Nevada GOP Leader Has Long History of Extremism and Racism

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I knew things had swung to the radical right in Nevada, but the Reno News & Review has a jaw-dropper of a report today on the Republican picked by the GOP to be speaker of the state assembly, Ira Hansen — a paleoconservative caveman who wrote a column for years for the Sparks Tribune, laying out his stunningly bigoted and hateful views on quite a variety of subjects.

On African Americans:

Hansen has said he keeps a Confederate battle flag on the wall where he writes his columns. “I fly it proudly in honor and in memory of a great cause and my brave ancestors who fought for that cause,” he wrote.

Hansen tends to use the term “Negro” and often does not capitalize it. In one column, he described Washoe Republican Sen. Maurice Washington (whom he supported) as black but in the same column called President Obama (whom he opposes) a “negro”—lower case.

On Martin Luther King:

Hansen has repeated, legitimately, the well known stories about Martin Luther King’s plagiarism as a student, using them to try to discredit his later work. On several occasions, including in King Day columns, Hansen has also cited as factual rumors about King’s private life about which nothing reliable is known, particularly given the efforts of the FBI to plant misinformation about King with journalists. Hansen provided nothing like chapter and verse to prove King’s private life unsuitable, relying on the notion that it is something we all “know.”

Hansen wrote, “King’s private life was trashy at best. … King Jr. is as low as it gets, a hypocrite, a liar, a phony, and a fraud.” He opposed an effort to name a Paradise Park community center for King on the grounds African-Americans had begun rejecting him in favor of Louis Farrakhan, a black trend that has not been recorded elsewhere.

On “educational slavery:”

In an attack on public education and teacher unions, Hansen wrote, “The Democratic coalition would split asunder if the NAACP & co. actually promoted what black Americans truly desire—educational choice. The shrewd and calculating [black] ‘leaders’ are willing to sacrifice the children of their own race to gratify their lust for power and position. The relationship of Negroes and Democrats is truly a master-slave relationship, with the benevolent master knowing what’s best for his simple minded darkies. For American blacks, being denied choice and forced to attend the failing and inferior government school system is a form of involuntary servitude. Let’s call it what it truly is—educational slavery.”

On real slavery:

He wrote that African-Americans are insufficiently grateful for being given their freedom: “The lack of gratitude and the deliberate ignoring of white history in relation to eliminating slavery is a disgrace that Negro leaders should own up to.”

We’re well into Stormfront territory here. And this is just the beginning; Hansen has also spewed all manner of hatred at gays, Latinos, women, you name it. Basically, if you are not a white male far right whack job, Ira Hansen despises you. And maybe even then.

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258 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 11:23:42am

Crazy huh?

Not only are these people getting elected, they are getting to places of significant power AFTER getting elected.

I honestly think a future Wingnut President is a distinct possibility.

2 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 11:25:23am

But but Mia Love means the GOP can’t called racist anymore.

3 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 11:26:12am
4 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 11:27:23am

And no one noticed any of this before the election? Or not enough to matter?

These state and local GOPers who are in white supremacist/KKK country are pushing the GOP even further into the extreme right.

Where’s the rest of the GOP to boot him from the party? Oh wait, they’re putting him in charge.

5 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 11:28:42am

re: #4 lawhawk

And no one noticed any of this before the election? Or not enough to matter?

These state and local GOPers who are in white supremacist/KKK country are pushing the GOP even further into the extreme right.

Where’s the rest of the GOP to boot him from the party? Oh wait, they’re putting him in charge.

This is the problem. These aren’t just kooks here there. They’re putting kooks in charge. Another example would be Russell Pearce in Arizona. I think last night teleskiguy was too kind in calling the GOP rednecks. I’d prefer the term bigots because it’s what they are. Not all rednecks are racist bigots.

6 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 11:28:48am

re: #4 lawhawk

And no one noticed any of this before the election? Or not enough to matter?

These state and local GOPers who are in white supremacist/KKK country are pushing the GOP even further into the extreme right.

Where’s the rest of the GOP to boot him from the party? Oh wait, they’re putting him in charge.

I notice all the sudden there are repro-rights articles being published!

7 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 11:29:39am

re: #4 lawhawk

And no one noticed any of this before the election? Or not enough to matter?

Feature, not a bug.

8 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 11:30:55am

Ira Hansen isn’t just “Beyond Talk,” he’s beyond words.

9 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 11:31:02am

But yeah conservatives cry about how mean old libs call them racists. Well you could stop first electing people like Ira Hansen and secondly stop giving people like him real power in a legislature. But I get it, Dems are the real racists because of how the political parties were in the Civil War era but we’re not allowed to talk about what Republicans actually talk like and stand for in 2014.

10 Kryptik  Nov 20, 2014 11:31:44am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah. And while this might be nationally known now, I can’t imagine that all the people who voted him in were unaware of his allegiances. These assholes aren’t getting in despite their crazy, they’re getting in because of it.

Face it. This country is a racist mess at its core, and for all that’s been done to drive such shit underground, people still sympathize with it, and having “one of them” as President has allowed a whole lot of noxious shit to be re-normalized all for the sake of politics, because people can just pretend ‘oh, we’re not racist, we just hate those damn Dems for siding with THEM and destroying our great nation, the traitors!’.

11 Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2014 11:33:14am

Fact is, there are a lot of people like this in the Republican Party. It’s not by chance that Hansen rose to the top in Nevada - this is what the conservative movement is turning into, all over the US.

It’s the Rise of the Planet of the Cavemen.

12 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 11:35:34am
13 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 11:38:11am

The fact of the matter is our state legislatures are filled with guys like Hansen. They’re not fringe kooks. They’re part of the mainstream GOP and welcomed into it with open arms. and in the case of Hansen here even promoted to positions of leadership.

14 Kryptik  Nov 20, 2014 11:38:13am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Fact is, there are a lot of people like this in the Republican Party. It’s not by chance that Hansen rose to the top in Nevada - this is what the conservative movement is turning into, all over the US.

It’s the Rise of the Planet of the Cavemen.

And considering how much power these assholes have around the country, and how nakedly transparent folks like Hansen are about this shit, either the country sees this and just yawns at such attitudes or they see it and like it enough to actively embrace it.

And between shit like Trayvon, Brown/Ferguson, the VRA, polls in general that blame black people exclusively for whatever problems they face, the fact that feminism has been successfully turned into a dirty word damn near everywhere, etc., I’m leaning toward believing the latter is the majority in this country.

15 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 11:39:15am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Fact is, there are a lot of people like this in the Republican Party. It’s not by chance that Hansen rose to the top in Nevada - this is what the conservative movement is turning into, all over the US.

It’s the Rise of the Planet of the Cavemen.

U got that right!

16 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 11:40:09am

Fear of Slave Revolt (fear of the serf, the poor, the OTHER) is so great.

I shouldn’t shock me, but it does.

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 11:40:41am

This is what an asshole looks like:

People dying, people trapped in their homes, roofs collapsing, power outages, another 2-3 feet of snow coming.
I do not want to know what Shawn considers a “real crisis”.

18 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:42:49am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is what an asshole looks like:

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People dying, people trapped in their homes, roofs collapsing, power outages, another 2-3 feet of snow coming.
I do not want to know what Shawn considers a “real crisis”.

He’s in Carolina.

19 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 11:43:06am

“Why are you eating your lunch? We’re having a potluck downstairs!”

GO.
DIE.
IN.
A.
FIRE.

20 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 11:44:03am

This is the lineup of shows that ABC, NBC, Fox and CBS are running tonight (all but the two Latino networks are not preempting for the President’s speech):

It’s all about ratings during Sweeps, and forget about actually hearing what the President’s policy is going to be, rather than what the pundits and right wingers say it will be.

21 Kryptik  Nov 20, 2014 11:44:53am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Er…yeah. Being stuck in the midst of a snowstorm that’s actively piling on waist- to shoulder-high snow and still going, without food, water, heat, etc.? That’s kind of a damn crisis.

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 11:44:54am

re: #18 Vicious Piebola

He’s in Carolina.

Bet he whines every time a hurricane shows up.

23 Eventual Carrion  Nov 20, 2014 11:45:32am
He wrote that African-Americans are insufficiently grateful for being given their freedom: “The lack of gratitude and the deliberate ignoring of white history in relation to eliminating slavery is a disgrace that Negro leaders should own up to.”

Who fucking enslaved them? Holy fucking shit this asshole is one mental midget bigot.

24 S'latch  Nov 20, 2014 11:46:15am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Fact is, there are a lot of people like this in the Republican Party. It’s not by chance that Hansen rose to the top in Nevada - this is what the conservative movement is turning into, all over the US.

It’s the Rise of the Planet of the Cavemen.

This is the political party that is in the majority in our legislative branch of the national government.

This is the true story of 2014. It deserves to be covered more.

25 iossarian  Nov 20, 2014 11:46:37am

re: #19 Kragar

“Why are you eating your lunch? We’re having a potluck downstairs!”

GO.
DIE.
IN.
A.
FIRE.

You old curmudgeon you.

Here, try some of the fried rice.

26 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:46:51am

re: #19 Kragar

“Why are you eating your lunch? We’re having a potluck downstairs!”

GO.
DIE.
IN.
A.
FIRE.

We had a potluck for “International Talk Like A Pirate Day” so I brought some “authentic pirate food” some biscuits that I found at the back of the pantry that had been there for a couple of years.

27 iossarian  Nov 20, 2014 11:47:12am

I <3 potlucks.

28 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 11:47:59am

<blockquote>”Why doesn’t she leave?” Joyce A. Smith, the center’s executive director, asked rhetorically. “The right question is, ‘Why are we turning a blind eye when we hear screams and banging next door at 3 in the morning?’ “

also Paged

29 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:48:02am

Another classy Republican
OF COURSE HIS TWITTER BIO SAYS “CHRISTIAN”

30 allegro  Nov 20, 2014 11:48:56am

Bummer we can’t do a LGF potluck. With all the cooks here it would be a world class culinary event.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 11:50:45am

This will not end well (and I suspect it’s not an isolated incident in Buffalo right now):

32 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:50:57am

Speaking of potlucks, which pie should I make this week?

33 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 11:52:01am

re: #32 Vicious Piebola

Speaking of potlucks, which pie should I make this week?

KEY LIME!

34 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 11:52:19am

Look at my state, Illinois.

35 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 11:52:42am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shawn doubtless has the two weeks’ worth of the necessaries to provide for himself and his family when the next hurricane rolls through his state. Naw, he’ll be in line at the government trucks like all of his neighbors.

