About President Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

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Sahil Kapur has a good backgrounder on what to expect from Obama’s announcement of an executive action guaranteed to send the entire right wing into a frenzy: All You Need to Know About Obama’s Executive Action to Legalize 5 Million.

The cornerstone of Obama’s executive action is a new “deferred action” program to authorize undocumented parents of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents temporarily live and work in the country, as long as they’ve resided here for at least 5 years and can show that their child was born before the date of Obama’s announcement. This huge action covers more than 4 million people. Separately, Obama will expand his 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which currently covers people born after 1981 who came to the country before June 15, 2007 — the expanded program will scrap the age cap and move the cutoff date to January 1, 2010. It’s expected to cover some 270,000 new so-called DREAMers.

Despite intense lobbying by immigrant-rights groups, the action will not cover parents of DREAMers, or DACA beneficiaries. A senior administration official said that after an exhaustive review of the White House’s legal options, “we made a determination that the law essentially did not support that. … By executive action he can only do so much.”

This action is temporary, and can be reversed by the next president. “It is not a pathway to citizenship,” a senior administration official stressed, saying that the administration will begin accepting applications in the spring (potentially sooner for the expanded DACA program). Each applicant will be required to pass a background check to receive what will be a three-year work authorization under both programs. They’ll also have to pay taxes and stay on the right side of the law. Their reprieves and work permits are granted on the basis of the longstanding exercise of prosecutorial discretion, and can be revoked at any time at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security.

And of course:

Republicans are gearing up to mount a massive backlash that could include a government shutdown standoff or a lawsuit. The conservative base is apoplectic about Obama’s actions, and rank-and-file GOP lawmakers are floating everything from impeachment to jailing the president.

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81 comments

1 EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2014 4:02:09pm

One thoughtful commenter at RedState is of the view that this is Obama’s Reichstag Fire moment.

What a liberal. Obama’s real Reichstag Fire moment was Jan 20, 2009. ///

2 Kragar  Nov 20, 2014 4:02:58pm
3 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 4:03:38pm

I really hope this doesn’t spark a wave of violence against latinos…

4 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:04:11pm

Well, all of it sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Which is why Rs hate it with a passion.

5 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:04:30pm

re: #1 EPR-radar

One thoughtful commenter at RedState is of the view that this is Obama’s Reichstag Fire moment.

What a liberal. Obama’s real Reichstag Fire moment was Jan 20, 2009. ///

His Reichstag fire moment is making it easier to naturalize for millions of people. Reichstag fire moment, you use that phrase wingnuts, I do not think you know what it means. What a bunch of hysterical little children the GOP and right are. Obama wouldn’t have to be using executive action on this if Boehner wasn’t so beholden to the extremists that threaten him by the balls everytime he even gives the appearance of working with President Obama on anything. Go ahead and try to jail or impeach him for this GOP and I guarantee that the joy you felt two Tuesdays ago will be replaced with being reminded why the American voters gave this president two terms.

6 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:05:18pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hope this doesn’t spark a wave of violence against latinos…

I’m afraid of that too. Any Latino or Spanish speaker will be seen by many of them as an “illegal.”

7 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 4:06:29pm

President Obama: Causing wingnut exploding head syndrome since January 20, 2009.

8 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 4:06:37pm

It will be interesting to hear what, if anything, Hillary Clinton has to say about this.

9 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 4:06:41pm

Obama sees immigrants first of all as human beings.
The wingnuts don’t. That’s basically the crux of the issue.

10 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:07:18pm

re: #9 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Obama sees immigrants first of all as human beings.
The wingnuts don’t. That’s basically the crux of the issue.

Pretty much.

11 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:07:32pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I’m afraid of that too. Any Latino or Spanish speaker will be seen by many of them as an “illegal.”

If it happens around me, the mierda will hit the fan.

12 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:08:35pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hope this doesn’t spark a wave of violence against latinos…

There are too many of them, and they don’t take insults lightly, let alone physical violence. I’m not saying some lunatic won’t go nuts, because this is a country full of lunatics, but I don’t think it will be organized.

The arm chair terrorists on all of the RWNJ sites will just continue to froth at the mouth and make vague threats, and their reprehensibles in Congress will continue to demean them, but what else is new?

