Cliven Bundy Releases Unbelievably Surreal Ad With a “Black Friend”

So weird it wraps around
Wingnuts • Views: 31,951

YouTube

You really aren’t going to believe this one, folks.

“I hear you Cliven, and I believe you. A brave white man like you might be just what we need to put an end to this political correctness stuff in America today.”

“Don’t sell yourself short! You’re takin’ a chance just bein’ in my company!”

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy together with congressional candidate Kamau Bakari (IAP) challenge U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to come to Nevada and have the conversation about race that he claims Americans are too cowardly to have.

(h/t: Karoli.)

Jump to bottom

217 comments
1 Mattand  Oct 17, 2014 7:55:34pm

So, this is a clip from the Bizzaro world version of Blazing Saddles, right?

2 bratwurst  Oct 17, 2014 7:55:43pm

I can’t say for sure if Cliven Bundy is a coward (though I strongly suspect he is) but I can certainly say he is a thief and a racist.

3 jaunte  Oct 17, 2014 7:56:16pm

“A man oughta’ be able tuh espress hisself without bein’ called names.”

Pay up, you nameless deadbeat.

4 goddamnedfrank  Oct 17, 2014 7:56:31pm

Seriously, the “acting” is so bad, these guys can’t even make playing themselves seem authentic. This is just decades of cumulative cognitive damage playing out right in front of me, and it’s genuinely painful to witness.

5 Jenner7  Oct 17, 2014 7:56:58pm

um……

6 bill d  Oct 17, 2014 7:57:45pm

Those guys don’t seem crazy at all, I bet Holder is ascared.

//

7 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 7:58:15pm

Lenny Bruce as a suburban white guy at a party who finds himself talking to an African-American gentleman, and can only think of this to say: “So, how’s about that Joe Louis, heh? He’s a credit to his race.”

That was 50 freaking years ago. Get over it, old honkies!

8 Randall Gross  Oct 17, 2014 7:58:43pm

I picked a bad week to…

9 teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2014 7:59:20pm
10 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 8:00:01pm

Time to re-read the upbeat story of the heat death of the universe.

Much less depressing than this level of stupidity.

11 3eff Jeff  Oct 17, 2014 8:02:45pm

WTF did I just watch?

12 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:04:12pm

For cryin out loud, this is the cover of Archie Comics from years ago. Archie Comics. Years ago. Grow up, a-holes!

13 teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2014 8:04:16pm
14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 8:04:29pm

niterz…

15 Ogami Itto  Oct 17, 2014 8:04:46pm

re: #11 3eff Jeff

A cheap remake of “Blazing Saddles” without the satire or irony.

16 3eff Jeff  Oct 17, 2014 8:05:04pm

It’s going to take a lot of fire to burn that stupid out of my head. Fortunately, one of the stands at the farmer’s market had Trinidad Scorpions and Bhut Jolokias this week, and I’m making chili.

17 3eff Jeff  Oct 17, 2014 8:07:08pm

re: #15 Ogami Itto

So, run of the mill RWNJ sketch comedy?

18 gwangung  Oct 17, 2014 8:07:58pm

re: #17 3eff Jeff

So, run of the mill RWNJ sketch comedy?

Dammit, beat me to it…

19 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:14:33pm

“Mother fucker, even having the shining doesn’t make any difference with these motherfucking racist assholes. Fuck ‘em.”

20 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:22:08pm

Mother of mercy, did you see what that negro did to those poor white boys?

21 allegro  Oct 17, 2014 8:22:33pm

Someone needs a new scriptwriter bad. This is worse than the Saturday morning cowboys serials in the 50s that I thought were stupid and stilted when I was 5. Who the hell is their intended audience? (rhetorical question)

22 allegro  Oct 17, 2014 8:24:02pm

re: #20 De Kolta Chair

[Embedded image]

Mother of mercy, did you see what that negro did to those poor white boys?

Major upding for five of my most favorite people ever.

23 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:24:25pm

From the 1966 Japanese horror classic, The Face of Another

24 3eff Jeff  Oct 17, 2014 8:26:01pm

re: #21 allegro

Someone needs a new scriptwriter bad. This is worse than the Saturday morning cowboys serials in the 50s that I thought were stupid and stilted when I was 5. Who the hell is their intended audience? (rhetorical question)

He’s an American Independent Party Candidate. So, basically his target audience is the crowd that showed up and pointed guns at the BLM agents last spring, and I know it was a rhetorical question, but he really does need a new script writer, because this cropped up in the youtube comments:

Lewis Arthur
20 hours ago

Such a shame to see a family many of us travelled cross-country to support being reduced to this. The Forces are repositioning themselves and there will not be enough of us to stop the next move. “Boodha Bear” has served his Masters well… and the Bundy’s will ultimately pay the price. Another sad day in America soon to come. :(

25 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 17, 2014 8:26:57pm

re: #23 De Kolta Chair

I’m beginning to realize you’re an aficionado of old horror movies, or old movies in general. I’m but a worm at the feet of the master.

26 3eff Jeff  Oct 17, 2014 8:27:40pm

re: #20 De Kolta Chair

It’s an executive desk toy made of white boys!

27 Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2014 8:29:51pm

re: #23 De Kolta Chair
I’m reminded of an SF short story set in a medieval town where werewolves are real—and hated! A young man is unfortunately affected by the full moon. He meets a Jew who reassures him that he will help the young werewolf escape.

After all, he says, he knows a lot about two-legged animals himself!

28 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:31:19pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi

I’m beginning to realize you’re an aficionado of old horror movies, or old movies in general. I’m but a worm at the feet of the master.

There are so many Japanese horror flicks from the 50’s and 60’s, it’s hard to keep track. Everybody’s a neophyte in that regard, but thanks for the compliment.

29 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 8:36:30pm
30 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:37:15pm

re: #27 Sherlock Hound

I’m reminded of an SF short story set in a medieval town where werewolves are real—and hated! A young man is unfortunately affected by the full moon. He meets a Jew who reassures him that he will help the young werewolf escape.

After all, he says, he knows a lot about two-legged animals himself!

That sounds awfully familiar. Harlan Ellison, maybe? Don’t even think about logging off until you remember, carnsarnit!

31 bratwurst  Oct 17, 2014 8:37:34pm

re: #29 Lidane

Nothing more patriotic and presidential than refusing to serve your country!

32 Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2014 8:38:33pm

re: #30 De Kolta Chair

I wish I could remember, and yes it is something Ellison would write.

33 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 17, 2014 8:40:13pm

re: #29 Lidane

Fortunately, Carson will never have the opportunity to decline an invitation, so it’s win-win for everyone!

34 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:41:59pm

re: #32 Sherlock Hound

Until then….

“Spock, how long have you been living in Williamsburg?”

35 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 17, 2014 8:42:31pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi

I’m beginning to realize you’re an aficionado of old horror movies, or old movies in general. I’m but a worm at the feet of the master.

Circus Of Horrors

Youtube Video

36 Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2014 8:45:40pm

Chuck is having another huge meltdown on Twitter. It’s hilarious.

37 Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2014 8:46:08pm

re: #34 De Kolta Chair
I want to say it’s in “The Ultimate Werewolf” collection. Of course I likely read a library copy so I don’t have it.

38 Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2014 8:46:56pm
39 Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2014 8:47:31pm
40 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 17, 2014 8:47:35pm

Oh this is just so sad and unnecessary. Cop shoots non threatening dog…
Video

photographyisnotacrime.com

41 teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2014 8:49:27pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

UpChuck really is the American Right Wing Id in real life.

