Christie Caves: New Jersey to Release Quarantined Nurse to Home Quarantine

By Ashley Fantz CNN
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It’s sad that a 5 yr old might have the disease, but there’s some good news here : it appears that Christie has caved on Quarantine, and that Kaci Hickox will be released despite the atavistic anti-science fear of the GOP grandstander.

A 5-year-old boy with a fever who recently returned from Ebola-stricken West Africa is being tested for the deadly virus at New York City’s Bellevue Hospital Center, Dr. Ram Raju told CNN on Monday.

Also on Monday, a nurse who was quarantined after returning to New Jersey from Sierra Leone on Friday was ordered released.

More: New Jersey to Release Quarantined Nurse

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93 comments

1 Tigger2  Oct 27, 2014 7:32:39am

The hand wringing fear mongering coward Teabaggers aren’t going to like that.

2 b_sharp  Oct 27, 2014 7:43:32am

re: #1 Tigger2

The hand wringing fear mongering coward Teabagers aren’t going to like that.

They’re still upset Americans are going to Africa to help out.

3 Lidane  Oct 27, 2014 7:46:02am

re: #2 Dead Tired

They’re still upset Americans are going to Africa to help out.

They’re even more upset that those Americans have the nerve to come back.

4 Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2014 7:47:20am

Well, I guess we now have to wait for Chucky to awake from his hangover to tell us just how much Christie hates the health of the people of New Jersey.

5 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 27, 2014 7:51:42am

One of Christie’s staffers told him that she was consuming 1/8,899,339th of the available food in NJ so she had to go.

6 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 27, 2014 7:52:46am

I guess we can count on Chuck C. Journalist to make the nurse’s home address available because You can’t argue that he has Broke all the stories!!!!

7 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 7:53:50am

As the days tick on, the fact is that for all those doctors and nurses who have returned to the states after working in West Africa only one has come down with Ebola, and that was after alerting health authorities of the temperature he was self-reporting. The NYC response was appropriate to quarantine him and use precautions.

Kaci Hickox never showed any symptoms and has tested negative so far. There was no reason to quarantine her in the heavy-handed fashion NJ did - she could accomplish the same goal with self-reporting and regular contact with local health authorities.

The Texas situation was different - the hospital screwed up, and infection protocols in the hospital were not followed and insufficient gear was on hand for the staff who had direct and close contact with the victim there.

As it is, while there’s a possibility that staff who treated any of the two nurses or Dr. Spencer could develop Ebola in coming weeks, as each day passes, the reality is that we see just how hard it is to get Ebola when proper infection control protocols are followed and that even when someone is actively symptomatic, unless you come into direct control, you’re not going to get Ebola.

Want to stop the outbreak? Send more resources to Africa. Bolster the MSF/DWB contingent. Send a proportionate number of doctors to what Cuba has done (they’ve sent 461 doctors and nurses so far, and 15,000 health experts have volunteered to go).

If more countries with the necessary medical infrastructure can send health experts, the sooner the disease can come under control and the mortality rate can be brought down swiftly - it’s the lack of swift identification and treatment for dehydration that makes the difference between outcomes inside and outside Africa.

And if countries and governments follow the NY or NJ example, fewer health professionals will volunteer to go and stop the outbreak due to the time constraints - spending as much or more time in quarantine than helping stop the outbreak.

An analogy to deep sea scuba diving feels appropriate here - where you might spend 15 minutes at the bottom, but several hours coming back up to the surface, or even hours or days in decompression facilities to avoid getting the bends. With Ebola, if a doctor has a month to donate for their time, they’d end up having to spend 3 weeks of it in quarantine. Those are vital days and weeks that the victims in West Africa don’t have as the disease continues spreading.

8 b_sharp  Oct 27, 2014 7:55:00am

re: #3 Lidane

They’re even more upset that those Americans have the nerve to come back.

I have trouble understanding their isolationist attitude when it comes to disease in a world where the movement of people is ubiquitous. That they don’t see the best place to attack the disease is at its source I find puzzling. I would have thought their insatiable desire for ‘common sense’ would tell them Africa is where it needs to be stopped.

Sigh.

Critical thinking is not priority of theirs and they want to kill what is being taught in the public system by adding creationism or home schooling.

SMFH.

