The Final Word on Jim Hoft’s “Fractured Eye Socket” Hoax

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If he has even a shred of integrity Jim Hoft will finally retract his bogus claims about Darren Wilson’s “fractured eye socket,” but I don’t expect him to do that. These photos of Wilson from the grand jury evidence are the final word on this dishonest story.

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585 comments
1 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 8:21:11pm

Wait, are you saying Jim Hoft is a liar???

2 Franklin  Nov 24, 2014 8:21:49pm

War on Christmas

3 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 8:21:58pm

re: #1 Unabogie

Wait, are you saying Jim Hoft is a liar???

That’s a foregone conclusion at this point, this is just rubbing it in.

4 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:22:58pm

re: #2 Franklin

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War on Christmas

That is a picture for the ages.

Welcome to America.

5 The Dude Abides  Nov 24, 2014 8:23:20pm

Look at those horrific injuries on that poor man. How can we protect ourselves against such thugs who inflict these terrible wounds?
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6 Egregious Philbin  Nov 24, 2014 8:24:08pm

Hoft…lying piece of shit weasel.

Was there ever any doubt?

7 Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2014 8:24:25pm

re: #5 The Dude Abides

Look at those horrific injuries on that poor man. How can we protect ourselves against such thugs who inflict these terrible wounds?

This truly was the result of a savage beating. It’s a wonder the man survived!

8 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 8:24:56pm

re: #5 The Dude Abides

Look at those horrific injuries on that poor man. How can we protect ourselves against such thugs who inflict these terrible wounds?

By giving them a “Wilson”: Filling them full of lead as they’re running away.

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9 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:25:04pm

Wal Greens burning down in Ferguson.

10 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 8:25:39pm

People, people. I clearly see a scratch. Did you want him to get TWO SCRATCHES?

THE MAN HAD NO CHOICE.

11 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 8:25:49pm

re: #2 Franklin

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War on Christmas

I avidly await the Jon McNaughton illuminated manuscript

12 allegro  Nov 24, 2014 8:26:46pm

re: #10 Unabogie

People, people. I clearly see a scratch. Did you want him to get TWO SCRATCHES?

THE MAN HAD NO CHOICE.

I’m seeing a zit.

13 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 8:27:03pm

BTW, when I tell you that my nephew actually looks a LOT like Mike Brown, so I can’t even really look at the pictures of him and NOT see my nephew, same coloring, same build, even same fat cheeks (I used to squeeze them when he was younger).

So yeah, excuse me if I’m not as willing as others to joke or be snarky about this whole mess or not emotional.

I am literally wondering what type of conversations my sister has had with him and hoping that they will be enough and feeling that it never will be.

14 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 8:27:04pm

Jim Hoft, you lying piece of shit.

15 Belafon  Nov 24, 2014 8:27:06pm

An awesome twitter bot that i would totally approve of would make these images the first replies to every Jim Hoft tweet.

ETA: I’m against twitter bots, and I’m against violating people’s privacy, but I would have not trouble with this, just like I had no trouble with anonymous going after the KKK.

16 Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2014 8:27:12pm

Good God, Zimmerman got worse injuries than this fucker.

17 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 8:27:46pm

Looks like a man who was in a fight for his life.

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18 dholmes32  Nov 24, 2014 8:28:36pm

re: #14 Kid A

Jim Hoft, you lying piece of shit.

I believe you meant to say: “sack of shit,” as Hoft is a repeat offender.

19 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 8:29:18pm

re: #17 Lidane

His authority was slighted.

20 OhNoZombies!  Nov 24, 2014 8:30:23pm

Damn.
I wish I knew some Voodoo.
I would be poking the shit out of that doll right now. Probably make one for the prosecutor and the governor too…

21 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 8:31:25pm
22 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:31:49pm

Pizza place burning down. This is going to be one hell of a bad night.

23 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 8:31:49pm

I said it downstairs and I’ll say it again— I’m thoroughly disgusted.

I knew the fix was in from the start, but realizing that minority lives officially don’t matter in America is depressing as fuck.

24 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 8:32:24pm

Clearly he was in fear for his life.//

25 Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2014 8:33:14pm

The beating was so savage that, when Brown began walking back toward the man pointing a gun at him, Wilson had no choice but to open fire. It was the only way to save his life.

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27 makeitstop  Nov 24, 2014 8:33:45pm

Does anyone know if there’s a corresponding medical report?

28 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 8:34:04pm

Local public media is best media, again

29 PeterWolf  Nov 24, 2014 8:35:52pm

Integrity and Jim Hoft are an oxymoron when used in the same sentence.

30 Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2014 8:36:18pm

I’m getting very bad flashbacks of the Wal-Mart shooting now, of the video only being released to the public after the GJ had returned a no-bill. I can only imagine that fear of their assurances of Wilson’s innocence would have been a lot fucking harder to maintain if pictures like these had been released even a month back.

31 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 8:36:18pm

re: #22 Aunty Entity Dragon

Pizza place burning down. This is going to be one hell of a bad night.

That’s a Little Caesars. Walgreens is burning too.

32 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:36:23pm

Reddit live feed: Interstate 44 completely shut down by protesters. Police moving in.

33 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 8:37:12pm

re: #13 psddluva4evah

None of us are being snarky because we aren’t upset. It’s just gallows humor and the alternative is to cry.

34 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:38:26pm
35 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:39:17pm

This is accelerating just like what I remember from the LA riots. Deju vu feeling.

36 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 8:39:49pm

re: #31 NJDhockeyfan

That’s a Little Caesars. Walgreens is burning too.

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Other people here have actual thoughts on this. Do you?

37 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 8:39:50pm

2 thoughts.

1-This guy looks like an inbred hick.

2- Mexico just had some major protests of their own for corruption, both of government and police forces, which has resulted in the unjust detention of at least 11 people.

We have a large number of Mexican-Americans in the US. How about unifying the 2 protest movements under one group?

38 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:39:53pm
39 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 8:39:57pm

re: #33 Unabogie

Oh, I understand the gallows humor, but It’s the crying part I get believe you me, I’m doing more of it than I expected I would even believing all along that Wilson would NOT be indicted.

40 Timothy Watson  Nov 24, 2014 8:40:01pm

re: #27 makeitstop

Does anyone know if there’s a corresponding medical report?

documentcloud.org

41 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 8:40:39pm
42 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:41:04pm

Antonio French just now hearing rapid fire gun shots…

43 allegro  Nov 24, 2014 8:41:21pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

I’m getting very bad flashbacks of the Wal-Mart shooting now, of the video only being released to the public after the GJ had returned a no-bill. I can only imagine that fear of their assurances of Wilson’s innocence would have been a lot fucking harder to maintain if pictures like these had been released even a month back.

Guess the FOIA - and mysterious leaks - only included video and stuff that might make MB appear thuggish.

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 24, 2014 8:41:36pm

Time to go.

I’m going to light a candle, find my copy of the 1549 prayer book and say compline with the full penitential litany tonight. It won’t really help - we’re supposed to be god’s hands in this world and none of us are doing enough - but it’s all I can do three states away in the middle of flyover.

Kýrie eléison…

45 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:41:59pm

STL international airport just shut down.

46 allegro  Nov 24, 2014 8:42:36pm

re: #35 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is accelerating just like what I remember from the LA riots. Deju vu feeling.

Probly my age, but I’m flashing back to MLK’s murder riots.

47 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 8:42:53pm

August 20, 2014:

Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries including a bone fracture near one eye and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department’s top brass told foxnews.com.

“According to the well-placed source”
foxnews.com

48 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 8:43:26pm
49 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 8:43:26pm

I’m sure that both Fox News and the GOP are happy tonight. Not only do they get a new hero in Darren Wilson, but they’ve now got more ammo to scare white voters with in 2016.

50 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:43:35pm
51 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 8:44:23pm

re: #37 The War TARDIS

To point 1

I think they look alike

See the resemblance?

The tracker swampfolk from Fallout 3-Point Lookout.

52 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2014 8:44:32pm

re: #49 Lidane

I’m sure that both Fox News and the GOP are happy tonight. Not only do they get a new hero in Darren Wilson, but they’ve now got more ammo to scare white voters with in 2016.

All according to plan.

53 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:44:39pm

Trolls in Antonio French’s twitter feed are attacking him for the fires now.

54 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 8:44:40pm

re: #45 Aunty Entity Dragon

STL international airport just shut down.

Unreal

55 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 8:45:41pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan

Oh come on, you are a conservative. You wanted this to happen, so you could have an excuse to let the Dixie Flag fly.

56 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:46:02pm
57 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 8:46:24pm

Nixon’s National Guard is doing a bang up job

58 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:46:39pm

Hearing chatter that the national guard has been directed to take control.

59 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 8:46:43pm

re: #57 Viscous Obama

Nixon’s National Guard is doing a bang up job

Tin soldiers and Nixon lying, we’re finally on our own.

60 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 8:47:20pm
61 Belafon  Nov 24, 2014 8:47:24pm

re: #48 psddluva4evah

Not sure what this truly says about me, but I laughed.

62 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 8:47:41pm

Grand Jury evidence confirms Brown was shot in back of head

63 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 8:48:55pm

Cue the RW blaming this on Obama, since he said something about it. Doesn’t matter what he said, just that he said something that can be twisted to sound racist (if you’re a moron).

Some white paranoiacs will use this as a pretext to discuss the upcoming “race wars” or some other such nonsense. Fact is, the US hasn’t had a really big race riot in over 20 years…the last one was L.A. 1992 following the Rodney King verdict, which also involved excessive force used by white cops against an unarmed black man. Just like the ‘65 Watts riots…and several others. There’s a pattern here. Riots don’t occur in a vacuum. There’s a precursor—usually a violent, unjust act. Like in Ferguson, like with Rodney King, etc.

64 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 8:49:15pm

re: #62 Viscous Obama

Grand Jury evidence confirms Brown was shot in back of head

Oh, but he deserved it. He was a wanted felon, don’tcha know.

/2014 Republican Party

65 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 8:49:20pm

I don’t know whether to feel sad, angry, confused, disillusioned, or all. The fact of the matter is there was a severe miscarriage of justice tonight. It’s going to be sick watching the same white conservatives who bad mouth the black community for “cheering” the OJ verdict applaud the lack of even an indictment in a case we know that Wilson killed Brown.

66 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 8:50:06pm

re: #62 Viscous Obama

Grand Jury evidence confirms Brown was shot in back of head

Do you have a link for that?

67 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:50:13pm

No fly zone back in effect.

68 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 8:50:52pm

re: #64 Lidane

Oh, but he deserved it. He was a wanted felon, don’tcha know.

/2014 Republican Party

Stealing cigars means you should die. Seriously, I’ve seen that exact mindset on the internet that Brown deserved to pay with his life because of what he did. There’s too many fucking people especially fucking conservatives who think people are deserving of death.

69 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 8:51:55pm

re: #63 palomino

Cue the RW blaming this on Obama, since he said something about it. Doesn’t matter what he said, just that he said something that can be twisted to sound racist (if you’re a moron).

Some white paranoiacs will use this as a pretext to discuss the upcoming “race wars” or some other such nonsense. Fact is, the US hasn’t had a really big race riot in over 20 years…the last one was L.A. 1992 following the Rodney King verdict, which also involved excessive force used by white cops against an unarmed black man. Just like the ‘65 Watts riots…and several others. There’s a pattern here. Riots don’t occur in a vacuum. There’s a precursor—usually a violent, unjust act. Like in Ferguson, like with Rodney King, etc.

Not just one act. Just like in LA (where the police were engaging in borderline urban warfare against African Americans), Ferguson and St Louis have been building up to this with patterns of practice.

70 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 8:52:21pm

re: #67 Aunty Entity Dragon

Of course it is. Because they don’t want news of potential atrocities coming in.

71 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 8:53:06pm

re: #55 The War TARDIS

Oh come on, you are a conservative. You wanted this to happen, so you could have an excuse to let the Dixie Flag fly.

You’re giving him too much credit. Doubtful that he has anything resembling a coherent political ideology.

But he sure does cut and paste competently.

72 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 8:53:21pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I don’t know whether to feel sad, angry, confused, disillusioned, or all.

I’m going for all of them except confusion. There was no confusion here.

The fix was in from the start. There was never a chance of Darren Wilson facing justice. He’s a white man with a badge on, so of course he’s exempt from the law. He can kill unarmed minority kids with impunity and nothing is going to come from it.

But hey, at least the Republicans and Fox News are happy, right?

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73 Stephen T.  Nov 24, 2014 8:53:39pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Stealing cigars means you should die. Seriously, I’ve seen that exact mindset on the internet that Brown deserved to pay with his life because of what he did. There’s too many fucking people especially fucking conservatives who think people are deserving of death.

For far too many in this country lately, (and one is too many, though there are more than one) believing that having black skin means you should die.

74 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 8:53:47pm

Really people if we can catch Alex Holmes and Jared Loughner alive who were armed to the core and just killed massive amounts of people, there was a way for Officer Wilson to solve this without ending this kid’s life. I hope he’s never employable anywhere and I hope he has to live with Michael Brown on his conscience for the rest of his life.

75 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 8:54:15pm

re: #55 The War TARDIS

Oh come on, you are a conservative. You wanted this to happen, so you could have an excuse to let the Dixie Flag fly.

Where is all this garbage coming from? I expect shit like this at DKos or HuffPo, not here.

76 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 8:54:32pm

re: #71 palomino

I’m angry right now, and the side he belongs to has been ginning this up.

77 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 8:54:56pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Really people if we can catch Alex Holmes and Jared Loughner alive who were armed to the core and just killed massive amounts of people, there was a way for Officer Wilson to solve this without ending this kid’s life. I hope he’s never employable anywhere and I hope he has to live with Michael Brown on his conscience for the rest of his life.

He’ll be on Fox News soon enough. He’ll be Mark Furhman’s stand-in.

After that, he’ll be featured at CPAC and on the Republican grifter circuit. They’re going to love him.

78 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 8:55:17pm

re: #60 jaunte

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And a Fawkes mask?

79 OhNoZombies!  Nov 24, 2014 8:55:17pm

OJ.
Things like this are the reason why people didn’t believe he was guilty.
As a matter of fact, for me anyway, it was after that verdict that I really noticed a shift in race relations in this country.
1995, I was 20.

80 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 8:55:29pm

re: #72 Lidane

I’m going for all of them except confusion. There was no confusion here.

The fix was in from the start. There was never a chance of Darren Wilson facing justice. He’s a white man with a badge on, so of course he’s exempt from the law. He can kill unarmed minority kids with impunity and nothing is going to come from it.

But hey, at least the Republicans and Fox News are happy, right?

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Confusion in the sense that I didn’t expect McCulloch to go all out defending Wilson. I knew he was one of those cops can do no wrong types but damn. But yeah frustrating as hell. I don’t want to ever hear again from white conservative straight Christians about how they have it the toughest in this country ever again. If the races of the parties involved had been reversed, we would have had an indictment months ago.

81 sagehen  Nov 24, 2014 8:55:39pm

re: #69 Aunty Entity Dragon

Not just one act. Just like in LA (where the police were engaging in borderline urban warfare against African Americans), Ferguson and St Louis have been building up to this with patterns of practice.

LA didn’t erupt in flames because of the beating; it was because a jury chose to ignore clear evidence.

82 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 8:55:44pm

re: #66 Unabogie

archive.org

83 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 8:55:54pm

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, you are all for faux civility, aren’t you?

84 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 8:56:34pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

If the races of the parties involved had been reversed, we would have had an indictment months ago.

If the races of the parties were reversed, Darren Wilson would have been sent to Texas and executed by now.

85 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 8:56:37pm

It doesn’t matter, unfortunately.

86 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 8:56:54pm

FAA: No fly zone instituted

87 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 8:58:00pm

re: #84 Lidane

If the races of the parties were reversed, Darren Wilson would have been sent to Texas and executed by now.

For sure. I swear. This is insanity. But hey those uppity blacks how dare they bring up members of their community being unarmed shot by the police because hey the police can do no wrong and them black people are always up to no good, right?

88 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 8:59:05pm

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

Where is all this garbage coming from? I expect shit like this at DKos or HuffPo, not here.

Hostility directed at you is due to the things you post. Period.

What else could it possibly be? No one here really knows any more about you than what you post.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 9:00:32pm

re: #85 Jenner7

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It doesn’t matter, unfortunately.

Like I said earlier, the ones causing trouble are out of towners. The local protesters are peaceful. They are showing them marching through SL without any violence. The assholes burning shit, looting and shooting I bet aren’t from the area.

90 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 9:00:36pm

re: #82 Viscous Obama

archive.org

I’m not seeing it.

91 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 9:00:46pm
92 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:01:31pm

re: #91 Lidane

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Typical thugs.///

93 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 9:01:54pm

re: #81 sagehen

LA didn’t erupt in flames because of the beating; it was because a jury chose to ignore clear evidence.

Yes…but the situation had been building for years. I lived there at the time, and entire areas of Southern California were no-go zones if you were black.

Dead effing serious. There were malls you could not go to. Beaches. You name it.

Then, you had the LAPD CAMP raids every week that used “carpets up and walls down” methods to destroy every house they went into on the pretext of looking for drugs.

One infamous incident that made local news was when the LAPD went into an apartment complex and destroyed every unit. Sledgehammers through the walls, through TV sets, through fish tanks and all the doors busted in.

All the clothing in every apt was taken out and doused with bleach to destroy it.

No drugs or suspects found…and the Red Cross had to be called to provide emergency clothing and lodging for the victims.

This is the attitude that led to the riots.

94 Belafon  Nov 24, 2014 9:02:14pm

re: #91 Lidane

That’s a cool picture, but I believe it was from a couple of months ago.

95 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 9:02:43pm

re: #88 palomino

Hostility directed at you is due to the things you post. Period.

