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1 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 5:23:17pm

Not verified, but someone just posted this.

CNN is reporting that the NYT was told Wilson was not told to turn himself in as of 2 hours ago.

Not that I’d be surprised.

2 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 5:24:47pm

Regardless of the decision (and ya’ll know what we expect), I feel the need to go to my sister’s and hug the hell out of my 16 year old nephew! And then head to my cousin’s house to hold on tight to my 2 godsons (18 & 14)

I also see the family of Mike Brown has asked for a 4.5 second moment of silence after the decision is read, no matter the outcome.

What’s galling is once again, all this is just so that Mike Brown’s killer has to stand trial. Not even a conviction, just a darn trial!

3 krypto  Nov 24, 2014 5:25:16pm

re: #1 Unabogie

That CNN reported this is certainly verified. I just heard it on CNN a few minutes ago.

4 #FergusonFireside  Nov 24, 2014 5:26:04pm
5 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:26:07pm
6 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 5:26:42pm

re: #3 krypto

Like I said, the writing has been on the wall for weeks. This prosecutor didn’t want an indictment so he did what he had to do to ensure he didn’t get one.

7 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 5:27:14pm
8 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:27:44pm
9 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 5:27:58pm
10 Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2014 5:28:27pm

re: #4 #FergusonFireside

West coast news stations are ecstatic that this is all going to break during the 6 p.m. news hour. Ratings are going to go through the roof.

11 #FergusonFireside  Nov 24, 2014 5:28:47pm
12 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:28:58pm

Except…

St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay says violence will not be tolerated; says they may allow demonstrators to slow down traffic, will not allow ‘them to hurt anyone or their property’ - live video
end of alert

13 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 5:29:10pm

Charles, Darren Wilson’s name is spelled wrong in the post.

14 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:29:47pm

Looks like Anonymous is making a big showing out there. I have a bad feeling about this.

15 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:29:49pm
16 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 5:30:40pm

What’s the reasoning behind announcing the decision after dark?

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:30:54pm

re: #6 Unabogie

Like I said, the writing has been on the wall for weeks. This prosecutor didn’t want an indictment so he did what he had to do to ensure he didn’t get one.

I’d live with Wilson walking if the feds could bring charges against that evil ****** prosecutor.

18 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:31:00pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

Thanks, fixed already.

19 Snarknado!  Nov 24, 2014 5:31:40pm

I just hope the Ferguson Police take the appeals for calm to heart — I’m tired of seeing police riots blamed on demonstrators.

20 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 5:31:45pm

re: #16 jaunte

What’s the reasoning behnd announcing the decision after dark?

Intimidation

21 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 24, 2014 5:31:52pm

re: #16 jaunte

What’s the reasoning behnd announcing the decision after dark?

The cops have night vision goggles?

22 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:32:21pm
23 Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2014 5:32:46pm

re: #16 jaunte

What’s the reasoning behnd announcing the decision after dark?

Maximum confusion.

24 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 5:33:06pm
25 #FergusonFireside  Nov 24, 2014 5:33:36pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

Dude, your trolling of this issue isn’t really appreciated.

I guess its a thrill for you, but.

26 Decatur Deb  Nov 24, 2014 5:33:43pm

re: #16 jaunte

What’s the reasoning behind announcing the decision after dark?

“Stars, hide your fires, Let not light see my black and deep desires.” (Macbeth, Act 1, Scene 4)

27 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 5:33:44pm

What’s going to happen when you tell hundreds of people to get on the sidewalk?? Jesus, the police are going to get someone killed.

28 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 5:33:59pm
29 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 5:34:19pm

I can only think of a few other times in my life where I was genuinely nervous for a city. L.A. when I was a little kid, Oklahoma City a few years later, New York City in the fall of 2001, and now Greater St. Louis.

Does anybody else get that nagging feeling that outside instigators are going to really fuck shit up in North St. Louis County?

30 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:34:30pm
31 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 5:35:07pm

Why THE FUCK are they announcing this in the middle of the night?

32 Zamb  Nov 24, 2014 5:35:29pm

re: #28 jaunte

That’s generally true of most large crowds.

33 Decatur Deb  Nov 24, 2014 5:35:37pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

…snip
Does anybody else get that nagging feeling that outside instigators are going to really fuck shit up in North St. Louis County?

Inside instigators really hate that.

