And Now, Gruberghazigate, Electric Boogaloo Edition

And there came a pale Gruber
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Yes, this is Jonathan Gruber.

The entire wingnut universe is screaming in unison, as is their wont, over the SMOKING GUN that’s finally going to DESTROY OBAMACARE, and its name is … Gruber.

Jonathan Gruber, who apparently said something rather impolitic about the Affordable Care Act; he admitted that parts of the bill were written to be … less than clear. In particular, they tried to avoid using the word “tax.” And Gruber publicly used the word “stupid” to refer to American voters, which of course one must never do.

Wingnut Twitter is yelling that the media aren’t covering it enough, but they always do that whenever they have a nice juicy fake outrage — and that’s what this is. It may not be very smart to admit it (because this kind of pearl-clutching is what happens) but anyone who didn’t already know government legislation is sometimes written deliberately to obscure the truth has never read a piece of government legislation, or tried to figure out if a local ballot proposition actually does what it says it does. This ain’t news, and both sides do it all the time.

And it won’t “kill” Obamacare, no matter how much Gruber-related noise the Wingnut Unison Chorus makes.

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417 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 5:45:35pm

GRUBER!

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2014 5:46:31pm

The media aren’t covering it enough?

What the hell has Fox been doing the last four years?

slackers…

3 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 5:47:57pm

What’s the rightwing scandal saturation point? Three a week? One a day?

4 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 5:49:21pm

re: #3 jaunte

What’s the rightwing scandal saturation point? Three a week? One a day?

it’s a weather thing. Depends on the relative mendacity.

5 b_sharp  Nov 13, 2014 5:53:02pm

” Would you like another schnitzengruber? “

6 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 5:53:15pm
7 dholmes32  Nov 13, 2014 5:53:29pm

And now, Comet 67P troofers. Or conspiracy theorists. Or whackjobs.

It [the email]states: “Do not think for ONE MOMENT that a space agency would suddenly decide to spend billions of dollars to build and send a spacecraft on a 12-year journey to simply take some close-up images of a randomly picked out comet floating in space.”

“Comet 67P is NOT a comet,” the letter continues. “Some 20 years ago Nasa began detecting radio bursts from an unknown origin out in space. It would later be known that these had likely come from the direction of the now named comet 67P. It does show signs on its outside of machine like parts and unnatural terrain.”

theguardian.com

8 dog philosopher  Nov 13, 2014 5:53:53pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

it’s a weather thing. Depends on the relative mendacity.

flourishes in conditions of high heat and low humility

9 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 5:54:18pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

GRUBER!

Hans Gruber: [on the radio] Mr. Mystery Guest? Are you still there?
John McClane: Yeah, I’m still here. Unless you wanna open the front door for me.
Hans Gruber: Uh, no, I’m afraid not. But, you have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he’s John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?
John McClane: Was always kinda partial to Roy Rogers actually. I really like those sequined shirts.
Hans Gruber: Do you really think you have a chance against us, Mr. Cowboy?
John McClane: Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker.

10 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 5:55:30pm

I’m suffering from right wing scandal-mongering fatigue. I’m all out of fucks to give at this point.

We should be so lucky that the media really did ignore this happy horseshit - unfortunately it’s everywhere.

11 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 5:56:24pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I’m suffering from right wing scandal-mongering fatigue. I’m all out of fucks to give at this point.

We should be so lucky that the media really did ignore this happy horseshit, unfortunately it’s everywhere.

The RWNJs I follow on Twitter have been howling at the moon for days now.

13 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 5:57:14pm

Looks like the accumulated weight of RW guano has reached the point that we’re in for another guanolanche.

14 bratwurst  Nov 13, 2014 5:57:25pm

With one breath, RWNJ’s say HAW HAW Fox News has a bigger audience than every other news channel COMBINED! No other news source matters anymore.

With the next I DEMAND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA COVER THE STORIES I CARE ABOUT!

15 dholmes32  Nov 13, 2014 5:58:47pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I’m suffering from right wing scandal-mongering fatigue. I’m all out of fucks to give at this point.

We should be so lucky that the media really did ignore this happy horseshit, unfortunately it’s everywhere.

Here’s an appropriate meme. (I like this particular one because I’ve done a lot of embroidery in my life and appropriating the Bayeux Tapestry is fun.)

Behold the field in which I grow my f*cks
16 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:00:52pm

re: #15 dholmes32

My mom is making me one of those. She has the building almost done. Going in my rumpus room.

17 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:01:43pm
Boogaloo
18 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 6:03:39pm
NEVER FORGET!!! #Gruberghazigate #Grubergate #Gruberghazi
19 BlueSpotinAL  Nov 13, 2014 6:03:50pm

Can anyone tell me when a politician overestimated the intelligence of the American voter? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

20 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 6:06:08pm

re: #19 EbolaSpotinAL

Can anyone tell me when a politician overestimated the intelligence of the American voter? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Adlai Stevenson, the second one.

21 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 6:06:11pm

re: #19 EbolaSpotinAL

Can anyone tell me when a politician overestimated the intelligence of the American voter? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Conservatives have spent the last 30 years screeching that anyone that votes for the Democratic Party is “low information”…..NOW they are outraged? Fuck them.

22 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 6:08:15pm
23 bill d  Nov 13, 2014 6:09:25pm

Is this Gruber thing a bigger deal than the ISIS warriors that are massing on the Rio Grande that will come and chop our heads off in our sleep?

Asking for a friend.

24 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:09:48pm

David Spade as Gruber?

25 prairiefire  Nov 13, 2014 6:10:04pm

Got a flu shot last night and now I have the flu shot blues.

26 Jenner7  Nov 13, 2014 6:10:12pm

Video

27 bill d  Nov 13, 2014 6:11:10pm

Is he related to this guy?

28 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 6:11:21pm

re: #23 bill d

Is this Gruber thing a bigger deal than the ISIS warriors that are massing on the Rio Grande that will come and chop our heads off in our sleep?

Asking for a friend.

BENGHAZI!!11ty

OBUMMER THE INCOMPETENT BUMBLING LEADER WHO’S A TYRANT THAT WILL ENSLAVE WHITE PEOPLE AND BAN CHRISTIANITY!!!11ty

29 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 6:11:31pm
“What’s significant about Gruber-gate, though, is not that the Obama Administration was less transparent about what the ACA would do than its critics. It’s that Gruber admitted that his side participated in this unseemly dance.”
time.com

Time Magazine is shocked, shocked, that politics is happening around the ACA.

30 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 6:12:13pm
31 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 6:14:02pm

Kraut is looking rough.

32 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:14:21pm

The law has been available for anyone willing to read and parse through it since it was enacted in 2009. Or view any of the versions that worked their way through Congress before it was enacted.

That there were parts that are obtuse and that members of Congress sought to obscure - like how parts of the IM were a tax - even as it was obvious to anyone paying attention that it was a tax (like those provisions that were enacted as part of the Internal Revenue Code).

And there were bits that were written at different times and not reconciled - such as the provisions that relate to state exchanges and what happens when states don’t create them and the feds step in.

The stupidity is that all the law is out there to be parsed and understood, but we’ve got GOP nitwits who are looking for any opportunity and chance to repeal the whole thing - and replace it with vaporware. They’d rather see millions lose access to affordable health insurance than admit that they don’t have a solution to the soaring costs of health care and insurance.

They’ll blame Obamacare for higher premiums that are within the range of increases seen in employer-sponsored plans. They’ll blame Obamacare for not being perfect - even though it’s subject to many of the same problems found with other private health insurance plans (because it’s comprised of private insurers pooled in exchanges). They complain about higher costs of insurance, even though they don’t have alternatives.

They just complain. And agitate for repeal.

33 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 6:14:28pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

David Spade as Gruber?

Maybe Bob Odenkirk?

34 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 6:15:58pm

re: #26 Jenner7

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L O L

35 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 6:16:44pm

re: #27 bill d

Is he related to this guy?

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See:

re: #26 Jenner7

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Video

36 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 6:17:36pm

Basically everyone is shocked at things they could have learned for themselves if they actually read and understood the ACA.

Is this the very first time anyone has ever deliberately written legislation to mislead? It must be, otherwise why would the conservatives be so upset?

37 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:17:44pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

MacGruber?

That’s Will Forte’s thing.

38 Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2014 6:18:28pm

Younger and older Gruber.

39 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:18:34pm
40 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 6:19:58pm

I asked for a sane explanation of this #GruberGate shit, and now I have it. It is just as I expected. The RWNJs making yet another mountain range out of yet another molehill.

Thanks.

41 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:20:06pm
Striking Similarities
42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2014 6:20:08pm

re: #32 lawhawk

And Heritage Foundation had essentially the same plan back in 1989.

43 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:22:22pm

re: #39 lawhawk

That’s uh, fucked up.

44 dog philosopher  Nov 13, 2014 6:24:25pm

President Krauthammer Deports 21 Million “Illegals”

price of mcdonald’s quarter pounder tops $21

45 BlueSpotinAL  Nov 13, 2014 6:25:00pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

Adlai Stevenson, the second one.

Good one. I thought that a politician who got elected was implied, though. :)

46 lawhawk  Nov 13, 2014 6:25:20pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

The individual mandate was a GOP proposal countering Democratic ones that included single payer. Heritage authors came up with it. And they were gung ho to go ahead with it, right up until President Obama made it central to the ACA after seeing it work in Massachusetts (and modeled on the Romneycare plan that likewise included an individual mandate).

Because the GOP touted the individual mandate as a way to foster responsibility among people who might otherwise skip out on getting health insurance. They’d either pay into the insurance plans or else pay penalties.

Try telling the difference between the ACA and Masscare. The differences are slight. Other than the fact that the GOP wants to destroy the ACA and deny health insurance to millions.

47 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:27:33pm

Anyone have an opinion on a good digital (amp/guitar) modeling PC software?

48 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 6:28:40pm

re: #39 lawhawk

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gah

49 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 6:29:33pm

re: #45 EbolaSpotinAL

Good one. I thought that a politician who got elected was implied, though. :)

Ruled them out from the starting point.

50 missliberties  Nov 13, 2014 6:30:17pm

Why does everyone have amnesia on Romneycare that Mr Genius Gruber Whiz at Numbers Guy helped write.

And as a friend of Romney’s of course he thinks voters are stupid.

I smell a rat. This is an old tape newly released. Optics? Timing? Questionable. Yes of course.

51 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 6:31:34pm

re: #50 missliberties

Why does everyone have amnesia on Romneycare that Mr Genius Gruber Whiz at Numbers Guy helped write.

And as a friend of Romney’s of course he thinks voters are stupid.

I smell a rat. This is an old tape newly released. Optics? Timing? Questionable. Yes of course.

Well well well

52 missliberties  Nov 13, 2014 6:32:24pm

re: #46 lawhawk

They didn’t want the Dems to get credit. I recall Grassley being for the ACA before he was against it. He was touting it and helping with details.

And yes many in the GOP helped to work on the ACA, including #Gruber!

53 palomino  Nov 13, 2014 6:33:06pm

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Kraut is looking rough.

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Go ahead. Impeach him. You’ll lose in the Senate just like with Bill Clinton. And waste a billion dollars and months in the process.

And you’ll lose the Hispanic (and sane non-Hispanic vote) even worse in the future since non-TP/base GOP doesn’t really want an impeachment spectacle in the middle of everything else. When was the last time you heard a non-tea partier demand impeachment?

Like I said, go ahead with impeachment. You’ll be doing us a favor.

54 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:37:04pm

Impeachment would be the last nail in a coffin for me. I would head north and chain myself to a maple tree. It would cause great damage.

55 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 6:38:48pm
56 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 6:39:35pm

Oh, they got the goods on the White House now!

Stunning news!

57 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 6:41:14pm

re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Oh, they got the goods on the White House now!

@desertgardens: Just a quick search of WH visitors log shows 18 entries for Johnathan Gruber. FYI

Stunning news!

Um, I thought Obama was just like Hitler. I mean, if he was there would be no visitor logs in the first place, AMIRITE?!?

58 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 6:41:41pm

Alert the goatzz!!

59 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 6:41:58pm

On a different topic, EEEbola! Scientists and sane people are discussing it and other diseases on #scistuchat. It’s worth checking out.

60 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 6:44:14pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

Um, I thought Obama was just like Hitler. I mean, if he was there would be no visitor logs in the first place, AMIRITE?!?

It’s probably three different guys all with the same name.

Clonz!!

//

61 palomino  Nov 13, 2014 6:44:26pm

This isn’t going to kill Obamacare. The Supreme Court will do that (in 34 states at least) next June when they announce their ruling. The Roberts court won’t miss their second chance to dismantle as much of the ACA as possible. No other plausible reason they would have taken the case.

If Obamacare remains in 16 states, the GOP probably can’t kill it there until 2017. At which point, the disparity in social services and economic inequality will be further exacerbated. Many blue states would set up their own versions of Romneycare at the state level (a huge success, as Mass. has the highest insured rate in the country).

Red states would mostly go back to the status quo ante ACA. In other words, they would continue their race to the bottom in everything from health insurance to occupational safety to minimum wages to anti-discrimination protection in housing/employment for gays and other minorities. My advice: if you live in a red state, fight like hell. Or move.

62 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 6:44:31pm

So, I’ve been really behaving, i.e. less caloric intake.

Decided today that mayonnaise was welcome back into the house. I bought this at the gourmet market, and oh hell. It is fantastically worth it

sirkensingtons.com

The classic. They did not have the chipotle or that would have been the choice.

FYI LGF

63 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2014 6:46:19pm

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Kraut is looking rough.

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Kraut is looking ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’

64 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 6:46:55pm

re: #63 Blind Frog Belly White

Kraut is looking ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’

Being wrong all the time wears down the soul.

65 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 6:47:07pm

re: #61 palomino

This isn’t going to kill Obamacare. The Supreme Court will do that (in 34 states at least) next June when they announce their ruling. The Roberts court won’t miss their second chance to dismantle as much of the ACA as possible. No other plausible reason they would have taken the case.