36 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 11:54:09am

re: #19 Kragar

Aw, c’mon, just try a bite of the jellied eel parfait.

37 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:54:16am

re: #33 FemNaziBitch

KEY LIME!

Made that last week.

38 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 11:55:41am

re: #32 Vicious Piebola

Speaking of potlucks, which pie should I make this week?

Is that a rhetorical question?

39 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:55:56am

LAKE EFFECT SNOW MAP
The Southern & Eastern shore gets it.

Lake Effect Snow Map
40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 11:56:21am
41 Franklin  Nov 20, 2014 11:56:31am

Obviously a fake video. St. Ronaldo The Protector would never say:

I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally” — Ronald Reagan in a 1984 debate vs Walter Mondale

Youtube Video

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 11:57:49am

re: #32 Vicious Piebola

Speaking of potlucks, which pie should I make this week?

Berry…it will make you think of summer!

43 Eventual Carrion  Nov 20, 2014 11:58:01am

re: #19 Kragar

“Why are you eating your lunch? We’re having a potluck downstairs!”

GO.
DIE.
IN.
A.
FIRE.

I don’t participate in ours either. I am in a better position since my office is across the parking lot in another building than the one they have the stuff setup in. I just don’t walk over there, and no one here says anything to me. I don’t participate in the monthly birthday cupcakes they like to do for the developers either. I keep to myself pretty much and do my thing and then leave at the end of the day. After almost 7 years here I am going to attend the christmas party for the first time this year (because my wife wants to go).

The only reason I am still here is because it is so close to home and with everything going on with my wife’s health I need to be close. They fucked me around the first 4 years here and I will never forgive them for that. New management 2.5 years ago hasn’t changed my mindset on this place. I have been asked to come back to the hospital system I was with before taking this position, but that would be a 1.5 to 2 hour drive one way every day rather than the 20 - 25 minute one I have to get here. Maybe after the wife gets cleared from having to get even more chemo treatments and can drive with her prosthetic leg finally, I will.

44 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 11:58:27am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wonder what the Republicans are going to hold hostage in return for disaster relief.

45 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:58:28am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

Berry…it will make you think of summer!

Blueberry, good idea.

46 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 11:58:40am

re: #7 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Feature, not a bug.

Damn straight.

That is exactly why they voted for this bald, round-headed, melanin-starved cracker cowboy.

/// Just a little equality of hate.

47 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 11:59:09am

re: #36 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Aw, c’mon, just try a bite of the jellied eel parfait.

48 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 11:59:28am

re: #44 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Wonder what the Republicans are going to hold hostage in return for disaster relief.

Climate change action
HURR HURR THIS PROOFS!! CONFIRMED!!! FACKT!!!!! THEIR IS NO GOREBULL WARMING!!!!1!!!!

49 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 12:00:37pm

re: #47 Kragar

Perfect! LOL

50 Kryptik  Nov 20, 2014 12:01:22pm

re: #48 Vicious Piebola

They’re already holding that hostage just because.

My guess is that they’ll withhold heating assistance for the lower classes.

51 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:03:22pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is what an asshole looks like:

[Embedded content]

People dying, people trapped in their homes, roofs collapsing, power outages, another 2-3 feet of snow coming.
I do not want to know what Shawn considers a “real crisis”.

A couple African Americans walking down his street.

/// …staying on topic

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 12:04:14pm
53 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:05:02pm

re: #18 Vicious Piebola

He’s in Carolina.

A-yep! And notice his sprint car in his Twitter avie. Good chance he fits in this topic. Damn good chance.

54 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 12:06:20pm

bbl

55 FemNaziBitch  Nov 20, 2014 12:06:30pm

re: #37 Vicious Piebola

Made that last week.

I didn’t get any!

56 EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2014 12:07:10pm

I’d give good money to see David Brooks, or any other GOP apologist pundit, pressed hard on how the GOP is not going to get taken over by racists of this kind.

57 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 12:07:20pm

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

I didn’t get any!

Those who are tardy do not get pie.

58 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:07:41pm

re: #20 lawhawk

This is the lineup of shows that ABC, NBC, Fox and CBS are running tonight (all but the two Latino networks are not preempting for the President’s speech):

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It’s all about ratings during Sweeps, and forget about actually hearing what the President’s policy is going to be, rather than what the pundits and right wingers say it will be.

It’s sad isn’t it? But with the tone of this country right now, they probably don’t want to upset viewers. Gotta have those ad ratings.

Keep saying it…our television media is dead and can not be counted on for anything but pure crap.

59 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 12:07:48pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

I’d give good money to see David Brooks, or any other GOP apologist pundit, pressed hard on how the GOP is not going to get taken over by racists of this kind.

Unpossible. The KKK was founded by Democrats!
///

60 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 12:11:55pm
61 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:12:41pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

This will not end well (and I suspect it’s not an isolated incident in Buffalo right now):

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Anyone familiar with ice damning? With this snow and the temps, add in forecasts for rain and this is going to be hell on homes. Especially ones that have low slope ratios.

My old place is so damn steep and slate, once the temps go up a bit or the sun comes out, I hear a rumble and then a pause and a big thump and my roof is now clean.

Just be sure not to be standing about ten feet out form under the roof when it happens. I heard that all day yesterday.

62 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 12:15:49pm

re: #61 ObserverArt

Anyone familiar with ice damning? With this snow and the temps, add in foretasted rain and this is going to be hell on homes. Especially one that have low slope ratios.

My old place is so damn steep and slate, once the temps go up a bit or the sun comes out, I hear a rumble and then a pause and a big thump and my roof is now clean.

Just be sure not be standing about ten feet out form under the roof when it happens. I heard that all day yesterday.

Rooftops in northern Europe have very steep pitched roofs.

63 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:16:37pm

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

I didn’t get any!

No one did. That is why I no longer care what damn pie she makes!!!

///

64 Sionainn  Nov 20, 2014 12:18:39pm

I wonder how this is going to play with the 2016 Senate race in Nevada. Rumors are that Governor Brian Sandoval (R) is going to take on Harry Reid.

65 #FergusonFireside  Nov 20, 2014 12:18:40pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

This will not end well (and I suspect it’s not an isolated incident in Buffalo right now):

[Embedded content]

SAVE THE KRAMER!

66 Jenner7  Nov 20, 2014 12:18:43pm
67 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 12:19:01pm

re: #63 ObserverArt

No one did. That is why I no longer care what damn pie she makes!!!

///

I put it out on the buffet table. You just took too long at the salad bar.

68 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:19:10pm

re: #62 Vicious Piebola

Rooftops in northern Europe have very steep pitched roofs.

My house is Dutch Tudor. Extremely steep.

69 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 12:19:39pm

re: #67 Vicious Piebola

I put it out on the buffet table. You just took too long at the salad bar.

We both know I didn’t spend any time at the salad bar.

70 Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2014 12:19:50pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is what an asshole looks like:

[Embedded content]

People dying, people trapped in their homes, roofs collapsing, power outages, another 2-3 feet of snow coming.
I do not want to know what Shawn considers a “real crisis”.

Ferguson, naturally.

71 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 20, 2014 12:21:57pm

re: #70 Mike Lamb

Ferguson, naturally.

OBAMA COMIN TO TAKE UR GUNZ!!!!!11

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 12:22:00pm

re: #65 #FergusonFireside

SAVE THE KRAMER!

yeah, his timeline tells more about The Kramer. :D

73 nines09  Nov 20, 2014 12:25:13pm

re: #32 Vicious Piebola
Pumpkin Pecan with a graham crust. Ummmmm…Pie.

74 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 12:26:49pm

re: #61 ObserverArt

Ice damning lets the water get under the roofing (more likely in low pitched roofs than a steeper pitch).

It’s the flat or low pitch roofs that are going to take the lake effect snows the worst - they don’t shed the snow easily and the edges by the soffit will freeze up, holding back melting snow behind it - getting it under the roofing and underlayment. If the weight exceeds the total load for the roof, it could collapse, especially as more snow and a warm up is expected into next week (with possible rain).

Snow rakes aren’t exactly useful when you’ve got multiple feet on the roof, but it may still be safer than going up there and trying to shovel it clear.

75 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:27:23pm

re: #73 nines09

Pumpkin Pecan with a graham crust. Ummmmm…Pie.

And don’t forget a nice dollop of real whipped cream.

Mmmmmm!

76 Sionainn  Nov 20, 2014 12:32:38pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

And don’t forget a nice dollop of real whipped cream.

Mmmmmm!

A little old dollop? Pumpkin pie must be slathered with whipped cream!

77 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:35:04pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Ice damning lets the water get under the roofing (more likely in low pitched roofs than a steeper pitch).

It’s the flat or low pitch roofs that are going to take the lake effect snows the worst - they don’t shed the snow easily and the edges by the soffit will freeze up, holding back melting snow behind it - getting it under the roofing and underlayment. If the weight exceeds the total load for the roof, it could collapse, especially as more snow and a warm up is expected into next week (with possible rain).

Snow rakes aren’t exactly useful when you’ve got multiple feet on the roof, but it may still be safer than going up there and trying to shovel it clear.

Exactly. Add in the capillary effect of water and many of those roofs are going to need to be completely replaced. The fact they use a lot of aspenite board (chipped wood glued together) and there will need to be new roof sheeting needed. The costs are going to be real high for the insurance companies.

I really feel for those poor people up there around Buffalo. This storm is unprecedented. And if climate change is what scientists predict, this isn’t going to be the last time this happens.

Which just made me realize. The GOP denies climate change. I wonder what the big insurance companies think about all that. Like Nationwide, headquartered here in Ohio. In time they may just flat out refuse to insure houses. And then what? Oh yeah…government! Like government flood insurances.

78 Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2014 12:38:28pm

Speaking of nutjobs, former Ron Paul adviser Eric Dondero is totally losing his shit on Twitter.

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 12:38:40pm

Science!

80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 20, 2014 12:39:23pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is what an asshole looks like:

[Embedded content]

People dying, people trapped in their homes, roofs collapsing, power outages, another 2-3 feet of snow coming.
I do not want to know what Shawn considers a “real crisis”.

It is a “minor” catastrope compared to Syria or Eastern Ukraine.

81 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 12:41:07pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Generally agree - it’s why some insurers have gotten out of residential insurance market (Allstate doesn’t insure homes in NJ for instance, and if you try to do a bundled policy with them, they get another insurer to step in).

