US and China Announce Historic Agreement on Climate Change

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Some excellent news from President Obama’s trip to China: BREAKING: The US and China Just Announced a Huge Deal on Climate—and It’s a Game Changer.

So much for the conventional wisdom that China will never agree to reduce carbon emissions. Two of the world’s major carbon-producing countries have made an historic deal, and of course we can fully expect the Republican Party to freak right out over it.

According to the plan, the United States will reduce carbon emissions 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025, nearly twice the existing target—without imposing new restrictions on power plants or vehicles.

Tuesday’s announcement is equally remarkable for China’s commitment. For the first time, China has set a date at which it expects its emissions will “peak,” or finally begin to taper downward: around 2030. China is currently the world’s biggest emitter of carbon pollution, largely because of its coal-dependent economy, and reining in emissions while continuing to grow has been the paramount challenge for China’s leaders.

The White House said in a statement that China could reach the target even sooner than 2030. It “expects that China will succeed in peaking its emissions before 2030 based on its broad economic reform program, plans to address air pollution, and implementation of President Xi’s call for an energy revolution.”

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393 comments

1 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 11:51:07am
2 Internet Tough Guy  Nov 12, 2014 11:51:44am

HE SOLD US OUT TO THE COMMIES IMPEACH11111elvently1111000

/ted cruz

3 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 11:52:32am

I blame Obama.

4 meteor  Nov 12, 2014 11:52:38am

Oh noes too much clean

5 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 11:53:12am

China = COMMUNIST EVIL
Obama = MUSLIM SOCIALIST EVIL
Climate Change = EVIL LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL

we are looking at the Trifecta of ABSOLUTE EVIL here

6 Mattand  Nov 12, 2014 11:53:46am

Cleaner air and less pollution by cooperating with a long time rival, thereby benefiting the entire planet?

THANKS, OBAMA!!!!

7 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 11:54:41am

re: #6 Mattand

Cleaner air and less pollution by cooperating with a long time rival, thereby benefiting the entire planet?

THANKS, OBAMA!!!!

AGW is a lie, so let’s pollute away!!!1

8 Mattand  Nov 12, 2014 11:55:21am

Fox News headline:

“Obama Destroys Chinese Industry With Oppressive Pollution Guidelines!”

9 lawhawk  Nov 12, 2014 11:55:38am

The GOP freakout will continue until morale bank statements of old white rich guys improves captures 99% of all wealth. /

Seriously though, the GOP is disconnected from reality when it comes to anything science-based, including climatology and the environment. They’ve been saying for years the US can’t and shouldn’t act unilaterally while China continues pumping out pollutants. Well, now there’s a bilateral deal and it’s a workable one for both the US, China, and the rest of the world.

The GOP response? Inevitable claims that the President overstepped his authority or such other nonsense. Or that China will reneg on the deal.

10 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 11:56:04am

OBAMA SMOKES THE CIGARETTES AND OTHER THINGS BUT NOW HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH AIR POLLUTION!?!?

11 FemNaziBitch  Nov 12, 2014 11:56:48am

BENGHAZI!!!

12 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 11:56:56am

Paying for you hippies to breathe cleaner air is gonna cut into my ammo budget.

13 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 11:57:04am

re: #8 Mattand

Fox News headline:

“Obama Destroys Chinese Industry With Oppressive Pollution Guidelines!”

I could see that. “Evil commie Obama against the good, capitalist China!”

14 FemNaziBitch  Nov 12, 2014 11:58:47am

re: #13 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I could see that. “Evil commie Obama against the good, capitalist China!”

Same capitalist China that sold contaminated baby formula?

Damn those Socialist American government regulations.

15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 11:59:37am

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

Same capitalist China that sold contaminated baby formula?

Damn those Socialist American government regulations.

Don’t confuse me with facts!!1

16 Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2014 12:00:04pm
17 Vicious Piebola  Nov 12, 2014 12:00:23pm

#tcot has worked up into a fine lather. Rinse, repeat.

18 Vicious Piebola  Nov 12, 2014 12:01:47pm
19 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 12:02:42pm

re: #17 Vicious Piebola

#tcot has worked up into a fine lather. Rinse, repeat.

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Energy policy has to be like sex: quick, cheap and dirty.

20 Mattand  Nov 12, 2014 12:02:52pm

How do these people not manage to injure themselves on a daily basis?

21 S'latch  Nov 12, 2014 12:03:01pm

This is great news! It is a shame that the U.S. electorate has placed a rather large GOP traffic jam on the road.

22 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 12:04:58pm

re: #21 S’latch

This is great news! It is a shame that the U.S. electorate has placed a rather large GOP traffic jam on the road.

I see this as a mirror image of Reagan’s last two years: he lost his Congressional majority so he turned his energies to where he could get things done, such as detente and disarmament with the USSR

23 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:06:15pm

re: #17 Vicious Piebola

#tcot has worked up into a fine lather. Rinse, repeat.

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These are the same people who in 2010 claimed we would be paying $5/gal for gas and who now claim cheap gas hurts the economy

24 lawhawk  Nov 12, 2014 12:09:44pm

re: #17 Vicious Piebola

Of course, these nitwits ignore that the President said that the US is already on course to meet those goals without any additional effort - based on the EPA regs to reduce emissions by 30% from the 2005 levels by 2030. That’s not as tough as it sounds, as the shift to low/no emission energy sources is accelerating and the recession meant more companies began emphasizing efficiencies.

The GOP, on the other hand, is rearing its ugly anti-science head to roll back the EPA regulations (making the air dirtier and making the US less efficient in the long run).

But as we mentioned yesterday, next year’s GOP-controlled Congress will seek to undermine those EPA rules. As the New York Times adds, “While the agreement with China needs no congressional ratification, lawmakers could try to roll back Mr. Obama’s initiatives, undermining the United States’ ability to meet the new reduction targets.”

25 Ace-o-aces  Nov 12, 2014 12:12:50pm

re: #24 lawhawk

The GOP, on the other hand, is rearing its ugly anti-science head to roll back the EPA regulations (making the air dirtier and making the US less efficient in the long run).

CLEAN AIR ACT IS CONPIRIACY BY LIBRULS TO GIVE AWAY FREE OXYGEN TO TEH POORS!!!!!!

26 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 12, 2014 12:13:23pm

re:
#24

Hurr hurr moar pollutions and carbons = more jobz and economy!!!!!!11

27 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:14:00pm
28 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 12:14:42pm

Lead is good. It’s a mineral, just like Iron….

RBS

29 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 12, 2014 12:16:12pm

re:
#17

Hurr hurr Obuma agreed with China to distract from GOP elections wins!!!!11

30 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 12, 2014 12:17:20pm

re:
#27

Wingnut logic 2010: GAS IS GOING TO BE $5 UNDER OBAMA 2014: CHEAP GAS IS BAD NOW: ENERGY COSTS WILL GO UP BECAUSE OF OBAMA’S CHINA DEAL lol

Also disarming Border Patrol while overarming DHS!!!!!!11

31 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 12:23:50pm

a friend of mine tells me her latest book has its own facebook page

it wants to friend me

32 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 12:24:18pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

a friend of mine tells me her latest book has its own facebook page

it wants to friend me

well, books are your friends.

33 Vicious Piebola  Nov 12, 2014 12:25:00pm

LOL Bryan still doesn’t realize his Tweetbot is busted.

34 Vicious Piebola  Nov 12, 2014 12:25:50pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

a friend of mine tells me her latest book has its own facebook page

it wants to friend me

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend.
Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.
(attributed to Mark Twain but not verified)

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 12:25:53pm

re: #17 Vicious Piebola

#tcot has worked up into a fine lather. Rinse, repeat.

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Let them whine and gnash their teeth.
I haz solar and wind, so I laugh at their pitiful cries of expensive energy anguish. (And where the hell have they been the last couple of decades or so, those hefty energy price increases across the board were OK?)

36 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 12:25:58pm

re: #32 RealityBasedEbola

well, books are your friends.

i keep my books close, and your books closer

37 Mattand  Nov 12, 2014 12:26:02pm

Semi-off topic: Got a relative who’s embracing the worst vegan anti-science mindset possible on Facebook. Posted a graphic that has the phrase “Racism=Specieism=Sexism.”

I told her to walk up to someone whose ancestors came here as slaves; or a woman who’s being paid less at her job; and tell them their experiences are no different than farm animals.

Be vegan all you want; just try to maintain some kind of sanity while you do it.

38 Mattand  Nov 12, 2014 12:26:26pm

re: #34 Vicious Piebola

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend.
Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.
(attributed to Mark Twain but not verified)

I saw attributed to Groucho Marx.

39 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:26:30pm
40 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 12, 2014 12:26:48pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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I know. I saw a Republican shake a scientist’s hand once and they both disappeared in a blaze of subatomic particles.

41 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 12:26:57pm

re: #34 Vicious Piebola

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend.
Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.
(attributed to Mark Twain but not verified)

Jonah managed somehow.

42 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 12:27:30pm

re: #39 Kragar

The rapid-onset amnesia is impressive.

43 Vicious Piebola  Nov 12, 2014 12:27:48pm

re: #37 Mattand

Semi-off topic: Got a relative who’s embracing the worst vegan anti-science mindset possible on Facebook. Posted a graphic that has the phrase “Racism=Specieism=Sexism.”

I told her to walk up to someone whose ancestors came here as slaves; or a woman who’s being paid less at her job; and tell them their experiences are no different than farm animals.

Be vegan all you want; just try to maintain some kind of sanity while you do it.

I sometimes think PETA is a false flag created by the meat industry just in order to make vegans look like idiots.

44 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2014 12:27:49pm

re: #38 Mattand

I saw attributed to Groucho Marx.

I’m more prone to believing the Grouch attribution. It’s more his kind of humor, and it sounds like him.

45 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 12:28:40pm

re: #9 lawhawk

The GOP freakout will continue until morale bank statements of old white rich guys improves captures 99% of all wealth. /

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The GOP response? Inevitable claims that the President overstepped his authority or such other nonsense. Or that China will reneg on the deal.

They always expect others to do what they would do.

46 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2014 12:28:56pm

re: #37 Mattand

Semi-off topic: Got a relative who’s embracing the worst vegan anti-science mindset possible on Facebook. Posted a graphic that has the phrase “Racism=Specieism=Sexism.”

I told her to walk up to someone whose ancestors came here as slaves; or a woman who’s being paid less at her job; and tell them their experiences are no different than farm animals.

Be vegan all you want; just try to maintain some kind of sanity while you do it.

Every species is specieist. And plants are species, too, so your Vegan relative is being Kingdomist.

47 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:29:03pm

re: #37 Mattand

Semi-off topic: Got a relative who’s embracing the worst vegan anti-science mindset possible on Facebook. Posted a graphic that has the phrase “Racism=Specieism=Sexism.”

I told her to walk up to someone whose ancestors came here as slaves; or a woman who’s being paid less at her job; and tell them their experiences are no different than farm animals.

Be vegan all you want; just try to maintain some kind of sanity while you do it.

A coworker here has recently turned vegetarian and has been bringing it up in conversation constantly.

Last week, he was trying to explain how you could “activate” nuts for additional protein.

I asked him if this involved cupping the balls.

He’s stopped talking about being a vegetarian for now.

48 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 12, 2014 12:29:29pm

re: #34 Vicious Piebola

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend.
Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.
(attributed to Mark Twain but not verified)

That I doubt. “Inside of a dog” doesn’t sound at all like something Twain would have written. The other common attribution is to Groucho Marx, but even that is questionable.

quoteinvestigator.com

49 Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2014 12:29:29pm

Your daily class in Doublethink.