42 freetoken  Oct 17, 2014 8:52:03pm

Nothing quite like election season in America.

The candidates’ adverts are better than the Comedy Central.

43 austin_blue  Oct 17, 2014 8:53:26pm

An Indian elder sitting in Dan Snyder’s owner’s box, a black Congressional candidate supporting Kliven Kbundy, the world has gone topsy turvy, I tell ya.

Oh, and we are all going to die of a negro Eboli virus! From Africa! And they are going to fly into Mexico and cross our porous borders to infect us! Obambi wants us to die!

Sheesh. These gaspers have plumbed the depths of stupid and are still digging.

44 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Oct 17, 2014 8:55:19pm

That’s just two men telling like it is, so fuck you lazy blacks and white-guilt folks. It’s completely void of the traditional black-white structures. #realracist
//

45 austin_blue  Oct 17, 2014 8:57:59pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Chuck is having another huge meltdown on Twitter. It’s hilarious.

[Embedded content]

Louise Mensch has a bigger set than Chuck, doesn’t she? Good for her!

46 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 8:59:59pm

re: #37 Sherlock Hound

I want to say it’s in “The Ultimate Werewolf” collection. Of course I likely read a library copy so I don’t have it.

I can relate to that. A month or so ago I checked out DC’s Showcase Presents Strange Adventures from my local library branch and have re-upped it a couple of times. Bizarre and brilliant stuff.

When sales dip, slap a gorilla on the cover. Works every time.

47 austin_blue  Oct 17, 2014 9:02:33pm

re: #42 freetoken

Nothing quite like election season in America.

The candidates’ adverts are better than the Comedy Central.

It’s a Mencken moment isn’t it? The only reason they run such unadulterated shite is that it works. Focus group tested!

48 freetoken  Oct 17, 2014 9:05:03pm

Kamau Bakari has been a bit of a stealth politician, with very little internet presence.

He does have a website, which features the freaky video:
kamaubakari.com

Bakari did do an audio interview on a LV area internet show “Veterans In Politics”:

MP3 Audio

His portion starts at 31:45 in the audio.

His father came here in 1941. He’s a electrician/contractor.

It’s the usual Tea-politics, but the hosts makes it worth listening.

Gay marriage is “fluff” and a “distraction”.

49 freetoken  Oct 17, 2014 9:06:25pm

It’s sort of hilarious, really.

50 goddamnedfrank  Oct 17, 2014 9:07:35pm

This is going to be my standard response to CCJ from here on out.

51 austin_blue  Oct 17, 2014 9:11:47pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

This is going to be my standard response to CCJ from here on out.

Well, he is a blue footed boobie. And that would jerk his chain on so many levels. Good call!

52 freetoken  Oct 17, 2014 9:12:45pm

Seriously, some people just can’t leave the 18th century in the 18th century.

53 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 9:17:24pm

The meme that was prophesized right here at LGF days ago

And with that, I bid you all sweet dreams and a happy sharknadoebola.

54 Ace-o-aces  Oct 17, 2014 9:17:51pm
“Don’t sell yourself short! You’re takin’ a chance just bein’ in my company!”

Seriously, this place is teaming with crazed, racist militia types. You’d better get out of here as soon as we’re done.

55 Ace-o-aces  Oct 17, 2014 9:22:28pm

Check out the guy’s campaign website:
kamaubakari.com
Hello, 1994 called. They want their web design back.

56 Amory Blaine  Oct 17, 2014 9:22:56pm

Mary Burke didn’t do so well tonight in my opinion. There were several easy tee-ups to hammer Walker on his hypocrisy and she missed them i.e. inner city jobs. Walker promised 100 million to Milwaukee for an industrial corridor in the inner city right before the recall election that never materialized. He shut down the high speed trains by Talgo and broke the contract as well. Talgo had a train building facility in the inner city that was servicing the whole region.

*crickets. smdh

57 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 17, 2014 9:26:00pm

So, it seems Vlad the Invader released his pet tiger, which is now in China, seeking asylum and picking up some chicken nuggets on the way.
news.yahoo.com

58 austin_blue  Oct 17, 2014 9:29:56pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Mary Burke didn’t do so well tonight in my opinion. There were several easy tee-ups to hammer Walker on his hypocrisy and she missed them i.e. inner city jobs. Walker promised 100 million to Milwaukee for an industrial corridor in the inner city right before the recall election that never materialized. He shut down the high speed trains by Talgo and broke the contract as well. Talgo had a train building facility in the inner city that was servicing the whole region.

*crickets. smdh

Haven’t been following that race. Texas has been interesting/hilarious/horrific and has been taking up my attention. Dan Patrick as our next Lt. Gov (the real power in the State)? <shudder> He only flies on planes with two right wings.

Is Burke not swinging from her heels because of poor advice or a desire to be “fair”?

59 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 9:40:35pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Mary Burke didn’t do so well tonight in my opinion. There were several easy tee-ups to hammer Walker on his hypocrisy and she missed them i.e. inner city jobs. Walker promised 100 million to Milwaukee for an industrial corridor in the inner city right before the recall election that never materialized. He shut down the high speed trains by Talgo and broke the contract as well. Talgo had a train building facility in the inner city that was servicing the whole region.

*crickets. smdh

It is irritating that so few Democrats really hammer on the GOP, and the ones that do tell it like it is (e.g., Alan Grayson) tend to be seen as too flaky to make the charges stick.

60 Amory Blaine  Oct 17, 2014 9:42:20pm

re: #58 austin_blue

I know she’s getting poor advice, the (WDC) democrats completely lost control of this state.

61 Swift2991  Oct 17, 2014 9:47:27pm

Useful to know what the Independent American Party is.

en.wikipedia.org

Usual bunch of weirdos and crackpots.

62 austin_blue  Oct 17, 2014 9:52:52pm

re: #57 wheat-dogghazi

So, it seems Vlad the Invader released his pet tiger, which is now in China, seeking asylum and picking up some chicken nuggets on the way.
news.yahoo.com

That tiger better get his feline ass back over the Amur River or his dick is going to be in the Premier’s tea by Monday morning, increasing that Mandarin’s manly manliness.

63 freetoken  Oct 17, 2014 9:59:39pm

News like this:

Confederate Pomp Amid Burial of Slave’s Daughter

…. will certainly entice the historical revisionists to come out and play.

64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 17, 2014 10:29:08pm

I see the mentally-challenged racist smurf Chuck “Ebola of the mind” Johnson has been having a fit again.

65 austin_blue  Oct 17, 2014 10:32:06pm

re: #63 freetoken

News like this:

Confederate Pomp Amid Burial of Slave’s Daughter

…. will certainly entice the historical revisionists to come out and play.

It’s heritage, not hate. He was a good nigra. Now as for these modern day nigras with their E-boli and all, and our foreign-born communist secret muslim half-breed nigra president..

Well, they’s ain’t good nigras at all, are they?

//cracker parody off, but jeez, they still exist.

66 ausador  Oct 17, 2014 10:43:57pm

We will never ever get safety or support at twitter to listen to us again in regards to Chuck unfortunately. He has been smart enough to start including @support @safety in many of his tweets and then everyone who replies leaves them in.

Safety and support has received hundreds of tweets and retweets from Chuck or from his opposition just in the last couple of days. They probably have everything related to him on auto-ignore by now. :(

67 Floral Giraffe  Oct 17, 2014 10:55:53pm

re: #66 ausador

Well, he SHOULD be on auto-ignore, by everyone, IMHO!