What else could it possibly be? No one here really knows any more about you than what you post.

So you assume I’m a racist from the south with a Dixie flag flying at my house? You people are fucked.

96 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 9:03:39pm

Crowd gathering in front of White House now…

97 Stephen T.  Nov 24, 2014 9:04:03pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

So you assume I’m a racist from the south with a Dixie flag flying at my house? You people are fucked.

I assume you are racist from New Jersey who symbolically flies a Dixie flag with every racist comment you post.

98 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:04:19pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Confusion in the sense that I didn’t expect McCulloch to go all out defending Wilson. I knew he was one of those cops can do no wrong types but damn. But yeah frustrating as hell. I don’t want to ever hear again from white conservative straight Christians about how they have it the toughest in this country ever again. If the races of the parties involved had been reversed, we would have had an indictment months ago.

Had it been a black cop killing a young white man in the exact same circumstances, I have no doubt the cop would have been put on administrative leave within a couple of hours, stripped of his badge with a day or two, and McCulloch would have fell over himself and working within the grand jury within a week or two to return an indictment ASAP.

This whole mess, like so many others that involve white cops and blacks who are injured or killed by them under dubious circumstances, is complete and utter horseshit.

99 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 9:05:51pm

re: #97 Stephen T.

We need to calm down.

100 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 9:06:30pm

I’m out for the night. Stay safe, everyone.

101 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:06:41pm

re: #98 TedStriker

Had it been a black cop killing a young white man in the exact same circumstances, I have no doubt the cop would have been put on administrative leave withing a few hours, stripped of his badge with a day or two, and McCulloch would have fell over himself and working within the grand jury within a week or two to return an indictment ASAP.

This whole mess, like so man others, is complete and utter horseshit.

Yep and I have no doubt that we wouldn’t be seeing the posthumous smearing of the you know victim. MICHAEL BROWN WAS A RAPPER(so is my brother) MICHAEL BROWN SMOKED POT (so have I and my brother) MICHAEL BROWN WASN’T AN ANGEL (neither was anyone. Really the most disgusting thing done by the media is trying to make us forget who the actual victim was in this case. Instead we hear about poor Darren Wilson or in Florida about poor George Zimmerman.

102 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:06:59pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

re: #97 Stephen T.

Chill, folks.

Please.

103 OhNoZombies!  Nov 24, 2014 9:07:08pm

re: #93 Aunty Entity Dragon

I knew it was bad, but I didn’t know it was that crazy…wow.
That’s some old school cross-burning stuff, like in my grandparents day.

104 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 9:07:18pm

re: #90 Unabogie

It’s pretty mangled in the archive.org version but the text reads in the PDF:

1. There is a gunshot entrance wound of the vertex of the scalp. This wound is located 20.0 cm above the level of the right external auditory meatus and near midline of the vertex of the head. The hole measures 10 mm 8 mm. It is round with level edges. The edges focally show an abrasion ring measuring up to 1 mm in greatest dimension and is most prominent near the superior edge of the wound. No powder stipple is identifed. No soot is identified. The wound track shows deeper hemorrhage. A bullet, seen on x-rays, is found within the soft tissue of the right face and is recovered and submitted as evidence. There is internal beveling of the defect in the parietal bone of the skull. Evaluation of this wound indicates that it is an entrance wound. The path of this shot is downward and rightward. The track of this bullet has been traced to pass via the scalp, soft tissue, parietal bone of the skull, right parietal lobe of the brain, right temporal lobe of the brain, right temporal bone of the skull to rest within the soft tissue of the lateral right face. Passage of the bullet
through the head created fractures of the calvarial and basilar bones of the skull. Pneumocephalus is present (confirmed on post-mortem x-ray examination). Subdural and subarachnoid hemorrhage is present on the
convexities of the brain. There are small, punctate contusions present within the white matter of the brain near the path of the gunshot injury. The gunshot injury path, through the brain, is approximately 12 cm in length.

You should be able to run this through google as well.

105 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2014 9:07:42pm

re: #82 Viscous Obama

archive.org

Not seeing anything either.

Edit.

Got it. But eh. That terminology. Not sure which part says the bullet to his head entered from the back.

106 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:08:26pm

Shit let me say it as a Southerner. Reconstruction should have been much more harsh. That’s where a lot of this crap begins honestly.

107 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 9:09:49pm

re: #93 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yes…but the situation had been building for years. I lived there at the time, and entire areas of Southern California were no-go zones if you were black.

Dead effing serious. There were malls you could not go to. Beaches. You name it.

Then, you had the LAPD CAMP raids every week that used “carpets up and walls down” methods to destroy every house they went into on the pretext of looking for drugs.

One infamous incident that made local news was when the LAPD went into an apartment complex and destroyed every unit. Sledgehammers through the walls, through TV sets, through fish tanks and all the doors busted in.

All the clothing in every apt was taken out and doused with bleach to destroy it.

No drugs or suspects found…and the Red Cross had to be called to provide emergency clothing and lodging for the victims.

This is the attitude that led to the riots.

Spot on. That fascist Chief Daryl Gates led our city’s PD for 20 years, and he was trained and put in place by other racist hypermacho scum.

When cops in Detroit fucked up and dropped an incendiary device on an apt bldg, most people in law enforcement were horrified because it killed several innocents and destroyed much of a city block. Gates’s reaction was the opposite: he jealously wanted to know why LA didn’t have similar military hardware. Shortly after, he procured some for the city.

It took decades of fighting back against police brutality by committed activists for LA to get where it is now: not necessarily a model of policing, but at least far less fucked up than it used to be.

108 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:10:35pm

Frankly America’s race problem isn’t men and women with white hoods on their heads. It’s about people who deny their own bigotry. It’s so called “soft racism.” The kind that just assumes that black youths are more criminal than white youths. The kind that think blacks “need” to get over slavery and Jim Crow. The kind that time and time again will insist that they’re not racist but yet not hesitate to broad brush an entire race. The kind that convinces itself that blacks and minority voters are too stupid to know what’s good for them and just have their political beliefs because they “Want free stuff” or because they’re on the “plantation.”

109 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 9:12:03pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Shit let me say it as a Southerner. Reconstruction should have been much more harsh. That’s where a lot of this crap begins honestly.

YES. THIS.

The US government should have come down like a ton of bricks on the Confederates after the war. Things might be different now if they had.

110 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 9:12:26pm

Did you know. Mike Brown looked like a demon

111 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 9:13:26pm

re: #110 Viscous Obama

Did you know. Mike Brown looked like a demon

imgur.com

Holy. Fucking. Shitballs.

112 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:14:00pm

re: #109 Lidane

YES. THIS.

The US government should have come down like a ton of bricks on the Confederates after the war. Things might be different now if they had.

For one, you would not have the pathetic revisionism about what the CSA was established for and the idiots who wave the rebel flag all the while decrying those they hate as being Anti-American. And I’ll say something more stronger here, the rebel flag is more offensive to me as an American than the Soviet Union’s. The CSA resulted in the deaths of much more and a much more higher percentage of Americans than the Soviets could have dreamed of.

113 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:14:43pm

re: #110 Viscous Obama

Did you know. Mike Brown looked like a demon

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Pretty amazing words from a guy who executed someone in cold blood.

114 Unabogie  Nov 24, 2014 9:15:06pm

re: #110 Viscous Obama

Did you know. Mike Brown looked like a demon

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Sounds legit. Totally believable, really. I mean, I’ve just changed my mind. Mike Brown was a demon. Had to be put down, or as Buffy would say, “slayed”.

115 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 9:15:28pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

So you assume I’m a racist from the south with a Dixie flag flying at my house? You people are fucked.

Try to follow the threads, as best you can anyway. It was another person who mentioned the dixie flag, etc. I was merely commenting on the fact that you offer little besides cutting-and-pasting, and the occasional trollery.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 9:15:31pm

re: #97 Stephen T.

I assume you are racist from New Jersey who symbolically flies a Dixie flag with every racist comment you post.

Unbelievable

117 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Nov 24, 2014 9:16:30pm

re: #97 Stephen T.

I assume you are racist from New Jersey who symbolically flies a Dixie flag with every racist comment you post.

What the hell is going on? He’s a dipshit because he’s a Devil’s fan but a racist? I’ve been reading stuff from him for years and I don’t remeber anything that deserves this.

118 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 9:16:53pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

The Confederate flag is a symbol of treason.

Some stupid college kid in his mass-produced-in-China Che Guevara T-shirt and Soviet flag on his dorm wall doesn’t offend me as much as some jackwagon flying a Confederate flag trying to tell me they’re a proud American. What the fuck ever. The Confederates were traitors.

119 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 9:17:38pm

re: #117 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What the hell is going on? He’s a dipshit because he’s a Devil’s fan but a racist? I’ve been reading stuff from him for years and I don’t remeber anything that deserves this.

Yeah, that’s confusing me too.

120 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:18:13pm

re: #118 Lidane

The Confederate flag is a symbol of treason.

Some stupid college kid in his mass-produced-in-China Che Guevara T-shirt and Soviet flag on his dorm wall doesn’t offend me as much as some jackwagon flying a Confederate flag trying to tell me they’re a proud American. What the fuck ever. The Confederates were traitors.

Right on. But yeah I love being lectured about how I am not a loyal American from some fucker wearing the flag of the “nation” that killed more Americans in time of war than any other. And for what? So a bunch of lazy, greedy planters could keep their right to own human chattel?

121 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:18:28pm

Why do I suspect Darren Wilson is on an extended Caribbean honeymoon right now?

122 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:18:34pm
123 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 9:19:01pm

re: #97 Stephen T.

I assume you are racist from New Jersey who symbolically flies a Dixie flag with every racist comment you post.

I think you’re getting him mixed up with DF, who actually is sort of a racist, or at least sounds that way sometimes due to clumsy writing.

Hockey man isn’t racist, I don’t think. He’s just a simpleminded troll.

124 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:19:03pm

re: #122 jaunte

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Amen brother amen.

125 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:19:21pm

re: #2 Franklin

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War on Christmas

Seasons Beatings from the Police Forces of St. Louis.

126 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 9:19:37pm
127 The Dude Abides  Nov 24, 2014 9:19:59pm

re: #104 Viscous Obama

That sounds like the entrance wound was at the top of the head, which would be consistent with Mike Brown being hunched over, with his head against his chest. In other words, the coup-de-grace, execution style.

128 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 9:20:21pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do I suspect Darren Wilson is on an extended Caribbean honeymoon right now?

Because he’s been on an extended Caribbean honeymoon since he murdered Mike Brown.

129 BishopX  Nov 24, 2014 9:20:24pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m pretty sure he was in St. Louis today (arrangement to turn himself in before the news broke) and the airport is shut down. My guess is he’s tucked away in a friend of a friend’s house in a very white suburb with a unmarked car out front.

130 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:21:04pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Shit let me say it as a Southerner. Reconstruction should have been much more harsh. That’s where a lot of this crap begins honestly.

As another fellow Southerner, I agree.

What has given us the Lost Causers and such is the same thing that gave us the Weimar Republic being subverted and subsumed by the Nazis and throwing the world into war again: the defeated and their ideologies were never truly defeated and, in fact, were allowed to fester for years unchecked by the powers that be.

Reconstruction should have been carried out as de-Nazification was, but political sabotage in Washington from the reemerging South scuttled it before it had a chance to effect lasting change.

131 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 9:21:16pm

re: #118 Lidane

The Confederate flag is a symbol of treason.

Some stupid college kid in his mass-produced-in-China Che Guevara T-shirt and Soviet flag on his dorm wall doesn’t offend me as much as some jackwagon flying a Confederate flag trying to tell me they’re a proud American. What the fuck ever. The Confederates were traitors.

Agreed, but be very careful who you say that to when south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Not only do many of them love to wave their stars and bars, to them Lincoln was the real villain of the Civil War and they still hate him.

132 OhNoZombies!  Nov 24, 2014 9:21:34pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

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Heh.

133 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:21:38pm

Just can’t wait to see Darren Wilson become a celebrity because of it. I’m sure Sean will have him on to give his “expert” opinion of Obama’s DOJ because you know who else to know about law enforcement than America’s favorite get away with killing someone unarmed scot free cop.

134 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:22:48pm

I can almost guarantee you Lifetime is going to make a movie out of this.

135 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:23:46pm

re: #130 TedStriker

As another fellow Southerner, I agree.

What has given us the Lost Causers and such is the same thing that gave us the Weimar Republic being subverted and subsumed by the Nazis and throwing the world into war again: the defeated and their ideologies were never truly defeated and, in fact, were allowed to fester for years unchecked by the powers that be.

Reconstruction should have been carried out as de-Nazification was, but political sabotage in Washington from the reemerging South scuttled it before it had a chance to effect lasting change.

That’s a great example and honestly it wouldn’t shock me if the Nazis borrowed some from the Lost Cause mythology especially with the “stab in back legend.” We know that the Nazis thought highly of the system of Jim Crow. Fact is absolutely, there’s a lot of parts of the south where the CSA never died and unfortunately you see a lot of north of the Mason-Dixon line politicos like our new “pal” Mr. Hansen from Nevada adopting the CSA as part of their pet cause too.

136 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:24:10pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

I can almost guarantee you Lifetime is going to make a movie out of this.

“based on Darren Wilson’s best selling book.”

137 Lidane  Nov 24, 2014 9:24:18pm

re: #131 palomino

Agreed, but be very careful who you say that to when south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Not only do many of them love to wave their stars and bars, to them Lincoln was the real villain of the Civil War and they still hate him.

I know that I’d be signing my own death certificate if I said that in East Texas. And lord knows there are plenty of racist dickbags here in the South who are convinced that Lincoln was a tyrant that inspired Hitler’s cruelty.

I’m not a fan of the Confederacy, but I also know where and when to say that.

138 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Nov 24, 2014 9:24:41pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

I can almost guarantee you Lifetime is going to make a movie out of this.

Lifetime? Aren’t all their movies about cheating husbands with secret lives?

139 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:25:42pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Just can’t wait to see Darren Wilson become a celebrity because of it. I’m sure Sean will have him on to give his “expert” opinion of Obama’s DOJ because you know who else to know about law enforcement than America’s favorite get away with killing someone unarmed scot free cop.

Fox News now has something that they didn’t have in wannabe George Zimmerman: a real, honest-to-God cop with a confirmed kill, free as a bird and ready to sing to the highest bidder.

140 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 9:26:14pm

re: #137 Lidane

I know that I’d be signing my own death certificate if I said that in East Texas. And lord knows there are plenty of racist dickbags here in the South who are convinced that Lincoln was a tyrant that inspired Hitler’s cruelty.

I’m not a fan of the Confederacy, but I also know where and when to say that.

I was born and raised in Houston. Never realized just how much I hated Texas until I lived somewhere else. Now I only go back to see my relatives who are trapped there.

141 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 9:26:45pm
142 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:26:51pm
143 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:27:02pm

You gotta love people who probably think real lynching wasn’t “so bad” or those lynched “deserved” likening people wanting Darren Wilson to actually face trial for what he did to the horrors of lynching because you know wanting someone to actually stand trial so we can find out what really happened is just like killing someone brutally without trial. Fuck it, I’m a full pledged cynic now on our judicial system. I’ve always been to a degree but this case and so many like it show that justice is far from blind, justice cares about your skin color.

144 #FergusonFireside  Nov 24, 2014 9:27:06pm

re: #88 palomino

Hostility directed at you is due to the things you post. Period.

What else could it possibly be? No one here really knows any more about you than what you post.

Ding ding.

145 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 9:27:09pm
146 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2014 9:27:16pm

National Guard only in affluent wealthy areas. Go figure.

147 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 9:28:08pm
148 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 9:28:51pm

Uh oh

149 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:29:14pm

re: #146 GlutenFreeJesus

National Guard only in affluent wealthy areas. Go figure.

Hey, Jay Nixon’s only protecting the people that vote for him.

(and, yes, I know he’s a Democrat, but, with his conduct in all of this, he might as well be a TPGOPer)

150 unproven innocence  Nov 24, 2014 9:29:45pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

I can almost guarantee you Lifetime is going to make a movie out of this.

There’s enough material for several, I think.

151 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 9:29:50pm

Here’s the entire case. Wilson’s testimony starts on page 195.
Scribd Document

152 OhNoZombies!  Nov 24, 2014 9:31:26pm

Ugh. I’ve had enough.
Time for a book about somewhere fake.
Night all.

153 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:31:53pm

What’s going to be tough is seeing people I love be almost giddy about the GJ not indicting. It’s easy to get angered by bigots on the internet and even in elected office but seeing that out of someone you love, it’s tough to see. I know that’s nothing to do what Mike’s family and friends are going through tonight of course.

154 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 9:32:24pm

155 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:33:45pm

re: #154 Viscous Obama

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Yeah people don’t like being shot at. Imagine that. The way he talks about Brown doesn’t even sound like someone talking about another person. He talks about Brown as if he were game in the wild.

156 Kid A  Nov 24, 2014 9:33:53pm

Wilson have carried a Taser but elected not to. Too uncomfortable.

157 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:33:59pm

“almost bulking up to run through the shots”

How large a part does fantasy play in Wilson’s life?

158 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:34:39pm

re: #157 jaunte

“almost bulking up to run through the shots”

How large a part does fantasy play in Wilson’s life?

Sounds like he was talking about the Hulk, not a real person.

159 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:35:40pm

It’s complete, badly written, bullshit.

160 austin_blue  Nov 24, 2014 9:37:38pm

re: #154 Viscous Obama

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“He was an animal, and I had to kill him.

Except for the fact that he was on his knees when I put the kill shot through through the top of his head that exited through his right cheek. That might have been a bit much.”

The fact that the Grand Jury didn’t hear from the witness.

