Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds on Austin City Limits: “Stagger Lee” (EXPLICIT)

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Just posted last week by Austin City Limits, here’s a wild performance of “Stagger Lee” by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, one of the highlights of the magnificent 1996 album Murder Ballads.

Definitely not safe for work.

(And big kudos to ACL for posting it unedited at YouTube!)

Exclusive web-only bonus track not included in television broadcast.

Watch Austin City Limits on PBS. To find out when ACL is on in your area, visit: acltv.com to check your local listings.

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1 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 7:15:12pm

Winter has (rudely) arrived in fly-over country of the United States.

2 Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2014 7:26:32pm
3 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2014 7:29:27pm
4 Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2014 7:31:26pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Women clinic protesters should get life then.

5 Viscous Obama  Nov 12, 2014 7:41:05pm

This gif belongs in the last thread but FUTURE GUM CHEWING EMPEROR OBAMA

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6 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 12, 2014 7:44:25pm

Evening lizards!

7 nines09  Nov 12, 2014 7:49:46pm

Stagger Lee. Knew a boy called that once. Just once. Yep. He went to cut deals, and you was the driver. He came out running and the shit was in the fan. Stagga. Everyone wants a taste, but no one wants the bowl.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 12, 2014 8:02:46pm
9 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 8:08:23pm

...

10 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 8:11:23pm

re: #9 RealityBasedEbola

Duly noted.

Wait, what did you say again? I missed it.

11 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 8:15:44pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Predation.

Always a sight when you see it happen right in front of you. Couple of winters back I saw a mountain lion mawing down on a deer, blood all over its face. I wish I’d seen that cat kill that deer, that’s predation, the real animal instinct.

The avian variety of species is especially cunning and cruel with their predation.

12 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 8:17:28pm

I was going to post a couple of pics I took in Florida. a bird in a tree (kingfisher maybe?) who was watching a school of minnows, worked its way down the branch, and then lunged out at them to catch one. Can’t find where I’ve got them filed away. (one of these days I’ll get them ALL in one place, then let Lightroom import them all again and move them to appropriate folders.

Don’t you have a pump handle or flag pole that you need to stick your tongue on?

RBS

13 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 12, 2014 8:22:50pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

Predation.

Always a sight when you see it happen right in front of you. Couple of winters back I saw a mountain lion mawing down on a deer, blood all over its face. I wish I’d seen that cat kill that deer, that’s predation, the real animal instinct.

The avian variety of species is especially cunning and cruel with their predation.

One morning in Virginia we saw a black snake starting to eat a bird. It was amazing to watch it slowly swallowing the bird. The next morning all we found were feathers.

14 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 12, 2014 8:23:17pm

re: #5 Viscous Obama

This gif belongs in the last thread but FUTURE GUM CHEWING EMPEROR OBAMA

Image: HT_OBAMA_CHEWING_ll_141111.gif

He looks like he owns the place. No wonder the Chinese got their noses out of joint.

15 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 8:23:20pm

re: #12 RealityBasedEbola

Don’t you have a pump handle or flag pole that you need to stick your tongue on?

RBS

Ahem. That’s a chairlift for moi.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 12, 2014 8:23:48pm
17 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 12, 2014 8:28:56pm

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

One morning in Virginia we saw a black snake starting to eat a bird. It was amazing to watch it slowly swallowing the bird. The next morning all we found were feathers.

I remember when I was down in Florida early this year to visit my Dad. We went to a state park called “Shark Valley” and as we were walking one of the trails, we came across a smallish commerant (I think that’s what it was) that had caught a fairly large eel out of the water. The eel was bigger than the bird, and he was having a hell of a time trying to eat get it flipped around so he could start to swallow it. Funny thing is, it was so involved in what it was doing that it totally ignored us and tried to figure out how to get that fish going the right way. He finally dropped it, and I took my pocket knife and cut it into a couple of pieces.

He scarfed up one of them, and then gave me a look like “yea, I could have done it myself….”

RBS

18 Jenner7  Nov 12, 2014 8:29:33pm

Stunning.

19 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 8:30:58pm
20 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2014 8:38:23pm
Europe is landing a space ship on a comet.
America is removing evolution from text books.
Remember when we got a guy on the moon?

How long before we’re reduced to a rogue, theocratic nation despised in the world community for our backward beliefs and dangerous foreign policy?

21 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 8:38:26pm

re: #18 Jenner7

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Stunning.

5 feet 11 inches tall.

I’m 5’ 9”.

It is a lovely picture of the First Lady.

I think she’s been a good First Lady. It’s gotta be hard to be the first black First Lady and I think she’s done it with humor and grace.

I mean, what the fuck is wrong with encouraging school kids to eat healthy food?!?

22 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 12, 2014 8:44:49pm

re: #18 Jenner7

Stunning.

No question about it.

23 Jenner7  Nov 12, 2014 8:51:49pm

Can’t wait to watch…

24 #FergusonFireside  Nov 12, 2014 8:54:30pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

5 feet 11 inches tall.

I’m 5’ 9”.

It is a lovely picture of the First Lady.

I think she’s been a good First Lady. It’s gotta be hard to be the first black First Lady and I think she’s done it with humor and grace.

I mean, what the fuck is wrong with encouraging school kids to eat healthy food?!?

Youtube Video

25 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 12, 2014 9:15:50pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

5 feet 11 inches tall.

I’m 5’ 9”.

It is a lovely picture of the First Lady.

I think she’s been a good First Lady. It’s gotta be hard to be the first black First Lady and I think she’s done it with humor and grace.

I mean, what the fuck is wrong with encouraging school kids to eat healthy food?!?

She could come out and tell kids to love their mothers, eat apple pie once a week, and help old people cross the street, and her haters would still hate her.

26 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 9:20:44pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan

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cool. I recognized Starr, United, and Tarkington but that’s it. scary to see how old that Giants qb looks…

27 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 12, 2014 9:22:55pm

re: #20 Blind Frog Belly White

How long before we’re reduced to a rogue, theocratic nation despised in the world community for our backward beliefs and dangerous foreign policy?

Heinlein’s future history said any day now…

28 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 9:23:42pm

re: #27 William Barnett-Lewis

Heinlein’s future history said any day now…

If this goes on…

29 austin_blue  Nov 12, 2014 9:23:56pm

re: #18 Jenner7

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Stunning.

If she and her husband took off their shoes and walked across the Potomac River, Fox would accuse them of being too lazy to swim.

Hard to have any Negro DNA in this country.

30 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 9:28:32pm
31 austin_blue  Nov 12, 2014 9:29:08pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Ahem. That’s a chairlift for moi.

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He was triple-dog dared!

32 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 12, 2014 9:40:09pm

re: #29 austin_blue

If she and her husband took off their shoes and walked across the Potomac River, Fox would accuse them of being too lazy to swim.

Hard to have any black DNA in this country.

There are many white people who have more “black DNA” than they would care to acknowledge.

(Setting aside the fact that we’re all descended from African hominids.)

33 austin_blue  Nov 12, 2014 9:40:56pm

re: #30 Kragar

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The man has the power to move celestial bodies into the Earth’s atmosphere, but is totally incompetent in all other areas, because, you know, he has Negro DNA.

(Let’s just call them on it, shall we?)

The President and his wife have Negro DNA. That is the source of all of our problems.

34 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 10:30:11pm

An oldie but goodie.

Comedy Central Video

35 The War TARDIS  Nov 12, 2014 10:45:13pm

In the next week or two, I will have a review of Series 8, and thoughts of where things go from here.

I think the solution to the Orson Pink problem will cause a lot of yelling. I see 2 solutions.

36 freetoken  Nov 12, 2014 11:18:05pm

re: #35 The War TARDIS

I found myself increasingly disinterested in the 2014 season. Capaldi is a fine actor, but the stories lacked the dynamic between the two main actors that the previous two seasons had. The stories themselves were increasingly outlandish, even by Dr. Who standards.

I’m also quite weary of the BBC forcing their shows into ideological forms, which makes for artificial stories and castings.

For example, Dr. Who seems to go a bit overboard in trying to cast non-euro-ethnic characters. Part of this may be driven by the need for BBC Worldwide to market the product outside of the UK, but I think there is still too much guilty-conscious-producing going on in BBC series.

They have also gone overboard, and this applies to the entire 2005 reboot, in making the Doctor into a salvific figure, what I call the Replacement-Christ. The series was always a bit aimed at a post-Christian UK, but some things are now so in-your-face that I wonder how much of the stories really are organic stories from the mind of a writer and how much of the stories are following a dictated set of ground-rules about what “Dr. Who” is supposed to mean to Brits.

37 freetoken  Nov 12, 2014 11:23:39pm

So much for my neo-marxist deconstruction of the hardly-ever-marxist BBC. Let us return to the happier days of our youth…

MP3 Audio

38 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 11:28:25pm

re: #37 freetoken

comin to your window to sing again and again and again and again and again, CHRISTMAS

No.

You fiend!

39 BeachDem  Nov 12, 2014 11:33:48pm

As if the local denizens in this state aren’t crazy enough, so far this week we’ve had Rick Perry visiting a gun factory and Kirk Cameron working the drive thru window at a Chik fil A while here to promote his new movie about Kirk saving Christmas or some such nonsense. And the week isn’t even over yet. Yikes.

40 freetoken  Nov 12, 2014 11:34:30pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

Just for that, you’re going to get some Andre Kostelanetz:

MP3 Audio

41 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 11:39:20pm

re: #40 freetoken

It’s so kitschy, catchy and grand!

I’ve heard this before, long time ago - probably when I was a kid. Don’t know where or how now.

Maybe a Simpsons episode?

42 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 11:40:50pm

re: #40 freetoken

Just for that, you’re going to get some Andre Kostelanetz:

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I love everything that Kostenlanetz ever did…

(what was that line from, “The Graduate”?)

43 freetoken  Nov 12, 2014 11:41:34pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

Andre is a staple of the easy listening circuit. You’ve probably heard it a hundred times over a store’s loudspeaker.

44 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 11:49:13pm

re: #39 BeachDem

45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 12, 2014 11:51:11pm

re: #44 Kragar

Kirk Cameron: Don’t drink the pagan ‘Kool-Aid’ about Christmas, historians ‘don’t know this stuff’

We are reaping the results of failing to teach the basics of how history, science, economics and civics work in a modern world.

Any idiot can spout any sort of bullshit and be taken seriously because people are no longer educated enough to tell the difference.

46 Kragar  Nov 12, 2014 11:54:26pm

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are reaping the results of failing to teach the basics of how history, science, economics and civics work in a modern world.

Any idiot can spout any sort of bullshit and be taken seriously because people are no longer educated enough to tell the difference.

Somewhere along the line, people came up with the foolish notion that every argument had to have two equally valid sides.

Kirk Cameron and his fetid ilk disprove that notion.

47 teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2014 11:58:03pm

re: #43 freetoken

Andre is a staple of the easy listening circuit.

Youtube Video

48 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 12:01:29am

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A couple of weeks ago the FFRF sent a letter to an OK school which appears to be actively proselytizing the students.

Yesterday a local Fox affiliate does a story, sort of totally missing the whole point of there being a US Constitution:

Group says Skiatook school violates includes religion -

49 BeachDem  Nov 13, 2014 12:06:51am

re: #44 Kragar

Yeah, don’t drink the Christmas kool-aid, drop your bucks at the box office to see Kirk’s new movie “Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas” instead. If seeing him in a Chik fil A uniform wasn’t scary enough, here he is in his sparkly hideous Christmas sweater pimping his movie at a radio station. I’m sure it’s Academy Award material. Wonder if Rick Santorum’s Xtian production house is releasing it.


foxcarolina.com
50 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 12:09:11am

re: #46 Kragar

Somewhere along the line, people came up with the foolish notion that every argument had to have two equally valid sides.

Kirk Cameron and his fetid ilk disprove that notion.

When it comes to arguing between your choice of ancient scriptures, then that claim is valid. Science and history are about establishing a consistent, documented and verifiable point of view.

51 BeachDem  Nov 13, 2014 12:10:41am

re: #49 BeachDem

And anyway, didn’t Ernest save Christmas already?

52 Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2014 12:12:32am

Nothing is ever quite as hilarious as watching Christians, particularly Evangelicals, defend the early Church’s con-job that consisted of moving the birth date of their savior so that it perfectly lined up with a pagan holiday for no other reason than to sway them to joining the faith.