34 Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2014 5:35:40pm

re: #31 Viscous Obama

I’ll be surprised if somebody doesn’t get killed there tonight.

35 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:35:50pm

More anonymous protesters?

36 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:35:51pm

re: #16 jaunte

What’s the reasoning behnd announcing the decision after dark?

Incitement to riot & justifiable homicide while under color of authority.

37 rhuarc  Nov 24, 2014 5:35:56pm

This might be appropriate in about 25 minutes. From a different era, but mostly applies. :)

38 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:36:34pm

re: #31 Viscous Obama

Why THE FUCK are they announcing this in the middle of the night?

I asked that earlier. Tomorrow morning would have been better.

39 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 24, 2014 5:36:47pm

Watching the FAA for NOTAM

pilotweb.nas.faa.gov

40 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:37:06pm
41 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 5:37:06pm

I hope this ends Governor Nixon’s political career. Talk about failing your constituents.

42 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 5:37:11pm
43 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:37:32pm

re: #27 Jenner7

Yes, they hope so.

44 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 5:38:16pm

re: #31 Viscous Obama

Why THE FUCK are they announcing this in the middle of the night?

So they can fuck with the protestors more efficiently.

45 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 5:38:51pm

re: #31 Viscous Obama

Why THE FUCK are they announcing this in the middle of the night?

It’s dark, it’s cold, it’s a hassle for ordinary people. I had an inkling that the St. Louis County Prosecutors Office were waiting for a snow storm or a below zero cold snap.

The current temperature in Ferguson:

46 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 5:39:00pm
47 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:39:26pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

I can only think of a few other times in my life where I was genuinely nervous for a city. L.A. when I was a little kid, Oklahoma City a few years later, New York City in the fall of 2001, and now Greater St. Louis.

Does anybody else get that nagging feeling that outside instigators are going to really fuck shit up in North St. Louis County?< /blockquote>

That’s the issue. The locals who are protesting aren’t the problem, it’s the instigators who are out-of-towners.

48 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:39:26pm

Oh man. The crowd’s getting large out there at the Ferguson PD.

49 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 24, 2014 5:39:28pm

I’m going to bake a loaf of bread tonight, I need something that is good, and I don’t see anything good happening tonight. I’m trying something new, it will either be good, or it will be food for the ducks in the pond.

Later…

RBS

50 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 24, 2014 5:39:54pm

JFK/Moon landing/9-11 moment?

God I hope not.

51 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:40:20pm

re: #46 psddluva4evah

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They’re not important enough; it’s just their child who was killed.

52 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:42:20pm
53 lawhawk  Nov 24, 2014 5:42:57pm

re: #31 Viscous Obama

Why THE FUCK are they announcing this in the middle of the night?

Because just like everything else, the FPD can’t even do a grand jury announcement right.

They’ve botched a routine jaywalking incident. Botched the investigation of an officer involved shooting. Mishandled a grand jury indictment.

And now mishandling the announcement of whatever they’ve come up with.

All for maximum effect with a police department that has blood on its hands - and has a reckless disregard for the civil liberties of peaceful protesters.

I have no doubt that if there is violence, it will be blown out of proportion by the media and police - who will be itching to volley tear gas at them for displaying any anger for being upset at the justice system failing them again.

And all within a few miles of where Dred Scott met his match with a racist justice system. The more things change.

54 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 24, 2014 5:43:13pm

FUCKING MORONS

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:44:01pm

re: #31 Viscous Obama

Why THE FUCK are they announcing this in the middle of the night?

To cause as much evil as they possibly can.

That’s what Occam’s razor says …

56 withak  Nov 24, 2014 5:44:08pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

FUCKING MORONS

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Morons, or astroturfers?

57 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 24, 2014 5:44:18pm

The Guy Fawkes masks are sooooo not needed out there.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:44:30pm
59 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:44:41pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

Inside instigators will do far more evil tonight.

60 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:44:53pm
61 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:45:32pm

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Mahatma Gandhi

62 Decatur Deb  Nov 24, 2014 5:45:47pm

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

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Those are smoke/gas canister projectors on its roof. Note they are not the same camo scheme as the HMMWV.

63 Egregious Philbin  Nov 24, 2014 5:45:53pm

re: #53 lawhawk

Because just like everything else, the FPD can’t even do a grand jury announcement right.

They’ve botched a routine jaywalking incident. Botched the investigation of an officer involved shooting. Mishandled a grand jury indictment.

