House Intel Panel Benghazi Report: No There There

Last call for the Benghazi Disco
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In today’s episode of the Great Republican Benghazi Boogaloo, the House Intelligence Committee told the right wing noise machine to stop. Just stop it already. House Intel Panel Debunks Many Benghazi Theories.

Not that they will.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people.

The House Intelligence Committee report was released with little fanfare on the Friday before Thanksgiving week. Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select Committee appointed in May.

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355 comments

1 Kragar  Nov 21, 2014 6:37:38pm
2 Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2014 6:42:27pm

Not to worry, Gowdy’s still got his “Select Committee” running, even though it’s on vacation along with the rest of the party. I imagine he’ll back in January to get the crazy train rolling.

I’m not sure if it’s a sign that the GOP has realized how much of a loser this issue is for them that they had Gowdy’s first committee hearing be pretty low-key and months ahead of the election while this report surfaced in a Friday News Dump almost a month after the elections.

3 Lidane  Nov 21, 2014 6:43:18pm
4 bill d  Nov 21, 2014 6:43:44pm

THE LIST OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE BENGHAZI! COVER UP IS JUST GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER!

5 lawhawk  Nov 21, 2014 6:46:18pm

This was the Friday to hold a news dump if there ever was one. Buried in deep behind the President’s immigration order fallout, and the potential grand jury decision on whether to indict Darren Wilson.

The House GOP panel must have figured this was a great time to release the report when no one was watching. The report indicates that the Administration did nothing wrong, that the CIA and Pentagon did what they they could to help respond, and that no one in the Administration misled anyone knowingly.

And later obtained intel ended up supporting claims that were initially made and then rolled back in any event (that the knowledge/presence of the infamous video did play a role in inflaming passions in Libya).

Despite all this, watch the GOP continue with the investigations in the hopes that they’ll find someone who is going to fall into a perjury trap - just so they can say that they got someone.

6 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 6:46:28pm

WORSE THAN WATERGATE, AND WE KNOW NOW THAT THE COVER UP GOES UP ALL THE WAY TO USURPER-IN-CHIEF BARACK HUSSEIN OBOLA

7 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 21, 2014 6:47:58pm

I’m Trey Goudy, I have questions about Benghazi because neither my tie or my pointy pelt head is getting me enough attention….

Sasquatch wears a necktie
8 Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2014 6:49:22pm

re: #4 bill d

THE LIST OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE BENGHAZI! COVER UP IS JUST GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER!

Nah, apparently they’re just ignoring this report. Instead, they’re focusing on the NYT coming out today and saying that indeed some militants with ties to Al-Q participated in the attack, treating it as a vindication of their belief that Al-Q was responsible.

9 bill d  Nov 21, 2014 6:49:44pm

re: #7 RealityBasedEbola

I’m Trey Goudy, I have questions about Benghazi because neither my tie or my pointy pelt head is getting me enough attention….

Image: Sasquatch wears a necktie

I like the tie, rather that than the generic wingnut red power tie.

10 jamesfirecat  Nov 21, 2014 6:51:03pm

Damn it Charles why do you have to start a new thread right as I am getting worked up into a good rant about how Great and timeless Mark Hamil’s performance as the Joker was?

Fine I am gonna call it a night

Enjoy…
Youtube Video

11 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 6:51:38pm

Benghazombie, the undead investigation.

12 lawhawk  Nov 21, 2014 6:51:46pm

President secretly expands role of US forces in Afghanistan to go after terrorists there.

President Obama signed a secret order in recent weeks authorizing a more expansive mission for the military in Afghanistan in 2015 than originally planned, a move that ensures American troops will have a direct role in fighting in the war-ravaged country for at least another year.

Mr. Obama’s order allows American forces to carry out missions against the Taliban and other militant groups threatening American troops or the Afghan government, a broader mission than the president described to the public earlier this year, according to several administration, military and congressional officials with knowledge of the decision. The new authorization also allows American jets, bombers and drones to support Afghan troops on combat missions.

In an announcement in the White House Rose Garden in May, Mr. Obama said that the American military would have no combat role in Afghanistan next year, and that the missions for the 9,800 troops remaining in the country would be limited to training Afghan forces and to hunting the “remnants of Al Qaeda.”

The decision to change that mission was the result of a lengthy and heated debate that laid bare the tension inside the Obama administration between two often-competing imperatives: the promise Mr. Obama made to end the war in Afghanistan, versus the demands of the Pentagon that American troops be able to successfully fulfill their remaining missions in the country.

13 ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2014 6:57:29pm

Here is the big question!

Where is Trey Gowdy’s U.S. Flag Pin? That Congressional Pin IS NOT ENOUGH!!!

I want his resignation.

14 Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2014 6:58:59pm
15 lawhawk  Nov 21, 2014 6:59:30pm

The Chicago Sun Times is reporting the two have connections with the new Black Panthers.

Bad jobu. Seriously bad jobu here. Glad the FBI arrested them before they could carry out any kind of attack. They were arrested in a sting - after attempting to purchase explosive materials for use in pipe bombs.

16 bill d  Nov 21, 2014 7:03:18pm

re: #15 lawhawk

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The Chicago Sun Times is reporting the two have connections with the new Black Panthers.

Bad jobu. Seriously bad jobu here. Glad the FBI arrested them before they could carry out any kind of attack. They were arrested in a sting - after attempting to purchase explosive materials for use in pipe bombs.

Bad deal. I will love though on how the same very people who earlier this week where whining that the KKK were an ancient, nobody, obscure fringe group will now claim how the New Black Panthers represent all people to the left of Goldwater.

17 BongCrodny  Nov 21, 2014 7:04:08pm

I’m sorry, but I don’t believe this is a true story. There simply has been no corroboration by any of the legitimate news media.

I went over to Drudge, and there was nothing at all about this story on that hallowed web site. Nothing!

Then I went over to Breitbart, and you know what? Yep. Zip, zilch, nada.

And then I went over to the Daily Caller…I guess I don’t have to tell you what I didn’t find there!

And then I went over to GotNews, and…oh, wait a minute. No I didn’t.

Even I have my standards.

18 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 7:09:36pm

REPUBLICANS DEBUNKING THEIR OWN LIES PROVES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TELLING THE TRUTH ALL ALONG!!!1!1!!

19 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 7:13:41pm
20 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 21, 2014 7:17:07pm

re: #19 jaunte

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But this is perfectly fine for them….


21 bill d  Nov 21, 2014 7:17:32pm

So has FoxNews contracted with Jim Hoft to be their man on the Ferguson street reporter yet?

22 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 21, 2014 7:18:33pm

re: #20 RealityBasedEbola

But this is perfectly fine for them….

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Bring me your white,
your well armed,
your Christian masses,
yearning to breathe free
…you betcha!

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 21, 2014 7:19:26pm

Also:

The House Intelligence Committee report was released with little fanfare on the Friday before Thanksgiving week. Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select Committee appointed in May.

This is like wasteful spending on steroids. Seriously, how many Franklins have been tossed away into these waste piles?

24 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 7:20:54pm

re: #20 RealityBasedEbola

Sarah Palin, afraid of Americans:

“We’ll survive this president. The question is…
…(overdramatic pause)…
can we survive the people* who voted for him, twice?”

*66 million Americans

25 calochortus  Nov 21, 2014 7:21:36pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t worry, apparently Gowdy plans to call some new witnesses he’s dredged up in December. I’m sure that will change everything.

26 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 7:22:04pm


A white black terror? I’s all confuzilated.

27 Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2014 7:24:48pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Also:

The House Intelligence Committee report was released with little fanfare on the Friday before Thanksgiving week. Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select Committee appointed in May.

This is like wasteful spending on steroids. Seriously, how many Franklins have been tossed away into these waste piles?

The answer, of course, is “However many it takes.” The end goal is to destroy Hillary Clinton, and she still remains one of the strongest contenders for 2016. So if Gowdy’s circus fails to hit pay dirt, they’ll just whip up another “investigation.”

28 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 7:28:58pm

“The Keystone Pipeline is either a 1,200-mile long, job-creating Slip ‘N Slide made out of rainbows and children’s dreams, or the Mississippi River-sized poison-laden urethra of Satan himself.” — Jon Stewart

29 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 7:30:15pm

Off topic, but what’s the html code for posting graphics now? I’d appreciate any info.

I’d also appreciate any info on why the ending of “Non-Stop,” an otherwise decent suspense flick, at least for the first hour, sucks farts out of dead rats. Thanks in advance,

30 darthstar  Nov 21, 2014 7:34:55pm

Holier than thou tweets piss me the fuck off.

31 dog philosopher  Nov 21, 2014 7:35:07pm

re: #24 jaunte

can we survive the people* who voted for him, twice?

there is more of us’n than there is of you yanno

32 Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2014 7:36:37pm

re: #29 De Kolta Chair

The best way to post images is to upload the image to LGF, which you can do by dragging the image into the comment posting area.

Displaying images that are hosted at other sites is a major web designers’ faux pas; it’s known as “hotlinking.”

33 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 7:37:48pm

IMPIOUS WRETCH!

34 HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2014 7:38:14pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Bamnesty. SMFH. Fuck the NY Post and the bigotry it caters to. By the way, did they indict Wilson?

35 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 7:38:54pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

No word yet, that I’ve seen.

36 BeachDem  Nov 21, 2014 7:39:26pm

Going back to that local Fox affiliate tweet/delete from the previous post. Did anyone else notice that they misspelled Darren?

You had one job…

37 HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2014 7:40:02pm

re: #24 jaunte

Sarah Palin, afraid of Americans:

*66 million Americans

It’s typical of her divisive attitude. Never once has POTUS or VP Biden actually attacked the Americans that voted for their opponents. Yet Sarah the “maverick” and “patriot” feels she can say this kind of shit about the majority of her fellow Americans. Fuck Sarah if you thought Obama was so bad and so undeserving of a second term, why didn’t you run? Oh I forgot. You’re a pathetic grifter who prefers the money and lack of responsibility that comes with being a right wing folk hero.

38 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 7:40:36pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

The best way to post images is to upload the image to LGF, which you can do by dragging the image into the comment posting area.

Displaying images that are hosted at other sites is a major web designers’ faux pas; it’s known as “hotlinking.”

Thanks very much, Charles. I’ll give it a go. Btw, if you haven’t read it already, I recommend Glyn John’s new book, “Sound Man.” Lotsa great anecdotes, and a timely tribute (and hopefully not an elegy) to old skool recording and engineering methods.

39 HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2014 7:40:55pm

re: #35 jaunte

No word yet, that I’ve seen.

Damn. Thanks though. In another news. The resort I had the phone interview with want me to come in and I think I made a good impression with a few agencies I talked to today at a federal job fair I went to. Hoping this means farewell to unemployment.

40 darthstar  Nov 21, 2014 7:41:29pm

re: #33 jaunte

Oh, don’t even fuckin’ start with that shit. In Jesus’ name, amen.

41 darthstar  Nov 21, 2014 7:45:16pm

re: #36 BeachDem

They did decide to indict? Great…now we can enjoy the show trial and the acquittal by a jury of white dudes and women who put fruit in Jello.

42 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 7:45:46pm

re: #30 darthstar

Holier than thou tweets piss me the fuck off.

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Decriminalize the word ‘Fuck’.

43 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 7:47:05pm

Hey darthstar, I got some new clamps!

44 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 7:49:54pm

re: #41 darthstar

They did decide to indict? Great…now we can enjoy the show trial and the acquittal by a jury of white dudes and women who put fruit in Jello.

Look on the bright side — the jury selection may add some joie de vivre to the voir dire. ////

45 BeachDem  Nov 21, 2014 7:52:21pm

re: #41 darthstar

They did decide to indict? Great…now we can enjoy the show trial and the acquittal by a jury of white dudes and women who put fruit in Jello.

NO—read it again—some local affiliate put it up then took it right down—as was discussed, probably getting two stories ready to go.

46 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 7:53:19pm

Testing testing one two three..

Quick, what movie is this from?

(Bear with me folks)

47 darthstar  Nov 21, 2014 7:55:10pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

Hey darthstar, I got some new clamps!

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Sweet! We’ve got rain - and the Sierras got…well, four inches of snow.

48 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 21, 2014 7:55:16pm

re: #46 De Kolta Chair

Testing testing one two three..

Image: Citizen-Kane-Microphone.jpg

Quick, what movie is this from?

One of those who is buried in Grants Tomb kinda questions?

49 darthstar  Nov 21, 2014 7:55:31pm

re: #45 BeachDem

NO—read it again—some local affiliate put it up then took it right down—as was discussed, probably getting two stories ready to go.

Fuckers.

50 darthstar  Nov 21, 2014 7:55:43pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

Decriminalize the word ‘Fuck’.

You’ve read my profile.

51 Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2014 7:59:17pm

Whoever joked that they wouldn’t announce the verdict til midnight might have been right.

52 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 7:59:31pm

re: #48 Indy GOP Refugee

One of those who is buried in Grants Tomb kinda questions?

Indeed it is. And if I’m not mistaken the answer is Bobby Sherman and Hayley Mills.

53 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 8:02:06pm


SUCCESS!!!

54 nines09  Nov 21, 2014 8:05:34pm

re: #7 RealityBasedEbola

They love every feather on my pointy widdle head. They doo!
55 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:06:57pm

Evening, all!