I wonder if Mr. Cameron knows that most of the “traditional” ways of celebrating the holiday are inventions of the Victorian Era, popularized by Baby Boomers and commercialized by their Yuppie offspring.

53 BeachDem  Nov 13, 2014 12:17:02am

OMG, talk about heavy-handed, Kirk plays a character named “Kirk” in the movie and he helps his brother-in-law see what really matters about Christmas blah blah blah—and of course, the brother-in-law’s name is Christian. So subtle, so nuanced, so vomit-inducing. imdb says it’s a comedy. I’m sure it’s a barrel o’laughs.

54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 12:22:11am

That’s the thing about a lot of Biblical “literalists”: there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that indicates a birth date or year, but they are perfectly happy to accept a convention that dated Christmas based on a selective interpretation of Biblical “events”.

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 12:31:40am

I swear the one woman I work with here is a real life weirdness magnet. Almost every night she works the 3 to 11 shift, things end up messed up. Grump. Back to fixing the audit.

56 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 12:35:03am

It seems creationists are not happy about North Dakota’s Next Generation Science Standards:

State tackles new science standards

[…]

An initial report of public comments on the state’s first draft of the new standards show a mixed reaction — some people love them, whereas others say they fall short.

Some of the 90 comments submitted so far suggest the new standards are a product of the Common Core, which are math and English language arts standards many states throughout the country have implemented. Those standards have come under fire amid concerns that school districts will lose local control over education and that too much student data will be collected from standardized assessments.

Gallagher said Next Generation is not the same as Comon Core. The new science standards would continue to allow school districts and teachers control over the curriculum they use in the classroom.

Other comments suggest the standards do not go far enough in presenting climate change theories other than man-made global warming. Some comments also suggest that creationism should be taught alongside evolution.

[…]

The BT soft sells the creationist hate for the new standards. Not just “some”, but nearly all the comments are creationist derp.

First, the actual standards:

Now the first release of comments:

It’s creationist derp, all the way down…

There are creationist and AGW denier websites set up to spread science-fear, such as:

stopcommoncorend.com

I don’t know what is sadder - that most of the comments are full of idiocy, or that most North Dakotans appear to just not care about science standards enough to comment.

Here is supposedly the comment form:

surveymonkey.com

This is America, 2014.

57 sagehen  Nov 13, 2014 12:37:19am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That’s the thing about a lot of Biblical “literalists”: there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that indicates a birth date or year, but they are perfectly happy to accept a convention that dated Christmas based on a selective interpretation of Biblical “events”.

Weren’t there lambs in the story? That would point to Spring…

58 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 12:39:44am

I love how the Lignite Energy Council got their pro-coal letter attached to those comments.

Coal - it does the body good.

Even better when it is lignite.

59 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 12:44:43am

This one goes out to the Lignite Energy Council:

Youtube Video

60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 12:47:21am

re: #57 sagehen

Weren’t there lambs in the story? That would point to Spring…

And if the “whole world should be taxed” story is valid, then they would not have had people travelling back to their places of birth in the dead of winter, either.

But it goes to show that the date was chosen arbitrarily for reasons that have little to do with Scripture.

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 12:47:47am

re: #57 sagehen

Weren’t there lambs in the story? That would point to Spring…

Yep, but the spring story line was filled by Passover/Easter so the move to fill the mid-winter slot was quite reasonable.

62 TedStriker  Nov 13, 2014 12:54:03am

re: #58 freetoken

I love how the Lignite Energy Council got their pro-coal letter attached to those comments.

Coal - it does the body good.

Even better when it is lignite.

Brawndo, it’s what plants crave!

/sorta

63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 12:57:05am

re: #61 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep, but the spring story line was filled by Passover/Easter so the move to fill the mid-winter slot was quite reasonable.

The other question is: Why must the fact that we celebrate Christmas on an arbitrary date picked to coincide with the pagan midwinter festival necessarily detract from the meaning of Christmas to Christians?

It does not, it just detracts from their ability to impose their beliefs on other people.

And that gives them a Sad of Biblical proportions.

64 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 1:00:36am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And let’s not go into the origin of Easter eggs or the traditional dipping of the paschal candle into bowl of water…

65 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 1:16:06am

re: #64 William Barnett-Lewis

And let’s not go into the origin of Easter eggs or the traditional dipping of the paschal candle into bowl of water…

Again, none of these extraneous traditions should detract from the meaning of any of Christian holidays unless your agenda involves imposing your beliefs on society.

66 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 13, 2014 1:18:48am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That’s the thing about a lot of Biblical “literalists”: there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that indicates a birth date or year, but they are perfectly happy to accept a convention that dated Christmas based on a selective interpretation of Biblical “events”.

Not entirely true. The author of Luke places the birth at the time of Quirinius’ census in around 7CE. Of course, this entirely contradicts the other gospels, but…

67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 1:22:44am

Happy Birthday, Dear Jesus!!!

68 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 13, 2014 1:23:22am

Then again, many early Jewish Christians thought Jesus was born in the time of Alexander Jannaeus. That is, in the 2nd century BCE. Epiphanius mentions this, and the Talmud seems to be aware only of this version of Jesus.

69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 1:29:48am

Jesus was born on January 7th. Anything else is un-Orthodox.

70 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 13, 2014 1:45:55am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Jesus was born on January 7th. Anything else is un-Orthodox.

Well, no. According to the orthodox church calendar Jesus was born on 25 Dec.

71 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 1:49:30am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Not entirely true. The author of Luke places the birth at the time of Quirinius’ census in around 7CE. Of course, this entirely contradicts the other gospels, but…

And itself, Herod and all.

72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 1:50:10am

I will stick with the Orthodox version, it allows you to take advantage of the post-Christmas sales to buy holiday gifts…

73 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 1:52:49am

The AP - a bit of hyperbole, a bit of truth:

GOP USED CAR SALESMAN TOPS SENIOR W.VA. SENATOR

[…]

That was the kind of election it was for West Virginia Democrats. As voters took out their disgust with President Barack Obama, Maynard defeated Sen. Truman Chafin, a lawmaker Republicans previously had bothered to challenge only once in three decades.

[…]

When Maynard and Chafin sat down with The Bluefield Daily Telegraph editorial board, there wasn’t much that distinguished their stances, Maynard said.

Both candidates stressed support for the coal industry and opposition to Obama’s energy push; both opposed gay marriage; and both urged more action on the King Coal Highway to connect the region to the rest of the state better.

[…]

I’m repeating myself here, but all too often around this country, “Democrat” has no more meaning than “I’m not a Republican.”

And it’s that way in WV, where unfortunately for the local Democrats, the most famous Democrat in the country just happens to be black.

74 Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2014 2:14:03am

re: #68 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Then again, many early Jewish Christians thought Jesus was born in the time of Alexander Jannaeus. That is, in the 2nd century BCE. Epiphanius mentions this, and the Talmud seems to be aware only of this version of Jesus.

I wonder what Kirk Cameron would think about the little quote from Celsus regarding Jesus in his work Alethes Logos. I think his head would explode. Possibly literally.

75 Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2014 2:20:56am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

I wonder what Kirk Cameron would think about the little quote from Celsus regarding Jesus in his work Alethes Logos. I think his head would explode. Possibly literally.

The quote is as follows:

“…[Jesus] came from a Jewish village and from a poor country woman who earned her living by spinning. He says that she was driven out by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, as she was convicted of adultery. Then he says that after she had been driven out by her husband and while she was wandering about in a disgraceful way she secretly gave birth to Jesus. He states that because he [Jesus] was poor he hired himself out as a workman in Egypt, and there tried his hand at certain magical powers on which the Egyptians pride themselves; he returned full of conceit, because of these powers, and on account of them gave himself the title of God … the mother of Jesus is described as having been turned out by the carpenter who was betrothed to her, as she had been convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Panthera.”

- Celsus, Alethes Logos

76 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 3:03:03am

Thanks! I learned something new.

Considering we only have excerpts of Alethes Logos from Origen’s rebuttal, I wonder what else Celsus had to say on the matter of Christianity.

77 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 3:23:09am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

The quote is as follows:

- Celsus, Alethes Logos

I’ve touched on this in a theological essay I’m working and mostly to argue it should not matter. Though to those of a weak literal faith would be horrified (my current Bishop as well, alas). Thanks for a specific citation - I was looking for that.

78 Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2014 3:26:20am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Thanks! I learned something new.

Considering we only have excerpts of Alethes Logos from Origen’s rebuttal, I wonder what else Celsus had to say on the matter of Christianity.

Well, Alethes Logos really only survives in Origen’s counter-argument. But it’s still interesting to look at it, as scholars are of the view that Origen was accurate in quoting Celsus, as in issuing a refutation, he had to be pretty careful.

en.wikipedia.org

79 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 3:29:56am

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

Well, Alethes Logos really only survives in Origen’s counter-argument. But it’s still interesting to look at it, as scholars are of the view that Origen was accurate in quoting Celsus, as in issuing a refutation, he had to be pretty careful.

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, I got that. Origen did a better job of refutation than most modern Bible-thumpers could.

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 3:35:03am

re: #79 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Yeah, I got that. Origen did a better job of refutation than most modern Bible-thumpers could.

Origin is good reading. Still a very interesting author, IMO at least.

81 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 3:49:29am

You see, about the time that I got into Jesus as a teenager, I also had an outstanding history teacher who taught us the importance of original sources.

When I started applying those methods to the gospels and other writings on Jesus, I really began to question their veracity and authenticity.

It does not have to detract from the message of the early Evangelists, but it makes a literal reading impossible for any rational person.

82 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 3:52:22am

Morning Lizards. When did Charles start hiding comments that have a large ( >10 ) negative rating? Just noticed it over in the pages.

83 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 3:54:56am

re: #82 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. When did Charles start hiding comments that have a large ( >10 ) negative rating? Just noticed it over in the pages.

A few days ago, when we had an exceptionally obnoxious, and possibly very drunk, troll.

84 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 3:56:44am

re: #83 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

A few days ago, when we had an exceptionally obnoxious, and possibly very drunk, troll.

Thanks. Did it get the stick or just muted?

85 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 3:58:22am

re: #84 Bubblehead II

Thanks. Did it get the stick or just muted?

Ban hammer.

86 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 4:04:15am

re: #85 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Ban hammer.

Another martyr for the Stalker SIte

87 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 13, 2014 4:22:14am

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They wrote hagiographies, not history. They also freely plagiarized, invented their own theologically based stories, and so on. Which is why the gospels aren’t even good for proving Jesus’ historicity, much less anything beyond that.

88 Dark_Falcon  Nov 13, 2014 4:25:26am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Another martyr for the Stalker SIte

It wasn’t a subtle troll, not at all. It just popped up out of its troll hole and started spewing. It came across as having done the spewing in order to go on some other site (perhaps the Stalker Blog) and proudly proclaim how it had “smacked down the Losards”.

89 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 4:28:45am

re: #87 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

They wrote hagiographies, not history. They also freely plagiarized, invented their own theologically based stories, and so on. Which is why the gospels aren’t even good for proving Jesus’ historicity, much less anything beyond that.

In addition to having an outstanding history teacher who taught me about using original sources, I had an English teacher who taught us about literary genres, and that a testament is not a history or biography, it is a statement of faith: this is what I believe and why. It does not make any claims to being complete, correct, or even consistent.

90 Dark_Falcon  Nov 13, 2014 4:30:36am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

Speaking of Fundies, i can’t help but smile at this story:

Outrage as Duggar Facebook page challenging ‘all married couples’ to upload their kissing pictures removes photos of same-sex couples

John Becker alleges a photo of him kissing his husband posted to the Duggar family’s Facebook page for a challenge was later removed
The challenge was posted online five days after Jessa Duggar uploaded a photo of her in a liplock with husband Ben Seewald
Her parents, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, later smooched in a recreation of the newlyweds’ photograph following online backlash
They wrote ‘We challenge all married couples to take a happily married picture and post it here’

Kind of walked right into that one, eh Jim Bob?

91 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 4:30:54am

Another RWNJ former pro-jock pretends to be a scientist: Curt Schilling Has Disproved Evolution

92 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 4:31:03am

The origins of holiday mall music:

93 Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2014 4:31:46am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Another RWNJ former pro-jock pretends to be a scientist: Curt Schilling Has Disproved Evolution

Has he paid Rhode Island their money back yet?