And now mishandling the announcement of whatever they’ve come up with.

All for maximum effect with a police department that has blood on its hands - and has a reckless disregard for the civil liberties of peaceful protesters.

I have no doubt that if there is violence, it will be blown out of proportion by the media and police - who will be itching to volley tear gas at them for displaying any anger for being upset at the justice system failing them again.

And all within a few miles of where Dred Scott met his match with a racist justice system. The more things change.

Because, they fucked every bit of this up, why not continue? Amazing…they are inviting nastiness.

64 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:46:37pm

re: #57 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

The Guy Fawkes masks are sooooo not needed out there.

It’s the only way some of those jokers can be recognized, doncha know.

65 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 5:46:40pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah, it’s Obama, not the, you know, RACISTS. smh

66 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:47:29pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Those are smoke/gas canister projectors on its roof. note they are not the same camo scheme as the HMMWV.

Good catch!

67 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 24, 2014 5:47:51pm

Bad feelings right now…

68 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:47:53pm

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

I asked that earlier. Tomorrow morning would have been better.

Objection: You are presuming facts not in evidence: that the authorities care about justice.

69 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 5:48:01pm

I’m now half expecting Wilson to be indicted just because Gateway Pundit said he wasn’t.
/

70 Dr. Matt  Nov 24, 2014 5:48:29pm

Waiting until 8 pm local time makes zero fucking sense. This whole thing stinks of high heaven.

71 Zamb  Nov 24, 2014 5:48:47pm

re: #57 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

The Guy Fawkes masks are sooooo not needed out there.

They want a revolution, not justice.

72 OhNoZombies!  Nov 24, 2014 5:49:02pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

FUCKING MORONS

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How dare he forget his place and get elected president twice, causing those poor white folks trouble.
O_o

73 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:49:12pm

Editor’s note: The Washington Post reports the U.S. Justice Department has two opportunities to bring criminal charges and overhaul the Ferguson, Mo., police department. In September, Attorney General Eric Holder launched an investigation to examine if officers routinely engaged in racial profiling or showed a pattern of excessive force. There is also a civil rights investigation into the shooting of Michael Brown. - Stephanie
read more on washingtonpost.com

74 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 5:49:14pm
75 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 5:49:25pm

For those who missed it earlier:

76 Dr. Matt  Nov 24, 2014 5:49:37pm
77 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 5:49:52pm

re: #59 William Barnett-Lewis

Inside instigators will do far more evil tonight.

I hope no evil occurs. It’s a hope hanging by a thread.

What am I saying? Tonight’s going to be awful.

78 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:50:36pm

Tonight we are seeing what happens when a city government is run by people that can best be described as Lawful Evil:

79 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 5:50:49pm

Maybe a future Lynyrd Skynyrd will sing a song about Jay Nixon or something

80 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:52:03pm
81 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Nov 24, 2014 5:52:51pm

re: #79 Viscous Obama

Maybe a future Lynyrd Skynyrd will sing a song about Jay Nixon or something

Whenever I hear “Sweet Home Alabama”, the line “We all did what we could do” just pisses me off. It’s like saying “Oh well, we tried, tough shit”

82 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 5:52:56pm
83 #FergusonFireside  Nov 24, 2014 5:53:09pm
84 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 5:53:09pm

Gabe Crocker, the president of the St. Louis County Police Association, said tonight on CNN that the long wait for the Ferguson grand jury decision is “like the night before Christmas.”
mediaite.com

85 ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2014 5:53:21pm

Hey all. I am really sickened by all this. Not to bust on anyone here, but the fact such a sad incident is being turned into a television viewing event just guts me. The big TV people are using this for ratings.

Ratings.

God this country’s priorities are all out of whack.

One thing that really concerns me, and isn’t being mentioned is what about other cities in America? This could turn the heat up in many major cities. Consider Cleveland Ohio. They just had a similar incident yesterday. How will they react? LA. DC. Newark, Chicago…on and on.

I admit, I am a bit concerned here in Columbus. I live in what many call the bad part of town. I can see East Main Street here in Columbus getting a bit crazy. Who the hell knows. The amount of frustration in the African American communities is extremely high. I live less than a block off of E. Main. Should I be concerned? I really don’t know.

Damn, This all sucks so bad. America used to be the land of the free. I don’t think a lot of people are feeling very free.

I hope we all get through this. (Deep Breaths).