If Obamacare remains in 16 states, the GOP probably can’t kill it there until 2017. At which point, the disparity in social services and economic inequality will be further exacerbated. Many blue states would set up their own versions of Romneycare at the state level (a huge success, as Mass. has the highest insured rate in the country).

Red states would mostly go back to the status quo ante ACA. In other words, they would continue their race to the bottom in everything from health insurance to occupational safety to minimum wages to anti-discrimination protection in housing/employment for gays and other minorities. My advice: if you live in a red state, fight like hell. Or move.

Ignore my stupid comment after this brilliant one.

Word.

66 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 6:47:12pm

“…for God’s sake, don’t dare call Americans stupid just because they really do want contradictory things.”

67 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2014 6:49:24pm

re: #64 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Being wrong all the time wears down the soul.

Kraut’s must be worn down to a nub.

68 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 6:54:38pm

The Award Winning Journalist now is libeling Loretta Lynch as a “Jew hater.”

To spare you some pain, I’ll summarize it thusly. The Black Law Students Association invited a PLO rep to speak, and did not allow a Jewish or Israeli spokesman equal time to speak. Campus outrage ensued. Decades ago.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

69 dog philosopher  Nov 13, 2014 6:58:12pm

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Jew-Hating

wow - if the aim was to get on the good side of jewish voters, that’s *really* showing a tin ear

70 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 6:58:59pm

The indictment said: “Blankenship knew that UBB was committing hundreds of safety-law violations every year and that he had the ability to prevent most of the violations that UBB was committing. Yet he fostered and participated in an understanding that perpetuated UBB’s practice of routine safety violations, in order to produce more coal, avoid the costs of following safety laws*, and make more money.”

*Onerous Regulations™

71 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 6:59:09pm

Honestly many Americans are stupid when it comes to Obamacare. When you support the ACA when it’s called ACA but flip your shit when it’s called Obamacare, yes, you’re being stupid.t out. The fears about “death panels” showed stupidity as well. Leave it to the RWNJs to get outraged though because they’re such precious wittle victims.
Edited because I read the story wrong. Sorry long day.

72 TedStriker  Nov 13, 2014 7:00:25pm

re: #64 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Being wrong all the time wears down the soul.

That might be true…if Krauthammer had a soul to begin with.

73 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:01:19pm

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

The Award Winning Journalist now is libeling Loretta Lynch as a “Jew hater.”

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To spare you some pain, I’ll summarize it thusly. The Black Law Students Association invited a PLO rep to speak, and did not allow a Jewish or Israeli spokesman equal time to speak. Campus outrage ensued. Decades ago.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

It’s just too bad that she never said fuck the Jews they don’t vote for us anyhow or advised President Obama to visit a SS cemetery. Really this is fucking desperate as hell if this is the angle they want to go after Lynch with. RWNJs sure love to push Obama and his advisers are Anti-Semites angle though even though as I alluded to H.W Bush and Reagan had James Baker and Pat Buchanan acting much more hostile to Jews than Loretta Lynch ever has.

74 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 7:03:31pm
75 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 7:03:47pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It’s just too bad that she never said fuck the Jews they don’t vote for us anyhow or advised President Obama to visit a SS cemetery. Really this is fucking desperate as hell if this is the angle they want to go after Lynch with. RWNJs sure love to push Obama and his advisers are Anti-Semites angle though even though as I alluded to H.W Bush and Reagan had James Baker and Pat Buchanan acting much more hostile to Jews than Loretta Lynch ever has.

It’s the time-honored “guilt by association” and exaggeration ploy used by Gunner Joe and others.

76 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:04:11pm

Honestly, I’ve never seen a law designed to help people that has gotten this much outrage from the right. Typical of conservatives though. Really, if I could, I’d ask every single GOP elected official that objects to ACA on it being “socialized medicine” to drop their own insurance paid for by the US taxpayer. The hypocrisy by the Republicans in Congress has always stunk on this issue and it needs to be called out.

77 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:04:22pm

re: #70 jaunte

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*Onerous RegulationsTM

HURR HURR JRRBS!!!!!!!!

78 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:04:33pm

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s the time-honored “guilt by association” and exaggeration ploy used by Gunner Joe and others.

Yep not exactly new. Tailgunner Joe would be proud.

79 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 7:07:22pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It’s just too bad that she never said fuck the Jews they don’t vote for us anyhow or advised President Obama to visit a SS cemetery. Really this is fucking desperate as hell if this is the angle they want to go after Lynch with. RWNJs sure love to push Obama and his advisers are Anti-Semites angle though even though as I alluded to H.W Bush and Reagan had James Baker and Pat Buchanan acting much more hostile to Jews than Loretta Lynch ever has.

Thank you. Historian who reminds us.

80 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:08:19pm

I still say the thing that terrifies the RWNJs the most about ACA is the possibility of it not only working but being economically feasible. No wonder why they want to repeal it so bad. The idea that Obama and the Democrats were right on one of the most heated issues of Obama’s presidency and they were wrong probably infuriates them. No wonder why they keep on trying to repeal it and try to get the USSC to weaken it. What a sad ideology conservatives have if their whole schtick is trying to get people off of health insurance.

81 #FergusonFireside  Nov 13, 2014 7:08:30pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I’ve never seen a law designed to help people that has gotten this much outrage from the right. Typical of conservatives though. Really, if I could, I’d ask every single GOP elected official that objects to ACA on it being “socialized medicine” to drop their own insurance paid for by the US taxpayer. The hypocrisy by the Republicans in Congress has always stunk on this issue and it needs to be called out.

They lost their shit over Medicare.

82 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 7:09:15pm
83 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 7:10:06pm
84 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:10:49pm

re: #83 jaunte

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85 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:11:35pm

re: #81 Resident of The United States of Jesus

They lost their shit over Medicare.

Yep. I remember “government hands off my medicare.” The whole opposition to it is just agh your typical fuck you, I got mine mentality.

86 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 7:12:11pm
87 HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2014 7:13:39pm

I seem to recall a lot of right wingers calling the American people stupid for first electing President Obama and then re-electing him. Kind of like how they accuse the left of hating America but yet they’re filled with people who say America deserves to be “punished” for having a president that supports gay rights and abortion rights. Yeah please obsess more about what some no name economist said RWNJs and use that as your grounding point for the ACA repeal, you’ll go far with it.

88 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 7:14:17pm
89 Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2014 7:17:44pm

Otha Turner and the Afrossippi All Stars:

My Babe

Youtube Video

90 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 7:19:51pm

Chris Davenport is one of the most accomplished ski mountaineers in the world.

91 Vicious Piebola  Nov 13, 2014 7:21:00pm

There is an awesome pie section!

92 palomino  Nov 13, 2014 7:24:27pm

re: #65 Resident of The United States of Jesus

Ignore my stupid comment after this brilliant one.

Word.

Thanks. Don’t be so hard on yourself.

93 Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2014 7:26:32pm
94 dog philosopher  Nov 13, 2014 7:33:14pm

Mercedes is reversing a 2011 decision to end production of Maybach as part of a broader makeover of branding at Mercedes

95 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 13, 2014 7:48:47pm
96 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Nov 13, 2014 7:50:50pm

re: #61 palomino

This isn’t going to kill Obamacare. The Supreme Court will do that (in 34 states at least) next June when they announce their ruling. The Roberts court won’t miss their second chance to dismantle as much of the ACA as possible. No other plausible reason they would have taken the case.

If Obamacare remains in 16 states, the GOP probably can’t kill it there until 2017. At which point, the disparity in social services and economic inequality will be further exacerbated. Many blue states would set up their own versions of Romneycare at the state level (a huge success, as Mass. has the highest insured rate in the country).

Red states would mostly go back to the status quo ante ACA. In other words, they would continue their race to the bottom in everything from health insurance to occupational safety to minimum wages to anti-discrimination protection in housing/employment for gays and other minorities. My advice: if you live in a red state, fight like hell. Or move.

This is how I have always viewed it. There might be some long-term goal achieved by not having it in place where the states’ govt and (voting) citizens are deadset against it working. It can function properly (as well as this flawed plan can) in the ~20 states, while the red-states suffer with high UI rates and all that comes with that. Shit will get real for the red states.

97 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 13, 2014 7:55:46pm
98 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 8:02:05pm

Tonight it’s warmer in Gunnison, CO than it is in Leland, MS.

99 De Kolta Chair  Nov 13, 2014 8:04:04pm

100 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 13, 2014 8:09:08pm

re: #99 De Kolta Chair

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I’m buying a gaming system for Christmas. I don’t know whether to get PS4 or XBox One. Now I’m really confused!

101 Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2014 8:11:52pm

re: #96 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

This is how I have always viewed it. There might be some long-term goal achieved by not having it in place where the states’ govt and (voting) citizens are deadset against it working. It can function properly (as well as this flawed plan can) in the ~20 states, while the red-states suffer with high UI rates and all that comes with that. Shit will get real for the red states.

I’m not so sure that the SCOTUS will invalidate the subsidies in those states. The Roberts Court is business friendly to the core. Obamacare, for better or worse, provides insurance companies a lot of new revenue. Preventing folks in more than half the states from the mechanism necessary to obtain insurance would cause a significant dent in that revenue stream.

Not to mention that invalidating the subsidies for the federal exchanges would require a significant re-write on precedents dealing with statutory interpretation.

102 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 8:13:07pm

There are no feminist chimpanzees:

Bullyboy chimps more likely to become fathers

The good guy doesn’t always get the girl in the chimpanzee world.

A study of chimpanzees in Tanzania spanning 17 years has found that males that subjected females to long-term aggressive behaviour, often including physical attacks, greatly improved their chances of fathering babies with them.

“It is certainly not a happy message,” says study co-author evolutionary anthropologist Ian Gilby of Arizona State University.

“Males who directed aggression toward females at high rates were more likely to sire those females’ offspring than less violent males were. This effect was particularly strong for high ranking males [in the chimpanzee community],” adds Gilby.

[…]

103 BeachDem  Nov 13, 2014 8:13:44pm

To lighten the mood, here’s a picture of Rick Perry, wearing his glasses (oooh, he looks so smart!) and, because of his current state of felony indictment, very gingerly NOT touching the gun he was presented with during his visit to South Carolina. Bonus: he’s standing next to Alan Clemmons, of ZOMBIE VOTERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA fame (and sadly, my state rep.)

I wanna love it so bad
104 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 13, 2014 8:15:47pm
105 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 8:17:29pm

Why we have wars?

Infanticide common among adult males in many mammal species

106 Dark_Falcon  Nov 13, 2014 8:27:19pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

Great use of the quote. Loved it.

107 De Kolta Chair  Nov 13, 2014 8:29:13pm


1952!

108 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 8:29:18pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Thanks!

109 Mattand  Nov 13, 2014 8:35:48pm

re: #23 bill d

Is this Gruber thing a bigger deal than the ISIS warriors that are massing on the Rio Grande that will come and chop our heads off in our sleep?

Asking for a friend.

For some reason, the bold part really sells the whole comment for me.

110 Mattand  Nov 13, 2014 8:38:20pm

re: #99 De Kolta Chair

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We had a Colecovision when I was 10. It played both Pong and handball.

Every so often when I pop in something like God of War on the PS3, I think of consoles like that and think “We were basically cavemen playing with sticks and rocks.”

111 palomino  Nov 13, 2014 8:47:23pm

re: #96 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

This is how I have always viewed it. There might be some long-term goal achieved by not having it in place where the states’ govt and (voting) citizens are deadset against it working. It can function properly (as well as this flawed plan can) in the ~20 states, while the red-states suffer with high UI rates and all that comes with that. Shit will get real for the red states.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s time to turn the “states rights” argument on its head, and use it not to maintain a racist hegemony (as in the south for pretty much all our history). Instead, states like CA, NY, VT, HI, WA, OR, MA, etc. will progress into the 21st century regarding health insurance, occupational safety standards, min. wage, non-discrimination towards gays, etc, as have virtually all other developed democracies worldwide.

The rest of the states have the right to continue shithole status on such issues if they so choose.

112 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 8:50:48pm

Greg Abbott, still in campaign mode.

113 palomino  Nov 13, 2014 8:51:29pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

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Maybe Putin has spent too much time listening to Glenn Beck?

Putin’s relic of a country already lost one protracted economic war against the West. It ended with the dissolution of the USSR. There’s no reason to think his second-rate empire wouldn’t lose again. The dude’s a fossil with a hard-on for the old Soviet Union. What else could be more depraved and reactionary?

114 jaunte  Nov 13, 2014 8:54:09pm

“… Just yesterday, the Perry-appointed Texas Institute of Health Care Quality and Efficiency recommended that the state negotiate a Texas-specific expansion of health care coverage for the poor, adding that Texas’s uninsured rate is “unacceptable.” That’s because there’s really no way to make any recommendations on health care coverage in Texas without arguing there needs to be more of it, and a Medicaid expansion is the most cost-effective way to have an enormous impact.”

115 palomino  Nov 13, 2014 8:59:09pm

re: #101 Mike Lamb

I’m not so sure that the SCOTUS will invalidate the subsidies in those states. The Roberts Court is business friendly to the core. Obamacare, for better or worse, provides insurance companies a lot of new revenue. Preventing folks in more than half the states from the mechanism necessary to obtain insurance would cause a significant dent in that revenue stream.

Not to mention that invalidating the subsidies for the federal exchanges would require a significant re-write on precedents dealing with statutory interpretation.

That’s what I used to think, given the ACA’s boon to private health insurers. But I think the current right’s hatred of Obama (and anything with his name attached) outweighs even their romantic love of big business.

There’s not really another plausible explanation for 4 SC Justices agreeing to take a case that amounts to nothing more than some sloppy language that clearly wasn’t intended to be interpreted as the anti-Obamacare plaintiffs argue. You can look at one Gruber quote, or thousands of quotes by actual Democratic members of Congress. The case is a joke. A truly deferential non-activist SC wouldn’t even give such a case a second look.