94 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 4:33:27am
95 Dark_Falcon  Nov 13, 2014 4:33:50am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Another RWNJ former pro-jock pretends to be a scientist: Curt Schilling Has Disproved Evolution

96 Weet  Nov 13, 2014 4:35:15am

Someone over on DKos did a factual takedown of Greensnow. It’s worth the read.

Glenn Greenwald Reporting on Edward Snowden: A Critical Study

97 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 4:35:18am

re: #93 Timothy Watson

Has he paid Rhode Island their money back yet?

98 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 4:45:26am

re: #93 Timothy Watson

Has he paid Rhode Island their money back yet?

Thankfully he spent a big bunch of his money keeping Advanced Squad Leader alive before he got to thinking he knew about business…

99 goddamnedfrank  Nov 13, 2014 4:59:42am

My disappointing wingnut friend from high school posted this to Facebook. It’s from another one of those bullshit hoax news sites:

Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back to life.

She swallowed it hook, line, sinker, including the entire tackle box and half the pier.

100 Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2014 5:01:34am

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

IT’S ON THE INTERNET IT MUST BE TREU!!1!

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 5:14:22am

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

My disappointing wingnut friend from high school posted this to Facebook. It’s from another one of those bullshit hoax news sites:

She swallowed it hook, line, sinker, including the entire tackle box and half the pier.

“Clinically dead” is sort of like the term “legal person”…descriptive of a certain situation, but inherently misleading.

102 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 5:17:14am

Rosetta presser with images
rosetta.esa.int

103 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 5:22:39am
104 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 5:23:50am
105 Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2014 5:25:26am

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are reaping the results of failing to teach the basics of how history, science, economics and civics work in a modern world.

Any idiot can spout any sort of bullshit and be taken seriously because people are no longer educated enough to tell the difference.

It’s also a misconception of “freedom of speech” being interpreted as “freedom of criticism”, as well as the magical balance fairy, which makes in improper to call bullshit on self-evident bullshit.

106 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 5:34:29am

re: #102 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Rosetta presser with images
rosetta.esa.int

107 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 13, 2014 5:34:32am

re: #103 Vicious Piebola

The name is a bit misleading, since it wasn’t a statewide test.
littlegreenfootballs.com
theadvocate.com

108 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 5:34:45am
109 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 5:52:49am
110 Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2014 5:56:08am

Stacked

111 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 5:57:50am

Looks like the CEO just made the case for why we do need Net Neutrality:

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 5:58:39am

re: #94 Vicious Piebola

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Looks yummy. Looks like a disposable loaf pan - I am shocked.
O_o

113 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 5:59:25am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

Looks like the CEO just made the case for why we do need Net Neutrality:

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They have divorced the discussion from what Net Neutrality is about and made it into a discussion of Obama & Big Government vs Business & the GOP, which is what the latter want.

114 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:01:04am

re: #107 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The name is a bit misleading, since it wasn’t a statewide test.
littlegreenfootballs.com
theadvocate.com

The Advocate article suggests this test may be a hoax.

This is a sample of real test.

115 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 6:02:11am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Another RWNJ former pro-jock pretends to be a scientist: Curt Schilling Has Disproved Evolution

116 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:02:12am

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

Looks yummy. Looks like a disposable loaf pan - I am shocked.
O_o

Last week I made the same cake in a fancy shmancy Bundt pan, and half the cake got stuck to the top of the pan.

This week I said “fuck that, I’ll just bake in a loaf pan” and it came out GREAT.

117 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 6:04:54am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They have divorced the discussion from what Net Neutrality is about and made it into a discussion of Obama & Big Government vs Business & the GOP, which is what the latter want.

And in predictable fashion, the RWNJs all line up to obey their GOP/Corporate Masters to oppose NN even though it is against their best interest.

118 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 13, 2014 6:06:06am

re: #114 Vicious Piebola

Even if authentic, it may have been used just in a few places.

119 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:08:50am

re: #116 Vicious Piebola

Cooking with bundt pans is tricky - if you don’t butter/flour the pan enough, it will stick and ruin the look you’re going for. The Mrs. swears by the Pam for Baking spray, and the results pretty much speak for themselves. Most of the time, there’s no sticking, and in the few instances where it does stick, it’s because she didn’t get enough into the corners.

The only real downside is cleaning up the pans after use. It’s a pain to clean out the corners. That’s why the disposable pans are great. No bother with cleaning them after use.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:10:49am

re: #115 Franklin

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It’s really about ethics in professional baseball pitching. Ask Roger Clemens.
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121 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:12:08am

re: #116 Vicious Piebola

Last week I made the same cake in a fancy shmancy Bundt pan, and half the cake got stuck to the top of the pan.

This week I said “fuck that, I’ll just bake in a loaf pan” and it came out GREAT.

Saw that. Just expected to see a nice steel loaf pan instead of something that looks like one of those disposable aluminum pans for cooking the turkey in. Thus the faux shock.

122 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 6:12:23am

As a Red Sox fan that thoroughly enjoyed watching Curt pitch. This gentleman from the Deadspin article comments sums up my feeling succinctly:

Beard_of_Biff_Pocoroba
Today 4:28am
He was a baseball hero because of what he could do standing on a pitcher’s mound, and none of that can be taken away. But I don’t think he “lost his mind somewhere along the way.”

There’s little indication that he ever had much of a mind for anything other than baseball.

123 bill d  Nov 13, 2014 6:13:51am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Another RWNJ former pro-jock pretends to be a scientist: Curt Schilling Has Disproved Evolution

heh, from the comments:

Desi_RelafordUKevin Draper
Yesterday 10:18pm

did once see a workhorse evolved into a jackass.

124 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:16:03am

re: #121 Feline Fearless Leader

Saw that. Just expected to see a nice steel loaf pan instead of something that looks like one of those disposable aluminum pans for cooking the turkey in. Thus the faux shock.

I like the disposable loaf pans. Same results, less cleanup.

125 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:18:02am
126 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 6:19:19am

re: #124 Vicious Piebola

I like the disposable loaf pans. Same results, less cleanup.

Use them myself. Especially when I know the dish I am preparing (lasagna for one) will invariably stick regardless of much oil I coat the pan with.

127 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:20:33am

I got a job order last week from a recruiter for a robotics controller Field Service Engineer. They make about $40/hr but the contracting agency will charge the client about $100/hr.

128 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:21:49am

Hey dumbass, you couldn’t pass it either!

129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 6:23:50am

re: #125 Vicious Piebola

There are two discussions going on, and the TPGOP switch orientation depending on which policy they are promoting: first of all, there is the social component, their vaunted “dignity of hard work” argument, and bootstrapping and building a better life, etc.

But where is the dignity in a job that does not allow a person to feed and educate his kids to lead a better life? Or where he has to work multiple jobs to make ends meet and has no time to raise his family?

Suddenly the argument switches to labor as a purely economic component, one which will be “replaced by a machine” if it grows too expensive.

Corporations are people and people are office supplies.

130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 6:24:48am

re: #128 Vicious Piebola

Hey dumbass, you couldn’t pass it either!

Yes, but he would not be required to take it…

131 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:28:47am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There are two discussions going on, and the TPGOP switch orientation depending on which policy they are promoting: first of all, there is the social component, their vaunted “dignity of hard work” argument, and bootstrapping and building a better life, etc.

But where is the dignity in a job that does not allow a person to feed and educate his kids to lead a better life? Or where he has to work multiple jobs to make ends meet and has no time to raise his family?

Suddenly the argument switches to labor as a purely economic component, one which will be “replaced by a machine” if it grows too expensive.

Corporations are people and people are office supplies.

The HURR HURR A MACHINE CAN DO UR JRRB!!!! is silly. There will always be automation but human interaction is still required. There have been self-checkouts at stores like Walmart and Meijer for years but people still prefer a human cashier, especially for large orders.

There already is a burger-making machine but in spite of its rollout with much fanfare two years ago, it is not actually being used anywhere, not even in Asia where they like these kind of innovations.

132 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 6:32:09am

re: #131 Vicious Piebola

There already is a burger-making machine but in spite of its rollout with much fanfare two years ago, it is not actually being used anywhere, not even in Asia where they like these kind of innovations.

Would you trust a burger made by a machine? I would like to think that there is a face connected to my food, even if I do not see that face in person.

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:32:39am

Good morning Lizards. Sunny and much cooler today after yesterday’s clouds and relative warmth.

On the machinery front I found out from my brother that he’d bought a new motorcycle - Triumph Tiger 800. I guess he enjoyed the experiment he did with a Honda Nighthawk and has moved up to more power. Any of the motorcyclist Lizards have any comments regarding the choice he made? Just curious.

(This also made Xmas shopping easier since he needs a better motorcycle jacket now. Our father’s old flight jacket appears not quite up to the job now.)

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:33:36am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Would you trust a burger made by a machine? I would like to think that there is a face connected to my food, even if I do not see that face in person.

With the machine have a button you can press in order to have it “spit” a little lubricating oil onto the burger of very obnoxious customers?
///

135 ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2014 6:33:38am

Morning all. 30° this morning. We may see some stray snowflakes today. Thye are predicting snow Sunday for central Ohio. Cleveland is getting some this morning. Kinda early compared to recent years.

I guess that kills the global warming talk. Sen. Jim Inhofe will probably be yakking about that, what with China and Obama agreeing to cut greenhouse gases.

William Barnett-Lewis, if you are around…that image of the quarterbacks above…you mention the Giants quarterback looks old.

That’s good ol’ Y A Tittle. I remember watching him as a young kid back in the days of the great old games with Cleveland’s Jimmy Brown against New York’s middle linebacker Sam Huff.

Yelberton Abraham Tittle, the Giants quarterback was always prematurely bald. In that photo he was in his first year with the Giants and he was 34. I think he is still ticking along at 88. He looked 88 in 1961!

136 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:34:53am

re: #135 ObserverArt

IOW, he’s aged gracefully after prematurely aging. /

137 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:35:24am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Would you trust a burger made by a machine? I would like to think that there is a face connected to my food, even if I do not see that face in person.

Any fast food outlet that installs a machine to replace line cooks, and doesn’t hire a FSE to clean that thing out every single day (or twice a day) will be serving salmonella and e coli.

Momentum is not selling their burger machine, they want to lease it with a contract that includes regular maintenance by their FSE who will make the standard FSE rate.

138 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:37:01am

re: #135 ObserverArt

Morning all. 30° this morning. We may see some stray snowflakes today. Thye are predicting snow Sunday for central Ohio. Cleveland is getting some this morning. Kinda early compared to recent years.

I guess that kills the global warming talk. Sen. Jim Inhofe will probably be yakking about that, what with China and Obama agreeing to cut greenhouse gases.

William Barnett-Lewis, if you are around…that image of the quarterbacks above…you mention the Giants quarterback looks old.

That’s good ol’ Y A Title. I remember watching him as a young kid back in the days of the great old games with Cleveland’s Jimmy Brown against New York’s middle linebacker Sam Huff.

Yelberton Abraham Tittle, the Giants quarterback was always prematurely bald. In that photo he was in his first year with the Giants and he was 34. I think he is still ticking along at 88. He looked 88 in 1961!

There’s a famous photo of him originally printed in LIFE of him on his knees after being sacked or something. Helmet is off and there’s blood running down his head. I saw it captioned once as a “Tossed Tittle”.

139 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:39:10am

Wingnuts tweeting this meme everywhere. I guess they really do think Obama is Jesus.

140 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:40:10am

Found it.

Tossed Tittle

Edit: Apparently there are lots of similar photos to the LIFE one belonging to various newspapers and sports magazines. Scads of photographers about for that game I guess. I just saw it first in a book that was a collection of photos from LIFE. Thus the recollection and association.

141 iossarian  Nov 13, 2014 6:43:20am

re: #139 Vicious Piebola

Wingnuts tweeting this meme everywhere. I guess they really do think Obama is Jesus.

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So ironic when you consider GOP foreign policy consists of “drop bombs on foreigners until they quit”.

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:44:26am

re: #141 iossarian

So ironic when you consider GOP foreign policy consists of “drop bombs on foreigners until they quit”.

FTFY.

143 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 13, 2014 6:44:45am

It has been nearly 100 days since Mike Brown was killed, and the Grand Jury is just NOW bringing Dr. Baden in.