Flood insurance is a double edged sword - it lets people build in places that are quite scenic and idyllic, but which are also prone to flooding. There should be a flood rebuilding limit - 3 strikes, and that’s it. You get bought out and the property is restored to wetlands. There are too many places that are routinely flooded and flood insurance provides a way for that area to rebuild time and time again. There are a couple of towns like that along the Passaic River that have repeatedly flooded, and they get rebuilt each and every time. Buyouts make more sense.

These kinds of snows reinforce the need for proper building codes to address severe weather conditions that localities may face. Rebuilding these damaged properties should require building back better and stronger - with higher pitched roofs, the ability to take higher weight/wind loads, and better ice dam protection.

82 dholmes32  Nov 20, 2014 12:41:11pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Crazy huh?

Not only are these people getting elected, they are getting to places of significant power AFTER getting elected.

I honestly think a future Wingnut President is a distinct possibility.

My boyfriend is convinced our next president will be Ted Cruz. Not that he likes the idea, he just thinks the way US politics goes, people will vote for the (R) to give the (R)s the chance to govern the country.

He doesn’t like it when I sweetly ask him where we plan to emigrate to if Cruz does become president.

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 12:41:18pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Speaking of nutjobs, former Ron Paul adviser Eric Dondero is totally losing his shit on Twitter.

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How is he able to get on the internet from the concentration camp?

84 Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2014 12:45:16pm
85 dholmes32  Nov 20, 2014 12:45:22pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

This will not end well (and I suspect it’s not an isolated incident in Buffalo right now):

[Embedded content]

Back when I lived in Utah, I knew someone who made good money sweeping off trailer park roofs (rooves?) after big snowstorms. Unfortunately, it’s my understanding it’s still snowing in the Buffalo region.

86 BeachDem  Nov 20, 2014 12:46:40pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Speaking of nutjobs, former Ron Paul adviser Eric Dondero is totally losing his shit on Twitter.

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I love RationalWiki’s description of him (under the heading—List of Internet Kooks)

Eric Dondero—A nuke-the-Middle East Republican fanatic who thinks he is a libertarian.

This particular bundle of contradictions is actually not all that uncommon, but Dondero is hyperactive about spamming every Internet forum imaginable with his barely-coherent wingnuttery.

He attacks big-L Libertarians for not being pro-war, libertarian-leaning Democrats for not being Republicans, anti-war Republicans for not being real Republicans, and his former boss, Ron Paul (who fired him), for just about everything. Following Barack Obama’s 2012 re-election, Dondero pledged to never again speak to any Democrat or anyone he suspected of sympathizing with Democrats, and urged his followers to immediately divorce Democrat spouses, disown any and all family members and friends who are Democrats, and quit their jobs if their bosses are Democrats.

Dondero also stated that he frequently asks supermarket cashiers what “EBT” means, so when they reply that it’s a government assistance program, he can loudly berate them for accepting welfare recipients.[1]

rationalwiki.org

87 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 12:47:14pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Speaking of nutjobs, former Ron Paul adviser Eric Dondero is totally losing his shit on Twitter.

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He seems nice.
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88 KerFuFFler  Nov 20, 2014 12:47:49pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Which just made me realize. The GOP denies climate change. I wonder what the big insurance companies think about all that. Like Nationwide, headquartered here in Ohio. In time they may just flat out refuse to insure houses. And then what? Oh yeah…government! Like government flood insurances.

I’ve been wondering how long it will be before insurance companies and agri-business join forces to fight the carbon energy industries over climate change. Energy companies are not the only business interests after all.

89 darthstar  Nov 20, 2014 12:48:37pm
90 #FergusonFireside  Nov 20, 2014 12:48:51pm
91 Ace-o-aces  Nov 20, 2014 12:49:32pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

92 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:50:17pm

re: #81 lawhawk

Generally agree - it’s why some insurers have gotten out of residential insurance market (Allstate doesn’t insure homes in NJ for instance, and if you try to do a bundled policy with them, they get another insurer to step in).

Flood insurance is a double edged sword - it lets people build in places that are quite scenic and idyllic, but which are also prone to flooding. There should be a flood rebuilding limit - 3 strikes, and that’s it. You get bought out and the property is restored to wetlands. There are too many places that are routinely flooded and flood insurance provides a way for that area to rebuild time and time again. There are a couple of towns like that along the Passaic River that have repeatedly flooded, and they get rebuilt each and every time. Buyouts make more sense.

These kinds of snows reinforce the need for proper building codes to address severe weather conditions that localities may face. Rebuilding these damaged properties should require building back better and stronger - with higher pitched roofs, the ability to take higher weight/wind loads, and better ice dam protection.

Yeah. I just mentioned flood insurance because it is my understanding that the government helps underwrite and support a lot of that under (GASP!) FEMA, if it not outright a government plan.

Just poking at all the people that want less government right up until the time they need their asses bailed out because their beloved freedom-loving, capitalism-loving big businesses abandon them.

And yes to all your other points. Think of all the nice public park land we would all have then.

93 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 12:54:18pm
94 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 20, 2014 12:54:30pm

“Ignoring white history in relation to eliminating slavery?”

Just who were the slaveholders in the South?

95 BeachDem  Nov 20, 2014 12:55:26pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Which just made me realize. The GOP denies climate change. I wonder what the big insurance companies think about all that. Like Nationwide, headquartered here in Ohio. In time they may just flat out refuse to insure houses. And then what? Oh yeah…government! Like government flood insurances.

Well, I can tell you from experience that Nationwide won’t be the first. I actually had to switch my homeowner’s insurance TO Nationwide when State Farm refused to insure anything within a mile of the beach.

96 BeachDem  Nov 20, 2014 12:57:03pm

re: #89 darthstar

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I wondered why there was steam coming out of wingnut ears at the grocery store earlier…

97 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:57:07pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

How is he able to get on the internet from the concentration camp?

He has an old telegraph machine.

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98 Ace-o-aces  Nov 20, 2014 12:58:10pm

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

“Ignoring white history in relation to eliminating slavery?”

Just who were the slaveholders in the South?

It’s like saying OJ doesn’t get enough credit for the fact he stopped stabbing Nicole.

99 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 12:58:34pm

re: #97 ObserverArt

He has an old telegraph machine.

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Awww. The extra spaces I added get taken out by the software. I had spelled out asshole in morse code.

100 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 12:58:41pm

Claiming that immigrant rights groups are “calling for the return of the Spanish territory, which could be almost half of the United States,” the caller warned, “When one race or culture overwhelms another culture, they run them out or they kill them. And it’s a bigger issue than just being Democrats. And they know in numbers, once the numbers are so bad, they can pretty much do whatever they want to do.”

“What protects us in America from any kind of ethnic cleansing is the rule of law, of course,” Kobach responded. “And the rule of law used to be unassailable, used to be taken for granted in America. And now, of course, we have a president who disregards the law when it suits his interests. So, while I normally would answer that by saying, ‘Steve, of course we have the rule of law, that could never happen in America,’ I wonder what could happen. I still don’t think it’s going to happen in America, but I have to admit, things are strange and they are happening.”
- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 1:01:22pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

Awww. The extra spaces I added get taken out by the software. I had spelled out asshole in morse code.

I figured it out. :D

102 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 1:01:43pm
103 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 1:02:04pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

Awww. The extra spaces I added get taken out by the software. I had spelled out asshole in morse code.

Next time, use / to separate

104 EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2014 1:04:47pm

re: #82 dholmes32

My boyfriend is convinced our next president will be Ted Cruz. Not that he likes the idea, he just thinks the way US politics goes, people will vote for the (R) to give the (R)s the chance to govern the country.

He doesn’t like it when I sweetly ask him where we plan to emigrate to if Cruz does become president.

If Cruz ends up as the (R) nominee in 2016, I’ll definitely put in a passport application.

105 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 1:04:59pm

re: #95 BeachDem

Well, I can tell you from experience that Nationwide won’t be the first. I actually had to switch my homeowner’s insurance TO Nationwide when State Farm refused to insure anything within a mile of the beach.

You are lucky. I know some Columbus folks that live south Florida and wanted to use the ol’ home town insurance company (Nationwide for non-Columbus folk). Up until a few years ago when Nationwide got cold feet due to all the storm damages from hurricanes they were fine. Some of them now have less than A rated companies, and they sure as hell can afford big policies.

106 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 1:05:09pm

That damned Marxist, socialist, fascist, Leninist, Stalinist, Hitleresque (apologies to the -ists I left out) president Obama did it again. Another record close for the stock market.

107 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 1:05:18pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

I figured it out. :D

Yea!!!

108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 1:06:01pm
109 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 1:06:05pm

Big Stone County Republican chairman Jack Whitley said he opposed waterboarding terrorists because he believed that Muslim “parasites” should be killed.

“I am opposed to waterboarding muslim terrorists because it is a waste of resources,” he wrote Wednesday on Facebook “They are muslims, they are terrorist, we know where they are from, we know where their buddies are, we know where thier mosque’s are, we know millions of these parasites travel to Mecca every year and when…FRAG ‘EM! Simplicity. I love when it all comes together!”

[Errors are reproduced from the originals.]

The comments were first reported by the Bluestem Prairie blog.

Whitley said Thursday that he would not apologize for his remarks. He said Muslims should either convert to Christianity or leave the United States.

110 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 1:08:17pm

re: #103 Kragar

Next time, use / to separate

I’m not that up on morse code, but aren’t those to be used to separate words if typing code with a typewriter?

111 Kryptik  Nov 20, 2014 1:09:23pm

re: #109 Kragar

My concern is how many Americans actually agree with him on this. It might not poll well, but I wouldn’t doubt that a large segment, if not an outright majority, would be nodding their heads, agreeing with this shit.

Then again, my opinion of Americans in general lately has bottomed out, and not without reason.

112 Ace-o-aces  Nov 20, 2014 1:09:45pm

In fairness to Mr. Hansen, I would like to highlight some more enlightened sentiment he once expressed.

newsreview.com

“After [the] terrorist attack, I listened to talk radio extensively and was appalled by the sentiments being expressed, especially by syndicated KOH host Mike Savage,” Hansen wrote in a Sparks Tribune column that ran Sept. 23. “Savage, who is Jewish, was calling for all-out war against all Islamic and Arab nations in the Middle East, openly naming Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and several others. He was totally in earnest, speaking of the need to, in effect, wipe all Muslims off the Earth. … I was disgusted, and when my Saturday [radio] show came up, my entire focus was on combating this blind and vengeful hatred against all Muslims and Arabs.”

