Friday Night Acoustic: Trevor Gordon Hall, “Turning Ruts Into Grooves”

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“Turning Ruts Into Grooves” From the album entitled “Mind Heart Fingers”
played on a custom Schwartz guitar designed by luthier Sheldon Schwartz
and Trevor Gordon Hall

CD & Guitar Tabs available at
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151 comments
1 teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2014 8:48:13pm

The acoustic guitar tag at LGF is one of my favorite things on the internet.

Thank you Charles. You do good.

2 Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2014 8:48:24pm

‘Obama’s insurance policy’: DC chuckles after GOP congressman rules out impeaching Obama because - ‘Have you met Joe Biden?’

That’s one way to knock out impeachment rumors. :D

3 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 8:50:49pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

‘Obama’s insurance policy’: DC chuckles after GOP congressman rules out impeaching Obama because - ‘Have you met Joe Biden?’

That’s one way to knock out impeachment rumors. :D

Well that’s one guy. You got plenty of others threatening impeachment over the immigration executive action and despite the snark about Biden, I actually think he would make a better president than people realize. He may come off as a fool but Biden’s someone that would I think surprise his detractors if he had to assume the high office. There’s a reason why Obama chose him as his running mate. I’d take Biden as president over any Republican in Congress today and I don’t think I am alone in feeling that way. Should also add that Trey Gowdy making cracks about anyone amuses me. A two term Congressman who benefited from the TP wave of fear and loathing should realize that Biden is someone who has served in the federal government for over 40 years now and has more experience in his fingertips than Gowdy does in his whole body.

4 dholmes32  Nov 14, 2014 8:54:35pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I’d take Biden as president over any Republican in Congress today and I don’t think I am alone in feeling that way.

Biden knows everyone and he’d be formidable as President, IMHO. But let’s see if there are enough stupid and/or racist legislators who want to impeach Obama for nothing.

5 Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2014 8:57:32pm

Friday night news dump.

DOT: New fees, tax hikes totaling $750 million needed for roads

Gov. Scott Walker’s transportation secretary on Friday recommended boosting taxes and fees by more than $750 million over two years to help pay for roadwork.

The proposal comes at a time when Walker and Republican lawmakers have said they want to find new money to pay for roads, but have expressed a reluctance to increase taxes. They are expected to spend the coming months debating how to fund the Zoo Interchange, Hoan Bridge and other major projects when revenue from the gas tax has been stagnant.

The plan from Transportation Secretary Mark Gottlieb includes raising the gas tax by restructuring how it is calculated; imposing a new fee on vehicle purchases; placing an additional fee on hybrid and electric vehicles; and transferring money from the state’s main account to pay for highways.

6 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 8:57:48pm

re: #4 dholmes32

Biden knows everyone and he’d be formidable as President, IMHO. But let’s see if there are enough stupid and/or racist legislators who want to impeach Obama for nothing.

Oh no doubt. I don’t think they’re going to be stupid and bigoted enough to impeach him if only for self preservation but yes Biden would make a formidable president. I mean this isn’t Spiro Agnew or Dan Quayle we’re talking here. We’re talking about a man who has over 40 years of experience in the federal government and has chaired two very important Senate committees plus has a rare personal touch. He’ll say a lot of things that make people go “WTF Joe” but he’d be a good president.

7 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 8:58:36pm

re: #5 Amory Blaine

Friday night news dump.

DOT: New fees, tax hikes totaling $750 million needed for roads

Watch Governor Wanker try to blame any tax increase on Democrats.

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2014 9:06:01pm

I think they’ll still go for impeachment. They know they wouldn’t succeed in removing him from office but they also know how much it would electrify the base. I’d be stunned if they didn’t. I’m predicting Impeachment by the House before July of next year.

9 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 9:08:53pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

I expect there to be a lot of air about the issue. Perhaps John the Orange comes to a back-room arrangement, where there is never filed any formal papers for impeachments, but this or that committee will hold sessions to explore this or that supposedly impeachable offense.

It’s BENGHAZI!!! all the way down.

10 HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2014 9:09:43pm

re: #9 freetoken

I expect there to be a lot of air about the issue. Perhaps John the Orange comes to a back-room arrangement, where there is never filed any formal papers for impeachments, but this or that committee will hold sessions to explore this or that supposedly impeachable offense.

It’s BENGHAZI!!! all the way down.

Boehner trying to play it both ways out of political preservation? Yeah I totally expect that.

11 teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2014 9:20:38pm

Almost 2,500 nuclear explosions have happened on Earth’s surface and atmosphere.

12 Jenner7  Nov 14, 2014 9:25:22pm
13 De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2014 9:26:00pm


The European Space and Song Competition Agency reports that the latest transmission of the pilot of the Rosetta spacecraft was “Nip it! Nip it in the bud!”
Youtube Video

14 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 9:26:52pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

I think they’ll still go for impeachment. They know they wouldn’t succeed in removing him from office but they also know how much it would electrify the base. I’d be stunned if they didn’t. I’m predicting Impeachment by the House before July of next year.

The Tea Party knotheads all know that if they fail to bring Articles of Impeachment against Obama they’ll get knocked out of office by someone more spittle-flecked than they are in the next election. It’s Game On or the next Speaker will be one of Ted Cruz’ ball-lickers.

15 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 9:27:03pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

‘Obama’s insurance policy’: DC chuckles after GOP congressman rules out impeaching Obama because - ‘Have you met Joe Biden?’

That’s one way to knock out impeachment rumors. :D

Trey Gowdy calling Biden a clown? That’s rich. Have any of you met Trey Gowdy? Talk about a real life Bozo.

16 Ace-o-aces  Nov 14, 2014 9:30:12pm

re: #12 Jenner7

Of course he’ll be returned to active duty. Why, I’m surprised he hasn’t been given a show on Fox News yet.

17 teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2014 9:33:16pm

Yeah. There’s absolutely no sin and debauchery occurring in this picture. None. Clean as a whistle. Pure as the driving snow.

18 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 14, 2014 9:34:08pm

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Of course he’ll be returned to active duty. Why, I’m surprised he hasn’t been given a show on Fox News yet.

“Stay tuned for “Dick Dynasty” starring Officer Darren Wilson.”

19 Ace-o-aces  Nov 14, 2014 9:35:19pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Watch Governor Wanker try to blame any tax increase on Democrats.

Wait, you mean that even if you clap your hands and say repeatedly, “I believe in the invisible hand, I believe in the invisible hand” that magical, libertarian infrastructure varies won’t build the roads for you?

20 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 9:35:22pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I would call Joe Biden Nobody’s Fool. He’s blunt. He’s often unfiltered, but he’s smart and he’s sincere. (I’m agreeing with you, by the way—just expounding.)

I defy anyone to watch this Biden speech to the TAPS families and tell me the guy isn’t wonderful.