144 ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2014 6:45:09am

re: #92 Vicious Piebola

The origins of holiday mall music:

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That graphic always brings back memories. I started Catholic school in 1960, and I still remember the nuns taking time every Friday from around Thanksgiving until Christmas vacation to have all the kids sing those old classic Christmas songs, both religious and non-religious.

I can still remember all the nuns would reach into their habits and pull out their little pitch pipes to give everyone the key note and off we would go.

Do kids ever sing songs in any schools anymore? It was a good way to get some early music appreciation.

145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 6:45:35am

re: #139 Vicious Piebola

Wingnuts tweeting this meme everywhere. I guess they really do think Obama is Jesus.

FATHER ASKS OBAMA TO USE EXECUTIVE ORDER TO BRING SON SLAIN BY ILLEGAL ALIEN BACK TO LIFE

Odd, nobody is asking him to bring Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown or all the kids slain at Columbine and Sandy Hook back to life…

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 6:47:32am

re: #133 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards. Sunny and much cooler today after yesterday’s clouds and relative warmth.

On the machinery front I found out from my brother that he’d bought a new motorcycle - Triumph Tiger 800. I guess he enjoyed the experiment he did with a Honda Nighthawk and has moved up to more power. Any of the motorcyclist Lizards have any comments regarding the choice he made? Just curious.

(This also made Xmas shopping easier since he needs a better motorcycle jacket now. Our father’s old flight jacket appears not quite up to the job now.)

Nice bike. The current Triumphs are some really well made machines that are not as well known as they should be. I personally would go with either a Thruxton 900 or, if in a raw speed mode, the Speed Triple, but the Tiger is a nice machine too.

147 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:49:09am

So, the GOP is back on the anti-Obamacare bandwagon with reckless abandon to the facts.

Show me any private insurer who hasn’t done the exact same thing. You can fall over yourself with examples of double billing, death paneling someone’s claims as being experimental or outside the customary and usual practices, or bankrupting someone who is unable to communicate that they need to go to an in-network hospital and find themselves unable to pay for out-of-network care (as say someone who has a heart attack and can’t communicate their insurance coverages, and therefore get procedures done at the out of network costs, which are substantially higher than the in-network costs).

The ACA isn’t perfect, and yet that’s what the GOP is demanding, all while ignoring the imperfect and far more damaging system that preceded it. The GOP seems delirious over the need to attack the ACA over shortcomings that persist in all areas of health insurance - and which existed (and continue to exist) in private health insurance markets.

The issue with recapturing subsidies (or in some cases, giving rebates for overpayments) is a tough one, particularly when the insurance companies are still trying to determine what their costs are, and what they should be charging for this new pool of insureds.

148 ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2014 6:50:17am

re: #108 Dr. Matt

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Saw that last night on the second showing of All In.

Frank Ancona from Traditionalist American Knights of the KKK is a block head.

I do like how all of a sudden the Klan is all inclusive. He tried selling that crap last night too. He also seems to have tried the Gish gallop crap too. Problem is, Hayes has the switch to cut the dude in the middle of one of gallops.;..and off he went.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 6:52:36am

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

Nice bike. The current Triumphs are some really well made machines that are not as well known as they should be. I personally would go with either a Thruxton 900 or, if in a raw speed mode, the Speed Triple, but the Tiger is a nice machine too.

He related to me that he’d test ridden a BMW before going to the Triumph dealership. He told the salesperson that he was giving them an opportunity to convince him not to buy a BMW - and she replied “Challenge accepted.”

:)

150 ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2014 6:54:09am

re: #124 Vicious Piebola

I like the disposable loaf pans. Same results, less cleanup.

Are they recyclable? One must think of Mother Earth…and our always full trash fills.

: )

151 darthstar  Nov 13, 2014 6:55:16am
152 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:55:25am

re: #150 ObserverArt

Are they recyclable? One must think of Mother Earth…and our always full trash fills.

: )

I put them in the recycle bin.

153 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:57:43am

re: #151 darthstar

Hey, someone swore there wouldn’t be math on Twitter this early in the morning. /

154 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 6:59:40am

re: #147 lawhawk

So, the GOP is back on the anti-Obamacare bandwagon with reckless abandon to the facts.

[Embedded content]

Show me any private insurer who hasn’t done the exact same thing. You can fall over yourself with examples of double billing, death paneling someone’s claims as being experimental or outside the customary and usual practices, or bankrupting someone who is unable to communicate that they need to go to an in-network hospital and find themselves unable to pay for out-of-network care (as say someone who has a heart attack and can’t communicate their insurance coverages, and therefore get procedures done at the out of network costs, which are substantially higher than the in-network costs).

The ACA isn’t perfect, and yet that’s what the GOP is demanding, all while ignoring the imperfect and far more damaging system that preceded it. The GOP seems delirious over the need to attack the ACA over shortcomings that persist in all areas of health insurance - and which existed (and continue to exist) in private health insurance markets.

The issue with recapturing subsidies (or in some cases, giving rebates for overpayments) is a tough one, particularly when the insurance companies are still trying to determine what their costs are, and what they should be charging for this new pool of insureds.

Frankly the ACA’s failings are a good argument for single payer but you’ll never see the right admit that. So, yes, it has flaws but you know what, we’re getting more people insured than we were in the past. The GOP and right seem to think the solution to ACA’s woes is get rid of ACA and return to what we had before ACA which would be a total failure.

155 ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2014 7:00:10am

re: #152 Vicious Piebola

I put them in the recycle bin.

Yay!!! Momma Earth says thank you and can she have another piece?!

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 7:00:30am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There are two discussions going on, and the TPGOP switch orientation depending on which policy they are promoting: first of all, there is the social component, their vaunted “dignity of hard work” argument, and bootstrapping and building a better life, etc.

But where is the dignity in a job that does not allow a person to feed and educate his kids to lead a better life? Or where he has to work multiple jobs to make ends meet and has no time to raise his family?

Suddenly the argument switches to labor as a purely economic component, one which will be “replaced by a machine” if it grows too expensive.

Corporations are people and people are office supplies.

Is Clippy still unemployed?

157 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 7:01:29am

Okay, went to the grocery store to pick up some baking supplies, among them vanilla. While I was putting them away I was relieved to note that my vanilla is gluten free and non-irradiated.

Just though I’d mention that before I have my first cup of gluten free, non-irradiated coffee.

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 7:02:43am

re: #157 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Okay, went to the grocery store to pick up some baking supplies, among them vanilla. While I was putting them away I was relieved to note that my vanilla is gluten free and non-irradiated.

Just though I’d mention that before I have my first cup of gluten free, non-irradiated coffee.

To go with your fat-free orange juice?

159 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 7:03:06am

I was curious how Rosetta is able to communicate over that long distance, here is a link to how it does it.

Radio communications between Rosetta and the ground will use a newly developed deep-space antenna which was built by ESA at New Norcia, near Perth in Western Australia. This 35-metre diameter parabolic antenna concentrates the energy of the radio signal in a narrow beam, allowing it to reach distances of more than 1000 million kilometres from Earth.

…

The spacecraft will be visible from the New Norcia antenna for an average of 12 hours per day. In addition, there will be several periods of communications black-out when the spacecraft passes behind the Sun.

To overcome these breaks in communication, Rosetta’s solid-state memory of 25 Gbits capacity is able to store all scientific data and then transmit them to Earth at the next opportunity.

160 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 7:03:55am

Remember, when all the cops, lawyers, and coroners have had their say—Stagger threw a seven.

161 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 7:04:40am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Frankly the ACA’s failings are a good argument for single payer but you’ll never see the right admit that. So, yes, it has flaws but you know what, we’re getting more people insured than we were in the past. The GOP and right seem to think the solution to ACA’s woes is get rid of ACA and return to what we had before ACA which would be a total failure.

Most of the people that object to ACA do so on the grounds that they don’t want the government to control their healthcare, which it doesn’t.

So selling them on Single Payer will be impossible.

162 ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2014 7:04:53am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Frankly the ACA’s failings are a good argument for single payer but you’ll never see the right admit that. So, yes, it has flaws but you know what, we’re getting more people insured than we were in the past. The GOP and right seem to think the solution to ACA’s woes is get rid of ACA and return to what we had before ACA which would be a total failure.

I think what will happen is they will change some features, fix some issues, call it the Republican Plan to Save Healthcare in America, claim Obamacare is dead and move on. Claiming Obamacare is dead and repealed is the big part of course, It will make everything all better for all the little RWNJ children…20 and up to 88!

163 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:07:00am

re: #161 Franklin

Most of the people that object to ACA do so on the grounds that they don’t want the government to control their healthcare, which it doesn’t.

So selling them on Single Payer will be impossible.

Right. I am saying though that the criticisms of ACA though (rising premiums etc) are an argument though for single payer. Their gripes about what is happening with ACA my point though is something that happened before ACA.

164 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 7:08:35am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Right. I am saying though that the criticisms of ACA though (rising premiums etc) are an argument though for single payer. Their gripes about what is happening with ACA my point though is something that happened before ACA.

Agreed.

165 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:09:12am
166 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:09:56am

re: #162 ObserverArt

I think what will happen is they will change some features, fix some issues, call it the Republican Plan to Save Healthcare in America, claim Obamacare is dead and move on. Claiming Obamacare is dead and repealed is the big part of course, It will make everything all better for all the little RWNJ children…20 and up to 88!

I really think for many in the GOP base that it’s not even what ACA does that bothers them, it’s the president who signed it into law. I mean look at Romney. He once called his plan in Massachusetts a model for the nation when he first ran for president. He as a 2012 candidate OTOH ran as a repeal candidate and was claiming that the Massachusetts plan was only a “state” plan. Obama thankfully did call him out on that directly I think during one of the debates. And of course, Obamacare’s grandfather was the Republican response to Clintoncare in the 90’s. But yeah I suspect you’re right. I think they’ll tweak some things to their likening and call it repealed and the base will rejoice.

167 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 7:11:07am

re: #159 Franklin

This 35-metre diameter parabolic antenna concentrates the energy of the radio signal in a narrow beam, allowing it to reach distances of more than 1000 million kilometres from Earth.

Fuck me: I can’t even get reliable cable internet two miles away from the head end.

168 ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2014 7:18:14am

re: #167 Higgs Boson’s Mate

This 35-metre diameter parabolic antenna concentrates the energy of the radio signal in a narrow beam, allowing it to reach distances of more than 1000 million kilometres from Earth.

Fuck me: I can’t even get reliable cable internet two miles away from the head end.

It all kind of shoots big holes in media delivery people squawking about Net Neutrality doesn’t it?

Later LGFers…gotta get rolling now that I am warmed up to the day.

169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 13, 2014 7:18:19am

re: #156 Feline Fearless Leader

Is Clippy still unemployed?

I think he lost his job with Microsoft.

170 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 7:18:22am

re: #165 Vicious Piebola

Back in the 1950s, coding software was considered women’s work — it’s “like planning dinner!”

If you can read the tiny text, that quote is from Grace Hopper. Makes me believe planning dinners is greatly under-rated. (My friend here has a ‘nanosecond’ given her by the admiral at a class.)

171 Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2014 7:19:51am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think he lost his job with Microsoft.

I saw him at WalMart as a greeter. He kept asking me if I needed any help finding things. Fucking annoying.

172 darthstar  Nov 13, 2014 7:21:54am
173 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:22:58am

re: #172 darthstar

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Yeah that’s not creepy at all. Perry was always pathetic but his turn to the hard right on immigration. Words don’t even describe how vile that is.

174 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 7:24:11am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s not creepy at all. Perry was always pathetic but his turn to the hard right on immigration. Words don’t even describe how vile that is.

“You’ll put your eye out, kid.”

175 darthstar  Nov 13, 2014 7:24:18am

Mornin’ everyone…drive by post as I get ready to go enjoy my day…on vacation with my wife and need to take her to the beach before she gets sucked into her work email.

Oh yeah, and the house we rented…has a fuckin’ hammock in the kitchen.

I like having a hammock in the kitchen. #SayulitaMexico
176 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:24:57am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

“You’ll put your eye out, kid.”

Heh yep.

177 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:29:05am

WTFITS I just can’t even
Gun-fucker word salad

178 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 7:31:18am

re: #172 darthstar

I’d very much like to know what two civilians are doing anywhere near a belt fed machine gun. I’d also be interested in knowing just whom that weapon belongs to. Belt fed machine guns are considered a crew-served weapon and as such can’t even be deployed domestically by the National Guard.