9 b_sharp  Oct 27, 2014 7:59:03am

re: #7 Vogon Poetry

Your sense making is frightening.

I see many, many RWNJs hiding, mostly under rocks, from your words of wisdom.

I hope you add a disclaimer to your tweets so you don’t get sued for ‘sploding’ rwnj heads.

10 lostlakehiker  Oct 27, 2014 7:59:08am

So now, the remaining question is how long it will take before the atavistic anti-science fear subsides in Illinois.

11 Lidane  Oct 27, 2014 8:00:34am

re: #10 lostlakehiker

So now, the remaining question is how long it will take before the atavistic anti-science fear subsides in Illinois.

Just watch — Ebola will disappear after the midterm elections. Once politicians don’t have to pander to the drooling morons who think that they can get Ebola if someone sneezes on them, the CDC and WHO will suddenly go back to being competent authorities that people should listen to.

12 Mattand  Oct 27, 2014 8:02:46am

re: #9 Dead Tired

Your sense making is frightening.

I see many, many RWNJs hiding, mostly under rocks, from your words of wisdom.

I hope you add a disclaimer to your tweets so you don’t get sued for ‘sploding’ rwnj heads.

Allow me to be the first:

Youtube Video

13 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 27, 2014 8:03:20am
14 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 8:03:39am

BTW, is anyone else finding a number of major sites running slow this morning (Google - including google.com, news.google.com, etc., Addthis API, etc?) Getting a lot of spinning hamsters, but LGF and other sites seem to be just fine.

15 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 8:04:26am

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

16 bill d  Oct 27, 2014 8:07:10am

re: #15 Vogon Poetry

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They’re not private citizens plus they are getting paid while in quarantine. I expect this to be the wingnut mantra for a while though.

17 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 27, 2014 8:07:21am

re: #11 Lidane

Just watch — Ebola will disappear after the midterm elections. Once politicians don’t have to pander to the drooling morons who think that they can get Ebola if someone sneezes on them, the CDC and WHO will suddenly go back to being competent authorities that people should listen to underfunded.

18 Mattand  Oct 27, 2014 8:07:27am

I heard this on KYW radio about an hour ago. I’m glad we’re reversing course on this. What was interesting was that KYW reported it as NJ Dept of Health changing their minds, not Christie.

I have to wonder what’s going on behind the scenes. Did the Dept. of Health spine up and tell Christie, “You’re not a doctor, back off”; or did Christie, in a rare moment of admitting a mistake, give the order himself?

Of course, if the latter did happen, no one will hear about until years from now. Also, there’s the idea of Christie admitting to a mistake. The Jersey Devil gets sighted more than that.

19 withak  Oct 27, 2014 8:09:47am

CCJ blows the story WIDE OPEN with the five-year-old’s preschool transcripts. Did he really get put in time-out four times in one week? DEVELOPING…

20 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 8:11:02am

re: #16 bill d

There were modifications to the NY/NJ quarantines overnight that included the states picking up the salaries for those periods while the quarantine continued, but self-reporting and home isolation/self identification is better course of action.

Since the Duncan case and the two nurses who were caring for Duncan, no other cases of transmission in US. With proper protocols followed strictly, we can protect the public and other health workers from exposure.

That’s how you stop this outbreak. We need to apply the same methods over in West Africa. We need to make it easier for people to donate their time and effort directly in West Africa, not making it more difficult as NY and NJ were doing (and for which several other states were contemplating the same).

21 KingKenrod  Oct 27, 2014 8:11:13am

More lies from Chuck. SIM and Samaritan’s Purse ask their workers to avoid the public when they return, but both specifically say quarantines like the one used in NY/NJ are bad.

For three weeks after arriving in the U.S., each volunteer from Samaritan’s Purse is told to follow the same three-foot “no touch” rule they had in West Africa. They are told not to use public transportation or visit with family or friends, though the group could not impose legal restrictions on their staff members.

The organization’s vice president Ken Isaacs warned that a quarantine should not turn into “locking people up in the compound,” which he said would deter Americans from helping to fight Ebola in West Africa.

