Grand Jury Documents Reveal Shockingly Lax Police Procedures in Ferguson

The fix was in from the start
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The grand jury testimony in the Darren Wilson case reveals some shockingly lax procedures by the Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments: Unorthodox Police Procedures Emerge in Grand Jury Documents.

When Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson left the scene of the shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown, the officer returned to the police station unescorted, washed blood off his hands and placed his recently fired pistol into an evidence bag himself.

Such seemingly un­or­tho­dox forensic practices emerged from the voluminous testimony released in the aftermath of a grand jury decision Monday night not to indict Wilson.

The transcript showed that local officers who interviewed Wilson immediately after the shooting did not tape the conversations and sometimes conducted them with other police personnel present. An investigator with the St. Louis County Medical Examiner’s office testified that he opted not to take measurements at the crime scene.

“I got there, it was self-explanatory what happened,” said the investigator, whose name was not released, in his grand jury testimony. “Somebody shot somebody. There was no question as to any distances or anything of that nature at the time I was there.”

The investigator, described as a 25-year veteran, did not take his own photographs at the scene of the shooting because his camera battery was dead, he said.

Perhaps the most outrageous thing: police never tested Wilson’s gun for Michael Brown’s fingerprints. Since one of the main points of Wilson’s story was that Brown grabbed his gun, why wasn’t this done?

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250 comments
1 gwangung  Nov 26, 2014 11:06:57am

Surprise, surprise.

2 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:08:02am

Disgraceful. Wish I could be shocked but I’m not. This just sucks so much.

3 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 11:08:35am

Why wasn’t a proper investigation conducted?

Because they never intended to prosecute Darren Wilson.

4 TedStriker  Nov 26, 2014 11:09:16am

re: #1 gwangung

Surprise, surprise.

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Disgraceful. Wish I could be shocked but I’m not. This just sucks so much.

As I mused yesterday, the fix was in before Michael Brown bled out.

5 Dr. Matt  Nov 26, 2014 11:09:41am

DOJ needs to get involved ASAP.

6 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 26, 2014 11:09:52am

For those people who are critical of protestors to: “Let the process do its job. Let the system work.” THIS. The system is not broken, it’s fixed.

7 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:11:18am

re: #4 TedStriker

As I mused yesterday, the fix was in before Michael Brown bled out.

Yep and it makes me angry and sick just thinking about it. And then McCulloch did all he could to ensure that even if they could indict Wilson again that a conviction would be practically impossible. Just sick. This is some Jim Crow era bullshit right here and I really hope DOJ considers not bringing charges just against Wilson but also McCulloch as well but I’m not holding my breath.

8 TedStriker  Nov 26, 2014 11:12:04am

re: #3 Kragar

Why wasn’t a proper investigation conducted?

Because they never intended to prosecute Darren Wilson.

McCulloch bent over backwards to absolve himself of any responsibilities, so he pushed it all on the grand jury, then snowed them under and baffled them with bullshit.

He gave Wilson the best honeymoon present ever, while fucking over Brown’s family and the other citizens of Ferguson without the benefit of lube.

9 iossarian  Nov 26, 2014 11:12:05am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Disgraceful. Wish I could be shocked but I’m not. This just sucks so much.

Quite. With all respect to Charles, I wouldn’t describe this as “shocking”.

It’s just America.

I was telling my wife yesterday, it’s a lot easier to cope with once you accept that it’s not really a democracy. It makes much more sense then, and you also lose the mental pressure that results from reality not matching expectations.

10 Bubblehead II  Nov 26, 2014 11:12:10am

Chucky is begging for money so he can do real Ferguson journalism.

11 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:13:20am

re: #10 Bubblehead II

Chucky is begging for money so he can do real Ferguson journalism.

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I thought he was permanently banned. Nice to know Twitter takes people using its pages to make threats seriously.

12 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 11:13:33am

re: #3 Kragar

Why wasn’t a proper investigation conducted?