It’s probably not a good time for a vacation in scenic Buffalo, NY, or Ferguson, MO.

Nor is it a good time to be jumping on the Benghazi! bandwagon.

But it’s a great time to nuke some popcorn and watch the political clusterfuck that is the Republican Party dealing with a President who at this point doesn’t give a fuck what they think.

56 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 8:10:16pm

re: #54 nines09

Image: They love every feather on my pointy widdle head. They doo!

Further proof of Napoleon’s adage, “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.”

57 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:12:09pm
58 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 8:13:21pm

re: #57 austin_blue

He’s still searching for his look.
google.com

59 nines09  Nov 21, 2014 8:15:41pm

re: #57 austin_blue

Disastrous haircut.

Disaster of a head.

60 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 21, 2014 8:16:07pm

For your Friday night entertainment while waiting for the grand jury decision…here’s Post Modern Jukebox doing a ridiculously cute 1920’s style cover of an otherwise forgettably offensive song from Snoop Dogg:
Youtube Video

61 Lidane  Nov 21, 2014 8:16:11pm

Mental health break:

62 makeitstop  Nov 21, 2014 8:16:22pm

re: #59 nines09

Disaster of a head.

Inside and out.

63 nines09  Nov 21, 2014 8:16:22pm

re: #56 De Kolta Chair

Further proof of Napoleon’s adage, “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.”

With the people the GOP caters to, it’s a plus.

64 nines09  Nov 21, 2014 8:16:55pm

re: #58 jaunte

FAIL.

65 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:17:10pm

re: #58 jaunte

He’s still searching for his look.
google.com

Oh, holy shit! The poor fucker has bad hair day in his genetic structure.

And we laugh at his inadequate genome!

66 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 8:17:58pm

“…For the second time in as many years, both chambers of the Missouri legislature have passed bills to nullify federal gun laws. The House version of the “Second Amendment Preservation Act” declares all federal laws “invalid” if they “infringe on people’s rights to keep and bear arms” and gives residents the right to sue federal agents who try to enforce federal statutes. The Senate version states that such federal agents could be subject to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.”
time.com

67 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 8:19:31pm

re: #50 darthstar

You’ve read my profile.

I concur with this sentiment. I mean, fuck, who the fuck hasn’t talked that way, no reason to fucking keep it under wraps because it’s the word ‘fuck.’

That sucks about moisture in northern California. All the local meteorology gurus around here are calling for 12 to 18 inches by Monday/Tuesday.

I’ve got like three pairs of skis that are bonfire-sacrifice worthy. Just give me the go-ahead and I’ll torch some shit.

68 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:19:32pm

re: #61 Lidane

Mental health break:

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I’ve got a Corgi next door. Ollie will herd dirt. And bark at it to make it obey.

69 sagehen  Nov 21, 2014 8:19:48pm

re: #48 Indy GOP Refugee

One of those who is buried in Grants Tomb kinda questions?

Some of those kinda questions are harder than you’d think.

How long was the 100 years war?

70 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 8:20:02pm

re: #63 nines09

With the people the GOP caters to, it’s a plus.

If not mandatory.

71 De Kolta Chair  Nov 21, 2014 8:21:05pm

re: #61 Lidane

Mental health break:

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“WE ARE NOT AMUSED.”
72 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 21, 2014 8:21:14pm

re: #69 sagehen

Some of those kinda questions are harder than you’d think.

How long was the 100 years war?

116 years. 1337-1453 IIRC.

73 BongCrodny  Nov 21, 2014 8:21:20pm

re: #54 nines09

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Kinda looks a little bit like that guy who plays The Penguin on Gotham.

74 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 21, 2014 8:24:06pm

re: #72 William Barnett-Lewis

116 years. 1337-1453 IIRC.

Which of course lead to the War of the Roses which is really important to Americans because it ended with the Tudors and very different kind of English monarchy.

75 Jenner7  Nov 21, 2014 8:24:43pm
76 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:25:00pm

re: #69 sagehen

Some of those kinda questions are harder than you’d think.

How long was the 100 years war?

It never really stopped, it just morphed. One faction or another on the continent was at perpetual war for centuries.

77 Belafon  Nov 21, 2014 8:26:16pm

re: #61 Lidane

The eyepatch is what did it for me.

78 Sherlock Hound  Nov 21, 2014 8:26:19pm

re: #71 De Kolta Chair

I had a cat that loved being held on her back! At least, when I held her. As a consequence, instead of just jumping on my lap when she wanted a hug, she would meow piteously around my ankles until I picked her up. And rocked her. Wish I was joking. Such a child.

79 bill d  Nov 21, 2014 8:27:01pm

re: #66 jaunte

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I am sure that there is a big old asterisk in that Missouri 2nd amendment bs bill that winks on how that 2nd amendment stuff only applies to folks who are white an look like they are patriots. never forget that the 1st California gun control laws were enacted because teh blahs were carrying guns and scared and confused dad.

80 bill d  Nov 21, 2014 8:27:50pm

re: #72 William Barnett-Lewis

116 years. 1337-1453 IIRC.

But 16 years of that war neither side really tried that hard.

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81 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 21, 2014 8:29:15pm

BBL. Time to head to work.

82 jaunte  Nov 21, 2014 8:30:39pm

re: #79 bill d

It does mention “law-abiding citizens” a lot.
house.mo.gov

83 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 21, 2014 8:31:44pm

re: #74 William Barnett-Lewis

Which of course lead to the War of the Roses which is really important to Americans because it ended with the Tudors and very different kind of English monarchy.

Different? They finally reunited the two sides of the Plantagenets (York and Lancaster) and stopped 30 odd years of Civil War under the “Winter King” Henry 7th (who was boringly competent for the most part until his later years when financial issues cropped up) .

Otherwise, England remained a not so great place to be a peasant.

84 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:33:16pm

re: #82 jaunte

It does mention “law-abiding citizens” a lot.
house.mo.gov

Those are the white people who don’t get shot whenever a Peace Officer gets scared.

85 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 21, 2014 8:37:12pm

Since we are on the subject of the War of the Roses…fun fact:

My spouse is a direct line descendant of William the Conquerer Bastard and therefore a Plantagenet. I found out all the women of her side of the family always wear red roses at funerals and never, ever wear white roses under any circumstance.

Lancastrians still over 500 years later??!

86 BeachDem  Nov 21, 2014 8:40:39pm

re: #75 Jenner7

It’s a shame there isn’t some kind of fine or penalty for the media when they get a story wrong; something that might cause them to pause and check their sources. I’d even be happy if there were a mass movement to point and laugh at them when they do it over and over and over again.

But, alas, calling a synagogue a mosque, or putting Obama instead of Osama in a chyron; or placing Hong Kong in South America on a map does not seem to incur anything even resembling embarrassment among the money-grubbing, be-first-and-who-cares-if-we’re-right media.

I continue to believe that after J-school, I chose the more ethical path into advertising and marketing, where, at least there are some standards and some penalties for getting it wrong.

87 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 8:49:52pm

This Grand Jury thing in St. Louis County is just horrible. It’s like that line in “Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory” where Gene Wilder says “The suspense is killing me. I hope it lasts” except it’s not funny at all because something deep is going on in north St. Louis County, something that may well define the American Character for a generation or two.

88 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 21, 2014 8:52:29pm

Hearing on the twitters that the grand jury decision is in but is being withheld until Sunday.

In what effing universe does that make any sense? Is it to gather more tanks and snipers over the weekend?

89 Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2014 8:52:57pm

re: #88 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hearing on the twitters that the grand jury decision is in but is being withheld until Sunday.

In what effing universe does that make any sense? Is it to gather more tanks and snipers over the weekend?

The fuck?

90 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:54:38pm

If anyone thought that the grand Jury announcement was going to be released today, they were smoking crack. Two days to react when people weren’t at work?

Really?

That announcement will be made on a weekday when it’s 35 degrees and raining. If it doesn’t happen for two weeks, so be it.

91 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 8:55:00pm

God shed His grace on thee

92 bill d  Nov 21, 2014 8:57:01pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

God shed His grace on thee

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Is this what a pole shift looks like? Easy to say climate change is BS if you are shivering and can’t see the polar bears getting sunburned.

93 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 8:58:44pm

re: #90 austin_blue

That announcement will be made on a weekday when it’s 35 degrees and raining. If it doesn’t happen for two weeks, so be it.

They’re counting on bad weather, I have no doubt about it.

94 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 8:59:00pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

God shed His grace on thee

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But we gots seven feet of snow in Buffalo!

The greatest hoax ever perpetserated on the Murkin people!

95 Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2014 8:59:43pm

So they’ve got a decision, but they’re gonna hold onto it until Sunday? That only makes sense if you truly believe they’re trying to bury this story by putting it at the very beginning of a holiday week, when most everybody will be too busy with their preparations and/or traveling to keep up with the news.

96 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 9:00:54pm

re: #94 austin_blue

perpetserated

Keeping this word. If there’s ever a Broadway play or musical of “Idiocracy” I would hope they use this word.

:-D

97 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 21, 2014 9:05:28pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

So they’ve got a decision, but they’re gonna hold onto it until Sunday? That only makes sense if you truly believe they’re trying to bury this story by putting it at the very beginning of a holiday week, when most everybody will be too busy with their preparations and/or traveling to keep up with the news.

It also means that there is no indictment. This gives LE time to set up as many APC’s, as many SWAT units and as many bald guys with mustaches, sunglasses and assault rifles as possible in and around the city.

I read there are around 280 legal observers en route to help the protesters with legal matters. I expect many of them will end up getting bludgeoned, threatened and arrested without charge just like what we saw 3 months ago…even as they are trying to be observers and not actual participants.

98 BeachDem  Nov 21, 2014 9:08:14pm

re: #90 austin_blue

If anyone thought that the grand Jury announcement was going to be released today, they were smoking crack. Two days to react when people weren’t at work?

Really?

That announcement will be made on a weekday when it’s 35 degrees and raining. If it doesn’t happen for two weeks, so be it.

Perhaps on Thanksgiving, when folks will either be heading out for their retail jobs so as not to get fired, or to buy a bunch of crap they don’t need and that is not all that big a bargain because it’s BLACK FRIDAY THURSDAY.

99 Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2014 9:08:35pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

It also means that there is no indictment. This gives LE time to set up as many APC’s, as many SWAT units and as many bald guys with mustaches, sunglasses and assault rifles as possible in and around the city.

I read there are around 280 legal observers en route to help the protesters with legal matters. I expect many of them will end up getting bludgeoned, threatened and arrested without charge just like what we saw 3 months ago…even as they are trying to be observers and not actual participants.

Yeah, that would be my conclusion as well. If they’ve got an indictment, then there’s no reason to put announcing it off. Arrest Wilson, charge him, and begin the process of trying him in court.

This is as clear an indication as any that there is no indictment, he’s going to walk, and now they’re setting up for the inevitable response. It’s everything that wingnuts will tell you they stand against…and they’re totally silent. They couldn’t give a shit less, but you can bet when the shit hits the fan Sunday, they’ll be the first to moan and cry over any looted or burned stores.

100 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 9:08:46pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Keeping this word. If there’s ever a Broadway play or musical of “Idiocracy” I would hope they use this word.

Actually, I was was going for “perpesterated ” but my dyslexia kicked in.

But I think you might be right! The mistake is better.

101 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 21, 2014 9:10:29pm

re: #25 calochortus

Don’t worry, apparently Gowdy plans to call some new witnesses he’s dredged up in December. I’m sure that will change everything.

Didn’t have my glasses on when I first read this, and thought Gowdy was calling new waitresses.

Come to think of it, he might yet.

102 teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2014 9:13:18pm

OBUMMER IS THE GRATEST THRET TO AMERICA THAT HAS EVER BEN PERPETSERATED ON THE UMERICAN PEEPL

103 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 9:14:18pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

OBUMMER IS THE GRATEST THRET TO AMERICA THAT HAS EVER BEN PERPETSERATED ON THE UMERICAN PEEPL

Nice!

104 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 21, 2014 9:15:42pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

It also means that there is no indictment. This gives LE time to set up as many APC’s, as many SWAT units and as many bald guys with mustaches, sunglasses and assault rifles as possible in and around the city.

I read there are around 280 legal observers en route to help the protesters with legal matters. I expect many of them will end up getting bludgeoned, threatened and arrested without charge just like what we saw 3 months ago…even as they are trying to be observers and not actual participants.

Cynical me: I was thinking that they needed the extra couple of days to make certain that all of their people open fire at the same time.

105 Amory Blaine  Nov 21, 2014 9:15:56pm

Wow. CBS totally got that wrong. I am so shocked.

106 BeachDem  Nov 21, 2014 9:20:36pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Yeah, that would be my conclusion as well. If they’ve got an indictment, then there’s no reason to put announcing it off. Arrest Wilson, charge him, and begin the process of trying him in court.

This is as clear an indication as any that there is no indictment, he’s going to walk, and now they’re setting up for the inevitable response. It’s everything that wingnuts will tell you they stand against…and they’re totally silent. They couldn’t give a shit less, but you can bet when the shit hits the fan Sunday, they’ll be the first to moan and cry over any looted or burned stores.

