Nurse Amber Vinson Ebola-Free, Discharged From Hospital

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Good news from the Ebola front: Amber Vinson, the second nurse who contracted Ebola through close contact with Liberian patient Thomas Eric Duncan, has now been declared free of the disease and discharged from the hospital.

Vinson is one of two Dallas nurses who was diagnosed with Ebola after treating Liberian citizen Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed in the United States with the virus. Duncan, who had symptoms after flying from Liberia to Texas in September, was admitted to Dallas’ Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital but died on October 8.

The other nurse, Nina Pham, was treated at a National Institutes of Health facility in Maryland before being declared Ebola-free on Friday. She was discharged from the hospital that day and met President Barack Obama at the White House before returning home.

Vinson was initially hospitalized in Dallas and was transferred to Emory University Hospital on October 15.

Ribner said that the Emory hospital staff has learned “a great deal” about treating Ebola after having successfully treated four patients with the virus, including Vinson. They’ve learned lessons about fluid and electrolyte management and that physicians can aggressively treat Ebola patients even when they become dependent on dialysis, he said. Emory is sharing those lessons with colleagues in West Africa and across the United States, Ribner said.

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301 comments

1 Indy GOP Refugee  Oct 28, 2014 2:19:43pm

That last paragraph… Is why it pays to bring victims here for treatment.

2 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 28, 2014 2:20:19pm

Chuck C. Journalist: OK, but what Amber Vinson? How come they don’t give us any updates? Where is she? What are they hiding? We must secure our borders right now, quarantine everyone and ban all flights!

//

3 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 2:51:43pm

This very good news means that our coprophiliac right wing will soon have to find something else about which to void their bowels.

4 Lidane  Oct 28, 2014 2:52:24pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

That last paragraph… Is why it pays to bring victims here for treatment.

But you know that as soon as we start doing that, the derptards will start in with the ZOMG OBUMMER IZ IMPORTING EBOLA! nonsense.

5 Indy GOP Refugee  Oct 28, 2014 2:55:25pm

re: #4 Lidane

Right. I learned to tune those idiots out apart from what’s necessary for the carefully selected call out. One can only consume so much aspirin and stay healthy.

6 missliberties  Oct 28, 2014 2:56:19pm

You mean science works!

“The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.”

Congrats to Amber Vinson. May she live long and prosper.

7 darthstar  Oct 28, 2014 2:57:07pm
8 darthstar  Oct 28, 2014 2:59:11pm

Have a wonderful evening everyone. I really hope this is the last baseball game I go to this year.

KC’s not a bad little town. Had a nice lunch at Capital Grill - Wagyu burgers…Yum!

9 Jay C  Oct 28, 2014 3:02:40pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

That last paragraph… Is why it pays to bring victims here for treatment.

Probably not literally - it would be ridiculously expensive to fly any significant number of Ebola victims TO the US: but it is certainly worth it to try to export ANY technique of treatment and/or containing Ebola abroad - to the countries in Africa that need it the most.

It’s a good record, though, so far for the American medical system: four known cases*, one death, two cures, and a probable fourth survivor (assuming Dr. Craig Spencer pulls through, which is likely, given his level of care). Still beating the odds…

*what a ridiculously small number: one would think that the minimal number of Ebola cases here would put a damper on the pants-pissing fear-fest in the media (the RW media is hopeless in any case)…

10 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 3:03:48pm

re: #7 darthstar

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Dog, have fun.

Need a screenshot with you in the crowd sometime.

11 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:04:23pm

This is very good news! It appears that if persons w/Ebola are treated correctly and early on, their chance for recovery is great. It’s why the emphasis on such treatment should be in place in countries where it is spreading, and casualties are high.

Here are the CDC guidelines for those who have been potentially exposed:

Interim U.S. Guidance for Monitoring and Movement of Persons with Potential Ebola Virus Exposure

cdc.gov

12 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:04:38pm

Reminder, launch possible soon. You can watch it here.

13 Indy GOP Refugee  Oct 28, 2014 3:05:45pm

re: #9 Jay C
Good point. I should have said selected or American victims, as per about what we have seen. I did not mean wholesale transfer of hundreds of victims over here.

14 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:06:54pm

Don’t just go away—go away quickly.

Facebook’s shares down almost 9% in after-hours trading on concerns about expenses - @MarketWatch
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15 Indy GOP Refugee  Oct 28, 2014 3:07:05pm

re: #12 klys

What a nice shot, sunset, clouds of vapor wafting from the tanks. NASA postcard.

16 Jenner7  Oct 28, 2014 3:07:43pm

OT:

17 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 3:09:55pm

Surprise. Surprise. Followup on those “missing” Georgia voter registrations?

littlegreenfootballs.com

On Tuesday, Judge Christopher Brasher of the Fulton County Superior Court denied a petition from civil rights advocates to force Georgia’s Secretary of State to process an estimated 40,000 voter registrations that have gone missing from the public database.

Though early voting is well underway in the state, Judge Brasher called the lawsuit “premature,” and said it was based on “merely set out suspicions and fears that the [state officials] will fail to carry out their mandatory duties.”…

Burrofsky said the people she registered in Dunwoody, Georgia, a more affluent and conservative community, did show up in the system, while those in more diverse and low-income communities in DeKalb County mysteriously disappeared.

thinkprogress.org

18 missliberties  Oct 28, 2014 3:11:14pm

re: #8 darthstar

Have fun. If Kansas wins tonight, then we get one more night of baseball. I could live with that.

19 jaunte  Oct 28, 2014 3:17:40pm
20 jaunte  Oct 28, 2014 3:18:05pm

This is not pizza.

21 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 3:19:51pm

re: #9 Jay C

Actually, it’s 8 cases (including Duncan, and nurses Vinson and Phan who got Ebola from treating Duncan). There were several patients brought back to the US, including Dr. Brantly, who had treatment in Nebraska, and several who had treatment at Emory.

Ashoka Mukpo, an American freelance television cameraman working for NBC News in Liberia, was flown out of the country for treatment at Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

An unidentified American who contracted Ebola in Sierra Leone began treatment at Emory University Hospital on Sept. 9. The patient, who has asked to remain anonymous, was discharged on Oct. 19, the university said.

Nancy Writebol contracted the virus in July while working for a SIM USA hospital with her husband, David, who was not infected. She was treated at Emory and discharged on Aug. 19.

Dr. Rick Sacra, a Boston physician who was working for SIM USA, arrived in the United States on Sept. 5 and was treated for three weeks at Nebraska Medical Center.

That’s 7 of 8 who are recovering or recovered from the disease versus one fatality. And it’s possible that with prompt attention by Dallas Presbyterian, even Duncan might have had a chance.

Modern medicine gives Ebola victims a chance - one that few get when you’ve got a health infrastructure that’s pretty much gutted.

22 HappyWarrior  Oct 28, 2014 3:20:19pm

re: #20 jaunte

This is not pizza.

Just give me a homemade pie with a few toppings and I’m content.

23 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:20:23pm

Oh boy, a teeny wheelchair will be delivered tomorrow for my g-grandson. They’ll bring a 12” and 14” and decide which fits him best. I’m going to stay w/him if I’m allowed in school Thurs and Fri to make sure he gets acclimated to it. However, instead of trying to train him to transfer from the chair to the toilet, I’m sending the urinal bottle w/him to use in the restroom since teachers are not allowed to enter the facility when kids are using it (molestation/liability issues).

Hopefully, this will reduce the strain on both him and me (he has to be carried everywhere since he can’t put any weight on the leg that’s in a cast. And he’s getting a bit bored and I’m exhausted. : }

24 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 3:20:45pm

And in honor of Jonas Salk’s birthday:

But, to me, the most remarkable thing about what Salk achieved was his refusal to patent his discovery. Salk famously told Edward R. Murrow: “There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?”

Don’t give them any ideas, Doc.

Jonas Salk would have liked Kaci Hickox, I think. He would have liked her very much.

25 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:21:07pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Damn. That isn’t pizza, and neither is that “pulled pork” abomination.

26 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:22:11pm

re: #23 Justanotherhuman

Ouch.
Sorry to hear that.

27 Mike Lamb  Oct 28, 2014 3:22:32pm

But has Ms. Vinson disclosed whether she works for the CDC?

28 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 3:23:43pm

re: #12 klys

Reminder, launch possible soon. You can watch it here.

ah shit.

RBS

29 Indy GOP Refugee  Oct 28, 2014 3:23:45pm

Oh fuck, launch fail big time

30 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:24:50pm

re: #29 Rightwingconspirator

Oh fuck, launch fail big time

Yes.

Uncrewed, thankfully.

Blew up seconds after launch.

31 Jenner7  Oct 28, 2014 3:24:53pm

re: #16 Jenner7

Of course the comments MISS the point. Shaun is pointing out how, AGAIN, the police lied about the events in the store and they did it by only releasing a portion of the tape.

32 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:25:22pm

Oh my.
It went BOOM.

33 TedStriker  Oct 28, 2014 3:25:23pm

re: #28 RealityBasedEbola

ah shit.

RBS

re: #29 Rightwingconspirator

Oh fuck, launch fail big time

Lemme guess, big explosion?