“The word quarantine sends chills down my spine,” he said. “We have to find a balance. The disease needs to be fought in West Africa, it needs to be beaten there or it’s going to continue leaking out.”
Link

SIM provides a private residence for returning workers, but not for quarantine - it’s to keep their workers safe from creeps like Chuck Johnson:

In a Monday interview, SIM USA President Bruce Johnson said the returnees are all healthy and will stay as long as they need to relax after the long plane flight and steer clear of the media limelight.

“The issue is privacy, it’s not quarantine,” Johnson said.
Link

22 Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2014 8:11:57am

re: #18 Mattand

I heard this on KYW radio about an hour ago. I’m glad we’re reversing course on this. What was interesting was that KYW reported it as NJ Dept of Health changing their minds. not Christie.

I have to wonder what’s going on behind the scenes. Did the Dept. of Health spine up and tell Christie, “You’re not a doctor, back off”; or did Christie, in a rare moment of admitting a mistake, give the order himself?

Of course, if the latter did happen, no one will hear about until years from now. Also, there’s the idea of Christie admitting to a mistake. The Jersey Devil gets sighted more than that.

Think it’s more a matter of Ms. Hickox threatening to sue. Forcing her into quarantine when she might have been infected and/or symptomatic could be swung as “medically necessary” and thus within the limits of the government’s power. Now that she’s repeatedly tested negative and remains asymptomatic, the state’s open to liability and that could mean a hefty settlement for her as well as egg in Christie’s face at a time when he can least afford it. By passing her off to Maine but saying she’s still under quarantine, he can claim he never backed down.

23 b_sharp  Oct 27, 2014 8:14:55am

re: #14 Vogon Poetry

BTW, is anyone else finding a number of major sites running slow this morning (Google - including google.com, news.google.com, etc., Addthis API, etc?) Getting a lot of spinning hamsters, but LGF and other sites seem to be just fine.

What are you feeding your hamsters?

24 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2014 8:17:10am

re: #15 Vogon Poetry

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

Oh boy here we go. Soldiers can’t object on the news networks. For all the nut jobs will go nuts again, I bet the military has the ability to handle this sensibly and professionally. Civilians don’t plan for incoming warheads with poison or infectious agents.

25 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 8:19:51am

CCJ is fabricating BS once again.

DWB/MSF has been keen to keep the outbreak from spreading, and has been following protocols for returning doctors. They’ve had to adjust them when countries and states have changed their rules on the fly too.

As all throughout the Ebola crisis in West Africa, Doctors Without Borders has enacted strict protocols governing the return of its health workers to their home countries. We act in full compliance with official public health regulations. Earlier this week, we adjusted our protocols for returned staff, in accordance with new US federal guidelines. We have every intention of complying with any new protocols.

The doctor was asymptomatic, and self reported the fever, getting the necessary precautions and health authorities involved. Chuck is going on about MSF - and not for the first time. He was spreading noxious claims about MSF over the weekend too. He was spreading the rumor that MSF was behind the spread of Ebola, which is something all the charities and medical teams have been dealing with in West Africa. All have had to overcome the stigma of the disease which many over there see as a death sentence.

Fact is that if modern medical tactics and gear can be brought to bear against Ebola in West Africa, the survival rate will improve, and we could get a handle on the outbreak. Instead, Chuck is spreading noxious claims that will undermine those efforts.

He’s putting lives in danger - overseas and here in the US through his thoroughly misguided utterances.

26 Mattand  Oct 27, 2014 8:26:25am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Think it’s more a matter of Ms. Hickox threatening to sue. Forcing her into quarantine when she might have been infected and/or symptomatic could be swung as “medically necessary” and thus within the limits of the government’s power. Now that she’s repeatedly tested negative and remains asymptomatic, the state’s open to liability and that could mean a hefty settlement for her as well as egg in Christie’s face at a time when he can least afford it. By passing her off to Maine but saying she’s still under quarantine, he can claim he never backed down.

I realize a lot of this is Politics 101, but still; I cannot stress how much I detest having this guy as my governor.

27 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 27, 2014 8:27:00am

Meanwhile in Hawaii lava is heading toward some neighborhoods…

28 missliberties  Oct 27, 2014 8:30:46am

What this tells me is that the threat in Africa of the disease getting out of control and spreading to Asia, India and other nations that won’t be able to cope as well as the US is incredibly serious.

What is the most important resource in squasing the spread of Ebola. Selfless health professionals who volunteer to take risks treating this by traveling to ground zero of the epidemic. It they aren’t sick, don’t put them in a tent.

