In Which I Rant About America’s Totally Dysfunctional Gun Culture

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Ted Cruz calling blocked Surgeon General nominee Dr. Vivek Murthy an “anti-gun activist” is incredibly dishonest. Murthy advocates very minimal restrictions on guns because guns are used in more than 300,000 violent crimes against American citizens every single year. Murthy sees that as a public health problem, and he’s NOT WRONG. It is.

The fact is, looking at this as a public health issue is absolutely appropriate, and not “extreme” at all. The Republican Party and their NRA cohorts have pushed the debate about guns so far to the right, it’s utter insanity at this point. A nominee for Surgeon General proposes simple common sense measures to address the gun violence problem, and the right freaks out and blocks his nomination at a time when we need a strong voice for public health more than ever. It’s sick. Deeply sick.

This shit makes me crazy. America is incredibly dysfunctional on the gun issue and people are dying every day because we won’t face the monster we’ve created.

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469 comments
1 Vicious Piebola  Oct 19, 2014 6:08:27pm

Every time I Tweet this meme I get swarmed by batshit crazy Holocaust-coopting gunfuckers

2 Vicious Piebola  Oct 19, 2014 6:09:58pm

This morning some gunfucker told me THE NAZIS BREACHED THE MAGINOT LINE IN BELGIUM BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT HAD FEWER GUN OWNERS!!!1!! READ SOME FUCKING HISTORY LIBTARD!!!!!11!!

Yeah I do read actual FUCKING HISTORY not video games.

3 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:10:32pm

Why the NRA Is Blocking Obama’s Surgeon General Nominee | BillMoyers.com

The post of the surgeon general has been vacant since July and it looks likely to remain that way for some time thanks to a strident campaign led by the National Rifle Association and libertarian Senator Rand Paul against President Obama’s nominee, Dr. Vivek Murthy.

Murthy has medical and business degrees from Yale, works as an attending physician and instructor at Brigham and Women’s Hospital at Harvard Medical School and has founded several health businesses and nonprofits. He has also expressed support for limited gun safety measures like a ban on assault weapons, mandatory safety training and limits on ammunition and so the NRA has declared it will “score” his confirmation vote, putting pressure on Senate Democrats running tight re-election races in red states to block Murthy’s confirmation. As The New York Times reported, the White House is “recalibrating” its strategy towards Murthy’s nomination, meaning the Senate vote will either be delayed or never happen.

This isn’t the first time the NRA has held up a nominee: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives went without a director for seven years because of opposition from the gun lobby. But never before has the group set itself so strongly against a surgeon general nominee. So why now? The NRA said Murthy’s “blatant activism on behalf of gun control” attracted their attention.

But the gun lobby’s campaign against Murthy isn’t really about his record, or him at all. His positions on guns are hardly radical or even activist and his views are consistent with those of the majority of Americans. Polling indicates that the public is far more supportive of new gun control laws than members of Congress or, certainly, the NRA.

4 Vicious Piebola  Oct 19, 2014 6:12:18pm

These gunfuckers think THEY are the “Real Holocaust Victims” along with the fetus babbies

5 danarchy  Oct 19, 2014 6:13:20pm

keep in mind that the rules were changed to allow confirmations with a straight majority. It is completely fair to blame the NRA, but there are ~10 democrats who are also holding up this nomination.

6 Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2014 6:13:58pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Why the NRA Is Blocking Obama’s Surgeon General Nominee | BillMoyers.com

And that’s what it really comes down to, the NRA can’t have a high-placed government official like the Surgeon General calling attention to the level of gun violence in this country.

7 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:14:59pm

re: #5 danarchy

keep in mind that the rules were changed to allow confirmations with a straight majority. It is completely fair to blame the NRA, but there are ~10 democrats who are also holding up this nomination.

Yes, because they are from red states, so they’re terrified of the NRA’s influence and don’t want to oppose the NRA because they won’t be reelected. In other words, these Democrats are cowards.

8 sagehen  Oct 19, 2014 6:14:59pm

Walking Dead random comment

Click to Reveal

That priest’s collar looks… much cleaner than would seem likely for these conditions.

And his answers to the 3 questions don’t seem plausible.

9 Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2014 6:15:05pm

re: #5 danarchy

keep in mind that the rules were changed to allow confirmations with a straight majority. It is completely fair to blame the NRA, but there are ~10 democrats who are also holding up this nomination.

No, the filibuster exists for high-level appointments. I’m not sure if the Surgeon General qualifies, but if it does, then even with all Democrats supporting this nomination, they’d still need Republican votes to break a filibuster.

10 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:16:20pm

This is the kind of shit that happens when people let the Republican Party control houses of Congress.

11 sagehen  Oct 19, 2014 6:17:32pm

re: #8 sagehen

In fact,

Click to Reveal

I bet he’s not a priest at all. He got to the church a couple of days ago, found some clothes in a closet…

12 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:17:33pm

Yes, I’m pissed off about this. Watching Ted Cruz’s smug lies about Dr. Murthy really irritated me. This guy is absolutely despicable and needs to be defeated at every turn.

13 Testy Toad T  Oct 19, 2014 6:18:17pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Yes, because they are from red states, so they’re terrified of the NRA’s influence and don’t want to oppose the NRA because they won’t be reelected. In other words, these Democrats are cowards.

As if kowtowing to the NRA’s every whim would even matter. Their opponents will be endorsed by the NRA. Every one of them, every time, no matter what.

The NRA is a Republican advocacy group with a gun predilection, not the other way around.

14 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:19:08pm
15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2014 6:20:05pm

Rand Paul was the one who put the block on Dr. Murthy.

*spit*

16 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:21:00pm

Meanwhile…

17 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 6:22:18pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Yes, because they are from red states, so they’re terrified of the NRA’s influence and don’t want to oppose the NRA because they won’t be reelected. In other words, these Democrats are cowards.

Not cowards. If they lose their elections that means there’s one more red seat to contend with. And even though I disagree with the blue dog gun position, I do have to keep in mind they represent their constituents.

18 Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2014 6:22:26pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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And I imagine that, like ol’ Tailgunner Joe, most of Ted’s persona is an act. That he acts like an utter asshole because he knows it sells and thus helps his personal ambitions.

19 Testy Toad T  Oct 19, 2014 6:23:23pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

NI[CLANG]

20 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:24:51pm

re: #19 Testy Toad T

NI[CLANG]

Exactly. Filling in the blank isn’t hard.

21 sagehen  Oct 19, 2014 6:24:56pm

re: #17 SteveMcGazi

Not cowards. If they lose their elections that means there’s one more red seat to contend with. And even though I disagree with the blue dog gun position, I do have to keep in mind they represent their constituents.

And they need to keep in mind that the NRA is going to run ads against them no matter what. If they vote exactly how the NRA wants on every single thing every time all the time, the NRA will still accuse them of being anti-gun. Because they have a D by their name.

22 Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2014 6:25:51pm

re: #17 SteveMcGazi

Not cowards. If they lose their elections that means there’s one more red seat to contend with. And even though I disagree with the blue dog gun position, I do have to keep in mind they represent their constituents.

I’m not sure which is word: Democrats who have to vote like Republicans to remain in office or losing their seats to actual Republicans. I think the former is actually worse, as at least I can understand the Republicans making casting fucked-up votes.

23 Kragar  Oct 19, 2014 6:26:42pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

24 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 6:28:03pm

re: #21 sagehen

And they need to keep in mind that the NRA is going to run ads against them no matter what. If they vote exactly how the NRA wants on every single thing every time all the time, the NRA will still accuse them of being anti-gun. Because they have a D by their name.

Lawrence O’Donnell said it better than I did in one of his rewrites about Bob Nelson. Other liberals didn’t like him but most of the time he voted their way. A conservative D is still better than an R

25 Fundamentalist Youth Pastor  Oct 19, 2014 6:28:31pm

More Americans died from one Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle than died from the Benghazi uprising and ISIS and ebola COMBINED.
Just saying.

26 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 6:28:34pm

…unless you’re Ralph Nader

27 Testy Toad T  Oct 19, 2014 6:31:14pm

re: #21 sagehen

And they need to keep in mind that the NRA is going to run ads against them no matter what. If they vote exactly how the NRA wants on every single thing every time all the time, the NRA will still accuse them of being anti-gun. Because they have a D by their name.

Red-state Democrats who stand with the NRA aren’t cowards. They’re idiots.

Relevant distinction.

28 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:32:46pm

re: #21 sagehen

And they need to keep in mind that the NRA is going to run ads against them no matter what. If they vote exactly how the NRA wants on every single thing every time all the time, the NRA will still accuse them of being anti-gun. Because they have a D by their name.

Exactly - supporting NRA positions gets these red state Democrats exactly nothing, except a reputation as weasels more concerned about their reelections than principles.

29 Vicious Piebola  Oct 19, 2014 6:33:41pm

re: #25 Fundamentalist Youth Pastor

More Americans died from one Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle than died from the Benghazi uprising and ISIS and ebola COMBINED.
Just saying.

I am so stealing that & Tweeting it.

30 Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2014 6:35:33pm

re: #27 Testy Toad T

Red-state Democrats who stand with the NRA aren’t cowards. They’re idiots.

Relevant distinction.

Indeed, they’re damned either way. The NRA will find ways to spin them as “anti-gun,” even “scoring” votes that have little or no relevance to gun ownership.

31 Dark_Falcon  Oct 19, 2014 6:40:03pm

re: #2 Vicious Piebola

This morning some gunfucker told me THE NAZIS BREACHED THE MAGINOT LINE IN BELGIUM BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT HAD FEWER GUN OWNERS!!!1!! READ SOME FUCKING HISTORY LIBTARD!!!!!11!!

Yeah I do read actual FUCKING HISTORY not video games.

Historical ignorance of this sort makes me sick. Thanks for opposing it.

And with that I’m heading away to avoid ticking people off. Having praised Alouette for fighting a pet peeve of mine, I’m going to pull a Sir Robin. I’ll be back on a later thread.

32 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:41:07pm
33 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 6:45:52pm

re: #25 Fundamentalist Youth Pastor

More Americans died from one Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle than died from the Benghazi uprising and ISIS and ebola COMBINED.
Just saying.

Well said, Fundamentalist Youth Pastor. Tweeted.

34 Sionainn  Oct 19, 2014 6:55:12pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Yep. Nobody bitches about the amount of golfing Boehner does.

35 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 7:03:04pm
37 BongCrodny  Oct 19, 2014 7:03:26pm

Walking Dead:

Okay, that was pretty creepy.

38 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:06:53pm

Charles, thank you for this post.

The United States has a gun fetish problem.

39 BigPapa  Oct 19, 2014 7:07:14pm

No spoilers or I go all Rick Grimes.

Why is it whenever I see a wingnut say ‘LOL, did you see (Famous Wingut) school (Liberal Media Person)? It was teh awesome!’

It usually means the opposite.

40 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 7:07:57pm
41 Stanley Seabola  Oct 19, 2014 7:09:50pm

re: #29 Vicious Piebola

Add Ferguson next time. To fuck them up.

42 BigPapa  Oct 19, 2014 7:10:50pm

Ted Cruz is bald faced lying.

43 Stanley Seabola  Oct 19, 2014 7:11:26pm

re: #37 BongCrodny

Walking Dead:

Okay, that was pretty creepy.

gah I have TWO MORE HOURS

44 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 7:11:48pm

Toxic Ted

I’m just going to leave this here again; reuse as you will.

45 BigPapa  Oct 19, 2014 7:13:12pm

re: #43 Stanley Seabola

gah I have TWO MORE HOURS

Life is hard on The Rock.

46 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 7:13:22pm

re: #44 jaunte

It looks good on him.

47 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:13:29pm
48 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 7:14:06pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Snideley Whiplash Bola

49 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 19, 2014 7:16:02pm

re: #48 jaunte

Snideley Whiplash Bola

Thank you… I was trying to figure out what that reminded me of.

RBS

50 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 7:16:04pm

villains.wikia.com

51 bill d  Oct 19, 2014 7:17:05pm

re: #50 jaunte

2 evil Canadians.

52 BongCrodny  Oct 19, 2014 7:18:12pm

Walking Dead:

Click to Reveal

Let’s just say they give a new meaning to the phrase “filet of sole.”

Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee.

53 Lidane  Oct 19, 2014 7:24:20pm

re: #52 BongCrodny

Must not click spoilers. Must not click spoilers.

Can’t click anything until after football and Walking Dead and Talking Dead. Gah.

54 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 7:25:14pm

re: 47 teleskiguy

I’m always amused at people who go out of their way to comment about stuff they profess not to care about.

55 sagehen  Oct 19, 2014 7:25:38pm

re: #44 jaunte

Toxic Ted

I’m just going to leave this here again; reuse as you will.

Very Snidely Whiplash.

56 sagehen  Oct 19, 2014 7:26:38pm

re: #52 BongCrodny

Walking Dead:

[Embedded content]

Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee.

{{groan}}

57 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:29:22pm

re: #54 SteveMcGazi

re: 47 teleskiguy

I’m always amused at people who go out of their way to comment about stuff they profess not to care about.

It’s mostly for my Facebook brethren. Yes, I’m a troll, I admit it!

Truth is I do give a shit. American football is a fucked up sport. I hope the NFL goes out of business from CTE lawsuits and the obscene sport just dies.

58 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 7:32:30pm

There are other sports besides American football with CTE problems. YOu wanna ban girls soccer?

59 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:38:08pm

re: #58 SteveMcGazi

There are other sports besides American football with CTE problems. YOu wanna ban girls soccer?

Maybe soccer players should wear helmets?

60 Decatur Deb  Oct 19, 2014 7:40:35pm

All the murders in tonight’s Inspector Lewis were committed with a roofer’s hammer. Perhaps Oxfordians should wear helmets.

61 Mattand  Oct 19, 2014 7:43:25pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

It’s mostly for my Facebook brethren. Yes, I’m a troll, I admit it!

Truth is I do give a shit. American football is a fucked up sport. I hope the NFL goes out of business from CTE lawsuits and the obscene sport just dies.

I’m still in disbelief the NFL is technically a non-profit.

62 CuriousLurker  Oct 19, 2014 7:44:33pm

re: #44 jaunte

Toxic Ted

I’m just going to leave this here again; reuse as you will.

Because there must also be cats and, aside from looking like Joseph McCarthy, with that ebola-stache he also looks a lot like Dali

63 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:44:50pm

SteveMcG, I’m well aware of the risk associated with sport, I’m a skier fercrissake. I ask this; does girls soccer have a problem with it’s professional players killing themselves because of CTE like the NFL does? Are women’s soccer leagues being sued by thousands of its players because the league was in total denial of what was happening to the players brains for decades?

64 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 7:47:40pm

re: #61 Mattand

I’m still in disbelief the NFL is technically a non-profit.

So is the PGA Tour.

65 bratwurst  Oct 19, 2014 7:47:45pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

SteveMcG, I’m well aware of the risk associated with sport, I’m a skier fercrissake. I ask this; does girls soccer have a problem with it’s professional players killing themselves because of CTE like the NFL does? Are women’s soccer leagues being sued by thousands of its players because the league was in total denial of what was happening to the players brains for decades?

He has already identified himself as an anti-soccer troll…best not to feed him.

66 dholmes32  Oct 19, 2014 7:47:48pm

re: #58 SteveMcGazi

There are other sports besides American football with CTE problems. YOu wanna ban girls soccer?

I’m thinking eventually insurance companies aren’t going to put up with this and will force changes on contact sports to minimize or avoid issues with CTE.

67 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:48:25pm

re: #65 bratwurst

He has already identified himself as an anti-soccer troll…best not to feed him.