34 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:26:03pm
35 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 3:26:33pm

re: #33 TedStriker

Lemme guess, big explosion?

Yea…. it flew a couple of seconds, then didn’t fly anymore. :( Obama’s Fault.

RBS

36 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:27:07pm
37 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 3:28:07pm

re: #12 klys

Reminder, launch possible soon. You can watch it here.

Just hope there are no boats messing things up tonight…

ETA: welp… I typed too soon…

38 piratedan  Oct 28, 2014 3:28:12pm

IF ONLY THE MISSLE HAD BEEN ARMED, IT COULD HAVE DEFENDED ITSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

39 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:28:52pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just hope there are no boats messing things up tonight…

I think they are wishing there had been.

40 Jay C  Oct 28, 2014 3:29:06pm

re: #21 Vogon Poetry

Actually, including the anonymous patient at Emory in September, it’s nine - but 8 out of 9 is a better survival rate that 7 out of 8; and again, significantly beating the supposed odds for Ebola survival…

But you’re right: I was referring to domestic outbreaks only - not ones that were only treated here. Though in terms of domestic “infection”, there are really only two: Nina Pham and Amber Vinson.

41 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:29:25pm

re: #34 klys

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That’s a big boom.

42 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 3:29:51pm

kind of interesting how they start gathering and securing all the information / checklists, lock down computers right away.

RBS

43 TedStriker  Oct 28, 2014 3:31:38pm

re: #34 klys

Launch failure. #Antares has crashed back onto the pad and exploded. #orb3 pic.twitter.com
— how now (@brownpau) October 28, 2014

re: #35 RealityBasedEbola

Yea…. it flew a couple of seconds, then didn’t fly anymore. :( Obama’s Fault.

RBS

NASA had that problem more than a couple of times before the manned Mercury flights (and some Titan and Atlas flights in much more recent history, too), IIRC

44 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:31:53pm

Damn, the roar of that fire.

45 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:32:00pm

h/t to Gus

46 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:32:27pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

Ouch.
Sorry to hear that.

Well, the ortho who casted him (a D.O.) seemed disinclined and ignorant about what medical equipment was out there for someone his size and age. I was pretty appalled at that, since I don’t want him missing school, and want him to still lead a fairly normal life for the next 4 wks. I don’t know much about osteopaths but I assume they follow basically the same training and apprenticeships as MDs, but Carolinas Medical Center (a large corporate complex out of Charlotte) seems to hire a lot of them around here. Both my g-grandson’s family practice dr and the ER dr he saw were D.O.s as well as this one. But my g-grandson is not an invalid—he’s a healthy 4 yr old, and this kid, since throwing up the Motrin 100 on Sunday night and Mon morning, has not had a single thing for pain and hasn’t complained one whit, except that the cast is starting to itch a bit. He doesn’t whine about stuff like that (maybe toys, but that’s another subject).

I had to call around, and fortunately, my neighbor knew that the woman at the Boost Mobile store had a disabled child who uses a wheelchair and was able to get the number of her supplier. I called them, then called the Dr for a ‘script and got it going.

47 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:33:40pm

re: #35 RealityBasedEbola

Yea…. it flew a couple of seconds, then didn’t fly anymore. :( Obama’s Fault.

RBS

If only that sailboat hadn’t been in its path last night…

48 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 3:33:44pm
49 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 3:34:57pm

re: #43 TedStriker

NASA had that problem more than a couple of times before the manned Mercury flights (and some Titan and Atlas flights in much more recent history, too), IIRC

I remember video of some of the early (Redstone?) rockets. Starting up, then pausing and settling back down on the pad in a ball of fire.’

Everytime I’m down in Huntsville, AL (and some times I just go for the hell of it). I always end up spending the day at the Nasa Space Center there. Fantastic Museum, it’s where they built the Saturn 5, and it’s a great day.

RBS

50 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:37:47pm

Youtube Video

Video of the launch failure.

51 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:37:58pm

If you didn’t know where this launch took place;
Image: File:Wallops_Island_location.png

52 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:38:48pm

re: #51 Varek Raith

If you didn’t know where this launch took place;
Image: File:Wallops_Island_location.png

53 Schadenboner  Oct 28, 2014 3:39:36pm

re: #19 jaunte

This world doesn’t deserve to survive. Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.

54 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 3:40:21pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

Damn, the roar of that fire.

Haz very anomaly.

55 TedStriker  Oct 28, 2014 3:41:22pm

re: #50 klys

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Video

Video of the launch failure.

I’d say that was an Earth-shattering KA-BOOM!

I’d also say they’ll need to rebuild the launch complex after that, too…

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 3:41:49pm

re: #39 klys

I think they are wishing there had been.

yeah…I edited my post…

sigh…

57 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:42:03pm

re: #55 TedStriker

I’d say that was an Earth-shattering KA-BOOM!

I’d also say they’ll need to rebuild the launch complex after that, too…

It looks surprisingly intact.

58 Skip Intro  Oct 28, 2014 3:42:21pm

re: #34 klys

Looks like a visual metaphor for The Intercept.

59 Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2014 3:42:35pm

Amazing, no news coverage of the Antares boom yet google.com

60 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 3:43:16pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

Haz very anomaly.

It’s obvious that they needed Chucky C “The Rocketeer” Johnson’s help.

RBS

61 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 3:44:06pm

re: #49 RealityBasedEbola

I remember video of some of the early (Redstone?) rockets. Starting up, then pausing and settling back down on the pad in a ball of fire.’

Everytime I’m down in Huntsville, AL (and some times I just go for the hell of it). I always end up spending the day at the Nasa Space Center there. Fantastic Museum, it’s where they built the Saturn 5, and it’s a great day.

RBS

Probably was the footage from the first test launch of Project Vanguard. That was back at a time when all the armed forces but the Marines were running their own rocket programs and meeting with mixed success. The Army had the most initial success, but it was repurposed ICBMs from the Air Force that carried the first men into orbit.

62 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 3:44:17pm

re: #34 klys

I’m a bit surprised that the thing works at all. From Wikipedia:
“The first stage uses RP-1 (kerosene) and liquid oxygen (LOX) as propellants, powering two Aerojet AJ-26 engines, which are modified Soviet-built NK-33 engines. Together they produce 3,265 kilonewtons (734,000 lbf) of thrust at sea level and 3,630 kN (816,100 lbf) in vacuum.[6] As Orbital has little experience with large liquid stages and LOX propellant, some of the Antares first stage work was contracted to the Ukrainian Yuzhnoye SDO, designers of the Zenit series.[10] The core provided by Yuzhnoye includes propellant tanks, pressurization tanks, valves, sensors, feed lines, tubing, wiring and other associated hardware.”

Not knocking anyone’s work: these things involve a shitload of parts all of which have to perform under difficult conditions. Passing a project through so many hands raises the odds that something will fail at a critical moment.

FWIW: one of the last places I worked as a machinist was a NASA contractor. I actually made hundreds of parts for the Shuttle’s main engine. These were parts that lived within the combustion chamber and the alloys used were harder than a conservative’s heart.

63 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 3:45:30pm

re: #60 RealityBasedEbola

It’s obvious that they needed Chucky C “The Rocketeer” Johnson’s help.

RBS

Among the old NASA FUBAR footage was one called “The Titusville Express” because that’s the direction it was heading when it blew. The terms don’t Google.

64 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:45:53pm

The anomaly started just above the engines.

65 Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2014 3:46:15pm

Have the RWNJs blamed Obama yet?

66 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 3:47:03pm
67 Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2014 3:47:33pm

re: #64 Varek Raith

The anomaly started just above the engines.

This anomaly ?

68 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:48:05pm

re: #59 Dr. Matt

Amazing, no news coverage of the Antares boom yet google.com

69 Schadenboner  Oct 28, 2014 3:49:26pm

So, is everyone on the ground accounted for or will we Need Another Seven [launch] Attendants?

70 Minor_L  Oct 28, 2014 3:49:47pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

He is truly disgusting. I don’t think he has one redeeming quality. Human garbage.

71 Jay C  Oct 28, 2014 3:49:54pm

re: #59 Dr. Matt

Not quite: ABC News just featured the Big Boom on its evening newscast: what? half an hour after blowup?
People know NOW….

72 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:50:21pm

re: #69 Schadenboner

So, is everyone on the ground accounted for or will we Need Another Seven [launch] Attendants?

73 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:50:52pm

re: #69 Schadenboner

So, is everyone on the ground accounted for or will we Need Another Seven [launch] Attendants?

Yes. Everyone accounted for. No injuries.

74 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:51:15pm

NASA TV coverage.
nasa.gov

75 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:51:26pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

All is not well at the $250M house Glenn Greenwald built.

Taibbi Takes Time Out From First Look After “Disagreements.” Can I Publish Our Emails Now, Matt? | PandoDaily

Teehee!

“I’ve previously had a… uh… spirited email conversation with Taibbi about both claims, although Taibbi would only engage on the condition that his words were “not for publication” — a strange demand coming from an editor at a site that’s about leaking confidential documents. I emailed Taibbi again today to ask if I can publish his responses in the light of today’s news. He replied: “No, you may not.”