68 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 17, 2014 10:57:03pm

And “Vlad” is still “Vladislav”.

69 goddamnedfrank  Oct 17, 2014 10:58:27pm

Can confirm that the new version of Safari in OS X Yosemite is noticeably more energy efficient, resulting in better battery life.

70 ausador  Oct 17, 2014 11:01:54pm

Twitter definitely rewards the worst behavior, on days when I mind my own business and just tweet/retweet stuff I find interesting my stats suck. However when I mix it up with Chuck and his followers, or get into debates with Ebola panic morans, or generally just spend my time getting into peoples faces over something stupid they said my stats soar.

Just a couple of hours of being confrontational and todays stats already beat all of yesterdays, it’s fucking sad really.

71 BeachDem  Oct 17, 2014 11:05:42pm

The only Bakari who is worth listening to is Bakari Sellers, our wonderful candidate for Lt. Gov.

Bakari Sellers

facebook.com

72 ausador  Oct 17, 2014 11:17:05pm

The South Korean outdoor concert tragedy claims another life. :(

73 ausador  Oct 17, 2014 11:28:07pm

Can anybody tell me what this is?
Black pop-up box with name?

Never seen this one on twitter before…

74 teleskiguy  Oct 17, 2014 11:32:55pm

Schwing!

75 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 17, 2014 11:41:41pm

“Officially anti-gay marriage but really pro-gay marriage”

That’s some tortured English.

76 BeachDem  Oct 17, 2014 11:43:03pm

re: #73 ausador

Don’t know what the popup is all about, but that person seems like a real charmer.

twitter.com

77 ausador  Oct 17, 2014 11:53:27pm

re: #76 BeachDem

Don’t know what the popup is all about, but that person seems like a real charmer.

twitter.com

Yeah I checked, pop-up was interactive enough that you could highlight and copy name, goes to that account. (via search)

Really very curious why when I clicked in the text box to reply to Chuck I got that pop-up instead of a cursor and expanded text box.

78 BeachDem  Oct 17, 2014 11:57:29pm

re: #77 ausador

I don’t have a twitter account, so can’t help you. I am skeeved out just reading people’s tweets (CCJ etc.) and don’t want to personally engage the psychopaths.

And why is Upchuck so obsessed with Mark Pryor’s ex-wife’s girlfriend (now there’s a mouthful) anyway—if such a person even exists? I swear, the little troll is totally loathsome.

79 ausador  Oct 18, 2014 12:00:43am

re: #78 BeachDem

I don’t have a twitter account, so can’t help you. I am skeeved out just reading people’s tweets (CCJ etc.) and don’t want to personally engage the psychopaths.

Understandable attitude given what usually gets shown here are examples of the worst of it. :(

80 teleskiguy  Oct 18, 2014 12:05:23am

re: #79 ausador

Understandable attitude given what usually gets shown here are examples of the worst of it. :(

Most people forget about “weird Twitter” of which @dril is master of their domain.

and

Both tweets are totally random picks of mine from the month of October.

81 ausador  Oct 18, 2014 12:08:10am

And I am out…goodnight all.

Later Lizards. :)

82 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 18, 2014 12:16:22am

83 goddamnedfrank  Oct 18, 2014 12:40:06am

re: #78 BeachDem

I don’t have a twitter account, so can’t help you. I am skeeved out just reading people’s tweets (CCJ etc.) and don’t want to personally engage the psychopaths.

And why is Upchuck so obsessed with Mark Pryor’s ex-wife’s girlfriend (now there’s a mouthful) anyway—if such a person even exists? I swear, the little troll is totally loathsome.

A ton of people on Twitter make what I consider to be a major mistake, following people they don’t like. First and foremost that’s just bad for the soul. Second, there’s only so much shit a person can pay attention to in their feed, when people follow thousands, or tens of thousands of users their feed just becomes a total fucking blur during waking hours, who can possibly keep up with all that shit? Third, TweetDeck has search columns, if you want to stare into the abyss for awhile you can put a shitty person in there without boosting their follow stats.

I’m obviously not a power user, there’s a quid pro quo that goes on with a lot of people on Twitter that I don’t take part in. You see this especially in a lot of the conservative accounts, where “followbacks” are seen as an important part of the etiquette, I presume to boost the apparent popularity of their point of view there. I’m like, fuck that. l’ll generally follow people who I know from here or who generally have something funny or insightful to say, but just following and agreeing with me isn’t worth making my feed more cluttered than it already is.

84 Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2014 12:58:21am

I put on Dinesh D’Souzas turd of a movie. In the Revolutionary War opening, all the flags look like they were purchased at Flags-R-Us. So authentic.

85 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 18, 2014 3:14:37am

re: #62 austin_blue

That tiger better get his feline ass back over the Amur River or his dick is going to be in the Premier’s tea by Monday morning, increasing that Mandarin’s manly manliness.

China is serious about its endangered species, like the Siberian tiger. Poaching holds the death penalty.

86 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 18, 2014 3:15:59am

re: #68 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

And “Vlad” is still “Vladislav”.

Well, OK. I forgot, but the nickname doesn’t work without it.

87 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 3:16:19am

re: #78 BeachDem

I don’t have a twitter account, so can’t help you. I am skeeved out just reading people’s tweets (CCJ etc.) and don’t want to personally engage the psychopaths.

And why is Upchuck so obsessed with Mark Pryor’s ex-wife’s girlfriend (now there’s a mouthful) anyway—if such a person even exists? I swear, the little troll is totally loathsome.

CCJ has tweeted and elsewhere mentioned his identification with “oppo”, opposition research. That’s Luntz-talk for digging out something to smear with. Looks like that’s his intent—getting his flying monkeys to lock on to a useful tool.

88 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 18, 2014 4:43:52am

A real timekiller.

clickerheroes.com

89 Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2014 4:45:46am

re: #88 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A real timekiller.

clickerheroes.com

I prefer something with more automation, something like Progress Quest.

90 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 18, 2014 4:56:44am

re: #89 Timothy Watson

It’s automated after a couple of levels, with the heroes farming gold for you while you’re absent and you barely needing to click much…

91 scottslemmons  Oct 18, 2014 5:18:45am

re: #37 Sherlock Hound

I want to say it’s in “The Ultimate Werewolf” collection. Of course I likely read a library copy so I don’t have it.

I don’t think I have my copy of that book anymore, but the Ellison story from that book was “Adrift Just Off the Islets of Langerhans,” which seems to be more of a “Wolf Man meets Frankenstein then goes on a quest for his soul” or something like that.

The story y’all are thinking of might be in that book anyway. The description sounds familiar, but not familiar enough…

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 5:19:29am

re: #88 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A real timekiller.

clickerheroes.com

Terra Battle been sucking up my time.

93 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 5:35:51am

Derp in the wire, on a week-old climate page.

94 PhillyPretzel  Oct 18, 2014 5:42:40am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

It sounds like someone has to have the last word no matter what it takes.

95 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 5:43:21am

re: #94 PhillyPretzel

It sounds like someone has to have the last word no matter what it takes.

A sock sacrificed in vain.

96 freetoken  Oct 18, 2014 5:49:23am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Derp in the wire, on a week-old climate page.

???

97 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 5:52:30am

re: #96 freetoken

???

Stealth downdinger on an Oct 13 page—has wandered around since.