OY!

68 nines09  Oct 19, 2014 7:48:50pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Dali created. Dipshit just farts loudly and waits for the applause.

69 BigPapa  Oct 19, 2014 7:49:37pm

re: #64 SteveMcGazi

So is the PGA Tour.

Holy TigersMilk, what a joke. That’s why they yammer about so much given back to charity at every event.

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2014 7:49:48pm

re: #58 SteveMcGazi

There are other sports besides American football with CTE problems. YOu wanna ban girls soccer?

boxing, and maybe ice hockey have those problems…

71 GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 19, 2014 7:50:01pm

Must have been a buch of white kids rioting. No word from Dumb Hoft or Ginger Johnson.

cnn.com

72 CuriousLurker  Oct 19, 2014 7:50:29pm

re: #68 nines09

Dali created. Dipshit just farts loudly and waits for the applause.

Heh, yeah, I’m pretty sure Dali would’ve been horrified.

73 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:50:58pm

re: #58 SteveMcGazi

There are other sports besides American football with CTE problems. YOu wanna ban girls soccer?

And about this, I never said I wanted to ban American football. Don’t put words in my mouth.

*down ding*

74 nines09  Oct 19, 2014 7:52:19pm

re: #72 CuriousLurker

He repulses me. His very personage screams sleaze. He’s a bloodsucking hyena, with apologies to all the hyenas out there.

75 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 7:53:39pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

SteveMcG, I’m well aware of the risk associated with sport, I’m a skier fercrissake. I ask this; does girls soccer have a problem with it’s professional players killing themselves because of CTE like the NFL does? Are women’s soccer leagues being sued by thousands of its players because the league was in total denial of what was happening to the players brains for decades?

I don’t think anybody even knows or cares whether female soccer players are killing themselves. As far as the NFL players’ suit, I think it’s disingenuous on one hand because I think the players reps knew just as much as the league did, however, the suit is necessary because the league did not step up to the plate to share in the burden of caring and compensation. Why the union can’t work these details into the CBA, I don’t understand. I wouldn’t hate the sport because the league is corrupt. Sounds like you didn’t like the sport anyway and were looking for a reason.

76 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 7:56:08pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

It’s mostly for my Facebook brethren. Yes, I’m a troll, I admit it!

Truth is I do give a shit. American football is a fucked up sport. I hope the NFL goes out of business from CTE lawsuits and the obscene sport just dies.

Downding this, dumbass

77 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:57:02pm

It’s like a xanax in a song.

78 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 7:57:31pm

re: #76 SteveMcGazi

Downding this, dumbass

Uncalled for.

79 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 7:57:59pm

I never said I hope soccer dies. It’ snot my cup of tea. I went no farther than that.

80 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 19, 2014 7:58:10pm

I was once upon a time very much a firearms enthusiast. The main reason I am not currently as enthusiastic as I once was is because indulging in that particular hobby requires more time and money than I am now willing to spend on it. I haven’t developed any particular distaste, revulsion, or fear of the ownership and/or use of firearms.

What I *have* developed in recent years is a significant distaste, revulsion, and even fear of what I’ll reluctantly call “gun culture”.

My experience with guns as a kid in Texas during the 1980s involved a lot of extremely stern and vehement reinforcement of the rules: A gun is not a toy, and it is to be treated with the utmost seriousness. All guns are always loaded. Never allow a gun to point at anything you don’t intend to destroy. Be certain of your target and what lies beyond it. Keep your booger hook away from the bang switch until you are ready to destroy the thing you’re aiming at.

These were not “guidelines” or “suggestions”. They were The Fucking Law. If you broke The Fucking Law, you would not be allowed to join in any firearms-oriented reindeer games for quite some time. After breaking The Fucking Law as a kid, it took quite a bit of penance to prove you were worthy of another chance to get it right.

It went without saying that part of being a responsible and respectable gun owner meant that you did not parade your guns around in public. If you were going hunting or going plinking on the range, it was very much expected that your firearms went from your front door to the trunk of your car, preferably in a carrying case, with no fanfare. It was all business.

I can’t identify when or how, but at some point in recent history “gun ownership” became an element of identity construction. It suddenly became taken as a given that:

1) all gun owners are “conservatives”;
2) all “conservatives” are gun owners;
3) all “liberals” oppose private ownership of guns
4) everyone who opposes private ownership of guns is a “liberal”

and battle lines have been drawn up accordingly, despite none of those assumptions being factually correct.

Uhh, where was I going with this? Oh, never mind.

81 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 7:58:22pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

Uncalled for.

Quoting you?

82 bratwurst  Oct 19, 2014 8:01:01pm

re: #79 SteveMcGazi

I never said I hope soccer dies. It’ snot my cup of tea. I went no farther than that.

Shellfish are not my cup of tea. I have no problem with other people enjoying them.

See how what I said is different from what you said?

83 nines09  Oct 19, 2014 8:01:11pm

Goodnight all and a pleasant tomorrow.

84 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:02:18pm

re: #81 SteveMcGazi

Quoting you?

I never called you a “dumbass.” I don’t call anybody who contributes at LGF juvenile names. Grow up, dude.

85 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:03:50pm

re: #80 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I was once upon a time very much a firearms enthusiast. The main reason I am not currently as enthusiastic as I once was is because indulging in that particular hobby requires more time and money than I am now willing to spend on it. I haven’t developed any particular distaste, revulsion, or fear of the ownership and/or use of firearms.

What I *have* developed in recent years is a significant distaste, revulsion, and even fear of what I’ll reluctantly call “gun culture”.

My experience with guns as a kid in Texas during the 1980s involved a lot of extremely stern and vehement reinforcement of the rules: A gun is not a toy, and it is to be treated with the utmost seriousness. All guns are always loaded. Never allow a gun to point at anything you don’t intend to destroy. Be certain of your target and what lies beyond it. Keep your booger hook away from the bang switch until you are ready to destroy the thing you’re aiming at.

These were not “guidelines” or “suggestions”. They were The Fucking Law. If you broke The Fucking Law, you would not be allowed to join in any firearms-oriented reindeer games for quite some time. After breaking The Fucking Law as a kid, it took quite a bit of penance to prove you were worthy of another chance to get it right.

It went without saying that part of being a responsible and respectable gun owner meant that you did not parade your guns around in public. If you were going hunting or going plinking on the range, it was very much expected that your firearms went from your front door to the trunk of your car, preferably in a carrying case, with no fanfare. It was all business.

I can’t identify when or how, but at some point in recent history “gun ownership” became an element of identity construction. It suddenly became taken as a given that:

1) all gun owners are “conservatives”;
2) all “conservatives” are gun owners;
3) all “liberals” oppose private ownership of guns
4) everyone who opposes private ownership of guns is a “liberal”

and battle lines have been drawn up accordingly, despite none of those assumptions being factually correct.

Uhh, where was I going with this? Oh, never mind.

negativ, you couldn’t have worded that better.

86 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:06:54pm

re: #82 bratwurst

Shellfish are not my cup of tea. I have no problem with other people enjoying them.

See how what I said is different from what you said?

I don’t remember exactly what I said about it because it was during the summer I think. But in general I engage is some trash talking with my friends about soccer, and my recollection was that was the context of the discussion. Something like bitching that it’s a bit of a miracle that any goals are scored at all in spite of the gigantic goal. That’s a far cry from wishing for the death of the sport. And I’m quite sure that teleskiguy isn’t just engaging in some amusing banter.

87 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:08:01pm

Happy belated birthday Chuck! (no, not that Chuck!)

88 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:10:58pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

I never called you a “dumbass.” I don’t call anybody who contributes at LGF juvenile names. Grow up, dude.

Fair enough. But you got busted for denying you wanted the sport to die at 7:29 PST and denied you said it at 7:51. Don’t go looking for a whole lot of courtesy, hypocrite.
Is calling a hypocrite a hypocrite out of line, too?

89 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:13:31pm

re: #88 SteveMcGazi

Fair enough. But you got busted for denying you wanted the sport to die at 7:29 PST and denied you said it at 7:51. Don’t go looking for a whole lot of courtesy, hypocrite.
Is calling a hypocrite a hypocrite out of line, too?

Wanting a sport to die and wanting to ban said sport are two completely different things. But okay! I’m done with you tonight. I hope your sports ball team scored more points against the other sports ball team they were playing.

Cheers!

90 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:15:22pm

You want to dance on the head of a pin, knock yourself out. Figuratively. Take your ball and go home.

91 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 8:16:41pm

re: #80 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m not a gun owner, and never was. Neither were my father and grandfather. But I can understand everything you say here. Guns have progressively become less a tool for doing something (hunting, target practice, self-defense(?)) and more a symbol of a warped mentality. It began before Obama took office, but since then it has really ramped up, as otherwise normal people have been absorbed into the “Red Dawn,” Stormfront and survivalist movements. Now, owning a gun and parading it around means you are a True American™, ready to defend yourself, your family and the nation at any moment from … something.

There is no other developed country I can think of that would tolerate, or even find acceptable, this kind of behavior.

92 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:17:22pm
93 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:19:04pm

re: #69 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla

Holy TigersMilk, what a joke. That’s why they yammer about so much given back to charity at every event.

The tour raises a lot of the money for that stuff independently of the money it generates from sponsors and tickets.

94 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:19:15pm
96 Floral Giraffe  Oct 19, 2014 8:22:09pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Loonies, Toonies & Hockey! Oh My!

97 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 8:22:32pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Nicely done!

98 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:24:00pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Funny thing about Canadian money. I find their dimes to be very shiny. I carry a bunch in my golf bag because they really catch the sun. I actually carry coins from all over the world in my bag. I figure if I get stuck anywhere I can always get a piece of gum.

99 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2014 8:26:28pm

On another related note, it was interesting on my trip to hear a discussion on guns from my southern, very pro-gun American wife and my longtime very anti-gun Canadian friend. It was a calm, rational discussion thank goodness.

My opinion on guns is largely unchanged. I think everyone who buys one should be required to take a basic safety course. I think everyone who gets a CCW should be required to get additional training. It takes more than good aim to do the right thing in a survival situation.

I support the right of the American people to own guns, to hunt and to shoot them for sport. Heck, I love target shooting when I find time to do it. But I also think that we need to recognize that guns ARE dangerous and we need to take some common sense measures to try and limit the risks as much as possible.

There IS a “well regulated militia” part in the 2nd amendment. The Founders could have just said “militia”, but they added “well regulated” because they understood even back then that it’s not a good idea to flippantly screw around with dangerous weapons.

100 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2014 8:27:11pm

re: #98 SteveMcGazi

Funny thing about Canadian money. I find their dimes to be very shiny. I carry a bunch in my golf bag because they really catch the sun. I actually carry coins from all over the world in my bag. I figure if I get stuck anywhere I can always get a piece of gum.

You are right about that. Canadian dimes are I believe slightly thinner than U.S. dimes and the design is much less intricate.

101 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:27:47pm

I’m a gun owner and everything in negativ’s #80 rings too true for me. Gun ownership has evolved into a political identity in of itself and the guns themselves are used as props and are not thought of as the tools of death that they are.

Anybody who feels they need to walk around the grocery store with a semi-automatic long rifle with a 30 round magazine slung around their shoulders would be harshly ridiculed or worse, arrested, in every first world country — except the United States.

I’ve said it before here, I’ll say it again; the second amendment is antiquated and its words have been twisted and distorted beyond any logical comprehension.

102 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:29:35pm

There are also some oddities about money. The Egyptian pound coin looks a little like a Euro coin at least to a novice. It must be expensive to mint with a dark metal center and a light colored rim. You don’t play heads or tails, you play heads or swords. (One side has the Sphinx, the other a sword). Also it is covered with Arabic (I think) writing, but has one thing written in roman characters (it’s out in the car and I forget whether it’s the year of if it says One Pound). Another one is a 5 (cent?) piece from China which has a great big 5 on it. Why? Are there that many tourists compared to its billion plus citizens?

103 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2014 8:33:08pm

Cars are regulated more than guns.

Medicines are regulated more than guns.

Cigarettes are regulated more than guns.

Food is regulated more than guns.

What’s wrong with this picture?

104 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 19, 2014 8:33:46pm

...

105 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:35:22pm

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

Cars are regulated more than guns.

Medicines are regulated more than guns.

Cigarettes are regulated more than guns.

Food is regulated more than guns.

What’s wrong with this picture?

I’m still surprised big tobacco is as regulated as it is.

106 andres  Oct 19, 2014 8:36:01pm

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

Cars are regulated more than guns.

Medicines are regulated more than guns.

Cigarettes are regulated more than guns.

Food is regulated more than guns.

What’s wrong with this picture?

Yes.

We need less regulation.

// Do I need to? Anyway, it’s an interesting, and worrying, situation.

107 BigPapa  Oct 19, 2014 8:38:43pm

American Football is bloodsport, a meatgrinder.

108 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 8:40:55pm

What, no pictures of Canadian bills?

109 goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2014 8:43:17pm

Seriously. I don’t say this just to harp some more on CCJ, the logo is a mess, a pedestrian uninspired generic concept executed about as poorly as possible. It makes me feel sad for him, and I don’t want to feel sad for him.

110 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 8:44:17pm

I just watched last weeks Walking Dead on the AMC website. I’m used to watching it on Netflix.

The commercials drove me nuts.

111 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 8:46:30pm

re: #107 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla

American Football is bloodsport, a meatgrinder.

Some rule changes for American football (with thanks and apologies to the late George Carlin):

1. Let the whole team play. What’s all this standing around on the sideline, get in there and hurt somebody!

2. Gasoline fires at random yard lines on the sideline, also a pair of randomly placed (non-lethal) land mines in the gridiron.

3. Any and all drugs allowed for consumption by players.

4. For playoff games, a hungry lion will be loosed on the gridiron during the two minute warning.

5. The loser of the Super Bowl, the head coach of the losing team will be executed on live TV after the game.

We need to get serious about this! Our stadium spectacles have got nothing on Ancient Rome!

112 BigPapa  Oct 19, 2014 8:48:40pm

Why DNS servers go wonky? Twitter and LGF work but I lost everything else.

113 goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2014 8:50:04pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

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Seriously. I don’t say this just to harp some more on CCJ, the logo is a mess, a pedestrian uninspired generic concept executed about as poorly as possible. It makes me feel sad for him, and I don’t want to feel sad for him.

I figure he was going for an aperture, but it looks like a gaping butt hole. Either way the lopsided / asymmetrical construction doesn’t look intentional, it looks like he didn’t know how to create vector art.

114 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 8:50:56pm

re: #102 SteveMcGazi

There are also some oddities about money. The Egyptian pound coin looks a little like a Euro coin at least to a novice. It must be expensive to mint with a dark metal center and a light colored rim. You don’t play heads or tails, you play heads or swords. (One side has the Sphinx, the other a sword). Also it is covered with Arabic (I think) writing, but has one thing written in roman characters (it’s out in the car and I forget whether it’s the year of if it says One Pound). Another one is a 5 (cent?) piece from China which has a great big 5 on it. Why? Are there that many tourists compared to its billion plus citizens?

You mean like this?
Chinese coinage

They all have big numbers on them to speed identification, I guess. The smaller coins are “jiao” denominations = 1/10 and 5/10 yuan. The larger “1” coin on the right is a 1 yuan coin. The “1” coin on the left with the fancy edging is an old style 1 jiao coin.

They also have paper equivalents for the coinage.

115 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 8:52:00pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

I figure he was going for an aperture, but it looks like a gaping butt hole. Either way the lopsided / asymmetrical construction doesn’t look intentional, it looks like he didn’t know how to create vector art.