29 Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2014 8:30:51am

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

Meanwhile in Hawaii lava is heading toward some neighborhoods…

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Alright, who pissed off the gods this time?

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30 JustMark  Oct 27, 2014 8:31:14am

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

Meanwhile in Hawaii lava is heading toward some neighborhoods…

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Pele is pissed!

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2014 8:32:24am

And CCJ keeps insisting that taxpayers are on the hook for ebola costs.
He just keeps making shit up.

32 Lidane  Oct 27, 2014 8:34:09am
33 Vicious Piebola  Oct 27, 2014 8:34:23am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

And CCJ keeps insisting that taxpayers are on the hook for ebola costs.
He just keeps making shit up.

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I believe Thomas Duncan would not have died if the first hospital he went to didn’t send him away for not having insurance.

34 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 27, 2014 8:34:32am

re: #29 Targetpractice

Alright, who pissed off the gods this time?

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they ran out of virgins to sacrifice

35 Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2014 8:35:59am

re: #33 Vicious Piebola

I believe Thomas Duncan would not have died if the first hospital he went to didn’t send him away for not having insurance.

I can’t say it’s a certainty he would have lived, but the odds of his recovery would certainly have improved greatly. Instead, the two day wait likely did irreparable damage to his organs and thus sealed his fate.

36 Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2014 8:36:14am

Wonkette has an opinion:

If We Could Quarantine Stupid, New Jersey Wouldn’t Have A Governor

wonkette.com

37 Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2014 8:36:39am
re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

And CCJ keeps insisting that taxpayers are on the hook for ebola costs.
He just keeps making shit up.

The best part about Obama & #ebola is that insurance companies don’t cover it.

— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson) October 27, 2014

WTF does this even mean?

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2014 8:36:47am

re: #33 Vicious Piebola

I believe Thomas Duncan would not have died if the first hospital he went to didn’t send him away for not having insurance.

true, but CCJ is saying that insurance companies won’t cover it.

39 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 8:38:36am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s blowing it out of his ass.

Insurers wont cover experimental treatments or investigational treatments, but that’s standard for insurers for everything from cancer to diabetes. They might not even cover off-label use, but that’s up to the insurers.

But they will cover the costs in hospital, up to whatever the policies cover (like if there’s a 90/70 coverage, and you’re in network, the insurer will cover 90% of the costs for the hospitalization, but cover 70% if out of network). Etc.

He’s just making things up as he goes along.

40 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 8:40:51am

re: #32 Lidane

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So sick of these primitive fuckers. So sick of them. And what really gets me is these right wing fuckers who whine about government being involved in things like health care and education have no problem when it’s involved in things like gay marriage or what women choose to do with their bodies. This is a truly repugnant ideology that they have and it makes me sick to know that they could well be controlling the Senate for Obama’s final two years.

41 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 8:41:39am
42 withak  Oct 27, 2014 8:43:46am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

If insurance companies don’t cover it, doesn’t this mean that the actual Ebola patient would be on the hook, which is exactly what Free Market Chuck would want?

I are confusd.

43 Vicious Piebola  Oct 27, 2014 8:44:21am

I’d like to see O’Keefe actually try this, but his handlers are too cheap to provide the Benjamins.

44 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 8:45:51am

re: #43 Vicious Piebola

I’d like to see O’Keefe actually try this, but his handlers are too cheap to provide the Benjamins.

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Why, yes voter fraud does exist cons. You’re the ones who get arrested committing it.

45 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 8:47:17am

But really the second I read “libtard”, I know immediately I’m dealing with someone who is obviously unintelligent and believes that the Dixiecrats were left wing because they were Democrats.

46 Eventual Carrion  Oct 27, 2014 8:48:00am

re: #33 Vicious Piebola

I believe Thomas Duncan would not have died if the first hospital he went to didn’t send him away for not having insurance.

And how many others do we lose a day to other ailments for the same reason.

47 garzooma  Oct 27, 2014 8:48:23am

You people clearly just don’t get how the American public makes health decisions. So I’ve prepared the following helpful chart for you to memorize. There will be a test.
Health Decision Matrix for the US Public

48 Vicious Piebola  Oct 27, 2014 8:49:02am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

But really the second I read “libtard”, I know immediately I’m dealing with someone who is obviously unintelligent and believes that the Dixiecrats were left wing because they were Democrats.