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 4, 2008 at 5:32 pm
No. of comments posted: 35
No. of Pages posted: 0

98 Vogon Poetry  Oct 18, 2014 6:02:51am

Days after headlining a story about “magic” blood, NBC News is back at it with a claim that some people may be naturally immune to Ebola, or that they have antibodies protecting them from Ebola without ever getting the disease.

“Ebola-proof Blood”. There is so much speculation in the story that it just boggles the mind.

We know that there are black markets in parts of Africa where blood products from Ebola survivors is being sold. It’s in the hope that the blood might confer immunity or help those suffering from the disease survive it.

But it is anything but confirmed that it would work. It’s theoretical. There’s wishful thinking.

What is missing is hard data to confirm any of it. People who got blood products and survived could have survived with dumb fucking luck, not any particular treatment. So that is why careful studies have to be done to figure out what does or doesn’t work.

99 freetoken  Oct 18, 2014 6:09:21am

re: #98 Vogon Poetry

That’s why I linked to the Lancet letter the other day. It was pretty clear in the letter that the authors were pleading that immediate research be done into survivors who were asymptomatic but were definitely infected, in the hopes that their demonstrated survival would make them the ideal candidates to work on the frontlines with patients. But another benefit from such study would be to put to rest fanciful notions of immunity.

Instead, in the voodoo mindset of too big a swath of the public, there is magic.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2014 6:09:28am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

It has taken time out from down dinging to make a comment.

littlegreenfootballs.com

101 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 6:11:29am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

It has taken time out from down dinging to make a comment.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Don’t tell Targetpractice. It would crush him.

102 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 6:12:16am

re: #98 Vogon Poetry

Days after headlining a story about “magic” blood, NBC News is back at it with a claim that some people may be naturally immune to Ebola, or that they have antibodies protecting them from Ebola without ever getting the disease.

“Ebola-proof Blood”. There is so much speculation in the story that it just boggles the mind.

We know that there are black markets in parts of Africa where blood products from Ebola survivors is being sold. It’s in the hope that the blood might confer immunity or help those suffering from the disease survive it.

But it is anything but confirmed that it would work. It’s theoretical. There’s wishful thinking.

What is missing is hard data to confirm any of it. People who got blood products and survived could have survived with dumb fucking luck, not any particular treatment. So that is why careful studies have to be done to figure out what does or doesn’t work.

I always try to start my day with a back-alley innoculation.

103 Vogon Poetry  Oct 18, 2014 6:15:17am

re: #102 Decatur Deb

For me, it usually involves off-street coffee.

104 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:15:35am

105 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 18, 2014 6:16:59am

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Innoculum on de low low

106 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:17:17am

107 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:18:32am

re: #102 Decatur Deb

I always try to start my day with a back-alley innoculation.

because ———

has the author or anyone bothered to research to see if scientists have already worked that one out?

108 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 6:18:33am

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded image]

Text should include ‘imprisoned’, maybe drop ‘shunned’.

109 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:19:21am

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Text should include ‘imprisoned’, maybe drop ‘shunned’.

Not mine, but I agree with imprisoned. A more modern word for shunned —as it is a big deal for some people.

maybe “disowned”

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2014 6:19:58am

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

111 Vogon Poetry  Oct 18, 2014 6:20:36am

So, more leaks/information from the Darren Wilson files. Investigators apparently found Brown’s blood inside the police car, and that Wilson shot and hit Brown in the arm while in the car.

Wilson told investigators he was trying to leave his car when Brown shoved him back in, The Times reported Friday night.
Once in, Brown pinned him in his car and tried to get his gun, which made him fear for his safety, the newspaper reported, citing unnamed government officials familiar with the federal civil rights case.

The officer told authorities that Brown hit him and scratched him repeatedly, leaving bruises on his face and neck, according to The Times.

FBI forensic tests showed the gun was fired twice in the car, with one bullet hitting Brown’s arm while the second one missed, the newspaper said.

His account did not include an explanation on why he shot at Brown even after they got out of the car, according to The Times. A preliminary autopsy showed the teen was shot at least six times, including twice in the head.
Separate federal and local investigations are still ongoing, but the government officials said the evidence so far does not indicate that the officer violated any civil rights, The Times reported.

Of course, all this is rather self-serving considering that he has to claim he feared for his life in order to show that the shooting was justified. That’s even though there was little reason for him to have stopped Brown in the first place - walking in the street isn’t enough, unless the PD considers harassing blacks to be its top priority (and all the statistics about the FPD shows that it was).

It still doesn’t explain why Wilson went for his gun in the first place - and the order of events still doesn’t quite make sense. Why would Brown reach into the car in the first place.

But these reports all make the indictment of Wilson more unlikely.

112 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:21:01am
113 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 6:21:08am

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

because ———

Because a type mismatch or HIV is more fun than Ebola.

114 bill d  Oct 18, 2014 6:23:00am

Top of the morning to the finest folks on the internets.

115 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:24:26am
116 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:27:04am
117 A Mom Anon  Oct 18, 2014 6:27:08am

re: #99 freetoken

Does this have to do with reports that the doctor who was taken to Emory has given blood to a couple other people and they survived? I cannot bring myself to read anymore derp about this whole thing. You know, if they can spend hours and hours covering this, there’s no excuse for not going in depth and having actual virologists, immunologists and other scientists explain this to people without a bunch of interruptions for media morans.

Have a great weekend lizards. I’m going to be going through my house room by room and pulling out things to sell in a yard sale. I’ve done the basement, garage, master bedroom and dining room so far. Ack. Depressing. BBL.

118 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:28:59am
119 Vogon Poetry  Oct 18, 2014 6:29:16am

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

The GOP and right wingers try to go through contortions to claim that they didn’t cut spending (it was the sequester that Obama suggested), even though they agreed with the outcome and touted all the cuts, which is something Democrats didn’t).

They ignore that the Surgeon General is still awaiting confirmation (they claim that we have an interim SG, ignoring that a carryover/caretaker doesn’t carry the same weight).

They ignore that the same Congress members complaining about Obama’s decisions, and refusal to institute travel bans, are the same members who are anti-science, are creationists, and otherwise shun science and logic and the opinions of experts in their fields, and instead proffer their opinions as superior to the experts.

Experts say travel bans are a bad idea, and even the right wing’s own health experts note this - instead offering that there’s a psychological benefit to the bans (it makes us feel safe - rather than actually making us safe). It’s a false sense of security, when the only way to stop the spread of Ebola is to stop the outbreak in West Africa, which takes a lot more resources than we’re putting in (and for which the GOP had delayed for weeks, and had initially cut the President’s request to boot).

120 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 6:30:15am

re: #117 A Mom Anon

Does this have to do with reports that the doctor who was taken to Emory has given blood to a couple other people and they survived? I cannot bring myself to read anymore derp about this whole thing. You know, if they can spend hours and hours covering this, there’s no excuse for not going in depth and having actual virologists, immunologists and other scientists explain this to people without a bunch of interruptions for media morans.

Have a great weekend lizards. I’m going to be going through my house room by room and pulling out things to sell in a yard sale. I’ve done the basement, garage, master bedroom and dining room so far. Ack. Depressing. BBL.

The docs (real docs) have been trying that here and in Africa. There seems to be a totally different black market folk medicine thing going on.

121 Vogon Poetry  Oct 18, 2014 6:30:25am

re: #117 A Mom Anon

Dr. Brantley has donated blood in the hopes that experts might be able to use that as a treatment for others. It’s called convalescent serum therapy, but it’s unclear whether it has worked (and it will only work when the victim is type-matched to Brantly’s blood).