179 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:32:00am

re: #177 Vicious Piebola

WTFITS I just can’t even
Gun-fucker word salad

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Well of course tyranny to them is something like gay people existing and wanting equal rights in our society.

180 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:32:43am
181 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 7:33:22am

re: #177 Vicious Piebola

Yes, the gummit is scurred to death of a couple thousand RWNJs and their semi-automatic AR15s.

182 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 7:34:35am

re: #180 Vicious Piebola

re: #181 Dr. Matt

WOLVERINES!!!!

183 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 7:34:56am

re: #178 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’d very much like to know what two civilians are doing anywhere near a belt fed machine gun. I’d also be interested in knowing just whom that weapon belongs to. Belt fed machine guns are considered a crew-served weapon and as such can’t even be deployed domestically by the National Guard.

Five-boat flotilla was described as “federal law enforcement”. Probs Homeland Security/Border Patrol.

thepoliticalinsider.com

184 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:35:04am

*FLIPS DESK*

185 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:36:05am

re: #184 Vicious Piebola

*FLIPS DESK*

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I wouldn’t even waste your time on that one.

186 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 7:36:33am

re: #184 Vicious Piebola

Remind us again how the German Jews in the 1930s were so well-armed?

187 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:36:45am
188 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 7:36:49am

re: #178 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’d very much like to know what two civilians are doing anywhere near a belt fed machine gun. I’d also be interested in knowing just whom that weapon belongs to. Belt fed machine guns are considered a crew-served weapon and as such can’t even be deployed domestically by the National Guard.

FN MAG, not quite right for an M240 so I’d guess that it’s probably a civilian owned weapon under NFA Class III. Easy, if expensive, to procure if you’re willing to jump through all the hoops with BATFE and get one registered before 1985.

I will note that only two legally owned Class III weapons have been used in only 2 crimes since the NFA went into effect in 1934 so in many ways that mg is a poster child for effective gun control.

189 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 7:37:37am

re: #182 Franklin

WOLVERINES!!!!

But, but, but, we all stocked up on high capacity mags! Shirley, da gummit is scurred of dat!!!!

190 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:38:02am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

Remind us again how the German Jews in the 1930s were so well-armed?

The gun control laws were passed during the Weimar period to prevent people like the nazis from randomly shooting people they didn’t like. Once they came to power, they loosened the gun laws to give themselves guns but nobody else.

191 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:39:44am

Gun hoarding isn’t safe and it just makes you look like a paranoid freak.

192 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:40:12am
193 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:40:21am

Blocked now.

194 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 7:40:25am

re: #190 Vicious Piebola

The gun control laws were passed during the Weimar period to prevent people like the nazis from randomly shooting people they didn’t like. Once they came to power, they loosened the gun laws to give themselves guns but nobody else.

Yes, I know. The RWNJs are claiming German Jews were once armed, and then disarmed by the Nazis. When were the German Jews such a “well armed militia” in the first place?

195 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 7:40:54am

Whoa. It’s falling apart for real now.

196 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:40:58am

I almost feel bad for the gunfuckers because they always buy that the LIBERALS ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS and yet time and time again, they end up with actually more guns than before. If they want to waste their money on guns? Go for it but don’t complain to me about “big government” taking away your hard earned money when you’re hoarding for an imaginary tyranny.

197 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:41:53am

Alinsky hahahahaha.
Excuse me but hahahhaah.

198 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 7:42:01am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Gun hoarding isn’t safe and it just makes you look like a paranoid freak.

I agree. I have relatives that are gun humping hoarders. Strangely enough, they are life-long pro-UAW retirees and yet listen to/worship Rushbo on a daily basis.

199 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 7:42:17am

Oops, wrong tweet, here’s what I meant to post:

200 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 7:42:43am

re: #187 Vicious Piebola

Hmm, I think I get it; if only they’d had some guns in Poland, Belgium, France and the Netherlands then Germany wouldn’t have conquered those nations either.

201 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 7:43:36am

re: #195 Charles Johnson

LOL - sure you do, babycakes. RT @ChuckCJohnson I have a lot more video to

come out on Loretta Lynch that will sink her nomination.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 12, 2014

Please proceed. If the GOP/RWNJ “sink” Loretta Lynch’s nomination, Eric Holder said he’ll retain the position.

202 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:43:43am

re: #194 Dr. Matt

Yes, I know. The RWNJs are claiming German Jews were once armed, and then disarmed by the Nazis. When were the German Jews such a “well armed militia” in the first place?

Well the other thing is, they bring up Germany’s gun laws which as gotten at were established in the Weimar era during an age of much political violence and then liberalized by the Nazis for the Nazis only. There’s also that the vast majority of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust weren’t German and subject to those laws. What the Nazis relied on was generations of hatred to the Jews that was heavily influenced by religion but do RWNJs admit that? God no but they’re happy to blame gun control laws.

203 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:43:56am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

I almost feel bad for the gunfuckers because they always buy that the LIBERALS ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS and yet time and time again, they end up with actually more guns than before. If they want to waste their money on guns? Go for it but don’t complain to me about “big government” taking away your hard earned money when you’re hoarding for an imaginary tyranny.

And they complain that HURR HURR TEH GUBMIT IS KEEPING ALL TEH AMMOS!!!1!!! when in fact their hoarding panics is creating a shortage.

204 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:45:12am

re: #200 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Hmm, I think I get it; if only they’d had some guns in Poland, Belgium, France and the Netherlands then Germany wouldn’t have conquered those nations either.

Yeah, it’s too bad that only the USSR had guns.

205 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:45:14am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Well the other thing is, they bring up Germany’s gun laws which as gotten at were established in the Weimar era during an age of much political violence and then liberalized by the Nazis for the Nazis only. There’s also that the vast majority of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust weren’t German and subject to those laws. What the Nazis relied on was generations of hatred to the Jews that was heavily influenced by religion but do RWNJs admit that? God no but they’re happy to blame gun control laws.

What I did was send Squeaky Fromm a link describing how armed uprisings were ruthlessly crushed. Then she said the magic word HURR HURR YOUR TALKING POINTS IS ALINSKY!!!!!!

206 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 7:45:26am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

You mean the journalism-changing media darlings at The Intercept (First Look) are finding that journalism is hard if you’re into hagiography and running opinion-based stories that are loosely grounded in reality?

This is my shocked face.

207 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:46:57am

re: #198 Dr. Matt

I agree. I have relatives that are gun humping hoarders. Strangely enough, they are life-long pro-UAW retirees and yet listen to/worship Rushbo on a daily basis.

It’s sad really. I mean I get why people own guns but I swear these people who use the election of anyone they don’t like as an excuse to hoard more guns are just sad to me. They’ve been told for years now that Democratic presidents will take their guns yet I imagine your relatives probably have more guns now than they did in 2009 and don’t see the irony in that.

208 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 7:47:31am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

Oops, wrong tweet, here’s what I meant to post:

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It’s ok, it worked for CCJ’s tweet as well. He is falling apart too.

209 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:47:49am

re: #205 Vicious Piebola

What I did was send Squeaky Fromm a link describing how armed uprisings were ruthlessly crushed. Then she said the magic word HURR HURR YOUR TALKING POINTS IS ALINSKY!!!!!!

When in doubt bring up a guy who has been dead for over 40 years and has little influence on modern liberal thought. Shrug. Good job though dealing with the idiot.

210 Mattand  Nov 13, 2014 7:48:24am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Another RWNJ former pro-jock pretends to be a scientist: Curt Schilling Has Disproved Evolution

Looks like he’s searching for something else to spectacularly fuck up at, since he conquered failing at making video games,

211 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 7:48:49am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it’s too bad that only the USSR had guns.

Entire armies fell to the Nazis. Countries fell. Countries that even had more modern arms than the Nazis did (tactics do count for something).

Millions of men under arms fought against the Nazis - and lost. That includes armies in the Soviet Union, which saw its forces pushed back to the walls of Moscow, saw major cities besieged for years, and it took a thorough rebuilding of the warfighting capabilities deep in Soviet territory and raising entirely new armies to defeat the Nazis - it took some of the largest tank battles in history, along with thousands of aircraft to beat back the Nazis.

And I’m pretty sure (100% sure, in fact) that the Jews in Germany didn’t have tanks, let alone aircraft, to stop the Nazis and their Final Solution. But let’s also remember than most of the Jews killed in the Holocaust didn’t even live in Germany. They were in territories that the Nazis captured as they invaded Eastern and Western Europe.

212 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:50:12am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

When in doubt bring up a guy who has been dead for over 40 years and has little influence on modern liberal thought. Shrug. Good job though dealing with the idiot.

There are more right-wingers who hang on to every word of Alinsky than there are liberals who even ever heard of him.

213 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:51:11am

re: #211 lawhawk

Entire armies fell to the Nazis. Countries fell. Countries that even had more modern arms than the Nazis did (tactics do count for something).

Millions of men under arms fought against the Nazis - and lost. That includes armies in the Soviet Union, which saw its forces pushed back to the walls of Moscow, saw major cities besieged for years, and it took a thorough rebuilding of the warfighting capabilities deep in Soviet territory and raising entirely new armies to defeat the Nazis - it took some of the largest tank battles in history, along with thousands of aircraft to beat back the Nazis.

And I’m pretty sure (100% sure, in fact) that the Jews in Germany didn’t have tanks, let alone aircraft, to stop the Nazis and their Final Solution. But let’s also remember than most of the Jews killed in the Holocaust didn’t even live in Germany. They were in territories that the Nazis captured as they invaded Eastern and Western Europe.

Right. Said it better than I have so far. If modern armies with professional arms and training couldn’t stop the Nazi invasion, we’re supposed to believe that Jewish civilians with for the most part little training in arms would have held the Nazis off? That’s a fucking joke and the gunfuckers know it. But it’s how RWNJs, it’s their vain attempt to make themselves into victims as always.

214 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 7:51:57am

re: #206 lawhawk

You mean the journalism-changing media darlings at The Intercept (First Look) are finding that journalism is hard if you’re into hagiography and running opinion-based stories that are loosely grounded in reality?

This is my shocked face.

That’s why chuckster is going to succeed: his new journalistic model eschews reality entirely. “All the delusion that’s fit to tweet!”

215 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:52:41am

re: #212 Vicious Piebola

There are more right-wingers who hang on to every word of Alinsky than there are liberals who even ever heard of him.

Ain’t that the truth. I only know the guy because of the right wing obsession with the idea that liberals have Rules For Radicals memorized. I would have no idea who he was otherwise and I suspect that is true for many here. And frankly from what I know of him, I’m glad he was on our side. I’ll take someone who stood up for civil rights over their heroes who actually did oppose it.

216 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 7:53:11am
217 bill d  Nov 13, 2014 7:54:03am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

Oops, wrong tweet, here’s what I meant to post:

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The one guy trying to hold The Intercept together and get the writers to write is bailing out?

Wowser!

218 bill d  Nov 13, 2014 7:55:10am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

Oops, wrong tweet, here’s what I meant to post:

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Zookeeper leaves zoo, opens all cages on way out…

Good luck Pierre!

219 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 7:56:31am

re: #217 bill d

I laugh at their superior intellect. /

220 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:00:59am

WTFITS

221 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 8:03:25am

re: #212 Vicious Piebola

There are more right-wingers who hang on to every word of Alinsky than there are liberals who even ever heard of him.

I was at Berkeley in the Sixties. We never heard of Alinsky because his book, Rules for Radicals, wasn’t published until 1971. By then the various local movements had largely degenerated into a welter of infighting and petty power struggles.

The concept of communities organizing to assert their rights goes back at least to the Roman empire. Alinsky’s name is, in the RW, just another meaningless shorthand for things they don’t like.

222 bill d  Nov 13, 2014 8:05:57am

heh:

223 BigPapa  Nov 13, 2014 8:07:34am

re: #221 Higgs Boson’s Mate

What’s really ironic is the morons who’ve made Alinsky a target are they themselves adhering to the Rules for Radicals.

224 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 8:07:36am

re: #221 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I was at Berkeley in the Sixties. We never heard of Alinsky because his book, Rules for Radicals, wasn’t published until 1971. By then the various local movements had largely degenerated into a welter of infighting and petty power struggles.