I blocked & muted that guy but other wingnuts MT his crap

49 Eventual Carrion  Oct 27, 2014 8:53:45am

This one kinda weirds me out.

50 Stanley Seabola  Oct 27, 2014 8:54:23am

So the server is down & therefore I can’t do any work.

Started to watch the Walking Dead - I usually save it for Monday night.

NO FUCKING WAY, it’s wayyyy to early in the morning. Hit exit so damn fast.

51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 27, 2014 8:55:25am

Phyllis Schlafly Blames Immigration for Breakdown of US Family

Latinos tend to have a strong sense of family, and a strong sense of community. Which also means a sense of value in schools and other public institutions.

Which means that they have very little use for the modern GOP.

52 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 27, 2014 8:58:24am

re:
#51

In her new book, “Who Killed the American Family?”, the 90-year-old founder of the conservative family organization Eagle Forum says immigration is harming the family unit.

Family. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

53 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2014 8:58:59am

re: #49 Eventual Carrion

This one kinda weirds me out.

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That’s it they will be the next dominant species on earth. All that sci fi about making talk or smarter. All they need is thumbs and it’s over.

54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 27, 2014 8:59:31am

re: #52 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)

re:
#51

Family. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

To her it means a mother at home raising children and a father out working. Period.

55 gwangung  Oct 27, 2014 8:59:31am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Phyllis Schlafly Blames Immigration for Breakdown of US Family

Latinos tend to have a strong sense of family, and a strong sense of community. Which also means a sense of value in schools and other public institutions.

Which means that they have very little use for the modern GOP.

Asian families do, as well.

Hispanic and Asian families make up a LARGE portion of immigration.

56 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 27, 2014 9:01:41am

re: #43 Vicious Piebola

How much would you like to bet that if Donald Trump parked in a winger neighborhood and told everyone to lick his boots that the line to do so wouldn’t at least stretch around the block?

57 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 9:02:06am

re: #55 gwangung

Asian families do, as well.

Hispanic and Asian families make up a LARGE portion of immigration.

Yep. And honestly it’s quite telling to me that ole Phyillis still gets invited to events like CPAC and VVS. She was a bitter old witch in the 70’s. She’s still a bitter old witch now in the mid 10’s. People like her really are the poster children for everything wrong with conservatism in this country. American conservatism has always been arguably a flawed ideology but with people like Schalfry leading the charge, it has become an ideology of exclusion and resentment of the “other.” Anyone who isn’t a conservative white Christian is viewed with suspicion because conservative white Christians think they’re the only ones in our society that have moral values.

58 Ace-o-aces  Oct 27, 2014 9:05:13am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

And CCJ keeps insisting that taxpayers are on the hook for ebola costs.
He just keeps making shit up.

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59 Ace-o-aces  Oct 27, 2014 9:09:31am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

To her it means a mother at home raising children and a father out working. Period.

Well, in her case is means hiring someone to raise your children while your traveling the country telling other women they need to stay at home.

60 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 9:23:05am

The NY Post does its part to spread noxious claims. They claim a source told them that there was an “extraordinary” number of nurses and other staff who called in sick after Dr. Spencer was brought to Bellevue and was confirmed to have Ebola.

The hospital and HHC, which operates hospitals across NYC, denied that there was any such sickout.

Dr. Craig Spencer is being treated by nurses working in teams of two, “with one serving as a buddy watching the other,” said Health and Hospitals Corporation spokeswoman Ana Marengo, who denied there was a sickout.

61 Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2014 9:24:02am
62 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 9:26:40am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

She’s such a despicable “human”:

Ingraham: Diseases Are Coming Into This Country “Because We Have Barack Obama As President”

Oh really? Funny how Reagan didn’t get any of the blame for literally sitting on his ass during the AIDS epidemic but then again Reagan could sacrifice a child on television and wingnuts like ingraham would applaud it since Reagan is their lord and savior.

63 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 9:28:16am

re: #59 Ace-o-aces

Well, in her case is means hiring someone to raise your children while your traveling the country telling other women they need to stay at home.