13 Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2014 4:09:26pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

Well, all of it sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Which is why Rs hate it with a passion.

This is totally unconstitutional! Any Republican who doesn’t support impeachment over this is complicit!!!

14 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 4:11:28pm
“The conservative base is apoplectic about Obama’s actions, and rank-and-file GOP lawmakers are floating everything from impeachment to jailing the president.”

They’ve been apoplectic about his very existence the day he was sworn in!

15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 4:11:42pm

TMZ:

Bill Cosby is still welcome at all Temple University sporting events … with a rep for Bill’s Alma Mater telling TMZ Sports … the school still supports the TV legend despite the rape allegations.

Read more: tmz.com

16 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:12:37pm

re: #14 Kid A

They’ve been apoplectic about his very existence the day he was sworn in!

I would go a step further than that. They’ve been apoplectic since the day he beat McCain. Their idea of America died that day and they’ve been pathetic obstructionists ever since who treat POTUS like some foreign occupier instead of our democratically elected president.

17 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:12:50pm

I’m so fucking old that I remember the last time a president wanted to do this (that would be GW Bush), all the GOP media hacks were in full support of it.

Find old columns by Linda Chavez, Tony Snow, and others on the subject and see what I mean.

I’ve even found a Free Republic thread on the subject for you.

freerepublic.com

And here’s a Snow column on the subject.

Immigration is not the pox neo-Know Nothings make it out to be>

18 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:13:35pm

Department of Justice: President Obama’s executive actions on immigration do not provide a path to obtaining permanent residence or US citizenship - @jamiedupree
see original on twitter.com

19 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 4:14:19pm

re: #14 Kid A

They’ve been apoplectic about his very existence the day he was sworn in!

Either they produce some ruptured brain aneurysms or they’re not really that upset.

20 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:14:23pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

I’m so fucking old that I remember the last time a president wanted to do this (that would be GW Bush), all the GOP media hacks were in full support of it.

Find old columns by Linda Chavez, Tony Snow, and others on the subject and see what I mean.

I’ve even found a Free Republic thread on the subject for you.

freerepublic.com

The nutters hated it but the establishment was fine with it. This is health care reform all over again where the GOP leadership was for it before they were against it.

21 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 4:15:02pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Yes, let’s not forget Sir Rush of Limbaugh who blamed the 2008 financial meltdown and mass unemployment on Obama before he assumed office. Why? Because everyone knew what was coming.

22 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:15:20pm

re: #18 Justanotherhuman

Department of Justice: President Obama’s executive actions on immigration do not provide a path to obtaining permanent residence or US citizenship - @jamiedupree
see original on twitter.com

That’s disappointing but at the same time, I don’t know or think he has the power to do that with exec power. That’s something that Congress should be doing but because the House is led by the ballless wonder Boehner, it won’t happen.

23 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:16:12pm

re: #21 Kid A

Yes, let’s not forget Sir Rush of Limbaugh who blamed the 2008 financial meltdown and mass unemployment on Obama before he assumed office. Why? Because everyone knew what was coming.

Right. They’ve hated Obama from the start. In a way, I am glad that he’s been able to show the world what a bunch of bigots the GOP really is.

24 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:17:09pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

The nutters hated it but the establishment was fine with it. This is health care reform all over again where the GOP leadership was for it before they were against it.

There was also no Tea Party at the time. Didn’t the astro-turfing start in 2007?

25 dog philosopher  Nov 20, 2014 4:17:18pm

Republicans are gearing up to mount a massive backlash that could include a

gigantic pissy fit as per usual

26 thecommodore  Nov 20, 2014 4:17:55pm

I expect Ted Cruz and his merry band of wingnuts to make a huge grandstand out if this, but the GOP establishment - RINOZ!!!! 1! 11!! 11! 1! 1 - will put a cork in that real quick.

27 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 4:18:16pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

From the comments:

Yeah, we need a Ronald Reagan-style immigration law, not this “amnesty” crap!
The day a Republican President signs an Amnesty bill into law, goodbye Republican party!

28 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:18:23pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

There was also no Tea Party at the time. Didn’t the astro-turfing start in 2007?

I think the TP started out yeah around that era as a Ron Paul thing. The establishment was down with immigration reform. Hell Bush was working with Ted Kennedy on the issue. It was really seeing the rank and file’s reaction to Bush on immigration reform that I realized how nutty the GOP base actually was.