116 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 9:00:27pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

The scuttlebutt is that the PS4 is the one to get. I have seen neither one in action so I’m only going by friends and forums. The video card is supposed to be better and a more polished console overall.

You mentioned earlier about a gaming laptop?

117 Jenner7  Nov 13, 2014 9:03:30pm
118 lostlakehiker  Nov 13, 2014 9:03:43pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Basically everyone is shocked at things they could have learned for themselves if they actually read and understood the ACA.

Is this the very first time anyone has ever deliberately written legislation to mislead? It must be, otherwise why would the conservatives be so upset?

Of course it was written to deceive. As the authors themselves admit, it would never have passed otherwise.

The people cheering the passage of the bill, in this forum as well as elsewhere, knew full well that it was not what it was advertised to be. And they roundly condemned anyone who asserted what everyone in the know knew.

Go ahead and celebrate having lied your way to victory. Revel in it. It’s nice when we have clarity for a change.

119 Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2014 9:05:34pm

HANS GRUBER.
/

120 Kid A  Nov 13, 2014 9:07:33pm

re: #117 Jenner7

Cuz W is white.

121 austin_blue  Nov 13, 2014 9:07:46pm

re: #70 jaunte

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*Onerous RegulationsTM

Too bad bankers didn’t kill anybody.

122 Kid A  Nov 13, 2014 9:09:13pm

re: #118 lostlakehiker

Like the selling of the Iraq war? Or the selling of the Medicare drug expansion?

123 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 9:12:56pm

Because of course.

124 palomino  Nov 13, 2014 9:13:50pm

re: #118 lostlakehiker

Of course it was written to deceive. As the authors themselves admit, it would never have passed otherwise.

The people cheering the passage of the bill, in this forum as well as elsewhere, knew full well that it was not what it was advertised to be. And they roundly condemned anyone who asserted what everyone in the know knew.

Go ahead and celebrate having lied your way to victory. Revel in it. It’s nice when we have clarity for a change.

As usual, you’re just totally wrong. The bill was sold as two things—expanded coverage and reduced costs. So far, we have both of those results. So the bill is actually what it was advertised to be, since it has cut costs and expanded coverage. You’re focussing on one quote because you think it helps your side, and in the process you’re ignoring what thousands of other people have said. This is not the way that honest informed people debate.

Policies like the ACA work in every other developed nation, but the reactionaries in the US reflexively oppose it because it would disproportionately help the poor and minorities, whose health they don’t give a flying fuck about. Congrats on supporting the party that will celebrate when millions lose their health care coverage.

125 BeachDem  Nov 13, 2014 9:15:00pm

Writing legislation to deceive or confuse? In Washington state, there were two ballot initiatives about gun control—one to expand background checks to private sales and transfers; the other (pushed and and made as confusing as possible by the NRA) to take away the state’s authority to make such a law.

Fortunately, the first passed and the second failed, but six counties voted yes on both, and one county voted no on both.

blogs.seattletimes.com

126 austin_blue  Nov 13, 2014 9:20:37pm

re: #112 jaunte

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Greg Abbott, still in campaign mode.

Abbot has spent the last four years suing the Federal Government.

Despite being residents of Texas, that would still be us.

What a fuckwad.

But he’s ours for the next four years. If there was a Theistic God, there would be a lot more smiting.

127 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 9:22:17pm

re: #126 austin_blue

Dan fucking Patrick.

That’s all I have to say.

128 austin_blue  Nov 13, 2014 9:28:00pm

re: #127 teleskiguy

Dan fucking Patrick.

That’s all I have to say.

He only flies on airplanes with two right wings. The most important politician in Texas for the next four years is a former right-wing talk radio hack.

All of us in Austin are hunkering down. Also, many restaurants in Austin won’t serve him.

129 krypto  Nov 13, 2014 9:43:03pm

Gruber’s comments just seem to me to illustrate that there is a vast difference between being intelligent and being smart.

It was fairly obvious, for example, and no real deception, that taxes on Cadillac plans would be passed on to those who paid for the plans, but that it would be easier to get tax through as a tax on the insurance companies that way than to tax those paying the premiums directly.

But the idiotic part was for him to publicly flaunt an exaggerated characterizations of something like that as some major deception, apparently just to impress his audience about some point he was trying to make, without the slightest concern that there are RWNJs and Fox news out there eager use anything of that sort to propagandize against the health care law.

130 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2014 10:01:16pm

In other wingnut related new there’s this:

This is not a photoshop or a parody, it’s a 100% real legit movie that opens in select theaters tomorrow.

131 jonhendry  Nov 13, 2014 10:03:03pm

Regarding the discussion of Clinton’s chances in 2016 from last post, I have one major concern.

Will she hire Mark Penn again?

If she does, Democrats need to run far away from her, because he’s terrible and incompetent, as demonstrated in 2008.

132 goddamnedfrank  Nov 13, 2014 10:03:23pm

re: #115 palomino

There’s not really another plausible explanation for 4 SC Justices agreeing to take a case that amounts to nothing more than some sloppy language that clearly wasn’t intended to be interpreted as the anti-Obamacare plaintiffs argue. You can look at one Gruber quote, or thousands of quotes by actual Democratic members of Congress. The case is a joke. A truly deferential non-activist SC wouldn’t even give such a case a second look.

Still doesn’t mean Roberts is going to vote for it. Kennedy wanted to kill the ACA, because he wants to be the decider. However the current challenge is exactly the kind of thing that so called conservative textualists purportedly hate, using the most strained and hyper literalist interpretation possible of a wording in order to invalidate clear legislative intent. I actually pretty much doubt that Roberts will go for it, he’s seriously into his legacy and the reputation of his Court. I have no doubt that Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Kennedy are of a mind to try and shame him into a backing their play for a second bite at the apple, but if he stood up to them once on a case that was much stronger legally speaking I see no reason why he’d go for this thin and obvious pretext of a reason for gutting the law.

133 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 10:08:01pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

In other wingnut related new there’s this:

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This is not a photoshop or a parody, it’s a 100% real legit movie that opens in select theaters tomorrow.

Actually, it is a parody.

A parody on reality.

Unbeknowingly.

134 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 10:10:31pm

Looks like he’s going to beat someone to death with that candy cane.

135 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 13, 2014 10:18:10pm

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Looks like he’s going to beat someone to death with that candy cane.

Looks like he’s packing an orb and scepter. Must be because he’s the King of FAIL.

136 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 10:20:58pm

Just got done shoveling the drive. I didn’t feel the weight and depth of the snow was justified to fire up the snowblower for the first time since last May.

Snow has tapered off considerably since this afternoon. More is on the way tomorrow night.

137 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 10:21:24pm

freetoken, could you play a tune please.

138 BeachDem  Nov 13, 2014 10:22:18pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

In other wingnut related new there’s this:

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This is not a photoshop or a parody, it’s a 100% real legit movie that opens in select theaters tomorrow.

He was in my fair state this week promoting it. First, he worked the drive-thru at a Chik fil A (for what reason, I do not know), then he went on a radio show, wearing this lovely holiday sweater. It was in the 70s yesterday, so I hope they had the A/C on.

139 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 10:33:31pm

re: #137 Amory Blaine

This one goes out to Kurt, and all those fighting to rescue Christmas:

MP3 Audio

140 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 10:38:08pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Makes my eyes hurt. Take it away!

141 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 10:38:24pm

Thank you. :)

142 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 10:38:46pm

re: #138 BeachDem

That sweater fucking rawks!!

143 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 10:41:42pm

re: #139 freetoken

I keep my beard on top of the blanket too.

moar please.

144 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 10:45:47pm

re: #139 freetoken

Did the Thousand-Year-Old Man have anything to say about Christmas?

145 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 10:49:19pm

re: #144 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

One of these guys?

Youtube Video

146 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 10:52:59pm

re: #128 austin_blue

All of us in Austin are hunkering down. Also, many restaurants in Austin won’t serve him.

I like this fact!

Austin, the Boulder of Texas.

:-D

147 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 13, 2014 10:55:18pm

re: #145 Amory Blaine

One of these guys?

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Video

I was thinking more like Mel Brooks.
Youtube Video

And I got his age wrong.

148 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 11:25:31pm

*cue Darth Vader/Evil Empire music*

149 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 11:29:22pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

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*cue Darth Vader/Evil Empire music*

MP3 Audio

150 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 11:30:23pm

Speaking of which, it’s teleskiguy’s father’s birthday, 14 Nov. He’s … old. And he’s still one of the best teachers out there.

Happy Birthday Pops!

He tweeted this in Sept. *snort*

151 Kragar  Nov 13, 2014 11:36:26pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

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*cue Darth Vader/Evil Empire music*

Youtube Video

152 freetoken  Nov 13, 2014 11:37:09pm

Better yet:

dailymotion.com

153 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 11:40:21pm

re: #151 Kragar

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Video

re: #149 freetoken

154 teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2014 11:51:25pm

Havana Ted!

155 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 11:52:49pm

re: #151 Kragar

A refreshing message in today’s vanilla trend.

156 Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2014 11:58:59pm

Lol smh comment (unrelated of course) on a different Lily Allen song “Not Fair”

usedsoap3 months ago

Off topic but I’ve been having a lot of trouble with this. You know Obama? Well of course you do… who doesn’t? Anyways I’ve never heard anyone mention his last name. Think about it… no one has EVER mentioned his last name. See my problem? So does anyone out there know his last name? It would be much appreciated :)

157 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 14, 2014 1:05:02am

re: #116 Amory Blaine

The scuttlebutt is that the PS4 is the one to get. I have seen neither one in action so I’m only going by friends and forums. The video card is supposed to be better and a more polished console overall.

You mentioned earlier about a gaming laptop?

I’ve been going back and forth between both systems and asking people who own them. Of course whatever gaming system they own is the one they say is the best. The guy at BestBuy said PS4 has more age friendly games which is good synce it’s for the kids.

Seeing how much the gaming systems cost the laptop is going to be put on hold.

158 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 14, 2014 1:13:25am
159 Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2014 1:22:38am

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

I’ve been going back and forth between both systems and asking people who own them. Of course whatever gaming system they own is the one they say is the best. The guy at BestBuy said PS4 has more age friendly games which is good synce it’s for the kids.

Seeing how much the gaming systems cost the laptop is going to be put on hold.

I have to say that you should not discount the variety and value of the games you can buy on a pc. I also think that the steam streaming has value for the family.

160 Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2014 1:26:26am

Youtube Video

161 Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2014 1:40:00am

Youtube Video

162 Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2014 1:46:37am

Youtube Video

163 EdDantes  Nov 14, 2014 1:53:56am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

OY.

164 Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2014 1:57:09am

Breathe deep man.

165 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 2:10:48am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Kraut is looking rough.

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Nosfekrautu.

166 Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2014 2:13:02am

re: #165 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Nosfekrautu.

WTF dude (help me), how important is Russian nationalism?

167 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 2:27:01am

re: #166 Amory Blaine

WTF dude (help me), how important is Russian nationalism?

Putin’s state has a schizophrenic stance on the Russian (ethnic) nationalism. It promotes various figures that earlier used to be taboo, David-Duke-like (cf. Prokhanov, Dugin). It promotes the expressly nationalist DNR/LNR. The nationalist rhetoric is certainly on the rise.

Yet at the same time there are practical considerations, namely, that Russia is a multiethnic state with some problem regions (like Chechnya), that stop the state apparatus from going full-on Adolf. And indeed, they also make use of the anti-nationalist rhetoric, like in the case of Ukraine. And the more radical, anti-system nationalists are quite often persecuted.

So it’s more of a wink-wink-nudge-nudge approach: “We’re a great international family, nationalism is bad, but the Russian people - is it great or is it great?”

168 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 3:01:05am

I see Jakobovici is at it again, now with the “Jesus married Mary” nonsense. A man gotta pay his bills, I get it.

169 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 3:10:39am

I guess fleecing the know-nothing, new-agey, “dude, that’s an establishment cover-up” types is as good a business as ever.

170 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 3:33:18am

re: #169 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I guess fleecing the know-nothing, new-agey, “dude, that’s an establishment cover-up” types is as good a business as ever.

There are plenty of “lapsed” Christians who don’t accept the official version of Christianity anymore, but are not quite willing to give up their faith completely. They’re in a nebulous region between believer and agnostic.

171 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 3:43:29am

re: #115 palomino

Eh, trying to divine how the court will rule based on granting cert is difficult at best.

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 14, 2014 3:52:50am

re: #168 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I see Jakobovici is at it again, now with the “Jesus married Mary” nonsense. A man gotta pay his bills, I get it.

I always thought that he was married during the years prior to his ministry. Disease, Romans, bandits - lots of reasons they were no longer there later. Doesn’t matter to me either way.

173 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 3:54:40am

re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

The problem with the people who accept this Da Vinci code-type of gibberish is that they exchanged one type of nonsense for another. They haven’t become critical thinkers just because they may have left their churches. It’s still all about the “gut feeling” with them, no dif than with wingnuts.

174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 4:01:16am

re: #172 William Barnett-Lewis

I always thought that he was married during the years prior to his ministry. Disease, Romans, bandits - lots of reasons they were no longer there later. Doesn’t matter to me either way.

I have no problem with such tentative hypotheses about the supposed historical Jesus from “the general sociological principles” (like, “Jesus probably belonged to a class A, it was customary for the members of this class to do/be B, therefore, probably, Jesus did/was B”).

It’s how one arrives at the conclusions that matters. Taking a late apocryphon, substituting “Jesus” for “Joseph” and “Mary” for “Aseneth” and saying this proves something is just intellectual fraudulence. Even if one found a 5th century apocryphal book explicitly saying that Jesus was married, it still would not prove anything about the real Jesus.

175 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:04:22am

re: #173 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The problem with the people who accept this Da Vinci code-type of gibberish is that they exchanged one type of nonsense for another. They haven’t become critical thinkers just because they may have left their churches. It’s still all about the “gut feeling” with them, no dif than with wingnuts.