I thought it looked poorly executed as well.

116 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2014 8:52:54pm

My understanding was Arabic numbers are easily recognized by a large portion of the world’s population, hence their use across many cultures and nations.

117 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:54:18pm

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi

You mean like this?
Chinese coinage

They all have big numbers on them to speed identification, I guess. The smaller coins are “jiao” denominations = 1/10 and 5/10 yuan. The larger “1” coin on the right is a 1 yuan coin. The “1” coin on the left with the fancy edging is an old style 1 jiao coin.

They also have paper equivalents for the coinage.

It occurred to me that the big 5 may be a simple way for people from different parts of China (who speak diiferent dialects and maybe alphabets) to identify coins

118 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2014 8:55:22pm

I think Chucky just slightly altered some clipart to get that logo.

Also:

Gotnews. com founder and editor-in-chief Charles C. Johnson is an investigative journalist, author, and sought after researcher.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

119 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 8:56:03pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

My understanding was Arabic numbers are easily recognized by a large portion of the world’s population, hence their use across many cultures and nations.

Maybe that would explain the Arabic numbers on the Egyptian coins! (sheepish grin)

120 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 8:56:48pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

“Aperture Science, Inc. is a fictional United States-based scientific research corporation appearing in Portal and Portal 2, as well as its logo on the Borealis in Half Life 2: Episode Two. “
half-life.wikia.com

121 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 8:58:37pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

My understanding was Arabic numbers are easily recognized by a large portion of the world’s population, hence their use across many cultures and nations.

Chinese has its own characters for numbers. The first 3 are pretty clear:
一,二,三. Then they get less intuitive: 四,五,六,七,八,九,十. You’ll find these and Arabic numbers used side by side sometimes in newspapers.

122 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 9:00:50pm

re: #117 SteveMcGazi

Maybe. Everyone here uses the same characters (except Tibetans, Koreans and Uighurs among themselves), and learn the Chinese characters in school. They pronounce them differently, though.

123 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:01:01pm

re: #120 jaunte

I need a logo, but I admit I have no imagination and no talent.

124 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 9:01:41pm

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

I think Chucky just slightly altered some clipart to get that logo.

Also:

Gotnews. com founder and editor-in-chief Charles C. Johnson is an investigative journalist, author, and sought after researcher.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

By which law enforcement agency, and for what crime?

125 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 9:01:58pm

re: #123 Dead Tired

So you just need a logo designer.

126 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 9:02:49pm

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

I think Chucky just slightly altered some clipart to get that logo.

Also:

Gotnews. com founder and editor-in-chief Charles C. Johnson is an investigative journalist, author, and sought after researcher.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Holy shit! Clicking on the “About” button at gotnews dot com…I wasn’t really prepared for the cavalcade of stupid.

Got News seeks to transform journalism by empowering everyday people, experts, and sources to break news and make money.

[…]

Johnson recognized that most published stories were only partially true, while other important stories were never told at all. Meanwhile, Johnson received a constant stream of information from part time researchers around the country who were eager for an outlet for their work.

“I invite you to join the revolution and change the world,” says Johnson.

UpChuck wrote all this himself, referring to himself in the third person. This man is not right in the head.

127 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 9:02:57pm

This is where Chuck’s logo came from:

google.com

128 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:03:04pm

re: #120 jaunte

Looks like he tried to recreate that and messed up.

129 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 9:03:51pm

re: #120 jaunte

Yup, stolen from a video game.

130 Kragar  Oct 19, 2014 9:04:48pm

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

I think Chucky just slightly altered some clipart to get that logo.

Also:

Gotnews. com founder and editor-in-chief Charles C. Johnson is an investigative journalist, author, and sought after researcher.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Research consisting of “Does anyone on twitter know how to find ____ for me?”

131 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 9:05:18pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Now at last I understand what Jonathan Coulton was singing about.
jonathancoulton.com

132 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 9:07:01pm
Johnson recognized that most published stories were only partially true, while other important stories were never told at all, because they weren’t true at all. Meanwhile, Johnson received a constant stream of information from part time researchersidle rumors and delusions from nutcases around the country who were eager for an outlet for their work.

Edited for accuracy

133 Kragar  Oct 19, 2014 9:07:10pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

This is where Chuck’s logo came from:

google.com

Stealing intellectual property is what freedom is all about.

134 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:08:35pm

re: #123 Dead Tired

I need a logo, but I admit I have no imagination and no talent.

Don’t sell yourself short Judge. You’re a tremendous slouch!// Anyway if you don’t know which way you want to go, it doesn’t matter which way you go. You could take your initials and gussy them up. Maybe an image from your youth. Anyway, like I said, play with it a bit. It’s a start and you don’t have to marry it. I guess I would describe the process like this: On a piece of paper draw a line across then sketch the outline of a car. then add a little bit of this and a little bit of that and next thing you know, you’ve made your own little piece of art. Take something out, put something in, change something. You’ll enjoy yourself and have something to show for it that is truly yours.

135 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 9:08:37pm

re: #133 Kragar

Stealing intellectual property is what freedom is all about.

Then China must be the freest country in the world!!

/

136 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:08:52pm

re: #125 jaunte

So you just need a logo designer.

Maybe I should just stay at a Holiday Inn.

137 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 9:09:43pm

re: #136 Dead Tired

^ What Steve said ^

138 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:11:45pm

re: #137 jaunte

^ What Steve said ^

Reboot Computers doesn’t really suggest anything to me to start with.

139 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 9:13:46pm

re: #138 Dead Tired

Reboot Computers doesn’t really suggest anything to me to start with.

How about this.

reBOOT

140 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:14:34pm

re: #138 Dead Tired

Reboot Computers doesn’t really suggest anything to me to start with.

How about a giant middle finger? Picture a lighthouse with a few small hills on each side of it.

141 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:16:18pm

You know with all the nifty features Charles has added to the site you would think he could do an etch-a-sketch tool. Especially if Mitt wants to run again.

142 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:16:34pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

How about this.

reBOOT

Does it have a rubber sole?

143 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 9:18:21pm

re: #138 Dead Tired

Reboot Computers doesn’t really suggest anything to me to start with.

Think about what aspect of your business makes it the right choice for the people you want to do business with, and start with that.

144 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:20:13pm

Funny thing is I’m in the middle of a creative flat tire. I have to do a literature review for my Nursing Research course and I’m stuck because I don’t know really how it’s supposed to go. I will eventually squeeze out a specimen and then I’ll tweak it and redo it. It’s always the beginning that’s the hardest part. And don’t go Tom Petty on me because if there’s something I hold in less regard than soccer, it’s Tom Petty.

145 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:20:20pm

The little grandson stayed over last night and was really crabby. He had a bit of a fever but we assumed it was from teething.

Tonight it looks like he has measles.

146 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:20:47pm

re: #143 jaunte

Think about what aspect of your business makes it the right choice for the people you want to do business with, and start with that.

Well, they don’t have to KNOW it’s a middle finger.

147 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 9:20:56pm

re: #142 Dead Tired

Does it have a rubber sole?

The Beatles (arguably) best album? Now that’s a logo!

148 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 9:21:34pm

re: #146 SteveMcGazi

Well, they don’t have to KNOW it’s a middle finger.

It’s the “I’m hard to get” positioning.

149 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 9:23:42pm

Youtube Video

150 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:25:03pm

re: #143 jaunte

Think about what aspect of your business makes it the right choice for the people you want to do business with, and start with that.

Like my charm, intelligence, knowledge and the fact I’ll drive over hells half acre to work?

151 wrenchwitch  Oct 19, 2014 9:25:22pm
152 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 9:27:13pm

re: #144 SteveMcGazi

Funny thing is I’m in the middle of a creative flat tire. I have to do a literature review for my Nursing Research course and I’m stuck because I don’t know really how it’s supposed to go. I will eventually squeeze out a specimen and then I’ll tweak it and redo it. It’s always the beginning that’s the hardest part. And don’t go Tom Petty on me because if there’s something I hold in less regard than soccer, it’s Tom Petty.

Getting a little clinical on us here. Maybe change your diet?
//

153 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:29:25pm

re: #152 wheat-dogghazi

Getting a little clinical on us here. Maybe change your diet?
//

The creative process isn’t always for the squeamish.

154 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:29:54pm

re: #152 wheat-dogghazi

Getting a little clinical on us here. Maybe change your diet?
//

You know what they - say shit floats.

155 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:30:27pm

re: #154 Dead Tired

You know what they - say shit floats.

What’s in your diet?

156 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:31:11pm

Diarrhea floats

157 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:31:24pm

I think it’s getting late.

158 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 9:32:06pm

re: #156 SteveMcGazi

Diarrhea floats

Y’know, it’s lunchtime here. Have a heart.

159 allegro  Oct 19, 2014 9:32:44pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

The Beatles (arguably) best album? Now that’s a logo!

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The Beatles always get an upding. :)

160 Dead Tired  Oct 19, 2014 9:32:45pm

re: #156 SteveMcGazi

Diarrhea floats

It will never replace root beer floats.

161 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:33:37pm

re: #160 Dead Tired

It will never replace root beer floats.

No wonder I never made a dollar. Maybe it wasn’t the logo after all.

162 jaunte  Oct 19, 2014 9:36:50pm

re: #150 Dead Tired

…I’ll drive over hells half acre to work?

That’s something you can illustrate.

163 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 9:43:15pm

Heh.

164 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 9:47:52pm

I encourage folks to check out the link Shiplord Kirel paged of Kodachrome color photos from the early 1940s. Gorgeous stuff.

165 freetoken  Oct 19, 2014 9:48:00pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #121 wheat-dogghazi

Chinese has its own characters for numbers. The first 3 are pretty clear:
一,二,三. Then they get less intuitive: 四,五,六,七,八,九,十. You’ll find these and Arabic numbers used side by side sometimes in newspapers.

The Japanese borrowed them too (一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八，九) but in many Japanese publications the Arabic numerals are used instead, especially for things like sports, engineering, and so on. I think the low stroke count for the Arabic numerals has helped them win out over other scripts’ numerals.

166 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2014 9:48:04pm

Oh it’s little nasty one, a nasty one
getting way too much tv time, Ebola
When you make the people run, the people run
think they’re getting sick from airlines, Ebola.

They’re never gonna stop or give it up
You’re not an airborne kind, it’s too much
For the sanity of the younger mind
My my my i yi woo
My my my my Ebola

167 SteveMcGazi  Oct 19, 2014 9:48:30pm

I just started out with a sentence, “Juveniles with Type 1 diabetes (T1D) find themselves are the point in their lives when they have to assume their own self-care in managing their disease.” blah blah blah. It ain’t much and it probably won’t be there when I turn it in, but I had to put something down to get started.

168 Jenner7  Oct 19, 2014 9:50:21pm
169 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 9:52:28pm

re: #165 freetoken

The Japanese borrowed them too (一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八，九) but in many Japanese publications the Arabic numerals are used instead, especially for things like sports, engineering, and so on. I think the low stroke count for the Arabic numerals has helped them win out over other scripts’ numerals.

I don’t doubt it. Making the Chinese character for 4 requires 5 strokes. After 30 years of dealing with the rest of the world, China is slowing moving over to Arabic numerals.

170 Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2014 9:56:39pm
171 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 10:06:37pm

Here’s something that happened 60 something odd years ago.

172 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 19, 2014 10:07:11pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Fear is a powerful motivational tool for demagogues. Get the people afraid of something/someone, and bend that fear to your own purposes.

173 TedStriker  Oct 19, 2014 10:17:01pm

re: #90 SteveMcGazi

You want to dance on the head of a pin, knock yourself out. Figuratively. Take your ball and go home.

The only person that I see getting all apoplectic over this is you.

Chill.

174 teleskiguy  Oct 19, 2014 10:24:20pm
175 Floral Giraffe  Oct 19, 2014 11:30:46pm

Dreaded, dead thread!

176 sagehen  Oct 19, 2014 11:31:58pm

So I’ve been watching the new showtime show, “The Affair”…

only spoilery for the basic premise, but I’ll put it behind a tag anyway:

Click to Reveal

The story is trite (wealthy mid-life crisis guy, working-class grieving woman, both married, summer fling), but I love the structure of it — framing device of sitting in an interrogation room talking to a cop, and each chapter is told twice, first from his point of view then from hers. It’s hard to tell if their memories are really that drastically different, or if one of them is lying, and trying to figure that out is much more interesting than the actual affair.

Also, I like the cast, so.

177 goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2014 11:51:54pm
178 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 12:02:43am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Well I’ve just completed a two week journey through my former homes in Canada and a good number of eastern and midwestern states.

That means it’s picture time!

This is the exterior of where we stayed in Pittsburgh, the Omni William Penn, got about 70% off on the stay thanks to Hotwire

[Embedded image]This is the lobby of the same hotel. Really great place. I wish I’d had a chance to eat at some of the restaurants there.

Last I was at the Omni, I remember they had some slow ass elevators.

179 goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2014 12:09:57am
180 KiTA  Oct 20, 2014 12:16:12am

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Oh god, don’t get me started on the Gamergate clusterfuck. #NotYourShield

If you ever wanted to see a more corrupt media than even Fox News, look no further than to your local video game website or magazine. And holy shit, they either are absolutely terrified or absolutely hate their own readers — it’s frightening. But they’re also quite organized — they all swarmed to put up hit pieces on their own readership en mass when this whole mess broke. Last I heard it was traced to a Google+ group where they were breaking NDAs and conspiring to make sure certain games / publishers got a certain average score.

And of course you have a special class of single issue wonk trolls mixed in the whole mess — the social justice warriors (SJWs) who claim to support various causes (feminism, gay rights, etc) but either are absolutely batshit in their devotion to them, or really just enjoy inciting flame wars.

To wit: I’ve been accused of either “metaphorical rape” or supporting “rape culture” (the message from the SJW could be read both ways) because I have a poster of the award winning Pink Floyd “Back Catalogue” advertisement by Tony May and Phyllis Cohen on my wall - there’s nudity on it, ergo rape. Or something. I was too busy trying to find my eyeballs, as I had rolled them so hard I lost them momentarily.

181 goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2014 12:36:38am

re: #180 KiTA

This is the best explanation of the issue I’ve seen. Most of the people who earnestly think #GamerGate is a legit cause don’t see or have a problem with the actual problematic cozy corporate relationships and simplistic ratings schemes that have been a part of gaming journalism for decades. They have a problem with women and indie friendly game reviewers writing reviews that reflect their non-mainstream tastes and preferences.

I’m just using it as an opportunity to poke fun at toolbags who are getting all worked up about women posting opinions.

182 KiTA  Oct 20, 2014 12:44:15am

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

I found this was a good take on it (yours is good too):

techcrunch.com

From a person with a BA in History and Politics, he points out that basically at it’s heart Gamergate is politics breaking into the already explosive culture of gaming. He goes into some pretty good details, and even covers 4chan in an honest way, rather than playing them up as some sort of cult of cartoonish supervillains that the SJWs have been trying to do lately.

183 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 20, 2014 12:50:54am

0th world problems.

184 KiTA  Oct 20, 2014 1:00:54am

Meanwhile, a comic I’ve been reading for a few years went to a really, really weird place:

quantumvibe.com

185 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 20, 2014 1:08:56am

re: #184 KiTA

Oh my.

quantumvibe.com
quantumvibe.com

186 goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2014 1:24:58am

Peeps be crazy:

187 goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2014 2:29:29am

Let’s for a second take the claim that #gamergate “is about ethics in gaming journalism” seriously, at face value. That’s kind of pathetic, right? I mean we’re talking about game reviews, and like movie or any other kind of art reviews that’s a pretty inherently subjective thing. Getting worked up about developers and writers being in bed with each other is lame, it happens, it’s totes fucking ubiquitous. It’s the state of play in the Automobile press, Audiophile mags, Sports coverage, goddamned everywhere. So it wears thin people acting surprised, or pretending that true objectivity is even possible when you’re doing something as meta as writing about media content.