A pre-election poll suggested that, second only to the economy, breaking gridlock is a major issue for voters. They didn’t vote for the GOP as much as they voted against Obama and gridlock. They want leaders to solve the era’s big issues - not use them to divide Americans and win elections.

They voted for the GOP and against gridlock. Next on What’s My Cognitive Dissonance? : People who protect their health by eating rat poison. But now, this breaking story from our newsroom: Man Claiming To Be Ron Fournier Emerges From Freezer After Six Years. Is Puzzled By World He Never Knew.

esquire.com

50 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 12:29:52pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

Every species is specieist. And plants are species, too, so your Vegan relative is being Kingdomist.

Not to mention Lifeist.

51 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 12:30:09pm

Lifeism=Kingdomism=Speciecism=Hitler

52 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:31:06pm
53 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 12:32:07pm

Are people supposed to like chaplains?

54 lawhawk  Nov 12, 2014 12:33:10pm

re: #42 jaunte

It’s amorality and anti-Obama derangement. Anything Obama does must be opposed, even if it’s the right thing to do and is critical to US long term safety (like stopping a deadly outbreak at its source so that no new cases can occur here).

So, after claiming Obama wasn’t doing enough - and wasn’t shutting our borders, they’re now complaining that we’ve sent more than we should.

Never mind that the WHO has already indicated that their target goals for getting new health care teams, burial details, and financial commitments is still well short of what’s needed to stop the epidemic.

55 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 12:33:27pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Are people supposed to like chaplains?

the little mustache always creeps me out

56 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 12:35:42pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Are people supposed to like chaplains?

According to Klingenschmitt, Obama is ruled by the “demonic spirits” of “death,” “murder,” “child-murder,” “sexual abuse,” “genocide,” “paganism,” “witchcraft,” “homosexual lust” and “anti-Christian oppression”… to name just a few.
rightwingwatch.org

Why don’t people like meee????

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 12:35:47pm

heh…

58 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2014 12:35:59pm

re: #55 dog philosopher

the little mustache always creeps me out

The Nazis ruined so many things - swastikas, goosestepping, toothbrush moustaches, Europe…

59 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 12, 2014 12:38:38pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Are people supposed to like chaplains?

It’s a shame “freakazoid nut sandwich” is already taken, because it would apply perfectly to Gordo.

60 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 12:39:19pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

That seems quite optimistic, not disappointing ;)

61 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2014 12:39:55pm

re: #52 Kragar

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It’s not the Chaplain part that people hate.

62 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:42:20pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Are people supposed to like chaplains?

The only time I went to see a Chaplain in the Corps was when I got stuck fixing his IT problems.

That guy was a fucking asshole. No one liked him.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 12:43:55pm
64 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 12, 2014 12:44:05pm

re:
#39

Right-Wing Activists Now Attack Obama For Doing Too Much To Fight Ebola %P% Right Wing Watch

hurr hurr he created Ebola Czar to take over Merica we don’t need any moar Czars we haz two many Czarists we didn’t ask for know Ebola Czar!!!!111

65 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 12:46:49pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Are people supposed to like chaplains?

Navy Appoints First Ever Atheist Lay Leader, Right Wing Freakout Ensues

66 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 12:47:24pm

And another genius is heard from(she’s the Communication Director for FreedomWorks.)

“By dictating that all these sites be treated the same, Net Neutrality makes small companies that don’t take up much bandwidth at all pay more so that big companies can pay less,” she said. “That’s not the kind of equality the Internet needs.”

67 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:53:32pm

re: #66 BeachDem

68 Internet Tough Guy  Nov 12, 2014 12:53:41pm

re: #66 BeachDem

This statement actually made me stupid.

69 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 12:57:22pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL. That stupid fucking site demands 18.60$ from me for posting these 2 paras:

Jean was inspired to attempt to create the position after he answered questions on an Army psychological evaluation honestly and as a result, found himself being referred to the base chaplain who berated him for his lack of a belief in God.
“He basically told me that if I don’t get right with God, then I’m worthless,” said Jean, an officer at Fort Meade. “That if I don’t believe in Jesus, why am I in uniform, because this is God’s army, and that I should resign my commission in order to stop disgracing the military.”

Um, no, fuck you. Fair use, shitheads!

Anyway, where was I…

Oh. That idiot troll Ed Dantes told us that doesn’t happen.

70 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 12:57:42pm

re: #68 Internet Tough Guy

This statement actually made me stupid.

Oh, it gets dumber:

“The same speed, the same prices, the same access, but all web content isn’t equal. Netflix is not the same as a high school blog, and YouTube certainly isn’t the same as Facebook. They serve very different purposes and they have very different needs.”

And who gives a damn what you folks at home want to access? Think of the businesses!

71 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 1:02:18pm

re: #28 RealityBasedEbola

Lead is good. It’s a mineral, just like Iron….

RBS

And Mercury too. I remember kids playing with it back in science/chemistry classes. Hey it was fun.

Today…call out the hazard team and shut down the school.

Ahh, the old days. Glad they aren’t coming back anytime soon, unless the GOP brings them back.

/

72 Internet Tough Guy  Nov 12, 2014 1:03:50pm

re: #70 Kragar

Stop. I can barely remember how to breathe now.

73 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:03:52pm

re: #71 ObserverArt

And Mercury too. I remember kids playing with it back in science/chemistry classes. Hey it was fun.

Today…call out the hazard team and shut down the school.

Ahh, the old days. Glad they aren’t coming back anytime soon, unless the GOP brings them back.

/

“Who wants to play a game of Jart tag?”

74 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 1:05:40pm

re: #68 Internet Tough Guy

This statement actually made me stupid.

I think it’s time for…

Youtube Video

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

75 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 1:06:26pm

re: #38 Mattand

I saw attributed to Groucho Marx.

Mark Twain, Groucho Marx…all the same anyway. Just a bunch of smart ass liberal types that are not needed in the modern world of The One Percent!

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76 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 12, 2014 1:07:17pm

Repost from my overnight Page when CNN broke the news.

Boom. The two biggest players on the planet cut an important deal. Kudos and congratulations

77 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:07:35pm

re: #9 lawhawk

The GOP freakout will continue until morale bank statements of old white rich guys improves captures 99% of all wealth. /

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Seriously though, the GOP is disconnected from reality when it comes to anything science-based, including climatology and the environment. They’ve been saying for years the US can’t and shouldn’t act unilaterally while China continues pumping out pollutants. Well, now there’s a bilateral deal and it’s a workable one for both the US, China, and the rest of the world.

The GOP response? Inevitable claims that the President overstepped his authority or such other nonsense. Or that China will reneg on the deal.

They are disconnected from reality when it’s economics, foreign policy, crime prevention, tax policy, etc. Completely failed ideology.

78 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 1:08:13pm

Stay Classy, Urban Outfitters

79 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:08:34pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Also, it’s more than the GOP, it’s conservative ideology.

80 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 1:09:43pm

If you missed the brilliant xkcd draw-along blogging the comet landing, all of them are uploaded here for your viewing pleasure.

81 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 1:10:04pm

re: #78 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Stay Classy, Urban Outfitters

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There must be warehouses full of those 20 year old things around.

82 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:11:13pm

Finished watching the first season of Peaky Blinders, where I learned that if you’re going to end up outnumbered 3 to 1 in a gang fight between WWI veterans, it pays to have one of these on hand.

83 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:13:48pm

I’ve got to say this agreement is brilliant as the pressure bypasses the cavemen in Congress.

84 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 1:17:31pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

I’ve got to say this agreement is brilliant as the pressure bypasses the cavemen in Congress.

Cavemen? Cavemen? Stone clubs at dawn. My seconds will call on you shortly.

85 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 1:30:45pm

re: #71 ObserverArt

And Mercury too. I remember kids playing with it back in science/chemistry classes. Hey it was fun.

Today…call out the hazard team and shut down the school.

Ahh, the old days. Glad they aren’t coming back anytime soon, unless the GOP brings them back.

/

I still have a small scar on one knuckle involving a practical joke, a hunk of sodium and a knife. FWIW… Sodium under the skin on a knife blade hurts like holy hell, and takes a long time to heal.

RBS

86 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 1:36:02pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Deck the hall with balls of holly…

87 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:36:31pm

CJ Werleman comes out against “New Atheism”

I had embraced “New Atheism.” In fact, I even described myself as an anti-theist. If you’re still unclear what “new atheism” is - it is everything espoused by the likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and anyone else associated with what is loosely called the “atheist movement.” The new atheists have moved atheism from being merely a non-positive assertion to an ideology that positively wants to eradicate religion or at least shrink it to the size it can drown in a bathtub, to borrow a conservatism-ism. To put it even more simply, Atheism = there are no gods. New Atheism = there are no gods and religion is the root of all evil and must be eradicated.

Today, I am no longer a new atheist or an anti-theist. I have returned to who I was from the date of my birth in 1973 to the day of the Bali bomb in 2005: an old fashioned, vanilla atheist.

The world is far more complex than slogans and bumper stickers. “Religion poisons everything,” “religion is a virus,” “religion is the reason they hate us,” and “religion is the root of all evil,” are nothing more than the slogans of a cultural, political, and historical illiterate.

88 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:38:29pm
Ultimately, I have come to accept life is hard. I have also come to accept religion is a force for good for those who have nothing else to cling onto. It provides hope for those who otherwise have reason to believe all hope is lost. So who am I to belittle that?

I will continue to fight vigorously for secularism, but I will no longer fight to eradicate or take away someone’s religious belief. To attempt so would be a fools errand, and one that history has proven leads to terrifying outcomes.

Thanks for reading.

CJ Werleman

89 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:41:10pm

Not everyone needs to be a bomb-thrower.

90 goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2014 1:41:43pm

re: #82 Kragar

Finished watching the first season of Peaky Blinders, where I learned that if you’re going to end up outnumbered 3 to 1 in a gang fight between WWI veterans, it pays to have one of these on hand.

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Lewis gun?

91 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:42:04pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Lewis gun?

Lewis gun.

92 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 1:42:12pm

re: #79 Amory Blaine

Also, it’s more than the GOP, it’s conservative ideology.

Are not they one in the same???

93 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:44:15pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

I hear ALOT of democrats pulling Reagan out and using conservative rhetoric. Christ, some won’t even admit to voting for a right leaning democratic POTUS.

94 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 1:45:56pm

re: #87 Kragar

There never was “new atheism”. Whoever was described as a new atheist didn’t say anything new.

95 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:46:58pm
96 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 1:50:21pm

Got a question for those that mess with video editing. Is there any decent free or inexpensive editing programs out there? I am shooting some video with my Nikon DSL and need to cut it down, maybe do some editing and add some titles, etc. I don’t do a lot, so I don’t know if I need to spend a lot. And, I am completely new to it all. If I see a need and get good at it I might spring some bucks down the road, right now I just have a simple need.

Thanks for any recommendations.

97 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 1:50:40pm

re: #95 Kragar

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OMFG!!!! It’s an actual real product….. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!

coloringbook.com

98 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:50:57pm

re: #95 Kragar

Haha. I have to have this. Although with Cruz face, the eyebrows should be going up. I also downloaded the Satanic church’s coloring book.

99 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 1:51:30pm

100 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 1:52:37pm

I see trying to goad one of my RW friends…. tell him that it would make a hell of a great tattoo.

RBS

101 allegro  Nov 12, 2014 1:53:01pm

re: #95 Kragar

that is actually freaking me out.

102 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 12, 2014 1:53:07pm

re:
#95

Always wondered what it would feel like when our political culture reached rock bottom. This seems about right.