I don’t think there will be an indictment either, but on one site, molawyersmedia.com (which, for some reason I can’t access right now) they were saying that if the GJ decided to indict, before they announced it, they would tell Wilson and his lawyers and arrange to have him either present or be picked up, would have to do the paperwork for the arrest etc.

Don’t think that’s what is happening, but COULD explain the delay in announcing. (And now I will ride my previously mentioned unicorn up the north face of the big rock candy mountain.)

107 Amory Blaine  Nov 21, 2014 9:21:59pm

I ordered some surprise marital aids (and other stuff) for my sweetie and I on Amazon. I’m on 3rd shift this week so I was sleeping all day when the packages arrived, which she opened. Some of the items were incorrect. Very incorrect. She uh was, to say the least, confused all day long. I got a real good laugh before work though.

108 austin_blue  Nov 21, 2014 9:29:46pm

re: #107 Amory Blaine

I ordered some surprise marital aides (and other stuff) for my sweetie and I on Amazon.

I considered a marital aide, but She Who Must Be Obeyed calmly informed me that she would stomp me into a bloody stain if I brought another woman into this house. I demurred.

109 Amory Blaine  Nov 21, 2014 9:32:14pm

re: #108 austin_blue

Ha!! Thanks. Corrected.

110 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 21, 2014 9:42:08pm

re: #108 austin_blue

I considered a marital aide, but She Who Must Be Obeyed calmly informed me that she would stomp me into a bloody stain if I brought another woman into this house. I demurred.

My wife and I had been married a few years when I suggested that we adopt an orphan from overseas. She thought it was a wonderful idea until I suggested that a Vietnamese girl of about 18 would be perfect. I escaped with cuts and bruises.

111 Single-handed sailor  Nov 21, 2014 9:42:37pm

I was browsing the USGS Earthquake map page. There are some interesting earthquake numbers for the last month. States with the most earthquakes over M2.5 in the last month.

Alaska - ~240
Nevada - 218
Oklahoma/South Kansas - 169
California - 60

112 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 21, 2014 9:50:19pm

re: #111 Single-handed sailor

Not good. I’ve lived on an edge of the Pacific for most of my life and I prefer lots of little quakes to one big one.

113 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 21, 2014 9:55:54pm

re: #111 Single-handed sailor

The Kansas/Oklahma ones are a bit strange. They are well outside of the New Madrid fault zone…and most of what I have read indicates major faults in the Kansas to Oklahoma region are ancient and unlikely to be reactivated in any meaningful sense. You might get some local reactivation in the event of pumping waste water or frakking fluids at depth,depending on the orientation of the fault to current shear or strain forces.

114 Varek Raith  Nov 21, 2014 10:15:09pm

re: #108 austin_blue

I considered a marital aide, but She Who Must Be Obeyed calmly informed me that she would stomp me into a bloody stain if I brought another woman into this house. I demurred.

Good call.
:P

115 BeachDem  Nov 21, 2014 10:25:15pm

The Smithsonian has now sunk to Buzzfeed level listicles.

smithsonianmag.com

Their 100 most significant Americans includes many who are not Americans, a horse and Sarah Palin (and lists Arnold Schwarzenegger and Hulk Hogan as significant athletes, along with Secretariat.) No category for scientists or writers (although Edith Wharton did share the First Women category with the aforementioned Sarah Palin and Bette Davis), but sections for outlaws and religious leaders. The presidents include George W. Bush and (of course) Ronaldus Reaganus, but not Eisenhower, not Kennedy, and of course, not Obama (obviously not significant.)

The methodology is absurd (Wikipedia and books scanned by Google figure in a major way) and the results are laughable.

Idiocracy! It’s not just a movie anymore.

116 Varek Raith  Nov 21, 2014 10:27:48pm

re: #115 BeachDem

Sigh….

117 BadExampleMan  Nov 21, 2014 10:28:09pm

re: #83 Aunty Entity Dragon

Otherwise, England remained a not so great place to be a peasant.

As it remains today.

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 21, 2014 10:45:22pm

re: #83 Aunty Entity Dragon

Compared to, the French or Russian monarchies I’d say yes. The ideas of Parliament, national religious institutions as well as the political acumen of last Tudor monarch made a place that was somewhat better in when short term and encouraged industry, trade, and exploration that lead to the colonies and even more rethinking of the social contact.

120 Jenner7  Nov 21, 2014 10:51:17pm
121 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 21, 2014 11:05:04pm

re: #120 Jenner7

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“Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it.” - Jonathan Swift

123 freetoken  Nov 22, 2014 12:22:50am
124 freetoken  Nov 22, 2014 3:23:29am
125 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 3:34:38am

re: #115 BeachDem

Idiocracy! It’s not just a movie anymore.

It was never just a movie. It’s always been a documentary.

126 urbanmeemaw  Nov 22, 2014 3:37:29am

re: #75 Jenner7

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I’m shocked, shocked that a major news outlet would be so eager to implicate African Americans in a nefarious plot to blow crap up. And I thought gun purchasing was a sacrament? So why would they be arrested?

127 simoom  Nov 22, 2014 4:02:50am

Flag with swastika spotted outside Norfolk home

NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) - Residents of a Norfolk neighborhood are speaking out against a neighbor after he flew a Nazi flag outside his home in Ghent.

Ghent resident Sherene Silverberg and her son, who are Jewish, were passing by on Mowbray Arch when the flag caught their eye.

“We saw that flag. It was like being kicked in the belly by a horse. This is America, a country that is tolerant,”Silverberg said.

wavy.com also spoke with the homeowner to get his side of the story. The man who put up the flag wouldn’t go on camera unless 10 On Your Side agreed to his terms, in writing. As a news organization, WAVY does not agree to conditions like that, so we did not interview him on camera. But he did say he put the flag up to protest President Obama.

128 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 22, 2014 4:08:14am

re: #127 simoom

Flag with swastika spotted outside Norfolk home

Because opposing Obama is just like Nazis, or Obama is just like Nazis, or …?

I’m lost.

129 Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2014 4:11:01am

It’s convenient when assholes fly their flags, avoids a lot of doubt and confusion. Around here we have to rely on Confederate and Gadsden license plates.

130 Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2014 4:34:17am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Here in Wilco, it’s just bloody obvious.

131 Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2014 4:51:52am
132 lawhawk  Nov 22, 2014 5:35:10am

re: #120 Jenner7

Shaun’s wrong on this. The men were charged with federal firearms offenses, but they were plotting to detonate a bomb after the grand jury came down. In fact, Reuters has much more:

As initially reported by CBS News, the men were suspected of acquiring explosives for pipe bombs that they planned to set off during protests in Ferguson, according to the official, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the case.

The official said the two men are the same pair named in a newly unsealed federal indictment returned on Nov. 19 charging Brandon Orlando Baldwin and Olajuwon Davis with purchasing two pistols from a firearms dealer under false pretenses.

Both men were arraigned on Friday in federal court, the law enforcement source said.

In other words, it’s likely the pair will be facing additional charges in coming days as a result of their plan to bomb. Looks like the FBI sting wanted to see how far these two would go in their plans to cause mayhem, and these two obliged them.

133 ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2014 5:37:39am

Morning all.

Crazy morning on C’bus streets and highways. 27° and light rain. Perfect for making an ice rink. And the roads are.

Local freeway police and Highway patrol have been shutting down some highways as there were at one point a dozen or more accidents.

Saw one image of a couple of FedEx trucks that must have been behind each other and then did the slip and slide. One of the tandem trailers apparently jackknifed and ended up with one trailer on top of another and the second truck kissing the front of that stacked truck.

A bunch of cars were scattered about having got caught in the mess and bouncing off each other. Ugh.

I hate those tandem trailer semis. Now that they can do the same speeds as everyone else, some of those driver like to mix it up with traffic. We have a huge FedEx distribution center out at Rickenbacker Air Base for air shipments on our south end and another big land based trucking center on the west side just past the outerbelt. FedEx trucks are all over the southwest side of this city. Someone’s Christmas and Holiday gifts probably aren’t getting there in good shape any time soon.

Damn crazy weather this year…and it’s not even Thanksgiving yet.

I hope all this is just winter coming early, and then hopefully leaving early too. Like right after Christmas!

I see Ferguson is still in a holding pattern. The tension has got to be building.

134 lawhawk  Nov 22, 2014 5:40:15am

re: #133 ObserverArt

Stay safe there!

135 ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2014 5:44:16am

re: #38 De Kolta Chair

Thanks very much, Charles. I’ll give it a go. Btw, if you haven’t read it already, I recommend Glyn John’s new book, “Sound Man.” Lotsa great anecdotes, and a timely tribute (and hopefully not an elegy) to old skool recording and engineering methods.

Ohhh…gotta get that book! Always liked his work. Johns has some of the greatest rock ‘n’ roll albums ever produced in his portfolio.

Not many can compete with this list.

Steve Miller Band - Children of the Future, 1968
Steve Miller Band - Sailor, 1968
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin, 1969
Family - Family Entertainment, 1969
Steve Miller Band - Brave New World, 1969
Steve Miller Band - Your Saving Grace, 1969
Humble Pie - Humble Pie, 1970
The Rolling Stones - Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out! The Rolling Stones in Concert, 1970 “Produced by The Rolling Stones and Glyn Johns”
The Who - Who’s Next, 1971 “Produced by The Who. Associate producer / Glyn Johns”
Faces - A Nod Is as Good as a Wink… to a Blind Horse, 1971
Boz Scaggs - Moments, 1971
Humble Pie - Rock On, 1971
Boz Scaggs - Boz Scaggs & Band, 1971
Eagles - Eagles, 1972
The Ozark Mountain Daredevils - The Ozark Mountain Daredevils, 1973
Eagles - Desperado, 1973
Gallagher & Lyle - The Last Cowboy, 1974
Georgie Fame - Georgie Fame, 1974
Andy Fairweather Low - La Booga Rooga, 1975
The Who - The Who By Numbers, 1975
Fairport Convention - Rising for the Moon, 1975
Ron Wood & Ronnie Lane - Mahoney’s Last Stand, 1976
Joan Armatrading - Joan Armatrading, 1976
Andy Fairweather Low - Be Bop ‘N’ Holla, 1976
Eric Clapton - Slowhand - 1977
Pete Townshend & Ronnie Lane - Rough Mix, 1977
Joan Armatrading - Show Some Emotion, 1977
The Who - Who Are You, 1978
Joan Armatrading - To the Limit, 1978
White Mansions - 1978
Eric Clapton - Backless, 1978
Marc Benno - Lost in Austin, 1979
Midnight Oil - Place Without a Postcard, 1981
Nine Below Zero - Don’t Point Your Finger, 1981
The Clash - Combat Rock, 1982
The Who - It’s Hard, 1982
Joan Armatrading - Track Record, 1983
Bob Dylan - Real Live, 1984
Téléphone - Un Autre Monde, 1984
New Model Army - The Ghost of Cain, 1986
John Hiatt - Slow Turning, 1988
Stevie Nicks - Street Angel (uncredited), 1994
Crosby, Stills & Nash - After The Storm, (1994)
Belly - King (1995)
Joe Satriani - Joe Satriani, 1995
Linda Ronstadt - We Ran, 1998
Ryan Adams - Ashes & Fire, 2011
Band of Horses - Mirage Rock, 2012
The Staves - Dead & Born & Grown, 2012

136 ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2014 5:49:06am

re: #134 lawhawk

Stay safe there!

I did all my shopping yesterday when the sun was out. Got a feeling this was going to happen.

So, I’m drinking nice warm green tea with citrus touches and watching Abu Dhabi Formula One qualifying. Last race of the season and down to the this race to judge the drivers championship between the two Mercedes driver/teammates.

Freaking Abu Dhabi Yas Marina race circuit. Docked just past the track they showed a huge line of yachts. Some of the yachts appear to be as large as some ships! Ahh…oil money and a playground for the rich and richer.

137 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 22, 2014 5:57:24am

re: #136 ObserverArt

I did all my shopping yesterday when the sun was out. Got a feeling this was going to happen.

So, I’m drinking nice warm green tea with citrus touches and watching Abu Dhabi Formula One qualifying. Last race of the season and down to the this race to judge the drivers championship between the two Mercedes driver/teammates.

Freaking Abu Dhabi Yas Marina race circuit. Docked just past the track they showed a huge line of yachts. Some of the yachts appear to be as large as some ships! Ahh…oil money and a playground for the rich and richer.

Gotta spend all that oil money somehow.

138 Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2014 6:27:19am
139 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 6:50:53am

re: #138 Dave In Austin

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Guess I’m not sure why that’s gone so viral. Turning up all over - 3rd or 4th time I’ve seen it here and I’ve seen it at a couple of gun sites too. I must have watched too much cheech and chong …

140 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 22, 2014 6:55:20am

re: #139 William Barnett-Lewis

Guess I’m not sure why that’s gone so viral. Turning up all over - 3rd or 4th time I’ve seen it here and I’ve seen it at a couple of gun sites too. I must have watched too much cheech and chong …

China has a similar video circulating: Chinese senior citizens watching Nicki Minaj’s Anaconda music video. Three women and one man. He loved it. Two ladies said it was not bad. One woman was deadset against it. Too much skin and bouncing butts. On the other hand, that same woman knew what twerking was, so I suspect she watches racy music videos when her family isn’t watching.

The pot smoking grannies are better, but only just barely.

141 Lancelot Link  Nov 22, 2014 6:57:18am

re: #139 William Barnett-Lewis

People keep forgetting it’s already been posted.

142 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 22, 2014 7:07:40am

Bill Cosby insists the 20(?) women who’ve come forward to accuse him of sexual assault/rape are “innuendos.”
Bill Cosby: “People Should Fact Check”

The show—which reportedly began and ended with standing ovations

As a commenter at Gawker said, and people wonder why these women were hesitant to come forward.

143 Timothy Watson  Nov 22, 2014 7:14:07am

re: #142 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Related, but not sure how many have already have seen this:

When Jackie came to, she was alone. It was after 3 a.m. She painfully rose from the floor and ran shoeless from the room. She emerged to discover the Phi Psi party still surreally under way, but if anyone noticed the barefoot, disheveled girl hurrying down a side staircase, face beaten, dress spattered with blood, they said nothing. Disoriented, Jackie burst out a side door, realized she was lost, and dialed a friend, screaming, “Something bad happened. I need you to come and find me!” Minutes later, her three best friends on campus - two boys and a girl (whose names are changed) - arrived to find Jackie on a nearby street corner, shaking. “What did they do to you? What did they make you do?” Jackie recalls her friend Randall demanding. Jackie shook her head and began to cry. The group looked at one another in a panic. They all knew about Jackie’s date; the Phi Kappa Psi house loomed behind them. “We have to get her to the hospital,” Randall said.

Their other two friends, however, weren’t convinced. “Is that such a good idea?” she recalls Cindy asking. “Her reputation will be shot for the next four years.” Andy seconded the opinion, adding that since he and Randall both planned to rush fraternities, they ought to think this through. The three friends launched into a heated discussion about the social price of reporting Jackie’s rape, while Jackie stood beside them, mute in her bloody dress, wishing only to go back to her dorm room and fall into a deep, forgetful sleep. Detached, Jackie listened as Cindy prevailed over the group: “She’s gonna be the girl who cried ‘rape,’ and we’ll never be allowed into any frat party again.”

rollingstone.com

144 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 22, 2014 7:14:30am

And in other sickening rape news:
Why Were Three Teenage Rape Victims Bullied Out of School in Oklahoma?

The audio on the recording is clear and crisp. The boy slurs his words slightly, but the sentiment is unmistakable.

“She was asleep,” he says. “She was, like, incoherent. Like, you could not talk to her at all… And I was just like, all right, get on your knees. And she did. And I just fucked the shit out of her, man. It just happened. She was passed out. I pulled her little tiny-ass shorts she had to the side and I just fucked the shit out of her.”

It’s a long, sickening story by Anne Merlan at Jezebel, but many commenters read the whole thing, despite the triggers, so that they could hear the voices of the three girls who were not only abused by their attacker, but by the administrators and their fellow students afterward.

The author promises follow-up stories as well.

145 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 22, 2014 7:14:50am

re: #142 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Bill Cosby insists the 20(?) women who’ve come forward to accuse him of sexual assault/rape are “innuendos.”
Bill Cosby: “People Should Fact Check”

As a commenter at Gawker said, and people wonder why these women were hesitant to come forward.

I’m a Cosby fan from way back, but his continued silence leaves me cold. “Innuendos,” indeed. Sorry, old man, I don’t have much sympathy for you.

146 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 22, 2014 7:16:19am

re: #143 Timothy Watson

Related, but not sure how many have already have seen this:

rollingstone.com

I saw that story posted here the other day, I think. Heartbreaking.

147 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 22, 2014 7:17:54am

re: #146 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

I saw that story posted here the other day, I think. Heartbreaking.

21st century, and it’s still the girl’s fault she got raped.

We haven’t made much progress, it seems.

148 lawhawk  Nov 22, 2014 7:25:50am

So, despite months and years of vested in finding the Administration did something wrong re: Benghazi, the propagandists at FoxNews buried that the House GOP panel exonerated the Administration and found no wrongdoing. And immediately moved on to the next faux scandal - the IRS. Again.

Fox is purposefully misleading the American people with their ongoing and purposeful smears and misinformation campaign. And millions of people fall for it without realizing that they’re being misled (or don’t care that they’re being misled).

149 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 22, 2014 7:27:50am

re: #148 lawhawk

So, despite months and years of vested in finding the Administration did something wrong re: Benghazi, the propagandists at FoxNews buried that the House GOP panel exonerated the Administration and found no wrongdoing. And immediately moved on to the next faux scandal - the IRS. Again.

Fox is purposefully misleading the American people with their ongoing and purposeful smears and misinformation campaign. And millions of people fall for it without realizing that they’re being misled (or don’t care that they’re being misled).

Fox just parrots Rush and the other RWNJ propaganda outlets, but with moar blondz.

150 lawhawk  Nov 22, 2014 7:30:46am

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

And legs. Lots of legs. Because nothing says serious “reporting” like legs. And they know how to use ‘em.

151 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2014 7:34:41am

re: #1 Kragar

More like the kid finding the marble in the oatmeal, except there’s no marble and the teabaggers still get blasted in the face with the firehouse.

152 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 22, 2014 7:38:37am

re: #150 lawhawk

And legs. Lots of legs. Because nothing says serious “reporting” like legs. And they know how to use ‘em.

I wonder if there is any correlation between the accuracy of a story and the amount of leg shown during that topic. Maybe it’s a subconscious, “if we show plenty of leg, they won’t notice the story is complete garbage”?

153 darthstar  Nov 22, 2014 7:38:53am

re: #67 teleskiguy

It’s raining again…this may dump a bit more snow. We just need a good base right now. And a storm a week through March.

154 Weet  Nov 22, 2014 7:43:57am
155 lawhawk  Nov 22, 2014 7:45:58am

Hoft retweeted this nonsense:

Sorry Jim, but that doesn’t excuse American slavery or the fact that Southern whites still thinks that poor treatment of minorities is acceptable.

156 Weet  Nov 22, 2014 7:46:32am
157 Dr. Matt  Nov 22, 2014 7:51:33am
158 CarolJ  Nov 22, 2014 7:53:28am

Sometimes I wonder if folks like that aren’t paid to create unnecessary trouble. While I can see some impulsive stuff coming, the organizers and Al Sharpton have worked hard to prevent trouble and to channel anger into something constructive. Why? because the white racists in power need to have visuals of looting to scare everyone else into going along with a crackdown and to perpetuate the fear.

If nothing happens, there will be a big push to take away those expensive toys from police departments. Maybe there might be a movement to end police brutality once and for all. Maybe #Ferguson becomes white supremacy’s last real stand. Maybe Jay Nixon and his fearmongering looks like a fool.

After all a couple of pipe bombs won’t really do that much damage to the cops and certainly are ineffective against that heavy armor. But there could be panic and overreaction on both sides, and that could trigger the riot they want to see.

159 MomSense  Nov 22, 2014 7:54:27am

In other “no there there” news. Germany closed the probe on US spying on Merkel.

160 darthstar  Nov 22, 2014 7:55:12am
161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2014 8:02:37am
162 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 22, 2014 8:03:44am

re: #159 MomSense

Aquittal or forgiven?

163 Dr. Matt  Nov 22, 2014 8:04:20am
164 ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2014 8:07:01am

Reading the comments about rape and Ferguson, it is a sad statement on the ‘old boys’ school still being in existence.

165 CarolJ  Nov 22, 2014 8:07:19am

This is what Sharpton has been doing:

Link

166 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 8:08:07am

re: #155 lawhawk

Hoft retweeted this nonsense:

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Sorry Jim, but that doesn’t excuse American slavery or the fact that Southern whites still thinks that poor treatment of minorities is acceptable.

Lots of societies had slavery, but 19th Century America was the one that was simultaneously celebrating its unique committment to human freedom and liberty. And it was the one that made it into a big, government regulated commercial business. And it was one of the few wherein slavery was hereditary - in a country that had eschewed hereditary titles.

People talk about how wonderful western Civilization is, and excuse things like slavery and genocide and war because other cultures did them, too. But Western Civilization has done every single one of them far more efficiently and ruthlessly than others.

167 Dr. Matt  Nov 22, 2014 8:09:59am

The #Benghazi hashtag is noticeable absent of right-wingers/idiots.

168 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 8:11:16am

re: #167 Dr. Matt

The #Benghazi hashtag is noticeable absent of right-wingers/idiots.

Give it a week. The amnesia takes a few days to kick in sometimes.

169 Dr. Matt  Nov 22, 2014 8:11:55am
170 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 8:25:03am
171 lawhawk  Nov 22, 2014 8:27:35am
172 MomSense  Nov 22, 2014 8:28:38am

re: #162 Indy GOP Refugee

Here’s a quick link.

france24.com

173 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 22, 2014 8:29:27am

I just found this website: Resist the Privatization of America, and it has a great primer on ALEC’s upcoming meeting.
ALEC turns the screws tighter

There is a lot of information in this post.

Mission statements of the task forces. Important to know as the task forces are the backbone of ALEC’s operations. But also for you to see how well it frame it’s messages. (Remember, ALEC is always an “it” - I don’t care what SCOTUS says. When they execute a corporation in Texas, then maybe I’ll believe in corporate personhood…nah.)

Links to various model bills.

Links to various ALEC publications which include articles which are related to each of the task forces. These I always find particularly insightful reading.

So this is, by necessity, a long post. I’d like to suggest that you bookmark it and digest it in portions, taking the time to check out the links. Doing it this way will give you a deeper understanding of ALEC - not only what it is doing, but it’s underlying agenda. ( Please note that some of this may be too advanced for some of the newbies learning about ALEC. You might want to read The ABC’s of ALEC before tackling all of the information in this post. I’ve got another great introductory article queued to re-post shortly.)

Most importantly, reading this post thoroughly will increase your insight into ALEC’s critical part in what I call the extreme right wing ALEC/Koch/AFP cabal’s strategy and tactics. It is the writer - worldwide - of conservative legislation and legislation to benefit the 1%. It will improve your ability to connect the dots between ALEC and what is happening where you live. And help you learn how to sniff out “ALEC DNA”.

Worth taking a look at.

174 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 22, 2014 8:29:33am

From WaPo:
Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson has mastered a disappearing act since shooting
Excerpt:

It’s unclear to what extent Wilson’s safety would be in jeopardy if he appeared in public, but one longtime acquaintance, speaking on the condition of anonymity, rattled off a series of online threats put out against the officer, including a$5,000 bounty posted on Twitter by a self-described urban militia group…

What a sensitive lad is Wilson. Any notable person who advocates for gun control will be doxxed and receive death threats within minutes. Armed gun fuckers will appear at any public venue where that person speaks. Cowardice and fear are the RW’s driving forces.

175 Belafon  Nov 22, 2014 8:37:54am

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Fox hasn’t come up with a message for wingers to parrot.

176 ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2014 8:42:36am

re: #175 Belafon

Fox hasn’t come up with a message for wingers to parrot.

The parroting prompters must be down.

177 BeachDem  Nov 22, 2014 8:44:16am

re: #174 Higgs Boson’s Mate

From WaPo:
Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson has mastered a disappearing act since shooting
Excerpt:

What a sensitive lad is Wilson. Any notable person who advocates for gun control will be doxxed and receive death threats within minutes. Armed gun fuckers will appear at any public venue where that person speaks. Cowardice and fear are the RW’s driving forces.

A “self-described urban militia group” made my eyes roll back in my head. What evah could that mean? And they posted a bounty on Twitter? Where ah my smelling salts.

And all of this information comes from a long-time anonymous acquaintance. Stop the presses. Polish up the Pulitzer.

178 Dr. Matt  Nov 22, 2014 8:45:26am

Now that the administration has been exonerated from the Benghazi conspiracies, we’ll be able to count on one hand the number of times it will be mentioned tomorrow on the Sunday shows.

179 Jenner7  Nov 22, 2014 8:59:12am

That’s right. He made specific comments when Trayvon was murdered, but why is he so silent on Mike Brown?? I don’t get it.

180 Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2014 8:59:59am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

Now that the administration has been exonerated from the Benghazi conspiracies, we’ll be able to count on one hand the number of times it will be mentioned tomorrow on the Sunday shows.

It will be mentioned by Old John McCain and Lindsey Graham as reasons for the Senate to get involved. If there’s any mention of it at all, that will be it.

On Fox, they’ll just make up shit, ignore that this has been investigated seven times already, and demand a new “in depth” investigation.

So really, we can’t call this a do-nothing Congress. They do do things, the same things, over and over and over again.

181 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 9:02:05am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

Now that the administration has been exonerated from the Benghazi conspiracies, we’ll be able to count on one hand the number of times it will be mentioned tomorrow on the Sunday shows.

I’m reminded of Newt, in Aliens, when Ripley tells her the soldiers are there to protect her:

“It won’t make any difference.”

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 9:04:31am

re: #179 Jenner7

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That’s right. He made specific comments when Trayvon was murdered, but why is he so silent on Mike Brown?? I don’t get it.

Because it made things politically worse and probably helped gain Zimmerman’s acquittal so he didn’t want to do that again?

183 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 9:06:05am

re: #179 Jenner7

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That’s right. He made specific comments when Trayvon was murdered, but why is he so silent on Mike Brown?? I don’t get it.

I wonder if it has to do with being aware that his comments on Trayvon led to Zimmerman becoming a cause celebre for the Right.

I remember early on, some wingnuts were saying, “Another Dirty Harry wannabe who went too far.” Then Obama expresses sympathy, limited as it may have been, for Trayvon’s family, and the next thing you know, Trayvon’s a thug who jumped poor, innocent George Zimmerman and beat him nearly to death.

184 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 9:06:31am

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Because it made things politically worse and probably helped gain Zimmerman’s acquittal so he didn’t want to do that again?

Great minds, and all that.

185 BigPapa  Nov 22, 2014 9:08:55am

The House Intelligence Committee should be investigated because obviously Obama should have been found guilty. Issa needs to get Issa’d.

186 Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2014 9:09:22am

re: #174 Higgs Boson’s Mate

From WaPo:
Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson has mastered a disappearing act since shooting
Excerpt:

What a sensitive lad is Wilson. Any notable person who advocates for gun control will be doxxed and receive death threats within minutes. Armed gun fuckers will appear at any public venue where that person speaks. Cowardice and fear are the RW’s driving forces.

The comments at the WaPo seem to indicate most posters don’t think Wilson shot Brown enough. Apparently he should have walked up to Brown and put one through his head, just to be sure.

187 Belafon  Nov 22, 2014 9:10:28am

re: #186 Skip Intro

Apparently he should have walked up to Brown and put one through his head, just to be sure.

Except, he did. The last shot went into Brown’s head at an angle that would have required Wilson to be nearly right on top of him.

188 BigPapa  Nov 22, 2014 9:12:01am

Wingnuts: ‘the American people are stupid.’

Right wing media: treat the American people as stupid.

Wingnut politicians: treat the American people as stupid.

Gruber: ‘the American people are stupid.’

Why isn’t Gruber on Fox now?

189 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2014 9:12:14am

re: #186 Skip Intro

The comments at the WaPo seem to indicate most posters don’t think Wilson shot Brown enough. Apparently he should have walked up to Brown and put one through his head, just to be sure.

From the autopsy report, he pretty much did.

190 BeachDem  Nov 22, 2014 9:12:42am

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Because it made things politically worse and probably helped gain Zimmerman’s acquittal so he didn’t want to do that again?

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

I wonder if it has to do with being aware that his comments on Trayvon led to Zimmerman becoming a cause celebre for the Right.

I remember early on, some wingnuts were saying, “Another Dirty Harry wannabe who went too far.” Then Obama expresses sympathy, limited as it may have been, for Trayvon’s family, and the next thing you know, Trayvon’s a thug who jumped poor, innocent George Zimmerman and beat him nearly to death.

You two were both faster than I was, so I defer to your comments and agree that Obama saw what a firestorm his “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon” created (hell, I still see wingers ranting about it) and decided the less said, the better.

191 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 9:21:13am

re: #190 BeachDem

You two were both faster than I was, so I defer to your comments and agree that Obama saw what a firestorm his “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon” created (hell, I still see wingers ranting about it) and decided the less said, the better.

It’s like how the Right bitches that Obama doesn’t “Unite America on race”. They want him to tell them they’re not racist, to say that racism is dead in America, and that black folks should just shut up about it, because it’s all in their heads.

A lot of people thought the election of the first black President would make it possible to finally have the adult conversation about race and racism in America, but I think most white folks hoped it had just obviated the need to even have the conversation.

192 Jenner7  Nov 22, 2014 9:22:13am

re: #190 BeachDem

At this point in his Presidency, fuck that. He’s been called an Emperor, has a lawsuit against him, and will likely be impeached. Already, right wingers think Darren is a hero, so who cares at this point?

I’m not sure what else Obama said, because the whole interview isn’t shown and won’t be until Sunday. But saying the OBVIOUS, to keep protests peaceful, was a big fat insult to the hard working activists on the ground. If Obama really cared about this issue, he would have said something a lot sooner. He’s been a real disappointment on this issue. And I don’t go after Obama that much. I think he’s had to deal with the worst Congress ever, the racist GOP, and the idiots on the left who say he hasn’t done enough. But, with this, I really think he’s dropped the ball.

193 Belafon  Nov 22, 2014 9:24:04am

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

A lot of people thought the election of the first black President would make it possible to finally have the adult conversation about race and racism in America, but I think most white folks hoped it had just obviated the need to even have the conversation.

I wish it were that nice, but I think a lot of white folks think Obama is the perfect example of why black folks get things their white son does not. Does that even make sense if you think about it? No, but who has ever accused them of thinking through these things?

194 Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2014 9:24:25am

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

From the autopsy report, he pretty much did.

If that really is the case, how can he possibly not be indicted?

195 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 22, 2014 9:25:54am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

Now that the administration has been exonerated from the Benghazi conspiracies, we’ll be able to count on one hand the number of times it will be mentioned tomorrow on the Sunday shows.

Exonerated? Hell, no! The failure of the seven previous investigations is proof positive of the incredible Chicagopoliticscommiemuslim scope of the Obama administration’s datardly cover up. Investigating Benghazi will be a wingnut Representative’s rite of passage for years to come.

196 BigPapa  Nov 22, 2014 9:26:25am

The election of Obama created a new (to me) warped worldview: that black folk are they themselves responsible for racism. It’s so maddeningly facile and stupid but it’s pushed with some level of intellectual veneer.

It’s essentially just trolling.

197 BigPapa  Nov 22, 2014 9:27:01am

I have a bad feeling about Ferguson. Really bad.

198 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 9:27:16am

re: #194 Skip Intro

If that really is the case, how can he possibly not be indicted?

They take care of their own.

199 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2014 9:28:10am

re: #198 William Barnett-Lewis

They take care of their own.

This.

200 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2014 9:34:58am
201 ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2014 9:35:58am

re: #193 Belafon

I wish it were that nice, but I think a lot of white folks think Obama is the perfect example of why black folks get things their white son does not. Does that even make sense if you think about it? No, but who has ever accused them of thinking through these things?

Yep…equal opportunity-ed all the way into the White House.

Hell of a program. I’m glad I helped.

202 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 9:36:18am

re: #196 BigPapa

The election of Obama created a new (to me) warped worldview: that black folk are they themselves responsible for racism. It’s so maddeningly facile and stupid but it’s pushed with some level of intellectual veneer.

It’s essentially just trolling.

It’s the white Southern view writ large. You’d be amazed how many rednecks here in Texas and across the South will tell you with a straight face that blacks would be on Easy Street if they didn’t complain so damn much.

203 blueraven  Nov 22, 2014 9:40:34am

re: #192 Jenner7

At this point in his Presidency, fuck that. He’s been called an Emperor, has a lawsuit against him, and will likely be impeached. Already, right wingers think Darren is a hero, so who cares at this point?

I’m not sure what else Obama said, because the whole interview isn’t shown and won’t be until Sunday. But saying the OBVIOUS, to keep protests peaceful, was a big fat insult to the hard working activists on the ground. If Obama really cared about this issue, he would have said something a lot sooner. He’s been a real disappointment on this issue. And I don’t go after Obama that much. I think he’s had to deal with the worst Congress ever, the racist GOP, and the idiots on the left who say he hasn’t done enough. But, with this, I really think he’s dropped the ball.

Really I don’t think it is about what right wingers think. It is about tainting the Grand Jury. Remember, they are not sequestered so they get all the news. Any sympathetic statement would cause a firestorm.
For the president to say anything right now is not a smart move. It may make some people feel better but it would not help, and could be quite harmful.

204 CarolJ  Nov 22, 2014 9:41:46am

re: #192 Jenner7
The Justice Department is investigating.

Secondly, look at what he’s done: sent White House representatives to Brown’s funeral, 100 FBI agents to Ferguson, Eric Holder has made a visit. Indeed, the FBI was on the scene interviewing witnesses a few days after it happened. There is an ongoing Justice Department investigation. He’s met with Al Sharpton and several activists who are trying to coordinate a peaceful response to the expected verdict.

Apparently he’s been leaning on Jay Nixon to take the local police out of the picture completely as well.

205 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 22, 2014 9:51:40am

re: #204 CarolJ

That’s good. where did you see that?

206 De Kolta Chair  Nov 22, 2014 9:59:13am
Happy 115th birthday Hoagy Carmichael

Youtube Video

207 #FergusonFireside  Nov 22, 2014 10:20:59am

re: #196 BigPapa

The election of Obama created a new (to me) warped worldview: that black folk are they themselves responsible for racism. It’s so maddeningly facile and stupid but it’s pushed with some level of intellectual veneer.

It’s essentially just trolling.

I’ll post this again

208 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 22, 2014 10:21:25am

re: #190 BeachDem

You two were both faster than I was, so I defer to your comments and agree that Obama saw what a firestorm his “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon” created (hell, I still see wingers ranting about it) and decided the less said, the better.

I can only hope some quiet memos went out, about not blocking media flights, harassment assault and false arrest of the media will not be tolerated by the DOJ etc. We’ll have to wait and see.

209 #FergusonFireside  Nov 22, 2014 10:45:51am
210 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 11:05:00am
211 jaunte  Nov 22, 2014 11:24:24am

That’s the ol’ zero-sum Thanksgiving spirit.

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 11:25:24am

re: #211 jaunte

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That’s the ol’ zero-sum Thanksgiving spirit.

Nice appeal to our know-nothing history…

213 CarolJ  Nov 22, 2014 11:33:55am

re: #205 Indy GOP Refugee

Here are some links:

White House Aides To Attend Michael Brown’s Funeral Service

Apparently the meeting with activists did not happen-it was meeting with the NAACP and others civil rights groups. But I’m sure he’s talked to Sharpton privately, who has been in Ferguson.

BTW, this apparent meeting has really agitated the crazy right about a statement “stay the course”. Of course the course is the series of peaceful protests that have taken place so far and the meticulous planning for the verdict. It may well be this planning that keeps things from getting out of hand.
Eric Holder Visits Ferguson

In Ferguson, Tactics Set for Grand Jury Decision in Michael Brown Case

Obama Meets With Civil Rights Leaders At White House

214 jaunte  Nov 22, 2014 11:34:00am

But, but immigrants will be stealing our broadband!!!!

215 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 11:34:25am

You can bet there is going to be a decision before Turkey Day. The speculation I heard on teh TV is that the GJ is still hearing witnesses…

216 Belafon  Nov 22, 2014 11:35:17am

re: #214 jaunte

I think your concern is supposed to be for those poor ISPs.

217 jaunte  Nov 22, 2014 11:36:42am

re: #216 Belafon

That cartoonist works in Indiana; must be a rich vein of nativism to mine there.

218 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 11:40:47am

re: #214 jaunte

LEAVE IT TO LIBRUL NEW YORK TO START SPREADING OBAMACARE-STYLE INTERNET ACCESS TO THE POORZ

/Ted Cruz

219 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 11:43:31am

Nothing much to add…

Youtube Video

Other than to give thanks that my service time was all peace time. Good lord help them and hold them.

That’s probably all for today. Just have mercy on those we’ve damaged so indiscriminately on both sides of Bush’s Wars of Choice.

220 ninja cat  Nov 22, 2014 11:51:24am

I went to a cat cafe yesterday, missing my own. I paid 5 euro for a cappuccino and the chance to observe a lot of chubby cats sleeping and ignoring me. At least mine do that for free.

221 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 11:54:29am

I got even more upset with the media this am when anchor and “meteorologist” on both a local network station and CNN (only news at that hour) were laughing about the situation in the Buffalo area.

Beginning to think that the only criterion left in hiring “talent” is whether or not their brain pan is empty.

Fourteen people have died as a result of the snow there so far. And no doubt thousands are suffering the results of this snow.

Now they may have to contend with flooding and more collapsing roofs.

222 blueraven  Nov 22, 2014 11:56:13am

re: #211 jaunte

That’s the ol’ zero-sum Thanksgiving spirit.

Gary Varvel is the editorial cartoonist for The Indianapolis Star.

And of course he thinks he is a Christian. *spit*

Varvel’s spends his mornings as a part-time art teacher for Bethesda Christian School High School in Brownsburg, Indiana. He is a member of Bethesda Baptist Church and is a Sunday School Teacher for an adult class.

Varvel is a frequent speaker at churches, business groups, social clubs, colleges and schools. His motivational talks range from a comical conversation about current events as depicted in his cartoons, to the keys to success in following your dreams, to an historical perspective on America’s Godly heritage.

223 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 11:57:45am

re: #222 blueraven

Gary Varvel is the editorial cartoonist for The Indianapolis Star.

And of course he thinks he is a Christian. *spit*

Wow, a real “christian” as defined by the RWNJs, no doubt.

224 jaunte  Nov 22, 2014 11:58:43am

re: #222 blueraven

a Sunday School Teacher for an adult class

I think he skipped a few classes.

225 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 11:59:33am

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Wow, a real “christian” as defined by the RWNJs, no doubt.

He is quite real, unfortunately.

226 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 11:59:49am

re: #224 jaunte

I think he skipped a few classes.

He obviously thinks bigotry is “comical”.

227 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:00:18pm

re: #222 blueraven

Christian? My ass. Ask the little **** what he thinks of this from the Epistle of James:

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

bolding my own.

228 jaunte  Nov 22, 2014 12:00:32pm

re: #226 Justanotherhuman

He’s a cynic who knows his market niche.

229 retired cynic  Nov 22, 2014 12:05:29pm

re: #228 jaunte

Now I regret my nic. WTF

230 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 12:06:14pm

Are these guys on work release?

231 blueraven  Nov 22, 2014 12:06:37pm

re: #228 jaunte

He’s a cynic who knows his market niche.

These fuckers have twisted Christianity just like the radical Islamist. No they aren’t openly violent…not yet anyway. But their sick ideology is spreading and seems to be more and more acceptable in, so called, “decent society”.

I know some true Christians, and this is not the way they think. Not at all.

232 jaunte  Nov 22, 2014 12:06:49pm

re: #229 retired cynic

Oops! Not you.

233 retired cynic  Nov 22, 2014 12:11:07pm

re: #232 jaunte

(grin)

234 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:11:49pm

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was the son of God and should be worshiped.
Saying someone isn’t a true Christian because his interpretation of Christianity doesn’t agree with yours is making a claim that your interpretation is the only true one. Such a problematic claim is hard to prove.

235 allegro  Nov 22, 2014 12:12:19pm

re: #231 blueraven

These fuckers have twisted Christianity just like the radical Islamist. No they aren’t openly violent…not yet anyway. But their sick ideology is spreading and seems to be more and more acceptable in, so called, “decent society”.

I know some true Christians, and this is not the way they think. Not at all.

If he isn’t, as a Sunday school teacher and teacher at a christian school, then those “true” christians are sure buried deep underground these days.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:12:38pm

re: #222 blueraven

I emailed him excoriating his alleged Christianity though I know it will make no difference. SMH. Kýrie eléison…

237 ausador  Nov 22, 2014 12:14:57pm

Maybe if the Democrats and Obama approved the Keystone XL pipeline then Republicans would stop investigating Benghazi, and Mary Landrieu would get elected, and Unicorns would shit rainbows that rebirthed the middle class…or something. :(

238 Belafon  Nov 22, 2014 12:16:12pm

re: #234 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

If they’re going to claim that they are Christians, I’m going to say they’re not. It is an interpretation, and you know what, their Jesus did the same thing. For example, the story of the Good Samaritan.

239 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:16:36pm

re: #235 allegro

If he isn’t, as a Sunday school teacher and teacher at a christian school, then those “true” christians are sure buried deep underground these days.

Yes, I know.

Of the four parts of the essay I’m writing on being a christian in the 21st century, one full quarter is about how being an atheist is a utterly HOLY response to the crap passed off as “Christian” these days.

240 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 12:17:26pm

Most Evangelicals Believe Natural Disasters Are The Apocalypse, Not Climate Change

thinkprogress.org

241 Jenner7  Nov 22, 2014 12:17:40pm
242 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:18:19pm

re: #238 Belafon

If they’re going to claim that they are Christians, I’m going to say they’re not. It is an interpretation, and you know what, their Jesus did the same thing. For example, the story of the Good Samaritan.

And that claim would be as legitimate as the right’s claim that liberals aren’t true Christians.

243 blueraven  Nov 22, 2014 12:19:58pm

re: #234 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was the son of God and should be worshiped.
Saying someone isn’t a true Christian because his interpretation of Christianity doesn’t agree with yours is making a claim that your interpretation is the only true one. Such a problematic claim is hard to prove.

I guess there are many interpretations, and yes, mine is only my sense of true Christianity; To follow, as much as possible, the example and teachings of Jesus Christ.

244 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:20:34pm

re: #234 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I disagree simply because, even though we disagree on who or what he was - or even if he existed as a human being - we do have a coherent set of teachings that are within the boundaries of what was acceptable as a Jewish Rabbi in the time he was alleged to have lived. I will say that I believe that we can have a base line of what really is the teaching of that Rabbi and I will say that I try to follow that Son of Man. You may well disagree - no problem with me - but I will keep trying to live the way that I believe He pointed to.

245 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:21:44pm

re: #242 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

And that claim would be as legitimate as the right’s claim that liberals aren’t true Christians.

You are right in that. I will still live my life trying to put the lie to them. I hope you don’t mind…

246 Dark_Falcon  Nov 22, 2014 12:21:50pm

re: #236 William Barnett-Lewis

I emailed him excoriating his alleged Christianity though I know it will make no difference. SMH. Kýrie eléison…

Youtube Video

247 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:22:09pm

re: #243 blueraven

I guess there are many interpretations, and yes, mine is only my sense of true Christianity; To follow, as much as possible, the example and teachings of Jesus Christ.

What those teachings are and what his alleged words mean - all of this, of course, is a matter of interpretation.

248 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:23:29pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

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Yes, I always loved that song even though it came out long before my conversion from Celtic paganism to an anglican/celtic form of Christianity, Thank you for the link, DF.

249 allegro  Nov 22, 2014 12:23:47pm

re: #239 William Barnett-Lewis

Yes, I know.

Of the four parts of the essay I’m writing on being a christian in the 21st century, one full quarter is about how being an atheist is a utterly HOLY response to the crap passed off as “Christian” these days.

With the misogynist and bigoted Dawkins-Harris loud faction of atheism of late, it’s another label to eschew. I do want to read your essay. Are you going to publish it in the Pages?

250 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:24:03pm

re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis

I disagree simply because, even though we disagree on who or what he was - or even if he existed as a human being - we do have a coherent set of teachings that are within the boundaries of what was acceptable as a Jewish Rabbi in the time he was alleged to have lived.

True, but seen in this “historicist” context, his teachings might as well be incompatible with liberalism.

251 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:25:32pm

re: #249 allegro

With the misogynist and bigoted Dawkins-Harris loud faction of atheism of late, it’s another label to eschew. I do want to read your essay. Are you going to publish it in the Pages?

When I finally get that far it will come here first. I will _NEED_ the lizards to keep me honest in my theology.

252 jaunte  Nov 22, 2014 12:26:15pm

Pretty sure ‘don’t share the turkey’ was not a piece of Jesus wisdom.

253 Belafon  Nov 22, 2014 12:26:23pm

re: #247 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

What those teachings are and what his alleged words mean - all of this, of course, is a matter of interpretation.

You know, I can open the book the wingers claim to read, point at a passage from Jesus pretty easily and show how they aren’t even following it.

254 Belafon  Nov 22, 2014 12:28:08pm

re: #249 allegro

You’re an atheist because the word exists?

255 Dark_Falcon  Nov 22, 2014 12:29:10pm

re: #251 William Barnett-Lewis

When I finally get that far it will come here first. I will _NEED_ the lizards to keep me honest in my theology.

Well, you’ve got the humility part of Christianity down good. That’s more than many people can say, including me.

BBL

256 allegro  Nov 22, 2014 12:31:20pm

re: #251 William Barnett-Lewis

When I finally get that far it will come here first. I will _NEED_ the lizards to keep me honest in my theology.

Interesting. I can distill my ethical code down to the teachings of my parents:

Dad: do right
Mom: you create your own heaven or hell here on earth

Those two rules have covered about everything in my 61 years.

257 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 12:32:58pm

As someone commented, “Overkill?”

258 allegro  Nov 22, 2014 12:33:02pm

re: #254 Belafon

You’re an atheist because the word exists?

Clearly not. I am currently disgusted with the brand as represented by assholes.

259 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:34:26pm

re: #253 Belafon

You know, I can open the book the wingers claim to read, point at a passage from Jesus pretty easily and show how they aren’t even following it.

True. But true for any Christian.

260 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:37:15pm

re: #250 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

True, but seen in this “historicist” context, his teachings might as well be incompatible with liberalism.

That argument can be made. Still, think of the passages where he talks about those who are causing problems. Try to convince them but they still don’t return to the fold. So, in the end, he says “treat them like the Gentiles or the Tax Collectors”. Many since have thought that means to excommunicate them. But yet, how did he treat them - the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the worst sinners imaginable - day to day? Who did he say the Doctor was here to treat? The Didache, a very early Christian work, says in [6:2] “For if you are able to bear the entire yoke of the Lord, you will be perfect, but if you are not able, then at least do what you can. (emphasis mine)

This to me is a very important teaching that goes to the heart of the Lord’s. Do what you can. Move step by slow step towards what is right. Toward God. None of us are perfect so you aren’t either. Just do the best you can and try to live the way the Lord taught us to.

The writers of the Didache lived somewhere around 70 ~ 100 AD. There is nothing in their book that indicates they knew of Paul. But there is nothing that contradicts the teachings of James. I find them very liberating teachers of the Way of Jesus.

261 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:37:19pm

re: #252 jaunte

Pretty sure ‘don’t share the turkey’ was not a piece of Jesus wisdom.

“He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Note, by “dogs” he meant certain human beings.

262 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 12:37:29pm

re: #258 allegro

Clearly not. I am currently disgusted with the brand as represented by assholes.

See, that’s why I dispute that it’s a brand at all.

Atheist is not a belief system, or a religion, or a philosophy. It’s the absence of a belief in a god or gods. I don’t have a BELIEF in common with Dawkins, Maher, Harris, etc. I don’t believe in the same thing they don’t believe in. I’m pretty sure that Bryan Fischer doesn’t believe in Odin and neither do I, but that doesn’t make us part of the same belief system.

I also don’t believe in the Tooth Fairy, so does that make me part of Atoothfairyeism?

263 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 12:38:49pm

re: #258 allegro

Clearly not. I am currently disgusted with the brand as represented by assholes.

I’m not a card-carrying atheist, and prefer to call myself “non-religious”.

I think humans are the “higher beings”, and some day, we’ll know exactly the “secrets” of the universe, how we got there, and if there are other intelligent beings somewhere.

I’d rather work toward that kind of understanding and knowledge, not back-peddle on it into another “dark ages”.

264 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:41:00pm

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

Some people are hung up on labels.
There was atheism before D&H, there will be atheism after D&H. Nothing they could ever do could “tarnish” a simple statement: “I lack belief in gods”.

265 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:42:14pm

re: #256 allegro

Interesting. I can distill my ethical code down to the teachings of my parents:

Dad: do right
Mom: you create your own heaven or hell here on earth

Those two rules have covered about everything in my 61 years.

You got 99.99% of what Jesus taught right there. Or as Hillel put:

Once there was a gentile who came before Shammai, and said to him: “Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot. Shammai pushed him aside with the measuring stick he was holding. The same fellow came before Hillel, and Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it.”

266 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 12:44:59pm

re: #265 William Barnett-Lewis

You got 99.99% of what Jesus taught right there. Or as Hillel put:

If we worked on our own faults as much as we condemned those of others, what a huge difference that would make in human relations.

I give myself mental slaps every. single. day. : )

267 Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2014 12:46:02pm

re: #222 blueraven

Gary Varvel is the editorial cartoonist for The Indianapolis Star.

And of course he thinks he is a Christian. *spit*

268 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:46:35pm

re: #261 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Note, by “dogs” he meant certain human beings.

And got slapped by a Canaanite woman for that saying. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” He even commended her for her faith despite his prejudice (note, I do not swallow the idea that He was sin free on earth).

269 #FergusonFireside  Nov 22, 2014 12:46:49pm

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

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As someone commented, “Overkill?”

More like overtime.

such bs

270 allegro  Nov 22, 2014 12:48:08pm

re: #265 William Barnett-Lewis

You got 99.99% of what Jesus taught right there. Or as Hillel put:

Like Carlin who demonstrated that there is really only one commandment: don’t be an asshole.

271 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:48:53pm

re: #266 Justanotherhuman

Me too. I count the failures and rarely remember the successes. Though I did drop off a blanket at the right place today and I’ll honestly admit that made me feel good.

272 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 12:49:38pm

re: #270 allegro

Like Carlin who demonstrated that there is really only one commandment: don’t be an asshole.

YES!!!!

273 Kid A  Nov 22, 2014 12:50:00pm
274 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:50:54pm

re: #268 William Barnett-Lewis

And got slapped by a Canaanite woman for that saying. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” He even commended her for her faith despite his prejudice (note, I do not swallow the idea that He was sin free on earth).

Yes. The problem is that the lesson here might as well be: there is an elite; those who don’t belong to it may get some crumbs as long as they’re willing to humiliate themselves.

Yes, I know one can proffer other interpretations. My point exactly.

Every generation tries to fit Jesus to their values.

275 allegro  Nov 22, 2014 12:53:25pm

re: #266 Justanotherhuman

If we worked on our own faults as much as we condemned those of others, what a huge difference that would make in human relations.

I give myself mental slaps every. single. day. : )

I had one of the moments today. I was on my way home from running errands when I saw a panhandler at a corner. I was all Grrrr that the light went red and I’d be stopped right next to him. He was mostly toothless, no shoes, dirty…. and then I felt like a total asshole. I’d just dropped $30 at the liquor store without blinking an eye. This guy is hungry. I can easily afford to give him $10. Still felt like an asshole, but at least he could eat tonight.

276 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 12:54:17pm

re: #274 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“Yes. The problem is that the lesson here might as well be: there is an elite; those who don’t belong to it may get some crumbs as long as they’re willing to humiliate themselves.”

Sounds like the Republicans’ “trickle down” theory…

277 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:55:39pm

The truth is, these labels don’t make sense in that historical setting. No more than “socialism” or “capitalism”. Which is why everyone succeeds in picking and choosing verses to support their vision of “true Christianity”.

278 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 12:56:42pm

re: #276 Justanotherhuman

“Yes. The problem is that the lesson here might as well be: there is an elite; those who don’t belong to it may get some crumbs as long as they’re willing to humiliate themselves.”

Sounds like the Republicans’ “trickle down” theory…

See, “Jesus was a Republican!” (not really).

279 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 1:00:41pm

re: #274 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Yes. The problem is that the lesson here might as well be: there is an elite; those who don’t belong may get some crumbs as long as they’re willing to humiliate themselves.

Yes, I know one can proffer other interpretations. My point exactly.

Every generation tries to fit Jesus to their values.

Truth. I do everything I can to fit the Lord’s teachings into ways people today can make their lives better. If it doesn’t do that then they _should_ walk way from it.

We both know what I think; a part of you would like it to be true, I think, but I don’t blame you for wanting more proof than I’ll ever be able to offer.

God’s WORD never changes. But our ability to understand it? That changes, day to day, as we grow from children to adults, from when we see the mirror dimly to when we will be in another place and see things clearly. To be sure, Paul understood gay people one way. We can, truly, Holy, know better now if we listen to the Spirit in this world, here and now.

I am able to chose to believe. That someone else can’t is not a problem, as such, to me. I only want to walk the way as best I can and if someone else wants to follow, I’ll give my hand to help them follow.

Not sure that make sense, even to me. But it’s as close to an explanation as I’ve come so far.

280 blueraven  Nov 22, 2014 1:03:04pm

re: #261 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Note, by “dogs” he meant certain human beings.

There is more to that, open to interpretation. Jesus and the disciples had gone to the region to rest.

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.”

Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.”

“Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”

Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (Matthew 15:21-28)

281 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 1:06:49pm

re: #275 allegro

I had one of the moments today. I was on my way home from running errands when I saw a panhandler at a corner. I was all Grrrr that the light went red and I’d be stopped right next to him. He was mostly toothless, no shoes, dirty…. and then I felt like a total asshole. I’d just dropped $30 at the liquor store without blinking an eye. This guy is hungry. I can easily afford to give him $10. Still felt like an asshole, but at least he could eat tonight.

When my son was in the hospital and not expected to recover from his cardiac arrest, I did the same thing, except I told my granddaughter (sitting on the side he was on) to contribute, too. Gave him about $22 (he had a sign that said, “Smile!” and something else, right there near the hospital. Whenever someone has approached me like that, I always give them a little cash because I have been helped by various people at various times in my life, too, although I was never quite that destitute.

My son was once homeless when he hit rock-bottom. But he was making a lot of progress, living in his own apt and getting both mental therapy and help for his physical ailments, the latter being too far gone for him to have survived.

BTW, his SS disability claim has just been approved (after 3 hearings) and his “estate” will get his benefits. The Admin Judge also said that NC erred when it disapproved him for SSI when he had a heart attack in 2011 and underwent an angioplasty with a stent placement. He certainly could have used those benefits when he was alive, and it saddens me that he was practically reduced to begging, although as a family, we tried to help him monetarily as much as we could.

But his isn’t the only story like that out there…

282 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 1:07:20pm

re: #280 blueraven

Seen historically, that is actually in line with what a Jewish rabbi would have taught. It was Paul who universalized and somewhat liberalized Christianity (contrary to a well-known stereotype).

283 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 1:10:10pm

More media gossip:

Editor’s note: Timing of the Michael Brown grand jury decision is still unclear, but several news organizations, including CNN and NBC, have now cited unnamed law enforcement sources pointing to a decision coming early next week. NBC’s sources say public safety units have scaled back their alert status for today. We will continue to monitor a variety of reports, from major organizations and local media to reputable on-the-ground sources. - Aaron
read more on nbcnews.com

284 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 1:10:36pm

re: #211 jaunte

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That’s the ol’ zero-sum Thanksgiving spirit.

I notice that the same folks who see it as a zero sum game at the bottom insist just the opposite for folks at the top. IOW, they claim that the rich getting richer doesn’t affect their compensation, but that some other working class guy getting better compensation makes them poorer.

I think it reflects their elitist, authoritarian view of the economy where the economy is driven by rich people and the rest of us are just along for the ride.

285 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 1:15:39pm

If the def of a Christian is “someone who tries to follow all of Jesus’ teachings”, I’m afraid there aren’t any.

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
33 Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made. 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply Yes or No; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

286 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 1:17:57pm

re: #282 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Seen historically, that is actually in line with what a Jewish rabbi would have taught. It was Paul who universalized and somewhat liberalized Christianity (contrary to a well-known stereotype).

I blew my (quite liberal) priest’s mind the other day when I argued that in 30 AD Palestine there were three main Pharisee schools:

1) Hillel
2) Shammai
3) Jesus

For various reasons after he was executed by the Romans, the majority of Jews decided Jesus teaching was outside the orthodox. In the end, the school of Hillel would predominate in Rabbinic Judaism and in many ways that was a good thing.

But if we really want to understand the Lord, we have to remember that he had no more intention of a new religion than the Wesley’s did.

287 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 1:19:27pm

re: #285 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Yes, there are parts that are contradictory and confusing.

I do the best I can based on 2 things: the great commandment and the Golden Rule.

288 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 1:22:29pm

re: #287 William Barnett-Lewis

Yes, there are parts that are contradictory and confusing.

I do the best I can based on 2 things: the great commandment and the Golden Rule.

Remember the epitome of cynicism in that bumper sticker that read, “Do unto others, then split”?

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 1:23:56pm

re: #288 Justanotherhuman

Remember the epitome of cynicism in that bumper sticker that read, “Do unto others, then split”?

Oy!

Yep. So very human a sentiment.

290 Usually refered to as anyways  Nov 22, 2014 1:26:04pm

re: #285 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

If the def of a Christian is “someone who tries to follow all of Jesus’ teachings”, I’m afraid there aren’t any.

Isn’t this the main tenant of Christianity, that none could keep the law, hence the need for a saviour?

291 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 1:27:36pm

re: #290 Usually refered to as anyways

Isn’t this the main tenant of Christianity, that none could keep the law, hence the need for a saviour?

And to bring that thought into modern secularism, a Superman.

292 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 1:27:55pm

re: #286 William Barnett-Lewis

Interestingly enough, we see a somewhat similar (only somewhat!) phenomenon in Chabad, where many Jews almost worship the Rebbe Schneerson as King Moschiach (and a small minority actually thinks he is God, cf. Elokists). Yet the Rebbe was nothing if not an (small-“o”) orthodox Jewish man. Gives one insight as to how these things happen.

293 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 1:29:20pm

re: #290 Usually refered to as anyways

Isn’t this the main tenant of Christianity, that none could keep the law, hence the need for a saviour?

Well, I think a liberal wouldn’t want to even try to follow the teachings in that quote.

294 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 1:30:54pm

re: #275 allegro

Been there. Done that. If I don’t have anyplace to be and have the money in my pocket? I say, “Let us go to dinner”. It might be a greasy spoon or McDonald’s, depending on the time and/or place, but the idea is to sit and break bread with _HIM_. Matthew 25 gives a theological excuse for why but really, isn’t it more fun to simply eat dinner with a new friend? Offer to eat with that one. If nothing else you’ll learn REALLY fast who is hungry vs. who is only thirsty…

295 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 22, 2014 1:31:21pm

If anybody is in the mood for some true world class, totally detached from reaility conspirisy reading, I suggest truther org DoNotLink Link it seems like half the articles follow the exact same template.

Come <<Date goes here>>, millions of people around the world will celebrate the <<Event goes Here>>. Based on breaking news and events, it appears that the Obama administration, at the behest of the CIA, will attempt to execute a horrific <<Atrocity goes here>> in a desperate bid to further <<Desired goal goes here>>

And of course, anything that has been predicted, but didn’t occur is proof (and claimed as such) that the blog was responsible for stopping it. I really favor the piece on “Asteroid Terror” which proves(?) that the faked landing on the comet last week is, in fact, all part of a much more sinister plot. (not sure exactly how… my brain kept hitting the reset button while reading it)

I’ll sum up the site in short. Charles J Johnson and Jim Hoft were heard saying “This guy is CRAZY”.

RBS

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2014 1:33:22pm

re: #211 jaunte

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That’s the ol’ zero-sum Thanksgiving spirit.

I’d much rather have Thanksgiving dinner with the folks at the window.
That family sitting around the table look too much like so many of those holiday-dinners-from-hell, with which many of us are sadly very familiar.

297 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 1:35:00pm

re: #290 Usually refered to as anyways

Isn’t this the main tenant of Christianity, that none could keep the law, hence the need for a saviour?

Big part of it. I like the verison of that idea in the Didache that I quoted up thread and will repeat here:

“For if you are able to bear the entire yoke of the Lord, you will be perfect, but if you are not able, then at least do what you can. (emphasis mine)

Says it all if we are willing to listen. Getting to god is a step by step path…

298 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 1:35:29pm

Family drama around the Thanksgiving dinner: The gift that keeps on giving.

299 PhillyPretzel  Nov 22, 2014 1:37:30pm

re: #298 Justanotherhuman

I agree and that is why I will not be going to my sister’s. I will have a very quiet and very pleasant Thanksgiving.

300 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 22, 2014 1:38:26pm

re: #275 allegro

I had one of the moments today. I was on my way home from running errands when I saw a panhandler at a corner. I was all Grrrr that the light went red and I’d be stopped right next to him. He was mostly toothless, no shoes, dirty…. and then I felt like a total asshole. I’d just dropped $30 at the liquor store without blinking an eye. This guy is hungry. I can easily afford to give him $10. Still felt like an asshole, but at least he could eat tonight.

Sad reality is that it will be a liquid supper. And even knowing that I, too, have given many times. That person says they will buy food. Why should I call him a liar? I will simply pray that it really is food and, if not, that god grants them the nourishment the so desperately need.

301 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 1:38:47pm
302 #FergusonFireside  Nov 22, 2014 1:39:01pm

Something about Ivy League football has me laughing today.

303 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 1:39:28pm

re: #299 PhillyPretzel

I agree and that is why I will not be going to my sister’s. I will have a very quiet and very pleasant Thanksgiving.

In my family, it’s always fairly pleasant at those gatherings.

It’s afterwards when the critiques start. : )

304 Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2014 1:39:36pm

re: #214 jaunte

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But, but immigrants will be stealing our broadband!!!!

There are still such a thing as pay phones?

305 PhillyPretzel  Nov 22, 2014 1:41:10pm

re: #304 Romantic Heretic

Pay phones? Yes, but they are very few.

306 #FergusonFireside  Nov 22, 2014 1:44:35pm
307 BeachDem  Nov 22, 2014 1:48:27pm

re: #270 allegro

Like Carlin who demonstrated that there is really only one commandment: don’t be an asshole.

That’s the one I try to live by too, and so far, it’s worked out pretty well. I call myself a non-believer, and the main thing that frosts my ass is when I hear the crap about how without a religion/god, atheists/non-believers have no morals or code of conduct.

I find that offensive, but actually feel comforted by the fact that I try to do right by my fellow humans because it’s the right thing to do, not because I fear damnation if I don’t. I think of it as my “higher calling.”

Edit to remove beginning of post where I was talking about Kirk Cameron’s new movie. Don’t know how that got there! (Will put that together later for its amusement value.)

308 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 1:49:13pm

re: #306 #FergusonFireside

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So, when are they going to fire him?

309 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2014 1:52:01pm

re: #307 BeachDem

That’s the one I try to live by too, and so far, it’s worked out pretty well. I call myself a non-believer, and the main thing that frosts my ass is when I hear the crap about how without a religion/god, atheists/non-believers have no morals or code of conduct.

I find that offensive, but actually feel comforted by the fact that I try to do right by my fellow humans because it’s the right thing to do, not because I fear damnation if I don’t. I think of it as my “higher calling.”

When similarly challenged, especially by assholes, I tell then that if morality is how you behave when nobody’s watching, they can’t claim to be moral since they always think Someone is watching.

Or I’ll point out that good behavior for fear of punishment is the moral level of toddlers.

310 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2014 1:56:00pm

Citing “great sorrow, great rage” and “great determination,” University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan says she’s suspending all the school’s fraternities until Jan. 9. The move comes days after a Rolling Stone article in which a woman described being gang-raped when she was a freshman in 2012.

311 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 1:58:35pm
312 allegro  Nov 22, 2014 2:00:48pm

re: #295 RealityBasedEbola

If anybody is in the mood for some true world class, totally detached from reaility conspirisy reading, I suggest truther org DoNotLink Link it seems like half the articles follow the exact same template.

Come <<Date goes here>>, millions of people around the world will celebrate the <<Event goes Here>>. Based on breaking news and events, it appears that the Obama administration, at the behest of the CIA, will attempt to execute a horrific <<Atrocity goes here>> in a desperate bid to further <<Desired goal goes here>>

And of course, anything that has been predicted, but didn’t occur is proof (and claimed as such) that the blog was responsible for stopping it. I really favor the piece on “Asteroid Terror” which proves(?) that the faked landing on the comet last week is, in fact, all part of a much more sinister plot. (not sure exactly how… my brain kept hitting the reset button while reading it)

I’ll sum up the site in short. Charles J Johnson and Jim Hoff were heard saying “This guy is CRAZY”.

RBS

Reminds me of one of our long ago RV vacations with another couple. RVs can be, let’s say, less than dependable at times and I was determined that this trip was going to be without issue. A couple of days before we left, I was at a local herb shop I frequented for medicinal herbs. The shop owner was a wiccan so I teasingly asked him to put protection spell on the rig. In all seriousness, he said it wouldn’t work if he did it but he could teach me how. Sure, why not?

Before we started the engine to leave, I made my husband and guests participate in what was actually a very charming and wonderful ritual. One by one we all stated what we expected from the trip which resulted in a spontaneous and genuinely loving group hug. Then we anointed our protective candle with our special oil and even had a designated seat in the RV for our Keeper of the Flame. (it was all very playful and fun)

From there, we credited the great weather and good roads and everything else that was good and fun to our “magick”. “Look what WE did!” we’d laugh. “This magick stuff really works!”

313 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 22, 2014 2:09:14pm

re: #312 allegro

I personally claim credit for the fact that not a single tiger attack has occurred in my town for many many year. Just saying….

RBS

314 sagehen  Nov 22, 2014 2:10:52pm

OT: the show “Constantine”. Anybody here been watching it?

I haven’t seen any of it yet, but if I want to catch up, is it worth it? Can someone suggest a “If you liked ________ you’ll like it” comparison?

315 BeachDem  Nov 22, 2014 2:11:04pm

re: #306 #FergusonFireside

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They just don’t get it, do they? It wasn’t even that it was racist, though it was, it was that it was so mean-spirited and unkind.

All their edits and deletions don’t change the fact, as Maya Angelou so beautifully put it:

“When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.”

316 BeachDem  Nov 22, 2014 2:14:34pm

re: #315 BeachDem

They just don’t get it, do they? It wasn’t even that it was racist, though it was, it was that it was so mean-spirited and unkind.

All their edits and deletions don’t change the fact, as Maya Angelou so beautifully put it:

“When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.”

Talking to myself, as is my wont, I also notice that when they edited it, they (clumsily) lightened the skin tones on the people at the window. Great save, guys/

317 Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2014 2:14:58pm

re: #314 sagehen

OT: the show “Constantine”. Anybody here been watching it?

I haven’t seen any of it yet, but if I want to catch up, is it worth it? Can someone suggest a “If you liked ________ you’ll like it” comparison?

Don’t know about ‘Constantine’, but I can say I just turned a co-worker of mine onto ‘Paranoia Agent’, the late Satoshi Kon’s trippy 13-episode anime TV series.

The opening credits set the mood for the freakiness to come:

Youtube Video

318 Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2014 2:15:51pm

re: #249 allegro

With the misogynist and bigoted Dawkins-Harris loud faction of atheism of late, it’s another label to eschew. I do want to read your essay. Are you going to publish it in the Pages?

Reza Aslan: New Atheists aren’t new and aren’t even atheists.

319 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 22, 2014 2:15:57pm

re: #314 sagehen

OT: the show “Constantine”. Anybody here been watching it?

I haven’t seen any of it yet, but if I want to catch up, is it worth it? Can someone suggest a “If you liked ________ you’ll like it” comparison?

I’ve been watching it… and I enjoy it. I haven’t read the graphic novels, so I’m not up on the canon, but John Constantine is a very troubled character, and Matt Ryan plays the part well.

Don’t know what to compare it too, I think in a way of X-files, and to some degree “Kolchak: The Night Stalker”. Give it a try…

RBS

320 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 2:16:28pm

re: #314 sagehen

OT: the show “Constantine”. Anybody here been watching it?

I haven’t seen any of it yet, but if I want to catch up, is it worth it? Can someone suggest a “If you liked ________ you’ll like it” comparison?

I’ve only seen the first episode. I liked it.

I don’t know the Hellblazer comics so I can’t judge it against the source material, but I enjoyed what I saw.

321 Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2014 2:19:35pm

re: #254 Belafon

You’re an atheist because the word exists?

I refer to myself as an agnostic using the chirpthistra definition of the word; some who doesn’t know the nature of God and doesn’t believe you do either.

322 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:21:43pm

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

Seen that. In fact, I even forgot that I’ve seen that and had to check the storyline to be sure. I guess it’s not “my” thing. What do you think of Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo and Afro-Samurai?

323 Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2014 2:24:38pm

re: #284 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it reflects their elitist, authoritarian view of the economy where the economy is driven by rich people and the rest of us are just along for the ride.

Until we throw the drivers out of the car.

It wouldn’t be the first time that happened.

324 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 2:25:30pm

Incomprehensible. To me, at least.

Newborn baby found alive in 8-feet drain along highway in Sydney suburb - @dailytelegraph
read more on dailytelegraph.com.au

325 Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2014 2:25:42pm

re: #322 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Seen that. In fact, I even forgot that I’ve seen that and had to check the storyline to be sure. I guess it’s not “my” thing. What do you think of Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo and Afro-Samurai?

Loved all three of ‘em. My tastes in anime are all over the place - from serious works like ‘Grave Of The Fireflies’ to bubblegum like ‘Urusei Yatsura’. I was hooked on ‘Bubblegum Crisis’ too.

Ahh, ‘Urusei Yatsura’….quite possibly the ultimate earworm theme song.

Youtube Video

You’re welcome.

326 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:27:09pm

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

What would you recommend that is sorta like the three series?

327 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:28:11pm

I told you Putin sponsors Eurofascists.

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2014 2:29:48pm

re: #327 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I told you Putin sponsors Eurofascists.

[Embedded content]

A Russian bank still has money worth that much to lend?

/half

329 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 2:30:11pm

The sit-in returns.

Student sit-in at UC Berkeley continues for 3rd day; students are protesting University of California tuition hikes - @LANow
read more on latimes.com

330 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:30:56pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

A Russian bank still has money worth that much to lend?

/half

All the more striking, isn’t it.

331 Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2014 2:31:53pm

re: #326 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

What would you recommend that is sorta like the three series?

‘Sword of the Stranger’…..it’s a film, not a series.

332 Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2014 2:33:37pm

Another earworm, one I’m sure many Lizards will recognize…..

Youtube Video

The Pillows rock it; one of my favorite bands.

333 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:33:59pm

Yet some brain-dead lefties now like Putin because he’s anti-US and stuff.

334 Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2014 2:36:15pm

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

Another earworm, one I’m sure many Lizards will recognize…..

[Embedded content]

The Pillows rock it; one of my favorite bands.

Somehow, I knew when you mentioned The Pillows, that song would be the one linked.

335 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 2:36:25pm

re: #333 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Yet some brain-dead lefties now like Putin because he’s anti-US and stuff.

You mean like GG and Snowjob?

How delusional can you get?

336 Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2014 2:37:56pm

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

One I saw recently was Girls und Panzer. For a grognard like me it was a hoot.

Some nice music in it too.

337 Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2014 2:41:04pm

re: #336 Romantic Heretic

One I saw recently was Girls und Panzer. For a grognard like me it was a hoot.

Some nice music in it too.

Been meaning to check that out. Just like I only finally got around to checking out K-On! because a friend was talking incessantly about it. Nice if you like those “slice of life” sort of series.

338 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:42:07pm

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

They are libertarians. I mean the ones who luv them some Chavez, Putin or some other asshole, as long as that asshole seems to challenge the US.

339 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 2:42:24pm

Except that GG and Snowden aren’t really “lefties” in the literal sense of the word.

They tend to be opportunistic libertarians, as in this question:

“What drove Snowden to join this company and become a defector from the surveillance regime?”

“this company” meaning William Binney, Glenn Greenwald, Bradley Manning and Jacob Appelbaum.

And if the US is a “surveillance regime” in the sense that Russia is a surveillance regime, I’ll eat this computer.

340 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 2:43:58pm

re: #338 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

They are libertarians. I mean the ones who luv them some Chavez, Putin or some other asshole, as long as that asshole seems to challenge the US.

Yes, I clarified. But there’s a lot of GG & Snowden worship in that part of the left, too.

341 ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2014 2:45:57pm

Just a drive by reminder while waiting for some stripper to activate on my staircase for continuing stripping. One of these weeks I am going to get this damn staircase stripped!

Anyway, regarding the cartoon from the Indianapolis Star cartoonist. Always remember that for a long time in the early part of this century the KKK was headquartered in Indianapolis. The KKK called themselves ‘Christians’ too.

I have some friends that live in Indy. One calls the state the south’s middle finger to the north. Look at the map for things like red states and voting breakdown. What long narrow state is many times red between Illinois and Ohio? That would be that finger.

And yes. Ohio has it’s issues too. But we have never been the home of the Klan. And, I am sure the Klan hates this state due to three gentlemen named Grant, Sherman and Sheridan. Especially that bastard Sherman.

/

342 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 2:47:39pm

Fuck. This. Shit.

12-year-old boy shot by Cleveland police at Cudell recreation center on west side

newsnet5.com

Goddamnit, they’re shooting children?

343 BeachDem  Nov 22, 2014 2:51:38pm

re: #341 ObserverArt

Just a drive by reminder while waiting for some stripper to activate on my staircase for continuing stripping. One of these weeks I am going to get this damn staircase stripped!

And yes. Ohio has it’s issues too. But we have never been the home of the Klan. And, I am sure the Klan hates this state due to three gentlemen named Grant, Sherman and Sheridan. Especially that bastard Sherman.

/

When I started reading this (while waiting for some stripper to activate), I figured you were in for an interesting afternoon./

As to the Klan in Ohio, I always heard that Bellefontaine was a real hub of Klan activity. Heard it from people who grew up there—never verified it, though.

344 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:52:48pm

re: #342 Justanotherhuman

Circumstances around the shooting have not been confirmed by the Cleveland Division of Police, and it’s unclear whether the child was armed at the time the shooting took police.

345 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 2:55:32pm
Cleveland Police Union officials confirm to Fox 8 I-Team reporter Peggy Gallek that the shooting was officer-involved.

Union officials say that a call came in that a male had a gun. They say the officer acted responsibly and the boy had what appeared to be a gun.

The boy is reportedly in stable condition. The officer suffered a leg injury.

fox8.com

Hmmm.

346 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 22, 2014 2:57:49pm

re: #341 ObserverArt

Just a drive by reminder while waiting for some stripper to activate on my staircase for continuing stripping. One of these weeks I am going to get this damn staircase stripped!

/

Loading Stripper.exe….. Please insert 20 dollars to activate stripper

RBS

347 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 2:59:40pm

re: #343 BeachDem

When I started reading this (while waiting for some stripper to activate), I figured you were in for an interesting afternoon./

As to the Klan in Ohio, I always heard that Bellefontaine was a real hub of Klan activity. Heard it from people who grew up there—never verified it, though.

There are orgs like that all over the place. Just look at SPLC hate map. CA has the most, followed by FL TX and GA.

splcenter.org

When I lived in Philly in the early ’70s, there was a Nazi group headquartered in the back of a small corner neighborhood grocery store in the area of my house. Preyed on the local working class white youth for the most part.

348 BeachDem  Nov 22, 2014 3:01:11pm

re: #345 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

fox8.com

Hmmm.

This seems new to me— going to the police unions for comments, rather than the police chief/official. I’ve seen that a few times recently and it strikes me as odd. But, I guess that’s the “new journalism.”

349 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 3:02:33pm

re: #345 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“what appeared to be a gun”.

Just like that kid at the gas station who went into his car for his ID?

Also, it’s FN, so you’re supposed to assume that the officer with the “leg injury” was shot by the 12 yr old?

350 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 3:03:53pm

re: #349 Justanotherhuman

After all that shit I’m understandably skeptical about the police actions. Let’s wait for more info.

351 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 3:06:08pm

All right, did anyone keep the sheep?

Bighorn sheep escapes Los Angeles Zoo, later found in residential neighborhood - @ABC7
read more on abc7.com

352 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 22, 2014 3:07:00pm

re: #351 Justanotherhuman

Big horny sheep escapes…///

353 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 22, 2014 3:09:01pm

re: #352 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Big horny sheep escapes…///

looking for stripper…. Hilarity Ensues!!!!!

RBS

354 Lidane  Nov 22, 2014 3:22:14pm

So back in grad school I had an internship at a game studio. Made a few friends while there, and I keep up with them on FB. Today I find out that the woman who was the Community Manager at that studio is being followed by the GamerGate douchecanoes.

She’s a passionate gamer. She’s worked at several studios for years. She and her husband are always posting about tabletop and RPG games they play and run, game cons they attend and do panels for, etc. She’s an outspoken feminist and critic of the GamerGate douchebaggery towards women in gaming. She does a lot to raise awareness and try to push for inclusive gaming.

I totally get why GamerGate is going after her. You know, because it’s all about ethics in game journalism.

///////////////

355 Justanotherhuman  Nov 22, 2014 3:25:57pm

Another police shooting…

Police shoot and kill man in South Jordan [Utah]

sltrib.com


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