Jim Hoft Repeats the Right Wing Lie of the Week: That Nurse Kaci Hickox Hid Her CDC Job

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Here we go again, as the Dumbest Man on the Internet, the inestimable Jim Hoft, takes the ball of lies inflated by Chuck C. Johnson and runs with it: BREAKING: Ebola Nurse’s Ties to CDC Scrubbed From Website - Is Far Left Progressive & Obama Supporter | the Gateway Pundit.

(Ever notice that everything is always “breaking” at Hoft’s idiotic site?)

Hoft is calling nurse Kaci Hickox a “far left progressive” because she registered as a Democrat and supported Obama for President. Which makes more than half the country “far left progressives” in Jim’s benighted brain.

But what he’s really trying to sell in this typically deceptive post is that Hickox is trying to hide her employment at the CDC. Why would anyone do that? It’s a good thing to work for the CDC, not a bad thing. But in the universe of the DMOTI, everything becomes a conspiracy.

Hoft makes a big deal out of the fact that Ms Hickox deleted her LinkedIn account. And it’s true, she did. Now why would she do that?

The answer is appallingly obvious: because people like Jim Hoft and Chuck C. Johnson and their legion of mouth-breathing swivel-eyed loons are stealing her photos and scouring her Internet history for something to twist and distort and smear her with.

So Kaci Hickox deleted her LinkedIn account to protect herself against these horrible people’s dishonest attacks — and then they dishonestly attack her for deleting it.

I’d advise any health worker, especially those who work with the CDC or Doctors Without Borders, to delete their social media accounts, at least until this craziness subsides. Right wingers are stalking them, and they have a right to protect themselves as much as possible.

Hoft also repeats Chuck C. Johnson’s outright lie that Hickox didn’t disclose her CDC connection in her op-ed for the Dallas Morning News, which we already showed was completely false; in fact, it was disclosed in the very first paragraph of that article, and it’s also been disclosed in many other places.

Nobody is trying to hide this. But right wing bloggers are flat out lying about it, because they know the dumbed-down masses of Fox News viewers won’t even bother to check before spreading the lies.

Also see
Left-Wing Nurse Knows Too Much About Ebola to Have Opinions About Ebola | Wonkette

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212 comments
1 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 10:32:16am
2 nines09  Oct 28, 2014 10:37:07am

Jim Hoft and his ilk are no better than smut peddlers. Seeing the daily insanity emanating from deadbolts like him and the support he garners from the right wing makes me wonder why the GOP may gain in the mid terms. Apparently lies, hate, pandering and deceit work. Or we as a nation are a lot more stupid than we think. Maybe both.

3 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 10:37:14am

Urrp. I have noticed when I see that image of DimJim Hoft I get a feeling in my stomach that creates an unwanted involuntary feeling.

I think they call it nausea.

4 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 10:37:54am
Legion of mouth-breathing swivel-eyed loons.

Tell us how you really feel Charles about these knuckled dragging troglodytes who befoul the internet with conspiracy theories, junk science, and BS heaped atop BS, to the point where even Gunnery Sergeant Hartman is incredulous as to how Hoft, Chuck, and their followers were able to stack shit so high.

5 Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2014 10:39:00am

Between her career as a nurse and EIS experience, Hickox has contributed more to mankind than UpChuck and DimJIm combined.

6 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 10:39:59am

No offense, Charles, but I’m not sure this lie eclipses Christie’s lies about Hickox being symptomatic or that he didn’t change his quarantine policy at all.

7 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 10:40:04am

Please retweet this, folks — it’s very important to push back against these lies.

8 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 10:40:44am

OH PLEASE

9 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 10:41:54am

re: #6 Targetpractice

No offense, Charles, but I’m not sure this lie eclipses Christie’s lies about Hickox being symptomatic or that he didn’t change his quarantine policy at all.

I agree, that’s pretty awful too. Somebody should write a page about it. (Hint, hint.)

10 Amory Blaine  Oct 28, 2014 10:42:06am

Matt Taibbi Disappears From Omidyar’s First Look Media

Matt Taibbi, the star magazine writer hired earlier this year to start a satirical website for billionaire Pierre Omidyar’s First Look Media, has taken a leave of absence from the company after disagreements with higher-ups inside Omidyar’s organization, a source close to First Look confirmed today.

Taibbi’s abrupt disappearance from the company’s Fifth Avenue headquarters has cast doubt on the fate of his highly anticipated digital publication, reportedly to be called Racket, which First Look executives had previously said would launch sometime this autumn.

11 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 10:42:26am

from the Wonkette link:

archmoron blogger Chuck C. Johnson

That made me smile a little.

12 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 10:42:47am

Actually Micah, nobody gives that much of a shit about you.

13 Ace-o-aces  Oct 28, 2014 10:42:52am
But what he’s really trying to sell in this typically deceptive post is that Hickox is trying to hide her employment at the CDC. Why would anyone do that? It’s a good thing to work for the CDC, not a bad thing.

CDC n’ FEMA R part of the LIBRUL ‘spiricy to TAKE R GUNZZZZZZZ!!!

14 Talking Point Detective  Oct 28, 2014 10:43:40am

Excellent editorial from the New England Journal of Medicine:

Link

Ebola and Quarantine

The governors of a number of states, including New York and New Jersey, recently imposed 21-day quarantines on health care workers returning to the United States from regions of the world where they may have cared for patients with Ebola virus disease. We understand their motivation for this policy — to protect the citizens of their states from contracting this often-fatal illness. This approach, however, is not scientifically based, is unfair and unwise, and will impede essential efforts to stop these awful outbreaks of Ebola disease at their source, which is the only satisfactory goal. The governors’ action is like driving a carpet tack with a sledgehammer: it gets the job done but overall is more destructive than beneficial.

[…]

15 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 10:43:57am

16 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 10:44:01am

Any minute now all those people with the Don’t Tread On Me flags will be rallying to the nurse’s side because she obviously didn’t want anyone treading on her.

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17 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 10:44:20am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

18 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 10:45:07am

re: #10 Amory Blaine

Matt Taibbi Disappears From Omidyar’s First Look Media

Pierre really has done a wonderful job of silencing the top shelf Dudebro writers, he couldn’t have done better if he tried.

19 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 10:45:18am

re: #15 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Repost from downstairs:

20 Mike Lamb  Oct 28, 2014 10:45:47am

Even if she didn’t disclose she works for the CDC, what fucking difference does it make? Just give me something, anything, that would have this outrageous outrage make even an iota of sense.

21 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 10:46:29am

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CDC?

22 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 10:48:30am

Skyrim music meets Pirates of the Caribbean and it works surprisingly well.

Youtube Video

23 Minor_L  Oct 28, 2014 10:48:36am

To me, her working for the CDC makes her more credible not less. Only these weird mouth breathers would consider the CDC some sort of enemy propaganda outlet.