86 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 24, 2014 5:54:34pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

The media are definitely in “Let’s you and him fight” mode.

87 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:54:38pm

re: #84 jaunte

Gabe Crocker, the president of the St. Louis County Police Association, said tonight on CNN that the long wait for the Ferguson grand jury decision is “like the night before Christmas.”
mediaite.com

More like “The Nightmare Before Christmas”.

88 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 5:54:47pm

re: #61 Justanotherhuman

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Mahatma Gandhi

Objection: Presumes that the bosses are like the British - not utterly irredeemably evil.

89 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 5:55:13pm
90 Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2014 5:55:33pm

Just announced: Bob McCullough will give a 20-minute statement starting at the top of the hour, and then take questions.

91 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:55:56pm

re: #88 William Barnett-Lewis

Objection: Presumes that the bosses are like the British - not utterly irredeemably evil.

Well, it is a new era, so yeah.

92 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 5:56:11pm

re: #57 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

The Guy Fawkes masks are sooooo not needed out there.

For better or worse, they have become a worldwide symbol of resistance to authority. I saw them used in Tahrir Square footage on VICE tv.

BTW, students in Thailand were arrested this weekend for giving the Mockingjay salute from the Hunger Games in protest of the military coup.

93 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 5:56:46pm

re: #71 Zamb

They want a revolution, not justice.

Sometimes, both are needed. I will not make that judgement here, however.

94 Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2014 5:57:19pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Just announced: Bob McCullough will give a 20-minute statement starting at the top of the hour, and then take questions.

I hope that doesn’t mean this is going to drag on another 20 minutes.

95 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:57:42pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Hey all. I am really sickened by all this. Not to bust on anyone here, but the fact such a sad incident is being turned into a television viewing event just guts me. The big TV people are using this for ratings.

Ratings.

God this countries priorities are all out of whack.

One thing that really concerns me, and isn’t being mentioned is what about other cities in America? This could turn the heat up in many major cities. Consider Cleveland Ohio. They just had a similar incident yesterday. How will they react? LA. DC. Newark, Chicago…on and on.

I admit, I am a bit concerned here in Columbus. I live in what many call the bad part of town. I can see East Main Street here in Columbus getting a bit crazy. Who the hell knows. The amount of frustration in the African American communities is extremely high. I live less than a block off of E. Main. Should I be concerned? I really don’t know.

Damn, This all sucks so bad. America used to be the land of the free. I don’t think a lot of people are feeling very free.

I hope we all get through this. (Deep Breaths).

It really does seem like we’re having to start from scratch.

Please be safe! {Hugs and more hugs}

96 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 5:57:50pm

Hey, what happened on 9 August in Ferguson, MO has nothing to do with race or racism, so shut up!

Retweeted by Jonah Goldberg:

97 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 5:57:50pm

re: #88 William Barnett-Lewis

Objection: Presumes that the bosses are like the British - not utterly irredeemably evil.

Really?

An awful lot that the Brits did in India and Kenya was pretty fucking irredeemably evil.

98 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Nov 24, 2014 5:58:06pm

What can you say for 20 minutes? (Edit) I don’t think the State of the Union is that long.

99 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 24, 2014 5:58:36pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

America used to be the land of the free.

Before of after desegregation? If after, it didn’t last long anyway. If before, what kind of freedom is this?

100 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 5:58:40pm

re: #98 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What can you say for 20 minutes?

A lot of bullshit.

101 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 5:58:47pm
102 Dr. Matt  Nov 24, 2014 5:58:49pm

I’m starting to lean towards some lesser 2nd degree charge. My 2 cents.

103 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 5:59:27pm

re: #92 Aunty Entity Dragon

For better or worse, they have become a worldwide symbol of resistance to authority. I saw them used in Tahrir Square footage on VICE tv.

BTW, students in Thailand were arrested this weekend for giving the Mockingjay salute from the Hunger Games in protest of the military coup.

Amazing that a hand sign from a movie would be used in a democracy protest.

104 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 5:59:29pm

He thinks he’s funny. What a douche canoe.

105 #FergusonFireside  Nov 24, 2014 5:59:32pm
106 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 5:59:42pm
107 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 5:59:44pm
108 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 5:59:46pm

If Wilson is not indicted tonight, he is going to become a very wealthy man. Let that sink in a bit.

109 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 6:00:08pm

re: #98 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What can you say for 20 minutes? (Edit) I don’t think the State of the Union is that long.