The New Age people I’ve met are so into woo-woo thinking that I wonder about their sanity. They dismiss traditional faith in Jesus as son of God, and God himself, and replace it with half-baked amalgams of eastern mysticism and western paganism and gnosticism. Same kind of faith wearing different clothes. Then you’ve got nutters like Deepak Chopra adding quantum physics woo-woo to the blend, making analogies where none exist. And even more nutty nutters like Alex Jones bringing in reptilians, UFOs, subterranean beings, government cover-ups and hoaxes, mind control experiments, and on and on.

It’s no wonder some people with a loose grip on reality fall for all this BS.

176 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:06:52am

I’d add Kirk Cameron to that list of people with a loose grip on reality. If he weren’t already a full-bore Christian, he’d be parroting some kind of woo-woo belief instead.

177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 14, 2014 4:07:09am

re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

There are plenty of “lapsed” Christians who don’t accept the official version of Christianity anymore, but are not quite willing to give up their faith completely. They’re in a nebulous region between believer and agnostic.

Just as there are Christians who observe rituals, attend church regularly but do not believe or act according to their faith at all.

There is a good reason that the Founding Fathers separated Church and State, religion is too subjective and nebulous a concept to be part of the language of law or the Constitution.

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 14, 2014 4:07:28am

re: #174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Agreed in both ways.

179 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:08:32am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just as there are Christians who observe rituals, attend church regularly but do not believe or act according to their faith at all.

There is a good reason that the Founding Fathers separated Church and State, religion is too subjective and nebulous a concept to be part of the language of law or the Constitution.

Well said. The FF knew all too well the kind of horrors differences in religious belief could cause.

180 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 4:13:56am

It’s like, if 500 years from now someone writes a book about a sorcerer Osama and his 72 wives ruining America through black magic, and then, 1500 years after that, someone unearthes the book in some dusty archive and reinterprets it as actually being about Obama, thus “proving” that Obama was a polygamist, and thus the first Mormon president, therefore him and Mitt McCain Romney being one and the same personage.

181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:16:44am

re: #180 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It’s like, if 500 years from now someone writes a book about a sorcerer Osama and his 72 wives ruining America through black magic, and then, 1500 years after that, someone unearthes the book in some dusty archive and reinterprets it as actually being about Obama, thus “proving” that Obama was a polygamist, and thus the first Mormon president, therefore him and Mitt McCain Romney being one and the same personage.

There are some people now who believe Obama rules using black magic, as the anti-Christ.

182 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 4:18:39am

re: #181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

There are some people now who believe Obama rules using black magic, as the anti-Christ.

Their forum comments will be used as additional circumstantial evidence.

183 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 4:22:54am

It doesn’t matter what any of us thing. We are now totally irrelevant.

184 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:23:00am

re: #182 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Their forum comments will be used as additional circumstantial evidence.

Forum comments would be used as circumstantial evidence that people living now were either all hallucinating on drugs or total idiots.

185 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 4:23:49am

Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow!

186 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 4:24:07am

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

In other wingnut related new there’s this:

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This is not a photoshop or a parody, it’s a 100% real legit movie that opens in select theaters tomorrow.

Kirk tells all men to take their wives, mothers & daughters to see it, that is after they’re finished wrapping all the presents, baking all the Christmas cookies & trimming the tree & decorating the house.

187 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 4:24:11am

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Forum comments would be used as circumstantial evidence that people living now were either all hallucinating on drugs or total idiots.

MAGNETS!

188 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 4:24:28am

re: #169 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I guess fleecing the know-nothing, new-agey, “dude, that’s an establishment cover-up” types is as good a business as ever.

Here is the type:

42 of 48 people found the following review helpful
What is the problem?
By April J. Rosenthal on November 12, 2014
Format: Hardcover
I have never understood why this concept is so controversial. Jesus was a Jewish man. It was VERY unusual for a Jewish man to be single in that era. So he probably did have a wife and they probably did have children. So what! That does not lessen the message of “Love thy neighbor as yourself” Which, incidentally, is also a Jewish idea. I enjoyed this book. I thought it was well researched and well written.

Uh, the problem is the methodology, dummy.

189 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:26:17am

re: #188 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Here is the type:

Uh, the problem is the methodology, dummy.

I could do carefully researched and well written study of Frodo Baggins as a hero of Middle Earth, but it wouldn’t make Frodo a real person.

190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 14, 2014 4:26:49am

re: #181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

There are some congresspeople now who believe Obama rules using black magic, as the anti-Christ.

191 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:27:44am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yeah. People like Joni Ernst.

192 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 4:28:41am

re: #189 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I could do carefully researched and well written study of Frodo Baggins as a hero of Middle Earth, but it wouldn’t make Frodo a real person.

Frodo Baggins OR FRAUDO BAGGINS? Inquiring minds want to know!

193 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 14, 2014 4:29:05am

re: #188 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

To me, the main point is

That does not lessen the message of “Love thy neighbor as yourself”

But it does lessen the message of “Our interpretation of Scripture is the only valid one”

194 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 4:31:31am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

To me, the main point is

That does not lessen the message of “Love thy neighbor as yourself”

But it does lessen the message of “Our interpretation of Scripture is the only valid one”

That’s exactly what I mentioned earlier, the “gut feeling”, the feel-good vibe. Which has nothing to do with sound scholarship.

195 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 4:35:24am

re: #194 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

That’s exactly what I mentioned earlier, the “gut feeling”, the feel-good vibe. Which has nothing to do with sound scholarship.

Fundamentalist Christians, and even some non-fundies, put more stead in one’s “connection to God” than to “book learning.” They reject the scholarship of seminary and university-trained theologians in favor of the revealed Word of modern-day “prophets.”

196 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 4:38:28am

Jakobovici is, of course, the guy who was pushing the bogus “tomb of Jesus” story.

197 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 14, 2014 4:43:39am

I remember reading a book as a teenager, The Word by Irving Wallace. It is a work of fiction, but it enlightened me a lot about the whole concept of the history and archaeology of early Christian scripture, much in the way that Dan Brown “enlightened” a lot of people decades later.

198 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 5:00:17am

My non-political post of the week:

199 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:03:08am

re: #198 Dr. Matt

My non-political post of the week:

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the Yellow one seems to have quite the personality!

200 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:06:54am
The Office of Inspector General initiated an investigation based on information gathered by the Audit Division of this Office for its Audit of NOPD’s Uniform Crime Reporting of Forcible Rapes (May 2014). The Investigations Division reviewed the 90 sex crime related reports that auditors cited in their report, and identified 23 reports that raised concerns about the documentation of the investigations.

Investigators reviewed the records of agencies that might have had information regarding these cases and identified five New Orleans Police Department (NOPD) Special Victims Section detectives whose ocumentation for investigations was questionable. Due to ongoing investigations, these five detectives will be not named in this report; their identities were
provided to the NOPD’s Public Integrity Bureau (PIB), which provided material assistance to the investigation.

PIB identified 1,290 sex crime related calls for service that were assigned to the five detectives. Of the 1,290 Item Numbers, only 179 (14%) contained supplemental reports documenting any additional investigative efforts beyond the initial report; these 179 supplemental reports were the total written investigative product of the five detectives for sex crime related calls for service for three years.

What Rape Culture?

201 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:09:28am

I WANT!!!

202 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 5:09:37am

Michigan Senate OKs sharp gas tax hikes to fix roads

HAHAHAAH and Michigan voters just reelected Snyder to 4 more years!!!

203 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 5:12:01am

re: #202 Dr. Matt

Michigan Senate OKs sharp gas tax hikes to fix roads

HAHAHAAH and Michigan voters just reelected Snyder to 4 more years!!!

I voted for Schauer :(

204 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:16:11am
205 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 5:16:13am

The wingnut Twitter feeds are pumping out nonstop GRUBERGHAZIGATE!!!!1!!!!!1!!!!

206 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 5:17:32am

re: #205 Vicious Piebola

The wingnut Twitter feeds are pumping out nonstop GRUBERGHAZIGATE!!!!1!!!!!1!!!!

They were already in full gear yesterday and the day before.

207 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 5:18:35am

re: #206 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

They were already in full gear yesterday and the day before.

Jonathan Gruber is like the Keystone Pipeline of Derp

208 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 5:20:43am

Gruber is going to find a way to make a whole bunch of money from this.

209 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:21:08am
210 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:30:25am
211 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 5:33:38am

re: #182 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Their forum comments will be used as additional circumstantial evidence.

The recent midterms are documented evidence that a substantial segment of America has slipped the surly bonds of reality.

212 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 5:35:44am

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

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Allow me to mansplain a few things…

213 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 5:37:05am

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

I WANT!!!

That’s bad ass, but it looks like it could be disorienting riding on it at night.

214 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 5:38:07am

re: #213 Mike Lamb

That’s bad ass, but it looks like it could be disorienting riding on it at night.

Especially while high on weed.

215 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 14, 2014 5:40:22am

re: #211 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The recent midterms are documented evidence that a substantial segment of America has slipped the surly bonds of reality.

That happened quite a long time ago. Certainly before Bush was reelected…

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2014 5:42:54am
217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2014 5:44:47am
218 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:49:25am
219 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:50:39am
220 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 5:59:05am

What is wrong with this wording?

221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 6:07:15am

Forget how many people have been helped by Obamacare its all about Gruber!!!!!! He said something bad!! REPEAL NOW!!!!!!1

222 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 14, 2014 6:09:55am

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow!

Youtube Video

223 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 14, 2014 6:10:57am

LAUSD attorneys yesterday argued in a civil case that a 14 year old girl was mature enough to consent, trying to save the school system money.

The teacher who had sex with the girl was convicted, served his sentence and is now on Meagans list.

Paged

LAUSD does education like Ferguson does policing.

224 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 6:13:37am

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

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RT @AP: #BREAKING: European Space Agency scientists say Philae lander has started drilling into comet: apne.ws

Is this part where the drill bit breaks above 800 feet and they can’t plant the nuke? ……and then Aerosmith starts playing……

225 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 14, 2014 6:13:41am

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

What is wrong with this wording?

Poor definition that they’re talking about others than the person who committed the act is my guess.

226 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 6:13:49am
And Gruber publicly used the word “stupid” to refer to American voters, which of course one must never do.

Unless, of course, the voters in question haven’t satisfied wingnut observers that they have the proper ID, can answer whichever random questions RWNJ want to badger them with, are only voting to get “free stuff”, or who otherwise might not vote for God’s Own Party. Those voters can be mocked ad nauseum.

/

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2014 6:14:08am
228 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 6:14:53am

Is there a website that compiles historical insurance premium rates for various providers? I’m sure it would be impossible to compare plans historically because the plans change to control costs.

Looking for hard data to backup the argument that insurance rate increases under the ACA are comparable to historical increases.

229 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 6:18:14am

re: #228 Franklin

factcheck.org

230 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 14, 2014 6:19:26am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just wait till he talks to Sarcastic Rover…

Do a science!

231 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 6:20:07am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mission control is worried that Philae will run out of battery power before it can complete its primary objectives. It bounced twice after its initial touchdown, and ended up in a shaded area where it only gets an hour or two of sunlight, which is not long enough to recharge its batteries. It may only be able to operate for another 24 hours, so they wanted to get a sample of comet “stuff” and run chemistry experiments on it ASAP.

232 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 6:20:35am
Jonathan Gruber, who apparently said something rather impolitic about the Affordable Care Act; he admitted that parts of the bill were written to be … less than clear. In particular, they tried to avoid using the word “tax.” And Gruber publicly used the word “stupid” to refer to American voters, which of course one must never do.

Is this the same wingnut brigade whose daily bread consists of Rush Limbo and Michael Weiner Savage’s hatefests, Fox News outrage-athons and their constant harping that the American public has become too feminized and sensitized by “political correctness”, which limits the RWNJ ability to be as nasty as they want to be?

233 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 6:29:53am

re: #208 Vicious Piebola

Gruber is going to find a way to make a whole bunch of money from this.

He should try for a full-frontal shot that breaks the Intertubes.

234 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 6:30:01am

Aerosmith
Youtube Video

235 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 6:31:22am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

He should try for a full-frontal shot that breaks the Intertubes.

I would like Anon hackers to find the REAL un-Photoshopped Kim K photos.

236 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 14, 2014 6:31:39am
237 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 6:33:44am

re: #229 Dr. Matt

factcheck.org

Thanks!

238 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 6:33:48am

re: #232 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is this the same wingnut brigade whose daily bread consists of Rush Limbo and Michael Weiner Savage’s hatefests, Fox News outrage-athons and their constant harping that the American public has become too feminized and sensitized by “political correctness”, which limits the RWNJ ability to be as nasty as they want to be?

Gruber was one of the principal architects of Romneycare, the memory of which every wingnut seems to bury in a deep, dark hole, along with both Bushes. Obamacare is merely Romneycare 2.0, but you’d think it was one of the Biblical plagues from the RWNJ outrage about it.

239 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 6:35:36am

This is a much more interesting woman.

Emily Lakdawalla (L) and Bill Nye (R) eat graham crackers dipped in liquid nitrogen at the USA Science & Engineering Festival on April 27, 2014.
240 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 6:36:27am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

I bet they didn’t inhale.

241 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 6:37:21am

re: #240 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I bet they didn’t inhale.

Anti-s’mores.

242 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 6:39:23am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Gruber was one of the principal architects of Romneycare, the memory of which every wingnut seems to bury in a deep, dark hole, along with both Bushes. Obamacare is merely Romneycare 2.0, but you’d think it was one of the Biblical plagues from the RWNJ outrage about it.

It’s not only Romneycare 2.0 but it’s also close to what the Heritage Foundation and GOP Congress planned in response to Clintoncare. Their whole problem with ACA is the signer of it. And for that, they’re willing to let millions of Americans lose their insurance because Obama having that on his legacy is worse to them than Americans losing their insurance. And that’s what makes this so fucked up. But yeah ACA was great when it was called Romneycare. Mitt even called it a model for the nation when he first ran for president.