Youtube Video

21 Ace-o-aces  Nov 14, 2014 9:36:55pm

re: #18 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Stay tuned for “Dick Dynasty” starring Officer Darren Wilson.”

He could have a show with Zimmerman where they teach people how to defend themselves from unarmed black kids.

22 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 9:37:10pm

re: #13 De Kolta Chair

BTW, talked to my aged mother about her work, in regards to that B-36 pic you posted downstairs.

She states she did work for Convair when Truman was President, and that the ‘big ones’ (by which I think she meant the B-36, but perhaps others) would come in for “rework” after a while, meaning they needed repairs. She said that she was quite impressed with the size of the biggest aircraft.

Also, she noted that when Convair lost a major contract that most of the people she worked with were laid off, but she was one of 5 who wasn’t, but she didn’t want to stay.

23 De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2014 9:38:52pm

re: #22 freetoken

BTW, talked to my aged mother about her work, in regards to that B-36 pic you posted downstairs.

Very interesting, and I salute your mom!

24 De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2014 9:42:26pm

re: #17 teleskiguy


Oh, those kwazy kids!

25 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 14, 2014 9:43:11pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

‘Obama’s insurance policy’: DC chuckles after GOP congressman rules out impeaching Obama because - ‘Have you met Joe Biden?’

That’s one way to knock out impeachment rumors. :D

I’ll take goofy vice president over Terrifying Vice President Who Thinks Women Aren’t Really People And Sees No Contradiction Between Ayn Rand And Jesus (And Can’t Do Math).

To say nothing of Terrifying Grifter-Slash-Christian Nationalist Nutbag Vice President.

26 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 9:44:46pm

Marvin Olasky has dedicated the latest edition of his magazine to attacking Biologos and the encroachment of evolution into the church.

Given that Olasky’s career has been significantly enhanced by $$$ from Howard Ahmanson Jr. it’s not unexpected that the IDiots would get a voice in the latest articles:

Interpretive dance

Unscientific method

The Olasky hit-men/women here of course are not about to acknowledge that they have to tow the party line for Olasky.

27 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 9:47:21pm

re: #23 De Kolta Chair

The aircraft industry locally used to hire lots of young women for the detail work, as well for the usual clerical/office jobs. After the big aircraft contracts were lost they tried to convert my mother from soldering/assembling to office work, but she didn’t want to do that, so she says she left.

28 De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2014 9:49:28pm


It’s elementary, my dear Watson, I’ve got to drag my tired arse to bed.

29 teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2014 9:50:38pm
30 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 9:51:19pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

You should put that image in a reply tweet.

31 teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2014 9:52:56pm

re: #30 freetoken

You should put that image in a reply tweet.

OK.

32 Ace-o-aces  Nov 14, 2014 9:55:14pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

I think he’s trying to be sarcastic.

33 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 9:56:47pm

re: #32 Ace-o-aces

It looks like a parody account, of some sort.

34 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 10:05:01pm

Tonight’s Dare: Watch today’s edition of GOHMERT! and see how long you can last:

Youtube Video

It includes an objection to the Muslim led prayer today at the National Cathedral.

35 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 10:09:32pm

re: #34 freetoken

Tonight’s Dare: Watch today’s edition of GOHMERT! and see how long you can last:

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It includes an objection to the Muslim led prayer today at the National Cathedral.

I only got as far as reading the “transcript” at Wonkette, where they substituted a lot of blah blah blah for his actual wordlike utterances.

36 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 14, 2014 10:09:59pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

No, wait—Let’s look at this from a different angle.

So the movement to impeachment is guignol comedy gold. It’s got the surreal irrational quality of an all-clown orgy where everyone talks dirty using those Harpo Marx air horns while Alex Jones provides narration for the audience.

And this guy is like “yeah, it’s a heaving mound of greasepaint and cum, and the screeching airhorns will forever haunt the dreams of everyone within a five-mile radius, and Alex Jones screams FALSE FLAG over and over, and the incestuous clown-offspring are basically unspeakable blancmanges incapable of leaving the orgy-pile, but JOE BIDEN amiright folks! He’s gaffe prone!”

37 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 10:10:11pm

Yes, Gohmert was reading into the record of someone (who must be important because he has a Ph.D.) who writes for the Bratfarts.

38 teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2014 10:12:26pm

@fart is one of the founding fathers of “Weird Twitter.”

Frankly, my absolute favorite Weird Twitter is @dril. There’s always some pretty out-there stuff in that feed.

39 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 10:21:04pm

Obviously, Bill Maher needs to review the 5-minute rule regarding Rand Paul. (If you listen to Crazy Uncle Liberty (!), Senator Aqua Buddha, or their disciples for five minutes, you find yourself nodding in agreement with almost everything they say. At precisely the 5:01 mark, however, the person to whom you’re listening will say something that detaches the entire conversation from the plane of physical reality and sends it sailing off into the ether.)

On tonight’s show, Maher was telling the presumptive presidential candidate that with the right answer on climate change, “you could get independents like me.”

“I am available to the Rand Paul campaign,” Maher said. “But not if I don’t think you’re seeing this issue realistically.”

Paul admitted that there is “abundant evidence that carbon is increasing and has been increasing…Rand continued on before depicting concerns over climate change as a “religiosity” at which point Maher interrupted him saying, “Okay, you had me, but now you’re losing me.”

40 Jenner7  Nov 14, 2014 10:29:13pm

re: #39 BeachDem

I can’t believe he’s even considering Rand Paul. Ugh.

41 teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2014 10:31:21pm

re: #39 BeachDem

It was a ball-washing through and through.

Bill Maher is funny, I laugh at his jokes. But he lost me when he embraced the Greenwald/Snowden nonsense.

42 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 10:37:13pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

It was a ball-washing through and through.

Bill Maher is funny, I laugh at his jokes. But he lost me when he embraced the Greenwald/Snowden nonsense.

And the anti-vax crap. And his love for Darrell Issa.

I can barely watch his show anymore—actually, I haven’t watched it in several months as he’s gone more and more down the dudebro path.

43 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 10:54:50pm

This one goes out to our friend, GOHMERT!, and all those who keep re-electing him:

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44 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 10:59:36pm

Attributed to the Dick Robertson Orchestra, though I think it is from before he found a bit of fame in his later years:

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45 BeachDem  Nov 14, 2014 11:13:26pm

Uh oh, Glenn Beck is going to be giving Kirk Cameron a run for his money with Christmas movies:

‘The Immortal’ turns Santa Claus into the warrior protector of a young Jesus Christ […]
It’s a gritty action-adventure film that marries a rugged version of Santa Claus with the eternal story of Jesus Christ. It is unlike any movie faith film ever conceived, combining the greatest story Glenn has ever conceived with mind-blowing production value.