15 minutes of thanking evey minor functionary and department you never cared about for doing things they are paid to do in the first place, if past announcements are any guide.

110 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 6:00:27pm

re: #102 Dr. Matt

I’m starting to lean towards some lesser 2nd degree charge. My 2 cents.

I still say he’s going to walk and the fix has been in from the start.

Announcing this at night is just another way to make black Americans appear to be nothing but violent thugs. After all, responsible working people would be at home with their families getting ready for work tomorrow.

111 Decatur Deb  Nov 24, 2014 6:00:30pm

re: #98 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What can you say for 20 minutes?

“If we hadn’t stopped to drink pop, it wouldn’t have taken that long.”

—Emmett Till murderers’ juror.

112 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 6:00:37pm

this means no indictment.

113 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 6:00:54pm

re: #93 Aunty Entity Dragon

Sometimes, both are needed. I will not make that judgement here, however.

Please don’t ask me; I’m not sure how I should answer.

114 jamesfirecat  Nov 24, 2014 6:01:07pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

Really?

An awful lot that the Brits did in India and Kenya was pretty fucking irredeemably evil.

Do you think those tactics would have worked against Hitler? Because they did end up working against the British…

115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 24, 2014 6:01:09pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

He thinks he’s funny. What a douche canoe.

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At least he’s wearing a dunce cap.

116 #FergusonFireside  Nov 24, 2014 6:01:09pm

re: #108 Kid A

If Wilson is not indicted tonight, he is going to become a very wealthy man. Let that sink in a bit.

Black lives don’t matter.

117 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 6:01:36pm
118 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 24, 2014 6:01:38pm

re: #95 Justanotherhuman

Anything can become a television viewing event. Twenty years ago every network broadcast two hours of OJ Simpson being driven around Los Angeles in a white Ford Bronco. It’s minimum-effort journalism at it finest.

119 lawhawk  Nov 24, 2014 6:01:40pm

re: #98 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The grand jury spoke, and we have to abide by what they did. It wasn’t my fault (even though it totally was) that an indictment wasn’t handed down because the evidence didn’t support it (while I have no problem indicting a ham sandwich and anyone in the Ferguson community who so much as breathes on a police officer the wrong way (or drops their own blood on a Ferguson police officer after those officers beat the person senseless).

Oh, and blame the community for any violence. Blame them for any violence and not a police department armed for bear.

120 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 6:03:12pm

re: #117 teleskiguy

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But of course.

121 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 6:03:45pm
122 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Nov 24, 2014 6:04:27pm

re: #119 lawhawk

I read that aloud in 30 seconds. Try again.

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 6:04:42pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

Really?

An awful lot that the Brits did in India and Kenya was pretty fucking irredeemably evil.

Compared to the worst that we humans have done? Had Gandhi gone up against a German occupation of India he would have had spring loaded guillotine and an unmarked grave. Any one that protested would have gotten the same. See The White Rose for the courage of real examples.

The Brits were no saints. They were still no where as evil as they could have been.

124 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 6:05:00pm

All right, it’s 8:04. Where’s the fucking announcement?

(You can tell, I’m already pissed.)

125 lostlakehiker  Nov 24, 2014 6:05:06pm

re: #110 Lidane

The timing gives working people time to get home to their families, rather than maybe have to run a gantlet of rocks from overpasses or streets overflowing with crowds.

There’s some logic to it.

126 lawhawk  Nov 24, 2014 6:05:20pm

re: #122 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You didn’t include all the ummm…. uhhhh…. and POINT! SQUIRREL!!!!

127 Dr. Matt  Nov 24, 2014 6:05:37pm

And now they are 5 minutes late. These people are assholes.

128 dog philosopher  Nov 24, 2014 6:05:45pm

live feed?

129 ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2014 6:05:53pm

re: #99 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Before of after desegregation? If after, it didn’t last long anyway. If before, what kind of freedom is this?

I wrote that comment under a little duress. You are right, I should have America is supposed to be the land of the free.

130 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:04pm

If these yokels delay the announcement much longer there will be a riot on that account alone.

131 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:14pm

re: #114 jamesfirecat

the only thing that worked agains the British was world opinion, whch they actually did care about.

What happend in Kenya should have gone before the Hague.