243 Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2014 6:43:49am

re: #46 lawhawk

Try telling the difference between the ACA and Masscare. The differences are slight. Other than the fact that the GOP wants to destroy the ACA and deny health insurance to millions.

Millions of lazy, poor Democrats! There’s a difference between them and Americans!

244 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 6:46:31am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

It’s not only Romneycare 2.0 but it’s also close to what the Heritage Foundation and GOP Congress planned in response to Clintoncare. Their whole problem with ACA is the signer of it. And for that, they’re willing to let millions of Americans lose their insurance because Obama having that on his legacy is worse to them than Americans losing their insurance. And that’s what makes this so fucked up. But yeah ACA was great when it was called Romneycare. Mitt even called it a model for the nation when he first ran for president.

I have this notion that Obama looked at the Romneycare and Heritage plans, and figured they stood a better chance in Congress than a single-payer plan, being masterminded by Republicans. I also have the notion that he — as a rational man — had no idea how FUBAR the GOTP is, and that its vehement opposition of the law after passage caught him off guard.

Nothing he has done has met with any kind of approval, even grudging approval, from the extreme right wing. They simply hate his guts.

245 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 6:47:18am

re: #243 Romantic Heretic

Millions of lazy, poor Democrats! There’s a difference between them and Americans!

This is sadly true. You see this mindset so much not just on Twitter but also among right wing pundits that Americans who are receiving some sort of public assistance are “moochers” and “they” are using your hard earned tax dollars. It worked with welfare in the 80’s and it works with ACA today. Just a fucking sham and people buy it.

246 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 6:47:57am

re: #232 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is this the same wingnut brigade whose daily bread consists of Rush Limbo and Michael Weiner Savage’s hatefests, Fox News outrage-athons and their constant harping that the American public has become too feminized and sensitized by “political correctness”, which limits the RWNJ ability to be as nasty as they want to be?

Look, we can talk about the flakiness of the voting public all we want as regular citizens or in private. But when you have a megaphone and when you are involved directly or behind the scenes in politics, you discuss the “stupidity” of the voting public. You just can’t.

247 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 6:48:41am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

This is sadly true. You see this mindset so much not just on Twitter but also among right wing pundits that Americans who are receiving some sort of public assistance are “moochers” and “they” are using your hard earned tax dollars. It worked with welfare in the 80’s and it works with ACA today. Just a fucking sham and people buy it.

Yep, and the same mindset also tells you that 1%’ers WORKED HARD & EARNED THERE MONEYS & THEY SHUD GETS TO KEEP TEH PRECIOUSSSSSS!!!!1!!!

248 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 6:49:28am
249 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 6:50:11am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I have this notion that Obama looked at the Romneycare and Heritage plans, and figured they stood a better chance in Congress than a single-payer plan, being masterminded by Republicans. I also have the notion that he — as a rational man — had no idea how FUBAR the GOTP is, and that its vehement opposition of the law after passage caught him off guard.

Nothing he has done has met with any kind of approval, even grudging approval, from the extreme right wing. They simply hate his guts.

Definitely and I think if he had known what he does about them that he does now that he would have been more ambitious. I see a lot of people try to MBF and go “Well ACA got no Republican votes” to which I respond “Yes and yet this plan resembled their plans much more than Democratic ones of the past.” ACA really was the moment where I knew that Obama could literally do nothing to please the GOPers in Congress and in the media.

250 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 6:51:28am

re: #247 Vicious Piebola

Yep, and the same mindset also tells you that 1%’ers WORKED HARD & EARNED THERE MONEYS & THEY SHUD GETS TO KEEP TEH PRECIOUSSSSSS!!!!1!!!

Yep. And of course TAXATION IS THEFT yet every civilization has had some form of taxation or another but what do we expect from people whose philosopher hero was a fringe lunatic that frowned on charity.

251 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 6:52:17am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I have this notion that Obama looked at the Romneycare and Heritage plans, and figured they stood a better chance in Congress than a single-payer plan, being masterminded by Republicans. I also have the notion that he — as a rational man — had no idea how FUBAR the GOTP is, and that its vehement opposition of the law after passage caught him off guard.

Nothing he has done has met with any kind of approval, even grudging approval, from the extreme right wing. They simply hate his guts.

I absolutely think Obama and his team thought along those lines. However, I believe that it was less about what Republicans would or wouldn’t vote for (although he probably naively thought that there was no way the GOP could double back on itself so thoroughly on ACA)—it was more about what Blue Dog Senate Dems would approve. I mean, let’s not forget that the House passed far more progressive legislation, and it was promptly dismantled by the Senate.

252 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 6:54:52am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Yep. And of course TAXATION IS THEFT yet every civilization has had some form of taxation or another but what do we expect from people whose philosopher hero was a fringe lunatic that frowned on charity.

Google Image-searching “Who Will Build The Roads” returns some utterly batshit memes:

Who will build the ROADS
253 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 6:55:17am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Definitely and I think if he had known what he does about them that he does now that he would have been more ambitious. I see a lot of people try to MBF and go “Well ACA got no Republican votes” to which I respond “Yes and yet this plan resembled their plans much more than Democratic ones of the past.” ACA really was the moment where I knew that Obama could literally do nothing to please the GOPers in Congress and in the media.

What gets me is how totally blind the rank and file are to this fact. The Tea Baggers, Rush and Fox Noise just lead them around by their noses, telling them how horrible the ACA is, it’s socialism, etc., when in fact the ACA is a Republican health care plan that just so happened to be favored by a moderate Democratic president.

It’s all about the black, much trouble, to modify a line from Meghan Trainor.

254 ChuckJager95  Nov 14, 2014 6:56:51am

re: #252 Vicious Piebola

Google Image-searching “Who Will Build The Roads” returns some utterly batshit memes:

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They have to generate those memes because they have yet to come up with an honest, feasible response.

255 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 6:57:53am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Yep. And of course TAXATION IS THEFT yet every civilization has had some form of taxation or another but what do we expect from people whose philosopher hero was a fringe lunatic that frowned on charity.

Theft is when you lose something and get nothing in return. You may lose money to taxes, but there is a payback, a big one, if you consider the safety of the nation from invasion and other such minor issues.

256 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 6:58:00am

re: #252 Vicious Piebola

Google Image-searching “Who Will Build The Roads” returns some utterly batshit memes:

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Yeah they call anyone a “Statist” who dares to point out to them that they live in a fantasy world where they think getting rid of taxation will make things fine. And lol at that image, who the fuck are they fooling? They’re the ones who liken taxation to slavery all the time but I guess they can’t handle the truth that they’re spoiled brats who want to live in the 21st century with all its benefits but without having to pay for it.

257 lawhawk  Nov 14, 2014 6:58:55am

So, I guess this means that the GOP must redouble their efforts to repeal Obamacare. It’s just too successful and people are more than satisfied with the outcomes.

258 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 6:59:58am

re: #255 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Theft is when you lose something and get nothing in return. You may lose money to taxes, but there is a payback, a big one, if you consider the safety of the nation from invasion and other such minor issues.

That’s not even the most absurd thing they call taxation. There’s the old one and I know VB has the image of likening taxation to slavery. Because yeah paying for roads, schools, etc is just like working with no compensation and being beaten by a sadistic slave master if you don’t do your job. It gets even more funnier when you deal with von Mises nut types that think actual slavery wasn’t so bad.

259 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 7:00:59am

re:
#257

Gallup finds that 71% of ppl who obtained insurance through Obamacare exchanges said coverage was good/excellent

But Gruber said….!!!! REPEAL!!!!

260 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:01:08am

I for one subscribe to the Oliver Wendell Holmes quote I’ve seen posted here. “I like taxes, with them I buy civilization.”

261 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 7:01:45am

re: #257 lawhawk

So, I guess this means that the GOP must redouble their efforts to repeal Obamacare. It’s just too successful and people are more than satisfied with the outcomes.

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You need to remember there were GOPers who were ready to gut Social Security and Medicare to supposedly deal with the deficit not long ago. These people would put their own mothers out in the streets if it meant they could gut the social safety net.

262 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 7:03:45am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

That’s not even the most absurd thing they call taxation. There’s the old one and I know VB has the image of likening taxation to slavery. Because yeah paying for roads, schools, etc is just like working with no compensation and being beaten by a sadistic slave master if you don’t do your job. It gets even more funnier when you deal with von Mises nut types that think actual slavery wasn’t so bad.

They could just stop paying their taxes, and see where that gets them.

263 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:12:33am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

That’s not even the most absurd thing they call taxation. There’s the old one and I know VB has the image of likening taxation to slavery. Because yeah paying for roads, schools, etc is just like working with no compensation and being beaten by a sadistic slave master if you don’t do your job. It gets even more funnier when you deal with von Mises nut types that think actual slavery wasn’t so bad.

264 makeitstop  Nov 14, 2014 7:12:52am
Try telling the difference between the ACA and Masscare.

My first read got that as ‘massacre.’

265 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:15:21am

re: #264 makeitstop

My first read got that as ‘massacre.’

That’s what I read too.

266 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:15:28am

re: #263 Vicious Piebola

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Yeah that one in particular. Agh. Just shows you what we’re dealing with. We’re dealing with people who actually think forced human slavery is as bad as the social contract which has other people paying for other people’s stuff. It’s actually a revelation of how radically reactionary they are. Again, they want to live in the 21st century world but they’re so greedy and so narrow minded that the idea of paying for it disturbs them.

267 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 7:16:52am

re: #255 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Theft is when you lose something and get nothing in return. You may lose money to taxes, but there is a payback, a big one, if you consider the safety of the nation from invasion and other such minor issues.

Present day conservatives seem to have the ability to selectively wipe their own memories, The anti-tax crowd, for instance, acts as though they’re completely unaware that they were educated in public schools, drive on public roads, live in a nation that was not conquered by foreign foes, aren’t prey to outbreaks of polio, malaria, hookworm, because of the taxes paid by their forebears. It’s as if all of the aforementioned just happened with no external agency.

I blame liberals, Had we not worked so hard over the years to enact the laws that made the nation a better place to live the antecedents of present day conservatives would have been killed by their own selfish, malicious stupidity.

268 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 7:17:44am

re: #263 Vicious Piebola

They are still spamming that?

And how many things would that meme work for on the Republicans side?

It’s my right to force renters to pay for my mortgage.
It’s my right to force child-less people to pay for my kids.
It’s my right to force everyone to pay for my inheritance.
It’s my right to force everyone to pay for my place of worship.
It’s my right to force people to pay for my kid’s private primary education.

269 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:18:51am

re: #267 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Present day conservatives seem to have the ability to selectively wipe their own memories, The anti-tax crowd, for instance, acts as though they’re completely unaware that they were educated in public schools, drive on public roads, live in a nation that was not conquered by foreign foes, aren’t prey to outbreaks of polio, malaria, hookworm, because of the taxes paid by their forebears. It’s as if all of the aforementioned just happened with no external agency.

I blame liberals, Had we not worked so hard over the years to enact the laws that made the nation a better place to live the antecedents of present day conservatives would have been killed by their own selfish, malicious stupidity.

As I said, all the benefits of modernity without having to pay for it. And like yourself, I do attribute liberalism to why this country has succeeded and would add even more that conservatives have by and large stood in the way of progress for this country whether that issue was slavery, basic labor rights, or civil rights.

270 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:19:01am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Yeah that one in particular. Agh. Just shows you what we’re dealing with. We’re dealing with people who actually think forced human slavery is as bad as the social contract which has other people paying for other people’s stuff. It’s actually a revelation of how radically reactionary they are. Again, they want to live in the 21st century world but they’re so greedy and so narrow minded that the idea of paying for it disturbs them.

Another version of this meme says STATISTS THEN AND NOW to let you know it’s been modified by an Ayn Rand cultist because “Statist” is a buzzword that only they use.

271 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:20:06am

re: #270 Vicious Piebola

Another version of this meme says STATISTS THEN AND NOW to let you know it’s been modified by an Ayn Rand cultist because “Statist” is a buzzword that only they use.

Yeah if I hear “Statist” I know I’m dealing with a devotee of the Church of Ayn. .

272 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:20:13am

re: #268 Mike Lamb

They are still spamming that?

And how many things would that meme work for on the Republicans side?

It’s my right to force renters to pay for my mortgage.
It’s my right to force child-less people to pay for my kids.
It’s my right to force everyone to pay for my inheritance.
It’s my right to force everyone to pay for my place of worship.
It’s my right to force people to pay for my kid’s private primary education.

HURR HURR I’M PAYIN FOR ALL THAT BY MYSELF!!! I BOOTSTRAPED MY OWN SELF!!!!! IT’S MINE ALL MINE I SHUD GET TO KEEP WHAT I EARNED BY MY SELF!!!!!!!1111 LIBTARDS STATISTS COMMIES

273 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:21:16am

Wingnuts still spamming this Fake Quote

274 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:22:42am

My favorite is Paul Ryan. Look at this fucker. Public university education paid for in part his deceased father’s social security money. Only work he’s done in his career as an adult has been with the government. Not even 45 years old yet on his third president of his Congressional career and baring being nominated and elected himself, his fourth in two years.

275 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 7:23:15am

re: #273 Vicious Piebola

Wingnuts still spamming this Fake Quote

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Why is she hashtagging MLK in that tweet?

276 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:24:01am

And of course the Prophet, Ayn herself who had no problem taking social security benefits in her older years.

277 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 7:24:16am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

My favorite is Paul Ryan. Look at this fucker. Public university education paid for in part his deceased father’s social security money. Only work he’s done in his career as an adult has been with the government. Not even 45 years old yet on his third president of his Congressional career and baring being nominated and elected himself, his fourth in two years.

In other words, he’s never had a “real job,” just like Obama.
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278 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:24:24am

re: #275 Franklin

Why is she hashtagging MLK in that tweet?