If Glenn didn’t have you at Gritty action-adventure Santa Claus reboot, there’s no hope for you.

dailykos.com

46 freetoken  Nov 14, 2014 11:27:33pm

re: #45 BeachDem

Here’s a gritty, Rambo-Santa for Glenn:

MP3 Audio

47 Kragar  Nov 14, 2014 11:33:09pm
48 Kragar  Nov 14, 2014 11:34:26pm

Netflix already has Peaky Blinders season 2! I thought I was going to have to wait months. Sweet.

49 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 1:07:59am

One observation about Christmas music: today it seems like the music we hear played is from a very small song-book, with a handful of songs being covered over and over.

But it wasn’t always that way. There has been so many “Christmas” songs written and performed that we probably couldn’t count them all, and as a genre was used to provide an outlet for songs which embodied other ideas.

Here’s a rarely heard tune, from Lynne Richards,

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Lynne had other Christmas songs, which got positive reviews in Billboard in 1955.

More music has been recorded (and even more written) than we could ever listen to, which makes me wonder about what it means for our society today to be so fixated on such a small Christmas songbook.

50 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 2:26:50am

MP3 Audio

51 Lidane  Nov 15, 2014 3:50:02am

re: #4 dholmes32

But let’s see if there are enough stupid and/or racist legislators who want to impeach Obama for nothing.

Oh, there’s plenty of those in the House. Impeachment is all but inevitable at this point. Removing Obama from office, however, is another story.

The GOP might want to pander to their drooling redneck Tea Party base by impeaching Obama over some imagined cause, but even they know there are no high crimes or misdemeanors, so removing POTUS from office isn’t going to happen. And do they really want to go into another Presidential election season with another impeachment of another Democrat over some puffed up fuckery?

52 Lidane  Nov 15, 2014 3:58:31am
53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 15, 2014 4:10:10am

re: #52 Lidane

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Boehner played along with them once on shutdown, now he will be unable to keep them from trying it again and again until they “succeed”.

54 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 4:11:20am

One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result each time.

55 Lidane  Nov 15, 2014 4:22:46am

re: #54 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result each time.

Related:

56 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 4:34:25am

re: #55 Lidane

The GOP political equivalent of holding a gun to the head of a hostage and threatening to pull the trigger if their demands are not met.

And then pulling the trigger.

57 lawhawk  Nov 15, 2014 5:13:54am

re: #12 Jenner7

Ferguson PD finally got around to addressing one of the FOIAs, and released tapes from the events leading up to the fatal shots and moments after the shots were fired.

Some of this fleshes out the timeline further, but we’ve got a couple of key details.

Wilson shot and killed Brown less than 2 minutes after he rolled up on Brown and Johnson.

Forty-one seconds after Wilson’s call, unit 25 reported that he was about to arrive at Wilson’s location, saying he was “going out on Canfield” and accompanied by the sound of his racing engine.

Forty-eight seconds later, another officer had arrived or was about to, announcing, “22’s out.”

At 12:03 p.m., an eyewitness to the shooting Tweeted:

If his smartphone’s clock, or Twitter’s, agreed with the clock on dispatch records, Brown was killed less than 61 seconds after the dispatcher acknowledged that Wilson had stopped two men.

At one minute, 13 seconds after Wilson’s call, an unidentified officer has arrived and asks, “Where’s the other one?” referring to Johnson.

Eleven seconds later, there’s a brief burst of static and an unintelligible bit of speech. A dispatcher responds, “10-4 on Canfield.”

Twenty seconds later, unit 25 called in to ask if the dispatcher could send a supervisor to Canfield and Copper Creek Court.

At 12:05, a dispatcher called for an ambulance, erroneously reporting that someone had been hit with a Taser.

By 12:07 p.m., a woman wailed in the background as an officer called over his radio: “Get us several more units over here. There’s gonna be a problem.”

Other officers realized there was going to be a problem? A crowd of people who said that Brown was shot in cold blood.

There’s all kinds of eyewitness and forensic evidence showing that Brown had hands up or was staggering (which makes sense given he was already shot multiple times) before Wilson fired the fatal shots at a distance.

What’s lacking from the report is a timeline of Wilson going to the hospital. The Post Dispatch and other outlets say that 2 hours after the shooting, Wilson was taken to the hospital from the station. They then say 2.5 hours later he returned to the station. Does this mean at I+2 he went to the hospital and returned at I+4.5 or that he went to the hospital at I+2 and returned at I+2.5? I’m figuring the former, but there’s ambiguity there.

In any event, that doesn’t exactly sound like serious injuries or that anyone was particularly worried about Wilson’s health. Sounds like a routine check after talking with union lawyers. His condition was fine, and the videos don’t appear to show Wilson in any discomfort, let alone holding his head or showing signs of injuries (especially and including blow out fractures of the kind that Hoft and Chuckles were promoting).

58 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 5:32:24am

He was quite a sly fox, wasn’t he.

As to the first discussion two things are to be avoided one is the making of false statements especially such as are contrary to revealed truth, the other is the assertion that what we think to be true is an article of faith, for as Augustine says (Confess. x), when a man thinks his false opinions to be the teaching of godliness, and dares obstinately to dogmatise about matters of which he is ignorant, he becomes a stumbling block to others. The reason why he says that such an one is a stumbling block is because the faith is made ridiculous to the unbeliever when a simple-minded believer asserts as an article of faith that which is demonstrably false, as again Augustine says in his commentary (Gen. ad lit. i). As regards the other discussion two things also are to be avoided. One is to give to the words of Scripture an interpretation manifestly false: since falsehood cannot underlie the divine Scriptures which we have received from the Holy Spirit, as neither can there be error in the faith that is taught by the Scriptures. The other is not to force such an interpretation on Scripture as to exclude any other interpretations that are actually or possibly true: since it, is part of the dignity of Holy Writ that under the one literal sense many others are contained. It is thus that the sacred text not only adapts itself to man’s various intelligence, so that each one marvels to find his thoughts expressed in the words of Holy Writ; but also is all the more easily defended against unbelievers in that when one finds his own interpretation of Scripture to be false he can fall back upon some other. Hence it is not inconceivable that Moses and the other authors of the Holy Books were given to know the various truths that men would discover in the text, and that they expressed them under one literary style, so that each truth is the sense intended by the author. And then even if commentators adapt certain truths to the sacred text that were not understood by the author, without doubt the Holy Spirit understood them, since he is the principal author of Holy Scripture. Consequently every truth that can be adapted to the sacred text without prejudice to the literal sense, is the sense of Holy Scripture.

59 Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2014 5:35:50am

re: #58 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

He was quite a sly fox Dumb Ox, wasn’t he.

60 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 5:36:25am

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Ehm….