Caroline Elkins, a professor at Harvard, spent nearly 10 years compiling the evidence contained in her book Britain’s Gulag: the Brutal End of Empire in Kenya. She started her research with the belief that the British account of the suppression of the Kikuyu’s Mau Mau revolt in the 1950s was largely accurate. Then she discovered that most of the documentation had been destroyed. She worked through the remaining archives, and conducted 600 hours of interviews with Kikuyu survivors - rebels and loyalists - and British guards, settlers and officials. Her book is fully and thoroughly documented. It won the Pulitzer prize. But as far as Sandbrook, James and other imperial apologists are concerned, it might as well never have been written.

Elkins reveals that the British detained not 80,000 Kikuyu, as the official histories maintain, but almost the entire population of one and a half million people, in camps and fortified villages. There, thousands were beaten to death or died from malnutrition, typhoid, tuberculosis and dysentery. In some camps almost all the children died.

The inmates were used as slave labour. Above the gates were edifying slogans, such as “Labour and freedom” and “He who helps himself will also be helped”. Loudspeakers broadcast the national anthem and patriotic exhortations. People deemed to have disobeyed the rules were killed in front of the others. The survivors were forced to dig mass graves, which were quickly filled. Unless you have a strong stomach I advise you to skip the next paragraph.

Interrogation under torture was widespread. Many of the men were anally raped, using knives, broken bottles, rifle barrels, snakes and scorpions. A favourite technique was to hold a man upside down, his head in a bucket of water, while sand was rammed into his rectum with a stick. Women were gang-raped by the guards. People were mauled by dogs and electrocuted. The British devised a special tool which they used for first crushing and then ripping off testicles. They used pliers to mutilate women’s breasts. They cut off inmates’ ears and fingers and gouged out their eyes. They dragged people behind Land Rovers until their bodies disintegrated. Men were rolled up in barbed wire and kicked around the compound.

theguardian.com

132 lostlakehiker  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:20pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

Compared to the worst that we humans have done? Had Gandhi gone up against a German occupation of India he would have had spring loaded guillotine and an unmarked grave. Any one that protested would have gotten the same. See The White Rose for the courage of real examples.

The Brits were no saints. They were still no where as evil as they could have been.

There’s even an alternate history science fiction short story, Gandhi versus Walther Model. Model just has him killed, of course.

133 Sionainn  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:20pm

re: #128 dog philosopher

live feed?

I’ve got a live feed on msnbc.com

134 Dr. Matt  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:21pm
135 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:49pm

re: #125 lostlakehiker

bullshit. You embarrassed by that comment?

136 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:52pm

re: #127 Dr. Matt

And now they are 5 minutes late. These people are assholes.

Stalling for time and, now, time’s up…

137 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:53pm

re: #125 lostlakehiker

In other words, it deliberately makes black people look like violent thugs.

Thanks for proving my point.

138 Aye Pod  Nov 24, 2014 6:06:56pm

Looks like another victory for scum is in the offing.

It must be a long time since violent racists felt so empowered.

139 Dr. Matt  Nov 24, 2014 6:07:03pm
140 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 6:07:28pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

Compared to the worst that we humans have done? Had Gandhi gone up against a German occupation of India he would have had spring loaded guillotine and an unmarked grave. Any one that protested would have gotten the same. See The White Rose for the courage of real examples.

The Brits were no saints. They were still no where as evil as they could have been.

Read about Kenya and think about it.

141 SpaceJesus  Nov 24, 2014 6:07:42pm

welp

142 klystron  Nov 24, 2014 6:07:45pm

re: #125 lostlakehiker

The timing gives working people time to get home to their families, rather than maybe have to run a gantlet of rocks from overpasses or streets overflowing with crowds.

There’s some logic to it.

Your dog whistle descended into the range of human hearing. You might want to check on that.

143 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 6:08:20pm
144 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 6:08:32pm
145 Justanotherhuman  Nov 24, 2014 6:08:42pm

re: #118 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Anything can become a television viewing event. Twenty years ago every network broadcast two hours of OJ Simpson being driven around Los Angeles in a white Ford Bronco. It’s minimum-effort journalism at it finest.

This is a life or death situation. As it is in any civil rights event.

We’re always one step forward, two steps back, it seems, when it comes to civil rights for anyone except straight, white people. And I’m a straight, white person saying that.

146 Dr. Matt  Nov 24, 2014 6:09:10pm
147 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 6:09:13pm

re: #140 Aunty Entity Dragon

I know Kenya.

I also know the Bloodlands.

I stand by my argument.