161 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 9:37:47pm

Michael Brown’s gross injustice will go down as one of the more terrible injustices in the United States. I think of Leo Frank when I think of Michael Brown now; terrible injustice, completely out of line of the true American character. Michael Brown’s inalienable rights were arbitrarily taken away by a police officer, and the police officer’s bosses made sure he paid no consequence.

A sad day for the United States. A slap in the face to the “We hold these truths to be self evident” sentence in our Declaration of Independence.

162 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:38:25pm

re: #158 TedStriker

Sounds like he was talking about the Hulk, not a real person.

Or Hulk Hogan. Remember how he used to bulk up in a rage just before thrashing some poor bad guy at the end of the match.

Wilson seems to think of himself as some heroic David to Mike Brown’s scary imposing Goliath.

163 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 9:39:26pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh

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Hell, if they’re gonna burn something down, City Hall makes a lot more sense than Little Caesar’s.

Crappy pizza had far less to do with this tragic fiasco than the goings-on at City Hall.

Having said that, if you absolutely positively have to burn down a pizza place, Little Caesar’s is the correct choice.

164 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 9:39:59pm

TedNugent is dumbass

165 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:40:27pm

re: #162 Eclectic Cyborg

Or Hulk Hogan. Remember how he used to bulk up in a rage just before thrashing some poor bad guy at the end of the match.

Wilson seems to think of himself as some heroic David to Mike Brown’s scary imposing Goliath.

But, instead of a sling and a rock, Wilson had a 12-shot semi-auto pistol at the ready…and used every one of those bullets.

166 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 9:40:55pm
167 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 9:41:22pm

re: #164 Viscous Obama

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TedNugent is dumbass

What a caveman.

168 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:41:28pm

re: #164 Viscous Obama

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Says the guy who cries about tyranny the minute anyone so much as talks about reasonable gun laws. You’re nothing but a pathetic hypocrite Nugent. You cry about the big bad government but yet here you are applauding an officer of the law killing an unarmed person in cold blood.

169 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:41:43pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

What a caveman.

Look at him go.

170 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 9:42:11pm

re: #164 Viscous Obama

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TedNugent is dumbass

To an extremist piece of shit like Nugent, there are no nuances. Everything in life is like a western movie, and all the guys with badges are good, just like John Wayne.

171 Tigger2  Nov 24, 2014 9:42:47pm

re: #164 Viscous Obama

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TedNugent is dumbass

Nugent Fuck you 10,000 times You fucking racist.

172 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:43:20pm

Taking a break from the Ferguson stuff for a minute, I’d like to draw your attention to Ray Comfort’s latest evangelical themed film Audacity.

Youtube Video

Unlike his previous efforts, this one is not a documentary but a scripted film. He crowdsourced the funding and nearly doubled his $175 000 goal. It’s set to premiere early next year.

Based on this trailer it doesn’t seem quite as lame as other movies of the type but it IS Ray Comfort driven. Don’t know if I’ll try and sit through it or not.

173 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:43:31pm

re: #170 palomino

To an extremist piece of shit like Nugent, there are no nuances. Everything in life is like a western movie, and all the guys with badges are good, just like John Wayne.

Unless they work directly for Obama, then they’re worse than the SS, KGB, Taliban, combined.

174 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:44:15pm
175 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:46:06pm

re: #174 jaunte

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Man’s she’s living up to her name tonight. Imani is pissed.

(simply making an observation, not meant as an unfair judgment of her)

176 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 9:46:42pm

I’m not reading it….

177 psddluva4evah  Nov 24, 2014 9:46:57pm

see here’s the thing…some ask why did McCullough et al wait until nightfall to announce the decision.

Easy, allowing tensions to rise, anger to simmer and despair and chaos to marinate like a powder keg, wait for a time when darn near everyone ISN’T at work or school, then announce the decision, THEY ALREADY KNEW was coming (are some of us willing now to admit that Nixon et al, while they may NOT have known the outcome…cough…bullshit…cough)…then BOOM ignite the fuse and watch as the bomb goes off.

Now you have visual conformation to show to media and like-minded parties just waiting with baited breath for a reason to say “well see there, we knew THOSE people would turn violent”…

I always find it interesting when people say don’t react with vengence when someone literally has a boot at your throat. I guess it’s better to just swat at said boot or try to talk the boot wearing out of stomping your neck. Sometimes your first reaction is to fight…

178 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 9:48:48pm

re: #163 palomino

Hell, if they’re gonna burn something down, City Hall makes a lot more sense than Little Caesar’s.

Crappy pizza had far less to do with this tragic fiasco than the goings-on at City Hall.

All the businesses they’ve set on fire just doesn’t make any sense as to why. I believe the rioters who are burning those buildings vandalizing stores and looting are not legitimate protesters. Seeing an opportunity for chaos they came to Ferguson just for such reasons. They don’t know much about the reasons for the protests or even care.

179 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:49:34pm
180 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:50:13pm

re: #179 jaunte

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It’s the cult of valuing property more so than people.

181 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:51:12pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Not a small cult.

182 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 9:51:16pm

re: #164 Viscous Obama

183 Shvaughn  Nov 24, 2014 9:52:37pm

re: #154 Viscous Obama

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Obviously he wasn’t Michael Brown at all, but Bruce Banner.

184 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:52:51pm

re: #176 Jenner7

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I’m not reading it….

It’s as bad as you think:

To all of the pro Officer Wilson Supporters -

I would like to thank you all for standing up for me during this stressful time. Your support and dedication is amazing and it is still hard to believe that all of these people that I have never met are doing so much for me. I watched the CNN video we recorded at the rally on Saturday and it brought tears to my eyes.

All of you are simply amazing, and I don’t know how to thank you all enough. I wish I could attend meet you, hug you, and personally thank you for all of your continued support, however, due to my and my families safety I am unable to. Please don’t give this letter to any media or post it where they can see it. Relay the message of thanks to all and keep this letter private until the investigation is complete.

I want you all to know that I do get updates on the amount of support. Unfortunately, I don’t get to see all of the comments made through social media, but overall messages are relayed to me.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, and know that I would do the same for any of you.

Also please keep my family in blue in your hearts and prayers, they have all made a sacrifice to their own lives in order to work the excessive hours through the heat and rain to ensure that the riots and protests in Ferguson were as safe as they could be.

Thank you,

P.O. Darren Wilson

If this is genuine, the sonofabitch obviously thinks he’s done nothing wrong and that he’s the real victim in all of this, not the young black man he killed.

Makes me want to retch.

185 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:53:51pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

All the businesses they’ve set on fire just doesn’t make any sense as to why. I believe the rioters who are burning those buildings vandalizing stores and looting are not legitimate protesters. Seeing an opportunity for chaos they came to Ferguson just for such reasons. They don’t know much about the reasons for the protests or even care.

This is it actually. Provocateurs, agitators, just taking advantage of the situation.

186 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:54:00pm

re: #181 jaunte

Not a small cult.

Not at all. Our media fucking sucks.

187 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 9:54:05pm

re: #183 Shvaughn

Obviously he wasn’t Michael Brown at all, but Bruce Banner.

Today I learned

Mike Brown is a Klingon

188 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 9:54:53pm

re: #154 Viscous Obama

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My God…it is just like the movie myth of the “Magical Negro”, only he is using it in real ife to justify shooting a kid.

189 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2014 9:54:55pm
Also please keep my family in blue in your hearts and prayers, they have all made a sacrifice to their own lives in order to work the excessive hours through the heat and rain to ensure that the riots and protests in Ferguson were as safe as they could be.

Ummmmm….

190 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:55:17pm

re: #184 TedStriker

It’s as bad as you think:

If this is genuine, the sonofabitch obviously thinks he’s done nothing wrong and that he’s just a victim in all of this, not the young black man he killed.

Makes me want to retch.

I really could have gone without reading that but I guess I was going to eventually. He doesn’t seem to have one bit of guilt about taking another life. Not one bit. Hell even if it was in self defense or on a battlefield, I’d feel some guilt about taking another life. This guy. I don’t even know the word.

191 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 9:55:18pm

re: #187 Viscous Obama

Today I learned

Mike Brown is a Klingon

He would’ve stood a better chance against Wilson, to be sure.

I wonder how Wilson’s bat’leth skills are…my guess is, since the coward needed to dump a whole magazine into Brown to do the job, they’re not that great.

192 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:56:36pm
193 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 9:56:46pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

This is it actually. Provocateurs, agitators, just taking advantage of the situation.

Anarchists… professional assholes.

194 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 9:57:37pm

Limbaugh’s bush in the Missouri state capitol is emitting radioactivity

195 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 9:57:51pm
196 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 9:57:52pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

This is an interesting argument but I have to warn you, you’re painting quite a broad brush. Ferguson has seen people from all over the country converge and freely assemble for the past 100+ days. And you have the locals, the ones who’ve been harassed by police for minute shit, the young people who never seem to get a fair shot because of poor schools and (a theme) constant harassment by law enforcement.

I’m not excusing any of the acts of arson, vandalism and mayhem that is going on in St. Louis County tonight. I am pointing out the diverse and disparate crowd that Ferguson has been dealing with since Micheal Brown was murdered.

197 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 9:58:16pm

re: #192 jaunte

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Wonder if we’ll ever hear from anyone on the grand jury.

198 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 9:58:42pm
199 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:00:33pm

re: #198 jaunte

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You know, they could have saved us the trouble and resigned from the Stl County DA’s office and joined Wilson’d defense team. Where the hell was anyone advocating for the victim in this case on that prosecution? (It’s a rhetorical question so no need to answer directly) but damn.

200 Weet  Nov 24, 2014 10:00:55pm
201 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 10:01:12pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Wonder if we’ll ever hear from anyone on the grand jury.

How about this one?

202 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 10:01:26pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

All the businesses they’ve set on fire just doesn’t make any sense as to why. I believe the rioters who are burning those buildings vandalizing stores and looting are not legitimate protesters. Seeing an opportunity for chaos they came to Ferguson just for such reasons. They don’t know much about the reasons for the protests or even care.

That’s quite possibly true about the outside protesters. OTOH, riots aren’t logical events. When there were riots here in L.A., over 1000 buildings burned simultaneously. Most of those fires were started by local residents who were pissed off and powerless; they made a bad choice, but they weren’t necessarily outside agitators with a harmful agenda.

Angry crowds (even justifiably, as here) will often do things that no individual in the group would do if alone. So I don’t think we can neatly split the protesters into two groups: “legitimate” and outsiders. When passions are this high, people who are “good law abiding” citizens every other day of the year can easily get caught up in acts of civil unrest. Doesn’t make them evil career criminals, just people fed up with a racist system. People who, with much justification, feel as if their lives matter less to the majority of Americans than white lives.

203 funky chicken  Nov 24, 2014 10:01:47pm

re: #9 Aunty Entity Dragon

Wal Greens burning down in Ferguson.

Rioting and trashing health care facilities that the community depends upon doesn’t solve anything. Jim Hoft is scum, but I don’t support this kind of activity. I know that puts me in the minority here.

204 gwangung  Nov 24, 2014 10:01:57pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

All the businesses they’ve set on fire just doesn’t make any sense as to why. I believe the rioters who are burning those buildings vandalizing stores and looting are not legitimate protesters. Seeing an opportunity for chaos they came to Ferguson just for such reasons. They don’t know much about the reasons for the protests or even care.

Correct.

Locals on the spot reported on at least two other factions who tried to horn in: white anarchists and actual criminals locally. Well, actually, three…older outsiders who tried to take credit for their work.

This has been known for a long time.

205 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 10:02:56pm

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe the FBI should be keeping a closer eye on Anarchists.

There was a wave of anarchist terror before the Great Depression, not just in the US, but in other nations as well. McKinley and the President of the 3rd French Republic, Marie François Sadi Carnot, were assassinated.

What I am getting at here, is maybe we should be keeping track of the anarchists.

206 jaunte  Nov 24, 2014 10:03:13pm

re: #203 funky chicken

I know that puts me in the minority here.

I don’t think anyone here is applauding the burning.

207 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 10:03:17pm

re: #201 jaunte

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How about this one?

Jesus Fucking Jumping Dogshitballs.

208 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:03:17pm

re: #201 jaunte

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How about this one?

I swear, I think there’s a lot of white people that never got over the Civil Rights Movement. I still remember that we celebrated Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee on the same day as MLK and I’m not even 30 yet.

209 funky chicken  Nov 24, 2014 10:03:35pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Wonder if we’ll ever hear from anyone on the grand jury.

I assume they will be too afraid to speak about why they didn’t vote to indict. I certainly would be.

210 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:04:29pm

re: #209 funky chicken

I assume they will be too afraid to speak about why they didn’t vote to indict. I certainly would be.

True. Just would be nice to wonder what on earth was being thought.

211 Weet  Nov 24, 2014 10:06:13pm
212 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 10:07:08pm

re: #205 The War TARDIS

Maybe the FBI should be keeping a closer eye on Anarchists.

There was a wave of anarchist terror before the great depression, not just in the US, but in other nations as well. McKinley and the President of the 3rd French Republic, Marie François Sadi Carnot, were assassinated.

What I am getting at here, is maybe we should be keeping track of the anarchists.

Really???

Fer fucks sake…this is the same bullshit that the Pinkertons, Hoover and conservatives have been shoveling at us for over 100 years.

Blame the anarchists and the outside agitators while we shoot your kids, arrest your parents and destroy your civil rights and ability to work for anything but slave wages…and this as white militias and “conservative citizen councils” try to run you out of town for good.

Please. Stop. It.

it was nonsense in 1877. It didn’t get any better with age.

213 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 10:08:03pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I swear, I think there’s a lot of white people that never got over the Civil Rights Movement. I still remember that we celebrated Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee on the same day as MLK and I’m not even 30 yet.

Absolutely.

One example: John Kerry got 20% of the white vote in Alabama in 2004, in an election he lost by nearly 3 million votes nationally.

OTOH, in 2008, when Obama won the election by 10 million votes nationally, he only got 9% of the white vote in Alabama.

214 Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2014 10:09:43pm

re: #200 Weet

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I heard that, so I can confirm that is what was said.

215 teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2014 10:10:10pm

I’m outta here. Be excellent to each other.

216 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 10:10:19pm

re: #202 palomino

That’s quite possibly true. OTOH, when there were riots here in L.A., over 1000 buildings burned simultaneously. Most of those fires were started by local residents who were pissed off and powerless; they made a bad choice, but they weren’t necessarily outside agitators with a different agenda.

Angry crowds (even justifiably, as here) will often do things that no individual in the group would do if alone. So I don’t think we can neatly split the protesters into two groups: “legitimate” and outsiders. When passions are this high, people who are “good law abiding” citizens every other day of the year can easily get caught up in acts of civil unrest. Doesn’t make them evil career criminals, just people fed up with a racist system. People who, with much justification, feel as if their lives matter less to the majority of Americans than white lives.

I think tonight’s violence has been planned for weeks if not months by the individuals who are causing the trouble. I also think the locals have been planning peaceful protests which they were able to do without any problems tonight.

217 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 10:10:33pm

re: #212 Aunty Entity Dragon

But the anarchists are the ones making the protesters look bad now. I feel they will damage the ability of the Protesters in Ferguson to make a positive change.

218 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 10:10:34pm

Spouse and friend are back…so off to bed.

219 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:10:49pm

re: #213 palomino

Absolutely.

One example: John Kerry got 20% of the white vote in Alabama in 2004, in an election he lost by nearly 3 million votes nationally.

OTOH, in 2008, when Obama won the election by 10 million votes nationally, he only got 9% of the white vote in Alabama.

Deep south is full of examples of that. It really is amazing what you’ll hear some older white Southern males say when they think they’re in “safe company.”

220 Shvaughn  Nov 24, 2014 10:12:37pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

This is it actually. Provocateurs, agitators, just taking advantage of the situation.

And that’s just the cops!

221 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 24, 2014 10:12:58pm

re: #217 The War TARDIS

But the anarchists are the ones making the protesters look bad now. I feel they will damage the ability of the Protesters in Ferguson to make a positive change.

You don’t have to look at anarchists when we have decades of race related riots to compare in the US…and burning buildings figure in every single one of them from Rosewood and Tulsa to Watts and 1992 Los Angeles.

222 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2014 10:13:26pm

re: #177 psddluva4evah

Car fires and burning buildings don’t show up as well on tv in the daylight. And now they’ll be able to show the terrible aftermath in the morning when the sun is out. It’s all orchestrated.

223 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:14:30pm

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

224 funky chicken  Nov 24, 2014 10:15:00pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Taking a break from the Ferguson stuff for a minute, I’d like to draw your attention to Ray Comfort’s latest evangelical themed film Audacity.

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Unlike his previous efforts, this one is not a documentary but a scripted film. He crowdsourced the funding and nearly doubled his $175 000 goal. It’s set to premiere early next year.

Based on this trailer it doesn’t seem quite as lame as other movies of the type but it IS Ray Comfort driven. Don’t know if I’ll try and sit through it or not.

Would you actually pay for a ticket? I don’t like movies enough to watch one I paid for and then sneak into another one, but maybe you could catch a bootleg. Make a MST3000 thing if you do. I would probably sit through that.

225 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 10:15:05pm

re: #205 The War TARDIS

Maybe the FBI should be keeping a closer eye on Anarchists.

There was a wave of anarchist terror before the Great Depression, not just in the US, but in other nations as well. McKinley and the President of the 3rd French Republic, Marie François Sadi Carnot, were assassinated.

What I am getting at here, is maybe we should be keeping track of the anarchists.

They are always showing up at protests. I’m surprised they haven’t been monitored more then they are. If they had been and were stopped we might not have seen the Fawkes masks and maybe not be watching businesses and police cars burning on TV tonight.

226 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 10:15:17pm

re: #212 Aunty Entity Dragon

Really???