61 Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2014 5:37:33am

re: #60 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Ehm….

amazon.com

62 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 5:47:29am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Bona nox!
bist a rechta Ochs;
bona notte,
liebe Lotte;
bonne nuit,
pfui, pfui;
good night, good night,
heut müßma noch weit;
gute Nacht, gute Nacht,
scheiß ins Bett daß’ kracht;
gute Nacht, schlaf fei g’sund
und reck’ den Arsch zum Mund

63 Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2014 5:48:53am

re: #62 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Bona nox!
bist a rechta Ochs;
bona notte,
liebe Lotte;
bonne nuit,
pfui, pfui;
good night, good night,
heut müßma noch weit;
gute Nacht, gute Nacht,
scheiß ins Bett daß’ kracht;
gute Nacht, schlaf fei g’sund
und reck’ den Arsch zum Mund

Heh. A lullaby for bright, nasty, little children.

64 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 5:52:22am

re: #62 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Bona nox!
bist a rechta Ochs;
bona notte,
liebe Lotte;
bonne nuit,
pfui, pfui;
good night, good night,
heut müßma noch weit;
gute Nacht, gute Nacht,
scheiß ins Bett daß’ kracht;
gute Nacht, schlaf fei g’sund
und reck’ den Arsch zum Mund

晚安

65 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 5:52:36am

I wonder what would happen if a school here tried this:

Japan students swap uniforms for ‘Sexchange Day’

66 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 5:53:29am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Heh. A lullaby for bright, nasty, little children.

And for Human Centipede fans.

67 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 5:54:18am

The power of myths:

The Dangers of the Temple Mount

68 darthstar  Nov 15, 2014 5:57:06am

Mornin’ everyone. Wife couldn’t sleep, so she was internettin’ around 4am when I heard her machine reboot. I said, “What are you doing?” and she said, “Oh, just one of those automatic critical updates.” Well, automatic critical update disabled her wireless adapter. So guess who spends an hour and a half doing system restore, to no avail, reverse system restore (to be able to see the update files) and then one by one hotfix removal and reboot until the wireless returned?

Fuckin’ windows. I disabled updates for her and am buying her an Ubuntu box or a Mac when we get home.

69 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 5:59:58am

re: #68 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Wife couldn’t sleep, so she was internettin’ around 4am when I heard her machine reboot. I said, “What are you doing?” and she said, “Oh, just one of those automatic critical updates.” Well, automatic critical update disabled her wireless adapter. So guess who spends an hour and a half doing system restore, to no avail, reverse system restore (to be able to see the update files) and then one by one hotfix removal and reboot until the wireless returned?

Fuckin’ windows. I disabled updates for her and am buying her an Ubuntu box or a Mac when we get home.

Vista?

70 darthstar  Nov 15, 2014 6:02:47am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Vista?

7 Home Edition. It’s a cheap Acer I bought for her six years ago…she still uses it…mainly for Facebook and Gmail.

71 darthstar  Nov 15, 2014 6:04:34am
72 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 6:06:48am

The shirtmaker is sad because her creation is now a distraction:

73 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 6:07:14am

re: #70 darthstar

7 Home Edition. It’s a cheap Acer I bought for her six years ago…she still uses it…mainly for Facebook and Gmail.

I have 7 Ultimate on a Lenovo. It’s been holding up pretty well. I think M$oft’s Home editions are crap.

74 BlueSpotinAL  Nov 15, 2014 6:09:12am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

I think they’ll still go for impeachment. They know they wouldn’t succeed in removing him from office but they also know how much it would electrify the base. I’d be stunned if they didn’t. I’m predicting Impeachment by the House before July of next year.

Impeachment would be a huge mistake. It would electrify a base that does not need motivation to vote, but it sure would motivate the other base to get out and vote. You know, the voters Republicans try to suppress.

75 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 6:09:37am

More on her blog:

Decisions and comments.

I felt I needed to write some words for all the questions, comments and feedback being received about the shirt I made for him that has caused such a stir.

I would like to thank each and every person who has supported Matt in his amazing achievement and who has asked after and complimented my hobby as well as my Husband’s artwork on Dr. Taylor.

Unfortunately there has been a lot of negativity in this which I do understand but is also very upsetting.

Dr. Matt Taylor is an amazing, kind, loving and sensitive person.
I never expected him to wear my gift to him for such a big event and was surprised and deeply moved that he did.
I made that shirt for his birthday last month as I make clothes just as a hobby and he asked if I would make him one.
He is a close and very loved friend so made sure I did this for his birthday present.

[…]

76 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 6:13:23am

re: #62 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Youtube Video

77 darthstar  Nov 15, 2014 6:19:45am

re: #73 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I have 7 Ultimate on a Lenovo. It’s been holding up pretty well. I think M$oft’s Home editions are crap.

Yeah. OS doesn’t really matter all that much anyway. Except when you use manufacturer products. I had to put Keynote on my Mac to handle a doc from my boss - that forced me to upgrade from Mavericks to Yosemite. I’m like, “I don’t want all the new shit. I just want to open this presentation.”

78 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 15, 2014 6:23:42am

re: #57 lawhawk

Ferguson PD finally got around to addressing one of the FOIAs, and released tapes from the events leading up to the fatal shots and moments after the shots were fired.

Some of this fleshes out the timeline further, but we’ve got a couple of key details.

Wilson shot and killed Brown less than 2 minutes after he rolled up on Brown and Johnson.

Other officers realized there was going to be a problem? A crowd of people who said that Brown was shot in cold blood.

There’s all kinds of eyewitness and forensic evidence showing that Brown had hands up or was staggering (which makes sense given he was already shot multiple times) before Wilson fired the fatal shots at a distance.

What’s lacking from the report is a timeline of Wilson going to the hospital. The Post Dispatch and other outlets say that 2 hours after the shooting, Wilson was taken to the hospital from the station. They then say 2.5 hours later he returned to the station. Does this mean at I+2 he went to the hospital and returned at I+4.5 or that he went to the hospital at I+2 and returned at I+2.5? I’m figuring the former, but there’s ambiguity there.

In any event, that doesn’t exactly sound like serious injuries or that anyone was particularly worried about Wilson’s health. Sounds like a routine check after talking with union lawyers. His condition was fine, and the videos don’t appear to show Wilson in any discomfort, let alone holding his head or showing signs of injuries (especially and including blow out fractures of the kind that Hoft and Chuckles were promoting).

There’s video now of Wilson leaving the station for the hospital, and one of him coming back. Neither video shoes any signs of him in any pain that an orbital blowout fracture would cause. And in the video of him returning to the station from the hospital, one of the detectives/lawyers with him has a big drink from a fast food place. Obviously Wilson was in such distress that they had the opportunity to stop for lunch on the way back. /

Not that we didn’t know before any of this, but Hoft and CCJ are full of shit.

And Wilson will get off scot free.

And St. Louis county will erupt.

Sigh.

79 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 15, 2014 6:23:43am

re: #75 freetoken

More on her blog:

Decisions and comments.

What a tempest in a teapot during an historic event.