148 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 6:09:58pm
149 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 6:10:24pm

re: #147 William Barnett-Lewis

I know Kenya.

I also know the Bloodlands.

I stand by my argument.

I stand by mine. What happened in Kenya could have come right out of Dachau.

150 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 6:11:07pm

re: #127 Dr. Matt

And now they are 5 minutes late. These people are assholes.

11 minutes.

151 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Nov 24, 2014 6:11:26pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

Compared to the worst that we humans have done? Had Gandhi gone up against a German occupation of India he would have had spring loaded guillotine and an unmarked grave. Any one that protested would have gotten the same. See The White Rose for the courage of real examples.

The Brits were no saints. They were still no where as evil as they could have been.

I did a research paper about appeasement in the 1930s and one of the surprising things I learned was that Britain was factoring in their ability to protect their Far Eastern interests from the Japanese when they were rolling over to (first) Mussolini in Ethiopia and later Germany in Czechoslovakia and Austria. If they went to war too soon (to stop Hitler and save the lives of untold millions) they would have basically abandoned the Far East Empire.

152 Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2014 6:11:32pm

re: #148 Kid A

That might be before the official announcement.

153 jamesfirecat  Nov 24, 2014 6:11:56pm

re: #149 Aunty Entity Dragon

I stand by mine. What happened in Kenya could have come right out of Dachau.

Ultimately at the very least Britian cared about world opinion in a way the Nazis didn’t / would not have.

154 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 24, 2014 6:11:57pm

They had *how long* to get this shit ready? Seriously, there’s no excuse for them to be this far behind after having all day to get ready.

155 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)  Nov 24, 2014 6:13:16pm

re: #154 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Rocks, overpasses… working people. You know, logic. /

156 Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2014 6:13:47pm

re: #154 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

They had *how long* to get this shit ready? Seriously, there’s no excuse for them to be this far behind after having all day to get ready.

It’s their way of giving the finger to everyone.

157 Egregious Philbin  Nov 24, 2014 6:13:48pm

re: #150 Kid A

What a cascade of f* ups.

Seriously.

Let me guess, pissed off white cops win again…

158 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 6:15:20pm

re: #153 jamesfirecat

Ultimately Britian cared about world opinion in a way the Nazis didn’t would not have.

That does nothing to obviate the utter evil that was perpetrated there and then deliberately hidden (many documents wered dumped at sea from aircraft according to participants).

Ultimately, human capacity for cruelty and barbarism (see the September massacres, 1792, France for a nasty lesson) is not confined to “those other people” and the British in Kenya were no better then the SS in the Ukraine.

159 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2014 6:17:01pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

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More blacks for him to prosecute after the shit hits = job security.

160 Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2014 6:18:40pm

re: #157 Egregious Philbin

What a cascade of f* ups.

Seriously.

Let me guess, pissed off white cops win again…

Seems pretty clear that Ferguson wants a riot tonight. They’re doing everything possible to create one. Then it will reported as a battle between the forces of law and order versus the subhuman savages, as the RW likes to call them.

161 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 6:18:55pm

re: #149 Aunty Entity Dragon

I stand by mine. What happened in Kenya could have come right out of Dachau.

Out of one Dachau, perhaps. Not compared to the 20,000 camps the Germans built:

When the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum first began to document all of the camps, the belief was that the list would total approximately 7,000. However, researchers found that the Nazis had actually established about 20,000 camps between 1933 and 1945.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org

I don’t have to minimize the Brits to know they are nowhere near as evil as they might have been. I say that with 800 years of my Welsh ancestors watching carefully.

162 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2014 6:19:44pm

Wilson cleared = reinforces their tactics and treatment of the locals = they will keep on oppressing. Even more so now.

163 darthstar  Nov 24, 2014 6:31:54pm

Well, this sucks. But we knew it was coming.

164 lostlakehiker  Nov 24, 2014 8:31:53pm

re: #135 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)

No. I stand by it. What might have happened did not happen. Good. But with tensions as high as they were, the possibility could not have been ruled out in advance.

The very last thing this country needs is more fatalities out of this. Any precaution that reduces the likelihood of that is just as well.

165 klystron  Nov 24, 2014 8:35:11pm

re: #164 lostlakehiker

I’ll just put this here very clearly: your comment has some very nasty racist undertones. If you don’t see them, I suggest you look more carefully.

If you’re not embarrassed by that, well, that says something too.


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