Fer fucks sake…this is the same bullshit that the Pinkertons, Hoover and conservatives have been shoveling at us for over 100 years.

Blame the anarchists and the outside agitators while we shoot your kids, arrest your parents and destroy your civil rights and ability to work for anything but slave wages…and this as white militias and “conservative citizen councils” try to run you out of town for good.

Please. Stop. It.

it was nonsense in 1877. It didn’t get any better with age.

I’m not really comfortable with that term “outside agitator.” It’s got way too much Jim Crow wrapped around it. It’s code for “those bad northern blacks” as opposed to “our good southern blacks who know their place.”

And even if many protesters are from “outside” (like the civil rights student activists killed in Miss. and Alabama) that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a destructive force. Many, if not most, probably show up because they hate injustice. Like the Catholic nuns and ACLU and NAACP members there. Most aren’t throwing Molotov cocktails or burning up inferior pizza restaurants.

227 The War TARDIS  Nov 24, 2014 10:17:28pm

re: #221 Aunty Entity Dragon

Very true. However, these anarchists are parasites, that are causing damage to very worthwhile movements, Perhaps help ways for the protesters to be able to put these clowns under Citizen’s Arrest, or something?

228 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:18:13pm

re: #226 palomino

I’m not really comfortable with that term “outside agitator.” It’s got way too much Jim Crow wrapped around it. It’s code for “those bad northern blacks” as opposed to “our good southern blacks who know their place.”

And even if many protesters are from “outside” (like the civil rights student activists killed in Miss. and Alabama) that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a destructive force. Many, if not most, probably show up because they hate injustice. Like the Catholic nuns and ACLU and NAACP members there. Most aren’t throwing Molotov cocktails or burning up inferior pizza restaurants.

It’s like that conversation that was being held about the Communist group that took on the Klan in Greensboro the other day. Most of the people who went there were people who really did believe in racial equality and standing up to the KKK face to face. I think most people protesting in Ferguson these past months have been people sincerely angry about what happened and tonight’s announcement infuriates them even more. That’s not to say I condone violence or destruction of property but I also understand anger when it feels like the people who are supposed to be society’s protectors are actually doing the total opposite.

229 funky chicken  Nov 24, 2014 10:19:52pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

True. Just would be nice to wonder what on earth was being thought.

I think they should release the transcript of the proceeding, but I guess that is not how it works with grand juries if they don’t indict.

230 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 10:19:54pm
231 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 10:20:43pm

The medical examiner said he didn’t take pictures of Brown because his camera died

WTF

232 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:21:42pm

re: #231 Viscous Obama

The medical examiner said he didn’t take pictures of Brown because his camera died

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WTF

Words can’t even describe. Man fuck.

233 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 10:22:50pm

re: #231 Viscous Obama

The medical examiner said he didn’t take pictures of Brown because his camera died

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WTF

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Words can’t even describe. Man fuck.

The fix was in before Brown bled out.

234 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 10:23:02pm
235 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:23:54pm

Where the hell was the “People’s” interest in obtaining any sort of justice for Michael Brown? Seems to me that the Ferguson and STL PD were eager to protect one of their own from the start and then of course the prosecutor who can’t bring himself to charge a cop with any crime because of his inability to handle cases involving cops breaking the law properly because his own father was an officer killed in the line of duty. I’m not trying to be callous to McCulloch for losing a father but he has no business being a district attorney if he can’t do cases that involve police officers breaking the law.

236 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 10:24:35pm

re: #231 Viscous Obama

The medical examiner said he didn’t take pictures of Brown because his camera died

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WTF

Obviously there were no batteries to be found any where in all of Ferguson.

237 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:25:04pm

re: #234 Viscous Obama

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Man if I didn’t have a job interview tomorrow, I’d get into my beer now because this is just making me more and more angry.

238 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 10:25:51pm
239 palomino  Nov 24, 2014 10:26:39pm

re: #216 NJDhockeyfan

I think tonight’s violence has been planned for weeks if not months by the individuals who are causing the trouble. I also think the locals have been planning peaceful protests which they were able to do without any problems tonight.

That all could be true. But do we really have much information yet—one way or the other—on possible plots like that?

240 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:26:42pm

This is what the 60’s felt like I imagine.

241 Shvaughn  Nov 24, 2014 10:28:58pm

re: #231 Viscous Obama

The medical examiner said he didn’t take pictures of Brown because his camera died

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WTF

What. The. Fucking. Fuck.

242 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 10:31:16pm

re: #241 Shvaughn

Further on the transcript says the county took pictures:

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243 Shvaughn  Nov 24, 2014 10:33:47pm

Okay. That’s a little better, but literally this is a case of YOU HAD ONE JOB

244 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 10:34:06pm
245 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 10:35:20pm
246 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 10:37:13pm
247 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 10:41:26pm
248 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 10:43:17pm

re: #247 Kragar

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I’m not a violent man, but I’d jump at the chance to beat the shit out of Kincannon, because he’s a fucking sadistic creep who gets off on stuff like this.

He is the RWNJ’s unrestrained id.

249 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 10:43:46pm
250 CarolJ  Nov 24, 2014 10:44:11pm

No pictures, but the Twitters now say it was a cop car outside the police station #Dellwood, not the station itself. And @Todd_Kincannon, you are a racist idiot who’s sorry that the South lost and black people have rights.

251 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:44:45pm

re: #247 Kragar

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Go piss in your klan robe Todd.

252 HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2014 10:46:02pm

re: #248 TedStriker

I’m not a violent man, but I’d jump at the chance to beat the shit out of Kincannon.

He is the RWNJ’s unrestrained id.

Hard to imagine he was once in charge of an entire state GOP. I mean yeah they’re bigots but this guy is worse than Rush.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 10:52:58pm

re: #239 palomino

That all could be true. But do we really have much information yet—one way or the other—on possible plots like that?

No but I’m seeing lots of tweets like this which tells me most of the people you are seeing on TV right now don’t live there.

254 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 24, 2014 10:53:47pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

This is what the 60’s felt like I imagine.

I was there. The difference is that in the Sixties we still believed that things could change. We still believed that peaceful protest would have an effect on the general public and on public officials. The intervening years have demonstrated just how wrong we were then. The system has insulated itself, one way or another, from the voice of the people on everything from gun control to endless war. The most pernicious thing that’s happened is that numbers of good people have become convinced that their voices and their votes count for nothing. Only those who feel strongly can be counted on to show up at the polls for every election and unfortunately for us the other side has more of them.

255 Tigger2  Nov 24, 2014 10:53:49pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

This is what the 60’s felt like I imagine.

The 60s were worse, but this isn’t over yet.

256 CarolJ  Nov 24, 2014 10:54:07pm

The cop that was shot was shot in the arm, and a suspect is in the hosue.

Todd Kincannon and his racist shit is exactly why there are protests,. If we treated racists like we treated drug dealers, we would have a saner society. Kincannon is begging for money on his time line. Tell him to get a job working for a black guy.

257 jonhendry  Nov 24, 2014 10:55:29pm

re: #256 CarolJ

“If we treated racists like we treated drug dealers”

Not so sure that would be such a good idea, considering the racist gangs in jails.

Probably better to treat them as drug *addicts*, with rehab.

258 Viscous Obama  Nov 24, 2014 10:57:46pm

re: #256 CarolJ

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Todd Kincannon and his racist shit is exactly why there are protests,. If we treated racists like we treated drug dealers, we would have a saner society. Kincannon is begging for money on his time line. Tell him to get a job working for a black guy.

Enforcing copyright is more important to most people than enforcing rules against hate speech.

259 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 11:01:12pm
260 Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2014 11:01:41pm
Seasons Greetings
261 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 11:03:06pm
262 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 11:05:04pm

This could become the biggest fire tonight.

263 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 11:05:23pm
264 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 11:09:39pm
265 Shvaughn  Nov 24, 2014 11:11:23pm

Goodnight, lizards.

266 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 11:18:43pm
267 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 24, 2014 11:22:29pm

Good night, all,

268 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 11:23:48pm
269 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 11:24:36pm
270 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 11:25:47pm

Above is what you WON’T see on TV.

271 CarolJ  Nov 24, 2014 11:29:35pm

vine.co

Peaceful assembly outside #Ferguson police department.

272 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 11:29:41pm
273 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 11:30:16pm

re: #271 CarolJ

That’s from October.

274 Weet  Nov 24, 2014 11:31:10pm

I keep hearing the same thing over and over on these newscasts:

There are no fire trucks trying to stop the fires.
The police are telling people (like the mayor in Delwood) that they do not feel ‘safe’ enough to bring in the fire trucks.
Yet there are either none or very few protesters around these fires.
And like they mayor of Delwood just said — he was promised that they would be protected, that there would be National Guard, and yet there is nobody there protecting them or their property.

I see this as a wink wink nod nod by the police.

275 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 11:33:33pm
276 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 24, 2014 11:35:41pm

re: #274 Weet

I keep hearing the same thing over and over on these newscasts:

There are no fire trucks trying to stop the fires.
The police are telling people (like the mayor in Delwood) that they do not feel ‘safe’ enough to bring in the fire trucks.
Yet there are either none or very few protesters around these fires.
And like they mayor of Delwood just said — he was promised that they would be protected, that there would be National Guard, and yet there is nobody there protecting them or their property.

I see this as a wink wink nod nod by the police.

The firefighters are being ordered to leave certain fires where shots are being fired. It’s for safety reasons. Some of the fires were being extinguished when they had to drop their hoses and take off.

277 Jenner7  Nov 24, 2014 11:38:06pm

That was the plan….and the media and this country will fall for it all….

278 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 11:42:11pm
279 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 11:44:46pm
280 TedStriker  Nov 24, 2014 11:47:50pm

Just a bit of OT diversion here:

Took the pic at Fort Donelson on Saturday; I like the shot because it looks like the eagle is looking towards that airplane streaking ahead thousands of feet above.

281 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 11:51:36pm
282 Kragar  Nov 24, 2014 11:53:00pm
283 Weet  Nov 25, 2014 12:20:34am

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

The firefighters are being ordered to leave certain fires where shots are being fired. It’s for safety reasons. Some of the fires were being extinguished when they had to drop their hoses and take off.

But Chris Hayes was standing right there near the burning buildings, and there were no protesters, and no fire trucks even nearby. 15 minutes of this. And the same with the mayor of Dellwood.

I heard the one story about the dropping of the hose. But that’s one story, and certainly was not what was going on in the film I saw.

There are some agitators out there firing bullets, for sure. But I’ll bet they didn’t catch the ones from out of town that planned to come riot.

284 Jenner7  Nov 25, 2014 12:43:16am
285 Weet  Nov 25, 2014 12:49:14am

Bottom line: Wilson knew that Missouri law allows him to shoot to kill, even in these circumstances. It has not been talked about enough. That law is unconstitutional (SCOTUS has ruled on a similar law).

Michael Brown, hands up, was being shot at. Apparently, and this is only what I heard on CNN, the evidence shows the gun casings just 8 feet from Brown’s body, and the assumption is that Brown did come back at Wilson (after being shot at with his hands up.)

286 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 12:55:35am

This guy (not the tweet) was retweeted by Kincannon. Would it qualify as a ToS violation?

287 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 1:20:46am

“I’m not a racist, I just subscribe to, listen to, enjoy and promote racists. I’m just a very serious person who doesn’t fall for outrageous outrages.”

288 klystron  Nov 25, 2014 1:23:24am

re: #287 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“I’m not a racist, I just subscribe to, listen to, enjoy and promote racists. I’m just a very serious person who doesn’t fall for outrageous outrages.”

Nope. You can’t make me go look.

289 Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2014 1:30:33am

The Dead Kennedys, proven prescient yet again.

Youtube Video

Tip ‘o the hat to Jello Biafra. Granted, the song’s about Dan White, but much of it still sadly holds true to this day.

*sigh*

290 EdDantes  Nov 25, 2014 1:56:36am

re: #285 Weet

That law is unconstitutional (SCOTUS has ruled on a similar law).

What law was that?

291 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 1:58:47am

Stinks here.

292 EdDantes  Nov 25, 2014 2:03:09am

re: #291 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Stinks everywhere. You’re point?

293 EdDantes  Nov 25, 2014 2:24:16am

Goodnight, all. Enjoy the aftermath of the Grand Jury decision.

294 Varek Raith  Nov 25, 2014 2:52:01am

I don’t think NJ’s a racist.
Just a pain in the ass.
;)

295 Varek Raith  Nov 25, 2014 2:53:08am

re: #293 EdDantes

Goodnight, all. Enjoy the aftermath of the Grand Jury decision.

You on the other hand….

296 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 3:06:02am

This whole Ferguson thing sucks. I just finished a busy day, and am trying to catch up on the shit hitting the fan.

297 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 3:09:36am

It was the same story as the Zimmermann killing: the police did their “job” of making sure that no jury could come up with enough undisputed evidence for an indictment/conviction.

Until we address the ability of police departments to suppress, delay or otherwise compromise evidence, incidents like these will continue.

298 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 25, 2014 3:12:39am

Does a defendant normally testify at a grand jury? Just curious.

299 Lidane  Nov 25, 2014 3:13:25am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I swear, I think there’s a lot of white people that never got over the Civil Rights Movement. I still remember that we celebrated Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee on the same day as MLK and I’m not even 30 yet.

Forget the Civil Rights Movement —there are still white people who haven’t gotten over the South losing in 1865.

300 Kragar  Nov 25, 2014 3:14:17am
301 Lidane  Nov 25, 2014 3:15:42am

re: #233 TedStriker

The fix was in before Brown bled out.

Yep.

From the moment that first bullet was fired, Darren Wilson knew he was safe.

302 Kragar  Nov 25, 2014 3:26:00am
303 Varek Raith  Nov 25, 2014 3:58:11am

re: #231 Viscous Obama

The medical examiner said he didn’t take pictures of Brown because his camera died

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WTF

What the fuck is this bullshit?
Camera died? GET ANOTHER FREAKING ONE!
Unless his dog ate that one.
FFS.

304 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 25, 2014 3:59:30am

re: #303 Varek Raith

What the fuck is this bullshit?
Camera died? GET ANOTHER FREAKING ONE!
Unless his dog ate that one.
FFS.

Not only that, but it’s not like Brown was going anywhere. He could have went to the corner store and picked up a battery, or, if it was lithium ion, waited for the battery to charge up before taking the photo.

Incompetence.

305 Lidane  Nov 25, 2014 4:01:21am

re: #304 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Incompetence.

Not incompetence. Institutional corruption.

306 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 25, 2014 4:05:02am

OK, so I’m not up on how grand juries work, but on another site, someone mentioned that the prosecutor presented all the evidence on both sides to the GJ, but that normally, prosecutors only present the evidence that would lead to an indictment. Is that the case?

Wish lawhawk was around.

307 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 4:07:01am

re: #306 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

OK, so I’m not up on how grand juries work, but on another site, someone mentioned that the prosecutor presented all the evidence on both sides to the GJ, but that normally, prosecutors only present the evidence that would lead to an indictment. Is that the case?

Wish lawhawk was around.

Prosecutors don’t usually present any evidence for the defense and the accused isn’t usually allowed to testify unless you want him on record so you can charge him with perjury and they sure as hell aren’t allowed to have their own experts testify.

308 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 4:08:03am

re: #304 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Not only that, but it’s not like Brown was going anywhere. He could have went to the corner store and picked up a battery, or, if it was lithium ion, waited for the battery to charge up before taking the photo.

Incompetence.

Or had someone deliver one from the office to him, or borrowed a camera, or carried two different cameras or batteries with him, etc., etc.

309 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 4:10:01am

A different kind of kitteh picture.

Tiger cub preemie, Kunming, Yunnan, China

A tiger cub is caressed inside an incubator at a wildlife park in Kunming, Yunnan province, November 24, 2014. The newly born baby tiger was sent into the incubator due to poor health, according to the park management. (REUTERS/Wong Campion)
news.yahoo.com

310 Varek Raith  Nov 25, 2014 4:21:02am

Java is annoying me.
Stop crashing!

311 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 4:45:57am
312 EmmaRoberts  Nov 25, 2014 4:48:47am

There certainly was a lot of B.S. flying around. Most of it concerned Brown having his hands up, or being 150 ft away, yelling “don’t shoot”, Wilson trying to pull Brown through the window, etc., etc. Please read the grand jury evidence. There is no way a rational jury could convict Wilson. The evidence of his innocence is just overwhelming. I hope those who pushed the false narrative despite the evidence are proud of what has come about in Ferguson.

313 Frenchy  Nov 25, 2014 5:01:44am

re: #312 EmmaRoberts

Dim Jim in disguise?

314 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 5:02:08am
315 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:03:47am

re: #312 EmmaRoberts

‘Innocence overwhelming’. Wow.
Any way you break down this situation, from shot one to McCulloch’s shitty speech this is a perfect example of how power can work to forestall justice. Where most injustices take place under wraps and in darkened rooms this unfolded bit by bit right in front of our eyes.
The only proud people tonight, happy about this non-indictment, are those who’ve relished how easy it is to portray a black man as a criminal deserving of death.
Thanks so much for clarifying your position.

316 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 5:04:29am
317 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 5:07:33am
318 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:08:29am

re: #316 Dr. Matt

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Fuck, it works don’t it?

319 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 5:10:28am

re: #318 Alyosha

Fuck, it works don’t it?

Sadly, yes.

320 BigPapa  Nov 25, 2014 5:11:06am

So after being shot at inside the car and running away, Mike Brown stopped, turned around, and ran at Wilson?

Bull.Fucking.Shit.

321 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:14:38am

Plus I’m sure that the authorities are very proud of the skillfully executed Grand Jury result as well as the resulting unrest. The establishment that had a murder so in hand from the first moment that a trial was never going to happen can now pretend to be besieged by savages as well.
I don’t think even Machievelli could have staged such a turn.