HURR HURR MLK WAS A REPUBLICAN!!!!1!!!!!

Yes they keep insisting that in spite of being bitch slapped with this:

279 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 7:25:35am

re: #272 Vicious Piebola

HURR HURR I’M PAYIN FOR ALL THAT BY MYSELF!!! I BOOTSTRAPED MY OWN SELF!!!!! IT’S MINE ALL MINE I SHUD GET TO KEEP WHAT I EARNED BY MY SELF!!!!!!!1111 LIBTARDS STATISTS COMMIES

This must be what cons call progress. In the old days we called such people selfish assholes. Now we must call them libertarians.

280 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:26:05am

re: #277 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

In other words, he’s never had a “real job,” just like Obama.
/

Yeah I remember Romney saying Obama never had one and then seeing his running mate’s resume. Honestly, I don’t care about Ryan being a gasp career politician. It’s what he wanted to do but I do tire of his act of acting like he’s somehow above it and not part of the same system he claims to despise. And I didn’t even mention Ryan voting for the Bush items that contributed more to the debt than any Obama item.

281 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 7:26:12am

re: #278 Vicious Piebola

HURR HURR MLK WAS A REPUBLICAN!!!!1!!!!!

Yes they keep insisting that in spite of being bitch slapped with this:

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Ahhh, so she was jut cross contaminating her hashtags with nonsense.

282 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:27:42am

This is some really fucking scary shit:

283 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 7:27:55am

re: #273 Vicious Piebola

Wingnuts still spamming this Fake Quote

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It’s not fake, they just attributed it to the wrong person. The real author is Ben Dover.

284 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 14, 2014 7:28:53am

Time for shuteye here. See you later on. Tomorrow will be a busy day, so probably you won’t see much of me till my evening/your morning.

285 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 7:29:48am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

My favorite is Paul Ryan. Look at this fucker. Public university education paid for in part his deceased father’s social security money. Only work he’s done in his career as an adult has been with the government. Not even 45 years old yet on his third president of his Congressional career and baring being nominated and elected himself, his fourth in two years.

Ben Carson too.

The other one that got me was Craig T. Nelson explaining how he was poor, and on food stamps, but nobody helped him as he pulled himself up by his bootstraps.

286 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:31:30am

re: #283 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s not fake, they just attributed it to the wrong person. The real author is Ben Dover.

It’s actually by William Boetcker, some “motivational speaker” who lived 100 years ago and made a pile of money by lecturing to wealthy people how great they were & deserved all their wealth, etc. Kind of the opposite of Jesus.

287 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:32:04am

re: #285 Mike Lamb

Ben Carson too.

The other one that got me was Craig T. Nelson explaining how he was poor, and on food stamps, but nobody helped him as he pulled himself up by his bootstraps.

Yeah I remember Craig T. Nelson talking about that. That one just made me lol for how pathetically little self awareness he showed. But I guess unlike Carson or Ryan, I can cut some slack since he doesn’t want to run this country. Carson is a great one too though. I mean I’m just sick of this. Stop acting like the federal government is so evil and tyrannical if you’re going to use the same tools that everyone else does. I have no problem with it but please can the hyperbolic bullshit about the feds.

288 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 7:33:41am

re: #282 Vicious Piebola

This is some really fucking scary shit:

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It’s shocking to me that distribution of electoral votes would be left to the states. And I’d think the proposed plan would arguably be unconstitutional as it would gut the concept of 1 person, 1 vote.

289 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 14, 2014 7:34:46am

re: #267 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Present day conservatives seem to have the ability to selectively wipe their own memories, The anti-tax crowd, for instance, acts as though they’re completely unaware that they were educated in public schools, drive on public roads, live in a nation that was not conquered by foreign foes, aren’t prey to outbreaks of polio, malaria, hookworm, because of the taxes paid by their forebears. It’s as if all of the aforementioned just happened with no external agency.

I blame liberals, Had we not worked so hard over the years to enact the laws that made the nation a better place to live the antecedents of present day conservatives would have been killed by their own selfish, malicious stupidity.

Part of this (and someone else pointed in out a week or so ago) is that it appears that everyone was fine with taxes and all the nice benefits until progressives started making things so that the pie was also shared equally with minorities and the lower classes.

290 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:35:11am

So Rick Santorum who rails on public schools all the time?
BA- Penn State- Public check
MBA- Pittsburgh- Public check
Dickinson School of Law (part of Penn State)- public check.

291 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:36:55am

re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader

Part of this (and someone else pointed in out a week or so ago) is that it appears that everyone was fine with taxes and all the nice benefits until progressives started making things so that the pie was also shared equally with minorities and the lower classes.

I was one of those. I can’t take credit for it though. I heard it from another Lizard first but I agree with it. Now of course, there were elements of the old right that opposed that but when yes progressivism became about sharing taxes and benefits with the lower classes and minorities, that’s when all hell broke loose and we saw the revolt against the New Deal consensus.

292 lawhawk  Nov 14, 2014 7:38:14am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

More than a few GOPers who rail about public education were educated through public schools, public universities, or benefited from public financing of higher education (Stafford Loads, Pell Grants, PLUS, etc.)

It’s all part of “I got mine, screw you and yours” mentality.

293 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 7:39:44am

re: #292 lawhawk

More than a few GOPers who rail about public education were educated through public schools, public universities, or benefited from public financing of higher education (Stafford Loads, Pell Grants, PLUS, etc.)

It’s all part of “I got mine, screw you and yours” mentality.

Yeah I already brought up Lyin’ Ryan.

294 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 7:40:24am

re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader

Part of this (and someone else pointed in out a week or so ago) is that it appears that everyone was fine with taxes and all the nice benefits until progressives started making things so that the pie was also shared equally with minorities and the lower classes.

That’s because the millions in the lower classes and minorities did not in any way contribute anything to our nation, right? They didn’t fight in the wars, build the roads and railroads, clear the fields, etc. America sprang full-blown from forehead of God just as Athena was born from the forehead of Zeus.

295 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:42:15am

re: #294 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That’s because the millions in the lower classes and minorities did not in any way contribute anything to our nation, right? They didn’t fight in the wars, build the roads and railroads, clear the fields, etc. America sprang full-blown from forehead of God Rich Old White Men just as Athena was born from the forehead of Zeus.

ftfy

296 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 7:45:54am

re: #295 Vicious Piebola

ftfy

Better!

297 lawhawk  Nov 14, 2014 7:48:33am
298 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 7:50:04am
299 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:51:51am

Wingnuts are so deranged that they blame Obama for stuff that he did not do and in fact is opposed to.

300 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 7:53:11am

TCOT is like 99% GRUBERGHAZIGATE!!!!!!!!TY!!!!!!! this morning

301 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 7:54:34am

re: #300 Vicious Piebola

TCOT is like 99% GRUBERGHAZIGATE!!!!!!!!TY!!!!!!! this morning

Too bad that there isn’t something like methadone for rage addicts. Aw hell, who am I kidding? They wouldn’t want it anyway.

302 ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2014 7:55:21am

Good mid-morning all.

I just read through most of this thread and feel like I’m experiencing Deja Vu all over again.

And again.

Looks like some political crap is going to be around and repeated as fact for a long time. I guess when you really have nothing you reach in your bag of old tricks and try to get people to believe them this time, or next time…or some time in the future.

Sigh.

303 darthstar  Nov 14, 2014 7:55:25am
304 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 7:55:50am

re: #300 Vicious Piebola

TCOT is like 99% GRUBERGHAZIGATE!!!!!!!!TY!!!!!!! this morning

Good. It keeps them occupied. Dread the day they realize Obama is not going to be the next Democratic nominee.

305 darthstar  Nov 14, 2014 7:56:30am
306 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 7:58:15am

re: #303 darthstar

Guess GG couldn’t get Snowden a job at The Intercept.

307 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 7:59:39am

This Greenwald response in the comment section of that sub par boiler plate Cook resignation announcement is rather amusing:


Glenn Greenwald

13 Nov 2014 at 4:40 pm

The reason it came off that way (PRish) is two-fold:

1) There’s no bad or scurrilous news in it (other than the fact of John’s departure itself); it depicts the departure as amicable and the Intercept as stable and growing. We depicted those things that way because they’re true, but any time you write about yourself and don’t include a bunch of bad things, then it will come off as PR-ish. John’s departure really is amicable and the Intercept really is stable and growing, so there wasn’t much we could do about that.

2) As I said, we knew that people would try to use John’s leaving, in conjunction with Matt’s departure, to depict FLM and the Intercept as crashing, unraveling, etc. It just isn’t true, and only we are in the position to make that clear. When we do so, of course it’s going to come off a bit PR-ish: I suppose on some level it is, since part of the purpose is to address bad press by refuting it. But I’m totally comfortable with it because I know it’s all true.

This is one of the ways the internet can distort reality. In four days, nobody will remember this, even though today it seems like some earth-shattering event. We’ll soon have a new editor-in-chief who will be impressive; we’ll continue to have a large staff of journalists and editors; and we’ll be churning out good journalism. In a couple weeks, let alone 3-4 months, that’s all we’ll be judged by.

firstlook.org

For a guy making a whole career of pointing and screaming on how there is something evil going on behind the curtain this is a very laughable response. If Greenwald had any self-awareness at all he’d get quit that place and drunk for a solid month

308 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 7:59:41am

re: #306 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Guess GG couldn’t get Snowden a job at The Intercept.

Being underboss at The Intercept is like being No 2 in Al-Qaida—rapid turnover.

309 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 7:59:56am

re: #300 Vicious Piebola

TCOT is like 99% GRUBERGHAZIGATE!!!!!!!!TY!!!!!!! this morning

By the way, why is this only being reported on now given that he made the comments over a year ago?

310 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 8:01:24am

re: #303 darthstar

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That’s from January. I thought I had seen that before.

311 FemNaziBitch  Nov 14, 2014 8:02:46am

bbl

312 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 8:03:14am

re: #309 Mike Lamb

By the way, why is this only being reported on now given that he made the comments over a year ago?

BECAUSE OBAMA SCANDALS GRUBER OBAMACARE TREASON INPEECH IRS GRUBER BENGHAZI ISIS KENYA MUSLIN BIRTH XERTIFIVAT

313 darthstar  Nov 14, 2014 8:03:55am

re: #310 bill d

That’s from January. I thought I had seen that before.

Oh yea…I thought that read Jun…wait…we’re in November. How much tequila did I drink last night?

Okay…time to go hit the beach…vacation beckons.

314 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 8:04:42am

re: #309 Mike Lamb

By the way, why is this only being reported on now given that he made the comments over a year ago?

They have to use fill-in outrage until January when Obama begins thwarting the genius of the Republican Congress.

315 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 8:05:29am

re: #297 lawhawk

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He’s seriously going with this? Man what a desperate sad little man Boehner is. And Boehner you insult the American people everytime you push a repeal that you know will fail that you do anyway because you’re afraid of the Tea Party extremists that run your party saying mean things about you.

316 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 8:05:45am

HURR HURR HOW U ENJOYEN TEH 13” OF GLOWBALL WARMING U LIBTARDS!!!!!!!!

317 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 8:06:43am

re: #307 bill d

This Greenwald response in the comment section of that sub par boiler plate Cook resignation announcement is rather amusing:

firstlook.org

Shorter Greenwald—who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

Also, how does this world-class, world-saving, world-awakening journalist have time to get into pissing contests with relatively bland commenters on a blog? (I suspect half the commenters at the Intercept are Glenn socks anyway.)

318 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 8:07:08am

OK guys, mark this comment from Glenn:

Glenn Greenwald

13 Nov 2014 at 12:26 pm
//snip


I’d have no reason to pretend things were great if they were actually unraveling. Why would I vest my credibility in something that was inevitably failing? I could easily leave. The same is true of Jeremy, or Laura, or any number of other people who are here and who are staying.



//snip

Watching Glenn trying to soothe his flying monkey army is rather fun to watch.firstlook.org

319 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 8:08:01am

re: #313 darthstar

Oh yea…I thought that read Jun…wait…we’re in November. How much tequila did I drink last night?

Okay…time to go hit the beach…vacation beckons.

Priorities baby!!! have a great day darthstar

320 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2014 8:08:25am
321 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 8:09:17am

MOAR WINGNUT BLAMING OBAMA FOR STUFF REPUBLICANS DO:

323 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 8:14:11am

re: #322 Vicious Piebola

#RWNJs #really #love #their #hashtags

324 calochortus  Nov 14, 2014 8:17:14am

re: #322 Vicious Piebola

LOL u left out “Meth Cookers”

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They might want to check out how our new nation of hell raisers dealt with the Whiskey Rebellion…

325 krypto  Nov 14, 2014 8:19:03am

For Fox and the rest of the rightwing accuse anyone else of lying about the Affordable Care Act is laughable. I have never seen or heard as many deliberate deceptions and lies from anyone about anything as from the rightwing about “ObamaCare,” from death panels, to “Congress is exempt” to “only six people signed up” to “government getting between you and your doctor.”

But it is hard to understand is why Democrats, especially those running for office, have done so little to counter the lies, to defend the law, and to explain to Americans what it does for them. The Affordable Care Act is a major accomplishment for Democrats to be proud of, not something to distance themselves from.

326 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 8:22:39am

re: #324 calochortus

They might want to check out how our new nation of hell raisers dealt with the Whiskey Rebellion…

327 ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2014 8:23:40am

re: #321 Vicious Piebola

MOAR WINGNUT BLAMING OBAMA FOR STUFF REPUBLICANS DO:

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WTF???

They don’t want to feed the 1,400,000 hungry American kids either. I guess they are real concerned that American kids aren’t being screwed first or something.

328 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 8:28:45am

re: #322 Vicious Piebola

LOL u left out “Meth Cookers”

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JFC….THEY DIDN’T EVADE TAXES!

Open a goddamn history book, nutjobs.

329 danarchy  Nov 14, 2014 8:33:25am

re: #328 Franklin

JFC….THEY DIDN’T EVADE TAXES!