This ain’t Consumer Reports, which presents quantitative data about consoles but tellingly doesn’t touch games because everybody already knows why. If you don’t like the opinions of SJW’s (and seriously, how dismissive is that term) then tune them the fuck out. The individual members of the gaming press, like everybody, have both opinions and assholes. That’s not a scandal.

188 KiTA  Oct 20, 2014 2:29:42am

re: #185 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yeah, like I said, it’s a really weird place. Basically the main character is being accused of being a 550 year old Hiter-like analogue, which was bad enough in the abstract, but apparently his crime was to set off a nuclear war that killed 2 billion people by intentionally nuking Islamic holy sites to “Destroy” the religion — with Israeli nukes, apparently. And they’re going into really ugly detail about it.

The whole thing makes me really uncomfortable to read, but I actually think that’s 100% intentional — it’s exposing what exactly the Gellers of the world are preaching for exactly what it is.

189 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 3:16:08am

ICYMI, Jim Wright nailed it again:

190 KiTA  Oct 20, 2014 3:49:50am

I really wish they’d hurry up and release the Nexus 9 LTE for preorder. I need to throw money at the screen.

191 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:05:33am

The NRA has been consistently silent on the issue of Intimate Partner Violence. If they were truly interested in interpreting the 2nd Amendment as the Right to Self-Defense, they would be all over the Marissa Alexander case —working for her defense.

192 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:08:23am

re: #189 Lidane

ICYMI, Jim Wright nailed it again:

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We’re the human race.

We are the species that makes other species extinct.

Never really thought of it that way.

193 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:20:40am

194 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:24:13am

195 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 4:28:28am

Sooo, this was in my Time Line this morning:

196 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 4:29:19am

It’s my granddaughter’s 2nd birthday, what should I get for her?

197 Frenchy  Oct 20, 2014 4:29:37am

Ted Cruz is an evil man. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be the type of person who hears him speak for a few minutes and not only doesn’t see straight through the demagoguery, not only is not totally repulsed, but earnestly thinks “This guy should be the President of the United States.”

198 A Mom Anon  Oct 20, 2014 4:33:33am

You know, you’d think that seeing a bunch of little kids murdered at school FFS would have made it somewhat possible to have a rational discussion about guns. Nope. I really don’t get it. The discussion always becomes the gun owners telling me I just don’t understand, that I want to ban all weapons, that I am somehow un American. The group Moms Demand Action gets rape and death threats and followed around by open carry jerks for wanting some damned enforced laws in place. And I’m being unreasonable? Is life without a gun plastered to your side so unimaginable? Where the fuck do you live?

I know there are responsible people who own guns. They lock them up when not in use, store them unloaded but treat them as loaded at all times, etc. I hear it from people who want to make sure everyone knows they’re the responsible ones. I get it. But you know, just as many people are not responsible, not trained, not even motivated to be either of those things. It should be harder to get a gun and operate one than it is to legally drive a car. You should have to be licensed and insured, pass a test, go to classes. I don’t give a shit if it costs more. So what? And also, if you want to operate the same weapons as the military has, JOIN THE MILITARY. Otherwise, no, you shouldn’t have access to that stuff. Too many fools who think they’re Barney Badass have access to this crap already, it’s enough.

I belong to a yard sale/personal sale group on Facebook. You can find guns there. The last ad was an AK with everything you could need to go out and do some damage, tons of ammo, scope etc. (the seller’s words, not mine). So for 1500 dollars, anyone can go to the local grocery store parking lot and meet with a guy buy all that crap and it’s all perfectly legal. No questions asked. And that particular grocery store chain allows open carry of any firearm, so you could buy that package of stuff and then walk right into that store. How is that OK? That is not right, and it’s not some infringement on your special little self to have to go through a proper procedure to buy an item that at it’s heart is specifically designed to kill. And spare me the target practice argument, guns were invented/ designed to kill, period. It’s what they’re truly made to do, period.

199 A Mom Anon  Oct 20, 2014 4:34:44am

re: #196 Vicious Piebola

Books. Board books for her, story books to be read to her.

200 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:38:17am
• Half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1]

I wonder how that compares to other reasons to seek medical care. Seems American Women are expected to shoulder the burden of this rather common procedure —when we are not for so many other things.

Let’s say lung cancer —I mean that could be avoided by not smoking—right?

STD? Those could be avoided—right?

201 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 4:39:41am

I also have a 1-year-old and a 13-year-old to get birthday presents for.

202 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:40:08am

re: #195 Vicious Piebola

Sooo, this was in my Time Line this morning:

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This is actually a valid question. There is no box to check on crime reports for guns used successfully in self-defense. Thus the data is not collected. Of course, unless the firearm is discharged and it results in a 911 call, such instances are not reported.

Because of the moratorium on gun research, we simply don’t know much of anything regarding guns.

Except, of course, the body count … .

203 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 4:40:11am

Oh and Hanukkah is coming! :)

204 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:40:55am

re: #196 Vicious Piebola

It’s my granddaughter’s 2nd birthday, what should I get for her?

books in boxes.

205 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 4:41:22am

re: #202 FemNaziBitch

This is actually a valid question. There is no box to check on crime reports for guns used successfully in self-defense. Thus the data is not collected. Of course, unless the firearm is discharged and it results in a 911 call, such instances are not reported.

Because of the moratorium on gun research, we simply don’t know much of anything regarding guns.

Except, of course, the body count … .

The idiot who Tweeted that is allegedly in Germany. The only guns that “saved lives” over there were carried by the allied & Red armies.

206 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:41:55am

re: #205 Vicious Piebola

The idiot who Tweeted that is allegedly in Germany. The only guns that “saved lives” over there were carried by the allied & Red armies.

ah!

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 20, 2014 4:41:58am

re: #196 Vicious Piebola

It’s my granddaughter’s 2nd birthday, what should I get for her?

Hmm… Lego Duplos, because Legos are great for every child’s imagination. smile.amazon.com

208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 4:42:46am

re: #205 Vicious Piebola

The idiot who Tweeted that is allegedly in Germany. The only guns that “saved lives” over there were carried by the allied & Red armies.

It is assumed that the very presence of guns helped save lives, sort of like Kaiser Wilhelm’s notion that the very existence of a German High Seas Fleet would prevent war Britain…

209 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 20, 2014 4:46:58am

I can’t decide whether to go with the “Over My Dead Body” joke or the “Spinning in his grave fast enough to generate 1000 MW of electricity” joke…

210 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 20, 2014 4:49:34am

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

I never think about demons. I think that’s a good thing.

211 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:49:58am

A Texas Militiaman Reconsiders the Mission

Texas Border Volunteers is run by Mike and Linda Vickers. The couple owns a 1,000-acre ranch in central Brooks County, which serves as a base of operations for their activities. Mike Vickers is a veterinarian who has considerable sway in Brooks County and the ear of influential Republicans, including Gov. Rick Perry, Congressman Michael McCaul, the chair of House Homeland Security, and DPS Director Steve McCraw. Dr. Vickers travels around the state addressing conservative groups about the crisis at the border. Access to the vast private ranchlands of Brooks County is often coordinated by Vickers, who’s a go-to source for reporters from around the world seeking information on illegal immigration in South Texas. The Vickers founded the group in 2006, spun off from the Minutemen, the controversial border-watchers that imploded years ago in an orgy of in-fighting and violence. Texas Border Volunteers claims to have some 300 recruits. Dr. Vickers presents a more moderate image than some of the other, cruder militiamen running around in South Texas. In public presentations and in the media, the Vickers typically describe what the Border Volunteers do as “observe and report”—they use their expertise of the rough terrain of Brooks County’s ranches to patrol for undocumented immigrants and then call Border Patrol to pick them up. On TBV’s website, the group describes its mission as “assisting law enforcement officials with securing the border, upholding the rule of law and educating the general public with regard to immigration issues.” It all sounded pretty good to Gilbert.

Eventually, Gilbert became one of the core members of the Texas Border Volunteers, serving on the board and helping to supervise new recruits. He appears in an agit-prop documentary, They Come to America II: The Cost of Amnesty, explaining to the filmmaker, regular Fox News guest Dennis Michael Lynch, how emergency distress beacons and five-gallon water containers for languishing immigrants come “courtesy of the United States government.”

212 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 4:53:46am

I bought her this.

Thanks Amazon Prime!

213 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 4:58:42am

Cancer Survivor Still Hassled About Not Breastfeeding

“I can’t. I had breast cancer,” I said, looking down at Lincoln and stating proudly: “But I’m just so happy to be alive and be a mother after cancer.”

Silence.

“Just try,” they advised. “Let’s hope you get some milk.”

“It may come out anyway, or through your armpits,” another advised later when I was doing the usual post-labor, slow-recovery walk through the hospital halls.

UPDATED

214 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 20, 2014 4:58:51am

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been to Pentecostal services (under protest, but family stuff, y’know). People there get really weird and crazy, babble lots of nonsense syllables, and someone with the “gift of interpretation” translates the gibberish into a message. And it is gibberish. If it were a real tongue — as in a language — it would have some structure and order. There is none. So, you’ve got one person spewing nonsense syllables and another inventing a message out of thin air, supposedly with the help of the Holy Spirit.

So, yeah, mainstream Christians think speaking in tongues is wrong and “not for today” or any day.

215 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 20, 2014 4:59:16am

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

Throwing your lot in with the Anita Sarkeesians of the world requires an off-the-scale level of suspension of disbelief, and an almost pathological willingness to be hoodwinked. And that’s about all I’m going to say about that.

216 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 5:00:18am

re: #212 Vicious Piebola

I bought her this.

Thanks Amazon Prime!

EXCELLENT!

217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 5:00:30am

re: #214 wheat-dogghazi

So, yeah, mainstream Christians think speaking in tongues is wrong and “not for today” or any day.

Believing that dead people could get up and walk, that virgins gave birth or that angels and demons came and intervened in our lives is also a bit “not for today”, but there is no point in trying to convince them.

218 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 20, 2014 5:02:05am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Believing that dead people could get up and walk, that virgins gave birth or that angels and demons came and intervened in our lives is also a bit “not for today”, but there is no point in trying to convince them.

There’s that, too.

219 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 5:05:23am

The whole dead people are going to get up and walk is soo creepy. Not to mention just stupid.

220 EbolaSpotinAL  Oct 20, 2014 5:06:23am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Believing that dead people could get up and walk, that virgins gave birth or that angels and demons came and intervened in our lives is also a bit “not for today”, but there is no point in trying to convince them.

Miracles ain’t what they used to be.

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 20, 2014 5:07:45am

re: #212 Vicious Piebola

I bought her this.

Thanks Amazon Prime!

Excellent! That should be lots of fun for her.

222 goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2014 5:13:43am

re: #215 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Throwing your lot in with the Anita Sarkeesians of the world requires an off-the-scale level of suspension of disbelief, and an almost pathological willingness to be hoodwinked. And that’s about all I’m going to say about that.

Okay, that’s stupid but thanks. While I think that the “Anita Sarkeesians of the world” have a right to express their opinions without being threatened I’m not throwing my lot in with anybody. I’m making fun of what I see as another silly, ill conceived round of hashtag activism that completely misses the mark.

223 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 20, 2014 5:16:07am

re: #219 FemNaziBitch

The whole dead people are going to get up and walk is soo creepy. Not to mention just stupid.

A god, or demigod, is just not worth his salt until he can make a dead man walk again.

Come to think of it, I can’t remember if any of the Greek gods successfully revived a dead person. IIRC, either they stayed in Hades or got turned into a constellation if they were really special. If the early Christians were trying to outdo the pagan gods, making the dead walk would be a winner.

224 goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2014 5:16:07am

When your side in a debate keeps incessantly railing against “the mainstream media,” that’s generally never a good sign.

225 goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2014 5:19:13am

re: #223 wheat-dogghazi

A god, or demigod, is just not worth his salt until he can make a dead man walk again.

Come to think of it, I can’t remember if any of the Greek gods successfully revived a dead person. IIRC, either they stayed in Hades or got turned into a constellation if they were really special. If the early Christians were trying to outdo the pagan gods, making the dead walk would be a winner.

Persephone let Sisyphus escape Hades after death. Actually he tricked her into letting him out. That’s how the Greeks did it, it generally wasn’t a resurrection per se, but a return from the Underworld. I don’t think they got into the mechanics of how that worked with the corpse and all.

226 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 5:21:32am

227 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 5:23:31am

Posting Every Day Until the Election -please share

228 FemNaziBitch  Oct 20, 2014 5:23:36am

bbl

229 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 20, 2014 5:24:46am

re: #225 goddamnedfrank

Persephone let Sisyphus escape Hades after death. Actually he tricked her into letting him out. That’s how the Greeks did it, it generally wasn’t a resurrection per se, but a return from the Underworld. I don’t think they got into the mechanics of how that worked with the corpse and all.

OK. I forgot the story of Sisyphus, but he didn’t get away scot-free. After returning to the underworld again, he was condemned to that whole rolling the rock up the hill thing as punishment for tricking the king and queen of the underworld..

mythweb.com

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 5:42:01am

re: #196 Vicious Piebola

It’s my granddaughter’s 2nd birthday, what should I get for her?

World peace. And a start on education reform?
;)

I guess you’ll have to settle for something fluffy instead.

231 Dr. Matt  Oct 20, 2014 5:47:55am
232 Dr. Matt  Oct 20, 2014 5:51:24am

I assume this is BS, right? I can’t track down anything about her that closely resembles this.

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 5:53:13am

re: #232 Dr. Matt

Saying that while sitting on a “hippie” chopper is sort of ironic, isn’t it?

234 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 5:55:57am

re: #233 Feline Fearless Leader

Saying that while sitting on a “hippie” chopper is sort of ironic, isn’t it?

One symptom of extremism is an irony deficiency.

235 Dr. Matt  Oct 20, 2014 5:56:08am

re: #233 Feline Fearless Leader

Saying that while sitting on a “hippie” chopper is sort of ironic, isn’t it?

But it has the ‘Meruca flag on it! Go ‘Meruca! Yeah Team!

236 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 6:01:56am

Good morning fine people, hope everyone has a good week.

237 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 6:04:15am

re: #236 b.d.

Good morning fine people, hope everyone has a good week.

Nigeria is officially free of ebola, WHO announced today.

They should start banning flights from Texas.

238 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 6:10:12am

NONE of the people who had contact with Duncan before he was isolated in the hospital tested positive for Ebola. Imagine that.

239 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 6:15:44am

re: #238 Lidane

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NONE of the people who had contact with Duncan before he was isolated in the hospital tested positive for Ebola. Imagine that.

Now how can that be, when Chucky and Dim Jim were vigilantly warning us of the danger of these people? The vomit on the sidewalk!

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240 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 6:20:04am

re: #239 Targetpractice

Now how can that be, when Chucky and Dim Jim were vigilantly warning us of the danger of these people? The vomit on the sidewalk!

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Obviously only through the grace of God.