322 EmmaRoberts  Nov 25, 2014 5:16:42am

re: #320 BigPapa

1) He was first shot in the hand, not the legs or chest.

2) This is the testimony of numerous witnesses - all of them black, mind you. This testimony also matches exactly with the physical evidence.

323 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 5:17:06am
324 BigPapa  Nov 25, 2014 5:17:58am

This case has taken Wilson’s statements at face value, statements which were taken well after the incident.

Based on an incredible assortment of facts: Mike Brown, after being shot in the initial scuffle at the car, ran away, stopped, turned around, from 150+ feet away, then ‘charged’ Wilson, who then fired two barrages of bullets.

Makes absolutely no sense.

325 BigPapa  Nov 25, 2014 5:20:50am

re: #322 EmmaRoberts

That is the testimony of Wilson only. Not many witnesses. Wilson is the only person who said Brown ‘ran’ or ‘charged’ Wilson.

Not in the mood for bullshit this morning.

326 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:21:15am

re: #322 EmmaRoberts

1) He was first shot in the hand, not the legs or chest.

2) This is the testimony of numerous witnesses many of them black. mind you. And it matches exactly with the physical evidence.

That he was shot at all is kinda bizarre to me. What the fuck are you getting at and are you also forgetting about the headshot?
You must be really clever in addition to being well-informed…

327 EmmaRoberts  Nov 25, 2014 5:22:31am

re: #315 Alyosha

Brown was certainly criminal, but I don’t think he “deserved” death. Fifteen to twenty years for strong arm robbery and the assault and attempted murder of a police officer would have been the most just outcome.

328 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 5:23:33am

re: #312 EmmaRoberts

There was not enough evidence for a grand jury to indict him, which is the result of the Ferguson PD doing their best to make sure that evidence did not reach their hands at all or in an uncompromised state.

329 Frenchy  Nov 25, 2014 5:23:49am

re: #327 EmmaRoberts

And you’re certainly a sad sack of shit.

330 EmmaRoberts  Nov 25, 2014 5:24:56am

re: #325 BigPapa

Sorry, there were numerous witnesses from the neighborhood that backed up Wilson’s story. Please see the grand jury testimony.

“Dang if that kid didn’t start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down.”

331 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 5:25:00am

re: #327 EmmaRoberts

Brown was certainly criminal, but I don’t think he “deserved” death. Fifteen to twenty years for strong arm robbery and the assault and attempted murder of a police officer would have been the most just outcome.

White kid gets caught shoplifting, has to write an essay about “Stealing is bad mmkay”

Black kid gets caught shoplifting, death sentence.

332 BigPapa  Nov 25, 2014 5:25:09am

Attempted murder? Wow.

333 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:26:02am

re: #327 EmmaRoberts

Brown was certainly criminal, but I don’t think he “deserved” death. Fifteen to twenty years for strong arm robbery and the assault and attempted murder of a police officer would have been the most just outcome.

Even your prescription of jail time for petty theft for a man of colour who has no prior conviction tells me all I need to know about you. Are you fucking serious? C’mon.

334 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 5:26:42am

re: #327 EmmaRoberts

Just go the fuck away. Really.

335 Shazam  Nov 25, 2014 5:30:11am

Black witnesses siding with Wilson long after the fact count for a lot to some people, while the more numerous witnesses, including white ones, who sided with Brown immediately after the fact count for nothing at all. Those some people are racists, btw.

336 BigPapa  Nov 25, 2014 5:30:50am

re: #330 EmmaRoberts

Sorry, there were numerous witnesses from the neighborhood that backed up Wilson’s story. Please see the grand jury testimony.

“Dang if that kid didn’t start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down.”

Where was this?

337 Frenchy  Nov 25, 2014 5:31:16am

re: #335 Shazam

Now, now, let’s not jump to conclusions. I’m willing to bet that Emma Roberts has a friend who is black, or maybe even more than one.

338 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:31:45am

First fuckin’ question people ask me when I talk about how Brown died: ‘was he a criminal?’ WTF!?

YOU HEARD ME SAY UNARMED, RIGHT?!?!

Ohhhhh, shit…. I said he was black didn’t I?

My bad. /

339 Shazam  Nov 25, 2014 5:32:25am

McCulloch presented a version of reality that white people can be comfortable with. The best those people can do is shut up and go away, but instead they’ll play concern troll until they’re blue in the face.

340 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:33:04am

re: #337 Frenchy

Now, now, let’s not jump to conclusions. I’m willing to bet that Emma Roberts has a friend who is black, or maybe even more than one.

But would she let them use her toilet?

341 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:33:58am

re: #312 EmmaRoberts

There certainly was a lot of B.S. flying around. Most of it concerned Brown having his hands up, or being 150 ft away, yelling “don’t shoot”, Wilson trying to pull Brown through the window, etc., etc. Please read the grand jury evidence. There is no way a rational jury could convict Wilson. The evidence of his innocence is just overwhelming. I hope those who pushed the false narrative despite the evidence are proud of what has come about in Ferguson.

342 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:34:49am

re: #340 Alyosha

But would she let them use her toilet?

She had a separate, but equal, toilet installed.

343 BigPapa  Nov 25, 2014 5:35:16am

re: #335 Shazam

Yes, it appears any corroboration for Wilson’s incredulous story is taken as entirely valid. Any information or witness testimony contradictory… well, ‘witness testimony can be very unreliable’ and ‘the story matches the evidence.’

344 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:39:28am

re: #342 Franklin

She had a separate, but equal, toilet installed.

Pretty sure any black friends she might have had wouldn’t even grace her throne with their shit.

345 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 5:42:42am

re: #344 Alyosha

Pretty sure any black friends she might have had wouldn’t even grace her throne with their shit.

They call her “Two-slice Emma”

346 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:42:59am
347 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 5:43:51am

re: #341 Franklin

Wil Wheaton’s remark is what bothers me most. If Wilson had not been a cop, there would have likely been an indictment and the case would have gone to trial. But an officer was involved, and the de facto approach in most of this cases is to assume the cop’s testimony is more reliable than anyone else’s, because he’s the cop.

348 Shazam  Nov 25, 2014 5:44:04am

Probably not a she nor actually named Emma Roberts. That’s an actress (niece of Julia Roberts). Probably a troll account of a middle aged man with a thing for a 20 something actress.

349 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:46:07am

re: #345 The Vicious Fergushka

They call her “Two-slice Emma”

Would that happen to be from ‘The Help’? I’m grasping here!!

350 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:46:54am

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

You have an issue with his remark as in you agree with him, or think he is wrong. It’s obvious you think it should have gone to trial, which is what Wil is saying as well. I saw more than a few people last night think he was saying justice was served.

351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 5:47:03am

re: #341 Franklin

If only there were some process, perhaps a legal process, to present conflicting accounts and statements, weigh them, and come to a verdict.

That system does not work unless we can be assured that evidence is collected promptly, thoroughly and uncompromisingly, and delivered to the jurors in that condition.

352 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:47:11am

re: #349 Alyosha

Would that happen to be from ‘The Help’? I’m grasping here!!

Bingo. Great movie.

353 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 5:47:30am

re: #349 Alyosha

Would that happen to be from ‘The Help’? I’m grasping here!!

354 Shazam  Nov 25, 2014 5:47:59am

re: #350 Franklin

You have an issue with his remark as in you agree with him, or think he is wrong. It’s obvious you think it should have gone to trial, which is what Wil is saying as well. I saw more than a few people last night think he was saying justice was served.

I for one caught his meaning. People think the grand jury was a trial and Wilson was acquitted. Instead the jurors decided it’s not a matter worth trying.

355 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:48:53am

re: #352 Franklin

re: #353 The Vicious Fergushka

I amaze myself sometimes. Thanx!!

356 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 5:49:27am

re: #350 Franklin

You have an issue with his remark as in you agree with him, or think he is wrong. It’s obvious you think it should have gone to trial, which is what Wil is saying as well. I saw more than a few people last night think he was saying justice was served.

Yeah, I didn’t express myself clearly. I am agreeing with Wil, because I take issue with the same failure in criminal justice as Wil.

357 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 5:51:38am

re: #317 The Vicious Fergushka

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Or any time the West Virginia Mountaineers lose a football game:
google.com

358 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:52:19am

re: #356 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Yeah, I didn’t express myself clearly. I am agreeing with Wil, because I take issue with the same failure in criminal justice as Wil.

Thats what I thought. It was said a million times last night but, the same people that question the Benghazi inquiry exonerating the administration, say justice was served and the GJ is infallible.

359 Frenchy  Nov 25, 2014 5:52:20am

re: #351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t know how likely it is, but I really hope that the DoJ can figure out a way to bring charges against those who quite deliberately mishandled this investigation in an effort to bring about this injustice.

360 Sherlock Hound  Nov 25, 2014 5:53:19am

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

I loved Imani when she was writing for the Other Blog. She could tell me to eff off and die and it’d be a pleasure to read it!

361 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:53:25am

Today is a headphones at work kind of day. The water cooler is WAY too close to my desk.

362 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 5:54:19am

re: #354 Shazam

I for one caught his meaning. People think the grand jury was a trial and Wilson was acquitted. Instead the jurors decided it’s not a matter worth trying.

Wil’s tweet only makes sense if the reader understands what a GJ is and does. The GJ just decides whether there’s enough evidence to take a case to trial. Usually, as others here have noted, it is rare in a death-related case for a GJ NOT to indict. Thus, the accusations that McCullough and the PD were in cahoots to persuade the GJ to not send the case to trial.

363 darthstar  Nov 25, 2014 5:54:48am

Good morning.

364 freetoken  Nov 25, 2014 5:54:59am

What you always suspected is, at least in this case, apparently true:

Hand Dryers Spread Bacteria in Public Toilets

Modern hand dryers are much worse than paper towels when it comes to spreading germs, according to new University of Leeds research.

Scientists from the University of Leeds have found that high-powered ‘jet-air’ and warm air hand dryers can spread bacteria in public toilets. Airborne germ counts were 27 times higher around jet air dryers in comparison with the air around paper towel dispensers.

The study shows that both jet and warm air hand dryers spread bacteria into the air and onto users and those nearby.

[…]

365 darthstar  Nov 25, 2014 5:55:19am

Something positive to start the day - a kidnapped US serviceman rescued.

366 EmmaRoberts  Nov 25, 2014 5:56:41am

Wow, lots of ad hominem invective above. I was Emma Roberts before the actress. Sorry to interrupt your cult-like belief system about what happened in this case. I’ll go away, resume ignoring the facts and being delusional.

367 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 5:56:47am
368 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 5:58:19am

I just wish people wold stop retweeting the 538 story about FEDERAL grand juries as it has no relation to this situation.

It’s Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do What Ferguson’s Just Did

re: #362 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Wil’s tweet only makes sense if the reader understands what a GJ is and does. The GJ just decides whether there’s enough evidence to take a case to trial. Usually, as others here have noted, it is rare in a death-related case for a GJ NOT to indict. Thus, the accusations that McCullough and the PD were in cahoots to persuade the GJ to not send the case to trial.

It would be a far more productive analysis to look into the bolded above.

369 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 5:58:27am

re: #365 darthstar

Something positive to start the day - a kidnapped US serviceman rescued.

But if Homeland (a show I’ve never seen) has taught me anything, it’s that captured US personnel are not to be trusted. Just what is Obama’s angle?

370 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 5:59:42am

re: #364 freetoken

The study would also suggest that people do a shitty job (as it were) in washing their hands. The bacteria count should be minimal if the soap and water were used correctly before drying their hands.

371 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 6:01:06am

re: #370 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

The study would also suggest that people do a shitty job (as it were) in washing their hands. The bacteria count should be minimal if the soap and water were used correctly before drying their hands.

Would help if there was soap in the dispensers…

372 BigPapa  Nov 25, 2014 6:01:18am

re: #366 EmmaRoberts

Supply some facts and verification or GTFO.

373 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 6:02:30am

re: #369 Alyosha

But if Homeland (a show I’ve never seen) has taught me anything, it’s that captured US personnel are not to be trusted. Just what is Obama’s angle?

Watching Homeland has taught me that producers and networks need to know when to pull the plug.

374 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 6:02:32am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Would help if there was soap in the dispensers…

Well, yeah. I’ve had that happen, too.

375 Alyosha  Nov 25, 2014 6:02:49am

re: #366 EmmaRoberts

Wow, lots of ad hominem invective above. I was Emma Roberts before the actress. Sorry to interrupt your cult-like belief system about what happened in this case. I’ll go away, resume ignoring the facts and being delusional.

The ad hominem I saw was assuming Mike Brown’s indiscretions rose to the level of capital offense. Bottle your tears now. They’re unlikely to increase in value.

376 Sherlock Hound  Nov 25, 2014 6:03:18am

There was a comment downstairs about how the federal government was forced to act on civil rights in the 1960’s, and the blowback from that.

I had another thought: Back then, there was a broad middle class. Yes, it was mostly white. Yes, it wasn’t real for most blacks and minorities.

But there was a broad, and mostly content, and most of all, well-off, middle class.

They had leisure time to watch the National Guard, Bull Connor, the firehoses, and all of that on TV. “The whole world is watching” in 1968.

Who’s got that now?

The 1% have made it such that most people have to spend valuable emotional energy keeping their heads above water. No time for community or context or simply looking around at the world as it is.

If you think the elites are not counting on that fact, you’re kidding yourselves.

377 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 6:03:22am

re: #374 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Well, yeah. I’ve had that happen, too.

My fave was a public restroom at the airport in Prestwick, Scotland. No soap, separate hot and cold taps and no stopper…

378 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 6:04:46am

re: #376 Sherlock Hound

The 1% have made it such that most people have to spend valuable emotional energy keeping their heads above water. No time for community or context or simply looking around at the world as it is.

If you think the elites are not counting on that fact, you’re kidding yourselves.

Those people are also fed the message that the more “free stuff” minorities get, the harder the rest have to work to pay for it.

379 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 6:05:02am

re: #377 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My fave was a public restroom at the airport in Prestwick, Scotland. No soap, separate hot and cold taps and no stopper…

Also: Automatic paper towel dispensers are the tools of the devil, also gremlins.

380 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 6:08:52am

re: #368 Franklin

I just wish people wold stop retweeting the 538 story about FEDERAL grand juries as it has no relation to this situation.

It’s Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do What Ferguson’s Just Did

It would be a far more productive analysis to look into the bolded above.

Someone here (sorry, I’ve forgotten who) noted that prosecutors who want a trial will push grand juries toward indictments, and generally get what they want. McCullough pretty clearly wanted quite the opposite, and got what he wanted.

But I have another legal issue to raise. Could Michael Brown’s family file a civil suit against Wilson, the PD and anyone else involved?

381 bill d  Nov 25, 2014 6:10:14am

So has Anonymous brought justice to the world yet?

382 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 6:10:28am

re: #380 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Someone here (sorry, I’ve forgotten who) noted that prosecutors who want a trial will push grand juries toward indictments, and generally get what they want. McCullough pretty clearly wanted quite the opposite, and got what he wanted.

But I have another legal issue to raise. Could Michael Brown’s file a civil suit against Wilson, the PD and anyone else involved?

Sure, they can file a suit (presumably in either Missouri or federal court). Hard to say if they would win any money or much the city would settle the case for.

383 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 6:10:49am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I have known and seen racism and discrimination. I have known and experienced privilege.

And I have the common sense to distinguish between the two.

Ferguson is a place that is riddled with racism and discrimination. The police are known by all to engage in discrimination and racism. The state has disbanded police departments for racism and other malfeasance. Darren Wilson belonged to one such department to start his career. He came to Ferguson where the Department has long had issues in policing the community. All but a handful of officers are white in a community that is overwhelmingly black.

Blacks are stopped far more frequently than white (when adjusting per capita). That’s despite fact that whites that are stopped are found to have contraband in higher rates.

In this respect, Ferguson is hardly alone. Many other communities around the St. Louis region (and indeed nationally) face the same problems.

But the specifics of this case are exceptionally troubling. Only Wilson was able to speak to what happened - and it was couched from the outset that he feared for his life when he stopped Brown. Both were the same height (Brown had 70 pounds on him). All the shots were fired by Wilson. And Brown lay dead more than 150 feet from the vehicle, in about a minute after the stop was initiated by Wilson.

All the eyewitness evidence was disregarded or minimized by the fact that Wilson feared for his life. That there’s no bruising apparent from the photos taken hours later. Yet, he thought he was a punch or two from being disabled?

McCullough had all the evidence necessary to indict, but presented everything in a fashion that made indictment unlikely. McCullough never intended to indict - this was for show. And McCullough is part of the vary institutions that allow the racism to persist.

Now, none of this excuses the looting and violence in Ferguson. Why these people think that the response to the failure to indict is to loot and burn down businesses that serve the very community are boggling. At the same time, the police seemed to have wanted to incite this further - firing round after round of tear gas and smoke indiscriminately against protesters - peaceful or otherwise. Yet, those actions seem to get overlooked in the face of the rioting and looting.

And the looting/violence takes away the indisputable fact - Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown and will not be tried in a Missouri state court for those actions because the prosecutor manipulated the process not to look to the facts, but to protect a cop.

384 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 6:11:02am

re: #379 Timothy Watson

Also: Automatic paper towel dispensers are the tools of the devil, also gremlins.

Many Chinese public restrooms have neither paper towels nor air dryers, so you’ll see a lot of people here doing the hand shimmy-shake after they leave. Lots of fun when it’s below freezing outside.

385 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 25, 2014 6:13:34am

Apropos of nothing here, I just found out my karma is over 14,000. Woh!

386 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 25, 2014 6:14:35am

re:
#379

Also: Automatic paper towel dispensers are the tools of the devil, also gremlins.