That’s what has always amused me about her. Her whole thing is WOMEN NEED TO BE MOTHERS AND NOT LEAVE THE HOME. And it’s like uh Phyillis, you have spent a half century now outside your home putting women down who work outside the home. She’s a sad hypocrite. The anti-feminist who if she truly lived what she preached would be a nobody housewife. There’s a reason why we haven’t heard of Mr. Schalfry.

64 BeachDem  Oct 27, 2014 9:29:38am

And Charles P. Pierce puts it quite simply, as always:

And as long as there has been epidemic disease, and as long as there has been panic, there have been human beings who have the right combination of rancid ambition and foul cowardice who come into the government and seek advantage from the panic and, therefore, from the epidemic disease itself. There have always been human beings who are heroes in the face of epidemic disease. And there have always been slaves to their own worst instincts.

Kaci Hickox, meet Chris Christie.

Kaci Hickox, meet the inexcusable Andrew Cuomo.

Kaci Hickox, meet the know-nothing poltroons of the American conservative movement.

Kaci Hickox, meet the bland, desperate inmates of the mainstream media.

The Red State gang and the rest of them can’t help themselves. It’s like asking camels not to spit.

CNN can’t help itself because it already has fired up the logo and the doomy music. Sorry, Malaysian Airlines 370. You’re on your own now, wherever you are.

But Cuomo and Christie could help themselves…

65 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 9:30:41am

re: #64 BeachDem

And Charles P. Pierce puts it quite simply, as always:

And as long as there has been epidemic disease, and as long as there has been panic, there have been human beings who have the right combination of rancid ambition and foul cowardice who come into the government and seek advantage from the panic and, therefore, from the epidemic disease itself. There have always been human beings who are heroes in the face of epidemic disease. And there have always been slaves to their own worst instincts.

Kaci Hickox, meet Chris Christie.

Kaci Hickox, meet the inexcusable Andrew Cuomo.

Kaci Hickox, meet the know-nothing poltroons of the American conservative movement.

Kaci Hickox, meet the bland, desperate inmates of the mainstream media.

The Red State gang and the rest of them can’t help themselves. It’s like asking camels not to spit.

CNN can’t help itself because it already has fired up the logo and the doomy music. Sorry, Malaysian Airlines 370. You’re on your own now, wherever you are.

But Cuomo and Christie could help themselves…

Yep, this is right on.

66 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 27, 2014 9:32:24am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

She’s such a despicable “human”:

Ingraham: Diseases Are Coming Into This Country “Because We Have Barack Obama As President”

I will not listen to a Laura Ingraham audio. Fingernails on blackboards have nothing on her.

I wish Media Matters provided transcripts the way RWW does.

67 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 9:33:24am

OBAMA IS LETTING INFECTIOUS DISEASES INTO THE COUNTRY. From the people who back a party and ideology that wants to cut funding that would go to working on a vaccine for said disease. American conservatism isn’t really an ideology anymore. All it is at this point is bitching about “the government” and anything Obama does. If Obama’s for it, they’re against it. If Obama’s against it, they’re for it. It’s not an ideology that requires real thought but they just know that they and their base hate Obama more than they actually like anything and they know that they have no solutions. Just bitter hate because they can’t accept the fact that the American people have twice given Barack Obama over 50% of the vote and that they didn’t embrace the twin losers of McCain and Romney.

68 Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2014 9:38:07am

re: #66 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I will not listen to a Laura Ingraham audio. Fingernails on blackboards have nothing on her.

I wish Media Matters provided transcripts the way RWW does.

Her and Mark Levin have the worst radio voices ever.

69 BeachDem  Oct 27, 2014 9:39:00am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Yep, this is right on.

And Andy Borowitz has the satirical side down:

Saying that he was “sick and tired of having his medical credentials questioned,” Governor Chris Christie (R-N.J.) had himself sworn in as a medical doctor on Sunday night…

“I can usually diagnose someone with Ebola in under a minute,” Dr. Christie said. “Even faster if I don’t actually see them.”…

“We’re used to hearing that the nurses and doctors who treat Ebola patients are heroes,” he said. “But the real heroes are the people who lock up those heroes.”