103 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 1:53:13pm

And on the whole “Fortunate Son” nontroversy, Charles P. Pierce points out that If you let modern conservatives talk about rock and roll, or about popular culture in general, you’re just asking for trouble. and sums it up in two photos

It’s not about people like this.

It’s about people like this.

esquire.com

104 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 1:54:35pm

re: #102 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#95

Always wondered what it would feel like when our political culture reached rock bottom. This seems about right.

I hate to say it, I think we got at least one more express bus, and then maybe hop a local before we get anywhere near bottom.

RBS

105 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:55:00pm
106 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:58:51pm

Damn it!!! Here comes the afternoon Verizon network slowdown.

107 Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2014 1:58:58pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

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That’s some mighty fine propaganda they got there.

108 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:59:05pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

[Embedded content]

I was looking for a higher rez version

109 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 1:59:24pm
110 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 1:59:43pm

re: #108 Kragar

I resized it in paint. Behold my awesome skillz!!!

111 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 2:00:15pm

re: #93 Amory Blaine

I hear ALOT of democrats pulling Reagan out and using conservative rhetoric. Christ, some won’t even admit to voting for a right leaning democratic POTUS.

I see. I didn’t catch that distinction at first. I sometimes wonder if we don’t need some new terminology for modern politics. The old terms do not seem to work anymore…too bastardized and rendered almost meaningless.

112 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 12, 2014 2:00:41pm

re:
#95

Which animal represents the insurance companies?

113 KingKenrod  Nov 12, 2014 2:01:15pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Got a question for those that mess with video editing. Is there any decent free or inexpensive editing programs out there? I am shooting some video with my Nikon DSL and need to cut it down, maybe do some editing and add some titles, etc. I don’t do a lot, so I don’t know if I need to spend a lot. And, I am completely new to it all. If I see a need and get good at it I might spring some bucks down the road, right now I just have a simple need.

Thanks for any recommendations.

I use avidemux (on Windows) for all kinds of simple editing. What kind of video does your Nikon produce?

114 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 2:01:18pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

That’s some mighty fine propaganda they got there.

“It does not constitute an endorsement of Ted Cruz. The coloring book is based on a fair and objective review on this positive role model and real life superhero.”

SO SHUT UP!

115 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 2:02:43pm

re: #111 ObserverArt

That’s why I try to call it conservative/liberal rather than democratic/republican. Like, the south used to be democratic, but first they were conservatives. Parties are just tools.

116 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 2:02:45pm

re: #95 Kragar

Someone broke Ted’s neck.
Or maybe he’s possessed.

117 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 2:03:18pm

re: #109 Kragar

Man’s Life

teh Mans seem to have a little trouble getting laid to judge by the cover

118 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 2:03:28pm

re: #112 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#95

Which animal represents the insurance companies?

Ted Cruz of course.

119 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 2:03:37pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

That’s some mighty fine propaganda they got there.

And some equally fine artwork.

120 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 2:04:56pm

re: #116 jaunte

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Someone broke Ted’s neck.
Or maybe he’s possessed.

“TELL THE CHILDREN”

“They won’t realize how full of shit we are till its too late!”

121 Teukka  Nov 12, 2014 2:05:15pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

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re: #95 Kragar

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re: #116 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Someone broke Ted’s neck.
Or maybe he’s possessed.

Those coloring book pages are for real?

122 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 2:06:31pm

Illustration without resorting to any living anatomical reference.

123 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 2:07:01pm

re: #121 Teukka

Those coloring book pages are for real?

124 allegro  Nov 12, 2014 2:07:01pm

I keep marveling at how much of a narcissist he must be to have a heroic coloring book made with him as the star savior. Who the fuck does that?! LOL

125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:07:03pm

re: #121 Teukka

Those coloring book pages are for real?

Yes. I know it’s hard to believe.

126 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 2:07:54pm

I’m sorry for the person who has to make a living drawing for Really Big Coloring Books.

127 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 2:07:54pm

re: #113 KingKenrod

I use avidemux (on Windows) for all kinds of simple editing. What kind of video does your Nikon produce?

Quicktime .mov files. At least that is what downloaded from my camera on my first attempt. Like I said I am a complete newbie to video.

128 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 2:08:40pm

re: #123 Kragar

There Is Now A Coloring Book For Children Called ‘Ted Cruz Saves America’

It’s what he wants to save it from that disturbs me.

129 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 2:09:04pm

Snakes On A Ted

130 Bubblehead II  Nov 12, 2014 2:10:27pm

re: #112 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#95

Which animal represents the insurance companies?

*ranton*

Yo! Bulworth! A small nit to pick with you. You have something against the reply button? Having to scroll back up the thread to the comment you are replying to is a pain.

*rantoff*

131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:10:44pm

Well, there you go.

US crude futures settle at $77.18, lowest since October 2011

Right now: 76.98 USD

132 KingKenrod  Nov 12, 2014 2:11:04pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

Quicktime .mov files. At least that is what downloaded from my camera on my first attempt. Like I said I am a complete newbie to video.

Well avidemux is free but can be cryptic and I don’t think it has any simple way to do titles. Also I’m not sure about mov support since I don’t use that. There’s probably something much simpler out there, but I don’t have any other suggestions.

134 Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2014 2:12:55pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well, there you go.

US crude futures settle at $77.18, lowest since October 2011

Right now: 76.98 USD

Somewhere, Vladimir Putin weeps quietly.

135 Teukka  Nov 12, 2014 2:12:57pm

re: #125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Yes. I know it’s hard to believe.

re: #123 Kragar

[Embedded content]

You don’t believe how hard.,,

Let me put it this way…

Check out the libraries at places like the Simon Wiesenthal center, your local synagogues (some have nice collections) and ADL and similar places…

In particular, check out material for kids from the 1925-1945 era.

I wonder what’s next.

136 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 2:13:36pm

re: #132 KingKenrod

Well avidemux is free but can be cryptic and I don’t think it has any simple way to do titles. Also I’m not sure about mov support since I don’t use that. There’s probably something much simpler out there, but I don’t have any other suggestions.

How many types of video formats are there? Got any links to help a brother out? I need to do some learning!

137 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 2:14:29pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well, there you go.

US crude futures settle at $77.18, lowest since October 2011

Right now: 76.98 USD

The proponents of the Keystone XL pipeline aren’t worried by decreasing crude prices. When the pipeline turns out to be a money loser they’ll simply get the Republican Congress to vote them a nice subsidy.

138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:14:33pm
The Russian budget loses about 80 billion rubles ($2 billion) for every dollar the oil price falls, according to Maxim Oreshkin, head of strategic planning at the Finance Ministry.
139 Bubblehead II  Nov 12, 2014 2:14:42pm

re: #133 Varek Raith

AT&T to halt investment in fiber optic lines because of net neutrality
Temper tantrum.

Yep. Can’t let anything get in the way of our bottom line.

140 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 2:15:09pm

re: #47 Kragar

A coworker here has recently turned vegetarian and has been bringing it up in conversation constantly.

Last week, he was trying to explain how you could “activate” nuts for additional protein.

I asked him if this involved cupping the balls.

He’s stopped talking about being a vegetarian for now.

It was a joke that wrote itself…

141 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 2:16:40pm

re: #140 TedStriker

It was a joke that wrote itself…

How could I not have said it? I mean, honestly, what choice did I have?

142 Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2014 2:16:46pm

re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Yep…..that’s what happens when the state budget is predicated on oil in the $100/barrel range.

The lower it goes, the more it’s gonna blow a hole in their budget.

143 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2014 2:18:02pm

re: #133 Varek Raith

AT&T to halt investment in fiber optic lines because of net neutrality
Temper tantrum.

I find this highly amusing, if only for the fact AT&T has a pending merger with DirecTV and so they probably picked a bad time to piss the government off.

144 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:18:20pm

re: #142 Dr Lizardo

Putin showed his bravado quite prematurely when he said his state could cope even with 80$/barrel.

145 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 12, 2014 2:18:47pm

re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well I guess that saves them a few rubles when they fly all those fighter bombers to the coasts of the US, NATO nations and the Gulf Of Mexico. Diesel to Ukraine etc.
//

146 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 2:19:30pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well, there you go.

US crude futures settle at $77.18, lowest since October 2011

Right now: 76.98 USD

This will be greeted by the American public as a license to buy more Hum-vees.

147 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 2:20:25pm

re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Only thing is, Putin is going to have to come up with one doozy of a distraction to keep his people’s minds off of their shitty economy.

148 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:21:26pm

And judging by today’s events, Putin’s response to the crisis is more saber-rattling.

149 Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2014 2:21:31pm

re: #144 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Putin showed his bravado quite prematurely when he said his state could cope even with 80$/barrel.

I wonder at what level it would need to go down to before significant cuts in the Russian budget would trigger unrest?

150 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 12, 2014 2:23:02pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Got a question for those that mess with video editing. Is there any decent free or inexpensive editing programs out there? I am shooting some video with my Nikon DSL and need to cut it down, maybe do some editing and add some titles, etc. I don’t do a lot, so I don’t know if I need to spend a lot. And, I am completely new to it all. If I see a need and get good at it I might spring some bucks down the road, right now I just have a simple need.

Thanks for any recommendations.

LWC has a couple he was using before I got him Adobe Premiere. If those don’t work out If you have a simple need we could probably just cut it for ya no biggie. Dropbox the files etc.

151 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:23:04pm

re: #149 Dr Lizardo

I wonder at what level it would need to go down to before significant cuts in the Russian budget would trigger unrest?

I wonder to what level his madness would need to rise before he gets the tobacco box treatment.

152 jaunte  Nov 12, 2014 2:24:18pm

re: #145 Indy GOP Refugee

Well I guess that saves them a few rubles when they fly all those fighter bombers to the coasts of the US, NATO nations and the Gulf Of Mexico. Diesel to Ukraine etc.
//

Earlier this year, [Russian Defense Minister Sergei] Shoigu said that Russia plans to expand its worldwide military presence by seeking permission for navy ships to use ports in Latin America, Asia and elsewhere for replenishing supplies and doing maintenance. He said the military was conducting talks with Algeria, Cyprus, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba, Seychelles, Vietnam and Singapore.
chron.com

153 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 2:24:19pm

re: #146 Amory Blaine

This will be greeted by the American public as a license to buy more Hum-vees.

The gas-guzzling Hummer makes a comeback as fuel prices plunge

154 bratwurst  Nov 12, 2014 2:24:28pm
155 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 2:25:16pm

re: #153 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Like clockwork.

156 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:25:58pm

re: #152 jaunte

Reminds one of that little event called “the USSR collapse”. Falling oil prices, outrageous military budget… what could go wrong?

157 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 12, 2014 2:26:39pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Got a question for those that mess with video editing. Is there any decent free or inexpensive editing programs out there? I am shooting some video with my Nikon DSL and need to cut it down, maybe do some editing and add some titles, etc. I don’t do a lot, so I don’t know if I need to spend a lot. And, I am completely new to it all. If I see a need and get good at it I might spring some bucks down the road, right now I just have a simple need.

Thanks for any recommendations.

Just spoke to LWC-
Try Davinci Resolve

158 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2014 2:27:32pm

re: #156 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Reminds one of that little event called “the USSR collapse”. Falling oil prices, outrageous military budget… what could go wrong?

In Soviet Russia, Military destroys you!

159 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 2:28:05pm

re: #150 Indy GOP Refugee

LWC has a couple he was using before I got him Adobe Premiere. If those don’t work out If you have a simple need we could probably just cut it for ya no biggie. Dropbox the files etc.

Can you let me know what those were? And thanks for offering your help, but I really do need to learn. Plus, I need to shoot more to work with. I’m just in the first stages of learning. I thought the Lizards would be a good place to ask as there are a lot of sharp computer people all involved in the arts of all kinds.