76 Schadenboner  Oct 28, 2014 3:51:50pm
77 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 3:52:08pm

re: #71 Jay C

Not quite: ABC News just featured the Big Boom on its evening newscast: what? half an hour after blowup?
People know NOW….

CBS Evening News lead their newscast with it.

OUR ROCKETS WORKED JUST FINE UNDER REAGAN AND BUSH!

//

78 Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2014 3:52:48pm

re: #71 Jay C

Not quite: ABC News just featured the Big Boom on its evening newscast: what? half an hour after blowup?
People know NOW….

Yeah, just *now*.

Still nothing showing up on the interweb google.com

79 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 3:53:18pm

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

Teehee!

“I’ve previously had a… uh… spirited email conversation with Taibbi about both claims, although Taibbi would only engage on the condition that his words were “not for publication” — a strange demand coming from an editor at a site that’s about leaking confidential documents. I emailed Taibbi again today to ask if I can publish his responses in the light of today’s news. He replied: “No, you may not.”

Went over the one-sided ‘exchange’. These are actually rather boring people.

80 Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2014 3:53:44pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

Uh, ok…..not sure why you posted that, but like I said….. google.com

81 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:56:43pm

re: #80 Dr. Matt

Uh, ok…..not sure why you posted that, but like I said….. google.com

Hmm. Maybe they don’t want people to know that privatized rocketeering is really no better than governmental? Half-///

82 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 3:57:23pm

I’m no rocket scientist but, uh, rockets aren’t supposed to do that.
/Media ‘expert’ opinion

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 3:57:40pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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lunatic “humor” is just so fucking lame.

84 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 3:58:10pm

CHUCK C JOHNSON HAS BEEN MAKING ROCKETS SINCE HE WAS 6 AND NONE OF HIS EVER BLOWED UP!!

85 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 3:58:23pm
86 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 3:59:29pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Went over the one-sided ‘exchange’. These are actually rather boring people.

It was the “strange demand coming from an editor at a site that’s about leaking confidential documents” comment that’s telling.

Let them have their little persnickety exchanges…

87 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 4:01:02pm

re: #62 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s cool that you worked on that stuff!

This was not Orbital’s first launch - 3rd to the ISS, if I understand it correctly.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 4:01:19pm

re: #51 Varek Raith

If you didn’t know where this launch took place;
Image: File:Wallops_Island_location.png

I BLAME OBAMA!!!!111!!!!

89 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 4:02:25pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Went over the one-sided ‘exchange’. These are actually rather boring people.

The question of whether Omidyar wanted to put a leash on Taibbi’s financial sector muckraking via First Look Media is worth considering. Unfortunately, gossip and inference is likely to be the only available evidence for any reporting on the topic.

90 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 4:03:03pm

re: #55 TedStriker

Technically, that wasn’t an earth shattering kaboom.

This is an earth shattering kaboom:

Youtube Video

Any questions? :)

91 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 4:05:10pm

re: #90 Vogon Poetry

Technically, that wasn’t an earth shattering kaboom.

This is an earth shattering kaboom:

[Embedded content]

Video

Any questions? :)

en.wikipedia.org

92 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 4:06:17pm

Wow, the price of failure is only 9%?

Shares of Orbital Sciences Corp. fall more than 9% after hours following the explosion of its unnamed rocket - @CNBCnow
read more on cnbc.com

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 4:06:26pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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94 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 4:07:17pm

NASA on Antares rocket launch failure: ‘A mishap occurred shortly after liftoff. Orbital has declared a contingency. NASA and Orbital are still determining when a press conference will be held’ - @NASA
end of alert

95 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 4:07:38pm

WTF does this mean?

96 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 4:07:50pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

The question of whether Omidyar wanted to put a leash on Taibbi’s financial sector muckraking via First Look Media is worth considering. Unfortunately, gossip and inference is likely to be the only available evidence for any reporting on the topic.

Yes, the issue is significant. It’s the personalities that are coming off as twits. Journalism about journalism isn’t journalism.

97 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 4:09:17pm

re: #92 Justanotherhuman

Wow, the price of failure is only 9%?

Shares of Orbital Sciences Corp. fall more than 9% after hours following the explosion of its unnamed rocket - @CNBCnow
read more on cnbc.com

Those things are insured. The next premium might be a jolt.

98 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 4:10:42pm

re: #95 bill d

WTF does this mean?

Official says WH has identified “activity of concern” on an unclassified computer network used by the Executive Office of the President.

More fuckn’ lolcats.

99 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 4:13:52pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

en.wikipedia.org

“GRB 080916C is a gamma-ray burst (GRB) that was recorded on September 16, 2008 in the Carina constellation and detected by NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope. It is the most powerful gamma-ray burst ever recorded. The explosion had the energy of approximately 5900 type Ia supernovae, and the gas jets emitting the initial gamma rays moved at a minimum velocity of approximately 299,792,158 m/s (0.999999c), making this blast the most extreme recorded to date.[1][2]

(Some snipping)

(Note: The following is way beyond the ability of my feeble brain to understand fully.)

“The explosion took place 12.2 billion light-years (light travel distance) away. That means it occurred 12.2 billion years ago—when the universe was only about 1.5 billion years old.”

100 TedStriker  Oct 28, 2014 4:15:00pm

re: #77 bill d

CBS Evening News lead their newscast with it.

OUR ROCKETS WORKED JUST FINE UNDER REAGAN AND BUSH!

//

Never mind those pesky Challenger and Columbia “incidents”…

///infinity

101 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 4:17:54pm

re: #77 bill d

CBS Evening News lead their newscast with it.

OUR ROCKETS WORKED JUST FINE UNDER REAGAN AND BUSH!

//

But this was “Free-Market Rocket”, not one of those inefficient govt. ones….

oh..

.
.
Nevermind.

102 b_sharp  Oct 28, 2014 4:19:23pm

So ISIS has attacked an unmanned rocket? Close the borders. Put all rockets entering the country into mandatory quarantine.

103 b_sharp  Oct 28, 2014 4:20:12pm

re: #99 Justanotherhuman

“GRB 080916C is a gamma-ray burst (GRB) that was recorded on September 16, 2008 in the Carina constellation and detected by NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope. It is the most powerful gamma-ray burst ever recorded. The explosion had the energy of approximately 5900 type Ia supernovae, and the gas jets emitting the initial gamma rays moved at a minimum velocity of approximately 299,792,158 m/s (0.999999c), making this blast the most extreme recorded to date.[1][2]

(Some snipping)

(Note: The following is way beyond the ability of my feeble brain to understand fully.)

“The explosion took place 12.2 billion light-years (light travel distance) away. That means it occurred 12.2 billion years ago—when the universe was only about 1.5 billion years old.”

Big Boom!
Big badda boom.

104 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 4:22:14pm

re: #99 Justanotherhuman


(Note: The following is way beyond the ability of my feeble brain to understand fully.)

“The explosion took place 12.2 billion light-years (light travel distance) away. That means it occurred 12.2 billion years ago—when the universe was only about 1.5 billion years old.”

Although the principle is very simple, the numbers are admittedly mind-boggling here.

105 Kid A  Oct 28, 2014 4:22:45pm

re: #102 Dead Tired

So ISIS has attacked an unmanned rocket? Close the borders. Put all rockets entering the country into mandatory quarantine.

106 Kid A  Oct 28, 2014 4:24:39pm

This didn’t take long.

107 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 4:26:46pm

re: #104 EPR-radar

Although the principle is very simple, the numbers are admittedly mind-boggling here.

If the principle is simple, why can’t we have a do-over for Sunday am so J doesn’t have a broken leg? : )

108 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 4:26:56pm

Wait for the Derp. Wait for it.

109 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 4:27:27pm

re: #106 Kid A

This didn’t take long.

Perhaps if NASA concentrated on it’s rockets instead of climate change and Muslim relations, they might make it to space. #tcot

Being stupid never takes long. That is the problem.

Always so quick to demonstrate it.

110 Varek Raith  Oct 28, 2014 4:29:17pm

Uh…
Ain’t SpaceX…Private???

111 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 4:30:32pm

LOL
The hypocrisy of the Dudebro media is too funny, I shouldn’t be enjoying this so much.

112 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 4:30:47pm

re: #105 Kid A

@foxnews @fxnscitech Enemies tried to hit it yesterday and failed. Success today.

That went from 0 to Poe in 3 min, 23 sec.

113 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 28, 2014 4:31:06pm

re: #106 Kid A

This didn’t take long.

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Perhaps if NASA did its own work rather than contracting it out to private businesses …

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114 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 28, 2014 4:31:19pm

Interesting story about a piece of artwork getting made.

BoardGameGeek

115 JustMark  Oct 28, 2014 4:31:57pm

re: #8 darthstar

Have a wonderful evening everyone. I really hope this is the last baseball game I go to this year.

KC’s not a bad little town. Had a nice lunch at Capital Grill - Wagyu burgers…Yum!

Go Royals!