24 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 10:48:42am

re:
#20

The CDC is trying to infect all Amercians with Ebola even making policemen throw gloves in the garbage and by making that hospital release the guy who died and that doctor sick in NYC and, um, something.

/

25 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 10:49:26am

re: #21 bill d

You stand accused of committing senseless acts of random kindness. How plead you?

26 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 10:52:06am
Legion of mouth-breathing swivel-eyed loons.

Classic

27 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 10:53:07am

re: #23 Minor_L

To me, her working for the CDC makes her more credible not less. Only these weird mouth breathers would consider the CDC some sort of enemy propaganda outlet.

‘Xactly. it’s the top of the epidemiology food chain.

28 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 10:56:51am

I think I’ve just figured out why I have had a hard time contributing to many of the topics lately.

I just can’t get into all the stupidity that is going on. It’s a complete failure on my part to compute it all. And so, it is very hard talking about something that is just so foreign to all I was taught.

Yep. Nausea and numbness. Numbed by the dumb!

29 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 10:57:00am
30 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Oct 28, 2014 10:57:33am

Only in Wingnutistan does being an employee of the CDC - the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention - make you a nefarious source for dealing with an infectious disease.

31 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 10:59:02am

re: #30 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

Only in Wingnutistan does being an employee of the CDC - the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention - make you a nefarious source for dealing with an infectious disease.

Has to do with the unrecognized mental illness epidemic that broke out 6 years ago.

32 Ace-o-aces  Oct 28, 2014 10:59:31am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

33 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 11:00:05am
34 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 11:01:01am

re: #28 ObserverArt

I think I’ve just figured out why I have had a hard time contributing to many of the topics lately.

I just can’t get into all the stupidity that is going on. It’s a complete failure on my part to compute it all. And so, it is very hard talking about something that is just so foreign to all I was taught.

Yep. Nausea and numbness. Numbed by the dumb!

I propose cat pictures.

35 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 11:01:47am

re:
#31

Well, the CDC has failed to adequately address that epidemic. Now it’s getting worse.

36 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 11:03:01am

re: #35 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#31

Well, the CDC has failed to adequately address that epidemic. Now it’s getting worse.

There is no cure for RWNJ dementia.

37 Wile E. Wonka  Oct 28, 2014 11:04:41am

re: #30 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

Well, they also advocate condom use to prevent STDs, and needle exchange programs to keep HIV and Hep C transmission down, so clearly they’re in league with those satanic hedonist commies what hate the baby Jesus.

And hasn’t anyone noticed that CDCP is only one letter away from the old Soviet Union? That can’t be a coincidence!

Heck, they probably believe in evolution and climate change too…

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38 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 11:05:18am

re:
#29

Fox on gas prices last year: “More pain at the pump” Fox on gas prices today: “Cheap gas hurts economy”

Why can’t Obama keep gas prices stable? We’ll ask our next guest, Sarah Palin.

39 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 11:06:36am

re: #36 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

There is no cure for RWNJ dementia.

It would help if the media did its job. For starters, ‘swivel-eyed loons’ ought to be used in prime time newscasting to refer to the more egregious members of the GOP base and punditry.

40 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 11:07:36am

I know what Jim Hoft’s Halloween costume is every year.
He paints his face orange and goes as a Jerk-o-Lantern.

41 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 11:08:09am

re: #36 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

There is no cure for RWNJ dementia.

Case in point:

42 Wile E. Wonka  Oct 28, 2014 11:08:46am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Hahaha. Shorter Fox News: “We don’t know what happened today, but it’s obviously evidence of both Obama’s failure to rule and his inexorable drive toward tyranny!”

43 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 11:08:55am

re: #40 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I know what Jim Hoft’s Halloween costume is every year.
He paints his face orange and goes as a Jerk-o-Lantern.

He shaves his head and goes as a giant penis.

44 HappyWarrior  Oct 28, 2014 11:09:44am

re: #41 Lidane

Case in point:

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Yeah. There’s disagreement and then there’s plain old insanity along with paranoia.

45 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:09:51am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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46 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 11:10:46am

re: #11 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

from the Wonkette link:

That made me smile a little.

I also smiled when Doktor Zoom used donotlink for the goat news article.

47 HappyWarrior  Oct 28, 2014 11:10:55am

re: #42 Wile E. Wonka

Hahaha. Shorter Fox News: “We don’t know what happened today, but it’s obviously evidence of both Obama’s failure to rule and his inexorable drive toward tyranny!”

Fox News in a nutshell. Everything is bad, bad, bad in Obama’s presidency. Really Ailes, Murdoch, etc don’t even try to hide that they’re shills for a know-nothing agenda.

48 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:13:20am

So I’m on a troubleshooting call for a group of machines having connection issues and as we’re trying to figure out what the problem is, the server admin says he never bothered to read the set up instructions we sent him. He then goes on to insist that the problem must be something on our end.

I agree, our problem was thinking someone competent was on the other end of the call.

49 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 11:14:29am
50 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 11:14:40am

re: #48 Kragar

So I’m on a troubleshooting call for a group of machines having connection issues and as we’re trying to figure out what the problem is, the server admin says he never bothered to read the set up instructions we sent him. He then goes on to insist that the problem must be something on our end.

I agree, our problem was thinking someone competent was on the other end of the call.

Follow these instructions:

1. FLIP DESK
2. DUCT-TAPE SERVER ADMIN TO BOTTOM OF DESK
3. LIGHT ON FIRE
4. THROW OUT WINDOW

51 garzooma  Oct 28, 2014 11:18:41am

re: #14 Talking Point Detective

Another part of the NEJM piece deserves emphasis:

Médecins sans Frontières, the World Health Organization, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and many other organizations say we need tens of thousands of additional volunteers to control the epidemic. We are far short of that goal, so the need for workers on the ground is great. These responsible, skilled health care workers who are risking their lives to help others are also helping by stemming the epidemic at its source. If we add barriers making it harder for volunteers to return to their community, we are hurting ourselves.

The people attacking these volunteers are making the world safe for Ebola. They’re helping its spread by stabbing the backs of those who fight it. They form the disease’s Fifth Column.

52 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 11:19:27am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Anything that can be used to attack President Obama will be used, even if it’s contradictory to previously held positions by the attacker.

Gas is expensive - Obama’s fault.
Gas is cheap - it hurts the economy and is therefore Obama’s fault.

Fox News is home to short attention span theater - they hope their listeners have no more than a day’s worth of memory, because if they did, they might realize just how much BS the network is slinging their way.

53 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 11:19:46am

So I’ve been in product training for the new sales team I’m on. Did a whole day yesterday. Took a test this morning to see what I know and what I don’t know.

The technical details and product defintions were a breeze. Some of the customer centric questions are iffy depending on whether or not my boss likes how I would explain things to a customer. The questions I know that I goofed on were price points, since there were a lot of them and a lot of different combinations I was being asked about.