160 goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2014 2:28:37pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Got a question for those that mess with video editing. Is there any decent free or inexpensive editing programs out there? I am shooting some video with my Nikon DSL and need to cut it down, maybe do some editing and add some titles, etc. I don’t do a lot, so I don’t know if I need to spend a lot. And, I am completely new to it all. If I see a need and get good at it I might spring some bucks down the road, right now I just have a simple need.

Thanks for any recommendations.

Apple’s iMovie is a good free editing suite, but it’s Mac only.

161 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 2:28:52pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

Can you let me know what those were? And thanks for offering your help, but I really do need to learn. Plus, I need to shoot more to work with. I’m just in the first stages of learning. I thought the Lizards would be a good place to ask as there are a lot of sharp computer people all involved in the arts of all kinds.

Just saw your #157. Thanks!

162 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:29:20pm

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

In Soviet Russia the oil prices watch you fall.

163 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 2:32:13pm

crude futures

seems likely

164 KingKenrod  Nov 12, 2014 2:34:02pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

How many types of video formats are there? Got any links to help a brother out? I need to do some learning!

There are tons of formats. Without getting into word soup, the average video file is usually 1 compressed video stream and 1 compressed audio stream stuck in a container file. mov is a container, for instance, not a type of video. It probably has quicktime video in it, but it could have something else.

I don’t have much in the way of info sources to point you to - I just picked up stuff over the years. There’s a little free program called “mediainfo” that you can install (I only know about Windows) and it will tell you what container and types of video/audio are in your files. Once you know that you can find an editor.

165 freetoken  Nov 12, 2014 2:35:43pm

For all our want for good news, on the topic of climate change (and not only on the topic of climate change) our society’s means of information exchange, what we’ll loosely term “the media”, has failed, and continues to fail.

I am very cynical about this topic (about as cynical as I am whether the Southern Baptist convention will come out and say “Darwin was right.”)

Take for example this WaPo piece, which on the face of it might seem important:
Keystone XL is now a rallying point to save Mary Landrieu’s career

The whole thing is sort of the triple-backwards-summersault of fail.

I don’t have time to rant at length about it, but think about not only the topic but how the author frames his discussion in the first paragraph:

The reason you have heard of the Keystone XL pipeline is because of the environmental movement. Several years ago, 350.org and other groups seized upon the project, which would shunt a form of oil from Alberta to the Gulf Coast, as a symbol of the sort of thing the country should avoid if it wants to curb climate change.

166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 2:36:39pm

re: #147 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Only thing is, Putin is going to have to come up with one doozy of a distraction to keep his people’s minds off of their shitty economy.

That thought is scarier than a Ted Cruz comic book…

167 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:39:07pm

Meanwhile the product prices rise much quicker than the dollar/ruble exchange rate:

ura.ru

168 Dr. Matt  Nov 12, 2014 2:39:36pm

Recall, the story about the old man that murdered the guy for texting in a Tampa area movie theater….well, an interesting development in that story: Report: No evidence theater shooting victim texting about daughter

WESLEY CHAPEL — Chad Oulson, who was shot and killed at a movie theater in January, may not have been texting to check on his sick daughter.

Pasco sheriff’s investigators could not find any evidence on Oulson’s phone that he was communicating with anyone about his daughter before retired Tampa police Capt. Curtis Reeves Jr. shot and killed him at the Cobb Grove 16 Theater, according to a report filed by the sheriff’s Cyber Crimes unit.

Reeves, 72, is charged with second-degree murder and aggravated battery. He has been out on bail since July 11. The trial is scheduled for March.

He confronted Oulson, 43, over his texting during the previews to the film, “Lone Survivor.” Oulson and his wife, Nicole, were seated directly in front of Reeves and his wife. Several witnesses said they heard Oulson say he was texting his 3-year-old daughter, and investigators assumed he meant his child’s babysitter.

169 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 2:41:38pm

Awww, poor Scalia and Thomas didn’t get their way.

170 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:43:31pm

re: #169 klystron

Who decides which justice to turn to? Do the justices get to decide in turn?

171 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 2:44:25pm

re: #164 KingKenrod

There are tons of formats. Without getting into word soup, the average video file is usually 1 compressed video stream and 1 compressed audio stream stuck in a container file. mov is a container, for instance, not a type of video. It probably has quicktime video in it, but it could have something else.

I don’t have much in the way of info sources to point you to - I just picked up stuff over the years. There’s a little free program called “mediainfo” that you can install (I only know about Windows) and it will tell you what container and types of video/audio are in your files. Once you know that you can find an editor.

Thanks. I am a Windows user too. Looks like a pretty good learning curve ahead.

172 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 2:44:52pm

re: #170 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Who decides which justice to turn to? Do the justices get to decide in turn?

Each justice has purview over certain regions (based on the appeals courts). Kansas is in Sotomayor’s domain, essentially, when it comes to handling things like emergency requests for stays.

173 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 2:45:27pm

More on the guy who is treating Glenn Beck’s latest ailment.

Beck… has now been diagnosed as “adrenal fatigue” by maverick “chiropractic neurologist” Dr. Ted Carrick.

(Not sure what “Dr. Ted’s” doctorate is in—some have said it’s in education.)

“Chiropractic neurology” is a controversial branch of medicine that Yale University neurologist Dr. Steven Novella dismissed outright as “pure pseudoscience” in a column from November of 2011.

“Chiropractic neurology does not appear to be based on any body of research, or any accumulated scientific knowledge,” Novella wrote. “I am not aware of any research that establishes their core claims. A search on PubMed for ‘Carrick T’ yielded nothing, and searching on ‘chiropractic neurology’ yielded mostly studies about neurological complications from chiropractic treatment.”

rawstory.com

sciencebasedmedicine.org

174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:46:42pm

re: #172 klystron

Thanks. Another question: why does the official doc contains info about the irrelevant opinions of two other justices?

175 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 2:46:53pm

re: #170 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

They fight it out in Half-Life 2 Deathmatch with crowbars. Saw it on twitch.tv for the ACA decision.

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176 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 2:47:37pm

re: #174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Thanks. Another question: why does the official doc contains info about the irrelevant opinions of two other justices?

My snarky response is because they whined a lot, but it probably has to do with they are allowed to enter their opinions on the record if they feel very strongly about it.

177 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 2:49:34pm
178 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 2:50:00pm

re: #176 klystron

Good, they look like sore losers.

179 KingKenrod  Nov 12, 2014 2:51:28pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

Thanks. I am a Windows user too. Looks like a pretty good learning curve ahead.

You can always start out with Movie Maker. If it’s not already installed, it’s usually a free download from Microsoft.

180 Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2014 2:53:42pm

re: #169 klystron

[Embedded content]

Awww, poor Scalia and Thomas didn’t get their way.

They should just print it Justice Scalia-Thomas to save space, since they always swing the same way.

181 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 12, 2014 2:57:43pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

You might see if the camera has output settings. More of them make multiple formats available as a setting before you shoot. MP4 vs MOV for instance. GpPro has this feature IIRC. My Canon does for sure.

This in addition to frame rates, resolution, aspect ratio etc.

182 goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2014 2:57:58pm
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2014
ORDER IN PENDING CASE
14A503 MOSER, ROBERT, ET AL. V. MARIE, KAIL, ET AL.
The application for stay presented to Justice Sotomayor and
by her referred to the Court is denied. The order heretofore
entered by Justice Sotomayor is vacated.
Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas would grant the
application for stay.

This looks pretty bad for opponents of SSM. If Alito, Roberts or Kennedy had any mind to affirm the Sixth Circuit ruling they probably would have also supported a continued stay in Kansas as well. Instead Scalia and Thomas are out there alone as the only Justices willing to go on record as opposed to ending the stay. I have a very hard time thinking that Roberts and Kennedy especially would have allowed so many marriages to go forward in States that enacted specific bans against SSM, and to ignore every Circuit Appeals ruling against those bans, only to much later rule in favor of the Sixth Circuit’s fucked up reasoning that such bans are okay.

Roberts, while pretty steadily conservative, is especially invested in the reputation of his Court for consistency and reliability. Probably the last thing he wants as his legacy is the idea that he needlessly played games with people’s lives. He almost certainly will not yank the rug out from under families who were granted legal marriages by the deliberate and explicit inaction of his Court. And he cannot uphold the Sixth Circuit ruling without creating two classes of same sex couples, those who married before the Supreme Court chose to get involved, and those who didn’t.

183 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 2:59:49pm

re: #179 KingKenrod

You can always start out with Movie Maker. If it’s not already installed, it’s usually a free download from Microsoft.

Thanks again! I will look for that. I think starting simple is a good thing.

184 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 3:00:49pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well, there you go.

US crude futures settle at $77.18, lowest since October 2011

Right now: 76.98 USD

Opinion: Oil prices, not Obama’s veto, may block Keystone

A report out this week from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries cut that group’s forecast for global demand and prices over the next five years, pushing U.S. oil prices CLZ4, -1.33% down closer to $75 a barrel and international benchmark Brent Crude LCOZ4, -2.13% to near $80, a drop of more than $30 from its 52-week high.

Earlier this week, Saudi Arabia, the biggest OPEC producer, cuts its oil prices to U.S. customers, signaling it was ready to let prices decline in order to preserve market share.

But the Canadian Energy Research Institute estimates that oil-sands projects need a price of $85 a barrel to be profitable in the current cheapest (in situ) method and new standalone mines will require $105 a barrel to make a reasonable return.

Something that has been known for a while. How are they going to get the prices up? Especially if we keep pushing for cleaner energy. There is a lot of money to be lost for some corporations people. Wonder what lies lengths they would go to to protect their billions in profit.

185 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 3:01:01pm

re: #179 KingKenrod

You can always start out with Movie Maker. If it’s not already installed, it’s usually a free download from Microsoft.

Unfortunately, Movie Maker doesn’t handle .mov files. Hopefully Observer Art can get his camera to record in a different format.

186 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 3:01:02pm

Thanks everyone for the video editing info. I can feel my head swimming right now. Looks like I have a lot to digest.

187 EmmaAnne  Nov 12, 2014 3:04:41pm
188 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 3:06:32pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

Good thoughts, Frank.

I also don’t think Roberts wants anything remotely related to the idiotic ruling that the 6th Circuit wrote to be the hill he dies on.

189 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 3:06:52pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

Would be cool if Roberts wrote a “pro” concurring opinion based on libertarian principles. Quote Ayn Rand, for a good measure. ;)

190 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 3:08:40pm

Florida man, always up to something.

191 Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2014 3:08:40pm

re: #188 BeachDem

Good thoughts, Frank.

I also don’t think Roberts wants anything remotely related to the idiotic ruling that the 6th Circuit wrote to be the hill he dies on.

Yeah, I don’t think he wants to put his name to upholding a court decision saying that heterosexual marriage is based upon procreation.

192 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 3:09:38pm

re: #153 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The gas-guzzling Hummer makes a comeback as fuel prices plunge

Get big vehicles
Increase demand for fuel
Market hand raises price of fuel because of demand
Bitch at Obama for the rising fuel costs.
Brilliant!

193 goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2014 3:09:52pm

re: #174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Thanks. Another question: why does the official doc contains info about the irrelevant opinions of two other justices?

Because Sotomayor referred the issue of continuing the stay to the entire Court. If a minimum (I think 4) Justices had supported taking the case and/or continuing the stay it would have remained in effect until the Supreme Court heard either that case or a related one and issued their own ruling on the matter.