The concept of communities organizing to assert their rights goes back at least to the Roman empire. Alinsky’s name is, in the RW, just another meaningless shorthand for things they don’t like.

Nailed it. It is funny to be accused of Alinsky tactics though.

225 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 13, 2014 8:07:38am

er:
#221

We never heard of Alinsky because his book, Rules for Radicals, wasn’t published until 1971.

That’s how devious he and his rules are. They were published before they were published. //

226 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 8:08:02am

re: #223 BigPapa

What’s really ironic is the morons who’ve made Alinsky a target are they themselves adhering to the Rules for Radicals.

Didn’t Breitbart or O’Keefe claim to draw inspiration from RfR?

227 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 8:09:03am

It’s snowing and still colder than a well diggers butt. The camera is about 2 miles from my home.

228 BigPapa  Nov 13, 2014 8:10:30am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Breitbart or O’Keefe claim to draw inspiration from RfR?

Dick Armey reportedly recommended people read it.

229 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 8:10:48am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

I may have gotten my Intercept editors confused, as so many have left, but if my memory serves, I predicted as soon as Cook was hired that he would leave once he discovered what an undisciplined, egoistic writing staff he had.

Or I may be thinking of someone else who has since jumped ship.

230 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:11:02am

This week’s pie has been chosen. The winner: KEY LIME!

I know it may seem lame baking the same pies over and over instead of trying different recipes but I like to make my favorites.

231 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 8:11:14am

re: #228 BigPapa

Dick Armey reportedly recommended people read it.

that’s right. It was Armey.

232 Lidane  Nov 13, 2014 8:14:31am

You know discussion is impossible with someone when they send you a link to a Geert Wilders video on YouTube.

Thankfully it’s just a random moron on teh intertubez. If it was someone I knew personally I’d be disappointed.

233 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 8:14:36am

Dick Armey

Youtube Video

234 bill d  Nov 13, 2014 8:15:05am

Wonder where Greenwald will wind up? I can’t imagine him being able to work for others again?

235 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 8:15:18am

re: #233 Franklin

Dick Armey

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Video

Yeah Peter’s reaction was my reaction when I heard he called Barney Frank-Barney Fag. It’s like dude- self aware much?

236 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 8:15:33am

re: #230 Vicious Piebola

This week’s pie has been chosen. The winner: KEY LIME!

I know it may seem lame baking the same pies over and over instead of trying different recipes but I like to make my favorites.

I do repeats of some recipes in order to tweak the ingredients until they’re just right. Then I repeat them because they often become family favorites.

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:16:54am

re: #221 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I was at Berkeley in the Sixties. We never heard of Alinsky because his book, Rules for Radicals, wasn’t published until 1971. By then the various local movements had largely degenerated into a welter of infighting and petty power struggles.

The concept of communities organizing to assert their rights goes back at least to the Roman empire. Alinsky’s name is, in the RW, just another meaningless shorthand for things they don’t like.

I remember reading his book in high school in the early 80’s. It was cool to me then…

238 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:18:20am

re: #230 Vicious Piebola

This week’s pie has been chosen. The winner: KEY LIME!

I know it may seem lame baking the same pies over and over instead of trying different recipes but I like to make my favorites.

That’s the best way to bake - mostly favorites with an occasional experiment to find new favorites.

Ah, I do wish you were nearer to where I lived. I’d happily pay for one of your pies. Do you ever do apple?

239 Franklin  Nov 13, 2014 8:18:29am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Yeah Peter’s reaction was my reaction when I heard he called Barney Frank-Barney Fag. It’s like dude- self aware much?

Yeah, what a dick.

240 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:20:26am

re: #238 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s the best way to bake - mostly favorites with an occasional experiment to find new favorites.

Ah, I do wish you were nearer to where I lived. I’d happily pay for one of your pies. Do you ever do apple?

I did apple twice last month.

241 Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 13, 2014 8:20:43am

re: #157 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Okay, went to the grocery store to pick up some baking supplies, among them vanilla. While I was putting them away I was relieved to note that my vanilla is gluten free and non-irradiated.

At my first Grateful Dead show, thousands of people were wearing bright orange stickers that read “IRRADIATED MEAT PRODUCT.” The stickers were everywhere.

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:22:01am

re: #240 Vicious Piebola

I did apple twice last month.

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Wonder how much fedex would charge…

Ah, well, you have a very fortunate family for your well blessed sabbath meals.

243 Randall Gross  Nov 13, 2014 8:23:40am

re: #240 Vicious Piebola

Ok what is that in the middle of the pie?

244 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 8:25:16am

re: #240 Vicious Piebola

My pies now come out good, but they’re not pretty. Got to work on my presentation skills next.

245 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 8:25:38am

re: #243 Randall Gross

Ok what is that in the middle of the pie?

Pie Bird

246 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 13, 2014 8:26:53am

This just popped up on my FB timeline….

StuffingMuffins w/ Mashed Potatoes

StuffinMuffins

I may have to do something like that….

RBS

247 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 8:27:44am

re: #245 Bubblehead II

Pie Bird

Learn something new every day here. Thank you!

248 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:28:07am

re: #245 Bubblehead II

Pie Bird

Oh, now that is cool. I looked right past that in her photos but reading about that tells me I need one for my feeble pie attempts.

249 Randall Gross  Nov 13, 2014 8:28:21am

re: #245 Bubblehead II

Pie Bird

You can tell I don’t bake…

250 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:28:41am

re: #246 RealityBasedEbola

This just popped up on my FB timeline….

StuffingMuffins w/ Mashed Potatoes

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I may have to do something like that….

RBS

That’s so cute!

I’ve made potato kugel using muffin pans.

251 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 8:31:48am

re: #247 Higgs Boson’s Mate

re: #248 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #249 Randall Gross

I only knew what it was because my Grandmother used them when she baked. My mother inherited them and they will go to my Sisters in due course. Since I don’t bake, I am out of the running.

252 Randall Gross  Nov 13, 2014 8:31:58am

re: #246 RealityBasedEbola

This just popped up on my FB timeline….

StuffingMuffins w/ Mashed Potatoes

[Embedded content]

I may have to do something like that….

RBS

Hrmm…. bacon meatloaf muffins with mashed potato icing…

253 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 13, 2014 8:33:10am

Here’s a link, it’s for a gluten free vegan Thanksgiving dinner, but you could use any stuffing you prefer. Bake at 375 for about 20 minutes, so perfect while the Turkey is resting.

RBS

254 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:33:42am

*FLIPS DESK*

255 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 13, 2014 8:34:51am

re: #252 Randall Gross

Hrmm…. bacon meatloaf muffins with mashed potato icing…

DAMN!!!! I may just have to try that out this weekend. I might drill some small holes in the bottom of the muffin tins, cook them on a rack, so excess fat could drain out.

Awesome idea.

RBS

256 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:36:48am

re: #251 Bubblehead II

I only knew what it was because my Grandmother used them when she baked. My mother inherited them and they will go to my Sisters in due course. Since I don’t bake, I am out of the running.

Still time to learn … ;)

257 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 8:36:48am

re: #246 RealityBasedEbola

This just popped up on my FB timeline….

StuffingMuffins w/ Mashed Potatoes

[Embedded content]

I may have to do something like that….

RBS

Here’s something to get you started.

258 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 8:36:49am

Weird.

259 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 8:39:14am

re: #253 RealityBasedEbola

Here’s a link, it’s for a gluten free vegan Thanksgiving dinner, but you could use any stuffing you prefer. Bake at 375 for about 20 minutes, so perfect while the Turkey is resting.

RBS

That sounds so utterly joyless that I’m not even gonna click. //

260 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 8:40:02am

Need some help. I’d like to bake some one-handed mini pumpkin pies for Thanksgiving. I want them to have a single crust and to be about the size of a commercial single-serving meat pie. I would very much appreciate help with locating pans, recipes, etc.

261 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:40:29am

Some people are so freaking stupid they’re not even worth the trouble of blocking, much less replying to. Of course they may get blocked eventually if they fill up my timeline with derp.

262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2014 8:40:36am

Have to wait for the new Senate to be seated in January before considering Loretta Lynch’s nomination, but new Senate Majority Leader? Full Steam Ahead!
Mitch McConnell Chosen to be Senate Majority Leader

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has been chosen by fellow Republicans to become Senate majority leader when the new Congress convenes in January.

A Senate GOP official says McConnell was elected by acclamation today at a closed-door meeting of the rank and file.

263 Lidane  Nov 13, 2014 8:40:38am

re: #212 Vicious Piebola

There are more right-wingers who hang on to every word of Alinsky than there are liberals who even ever heard of him.

Ain’t that the damned truth. I’d never even heard of Saul Alinsky until the 2008 election had the RWNJs bleating about him endlessly.

At the end of the day all these RWNJ culture warriors are still fighting the Vietnam war. Every liberal is a dirty commie hippie Alinskyite or what the fuck ever when most of us had never even heard of the guy until just a few years ago.

264 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 13, 2014 8:40:47am

re: #257 Bubblehead II

Here’s something to get you started.

my own stuffing recipe is heavy on apples and onions, along with sausage, bread crumbs (white, not corn), spice, veggies and enough liquid and egg to hold it all together. It’s come together over the years, by taking whatever I like best in dressing, and making something I love.

RBS

265 Lidane  Nov 13, 2014 8:41:30am

re: #246 RealityBasedEbola

This just popped up on my FB timeline….

StuffingMuffins w/ Mashed Potatoes

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I may have to do something like that….

RBS

OMNOMNOM. That looks amazing. I want the recipe.

266 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 8:41:39am

re: #256 William Barnett-Lewis

Still time to learn … ;)

True. But then again I am finding it hard enough these days to find time for scratch cooking let alone learning how to bake.

267 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 13, 2014 8:42:04am

re:
#254

Comparing Zimmerman who shot Trayvon or a cop who shot Brown to a Pres allowing criminal aliens back onto US st’s..whatever

But I guess the “criminal aliens” didn’t vote last week so that whole effort went for naught.

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268 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:42:29am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Need some help. I’d like to bake some one-handed mini pumpkin pies for Thanksgiving. I want them to have a single crust and to be about the size of a commercial single-serving meat pie. I would very much appreciate help with locating pans, recipes, etc.

You can buy disposable aluminum tart pans at any store like Walmart, Meijer, Kroger.

269 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 13, 2014 8:42:36am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Need some help. I’d like to bake some one-handed mini pumpkin pies for Thanksgiving. I want them to have a single crust and to be about the size of a commercial single-serving meat pie. I would very much appreciate help with locating pans, recipes, etc.

This sounds good, and easy…. tasteofhome.com

RBS

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2014 8:43:03am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Need some help. I’d like to bake some one-handed mini pumpkin pies for Thanksgiving. I want them to have a single crust and to be about the size of a commercial single-serving meat pie. I would very much appreciate help with locating pans, recipes, etc.

mini pie pans at Amazon

271 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:43:50am

re: #258 CuriousLurker

Weird.

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That does make you wonder what the longer term intent of that politician is.

272 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 13, 2014 8:44:47am

re: #265 Lidane

OMNOMNOM. That looks amazing. I want the recipe.

it’s for a vegan gluten free Thanksgiving, but modify as desired. It’s pretty much
1. Make your favorite Dressing
2. Put in muffin tins
3. Bake 375 for 15 -20 minutes (until edges start to brown up)
4. Top with ‘taters

thecolorfulkitchen.com

273 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 8:45:02am

Bacon-Blanketed Turkey, aka Heaven

Bacon-Blanketed Turkey, aka #Heaven
274 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2014 8:46:41am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it’s too bad that only the USSR had guns.

Joe had them hidden in the ‘stache.
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275 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 8:46:42am

re: #268 Vicious Piebola

re: #269 RealityBasedEbola

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you all! Time to go shopping for a trial run.

276 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 8:46:47am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

amazon.com (you could probably also find little disposable pot pie sized pans at you local grocery store)

youtube.com

277 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 8:47:55am

re: #259 CuriousLurker

That sounds so utterly joyless that I’m not even gonna click. //

We do a vegan-free Thanksgiving dinner.

278 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 8:48:16am

re: #271 William Barnett-Lewis

That does make you wonder what the longer term intent of that politician is.

Exactly.