29 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:18:26pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

That’s disappointing but at the same time, I don’t know or think he has the power to do that with exec power. That’s something that Congress should be doing but because the House is led by the ballless wonder Boehner, it won’t happen.

Yes, I think you’re right. You can bet that this EO has been thoroughly studied and vetted, over and over.

30 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 20, 2014 4:18:33pm

re: #9 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Obama sees immigrants first of all as human beings.
The wingnuts don’t. That’s basically the crux of the issue.

Even more cruxy is that the President is black. The right didn’t go this apeshit when Reagan and Bush did the same thing for (IIRC) more immigrants.

31 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 4:19:05pm

re: #26 thecommodore

I expect Ted Cruz and his merry band of wingnuts to make a huge grandstand out if this, but the GOP establishment - RINOZ!!!! 1! 11!! 11! 1! 1 - will put a cork in that real quick.

He’s already started calling it a “constitutional crisis.” Does he know his base or does he know his base?

32 EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2014 4:19:11pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Right. They’ve hated Obama from the start. In a way, I am glad that he’s been able to show the world what a bunch of bigots the GOP really is.

Although the GOP really has exposed itself as a party of malicious stupid bigots manipulated by sociopaths of various kinds since 2008, it is disturbing that so few seem to notice (e.g., 2014 midterms).

33 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:19:27pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Yes, I think you’re right. You can bet that this EO has been thoroughly studied and vetted, over and over.

If there’s one thing, this president is, it’s cautious. Now part of me wishes he could be more ambitious but I think this executive order is POTUS telling Congress to do your fucking jobs on this issue.

34 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 20, 2014 4:20:09pm

re: #30 GlutenFreeJesus

Even more cruxy is that the President is black. The right didn’t go this apeshit when Reagan and Bush did the same thing for (IIRC) more immigrants.

They would have been apoplectic at any Dem doing it, but of course him being a black Kenyan Muslim communist adds to their rage.

35 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:20:38pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

Although the GOP really has exposed itself as a party of malicious stupid bigots manipulated by sociopaths of various kinds since 2008, it is disturbing that so few seem to notice (e.g., 2014 midterms).

The Limbaughization of the GOP started in the mid 1990s and came to fruition in 2014.

36 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:20:53pm

re: #30 GlutenFreeJesus

Even more cruxy is that the President is black. The right didn’t go this apeshit when Reagan and Bush did the same thing for (IIRC) more immigrants.

It probably works out that way in the percentages. Pres Obama’s EO affects about 3.5M, I think it’s been said.

The 1986 bill affected 2.9M.

37 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:20:57pm

re: #30 GlutenFreeJesus

Even more cruxy is that the President is black. The right didn’t go this apeshit when Reagan and Bush did the same thing for (IIRC) more immigrants.

Let’s put Obama in Reagan’s place for many of Reagan’s moment. If Obama had done many of the things Reagan did i.e. Iran-Contra and dialogue with Gorbachev, they would be demanding impeachment but Ronnie gets a free pass because Ronnie was one of theirs.

38 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:22:01pm

re: #35 Skip Intro

The Limbaughization of the GOP started in the mid 1990s and came to fruition in 2014.

Yeah i remember the crazy anti-Clinton conspiracies I heard kids echoing their parents as a kid. About how Clinton was a rapist(though I guess that’s in a way to show you they’ve devolved because some of them don’t think rape is so bad anymore).

39 team_fukit  Nov 20, 2014 4:23:54pm

re: #15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I’m part of the Temple U community and there has just been silence about this issue entirely, even among the students. I’m appalled

40 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:24:31pm

Now I have seen some long term ramifications of their evolution to Know-Nothingism in Florida. Obama beat Romney among Cuban-Americans there and despite it being a very Republican year, so did Crist over Scott. If I’m DSCC , I’d look for a bright young energetic Hispanic to go up against Rubio.

41 Sionainn  Nov 20, 2014 4:25:21pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Right. They’ve hated Obama from the start. In a way, I am glad that he’s been able to show the world what a bunch of bigots the GOP really is.

My sister is finally, FINALLY, coming around the fact that the GOP is not the party for her. I think it took her conversion to Islam and her daughter being gay that made her realize that they had no use for her.