IOW it’s a very, very bad sign for the social conservatives that they only got two Justices willing to prevent marriage from proceeding in the interim. Because the Court is especially wary of creating harm through its own inaction, which is what happens now if they undo marriages they tacitly agreed to allow. And if they just try to close the door next year, by disallowing future marriages without dissolving those marriages already performed they will in effect create a 14th Amendment equal protection violation.

Roberts and Kennedy have effectively broadcast how they are going to rule. Alito is just dumb enough to still rule against SSM, but his vote is irrelevant at this point.

194 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 3:10:25pm

re: #181 Indy GOP Refugee

You might see if the camera has output settings. More of them make multiple formats available as a setting before you shoot. MP4 vs MOV for instance. GpPro has this feature IIRC. My Canon does for sure.

The manual says it only outputs MOV, but it is compressed in H.264/MPEG-4 Advanced Video Coding. Hopefully like all formats, once in a program it can be saved in other formats. Like I said…lots of learning to do. A whole lot!

195 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 12, 2014 3:11:28pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Florida man, always up to something.

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Why did he think he could get away with this? Probably the same delusion that leads him to buy Super-Max XXL condoms…….

196 KingKenrod  Nov 12, 2014 3:14:05pm

re: #185 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Unfortunately, Movie Maker doesn’t handle .mov files. Hopefully Observer Art can get his camera to record in a different format.

It can probably read mov files, but not save them.

197 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 3:15:07pm

Currently 23° where I’m at about 120 miles west of Denver, where it is 3°.

198 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 3:16:45pm

Later on…got a lot of reading and research to do.

199 Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2014 3:17:46pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Florida man, always up to something.

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BWHAAHAHAHAHAH!

200 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 3:19:13pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Florida man, always up to something.

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Is that a chainsaw in your pants, or are you just buzzed to see me?

201 EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2014 3:19:33pm

re: #85 RealityBasedEbola

I still have a small scar on one knuckle involving a practical joke, a hunk of sodium and a knife. FWIW… Sodium under the skin on a knife blade hurts like holy hell, and takes a long time to heal.

RBS

No surprise there. Sodium in the body gives nasty chemical reactions with lye as a main product.

202 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 3:19:52pm

re: #200 Eventual Carrion

Is that a chainsaw in your pants, or are you just buzzed to see me?

*smack*

203 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 3:21:01pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Looks like a Farm Boss. Nice chainsaw.

204 Bubblehead II  Nov 12, 2014 3:24:26pm

Night Lizards. 0300 comes early.

205 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 3:27:09pm

re: #204 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. 0300 comes early.

My skiing job starts soon, I’ll be rousting at 0500 on the regular. Rather look forward to it, actually.

‘Nite Bubblehead II, stay warm!

206 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 3:28:08pm

re: #203 Amory Blaine

Looks like a Farm Boss. Nice chainsaw.

I got a big blue Stihl…

207 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 3:34:03pm

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

Because Sotomayor referred the issue of continuing the stay to the entire Court. If a minimum (I think 4) Justices had supported taking the case and/or continuing the stay it would have remained in effect until the Supreme Court heard either that case or a related one and issued their own ruling on the matter.

IOW it’s a very, very bad sign for the social conservatives that they only got two Justices willing to prevent marriage from proceeding in the interim. Because the Court is especially wary of creating harm through its own inaction, which is what happens now if they undo marriages they tacitly agreed to allow. And if they just try to close the door next year, by disallowing future marriages without dissolving those marriages already performed they will in effect create a 14th Amendment equal protection violation.

Roberts and Kennedy have effectively broadcast how they are going to rule. Alito is just dumb enough to still rule against SSM, but his vote is irrelevant at this point.

Let’s not forget that the South Carolina ban got overturned today as well.

COLUMBIA Federal Judge Richard Gergel of Charleston overturned state law and ruled Wednesday that couples of the same sex have a right under the U.S. Constitution to marry in South Carolina.

Gergel’s decision is the first ruling in a South Carolina federal court that clearly states that state government has no compelling interest - nor does it have a right - to dictate to citizens who they can and cannot marry.

Read more here: charlotteobserver.com

208 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 3:34:31pm

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I got a big blue Stihl…

Maybe you should keep it out of the cold.

209 goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2014 3:36:05pm

It’s also worth mentioning that the State bans against SSM are on a much weaker legal footing than the federal DOMA law was, because the 14th Amendment doesn’t actually apply to the federal government at all. One of the reasons that Windsor v. US was a 5-4 decision was that it rested on 5th Amendment grounds, wherein “equal protection” was inferred into the due process clause via Bolling v. Sharpe.

Conservatives of course don’t really like this, because the 5th Amendment doesn’t actually explicitly say a damned thing about equal protection of the laws. Retconning this kind of meaning, no matter how much sense it makes in the modern world, is the kind of “judicial activism” they hate.

However the Equal Protection Clause in 14AS1 is totally explicit, it’s right there unambiguously in the text itself. It clearly mentions “any person,” and very specifically applies to the individual States. The fact that the Court went about the whole thing rather backwards, making the objectively greater stretch of okaying federal ssm rights before making the legally much easier case of applying them to the States is kind of a weird quirk, and will end up being an historical footnote.

210 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 3:36:33pm

re: #208 Eventual Carrion

Maybe you should keep it out of the cold.

If you yank the cord more than three times, you’re playing with it…

212 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 3:37:02pm

It’s a conspiracy of those bandits in black robes!!!1

213 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 3:37:43pm

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I got a big blue Stihl…

Oh wait, that’s Blue Steel

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214 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 3:39:09pm

re: #211 Varek Raith

Two window washers rescued from scaffold dangling at World Trade Center
Nope.:/

lawhawk has lots of pictures of that downstairs.

215 Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2014 3:40:07pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

lawhawk has lots of pictures of that downstairs.

NOPE.
;)

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 3:41:03pm

re: #215 Varek Raith

NOPE.
;)

:D

217 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 3:41:48pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

In the ruling against South Carolina (which has a temporary stay until November 20), the judge, Gergel also appeared to scold Wilson and Haley, saying that the 4th Circuit ruling was the “controlling authority” and that that is a well-known legal principle. Gergel also wrote that Wilson, specifically, misunderstood or misapplied numerous matters of apparently settled law in seeking to deny a Charleston couple the right to be issued a marriage license.

and
In his decision, Gergel specifically overturned an anti-same sex marriage amendment to the S.C. Constitution passed by a huge majority of South Carolinians in 2006. That amendment passed by a 78-22 percent majority in a referendum.

(We grow ‘em smart here in SC.)

Of course, Wilson is citing the 6th Circuit’s idiotic ruling in his appeal.

charlotteobserver.com

218 goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2014 3:41:56pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Of course Bolling v. Sharpe came before Brown v. Board of Ed. So there’s some precedent for the Court coming to the legally more difficult conclusion and applying civil rights protections federally before tackling the legally much simpler task of applying them to the States.

219 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 12, 2014 3:42:37pm

re: #215 Varek Raith

NOPE.
;)

Why?

220 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 3:44:45pm

re: #219 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Why?

Probably deathly acrophobic.

221 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 3:45:22pm
222 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 3:54:19pm

Meet the newest Republican elected to the Anne Arundel County Council in Maryland.

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 3:57:05pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

Meet the newest Republican elected to the Anne Arundel County Council in Maryland.

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‘Murca!!!

224 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 3:59:39pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

Meet the newest Republican elected to the Anne Arundel County Council in Maryland.

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I have been to Anne Arundel County.

This does not surprise me at all.

225 Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2014 4:00:39pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

Probably deathly acrophobic.

Indeed.

226 Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2014 4:01:19pm

re: #219 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Why?

Just looking at a pic like that causes vertigo.

227 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 4:09:32pm

And so it begins. I guess we know what “frame” the Republicans and the beltway media will be touting for the next two years. DEMOCRATIC OBSTRUCTION. Like Humpty Dumpty, when they use a word it means just what they choose it to mean, neither more nor less. (And that the story is that the Dems acquiesced to help Mary Landrieu is just pathetic.)

McConnell attributed the Democrats’ change of heart to the election.

“The American people have elected a new Republican Majority in the Senate and that has already made a difference,” he said. “I was glad to see that Senate Democrats have finally backed off trying to obstruct construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline, the single largest shovel-ready project in America.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

I repeat—we are screwed.

228 Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2014 4:13:01pm

re: #227 BeachDem

I always hear what the Repugs have to say, every single day. Is there not even a single Dem who will call out their bullshit?

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 4:20:42pm

re: #227 BeachDem

Canadian pipelines projects, including Keystone, facing more U.S. lawsuits

Read more: ctvnews.ca

230 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 4:28:24pm

re: #228 Skip Intro

I always hear what the Repugs have to say, every single day. Is there not even a single Dem who will call out their bullshit?

There are a few (Sherrod Brown, Elizabeth Warren etc.) but the press hangs on the words of cretins like Joe Manchin for their headline stories. (Every fucking place I looked yesterday had Manchin’s I Won’t Put Up With ‘Bulls**t’ If Dems Try To Obstruct GOP quote, as if it were some big revelation that a conservadem would say something so “newsworthy.”

I don’t know what the answer is, but I think the Dems need to listen to George Lakoff—Don’t Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate—The Essential Guide for Progressives. (He has a new edition out—I haven’t seen it yet, but I keep the earlier one on my tablet for easy reference!)

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 4:32:56pm
232 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 4:34:46pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

Canadian pipelines projects, including Keystone, facing more U.S. lawsuits

Read more: ctvnews.ca

Thanks for the article. Sadly, it doesn’t sound very promising. They seem to think Obama will veto the bill, but I don’t think he will—not with all of the Dems who are joining in to promote it, and all the bogus incorrect bullshit about all the jobs it will supposedly create.

I think falling oil prices are going to be the biggest impediment—if it’s not profitable, they’ll run from it like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 4:36:04pm

re: #232 BeachDem

234 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 4:41:16pm

Well, my wife’s PC shit the bed. Its either replace a battery for $10, play the “keep swapping parts till it works” game or buy her a new one.

235 Kid A  Nov 12, 2014 4:45:13pm

re: #97 RealityBasedEbola

OMFG!!!! It’s an actual real product….. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!

coloringbook.com

Did you read the comments, lol?

236 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 4:45:53pm

in regard to shibboleths, it seems that i can not frame to pronounce them right

237 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 4:49:47pm

How much cheaper does oil have to get before they mothball the tar sands? Didn’t the magic number on that to make it work used to be $75-$80?

238 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 4:50:29pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you this is a fun read.

239 Jenner7  Nov 12, 2014 4:51:09pm

So, I just heard the Senate is going to vote on the Keystone Pipeline. What. The. Fuck?

So tired of Democrats wussing out, AGAIN.

240 Kid A  Nov 12, 2014 4:51:17pm

re: #173 BeachDem

“He had long bouts of insomnia, mental “fogginess” and a spate of emotional outbursts that he said “quite honestly has made me look crazy.”

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 4:52:51pm

re: #238 Amory Blaine

Thank you this is a fun read.

There’s soooo much more fun comments at his actual FB post:
facebook.com

242 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 4:55:51pm

re: #234 Kragar

I built my wife a new one recently and I have to say I’m salivating over it (I’ve thought about switching it out with mine) but I couldn’t do that to my sweetie. Though she wouldn’t be able to tell the difference (except for the copious amounts of heat that would come out of her case).

243 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 4:56:27pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right there with ya..

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 4:58:08pm

re: #243 Amory Blaine

Right there with ya..

Ted Cruz is just the gift that keeps on giving.
Unbelievable that there is no social media staff dealing with that epic fallout.

245 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:00:52pm

Meanwhile, in Kansas City…oops!