241 sattv4u2  Oct 20, 2014 6:32:11am

How NOT to spend your only day off this week
Sitting in a car dealerships waiting area while they perform warranty work

How I am spending MY only day off this week
Sitting in a car dealerships waiting area while they perform warranty work

((and worse,,, they have limited/ spotty inner-webbies access))

242 Romantic Heretic  Oct 20, 2014 6:32:43am

My take on America’s gun problem? It ties into the fact that America is still, essentially, a religious nation. And too often America itself is the religion.

It’s the religion people were raised in. It’s the religion they have always known. It’s the religion that gives shape, direction and meaning to their lives. It’s the religion that protects them from evil.

In that religion firearms, as I’ve mentioned before, are a holy icon. The equivalent of a crucifix or a menorah. Use of them is a sacred ritual and a sacred duty. If people die it is because the religion dictates they must die. Like the Aztec religion the American religion (as opposed to the American nation) demands blood to maintain the order of the universe.

Such a simplistic and bloodthirsty religion is a wonderful thing for two types of people: con artists and fanatics. The former because wrapping something in religion makes it nearly impossible for believers to see through the bullshit and the believers give money and power to the con artists. The latter because religion is often a perfect excuse to be nasty assholes to other human beings. The American religion is better suited than most to both types as it is a rather nebulous concept with little real theological thought occurring inside it.

Until America becomes just a nation its gun problem will continue.

This view is undoubtedly coloured by my agnosticism, but there it is.

243 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 6:36:19am

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They should start banning flights from Texas.

Now, now, let’s not be hasty. Texas has pawned their problems off to Georgia and Maryland, we should ban flights from there.

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244 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 6:36:24am
245 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 6:38:15am

re: #244 Vogon Poetry

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Maybe we should - so that Texas doesn’t spread Ebola back to African countries that just got done stamping it out.
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246 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 6:48:42am

Geography isn’t Americans’ strongest suit, and once again fear and hysteria trump facts.

Banning Africans from entering schools isn’t prudent, let alone necessary. These people have nothing to do with the outbreak; it’s like warning that someone from California must have been affected by Hurricane Sandy, because it happened on the same continent.

This is fear and hysteria fueled by more than a wee bit of racism/xenophobia. Plain and simple.

And asshats like Ted Cruz spread this noxious nonsense even though there’s no new cases among the dozens who were exposed by Duncan prior to entering the hospital. And the only other two cases were nurses who treated Duncan. As each day passes, the numbers of people who are cleared from voluntary or mandatory quarantines increases - because the disease isn’t that easy to get unless you’re coming into direct contact.

But Cruz and right wingers keep spinning this as some kind of huge crisis or failure for the Obama administration when it’s been anything but. There are three cases total from the Duncan infection.

And two of those cases were the result of the hospital’s failures - the failure to follow basic protocols.

247 Frenchy  Oct 20, 2014 6:51:10am

re: #246 Vogon Poetry

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But Cruz and right wingers keep spinning this as some kind of huge crisis or failure for the Obama administration when it’s been anything but.

Well…that’s their MO with pretty much everything, right?

248 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 6:52:53am

This serial killer has killed more people than Ebola cases in the US thus far.

For that matter, so too did the Aurora gunman, the Sandy Hook gunman, the VA Tech gunman, and more than 100 other instances where there were mass shooting incidents (defined as 4 or more killed).

249 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 6:54:01am

This is Hannity just begging to be trolled:

250 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 20, 2014 6:56:12am

re: #248 Vogon Poetry

This serial killer has killed more people than Ebola cases in the US thus far.

For that matter, so too did the Aurora gunman, the Sandy Hook gunman, the VA Tech gunman, and more than 100 other instances where there were mass shooting incidents (defined as 4 or more killed).

Don’t forget the threat of an epidemic from those Central American illegals with enterovirus D68!!

251 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 6:57:38am

re: #249 Vogon Poetry

My question for Sean Hannity:

Which will kill more people in America in 2015: Ebola or privately-owned semi-automatic weapons?

252 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 6:57:59am

Her 1st Tweet ever, fewer people are more excited about the possibilty of Hillary running for President.

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 6:59:42am

re: #252 b.d.

Her 1st Tweet ever, fewer people are more excited about the possibilty of Hillary running for President.

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Hillary running will make her semi-relevant by indirect means to the media circus. Thus she’ll get attention, interviews, and probably paid.

254 sattv4u2  Oct 20, 2014 7:00:20am

Woman Arrested After Becoming Trapped in Chimney at Thousand Oaks Home

ktla.com

The home’s resident, who did not wish to be identified, said he had met Nunez-Figueroa online and they had gone on about six dates.

255 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 7:06:35am

re: #253 Feline Fearless Leader

Hillary running will make her semi-relevant by indirect means to the media circus. Thus she’ll get attention, interviews, and probably paid.

Noticed how Monica is being followed by Chuck Todd on Twitter, because, well, journalism!

256 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 7:10:59am

I hope some other Democrat comes out of nowhere and takes the nomination away from Hillary like Obama did in ‘08.

Because a Hillary/Jeb runoff would just suck.

257 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 7:14:16am

re: #256 Vicious Piebola

Because a Hillary/Jeb runoff would just suck.

Inspirational! It’s what every small child looks up to in the wonderful world of adult politics. Two heavyweight, poll-driven, cautious, career politicians staking a claim for the soul of middle America!

258 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 7:16:22am

It would be marginally entertaining to see Jeb & Mitt have a cage match when all the teabaggers have eaten each other, but I don’t want to see the Dem nomination just get handed to Hill on a plate because she thinks she’s “owed” it.

259 GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 20, 2014 7:21:32am

re: #195 Vicious Piebola

Sooo, this was in my Time Line this morning:

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INFINITY!!!

260 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 7:23:56am

re: #258 Vicious Piebola

It would be marginally entertaining to see Jeb & Mitt have a cage match when all the teabaggers have eaten each other, but I don’t want to see the Dem nomination just get handed to Hill on a plate because she thinks she’s “owed” it.

Just don’t see anyone else that’s plausible this late. The 2016 campaign is well under way. Given my druthers, I’d have Elizabeth Warren, but the calendar is wrong.

261 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 20, 2014 7:25:43am

re:
#249

Tonight I’m joined by an audience of Dr. Bill Frist and Dr. Ben Carson medical experts & they will tell you how Obama spread the Ebola virus through Obamacare. answer your questions about the deadly Ebola Virus. What ?s do you have?

262 gwangung  Oct 20, 2014 7:25:49am

Hm.

263 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 7:29:56am

Good morning lizards!

Here is some geektastic news to start the day…

SCIENCE!!!

264 Sionainn  Oct 20, 2014 7:38:55am

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

Cancer Survivor Still Hassled About Not Breastfeeding

UPDATED

Lactation “specialists” were telling her that milk could maybe come from her armpits? FFS!!!! I hate these stories. It’s none of anyone’s goddamn business what a woman chooses to do and she shouldn’t be made to feel ashamed of her choice to breastfeed or not nor she should have to recite her whole medical history to complete strangers.

265 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 7:40:30am
266 De Kolta Chair  Oct 20, 2014 7:41:34am

re: #23 Kragar

Cecil Stinemetz @cstinem

@ChuckCJohnson After listening to Cruz educate Crowley it gives me goosebumps to imagine him leading this country instead of a bumbling….

Does Cruz also make Cecil’s leg twitch? I honestly don’t want to know.

267 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 7:41:53am

Media whips up frenzy about Ebola.

Media writes “point and laugh” stories about people responding to Ebola frenzy.

Media congratulates self with splashy Pulitzer party featuring hookers and blow.

268 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 7:42:30am

re: #262 gwangung

Hm.

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Not sure where ‘white privilege’ is located in those pictures.

269 SteveMcGazi  Oct 20, 2014 7:48:44am

re: #268 NJDhockeyfan

Not sure where ‘white privilege’ is located in those pictures.

I was sort of wondering the same thing. Who’s attacking whom?

270 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 7:48:59am

re: #239 Targetpractice

Now how can that be, when Chucky and Dim Jim were vigilantly warning us of the danger of these people? The vomit on the sidewalk!

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Most people have enough sense to not play in the vomit.

271 gwangung  Oct 20, 2014 7:52:07am

re: #268 NJDhockeyfan

Not sure where ‘white privilege’ is located in those pictures.

Well, the woman is smaller. The flag is hers. He didn’t get arrested, or even talked about until now.

272 De Kolta Chair  Oct 20, 2014 7:52:53am

re: #262 gwangung

Hm.

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Some context (any context for that matter) would’ve been helpful.

273 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 7:53:45am

Just a reminder: Short of an amendment, the path to sane gun control goes through a progressive Supreme Court. That goes through a Dem president and a Dem senate. Ain’t no other way. Set a goal to get two sane voters to the polls.

274 Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 20, 2014 7:54:00am

re: #271 gwangung

One of the comments is spot on: The white dickbro couldn’t be performing his sense of entitlement any more symbolically. “My symbol! My flag! My country! ALL MINE!”

275 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 7:54:12am

re: #249 Vogon Poetry

This is Hannity just begging to be trolled:

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276 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 7:55:01am

re: #271 gwangung

Well, the woman is smaller. The flag is hers. He didn’t get arrested, or even talked about until now.

My guess is that some super patriot got upset about a upsidedown American flag being carried by a protestor. That said protestor was smaller and probably appeared easy to bully probably aided in the apparent ardor of his patriotic reaction.

277 Tom  Oct 20, 2014 7:58:52am

re: #80 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Well said. I’m an old school gun owner. There are four rules, and they are always followed.

I hang around with people at gun ranges, I have a good time shooting steel targets. I don’t think I’m rambo, and I have no real desire to have to defend myself or others with one. However there are some people that concern me that like guns, just like there are people who concern me that don’t like guns.

I don’t like the NRA, and I rail against them all the time in email. They turned into the GOP election committee years ago and don’t really protect gun rights other than help elect some truly insane people like the dude mentioned.

I don’t get the ‘ban all the guns’ view though either. Just because a gun can be used to kill (as Sam Jackson said in Jackie Brown) ‘every mother F*cker in the room’ doesn’t mean that it should be illegal.

While the Bushmaster quote is true, the numbers are < 50. Handguns kill a lot more, as do almost anything else like a car, stairs, etc.

We have an issue with Violence as a nation, not just gun violence. If we focused on the violence issue maybe I’d be more supportive, but blaming guns is to short sighted to me and a lot of people have perfectly normal relationships with a firearm and use it properly for entertainment.

278 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 7:59:13am

re: #275 Eventual Carrion

Can you get Ebola just from hearing about it 24/7 on FoxNews?

Is it more virulent than influenza, that kills more people in US each month than Ebola has in the US since disease was first identified in 1970s?

Can you get Ebola from people flying in and out of DFW?

Can you get Ebola from visiting Dallas, Texas?

What about Cleveland?

What about Los Angeles? If someone is infect in this country, should we ban travel to stop the outbreak?

If Nigeria could stop an outbreak when it shares a border with the affected countries, are you saying we’re not as good as Nigeria’s health system?

279 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 7:59:25am

re: #271 gwangung

Well, the woman is smaller. The flag is hers. He didn’t get arrested, or even talked about until now.

Here is some context about that flag…

…About 3 p.m. a handful of fans argued with protesters, who were yelling and chanting, near the intersection of North Broadway and Cole streets. The yelling escalated, a fan appeared to spit on one of the protesters and he was then struck on the head, at which point a melee ensued and punches were thrown.

At one point during the scuffle, a protester carrying an upside-down American flag used the pole as a weapon, attempting to jab a fan with the pole. A short time later, after the initial confrontation, a different fan grabbed the flag and ran with it for a brief period; protesters then wrestled the flag back.

Two women, one of whom was a juvenile, were arrested after the fight, police said.

Using a flag pole as a weapon will usually get you arrested.

280 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 20, 2014 7:59:38am

re:
#266

After listening to Palin Cruz educate Crowley it gives me starbursts goosebumps to imagine him leading this country instead of a bumbling….

281 Varek Raith  Oct 20, 2014 7:59:53am

It’s cold.
The cat has my blanket.
:(

282 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 8:01:11am

re: #275 Eventual Carrion

Can you get Ebola from a mouse?
Can you get Ebola from a House?
Can you get Ebola from a tree?
Or just Hypebola from the GOP?

283 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 8:01:26am

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

Here is some context about that flag…

Using a flag pole as a weapon will usually get you arrested.

Then get a policeman and have the assaulter arrested. Do not take things into your own hands.

284 Floral Giraffe  Oct 20, 2014 8:01:37am

re: #227 FemNaziBitch

Posting Every Day Until the Election -please share

Because it deserves reposting.

285 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 8:01:40am
286 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 8:01:41am

re: #282 Vogon Poetry

Can you get Ebola from a mouse?
Can you get Ebola from a House?
Can you get Ebola from a tree?
Or just Hypebola from the GOP?

Internet won.

287 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 8:02:22am

re: #282 Vogon Poetry

Can you get Ebola from a mouse?
Can you get Ebola from a House?
Can you get Ebola from a tree?
Or just Hypebola from the GOP?

Not from a mouse
Not from a house
Not from a tree
You let me be, Gee-Oh-Pee!

288 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 8:02:35am

re: #281 Varek Raith

It’s cold.
The cat has my blanket.
:(

Need more blankets. And have a spare stashed where the cat won’t look.
;)

Or simply turn on the death-ray control consoles and let the excess heat warm the room.
;P

289 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 8:02:51am
290 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 8:03:55am

re: #289 Vicious Piebola

What task does this person think is worth only $5 an hour?

What task would they do for that amount?

291 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 8:04:15am

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

Here is some context about that flag…

Using a flag pole as a weapon will usually get you arrested.

Fuck him. If he spit on me I would shove it up his fucking ass. I am not a pacifist, can you tell.

292 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 8:04:31am
293 gwangung  Oct 20, 2014 8:04:37am

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

Here is some context about that flag…

Using a flag pole as a weapon will usually get you arrested.

Though it does depend on if someone was trying to assault her, too.

294 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 8:07:08am

re: #290 Vogon Poetry

What task does this person think is worth only $5 an hour?

What task would they do for that amount?

I tweeted him to do it himself.

295 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 8:07:44am

re: #292 Vicious Piebola

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Ha, exactly what I tweeted him.

296 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 8:10:01am

I had people tweet to me that Tom Frieden isn’t a practicing doctor, so his opinions shouldn’t matter. These are right wingers complaining about the Ebola outbreak response mind you. So, a well regarded medical expert with experience in outbreaks (Frieden was at forefront of dealing with the TB outbreak in NYC that was due in part to the spread of AIDS/HIV) is a political hack, even though he’s got years of medical experience.

So, which is it - someone who can handle logistics and communication to unify the message to make sure everyone’s on the same page, or a health expert with decades of experience? The people discounting Frieden’s handling of the situation are ankle biters at best, and we’re still talking about 3 total cases (with about ~120 contacts being monitored). Out of 310 million.

You’ve got a better chance of winning Megamillions than you do of coming into contact with someone with Ebola in the US.

297 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 8:10:46am

For Darth:

298 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 20, 2014 8:10:56am

re: #233 Feline Fearless Leader

Saying that while sitting on a “hippie” chopper is sort of ironic, isn’t it?

The biker sub-culture is very white supremacist friendly.

299 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 8:12:21am

Now CNN reports that the Fearbola outbreak is BS:

Ebola hysteria: An epic, epidemic overreaction

cnn.com

300 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 8:13:05am

re: #291 Eventual Carrion

Fuck him. If he spit on me I would shove it up his fucking ass. I am not a pacifist, can you tell.

He was spit on, he didn’t spit on anybody. He was also punched in the face and given a black eye. Watch the video at the link. Having said that do you think he should have tried to shove that flag pole up her ass.

Sheesh.