113 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 1:11:57pm

Yay! I’ve been told to go to Cuba or Russia because I believe in Congress adhering to the General Welfare Clause of Article 1, Section 8, and that the GOP has come out against that very provision with practically every action they’ve taken.

Oppose Obamacare? Violative of general welfare.
Oppose clean water, clean air, or carbon emissions? Yup.
Oppose workplace safety rules? Yup.
Oppose eliminating racism in workplace? Ditto

On and on it goes? So some tweep decided that I’d be better off moving to Cuba or Russia. How, quaint.

The tweep’s been blocked.

114 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 1:13:22pm

re: #113 lawhawk

I saw that.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 1:17:00pm
116 Bubblehead II  Nov 20, 2014 1:21:50pm

Well here is some good news. Even though the big National “news” services and broadcasters are not going to be airing the Presidents speech, it looks like the smaller home town stations will. At least here in Twin Falls anyway.

KMVT To Broadcast President Obama’s Speech Concerning Immigration

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 20, 2014 1:22:55pm

re: #32 Vicious Piebola

Speaking of potlucks, which pie should I make this week?

Something with a meringue on top in honor of Buffalo.

118 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:24:15pm

re: #100 Kragar

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Mitt Romney’s immigration adviser, ladies and gents and the SoS of Kansas. Really as someone with Hispanic in laws and a niece, fuck Kobach and fuck his party too.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 20, 2014 1:24:58pm

re: #61 ObserverArt

Anyone familiar with ice damning? With this snow and the temps, add in forecasts for rain and this is going to be hell on homes. Especially ones that have low slope ratios.

My old place is so damn steep and slate, once the temps go up a bit or the sun comes out, I hear a rumble and then a pause and a big thump and my roof is now clean.

Just be sure not to be standing about ten feet out form under the roof when it happens. I heard that all day yesterday.

Also with the snow on the ground in depth there will be little or no soil absorption of most of the initial run-off. Expect to see to some serious creek flooding this weekend since it is expected to warm up above freezing over the weekend.

120 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:26:55pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Speaking of nutjobs, former Ron Paul adviser Eric Dondero is totally losing his shit on Twitter.

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Wow. Ragegasm at nine o’clock.

121 TedStriker  Nov 20, 2014 1:31:14pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Wow. Ragegasm at nine o’clock.

If Dondero were to suddenly blow a rage gasket and have an aneurysm one of these days, you wouldn’t see me cry about it.

122 hydrolik  Nov 20, 2014 1:33:50pm

Looks like the GOP has headed back to the golf course while Obama plans to get shit done again. RED TIDE!
Breitbart: Republicans Leave Town Without A Plan To Fight Obama

123 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 1:34:11pm

East Aurora NY, come on down, you’re the big winner in this round of lake effect snow. 23 inches and counting.

But here are the big totals so far:

Cheektowaga, New York: 65 inches as of 10 a.m. Wednesday (Round 1)
- Lancaster, New York: 63 inches as of 9:44 a.m. Wednesday (Round 1)
- Hamburg, New York: 63 inches as of 7 a.m. Thursday (Rounds 1 and 2)
- Gardenville, New York: 60 inches as of 8 p.m. Tuesday (Round 1)
- West Seneca, New York: 59 inches as of 6 a.m. Thursday (Rounds 1 and 2)
- Elma, New York: 51 inches as of 8 p.m. Tuesday (Round 1)
- Blasdell, New York: 50 inches as of 7 a.m. Thursday (Rounds 1 and 2)
- South side of Buffalo: 48.5 inches as of 9 a.m. Thursday (Rounds 1 and 2)
- Alden, New York: 48 inches as of 12:52 p.m. Tuesday (Round 1)
- Orchard Park, New York: 48 inches as of 8 p.m. Tuesday (Round 1)
- Depew, New York: 42 inches as of noon Tuesday (Round 1)
- Buffalo Int’l Airport: 16.9 inches as of 7 a.m. Thursday (Rounds 1 and 2)

124 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:36:00pm

re: #122 hydrolik

Looks like the GOP has headed back to the golf course while Obama plans to get shit done again. RED TIDE!
Breitbart: Republicans Leave Town Without A Plan To Fight Obama

Because they don’t have a plan for immigration and their base is happy to hear xenophobic dog whistles that Obama through his magic wand will make all these people Democratic voters. Of course. These people themselves with their bigotry do a lot of that on their own.

125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 1:37:39pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

These mean children want to run the country.

126 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 1:38:07pm

re: #121 TedStriker

If Dondero were to suddenly blow a rage gasket and have an aneurysm one of these days, you wouldn’t see me cry about it.

You wouldn’t see me being classy about it either.

127 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:39:08pm

re: #126 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

You wouldn’t see me being classy about it either.

Hard to do so when he thinks anyone to his left is a klansman socialist lol. He’s deranged.

128 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:39:47pm

You have to be though to work for a bigot like Ron Paul though.

129 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 1:41:52pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

You have to be though to work for a bigot like Ron Paul though.

“I’m not a bigot, I just let some bigots run my newsletter which I myself never read, you libtard!”

130 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:42:52pm

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“I’m not a bigot, I just let some bigots run my newsletter which I myself never read, you libtard!”

Lol yeah. Really there’s no way that Ron Paul looks good with the newsletters that show him to be a huge bigoted kook.

131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 20, 2014 1:44:25pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Lol yeah. Really there’s no way that Ron Paul looks good with the newsletters that show him to be a huge bigoted kook.

Ignore that man behind the letterhead!

132 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 1:45:09pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Is Ron Paul a “racist.” In short, No. I worked for the man for 12 years, pretty consistently. I never heard a racist word expressed towards Blacks or Jews come out of his mouth. Not once. And understand, I was his close personal assistant. It’s safe to say that I was with him on the campaign trail more than any other individual, whether it be traveling to Fairbanks, Alaska or Boston, Massachusetts in the presidential race, or across the congressional district to San Antonio or Corpus Christi, Texas.

~ Dondero

133 makeitstop  Nov 20, 2014 1:45:30pm

re: #122 hydrolik

Looks like the GOP has headed back to the golf course while Obama plans to get shit done again. RED TIDE!
Breitbart: Republicans Leave Town Without A Plan To Fight Obama

They’ve decided that it’s more to their advantage to squawk about it than actually do anything.

They’ve forgotten how to govern.

134 #FergusonFireside  Nov 20, 2014 1:45:46pm

re: #122 hydrolik

Looks like the GOP has headed back to the golf course while Obama plans to get shit done again. RED TIDE!
Breitbart: Republicans Leave Town Without A Plan To Fight Obama

Ha! The comments are pretty weak so far.

135 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 1:46:02pm

Paul is not a racist , but Obama is Hitler, hurr hurr.

136 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:47:13pm

re: #132 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

~ Dondero

Yet he had no problem with Lew Rockwell writing racist crap in his name. At the very least Ron Paul has terrible judgement.

137 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 1:48:35pm

Dondero:

Is Ron Paul an Anti-Semite? Absolutely No. As a Jew, (half on my mother’s side), I can categorically say that I never heard anything out of his mouth, in hundreds of speeches I listened too over the years, or in my personal presence that could be called, “Anti-Semite.” No slurs. No derogatory remarks.

He is however, most certainly Anti-Israel, and Anti-Israeli in general. He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. He expressed this to me numerous times in our private conversations. His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the America taxpayer.

So, let’s see how the wingnut math works.

Paul thinks that Israel should not have existed. He’s no antisemite.
Obama expresses condolences to Jewish victims. He’s Hitler.

138 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 1:51:04pm

re: #122 hydrolik

Looks like the GOP has headed back to the golf course while Obama plans to get shit done again. RED TIDE!
Breitbart: Republicans Leave Town Without A Plan To Fight Obama

Ha! They quote my former ol’ Congresssnake Pat Tiberi. I think that is the first time I have seen anything in national media that mentions him. He is usually unseen and unknown. This goes to show they had to interview the scrub GOP congress members to get a quote. Even the reserves were gone. Everyone else doesn’t know what to say or do.

Tiberi had his district redrawn two elections ago and now I have African-American Joyce Beatty in the old Ohio third district, a democrat.

Figures all the GOP has is more bluster and they can’t even figure out how they are going to deal with Obama’s executive action except cry.

Can you imagine if they named a Navy cruiser after John Boehner or old Turtleneck McConnell. It’d be a damn curse. The ship would never get out of the docks and it’s gun and missiles would never fire. But damn, it sure would huff and puff!

139 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 1:52:10pm

re: #138 ObserverArt

Ha! They quote my former ol’ Congresssnake Pat Tiberi. I think that is the first time I have seen anything in national media that mentions him. He is usually unseen and unknown. This goes to show they had to interview the scrub GOP congress members to get a quote. Even the reserves were gone. Everyone else doesn’t know what to say or do.

Tiberi had his district redrawn two elections ago and now I have African-American Joyce Beatty in the old Ohio third district, a democrat.

Figures all the GOP has is more bluster and they can’t even figure out how they are going to deal with Obama’s executive action except cry.

Can you imagine if they named a Navy cruiser after John Boehner or old Turtleneck McConnell. It’d be a damn curse. The ship would never get out of the docks and it’s gun and missiles would never fire. But damn, it sure would huff and puff!

The navy cruiser would tey to repeal Obamacare.

140 dog philosopher  Nov 20, 2014 1:54:35pm

World Awaits Chance To Deplore Whatever Obama Says

cursed executive incapable of doing anything right

141 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 1:58:22pm

Lugansk 2010, a local deputy: “Let’s celebrate the Holodomor with dancing and shashlik!”

Lugansk 2014: I wonder what she think now that the food comes to an end.

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 1:59:11pm

Another asshole pipes up:

143 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:00:05pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another asshole pipes up:

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What the fuck.

144 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 2:02:17pm

re: #141 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Hmm, according to her facebook she feels herself pretty well, like the collaborators under the Nazi regime. Hopefully, for a short time.

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145 The Mountain That Blogs  Nov 20, 2014 2:02:37pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

His last tweet before that was an RT of Alex Jones

146 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 2:05:59pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another asshole pipes up:

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Not being a twitterer, I get the biggest kicks out of reading all those little bios. Especially with all the RWNJs. Damn arrogance and over-blown pomposity seems to be the norm. And many appear to have blogs and conservative organizations they are members of or started.

Say, isn’t that all community organization?