246 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 5:02:22pm

re: #239 Jenner7

So, I just heard the Senate is going to vote on the Keystone Pipeline. What. The. Fuck?

So tired of Democrats wussing out, AGAIN.

Seems like they were falling all over themselves to nobly sacrifice their principles and our health with this cockamamie attempt to save Mary Landrieu’s doomed bid for re-election. It’s almost as if someone waved a ton of money in their faces to change their minds so they found an excuse to do so. And then they wonder why Democratic voters don’t turn out for them.

Here’s Our Mary speaking on the Senate floor about the pipeline:
“I want to say yes to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell,” Landrieu said. “The time to start is now. The public has clearly spoken.”

Fuck her. Fuck the Dems who vote for Keystone XL.

247 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 5:04:04pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile, in Kansas City…oops!

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Holy Crap that happened here in Milwaukee last night.

Truck driver fined for crashing semi through Lake Park, footbridges

A lost Indiana semitrailer truck driver who drove his rig onto a pedestrian bridge at Milwaukee’s historic Lake Park has been fined $579.80 for reckless driving and failure to obey signs, the Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Office said Wednesday.

Authorities are not yet naming the 50-year-old driver, saying they first want to determine if medical issues were a factor. He is from Whiteland, Ind., and drives for the Kentucky-based Paschall Truck Lines.

According to the sheriff’s office, the man drove his truck, with its 53-foot trailer, onto the walkway about 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, damaging several trees, two pedestrian bridges and the adjacent concrete railings. The truck came to a stop on the peninsula behind the Lake Park lighthouse.

The driver told authorities that he had been following directions from his GPS. He was taken to a hospital for a medical evaluation.

248 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 5:05:22pm

re: #247 Amory Blaine

249 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 5:08:34pm

Lake Park Bistro is where we held our “wedding lunch”. Then straight to moms for a drunken free for all. Our wedding was under $1,000.00

250 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 5:09:44pm

re: #248 Amory Blaine

E-gads…

251 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 5:11:07pm

So the Keystone deal is going to be dumped on President Obama’s desk again after he has done a really good job of pocket stalling it for the last couple of years? He really has no allies on Congress does he? Where are the Dems fighting this? Why the hell would Reid allow a vote?

252 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 5:12:28pm

Look at what is written on the truck.

253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:12:59pm

re: #252 Amory Blaine

oh, my…

254 Belafon  Nov 12, 2014 5:13:22pm

re: #251 bill d

Because Landrieu, the one remaining Southern white Democrat, who is in a runoff, has asked for the vote, and the DNC is not sending any money her way

255 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 5:16:02pm

Well, on the bright side, the people of her state will have something to watch as the company will most likely build it with their own (foreign) employees.

256 Interesting Times  Nov 12, 2014 5:20:16pm

re: #254 Belafon

Because Landrieu, the one remaining Southern white Democrat, who is in a runoff

…which she’s got next to no chance of winning under any circumstance. So what on earth is this vote supposed to accomplish, other than kowtowing to the kochs? (at least GOPers are loud and obnoxious and blatant about serving their true masters. Turncoat dems do it through acquiescence and backstabbing the president, which somehow seems more repellant in comparison)

257 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 5:21:48pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile, in Kansas City…oops!

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That is why I refuse to use GPS. I used to see this regularly when driving big trucks. Heck, GPS directions to the hotel I work at will take you to the opposite side of town.

A map, when necessary a compass, and a working brain will get you where you’re going faster and safer.

258 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 5:22:10pm

re: #254 Belafon

Because Landrieu, the one remaining Southern white Democrat, who is in a runoff, has asked for the vote, and the DNC is not sending any money her way

Landrieu is Arkansas’ Blanche Lincoln all over again, this posturing will not do a damn thing for her chances and the Dems roll over on Climate Change for an walking corpse?

259 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 5:22:50pm

re: #257 William Barnett-Lewis

That is why I refuse to use GPS. I used to see this regularly when driving big trucks. Heck, GPS directions to the hotel I work at will take you to the opposite side of town.

A map, when necessary a compass, and a working brain will get you where you’re going faster and safer.

I agree. GPS was a fun Christmas present a few years ago, then the fail began.

260 thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2014 5:23:16pm

re: #257 William Barnett-Lewis

That is why I refuse to use GPS. I used to see this regularly when driving big trucks. Heck, GPS directions to the hotel I work at will take you to the opposite side of town.

A map, when necessary a compass, and a working brain will get you where you’re going faster and safer.

I use Google Maps and write down the step-by-step directions. Then, at the least, I can add notes to be able to tell myself when I’m lost, and how to get back on track.

261 Belafon  Nov 12, 2014 5:24:39pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

re: #258 bill d

I don’t agree with the decision much either. It does seem kind of pointless.

262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:24:53pm

re: #257 William Barnett-Lewis

That is why I refuse to use GPS. I used to see this regularly when driving big trucks. Heck, GPS directions to the hotel I work at will take you to the opposite side of town.

A map, when necessary a compass, and a working brain will get you where you’re going faster and safer.

Every single time someone comes to visit us here in the backwoods, their GPS insists on taking them to the very top of farm, via backroads.
The house is way down in the bottom of the holler.
The top of the farm and the house are located on two completely different roads, with no connecting road between them (other than a very old logging road that appears on no map anywhere).

263 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 5:29:09pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

…which she’s got next to no chance of winning under any circumstance. So what on earth is this vote supposed to accomplish, other than kowtowing to the kochs? (at least GOPers are loud and obnoxious and blatant about serving their true masters. Turncoat dems do it through acquiescence and backstabbing the president, which somehow seems more repellant in comparison)

Bill De Blasio was just on Chris Hayes and he was really good. (paraphrase) If you’re going to promote a progressive agenda, stick to it—people want consistency and you have to deliver.

From his lips to the DNC’s money-clogged ears.

264 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 5:30:55pm

re: #257 William Barnett-Lewis

That is why I refuse to use GPS. I used to see this regularly when driving big trucks. Heck, GPS directions to the hotel I work at will take you to the opposite side of town.

A map, when necessary a compass, and a working brain will get you where you’re going faster and safer.

The last time I was in Kansas City, they had a detour from the airport that just kind of ended, with no further signage, in the middle of downtown. I was just really glad I knew the city well enough to figure out how to get where I was going or I’d have been SOL.

265 thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2014 5:31:18pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Every single time someone comes to visit us here in the backwoods, their GPS insists on taking them to the very top of farm, via backroads.
The house is way down in the bottom of the holler.
The top of the farm and the house are located on two completely different roads, with no connecting road between them (other than a very old logging road that appears on no map anywhere).

See, looking at it on Google Maps, I could see that the house is nowhere near the “address” and compensate. There’s something to be said for putting actual thought into planning your trip, instead of just relying on an electronic gadget to do your thinking for you.

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:32:59pm

(Reuters) - Legislation to approve the Keystone XL pipeline cleared a procedural hurdle in the U.S. Senate on Wednesday, setting up a vote on the project next week.

Democratic Senator Mary Landrieu, who faces a runoff vote in Louisiana on Dec. 6, had pushed for vote on Thursday on the bill.

Her Republican opponent, U.S. Representative Bill Cassidy, pushed for a vote on a similar bill his chamber, as each competed to support TransCanada Corp’s pipeline that would send some 800,000 barrels per day of Canadian oil sand petroleum to refineries in Texas.

267 Vicious Piebola  Nov 12, 2014 5:35:03pm

Dear Dana, if you had insurance you could get treatment for your severe scoliosis, which is just made worse by hauling around & shooting those heavy GUNS.

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:36:49pm

re: #265 thedopefishlives

See, looking at it on Google Maps, I could see that the house is nowhere near the “address” and compensate. There’s something to be said for putting actual thought into planning your trip, instead of just relying on an electronic gadget to do your thinking for you.

My father-in-law, who has been here many many times and knows the actual route to get here, always insists on using his GPS, which takes him TO THE TOP OF THE FARM.
Then he has to drive about 10-15 miles (which takes at least 30 minutes) to actually get here from there.

smh

269 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 5:37:22pm

i guess i am just ignorant here

why is an act of congress necessary to build the keystone oil slick line?

270 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 5:38:41pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course, Mary’s buddy Joe is right behind her. Ugh. I was getting ready to eat dinner, and now I’ve lost my appetite seeing those two freaks.

271 Jenner7  Nov 12, 2014 5:39:07pm

re: #269 dog philosopher

I’m guessing because it will be on fed land??

272 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:39:35pm
273 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:40:52pm

re: #271 Jenner7

I’m guessing because it will be on fed land??

most of it would be built on private land taken via eminent domain.

274 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 5:41:06pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

um,, wut?

littlegreenfootballs.com

It would be “QUITE” the team if they played at midnight, no?

275 Raymond Huffman  Nov 12, 2014 5:41:35pm

come on, does anybody think the chinese are going to have a clean planet. that is the most toxic country on earth.

Obama should work on America, and Americans should boycott this chinese shit and force them out of business.
buy American.
buy Union!

F the Chinese

276 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:42:26pm

re: #274 BeachDem

It would be “QUITE” the team if they played at midnight, no?

Raymond is apparently really pissed off about this thing he “read about” happening in Dearborn.

277 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:43:01pm

oh…lookie…

278 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 5:43:14pm

re: #269 dog philosopher

i guess i am just ignorant here

why is an act of congress necessary to build the keystone oil slick line?

It crosses state lines and international boundries.

This is where is stalled:

PUBLISHED APRIL 19, 2014

The long wait for a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline grew even longer Friday, when the U.S. State Department announced it would allow more time for eight federal agencies to submit their views on the proposed project.

Not sure what Mary’s Senate Bill says. I guess I should read it, I wonder if it is nothing more than talking points?

279 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 5:44:11pm

re: #275 Raymond Huffman

Someone have a few too many adult beverages as a liquid supper?

280 Jenner7  Nov 12, 2014 5:45:16pm

re: #275 Raymond Huffman

Bo Dietl, is that you?

281 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 5:45:57pm

re: #275 Raymond Huffman

when the multinational corporations pack up all the manufacturing jobs they shipped to china and elsewhere and mail them back here

282 lawhawk  Nov 12, 2014 5:46:16pm

For the second time today…

Troll in the dungeon

Do not feed the trolls..

283 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 5:46:48pm

re: #275 Raymond Huffman

Youtube Video

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:46:55pm

Not a full moon.
I blame the comet landing.

And Obama…

285 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 5:47:11pm
286 Raymond Huffman  Nov 12, 2014 5:47:22pm

I no longer drink alcohol.
What does that have to do with not trusting the communist, polluting chinese to do the right thing on climate change
put down the pablum and get with reality sonny.
the chinese are rapists of mother earth!

287 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 5:47:30pm

Ever since we touched down on that comet there has been an outbreak of trolls……….hmmmm.

288 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 5:48:00pm

so basically building keystone requires massive gummint involvement and seizure of the private property of hunnereds of god fearin american citizens??

i knewed it was a communist plot!

289 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 5:48:31pm

re: #287 bill d

Ever since we touched down on that comet there has been an outbreak of trolls……….hmmmm.

i blame the tesseract

290 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 5:49:09pm

re: #288 dog philosopher

so basically building keystone requires massive gummint involvement and seizure of the private property of hunnereds of god fearin american citizens??

i knewed it was a communist plot!

But its all okay, because the GOP is all about small government.
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291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:49:16pm

re: #288 dog philosopher

so basically building keystone requires massive gummint involvement and seizure of the private property of hunnereds of god fearin american citizens??

i knewed it was a communist plot!

IT’S THE CHINESE!!11!!

oh, wait…Canadians…

292 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 5:50:16pm

re: #289 dog philosopher

i blame the tesseract

I’ll blame Matthew McConaughey then, that’s easy.