117 Bubblehead II  Oct 28, 2014 4:33:54pm

Evening Lizards. Hate to be such ass , but I have been betting on Space X from the start. Their Falcon 9 and soon to launched Falcon 9 Heavy are way better than anything Orbital has been able to put together. Today just has shown why.

118 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 4:35:29pm

re: #110 Varek Raith

Space X - private
OSC - private
Boeing - private
United Launch - private

And a few others.

Yeah, all private enterprises that have entered into contracts with NASA to provide launch vehicles and other gear.

119 Bubblehead II  Oct 28, 2014 4:38:30pm

re: #110 Varek Raith

Uh…
Ain’t SpaceX…Private???

Yes they are. No (catastrophic) launch failures so far either. Not to mention the fact that every load they have brought back has been successfully recovered. Orbital can’t do that.

heh.

120 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 4:40:51pm

Lawyer for Fort Kent nurse says she won’t abide by quarantine - @bangordailynews
read more on bangordailynews.com

Ouch.

On Monday, her fiance, in whose home she intends to stay, said she would abide by a self-imposed 21 day quarantine. Now, she says it will only be for 2 days.

bangordailynews.com

121 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 4:41:49pm

re: #119 Bubblehead II

Yes they are. No (catastrophic) launch failures so far either. Not to mention the fact that every load they have brought back has been successfully recovered. Orbital can’t do that.

heh.

Gosh, NASA clearly should have contracted out to SpaceX a long time ago, since their success record is even better than NASA’s!

///

122 Kid A  Oct 28, 2014 4:41:50pm

Dim Jim says it’s “confirmed” that Obama is bringing Ebola patients to the US; linked story never confirms anything. I swear to sky dad the man is totally insane lying his fucking ass off constantly..

123 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 4:42:46pm

I think I mentioned in the past about me flying competition model rockets back in high school. My main friend in all that went on to get a doctorate in aerodynamics and ended up at Boeing as a VP…now retired.

Anyway, that all made me very familiar with both Wallops Island (VA) and White Sands (NM) where many a rocket was launched. One of the scale model rockets I built was a sounding rocket flown out of Wallops Island the Sandhawk.

Building rockets and being around brainiacs was a good background for me, even if I knew I was going to be an artist. It gave me an appreciation for all the work that goes into launching a simple weather rocket and a huge feel for what it was like to develop manned spacecraft.

Edit…dang-it…I meant Wallops Island was where the Sandhawk was flown. Changed now.

124 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 4:44:43pm
125 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 4:45:11pm

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

If the principle is simple, why can’t we have a do-over for Sunday am so J doesn’t have a broken leg? : )

But the fact that we are seeing an event from long ago has nothing to do with time travel or anything exotic.

It’s just the time it took the light from that explosion to get here.

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 4:45:47pm

The loons just can’t stop beating a dead horse:

127 withak  Oct 28, 2014 4:45:55pm

Meanwhile, the MN GOP is capitalizing on fear:

Just got this mailer.

128 JustMark  Oct 28, 2014 4:46:57pm

re: #122 Kid A

On Air Force One even…

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 4:47:08pm

re: #127 withak

Meanwhile, the MN GOP is capitalizing on fear:

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Just got this mailer.

They are soooo freaking desperate now.

130 Bubblehead II  Oct 28, 2014 4:48:00pm

re: #121 klys

Gosh, NASA clearly should have contracted out to SpaceX a long time ago, since their success record is even better than NASA’s!

///

Not saying that. Space X has definitely learned from both Soviet and Nasa mistakes in rocket science. Orbital, on the other hand, not so much.

131 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 4:48:23pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

But the fact that we are seeing an event from long ago has nothing to do with time travel or anything exotic.

It’s just the time it took the light from that explosion to get here.

Ahhh. So simple, yes. Thanks for the explanation.

Yes, you can teach an old dog… : )

132 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 4:49:41pm

re: #127 withak

Meanwhile, the MN GOP is capitalizing on fear:

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Just got this mailer.

OMFG…. And this is for real? that’s unbelievably blatant pandering.

RBS

133 bratwurst  Oct 28, 2014 4:50:27pm

re: #8 darthstar

KC’s not a bad little town. Had a nice lunch at Capital Grill - Wagyu burgers…Yum!

Way to go to a chain restaurant in a city full of the best local bbq joints on earth.

If only you knew people online FROM KC…

134 withak  Oct 28, 2014 4:52:13pm

re: #132 RealityBasedEbola

100% real. The only thing I did to edit was to remove the mailing address section.

135 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 4:52:17pm

HURR HURR STOP MESSIN WITH MY GUN MEMES U COMMIE!!!!!!

136 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 4:52:27pm

re: #132 RealityBasedEbola

OMFG…. And this is for real? that’s unbelievably blatant pandering.

RBS

The GOP’s response to being down 10 points in the MN Senate polling is as inspirational and useful as most other GOP policies and positions (i.e., total shit).

137 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 4:56:04pm

How to avoid Ebola in 2 easy steps.

1. Avoid contact with bodily fluids of patients in the symptomatic phase of the disease.

2. Live your life normally.

That’s all it takes.

RBS

138 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 28, 2014 4:57:19pm

re: #122 Kid A

Dim Jim says it’s “confirmed” that Obama is bringing Ebola patients to the US; linked story never confirms anything. I swear to sky dad the man is totally insane.

Please…no.

Lack of reasoning is not insanity.
Lack of compassion is not insanity.
Lack of honesty is not insanity.

Insanity would mean the Hoft’s actions were beyond his control, which there’s no evidence for. He knows how to lie. He knows how to dissemble when caught in a lie. He knows how to make a profit from the paranoid things he write, and how to keep fishing in other people.

Yeah, the line between sane/insane gets blurry when you get into irrational belief structures, but the guy who’s job is to lie about stuff is not a likely candidate for the latter. This isn’t a man who’s scared or tormented by strange thoughts, this is a guy who finds reasons excuses to feel superior, to feel that he has perfect moral clarity while condemning others as undeserving of basic recognition as people.

139 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 4:57:31pm

Launching a rocket isn’t so easy to do, even after 60+ years of firing them into orbit. They still blow up in a multitude of ways. You’re talking about a vastly complex piece of machinery that is stuffed to the gills with explosive fuels and is expected to handle massive changes and stresses of flight (multiple Gs). Any failure of a critical component can bring the whole thing down in a fireball of fury (memo to me - that’s a great band name).

Werner von Braun and NASA blew up lots of rockets when they were starting out. Other rocket makers and designers had major problems too - US, Soviet, and other countries. OSC may figure out their issues too, especially with their Russian motor designs - the NK-33.

140 Eventual Carrion  Oct 28, 2014 4:57:36pm

re: #113 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Perhaps if NASA did its own work rather than contracting it out to private businesses …

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141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 4:58:47pm

re: #140 Eventual Carrion

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Jami is so much fun. Such an idiot.

142 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 4:58:57pm

re: #138 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

143 Eventual Carrion  Oct 28, 2014 4:59:17pm

re: #140 Eventual Carrion

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She put me on her low-info-tweeters list. I should feel slighted? I don’t, but should I?

144 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 4:59:33pm

re: #87 klys

It’s cool that you worked on that stuff!

This was not Orbital’s first launch - 3rd to the ISS, if I understand it correctly.

NASA was great, though strict. They’d pull surprise inspections and the inspectors were very knowledgeable. OTOH, they’d turn up and show us movies of the inner workings of the Shuttle, launches, test stand footage, etc. and pass out loads of Shuttle tchotchkes.

145 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 5:00:27pm

NASA just hired the wrong guy for the job:

146 Kid A  Oct 28, 2014 5:00:56pm

re: #138 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

Fixed.

147 Eventual Carrion  Oct 28, 2014 5:01:17pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jami is so much fun. Such an idiot.

Yeah, haven’t heard back from this one.

148 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 5:03:21pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jami is so much fun. Such an idiot.

Is it like how I used to make my cats run back and forth across the living room with a laser pointer?

RBS

149 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 5:03:42pm

re: #145 bill d

Gluing together Estes kits does not make you an expert on large-scale vehicles using hypergolic fuels - especially when your mom still buys you the ones labeled “Recommended for ages 12 and under”.

150 EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2014 5:03:45pm

re: #138 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

Please…no.

Lack of reasoning is not insanity.
Lack of compassion is not insanity.
Lack of honesty is not insanity.

Insanity would mean the Hoft’s actions were beyond his control, which there’s no evidence for. He knows how to lie. He knows how to dissemble when caught in a lie. He knows how to make a profit from the paranoid things he write, and how to keep fishing in other people.

Yeah, the line between sane/insane gets blurry when you get into irrational belief structures, but the guy who’s job is to lie about stuff is not a likely candidate for the latter. This isn’t a man who’s scared or tormented by strange thoughts, this is a guy who finds reasons excuses to feel superior, to feel that he has perfect moral clarity while condemning others as undeserving of basic recognition as people.

Bingo. Insanity and evil aren’t the same thing at all. In particular, labeling evil acts as ‘insane’ has all kind of splash damage for people with mental illness.

151 Kid A  Oct 28, 2014 5:04:08pm

“When you don’t know anything, you’ll buy anything. Propaganda rules.” -Sir William of O’Reilly just now. Excuse me while I go outside and laugh.