122 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:30:58am

I have new newest outrage —be prepared to be shocked:

123 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 6:32:06am

re: #119 Vogon Poetry

The GOP and right wingers try to go through contortions to claim that they didn’t cut spending (it was the sequester that Obama suggested), even though they agreed with the outcome and touted all the cuts, which is something Democrats didn’t).

They ignore that the Surgeon General is still awaiting confirmation (they claim that we have an interim SG, ignoring that a carryover/caretaker doesn’t carry the same weight).

They ignore that the same Congress members complaining about Obama’s decisions, and refusal to institute travel bans, are the same members who are anti-science, are creationists, and otherwise shun science and logic and the opinions of experts in their fields, and instead proffer their opinions as superior to the experts.

Experts say travel bans are a bad idea, and even the right wing’s own health experts note this - instead offering that there’s a psychological benefit to the bans (it makes us feel safe - rather than actually making us safe). It’s a false sense of security, when the only way to stop the spread of Ebola is to stop the outbreak in West Africa, which takes a lot more resources than we’re putting in (and for which the GOP had delayed for weeks, and had initially cut the President’s request to boot).

Ah say. You trying to prevent an epidemic or win an election, boy? Get your priorities in order.

124 Decatur Deb  Oct 18, 2014 6:34:57am

Off to pedal the hamster bike, then to politic at an oldfart cookout. BBL.

125 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:52:05am

126 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:56:37am
127 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 6:58:04am

128 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:02:29am

bbl

129 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 18, 2014 7:17:10am
130 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 18, 2014 7:26:39am

Hurricane Ana just teasin us so far.

Where I live its pretty dry, so having a daylong rain will be nice.

131 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:38:29am
132 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:43:50am
133 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:46:07am

My hubby is one of those people who jumps out of bed and immediately starts accomplishing things. Work, chores, errands, etc.

It’s 9:45 where I am. He has gone to the store, the dry cleaners and put away laundry, eaten breakfast, walked the dogs and is now cleaning up one of the rooms.

I’ve had two cups of coffee.

134 Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2014 7:48:19am
135 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:48:23am
136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2014 7:51:19am

re: #134 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Wondering if CCJ still thinks Klain worked for Richard Nixon…

137 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 7:51:26am

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

Not so, says the Washington Post:

Generally, Congress gave the NIH about what the president requested — sometimes more, sometimes less. In 2013, for instance, Congress gave the NIH more than what the White House had requested, but then $1.5 billion was taken away by sequestration.

Whose idea was sequestration? It was originally a White House proposal, designed to force Congress to either swallow painful cuts or boost taxes. The law mandating sequestration passed on a bipartisan vote — and then Republicans embraced it even more strongly when they could not reach a grand budget deal with President Obama.

For fiscal year 2015, the documents show, it was the Obama White House that proposed to cut the NIH’s budget from the previous year. Moreover, we should note that President George W. Bush, a Republican, is responsible for significantly boosting NIH’s funding in the early years of his presidency.

The high point for the Obama administration’s request for NIH funding was in 2011, when the White House was seeking a budget fight with Republicans who had just taken control of the House. (No surprise that’s also the year that the DCCC chooses to highlight a budget vote.)

SNIP

The Pinocchio Test

On many levels, this line of attack is absurd.

Obama’s Republican predecessor oversaw big increases in public-health sector spending, and both Democrats and Republicans in recent years have broadly supported efforts to rein in federal spending. Sequestration resulted from a bipartisan agreement. In some years, Congress has allocated more money for NIH and CDC than the Obama administration requested. Meanwhile, contrary to the suggestion of the DCCC ad, there never was a specific vote on funding to prevent Ebola.

There’s no doubt that spending has been cut, or at least failed to keep pace with inflation, but the fingerprints of both parties are on the knives. This blame game earns Four Pinocchios.

(Bolding in original.) Four Pinocchios is the Post’s harshest rating, it means that the thing earning was a real whopper of a lie.

138 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:51:42am
139 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:52:44am

Who is responsible for sequestration?

140 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 7:53:17am

Why don’t we have a Surgeon General?

141 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 7:54:41am

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

Who is responsible for sequestration?

Both parties.

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 7:56:29am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Both parties.

As far as that goes, I’ll agree. The fun part is that the Democrats viewed it as “Giving them enough rope” and so far it has worked out that way…

143 Sionainn  Oct 18, 2014 8:00:05am

I had to go back and look at my sample ballot just to make sure this wasn’t my district. Whew! It wasn’t. How embarrassing for Nevadans.

144 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 18, 2014 8:01:38am

Sometimes you have to turn something upside down for people to understand the real impact…

In This Film’s Topsy-Turvy World, The Gay Majority Persecutes Straights
Video

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 18, 2014 8:01:54am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Both parties.

Give us what we want or the dog gets it.
////

146 Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2014 8:03:03am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Both parties.

That’s not true. The sequestration was entirely due to the GOP’s government shutdown, as I’m sure you know. It would not exist otherwise. It was Republican legislation, period.

147 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 18, 2014 8:04:25am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Both parties.

LOL.

148 Kid A  Oct 18, 2014 8:05:27am

Shot last night.

149 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 18, 2014 8:05:34am

re: #146 Charles Johnson

re: #142 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

From where I sit it looks like a bluff was presented (deficit hawk sequester) and called (by the Dems and admin) A different tactic by either side would have prevented it.

150 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 18, 2014 8:05:37am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

The Best Part of Waking Up…… is Folbola in your Cup.

RBS

151 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 18, 2014 8:06:41am

re: #148 Kid A

Hey look, a really big Man Sandwich.

152 Kid A  Oct 18, 2014 8:06:43am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Both parties.

It’s way too early in the morning for this shit.

153 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:06:55am

Projection?

154 Kid A  Oct 18, 2014 8:09:06am

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

Aaaaand man with dyed blonde eyebrows calls who psycho again?

155 Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2014 8:09:56am
156 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:10:44am

George Will is never going to stray from the party line, is he?

157 allegro  Oct 18, 2014 8:10:47am

re: #149 Rightwingconspirator

From where I sit it looks like a bluff was presented (deficit hawk sequester) and called (by the Dems and admin) A different tactic by either side would have prevented it.

What could the Dems have done to result in a better outcome?

158 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 8:12:50am

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

George Will is never going to stray from the party line, is he?

Mr. Will makes our DF look like a radical pinko.

159 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 8:13:40am

Another useful point the WaPo article makes is that funding for the NIH went up greatly from the levels of the 1990’s in George W. Bush’s first term. Think what you will of him generally, but the anthrax letters after 9/11 caused Bush to give the agency greatly increased funding:

In the specific case of the NIH branch that deals with infectious diseases, funding jumped from $1.8 billion in 2000 to $4.3 billion in 2004 — but funding has been flat since then. Funding in 2014 was again $4.3 billion. So that’s effectively a cut over time.

So simply blaming Republicans isn’t really useful in the case of the NIH. My biggest beef with this line of Democratic attack is the same one I have with gun nuts attacking federal agencies for ammo purchases or FEMA for buying long-term storable food rations:

Such attacks make ordinary political and governmental actions into some kind of atrocity. It is normal and acceptable for the Congress to wrangle over the budget with the White House, and sometimes budgetary pressure is the only weapon the House has. Likewise, it is normal for government agencies to buy in bulk and with multi-year contracts those supplies they need to fulfill their duties.