147 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:08:44pm

re: #146 ObserverArt

Not being a twitterer, I get the biggest kicks out of reading all those little bios. Especially with all the RWNJs. Damn arrogance and over-blown pomposity seems to be the norm. And many appear to have blogs and conservative organizations they are members of or started.

Say, isn’t that all community organization?

It’s like bingo. You win if the person describes themselves as a patriot, conservative, and Christian. I always found the conservative over-inflated sense of self and ideology greatly amusing. Like you know, I’m a liberal but I don’t let it dominate all aspects of my life where I have to only have liberal people in my social circle. I certainly would laugh if someone suggested a “liberal” alternative to facebook or wikipedia like we saw with “Reaganbook” and the very real “Conserveopedia. Edited to add but I also find the constant conservative conference funny. From CPAC to the VVS. All these seem like the same old thing: Conservatives complaining that things just aren’t how they “used” to be.

148 dog philosopher  Nov 20, 2014 2:13:21pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

It’s like bingo. You win if the person describes themselves as a patriot, conservative, and Christian. I always found the conservative over-inflated sense of self and ideology greatly amusing. Like you know, I’m a liberal but I don’t let it dominate all aspects of my life where I have to only have liberal people in my social circle. I certainly would laugh if someone suggested a “liberal” alternative to facebook or wikipedia like we saw with “Reaganbook” and the very real “Conserveopedia.

reality bats last

149 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 2:14:40pm

re: #100 Kragar

Kobach Wonders If Hispanic Majority Would Conduct ‘Ethnic Cleansing’ In U.S.

Kobach came close to letting the cat out of the bag. The reason that the racism and xenophobia has gone to eleven in this country is that there are so many white people who are terrified that they’ll be treated just as they treated minorities when we inevitably become a majority-minority nation.

150 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:15:43pm

re: #148 dog philosopher

reality bats last

I am always amused by former lefties who claim they become conservatives because of reality. I believe Irving Kristol called himself a liberal mugged by reality. From what I gather, I think Mr. Kristol was someone who discovered that he found war more important than any of the facets of liberalism.

151 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 2:17:18pm
152 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:18:28pm

re: #149 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Kobach came close to letting the cat out of the bag. The reason that the racism and xenophobia has gone to eleven in this country is that there are so many white people who are terrified that they’ll be treated just as they treated minorities when we inevitably become a majority-minority nation.

The thing that’s amusing to me and I was astounded that Kobach echoed is the whole “repatriate the land for old Spain” nonsense. For many Latinos, Spain is as distant as our ancestral countries and hell in the case of my brother’s father in law’s maternal grandparents, Spain’s not even the fatherland. There’s so much ignorance among many Anglo Americans about the Hispanic community that it’s not even funny anymore.

153 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 2:21:49pm
154 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:21:52pm

I do love hearing wingnuts complain about Spanish being spoken in parts of the country where Spanish was being spoken before any English. We’ve been joking about my niece though that she’s lucky. She’s going to have two first words- one in English and one in Spanish. I think she’s going to have a nice edge in school speaking both languages from the start. It will help her in many ways.

155 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 2:22:28pm

re: #153 Kragar

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Aww, he’s the winner.

156 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:23:23pm

re: #155 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Aww, he’s the weiner.

FTFY

157 TedStriker  Nov 20, 2014 2:23:53pm

re: #149 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Kobach came close to letting the cat out of the bag. The reason that the racism and xenophobia has gone to eleven in this country is that there are so many white people who are terrified that they’ll be treated just as they treated minorities when we inevitably become a majority-minority nation.

The proverbial “chickens coming home to roost” scenario.

158 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 2:26:26pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

The thing that’s amusing to me and I was astounded that Kobach echoed is the whole “repatriate the land for old Spain” nonsense. For many Latinos, Spain is as distant as our ancestral countries and hell in the case of my brother’s father in law’s grandparents, Spain’s not even the fatherland. There’s so much ignorance among many Anglo Americans about the Hispanic community that it’s not even funny anymore.

There are some Hispanic fringe groups that insist that we must give back the land stolen from Mexico. The fact that Mexico stole the land from Spain which had stolen it from the Native Americans is lost on them.

159 Floral Giraffe  Nov 20, 2014 2:26:27pm

re: #153 Kragar

That is just wrong!

160 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 2:26:45pm

BREAKING! David Spade gets EXCLUSIVE access to GOP playbook!

161 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:26:54pm

I guess there really is a fear among conservatives especially those who have never really met any minorities that if minorities ever gain political power that they’ll use it for “revenge” It just shows me that conservatism at its core right now in this country is an ideology of fear. It’s an ideology that relies on people’s fears and resentments. And honestly, I think that’s sad. I’ve been really blessed not just to grow up in a diverse community but to see my own brother marry into an immigrant family.

162 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:30:08pm

re: #158 Higgs Boson’s Mate

There are some Hispanic fringe groups that insist that we must give back the land stolen from Mexico. The fact that Mexico stole the land from Spain which had stolen it from the Native Americans is lost on them.

Right and as you say those are fringe groups. Plus psst many of these Hispanic immigrants come from other countries. I mean it always amused me as a kid hearing about the “damn Mexicans” when many of our immigrants here in Northern Va were El Salvadorian and that El Salvadorian culture is different from Mexican culture and so on. The Hispanic emigrants to this country are a diverse bunch. Hell, I’ve had to explain to my own mother and grandmother countless times that there is no Hispanic race and that my brother’s fil has some of the same ancestry they do just that his grandparents emigrated to Peru instead of the US.

163 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 2:33:02pm
164 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:33:28pm

History does repeat itself though. First, we heard about how the Germans and Irish were going to ruin our great “Protestant” Republic. Then we heard about how the Italians, Jews, and Slavs would ruin it with their “radical” ideas. Now we hear about how Hispanics and Asians are going to ruin it because their “values” aren’t American. Eventually we will have a president I think that is a child of these immigrants and I expect to see the same reaction that we did in certain quarters that we did when we elected our current president and honestly that’s sad.

165 TedStriker  Nov 20, 2014 2:35:31pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I guess there really is a fear among conservatives especially those who have never really met any minorities that if minorities ever gain political power that they’ll use it for “revenge” It just shows me that conservatism at its core right now in this country is an ideology of fear. It’s an ideology that relies on people’s fears and resentments. And honestly, I think that’s sad. I’ve been really blessed not just to grow up in a diverse community but to see my own brother marry into an immigrant family.

You know why, right? Because it’s what they’ve done to the “others”, from the Founding and before; they’re scared shitless of a world that doesn’t have straight, white, “Christian” males at the top of the heap.

166 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:37:44pm

re: #165 TedStriker

You know why, right? Because it’s what they’ve done to the “others”, from the Founding and before; they’re scared shitless of a world that doesn’t have straight, white, “Christian” males at the top of the heap.

Of course. They think minorities are as hateful as they are. It’s why they constantly talk about how Obama wants “revenge” on white people.

167 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 2:43:38pm

White people are just so perfect in every way, doncha know. ////

168 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:46:30pm

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

White people are just so perfect in every way, doncha know. ////

Blacks should be grateful to whites for ending slavery.// Nevermind who fought to preserve slavery. Damn minorities and their lack of gratitude.//

169 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 2:49:13pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Blacks should be grateful to whites for ending slavery.// Nevermind who fought to preserve slavery. Damn minorities and their lack of gratitude.//

Blacks had slaves too!

170 TedStriker  Nov 20, 2014 2:49:36pm

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

White people are just so perfect in every way, doncha know. ////

Yes, I know I am!

///

171 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:49:42pm

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

Blacks had slaves too!

There were black confederates.//

172 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 2:50:46pm

Go take a flying leap, Boehner.

Video: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, releases brief statement ahead of President Obama’s immigration announcement; ‘Instead of working together to fix our broken immigration system, the president says he’s acting on his own. That is just not how our democracy works’ - @SpeakerBoehner
see original on youtube.com

And another laughable bit:

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, releases 2015 Senate calendar; Senate to work Fridays, schedule to more closely mirror House - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

The only body of “workers” who get half the year off for monkey business.

173 dog philosopher  Nov 20, 2014 2:52:13pm

forced to attend the failing and inferior government school system

therefore he would like to use tax money to pay for tuition at non-public schools, which would of course then make the american grade school system 100% socialist

…and im sure he loves socialism

175 sagehen  Nov 20, 2014 2:52:30pm

re: #163 Kragar

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Some of mine might have come here illegally — on Mom’s side they got here in the 1880’s (no rules), but Dad’s came in the 1920’s. Not sure of the exact year, but they might have skirted the Jew quota.

They didn’t speak any English, not when they arrived or for decades after. They worked cheap (driving down wages!!), they didn’t assimilate (lived in a Yiddish-speaking neighborhood, bought from Yiddish-speaking merchants, worked for Yiddish-speaking foremen, read Yiddish newspapers and attended Yiddish theater), they certainly didn’t adhere to anyone’s version of Christian culture.

And they were criminals! Prohibition. Sabbath wine, plus all the holidays, weddings, bar mitzvahs, births, deaths, lots of drinking. And no way were they going to register on “the Jew list” to get special exemption from the Volsted Act. They just bought illegally.

And the anchor babies…

176 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:53:01pm

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

Go take a flying leap, Boehner.

Video: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, releases brief statement ahead of President Obama’s immigration announcement; ‘Instead of working together to fix our broken immigration system, the president says he’s acting on his own. That is just not how our democracy works’ - @SpeakerBoehner
see original on youtube.com

And another laughable bit:

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, releases 2015 Senate calendar; Senate to work Fridays, schedule to more closely mirror House - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

The only body of “workers” who get half the year off for monkey business.

What a fucking joke Boehner. You cry about him doing this yet you keep on pushing ACA repeals that you know he’ll never sign yet you accuse him of not being cooperative. Got some balls Orangeman, I give you that but as an actual leader, you fail yet again.

177 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:54:06pm

re: #175 sagehen

Some of mine might have come here illegally — on Mom’s side they got here in the 1880’s (no rules), but Dad’s came in the 1920’s. Not sure of the exact year, but they might have skirted the Jew quota.

They didn’t speak any English, not when they arrived or for decades after. They worked cheap (driving down wages!!), they didn’t assimilate (lived in a Yiddish-speaking neighborhood, bought from Yiddish-speaking merchants, worked for Yiddish-speaking foremen, read Yiddish newspapers and attended Yiddish theater), they certainly didn’t adhere to anyone’s version of Christian culture.