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 5:04:17pm

re: #148 RealityBasedEbola

Is it like how I used to make my cats run back and forth across the living room with a laser pointer?

RBS

exactly.
so fuckin predictable.

153 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 5:05:50pm

re: #139 Vogon Poetry

Launching a rocket isn’t so easy to do, even after 60+ years of firing them into orbit. They still blow up in a multitude of ways. You’re talking about a vastly complex piece of machinery that is stuffed to the gills with explosive fuels and is expected to handle massive changes and stresses of flight (multiple Gs). Any failure of a critical component can bring the whole thing down in a fireball of fury (memo to me - that’s a great band name).

Werner von Braun and NASA blew up lots of rockets when they were starting out. Other rocket makers and designers had major problems too - US, Soviet, and other countries. OSC may figure out their issues too, especially with their Russian motor designs - the NK-33.

“It’s a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one’s safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract.”

154 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:07:05pm

Since rockets are being talked about, it should be mentioned that the father of liquid fueled rocketry was American Robert H. Goddard. He led a very interesting life and wasn’t really as accepted for what he did as he should have been.

I’m not sure how true it is, but I was always told the German rockets were developed off of Goddard’s experiments and writings.

If you want some good science reading study Goddard.

155 lawhawk  Oct 28, 2014 5:08:23pm

re: #145 bill d

Hey, I once made a model battleship and aircraft carrier.

I can give advice on how a Ford class carrier should be designed and built. /CCJ logic

156 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 5:10:43pm
157 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 5:11:04pm
158 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 5:11:18pm
159 b_sharp  Oct 28, 2014 5:13:06pm

re: #140 Eventual Carrion

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She’s an arrogant idiot.

160 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 28, 2014 5:13:21pm

re: #146 Kid A

Fixed.

Thanks.

I think it’s really important to remember that wingnuts are not nuts; they’re stupid, cruel people getting off on perpetuating their stupid, cruel worldview.

Authoritarians and narcissists on all stripes will say things as deranged as clinical delusion, and as conspiratorial as clinical paranoia, but they’ve smoothly integrated into their worldview such that it’s a coherent, even comforting, component of their identity. There’s government conspiracies so they can be the courageous resistor, there’s apocalypse so they can be the prophet.

ETA: This explains the glib ease with which they move from talking point to talking point. Mentally ill people are trapped by their fixations; they don’t get to discard them at a moment’s notice.

161 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 5:13:22pm

Language is NSFW, launch starts at about 3 minutes. Also, it’s loud.

Youtube Video

162 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:14:59pm

Holy crap. But—you know it goes on.

Insider-Trading Probe Focuses on Medicare Agency
SEC Investigates Whether CMS Employees Leaked News

online.wsj.com

163 danarchy  Oct 28, 2014 5:15:41pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Since rockets are being talked about, it should be mentioned that the father of liquid fueled rocketry was American Robert H. Goddard. He led a very interesting life and wasn’t really as accepted for what he did as he should have been.

I’m not sure how true it is, but I was always told the German rockets were developed off of Goddard’s experiments and writings.

If you want some good science reading study Goddard.

He went to my Alma Mater. The Chemistry building was named after him. Luckily aside from a couple classes freshman year I didn’t have to spend much time there, the negative pressure was annoying.

wpi.edu

164 Floral Giraffe  Oct 28, 2014 5:17:20pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

Charles, THANK YOU for staying all over CCJ’s ass.
And he is a spewing ass.

165 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 5:18:11pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Since rockets are being talked about, it should be mentioned that the father of liquid fueled rocketry was American Robert H. Goddard. He led a very interesting life and wasn’t really as accepted for what he did as he should have been.

I’m not sure how true it is, but I was always told the German rockets were developed off of Goddard’s experiments and writings.

If you want some good science reading study Goddard.

Goddard is one of those men whose work was revolutionary, but ran into small-minded critics who couldn’t think beyond their own limited understanding. One wonders how many of those who scoffed at his predictions of sending rockets to the Moon lived to see the work he’d pioneered lead to Neil Armstrong’s footsteps.

166 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:18:28pm

re: #159 Dead Tired

She’s an arrogant idiot.

That is no way to go through life. Too bad there are so many of them.

By the way, I’d love how Chucky C talks about building rockets like he is some kind of scientist. Solid fuel model rockets are pretty simple, but I can almost bet Chucky screwed ‘em up. I bet they were all sloppily painted, big gobs of glue all over, fins not properly aligned, etc.

How do I know? Well, he fucks everything up that he does.

167 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 5:19:25pm

re: #159 Dead Tired

She’s an arrogant idiot.

And not very adept at spelling or grammar.

168 Bubblehead II  Oct 28, 2014 5:23:16pm

Night Lizards. I stated it would be a short stay. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours

Sleep well my friends.’

169 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 5:24:35pm

One more Charles P. Pierce quote for the day (Can you tell I love that guy?)

We can now add “public health emergencies” to the endless list of important things about which John McCain will run his yap despite knowing less than dick.

He was up around here this weekend, campaigning in New Hampshire for Scott Brown, which would have been a meeting of the minds, had they not been two short.

McCain was asked about the Ebola business and, naturally, he called for hearings because if John McCain isn’t on television not knowing dick about stuff every two days, he gets the bends.

170 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 5:24:43pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

What does being or not being a chickenshit in a political sense have to do with the military service?

171 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:24:50pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

That is no way to go through life. Too bad there are so many of them.

By the way, I’d love how Chucky C talks about building rockets like he is some kind of scientist. Solid fuel model rockets are pretty simple, but I can almost bet Chucky screwed ‘em up. I bet they were all sloppily painted, big gobs of glue all over, fins not properly aligned, etc.

How do I know? Well, he fucks everything up that he does.

He’s no Homer Hickam.

172 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 5:24:57pm
173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 5:25:04pm

Guessing we don’t have to worry about it now…

174 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:25:33pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

Goddard is one of those men whose work was revolutionary, but ran into small-minded critics who couldn’t think beyond their own limited understanding. One wonders how many of those who scoffed at his predictions of sending rockets to the Moon lived to see the work he’d pioneered lead to Neil Armstrong’s footsteps.

That sort of also goes to the thinking that America wouldn’t have had modern rockets if not for the Germans.

Hell, they stole the tech from Goddard!

And your comment also touches on a lot of the science debates of today. Like climate study, alternate fuels, electric fuel cell tech, etc. People (do we need to say who) scoff at all that stuff and yet, on down the road much of it will come to fruition. Some things never change.

175 Jay C  Oct 28, 2014 5:25:56pm

re: #145 bill d

you are aware that I have been building rockets since age 6 right?

When you cite figures as to exactly how many of them achieved Earth orbit, then we’ll be impressed …..

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 5:26:53pm

re: #175 Jay C

When you cite figures as to exactly how many of them achieved Earth orbit, then we’ll be impressed …..

yep. bottle rockets don’t really count.

177 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 5:27:07pm

Antares was unmanned, right? No loss of life?

178 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 5:27:16pm

Charles C. Johnson, Assistant Surgeon General and Rear Admiral, USPHS.

Charles C. Johnson, known to his colleagues and friends as “C.C.”, was the first African American PHS officer to serve as an agency head in the Public Health Service when nominated by President Lyndon Johnson to serve as the Administrator of the Consumer Protection and Environmental Health Service within the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, now the Department of Health and Human Services.

179 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 5:27:35pm

re: #177 Kragar

Antares was unmanned, right? No loss of life?

No loss of life.

180 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 5:29:11pm

re: #179 klys

No loss of life.

That is what I thought, but wasn’t sure about possible ground crew, etc.

181 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 28, 2014 5:29:20pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Since rockets are being talked about, it should be mentioned that the father of liquid fueled rocketry was American Robert H. Goddard. He led a very interesting life and wasn’t really as accepted for what he did as he should have been.

I’m not sure how true it is, but I was always told the German rockets were developed off of Goddard’s experiments and writings.

If you want some good science reading study Goddard.

According to his autobiography, Von Braun honestly believed at the time of his capture that the US was ahead of him in rocketry, thanks to Goddard. He reasoned that the only reason the allies had not deployed something like the V-2 was that allied air superiority made it pointless. At one point he told his interrogators “I thought Goddard would have told you all about it.” He was amazed to learn that the visionary American had been put to work in an obscure post developing take-off assist rockets for the Navy.
Among other things, Goddard perfected vectored-nozzle steering before the war and actually flew rockets with this innovation. Von Braun did not use nozzle vectoring until he had been in the US for several years. His German (and first American) rockets, including the A-4 (“V-2), used a crude system of graphite vanes impinging on the exhaust to provide thrust vectoring, a system that robbed the rocket of up to 17% of its thrust.

182 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 5:29:36pm

re: #180 Kragar

That is what I thought, but wasn’t sure about possible ground crew, etc.

Yeah, they confirmed within 5 minutes or so that all personnel were accounted for and no injuries.