Open a goddamn history book, nutjobs.

Willing to bet a fair number of them did. As long as there have been taxes there have been people trying to figure out how not to pay them…

330 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 8:37:45am

Somebody’s got a serious crush on Aqua Buddha:

The campaign-to-be combines family loyalists who served Rand’s father, former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), plus new talent, including tech wizards and social-media Svengalis.

But, Mikey had better get the stars out of his eyes and read up on Kentucky law (or call our very own Sleuth.)

The campaigns will run in tandem. If Paul wins the GOP nomination, he might drop the Senate race.

politico.com

331 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 8:40:31am

re: #329 danarchy

Willing to bet a fair number of them did. As long as there have been taxes there have been people trying to figure out how not to pay them…

Well, that’s true. But I think they are overlooking the “without representation” part of the old slogan.

332 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 8:45:16am

re: #330 BeachDem

Somebody’s got a serious crush on Aqua Buddha:

The campaign-to-be combines family loyalists who served Rand’s father, former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), plus new talent, including tech wizards and social-media Svengalis.

But, Mikey had better get the stars out of his eyes and read up on Kentucky law (or call our very own Sleuth.)

The campaigns will run in tandem. If Paul wins the GOP nomination, he might drop the Senate race.

politico.com

That would be even more funny if I wasn’t now convinced that no one is too ignorant, too bigoted, too crooked, or too malicious to be elected to high office.

333 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 8:47:32am

Steve Stockman is under federal investigation.

Retiring U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman and three of his Capitol Hill aides notified Congress on Wednesday that they have been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury in a criminal investigation.

Stockman, a Clear Lake Republican who this year lost a primary election for U.S. Senate, did not divulge the nature of the federal inquiry. He did not seek reelection to the House.

Karma

334 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 9:04:39am

er:
#333

Retiring U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman

Beautiful words…

335 meteor  Nov 14, 2014 9:08:56am

re: #333 Dr. Matt

Steve Stockman is under federal investigation.

Karma

Yay! Ice cream tonight. Every time something bad happens to Republicans, I get ice cream.

336 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 9:11:45am

re: #333 Dr. Matt

You cal them subpoenaes. Republicans call them résumé builders.

337 Kryptik  Nov 14, 2014 9:14:31am

I can’t help but despair over this shit, because of just how easily people fucking buy into it, and yet anything from someone left of Limbaugh is a vicious commie lie unless you give proof in triplicate and a note from your doctor, and even then.

The fact that these assholes are winning makes me despondent. THe fact that they act like they’re the most super-aggrieved and persecuted class in the history of ever makes me want to smack all of them with the business end of a claw hammer.

338 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 9:16:53am

re: #337 Kryptik

I can’t help but despair over this shit, because of just how easily people fucking buy into it, and yet anything from someone left of Limbaugh is a vicious commie lie unless you give proof in triplicate and a note from your doctor, and even then.

The fact that these assholes are winning makes me despondent. THe fact that they act like they’re the most super-aggrieved and persecuted class in the history of ever makes me want to smack all of them with the business end of a claw hammer.

Don’t bitch, organize. There are people out there now planning to screw these idiots in 2016.

339 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 14, 2014 9:18:59am

The Keystone Kops couldn’t have performed this better. It’s being described as a “comedy of errors.”

340 Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2014 9:19:19am

re: #335 meteor

Yay! Ice cream tonight. Every time something bad happens to Republicans, I get ice cream.

Don’t get too excited.

Stockman’s mention of House rights and privileges could be a sign that he might invoke the Speech and Debate clause of the Constitution, which precludes members of Congress from being prosecuted for official legislative acts, said Brett Kappel, a Washington, D.C.-based attorney who specializes in campaign finance law and disclosure rules.

Remember, the Supremes have ruled that accepting illegal contributions is just a form of free speech unless the money was clearly marked BRIBE, and both parties agree that it was.

341 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:19:47am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

The Keystone Kops couldn’t have performed this better. It’s being described as a “comedy of errors.”

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Probs sexting his girlfriend.

342 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 9:21:53am

re: #337 Kryptik

I can’t help but despair over this shit, because of just how easily people fucking buy into it, and yet anything from someone left of Limbaugh is a vicious commie lie unless you give proof in triplicate and a note from your doctor, and even then.

The fact that these assholes are winning makes me despondent. THe fact that they act like they’re the most super-aggrieved and persecuted class in the history of ever makes me want to smack all of them with the business end of a claw hammer.

They “won”…. because the Democratic voters sat home like spoiled children. Yes, it sucks and it’s annoying. But, the reality is that republican voters are sending people [back] to DC who will not do anything in terms of actual legislation. The biggest downside is not chairing committees and setting the agenda for those committees.

343 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:22:29am

Hillary must be heartbroken.

344 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 9:23:14am

re: #343 Vicious Piebola

Hillary must be heartbroken.

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Chuck C and Glenn G are fighting over the same audience.

345 Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2014 9:24:17am

re: #344 bill d

Chuck C and Glenn G are fighting over the same audience.

Indeed. There’s a narrow divide between the Wingnuts and the Dudebros.

346 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 9:24:54am

re: #343 Vicious Piebola

Hillary must be heartbroken.

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Now that Cook is gone Glenn is going to spam that kind of sh*t all over that sinking ship.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2014 9:25:06am
348 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:26:41am

ANALOGIES, HOW THE FUCK DO THEY WORK?

349 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 9:28:45am

re: #342 Dr. Matt

They “won”…. because the Democratic voters sat home like spoiled children. Yes, it sucks and it’s annoying. But, the reality is that republican voters are sending people [back] to DC who will not do anything in terms of actual legislation. The biggest downside is not chairing committees and setting the agenda for those committees.

I don’t think voters sat around like spoiled children. They did what most Dem voters always do—find something “better” to do.

350 Lancelot Link  Nov 14, 2014 9:30:41am

re: #343 Vicious Piebola

I’m sure he would say the same about any Democrat likely to be running.

351 lawhawk  Nov 14, 2014 9:31:02am
352 Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2014 9:33:35am

re: #348 Vicious Piebola

ANALOGIES, HOW THE FUCK DO THEY WORK?

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And what do you want to bet the odds are that, much like most of those ranting and raving against witches in the 17th century, Paige has never personally been near a fracking operation and thus has no clue just how noxious or polluting it is?

353 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 9:34:14am

re: #349 Mike Lamb

I don’t think voters sat around like spoiled children. They did what most Dem voters always do—find something “better” to do.

Different people have different hobbies. It behooves us to convince the kids that saving civilization is a useful one.

354 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 9:34:15am

re: #343 Vicious Piebola

Hillary must be heartbroken.

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I read Glenn’s article and, honestly, there is a lot higher quality of Hillary bashing done at DailyKos than that scatter-shot, hastily put together, deflectionary, cookie-cutter hit piece.

355 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 9:38:13am

re:
#343

Hillary Clinton is a “soulless, principle-free, power-hungry veteran of DC’s game of thrones,” says

—-

Pierre: You guys need to be hipper, more witty, tuned into popular culture and all that. Can’t you work in something about ‘Game of Thrones’? All the cool kids love it.

356 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:38:29am

re: #352 Targetpractice

And what do you want to bet the odds are that, much like most of those ranting and raving against witches in the 17th century, Paige has never personally been near a fracking operation and thus has no clue just how noxious or polluting it is?

HURR HURR JRRBS!!!!!11!1

357 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:39:06am
358 ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2014 9:40:31am

re: #337 Kryptik

I can’t help but despair over this shit, because of just how easily people fucking buy into it, and yet anything from someone left of Limbaugh is a vicious commie lie unless you give proof in triplicate and a note from your doctor, and even then.

The fact that these assholes are winning makes me despondent. THe fact that they act like they’re the most super-aggrieved and persecuted class in the history of ever makes me want to smack all of them with the business end of a claw hammer.

At this time, and keeping in context your comment I am having a tough time deciding which end of a claw hammer is the business end.

I don’t think you are pulling nails, so bashing it must be. I understand.

So, really what will hurt the most and do the most damage…the strike head or the claw?

///

359 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 9:41:57am

re:
#357

Head “men’s rights activists” argues women should be completely excluded from all important work.

That Phylis Schlafly, so cutting edge.

360 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 9:43:27am

re: #355 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#343

Hillary Clinton is a “soulless, principle-free, power-hungry veteran of DC’s game of thrones,” says

—-

Pierre: You guys need to be hipper, more witty, tuned into popular culture and all that. Can’t you work in something about ‘Game of Thrones’? All the cool kids love it.

PIERRE CARES ABOUT INCOME INEQUALITY OR HE WOULDN’T HAVE RETWEETED THIS!!

361 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:44:17am

What is this TShirtGhazi that has Teh Twitters in a frenzy?

362 bill d  Nov 14, 2014 9:44:35am

re: #360 bill d

PIERRE CARES ABOUT INCOME INEQUALITY OR HE WOULDN’T HAVE RETWEETED THIS!!

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Or he may just be rubbing it in, I’m not sure?

363 ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2014 9:46:49am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Don’t bitch, organize. There are people out there now planning to screw these idiots in 2016.

I agree Deb. As a freelance designer I am trying to get hooked up with Democrats for the next election cycle to see if I can lend a hand with campaign materials…like mailers, signs, etc.

I saw Columbus Mayor Mike Coleman at the downtown Krogers and got some names. I will be contacting them and pressing as hard as I can to help and maybe make a few bucks too…though I know it could be low pay.

And Deb…you and others have seen some of my p’shops around here…if I can ever help anyone with anything graphic related I’m all in. Let me know and I’ll put up some link to my web site so people can contact me.

364 Kragar  Nov 14, 2014 9:47:03am

re: #361 Vicious Piebola

What is this TShirtGhazi that has Teh Twitters in a frenzy?

Who cares? Seriously

365 Kragar  Nov 14, 2014 9:48:42am

Unless they mean the Patriot’s jersey thing, because that is just hilarious

366 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:48:42am

re: #364 Kragar

Who cares? Seriously

A sudden new shiny to distract from GRUBERGHAZI!!!!!1!!!!!

367 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 14, 2014 9:49:15am

Gruber is trending…

369 lawhawk  Nov 14, 2014 9:52:54am

That’s a ruling from the DC Court of Appeals, which found that the Administration met its threshold for the birth control mandate under the ACA.

And you can be sure that the right wingers will be breathing fire and brimstone over this as well. Along with wishing that Halbig brings down the ACA in the states where the feds are running exchanges because the GOPers in those states refused to do so.

370 Kragar  Nov 14, 2014 9:53:03am

re: #367 NJDhockeyfan

Gruber is trending…

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371 Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2014 9:53:37am

re: #363 ObserverArt

I agree Deb. As a freelance designer I am trying to get hooked up with Democrats for the next election cycle to see if I can lend a hand with campaign materials…like mailers, signs, etc.

I saw Columbus Mayor Mike Coleman at the downtown Krogers and got some names. I will be contacting them and pressing as hard as I can to help and maybe make a few bucks too…though I know it could be low pay.

And Deb…you and others have seen some of my p’shops around here…if I can ever help anyone with anything graphic related I’m all in. Let me know and I’ll put up some link to my web site so people can contact me.

Exploiting the flexibility of electrons, you could work up a unifying theme that can be customized down to the precinct level. The direction pointed out by the OFA votebuilder effort emphasizes extreme local pinpoint action. To do that you need to be plugged into a project that has access to the votebuilder replacement DB.

372 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 14, 2014 9:57:40am
373 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 9:57:44am

re: #363 ObserverArt

I agree Deb. As a freelance designer I am trying to get hooked up with Democrats for the next election cycle to see if I can lend a hand with campaign materials…like mailers, signs, etc.

I saw Columbus Mayor Mike Coleman at the downtown Krogers and got some names. I will be contacting them and pressing as hard as I can to help and maybe make a few bucks too…though I know it could be low pay.

And Deb…you and others have seen some of my p’shops around here…if I can ever help anyone with anything graphic related I’m all in. Let me know and I’ll put up some link to my web site so people can contact me.

As a professional Photoshopper, which image is more shopped, Kim K’s front & back, or Dana Loesch’s book cover?

374 lawhawk  Nov 14, 2014 9:58:09am

re: #370 Kragar

Simon Says…. /

375 Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2014 9:58:19am

re: #357 Vicious Piebola

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Paul Elam must piss excellence…

376 ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2014 10:17:32am

re: #373 Vicious Piebola

As a professional Photoshopper, which image is more shopped, Kim K’s front & back, or Dana Loesch’s book cover?

I’d like to see larger/higher res images, but if done properly it really is hard to say. The only real way to know would be to see the originals.

From the images I’ve seen on the net…I’d say both have been reworked. Kim K’s waist looks freakishly small to me. She has a small waist compared to that behind, but not that small. And Loesch’s whole backside looks heavily reworked. So, I guess I’d say both are about the same.

What is funny…one wants the emphasis on a big butt, and the other doesn’t. I think there is some kind of a social statement going on with all that.

And one always need to count in Kanye West and what part he played into the whole thing with Kim’s images.

377 #FergusonFireside  Nov 14, 2014 10:17:49am

re: #368 Kragar

Patriots Drop the Ball With Social Media Campaign that Turned Racist

That was horrible.

378 krypto  Nov 14, 2014 10:18:27am

Fox and the rest of the rightwing propaganda machine are timing their propaganda blitz against the Affordable Care Act to coincide with the start of open enrollment tomorrow, November 15.

One obvious motive for doing this would be to try to discourage enrollment, and thereby to help undermine the value and effectiveness of the law.

379 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 10:20:04am

re: #376 ObserverArt

I’d like to see larger/higher res images, but if done properly it really is hard to say. The only real way to know would be to see the originals.

From the images I’ve seen on the net…I’d say both have been reworked. Kim K’s waist looks freakishly small to me. She has a small waist compared to that behind, but not that small. And Loesch’s whole backside looks heavily reworked. So, I guess I’d say both are about the same.