And they were criminals! Prohibition. Sabbath wine, plus all the holidays, weddings, bar mitzvahs, births, deaths, lots of drinking. And no way were they going to register on “the Jew list” to get special exemption from the Volsted Act. They just bought illegally.

And the anchor babies…

I honestly have no idea about the status of mine but legal or illegal, I know they were trying to make a better life and future for their families. And that alone is why I am sympathetic to the immigrants of today trying to do the same.

178 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 2:57:00pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

What a fucking joke Boehner. You cry about him doing this yet you keep on pushing ACA repeals that you know he’ll never sign yet you accuse him of not being cooperative. Got some balls Orangeman, I give you that but as an actual leader, you fail yet again.

My ancestors have a checkered history—they came over on the first wave of invaders. Or was it the second? Never could get a straight answer on that one.

Damn it, if they’d kept their butts in England, I’d be on the National Health. : )

Woops—that was meant for SageHen.

179 Jenner7  Nov 20, 2014 2:57:47pm
180 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 2:58:47pm

re: #179 Jenner7

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Well considering they despise H.W Bush now, that’s awful // but it does show you how downright insane they are that they are flipping out over Obama having a similar approach to immigration as George H.W Bush.

181 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 2:59:35pm

America, Fuck yeah! Mississippi Edition

Hospital told employees for years pension was funded when it wasn’t

Singing River Health System sent statements in 2009, 2010 and 2011 to each employee showing how much the system paid into their individual retirement, with colorful pie charts that showed millions invested overall in the pension plan.

It turns out the health system contributed no money to the pension plan after 2009, SRHS executives now acknowledge.

One December 2011 statement Pascagoula attorney Dustin Thomas reviewed, for example, said the employee paid more than $2,500 into the retirement plan, and SRHS put in more than $5,500. The pie chart lists the health system’s overall investment in retirement for the year at $7.6 million.

SRHS employees are waiting to learn what they can expect in retirement pay now that the health system has conceded the plan is only 48 percent funded, with a shortfall of roughly $150 million.

Biloxi attorney Jim Reeves sat in his conference room recently with one of the statements a client brought him.

“I don’t think it can be interpreted any other way but to lead them to believe that they in fact were getting the retirement benefits that they were promised,” Reeves said. “This makes the situation doubly tragic because we have people who — if they were told this thing was in trouble in ‘09 or ‘10 when it got in trouble — could have made different arrangements. Many of them stayed at the hospital because of the good retirement plan. Those are years and potential investment monies that are gone and you can’t get back.”

There’s a real Enron vibe to this. As you might remember, executives in that company told employees almost right up until the very end that buying company stock was a wise move.

To add to the Enron-esque feel, the architects of this particular problem are trying to run away from it too:

Former CEO Chris Anderson left just before SRHS’ financial problems began to surface in March. Anderson, now CEO at Baptist Hospital in Jackson, has not responded to repeated calls from the newspaper.

A representative for Baptist sent the following response when the Sun Herald requested interviews with Anderson or his board of trustees:

“Due to the fact of what is happening at Singing River has nothing to do with Baptist Health Systems, I decline your request. If Chris decides he wants to speak with you, he will call you. But, as I mentioned, for right now, he doesn’t wish to be interviewed.”

Gee, I wonder why that could be?

And of course, like Enron, the people who bear the most pain are those who worked hard for the hospital for so long:

Attorney Dustin Thomas said the SRHS employees he’s talked to are “broken-hearted.”

Thomas thought about those employees when Holland spoke recently to the Pascagoula Rotary Club. Why wasn’t he talking to the employees instead? he wondered.

“I get messages every day, every night,” Thomas said. “I’ve noticed something as I’ve talked with employees.

“They truly believed in this hospital system they work for. They truly believe. And they made an investment of their time — their time away from family — did shift work, worked very hard for a hospital system that made a promise to them. And I think they’re just shell-shocked now that apparently that promise meant nothing to the hospital system.”

But nope, no regulation needed here, everything is just hunky dory, yes siree.

182 Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2014 3:00:21pm

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

Go take a flying leap, Boehner.

Video: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, releases brief statement ahead of President Obama’s immigration announcement; ‘Instead of working together to fix our broken immigration system, the president says he’s acting on his own. That is just not how our democracy works’ - @SpeakerBoehner
see original on youtube.com

And another laughable bit:

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, releases 2015 Senate calendar; Senate to work Fridays, schedule to more closely mirror House - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

The only body of “workers” who get half the year off for monkey business.

Translation: John of Orange wants everybody to forget about that bill the Senate passed because Republicans certainly did the moment it reached the House.

183 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:01:19pm

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

America, Fuck yeah! Mississippi Edition

Hospital told employees for years pension was funded when it wasn’t

There’s a real Enron vibe to this. As you might remember, executives in that company told employees almost right up until the very end that buying company stock was a wise move.

To add to the Enron-esque field, the architects of this particular problem are trying to run away from it too:

Gee, I wonder why that could be?

And of course, like Enron, the people who bear the most pain are those who worked hard for the hospital for so long:

But nope, no regulation needed here, everything is just hunky dory, yes siree.

We need less regulation because regulations are eviiiiiiiiiiiiiil.

184 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:02:08pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Translation: John of Orange wants everybody to forget about that bill the Senate passed because Republicans certainly did the moment it reached the House.

Yep. He wants to blame Obama for acting on something that he refused to act on because he’s the water carrier for a bunch of extremist kooks.

185 Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2014 3:03:15pm

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

America, Fuck yeah! Mississippi Edition

Hospital told employees for years pension was funded when it wasn’t

There’s a real Enron vibe to this. As you might remember, executives in that company told employees almost right up until the very end that buying company stock was a wise move.

To add to the Enron-esque field, the architects of this particular problem are trying to run away from it too:

Gee, I wonder why that could be?

And of course, like Enron, the people who bear the most pain are those who worked hard for the hospital for so long:

But nope, no regulation needed here, everything is just hunky dory, yes siree.

Obviously the staff were at fault for wanting pensions. How dare they expect the contract they made with the hospital to be upheld? Don’t they know the only contracts that matter are the ones promising big bonuses to execs?

////

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 3:03:59pm

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Honoring “contracts” are only for the 1%.

187 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:04:16pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Well considering they despise H.W Bush now, that’s awful but it does show you how downright insane they are that they are flipping out over Obama having a similar approach to immigration as George H.W Bush.

Shouldn’t they really be comparing him to St. Ronnie, who actually signed a bill that gave amnesty to almost 3M people in 1986? And they even stripped out the proviso for a border fence because he didn’t like it.

188 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:06:06pm

re: #187 Justanotherhuman

Shouldn’t they really be comparing him to St. Ronnie, who actually signed a bill that gave amnesty to almost 3M people in 1986? And they even stripped out the proviso for a border fence because he didn’t like it.

No idea. Wasn’t familiar with that Ronnie actually stripped out a fence though. The fact is though Obama’s hardly radical at all on immigration even compared with conservative Republican predecessors. These assholes want a POTUS that resembles Sheriff Joe more than any president we’ve had.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 3:06:24pm

I was actually thinking about this earlier today and came to the conclusion that the GOP is stalling on amnesty because their underpaid, paid under the table undocumented workers would be able to come out of hiding and get all uppity by demanding they be treated like human beings.

190 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 3:06:47pm

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Former CEO Chris Anderson left just before SRHS’ financial problems began to surface in March. Anderson, now CEO at Baptist Hospital in Jackson, has not responded to repeated calls from the newspaper.

A representative for Baptist sent the following response when the Sun Herald requested interviews with Anderson or his board of trustees:

“Due to the fact of what is happening at Singing River has nothing to do with Baptist Health Systems, I decline your request. If Chris decides he wants to speak with you, he will call you. But, as I mentioned, for right now, he doesn’t wish to be interviewed.”

So Baptist Hospital not only hired this crook, it’s shielding him from the press. That’s some religion ya’ got there, folks. If I was an employee of Baptist I’d pull every last cent out the retirement fund and roll it over into something else.

191 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:07:23pm

“Robinson says Reagan’s own diaries show the president found the idea of a militantly staffed border fence difficult to take. In a private meeting with then-President Jose Lopez Portillo of Mexico in 1979, Reagan wrote that he hoped to discuss how the United States and Mexico could make the border “something other than the location for a fence.”

npr.org

192 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:09:01pm

Go big!

President Obama’s immigration orders will spare 5 million in US illegally, mostly parents, from deportations - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

193 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:09:14pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I was actually thinking about this earlier today and came to the conclusion that the GOP is stalling on amnesty because their underpaid, paid under the table undocumented workers would be able to come out of hiding and get all uppity by demanding they be treated like human beings.

That’s part of it but part of it is I think they really do fear those groups naturalizing and voting Democratic. Now the difference is that’s a good thing to have immigrants assimilating (read voting) and unlike the GOP nitwits, I see that the GOP themselves have done more than anyone to make Hispanics a reliable voting bloc for Democrats. In short, the GOP and right are upset that these people will vote and start voting their shitty candidates and officeholders out.

194 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:10:16pm

re: #191 Justanotherhuman

“Robinson says Reagan’s own diaries show the president found the idea of a militantly staffed border fence difficult to take. In a private meeting with then-President Jose Lopez Portillo of Mexico in 1979, Reagan wrote that he hoped to discuss how the United States and Mexico could make the border “something other than the location for a fence.”

npr.org

Isn’t it sad that a Republican with that position on immigrants would never make it out of the primaries these days? I am not a fan of Reagan at all but I concede that he at least had a humanity on this subject that so many of them lack.

195 Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2014 3:10:48pm

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Go big!

President Obama’s immigration orders will spare 5 million in US illegally, mostly parents, from deportations - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

And that, really, is what should stand out the most about this. The GOP is saying one of two things: Immigration laws are more important than keeping families together or that deporting US citizens is an acceptable solution to keeping those families together.

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 3:11:10pm
197 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:13:30pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

And that, really, is what should stand out the most about this. The GOP is saying one of two things: Immigration laws are more important than keeping families together or that deporting US citizens is an acceptable solution to keeping those families together.

Family values.// But yeah, I think the GOP’s actions on immigration show how they’re not a party of family values at all. And I think their reaction to this is going to show the many immigrant families that will benefit from this exec order how little they care about families. “Family values” to the GOP is disowning gay relatives and harassing women who get abortions. Family values to the POTUS and his allies OTOH is actually about real love. Not hate disguised as values.

198 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 3:13:56pm

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

White people are just so perfect in every way, doncha know. ////

Didn’t I see a downding on this comment when I logged in?