80 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 6:23:45am

re: #77 darthstar

Yeah. OS doesn’t really matter all that much anyway. Except when you use manufacturer products. I had to put Keynote on my Mac to handle a doc from my boss - that forced me to upgrade from Mavericks to Yosemite. I’m like, “I don’t want all the new shit. I just want to open this presentation.”

Planned obsolescence. It’s a business plan that hasn’t changed in decades.

81 Belafon  Nov 15, 2014 6:24:03am

re: #5 Amory Blaine

Friday night news dump.

DOT: New fees, tax hikes totaling $750 million needed for roads

That’s as good as a board appointed by Rick Perry recommending that the State expand Medicaid under Obamacare.

82 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 15, 2014 6:26:15am

re: #41 teleskiguy

It was a ball-washing through and through.

Bill Maher is funny, I laugh at his jokes. But he lost me when he embraced the Greenwald/Snowden nonsense.

I never really liked him from day 1 but this totally did it for me as far as never giving him the time if day.

83 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 6:28:54am

Oh, look at what UPI dumped over the transom last night:

Study shows whites think blacks are superhuman, magical

A recent study posits white people may possess a bias which causes them to imbue black people with superhuman qualities.
“A Superhumanization Bias in Whites’ Perceptions of Blacks,” published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, examines the idea that black people have been historically dehumanized, “from constitutional denial of full legal personhood to enslavement.”

But while psychological research on dehumanization has focused largely on subhuman representation of others, the phenomenon of “superhumanization,” defined in the study as “the representation of others as possessing mental and physical qualities that are supernatural,” has remained largely unexamined as a means by which others are cast as nonhuman.

In the first of a series of five studies, researchers Kelly Marie Hoffman and Sophie Trawalter of the University of Virginia and Adam Waytz of Northwestern University performed Implicit Association Tests and found white participants were more likely to link words commonly associated with the supernatural, (ghost, paranormal, spirit, wizard, supernatural, magic, mystical), to pictures of black people, and more likely to link seven “human words,” (person, individual, humanity, people, civilian, mankind, citizen), to pictures of white people.

[…]

The original paper:

A Superhumanization Bias in Whites’ Perceptions of Blacks

The present research provides the first systematic empirical investigation into superhumanization, the attribution of supernatural, extrasensory, and magical mental and physical qualities to humans. Five studies test and support the hypothesis that White Americans superhumanize Black people relative to White people. Studies 1-2b demonstrate this phenomenon at an implicit level, showing that Whites preferentially associate Blacks versus Whites with superhuman versus human words on an implicit association test and on a categorization task. Studies 3-4 demonstrate this phenomenon at an explicit level, showing that Whites preferentially attribute superhuman capacities to Blacks versus Whites, and Study 4 specifically shows that superhumanization of Blacks predicts denial of pain to Black versus White targets. Together, these studies demonstrate a novel and potentially detrimental process through which Whites perceive Blacks.

Interesting use of the word “superhuman”.

84 Belafon  Nov 15, 2014 6:30:15am

I’m tech support for the company my wife works for (which ought to tell you about the size of the company and the state of their computer systems since I’m a software engineer). I was looking around for another solution to their web surfing, and ran across this: A German company, Sirrix, offers a version of Firefox and Chrome that run inside a virtual machine: sirrix.com.

My wife gets to be a guinea pig this weekend.

85 lawhawk  Nov 15, 2014 6:32:24am

I had a chance to go back and look at some of the photos I took in Lower Manhattan earlier this week (on Wednesday), and posted them on my blog. I had brought the camera to shoot the newly opened Fulton Center, and it’s truly a great space, albeit one that has some significant shortcomings due to the fact that the MTA precluded any use of the valuable air rights over the building. I then went over to the WTC memorial because of the dramatic sky as the low cloud deck was starting to break up.

Turns out that I caught the scaffold right before it malfunctioned (and it might have already been showing problems at 12:41 when I took the photo). I then went back and took some other photos, but didn’t have my long lens with me. Yet, I was still able to capture the scaffold malfunction pretty clearly at a distance.

86 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 6:33:22am

re: #83 freetoken

It’s all about perceptions intuited from responses on an association test. I’m not very impressed by the methodology.

On the other hand, it does explain how Obama could go back in time to plant those birth notices in the Honolulu newspapers.
//

87 freetoken  Nov 15, 2014 6:36:56am

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It got a bit of coverage yesterday in the usual outlets (e.g., HuffPo). I think the title and the implications created more stir than the actual methods.

We already know that we treat the “other” differently than those we consider “us”. This is so primally primate that I doubt we’ll ever escape it. Perhaps if we all keep having babies with those who don’t look like us then the visual aspect of who is the “other” might lessen, and we’ll use other metrics (like language, or height) to pick our tribes.

88 lawhawk  Nov 15, 2014 6:38:34am

Did he hurt himself with a perpetual smirk given that a tyrant doesn’t have a Congress actively thwarting all of his dastardly plans to give access to health insurance to the masses for years?

Hoft doesn’t understand the definition of tyrant, and demeans what it means to be a dissident in a totalitarian regime to boot. Obama was duly elected (twice) and his policies were constitutionally enacted and upheld even with legal challenges.

Guess his definition of tyrant and mine are different. Oh wait, I know what the difference is. Obama has a D after his name, so that seals it.

89 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 6:38:36am

re: #87 freetoken

It got a bit of coverage yesterday in the usual outlets (e.g., HuffPo). I think the title and the implications created more stir than the actual methods.

We already know that we treat the “other” differently than those we consider “us”. This is so primally primate that I doubt we’ll ever escape it. Perhaps if we all keep having babies with those who don’t look like us then the visual aspect of who is the “other” might lessen, and we’ll use other metrics (like language, or height) to pick our tribes.

Sports teams, probably. Or beer preference. Or whether you like pineapple on pizza.

90 BigPapa  Nov 15, 2014 6:42:09am

re: #88 lawhawk

Guess his definition of tyrant and mine are different. Oh wait, I know what the difference is. Obama has a D after his name, so that seals it.

That, and Hoft is an incessant moron.

It’s quite funny. At times, Obama is feckless, worst president ever, weak on (everything). Other times, he’s a tyrant, corrupt, bent on destroying America and all that is good.

Hey… maybe that’s all part of the plan… look lame and feckless, then BAM! CONSTITUTION DESTROYED! MUAHAHAHA!

91 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 6:42:13am

re: #88 lawhawk

Did he hurt himself with a perpetual smirk given that a tyrant doesn’t have a Congress actively thwarting all of his dastardly plans to give access to health insurance to the masses for years?

Hoft doesn’t understand the definition of tyrant, and demeans what it means to be a dissident in a totalitarian regime to boot. Obama was duly elected (twice) and his policies were constitutionally enacted and upheld even with legal challenges.

Guess his definition of tyrant and mine are different. Oh wait, I know what the difference is. Obama has a D after his name, so that seals it.