70 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 9:40:44am

re: #69 BeachDem

And Andy Borowitz has the satirical side down:

Saying that he was “sick and tired of having his medical credentials questioned,” Governor Chris Christie (R-N.J.) had himself sworn in as a medical doctor on Sunday night…

“I can usually diagnose someone with Ebola in under a minute,” Dr. Christie said. “Even faster if I don’t actually see them.”…

“We’re used to hearing that the nurses and doctors who treat Ebola patients are heroes,” he said. “But the real heroes are the people who lock up those heroes.”

I like him. A good satirist.

71 Kafitrar  Oct 27, 2014 9:47:32am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

That’s what has always amused me about her. Her whole thing is WOMEN NEED TO BE MOTHERS AND NOT LEAVE THE HOME. And it’s like uh Phyillis, you have spent a half century now outside your home putting women down who work outside the home. She’s a sad hypocrite. The anti-feminist who if she truly lived what she preached would be a nobody housewife. There’s a reason why we haven’t heard of Mr. Schalfry.

Her and Beverly LaHaye, chair of the Concerned Women of America. Women whose job it is to tell women not to get jobs.

72 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 9:50:34am

re: #71 Kafitrar

Her and Beverly LaHaye, chair of the Concerned Women of America. Women whose job it is to tell women not to get jobs.

Yep. The Madeline Albright about a special place in hell for women who put down other women quote applies well to both of em.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2014 9:51:49am

Please, keep talking governor…

74 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2014 9:52:27am

Well just got a very nice surprise. Amazon says my pre ordered Canon EOS 7D II will ship in time for Halloween instead of the end of November. Laughing at myself, I was thinking the thing would ship late not early.

75 Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2014 9:54:50am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please, keep talking governor…

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So yeah, just what I figured. By announcing that she’s still “under quarantine” despite being released to Maine, he can claim that he didn’t reverse himself while still dropping the hot potato.

76 Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2014 9:56:52am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Will Christie talk to nurse. “Listen, I have no reason to talk to her. My job is not to represent her. My job is to represent people of NJ.”

— Michael Barbaro (@mikiebarb) October 27, 2014

AH, so “Presidential” of him.

77 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 9:58:19am

Obesity is a multibillion dollar health crisis affecting millions of people on a daily basis. Diet and exercise and all manner of efforts to reduce obesity is big business.

Study, let alone efforts to find a cure for Ebola, which until this year has affected a few thousand people worldwide ever, has been low on the order of priorities.

St. Reagan didn’t prioritize Ebola. Nor did GHWB. Nor Clinton. GWB saw increases, but only in light of a potential use as a bioterror weapon. Now, we’re getting Heritage to complain about money being spent on obesity versus Ebola?

It’s hard to take the right seriously when they put this claptrap together - even when the point that we don’t take preparedness seriously (they’re right about that - and it’s because people are a poor judge of risks).

78 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 9:58:59am

re: #74 Rightwingconspirator

Oooohhh.. Shiny!

79 Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2014 10:01:45am

re: #77 Vogon Poetry

And these are the same people who relentlessly advocate slashing the budgets of the CDC and the NIH and the NSF. The hypocrisy, it burns.

80 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 27, 2014 10:02:02am

re:
#73

Imagine Hillary or Obama saying these things. We would be soldout of fainting couches and clutching pearls in minutes.

81 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2014 10:06:31am

re: #78 Vogon Poetry

Oooohhh.. Shiny!

And bought through the LGF associate program BTW.

82 sagehen  Oct 27, 2014 10:12:28am

re: #15 Vogon Poetry

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It’s not “isolation” if they’re all together.

83 lawhawk  Oct 27, 2014 10:13:27am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

And these are the same people who relentlessly advocate slashing the budgets of the CDC and the NIH and the NSF. The hypocrisy, it burns.

Same as the whole fact that Obamacare was originally a plan proffered by Heritage folks coming up with an alternative to Hillarycare. The plan as enacted in the ACA is very much like the plan that Heritage supported, but they now oppose it on grounds it’s somehow unconstitutional (which they didn’t seem to think was an issue when they proposed it originally).

It’s all situational politics; whatever they can do to maximize support, and facts and logic be damned.

84 Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2014 10:14:40am

re: #81 Rightwingconspirator

And bought through the LGF associate program BTW.

Thank you very much!

85 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 27, 2014 10:14:58am

re: #77 Vogon Poetry

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Obesity is a multibillion dollar health crisis affecting millions of people on a daily basis. Diet and exercise and all manner of efforts to reduce obesity is big business.