What’s up with that?

Meteor. Do you want to explain that for the members?

199 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 3:14:20pm

re: #191 Justanotherhuman

“Robinson says Reagan’s own diaries show the president found the idea of a militantly staffed border fence difficult to take. In a private meeting with then-President Jose Lopez Portillo of Mexico in 1979, Reagan wrote that he hoped to discuss how the United States and Mexico could make the border “something other than the location for a fence.”

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 included a number of specific measures for enhanced border security. Congress simply didn’t fund them and Reagan didn’t hold its feet to the fire to do so.

200 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 3:15:12pm

re: #198 ObserverArt

Didn’t I see a downding on this comment when I logged in?

What’s up with that?

Meteor. Do you want to explain that for the members?

Fitting name. Silent but deadly :)

201 Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2014 3:17:03pm

re: #199 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And that’s why the wingnuts hate that deal, even if they try to argue that Ronnie wasn’t responsible. They figure they got hoodwinked back then, that they were promised all the “illegals” would be kept out with a fence, but it never happened. And it’s why they refuse to consider any situation but “THROW’EM ALL OUT!”

202 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:17:22pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Isn’t it sad that a Republican with that position on immigrants would never make it out of the primaries these days? I am not a fan of Reagan at all but I concede that he at least had a humanity on this subject that so many of them lack.

You can’t live in CA and not have relationships of some sort with Latinos.

If you’re a thinking, feeling human being, that is.

I lived in SoCal for over 2 yrs (60-62) and it never occurred to me that they didn’t belong in the State, what with Mexico being right there on the border and all. It just seemed that Mexican people and culture were part of the deal.

203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2014 3:17:22pm

There’s probably a lot more immigrants than just the “Hispanics” looking forward to this.

204 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:18:57pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s probably a lot more immigrants than just the “Hispanics” looking forward to this.

Yeah. I mean it’s not like immigration has stopped from Europe. There’s going to be a lot of communities that will benefit from this.

205 gwangung  Nov 20, 2014 3:19:23pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s probably a lot more immigrants than just the “Hispanics” looking forward to this.

Not probably….definitlely a LOT of Asians (Chinese, Hong Kong, Filiipino, Cambodian, Hmong) and Middle Eastern folks concerned.

206 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:19:57pm

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

You can’t live in CA and not have relationships of some sort with Latinos.

If you’re a thinking, feeling human being, that is.

I lived in SoCal for over 2 yrs (60-62) and it never occurred to me that they didn’t belong in the State, what with Mexico being right there on the border and all. It just seemed that Mexican people and culture were part of the deal.

Of course, I realize that but the fact is Reagan sounds closer to Obama than any GOPer with any political power and I think that’s really telling considering A) Ronnie was saying this over 30 years ago and B) that Reagan wasn’t exactly a bleeding heart.

207 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:20:16pm

re: #198 ObserverArt

Didn’t I see a downding on this comment when I logged in?

What’s up with that?

Meteor. Do you want to explain that for the members?

Obviously sarc-ignorant.

208 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:21:11pm

re: #205 gwangung

Not probably….definitlely a LOT of Asians (Chinese, Hong Kong, Filiipino, Cambodian, Hmong) and Middle Eastern folks concerned.

Tons. I think the right has this image planted in their head of the illegal Mexican immigrant who doesn’t speak a lick of English. Hell as we know now, NRO’s favorite white nationalist John Derbyshire was an illegal immigrant but he’s different because he’s a white Englishman you see.

209 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 3:22:42pm

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

Go take a flying leap, Boehner.

Video: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, releases brief statement ahead of President Obama’s immigration announcement; ‘Instead of working together to fix our broken immigration system, the president says he’s acting on his own. That is just not how our democracy works’ - @SpeakerBoehner
see original on youtube.com

And another laughable bit:

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, releases 2015 Senate calendar; Senate to work Fridays, schedule to more closely mirror House - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

The only body of “workers” who get half the year off for monkey business.

I just fired off a rather heated, but still fairly civil comment to Tom Coburn. I suggest everyone here do it too if you feel inclined. I Google searched “contact Tom Coburn” and he has a form on his site. Easy to use.

I plan on sending similar (I kept a copy of the text) to McConnell and Boehner in the morning.

Please everyone, express yourselves, it is your right as an American. And remember no cussing or ugly references. You can get your message across better if that stuff isn’t in there. Sure you can be heated and extremely angry.

I admit, I did called him a boob…but that’s not too bad is it? Keeping in mind the crap they spew, I though it rather mild. And oh yeah, I questioned his soul.

: )

210 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 3:24:31pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

NRO’s favorite white nationalist John Derbyshire was an illegal immigrant but he’s different because he’s a white Englishman you see.

And as a white Englishman he’s a native American, you see. If you don’t believe me, you can look it up in any textbook*.

* Should be approved by the Texas SBOE.

211 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 3:24:40pm
212 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:25:08pm

re: #211 Kragar

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Alex Jones finally got a show on FNC?

213 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:27:03pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Of course, I realize that but the fact is Reagan sounds closer to Obama than any GOPer with any political power and I think that’s really telling considering A) Ronnie was saying this over 30 years ago and B) that Reagan wasn’t exactly a bleeding heart.

I started watching a movie on TCM last night and it wasn’t mentioned in the description that he was in it.

It was made in 1945 when he was fairly young and good-looking in a bland sort of way, and probably pretty liberal at the time. Don’t forget that he was President of the Screen Actors Guild (elected in 1947). He was a supporter of FDR, a union activist, and a liberal for 30 years of his life—before 20 Mule Team Borax and GE came into the picture.

214 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 3:27:17pm

re: #211 Kragar

…the fuck?

215 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 3:27:43pm

re: #214 Higgs Boson’s Mate

…the fuck?

Forget it Jake. It’s Fox news.

216 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:28:56pm

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

I started watching a movie on TCM last night and it wasn’t mentioned in the description that he was in it.

It was made in 1945 when he was fairly young and good-looking in a bland sort of way, and probably pretty liberal at the time. Don’t forget that he was President of the Screen Actors Guild (elected in 1947). He was a supporter of FDR, a union activist, and a liberal for 30 years of his life—before 20 Mule Team Borax and GE came into the picture.

I had read somewhere that he was turned down as a possible Congressional candidate because he was considered too liberal heh. I think he was a bit of an opportunist honestly. I think he took his disillusionment with liberalism and the New Deal to the extreme knowing that it would help him more electorally than if he had just become a moderate.

217 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 3:31:20pm

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

You can’t live in CA and not have relationships of some sort with Latinos.

If you’re a thinking, feeling human being, that is.

I lived in SoCal for over 2 yrs (60-62) and it never occurred to me that they didn’t belong in the State, what with Mexico being right there on the border and all. It just seemed that Mexican people and culture were part of the deal.

There were actually here first, just like the Native Americans, but they’re the invaders, not the Anglos, because Jesus, I guess.

218 teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2014 3:32:21pm
219 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 3:34:43pm
220 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:34:49pm

re: #218 teleskiguy

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I saw him on Comedy Central’s At Midnight. Good comic.

221 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 3:35:28pm

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

You can’t live in CA and not have relationships of some sort with Latinos.

If you’re a thinking, feeling human being, that is.

I lived in SoCal for over 2 yrs (60-62) and it never occurred to me that they didn’t belong in the State, what with Mexico being right there on the border and all. It just seemed that Mexican people and culture were part of the deal.

You can’t live in Columbus Ohio and not have a relationship with Latinos. And I am just fine with that.

I love their food trucks and specialty grocery shops. Mmmm. Like stated earlier by others…they are hard working, good natured and usually very religious and family oriented. And many are in professional fields around here too. Good people. Are some a problem? No more than any other racial group…maybe even less.

Later Lizards. Time to wrastle up some grub and get ready to watch the pres and maybe play guitar and drums a bit. Might check in to watch the comments though!

222 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 3:35:54pm

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

I started watching a movie on TCM last night and it wasn’t mentioned in the description that he was in it.

It was made in 1945 when he was fairly young and good-looking in a bland sort of way, and probably pretty liberal at the time. Don’t forget that he was President of the Screen Actors Guild (elected in 1947). He was a supporter of FDR, a union activist, and a liberal for 30 years of his life—before 20 Mule Team Borax and GE came into the picture.

He wasn’t very liberal as the president of the Screen Actors’ Guild. Here’s an excerpt from his testimony to the House Un-American Activities Committee, delivered in October of 1947:

Mr. STRIPLING: As a member of the board of directors, as president of the Screen Actors Guild, and as an active member, have you at any time observed or noted within the organization a clique of either Communists or Fascists who were attempting to exert influence or pressure on the guild?

Mr. REAGAN: Well, sir, my testimony must be very similar to that of Mr. (George) Murphy and Mr. (Robert) Montgomery. There has been a small group within the Screen Actors Guild which has consistently opposed the policy of the guild board and officers of the guild, as evidenced by the vote on various issues. That small clique referred to has been suspected of more or less following the tactics that we associate with the Communist Party.

Mr. STRIPLING: Would you refer to them as a disruptive influence within the guild?

Mr. REAGAN: I would say that at times they have attempted to be a disruptive influence.

LINK

223 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:35:59pm

re: #219 Kragar

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What a hack Fournier is. Must stink being having his head so far up the right’s fat asshole.

224 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:36:46pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

You can’t live in Columbus Ohio and not have a relationship with Latinos. And I am just fine with that.

I love their food trucks and specialty grocery shops. Mmmm. Like stated earlier by others…they are hard working, good natured and usually very religious and family oriented. And many are in professional fields around here too. Good people. Are some a problem? No more than any other racial group…maybe even less.

Later Lizards. Time to wrastle up some grub and get ready to watch the pres and maybe play guitar and drums a bit. Might check in to watch the comments though!

You should try Peruvian food one of these days. I’ve come to really enjoy it. I always get a sandwich I’ve never had when I visit my brother’s in laws. But yeah I love the Latin community. Very nice people in my experiences and hard-working as anyone.

225 teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2014 3:37:45pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I saw him on Comedy Central’s At Midnight. Good comic.

Youtube Video

226 EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2014 3:37:58pm

OT, but funny. While checking out the view from the hard right at RedState, I saw a hilarious user name:

‘teapartyscientist’

Normally it take more than one word or phrase to get to this kind of mental freeze.

227 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 3:39:07pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s probably a lot more immigrants than just the “Hispanics” looking forward to this.