301 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 8:13:09am

re: #294 Eventual Carrion

I tweeted him to do it himself.

I did too.

302 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 20, 2014 8:14:36am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

He was spit on, he didn’t spit on anybody. He was also punched in the face and given a black eye. Watch the video at the link. Having said that do you think he should have tried to shove that flag pole up her ass.

Sheesh.

If there were justice, he’d have been beaten senseless and they would have been given medals. But the “others” would have been arrested instead.

303 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 8:14:48am

re: #293 gwangung

Though it does depend on if someone was trying to assault her, too.

Sure, that would definitely be ok IMHO however she wasn’t attacked, she was the attacker according to the news.

304 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 20, 2014 8:16:38am

re:
#299

Now CNN reports that the Fearbola outbreak is BS:

“Up next, we’ll return to the epidemic of beheadings in America….”

305 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 8:16:51am

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Now CNN reports that the Fearbola outbreak is BS:

Ebola hysteria: An epic, epidemic overreaction

cnn.com

This from the news network that, within minutes of the CDC’s announcement of the first Ebola patient in the US, proceeded to splash on its screen the early symptoms of Ebola, all of which fit dozens of other illnesses, chief amongst them influenza…at the very beginning of flu season.

306 gwangung  Oct 20, 2014 8:18:10am

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

Sure, that would definitely be ok IMHO however she wasn’t attacked, she was the attacker according to the news.

Given how the news has operated in St. Louis, I would trust them about as much as I trust the police.

I can easily see scenarios where the first assault is glossed over to focus on her actions.

307 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 8:21:02am

Snidley Ebolalash wants to TAX TEH POORS!!!!!!
Could he be any more of a cartoon villain?

308 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 8:21:40am

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Fuck CNN

309 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 8:23:44am

re: #307 Vicious Piebola

What should the 2015 Congress do?

Pontificate, or bloviate?

Click here to vote donate to my reelection campaign and luxury hair-oil slush fund.

310 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 8:26:06am

re: #306 gwangung

Given how the news has operated in St. Louis, I would trust them about as much as I trust the police.

I can easily see scenarios where the first assault is glossed over to focus on her actions.

The video at the link shows the women running up and throwing punches. Hey, you may be right and the press is possibly working with the police to make the protesters look bad (conspiracy?) but I don’t see it in that video.

311 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 8:27:17am

re: #307 Vicious Piebola

Snidley Ebolalash wants to TAX TEH POORS!!!!!!
Could he be any more of a cartoon villain?

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Seriously, Ted’s now trying to steal from Aqua Budda’s fan base by co-opting “AUDIT THE FED!!!”?

312 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 8:31:08am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

The video at the link shows the women running up and throwing punches. Hey, you may be right and the press is possibly working with the police to make the protesters look bad (conspiracy?) but I don’t see it in that video.

Anyone who showed up at that protest with an inverted flag is a parasitic provocateur. Fuck ‘em.

313 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 8:33:12am

There are so many ways for us Republican Congressmen (yes, men) to be dicks, we simply can’t decide! So we’re enlisting you, the white people of America, to help us.

Should we:

A) Take more money away from blah people and give it to white CEOs?
B) Repeal blah president health insurance for poor people not like you?
C) Something something government has democrats in it and can’t be trusted?
D) Guns?
E) BENGHAZI

314 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 8:36:17am

Donated to my local Democrat running against extreme right winger Scott Garrett here in NJ5. Garrett ran an ad claiming he was at the forefront of getting aid for NJ after Hurricane Sandy.

That couldn’t be further from the truth. He opposed grants in aid and was opposed to the Sandy aid package.

He opposed the Zadroga Act.

He’s proposed gutting Congress’ ability to do pretty much its constitutional duties.

He’s on the record that children of illegal immigrants shouldn’t be treated as US citizens if they’re born in the US.

Garrett is out of touch with his constituency. He’s even more extreme to the right of the GOP (which is really saying something). And he needs to be voted out of office.

He’s running against @RoyCho5 and the latest poll has Cho down just a few points.

315 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 8:36:20am

VOTE OR BE SENT TO TEH GULAGZ! ELEVENTY!

316 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 20, 2014 8:38:04am
317 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 8:38:21am

re: #296 Vogon Poetry

You’ve got a better chance of winning Megamillions than you do of coming into contact with someone with Ebola in the US.

318 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 8:38:41am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Anyone who showed up at that protest with an inverted flag is a parasitic provocateur. Fuck ‘em.

A protester brought that with them. It is their right to wave upside down flags if they want to. I don’t have any problem with that. Attacking people with the pole is not a right.

319 blueraven  Oct 20, 2014 8:38:53am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

He was spit on, he didn’t spit on anybody. He was also punched in the face and given a black eye. Watch the video at the link. Having said that do you think he should have tried to shove that flag pole up her ass.

Sheesh.

The article states

About 3 p.m. a handful of fans argued with protesters, who were yelling and chanting, near the intersection of North Broadway and Cole streets. The yelling escalated, a fan appeared to spit on one of the protesters and he was then struck on the head, at which point a melee ensued and punches were thrown.

At one point during the scuffle, a protester carrying an upside-down American flag used the pole as a weapon, attempting to jab a fan with the pole. A short time later, after the initial confrontation, a different fan grabbed the flag and ran with it for a brief period; protesters then wrestled the flag back.

stltoday.com

Where do you get that this “fan” was spit on?

320 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 8:39:54am

You Americans sure do love your flag.

You could wipe your ass with the Canadian flag and I wouldn’t give it a second thought.

321 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 8:40:01am

Wait, what?

322 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 8:41:00am

re: #317 Lidane

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Oh Christ, not the “science is not settled” shit.

323 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 8:41:02am

Waving an upside down flag is an attack on America! We are required as True Patriots to fight back with all means available!!!

/

324 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 8:42:31am

re: #318 NJDhockeyfan

A protester brought that with them. It is their right to wave upside down flags if they want to. I don’t have any problem with that. Attacking people with the pole is not a right.

That’s why direct action is a two-edged sword. If there is no leadership, or the leaders lose control, the message falls by the wayside. She damaged the community’s valid protest.

325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 8:44:16am

re: #324 Decatur Deb

That’s why direct action is a two-edged sword. If there is no leadership, or the leaders lose control, the message falls by the wayside. She damaged the community’s valid protest.

That only works for the Left. When right-wingers go off the deep end toting guns, threatening federal agents, they seem to advance the cause.

Go figure.

326 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 8:46:07am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That only works for the Left. When right-wingers go off the deep end toting guns, threatening federal agents, they seem to advance the cause.

Go figure.

I don’t think so. Most sane Americans seeing the doofs in Home Depot have to think they, and by extension their 2A cause, are idiots.

327 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 8:47:51am

re: #319 blueraven

The article states

stltoday.com

Where do you get that this “fan” was spit on?

The video where the fan was interviewed. He said he was spit on then punched in the face. Must have been a misprint in the article.

328 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 8:48:44am

re: #319 blueraven

Jim Hoft?

329 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 8:50:20am

Wingnut Head Explosion starting in 3,2,1…

What!? Where!?!

330 makeitstop  Oct 20, 2014 8:50:28am

re: #328 Vogon Poetry

Jim Hoft?

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Busted!

331 ObserverArt  Oct 20, 2014 8:50:43am

re: #298 William Barnett-Lewis

The biker sub-culture is very white supremacist friendly.

More than just a little!

///

332 blueraven  Oct 20, 2014 8:50:48am

re: #327 NJDhockeyfan

The video where the fan was interviewed. He said he was spit on then punched in the face. Must have been a misprint in the article.

Oh, it couldn’t be that he was lying?

333 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 8:50:55am

Is this guy 4 years old?

334 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 8:51:18am

re: #329 b.d.

I guess you could call that a gated community.

:P

335 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 8:52:28am

re: #329 b.d.

Damn leper-huggin’ Catholics again…

336 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 8:52:52am

His mom told him to clean his room but he’s trying to find somebody else to do it for $5/hr

337 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 8:54:12am

He’s just cruising for bruising.

338 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 8:54:38am

It amazes me how many lizards are trying to find a good reason for why 2 people got punched in the face and one attacked with a flag pole.re: #332 blueraven

Oh, it couldn’t be that he was lying?

OMG…LOL!!!

Yeah, that’s it. Both him and the woman who was hit blindsided both made up their stories and had friends punch them instead so that they could blame the protesters. It was prep-planned during the game!

339 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 8:54:53am

re: #327 NJDhockeyfan

The video where the fan was interviewed. He said he was spit on then punched in the face. Must have been a misprint in the article.

Or he did the spitting first and is lying sac of shit.

340 sagehen  Oct 20, 2014 8:55:28am

re: #253 Feline Fearless Leader

Hillary running will make her semi-relevant by indirect means to the media circus. Thus she’ll get attention, interviews, and probably paid.

And revenge.

341 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 8:55:40am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

Damn leper-huggin’ Catholics again…

HOW DARE YOU CATHOLICS CARE FOR THE SICK!!!

342 makeitstop  Oct 20, 2014 8:56:02am

The Morning Wingnut Wave ain’t what it used to be.

343 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 8:57:02am

re: #337 Vogon Poetry

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He’s just cruising for bruising.

And the majority of it? Asking government agencies for updates on what they’re doing. Oh, and two separate committees begging for travel bans.

344 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 8:57:18am

There is hope yet. It looks like I will be transferred to the flagship sales team in my division this week. I’m supposed to shadow one of the team members today and tomorrow then they’ll put me into intensive product training for a few days.

I might just have a job with a real bonus/commission structure soon. It will be nice.

345 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 8:58:22am

Off to scrounge the last few sweet potatoes from the garden. If I were a Papuan horticulturist in Yalibu, I’d be in deep shit this winter.

346 blueraven  Oct 20, 2014 8:58:53am

re: #338 NJDhockeyfan

It amazes me how many lizards are trying to find a good reason for why 2 people got punched in the face and one attacked with a flag pole.

OMG…LOL!!!

Yeah, that’s it. Both him and the woman who was hit blindsided both made up their stories and had friends punch them instead so that they could blame the protesters. It was prep-planned during the game!

I am not defending anyone. But the article does not say that the protester spit on the fan, it says the fan spit on the protester. You claim the article must be wrong. Who is defending whom?

347 Ace-o-aces  Oct 20, 2014 8:59:42am

re: #317 Lidane

348 ObserverArt  Oct 20, 2014 9:00:31am

re: #320 Dead Tired

You Americans sure do love your flag.

You could wipe your ass with the Canadian flag and I wouldn’t give it a second thought.

Sometimes Americans love the flag symbol way more than the actual freedoms the symbol stands for.

It’s like a diamond ring symbolizing the marriage. If the diamond ring is damaged or lost, you’re still freaking married.

349 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 9:03:57am

re: #322 Targetpractice

Oh Christ, not the “science is not settled” shit. =

“The economics of supply side are not settled”

350 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:06:09am

re: #348 ObserverArt

Sometimes Americans love the flag symbol way more than the actual freedoms the symbol stands for.

It’s like a diamond ring symbolizing the marriage. If the diamond ring is damaged or lost, you’re still freaking married.

Yup. The symbol isn’t what it symbolizes.

351 makeitstop  Oct 20, 2014 9:08:11am

In other news, it’s almost as if that Ebola scare thing never even happened on Facebook. Absolutely zero posts about Ebola this morning.

I’m so tempted to troll the Hair On Fire crowd about it. I put up with so much condescending shit from them about how I didn’t understand disease transmission last week.

352 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 20, 2014 9:08:54am

Good morning lizards, I’m happy to say I’ve accepted a new position closer to home (among other perks) and will be starting in 2 weeks :)

353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 9:09:10am

re: #350 Dead Tired

Yup. The symbol isn’t what it symbolizes.

People who do not understand what something is about (religion, concept of masculinity, patriotism) tend to fixate on and fetishize whatever symbols have come to stand for those concepts- Hence the ongoing flaps about flag lapel pins, latte salutes, crucifixes and nativity scenes on public property, etc…

354 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:09:48am

re: #351 makeitstop

In other news, it’s almost as if that Ebola scare thing never even happened on Facebook. Absolutely zero posts about Ebola this morning.

I’m so tempted to troll the Hair On Fire crowd about it. I put up with so much condescending shit from them about how I didn’t understand disease transmission from them last week.

Am I to understand that they think all disease is transmitted exactly the same way?

355 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 9:10:13am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

People who do not understand what something is about (religion, concept of masculinity, patriotism) tend to fixate on and fetishize whatever symbols have come to stand for those concepts- Hence the ongoing flaps about flag lapel pins, latte salutes, crucifixes and nativity scenes on public property, etc…

That explains why they are so impressed by pictures of Reagan saluting, kissing the flag, etc.

356 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:10:13am

re: #352 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Good morning lizards, I’m happy to say I’ve accepted a new position closer to home (among other perks) and will be starting in 2 weeks :)

Prone?

or

Upright?

357 Schadenboner  Oct 20, 2014 9:10:23am

re: #329 b.d.

Wingnut Head Explosion starting in 3,2,1…

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What!? Where!?!

Read that as “fermentation center”.

358 gwangung  Oct 20, 2014 9:11:08am

re: #351 makeitstop

In other news, it’s almost as if that Ebola scare thing never even happened on Facebook. Absolutely zero posts about Ebola this morning.

I’m so tempted to troll the Hair On Fire crowd about it. I put up with so much condescending shit from them about how I didn’t understand disease transmission last week.

Meh. Unfriended someone who was panicking about the “cursory” examination given to the African national who threw up and died of a heart attack. Demanded a blood test and all that.

Um, dude, think about it. Vomiting fits a WIDE range of illnesses. Ebola has OTHER markers, which a cursory examination WOULD pick up.

359 bill d  Oct 20, 2014 9:12:29am

General Admission
Includes a hardcover copy of Glenn Greenwald’s book No Place to Hide and entry to the reception with the speakers at 8:30 p.m.
1d 1h 50m $49.00

Yesterday’s news.

Remember when his “fireworks extravaganza” story turned out to be a dud then Glenn claimed that that wasn’t his extravaganza? He sure has been quiet since then.

360 Kragar  Oct 20, 2014 9:13:51am
361 palomino  Oct 20, 2014 9:15:51am

re: #58 SteveMcGazi

There are other sports besides American football with CTE problems. YOu wanna ban girls soccer?

If that’s your argument, you really don’t know much about sports. CTE in soccer needs to be addressed. But 300 lb. people launching themselves like missiles into the heads of other players is NOT a part of soccer. It is an essential part of football.

362 makeitstop  Oct 20, 2014 9:15:53am

re: #354 Dead Tired

Am I to understand that they think all disease is transmitted exactly the same way?

A lot of people bought into the ‘could become airborne’ hype. Some believed it could be spread like a cold. And a good percentage of them were absolutely convinced that Obama was going to let the disease spread unchecked so he could ‘gain power.’

Never mind that he’s already the most powerful man in the world…

363 ObserverArt  Oct 20, 2014 9:18:38am

Regarding the protesters and fans at the St Louis Rams game yesterday, here is a link to local radio station report.

ksdk.com - 2 arrested after protesters, Rams fans fight

They claim a Rams fan spit on a protester and there was a squabble for the upside down flag. It sounds like the Rams fans had an issue with that flag symbol.

I’m not going to excuse anyone, but with the crap the way it is in Ferguson and other communities it it easy to see there will be more of this kind of thing going on. That is what happens when people feel helpless in their situation and that is what happens when the other side thinks those same people have nothing to bitch about and are doing it wrong symbolically.