I wish people knew more about how the government worked so that they’d stop falling for these absurd attack ads.

160 allegro  Oct 18, 2014 8:13:59am

re: #146 Charles Johnson

That’s not true. The sequestration was entirely due to the GOP’s government shutdown, as I’m sure you know. It would not exist otherwise. It was Republican legislation, period.

Sounds like the Zimmerman-Wilson defense. They start the problem, escalate it, and when it reaches it’s natural conclusion scream “nuh uh! Not me! I didn’t do it! He did it! Not my fault! I AM INNOCENT!”

161 Varek Raith  Oct 18, 2014 8:14:08am

Hello.

162 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 18, 2014 8:15:24am

Pointing out reality is a ‘Democratic attack.’

163 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 18, 2014 8:15:50am

Lets say the NIH and CDC had gotten more money. Maybe we would still be exactly where we are with Ebola and advanced elsewhere, like enterovirus D68, or Crohns or the flu, a lifetime single shot rather than trivalent annual. Am Ebola cure of vaccine? How close are they to that? Not terribly, unless safety protocols are drastically reduced. .

bbc.com

The US, UK and Canada are testing different kinds of vaccine in controlled clinical trials.

The aim is to have 20,000 doses that could be used in West Africa by early next year.
Normally it would take years of human trials before a completely new vaccine was approved for use.

Partisan politics makes for speculations that adhere to political moments. Take away the election and Ebola and the view of NIH calms greatly.

164 ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2014 8:15:57am

When I logged in about 40 minutes ago I saw the image of the blue footed booby above associated with everyone’s favorite internet journalist boob and thought I’d create this ‘shop just to kick off the weekend with a fun image.

The All Too Common Blue-Footed Redneck Boobie Tweeting

By all means click on it for full effect!

165 Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2014 8:17:35am

Morning wingnut propaganda time.

166 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 8:18:38am

i haven’t seen it yet, only trailers and reviews, but it looks as if Brad Pitt has given me a reason to forgive him for that execrable garbage of “Inglourious Basterds”. It’s called “Fury” and it stars, even more than him or Shia LeBeouf, an M4A3E8 & a Panzerkampfwagon VI E (Tiger 131 from the Bovington Tank Museum, the only working Tiger in the world). More reality in a minute of this look at the last weeks of WWII than in all of QT’s dreck. I’m looking forward to this one coming to my small town theater and that’s a rare thing.

167 Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2014 8:18:38am
168 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 18, 2014 8:18:51am

In lighter news:

more:
Giant Butt Plug in Center of Paris Deflated by Prudish Vandals

169 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 8:19:55am

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

Projection?

Something like that. But this is the same man who wasn’t satisfied with putting up the Trump Tower as the 2nd tallest building Chicago, he had to put his name on its side in letters 20 feet high.

170 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 18, 2014 8:20:23am

re: #166 William Barnett-Lewis

Seeing that tomorrow at the Hollywood Arclight. LWC and I plan to Page a review.

171 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 18, 2014 8:20:41am

re: #167 Charles Johnson

That’s a Democratic ATTACK!

172 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 18, 2014 8:22:15am

re: #166 William Barnett-Lewis

Apparently, the person who served as a consultant on the film, when first hearing that Brad Pitt was involved, said “Who is Brad Pitt?” lol

173 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 18, 2014 8:23:33am

Happy caturday, off to the Huntington library for the orchid show. (Dragon_Lady is a judge!)

174 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:25:30am

I’ve been seeing this word “decolonization” for a little while. I”m too old to understand what it is meant to represent. As my understanding of colonization relates to the British Empire.

175 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:26:49am

re: #164 ObserverArt

When I logged in about an 40 minutes ago I saw the image of blue footed booby above associated with everyone’s favorite internet journalist boob and thought I’d create this ‘shop just to kick off the weekend with a fun image.

The All Too Common Blue-Footed Redneck Boobie Tweeting

By all means click on it for full effect!

I saw that graphic with the bird only. It had a fart reference attached to it.

176 Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2014 8:26:58am

It’s a simple fact- the sequester is a direct result of Republican obstructionism. Denying this is deceptive, and pointless, because the truth is obvious to anyone who knows the facts.

177 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 18, 2014 8:28:08am

New Poll

Is Obama:

The Worst President Ever?
Really Really Horrible?
Worst in the last 6,000 years?
Ron Paul?

178 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:28:36am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

It’s a simple fact- the sequester is a direct result of Republican obstructionism. Denying this is deceptive, and pointless, because the truth is obvious to anyone who knows the facts.

As Rachel Maddow pointed-out some time ago, we are working with two sets of facts.

179 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 8:29:11am

re: #166 William Barnett-Lewis

i haven’t seen it yet, only trailers and reviews, but it looks as if Brad Pitt has given me a reason to forgive him for that execrable garbage of “Inglourious Basterds”. It’s called “Fury” and it stars, even more than him or Shia LeBeouf, an M4A3E8 & a Panzerkampfwagon VI E (Tiger 131 from the Bovington Tank Museum, the only working Tiger in the world). More reality in a minute of this look at the last weeks of WWII than in all of QT’s dreck. I’m looking forward to this one coming to my small town theater and that’s a rare thing.

I’m looking forward to it as well, as I’m sure you’ve guessed. The movie shows several M4A3E8s*, and so required cooperation of a number of groups of collectors and reenactors. A complex undertaking that looks very good.

*: The ‘Easy Eight’ nickname was a postwar invention, and the US Army did not call M4 series tanks ‘Shermans’ during the Second World War, nor did the Red Army (which received over 2000 M4A2 (76)s via Lend Lease in 1944-45) use that name. It was the British who called it the Sherman.

180 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:31:08am
181 Belafon  Oct 18, 2014 8:32:15am

re: #157 allegro

Nothing. Democrats had been doing every other tactic for years, which ultimately led to the shutdown because the republicans believed they could get one more concession. But there were no more to give, and the republicans had to be stopped.

182 ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2014 8:33:33am

re: #175 FemNaziBitch

I saw that graphic with the bird only. It had a fart reference attached to it.

Yeah, that was the one. I changed it a bit!

183 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 8:33:56am

re: #180 FemNaziBitch

meerkitties!!!

Meerkats aren’t as aggressive as Honey Badgers (and they actually do give a shit) but they rival the Honey Badger for boldness. I’ve seen footage of a Meerkat mob driving off a deadly venomous yellow cobra.

184 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:36:28am

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Meerkats aren’t as aggressive as Honey Badgers (and they actually do give a shit) but they rival the Honey Badger for boldness. I’ve seen footage of a Meerkat mob driving off a deadly venomous yellow cobra.

Cute and worth of respect!

185 FemNaziBitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:36:33am

bbl

186 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 8:37:45am

The truly annoying part is that the 2013 shutdown could have been avoided if John Boehner and Mitch McConnell had better created a message of the Augest break and not simply assumed Ted Cruz and company would fall into line. Cruz’s mule-headedness was under-appreciated, to dire effect.

187 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 18, 2014 8:43:45am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

The truly annoying part is that the 2013 shutdown could have been avoided if John Boehner and Mitch McConnell had better created a message of the Augest break and not simply assumed Ted Cruz and company would fall into line. Cruz’s mule-headedness was under-appreciated, to dire effect. spines.

fixorated.

Seriously, your “rah, team, go” act is tiresome.

188 wrenchwitch  Oct 18, 2014 8:44:31am

Re: the lovely ad at the top:

At about 1:25 into it, the horse is taking a dump. They cut away after four seconds, but the tail goes up and stays there. That can only mean one thing.