I’d like to drop Hoft in the middle of Myanmar with a sign that says (in Burmese) “I hate Burmese people, and Aung San Suu Kyi is a tyrant,” and see what happens.

92 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 6:42:42am

re: #88 lawhawk

Dimmy Jimmy is to journalism is what a cancerous tumor is to the brain.

93 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 15, 2014 6:48:44am
94 Sionainn  Nov 15, 2014 6:48:51am

re: #11 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Almost 2,500 nuclear explosions have happened on Earth’s surface and atmosphere.

My dad grew up in Las Vegas and they used to go sit out on their front lawn and watch the mushroom clouds. They were late getting outside one day and when it went off, they could see the flash of light in their house, through the curtains. Weirdness.

95 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 15, 2014 6:50:16am

re: #68 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Wife couldn’t sleep, so she was internettin’ around 4am when I heard her machine reboot. I said, “What are you doing?” and she said, “Oh, just one of those automatic critical updates.” Well, automatic critical update disabled her wireless adapter. So guess who spends an hour and a half doing system restore, to no avail, reverse system restore (to be able to see the update files) and then one by one hotfix removal and reboot until the wireless returned?

Fuckin’ windows. I disabled updates for her and am buying her an Ubuntu box or a Mac when we get home.

Ubuntu has become really nice. I’m most fond of the xubuntu flavor but any of them on modern hardware will put Windows to shame. I used to be a big mac person but the more they twist OS X away from it’s Unix core and towards IOS the less I like it. A PC is not a tablet or phone.

96 darthstar  Nov 15, 2014 6:53:47am

re: #95 William Barnett-Lewis

Ubuntu has become really nice. I’m most fond of the xubuntu flavor but any of them on modern hardware will put Windows to shame. I used to be a big mac person but the more they twist OS X away from it’s Unix core and towards IOS the less I like it. A PC is not a tablet or phone.

Yeah…I’m pretty much an Ubuntu convert too. Besides, my phone’s an android.

97 darthstar  Nov 15, 2014 6:54:35am
98 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 15, 2014 6:54:59am
99 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 15, 2014 6:58:17am

BBL. Gotta go to a friends ordination mass this morning. Transitional Diaconate to full Episcopalian church Priest next Ascention Day. A good man, we’re lucky to get him.

100 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 15, 2014 7:02:04am

And I’m going to bed. I had a long day, but it was well paid.

101 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 7:08:36am

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Poo looks hungry.

102 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 7:21:32am

re: #9 freetoken

I expect there to be a lot of air about the issue. Perhaps John the Orange comes to a back-room arrangement, where there is never filed any formal papers for impeachments, but this or that committee will hold sessions to explore this or that supposedly impeachable offense.

It’s BENGHAZI!!! all the way down.

Do remember that Trey Gowdy is chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi. If he says ‘no impeachment’, then that committee won’t recommend impeachment.

103 darthstar  Nov 15, 2014 7:21:58am
104 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 7:31:17am

re: #88 lawhawk

Did he hurt himself with a perpetual smirk given that a tyrant doesn’t have a Congress actively thwarting all of his dastardly plans to give access to health insurance to the masses for years?

[Embedded content]

Hoft doesn’t understand the definition of tyrant, and demeans what it means to be a dissident in a totalitarian regime to boot. Obama was duly elected (twice) and his policies were constitutionally enacted and upheld even with legal challenges.

Guess his definition of tyrant and mine are different. Oh wait, I know what the difference is. Obama has a D after his name, so that seals it.

I’d like to ask Hoft the last “real dictator tm” that was impeached. Or furthermore the last dictator that had an opposition party running the national legislature. And is it just me or is Hoft implying with “Show Aung San Suu Kyi how a real dictator operates” that the Burmese military dictatorship isn’t a real dictatorship. But then again, they oppress Muslims so they’re probably cool with old Jim who wouldn’t know the word irony if it bit him on his ugly mug.

105 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 7:36:37am

Ferguson-So now we are being told Wilson did have the stolen cigar report before the encounter. Things sure do change over time.

106 Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2014 7:43:04am

re: #96 darthstar

Yeah…I’m pretty much an Ubuntu convert too. Besides, my phone’s an android.

We run our machines dual-boot. Windows persists only because TurboTax requires some version, and Vista is the newest version that is tolerant of Civ4. Other than that everything we load is recent Ubuntu or Mint.

107 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 7:43:35am

re: #105 Indy GOP Refugee

Ferguson-So now we are being told Wilson did have the stolen cigar report before the encounter. Things sure do change over time.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has more. They have the records of the radios calls made by Darin Wilson and by officers responding to the shooting.

108 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 7:47:01am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Yup, this contrasts rather starkly with earlier insistence by many (including myself) that the stop had no justification other than walking in the street. Now it was a man who fit the description of a thief.

109 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 7:49:48am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Hmmm. from your link

Sources have told the Post-Dispatch that Wilson has told authorities that before the radio call he had stopped to tell Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, 22, to quit walking down the middle of the street. They kept walking, and he then realized that Brown matched the description of the suspect in the stealing call.

Wilson then asked dispatch for backup and backed up his SUV next to Brown and Johnson.

110 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 7:50:40am

re: #108 Indy GOP Refugee

To me, though, that was never an issue. I don’t see it as relevant to Wilson’s subsequent actions.

111 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 7:53:20am

It’s all so confusing to me. One thing’s for sure. I don’t trust the Ferguson PD with how they’ve acted throughout the past months.

112 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 7:53:26am

re: #108 Indy GOP Refugee

Yup, this contrasts rather starkly with earlier insistence by many (including myself) that the stop had no justification other than walking in the street. Now it was a man who fit the description of a thief.

The supreme irony then becomes the fact that Michael Brown had put the box cigars on a different shelf before leaving the convenience store, as I remember stills from the store’s security footage showing. But the store clerk hadn’t known that at the time and so there was no way for Wilson to know that.

113 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 7:54:48am

re: #110 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

To me, though, that was never an issue. I don’t see it as relevant to Wilson’s subsequent actions.

I don’t either. Wilson could have handled this without shooting Brown. I felt that way then and I feel that way now. Stealing cigars shouldn’t get you shot by the police.

114 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 7:56:36am

And frankly I find it very offensive to read comments (not here mind you) on this story accusing the black community of wanting a lynching of Officer Wilson when they have seen countless cases of white officers shooting unarmed black civilians and not even losing their jobs over it. The attempts to blame the local community for being upset have me as upset as the death of Mike Brown itself.

115 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 7:56:44am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. Wilson could have handled this without shooting Brown. I felt that way then and I feel that way now. Stealing cigars shouldn’t get you shot by the police.

True, and in my mind the facts could still support a manslaughter indictment. But these latest reports have convinced me that the facts do not support a charge of murder.

116 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 7:58:17am

Brown’s (clearly reprehensible) behavior in the store is just as irrelevant to what the witnesses described as having happened after the first shots. Again, either Wilson shot a person who’s given himself up, or he didn’t. That’s the only relevant issue.