293 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 5:51:15pm

re: #288 dog philosopher

so basically building keystone requires massive gummint involvement and seizure of the private property of hunnereds of god fearin american citizens??

i knewed it was a communist plot!

Wonder if the Bundy Bunch will turn up brandishing their penises firearms to protect that private property.

294 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 5:51:22pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

IT’S THE CHINESE!!11!!

oh, wait…Canadians…

Its not even a real country anyways.
/

295 Belafon  Nov 12, 2014 5:51:57pm

re: #282 lawhawk

Love the sentiment, but it will never do anything. Argue with trolls, not to change their mind, but to change casual readers’ minds and to correct the misinformation they attempt to put out.

It’s what we hope Democrats will do to Republicans like Ted Cruz.

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 5:52:15pm
297 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 5:53:59pm

**snort**

298 lawhawk  Nov 12, 2014 5:54:40pm

re: #295 Belafon

This one will probably get the ban hammer in short order. It’s not even trying on addressing any of the issues at play on the topic.

299 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 5:57:16pm

re: #298 lawhawk

This one will probably get the ban hammer in short order. It’s not even trying on addressing any of the issues at play on the topic.

Also, it’s hard to argue back with a troll that …has no arguments to put forward. Or coherent sentences for that matter.

300 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 5:57:35pm

re: #298 lawhawk

This one will probably get the ban hammer in short order. It’s not even trying on addressing any of the issues at play on the topic.

it’s a transparent effort to promote right wing aims using supposedly left wing sentiments

301 lawhawk  Nov 12, 2014 5:57:59pm

re: #289 dog philosopher

Nope. The Diviner. If it doesn’t kill you, it makes you batcrap insane.

Maybe someone needs to go to TAHITI.

302 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 5:58:00pm

re: #275 Raymond Huffman

ARGLE BARGLE TALKING POINTS DERP

I wonder whose sock it is…

303 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 5:58:04pm

re: #293 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Wonder if the Bundy Bunch will turn up brandishing their penises firearms to protect that private property.

Good point.

304 Belafon  Nov 12, 2014 5:58:07pm

re: #298 lawhawk

Having seen the dings against him, I’m sure your right. I’ve just never seen a troll go away because people ignored him/her. They either get completely banned, or get frustrated and leave. And when I’ve seen them banned, it’s generally been because enough people arguing with them causes the troll to go just a little too far.

305 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 5:59:06pm
306 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 6:02:41pm

Big batch of my White Chili cooking away for a club meeting tomorrow, garbage is out and cats have settled into their respective spots of the soft. Life is good.

RBS
(and yes, I know that some people think that white (chicken) chili is an abomination. These people are incorrect.

307 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 6:03:12pm

re: #305 Kragar

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That would be one Moebius loop to witness…

308 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 6:04:03pm

re: #257 William Barnett-Lewis

I prefer the old metes and bounds method.

309 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 6:04:05pm

Heck with the troll, this was far more interesting today.

Start here:

xkcd1446.org

and use your arrows to scroll through. He did it in real time.

310 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 6:04:12pm

re: #305 Kragar

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They don’t seize it for long, just long enough to bury the pipeline and find the address to mail the royalty checks to. But one would think that the “Don’t tread on me” crowd would have a problem telling a private landowner that he has to let a private business come onto and take over part of his land.

311 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 6:04:34pm

re: #306 RealityBasedEbola

Big batch of my White Chili cooking away for a club meeting tomorrow, garbage is out and cats have settled into their respective spots of the soft. Life is good.

RBS
(and yes, I know that some people think that white (chicken) chili is an abomination. These people are incorrect.

Damn straight it is…white “chili” is not natural.

Give me a bowl of red or give me death…

///

312 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 6:05:25pm

re: #308 Amory Blaine

I prefer the old metes and bounds method.

Only when dealing with old documents, thanks! ;)

313 Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2014 6:05:57pm

re: #286 Raymond Huffman

314 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 6:06:43pm

re: #310 bill d

They don’t seize it for long, just long enough to bury the pipeline and find the address to mail the royalty checks to. But one would think that the “Don’t tread on me” crowd would have a problem telling a private landowner that he has to let a private business come onto and take over part of his land.

What about property owners who would prefer not to have the next BP oil spill in their back yard?

315 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 6:06:50pm
316 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 6:07:48pm

re: #311 TedStriker

Damn straight it is…white “chili” is not natural.

Give me a bowl of red or give me death…

///

and not only will it have beans, they will be the white bean of the cannellini!!!!

RBS

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:08:11pm

re: #308 Amory Blaine

I prefer the old metes and bounds method.

chains and links.
I have a 19th Century survey of part of my farm that is measured in chains and links. Boundary markers on that survey are trees, stumps, rocks and, at one point, a “bear wallow”.

318 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 6:08:20pm

re: #314 Kragar

What about property owners who would prefer not to have the next BP oil spill in their back yard?

Don’t worry, that won’t happen again.

319 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 6:09:18pm

re: #314 Kragar

What about property owners who would prefer not to have the next BP oil spill in their back yard?

“Hey, if they didn’t want that, then they shouldn’t have cashed those checks for the right-of-way easements that we had the states take from them using eminent domain!”

320 Kid A  Nov 12, 2014 6:10:10pm

re: #286 Raymond Huffman

321 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 6:10:44pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh. I had to do that kind of surveying when I got my Civil Engineering degree (in the beginning). I loved especially looking through old documents.

322 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 6:10:48pm

re: #318 Eventual Carrion

Don’t worry, that won’t happen again.

People worried about contaminating the aquifer should lighten up and just buy bottle water.
/

323 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:11:42pm

Amazes me that people in an adjacent county went ballistic over a proposed wind farm (on agricultural and industrial zoned property) but they have NO PROBLEM with Keystone.

NIMBY asshats.

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:12:25pm

re: #322 Kragar

People worried about contaminating the aquifer should lighten up and just buy bottle water.
/

From Nestle!
(pay no attention to the fracking additives…)

325 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 6:12:44pm

re: #322 Kragar

People worried about contaminating the aquifer should lighten up and just buy bottle water.
/

From my friend Milt here. Milt, sell these folks some water. As much as they need.

326 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 6:14:16pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

chains and links.
I have a 19th Century survey of part of my farm that is measured in chains and links. Boundary markers on that survey are trees, stumps, rocks and, at one point, a “bear wallow”.

Is that the point where the line gets real crooked for bit?

RBS

327 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 6:15:34pm

re: #320 Kid A

I’m beginning to believe that Douglas Adams was writing history rather than fantasy when he described the Golgafrincham B Ark.

328 Kid A  Nov 12, 2014 6:16:58pm

So Raymond offered a lot to the conversation.
//

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:17:29pm

re: #326 RealityBasedEbola

Is that the point where the line gets real crooked for bit?

RBS

No doubt…

330 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 6:17:47pm

re: #328 Kid A

So Raymond offered a lot to the conversation.
//

Changed some hearts and minds too I’d wager.

//

331 TedStriker  Nov 12, 2014 6:17:49pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amazes me that people in an adjacent county went ballistic over a proposed wind farm (on agricultural and industrial zoned property) but they have NO PROBLEM with Keystone.

NIMBY asshats.

You live in KY, correct?

I mean, we’re talking about a state that has a specialty license plate devoted to “Friends of Coal”…why be surprised about their attitudes about thing like Keystone and wind?

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:18:24pm

re: #331 TedStriker

You live in KY, correct?

I mean, we’re talking about a state that has a specialty license plate devoted to “Friends of Coal”…why be surprised about their attitudes about thing like Keystone and wind?

yep…

333 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 6:18:34pm

re: #330 bill d

Changed some hearts and minds too I’d wager.

//

My opinion of Chinese people is irrevocably changed. I will never be the same.

//

334 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:19:19pm

re: #333 teleskiguy

My opinion of Chinese people is irrevocably changed. I will never be the same.

//

and UNIONS! and BUY AMERICAN!!11!!!

good freaking grief…

335 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:20:35pm

re: #309 William Barnett-Lewis

Heck with the troll, this was far more interesting today.

Start here:

xkcd1446.org

and use your arrows to scroll through. He did it in real time.

Watched today - best thing evah.

336 Kid A  Nov 12, 2014 6:21:12pm

Leafs up 5-0, mid-second period. That’s like being up 35-3 at halftime in the NFL like the Houston Oilers against the Buffalo Bills in the 1992 playoffs. You can chalk it up as a victory. Oh, wait…

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:21:31pm

re: #335 Resident of The United States of Jesus

Watched today - best thing evah.

me, too. It was brilliant!

338 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:21:38pm

re: #309 William Barnett-Lewis

Heck with the troll, this was far more interesting today.

Start here:

xkcd1446.org

and use your arrows to scroll through. He did it in real time.

What prompted the whales comment?

339 Belafon  Nov 12, 2014 6:22:20pm

re: #338 Resident of The United States of Jesus

Harpoons, which the lander was supposed to use to stay attached to the comet.

340 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 6:22:28pm

re: #338 Resident of The United States of Jesus

What prompted the whales comment?

Harpoons!

(Although I’m going with a Star Trek IV reference.)

341 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:22:30pm

re: #338 Resident of The United States of Jesus

What prompted the whales comment?

The lander had harpoons to tether itself to the comet.

342 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 6:22:57pm

re: #338 Resident of The United States of Jesus

What prompted the whales comment?

I’m guessing both the “harpoon” thing, and Douglas Adams.

RBS

343 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:22:59pm

re: #338 Resident of The United States of Jesus

What prompted the whales comment?

Harpoons. Getting it slowly, I am.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:23:03pm

But the harpoons failed to deploy…

SCOTTY!!!!

345 Kid A  Nov 12, 2014 6:23:29pm

re: #309 William Barnett-Lewis

Thanks for sharing, that was awesome.

346 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:24:04pm

haha, idjit me.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:24:12pm
348 EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2014 6:25:24pm

re: #333 teleskiguy

My opinion of Chinese people is irrevocably changed. I will never be the same.

//

I still remember my shock when a fellow Stanford EE Ph. D.student tried to get me agitated about the new Yellow Peril (i.e., Japan Inc.) back in the 90s using the hokiest propaganda tropes ever.

My response to that kind of bilge has never changed —- compared to what the US elites are doing to ruin the country, unfair trading practices in some cases by other countries is a very minor issue.

349 Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2014 6:29:15pm

By the way, if you downding a comment, and your rating causes it to drop to -10, you’ll now see the comment vanish and be replaced by a button.

You can also view this special effect by clicking the button to show a comment that’s already fallen below -10, and giving it a negative rating (if you haven’t already).

350 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:29:54pm

I’m going to pass that on to my friends with young kids.

Science is beautiful and fun.

351 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 6:30:42pm

re: #333 teleskiguy

My opinion of Chinese people is irrevocably changed. I will never be the same.

//

Youtube Video

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:31:43pm

Update on my sister:
Her bypass surgery went well yesterday, but she had some complications last night: one of the grafts started to leak so they had to go back in to fix it; her right ventricle was having a hard time, so they kept her on the heart pump (or whatever it is); and there’s some impaired circulation in one of her legs where a vein was harvested for one of the grafts.
OTOH, she’s awake and talking. Lots of pain when she breathes (not surprising), but she can laugh about it (but not too loudly).

Also, this morning, I got the results of my annual boob smash: results were normal (which may be the only “normal” thing about me…)

353 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 6:35:01pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

boob smash

354 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 6:35:12pm

re: #350 Resident of The United States of Jesus

I’m going to pass that on to my friends with young kids.