Because they never intended to prosecute Darren Wilson.

Law enforcement approached the incident as a justified shooting, and never considered any alternative, even as the witnesses and other actual evidence began showing up (video, audio) that indicated that this was most likely anything but a justified shooting.

Failing to collect evidence. Not photographing the scene. Allowing Wilson to wash (thereby destroying evidence). Allowing Wilson to drive himself to the police station. Not bothering to question why Wilson’s statements following the incident didn’t match what he told the GJ.

Dismissing witness testimony even though it supported indictments (multiple ppl saw hands up).

Putting so much contrary information before the GJ that the prosecutor intended to get no true bill - up to and including changing his grand jury procedures for this case specifically, rather than following the procedures he had used in all other cases.

Had he followed the same procedures as the other cases, it might still have resulted in a no true bill, but the deviation raises more questions than it answers about McCullough’s intentions.

13 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 26, 2014 11:14:09am

This investigation better not go the same way:

A rookie officer pulled the trigger, said Jeffrey Follmer, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association.

The caller told dispatchers twice that the gun was “probably fake,” but that detail was not relayed to the responding officers, Follmer said.

14 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:14:19am

re: #9 iossarian

Quite. With all respect to Charles, I wouldn’t describe this as “shocking”.

It’s just America.

I was telling my wife yesterday, it’s a lot easier to cope with once you accept that it’s not really a democracy. It makes much more sense then, and you also lose the mental pressure that results from reality not matching expectations.

Once upon a time I would have been shocked by this but this just disgusts me. There wasn’t even an attempt by McCulloch and the DA’s office to try to get some justice for this kid and his family.

15 TedStriker  Nov 26, 2014 11:14:40am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I thought he was permanently banned. Nice to know Twitter takes people using its pages to make threats seriously.

Because money makes the world go ‘round and Twitter isn’t about to cut traffic that pays.

16 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:15:19am

re: #13 nearly-headless smith25

This investigation better not go the same way:

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A rookie officer pulled the trigger, said Jeffrey Follmer, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association.

The caller told dispatchers twice that the gun was “probably fake,” but that detail was not relayed to the responding officers, Follmer said.

That one’s going to end the same way and the RWNJs will rejoyce because another “thug” is dead. Meanwhile another family has to mourn their son this holiday season.

17 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 11:16:04am

re: #13 nearly-headless smith25

This investigation better not go the same way:

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A rookie officer pulled the trigger, said Jeffrey Follmer, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association.

The caller told dispatchers twice that the gun was “probably fake,” but that detail was not relayed to the responding officers, Follmer said.

18 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 11:16:57am

re: #10 Bubblehead II

Chucky is begging for money so he can do real Ferguson journalism.

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19 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 11:17:01am

re: #13 nearly-headless smith25

This investigation better not go the same way:

I just can’t wait to see how the RWNJ spin this video to say Tamir was a violent thug.

20 gwangung  Nov 26, 2014 11:17:29am

re: #17 #FergusonFireside

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Apparently, Cleveland police SAID that Tamir was shot within two seconds after they arrived.

By their own words, they didn’t give him a chance to comply.

21 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:17:59am

re: #17 #FergusonFireside

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I’ve said it before but “somehow” cops were able to arrest Alex Holmes, Jared Loughner, and hell even the younger Tsaraniev brother alive. Anyone who tells me that this couldn’t have been resolved without the loss of a life is delusional.

22 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:18:33am

re: #19 Ace-o-aces

I just can’t wait to see how the RWNJ spin this video to say Tamir was a violent thug.

“We found rap music on his Spotify account.” ///

23 Bubblehead II  Nov 26, 2014 11:18:41am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I thought he was permanently banned. Nice to know Twitter takes people using its pages to make threats seriously.

It’s all about the $$$$. $$$$>ToS.

24 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 11:18:45am

The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.