42 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 4:26:05pm

Featured story at Gateway Douche: “Coincidence? Obama to Announce Executive Amnesty on National Revolution Day in Mexico.”

43 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:26:13pm

re: #41 Sionainn

My sister is finally, FINALLY, coming around the fact that the GOP is not the party for her. I think it took her conversation to Islam and her daughter being gay that made her realize that they had no use for her.

Sucks it took that long but I am glad she came around.

44 EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2014 4:26:36pm

re: #41 Sionainn

My sister is finally, FINALLY, coming around the fact that the GOP is not the party for her. I think it took her conversation to Islam and her daughter being gay that made her realize that they had no use for her.

That’s a hell of a 1-2 punch.

45 HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2014 4:27:28pm

re: #42 Kid A

Featured story at Gateway Douche: “Coincidence? Obama to Announce Executive Amnesty on National Revolution Day in Mexico.”

See above statement about right wing idiots thinking every illegal immigrant is Mexican. Perhaps Dim should talk to John Derbyshire, he was an illegal immigrant too. Man you can say a lot about Dim but the bigot knows his audience.

46 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:27:34pm

In more Crazy-White-People news…

Australia’s Barwon Prison in lockdown with reports a 44-year-old man carrying Irish Republican Army flag strapped explosives to his body - @9NewsMelb
see original on twitter.com

47 TedStriker  Nov 20, 2014 4:28:10pm

re: #30 GlutenFreeJesus

Even more cruxy is that the President is black. The right didn’t go this apeshit when Reagan and Bush did the same thing for (IIRC) more immigrants.

Exactly.

It’s because those two presidents were the correct color and of the correct political persuasion, granting them the proper moral authority to give special dispensation to those poor benighted brown souls.

///

48 urbanmeemaw  Nov 20, 2014 4:28:13pm

Interesting that the 3 major so called “broadcast” networks are not airing the speech. But then that happened many times when white Rethuglicans were President, right? Bueller? Anyone?

49 Sionainn  Nov 20, 2014 4:30:59pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Sucks it took that long but I am glad she came around.

I’m actually having fun with her on FB, tag-teaming one of her “friends” who made some disparaging remarks about Islam after my sister posted a meme that was pissed off because a Muslim was in the House and people had their heads bowed. Oh, the frickin’ horror! First time my sister and I have really seen eye to eye.

50 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:31:43pm

re: #48 urbanmeemaw

Interesting that the 3 major so called “broadcast” networks are not airing the speech. But then that happened many times when white Rethuglicans were President, right? Bueller? Anyone?

It will be on MSNBC.

And probably here, too.

51 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:32:29pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Department of Justice: President Obama’s executive actions on immigration do not provide a path to obtaining permanent residence or US citizenship - @jamiedupree
see original on twitter.com

That doesn’t matter, because by tomorrow morning every right wing media outlet will be screaming that that is exactly what it does. Off With His Head!!!

52 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:34:04pm

re: #42 Kid A

Coincidence? Obama to announce full amnesty on day Buffalo New York is completely snowed under.

53 Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2014 4:34:10pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

Department of Justice: President Obama’s executive actions on immigration do not provide a path to obtaining permanent residence or US citizenship - @jamiedupree
see original on twitter.com

That doesn’t matter, because by tomorrow morning every right wing media outlet will be screaming that that is exactly what it does. Off With His Head!!!

Ayep, it doesn’t matter what the EO actually does, what will matter is how the GOP and their friends in the “liberal media” can spin it.

54 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 4:36:28pm

re: #39 team_fukit

I’m part of the Temple U community and there has just been silence about this issue entirely, even among the students. I’m appalled

Well to be fair, most students in University today weren’t even BORN when the Cosby Show was at its peak. Since then, Bill hasn’t done a heck of a lot. So may have a vague idea of who he is, others might not have a clue.

55 Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2014 4:40:14pm
56 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 4:40:20pm
57 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2014 4:40:44pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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Dude…just…what the hell?

58 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 4:41:02pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Ayep, it doesn’t matter what the EO actually does, what will matter is how the GOP and their friends in the “liberal media” can spin it.

QFT.

Doesn’t matter that the scale of this EO is in line with past immigration EOs by Reagan or GHWB or GWB. They’re going to claim the EO itself is unconstitutional overreach, which doesn’t even pass the smell test.

These aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed, but they’re using the blunt instrument of sheer vitriol to force their way on to the nation.

59 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:41:02pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Does UpChuck ever get out of the gutter?

60 lawhawk  Nov 20, 2014 4:41:54pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

Nope. It’s where he spends his time, when he’s not in his mom’s basement.

61 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 4:41:58pm

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

Dude…just…what the hell?

Pay attention to meeeeeeee!

62 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:42:03pm

re: #58 lawhawk

QFT.

Doesn’t matter that the scale of this EO is in line with past immigration EOs by Reagan or GHWB or GWB. They’re going to claim the EO itself is unconstitutional overreach, which doesn’t even pass the smell test.

These aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed, but they’re using the blunt instrument of sheer vitriol to force their way on to the nation.

And they have a willing “liberal” media to help them do it.

63 Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2014 4:43:37pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Nope. It’s where he spends his time, when he’s not in his mom’s basement.

UpChuck is the model Republican. Hate, more hate, fear, and smears. It’s the Republican brand.

64 TedStriker  Nov 20, 2014 4:43:51pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Nope. It’s where he spends his time, when he’s not in his mom’s parents-in-law’s basement.

FTFY…

65 Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2014 4:47:06pm

re: #62 Skip Intro

And they have a willing “liberal” media to help them do it.

Ayep, come the Sunday Funnies, it’ll be wall to wall “How badly has the President broken the law and is this impeachable?!”

66 Weet  Nov 20, 2014 4:50:03pm

So I just got home, and realized Obama is going to give his immigration speech, thought I might be late, and so I turned on MSNBC. I caught the end of some guy named Danny Vargas saying, “Well, we believe it’s unconstitutional, and Obama didn’t even give the new Congress a chance to work with him…” and onward about how they were planning to compromise, etc.

Is there any TV for progressives? Nobody immediately called Danny a liar, told him the Rethugs have been intransigent for many years, that there’s nothing unconstitutional, etc. Are there any tv hosts that have any moxy to call these lying Rethugs out, directly and to their face? I don’t care if they discussed this before I turned the tv on. You have to call them out every single time they use their Frank-Luntz-approved Rethug lies — every time, forcefully, right to their face.

This made me so angry that I turned it off immediately.

I’ll be watching online.

The corporate-owned news media along with Rethug lies are on the verge of ruining this country. Voter exit polls show people voted to raise minimum wage, and then voted for the Senator who is against raising minimum wage. We must have people willing to speak up every time these despots sell their claptrap on tv.

Oh, and I know the networks aren’t carrying the President’s speech, and reportedly they think it’s too ‘political’. This is a perfect example of just how perverse they are.

67 #FergusonFireside  Nov 20, 2014 4:50:33pm

I’m watching CNN right now. (yeah yeah) They had a segment, not sure who the reporter was, but it talked about the 4 governors threatening to sue the President over the exec order. He said that this order tells them to do nothing, therefore they have no standing. Perry & Walker & I forget the other two derps.

There’s also a crowd in front of the White house all happy as hell.

68 Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2014 4:54:10pm
69 #FergusonFireside  Nov 20, 2014 4:55:34pm

Because its self funded, idjits.

70 Jenner7  Nov 20, 2014 4:55:56pm

re: #66 Weet

I’m watching now and one person ( said it’s not enough and this will all be confusing.

Well, this wouldn’t be an issue if Congress would do their jobs. And if you would’ve stopped screaming at this President to do something sooner rather than get the fucking vote out, maybe we’d have better chances next year to actually get something done.

71 #FergusonFireside  Nov 20, 2014 4:57:04pm
72 Justanotherhuman  Nov 20, 2014 4:57:20pm

Do you continue to stay with someone if you think they raped you?

“Serignese says after the alleged rape, she willingly stayed with Cosby in Las Vegas for some time, but could not specify how long or whether the two had sex again during their time together. The two also maintained sporadic contact for years after the alleged rape.

And if you can’t remember if you actually had sex with him again, but thought you were pregnant, how could you remember that detail? Wouldn’t that mean you did have sex?

“Serignese said she returned to the hotel sometime after the rape and stayed with Cosby for numerous nights, though she said she couldn’t remember precisely when or for how long. She said she also cannot remember if they had sex again, but recalled other details, including an expansive penthouse suite with a sunken living room, pinball machine and Miles Davis records littered on the floor. She said she eventually thought she might be pregnant and Cosby told her to leave.”

Why do you wait 26 yrs to file a report? Why do you take unknown pills from someone you don’t really know? I just don’t know what to think about this, since she tried to continue having a relationship with him over the years, even asking for money over 10 years later, which he gave her when she was injured. I would never, ever have a relationship with the man who held a knife to my throat, nor look him up for any reason whatsoever.

bigstory.ap.org

I don’t doubt that Cosby messed around with other women and he’s probably a hypocrite, to boot. But all of a sudden, after so many years, why are these women popping up? The statute of limitations has run out on these incidents being reported, and everyone but everyone is taking them at face value, even though there has never been a trial on any of them.

If Bill Cosby can’t explain himself and his side of what these women are describing, he should just retire.

Let the trial by public opinion progress, I suppose.

73 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 4:58:07pm
74 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 4:59:26pm

re: #50 Justanotherhuman

It will be on MSNBC.

And probably here, too.

Yes, the MSNBC coverage started already and thank God…no Chris Tweety Matthews.

He wasn’t on his own time slot tonight. I wonder if they cut him back since he lost his shit during the elections and ended up looking like a total ass?

75 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 5:00:22pm
76 Jenner7  Nov 20, 2014 5:00:27pm

OT:

Also, this:

77 Kid A  Nov 20, 2014 5:02:19pm

Nice tie.

78 calochortus  Nov 20, 2014 5:04:26pm

Interesting. The network may not be carrying Obama’s speech, but our local NBC affiliate is. Of course this is the SF Bay Area, and it isn’t prime time yet here.

79 ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2014 5:04:43pm

re: #66 Weet

So I just got home, and realized Obama is going to give his immigration speech, thought I might be late, and so I turned on MSNBC. I caught the end of some guy named Danny Vargas saying, “Well, we believe it’s unconstitutional, and Obama didn’t even give the new Congress a chance to work with him…” and onward about how they were planning to compromise, etc.

Is there any TV for progressives? Nobody immediately called Danny a liar, told him the Rethugs have been intransigent for many years, that there’s nothing unconstitutional, etc. Are there any tv hosts that have any moxy to call these lying Rethugs out, directly and to their face? I don’t care if they discussed this before I turned the tv on. You have to call them out every single time they use their Frank-Luntz-approved Rethug lies — every time, forcefully, right to their face.

This made me so angry that I turned it off immediately.

I’ll be watching online.

The corporate-owned news media along with Rethug lies are on the verge of ruining this country. Voter exit polls show people voted to raise minimum wage, and then voted for the Senator who is against raising minimum wage. We must have people willing to speak up every time these despots sell their claptrap on tv.

Oh, and I know the networks aren’t carrying the President’s speech, and reportedly they think it’s too ‘political’. This is a perfect example of just how perverse they are.

I think this is what they pass off as so called balanced reporting. I’ve noticed they do not attack the messenger, but wait until they are off to attack their message.

I’d like them to be more in their faces too, but our media is to scared to piss off one viewer that might have a Nielsen box.

It is what it is. I’m tuned in to see it on broadcast. Shrug.

80 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 20, 2014 5:04:43pm

“Those are facts…”

He just lost the RWNJs.

81 Swift2991  Nov 20, 2014 6:21:32pm

Does nobody remember what it was like before? We had some illegal workers, mostly for the big ranchers. Our clothing industry was American and unionized. Now it’s sweatshops, mostly out of the country, but a few survive in Southern Cal. We had industry with good wages for industrial workers. People had pensions from their employers that were pretty good.

The right always plays it as an “invasion of illegals,” but it was actually bonehead Reaganomics that opened the gates to hell. What the president is doing is good, but it’s not going to change much.

What we need is some level of protection, for Mexico most of all. If we had tried to develop by having the British finance our factories for export to the Home County, and employment was so bad and ill-paying that we had to cross over the border to get a decent job, we’d be in Mexico’s place: selling drugs to rich people in surrounding countries, swimming the river to find some work. The worst thing about conservatism is the voodoo economics.


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