We have a food industry that has not at all concerned with health and a health care industry that is not at all concerned about nutrition. Go figure.

86 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 10:16:05am

Heritage can kiss my ass. As Charles said, tehse guys are the first to scream for health care budget cuts but because they’re skeered of Ebola, now it’s time to spend. Fuck them seriously.

87 sagehen  Oct 27, 2014 10:16:14am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

That’s what has always amused me about her. Her whole thing is WOMEN NEED TO BE MOTHERS AND NOT LEAVE THE HOME. And it’s like uh Phyillis, you have spent a half century now outside your home putting women down who work outside the home. She’s a sad hypocrite. The anti-feminist who if she truly lived what she preached would be a nobody housewife. There’s a reason why we haven’t heard of Mr. Schalfry.

Ms Schlafley also tells us that nobody’s born gay, they become gay as a result of bad parenting, and it’s totally out of bounds to take notice that her son is gay she’s not going to discuss personal matters shut up.

88 Ace-o-aces  Oct 27, 2014 10:16:37am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

And these are the same people who relentlessly advocate slashing the budgets of the CDC and the NIH and the NSF. The hypocrisy, it burns.

89 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2014 10:16:40am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Thank you very much!

My pleasure.

90 HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2014 10:18:15am

re: #87 sagehen

Ms Schlafley also tells us that nobody’s born gay, they become gay as a result of bad parenting, and it’s totally out of bounds to take notice that her son is gay she’s not going to discuss personal matters shut up.

So in otherwords, she’s a typical conservative who wants to point fingers at other people but gets pissed if you point out her own hypocrisy. I feel so bad for her son or really any of her children. Being raised by her must have been a nightmare. There’s not a loving bone in that woman’s body.

91 Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2014 10:18:32am

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We have a food industry that has not at all concerned with health and a health care industry that is not at all concerned about nutrition. Go figure.

No money made in cures, but plenty to be made in palliative care. The food industry in particular has made a science out of conning people into eating unhealthy food through deceptive advertising.

92 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 27, 2014 10:28:57am

re: #68 Dr. Matt

Her and Mark Levin have the worst radio voices ever.

Haven’t heard Levin, but I’ll make sure to avoid him.

93 lostlakehiker  Oct 27, 2014 2:43:03pm

re: #20 Vogon Poetry

There were modifications to the NY/NJ quarantines overnight that included the states picking up the salaries for those periods while the quarantine continued, but self-reporting and home isolation/self identification is better course of action.

Since the Duncan case and the two nurses who were caring for Duncan, no other cases of transmission in US. With proper protocols followed strictly, we can protect the public and other health workers from exposure.

That’s how you stop this outbreak. We need to apply the same methods over in West Africa. We need to make it easier for people to donate their time and effort directly in West Africa, not making it more difficult as NY and NJ were doing (and for which several other states were contemplating the same).

Thing is, proper protocols weren’t even in place for the Dallas case. CDC has had to revise them because experience showed that what worked in Africa, where desperate and desperately risky measures were not attempted, didn’t work in Dallas, where they were.

The other thing is, it turns out it’s not so easy to follow proper protocols strictly when last-ditch care is included in the mix. Veterans who have trained for just this do great. Beginners (at treating Ebola) who haven’t find that it isn’t easy to get everything right first time every time. That’s why we’re moving in the US to treating Ebola patients at a few centers where we do have these top-string veterans, the ones who have all the best equipment and lots of practice with it.

Protecting the public is the easier part. Most likely, contact tracing etc. will suffice. While the epidemic rages in Africa, there will almost inevitably be a trickle of people arriving here who are already infected but not yet symptomatic. With some skill, and any luck at all, we can get these people to self monitor and to report for testing if they develop any symptoms. This is greatly to their own advantage as well as ours, after all.

And if somehow somebody comes here and lies about their exposure or doesn’t recognize they’ve been exposed, then gets sick, still can’t admit to themselves that they have it, and if then somebody else gets sick too, well, then we can play the quarantine card.

Protecting the health care workers is the harder part. They cannot just keep their distance. They have work to do. But as long as there are very few cases, we can put our top teams on those cases and they’ll get it right.


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