Just proof that the Devil exists. /

387 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 25, 2014 6:16:48am

re:
#366

Shucks, I sure do loves me some actress Emma Roberts.

388 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 6:17:58am

The other day I was idling outside my kids school during morning dropoff waiting for my wife to come back from bringing them in. I was one of ten cars doing the same thing. It’s a pretty busy road/intersection where they don’t like you to hold up traffic.

State police officer walks by my car and when he gets to the two cars in front of me asks both drivers to get out. Scolds both of them and tells them to get moving and stop holding up traffic. I’ll give you three guesses to the race of all involved. First two don’t count.

Same privilege I’ve been afforded my whole life.

389 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 6:18:09am

re: #380 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Brown’s family most certainly can file civil suit. That suit would normally follow the criminal trial. Since that isn’t happening, it will probably be filed pending whether the DoJ files its own civil rights charges against Wilson, FPD, etc.

Just because the GJ refused to indict doesn’t mean that a civil case can’t proceed.

390 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 25, 2014 6:20:43am

re: #383 lawhawk

At the same time, the police seemed to have wanted to incite this further - firing round after round of tear gas and smoke indiscriminately against protesters - peaceful or otherwise. Yet, those actions seem to get overlooked in the face of the rioting and looting.

And …

The timing of the announcement of the grand jury’s decision has come into question: Local authorities had moved for a daytime reveal to avoid the violent protests Ferguson saw in August, but “asked about the timing,” the New York Times reports,” Nixon said “it had been the choice of Mr. McCulloch.”

Gawker

391 Romantic Heretic  Nov 25, 2014 6:21:15am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Stealing cigars means you should die. Seriously, I’ve seen that exact mindset on the internet that Brown deserved to pay with his life because of what he did. There’s too many fucking people especially fucking conservatives who think people are deserving of death.

As I’ve said before I don’t regard these people as conservatives. They are revolutionaries. It is their intention to burn the country to the ground and then rebuild it in a manner more suited to their authoritarian mindset.

Then they’ll start exporting it to other countries in the same manner as the Bolsheviks did. Living in the country next door to you that scares the living shit out of me.

392 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 6:24:57am
393 Romantic Heretic  Nov 25, 2014 6:25:11am

re: #99 Aunty Entity Dragon

We need to calm down.

Not going to happen, unfortunately. Too many people high on anger.

394 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 25, 2014 6:25:19am

re: #391 Romantic Heretic

As I’ve said before I don’t regard these people as conservatives. They are revolutionaries. It is their intention to burn the country to the ground and then rebuild it in a manner more suited to their authoritarian mindset.

Then they’ll start exporting it to other countries in the same manner as the Bolsheviks did. Living in the country next door to you that scares the living shit out of me.

Mexico has their own heinous shit to deal with, speaking of next door neighbors. I just hope the Canadians can kick the conservatives out of power before it’s too late.

395 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 6:28:28am

File this under: “Things you won’t hear from the MSM [or milquetoast Dems]”

396 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 6:30:34am

Despite the GOP naysayers and right wingers who keep talking crap, the economy is growing pretty robustly. 3.6%.

And now there’s word that oil prices may slip even further because of slack demand in Asia and Europe. It’ll hurt Russia pretty hard, along with the likes of high-cost-to-extract countries, including Venezuela. So, OPEC might resolve to cut production to support prices where they are.

All this favors US economic growth too. Lower energy costs means transport and production of goods is cheaper, more money goes to buying goods, and stimulates the economy further.

So, watch for Fox to complain that lower energy prices will hurt the economy. It’s what they do.

397 Romantic Heretic  Nov 25, 2014 6:32:15am

re: #154 Viscous Obama

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People that are dying look that way.

Officer Wilson, you are a twat. You shouldn’t be allowed to play with anything sharper than a rubber ball.

398 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 6:33:06am

re: #336 BigPapa

Where was this?

Pretty sure that was a written account from the self-evidently racist witness.

399 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 6:33:11am

re: #396 lawhawk

I win! :)

400 darthstar  Nov 25, 2014 6:35:09am
401 Romantic Heretic  Nov 25, 2014 6:39:03am

re: #205 The War TARDIS

Maybe the FBI should be keeping a closer eye on Anarchists.

There was a wave of anarchist terror before the Great Depression, not just in the US, but in other nations as well. McKinley and the President of the 3rd French Republic, Marie François Sadi Carnot, were assassinated.

What I am getting at here, is maybe we should be keeping track of the anarchists.

They call themselves ‘Libertarians’ these days. The new title makes them sound like better people.

402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 6:47:01am

re: #396 lawhawk

MORE: U.S. economy grew at 3.9 percent, yielding strongest back-to-back quarters of growth since 2003:

Unfortunately, very little of this growth is being felt by the people who need it most.

403 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 6:47:48am

re: #396 lawhawk

404 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 6:47:56am

re: #383 lawhawk

Wilson didn’t just say disabled—he said he feared it would be fatal. It’s absurd on its face.

405 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 6:49:01am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

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Grubergate!!!

406 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 6:49:40am

re: #404 Mike Lamb

Wilson didn’t just say disabled—he said he feared it would be fatal. It’s absurd on its face.

Classic SYG defense: “I feared for my life, so I just had to shoot to kill”

407 Frenchy  Nov 25, 2014 6:49:52am

re: #404 Mike Lamb

This whole charade is really just a slap in the face to any reasonable and fair-minded person. From the word go, everyone involved has made an absolute mockery of the notion of justice.

408 darthstar  Nov 25, 2014 6:53:09am

Time to clear my mind…and walk the dogs.

409 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 25, 2014 6:53:13am

I tweeted it last night and I’ll say it here. I don’t believe in hell but if I did there’d be a special place reserved for Bob McColloch.

410 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 6:54:14am

re: #406 Dr. Matt

He feared for his life so much that he fired a volley of shots.

Paused.

And then fired enough shots to kill him, including through the top of Brown’s head.

The pause is critical. He had a chance to stop firing and to apprehend Brown (if that was ever entered his thought process let alone wait for backup to arrive).

He then fired to kill. And there is photographic evidence that he stood over Brown as he lay dying or was already dead despite McCullough’s claims to the contrary.

McCullough sought to blame everyone but himself for not getting an indictment. If McCullough wanted an indictment, he could have put on a case in chief to direct an indictment. He never had any intention of doing so. His obfuscation and misdirection during last night’s presser is proof of that.

411 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 6:54:34am

re: #408 darthstar

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Time to clear my mind…and walk the dogs.

I suspect we’ll still be hearing about Benghazi in 2064.

412 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 25, 2014 6:56:01am

re: #406 Dr. Matt

Classic SYG defense: “I feared for my life, so I just had to shoot to kill”

Police get to use that all the time..not matter how absurd the facts become.

The idiot SC cop who shot a black motorist last August who was retrieving his wallet upon requst from the cop?

“He aggressively dove into his car”

It’s been the same old thing since the 14th amendment was enacted. Black men have magical super powers that turn them into ravening killer monsters and you have to shoot them on sight.

I am sick and fucking tired of “conversations” and “dialogues” on race and police shootings. Not one damned thing has chaged in this respect in a century…and any police officer can walk up to a black man, shoot him on camera and in front of witnesses and 99 times out of 100, he will not only walk, but be lauded.

THe SC cop is one of the very few I know of who has been indicted..and he will still almost certainly be aquitted at trial.

413 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 6:56:40am

re: #410 lawhawk

He feared for his life so much that he fired a volley of shots.

Paused.

And then fired enough shots to kill him, including through the top of Brown’s head.

The pause is critical. He had a chance to stop firing and to apprehend Brown (if that was ever entered his thought process let alone wait for backup to arrive).

He then fired to kill. And there is photographic evidence that he stood over Brown as he lay dying or was already dead despite McCullough’s claims to the contrary.

McCullough sought to blame everyone but himself for not getting an indictment. If McCullough wanted an indictment, he could have put on a case in chief to direct an indictment. He never had any intention of doing so. His obfuscation and misdirection during last night’s presser is proof of that.

Exactly. He didn’t act like an officer in fear of his life. He acted like a man eager to kill this kid. And then there’s McCulloch who can’t act with any impartiality with cases involving cops. I know he experienced a personal tragedy with his father but he has no business at all being a prosecutor let alone the district attorney for a large county if he’s going to have this mindset that cops can do no wrong.

414 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 6:57:29am

re: #412 Aunty Entity Dragon

Police get to use that all the time..not matter how absurd the facts become.

The idiot SC cop who shot a black motorist last August who was retrieving his wallet upon requst from the co?

“He aggressively dove into his car”

It’s been the same old thing since the 14th amendment was enacted. Black men have magical super powers that turn them into ravening killer monsters and you have to shoot them on sight.

I am sick and fucking tired of “conversations” and “dialogues” on race and police shootings. Not one damned thing has chaged in this respect in a century…and any police officer can walk up to a black man, shoot him on camera and in front of witnesses and 99 times out of 100, he will not only walk, but be lauded.

We had to shoot him 40+ times. Yada yada. It’s pathetic. And that people will continue to see these guys as being incapable of doing any wrong.

415 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 7:00:44am

re: #410 lawhawk

45 meters away from the car. They make the fear defense laughable. That’s why the police lied about the distance all that time.

416 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:02:44am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Days after Brown was killed, a mentally ill man was shot and killed in STL. Police initially claimed that the man lunged at police before they shot him.

Yet, video shows a completely different story. They shot him despite no evidence at all that he was lunging. He was walking around slowly. There was no attempt at pacifying him with less than lethal measures. No tasering. No attempt to coax him into dropping the small knife.

Just fired until dead.

newsweek.com

417 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 25, 2014 7:04:20am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

We had to shoot him 40+ times. Yada yada. It’s pathetic. And that people will continue to see these guys as being incapable of doing any wrong.

Cleveland just last week paid out 3 million for 137 police shots fired over a back firing car. Both occupants dead.

137 shots fired, including 14 fired by one officer who jumped onto the hood and fired point blank into the passengers twitching bodies.

Becasue the car had a backfire. Over 60 officers incolved…and not one has been disciplined.

418 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 7:05:19am

re: #416 lawhawk

Days after Brown was killed, a mentally ill man was shot and killed in STL. Police initially claimed that the man lunged at police before they shot him.

Yet, video shows a completely different story. They shot him despite no evidence at all that he was lunging. He was walking around slowly. There was no attempt at pacifying him with less than lethal measures. No tasering. No attempt to coax him into dropping the small knife.

Just fired until dead.

newsweek.com

I imagine there’s countless stories like this where the police’s word was just taken blindly. But yeah video always seems to conflict with the police’s accounts. Hmmmmmmm.

419 Frenchy  Nov 25, 2014 7:05:52am

re: #416 lawhawk

re: #417 Aunty Entity Dragon

All is well, have no fear. I’m sure indictments will be forthcoming shortly in these cases.
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420 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 7:06:16am

re: #417 Aunty Entity Dragon

Cleveland just last week paid out 3 million for 137 police shots fired over a back firing car. Both occupants dead.

137 shots fired, including 14 fired by one officer who jumped onto the hood and fired point blank into the passengers twitching bodies.

Becasue the car had a backfire. Over 60 officers incolved…and not one has been disciplined.

Christ, hadn’t heard about that. Really, something needs to be done here.

421 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 7:06:22am

re: #381 bill d

So has Anonymous brought justice to the world yet?

The world is still made up of humans isn’t it? As long as that is the case, there will never be justice.

By the way…Morning all!

I refuse to put good in front of morning today.

422 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 7:07:29am

The other bullshit…Wilson testified that Brown turned, made a fist with one hand; put his other hand in his waist band; and then started running at him. No one puts a hand in his pocket, essentially, and then starts running. Try it. See how awkward it is.

Of course, that detail is being added with the implication that Wilson thought Brown might have had a weapon—and Brown would have, of course, waited until he was 50 yards away to pull said weapon.

423 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:07:31am

FAA issues NOTAM over Ferguson. Again. Limiting airspace directly above Ferguson to law enforcement use only. Media can only fly above 3100 feet.

Due to reports from law enforcement of gunshots fired into the sky the Federal Aviation Administration activated a Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) over Ferguson, Missouri.
For safety reasons, only law enforcement aircraft are permitted to fly through this area.
Media aircraft are currently operating just above the TFR at 3,100 feet.
The TFR prevents approaches to Runways 29, 30-Left and 30-Right. Due to winds, commercial aircraft are unable to land on other runways. Departures are unaffected.
As of 11:30 p.m. Central Time, airlines reported ten inbound flights have diverted to other airports.
The TFR is three miles in diameter, up to 3,000 feet above sea level. It is in effect from 10:15 p.m. Central on November 24, to 4:15 a.m. Central November 25.

424 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 7:13:14am

Prosecutor Bob McCulloch is who we thought he was.

425 Varek Raith  Nov 25, 2014 7:22:45am

re: #424 ObserverArt

Prosecutor Bob McCulloch is who we thought he was.

Indeed.

426 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:24:20am
427 Varek Raith  Nov 25, 2014 7:25:40am

I need to rake leaves.
I don’t want to rake leaves.
Conundrum.

428 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:27:32am

re: #427 Varek Raith

Leaf blower. Satisfies need for power tools and leaf removal.

Had to do it this weekend knowing that a storm was coming. Still more leaves since I did it, but it’s better than clogging the heck out of the snowblower on Wednesday.

429 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:28:18am
430 Varek Raith  Nov 25, 2014 7:28:26am

re: #428 lawhawk

Leaf blower. Satisfies need for power tools and leaf removal.

Had to do it this weekend knowing that a storm was coming. Still more leaves since I did it, but it’s better than clogging the heck out of the snowblower on Wednesday.

Right. Snow. Going to get that crap too.
Sigh…

431 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 7:28:38am

I made the comment a long time ago that Wilson obviously went up against Deathlok (an Africa-American Marvel comics character who’s a cyborg)

Damn if I knew Wilson would actually say pretty much the same thing in court.

432 makeitstop  Nov 25, 2014 7:32:38am

re: #427 Varek Raith

I need to rake leaves.
I don’t want to rake leaves.
Conundrum.

We were going to do the leaves on the weekend, but got too busy.

And if tomorrow’s forecast is correct, my streak of not getting the leaves picked up before the first snowfall will remain intact.

I love our tall trees, but damn, do I hate leaves.

433 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 7:33:25am

Under what circumstances could a new grand jury be called to hear the same case? Double jeopardy does not attach to a grand jury.

Anyone have any examples? Here is one from earlier this year:

2nd grand jury indicts officer in shooting of ex-FAMU football player

434 walkingdeadhead  Nov 25, 2014 7:36:58am

Lesson in all this: Don’t rob a convienence store, don’t pick a fight with a cop when he questions you about robbing a convienence store, and don’t charge the officer after he tells you to stand down. Why is it so hard for liberals to get this? I guess if the real world doesn’t match up to your preconceived notions, then so much the worse for the real world.

435 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:38:31am

re: #433 Franklin

I think it’s possible but McCullough’s actions to release all this evidence may also be a way to thwart any attempt by MO to indict via a second state grand jury. If that’s all the evidence, then he’s going to saying that no matter what other grand jury sees this, they will come to the same conclusion.

And that’s even if he’s removed or recused.

436 goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2014 7:39:22am

Quality in trollmanship has dramatically declined since we started outsourcing.

437 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 7:39:39am

re: #436 goddamnedfrank

Quality in trollmanship has dramatically declined since we started outsourcing.

Thanks Obama.

438 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 7:39:44am

re: #434 walkingdeadhead

Fucking zombies, I hate zombies.

439 Frenchy  Nov 25, 2014 7:40:46am

Lots of trolls here today to gloat about how the ni*CLANG* got what he deserved. All is right in their world at present.

440 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:42:13am

re: #434 walkingdeadhead

If a cop killer can get captured without a shot fired, if a person can break into the White House armed and be captured without a shot fired, if a serial bomber can be captured without shots fired, then most certainly can someone who is alleged to be involved in a robbery can be apprehended without shots fired.

Wilson policed through fear. It’s fear that led him to use deadly force. And it still wasn’t justified - not when he paused. Not when he was more than 150 feet from the police car where the incident initiated. Not when witnesses say his hands were up.

Only Wilson’s testimony seems to have counted. Fear trumps facts. Fear trumps the evidence. That and a prosecutor unwilling to indict.

441 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 7:43:51am
442 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 25, 2014 7:45:24am

re: #434 walkingdeadhead

Real lesson? That the reason for the NFA of 1934 was shown pure and simple in Ferguson MO tonight.

The serfs can own as many toy AR’s as they like but they can’t own anything that can make the 1% worry.

Well, that and that Breathing While Black is a Capital offense.

443 goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2014 7:45:53am

re: #435 lawhawk

I think it’s possible but McCullough’s actions to release all this evidence may also be a way to thwart any attempt by MO to indict via a second state grand jury. If that’s all the evidence, then he’s going to saying that no matter what other grand jury sees this, they will come to the same conclusion.

And that’s even if he’s removed or recused.

He can say that, but his instructions to the jury seem to be the biggest issue. The real problem to me is that he’s tainted any future jury pool. Also even though it’s not double jeopardy it still looks like a second bite at the apple. I hate to say it but without unambiguous evidence of gross misconduct or tampering (I think it’s a supportable argument, but not an obvious slam dunk) I don’t see how the nebulous benefit outweighs the cost. Not cost in financial terms, but in fomenting further unrest and revanchist white angst.

I don’t know, the whole things sucks.

444 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 7:51:34am

FYI. The Stephanie Miller show (on SiriusXM) just mentioned LGF on air about 10 minutes ago regarding this entry: Is St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch Helping Raise Money for Ofc. Darren Wilson?