It’s the suspense that gets me. I’m waiting for him to tell me how I did. I’m basically sitting here in my cube on the internet while everyone around me is working. Blah.

54 Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 28, 2014 11:20:01am

Project Veritas claims another victory:

The undercover video comes from Project Veritas, which is led by group James O’Keefe - the activist whose undercover videos have caused serious headaches for ACORN, NPR and other groups. It shows a Project Veritas “investigator” telling Patrick Moran that he has a friend who is seeking to “get in a van” and vote on behalf of about 100 people. Patrick Moran responds with skepticism, but is later shown saying the person voting on behalf of others could potentially use “utility bills or something like that.”

cbsnews.com

55 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:20:23am

re: #50 Vicious Piebola

Follow these instructions:

1. FLIP DESK
2. DUCT-TAPE SERVER ADMIN TO BOTTOM OF DESK
3. LIGHT ON FIRE
4. THROW OUT WINDOW

“I don’t have the time to read through these instructions now.”

Probably why they were sent to you WEEKS AGO, when you failed to configure the servers properly the first time, which is why they failed to connect, and why we had to set up a special call figuring out what the problem was.

I think we discovered why they couldn’t connect.

56 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 11:24:08am

re: #55 Kragar

I think we discovered why they couldn’t connect.

Because there was a fatal error between that guy and his brain?

57 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 11:25:26am

re: #12 Vicious Piebola

Actually Micah, nobody gives that much of a shit about you.


“And this little gizmo monitors Micha Lee’s tweets.”

58 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 11:26:21am

There is some video that has gone viral on Twitter called “Chicago Activists Unchained” that features some black dude saying racist shit about other black folks that is making white racists have a party in their pants.

59 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 11:27:34am

Since the ‘nuts like to bitch about important government oversight agencies like the EPA, CDC, FDA and others I think I have come up with a product they might all enjoy.

Non-Government approved water. Sold in glass gallon jugs. Dark glass gallon jugs.

Why dark glass you say? Well, it’s so laden with chemicals and diseases plastic would not be able to hold it! And dark glass because it really is not that appealing to look at. Sort of like a smoothie…but no fruity fruit and vegetables involved. 100% recycled industrial goop.

Just think of the benefits. A way for companies to recycle raw sewage, chemicals, medical waste…all the really good stuff the ‘nuts seem to think the government is depriving them from enjoying.

And it is a dumb product. Dumb is good right? ‘Nuts seem to like dumb stuff that is not controlled by the government.

It’d be real cheap. 50 cents a gallon, mostly to cover the glass jugs.

Be sure to constantly stir it up though, it does tend to settle and if you get too much of the sludge it might cause burns to the mouth and other vital organs. But hey, who cares…it’s cheap and you are telling the government where to go with their expensive clean water.

Add a nice label image of Sarah Palin pouring heaping glasses of it for her family to enjoy. That would sell. Truth in advertising.

Frack brand Freedumb Water®

Yum. For starters it could be bottled in Texas right next to all the petrochemical plants where a good portion of it will be processed from the contributions of those plants. Bottling companies could be opened in all major cities. Plenty of raw product to process into Freedumb Water® ANd Texan ‘nuts love them some freedumb and ignoring government agencies.

Drink up. And tell the EPA, FDA and the CDC to go to hell…you are a Freedumb Water® drinker, not a koolaide drinking liberal.

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60 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 11:33:05am

YAY this is good news:

61 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 11:33:35am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Fox News in a nutshell. Everything is bad, bad, bad in Obama’s presidency. Really Ailes, Murdoch, etc don’t even try to hide that they’re shills for a know-nothing agenda.

It just dumbfounds* me to how both Ailes and Murdoch and all the talking heads can be so hollow to spew that crap they spew. At some point the soul has to have left the body to find a real human or something!

* A word that goes with my dumb theme I am sticking to!

62 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:33:44am
63 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 11:34:54am

re:
#57

“And this little gizmo monitors Micha Lee’s tweets.”

heh, indeedy.

64 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 11:36:12am
65 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 11:36:32am

re: #60 klys

Good news until the first flash floods and mudslides as a result of recent wildfires and parched conditions. The region will need a lot more of these rain events to make up for the dire shortfall and long term extreme drought across much of the Southwest.

66 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 11:37:16am

re: #65 Vogon Poetry

Good news until the first flash floods and mudslides as a result of recent wildfires and parched conditions. The region will need a lot more of these rain events to make up for the dire shortfall and long term extreme drought across much of the Southwest.

I know, but anything is useful right now.

Also I haven’t bought Halloween candy yet. Given this I can probably get away with one bag.

67 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:37:31am

re: #64 Lidane

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That brings the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy together, along with Captain Marvel, also announced today

68 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 11:38:27am

re: #67 Kragar

That brings the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy together, along with Captain Marvel, also announced today

The complete Phase 3 roster:

Captain America: Civil War - May 6, 2016.
Doctor Strange - November 4, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - May 5, 2017
Thor: Ragnarok - July 28, 2017
Black Panther - November 3, 2017
Captain Marvel - July 6, 2018
Inhumans - November 2, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 - May 4, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part 2- May 3, 2019

69 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:38:32am
70 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:39:45am

re: #68 Lidane

The complete Phase 3 roster:

Captain America: Serpent Society - May 6, 2016.
Doctor Strange - November 4, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - May 5, 2017
Thor: Ragnarok - July 28, 2017
Black Panther - November 3, 2017
Captain Marvel - July 6, 2018
Inhumans - November 2, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 - May 4, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part 2- May 3, 2019

Antman is still phase 2?

71 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 11:40:28am

Kragar…it is very obvious the server issues are your fault. You should have called them all after you sent out instructions…maybe even have set up a Skype meeting…and gone over all the steps one by one with diagrams and illustrations. Sheesh. Get with the program!

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Later all…gotta get back to work. Had enough DumbJim Hoft for a bit.

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 11:42:40am

re: #64 Lidane

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73 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:43:14am

74 jaunte  Oct 28, 2014 11:43:51am

Calling all MRA’s to the Gohmert line…

Louie Gohmert: Wendy Davis Can’t Be Trusted Because She Got Divorced After Law School

When host Ed Berliner asked if Davis “has found enough of the will and enough prayers to get her elected,” Gohmert replied that he thought that “she’s showing the same will she had when she let her husband paid for her to get through law school and then divorced him the day law school was finished and paid for, so she’s got a lot of will and that makes her interesting.”

75 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 11:45:01am
76 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 11:45:40am

re: #68 Lidane

The Inhumans, heh? Do not screw this up, Marvel!

77 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 11:49:23am

re: #73 Kragar

Yeah, pretty much. Marvel is just setting it on fire these days.

I can’t wait to see what they do with the Inhumans. Vin Diesel teased it back during the Guardians press tour saying that he had a weird feeling that Marvel thought he was Inhuman. If he ends up as Black Bolt he’ll have even less dialogue than he did as Groot. Heh.