What is funny…one wants the emphasis on a big butt, and the other doesn’t. I think there is some kind of a social statement going on with all that.

And one always need to count in Kanye West and what part he played into the whole thing with Kim’s images.

I think with Kim K they weren’t even trying for anything “realistic” but Dana’s book cover just looks like a really bad ‘shop.

380 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 10:20:07am

re: #376 ObserverArt

What is funny…one wants the emphasis on a big butt, and the other doesn’t. I think there is some kind of a social statement going on with all that.

I just thought of the Loesch pic as two giant asses in the same shot.

381 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 10:21:41am

I think eventually the unretouched Kim K photos might be released into the wild but they will try to make it look like they were “hacked”

382 Vicious Piebola  Nov 14, 2014 10:22:44am

And even those will be heavily ‘shopped.

383 Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2014 10:22:53am

re: #376 ObserverArt

Kim K’s photos were done by Jean-Paul Goude, who most famously did the cover of the Grace Jones Island Life album.

That famous image was done with Goude’s well-known ‘cut and paint’ technique, back in the pre-Photoshop days.

384 EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2014 10:23:46am

re: #288 Mike Lamb

It’s shocking to me that distribution of electoral votes would be left to the states. And I’d think the proposed plan would arguably be unconstitutional as it would gut the concept of 1 person, 1 vote.

I think any constitution based argument against this is a total non-starter.

1) Nebraska and Maine have been apportioning their electoral votes by congressional district for some time now, with no apparent constitutional challenge.

2) There simply is no US constitutional right to vote for POTUS. The state legislatures can do as they please.

385 Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2014 10:26:32am

re: #378 krypto

Fox and the rest of the rightwing propaganda machine are timing their propaganda blitz against the Affordable Care Act to coincide with the start of open enrollment tomorrow, November 15.

One obvious motive for doing this would be to try to discourage enrollment, and thereby to help undermine the value and effectiveness of the law.

No surprise there. With the new Congress officially meeting in two months, I imagine one of the first items on the agenda will be a much ballyhooed full repeal vote, if only to see which Democrats they feel can be swayed to help them in chipping away at the law.

386 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 14, 2014 10:27:08am

re: #384 EPR-radar

I think any constitution based argument against this is a total non-starter.

1) Nebraska and Maine have been apportioning their electoral votes by congressional district for some time now, with no apparent constitutional challenge.

2) There simply is no US constitutional right to vote for POTUS. The state legislatures can do as they please.

True. About all you can do is short-circuit any claim that splitting them as currently being brought up is based on principles or promoting better representation of the voters. If that was the true reason for the bills they already would have passed them in Texas, Tennessee, etc. where there are Republican majorities.

That this is only coming up in blue majority states that currently have red majority state legislatures makes very clear that this is just about getting and maintaining power - principles have nothing to do with it.

387 Kryptik  Nov 14, 2014 10:28:15am

re: #338 Decatur Deb
re: #342 Dr. Matt

I wouldn’t be quite so despondent if attempts to actually promote and convince people of the virtues of anything on the left didn’t seem send them screaming rightward either out of sheer spite or contrarianism, because anything a leftist would promote has to be super evil. Nor am I terribly enthused by our ‘leaders’ who basically did everything they could to ensure the Dem brand came off as even more toxic than even Reps could do.

Enthusiasm and activism has to come from the ground up, but the franchise is top-down.

re: #358 ObserverArt

That, I’m still trying to decide myself. I’m leaning toward the claw end, though.

388 Kragar  Nov 14, 2014 10:29:17am
389 EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2014 10:30:32am

re: #386 Feline Fearless Leader

True. About all you can do is short-circuit any claim that splitting them as currently being brought up is based on principles or promoting better representation of the voters. If that was the true reason for the bills they already would have passed them in Texas, Tennessee, etc. where there are Republican majorities.

That this is only coming up in blue majority states that currently have red majority state legislatures makes very clear that this is just about getting and maintaining power - principles have nothing to do with it.

Absolutely. It will be interesting to see if the GOP can resist the temptation to give themselves electoral votes in 2016 in the blue states that they rule.

It could easily win the election for them, but I’d hope the backlash from such a cynical power grab would finally drive a wedge between the RWNJ true believers and their moderate enablers.

390 Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2014 10:33:32am

re: #388 Kragar

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I wonder which side the cops will be on?

391 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2014 10:34:20am
392 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2014 10:34:32am

re: #386 Feline Fearless Leader

True. About all you can do is short-circuit any claim that splitting them as currently being brought up is based on principles or promoting better representation of the voters. If that was the true reason for the bills they already would have passed them in Texas, Tennessee, etc. where there are Republican majorities.

That this is only coming up in blue majority states that currently have red majority state legislatures makes very clear that this is just about getting and maintaining power - principles have nothing to do with it.

Remember, these are the same folks who were saying the EC’s time had passed back in 2000 when they feared that Bush could win the popular vote and lose the EC. They were preparing to argue that such a win would make Gore’s Presidency illegitimate.

Now they want to game the system to disconnect the EC from the popular vote EVEN MORE than it already is. To claim that’s for any democratic principle is transparently bullshit.

393 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 14, 2014 10:35:13am

re: #375 Mike Lamb

Paul Elam must piss excellence…

Clickhole has a bead on MRA “excellence.”

This Might Not Be ‘Politically Correct’ Enough For You Overly Sensitive Social Justice Warriors, But All Of The Planets Are Men

394 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 10:38:35am

re: #393 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

“Venus is a man with a booming deep voice.”

That ain’t the way I heard it. What a fucking tool.

395 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 14, 2014 10:42:43am

re: #389 EPR-radar

Absolutely. It will be interesting to see if the GOP can resist the temptation to give themselves electoral votes in 2016 in the blue states that they rule.

It could easily win the election for them, but I’d hope the backlash from such a cynical power grab would finally drive a wedge between the RWNJ true believers and their moderate enablers.

The other tipping point to watch for is when the Democrat side finally decides that it truly means war, stops even talking about compromise, and the current political process in the US totally polarizes.

I expect a Hillary victory in 2016 after the massive electoral warfare will be followed by her making a statement to the GOP leadership that while couched in diplomatic words essentially translates as “go to hell”.

396 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 14, 2014 10:44:12am

re: #388 Kragar

Police Chief seem to be having a press confernce now. I’m not listening, but from responses from the #FergusonFireside team, seem to be all lies from the pit of hell out of the mouths of authorities.

397 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 10:45:15am

re: #393 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

Clickhole has a bead on MRA “excellence.”

This Might Not Be ‘Politically Correct’ Enough For You Overly Sensitive Social Justice Warriors, But All Of The Planets Are Men

That is great.

398 Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2014 10:45:46am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Before Clinton, impeachment was treated as a grave thing, that taking that step meant a president’s actions were so irredeemable that there was no choice but for Congress to remove him from office.

After Clinton, it became the punchline to a bad joke, viewed less as the final step and more as just another tool to be used by the party no in the White House to fuck with the party that is.

399 Kragar  Nov 14, 2014 10:47:25am

re: #390 Skip Intro

I wonder which side the cops will be on?

Not much to wonder there.

Ku Klux Klan leader defends threat of ‘lethal force’ against Ferguson ‘terrorists’

…Ancona stumbled after telling Hayes that he has had off-the-record conversations with police regarding the ongoing tension in the region.

“A lot of them are very frustrated with how the governor has sided with the criminals in a lot of instances,” Ancona said.

“Wait a second,” Hayes said, interjecting. “You have law enforcement talking to you off the record, confiding in you as a Grand Wizard of the KKK? You’re telling me that you have local law enforcement talking to you, personally, off the record?”

“I’m telling you, I have friends who know people in law enforcement,” Ancona replied, backtracking. “Let’s just put it that way.”

400 Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2014 10:47:50am

re: #396 nearly-headless smith25

Police Chief seem to be having a press confernce now. I’m not listening, but from responses from the #FergusonFireside team, seem to be all lies from the pit of hell out of the mouths of authorities.

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Part of me wonders if the authorities in StL are purposefully stoking anger and resentment amongst the locals in anticipation of a failure to indict, if only to smother any talk of a miscarriage of justice under assertions of “mob justice.” That their decision not to indict is “right” because they can’t allow themselves to be swayed by angry locals “rioting.”

401 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 10:49:22am

Speaking of Ferguson. Has it be totally debunked yet that Brown went for Wilson’s gun? I ask because I got some debunking to do.

402 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 10:50:19am

And I am sick of the black community being chastised for being angry at the lack of justice. This isn’t the first time a white police officer has shot and killed a black person and gotten off scot free.

403 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 14, 2014 10:52:38am

re: #400 Targetpractice

Part of me wonders if the authorities in StL are purposefully stoking anger and resentment amongst the locals in anticipation of a failure to indict, if only to smother any talk of a miscarriage of justice under assertions of “mob justice.” That their decision not to indict is “right” because they can’t allow themselves to be swayed by angry locals “rioting.”

No doubt about it. No matter what happens, the setup to blame the community is in place. Some of the national media has already bought into it. CNN has been particularly bad.

404 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 10:53:12am

re:
#402

You blahs stop being angry!!! Violence (from you) won’t be tolerated no matter what!!!!

405 Franklin  Nov 14, 2014 10:53:16am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

And I am sick of the black community being chastised for being angry at the lack of justice. This isn’t the first time a white police officer has shot and killed a black person and gotten off scot free this year.

Added a little to the end to emphasize the point.

406 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 10:54:52am

re: #405 Franklin

Added a little to the end to emphasize the point.

Yep. I mean it’s textbook white privilege frankly to say “Just cooperate with the police and they’ll leave you alone.” I thankfully have never been harassed by the police but that doesn’t mean it never happens to people.

407 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 10:54:59am

re: #400 Targetpractice

Part of me wonders if the authorities in StL are purposefully stoking anger and resentment amongst the locals in anticipation of a failure to indict, if only to smother any talk of a miscarriage of justice under assertions of “mob justice.” That their decision not to indict is “right” because they can’t allow themselves to be swayed by angry locals “rioting.”

The authorities there from the Ferguson chief of police on up to the officialdom of St. Louis County are all in this up to their necks. They will do whatever it takes to appear to be victims.

408 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 14, 2014 10:55:15am

re:
#401

Speaking of Ferguson. Has it be totally debunked yet that Brown went for Wilson’s gun? I ask because I got some debunking to do.

Brown went for his gun and also punched him and blew out his eye socket Here is File Foto which everyone has seened!!!!

409 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 14, 2014 10:56:55am

The tweets that follow in his timeline give you the witnesses and multiple interviews given. If there is no indictment, there is no Justice. People are not even protesting for a verdict, just a trial.

410 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 11:02:06am

re: #408 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#401

Brown went for his gun and also punched him and blew out his eye socket Here is File Foto which everyone has seened!!!!

Heh. I am serious though. I really need to blow some proven bs up.

411 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 14, 2014 11:03:18am

re: #409 nearly-headless smith25

The tweets that follow in his timeline give you the witnesses and multiple interviews given. If there is no indictment, there is no Justice. People are not even protesting for a verdict, just a trial.

And how many of those eyewitness accounts were taken into evidence by authorities and given to that grand jury? If the first link of the chain doesn’t happen it pretty much doesn’t exist as far as the grand jury is concerned.

412 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 11:06:54am

re: #409 nearly-headless smith25

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The tweets that follow in his timeline give you the witnesses and multiple interviews given. If there is no indictment, there is no Justice. People are not even protesting for a verdict, just a trial.

I think that it’s heartbreaking that some of us still believe that things like facts, justice, eyewitness accounts, will convince the pig-ignorant bigots of anything other than that they’re the real victims here.

413 ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2014 11:09:28am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

And I am sick of the black community being chastised for being angry at the lack of justice. This isn’t the first time a white police officer has shot and killed a black person and gotten off scot free.

Anymore it seems that you could swap out ‘angry black man’ for angry white man and it’d probably be more factual.

And what are ‘angry white men’ pissed off about? I guess all the trumped up bullshit that the TeaParty types and then the mainstream conservatives that decided to bring the TeaParty along as a part of their base drummed up. Much of it having nothing to do with reality. And of course they got even more angry because of black president.

The African Americans have plenty to be upset with, but I fear the real trouble would come form the ‘angry white man.’ Which just means that if the bomb is lit it is going to go off big time.

I really do fear Ferguson could become the fuse that leads to troubles this country hasn’t seen since the 65 through 67 or so race riots.

I hope I am wrong.

414 allegro  Nov 14, 2014 11:13:32am

re: #413 ObserverArt

I really do fear Ferguson could become the fuse that leads to troubles this country hasn’t seen since the 65 through 67 or so race riots.

I hope I am wrong.

I think that is exactly where this is headed. I also think it’s quite deliberate. It’s sickening.

415 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 11:19:19am

re: #413 ObserverArt

Anymore it seems that you could swap out ‘angry black man’ for angry white man and it’d probably be more factual.

And what are ‘angry white men’ pissed off about? I guess all the trumped up bullshit that the TeaParty types and then the mainstream conservatives that decided to bring the TeaParty along as a part of their base drummed up. Much of it having nothing to do with reality. And of course they got even more angry because of black president.

The African Americans have plenty to be upset with, but I fear the real trouble would come form the ‘angry white man.’ Which just means that if the bomb is lit it is going to go off big time.

I really do fear Ferguson could become the fuse that leads to troubles this country hasn’t seen since the 65 through 67 or so race riots.

I hope I am wrong.

I hope you are wrong too. History’s got a cruel way of repeating itself though. And I agree with that the real trouble will come from the angry white male type.

416 Jenner7  Nov 14, 2014 12:17:07pm

re: #321 Vicious Piebola

Then why did Republicans cut food stamps??? Idiots.

417 Swift2991  Nov 14, 2014 6:10:43pm

Imagine that, legislation written with a bit of cirumlocution. Imagine, until the “Patriot Act,” Republicans never authored any deceptive bills!


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