445 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 7:53:20am

re: #427 Varek Raith

I need to rake leaves.
I don’t want to rake leaves.
Conundrum.

Gas.Match.Enjoy
Problem solved.

446 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 7:54:42am

re: #427 Varek Raith

I need to rake leaves.
I don’t want to rake leaves.
Conundrum.

I have to rake leaves too. My problem is I have no trees in my yard that have leaves. I have a huge blue spruce. But with the 50 mph wind gusts that blew through Columbus yesterday…I now have plenty of leaves. My neighbor’s from across the street.

Maybe I should take down my privacy fence. it stopped all those leaves from just moving on.

447 #FergusonFireside  Nov 25, 2014 7:55:15am

Morning all.

I just cannot get over Mike Brown being called a demon.

Just can’t.

448 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 7:56:01am

re: #447 #FergusonFireside

Dehumanizing and then shooting to kill.

449 Lidane  Nov 25, 2014 7:58:28am

re: #447 #FergusonFireside

Morning all.

I just cannot get over Mike Brown being called a demon.

Just can’t.

It’s easier to kill someone when you don’t think they’re human,

450 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 8:02:22am

re: #434 walkingdeadhead

I know you are dead in the head and all, but you forgot a couple important modifying words in your little rebuke of liberals.

“while black”

Maybe that doesn’t ring true in your life. I can only suspect why.

451 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 8:05:21am

re: #439 Frenchy

Lots of trolls here today to gloat about how the ni*CLANG* got what he deserved. All is right in their world at present.

Well, the weather has improved a bit in parts of America. I think some were able to find the opening hole again.

452 Sionainn  Nov 25, 2014 8:07:50am

re: #434 walkingdeadhead

Lesson in all this: Don’t rob a convienence store, don’t pick a fight with a cop when he questions you about robbing a convienence store, and don’t charge the officer after he tells you to stand down. Why is it so hard for liberals to get this? I guess if the real world doesn’t match up to your preconceived notions, then so much the worse for the real world.

Wilson questioned Brown about robbing a convenience store? Really? All in the 90 seconds it took to kill him?

453 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 8:11:07am

Unbelievable as in, there’s no way the events could have unfolded as he claims they did.

For instance, Wilson claims:

I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his…if he’s at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, “here, take these.” He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, “here, hold these” and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his…a full swing from his left hand.

Wilson claims that he got punched by Brown, who then turned to Johnson to hold the cigarillos before resuming punching?

Try wrapping your head around that. Try envisioning how you’d punch someone with your hands full of boxes, then telling a friend to hold them while resuming punching.

Any number of things can happen, if you’re punching while your hands are full of boxes, including breaking those boxes open, damaging the contents. And that’s not addressed anywhere.

This is simply a narrative that Wilson proffered because he knew (or was coached) into stating that he feared for his life, and that is the get out of indictment card needed.

Wilson further alleges that Brown says that he’s “too much of a pussy to shoot”. Right. After assaulting a cop, Brown’s going to insinuate that Wilson doesn’t have the guts to use it.

Guess Wilson showed him.

Why would Brown make that statement, knowing that Wilson could and would fire on him. It makes no sense.

None of it does.

454 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 8:13:59am

SICKEST #TCOT TWEET OF THE DAY

455 rhuarc  Nov 25, 2014 8:19:45am

Here is what is boggling my mind this morning. I have a few friends on FB that are sympathetic to cops or are cops themselves. I posted my thoughts last night on FB via a few different posts. All of a sudden I was a cop hater, I should walk the walk (i.e. become a police officer), I wasn’t allowed to speak on such matters because I have never been a cop, etc. They all followed up with separate posts of their own saying these types of people should just unfriend them. Why the passive aggressive behavior? You’re just as capable as I am of unfriending someone. However, that leads me into the biggest head scratcher.

I responded to one person and said that if you treat the populace like an enemy the populace will treat you like an enemy. And everywhere I am seeing such behavior from cops and their sycophants. Basically if you question this GJ in anyway you’re anti-cop. I just can’t understand that thought process. It’s like to these people cops can do no wrong. That they’re better than your everyday citizen. That your everyday citizen should be held in contempt because they aren’t a cop. And these people wonder why their job is so dangerous and a lot of people can’t stand them. If you start from a position of respect for your fellow human being then they will more than likely show you that respect back. If not, well then you get back what you give.

456 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 8:20:20am

re: #454 The Vicious Fergushka

SICKEST #TCOT TWEET OF THE DAY

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Agh.

457 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 8:23:21am

The entire discussion, as with Trayvon Martin, has been deflected away from the police departments that allowed vital evidence to be tainted, ignored or left uncollected so that no of (grand) jury would have access to enough incontrovertible evidence come up with an indictment or a conviction.

And I see no signs that the underlying problem is going to be addressed at any time soon.

458 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 8:24:55am

re: #447 #FergusonFireside

Morning all.

I just cannot get over Mike Brown being called a demon.

Just can’t.

I still can’t get over “It’s like was getting mad that I was shooting at him.”

459 Skip Intro  Nov 25, 2014 8:25:39am

re: #433 Franklin

Under what circumstances could a new grand jury be called to hear the same case? Double jeopardy does not attach to a grand jury.

Anyone have any examples? Here is one from earlier this year:

2nd grand jury indicts officer in shooting of ex-FAMU football player

What would be the point? The same “prosecutor” would present his version of events all over again.

460 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 25, 2014 8:27:10am

re: #280 TedStriker

Just a bit of OT diversion here:

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Took the pic at Fort Donelson on Saturday; I like the shot because it looks like the eagle is looking towards that airplane streaking ahead thousands of feet above.

Lucky you. The eagles weren’t about when I was there in late August. :(

461 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 8:28:04am

re: #454 The Vicious Fergushka

SICKEST #TCOT TWEET OF THE DAY

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She is taking up too much space.

(I read her twit bio)

The world could do well without this idiot.

462 Sionainn  Nov 25, 2014 8:29:58am

re: #453 lawhawk

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Unbelievable as in, there’s no way the events could have unfolded as he claims they did.

For instance, Wilson claims:

Wilson claims that he got punched by Brown, who then turned to Johnson to hold the cigarillos before resuming punching?

Try wrapping your head around that. Try envisioning how you’d punch someone with your hands full of boxes, then telling a friend to hold them while resuming punching.

Any number of things can happen, if you’re punching while your hands are full of boxes, including breaking those boxes open, damaging the contents. And that’s not addressed anywhere.

This is simply a narrative that Wilson proffered because he knew (or was coached) into stating that he feared for his life, and that is the get out of indictment card needed.

Wilson further alleges that Brown says that he’s “too much of a pussy to shoot”. Right. After assaulting a cop, Brown’s going to insinuate that Wilson doesn’t have the guts to use it.

Guess Wilson showed him.

Why would Brown make that statement, knowing that Wilson could and would fire on him. It makes no sense.

None of it does.

How does one manage a “full swing” at someone while you are outside the car and the person you are punching is inside the car?

463 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 8:32:58am

re: #462 Sionainn

How does one manage a “full swing” at someone while you are outside the car and the person you are punching is inside the car?

An even somewhat prosecutor would have pressed on that but Bob McCulloch never met a cop he didn’t think was an angel.

464 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 8:34:02am

re: #453 lawhawk

Ezra was a bit too milquetoast in his concession that the story is unbelievable, but doesn’t mean that Wilson was lying. There’s definitely a party involved that had a great deal of incentive to lie.

Anyone ever see The Simpsons where Burns hits Bart with the car? Burns testimony about the incident in that episode reminds me of Wilson’s. It would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking tragic.

465 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 8:43:12am

I wonder if Darren Wilson is even capable of writing that recollection of events.

Sounds to me like they had a creative PR type write that up, and then they dumbed it up a bit so that it sounded like Wilson.

This whole things is just a bad TV script. I think a group of 5th graders could put together a more believable narrative.

But, when you are writing for idiots to believe it, maybe even the 5th graders would have been too much.

Who knows the 5th graders might have refused and said: “teacher, what is this about, this is dumb, who would believe it…and it just not right?!”

466 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 8:45:10am

I know some commentators have mentioned it, but it is amazing to me that the FPD’s statement that Wilson didn’t know about the alleged “strong arm robbery” has just gone down the memory hole and replaced with the “I was questioning them about the robbery” meme.

467 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 8:45:54am

re: #465 ObserverArt

I wonder if Darren Wilson is even capable of writing that recollection of events.

Sounds to me like they had a creative PR type write that up, and then they dumbed it up a bit so that it sounded like Wilson.

This whole things is just a bad TV script. I think a group of 5th graders could put together a more believable narrative.

But, when you are writing for idiots to believe it, maybe even the 5th graders would have been too much.

Who knows the 5th graders might have refused and said: “teacher, what is this about, this is dumb, who would believe it…and it just not right?!”

It just had to be plausible enough to convince a grand jury that there were not enough grounds to indict. The Ferguson Police Dept had already done most of the work by failing to collect evidence and testimony in a timely manner.

468 Skip Intro  Nov 25, 2014 8:48:03am

re: #465 ObserverArt

Since Ferguson hired a PR firm around day 2, I’d be amazed if they haven’t been choreographing this whole show, including Wilson’s testimony.

They’ve had three months to do focus group tests and refine the narrative down to what a typical juror would like to hear.

469 Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2014 8:48:25am

re: #434 walkingdeadhead

Lesson in all this: Don’t rob a convienence store, don’t pick a fight with a cop when he questions you about robbing a convienence store, and don’t charge the officer after he tells you to stand down. Why is it so hard for liberals to get this? I guess if the real world doesn’t match up to your preconceived notions, then so much the worse for the real world.

He didn’t “rob” a convenience store. He didn’t pick a fight with a cop. He didn’t charge an officer (and there was no stand down order, just fucking bullets). Why is this so hard for whatever you are to understand. I guess if the real world doesn’t match your preconceived notions, just lie.

470 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 8:48:55am

If they want to be “realistic” they will give him a Ford Mondeo

471 Skip Intro  Nov 25, 2014 8:49:45am

re: #470 The Vicious Fergushka

If they want to be “realistic” they will give him a Ford Mondeo

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That’s just sad.

472 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 8:51:06am

re: #470 The Vicious Fergushka

If they want to be “realistic” they will give him a Ford Mondeo

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Oh no. Well, I hope they have a hell of a lot of mechanics named Tony around on the set.

(Let’s see how many know that old saw. I bet VB knows it!)

473 walkingdeadhead  Nov 25, 2014 8:51:49am

re: #469 Eventual Carrion

Dude, is the sky blue where you live???

474 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 8:52:03am

re: #470 The Vicious Fergushka

If they want to be “realistic” they will give him a Ford Mondeo

James Bond will swap his Aston Martin for a Fiat 500 in the new 007 movie

Cool! That’s what we rented to drive around on the Island of Salina near Sicily.

475 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 8:52:10am

re: #472 ObserverArt

Oh no. Well, I hope they have a hell of a lot of mechanics named Tony around on the set.

(Let’s see how many know that old saw. I bet VB knows it!)

I don’t know that one.

476 Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2014 8:52:18am

re: #473 walkingdeadhead

Dude, is the sky blue where you live???

Fuck off

477 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 25, 2014 8:54:01am

re: #473 walkingdeadhead

And today’s troll provides an excellent example of this alignment:

478 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 8:55:07am

re: #475 The Vicious Fergushka

I don’t know that one.

Fix It Again Tony

It’s as well-worn as Fix Or Repair Daily (FORD)

479 walkingdeadhead  Nov 25, 2014 8:55:24am

Bottom line, if you grab a cops gun, and then later charge said cop, I can’t imagine any scenario where you come out alive, save for the scenario where you successfully grab the cops gun and kills him, which of course is the anarchist wet dream scenario.

480 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 8:57:01am

By the way, I haven’t see it mentioned here, but remember the RW talking point that Mike Brown was “armed” with his huge height and weight advantage?

Brown: 6’5” and 280 lbs
Wilson 6’4” 210lbs

481 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 8:58:04am

Ahhh. Now I know who the PR people were writing that narrative to and for.

482 Sionainn  Nov 25, 2014 8:58:21am

re: #479 walkingdeadhead

Bottom line, if you grab a cops gun, and then later charge said cop, I can’t imagine any scenario where you come out alive, save for the scenario where you successfully grab the cops gun and kills him, which of course is the anarchist wet dream scenario.

He was 150 fucking feet away, unarmed.

483 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 8:58:38am

re: #479 walkingdeadhead

That is Wilson’s version. We will never know any other version because the Ferguson PD actively suppressed or failed to collect relevant evidence and testimony in an obvious effort to protect Wilson from any responsibility for his actions.

And that is the tragedy here, one that has been overlooked in light of all the other ruckus raised by the events.

484 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 8:58:41am

Ferguson Truther.

485 walkingdeadhead  Nov 25, 2014 8:58:49am

re: #476 Eventual Carrion

I stand corrected by your powerful rhetorical skills.

486 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 8:59:01am

re: #479 walkingdeadhead

Bottom line, if you grab a cops gun, and then later charge said cop, I can’t imagine any scenario where you come out alive, save for the scenario where you successfully grab the cops gun and kills him, which of course is the anarchist wet dream scenario.

First, none of what you said is fact. Second, even if it were, doing all that while white will get you out alive.

487 Sherlock Hound  Nov 25, 2014 8:59:12am

re: #470 The Vicious Fergushka

That’s more what Lupin the 3rd would drive!

488 walkingdeadhead  Nov 25, 2014 9:00:49am

re: #483 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The thing is, this entire investigation was done with Eric Holder’s Justice Department over the Prosecutors shoulder at every turn. I am sure in Holders heart of hearts, he wanted Wilson prosecuted. The fact that Holder isn’t saying much tells me that the case presented to the Grand Jury is the most accurate portrayal of the event.

489 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 9:00:50am
490 ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2014 9:01:10am

re: #480 Ace-o-aces

By the way, I haven’t see it mentioned here, but remember the RW talking point that Mike Brown was “armed” with his huge height and weight advantage?

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Brown: 6’5” and 280 lbs
Wilson 6’4” 210lbs

Yeah, but Brown was African American! Why do you think they were brought to the new America in the first place?

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…later all. Be sure to clean up the trash!

491 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:01:21am

Well, except for that cutting off heads thing

492 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:01:39am

re: #478 ObserverArt

Fix It Again Tony

It’s as well-worn as Fix Or Repair Daily (FORD)

Found On Road Dead

493 Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2014 9:01:46am

re: #485 walkingdeadhead

I stand corrected by your powerful rhetorical skills.

Like I give a flying fuck what a mental midget like you thinks. You are a bigoted moron and I hope you finish your life in pain and covered in festering boils. That better, shitstain?

494 walkingdeadhead  Nov 25, 2014 9:01:53am

re: #486 Mike Lamb

You actually said that if a white person did what Michael Brown did, he would still be alive? To quote a Steely Dan lyric, Only A Fool Would Say That

495 walkingdeadhead  Nov 25, 2014 9:02:14am

re: #493 Eventual Carrion

you mad bro?

496 jamesfirecat  Nov 25, 2014 9:02:38am

re: #487 Sherlock Hound

That’s more what Lupin the 3rd would drive!

Actually… yeah , lets go to the judges…

Judges?

Image: lupin+collage.jpg

DING DING we have a winner!

497 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:04:08am
498 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 9:04:19am

re: #488 walkingdeadhead

The thing is, this entire investigation was done with Eric Holder’s Justice Department over the Prosecutors shoulder at every turn. I am sure in Holders heart of hearts, he wanted Wilson prosecuted. The fact that Holder isn’t saying much tells me that the case presented to the Grand Jury is the most accurate portrayal of the event.

I can agree that without the Justice Department bearing down on them there would not have been a grand jury investigation at all. And again, the FPD did a good job of ensuring that any evidence the GJ saw was compromised or incomplete enough to provide grounds for an indictment.

499 makeitstop  Nov 25, 2014 9:04:36am

I saw a tweet on a thread last night that the guy lighting the cop car on fire was a white dude with a flag bandana on.

Any updates to that story?

Oh, and can we ban the troll today? Fuck his gloating bullshit.

500 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 25, 2014 9:04:48am

re: #479 walkingdeadhead

Bottom line, a cop can kill anyone he wants and since the witness is dead can claim anything he wants to claim.

501 OhNoZombies!  Nov 25, 2014 9:05:17am

Don’t feed the troll.
They are immune to facts and metabolize negative energy.

502 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 9:05:38am

re: #488 walkingdeadhead

The facts indicate that Wilson shot and killed an unarmed black man who was more than 100 feet from the car. Wilson’s statements don’t jibe with the evidence at the scene. But McCullough scripted the evidence in a way to avoid an indictment.

Another prosecutor who wasn’t biased in favor of making sure that cops are never indicted for any criminal charges (excessive force, let alone officer-involved shootings) could have gotten an indictment with this evidence.

Another prosecutor who wanted an indictment could have brought one with the same exact evidence.

This is about how the case was brought. The evidence was sufficient for an indictment.

503 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 9:06:07am

re: #492 The Vicious Fergushka

Found On Road Dead

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504 Sherlock Hound  Nov 25, 2014 9:06:18am

re: #496 jamesfirecat

Castle Cagliostro popped up in my brain immediately when I saw that! Interesting trivia is that Princess Clarise’s car, at least the one she tries to escape in, is a Citroen 2CV (“Deux Chevaux”, “two-horse”) that the director, Miyazaki, owned at one point. Great movie.

505 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 9:07:00am

re: #479 walkingdeadhead

Bottom line, if you grab a cops gun, and then later charge said cop, I can’t imagine any scenario where you come out alive, save for the scenario where you successfully grab the cops gun and kills him, which of course is the anarchist wet dream scenario.

Please provide evidence of charging.