117 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 7:59:04am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

True, and in my mind the facts could still support a manslaughter indictment. But these latest reports have convinced me that the facts do not support a charge of murder.

If Brown had in fact given up, I’m ready to support a murder indictment.

118 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:00:02am

re: #110 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

To me, though, that was never an issue. I don’t see it as relevant to Wilson’s subsequent actions.

Yes. The subsequent actions depend on the violence of the encounter from Brown, then use of force policy. Was Brown surrendering or not? Charging? Fleeing? The video that has emerged (not super clear either) does not appear to show much injury if any on Wilson.

But for honesty sake I wanted to point out the new info. Hey with the lack of this latest info, many were wrong about what dispatch information Officer Wilson had. The theft video goes from character assassination to correct background on the stop. Were we not told at some point nobody called in the theft?

This would also make it near certain there will be no indictment. AFAIK the shooting is overshadowed by the 3rd world like actions of the police later. The no media NOTAM. The direct assaults by police on journalists, the false arrests. If the police don’t change all this will be repeated.

119 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 8:01:27am

re: #118 Indy GOP Refugee

Hey with the lack of this latest info, many were wrong about what dispatch information Officer Wilson had.

Because the police spokesman (was that a chief?) told us this.

120 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:02:58am

re: #119 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

And we also know that if a box of cigars had been of the scene of the shoot on the ground that would have been headline time.

121 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 8:04:03am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

If Brown had in fact given up, I’m ready to support a murder indictment.

That applies only if Wilson recognized or reasonably should have recognized Brown’s attempt to surrender. If he reasonably thought Brown was turning around in an attempt to charge him, then a murder charge cannot be sustained.

122 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:05:36am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

That applies only if Wilson recognized or reasonably should have recognized Brown’s attempt to surrender. If he reasonably thought Brown was turning around in an attempt to charge him, then a murder charge cannot be sustained.

Maybe but I really do feel we have way way too many police officers like Wilson that are willing to use deadly force and ask questions later.

123 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 8:05:40am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

That applies only if Wilson recognized or reasonably should have recognized Brown’s attempt to surrender. If he reasonably thought Brown was turning around in an attempt to charge him, then a murder charge cannot be sustained.

Maybe. That is at least a fair point to discuss, as it concerns the relevant issue.

124 BigPapa  Nov 15, 2014 8:05:45am

I think it went down like this:

1. Wilson sees two black youth walking down middle of the street, drives by and says ‘Get the fuck on the sidewalk.’

2. Black youth says ‘we’re just going over here.’

3. Wilson drives by, then a few seconds later realizes the BOLO, backs up

4. Grabs Brown while still in his SUV, Brown resists

5. Gun unholstered, Wilson fires

6. Brown runs, Wilson fires

7. Brown stops and yields, Wilson fires

125 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:07:43am

I just hope there’s no violence but I am not going to blame the people of Ferguson if they’re angry over a non indictment and already gotten at the Ferguson PD’s actions in the days after the death of Brown to media and protesters were something more from the days of Bull Connor,

126 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:10:14am

re: #116 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Brown’s (clearly reprehensible) behavior in the store is just as irrelevant to what the witnesses described as having happened after the first shots. Again, either Wilson shot a person who’s given himself up, or he didn’t. That’s the only relevant issue.

Not quite that simple. If there had been no report at all, there would be nearly no justification for the stop at all. Jaywalking? Infraction. Investigating a reported crime like theft underscores a better justification for the stop. Past that as I said above it depends on the fight (if any) from Brown vs Wilson.

Nobody is allowed to resist arrest of get physical with a policeman in the course of his work. That escalates the whole thing.

None of this should be taken as defending Wilson, just a cold look at changing facts and revelations.

127 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:16:41am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Setting aside the shoot, the subsequent acts of authorities completely justifies protest and unstinting demands for change. I’ll double down on my tweet from the other day. if you want to prevent further violence in Ferguson and other similar places, back the police the hell off of the necks of the residents.

128 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:16:52am

washingtonpost.com
This happened not too far from me. Different situation than Brown since he had a weapon but I really do feel that this and Brown’s case could have been resolved without a person dying. We need to ask ourselves as a society why we have so many deaths by cops compared to similar nations. Perhaps better and different training is the answer and better screening of officer candidates.

129 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:17:58am

re: #127 Indy GOP Refugee

Setting aside the shoot, the subsequent acts of authorities completely justifies protest and unstinting demands for change. I’ll double down on my tweet from the other day. if you want to prevent further violence in Ferguson and other similar places, back the police the hell off of the necks of the residents.

Right, the authorities in Ferguson have earned the scorn they’ve gotten. If I lived there, I’d be right there with em.

130 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:19:50am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

That applies only if Wilson recognized or reasonably should have recognized Brown’s attempt to surrender. If he reasonably thought Brown was turning around in an attempt to charge him, then a murder charge cannot be sustained.

At what distance? Brown was unarmed. That matters. Wilson was already gun in hand, and aimed. Up close? maybe. At more than a few steps away? You have time to assess. When you have time you have the obligation.

131 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 8:20:14am

re: #127 Indy GOP Refugee

Setting aside the shoot, the subsequent acts of authorities completely justifies protest and unstinting demands for change. I’ll double down on my tweet from the other day. if you want to prevent further violence in Ferguson and other similar places, back the police the hell off of the necks of the residents.

The police overreacted and acted in bad faith as well. That much is certain.

One thought I did have is that this year didn’t have any statewide elections in Missouri. One cannot help but wonder how differently things might have gone had a Senate seat been up for contention there.

132 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:20:59am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Right, the authorities in Ferguson have earned the scorn they’ve gotten. If I lived there, I’d be right there with em.

Oh yes.

133 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:26:39am

So to reiterate, I think we need better training of the police for these type of situations. I really am disturbed by the mindset I see reading comments on these stories and the police blog(forget the name but it’s the one where you have to enter your badge number to post so we know it’s not just people faking being cops) I had the displeasure of reading as this case has unfolded that too many seem to think that deadly force should be used often. I also think better screening of potential cops would be good too. Perhaps more psychological evaluations. I don’t know what it takes to join your average small town police force in this country, I assume a high school diploma and not much more. And I’d also tone down on the militarization of the police too. From what I understand a lot of our surplus military equipment goes to police departments and that’s something that has unfortunately really increased in recent years. And perhaps also our officers should learn some things from countries that have few shootings of civilians compared to ours. And we have to confront the big elephant in the room that no one likes to talk about but is there. The racial element.

134 Ace-o-aces  Nov 15, 2014 8:27:12am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

That applies only if Wilson recognized or reasonably should have recognized Brown’s attempt to surrender. If he reasonably thought Brown was turning around in an attempt to charge him, then a murder charge cannot be sustained.