I think the quoted comment is for Latinos because they are most likely the largest group and the ones being blasted by the conservative/GOP dog whistles.

I saw a British person that was hoping to qualify on the news this morning.

228 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:39:24pm

re: #226 EPR-radar

OT, but funny. While checking out the view from the hard right at RedState, I saw a hilarious user name:

‘teapartyscientist’

Normally it take more than one word or phrase to get to this kind of mental freeze.

Considering that there are whacked out doctors in the TP, I’m not surprised there’s one scientist that whacked out. Apologies to our scientists out there but no profession is free of idiots. Got a lot of idiots in my field too- history so I know, he is without sin.

229 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:40:12pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I had read somewhere that he was turned down as a possible Congressional candidate because he was considered too liberal heh. I think he was a bit of an opportunist honestly. I think he took his disillusionment with liberalism and the New Deal to the extreme knowing that it would help him more electorally than if he had just become a moderate.

Well, certainly during the 1960s he went through a kind of metamorphosis. and Nancy Reagan no doubt had no small influence on him, especially regarding birth control and abortion (and astrology!). His movie career was on the skids, and he delved into TV as a “host” for Death Valley Days (1964) and after being fired by GE (and made wealthy) as host of GE Theater from 1964 to 1962. He also had dabbled in radio when his acting career bottomed out. Nancy herself had never had much of a movie career and was limited in her ability to make much.

There’s just something about having a lot of money that changes some people’s priorities.

230 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:42:16pm

re: #217 Skip Intro

There were actually here first, just like the Native Americans, but they’re the invaders, not the Anglos, because Jesus, I guess.

Well, of course, they were. I was speaking of modern times and you know how that goes. We took over a lot of territory we actually had no right to take over.

As I mentioned before, I come from a long line of invaders. : )

231 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:43:39pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

Well, certainly during the 1960s he went through a kind of metamorphosis. and Nancy Reagan no doubt had no small influence on him, especially regarding birth control and abortion (and astrology!). His movie career was on the skids, and he delved into TV as a “host” for Death Valley Days (1964) and after being fired by GE (and made wealthy) as host of GE Theater from 1964 to 1962. He also had dabbled in radio when his acting career bottomed out. Nancy herself had never had much of a movie career and was limited in her ability to make much.

There’s just something about having a lot of money that changes some people’s priorities.

I’ve read that he was a supporter of Ike in the 50’s. So I think he was moving right even before GE. As I said, I think he definitely was something of an opportunist. Reason why I think this is because he one time pretty much called the basis for the New Deal Fascism yet he was fond of evoking FDR when need be. He loved throwing red meat to conservative crowds.

232 Lancelot Link  Nov 20, 2014 3:45:36pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

Well, certainly during the 1960s he went through a kind of metamorphosis. and Nancy Reagan no doubt had no small influence on him, especially regarding birth control and abortion (and astrology!).

Nancy changed the way he pronounced his own surname.

233 EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2014 3:45:47pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Considering that there are whacked out doctors in the TP, I’m not surprised there’s one scientist that whacked out. Apologies to our scientists out there but no profession is free of idiots. Got a lot of idiots in my field too- history so I know, he is without sin.

I agree there there must be at least one ‘scientist’ that is a tea partier. It’s a big country full of idiots in all professions. That doesn’t remove the essential self-contradiction.

After all, this is pretty much equivalent to ‘scientific know-nothing’ or ‘4-sided triangle’.

234 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 3:46:34pm

re: #230 Justanotherhuman

Well, of course, they were. I was speaking of modern times and you know how that goes. We took over a lot of territory we actually had no right to take over.

As I mentioned before, I come from a long line of invaders. : )

I know you know, but from reading the endless rants from the GOP it appears that they don’t.

235 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:47:05pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

I agree there there must be at least one ‘scientist’ that is a tea partier. It’s a big country full of idiots in all professions. That doesn’t remove the essential self-contradiction.

After all, this is pretty much equivalent to ‘scientific know-nothing’ or ‘4-sided triangle’.

I know, I was just teasing.

236 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 3:48:29pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

I agree there there must be at least one ‘scientist’ that is a tea partier. It’s a big country full of idiots in all professions. That doesn’t remove the essential self-contradiction.

After all, this is pretty much equivalent to ‘scientific know-nothing’ or ‘4-sided triangle’.

There are a bunch of YEC PhDs with real degrees, and even one geocentrist PhD astronomer.

237 teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2014 3:48:31pm

#tcot are having a convulsing ragegasm with this tweet.

Ethnic cleansing?

238 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 3:48:39pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

I agree there there must be at least one ‘scientist’ that is a tea partier. It’s a big country full of idiots in all professions. That doesn’t remove the essential self-contradiction.

After all, this is pretty much equivalent to ‘scientific know-nothing’ or ‘4-sided triangle’.

Radio crackpot Michael Savage has a Phd in some weird field and considers himself a scientist, but I’m not sure the TP is right wing enough for him.

239 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:49:20pm

re: #222 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He wasn’t very liberal as the president of the Screen Actors’ Guild. Here’s an excerpt from his testimony to the House Un-American Activities Committee, delivered in October of 1947:

LINK

I don’t think “liberal” in the ’40s is the quite the same as “liberal” in the 21st century.

He was a “liberal” Democrat—not a radical, which is how I’d term some who call themselves “liberal” these days.

But it’s a bit dangerous to pin a definitive label on any of one’s contemporaries, as I’ve found out over the years.

240 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:49:56pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

#tcot are having a convulsing ragegasm with this tweet.

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Ethnic cleansing?

Of course, conservatives hate it when you call them out on what they actually do and say. How dare you point out our hysteria.

241 Jenner7  Nov 20, 2014 3:50:41pm
242 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 3:51:47pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

#tcot are having a convulsing ragegasm with this tweet.

[Embedded content]

Ethnic cleansing?

Yes, really.

Kobach: Obama’s Lawlessness Could Lead To ‘Ethnic Cleansing’ In America

243 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:52:28pm

re: #242 Kragar

Yes, really.

Kobach: Obama’s Lawlessness Could Lead To ‘Ethnic Cleansing’ In America

It says a lot about Mitt that he chose this guy as his immigration adviser doesn’t it? But don’t call Mitt a bigot, it’s mean and he doesn’t like it.

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 20, 2014 3:53:57pm

re: #200 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Fitting name. Silent but deadly :)

Youtube Video

But it can’t think, can’t change it’s course, wants to wipe out the Eastern Seaboard, and has Orson Welles providing narration!
///

245 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 3:54:05pm

re: #241 Jenner7

It’s pretty clear that the “secret” grand jury decision has been leaked to every cop and politician in Missouri, and they’re just waiting until they have an undeclared martial law in full effect before announcing the results to the little people.

246 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 3:55:51pm

Whoa! You go—Big—Mr. President.

More: President Obama to say his executive actions on immigration ‘are not only lawful, they’re the kinds of actions taken by every single Republican President and every Democratic President for the past half century. And to those Members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill’ - White House
end of alert

247 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 3:55:55pm

re: #244 Feline Fearless Leader

I was thinking of something more prosaic :)

248 teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2014 3:56:30pm

re: #242 Kragar

Yes, really.

Kobach: Obama’s Lawlessness Could Lead To ‘Ethnic Cleansing’ In America

I knew the GOP were talking about government shutdowns, riots and lawsuits. And it’s true with the ethnic cleansing as well.

So many millions in the United States have snakes for brains.

249 Romantic Heretic  Nov 20, 2014 3:58:22pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Speaking of nutjobs, former Ron Paul adviser Eric Dondero is totally losing his shit on Twitter.

[Embedded content]

I think this man is going to be on the news tomorrow morning. Another ‘lone wolf.’

250 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:58:22pm

re: #248 teleskiguy

I knew the GOP were talking about government shutdowns, riots and lawsuits. And it’s true with the ethnic cleansing as well.

So many millions in the United States have snakes for brains.

It’s that people like Kobach get elected to office that has me so jaded on any future of the Republicans being a normal center right party. Hell the Dems are a better center right party than the GOP at this point.

251 teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2014 3:59:03pm

Watch this tyrant rip the Constitution to shreds and by decree allow diseased brown poors to overrun and destroy our country.

Youtube Video

252 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 3:59:27pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

Watch this tyrant rip the Constitution to shreds and by decree allow diseased brown poors to overrun and destroy our country.

[Embedded content]

Video

But that’s different.//

253 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 4:01:56pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

#tcot are having a convulsing ragegasm with this tweet.

[Embedded content]

Ethnic cleansing?

I asked myself the same thing looking at that

254 teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2014 4:02:58pm

re: #253 Eclectic Cyborg

I asked myself the same thing looking at that

As Kragar pointed out, there is an elected Republican suggesting this.

255 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 4:03:12pm

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think “liberal” in the ’40s is the quite the same as “liberal” in the 21st century.

He was a “liberal” Democrat—not a radical, which is how I’d term some who call themselves “liberal” these days.

But it’s a bit dangerous to pin a definitive label on any of one’s contemporaries, as I’ve found out over the years.

Reagan, as president of SAG, had recently been involved in the quashing of a crafts union, the Conference of Studio Unions. There were many SAG members unhappy with that because Reagan had aligned SAG with the studio heads, and other less than savory groups to do so. Reagan’s dusting those opponents with the Communist brush in his HUAC testimony was enough in those days of the Red Scare and the Hollywood Blacklist to shut them up.

256 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:06:38pm

re: #254 teleskiguy

As Kragar pointed out, there is an elected Republican suggesting this.

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yep and one that honestly could well have had a very important cabinet or appointed post had Mitt Romney. Really, there’s always been this element of extremist thinking in the GOP. That’s not new. What is fairly new is the mainstreaming of it.

257 Romantic Heretic  Nov 20, 2014 4:07:21pm

re: #122 hydrolik

Looks like the GOP has headed back to the golf course while Obama plans to get shit done again. RED TIDE!
Breitbart: Republicans Leave Town Without A Plan To Fight Obama

Of course they are. If they stayed in town things might get done by them, even if by accident. Then they might be blamed for it.

Can’t have that.

258 sagehen  Nov 20, 2014 4:58:45pm

re: #245 Skip Intro

It’s pretty clear that the “secret” grand jury decision has been leaked to every cop and politician in Missouri, and they’re just waiting until they have an undeclared martial law in full effect before announcing the results to the little people.

Funny how the “liberty” “tyranny” “government overreach” folk are not the least bit bothered by pre-emptive martial law when it’s happening to people they don’t like anyway…

Principles.

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