Science is beautiful and fun.

There are only 4 web comics I follow regularly. In order of coolness, to me at least (though the division is exceedingly fine):
1) xkcd.com
2) schlockmercenary.com
3) questionablecontent.net
4) freefall.purrsia.com

You may notice a strong science/geek/sf tinge here… ;) Even QC has strong sf elements mixed in with it’s slice of life story line.

355 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 6:35:18pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seriously though, my best to your sister.

356 lawhawk  Nov 12, 2014 6:36:41pm

re: #340 klystron

Harpoons, and I’ll go with either Moby Dick or Hitchhiker’s Guide.

357 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:37:06pm

re: #355 teleskiguy

Seriously though, my best to your sister.

thanks!

358 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 6:39:23pm

Hmm.

359 klystron  Nov 12, 2014 6:39:50pm

If you can stand to listening to YET ANOTHER version of Let It Go, this guy does it in the voices of a wide range of Disney characters and it’s pretty damn awesome.

Youtube Video

360 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 6:40:49pm

I think I asked this the other day, and I didn’t get an answer. I only ask for my own education and political entertainment.

Has anyone seen anything in any media from Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

Since there is a lot of commenting around here about the election fallout and the Dems scurrying about looking for a place at the trough I am amazed I haven’t seen one word about her. Of course I may have missed it.

Do you all think she will/should keep her job as Chair of the Democratic National Committee?

She seems to have become transparent. If she is around, she sure blends in and can’t be seen.

361 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 6:41:40pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll take that as good news. It really is amazing what medical science can do and it sounds like she is somewhere where they are watching her closely and paying attention, you can’t ask for more than that. Continued good vibes being sent her way and congratulations on your test results too.

362 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 6:41:53pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Update on my sister:
Her bypass surgery went well yesterday, but she had some complications last night: one of the grafts started to leak so they had to go back in to fix it; her right ventricle was having a hard time, so they kept her on the heart pump (or whatever it is); and there’s some impaired circulation in one of her legs where a vein was harvested for one of the grafts.
OTOH, she’s awake and talking. Lots of pain when she breathes (not surprising), but she can laugh about it (but not too loudly).

Also, this morning, I got the results of my annual boob smash: results were normal (which may be the only “normal” thing about me…)

Wishing you both good health.

363 EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2014 6:42:58pm

re: #360 ObserverArt

I think I asked this the other day, and I didn’t get an answer. I only ask for my own education and political entertainment.

Has anyone seen anything in any media from Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

Since there is a lot of commenting around here about the election fallout and the Dems scurrying about looking for a place at the trough I am amazed I haven’t seen one word about her. Of course I may have missed it.

Do you all think she will/should keep her job as Chair of the Democratic National Committee?

She seems to have become transparent. If she is around, she sure blends in and can’t be seen.

This is an interesting question. I think the removal of Dean as DNC chair was a big mistake, and see no evidence that present DNC leadership is good for much of anything.

364 bill d  Nov 12, 2014 6:45:24pm

re: #360 ObserverArt

I think I asked this the other day, and I didn’t get an answer. I only ask for my own education and political entertainment.

Has anyone seen anything in any media from Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

Since there is a lot of commenting around here about the election fallout and the Dems scurrying about looking for a place at the trough I am amazed I haven’t seen one word about her. Of course I may have missed it.

Do you all think she will/should keep her job as Chair of the Democratic National Committee?

She seems to have become transparent. If she is around, she sure blends in and can’t be seen.

There has to be someone else who wants the job. I would wager that with a Clinton run there would be a bunch of people who would like that post but I think she basically serves at the pleasure of the leader of the party (Obama) due to the committee assignments? It will probably go to an old insider who hasn’t alienated both Obama and Clinton, if that person exists.

365 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:45:58pm

re: #354 William Barnett-Lewis

There are only 4 web comics I follow regularly. In order of coolness, to me at least (though the division is exceedingly fine):
1) xkcd.com
2) schlockmercenary.com
3) questionablecontent.net
4) freefall.purrsia.com

You may notice a strong science/geek/sf tinge here… ;) Even QC has strong sf elements mixed in with it’s slice of life story line.

Awesome. I don’t have kids, if I did I’d prob be a tiger mom. With comics. There’s just so much more great info available now, kids just need to see it.

I kinda get on a high horse about my friends and their child raising. (quietly, I never say anything) No discovery, no reaching for knowledge. Just soccer and tae kwon do. The parent’s never did much discovery, so their kids will probably follow. :(

366 freetoken  Nov 12, 2014 6:46:50pm

re: #358 teleskiguy

You could draw a line from OK to WI and end up in four states which form the spectrum:

Republican — Conservative — Democratic — Liberal

Which sort of reflects the giant political shift of my lifetime, which the GOP now more reactionary than conservative and the self-aware progressives much more liberal than the Democratic party machinery.

367 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:47:54pm

re: #361 bill d

I’ll take that as good news. It really is amazing what medical science can do and it sounds like she is somewhere where they are watching her closely and paying attention, you can’t ask for more than that. Continued good vibes being sent her way and congratulations on your test results too.

They took her off the heart pump a couple of hours ago.
The graft that was leaking wasn’t cauterized completely the first time.
I’ve heard that bypass surgeries for women can be problematic because the graft veins are smaller on average then men’s are.
She’s at an excellent hospital, however, and she has great faith in her surgeon’s abilities.
She’s also a nurse, which kind of makes her a cranky patient. :D

368 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 12, 2014 6:48:22pm

re: #354 William Barnett-Lewis

There are only 4 web comics I follow regularly. In order of coolness, to me at least (though the division is exceedingly fine):
1) xkcd.com
2) schlockmercenary.com
3) questionablecontent.net
4) freefall.purrsia.com

You may notice a strong science/geek/sf tinge here… ;) Even QC has strong sf elements mixed in with it’s slice of life story line.

I follow three of those four, and Girl Genius as well.

369 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 6:48:34pm

re: #363 EPR-radar

This is an interesting question. I think the removal of Dean as DNC chair was a big mistake, and see no evidence that present DNC leadership is good for much of anything.

I agree about Dean. Sure he can wig out from time to time, but policy wise he usually is very practical from a realistic liberal political point. I think he has gotten sharper too since he had his own election run failings.

Hmmm. Maybe he will run again. People are asking for someone different than Hillary.

/// Only about running again.

370 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 6:48:42pm

Why is Alabama so good? Everyday for me is an adventure.

371 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:48:52pm

re: #360 ObserverArt

I think I asked this the other day, and I didn’t get an answer. I only ask for my own education and political entertainment.

Has anyone seen anything in any media from Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

Since there is a lot of commenting around here about the election fallout and the Dems scurrying about looking for a place at the trough I am amazed I haven’t seen one word about her. Of course I may have missed it.

Do you all think she will/should keep her job as Chair of the Democratic National Committee?

She seems to have become transparent. If she is around, she sure blends in and can’t be seen.

I have not seen her mentioned lately except for the RWNJ’s calling her out.

So yeah, she didn’t do such a great job.

372 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 6:50:12pm

re: #366 freetoken

Wisconsin is not liberal. The entire government is run by teabaggers and has been for a while now.

373 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:50:12pm

re: #360 ObserverArt

She got hammered in the responses.

374 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 6:53:02pm

re: #368 Feline Fearless Leader

I follow three of those four, and Girl Genius as well.

AH Girl Genius. Forgot that one somehow. Yes, I follow that strangeness as well. Coal eating intelligent locomotive monster anyone?

375 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 6:54:16pm

re: #372 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin is not liberal. The entire government is run by teabaggers and has been for a while now.

The irony is that the people, overall, are much more mellow and liberal than the idiots they regularly vote in. SMH. You’d think they’d understand what was wrong better than they do.

376 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 12, 2014 6:55:20pm

For those interested
Paged a little on the new Pink Floyd thematic album and linked at Spotify

377 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 6:55:53pm

re: #358 teleskiguy

Hmm.

[Embedded content]

Don’t see why PA is haunted. I don’t see but one, maybe two at most, ghosts a week. Nothing unusual about that.

378 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 6:56:07pm

re: #375 William Barnett-Lewis

The irony is that the people, overall, are much more mellow and liberal than the idiots they regularly vote in. SMH. You’d think they’d understand what was wrong better than they do.

Sayeth the whole fucking US of A.

379 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 6:56:54pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

She got hammered in the responses.

Thanks for that. The comments you refer to, were those the ones at YouTube? If so, they have been shut down for that video. Must’a’ got a little too hammering.

And yeah, standard response video from her.

She says she wants ‘us’ to help out. Anyone going to bomb her with suggestions? There have been many around here since last Tuesday.

380 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 6:58:50pm

re: #379 ObserverArt

Any response will bring an avalanche of emails begging for money.

381 dog philosopher  Nov 12, 2014 6:58:52pm

hoover,
mccarthy,
nixon,
h w bush,
gingrich,
w bush

sometimes i wonder how many practical demonstrations of the economic and social incompetence of republicans it’s gonna take before the point sinks in with the american people

382 Jenner7  Nov 12, 2014 6:58:57pm

re: #360 ObserverArt

I think her ass should resign. She failed at her job. But Democrats always fail at mid term elections.

383 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 6:59:02pm

re: #379 ObserverArt

I didn’t look at the YouTube comments, I was talking about the responses to her tweet.

384 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 7:00:42pm

re: #380 Amory Blaine

Any response will bring an avalanche of emails begging for money.

Thanks for the reminder. There has been a lot of mention of that around here too. And not in a good way.

385 Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2014 7:07:03pm

Listen to this beautiful parakeet do R2D2

Youtube Video

386 Jenner7  Nov 12, 2014 7:09:01pm

Fergusonfireside was cancelled tonight for meetings like this. They are preparing for the announcement. Please keep all these guys in your thoughts as they fight to matter.

387 ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2014 7:09:56pm

Later all. Going to get ready for the change in temps coming for the next few days. Getting cold quick this year.

I already changed my tires from summer sport to winter snow today. Usually I have waited for Thanksgiving weekend. I have a funny feeling that wasn’t going to cut it this year. Everyone stay comfortable in your climes.

388 retired cynic  Nov 12, 2014 7:49:45pm

re: #381 dog philosopher

hoover,
mccarthy,
nixon,
h w bush,
gingrich,
w bush

sometimes i wonder how many practical demonstrations of the economic and social incompetence of republicans it’s gonna take before the point sinks in with the american people

Please add Reagan and Cheney to that!

389 Romantic Heretic  Nov 12, 2014 7:55:37pm

re: #330 bill d

Changed some hearts and minds too I’d wager.

//

I had to change my underwear because I was laughing so hard.

Does that count?

390 Romantic Heretic  Nov 12, 2014 7:59:41pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s good news.

391 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 12, 2014 8:01:16pm

re: #381 dog philosopher

hoover,
mccarthy,
nixon,
h w bush,
gingrich,
w bush

sometimes i wonder how many practical demonstrations of the economic and social incompetence of republicans it’s gonna take before the point sinks in with the american people

Would that be the same American people who gave the House to the Republicans in 2010 and 2012, then gave them the House and the Senate this year? Just asking.

392 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 8:04:44pm

re: #366 freetoken

I still see the former CSA very clearly, with the anomaly of Alabama (Good? I mean, I can see Oregon, but Alabama?).

393 iceweasel  Nov 13, 2014 3:53:55pm

re: #286 Raymond Huffman

I no longer drink alcohol.
What does that have to do with not trusting the communist, polluting chinese to do the right thing on climate change
put down the pablum and get with reality sonny.
the chinese are rapists of mother earth!

What is this, generated by some random wingnut speechalator? mad libs for wingnuts?


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