364 Dr. Matt  Oct 20, 2014 9:22:41am

If she was Black, the headline would be: “Black Pumpkin Fest Organizer Assaults, Threatens White Local Newsman

Pumpkin Fest Lady, TV Reporter Wrestle Over Mic Live On Air

Youtube Video

365 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:24:39am

re: #360 Kragar

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Direct contact with body fluids is direct contact with body fluids. Sputum directly into the eye is direct contact. A sneeze not directly at a person is not direct contact. A cough 3 rows down in a 747 is not direct contact.

366 sagehen  Oct 20, 2014 9:26:25am

re: #364 Dr. Matt

If she was Black, the headline would be: “Black Pumpkin Fest Organizer Assaults, Threatens White Local Newsman

IIRC, this was one of towns featured in John Oliver’s piece on the militarization of small-town PD’s.

So maybe the locals set out to prove this place really does need MRAP’s after all….

367 De Kolta Chair  Oct 20, 2014 9:26:50am

re: #364 Dr. Matt

If she was Black, the headline would be: “Black Pumpkin Fest Organizer Assaults, Threatens White Local Newsman

And the Illuminati celebrates another victory.

Pictured: George Soros’ rec room

368 wrenchwitch  Oct 20, 2014 9:28:16am

re: #320 Dead Tired

You Americans sure do love your flag.

You could wipe your ass with the Canadian flag and I wouldn’t give it a second thought.

Yeah, well, leaves are a traditional… oh nevermind.

369 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 9:29:08am

re: #365 Dead Tired

Direct contact with body fluids is direct contact with body fluids. Sputum directly into the eye is direct contact. A sneeze not directly at a person is not direct contact. A cough 3 rows down in a 747 is not direct contact.

The science is not in on how much hysterical overreaction is called for.

370 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:31:00am

re: #368 wrenchwitch

Yeah, well, leaves are a traditional… oh nevermind.

BOOM!

371 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 9:31:24am

re: #361 palomino

If that’s your argument, you really don’t know much about sports. CTE in soccer needs to be addressed. But 300 lb. people launching themselves like missiles into the heads of other players is NOT a part of soccer. It is an essential part of football.

Heading the ball is already being phased out of junior soccer, as well, since there are concerns that younger players can suffer injuries that way. It’s a reasonable/responsible approach to the problem IMO. Furthermore there’s relatively little evidence that repeated concussions are a big problem in soccer, beyond the fact that any physical activity is going to have its share of various injuries.

On the other hand, the NFL has gone out of its way to hide the extensive brain damage that occurs from participation. To say nothing of the overall physical degradation (knees, back, weight) that afflicts ex-players.

372 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:32:16am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The science is not in on how much hysterical overreaction is called for.

We need an online debate between the hysterical and the non-hysterical to decide it for us.

373 Schadenboner  Oct 20, 2014 9:32:36am

re: #371 iossarian

Heading the ball is already being phased out of junior soccer, as well, since there are concerns that younger players can suffer injuries that way. It’s a reasonable/responsible approach to the problem IMO. Furthermore there’s relatively little evidence that repeated concussions are a big problem in soccer, beyond the fact that any physical activity is going to have its share of various injuries.

On the other hand, the NFL has gone out of its way to hide the extensive brain damage that occurs from participation. To say nothing of the overall physical degradation (knees, back, weight) that afflicts ex-players.

This raises an interesting question: which are scummier, execs for FIFA or for the NFL?

375 SteveMcGazi  Oct 20, 2014 9:35:53am

re: #361 palomino

If that’s your argument, you really don’t know much about sports. CTE in soccer needs to be addressed. But 300 lb. people launching themselves like missiles into the heads of other players is NOT a part of soccer. It is an essential part of football.

From rockcenter.nbcnews.com

“‘People who think of concussions as only being present mostly in guys and mostly in the sport of football are just plain wrong,’ said Dr. Bob Cantu, who is chairman of the surgery division and the director of sports medicine at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass. ‘Soccer is right at the top of the list for girls.’

With the steady popularity of youth soccer, more girls are playing the game than ever before. Girls make up 48 percent of the more than 3 million kids registered in US Youth Soccer leagues.

Cantu said that the country is in the midst of ‘a concussion crisis’ and that studies show girls are reporting nearly twice as many concussions as boys in the sports they both play.”

I don’t think he’s talking about 300 pound girls. Besides, if you knew so much about sports you would know that most (edit) people (edit) football players weigh less than 300#.

376 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 9:36:11am

re: #373 Schadenboner

This raises an interesting question: which are scummier: execs for FIFA or for the NFL?

That way lies madness.

I will say this for FIFA: much as I despise the Qatar nonsense and their general corruption levels, they have done several good things to preserve enjoyment of the game, most notably their heroic resistance to the notion of TV time-outs.

377 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:36:29am

re: #374 Varek Raith

During Ebola Scare, Ted Cruz Rejects Obama’s Surgeon General Nominee for Being “Anti-Gun”

SEND CRUZ BACK TO CANADA!!

Oh wait.

No, don’t send him back. You keep him.

378 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 20, 2014 9:36:59am

re: #348 ObserverArt

Sometimes Americans love the flag symbol way more than the actual freedoms the symbol stands for.

It’s like a diamond ring symbolizing the marriage. If the diamond ring is damaged or lost, you’re still freaking married.

These days, I find an inverse correlation between espousing patriotism and having served in the military.

379 ObserverArt  Oct 20, 2014 9:38:18am

re: #377 Dead Tired

SEND CRUZ BACK TO CANADA!!

Oh wait.

No, don’t send him back. You keep him.

No, you take him back. We insist!

380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 9:38:37am

re: #378 Higgs Boson’s Mate

These days, I find an inverse correlation between espousing patriotism and having served in the military.

Ever since “Support the troops!” came to mean “Support whatever hare-brained, ill-conceived venture the C-in-C has sent our troops to die in!”

381 Timothy Watson  Oct 20, 2014 9:41:44am

24 oz. cup of coffee and I’m still sleepy.

382 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 9:42:08am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ever since “Support the troops!” came to mean “Support whatever hare-brained, ill-conceived venture the C-in-C has sent our troops to die in!”

Now it means SHOW PICTURES OF UNIFORMED GUYS WITH GUNS TO SHOW HOW “PATRIOTIC” WE ARE & TO PAY-SHAME LOW-WAGE WORKERS, BUT DON’T PAY TROOPS A LIVING WAGE WHILE THEY’RE IN SERVICE OR WHEN THEY COME BACK

383 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:42:11am

re: #379 ObserverArt

No, you take him back. We insist!

No thank you. We’re still trying to rid ourselves of Harper. A Cruz-Harper coalition would kill the country.

384 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 9:42:31am

re: #377 Dead Tired

SEND CRUZ BACK TO CANADA!!

Oh wait.

No, don’t send him back. You keep him.

Let’s work out a trade. You take back Ted and we’ll keep Celine Dion and Justin Beiber. Deal?

385 ObserverArt  Oct 20, 2014 9:43:21am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ever since “Support the troops!” came to mean “Support whatever hare-brained, ill-conceived venture the C-in-C has sent our troops to die in!”

Along those lines, I think the increase in the word ‘hero’ after 9/11 is similar.

I sometimes wonder if calling all cops heroes before they do anything heroic has caused some of them to be way to full of themselves to the point they feel a hero can do no wrong.

I think it always best to use the word when someone does something worthy of being labeled a hero.

I like words. But they are so abused.

386 Eventual Carrion  Oct 20, 2014 9:43:30am

re: #375 SteveMcGazi

From rockcenter.nbcnews.com

[snip]

I don’t think he’s talking about 300 pound girls. Besides, if you knew so much about sports you would know that most people players weigh less than 300#.

The linemen who do the hitting for the most part average around 300 lbs.. Receivers, backs, and defensive backs (who do some tackling and hitting) are more likely to be in the 180 - 250 range. But the people tasked with hitting and blocking are bigger.

387 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 9:43:41am

re: #373 Schadenboner

This raises an interesting question: which are scummier, execs for FIFA or for the NFL?

IOC. Then FIFA and then the NFL, but those two are neck and neck.

The NFL might actually push ahead of the other two as a result of the CTE/TBI debacle, where they spent more than a decade blocking any substantive look at brain injuries among players and former players, and put a denier as the head of the group looking into the “problem”. The science is now overwhelming that TBI/CTE are a huge problem for the NFL. It’s the point where the NFL is looking at billion dollar settlements with the players (and that is probably insufficent).

388 SteveMcGazi  Oct 20, 2014 9:43:56am

re: #384 Targetpractice

Let’s work out a trade. You take back Ted and we’ll keep Celine Dion and Justin Beiber. Deal?

Whoa!! Ted Cruz only hurts Texas. Those other guys are worldwide scourges.

389 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 20, 2014 9:44:02am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ever since “Support the troops!” came to mean “Support whatever hare-brained, ill-conceived venture the C-in-C has sent our troops to die in!”

True, that. OTOH, plunging us into a war with no clear and unambiguous goal and no definition of the conditions that would enable us to declare the thing over is damned good for the MIC.

390 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 9:44:59am

re: #388 SteveMcGazi

Whoa!! Ted Cruz only hurts Texas. Those other guys are worldwide scourges.

Yeah, but they’re not in politics. We only have to wear earplugs to deal with them.

391 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 9:45:00am

re: #377 Dead Tired

SEND CRUZ BACK TO CANADA!!

Oh wait.

No, don’t send him back. You keep him.

Nope. You get Ted Cruz and Justin Bieber back. We insist.

392 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:46:28am

re: #384 Targetpractice

Let’s work out a trade. You take back Ted and we’ll keep Celine Dion and Justin Beiber. Deal?

How about we let you listen to Rush and you keep all three?

393 sagehen  Oct 20, 2014 9:47:01am

John Oliver makes the Supreme Court telegenic:

Youtube Video

ETA::

OOPS. I meant to post this one:

Youtube Video

(the first clip is the raw footage he wants viewers to use to make their own reenactments)

394 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:47:08am

re: #391 Lidane

Nope. You get Ted Cruz and Justin Bieber back. We insist.

Nuh-uh

395 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 20, 2014 9:47:10am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

Off to scrounge the last few sweet potatoes from the garden. If I were a Papuan horticulturist in Yalibu, I’d be in deep shit this winter.

Sweet potato pie!!!

396 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 9:47:46am

re: #392 Dead Tired

How about we let you listen to Rush and you keep all three?

That’s extortion!

397 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:49:49am

re: #396 Targetpractice

That’s extortion!

So?

398 ObserverArt  Oct 20, 2014 9:49:52am

re: #396 Targetpractice

That’s extortion!

Just another from of negotiation.

/

399 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 9:52:58am

re: #397 Dead Tired

So?

So…so…shit, man, can’t you at least take back Bieber?

400 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 9:54:21am

AFP is spamming this WTF meme. I just can’t even.

401 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 9:55:01am

re: #392 Dead Tired

How about we let you listen to Rush and you keep all three?

Here’s a thought — we’ll put up with Celine Dion in Vegas and you get to keep Rush. In exchange, Canada has to help build a rocket to shoot both Cruz and Bieber into the sun.

402 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 9:56:14am

It started with one body. And confession to police.

And 6 additional bodies.

A serial killer who preyed on women across Indiana, mostly around Gary.

Police were told Friday night that an unresponsive woman was found in a room at a Motel 6 off Interstate 80, Lt. Richard Hoyda of the Hammond Police Department said. The 19-year-old woman had been killed by strangulation, CNN affiliate WGN reported.

Detectives developed a lead that led them Saturday to Gary, where they executed search warrants on a home and vehicle and took a person of interest into custody, Hoyda told CNN.

“The search warrant was executed not at the residence of the suspect but at a location near to the reported suspect’s home in Gary,” he said in a statement.

The man made a confession and took detectives to Gary, where “several other female victims of possible homicide” were found, Hoyda said. Three women were found in three abandoned homes Saturday, and police found three other bodies Sunday, Freeman-Wilson said.

Two of the seven bodies recovered have been identified, said Chelsea Whittington, a spokeswoman for Freeman-Wilson.

Afrikka Hardy, 19, was the woman found at the Motel 6, and Anith Jones, 35 of Merrillville, who had been missing since October 8, was found over the weekend, she said.

The five other women have yet to be identified, Whittington said. Freeman-Wilson said she was not aware of any connection among the women but noted that only two had been identified.

In other words, this one person may well have killed more people than Ebola has in the US. Ever.

Speaking of Ebola, CNN is now headlining that the hysteria was hysterical. Thanks for nothing. For all the hysterics by the media and a right wing determined to try and pin Ebola on the President, it is still far less of a concern than the flu. Or firearms.

403 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 20, 2014 9:56:32am

re: #400 Vicious Piebola

AFP is spamming this WTF meme. I just can’t even.

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AFP: American Federation of Potheads?

404 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:57:10am

re: #399 Targetpractice

So…so…shit, man, can’t you at least take back Bieber?

The Bieber express back to Canada left a long time ago, without him.

You get to keep him. Aren’t you lucky?

405 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 9:58:22am

re: #401 Lidane

Here’s a thought — we’ll put up with Celine Dion in Vegas and you get to keep Rush. In exchange, Canada has to help build a rocket to shoot both Cruz and Bieber into the sun.

Since that would benefit all of humanity, I would agree to that.

406 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 9:59:27am

re: #404 Dead Tired

The Bieber express back to Canada left a long time ago, without him.

You get to keep him. Aren’t you lucky?

Just you wait, the annexation is coming!

407 SteveMcGazi  Oct 20, 2014 9:59:38am

I was reading usatoday.com about the NFL’s role in the concussion problem and I wonder why the principals involved took no for an answer from the league. Why didn’t they go to the NFLPA? In fact, there was absolutely no mention of the union. The NFL can’t stop postmortems. It doesn’t, and never had that kind of authority. In the case of Junior Seau, the league asked his son to refuse the postmortem. Didn’t order it, just asked. That doesn’t exonerate the NFL, but the fact is that the players should have also known the same thing the NFL did. They had access to the same information the league did. As far as I’m concerned, the players are just as complicit as the league.

408 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:00:45am

Srsly I don’t even what it’s supposed to mean, dressing up a kid in a suit & tie and then strapping jet wings on him. Does it mean this kid will grow up to own his own private jet, or join the air force, or jump off a cliff wearing a homemade jetpack?

409 SteveMcGazi  Oct 20, 2014 10:01:26am

re: #408 Vicious Piebola

Srsly I don’t even what it’s supposed to mean, dressing up a kid in a suit & tie and then strapping jet wings on him. Does it mean this kid will grow up to own his own private jet, or join the air force, or jump off a cliff wearing a homemade jetpack?

He could grow up to be Chuck C. Johnson!//

410 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:02:01am

re: #406 Targetpractice

Just you wait, the annexation is coming!

Canada will wake up and put on its pants

411 SteveMcGazi  Oct 20, 2014 10:02:09am

re: #400 Vicious Piebola

He is a well-dressed junior astronaut.

412 Dead Tired  Oct 20, 2014 10:02:26am

re: #406 Targetpractice

Just you wait, the annexation is coming!

I’m campaigning against Canada annexing the US, so you shouldn’t worry too much.

413 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:03:30am
414 Schadenboner  Oct 20, 2014 10:04:28am
415 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 10:07:38am

I just got gas for $2.73/gal. Sweet.

416 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 10:07:58am

re: #407 SteveMcGazi

As far as I’m concerned, the players are just as complicit as the league.