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 8:46:29am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

I’m looking forward to it as well, as I’m sure you’ve guessed. The movie shows several M4A3E8s*, and so required cooperation of a number of groups of collectors and reenactors. A complex undertaking that looks very good.

*: The ‘Easy Eight’ nickname was a postwar invention, and the US Army did not call M4 series tanks ‘Shermans’ during the Second World War, nor did the Red Army (which received over 2000 M4A2 (76)s via Lend Lease in 1944-45) use that name. It was the British who called it the Sherman.

Agreed regarding names. The E8, with an acceptable gun, wider suspension and wet ammo storage was the best tank to see real use in the war (The T-26/M-26 was far superior but thanks to that over rated bastard Patton, almost none made it to Europe prior to VE Day…)

Wardaddy’s crew is supposed to have started together in North Africa - that’s difficult historically for a number of reasons and they’d be looking at a minimum of 5 tank changes just because of the differences in tanks from Feb 1943 to Apr 1945. Still, forget Africa & say Normandy instead and it’s closer to historical than almost everything from Hollyweird and a 1000x better than anything that hack Tarantino has ever filmed.

I swear, watching a war movie about tanks as a tanker is much worse than watching a movie about hacking while knowing computers…

At least they try to show the moral ambiguity of April 1945…

190 Belafon  Oct 18, 2014 8:47:19am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Considering that they didn’t want the shutdown, they would have needed to lead their party.

191 Kid A  Oct 18, 2014 8:48:40am

SCOTUS affirms Texas voter ID law.
nytimes.com

192 ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2014 8:49:36am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

The truly annoying part is that the 2013 shutdown could have been avoided if John Boehner and Mitch McConnell had better created a message of the Augest break and not simply assumed Ted Cruz and company would fall into line. Cruz’s mule-headedness was under-appreciated, to dire effect.

I have to disagree Dark. Boehnhead and McConnman both were hoping to mine TeaParty cred and fake acting like real Republicans in the background hoping to placate two niches of the party. And both have never had the guts to stop Cruz and the Gang ever.

You may not want to keep ignoring the cold hard reality of the current GOP Dark, but they are so fractured and scared of some of their own members the same time they fear the voting public they have become paralyzed by their own stupidity.

I for one refuse to consider either Boehnhead or McConnman as leaders of anything. To use the term is a disservice to truly great leaders of the House or Senate Party groups that used to reside in Washington only 10 to 20 years ago.

History is not going to be kind to either.

193 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 8:50:21am

re: #191 Kid A

SCOTUS affirms Texas voter ID law.
nytimes.com

Saw that. Utterly incomprehensible given they stayed the Wisconsin law. They need to f***ing make up their minds one way or the f***ing other.

194 allegro  Oct 18, 2014 8:53:47am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

The truly annoying part is that the 2013 shutdown could have been avoided if John Boehner and Mitch McConnell had better created a message of the Augest break and not simply assumed Ted Cruz and company would fall into line. Cruz’s mule-headedness was under-appreciated, to dire effect.

One hopes that one day you and your party will realize that the problem is not creating a better message but dealing with the really ugly underlying policies and Randian attitudes.

195 Varek Raith  Oct 18, 2014 8:56:11am

Dear GOP,
You don’t have a ‘messaging’ problem.
You have a ‘our message sucks’ problem.
No matter how much you polish it, a turd is still a turd.

196 Kid A  Oct 18, 2014 8:59:42am

re: #195 Varek Raith

Ike weeps.

197 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 9:00:00am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

Agreed regarding names. The E8, with an acceptable gun, wider suspension and wet ammo storage was the best tank to see real use in the war (The T-26/M-26 was far superior but thanks to that over rated bastard Patton, almost none made it to Europe prior to VE Day…)

Wardaddy’s crew is supposed to have started together in North Africa - that’s difficult historically for a number of reasons and they’d be looking at a minimum of 5 tank changes just because of the differences in tanks from Feb 1943 to Apr 1945. Still, forget Africa & say Normandy instead and it’s closer to historical than almost everything from Hollyweird and a 1000x better than anything that hack Tarantino has ever filmed.

I swear, watching a war movie about tanks as a tanker is much worse than watching a movie about hacking while knowing computers…

At least they try to show the moral ambiguity of April 1945…

It wasn’t Patton who was the big roadblock on the M26 Pershing (that tank was indeed named by the US Army), it was the head of Army Ground Forces, Gen. Lesley McNair. McNair thought the Pershing unneeded and held it up in ways Patton could not have done. It’s questionable if the M26 would have seen any WWII action had McNair not been killed by an Allied carpet bombing attack in July of 1944, and in that death McNair because one of the highest ranking victims of a ‘friendly fire’ incident in US Military history.

198 ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2014 9:05:50am

re: #192 ObserverArt

Thanks for the upding on this one Charles. It means a lot to me.

People need to stop playing freaking party and start to look at reality before this country gets screwed beyond repair and becomes another former great nation that lost its way.

As I said in the comment, not many politicians today deserve to be considered leaders and I’ll add another old classic word that no longer works: statesmen.

Until people start to vote for what is right over ideology and begin to get real we will continue to get the political clown show that goes right along with the media and citizens clowns shows.

Truly representative government of the people. The politicians are a reflection of the public.

199 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 9:05:58am

re: #190 Belafon

Considering that they didn’t want the shutdown, they would have needed to lead their party.

Their failing was not realizing that until Cruz had already built up momentum. Had they made sure their plan and the reasons for it were made clear at the start and then reinforced with a milder anti-Obama angle, they likely could have headed Cruz off at Teabag-String Pass*.

*: Teabag-String Pass is named because it has chaotic twists and turns, like the string of a teabag still in its pouch. The pass leads from Holy-Roller Plateau to Galt’s Gulch.

200 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 9:07:00am

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of McNair being a problem while it’s well documented that Patton did not want the shipping volume used for an unknown tank vs the Sherman’s he didn’t realize would be such total Zippos when facing Panthers and upgunned Pzkpw IV’s. Stupid twit. Most over rated US General of WWII…

201 ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2014 9:11:37am

re: #200 William Barnett-Lewis

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of McNair being a problem while it’s well documented that Patton did not want the shipping volume used for an unknown tank vs the Sherman’s he didn’t realize would be such total Zippos when facing Panthers and upgunned Pzkpw IV’s. Stupid twit. Most over rated US General of WWII…

But damn…he sure looked good in his own personal style uniform!

Wait. What is wrong about that sentence I wrote? Hmmm. Oh yeah…uniform means a part of equal larger group. Patton couldn’t have that now could he?

And sadly it worked. Look how he is portrayed. We Americans do like to buy the picture.

202 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 9:15:44am

re: #111 Vogon Poetry

So, more leaks/information from the Darren Wilson files. Investigators apparently found Brown’s blood inside the police car, and that Wilson shot and hit Brown in the arm while in the car.

Of course, all this is rather self-serving considering that he has to claim he feared for his life in order to show that the shooting was justified. That’s even though there was little reason for him to have stopped Brown in the first place - walking in the street isn’t enough, unless the PD considers harassing blacks to be its top priority (and all the statistics about the FPD shows that it was).

It still doesn’t explain why Wilson went for his gun in the first place - and the order of events still doesn’t quite make sense. Why would Brown reach into the car in the first place.

But these reports all make the indictment of Wilson more unlikely.