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 11:49:44am
79 otoc  Oct 28, 2014 11:52:09am

re: #75 Kragar

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lol, got me until I looked for snakes on a plane pics.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 11:52:29am
81 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 11:53:09am

re: #73 Kragar

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It’s almost like the Marvel movieverse is meant to make up for all the stupid shit Joe Quesada has gotten up to on the comic side of Marvel.

82 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 11:54:25am
83 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 11:54:39am

re: #73 Kragar

Along the same lines, Marvel provides eye candy for the ladies, while DC still can’t figure out how to get Wonder Woman off the ground:

I mean, seriously, how can DC not get Wonder Woman into her own movie, let alone a tv show? And I just loved the not quite subtle swipe at DC in the episode Agents of Shield where Adrianne Palicki (who had been lined up by DC to play the Amazon Queen herself) jumped from a building into an invisible jet.

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 11:57:02am

Fun times in South Carolina!

85 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 11:57:39am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun times in South Carolina!

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Speaking of which, wasn’t Aqua Budda supposed to make some big announcement last night?

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 11:59:43am

re: #85 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, wasn’t Aqua Budda supposed to make some big announcement last night?

Apparently is was something about him launching ads in Kansas.
And support for Pat Roberts.

87 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 12:00:11pm

re:
#83

Yeah you’d think they could find a Wonder Woman. I liked Adriane Whatshername.

88 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 12:00:48pm

re: #87 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#83

Yeah you’d think they could find a Wonder Woman. I liked Adriane Whatshername.

What is this thing with Gal Gadot? Is that not happening?

89 withak  Oct 28, 2014 12:01:25pm

All this #MarvelEvent stuff, I can’t even. Hngggggg.

90 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 12:03:02pm
91 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 12:04:54pm

re: #88 Vicious Piebola

What is this thing with Gal Gadot? Is that not happening?

She’s going to play Wonder Woman in the Superman v. Batman movie. Not a standalone.

92 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 12:06:45pm

re: #91 Vogon Poetry

She’s going to play Wonder Woman in the Superman v. Batman movie. Not a standalone.

I get the feeling that movie’s going to get utterly savaged at the box office and in reviews. Cramming that many major characters into a single film with no build-up is just going to be utter chaos and reduce major characters into two-dimensional ones.

93 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 12:08:54pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun times in South Carolina!

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I was just talking to friends on the phone about this. Damn. The hope was that Ervin would take some of the Republican votes from people who hate Nikki but would never vote for a Democrat.

Of course, I won’t know what to think until Ann Romney weighs in.
/

94 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 12:13:35pm

No training, trigger happy cops.

Police: Deputy shot by partner after transporting inmate to Arizona

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 12:15:11pm

Tell me more about those conservative Christian values and how they relate to bankers.

Banker sentenced to 30 year prison term

Atlantic Monthly: The Many Lives of Aubrey Lee Price

96 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 12:16:38pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

Cramming that many major characters into a single film with no build-up is just going to be utter chaos and reduce major characters into two-dimensional ones.

It’s going to be Batman & Robin all over again, which had Bane reduced to a grunting muscle freak in the back of a single scene.

97 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 12:19:06pm

re: #96 Lidane

It’s going to be Batman & Robin all over again, which had Bane reduced to a grunting muscle freak in the back of a single scene.

Batman and what? Did Chris Nolan make another movie while I wasn’t looking?

/

98 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 12:19:20pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

Batman and what? Did Chris Nolan make another movie while I wasn’t looking?

/

Exactly.

99 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 12:20:03pm

re: #96 Lidane

It’s going to be Batman & Robin all over again, which had Bane reduced to a grunting muscle freak in the back of a single scene.

Its becoming painfully apparent that DC can’t get their films to work

100 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 12:20:04pm

re: #70 Kragar

Antman is still phase 2?

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 12:22:10pm

NJ Gov. Chris Christie to Ebola Quarantine Nurse: Go Ahead, Sue Me

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie practically dared a nurse to sue him for quarantining her even after she tested negative for Ebola. “Whatever. Get in line,” the brash Republican said Tuesday during a campaign stop in Rhode Island. “I’ve been sued lots of times before. Get in line. I’m happy to take it on.”

102 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 12:23:19pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 12:23:47pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

NJ Gov. Chris Christie to Ebola Quarantine Nurse: Go Ahead, Sue Me

Christie dismissed complaints about Hickox’s treatment as “malarkey” and said he had no concerns about the fact that she was kept in a tent.

“She was inside the hospital in a climate-controlled area with access to her cellphone, access to the Internet and takeout food from the best restaurants in Newark. She was doing just fine,” he said.

104 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 12:23:48pm

re: #99 Kragar

Its becoming painfully apparent that DC can’t get their films to work

That’s what happens when you don’t have a long-term plan for your film franchises.

105 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 12:24:16pm
106 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 12:27:51pm

re: #104 Lidane

That’s what happens when you don’t have a long-term plan for your film franchises.

That’s been painfully obvious for a long time. Marvel used to be like DC, selling off movie rights hither and yon and not really being good stewards of what they had. Then they got bought by Disney and the days of making a quick buck off selling movie rights turned into long-term plans for “phases” that involved smaller films that built up to a major blockbuster. DC tried something similar, but Green Lantern bombed badly, so they figure they’ll jump skip the build-up and try to go straight for the major blockbuster.

107 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 12:28:57pm

re: #104 Lidane

That’s what happens when you don’t have a long-term plan for your film franchises.

Now I will give them credit on the TV front. Arrow has done quite well, and the Flash seems off to a good start. They should work on building up a few more of their other smaller names and then see about moving ahead from there.

108 Ebolangelus  Oct 28, 2014 12:30:10pm

re: #83 Vogon Poetry

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I mean, seriously, how can DC not get Wonder Woman into her own movie, let alone a tv show? And I just loved the not quite subtle swipe at DC in the episode Agents of Shield where Adrianne Palicki (who had been lined up by DC to play the Amazon Queen herself) jumped from a building into an invisible jet.

Actually, A WB-confirmed DC movie lineup was released a while back, listing a Wonder Woman standalone apparently with Gal Gadot for the lead):
May 2016 - Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice
August 2106 - Suicide Squad (not a clue as to what that is)
June 2017 - Wonder Woman
December 2017 - Justice League Part 1 (surprise surprise, they’re splitting it)
2018 - The Flash and Aquaman
2019 - Justice League Part 2
2020 - Green Lantern (a reboot)

And on the topic of Agents of Shield, I’m surprised at how great it’s gotten seeing how the first season took so long to take off (a result of the show having to wait until Captain America 2 was released, as it tied in such a big way with events on the show). It’s also been hinted that characters from the show will wind up in the next Avengers movie in some capacity.

109 danarchy  Oct 28, 2014 12:30:16pm

re: #99 Kragar

Its becoming painfully apparent that DC can’t get their films to work

DC seems to be focusing more on the small screen. With Arrow, The Flash, Constantine, and Gotham.

I really like Arrow, we’ll see how the rest of them do.

110 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 12:31:50pm

GOPers don’t trust doctors, so they’re hoping for generals to back them up on positions that aren’t based in health policy, sound medical practices, and that’s extremely troubling.

It’s about being seen as leaders, not as people who actually know what they’re talking about.

Yes, we need the military to do the lifting and logistics to get health care workers to fight the outbreak in Africa. Yes, we need even those doctors and experts from the military to deal with the outbreak.

But Gen. Honoré is an Army Corps of Engineers guy - not with USAMRIID. Other generals who have come forward with statements about Ebola aren’t any more of a medical expert than Gov. Christie, but the right wing flocks to their opinions because it’s the guy with the medals and stars on their uniform.

Someone can be an expert on logistics and know nothing of tactics. The same goes with how to deal with an outbreak of a virulent disease. The GOP and right wing has an aversion to health experts - and instead treat their statements with disdain or outright ignorance.

111 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 12:35:04pm

re: #107 Kragar

Now I will give them credit on the TV front. Arrow has done quite well, and the Flash seems off to a good start. They should work on building up a few more of their other smaller names and then see about moving ahead from there.

The TV stuff is interesting, but I haven’t seen too much of Arrow or Flash to really judge them. I do like the bits I’ve seen, though.

The most interesting DC stuff for me is the Penguin character on Gotham. I swear they’re going to retcon the character in the comics to look, speak, and move like the TV actor. It’s going to happen.

112 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 28, 2014 12:36:17pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun times in South Carolina!

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Damn click bait headlines.

113 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 12:38:39pm
114 Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2014 12:40:55pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

I get the feeling that movie’s going to get utterly savaged at the box office and in reviews. Cramming that many major characters into a single film with no build-up is just going to be utter chaos and reduce major characters into two-dimensional ones.

I think it’ll get savaged because Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy is gonna be a pretty damned hard act to follow.

115 b_sharp  Oct 28, 2014 12:41:17pm

re: #113 Lidane

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Loon.

116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 12:41:30pm

re:
#101

“I’ve been sued lots of times before. Get in line. I’m happy to take it on.”

[Media]Tough guy! Straight-talker! Authentic!!![/media]

117 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 12:43:30pm

re:
#113

It’s my position that the role of the state is morally obligated to obey God’s law…I am for lawful execution of the homosexual.

Freedom. Liberty. Less government. Don’t Tread on Me.

118 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 12:45:02pm

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

I think it’ll get savaged because Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy is gonna be a pretty damned hard act to follow.

What I always liked about the trilogy is that Nolan strived for realism, tried to make it seem as if his version of Batman could be a real person rather than a mythological being. The same approach was only of mild success with Man of Steel.

But this film? DC wants to lay the groundwork for its own multi-hero franchise, but it doesn’t want to take the risk of one or more films failing at the box office. Thing is, most folks don’t know that Marvel was actually gambling with Iron Man. They threw the Nick Fury cameo in after the credits as a sequel hook, with no guarantee there would even be a sequel.

119 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 12:45:55pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

What I always liked about the trilogy is that Nolan strived for realism

WHUT

LOLOLOLOL

120 HappyWarrior  Oct 28, 2014 12:46:31pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

NJ Gov. Chris Christie to Ebola Quarantine Nurse: Go Ahead, Sue Me

Christie acting like a childish prick, what else is new. Seriously it’s going to be fun to watch him get teared for not being a big enough right wing prick in the primaries. He’s nothing but a bullying dickhead who thinks he’s a bad ass but is actually a little man.

121 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 12:48:11pm

re:
#120

I’d rather see Jeb! win the GOP nomination than this prick. Not that I’d want either of them in the WH.

122 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 12:48:51pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

He’s nothing but a bullying dickhead who thinks he’s a bad ass but is actually a little man.

Which explains his popularity amongst Conservatives

123 HappyWarrior  Oct 28, 2014 12:51:17pm

re: #122 Kragar

Which explains his popularity amongst Conservatives

Yeah pretty much. Conservatives think it’s “manly” to act like a dickhead to teachers and nurses when it’s actually the sign of a little coward who attacks people. I am really going to enjoy watching Christie’s downfall.

124 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 12:52:06pm

It has been confirmed that Captain Marvel will be the Carol Danvers version and not one of the other iterations.

Wonder Woman could not be reached for comments.

125 Tigger2  Oct 28, 2014 12:52:30pm

re: #121 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#120

I’d rather see Jeb! win the GOP nomination than this prick. Not that I’d want either of them in the WH.

Even when I was the most center of the country voter I wouldn’t vote for Christie and W ran me away from ever voting for a Bush.

126 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 12:56:22pm

re: #124 Kragar

It has been confirmed that Captain Marvel will be the Carol Danvers version and not one of the other iterations.

Wonder Woman could not be reached for comments.

Any idea who they’re casting for the lead role?

127 Ebolangelus  Oct 28, 2014 12:58:25pm

OK culinary-esque question of the day: what exactly is “bacon juice” and “bacon jam”, and more importantly, do I really wanna know (the former sounds downright bad)???

128 bratwurst  Oct 28, 2014 12:58:38pm

Only Fox Business has the temerity to ask:

Does Cheap Gas Hurt The Economy?

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 1:00:04pm

re: #128 bratwurst

Only Fox Business has the temerity to ask:

Does Cheap Gas Hurt The Economy?

Of course it does, it might make people vote for Democrats!
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130 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 1:00:29pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Any idea who they’re casting for the lead role?

Internet fanboys are already begging for Katie Sackhoff, but Marvel hasn’t said a word.

131 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 1:01:00pm

re: #130 Lidane

Internet fanboys are already begging for Katie Sackhoff, but Marvel hasn’t said a word.

Sounds good to me.

132 Jay C  Oct 28, 2014 1:01:27pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

”.

.and takeout food from the best restaurants in Newark.”

OK, shouldn’t that be grounds for a suit under the “cruel and unusual punishment” clause, or something…..?

*note to Jerseyites: this is snarky humor….

133 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:02:04pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Any idea who they’re casting for the lead role?

A lot of talk about Katie Sackhoff when Guardians of the Galaxy was in production, but nothing official.

134 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 1:04:36pm

Memo to Fox - the governors of NY and NJ have confused the issue themselves with walking back what they did, and their own statements are a mess of conflicting rules.

The states and politicians want to be seen as doing something, so they’re pushing ahead with blanket quarantines and bans, even though the CDC doesn’t recommend those.

135 danarchy  Oct 28, 2014 1:05:06pm

re: #130 Lidane

Internet fanboys are already begging for Katie Sackhoff, but Marvel hasn’t said a word.

There are rumors that they are looking at Emily Blunt who was originally up to be the black widow before scheduling conflicts prevented it.

136 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:05:33pm

Also confirmed: the role of Doctor Strange has not been cast yet, despite rumors to the contrary.

138 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:13:17pm

Going to get out there and say that Eion Bailey would make a pretty good Doctor Strange

139 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:25:58pm
140 allegro  Oct 28, 2014 1:26:01pm

re: #136 Kragar

Also confirmed: the role of Doctor Strange has not been cast yet, despite rumors to the contrary.

I saw this morning that Benedict Cumberbatch has been cast for the role.

141 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 1:26:36pm

re: #139 Kragar

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Grifter’s gotta grift.

142 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:28:17pm

re: #139 Kragar

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Run, Sarah, run.

143 b_sharp  Oct 28, 2014 1:28:52pm

re: #139 Kragar

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Is that updo she is sporting supposed to make us take her more seriously?

144 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 1:29:30pm

re: #139 Kragar

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It’s time to gin up another teaser campaign and milk the rubes.

145 b_sharp  Oct 28, 2014 1:29:53pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Grifter’s gotta grift.

That sounds like a line from Taylor Swift’s ‘Shake it Off’

146 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:30:03pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Grifter’s gotta grift.

Good. Every wingnut dollar she pockets is diverted from candidates who could do real harm.

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 1:30:07pm

Sarah Palin fan/Fox viewer wakes up 21 hours later to deliver this stinging retort:

(Julie’s twitter bio: Radical for US #Constitution #ΜΌΛΏΝ ΛΑΒΈ Lo_ira. Free Mkt nutjob. RTs not=agreement,*might*=laughing #FREEtheSTUDENTS Stand in the Gap! Ezekiel 22:30.
bwahahaaaa!)

148 b_sharp  Oct 28, 2014 1:30:25pm

re: #144 bill d

It’s time to gin up another teaser campaign and milk the rubes.

Sounds like porn.

149 gwangung  Oct 28, 2014 1:30:34pm

re: #134 Vogon Poetry

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Memo to Fox - the governors of NY and NJ have confused the issue themselves with walking back what they did, and their own statements are a mess of conflicting rules.

The states and politicians want to be seen as doing something, so they’re pushing ahead with blanket quarantines and bans, even though the CDC doesn’t recommend those.

It’s not confused. It’s pretty easy.

Which side had the doctors and public health experts on it? Follow THAT side.

150 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:31:05pm

re: #140 allegro

I saw this morning that Benedict Cumberbatch has been cast for the role.

Nope, they said they would have announced it at the Marvel event if it had been confirmed.

151 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:31:20pm

re: #148 Dead Tired

Sounds like porn.

Sounds like it qualifies for a farm subsidy.

152 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 1:31:28pm

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Good. Every wingnut dollar she pockets is diverted from candidates who could do real harm.

Those stretch Hummers aren’t cheap to rent.

153 otoc  Oct 28, 2014 1:33:05pm

re: #139 Kragar

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Please do Sarah. No threats, just do it and be prepared to actually own up to what will probably happen.

154 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 1:34:29pm

We saw this BS back in the lead-up to 2012: Princess Dumbass teases the rubes by saying she’s thinking of running, puts out a book, gets a plum deal at FNC, and even tours around in her eyesore of a bus. Then when it comes time to throw her propeller beanie in the ring, she’s nowhere to be found.

See also: Thompson, Fred.

155 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 1:34:56pm

re: #139 Kragar

156 otoc  Oct 28, 2014 1:37:02pm

re: #149 gwangung

It’s not confused. It’s pretty easy.

Which side had the doctors and public health experts on it? Follow THAT side.

It’s confusing to the party that has no confidence in medicine, science, and anything that is associated with the Federal government while preferring to listen to the vocal mob rule minority. That last part is so weird to read in print.

157 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:37:09pm

SarahPac is where RW donations go to die. 1 megabuck in the till, 45K to candidates.

opensecrets.org

158 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:39:06pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

SarahPac is where RW donations go to die. 1 megabuck in the till, 45K to candidates.

opensecrets.org

Stretch hummers don’t pay for themselves

159 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 1:40:34pm

re:
#139

Sarah Palin: Despite the “haters” I may run for office again

OK, but you have to actually be in school to run for class president.

160 leftynyc  Oct 28, 2014 1:40:57pm

The St. Louis County Police Department has stocked up on tear gas, less-lethal ammunition and plastic handcuffs in anticipation of massive protests in the suburb of Ferguson, Missouri, if a grand jury doesn’t indict the police officer who killed 18-year-old Michael Brown. The jury is expected to reach its decision sometime in November.

Many protesters in Ferguson do not believe that Officer Darren Wilson will be indicted and contend that recent grand jury leaks are meant to prepare the public for that decision.

huffingtonpost.com

I never thought there would be an indictment. This could get very bad.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 1:44:34pm

re: #160 leftynyc

The St. Louis County Police Department has stocked up on tear gas, less-lethal ammunition and plastic handcuffs in anticipation of massive protests in the suburb of Ferguson, Missouri, if a grand jury doesn’t indict the police officer who killed 18-year-old Michael Brown. The jury is expected to reach its decision sometime in November.

Many protesters in Ferguson do not believe that Officer Darren Wilson will be indicted and contend that recent grand jury leaks are meant to prepare the public for that decision.

huffingtonpost.com

I never thought there would be an indictment. This could get very bad.

Things tend to run that way once it is shown that the system is completely corrupt and bereft of justice.

162 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 1:47:10pm

I encourage all of our Republican friends to write in Sarah Palin on all of their ballots this election as a signal for her to run again.

163 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:48:24pm

re: #162 bill d

I encourage all of our Republican friends to write in Sarah Palin on all of their ballots this election as a signal for her to run again.

This is going to crush a lot of little spirits on Freep.

“Go Sarah go! Restore America’s Biblical principles! Crush islam and labor unions! Woo hoo!”

4 posted on Tue 28 Oct 2014 03:14:52 PM CDT by re_nortex

164 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 1:49:34pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

This is going to crush a lot of little spirits on Freep.

WHO DO WE VOTE FOR, TED CRUZ OR SARAH?!!? JIMROB TELL US!!

165 makeitstop  Oct 28, 2014 1:50:10pm

re: #139 Kragar

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Her web site must not be doing as well as she hoped it would.

Time for a different grift…

166 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 28, 2014 1:50:51pm

re: #161 Feline Fearless Leader

Things tend to run that way once it is shown that the system is completely corrupt and bereft of justice.

This is meant as a serious question (and one that gets a lot of examination during the French Revolution)

At what point does insurection become allowable when faced with a violent, corrupt and injust system?

At what point does it become necessary?

Discuss?

167 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 1:51:21pm

re: #165 makeitstop

Her web site must not be doing as well as she hoped it would.

Time for a different grift…

If she gets elected she would put the State of the Union on pay per view.

168 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:51:28pm

re: #164 bill d

WHO DO WE VOTE FOR, TED CRUZ OR SARAH?!!? JIMROB TELL US!!

Check the update to #163.

169 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:52:15pm

re: #166 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is meant as a serious question (and one that gets a lot of examination during the French Revolution)

At what point does insurection become allowable when faced with a violent, corrupt and injust system?

At what point does it become necessary?

Discuss?

It is always allowable—if you win.

170 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 1:54:34pm

re: #113 Lidane

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He seems nice.

RBS

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 1:56:05pm

re: #166 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is meant as a serious question (and one that gets a lot of examination during the French Revolution)

At what point does insurection become allowable when faced with a violent, corrupt and injust system?

At what point does it become necessary?

Discuss?

That’s roughly the discussion point of when revolution is justified.

Necessity is probably a spectrum depending on the width and depth of the corruption; a locality, a state, a nation, or just a particular sub-system?

And lurking in the background is that most revolutions tend to get out of hand and often do not lead to the imagined utopia since once that genie is let loose it is easily appealed to again and again by those grossly interested in personal power and advantage without worrying about integrity or character.

172 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 28, 2014 1:56:17pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

It is always allowable—if you win.

That is the utilitarian answer that matters most, of course.

My thinkng is that progressive revolts (mostly unarmed but not always) have been crushed with overwhelming police and military force here in the United States in the past.

So conversely, when Jefferson and Lincoln both mention the “revolutionary right” to disember a tyranical government, was there ever any substance to that? Does our current system of government rely on some degree of armed intimidation?

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 1:57:47pm

UPS just delivered my order of “WKRP in Cincinnati: The Complete Series”.

Yay me!!!!

174 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:57:52pm

Its about Ethics in Game Journalism, as long as you don’t read the comments…

175 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 1:58:39pm

I hate when twitter does that, updates the page, but the URL doesn’t change

176 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 28, 2014 1:59:08pm

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s roughly the discussion point of when revolution is justified.

Necessity is probably a spectrum depending on the width and depth of the corruption; a locality, a state, a nation, or just a particular sub-system?

And lurking in the background is that most revolutions tend to get out of hand and often do not lead to the imagined utopia since once that genie is let loose it is easily appealed to again and again by those grossly interested in personal power and advantage without worrying about integrity or character.

Increasing radicalization and repeated tocsin alarms/insurrection by sans-cullottes (and Herbertists) utterly derailed the French Revolution. You end up with the Committee of Public Safety, St-Just and Robespierre.

Avoiding that is the real trick.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 1:59:21pm

re: #172 Aunty Entity Dragon

That is the utilitarian answer that matters most, of course.

My thinkng is that progressive revolts (mostly unarmed but not always) have been crushed with overwhelming police and military force here in the United States in the past.

So conversely, when Jefferson and Lincoln both mention the “revolutionary right” to disember a tyranical government, was there ever any substance to that? Does our current system of government rely on some degree of armed intimidation?

All the government systems essentially rely on the government having a monopoly on legal threat of armed coercion.

178 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 1:59:31pm

re: #172 Aunty Entity Dragon

That is the utilitarian answer that matters most, of course.

My thinkng is that progressive revolts (mostly unarmed but not always) have been crushed with overwhelming police and military force here in the United States in the past.

So conversely, when Jefferson and Lincoln both mention the “revolutionary right” to disember a tyranical government, was there ever any substance to that? Does our current system of government rely on some degree of armed intimidation?

Pretty much the definition of government. In our system we get to chose the intimidators and the degree to which they should be ‘benign’.

179 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 1:59:43pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

UPS just delivered my order of “WKRP in Cincinnati: The Complete Series”.

Yay me!!!!

Did it come taped to a turkey falling out of the sky?
:)

180 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 2:01:10pm

re: #161 Feline Fearless Leader

Five criminal cases have been dismissed so far because the primary witness, Officer Darren Wilson, failed to show up in court. Ed Magee, a spokesman for the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney has told the press that no action will be taken against Wilson because ” “We don’t get people in trouble for not showing up for court,”

181 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 2:02:10pm

When will they get around to doing this right???

I’ll be over in the corner sulking.

RBS

182 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 2:02:34pm

re: #180 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Five criminal cases have been dismissed so far because the primary witness, Officer Darren Wilson, failed to show up in court. Ed Magee, a spokesman for the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney has told the press that no action will be taken against Wilson because ” “We don’t get people in trouble for not showing up for court,”

“Failure to appear” is no longer a crime?

183 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 2:02:46pm

re: #180 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Five criminal cases have been dismissed so far because the primary witness, Officer Darren Wilson, failed to show up in court. Ed Magee, a spokesman for the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney has told the press that no action will be taken against Wilson because ” “We don’t get people in trouble for not showing up for court,”

Translation: We’d rather lose these cases than run the risk that anybody find out more about who Darren Wilson really is.

184 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 28, 2014 2:04:31pm

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

All the government systems essentially rely on the government having a monopoly on legal threat of armed coercion.

Which leads to Rousseaus famous paradox of democracy vs natural rights of the individual.

In his view (and he has not been disproven by any means) you will either end up with an austere democracy where the general will of the people does reflect each and every member since all the participants have been socialized to such a degree that dissent is simply impossible…

Or you get a Hobbesian despotism where the passions of the mob are controlled by force if necessary but otherwise the government tries to more or less provide for the common good to some degree.

In the first, the rights of the individual have no conflict with the rights of the state.

In the second, the state simply does not give a shit.

185 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 2:04:37pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

Translation: We’d rather lose these cases than run the risk that anybody find out more about who Darren Wilson really is.

Plenty more arrests where those came from.

186 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 2:05:06pm

re: #181 RealityBasedEbola

When will they get around to doing this right???

I’ll be over in the corner sulking.

RBS

You think you got it bad? I got promised a movie ages ago by James Cameron and it doesn’t look like it will ever get made. It’s always the next movie…right up until something more interesting comes along.

187 Cheechako  Oct 28, 2014 2:07:02pm

re: #180 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Five criminal cases have been dismissed so far because the primary witness, Officer Darren Wilson, failed to show up in court. Ed Magee, a spokesman for the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney has told the press that no action will be taken against Wilson because ” “We don’t get people in trouble for not showing up for court,”

Doesn’t quite work that way for defendants.

188 No Country For Old Haters  Oct 28, 2014 2:07:12pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

UPS just delivered my order of “WKRP in Cincinnati: The Complete Series”.

Yay me!!!!

Cool. It looks like Shout Factory restored much of the original music.

189 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 2:08:13pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

You think you got it bad? I got promised a movie ages ago by James Cameron and it doesn’t look like it will ever get made. It’s always the next movie…right up until something more interesting comes along.

I don’t want to hear your bullshit. I’m still waiting for Buckaroo Banzai against the World Crime League.

190 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 2:08:15pm

re: #179 Feline Fearless Leader

Did it come taped to a turkey falling out of the sky?
:)

No turkey, just a deluge of rain.