279 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:49:25am

re: #273 Dr. Matt

Bacon-Blanketed Turkey, aka Heaven

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Heh. I realized a long time ago that giving up bacon is the one thing that would make converting to Judaism almost impossible for me. I could learn to do everything else and not even have any problem with the rest of the Kashrut teachings - but giving up pork & especially bacon? Now that would be the hardest test for me. It would be a temptation to sin for the rest of my life.

280 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 8:49:30am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Need some help. I’d like to bake some one-handed mini pumpkin pies for Thanksgiving. I want them to have a single crust and to be about the size of a commercial single-serving meat pie. I would very much appreciate help with locating pans, recipes, etc.

Guess you could start here and use these.

281 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:52:17am
282 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 8:52:35am

re: #279 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. I realized a long time ago that giving up bacon is the one thing that would make converting to Judaism almost impossible for me. I could learn to do everything else and not even have any problem with the rest of the Kashrut teachings - but giving up pork & especially bacon? Now that would be the hardest test for me. It would be a temptation to sin for the rest of my life.

You’d be surprised how quickly you learn to live without it. There’s some very good halal beef bacon & beef pepperoni out there, so I’m guessing there are probably kosher versions too. The part about no meat + diary would be a big problem for me though.

283 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:52:57am

“Daily journalistic output”? What was that, like 0.12 of an article a day?

284 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:53:26am

re: #282 CuriousLurker

You’d be surprised how quickly you learn to live without it. There’s some very good halal beef bacon & beef pepperoni out there, so I’m guessing there are probably kosher versions too. The part about no meat + diary would be a big problem for me though.

I would have a hard time becoming a vegan.

285 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 8:53:47am

re: #282 CuriousLurker

You’d be surprised how quickly you learn to live without it. There’s some very good halal beef bacon & beef pepperoni out there, so I’m guessing there are probably kosher versions too. The part about no meat + diary would be a big problem for me though.

Isn’t halal ersatz bacon sort of “lusting in your heart”?

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2014 8:54:42am

re: #283 Vicious Piebola

“Daily journalistic output”? What was that, like 0.12 of an article a day?

Triple the output of nothing is easy-peasy!

287 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:54:44am

Actually kosher “bakon” which is smoked turkey strips, is a pretty good (and low-fat) bacon substitute

288 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 8:54:49am

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Isn’t halal ersatz bacon sort of “lusting in your heart”?

LOL, prolly.

289 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 8:55:57am

Some people use the “Baco’s bits” as a vegan substitute but I never liked those.

290 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 8:56:23am

re: #282 CuriousLurker

You’d be surprised how quickly you learn to live without it. There’s some very good halal beef bacon & beef pepperoni out there, so I’m guessing there are probably kosher versions too. The part about no meat + diary would be a big problem for me though.

My parents used to get beef bacon prepared from our cattle so, yeah, you have a good point there. I’ve never been much for overt dairy/meat (not a big cheeseburger fan) and I’d always figured learning the subtle aspects would be no more difficult than the rest of the new teachings.

291 Skip Intro  Nov 13, 2014 8:56:50am

Here’s your laugh of the day, courtesy of the Republicans who up until this week had no idea what net neutrality was.

The “plain language” Republicans pointed to “makes it US policy to ‘preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet… unfettered by Federal or State regulation.’”

arstechnica.com

Just like that “free and vibrant and competitive free market the used to exist in the health insurance industry before the ACA”.

Still people vote for these assholes, and even worse, even more people don’t even bother to vote at all.

292 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 9:02:01am

re: #290 William Barnett-Lewis

My parents used to get beef bacon prepared from our cattle so, yeah, you have a good point there. I’ve never been much for overt dairy/meat (not a big cheeseburger fan) and I’d always figured learning the subtle aspects would be no more difficult than the rest of the new teachings.

There was a McDonald’s in Tel Aviv that let you buy a hamburger, then walk out the door and in their other door if you wanted a milkshake. It reminded me of the Mississippi restaurants that let you sit at table, but only get your beer by walking to their ‘other’ establishment and back.

293 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 9:03:57am

re: #292 Decatur Deb

There was a McDonald’s in Tel Aviv that let you buy a hamburger, then walk out the door and in their other door if you wanted a milkshake. It reminded me of the Mississippi restaurants that let you sit at table, but only get your beer by walking to their ‘other’ establishment and back.

Interesting. Could you get a milkshake with, say, a fish sandwich in the first store? Or did they prevent accidents by only selling milkshakes at the other place?

294 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 9:04:14am

re: #290 William Barnett-Lewis

My parents used to get beef bacon prepared from our cattle so, yeah, you have a good point there. I’ve never been much for overt dairy/meat (not a big cheeseburger fan) and I’d always figured learning the subtle aspects would be no more difficult than the rest of the new teachings.

I’m a huge fan of Italian food with meat & pasta smothered in sauces and cheese—lasagne, manicotti, mmmm… Burgers without cheese? No way, Jose. Cheese on nachos, on chili & beans, on chili dogs, you name it.

295 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:04:15am

re: #291 Skip Intro

Here’s your laugh of the day, courtesy of the Republicans who up until this week had no idea what net neutrality was.

The “plain language” Republicans pointed to “makes it US policy to ‘preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet… unfettered by Federal or State regulation.’”

arstechnica.com

Just like that “free and vibrant and competitive free market the used to exist in the health insurance industry before the ACA”.

Still people vote for these assholes, and even worse, even more people don’t even bother to vote at all.

Well that’s an “improvement” over Rush who seemed to think NN involved political viewpoints being presented online.

296 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 9:06:03am

re: #293 William Barnett-Lewis

Interesting. Could you get a milkshake with, say, a fish sandwich in the first store? Or did they prevent accidents by only selling milkshakes at the other place?

My money’s on it would have to be kept separate to prevent accidents. Kosher is really strict (even compared to halal).

297 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:06:20am

Mary Landreiu, using the Keystone pipeline to get votes, has got to be one of the most blatant sell outs by a Dem in this century.

I predict she’ll lose, and lose big, in the runoff.

It’s a wonder she hasn’t turned R by now, considering some of her past positions anyway.

298 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 9:07:46am

re: #296 CuriousLurker

My money’s on it would have to be kept separate to prevent accidents. Kosher is really strict (even compared to halal).

That would be correct.

299 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:08:36am

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

Mary Landreiu, using the Keystone pipeline to get votes, has got to be one of the most blatant sell outs by a Dem in this century.

I predict she’ll lose, and lose big, in the runoff.

It’s a wonder she hasn’t turned R by now, considering some of her past positions anyway.

I actually think the most pathetic was Pryor coming out against the minimum wage hike that ended up being quite popular in his state. But yeah Landrieu’s pretty lame and I expect she will lose big in the run off.

300 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 9:08:51am

re: #296 CuriousLurker

My money’s on it would have to be kept separate to prevent accidents. Kosher is really strict (even compared to halal).

My expectation as well. It’s simpler too.

301 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:10:07am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I actually think the most pathetic was Pryor coming out against the minimum wage hike that ended up being quite popular in his state. But yeah Landrieu’s pretty lame and I expect she will lose big in the run off.

Yeah, these “DINOs” really are pathetic. Seems they’ll sell out in a heartbeat if they think it’ll help their political career.

302 withak  Nov 13, 2014 9:10:48am

Baconnaise is awesome. Not sure of its kosher-ness or halal-ness, but it is vegetarian.

303 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:11:54am

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, these “DINOs” really are pathetic. Seems they’ll sell out in a heartbeat if they think it’ll help their political career.

I mean I understand that for a political party to function, you have to have a fairly big tent but I just don’t understand Dems like Landrieu and Pryor who don’t seem to go against the president and party position out of genuine principle but rather political fear. As I said, the minimum hike Pryor opposed was in fact popular in his own state.

304 leftynyc  Nov 13, 2014 9:12:17am

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

Mary Landreiu, using the Keystone pipeline to get votes, has got to be one of the most blatant sell outs by a Dem in this century.

I predict she’ll lose, and lose big, in the runoff.

It’s a wonder she hasn’t turned R by now, considering some of her past positions anyway.

Aside from it being environmentally a mistake, how it’s an economic mistake also:

finance.yahoo.com

305 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 9:14:10am

re: #302 withak

Baconnaise is awesome. Not sure of its kosher-ness or halal-ness, but it is vegetarian.

If it’s vegetarian then it passes the halal test. I’ve heard about it, but never got up the nerve to try it.

306 CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2014 9:15:10am

Okay, time for me to get back to work

BTW, if anyone is interested in African & African American art, there’s a really interesting collection on exhibit at the Smithsonian National Museum of African Art in Washington, D.C. It started on November 9 and runs through January 24, 2016. The museum is open every day of the year from 10:00 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. except for Christmas day, and admission is free.

Conversations: African and African American Artworks in Dialogue

307 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:16:01am

Oh speaking of food. Wanted to thank the Lizards who recommended me curry ketchup. Found some at Harris Teeter a couple weeks back and my Dad, brother, and myself are now definite fans. Goes good on burgers I must say.

308 calochortus  Nov 13, 2014 9:17:41am

re: #304 leftynyc

Aside from it being environmentally a mistake, how it’s an economic mistake also:

finance.yahoo.com

I think I posted my prediction about that last week. Tar sands cost a lot to turn into oil products because they are certainly hydrocarbons, but they are not oil.

309 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:20:09am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

I mean I understand that for a political party to function, you have to have a fairly big tent but I just don’t understand Dems like Landrieu and Pryor who don’t seem to go against the president and party position out of genuine principle but rather political fear. As I said, the minimum hike Pryor opposed was in fact popular in his own state.

Well, right. There’s nothing “principled” about something that is environmentally a disaster (and doesn’t provide that many permanent jobs), and denying an increase in the min wage in this obviously skewed economy of both rising prices and disparity in wealth.

310 Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2014 9:20:19am

re: #246 RealityBasedEbola

This just popped up on my FB timeline….

StuffingMuffins w/ Mashed Potatoes

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I may have to do something like that….

RBS

That does look strangely good.

311 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:20:55am

re: #309 Justanotherhuman

Well, right. There’s nothing “principled” about something that is environmentally a disaster (and doesn’t provide that many permanent jobs), and denying an increase in the min wage in this obviously skewed economy of both rising prices and disparity in wealth.

Right. Fucking hacks.

312 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 9:21:37am

re: #296 CuriousLurker

My money’s on it would have to be kept separate to prevent accidents. Kosher is really strict (even compared to halal).

re: #300 William Barnett-Lewis

My expectation as well. It’s simpler too.

re: #298 Vicious Piebola

That would be correct.

This was in Tel Aviv—Sin City. I’m remembering it as just being observant enough to keep the bulk of their customers. They would have been much more strict in Jerusalem.

(McD’s had their own dietary strictness. Their opening was delayed for some months by a dispute with the rabbis over McD plans to import their milspec Frenchfries from Idaho. Before they opened, Israel was served by McDavid’s, a knockoff.)

313 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:24:02am

Russia (and Putin) are just itching for attention.

Dutch F-16 fighter jets flying a NATO mission intercepted a Russian aircraft that entered the airspace of Estonia and Lithuania Wednesday, Dutch Defense Ministry says; Aircraft was escorted out of the area - @BloombergNews
read more on bloomberg.com

314 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 9:24:30am

re: #309 Justanotherhuman

Well, right. There’s nothing “principled” about something that is environmentally a disaster (and doesn’t provide that many permanent jobs), and denying an increase in the min wage in this obviously skewed economy of both rising prices and disparity in wealth.

Then there’s the dead certainty that once Keystone passes the Republicans will claim credit for every uptick in the jobs numbers for the foreseeable future - no matter where, when, or why the jobs are created.

315 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 9:25:19am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

This was in Tel Aviv—Sin City. I’m remembering it as just being observant enough to keep the bulk of their customers. They would have been much more strict in Jerusalem.

(McD’s had their own dietary strictness. Their opening was delayed for some months by a dispute with the rabbis over McD plans to import their milspec Frenchfries from Idaho. Before they opened, Israel was served by McDavid’s, a knockoff.)

McD’s opened in Jerusalem they said “fuck this” and decided to forego the kashrut openly serve cheeseburgers. When people complained they said “We have to give our customers what they’re used to.”

There is kosher Burger King and Kosher KFC in Jerusalem but personally I like Moshiko’s Falafel.