183 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:32:55pm

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

According to his autobiography, Von Braun honestly believed at the time of his capture that the US was ahead of him in rocketry, thanks to Goddard. He reasoned that the only reason the allies had not deployed something like the V-2 was that allied air superiority made it pointless. At one point he told his interrogators “I thought Goddard would have told you all about it.” He was amazed to learn that the visionary American had been put to work in an obscure post developing take-off assist rockets for the Navy.
Among other things, Goddard perfected vectored-nozzle steering before the war and actually flew rockets with this innovation. Von Braun did not use nozzle vectoring until he had been in the US for several years. His German (and first American) rockets, including the A-4 (“V-2), used a crude system of graphite vanes impinging on the exhaust to provide thrust vectoring, a system that robbed the rocket of up to 17% of its thrust.

Well, they were working on all that atomic bomb shit. So there’s that.

184 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:32:57pm

What do retired astronauts do?

Orbital Sciences Executive Vice President Frank Culbertson: ‘We will conduct a thorough investigation immediately to determine the cause of this failure and what steps can be taken to avoid a repeat of this incident. As soon as we understand the cause we will begin the necessary work to return to flight to support our customers and the nation’s space program’ - statement
end of alert

185 blah blah ad hominem mumbo jumbo.  Oct 28, 2014 5:33:02pm

She is such a doll! So happy you made it through sweetie!

186 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:33:10pm

re: #180 Kragar

That is what I thought, but wasn’t sure about possible ground crew, etc.

I’m not sure how far back everyone is from the launch pad, but I bet there isn’t a human within a half mile or more of the pad. And even then, they may be in explosion proof buildings, underground or the like.

And with all the technology in remote electronics, cell phones, video camera and the like, it is pretty easy to do a launch from a remote location.

187 The War TARDIS  Oct 28, 2014 5:34:21pm

re: #172 Kragar

Never trust Russian tech.

188 Kragar  Oct 28, 2014 5:34:37pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

I’m not sure how far back everyone is from the launch pad, but I bet there isn’t a human within a half mile or more of the pad. And even then, they may be in explosion proof buildings, underground or the like.

And with all the technology in remote electronics, cell phones, video camera and the like, it is pretty easy to do a launch from a remote location.

When you have a blast like that, you know fragments are going to fly quite a ways.

189 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 5:35:37pm
190 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:35:43pm

re: #188 Kragar

When you have a blast like that, you know fragments are going to fly quite a ways.

How much of the “south end” is yet to be determined…

Orbital Sciences says damage appears to be limited to south end of Wallops Island, Va., after rocket suffers ‘catastrophic failure;’ no casualties reported - @OrbitalSciences
end of alert

191 goddamnedfrank  Oct 28, 2014 5:36:00pm

re: #170 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What does being or not being a chickenshit in a political sense have to do with the military service?

Exactly. The way Netanyahu acted in the run up to the Rabin assassination was pretty damned chickenshit and disgusting. It’s impossible to believe he didn’t know what appearing at rallies where Rabin was depicted on posters in an SS officer’s uniform with a sniper’s reticle super-imposed over him condoned. It’s hard to think he didn’t know exactly what telling those people that Rabin’s administration was “removed from Jewish tradition … and Jewish values” meant to them. He basically all but directly ordered his supporters to go out and kill the guy.

192 The War TARDIS  Oct 28, 2014 5:37:35pm

Seriously, considering our relationship with Russia, how do we know they didn’t sabtage it? Hmmm???

Granted, after the ethnic cleansing of the Muslim Tatars from Ukraine, and the murder of 298 people on Flight 17, I despise Russia.

193 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 5:37:44pm

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

My Step Dad’s first job out of college was under Von Braun in Huntsville. Pretty impressive.

194 Dark_Falcon  Oct 28, 2014 5:38:58pm

re: #60 RealityBasedEbola

It’s obvious that they needed Chucky C “The Rocketeer” Johnson’s help.

RBS

He’s more like someone Goebbels sent along with the Nazi team sent to steal the Rocketeer’s technology. His job is to put together the story of how the tech was really developed by the ‘Glorious Third Reich’.

Oh yeah, I went there.

195 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 5:39:34pm

re: #192 The War TARDIS

Seriously, considering our relationship with Russia, how do we know they didn’t sabtage it? Hmmm???

Granted, after the ethnic cleansing of the Muslim Tatars from Ukraine, and the murder of 298 people on Flight 17, I despise Russia.

Let’s try and keep the conspiracy theories off this site, yes?

196 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 5:40:02pm
197 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:40:24pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

He’s more like someone Goebbels sent along with the Nazi team sent to steal the Rocketeer’s technology. His job is to put together the story of how the tech was really developed by the ‘Glorious Third Reich’.

Oh yeah, I went there.

Goebbels was more intelligent that UpChuck. He’s more like a Col. Klink, but stupider.

198 Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2014 5:41:19pm
199 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:41:25pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Michelle Nunn Palling Around w/ Anti-Military, Pro-ACORN Activist

WTF did ACORN have to do with the military?

Where’s that desk flipping gif when you need it.

200 The War TARDIS  Oct 28, 2014 5:41:49pm

re: #195 klys

I don’t truly believe it happened, but I feel that it is good to promote these sort of things against Russia. To make them look worse.

That was uncalled for. Sorry for the slimy nastiness.

201 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 5:42:08pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

I don’t truly believe it happened, but I feel that it is good to promote these sort of things against Russia. To make them look worse.

Dude.

What the fuck.

No.

202 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:42:25pm

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

How much of the “south end” is yet to be determined…

Orbital Sciences says damage appears to be limited to south end of Wallops Island, Va., after rocket suffers ‘catastrophic failure;’ no casualties reported - @OrbitalSciences
end of alert

Yeah, I’d say that qualifies as “catastrophic.”

203 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 5:42:38pm

What’s with the childish bs?

204 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:42:38pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

I don’t truly believe it happened, but I feel that it is good to promote these sort of things against Russia. To make them look worse.

Not when it’s nothing but bullshit.

205 sagehen  Oct 28, 2014 5:43:27pm

re: #23 Justanotherhuman

Oh boy, a teeny wheelchair will be delivered tomorrow for my g-grandson. They’ll bring a 12” and 14” and decide which fits him best. I’m going to stay w/him if I’m allowed in school Thurs and Fri to make sure he gets acclimated to it. However, instead of trying to train him to transfer from the chair to the toilet, I’m sending the urinal bottle w/him to use in the restroom since teachers are not allowed to enter the facility when kids are using it (molestation/liability issues).

Hopefully, this will reduce the strain on both him and me (he has to be carried everywhere since he can’t put any weight on the leg that’s in a cast. And he’s getting a bit bored and I’m exhausted. : }

You realize every house you go to is going to think it’s just a costume…

206 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:43:41pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

I don’t truly believe it happened, but I feel that it is good to promote these sort of things against Russia. To make them look worse.

No, it’s never cool to promote unsourced speculation about shit like this. It’s 9/11 truther territory.

207 goddamnedfrank  Oct 28, 2014 5:44:48pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

I don’t truly believe it happened, but I feel that it is good to promote these sort of things against Russia. To make them look worse.

So you’re just ignorantly propagandizing out of sheer animus then?

That’s neither useful nor interesting.

208 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:45:06pm

NASA keeps postponing their press conference. Someone’s trying to get their stories straight.

209 jamesfirecat  Oct 28, 2014 5:45:19pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

I don’t truly believe it happened, but I feel that it is good to promote these sort of things against Russia. To make them look worse.

A man who lies for a good cause sooner or later will lie for a bad one.

210 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 5:45:29pm

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

“Bibi is no chickenshit. He ain’t come from no chikin and he’s made of meat,” - the Chuckles level of reasoning.

211 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:45:58pm

re: #188 Kragar

When you have a blast like that, you know fragments are going to fly quite a ways.

Even model rockets can be dangerous.

One of the contests we used to have was called Plastic Model. You had to take any type of plastic model kit (and I do mean any!) and make it fly.

That might sound easy, but plastic kits are not designed to fly. They are heavy, out of balance and where do you mount the engine?!

One of the craziest attempts I will never forget was a kid trying to fly the old Revell Gemini space walking astronaut kit. The rocket engine was of course mounted into a engine tube up the model man’s butt. He had some thin plexiglass fins glued on to try to stabilize it for flight.

When he fired it off, it went about ten feet straight up, turned and proceeded to chase all the folks watching the event away from the launch table. It flew sort of like a big bumble bee…sideways, up, down and all around. Luckily it was so heavy and under powered it was slow. It was funny as hell.

One of the cooler attempts that worked fairly well was a kid that flew an AMT plastic model of Don Garlits Swamp Rat top fueler dragster.

Ahh, good times for a kid.

212 Dark_Falcon  Oct 28, 2014 5:46:17pm

re: #183 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Well, they were working on all that atomic bomb shit. So there’s that.

Yes, but the Manhattan Project didn’t involve working the people making the atomic bombs to death, whereas the construction of V-2 rockets did.

213 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 5:46:25pm

re: #172 Kragar

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Yeah, no shocker there. Trying to undercut the competition by finding the least expensive parts possible, ends up pulling relics out of the garage on the promise that they can be reconditioned cheaper than a fresh-built engine.