The New York Times is claiming to have gotten Wilson’s account of the shooting via a leak. In its words:

The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times. Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.

I agree with Lawhawk that this account is self-serving ad fails to answer important questions. But what what strikes me is that the officials who leaked it are said to have gotten the information via briefing on the federal civil rights investigation. Why would federal officials leak this?

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 18, 2014 9:18:08am

re: #201 ObserverArt

But damn…he sure looked good in his own personal style uniform!

Wait. What is wrong about that sentence I wrote? Hmmm. Oh yeah…uniform means a part of equal larger group. Patton couldn’t have that now could he?

And sadly it worked. Look how he is portrayed. We Americans do like to buy the picture.

Heh.

Did some online searching. Apparently McNair was as big a problem as Patton but more because he was one of the idiots behind the Tank Destroyer doctrine that really rat f***ed the US Army during WWII.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2014 9:21:37am
205 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 9:22:26am

re: #200 William Barnett-Lewis

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of McNair being a problem while it’s well documented that Patton did not want the shipping volume used for an unknown tank vs the Sherman’s he didn’t realize would be such total Zippos when facing Panthers and upgunned Pzkpw IV’s. Stupid twit. Most over rated US General of WWII…

Suggested reading: Osprey New Vanguard #35: M26/M46 Pershing Tank, 1943-1953. Author: Steven Zaloga

The Osprey book talks a great deal about the controversy over US tank and tank-destroyer policy in 1943-44 and McNair’s role in it and in my mind makes clear he was the roadblock, not Patton. Which is not to say Patton’s contribution to the Pershing was positive, but it was not he that caused its delays.

206 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 18, 2014 9:24:46am
207 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 18, 2014 9:31:36am

Arrgh. At Starbucks enjoying a coffee drink, and a couple of people at the next table are mindlessly regurgitating every Ebola rumor and theory like mad. I may have to move, or end up screaming in frustration at them.

No, I’m not always as much of a mentor as I should be.

208 Alyosha  Oct 18, 2014 9:37:29am

re: #207 RealityBasedEbola

Arrgh. At Starbucks enjoying a coffee drink, and a couple of people at the next table are mindlessly regurgitating every Ebola rumor and theory like mad. I may have to move, or end up screaming in frustration at them.

No, I’m not always as much of a mentor as I should be.

People are combining Ebola and ISIL memes on this side of the pond. Every lunch hour in the break room is a quandary: do I correct their misapprehensions and earn the scorn of people whose cooperation I require, or do I keep silently reading LGF comments?

Unfortunately, the second option ends up suggesting the first.

209 ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2014 9:37:48am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

Chuck Todd Takes A Beating In Facebook Chat

I wonder if Todd will make it one full year as MTP host?

I get the feeling he won’t. Damn, he can be lame, and he has no feel for why many people see him that way.

He thinks he can say stupid stuff and it won’t bite him in the ass because he has rep in DC and was picked by Tim Russert to be some kind of supper wonk.

It’s no wonder he has shrinking hair issues. His head is getting too big for the hair!

And with that…I’mma go rake up some leaves that have fallen in my yard from neighboring trees, maybe trim some box yews out front and lay down some mulch. See you all later!

210 blah blah ad hominem mumbo jumbo.  Oct 18, 2014 9:40:54am

That has got to be a joke. No way it was meant to be serious.
I can understand a couple of yokels getting together, making a ridiculous ad with bad acting and a stupid script. However, I refuse to believe they played it back and thought, “Wow. Pretty %^&^%#@ good.”

211 ausador  Oct 18, 2014 9:42:20am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

I agree with Lawhawk that this account is self-serving ad fails to answer important questions. But what what strikes me is that the officials who leaked it are said to have gotten the information via briefing on the federal civil rights investigation. Why would federal officials leak this?

One possible reason came to mind last night…

212 wrenchwitch  Oct 18, 2014 9:47:22am

re: #210 I Stand With Big Sodomy!

That has got to be a joke. No way it was meant to be serious.
I can understand a couple of yokels getting together, making a ridiculous ad with bad acting and a stupid script. However, I refuse to believe they played it back and thought, “Wow. Pretty %^&^%#@ good.”

Especially this part:

re: #188 wrenchwitch

Re: the lovely ad at the top:

At about 1:25 into it, the horse is taking a dump. They cut away after four seconds, but the tail goes up and stays there. That can only mean one thing.

213 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 18, 2014 9:48:39am

Yes!! My favorite woodworking supply catalog just showed up. Lots of things I need that I didn’t even know existed minutes ago. I never heard of a negative rake scraper before, and now I’m not sure I can survive without one.

214 Vogon Poetry  Oct 18, 2014 9:48:48am

re: #146 Charles Johnson

That’s not true. The sequestration was entirely due to the GOP’s government shutdown, as I’m sure you know. It would not exist otherwise. It was Republican legislation, period.

Sequestration was an idea proposed by the President and adopted by Congress as a means to force Congress to adopt targeted cuts rather than across the board cuts for everything, defense included.

The GOP saw this as an opening to carry on and block the alternative targeted cuts, and now tout the benefit of cutting across the board. They saw the negative (across the board cuts) as a positive, since they’ve been going on for decades about excessive spending. The Democrats’ alternative was a mix of tax hikes and spending cuts, which is something every reputable economist would agree is the only way to reduce the long term deficit and even bring down annual debt.

The GOP refuses even the most modest of tax hikes, instead pushing the burden more and more on to those least able to afford it.

So, ultimately, it does fall on the GOP when it comes to spending cuts and reduced spending on research, health care, health policy, and regulatory oversight relating to public health. That, combined with their refusal to expand access to health insurance on both Obamacare and Medicaid expansion means that more people are going without even preventative care that can keep costs down over the long term than have been affected by Ebola worldwide - since the disease was first discovered in the 1970s - in Texas alone.

But the GOP wants to complain and blame the President for stepping up to fight Ebola over in Africa (and blocked and reduced the President’s initial request for weeks at a time)?

Sorry, but that isn’t cutting it. This is an anti-science, amoral political movement that still manages to confound people by baffling with BS.

215 Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2014 9:49:07am

re: #211 ausador

One possible reason came to mind last night…

[Embedded content]

I don’t understand that, and in any case the NYT said the leak came from the Civil Rights investigation.

216 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 18, 2014 9:55:02am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I don’t understand that, and in any case the NYT said the leak came from the Civil Rights investigation.

I agree with Lawhawk that this account is self-serving ad fails to answer important questions. But what what strikes me is that the officials who leaked it are said to have gotten the information via briefing on the federal civil rights investigation. Why would federal officials leak this?

Because not everyone in the federal government is interested in justice?

Let me show you my shocked face.

Edit: It also says “federal officials briefed on the investigation…” for all we know it could be some dipshit Congressperson.

217 ausador  Oct 18, 2014 10:11:04am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I don’t understand that, and in any case the NYT said the leak came from the Civil Rights investigation.

Seems as if someone wants to get more of the story out there, at least the part that deals with “justification.” You notice there is absolutely nothing about the officer firing at Michael Brown as he fled or when he turned. Just the “struggle in the car” complete with Michael’s blood on the gun.

I’ll be shocked if the Grand Jury returns an indictment, and if they don’t things are likely to get bad as people react. Looks to me as though the same type of people who have done such a great job of smearing Michael with targeted leaks are at it again.

This looks like nothing more than an attempt to bolster Officer Wilson’s side of the story. It tells his version of events right up to the point where his actions became possibly unlawful and then conveniently stops. :(


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh