Rudy Giuliani: "White Police Officers Wouldn't Be There if You [Blacks] Weren't Killing Each Other"

Rudy Giuliani: “White Police Officers Wouldn’t Be There if You [Blacks] Weren’t Killing Each Other”

“The defensive mechanism of white supremacy”

WingnutsNovember 2014 • Views: 30,771

In response to a question from Chuck Todd about the overwhelming prevalence of white police officers in black communities, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani hauled out one of the right wing’s “but what about this?” non sequitur talking points — the counter-charge that most violence against blacks is committed by other blacks. Michael Eric Dyson calls it “the defensive mechanism of white supremacy,” and I have to agree. What Giuliani is saying here is that black communities have some special kind of savagery that can only be controlled by white police.

It’s a horrifyingly patronizing and racist view; “white supremacy” is no exaggeration.

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124 comments

Iwouldprefernotto Nov 23, 2014 1:06:32pm

Hard to understand how he didn’t get the nomination.

freetoken Nov 23, 2014 1:09:59pm

Re-messaging - Forward!

Targetpractice Nov 23, 2014 1:10:11pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Hard to understand how he didn’t get the nomination.

Noun verb 9/11.

HappyWarrior Nov 23, 2014 1:13:37pm

Gee Rudy. Condescend much asshole?

HappyWarrior Nov 23, 2014 1:14:51pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Hard to understand how he didn’t get the nomination.

Not “right” on the “right” issues.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 1:16:32pm

Fuck you, Rudy.

Too bad you weren’t indicted along with your asshole buddy, Kerik.

ObserverArt Nov 23, 2014 1:18:09pm

Giuliani let his freak flag fly.

And those that think like him will say, see that black sociology professor (socialist!) is being THE racist. And tomorrow America will awake and be the same as it was today.

It’s hard rolling that big rock up that really steep hill.

HappyWarrior Nov 23, 2014 1:18:39pm

No one blames “white culture” for corporate crime or mass murders but it’s somehow ok to do this to blacks.

Jenner7 Nov 23, 2014 1:23:24pm

Wow. My FB feed is filled with comments on the 12 year old killed by police, and not the good kind. Calling him stupid. Wondering what he was doing with a toy gun. (yeah, that’s amazing considering we are teaching 5 year old’s how to shoot REAL guns) Attacking his parents. Defending the officer so much to say that the cop will NEVER get over this. All the while, a 12 year old with a toy gun is shot dead because he was perceived as a threat to a cop.

Can this day get any more depressing?

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 1:25:14pm

re: #7 ObserverArt

Giuliani let his freak flag fly.

And those that think like him will say, see that black sociology professor (socialist!) is being THE racist. And tomorrow America will awake and be the same as it was today.

It’s hard rolling that big rock up that really steep hill.

Exactly. Just like white people wetting their pants back when MLK was marching or by any other part of the civil rights movement which “threatened” them.

Never mind that people were dying just trying to secure the same rights white Americans had. Remember Birmingham and other places where crimes were committed by LE against people of the United States.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 1:26:41pm

re: #9 Jenner7

Wow. My FB feed is filled with comments on the 12 year old killed by police, and not the good kind. Calling him stupid. Wondering what he was doing with a toy gun. (yeah, that’s amazing considering we are teaching 5 year old’s how to shoot REAL guns) Attacking his parents. Defending the officer so much to say that the cop will NEVER get over this. All the while, a 12 year old with a toy gun is shot dead because he was perceived as a threat to a cop.

Can this day get any more depressing?

Just wait!! Soon we’ll get to see Darren Wilson tell his lied of the story.

HappyWarrior Nov 23, 2014 1:27:23pm

re: #9 Jenner7

Wow. My FB feed is filled with comments on the 12 year old killed by police, and not the good kind. Calling him stupid. Wondering what he was doing with a toy gun. (yeah, that’s amazing considering we are teaching 5 year old’s how to shoot REAL guns) Attacking his parents. Defending the officer so much to say that the cop will NEVER get over this. All the while, a 12 year old with a toy gun is shot dead because he was perceived as a threat to a cop.

Can this day get any more depressing?

Typical. Fucking typical. Blame the victim and defend the cop at all costs. So sick of that sub-section of our country yet they’re the same ones who believe Obama wants to repress them.

TFinSF Nov 23, 2014 1:32:01pm

93% of blacks are killed by other blacks.

Um, what? Most blacks die of natural causes, not homicide, moron. This is your brain on Republican, apparently.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 1:33:11pm

I hope the life of Tamir Rice costs the Cleveland Police Dept their next year’s budget.

Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 23, 2014 1:35:54pm

I see WW is back! :)

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 1:39:03pm

re: #15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I see WW is back! :)

She popped in a couple of nights ago and the lizardworld rejoiced!
Hopefully, she’ll be back in the comfort and healing of her own home with the furbabies any day now.

andres Nov 23, 2014 1:40:05pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

She popped in a couple of nights ago and the lizardworld rejoiced!
Hopefully, she’ll be back in the comfort and healing of her own home with the furbabies any day now.

That’s great news!

Bubblehead II Nov 23, 2014 1:41:03pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

She popped in a couple of nights ago and the lizardworld rejoiced!
Hopefully, she’ll be back in the comfort and healing of her own home with the furbabies any day now.

Something happen to WW?

PhillyPretzel Nov 23, 2014 1:41:36pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was very happy to see her in a thread. And there are a few other Lizards like Gus that I miss.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 1:42:39pm

Look what they’re selling kids this year.

Think Progress has a good story on the Tamir Rice killing.

thinkprogress.org

“Deputy Chief Ed Tomba explained at a press conference that there was no verbal confrontation; the boy did not threaten the police officers nor point the gun at them. They only learned afterward that the gun was fake — a BB gun with the orange safety marker scratched off. Both officers, one of whom is a rookie in his first year on the force, have been placed on administrative leave, according to protocol.

“This is hardly the first shooting related to a toy or fake gun. In August, 22-year-old John Crawford of Beavercreek, Ohio, was shot dead by police inside a Wal-Mart for carrying a BB gun that is made to look like a more deadly weapon and is actually sold by Wal-Mart. (my emphasis)

“Back in July of 2013, 13-year-old Andy Lopez was fatally shot when police similarly mistook his BB gun for an assault rifle. Officer Erick Gelhaus waited no more than 10 seconds for Lopez to put the gun down before firing seven shots at point-blank range. The gun, like in the Cleveland case, was missing an orange plastic plug that is supposed to help identify it as a toy. After the shooting was investigated, Gelhaus did not face any criminal charges.” More

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 1:45:13pm

re: #18 Bubblehead II

Something happen to WW?

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 1:45:55pm

re: #18 Bubblehead II

Something happen to WW?

Yes, what have we missed? I hope she’s OK.

PhillyPretzel Nov 23, 2014 1:46:20pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

Welcome Back WW. I hope you get better very soon. :)

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 1:46:34pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

Oh hell. I hope nothing was broken. Are you OK?

bill d Nov 23, 2014 1:46:39pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

Updinging because it is good to see you not because you were hit by a car.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 1:46:46pm

NEW: 12 y/o Tamir Rice, shot & killed by CLE Police after allegedly brandishing a pellet gun Saturday night - @TVTye pic.twitter.com/SNIDzlld3v

— G.Alexander(BRKNEWS) (@MajorNews911) November 23, 2014

I’m not going to add any snark. He was a child.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 1:47:25pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

How are you feeling? So glad to see you here.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 1:47:40pm

re: #18 Bubblehead II

Something happen to WW?

Yes, she was hit by a vehicle while she was in a crosswalk at lunchtime. It was very touch and go.
Seriously.

Shiplord Kirel Nov 23, 2014 1:47:45pm

re: #9 Jenner7

Wow. My FB feed is filled with comments on the 12 year old killed by police, and not the good kind. Calling him stupid. Wondering what he was doing with a toy gun. (yeah, that’s amazing considering we are teaching 5 year old’s how to shoot REAL guns) Attacking his parents. Defending the officer so much to say that the cop will NEVER get over this. All the while, a 12 year old with a toy gun is shot dead because he was perceived as a threat to a cop.

Can this day get any more depressing?

It hasn’t always gone so badly.
Of course, that happened in 1980 and things appear to have changed. I do know that “kid with toy gun” is a very common situation for police officers and they should absolutely be aware of the possibility. It’s about a hundred times as likely as “kid with real gun.” The cops were either flatworm stupid or they did not want to pass up an opportunity to shoot.

goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 1:48:15pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

Fuck! Hope you get well soon, and that the driver’s insurance covers everything and then some.

You got somebody minding your shop?

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 1:48:36pm

Flatworm stupid. A keeper.

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 1:50:07pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

Oh hell. I hope nothing was broken. Are you OK?

My IQ seems to have been lowered a few points. And my hair has been shortened.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 1:50:24pm

re: #26 #FergusonFireside

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I’m not going to add any snark. He was a child.

“brandishing”

smh…

HappyWarrior Nov 23, 2014 1:50:44pm

That new story hits close to home. I coach kids around the same age in basketball. There was no reason to use force at all. And now another family weeps another murdered child.

Bubblehead II Nov 23, 2014 1:50:59pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

OUCH! Nothing to serious I hope?

Bubblehead II Nov 23, 2014 1:52:14pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, she was hit by a vehicle while she was in a crosswalk at lunchtime. It was very touch and go.
Seriously.

Damn.

{{{WW}}}

andres Nov 23, 2014 1:52:16pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

Dang. {{WW}} Have a well and quick recovery.

HappyWarrior Nov 23, 2014 1:53:55pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

Dang scary stuff. Glad you are okay.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 1:54:02pm

Ah, needed levity.

Colbert: “My grandfather didn't come to this country from Ireland to see it overrun by immigrants. He came here because he killed a guy.”
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) November 23, 2014

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 1:54:51pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

My IQ seems to have been lowered a few points. And my hair has been shortened.

Step by step.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 1:55:04pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

Really, so thankful that there were bystanders who went into action immediately when moments counted, and the first responders who were so great at their jobs, and the medical professionals every step of the way who brought you back to us and yours.
Like I said the other night, take your time and heal. The world will still be here and so will all of us.
More {{hugs}}.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 1:55:06pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

My IQ seems to have been lowered a few points. And my hair has been shortened.

No permanent damage? Don’t let the auto ins co low-ball you, either. Keep track of your lost wages/profits, medical bills, and demand at least 3X the amount, for pain and suffering, unless you have suffered some type of permanent damage, which would change things considerably. Get a lawyer if they balk.

At any rate, I hope you are doing well and you will be in my thoughts. : )

HappyWarrior Nov 23, 2014 1:55:54pm

re: #39 #FergusonFireside

Ah, needed levity.

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Man I’m gonna miss him when he has to be more straight man to replace Dave.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 1:56:31pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

My IQ seems to have been lowered a few points. And my hair has been shortened.

Blame all that on the wingnuts…
Just remember, lizards always win in the end.

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 1:56:43pm

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

Fuck! Hope you get well soon, and that the driver’s insurance covers everything and then some.

You got somebody minding your shop?

Driver was not arrested but Obamacare seems to be covering the essentials, with the boyfriend (and the small town) minding the shop. I get my freedom from the alarmed beds and chairs on Tuesday. Looking forward to that.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 1:59:09pm

re: #39 #FergusonFireside

Ah, needed levity.

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Levity at first look, but one of my great-grandfathers, an uncle or two, and some friends of theirs came here from Ireland via Canada exactly that way and for exactly that reason…

Indy GOP Refugee Nov 23, 2014 1:59:59pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

I think that resilient brain of yours will be sharp as ever as you heal. Great to see you here.

Decatur Deb Nov 23, 2014 2:00:31pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

I was hit by a car (as a pedestrian) about a month ago.

Kind of glad I missed all that.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 2:02:27pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Driver was not arrested but Obamacare seems to be covering the essentials, with the boyfriend (and the small town) minding the shop. I get my freedom from the alarmed beds and chairs on Tuesday. Looking forward to that.

I don’t know how the auto ins laws work in OH, but the driver’s liability ins should pay for your injuries, not ACA. His ins co should be notified.

Surprised that he wasn’t arrested since you were in a crosswalk and actually had the right of way as a pedestrian.

Shiplord Kirel Nov 23, 2014 2:02:55pm

re: #39 #FergusonFireside

Ah, needed levity.

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I hope to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, and not screaming in terror like his passengers.

(Can’t remember where I stole that)

Belafon Nov 23, 2014 2:03:42pm

So, the logical conclusion of Giuliani’s statement is that white neighborhoods need to be filled with black cops since most violence against whites is caused by other whites.

He would agree to that, right?

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:04:04pm

re: #42 Justanotherhuman

No permanent damage? Don’t let the auto ins co low-ball you, either. Keep track of your lost wages/profits, medical bills, and demand at least 3X the amount, for pain and suffering, unless you have suffered some type of permanent damage, which would change things considerably. Get a lawyer if they balk.

At any rate, I hope you are doing well and you will be in my thoughts. : )

I had a nurse suggesting ‘Forgive and Forget’, which is not my style, but I have definitely been lucky in many ways.

Varek Raith Nov 23, 2014 2:05:11pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

YO!

How’s the food?

/:P

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:06:29pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

Kind of glad I missed all that.

I don’t remember it myself, but I’ve read the old news reports.

Kragar Nov 23, 2014 2:07:21pm

Lindsey Graham Won't Accept New Benghazi Report: It's 'Full Of Crap' @TPM http://t.co/maXPYc4nwn
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 23, 2014

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:07:49pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

YO!

How’s the food?

/:P

It’s good!

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:08:06pm

re: #55 Kragar

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When is comes to “full of crap” Mz Lindsey is an expert.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:08:08pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

I had a nurse suggesting ‘Forgive and Forget’, which is not my style, but I have definitely been lucky in many ways.

I don’t think that is good advice.

goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 2:08:12pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

I had a nurse suggesting ‘Forgive and Forget’, which is not my style, but I have definitely been lucky in many ways.

LOL, yeah no. “Get paid and then maybe consider not punching them repeatedly in the dick,” sounds more reasonable.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:08:50pm

Space Jesus has his first pro bono case.

Varek Raith Nov 23, 2014 2:09:06pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

It’s good!

Being silly is the best form of medicine.
Or something.
:)

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 2:09:49pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

I had a nurse suggesting ‘Forgive and Forget’, which is not my style, but I have definitely been lucky in many ways.

That’s all very well and good, as well as easy for her to say, but it was a traumatic experience for you with injuries, and that’s why drivers have liability ins. It’s to pay for those very things I mentioned.

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:10:02pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

LOL, yeah no. “Get paid and then maybe consider not punching them repeatedly in the dick,” sounds more reasonable.

When I started to “come to”, I made many ‘jokes’ about punching someone.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:11:10pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

When I started to “come to”, I made many ‘jokes’ about punching someone.

I bet you have some “roomie” stories.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:12:11pm

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

That’s all very well and good, as well as easy for her to say, but it was a traumatic experience for you with injuries, and that’s why drivers have liability ins. It’s to pay for those very things I mentioned.

You assume that the other driver had liability insurance enough to cover what happened to WW.
Trust me, it was NOT enough, not even to begin for the medical expenses.

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:13:35pm

Two weeks later, an ex-cop was hit, and the person who did it was arrested right away. He has not recovered as much.

ObserverArt Nov 23, 2014 2:15:54pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

My IQ seems to have been lowered a few points. And my hair has been shortened.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune WW. Glad to see you are recovering from such a nasty accident. Heal well!

And by the way, I hope Obdi is doing okay too. Hearing about WW reminds me of his accident and recovery too. Hope you are doing well Obdi!

wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:16:04pm

re: #64 #FergusonFireside

I bet you have some “roomie” stories.

I’m still using their internet. Stories coming.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:17:07pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

I’m still using their internet. Stories coming.

ha!

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:17:50pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

I’m still using their internet. Stories coming.

I read the news stories about the accident and, really folks, it’s amazing that WW survived this, much less being able to come back and chat with us.

goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 2:18:47pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

You assume that the other driver had liability insurance enough to cover what happened to WW.
Trust me, it was NOT enough, not even to begin for the medical expenses.

I’m sure. Just looked it up, minimum car insurance bodily injury coverage in New Mexico is $25K for one person. Amazingly that’s $10K more than California. So fucked, wouldn’t be surprised if actual costs here total more than 20x the car insurance payout.

Varek Raith Nov 23, 2014 2:18:57pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

Get well soon.
The bikes need you!
:)

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:20:31pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

Exactly! That kind of payout will barely pay for a simple surgery for a broken limb.

andres Nov 23, 2014 2:21:30pm

Sorry for going OT.

I read Neil Gaiman’s interview and speech on the importance of keeping libraries open this morning, and something was nagging me since.

I finally found what was nagging me.

It’s a huge contrast, and one that makes me ponder: What’s the difference between Gaiman, and Love (and Ryan and Abbott and Santorum and many Republicans and Libertarians)?

Humility. Humility to accept publicly that they couldn’t have reach where they are today without the help of others. Humility to see the ongoing need for the services they once enjoyed. Humility to extend the same help to others so they can also reach their dreams.

It’s jarring how Republicans and Libertarians¹ preach about pulling themselves by the bootstraps, and yet refuse vehemently to provide the necessary bootstraps for people just like them to earn a better life. Worst, they rail against the very institutions that helped them reach their current lives.

We need to become passionate about these institutions, if we are to keep them for generations to come. Passionate with vision of tomorrow.

Sorry for the rant.
___________
_{1. Is there a difference between these two knuckle dragging ideologies?}

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:21:43pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

I’m sure. Just looked it up, minimum car insurance bodily injury coverage in New Mexico is $25K for one person. Amazingly that’s $10K more than California. So fucked, wouldn’t be surprised if actual costs here total more than 20x the car insurance payout.

And I’m sure I have the minimum required. Gah our system.

Feline Fearless Leader Nov 23, 2014 2:22:32pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

She popped in a couple of nights ago and the lizardworld rejoiced!
Hopefully, she’ll be back in the comfort and healing of her own home with the furbabies any day now.

FURBABIES??!??

The Vicious Fergushka Nov 23, 2014 2:23:22pm

I made Sourdough Italian Bread and Butternut Squash Soup to wash it down with.

Sourdough Italian Bread @KosherSoul @JihadiJew pic.twitter.com/L9Ws2odTpv
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) November 23, 2014

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:24:35pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

I made Sourdough Italian Bread and Butternut Squash Soup to wash it down with.

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Oh yum. They look beautiful.

I’ve been basically carbo free for about a month. Am going to go big soon.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:24:37pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly! That kind of payout will barely pay for a simple surgery for a broken limb.

And throw in a medical emergency helicopter…the liability insurance gets eaten up right there.

goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 2:25:02pm

re: #75 #FergusonFireside

And I’m sure I have the minimum required. Gah our system.

Do you have AAA? If you’re a member it’s worth going in and seeing if can increase your coverage while maintaining more or less the same premium. I was surprised how much better their overall rating and service is.

goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 2:26:45pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

And throw in a medical emergency helicopter…the liability insurance gets eaten up right there.

I’m sure the local Church will fix all the gaps in our social safety net with a bake sale, right?

Bubblehead II Nov 23, 2014 2:26:47pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

I’m still using their internet. Stories coming.

They’ll probably charge you the proverbial arm and leg for that as well.

Forgive, but do not forget. Yes, you screwed up and I forgive you. BUT! you still have to pay for what you did.

Get a lawyer. Let him/her deal with the insurance company. DON’T try to deal with them yourself. Lawhawk will back me on this I’m sure.

And this goes back to the second. Payback. Take him and his insurance for every cent you can get.

Yeh, I can be a vindictive bastard

Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 23, 2014 2:28:07pm

re: #26 #FergusonFireside

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I’m not going to add any snark. He was a child.

No snark - I’m sure Chuck is furiously digging for dirt, being the pig he is.

Jenner7 Nov 23, 2014 2:28:20pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Oh my, that looks so delicious…..

Indy GOP Refugee Nov 23, 2014 2:28:24pm

WW-Different time and place but D_L and I had the experience of getting rear ended hard at a stop sign. That’s about as clear a line of liability as you get (like getting hit in a crosswalk). D_L was much more hurt than I though not a trauma center thing.

We got the medical bills all pushed out as a lien on future settlement. That took a lot off our heads. WW I hope you can get something that goes to the responsible parties insurance first and does not pressure you.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:29:35pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

Do you have AAA? If you’re a member it’s worth going in and seeing if can increase your coverage while maintaining more or less the same premium. I was surprised how much better their overall rating and service is.

No, I have Ford roadside. Same as AAA. Yah, should shop insurance again. But I like Maxwell a lot. (boots and pants and boots and pants)

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:31:16pm

re: #83 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

No snark - I’m sure Chuck is furiously digging for dirt, being the pig he is.

You look at that photo and it’s probably his first selfie. Taken in class or something.

Wasn’t he at an after school thingy as well??? Gah, so freaking wrong.

goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 2:31:19pm

re: #78 #FergusonFireside

Oh yum. They look beautiful.

I’ve been basically carbo free for about a month. Am going to go big soon.

I’ve officially lost 45 lbs now just counting calories. I’m limiting sugary foods and other carbs just because they add up fast. Not convinced that carbs in general are the problem, my theory is you can’t beat thermodynamics, that it’s a budget problem, energy in vs. energy burned.

Of course I’m losing weight more slowly now, so I’m going to have to change up my game plan to meet my end goal.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 2:32:44pm

It’s worth it to pay a little extra on your auto ins for uninsured and underinsured coverage.

I have that and also $50K for bodily injuries. So far, I’ve never hurt anyone.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:32:51pm

re: #85 Indy GOP Refugee

WW’s incident definitely ended up trauma center.
Which was a much better place than it would have been without local bystanders jumping into action until first responders showed up.

Dave In Austin Nov 23, 2014 2:34:31pm

re: #55 Kragar

Because Reasons..

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:34:58pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, cutting carbs was the easiest way for me to go, so I can eat a ton more veggies to fill up and not go over the calorie count. It’s a freaking battle. I’ve plateaued of course, 10 more to skinny jeans. Probably not going to happen, because by now I’m fed up.

Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 23, 2014 2:35:15pm

First Obdi, now {{WW}}. Reminds one of how fucking fragile all this is.

#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:35:46pm

re: #92 #FergusonFireside

Yeah, cutting carbs was the easiest way for me to go, so I can eat a ton more veggies to fill up and not go over the calorie count. It’s a freaking battle. I’ve plateaued of course, 10 more to skinny jeans. Probably not going to happen, because by now I’m fed up.

Or not fed up actually.

The Vicious Fergushka Nov 23, 2014 2:36:10pm

After 30 years I have finally started to use my slow-cooker for something other than cholent.

I work late sometimes and the stay-at-home retired old man doesn’t really know how to make anything that’s not on a grill.

Tomorrow: Jamaican Jerk Chicken Wings

Indy GOP Refugee Nov 23, 2014 2:36:21pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had seen that, just keeping it low key online.

Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 2:37:35pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

After 30 years I have finally started to use my slow-cooker for something other than cholent.

I work late sometimes and the stay-at-home retired old man doesn’t really know how to make anything that’s not on a grill.

Tomorrow: Jamaican Jerk Chicken Wings

Cholent would have to be pareve for me. : ) Love all the beans.

BlueGrl21 Nov 23, 2014 2:38:08pm

I want to talk data, please. Racial disclaimer: I am white. Proof of non-racism: husband is a basketball coach in a predominantly black area of a major city. His players are at our house 24/7, as are their families. These boys, every single one, are sons to me. And I am so scared for them. For their families. I love them, simply and purely. I see race because I need to. It matters. I have to accept these players are at more risk due to the color of their skin than my own two sons.

This is the reality of the data. Violent crime is much higher in black communities. We have to face that before we can work with those communities to help in the way THEY ask us to. It’s not for white people to say what is best for the black community. It’s damn offensive, actually.

Now, increasing police forces. When there are more cops there is less PROPERTY crime. But it has NO impact on violent crime because violent crime is a PRIVATE crime. So, what police can control is property crime or they can arrest perpetrators of violent crime after they’ve already happened.

Neither of these things will prevent violence. You know what does? The biggest impact we can put in place? Much more important than cops or the war on drugs? More than economic disparity? The #1 factor?

Getting rid of goddamn guns.

So, if people are truly concerned about the black community, or any community, pass fucking gun control. Reduce the number of guns. That’s the most important thing we can do.

Blacks overwhelmingly favor gun control. Who does not? Conservative white men. Are they willing to help the black community heal itself? Fuck no.

Rudy can kiss my ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:38:43pm

re: #96 Indy GOP Refugee

I had seen that, just keeping it low key online.

yeah…I’m just stunned that some folks are thinking that the driver’s liability insurance would cover everything.
This really should be a wakeup call to real life incidents.

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#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:40:53pm

WW are you deep into I Can Haz Cheezburger right now?

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Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 2:42:29pm

I think everyone around here is in too much of a hurry. And are bad, bad drivers.

Don’t know how many times lately someone has pulled right out in front of me (even when no one is behind me in traffic).

Last week I was nearing my g-grandson’s school, and a behemoth pickup truck didn’t look past the 2 cars in the turn lane for the Advance store, and pulled out right in front of me (I was traveling under the speed limit of 50). I had to slam on brakes, literally to the floor, which caused my car to turn sideways into the turning lane and the smell of “rubber” was all over the place. Luckily there was no one else going into the Advance store.

I recovered quickly enough to get going again, but my hands were still shaking when I got to g-grandson’s classroom.

For a couple of seconds, though, I really thought I was going to slam into him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:47:34pm

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

And just be aware that the other driver’s vehicle liability insurance isn’t going to come anywhere near close to covering the medical expenses if you and/or yours are seriously injured.

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wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:49:19pm

re: #100 #FergusonFireside

WW are you deep into I Can Haz Cheezburger right now?

Reading it— yes. A lady here gave me a stuffed monkey, which I told her I would not name until it met my stuffed cat. She understood.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 2:49:56pm

re: #92 #FergusonFireside

Yeah, cutting carbs was the easiest way for me to go, so I can eat a ton more veggies to fill up and not go over the calorie count. It’s a freaking battle. I’ve plateaued of course, 10 more to skinny jeans. Probably not going to happen, because by now I’m fed up.

There’s something to be said for protein and fat. My Dad was in the hospital last week for a small bowel obstruction, because he eats these fucking ridiculously ginormous salads every night and the constant onslaught of leafy bulk literally blocked his shit up, causing debilitating pain. He has some scar tissue from a previous frontal entry back surgery that apparently created adhesions. He’s fine now, cleared itself after a few days of rest in the hospital, so the whole episode is kind of funny in hindsight. Who knew salads could fuck you up that bad?

Right now I live for oven roasted chicken quarters and cottage cheese with some tomatoes. BBQing a bone in leg of lamb for Thanksgiving, with greek dressing and feta. Might splurge and do baked potatoes.

Turkey is for lepers.

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Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 2:50:01pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

And just be aware that the other driver’s vehicle liability insurance isn’t going to come anywhere near close to covering the medical expenses if you and/or yours are seriously injured.

I’m just thankful I still have world-class reflexes. : )

I wasn’t ready to die just yet. And was so glad my boy wasn’t in the car, too.

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wrenchwench Nov 23, 2014 2:54:13pm

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 2:55:02pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

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Bubblehead II Nov 23, 2014 2:56:53pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

Want to arm wrestle? :-)

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Varek Raith Nov 23, 2014 2:56:57pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

Take this +1 crown.
;)

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goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 2:57:41pm

Claes Tvingvall of the Swedish Road Administration commissioned this work by Karl Jilg, to illustrate how much space modern society has surrendered to cars.

From a pedestrian’s POV.

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#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 2:57:50pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

Freedom coming. Tuesday, right?

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Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 2:58:33pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

Huzzah!

(I’m always amazed at how unhealthy looking so many in the health care field look.)

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Indy GOP Refugee Nov 23, 2014 2:59:00pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah…I’m just stunned that some folks are thinking that the driver’s liability insurance would cover everything.
This really should be a wakeup call to real life incidents.

You realize I said what I did in a hopeful intent, not a forecast ? ;-)
Dunno what their limits were or any details at all apart from those sketchy brief news reports. It’s a real reminder how tough things can get in a split second.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 23, 2014 3:00:12pm

re: #113 Indy GOP Refugee

You realize I said what I did in a hopeful intent, not a forecast ? ;-)
Dunno what their limits were or any details at all apart from those sketchy brief news reports. It’s a real reminder how tough things can get in a split second.

Yes, I did. I was just being unfortunately realistic pointing out that other scenario.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 23, 2014 3:01:37pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

Punch them in the dick and claim the crown.

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ObserverArt Nov 23, 2014 3:01:46pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I am the healthiest goddamned person in this nursing home, staff included ,except one or two.

That’s what we want to hear!!!

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Justanotherhuman Nov 23, 2014 3:05:22pm

Really, doc?

facebook.com

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#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 3:09:39pm

RT @fcmalby: Surveillance cameras observe a fox exploring the National Portrait Gallery at night pic.twitter.com/Bin498ab6l via @Soniasuponia

— Peggy Riley (@Peggy_Riley) November 23, 2014

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Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 23, 2014 3:10:17pm

re: #118 #FergusonFireside

[Embedded content]

What did it say?

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#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 3:14:20pm

re: #119 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

What did it say?

@Peggy_Riley @MichelleVista @fcmalby @Soniasuponia he is looking for the pic with the hens in it
— NaphiSoc (@NaphiSoc) November 23, 2014

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#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 3:14:50pm

re: #119 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

What did it say?

Now I have an earworm. Gracias.

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#FergusonFireside Nov 23, 2014 3:15:01pm

Going up.

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Swift2991 Nov 24, 2014 4:05:11pm

How about he studies the growth of the Italian, Jewish and Irish mobs in the impoverished immigrant communities of, say, New York? Ask Mr. Giuliani if he ever grew up in one of those neighborhoods. Most of the people there, where they Mafiosi? No, they weren’t. Were there youth gangs? You bet. Juvenile delinquents, Officer Krupke.

Now, go to the ’70s. In the black neighborhoods, what was different? As Geoffrey Canada has written about, what was different was white flight, the loss of jobs in the city, the appearance of illegal drugs, the Rockefeller drug laws, and suddenly, instead of gangs fighting with fists, stones and clubs, suddenly everybody had guns. Not zip guns, which were inaccurate, fired one shot, and had a limited range, but real guns, plentiful as though they bought them from ice cream trucks, which they sometimes did.

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Michael McBacon Nov 25, 2014 10:23:55am

Guiliani has proven himself to be not just a classical racist but an idiot.

Something I have wondered for a long time: When were Italians accepted as “white” in American society? I’m 1/4 Italian by the way.

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