One way of appreciating that stark disparity, ProPublica’s analysis shows, is to calculate how many more whites over those three years would have had to have been killed for them to have been at equal risk. The number is jarring - 185, more than one per week.

ProPublica’s risk analysis on young males killed by police certainly seems to support what has been an article of faith in the African American community for decades: Blacks are being killed at disturbing rates when set against the rest of the American population.

Our examination involved detailed accounts of more than 12,000 police homicides stretching from 1980 to 2012 contained in the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Report. The data, annually self-reported by hundreds of police departments across the country, confirms some assumptions, runs counter to others, and adds nuance to a wide range of questions about the use of deadly police force.

Colin Loftin, University at Albany professor and co-director of the Violence Research Group, said the FBI data is a minimum count of homicides by police, and that it is impossible to precisely measure what puts people at risk of homicide by police without more and better records. Still, what the data shows about the race of victims and officers, and the circumstances of killings, are “certainly relevant,” Loftin said.

Glad to see my alma mater doing serious work on this…

25 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 11:19:10am
26 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:20:27am

re: #25 The Vicious Fergushka

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We really need to take some lessons from the Brits about gun violence. I don’t care if that makes me a “gungrabber.” There’s something deeply wrong with our society.

27 SteelPH  Nov 26, 2014 11:21:14am

I can’t shake the feeling that the GJ decision on Wilson has more or less declared it Open Season on blacks.

28 StephenMeansMe  Nov 26, 2014 11:21:34am

This feels straight out of the 1950s, except that there’s news coverage. I guess that’s progress…?

29 iossarian  Nov 26, 2014 11:23:49am

re: #25 The Vicious Fergushka

Yes, but the gun manufacturing industry hardly sees any ROI from its European operations.

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 11:24:37am

re: #10 Bubblehead II

Chucky is begging for money so he can do real Ferguson journalism.

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It’s borked (there are lots more people who find that none of the donate buttons work):

31 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 11:25:58am

You know things are getting out of control if even freepers can see the problem.

32 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 26, 2014 11:26:04am

I can’t speak for everyone who feels this way, but part of the reason that many people, especially black people celebrated the verdict in the OJ case, was that you had the police run another bullshit investigation that could railroad a black defendant. Didn’t matter if you thought OJ did it or not.

33 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:26:37am

re: #31 Ace-o-aces

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You know things are getting out of control if even freepers can see the problem.

I never thought I would agree with anything that came out of that site but that’s right on.

34 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 11:27:24am

re: #31 Ace-o-aces

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You know things are getting out of control if even freepers can see the problem.

re: #33 HappyWarrior

I never thought I would agree with anything that came out of that site but that’s right on.

That’s the third time I’ve seen a glimpse of humanity from them.

I still think it’s a clever sock.

35 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 11:27:58am

I sense another purge hitting Freeperland on the horizon

36 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 11:28:07am

6 hours and this Tweet is still up.

Why do they even have TOS?

37 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:28:07am

re: #34 #FergusonFireside

That’s the third time I’ve seen a glimpse of humanity from them.

I still think it’s a clever sock.

Could well be. But that site is full of people who do mistrust authority.

38 Dr. Matt  Nov 26, 2014 11:28:19am

re: #31 Ace-o-aces

You know things are getting out of control if even freepers can see the problem.

Freeperville probably IP banned that poster.

39 dog philosopher  Nov 26, 2014 11:29:33am

re: #10 Bubblehead II

Chucky is begging for money so he can do real Ferguson journalism.

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and to think ive been providing my incoherent ravings um childish expectorations um pearls of wisdom free of charge

40 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 11:29:42am
41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 26, 2014 11:29:43am

Ferguson PD only put this case up for a grand jury because of the riots and protests that ensued. Otherwise it would have just been another statistic.

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2014 11:31:18am

re: #36 The Vicious Fergushka

6 hours and this Tweet is still up.

Why do they even have TOS?

Yes but rules are useless if no one enforces them. That’s why I am so leery of establishing a larger twitter presence.