316 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:28:55am

re: #314 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Then there’s the dead certainty that once Keystone passes the Republicans will claim credit for every uptick in the jobs numbers for the foreseeable future - no matter where, when, or why the jobs are created.

Even if Pres Obama vetoes a passed Keystone bill, do you think there are enough votes to overturn? He’s already said that there is more oil being produced in the US—so why do we have to do a Keystone?

The energy greed-heads probably are working on that right now, even though Keystone will basically be a Canadian product once the construction is over, although American companies have a stake in its success.

And we know that as far as Rs go, business gets everything it wants.

317 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 9:31:25am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

(McD’s had their own dietary strictness. Their opening was delayed for some months by a dispute with the rabbis over McD plans to import their milspec Frenchfries from Idaho. Before they opened, Israel was served by McDavid’s, a knockoff.)

I vaguely remember the McDavid’s thing but I wonder what the problem with the McD’s standard fries would be? To my knowledge, they shouldn’t have had any problems.

318 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:32:02am

re: #315 Vicious Piebola

McD’s opened in Jerusalem they said “fuck this” and decided to forego the kashrut openly serve cheeseburgers. When people complained they said “We have to give our customers what they’re used to.”

There is kosher Burger King and Kosher KFC in Jerusalem but personally I like Moshiko’s Falafel.

Had my first falafel (vegetarian) in NYC from a street vendor in the early 70s. With cucumber sauce. Haven’t been able to find it anywhere else I’ve been and could never duplicate it.

It was yum yum.

319 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:34:03am

Woohoo! You go, Mr. President!

President Obama to announce broad overhaul of immigration enforcement system that will protect up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from the threat of deportation - @nytimes
read more on nytimes.com

320 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 9:34:52am

re: #315 Vicious Piebola

personally I like Moshiko’s Falafel.

If I ever make it there, I will patronize them simply on this recommendation.

321 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:35:11am

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

Woohoo! You go, Mr. President!

President Obama to announce broad overhaul of immigration enforcement system that will protect up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from the threat of deportation - @nytimes
read more on nytimes.com

Good stuff. Just wish he had did this before the election. But this is still great news. Let the fucking assholes flip out over this, I don’t give two shits.

322 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:37:11am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Good stuff. Just wish he had did this before the election. But this is still great news. Let the fucking assholes flip out over this, I don’t give two shits.

They’re going to work on shutting the govt down, doncha know.

“A group of Republicans — led by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, Senator Mike Lee of Utah and Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama — is already planning to thwart any executive action by the president on immigration. The senators are hoping to rally their fellow Republicans to oppose efforts to pass a budget next month unless it explicitly prohibits the president from enacting what they call “executive amnesty” for people in the country illegally.”

323 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:37:17am

What makes falafel so wonderful is that it’s filling yet healthy and there’s a lot of different toppings you can put on it. I always get a wheat pita when I go to my favorite place. Only place I’ve ever been to in the US that actually takes Euros.

324 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 9:37:18am

re: #315 Vicious Piebola

McD’s opened in Jerusalem they said “fuck this” and decided to forego the kashrut openly serve cheeseburgers. When people complained they said “We have to give our customers what they’re used to.”

There is kosher Burger King and Kosher KFC in Jerusalem but personally I like Moshiko’s Falafel.

We had Burger King in Ra’anana, and an older take-off called Burger Ranch.

325 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:38:26am

re: #322 Justanotherhuman

They’re going to work on shutting the govt down, doncha know.

“A group of Republicans — led by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, Senator Mike Lee of Utah and Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama — is already planning to thwart any executive action by the president on immigration. The senators are hoping to rally their fellow Republicans to oppose efforts to pass a budget next month unless it explicitly prohibits the president from enacting what they call “executive amnesty” for people in the country illegally.”

Yeah that’s to be expected. Really let them shut down the government over this. Let the American people be exposed to yet another Cruz led GOP temper tantrum.

326 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:39:11am

Frankly any policy that isn’t immediate deportation is “amnesty” to these types.

327 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 9:40:11am

re: #317 William Barnett-Lewis

I vaguely remember the McDavid’s thing but I wonder what the problem with the McD’s standard fries would be? To my knowledge, they shouldn’t have had any problems.

It was not religious as much as a ‘buy local’ vs ‘standardized import’ issue. This must have been when they were still concerned with kashrut certification.

328 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 9:41:56am

re: #324 Decatur Deb

We had Burger King in Ra’anana, and an older take-off called Burger Ranch.

There is a place in Jerusalem called Burgers Bar that has utterly awesome burgers but they are a step upscale from standard fast food.

Also, last time we were there, my son-in-law took us to this Brazilian steakhouse called Papagaio, where they serve burgers that can feed an entire family.

Our next visit will be over Passover, so no restaurants.

329 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 13, 2014 9:43:13am

re: #211 lawhawk

Most Jews were deported to the camps in the east. They were told they would be sent to Ukraine (or something like that), most believed it. So suppose they had guns. The choice, as far as they would haven been concerned was between dying in a shoot-out with the Nazis or having a chance of survival in a labor camp. The result would have been the same, I’m afraid.

330 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:43:23am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Frankly any policy that isn’t immediate deportation is “amnesty” to these types.

They never bring up Reagan’s amnesty, do they? Hypocrites.

331 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 13, 2014 9:43:49am

re:
#297

Mary Landreiu, using the Keystone pipeline to get votes, has got to be one of the most blatant sell outs by a Dem in this century.

And she’ll probably go on to lose the runoff anyway.

So what’s the current GOP advantage in the Senate now? 54-46? 55-45? I’ve lost track.

332 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 9:44:30am

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

Woohoo! You go, Mr. President!

President Obama to announce broad overhaul of immigration enforcement system that will protect up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from the threat of deportation - @nytimes
read more on nytimes.com

RWNJ reaction:

RAGE!!!!!!
333 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 9:44:55am

re: #328 Vicious Piebola

There is a place in Jerusalem called Burgers Bar that has utterly awesome burgers but they are a step upscale from standard fast food.

Also, last time we were there, my son-in-law took us to this Brazilian steakhouse called Papagaio, where they serve burgers that can feed an entire family.

Our next visit will be over Passover, so no restaurants.

Heh. The daughter who did not live with us came for a visit—right over Passover. She had a McD burger on an egg-based chametz-free ‘bun’. I’m still outraged that beer is bread—but that introduced me to Taibeh brew.

334 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 9:45:29am

re: #329 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Most Jews were deported to the camps in the east. They were told they would be sent to Ukraine (or something like that), most believed it. So suppose they had guns. The choice, as far as they would haven been concerned was between dying in a shoot-out with the Nazis or having a chance of survival in a labor camp. The result would have been the same, I’m afraid.

You surely realize that historical fact means nothing to the gun-fuckers, they only want to co-opt the Holocaust and make themselves the victims. It’s a form of Holocaust denial IMO.

335 makeitstop  Nov 13, 2014 9:45:35am

re: #287 Vicious Piebola

Actually kosher “bakon” which is smoked turkey strips, is a pretty good (and low-fat) bacon substitute

My wife bought it by accident a few weeks back. I didn’t even realize it wan’t real bacon until I threw it in the pan and didn’t get a ton of bacon fat out of it. Pretty tasty, too.

336 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 9:47:49am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Heh. The daughter who did not live with us came for a visit—right over Passover. She had a McD burger on an egg-based chametz-free ‘bun’. I’m still outraged that beer is bread—but that introduced me to Taibeh brew.

When I go to the kosher supermarket before Passover I see all kinds of “kosher for Passover” shit: pizza, breakfast cereal, hotdogs & hotdog buns, waffles, snackchips, etc.

HOW HARD IS IT TO GIVE UP PROCESSED CARBS FOR ONE FUCKING WEEK.

337 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 9:48:03am

Sweeeet. Check out the new feature on LGF:

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338 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 9:48:51am

re: #336 Vicious Piebola

When I go to the kosher supermarket before Passover I see all kinds of “kosher for Passover” shit: pizza, breakfast cereal, hotdogs & hotdog buns, waffles, snackchips, etc.

HOW HARD IS IT TO GIVE UP PROCESSED CARBS FOR ONE FUCKING WEEK.

We’re talkin’ beer, here.

339 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 9:49:17am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

We’re talkin’ beer, here.

Oh, we drink so much wine I don’t even notice.

340 Bubblehead II  Nov 13, 2014 9:49:20am

re: #337 Dr. Matt

Sweeeet. Check out the new feature on LGF:

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Saw that this morning. Makes scroll over a breeze. Thanks Charles.

341 Justanotherhuman  Nov 13, 2014 9:49:49am

Most Americans can’t give up processed carbs for one day.

342 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 9:54:56am

Wingnuts are going absolutely apeshit over this Gruberghazi thing.

343 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:55:22am

re: #334 Vicious Piebola

You surely realize that historical fact means nothing to the gun-fuckers, they only want to co-opt the Holocaust and make themselves the victims. It’s a form of Holocaust denial IMO.

I call it Holocaust Minimalism. They minimize the horrors of the Holocaust by likening their “plight” to the victims.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2014 9:55:23am

heh…

345 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:55:50am

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

They never bring up Reagan’s amnesty, do they? Hypocrites.

And if they do, they blame Tip O’Neill for it just like Tip was responsible for the debts Ronnie ran up.

346 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 9:58:23am

re: #335 makeitstop

My wife bought it by accident a few weeks back. I didn’t even realize it wan’t real bacon until I threw it in the pan and didn’t get a ton of bacon fat out of it. Pretty tasty, too.

I had vegan pepperoni once on pizza. Didn’t really taste that much different from the real thing and nowhere near as fattening. Win-win. I mean I like the real thing but I am glad that the substitutes do exist.

347 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 9:59:41am

re: #334 Vicious Piebola

You surely realize that historical fact means nothing to the gun-fuckers, they only want to co-opt the Holocaust and make themselves the victims. It’s a form of Holocaust denial IMO.

I am as pro-gun as anyone here and I agree - these idiots are 100% into denial because they want only their fantasy to be true instead of history. F*ck them and the horse they rode in on.

348 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 10:02:02am

re: #336 Vicious Piebola

When I go to the kosher supermarket before Passover I see all kinds of “kosher for Passover” shit: pizza, breakfast cereal, hotdogs & hotdog buns, waffles, snackchips, etc.

HOW HARD IS IT TO GIVE UP PROCESSED CARBS FOR ONE FUCKING WEEK.

See, now going back to what I was talking about earlier - that stuff is easy to give up and I can’t imagine all the fussing to make ersatz versions. Maybe I just know where my weaknesses are rather than them?

349 Skip Intro  Nov 13, 2014 10:02:24am

re: #347 William Barnett-Lewis

When did gun ownership change from being a recreational activity to the only defense against tyrants?

350 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 10:02:28am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

I call it Holocaust Minimalism. They minimize the horrors of the Holocaust by likening their “plight” to the victims.

The only “real” Holocaust victims are TEH GUN OWNERS!!!!!!1!! and TEH FETUS BABBIES!!!1!!!!!

Because fuck those non-Jesus-believing Juice.

351 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 10:03:44am

re: #339 Vicious Piebola

Oh, we drink so much wine I don’t even notice.

Bingo.

I like my beer but a semi-decent pinot noir will get me to forget beer really fast … ;)

352 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 10:04:03am

re: #350 Vicious Piebola

The only “real” Holocaust victims are TEH GUN OWNERS!!!!!!1!! and TEH FETUS BABBIES!!!1!!!!!

Because fuck those non-Jesus-believing Juice.

That gets me at another thing. i remember and this was very rich given the RCC’s behavior during and after WWII but I remember hearing legalized abortion being likened to the Holocaust and it disgusting me. You forget the other “victims” though, the poor widdle “Christian” businesses that have to serve LGBT customers.

353 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 10:05:21am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Youtube Video

354 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 13, 2014 10:06:58am

re: #349 Skip Intro

When did gun ownership change from being a recreational activity to the only defense against tyrants?

Fairly long time ago in the far far right. I’d say 1934 when the NFA went into effect but it got real with the 1968 GCA that banned mail order guns and made us sign a paper that we’d bought a gun.

355 BeachDem  Nov 13, 2014 10:45:03am

re: #281 Vicious Piebola

And there’s the mighty Greenwald, arguing with people in the comments. The man cannot let anything remotely resembling a criticism of him go without a snotty, condescending response.


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