Geez, man. I’ve met a number of reasonably high-level football players, and a relative of mine has represented a number of them in court (not on disability-specific claims). They’re generally very nice, hard-working, family-oriented guys. They hesitate to criticize their teams because that’s their employer and extended family right there, and (see above) they’re usually pretty loyal, nice, hard-working etc.

The fact that a significant number of them have sued the league for negligence tells you something. It’s also far from irrelevant that the league went out of its way to obscure the research on head injuries for a long time.

You really need to explain in what way the “players” (which players?) are “complicit” here.

417 wrenchwitch  Oct 20, 2014 10:08:29am

re: #407 SteveMcGazi

I was reading usatoday.com about the NFL’s role in the concussion problem and I wonder why the principals involved took no for an answer from the league. Why didn’t they go to the NFLPA? In fact, there was absolutely no mention of the union. The NFL can’t stop postmortems. It doesn’t, and never had that kind of authority. In the case of Junior Seau, the league asked his son to refuse the postmortem. Didn’t order it, just asked. That doesn’t exonerate the NFL, but the fact is that the players should have also known the same thing the NFL did. They had access to the same information the league did. As far as I’m concerned, the players are just as complicit as the league.

This isn’t exactly my bailiwick, but just on the face of it, an assertion that power was somewhat equal between players in the NFL and owners and operators of the League is fatuous. Especially when the owners and operators have agreed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the players.

418 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 10:08:48am

re: #407 SteveMcGazi

The NFLPA didn’t have the same information the NFL did. The league was actively suppressing information about brain injuries, and it took years before they even set up a concussion protocol for the league (and years more before the league clamped down on the protocol to insure safety of the players).

The NFLPA is among the weakest of the player unions for athletes. And the NFL is among the most tightly controlled of the league offices.

Goodell made sure to keep the issue from breaking out for as long as possible, because the evidence that the league had was that if parents knew that the damage could start as young as Pee Wee with a cumulative effect, that’s the end of the league as parents wouldn’t let their kids start with the sport.

There’s no other way to sugar coat the way the league has operated re: brain injuries. No other sport requires the kind of contacts that football does - with athletes throwing their bodies at each other at mind boggling speeds, and every single play involves a direct collision.

419 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 10:10:45am

The NFL wouldn’t be throwing money at settlements if they thought there was any way on God’s Green Earth that they could pin this on the union.

420 iossarian  Oct 20, 2014 10:10:58am

BBL

421 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 20, 2014 10:12:01am

re: #408 Vicious Piebola

Srsly I don’t even what it’s supposed to mean, dressing up a kid in a suit & tie and then strapping jet wings on him. Does it mean this kid will grow up to own his own private jet, or join the air force, or jump off a cliff wearing a homemade jetpack?

If you imagine that Ronald Reagan was the greatest president then the possibilities for whom the Republicans might nominate become limitless.

422 klys  Oct 20, 2014 10:12:11am

You know, maybe it is just me, but on that whole Gamergate issue, I don’t see how one side can claim it is about ethics in gaming journalism while at the same time sitting by silently as women developers are harassed and threatened for speaking on the issue.

Some ethics.

423 Bear  Oct 20, 2014 10:13:44am

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

Try $4.65 here. Stove oil $4.02

424 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 10:15:29am

re: #408 Vicious Piebola

Youtube Video

425 makeitstop  Oct 20, 2014 10:17:18am

This is absolutely surreal.

After noting that there were no Ebola frakout posts on FB this morning, I looked again and the woman who was leading the freakout last week - a good friend who I consider(ed) to be reasonably intelligent - has posted a link to a YouTube video claiming that Ebola is a hoax. Not the supposed ‘outbreak’ here, the disease itself.

All because she said she went looking and couldn’t find any images of victims bleeding from the eyes, which of course I found by doing a simple image search. I am literally sitting here shaking my head. I just can’t process this information.

426 SteveMcGazi  Oct 20, 2014 10:24:06am

As far as the players are concerned, they also know what’s happening to their teammates. It’s not the NFL’s fault the union was so weak. The league has no power to suppress any information about brain injuries. They didn’t share, they misdirected, which is undeniable. However, the league had no power to prevent anybody from investigating the issue. The players’ union could have pushed the issue and didn’t. That is not the league’s fault, that is the players’ fault. That’s why I say the players are complicit. They also have a financial interest in keeping the game fast and violent. In spite of the awareness and the adaptation of protocols, players still lead with their helmets and still try to “beat” the concussion exams.
In the case of Junior Seau, the league had no authority to prevent the examination of the player’s brain. The son was the one who prevented the examination. The league spun some ridiculous story about the unsettled science, but where was the player’s advocate to say we need this examination? I think laying all of the blame at the feet of the league is just incomplete, that’s all.

427 Kragar  Oct 20, 2014 10:25:04am

Two words that have no place belonging together

“professional” and “sports”

428 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 10:28:28am

re: #427 Kragar

Two words that have no place belonging together

“professional” and “sports”

In the NFL’s case, another that doesn’t belong: “Non-profit.”

429 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:30:04am

Wingnut thinks schools, libraries, highways, infrastructure is “dumb”

430 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 10:30:40am

Of course CCJ wont admit he’s wrong. He’ll just move the goalposts, or ignore his claim altogether.

431 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 10:33:06am

re: #430 Vogon Poetry

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Of course CCJ wont admit he’s wrong. He’ll just move the goalposts, or ignore his claim altogether.

So, is he suggesting that there’s another 17 cases getting ready to be announced today? Or in CT mode and convinced the government is hiding other cases of infection?

432 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:33:10am
433 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 10:33:18am

Two more words that don’t belong together — “Sharknado” and “politics”:

434 Vogon Poetry  Oct 20, 2014 10:34:11am

re: #429 Vicious Piebola

The dumbest meme is that taxes are theft.

And it’s one of those things that are favored by libertarians, radicals, and sovereign citizen movement. Clueless, dangerous, paranoid, and often armed.

435 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 20, 2014 10:34:32am

re: #429 Vicious Piebola

Wingnut thinks schools, libraries, highways, infrastructure is “dumb”

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Sociopathy, as it were.

436 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:34:41am

re: #433 Lidane

Two more words that don’t belong together — “Sharknado” and “politics”:

[Embedded content]

Terri Land is getting her ass kicked so hard.
HURR HURR!!! THIS IS TEH REALS WARONWOMEN!!!!!!!!

437 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:35:16am

re: #434 Vogon Poetry

The dumbest meme is that taxes are theft.

And it’s one of those things that are favored by libertarians, radicals, and sovereign citizen movement. Clueless, dangerous, paranoid, and often armed.

That’s the second dumbest meme. The dumbest meme is that taxes are slavery.

438 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:35:59am

TEH STUPIDS IT SO STRONG IN THIS ONE

439 Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2014 10:36:19am

re: #429 Vicious Piebola

Wingnut thinks schools, libraries, highways, infrastructure is “dumb”

[Embedded content]

Same morons who repeat the 1913 meme without any understanding of what America was like in 1913.

440 makeitstop  Oct 20, 2014 10:37:13am

re: #438 Vicious Piebola

TEH STUPIDS IT SO STRONG IN THIS ONE

So pro-tax people, when I take all your shit and give you your tv back, it isn’t theft. Noted.

That’s not even on the same continent as making any type of sense.

441 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 20, 2014 10:37:26am

re: #438 Vicious Piebola

TEH STUPIDS IT SO STRONG IN THIS ONE

[Embedded content]

How does one live with a non-functioning brain?

442 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 20, 2014 10:38:25am

re: #438 Vicious Piebola

Ask her who should finance the military and the police?

443 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:38:40am

re: #441 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

How does one live with a non-functioning brain?

I looked at its timeline. It’s an Ayn Rand absolutist.

444 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:39:18am

re: #442 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Ask her who should finance the military and the police?

Her response to everything is HURR HURR TEH ROADS!!!!! TEH ROADS!!!!!!

445 Kragar  Oct 20, 2014 10:39:38am
446 Varek Raith  Oct 20, 2014 10:40:27am

re: #433 Lidane

Two more words that don’t belong together — “Sharknado” and “politics”:

[Embedded content]

The hell…

447 TedStriker  Oct 20, 2014 10:41:08am

re: #429 Vicious Piebola

Wingnut thinks schools, libraries, highways, infrastructure is “dumb”

[Embedded content]

448 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:42:10am

She’s like a low-rent Janie Johnson, living in her parent’s basement instead of in her rich husband’s mansion.

449 De Kolta Chair  Oct 20, 2014 10:42:20am

re: #430 Vogon Poetry

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson

I predicted that there would be 20 #ebola infections by October 20th. There are officially 3. Was I wrong? We’ll see… Won’t we?

Stayed tuned tomorrow, same batshitcrazy time, same batshitcrazy channel!

450 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 20, 2014 10:43:51am

For some, the Free Market is some sort of ideal natural state that can and should exist on its own. The fact that it needs a legal/regulatory and physical infrastructure seems irrelevant.

And remember, corporations are legal persons, but they are not people, in fact they are collectives, mandated and allowed to exist by the very same legal infrastructure they seem to find superfluous

451 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 10:45:58am

Meanwhile, as we were all pointing & laughing in ChuckC’s direction, Ben wasn’t getting enough attentions.

452 BeachDem  Oct 20, 2014 10:47:38am

re: #449 De Kolta Chair

Stayed tuned tomorrow, same batshitcrazy time, same batshitcrazy channel!

And Doktor Zoom explains it all (in fine fashion, I might add):

Now that the first group of people to be exposed to Thomas Eric Duncan — including his fiancée and other members of his family in Dallas — have made it through their 21-day quarantine period without developing the disease themselves, you might think that maybe people might be calming down just a little bit, maybe. But then, maybe you are not a panic-mongering moron, so you may not be typical, you un-American weirdo…

Those monsters should be coming down Maple Street any minute now.

453 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 20, 2014 10:50:09am

re: #418 Vogon Poetry

-snip-

There’s no other way to sugar coat the way the league has operated re: brain injuries. No other sport requires the kind of contacts that football does - with athletes throwing their bodies at each other at mind boggling speeds, and every single play involves a direct collision.

And some of the collisions involve two 225+ lb players making contact at a combined speed of 25 - 30 MPH in today’s NFL. Such collisions occur 120+ times during a typical NFL game.

The majority of yesterday’s NFL Hall Of Famers (given their size and conditioning of the time) would not be able to play in today’s NFL. They would be too small and too slow.

454 Lidane  Oct 20, 2014 10:54:28am

455 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 20, 2014 10:56:31am

Heh

456 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 20, 2014 10:59:01am

Early voting starts today in WI. I have had the pleasure of voting for Mary Burke for Governor this noontime.

457 palomino  Oct 20, 2014 10:59:35am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Anyone who showed up at that protest with an inverted flag is a parasitic provocateur. Fuck ‘em.

Or maybe they’re citizens who realize that a lot of things ARE upside down in the US. The flag is a symbol, a piece of cloth. It’s not a person whose rights are being violated.

458 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 11:01:52am

re: #425 makeitstop

This is absolutely surreal.

After noting that there were no Ebola frakout posts on FB this morning, I looked again and the woman who was leading the freakout last week - a good friend who I consider(ed) to be reasonably intelligent - has posted a link to a YouTube video claiming that Ebola is a hoax. Not the supposed ‘outbreak’ here, the disease itself.

All because she said she went looking and couldn’t find any images of victims bleeding from the eyes, which of course I found by doing a simple image search. I am literally sitting here shaking my head. I just can’t process this information.

Person is trying to avoid admitting they were a fool. So they’ve jumped straight to denial and conspiracy theory.

459 EPR-radar  Oct 20, 2014 11:02:43am

re: #438 Vicious Piebola

I wonder what this idiot’s response would be to: “When was the last time a thief took only a set fraction of someone’s property, especially when that set fraction was enacted into law via a representative process?”

460 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 20, 2014 11:04:03am

re: #442 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Ask her who should finance the military and the police?

They’ll be expected to forage off the poor. Of course.
//

461 Vicious Piebola  Oct 20, 2014 11:05:20am

re: #459 EPR-radar

I wonder what this idiot’s response would be to: “When was the last time a thief took only a set fraction of someone’s property, especially when that set fraction was enacted into law via a representative process?”

HURR HURR!!!! TEH ROADS, TEH ROADS!!!!!!

462 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 20, 2014 11:05:57am

re: #460 Feline Fearless Leader

They’ll be expected to forage off the poor. Of course.
//

That seemed to be the operational plan in Ferguson MO

RBS

463 makeitstop  Oct 20, 2014 11:06:12am

re: #458 Feline Fearless Leader

Person is trying to avoid admitting they were a fool. So they’ve jumped straight to denial and conspiracy theory.

I guess so. Kinda sad to watch.

464 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 20, 2014 11:06:41am

re: #447 TedStriker

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People like that make me wish we had Heinlein’s Coventry that they could all be sent to live in.

Wonder how long they’d last?

465 KiTA  Oct 20, 2014 11:07:19am

re: #458 Feline Fearless Leader

Person is trying to avoid admitting they were a fool. So they’ve jumped straight to denial and conspiracy theory.

In a way I wish someone would start doing constructive work with this sort of thing — in preparation of this jump, people should start creating anti-conspiracy theories, like a controlled burn or Backburn or whatever the proper term is.

“DIdn’t you hear, the Ebola coverage was hyped up by FOX NEWS to get advertising money to help spread a CORPORATE AGENDA.”

I.e., conspiracy theories that are actually truth — but presented in that oddball conspiracy theory format that seems to cause some sort of glitch in the human logic receptors.

466 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 20, 2014 11:18:50am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Anyone who showed up at that protest with an inverted flag is a parasitic provocateur. Fuck ‘em.

Why though? Isn’t this merely a sign of distress rather than disrespect?

467 Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2014 11:25:41am

re: #466 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Why though? Isn’t this merely a sign of distress rather than disrespect?

It’s waving a red flag in front of the bulls. The community’s very valid outrage about police brutality was vitiated when a small number of professional outragists started their crap. The moral high ground and appeal to the national conscience is valuable, and it was lost.

468 palomino  Oct 20, 2014 11:25:49am

re: #375 SteveMcGazi

From rockcenter.nbcnews.com

“‘People who think of concussions as only being present mostly in guys and mostly in the sport of football are just plain wrong,’ said Dr. Bob Cantu, who is chairman of the surgery division and the director of sports medicine at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass. ‘Soccer is right at the top of the list for girls.’

With the steady popularity of youth soccer, more girls are playing the game than ever before. Girls make up 48 percent of the more than 3 million kids registered in US Youth Soccer leagues.

Cantu said that the country is in the midst of ‘a concussion crisis’ and that studies show girls are reporting nearly twice as many concussions as boys in the sports they both play.”

I don’t think he’s talking about 300 pound girls. Besides, if you knew so much about sports you would know that most (edit) people (edit) football players weigh less than 300#.

As I said, the concussion problem in soccer needs to be addressed.

And I did not say that all football players weigh 300 pounds. But quite a few of them weigh well over 300. And the average is over 250.

Again, banging heads is not an inherent part of soccer. It is absolutely unavoidable, OTOH, in football. The NFL has instituted stricter rules for the most flagrant hits, but it’s still an essential part of the game and occurs in one form or another on nearly every play.

What causes CTE is usually not merely a few concussions. It’s actually the thousands of “micro-concussions” that players sustain over decades of playing, starting at a young age and extending through a pro career. Very similar to what happens to boxers. You should check out “League of Denial”. The NFL knew for years about these problems and essentially sat on the findings because it might be bad for business.

469 De Kolta Chair  Oct 20, 2014 11:43:52am

re: #452 BeachDem

“Spidey face palm sense tingling…”


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