506 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 25, 2014 9:07:01am

re: #495 walkingdeadhead

507 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 9:07:23am

re: #500 William Barnett-Lewis

Bottom line, a cop anyone carrying a gun in a Stand Your Ground state can kill anyone he wants and since the witness is dead can claim anything he wants to claim.

508 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 9:07:24am

White guys damage property, torch cars, and are called drunken revelers (see any sports-inspired celebration, or the Keene Pumpkin Fest).

Black people damage property, torch cars, and they’re called rioters, rabble rousers, and worse.

One is not like the other.

509 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 9:08:29am

re: #490 ObserverArt

Yeah, but Brown was African American!

I’m guessing that’s why Wilson, in his GJ testimony, kept going on about how BIG Brown looked to him. It was ridiculous. Brown was a mere inch taller and at best modestly heavier than Wilson..

510 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 9:08:37am

re: #488 walkingdeadhead

The thing is, this entire investigation was done with Eric Holder’s Justice Department over the Prosecutors shoulder at every turn. I am sure in Holders heart of hearts, he wanted Wilson prosecuted. The fact that Holder isn’t saying much tells me that the case presented to the Grand Jury is the most accurate portrayal of the event.

And I’m sure, if the prosecutor has integrity, HE wanted Wilson prosecuted too. Or else he wouldn’t have charged Wilson.

511 jamesfirecat  Nov 25, 2014 9:10:02am

re: #504 Sherlock Hound

Castle Cagliostro popped up in my brain immediately when I saw that! Interesting trivia is that Princess Clarise’s car, at least the one she tries to escape in, is a Citroen 2CV (“Deu Chevaux”, “two-horse”) that the director, Miyazaki, owned at one point. Great movie.

It’s worth watching just to see all the stuff that later references it be it in live action, or other animated works (see Batman fighting the Clock King…) not to mention the little bits of attention to detail they paid like having all the guns be based on real life firearms…

512 #FergusonFireside  Nov 25, 2014 9:10:19am

re: #499 makeitstop

I saw a tweet on a thread last night that the guy lighting the cop car on fire was a white dude with a flag bandana on.

Any updates to that story?

Oh, and can we ban the troll today? Fuck his gloating bullshit.

I saw a photo that pointed him out - now I can’t find the tweet damn it.

513 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 9:10:32am

re: #509 Ace-o-aces

I’m guessing that’s why Wilson, in his GJ testimony, kept going on about how BIG Brown looked to him. It was ridiculous. Brown was a mere inch taller and at best modestly heavier than Wilson..

Exactly. If I were a cop, trained in self defense, etc, etc and someone my height but 70 lbs heavier was engaging me in a fight, I would not be intimidated.

514 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 25, 2014 9:12:01am

re: #483 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is Wilson’s version. We will never know any other version because the Ferguson PD actively suppressed or failed to collect relevant evidence and testimony in an obvious effort to protect Wilson from any responsibility for his actions.

And that is the tragedy here, one that has been overlooked in light of all the other ruckus raised by the events.

Mr. Prosecutor also said none of the witnesses were interviewed by the news? If I recall, there were a few that came forward and gave their version of events. So were they not allowed to address the grand jury at all?

This whole thing stinks.

515 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:14:01am
516 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 9:15:48am

re: #515 The Vicious Fergushka

If you re-read that in Morgan Freeman’s voice, it’s magical.

517 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 9:15:54am
518 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 9:15:58am

re: #515 The Vicious Fergushka

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Expect the first paragraph to show up on a few RW sites….but only the first.

519 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 25, 2014 9:17:10am

re: #517 lawhawk

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Is there any question in the RW blogosphere who the “real” victim was?

520 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 9:17:32am

re: #484 lawhawk

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Ferguson Truther.

FIRE MELTS STEEL WOOD!!1! GOOGLE IT!!1!

521 Franklin  Nov 25, 2014 9:19:01am

I saw a tweet late last night that I cannot track down. Hoping someone else here saw it. The gist was: if we fail to try to understand the plight of those who’ve been wronged, we rob them of their dignity. Did anyone happen to see it?

522 BlueGrl21  Nov 25, 2014 9:21:48am

The medical investigator did not take photographs at the scene of Brown’s killing because the camera battery had died, the grand jury heard.

What…the…fuck?

THAT’S WHAT FUCKING MEDICAL EXAMINERS DO!!!!!!! They EXAMINE A CRIME!

GodDAMN it, I am sick of these people. I hope the Justice Department disbands the entire thing.

523 Sherlock Hound  Nov 25, 2014 9:23:14am

re: #511 jamesfirecat

A lot of animators have borrowed from Miyazaki, including the aforementioned BTAS. The blimp scene in “Man-Bat” was definitely inspired by the similar scene in Laputa.

BTAS is itself a great series; “Almost Got ‘Im” is as brilliant as it ever was in its direction. The best stealing the best. Works for me.

524 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 9:23:15am

re: #494 walkingdeadhead

You actually said that if a white person did what Michael Brown did, he would still be alive? To quote a Steely Dan lyric, Only A Fool Would Say That

Yes, I actually said that if a white person did the things that Michael Brown was alleged to have done, the cop wouldn’t have unloaded a clip at him.

525 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:23:37am

What does this wingnut say? HURR HURR LIBRUL PLANT!!!1!!!!

526 Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2014 9:24:37am

As if the world couldn’t get more ridiculous:

527 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 25, 2014 9:25:14am

re: #472 ObserverArt

Oh no. Well, I hope they have a hell of a lot of mechanics named Tony around on the set.

(Let’s see how many know that old saw. I bet VB knows it!)

Heh, I also know Fix Or Repair Daily.

528 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 9:25:33am

re: #525 The Vicious Fergushka

What does this wingnut say? HURR HURR LIBRUL PLANT!!!1!!!!

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Hey it’s what Alinsky wanted. We liberals go around making conservatives look bad by using telekinesis toake them associate with bigots.

529 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 25, 2014 9:25:49am

re:
#525

Altho ain’t nothin wrong with the stars and bars because Heritage and history and values and how come U hate white people????!?!

530 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:26:13am

IT’S A BLOOD BATH

531 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 9:26:21am

re: #524 Mike Lamb

Yes, I actually said that if a white person did the things that Michael Brown was alleged to have done, the cop wouldn’t have unloaded a clip at him.

Yes. But you are operating on different assumptions of what is it that Mike Brown did. The troll operates on the made-up assumption that Brown charged the cop.

532 Weet  Nov 25, 2014 9:26:24am

The Wilson testimony is so opposite of what Dorian Johnson said, that I have to believe Wilson’s testimony is a complete fabrication, a complete and utter lie.

Watch Dorian again after you read Ezra’s piece (or read Wilson’s testimony directly):

Dorian Johnson

533 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 9:26:57am

re: #526 Timothy Watson

As if the world couldn’t get more ridiculous:

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One scumbag recommends another scumbag. What else is new.

534 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 25, 2014 9:29:20am

re:
#528

The person who brought the Confederate Flag is a librule plant trying to smear and discredit patriotic Amercians although all Leftists Elitists just hate the Confederate Flag because POlitical Correctness1!!!111

535 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 25, 2014 9:30:32am

re:
#530

IT’S A BLOOD BATH

First Look: nobody works there anymore.

536 Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2014 9:30:34am

re: #526 Timothy Watson

Joe Lieberman hasn’t been relevant since MC Hammer was on Billboard’s top 25.

537 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 25, 2014 9:32:05am

re: #526 Timothy Watson

From the linked article:
“One strong option would be former Sen. Joe Lieberman, a member of the president’s own party with deep experience and unshakable commitment to the security of the United States,” Cruz said. “I urge the president to give him full and fair consideration for this critical position.”

Once again Cruz shows his grasp of fact: Lieberman is an independent.

538 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 9:33:11am

re: #516 Franklin

If you re-read that in Morgan Freeman’s voice, it’s magical.

Yeah, but you could say the same thing about anything in Freeman’s voice. Instructions for instant oatmeal would sound great.

539 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 9:34:15am

re: #537 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Yeah, Obama should appoint a person who betrayed him and his party in a political sense (see 2008). Uh huh.

540 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 9:34:23am

re: #537 Higgs Boson’s Mate

From the linked article:
“One strong option would be former Sen. Joe Lieberman, a member of the president’s own party with deep experience and unshakable commitment to the security of the United States,” Cruz said. “I urge the president to give him full and fair consideration for this critical position.”

Once again Cruz shows his grasp of fact: Lieberman is an independent.

It’s just Cruz trolling. He’s part of the wing of his party that went batshit that McCain was even considering Lieberman for VP. Cruz thinks he can come off “bipartisan” by suggesting Lieberman. Honestly, I hope Obama goes with someone who isn’t a politician this time for the position. No idea who’s being considered though.

541 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 9:35:43am

re: #539 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Yeah, Obama should appoint a person who betrayed him and his party in a political sense (see 2008). Uh huh.

Someone it should be added that Obama supported even after he went independent after losing the primary. Now Lieberman was free to do that but the way Lieberman attacked Obama even after Obama had been one of the most prominent Democrats to support him not just against Lamont in the primary but in the GE was pathetic and then to be one of McCain’s biggest attack dogs against him shows Lieberman’s lack of loyalty to anyone.

542 bill d  Nov 25, 2014 9:37:29am

re: #530 The Vicious Fergushka

IT’S A BLOOD BATH

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If I were still on the SS Dudebro I’d be headed for the lifeboats fast.

543 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 9:38:10am
544 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:39:12am

Crazy wingnut is still crazy but at least has removed the Jim McNeil picture from his crazy meme.

545 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 9:40:01am

re: #543 Ace-o-aces

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The religious right in this country continues to resemble Islamists.

546 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 25, 2014 9:40:37am

re: #543 Ace-o-aces

Old testament teaches that punishment must be proportional to the crime.

I guess adultery, homosexuality, disobedience to parents and Sabbath desecration are literally grave sins then ;)

547 Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2014 9:40:41am

re: #542 bill d

If I were still on the SS Dudebro I’d be headed for the lifeboats fast.

The SS Dudebro:

548 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 9:41:11am

re: #544 The Vicious Fergushka

Crazy wingnut is still crazy but at least has removed the Jim McNeil picture from his crazy meme.

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Using MLK here is disgusting. Stay the course in love? Wehre the fuck was Officer Wilson’s “love” when he emptied 12 rounds at Mike and how fucking typical of a fucking wingnut moron on Twitter to whine about Obama in all this when Obama offered only mild words. I’d like it more if wingnuts were at least honest that they despise MLK.

549 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:42:42am

Ben Shapiro being a douche, as usual.

550 jamesfirecat  Nov 25, 2014 9:43:46am

re: #523 Sherlock Hound

A lot of animators have borrowed from Miyazaki, including the aforementioned BTAS. The blimp scene in “Man-Bat” was definitely inspired by the similar scene in Laputa.

BTAS is itself a great series; “Almost Got ‘Im” is as brilliant as it ever was in its direction. The best stealing the best. Works for me.

It was a big rock….

551 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:43:50am

Nope not gonna happen. I had to turn off the TCOT firehose of racist rage last night.

552 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 9:44:55am

re: #549 The Vicious Fergushka

Ben Shapiro being a douche, as usual.

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That kid can’t help himself. He’s a professional prick.

553 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 9:44:58am

re: #546 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I guess adultery, homosexuality, disobedience to parents and Sabbath desecration are literally grave sins then ;)

Ok, so it’s a bit inconsistent. It’s a collection of bronze age mythology. Even my Rabbi says not to take it too literally.
But the part about “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”. Very misunderstood passage. It’s not condoning revenge. It means that you pay a price proportional to what you’ve taken.

554 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 9:45:17am

re: #549 The Vicious Fergushka

Ben Shapiro being a douche, as usual.

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So we should just kill’em all, right Ben? Fuckwad.

555 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 9:45:38am

re: #549 The Vicious Fergushka

Ben Shapiro being a douche, as usual.

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Must be a day ending in “y”

556 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 9:45:54am

re: #554 Mike Lamb

So we should just kill’em all, right Ben? Fuckwad.

Scratch a conservative, find an authoritarian fascist powerhungry douche.

557 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 25, 2014 9:48:29am

So just how long did Wilson have to make up his story with his cop lawyers coaching him? Anyone know how many dats between the incident and his grand jury testimony! I sucketh at the math thing.

558 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 9:56:38am
559 makeitstop  Nov 25, 2014 9:57:49am

God damn, I just want to punch somebody today.

560 rhuarc  Nov 25, 2014 9:57:56am

re: #557 GlutenFreeJesus

Looks like about a month.

561 darthstar  Nov 25, 2014 10:01:56am
562 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 25, 2014 10:05:31am

re: #557 GlutenFreeJesus

So just how long did Wilson have to make up his story with his cop lawyers coaching him? Anyone know how many dats between the incident and his grand jury testimony! I sucketh at the math thing.

If I recall his official report on the incident took a few weeks to turn up, and wasn’t very detailed even then.

563 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 10:06:45am

Second Most Racist #tcot Tweet Of The Day:

564 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 10:07:35am

“County Captain 4Romney Campaign”

565 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:08:49am

re: #564 The Vicious Fergushka

“County Captain 4Romney Campaign”

Well given that Mitt happily employed Kris Kobach. It’s no surprise that he had someone like this working for him too. But remember kids you can’t accuse the right of being racist because 150 years ago their party was more enlightened on race than they are now.

566 bill d  Nov 25, 2014 10:09:36am

re: #564 The Vicious Fergushka

“County Captain 4Romney Campaign”

She’s a gud speller to.

567 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 10:12:50am
569 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 10:16:03am

re: #549 The Vicious Fergushka

570 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:17:16am

re: #569 Ace-o-aces

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THAT WAS DIFFERENT BUT I’M NOT A RACIST.

571 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:18:15am

Seriously everyone saying the rioters should be shot. Hmm not a word for the Bundy thugs who actually did threaten officers of the law with their guns. But I get it. White people protesting with guns, patriots and pillars of our society. Black people protesting unarmed, thugs who deserve what they get.

572 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 10:19:12am

re: #571 HappyWarrior

Seriously everyone saying the rioters should be shot. Hmm not a word for the Bundy thugs who actually did threaten officers of the law with their guns. But I get it. White people protesting with guns, patriots and pillars of our society. Black people protesting unarmed, thugs who deserve what they get.

HURR HURR WHAT DID BUNDY RANCH PATRIOTS LOOT & BURN!!1!!!!

573 #FergusonFireside  Nov 25, 2014 10:19:38am
574 Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2014 10:20:54am

re: #572 The Vicious Fergushka

HURR HURR WHAT DID BUNDY RANCH PATRIOTS LOOT & BURN!!1!!!!

Federal lands.

575 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 25, 2014 10:21:15am

re: #574 Mike Lamb

Federal lands.

Tons of cattle feed.

576 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:22:29am

The most angering thing is hearing people say that the protesters “need to get over it.” Yeah someone gets killed and the killer isn’t even so much as brought to trial and you want people to get over it. But yet we were to believe the poor Clive Bundy was a victim of the big bad federal government. Man fuck conservatives and their selective outrage.

577 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:23:32am

re: #572 The Vicious Fergushka

HURR HURR WHAT DID BUNDY RANCH PATRIOTS LOOT & BURN!!1!!!!

These are the same people who would be happy to resume tar and featherings but yet they think that a police officer should be able to shoot at anyone for anything. Let that sink in.

578 Sionainn  Nov 25, 2014 10:23:43am

re: #562 Feline Fearless Leader

If I recall his official report on the incident took a few weeks to turn up, and wasn’t very detailed even then.

By not very detailed, you must mean blank. It was completely blank.

579 lawhawk  Nov 25, 2014 10:24:30am

re: #573 #FergusonFireside

That’s not the ABA (and if they came out against this outcome, then that’d truly be saying something), but it is a national bar association is a network of predominantly African-American attorneys and judges that goes back to 1925.

Their statement in full.

580 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:24:54am

I believe I remember hearing that Mike’s body was on the street for hours after the killing happened. He was treated honestly worse than an animal.

581 #FergusonFireside  Nov 25, 2014 10:26:58am

re: #579 lawhawk

That’s not the ABA (and if they came out against this outcome, then that’d truly be saying something), but it is a national bar association is a network of predominantly African-American attorneys and judges that goes back to 1925.

Their statement in full.

Well, hell. Thanks. (you are my fact checker)

582 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 25, 2014 10:28:31am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

The most angering thing is hearing people say that the protesters “need to get over it.” Yeah someone gets killed and the killer isn’t even so much as brought to trial and you want people to get over it. But yet we were to believe the poor Clive Bundy was a victim of the big bad federal government. Man fuck conservatives and their selective outrage.


Same as it ever was: disenfranchised people organize, protest, struggle and get ignored. Then shit really goes bad, there’s violence or property damage, and it retroactively justifies the disenfranchised being disenfranchised.

“You can’t complain because you didn’t protest black-on-black crime loud enough for us to pay attention.”

The same shit the British pulled with the people they colonized.

“You’re not being civilized, so we don’t have to be civilized.”

583 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:29:39am

re: #582 The Ghost of a Flea (R)


Same as it ever was: disenfranchised people organize, protest, struggle and get ignored. Then shit really goes bad, there’s violence or property damage, and it retroactively justifies the disenfranchised being disenfranchised.

“You can’t complain because you didn’t protest black-on-black crime loud enough for us to pay attention.”

The same shit the British pulled with the people they colonized.

“You’re not being civilized, so we don’t have to be civilized.”

Yet their solution to crime is always the same. Cut education, welfare, urban renewal, etc because you know increasing poverty is the perfect solution to crime.

584 Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2014 10:30:55am
585 HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2014 10:39:42am

re: #584 Ace-o-aces

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I mean you’re sent out to take crime scene photos. Your one job and you don’t have batteries for the camera? As the saying goes, oh how convenient.


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