The irony of it all? The NK-33 hasn’t been built since the 70s and Orbital only has a limited number left. The alternative engine’s supply is devoted to ULA’s launchers and so Orbital is practically begging Kuznetsov to restart NK-33 production.

214 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:46:46pm

re: #205 sagehen

You realize every house you go to is going to think it’s just a costume…

Oh, no one around here goes door to door (no sidewalks at any rate). They’ll do a “trick or treat” at the daycare, and his dad is taking him to a friend’s later (don’t know what the plan is quite yet on that trip).

But he’ll be the only Spiderman in a wheelchair. : )

215 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 5:47:35pm

re: #208 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

NASA keeps postponing their press conference. Someone’s trying to get their stories straight.

Uhm, all of our spokespeople just checked in Christie’s quarantine tent for the next 3 weeks.

//

216 Eventual Carrion  Oct 28, 2014 5:47:41pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guessing we don’t have to worry about it now…

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Does Eddie Snowjob have backups?

217 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 5:47:47pm

re: #199 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

WTF did ACORN have to do with the military?

Where’s that desk flipping gif when you need it.

WTF does ACORN have to do with anything in 2014? It’s been disbanded since 2010.

218 makeitstop  Oct 28, 2014 5:47:51pm

re: #127 withak

Meanwhile, the MN GOP is capitalizing on fear:

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Just got this mailer.

That’s a Republican thing now - “vote against” so-and-so.”

The ads here in NY urge you to “Vote no on so-and-so.”

They have absolutely no positive vision left. None.

219 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:48:30pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but the Manhattan Project didn’t involve working the people making the atomic bombs to death, whereas the construction of V-2 rockets did.

Yeah, not having slave labor to turn to did tend to bring different outcomes. OTOH, I wonder how many Manhattan Project workers suffered radiation poisoning?

220 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:48:48pm

re: #193 Stanley Seabola

My Step Dad’s first job out of college was under Von Braun in Huntsville. Pretty impressive.

Oh, that is real cool. Great first job.

221 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 5:49:07pm

re: #208 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

NASA keeps postponing their press conference. Someone’s trying to get their stories straight.

More like they’re trying to figure out who’s falling on their sword.

222 The War TARDIS  Oct 28, 2014 5:49:26pm

re: #209 jamesfirecat

I can see your point. I do apologize for the demagoguery there.

223 Dark_Falcon  Oct 28, 2014 5:50:01pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

I don’t truly believe it happened, but I feel that it is good to promote these sort of things against Russia. To make them look worse.

Thanks what Jim Hoft, Chucky C., and Joel Pollack do. It’s what Putin does. We’re better than that here. You’re better than that.

224 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 5:50:05pm

Youtube Video

The launch from a plane! Loud drone from the plane, some NSFW language.

225 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 5:50:49pm

I don’t care who made the rocket. It’s such a bummer when it fails.

226 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 5:51:07pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

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“Yeah, right, and who’s the real racist?” ///

227 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:51:14pm

Second failure to launch a press conference, too.

Editor’s note: The press conference on the Antares rocket launch failure has been pushed back for the second time, according to NASA. It is now scheduled for 9 pm ET. - Jillian
end of note

228 goddamnedfrank  Oct 28, 2014 5:51:27pm

re: #219 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Yeah, not having slave labor to turn to did tend to bring different outcomes. OTOH, I wonder how many Manhattan Project workers suffered radiation poisoning?

The two Demon Core incidents that each cost a life didn’t occur until after the bombs had been dropped on Japan.

229 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 28, 2014 5:51:40pm

re: #221 Targetpractice

More like they’re trying to figure out who’s falling on their sword.

Youtube Video

230 TedStriker  Oct 28, 2014 5:51:58pm

re: #187 The War TARDIS

Never trust Russian tech.

“American components, Russian components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!”

///

Seriously, though…given the perception (and, often, the reality) that Russian space tech was inferior to ours makes me respect the cosmonauts, especially from the Soviet era, that much more.

If the vaunted NASA astronauts of yore had huge brass balls, the cosmonauts had larger ones made out of solid titanium.

231 Indy GOP Refugee  Oct 28, 2014 5:52:14pm

I just got a bunch of pictures of my brave (not!) big cat facing down a praying mantis.Freaking bug went all Karate kid pose LOL

Predator Vs Pray?

Just moments ago
Praying Mantis Meets Karate Kid

Confront?

Predator Vs Pray

232 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 5:53:14pm
As Orbital has little experience with large liquid stages and LOX propellant, some of the Antares first stage work was contracted to the Ukrainian Yuzhnoye SDO, designers of the Zenit series.

“Never trust the Ukrainian tech.”

233 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:53:20pm

re: #217 BeachDem

WTF does ACORN have to do with anything in 2014? It’s been disbanded since 2010.

See, that’s just what they want you to believe.

///

234 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 5:53:26pm

Taibbi’s Dudebro rag sounded absolutely horrible, I hate it even though now it will probably never happen:

The digital magazine would include longform writing and short videos, but also pranks, inside jokes, and stunts. The pair envisioned their team as a group of renegades, shaking a fist both at the rich and powerful and at other media companies as well.

niemanlab.org

235 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 5:53:55pm

re: #230 TedStriker

“American components, Russian components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!”

///

Seriously, though…given the perception (and, often, the reality) that Russian space tech was inferior to ours makes me respect the cosmonauts, especially from the Soviet era, that much more.

If the vaunted astronauts of NASA yore had huge brass balls, the cosmonauts had larger ones made out of solid titanium.

Don’t forget Laika and our other animal friends, too. : )

236 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 5:54:26pm

re: #234 bill d

Sounds desperate, most of all.

237 BigBadDemocrat  Oct 28, 2014 5:54:31pm

All I can see is the up leg panty shot on the girl in the glasses behind the nurse good body.

238 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 5:54:45pm

re: #208 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

NASA keeps postponing their press conference. Someone’s trying to get their stories straight.

Usually takes months to get the story straight enough for prevention purposes. Right now they’re at Walmart buying fresh underwear.

239 Eventual Carrion  Oct 28, 2014 5:55:01pm

re: #217 BeachDem

WTF does ACORN have to do with anything in 2014? It’s been disbanded since 2010.

Gotta make the good times last.

240 Kid A  Oct 28, 2014 5:55:23pm

241 Dark_Falcon  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:04pm

BBL

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:05pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

“Promote” that conspiracy crap somewhere else.

good grief.

243 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:05pm

Pranks, inside jokes and stunts! All in our fine media circus!

244 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:17pm

re: #231 Rightwingconspirator

The mantis shot is perfection.

245 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:23pm

re: #234 bill d

Taibbi’s Dudebro rag sounded absolutely horrible, I hate it even though now it will probably never happen:

niemanlab.org

Sounds like they were trying to compete with Cracked, until an intern (since fired) piped up with “But they have a sense of humor.”

246 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:26pm

re: #224 klys

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Video

The launch from a plane! Loud drone from the plane, some NSFW language.

Looks like that went all wrong right from the engines firing.

247 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:34pm

And it sounds like they’re about to begin the presser:

nasa.gov

(thanks to someone above for the link)

248 Vicious Piebola  Oct 28, 2014 5:56:53pm
249 Eventual Carrion  Oct 28, 2014 5:57:57pm

re: #232 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“Never trust the Ukrainian tech.”

Betty? Is that you?

250 Indy GOP Refugee  Oct 28, 2014 5:58:01pm

re: #244 Stanley Seabola

Thank you. Used what we jokingly call our Nat Geo lens. 60mm macro. No animals or bugs were harmed we brought kitty in for non insectoid treats.

251 The War TARDIS  Oct 28, 2014 5:58:06pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

They could just take their lumps and say this:

“We mistakenly trusted a company with little experience with liquid fueled rockets and a willingness to cut corners by using old, obsolete technology to use a liquid fuel rocket to supply the Space Station. We apologize.”

Also, this is our first big rocket failure in a while. Russia has had more than one recently, and rockets can be sensitive.

252 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 5:58:11pm
253 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 5:58:14pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

Yeah, no shocker there. Trying to undercut the competition by finding the least expensive parts possible, ends up pulling relics out of the garage on the promise that they can be reconditioned cheaper than a fresh-built engine.

The irony of it all? The NK-33 hasn’t been built since the 70s and Orbital only has a limited number left. The alternative engine’s supply is devoted to ULA’s launchers and so Orbital is practically begging Kuznetsov to restart NK-33 production.

Orbital faces the obstacle that the expertise for designing and building large liquid fueled engines has all but melted away in the U.S. The specialist job shops that made most of the parts are almost all gone, the engineers who knew the work best are retired or deceased, the people who knew how to assemble and test the things the same.

254 klystron  Oct 28, 2014 5:58:17pm

re: #246 ObserverArt

Looks like that went all wrong right from the engines firing.

My gut feeling watching it live was that something wasn’t right from ignition but as I am not a rocket scientist that is worth about as much as a fart in the wind.

255 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 5:58:23pm

re: #237 BigBadDemocrat

Dog. lol.

256 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 5:58:57pm

I’m looking for Darth in the stands.