I don’t see how anybody could reasonably believe Brown was going to charge Wilson. Brown was running away from the officer, who had already shot at him multiple times. He turned around with his hands raised. Brown couldn’t have taken more than a few staggering steps forward before he was killed. How does this add up to, “He is join to charge?”.

135 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 15, 2014 8:28:28am

re: #126 Indy GOP Refugee

Not quite that simple. If there had been no report at all, there would be nearly no justification for the stop at all. Jaywalking? Infraction. Investigating a reported crime like theft underscores a better justification for the stop. Past that as I said above it depends on the fight (if any) from Brown vs Wilson.

Nobody is allowed to resist arrest of get physical with a policeman in the course of his work. That escalates the whole thing.

None of this should be taken as defending Wilson, just a cold look at changing facts and revelations.

None of this influences whatever it was that happened between the first and the second series of shots. Not whether there was a justification for the stop, not who initiated the fight, not whether Brown resisted arrest.

The only thing that matters is whether Brown gave up and whether Wilson understood that Brown gave up.

136 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 8:31:14am

re: #134 Ace-o-aces

I don’t see how anybody could reasonably believe Brown was going to charge Wilson. Brown was running away from the officer, who had already shot at him multiple times. He turned around with his hands raised. Brown couldn’t have taken more than a few staggering steps forward before he was killed. How does this add up to, “He is join to charge?”.

I wasn’t there, so I can’t say. We know where Brown was hit, but not the order in which shots fired hit or missed him.

I’m not trying to defend Darin Wilson, I was only trying to reason out what the law says based on what I know.

137 Sionainn  Nov 15, 2014 8:32:41am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

So to reiterate, I think we need better training of the police for these type of situations. I really am disturbed by the mindset I see reading comments on these stories and the police blog(forget the name but it’s the one where you have to enter your badge number to post so we know it’s not just people faking being cops) I had the displeasure of reading as this case has unfolded that too many seem to think that deadly force should be used often. I also think better screening of potential cops would be good too. Perhaps more psychological evaluations. I don’t know what it takes to join your average small town police force in this country, I assume a high school diploma and not much more. And I’d also tone down on the militarization of the police too. From what I understand a lot of our surplus military equipment goes to police departments and that’s something that has unfortunately really increased in recent years. And perhaps also our officers should learn some things from countries that have few shootings of civilians compared to ours. And we have to confront the big elephant in the room that no one likes to talk about but is there. The racial element.

There are psychological exams given before someone is accepted into a police academy. My cousin never could pass the tests at any police department where he tried.

138 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:39:21am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I used to spend a lot of time with police. Sometimes at their shooting ranges. Often at my favorite range or ride along. FWIW-The real trick is a lot more training by way of practice. Maybe we need to add a year or two to the time from first day at the academy and a badge, gun and car. Dead serious here. Doctors save lives. A cop with more training and experience can avoid taking one.

139 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 8:42:27am

Forgive me, but I want to change focus from Darin Wilson to another less-deadly but still douchey character:

Kirk Cameron tells women their place is in the kitchen this holiday season as he urges them to cook, clean, decorate and sing to have the best Christmas ever

Joy is what Christmas is all about according to Cameron, and stolen joy can sap a person’s strength he explains, before declaring the best way for a woman to experience joy during this very special time of the year.

‘Let your children, your family, see your joy in the way that you decorate your home this Christmas, in the food that you cook, the songs you sing, the stories you tell, and the traditions that you keep,’ says Cameron.

‘Invite your whole neighborhood into your Christmas, and invite the world into our story of our king and his kingdom.’

He then plugs his new movie, which is in theaters today, Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas.

The Los Angeles Times is calling the film an ‘unholy mess,’ while the Chicago Sun-Times declares it ‘one of the least artful holiday films ever made.’

This is one movie you know is going to suck just from the poster:

Image: 1415979373153_wps_13_MV5BMTc3MTc3Njc5MV5BMl5Ba.jpg

140 Sionainn  Nov 15, 2014 8:44:03am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Forgive me, but I want to change focus from Darin Wilson to another less-deadly but still douchey character:

Kirk Cameron tells women their place is in the kitchen this holiday season as he urges them to cook, clean, decorate and sing to have the best Christmas ever

This is one movie you know is going to suck just from the poster:

Image: 1415979373153_wps_13_MV5BMTc3MTc3Njc5MV5BMl5Ba.jpg

LOL! Is that poster for real?

141 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:44:49am

re: #137 Sionainn

There are psychological exams given before someone is accepted into a police academy. My cousin never could pass the tests at any police department where he tried.

Right, figured there was a psych eval. Just think maybe more could work.

142 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:45:45am

re: #138 Indy GOP Refugee

I used to spend a lot of time with police. Sometimes at their shooting ranges. Often at my favorite range or ride along. FWIW-The real trick is a lot more training by way of practice. Maybe we need to add a year or two to the time from first day at the academy and a badge, gun and car. Dead serious here. Doctors save lives. A cop with more training and experience can avoid taking one.

Sounds reasonable to me.

143 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 8:47:03am

re: #140 Sionainn

LOL! Is that poster for real?

Apparently yes.

144 HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2014 8:47:18am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Forgive me, but I want to change focus from Darin Wilson to another less-deadly but still douchey character:

Kirk Cameron tells women their place is in the kitchen this holiday season as he urges them to cook, clean, decorate and sing to have the best Christmas ever

This is one movie you know is going to suck just from the poster:

Image: 1415979373153_wps_13_MV5BMTc3MTc3Njc5MV5BMl5Ba.jpg

That poster is practically a parody. Cameron must need money even more than ever.

145 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 8:48:51am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

That poster is practically a parody. Cameron must need money even more than ever.

He won’t get much from that mound of dog vomit.

146 Sionainn  Nov 15, 2014 8:52:28am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Right, figured there was a psych eval. Just think maybe more could work.

Completely agree. My brother went through the police academy just a few years ago in New Mexico. He was originally an MP in the army, got degrees in history and criminal justice, and was in charge of the criminal justice program at a community college. He was flabbergasted at some of the things that they were taught in the academy and he spent a lot of time correcting the instructors and teaching the people in his unit the correct procedures.

147 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 15, 2014 8:58:06am

re: #135 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well I just disagree a little. Every link in the chain informs us. But those long seconds between first and last shots fired are certainly telling us something.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 15, 2014 9:08:10am
149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2014 9:11:22am

(nice antidote to all of the KKK in Ferguson stuff filling up my twitter TL.)

150 Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2014 9:19:18am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(nice antidote to all of the KKK in Ferguson stuff filling up my twitter TL.)

Actual KKK or KKK-esque “Brown was a [n-word] thug who got what he deserved!!1”?

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2014 9:36:56am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Actual KKK or KKK-esque “Brown was a [n-word] thug who got what he deserved!!1”?

Anon has been outing actual KKK members.
It’s pretty ugly.


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