191 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 2:08:32pm

re: #184 Aunty Entity Dragon

Which leads to Rousseaus famous paradox of democracy vs natural rights of the individual.

In his view (and he has not been disproven by ay means) you will either end up with an austere democracy where the general will of the people does reflect each and every member since all the participants have been socialized to such a degree that dissent is simply impossible…

Or you get a Hobbesian despotism where the passions of the mob are controlled by force if necessary but otherwise the government tries to more or less provide for the common good to some degree.

In the first, the rights of the individual have no conflict with the rights of the state.

In the second, the state simply does not give a shit.

The issue is becoming moot, kneecapped by the technology of intelligence gathering and overwhelming firepower. The ol’ barricades aren’t going to cut it any more. The only hope for an insurrection is to co-opt the police and military or find ‘outside’ patrons. That’s why the Oafkeeper nutcases are such a real (but tiny) threat.

192 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 2:08:40pm

re: #182 Kragar

“Failure to appear” is no longer a crime?

I’m certain that there are any number of civilians in St. Louis County who would disagree with Magee’s statement. Here in California, judges can and will fuck you over for not appearing for jury duty.

193 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 2:08:44pm

re: #187 Cheechako

Doesn’t quite work that way for defendants.

Yeah, one wonders how many minority defendants have been slapped with “failure to appear” or even contempt charges since Wilson went into hiding?

194 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 2:10:40pm

re:
#173

UPS just delivered my order of “WKRP in Cincinnati: The Complete Series”.

Yay me!!!!

So when will we next hear from you?

/

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 2:11:33pm

re: #180 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Five criminal cases have been dismissed so far because the primary witness, Officer Darren Wilson, failed to show up in court. Ed Magee, a spokesman for the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney has told the press that no action will be taken against Wilson because ” “We don’t get people in trouble for not showing up for court,”

Yes. Which carries with it (along with the murders) indicates that the St Louis County justice system is very broken. And it is unlikely that neither the county government nor the state government will do much about it in at least the short term. And there will also be resistance towards the Federal government attempting coercion towards a fix as well.

Is violence and rioting justified in this case? I would say not. There is still time, means, and grounds to organize and attempt to tear up and rebuild the system through the electoral system. However, I expect emotionalism and rage to rule instead since that appears to better fit the usual human reaction set.

196 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 2:14:06pm

re: #189 Kragar

I don’t want to hear your bullshit. I’m still waiting for Buckaroo Banzai against the World Crime League.

I’d talk about that Conan sequel that Mako teased at the end of “Conan The Destroyer,” except it looks like they’re making a new film with Ahnold that completely ignores it.

197 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 2:15:36pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

Yeah, one wonders how many minority defendants have been slapped with “failure to appear” or even contempt charges since Wilson went into hiding?

Fines levied on the poor for failing to appear in court seem to be a major source of municipal revenue in parts of St. Louis county.

Given that sad fact, it is beyond ludicrous for St. Louis authorities to spout drivel about ‘we don’t punish people for failing to appear in court’.

198 Cheechako  Oct 28, 2014 2:16:33pm

I’m beginning to wonder if the Ferguson Grand Jury verdict will be announced on election day. What better way to disrupt the Local, County, State, and possibly the National elections.

199 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 2:16:50pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

Fines levied on the poor for failing to appear in court seem to be a major source of municipal revenue in parts of St. Louis county.

Given that sad fact, it is beyond ludicrous for St. Louis authorities to spout drivel about ‘we don’t punish people for failing to appear in court’.

It’s possible that you and the DA spokesman define ‘people’ differently.

200 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 2:16:56pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

Yeah, one wonders how many minority defendants have been slapped with “failure to appear” or even contempt charges since Wilson went into hiding?

Happened in Ferguson ALL THE TIME.

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 2:20:30pm

A short follow-up to the last comment I made.

I won’t condone a violent reaction to Wilson not being indicted. I am indicating that I do understand the viewpoint that might lead to a violent reaction, but do not agree with it actually happening.

202 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 2:21:18pm

re: #189 Kragar

I don’t want to hear your bullshit. I’m still waiting for Buckaroo Banzai against the World Crime League.

I still firmly believe that “The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension” had the best end titles ever.

203 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 2:21:19pm

re: #198 Cheechako

I’m beginning to wonder if the Ferguson Grand Jury verdict will be announced on election day. What better way to disrupt the Local, County, State, and possibly the National elections.

That would take GOP ratfucking to an entirely new level.

204 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 2:23:06pm

re: #201 Feline Fearless Leader

A short follow-up to the last comment I made.

I won’t condone a violent reaction to Wilson not being indicted. I am indicating that I do understand the viewpoint that might lead to a violent reaction, but do not agree with it actually happening.

Local, sporadic, violence that leaves the existing structure in place is just street theatre. For the most part it just hardens and excuses further abuse. It’s wrong because it doesn’t work.

205 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 2:23:35pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

It’s possible that you and the DA spokesman define ‘people’ differently.

I’d say its more of a certainty. In any case, the issue of whether or not conservatives get to define who count as ‘people’ was thoroughly considered from 1860-1865.

206 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 2:24:21pm

re: #205 EPR-radar

I’d say its more of a certainty. In any case, the issue of whether or not conservatives get to define who count as ‘people’ was thoroughly considered from 1860-1865.

The decision was not universally embraced.

207 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 2:28:10pm

Here’s a cat wearing a Princess Jasmine costume riding a carpet on top of a Roomba.

You’re welcome.

Youtube Video

208 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 2:29:54pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

UPS just delivered my order of “WKRP in Cincinnati: The Complete Series”.

Yay me!!!!

I’ll await your report, particularly on how the music changes affect the enjoyment. (I bought myself the China Beach box set last year—it took them forever to get the music cleared for that one, but it’s almost all intact.)

209 Jenner7  Oct 28, 2014 2:48:58pm

re: #134 Vogon Poetry

What’s confusing about the CDC guidelines??

210 Swift2991  Oct 28, 2014 2:55:33pm

But the legions are out, all of them parroting the Chuck C and JimHoff’s versions of reality. And being pissed off at the epidemiologist. This is how lynch mobs are born.

211 ausador  Oct 28, 2014 3:02:08pm

re: #18 bill d

Pierre really has done a wonderful job of silencing the top shelf Dudebro writers, he couldn’t have done better if he tried.

The dudebros are all aghast to have discovered Pierre’s name on the White House visitor list a bunch of times.

He is really one of THEM!!!

212 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 3:09:25pm

re: #211 ausador

The dudebros are all aghast to have discovered Pierre’s name on the White House visitor list a bunch of times.

He is really one of THEM!!!

“Say Pierre, do me a favor m’kay? These paid hacks are really starting to piss me off. Just pay them to sit around and do nothing. They’re lazy, they’ll bite.”

“Sure thing Mr. President.”


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