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 5:59:08pm

re: #254 klys

My gut feeling watching it live was that something wasn’t right from ignition but as I am not a rocket scientist that is worth about as much as a fart in the wind.

I blame that damned boat in the bay yesterday…

///////

258 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 5:59:50pm

re: #230 TedStriker

“American components, Russian components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!”

///

Seriously, though…given the perception (and, often, the reality) that Russian space tech was inferior to ours makes me respect the cosmonauts, especially from the Soviet era, that much more.

If the vaunted astronauts of NASA yore had huge brass balls, the cosmonauts had larger ones made out of solid titanium.

Considering the number of deaths in the Soviet space program due to equipment failures of one kind or another, it’s a wonder that they found volunteers to go along for the ride.

259 The War TARDIS  Oct 28, 2014 6:00:45pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

Again, I am sorry for that idiotic idea in the first place.

260 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 6:00:58pm

Rocket explosion from 3,000 ft…

Youtube Video

261 bill d  Oct 28, 2014 6:01:08pm

re: #256 Stanley Seabola

I’m looking for Darth in the stands.

He’s the one flipping over a desk

262 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 6:01:24pm

re: #253 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Orbital faces the obstacle that the expertise for designing and building large liquid fueled engines has all but melted away in the U.S. The specialist job shops that made most of the parts are almost all gone, the engineers who knew the work best are retired or deceased, the people who knew how to assemble and test the things the same.

Yep, so it’s either crib from other guys, use legacy parts, or spend the money to go back to basics. Seems they tried door number two and now are paying for it. Not exactly something new or different in the private sector.

263 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 6:01:58pm

re: #261 bill d

He’s the one flipping over a desk

More like flipping the bird.

264 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 6:02:39pm

re: #262 Targetpractice

Yep, so it’s either crib from other guys, use legacy parts, or spend the money to go back to basics. Seems they tried door number two and now are paying for it. Not exactly something new or different in the private sector.

You don’t use typewriter parts on a computer keyboard…

265 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 6:03:05pm

re: #249 Eventual Carrion

Betty? Is that you?

Yes.

So it seems from this overview that only Ukraine was involved (outside the US).

266 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 6:03:35pm

Prairefire!!!!

267 BigBadDemocrat  Oct 28, 2014 6:03:48pm

I’m from Texas ,,, do not watch the vote returns from here Tue. night.

Not going to be nice.

268 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 6:03:48pm

“Will begin momentarily.”

Dammit, NASA, stay on time!

269 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 6:05:03pm

re: #267 BigBadDemocrat

I’m from Texas ,,, do not watch the vote returns from here Tue. night.

Not going to be nice.

I’m from Kentucky and I’ll say the same thing about here.

270 Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2014 6:05:27pm

re: #264 Justanotherhuman

You don’t use typewriter parts on a computer keyboard…

Who says you can’t?

271 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 6:05:50pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m from Kentucky and I’ll say the same thing about here.

I’m hoping McConnell has a sleepless night, but not too hopeful.

272 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 6:06:38pm

The Antares explosion gives new meaning to “the rocket’s red glare”.

273 TedStriker  Oct 28, 2014 6:06:59pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Who says you can’t?

Pretty nice steampunk PC there.

274 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 6:07:22pm

San Francisco is the New Ager capital of the world, so I suggest — nay, implore — that they channel Willie now!

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 6:08:17pm

re: #271 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

I’m hoping McConnell has a sleepless night, but not too hopeful.

Given all the desperate campaigning he’s been doing lately, my guess is that he’s already losing sleep.

276 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 6:08:26pm

re: #274 De Kolta Chair

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San Francisco is the capital of New Ager bullshit, so I suggest, nay implore, that they channel Willie now!

Been a while since I’ve seen crop marks on a photo. Takes me back.

277 bubba zanetti  Oct 28, 2014 6:08:38pm
278 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 6:09:03pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

Given all the desperate campaigning he’s been doing lately, my guess is that he’s already losing sleep.

Good

279 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 6:09:18pm

re: #276 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

As an old publishing dog, I was thinking the exact same thing. ‘-)

280 jamesfirecat  Oct 28, 2014 6:09:21pm

re: #222 The War TARDIS

I can see your point. I do apologize for the demagoguery there.

I just won an argument on the Internet!

Where’s my confetti?

281 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 6:09:26pm

re: #277 bubba zanetti

BREAKING GOAT NEWS

Possessed goat?

282 Justanotherhuman  Oct 28, 2014 6:10:08pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Who says you can’t?

Ugh. Steampunk?

283 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 28, 2014 6:10:13pm

re: #279 De Kolta Chair

As an old publishing dog, I was thinking the exact same thing. ‘-)

All you need now is a proportion wheel ;)

284 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 6:10:50pm

re: #282 Justanotherhuman

Ugh. Steampunk?

A dudebro keyboard. ;)

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 6:10:53pm

re: #283 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

All you need now is a proportion wheel ;)

I haz a couple of those!
And blue pencils!

286 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 6:11:02pm

watch this. watch this. watch this.

287 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 28, 2014 6:13:24pm

re: #286 Stanley Seabola

[self-censored]

288 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 6:13:39pm

re: #267 BigBadDemocrat

I’m from Texas ,,, do not watch the vote returns from here Tue. night.

Not going to be nice.

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m from Kentucky and I’ll say the same thing about here.

All I have to say is South Carolina.

289 ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2014 6:14:04pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

I haz a couple of those!
And blue pencils!

Talking Paste-Ups.

What used to be.

290 The War TARDIS  Oct 28, 2014 6:14:24pm

This is getting frustrating.

Fast forward to the 21st century. In Dracula Untold, Mehmet II seals his demands on Vlad with a bloody thumb-print, and the scene’s final shot is of the Sultan’s thumb on an imperial edict, alongside a stamp bearing the name of God in Arabic script. The Sultan’s cruelty then is the will of the Muslim god, who is out to get your children. Today, vilification of Islam has reached such heights, that even when the Sultan is cast opposite history’s bloodiest-psycho-tyrant, it’s Dracula who emerges as the tragic hero.

291 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 6:14:32pm

omg. America.

292 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 6:15:08pm

re: #288 BeachDem

All I have to say is South Carolina.

I say, my esteemed senator, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third, is running unopposed.

293 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 6:17:12pm

I clicked the link to the story:

thefreethoughtproject.com

294 BeachDem  Oct 28, 2014 6:17:57pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

I say, my esteemed senator, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third, is running unopposed.

And I say, both of my esteemed senators, the honorable(?) Lindsey Graham, and the invisible Tim Scott might as well be. (And the delightful MarkyMark Sanford is running unopposed.)

295 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2014 6:18:59pm

re: #289 ObserverArt

Talking Paste-Ups.

What used to be.

hot wax!

296 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 6:19:38pm
When we asked him why he refused Natividad answered in a statement reminiscent of Emiliano Zapata’s famous quote which is, “I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.”

Nattividad tells the Free Thought Project,

“I wasn’t under arrest the deputy even admits that I did nothing yet had a gun pointed at me. Where’s the logic in that? I was afraid and if I was going to get harmed I’d much rather take it standing than on my face.”
Natividad tells us that eventually two more officers approached him and threatened to taser and beat him with a baton and he was cuffed and put into the back of a cruiser. But he never went face down.

The driver of the vehicle was arrested for DUI of marijuana and released the next day.

Natividad, after standing his ground and asserting his rights, was then free to go.

Read more at thefreethoughtproject.com

297 De Kolta Chair  Oct 28, 2014 6:19:48pm

re: #283 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

All you need now is a proportion wheel ;)

For those who aren’t acquainted with the Right Reverend’s reference, this is a proportion wheel. Once upon a time it ruled the print world.

298 Stanley Seabola  Oct 28, 2014 6:21:01pm

Well, that was fucking heavy.

299 jamesfirecat  Oct 28, 2014 6:22:57pm

re: #290 The War TARDIS

This is getting frustrating.

First of all, it’s downright silly to call Vlad Tepes III history’s bloodiest tyrant, most stories seem to portray him as cruel but fair and he certainly never rose to the level of Hitler or Stalin, if it weren’t for Mr. Stoker’s book he’d be no more heavily remembered than most Romanian rulers…

300 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 28, 2014 6:31:47pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

I say, my esteemed senator, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third, is running unopposed.

The Democratic party’s leadership seems to be clueless regarding first rule of winning: play. They’ve ignored piss poor state parties and the GOP takeover of numerous state legislatures for years. WTF did they think would happen? We could elect Jesus Q. Einstein in 2016 and it would mean exactly fuck-all because the GOP holds the House and can obstruct in the Senate.

301 Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2014 6:33:39pm

re: #300 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Democratic party’s leadership seems to be clueless regarding first rule of winning: play. They’ve ignored piss poor state parties and the GOP takeover of numerous state legislatures for years. WTF did they think would happen? We could elect Jesus Q. Einstein in 2016 and it would mean exactly fuck-all because the GOP holds the House and can obstruct in the Senate.

Gotta pay to play. The Alabama Democratic Party had to ask for an extension on their phone bill earlier this year.


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