43 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 11:31:58am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Missouri’s Gov. Nixon was also a profile in courage. Didn’t bother to bring in a special prosecutor when McCullough dragged his feet and all but signaled his intention not to get an indictment. Heck, even Florida’s governor saw what was going on in Sanford and brought in a special prosecutor (who still managed not to get a conviction, but it at least saw the inside of a courtroom for a jury to decide).

44 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 11:33:25am

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes but rules are useless if no one enforces them. That’s why I am so leery of establishing a larger twitter presence.

Just create one under an alias, and use it to taunt wingnuts like I do. The terrible rule enforcement doesn’t matter as long as you don’t give a crap about Twitter, and just use it to push back against derp a little bit.

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2014 11:33:28am

A scummy politician named Nixon?

Who could have ever seen that coming?

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46 Bubblehead II  Nov 26, 2014 11:33:54am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s borked (there are lots more people who find that none of the donate buttons work):

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Saw that. Can’t even do his grifting without screwing it up.

47 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:34:19am

re: #43 lawhawk

Missouri’s Gov. Nixon was also a profile in courage. Didn’t bother to bring in a special prosecutor when McCullough dragged his feet and all but signaled his intention not to get an indictment. Heck, even Florida’s governor saw what was going on in Sanford and brought in a special prosecutor (who still managed not to get a conviction, but it at least saw the inside of a courtroom for a jury to decide).

When Rick Scott looks like he’s more caring about justice than you are, it’s time for a deep self evaluation. Yep looking at you Jay and Bob. Speaking of which, anyone with photoshop skills want to try their hand at a Jay Nixon and Bob McCulloch- Jay and Silent Bob parody? Just thought of that.

48 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 11:34:23am

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes but rules are useless if no one enforces them. That’s why I am so leery of establishing a larger twitter presence.

Its a big reason why I am very particular about what personal info I release in any arena.

49 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 26, 2014 11:34:34am

Good afternoon from wet, and at one time a bit snowy, Philadelphia.

About to escape work and start cooking for the holiday.

Have also noticed that the highly “sophisticated” website checking software used here at work blocks the LGF page if the words “Facebook” or “Twitter” are included in the page name. Probably more than that in the filter, but it does shut me out from reading comments in these pages until I get home.

50 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:34:48am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

A scummy politician named Nixon?

Who could have ever seen that coming?

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I hate that he’s part of the same party I mostly vote for. Ditto McCulloch.

51 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 11:38:01am

re: #40 lawhawk

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Here it is.

wkyc.com

52 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 11:40:21am
53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 11:41:35am

MrBWS was finishing up his very long workday restoring power after theSunday/Monday windstorm and they had to detour because of this:

VIDEO: 8 arrested after protest on NB I-75 prompts brief closure

CINCINNATI — Hundreds of protestors marched onto northbound I-75 Tuesday evening, and after police made at least eight arrests, the march headed to the Federal Courthouse.

The crowd began dispersing from the courthouse downtown just after 8:30 p.m.

I don’t have a problem at all with protesting. But, jeez louise, hundreds marching onto the interstate is just not right.

(warning: the video at the link is on autoplay)

54 Shazam  Nov 26, 2014 11:42:14am

re: #19 Ace-o-aces

I just can’t wait to see how the RWNJ spin this video to say Tamir was a violent thug.

Check the comments on that link. They’ve already decided that that’s how he wanted to go out, like a thug “fighting” cops.

55 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:43:18am

re: #51 #FergusonFireside

Here it is.

wkyc.com

Groans.

56 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:44:09am

re: #52 The Vicious Fergushka

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This would be hilarious if not for the fact that Darren Wilson will never likely face charges for what he did.

57 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:44:51am

re: #54 Shazam

Check the comments on that link. They’ve already decided that that’s how he wanted to go out, like a thug “fighting” cops.

No thanks. I can’t read internet comments on these stories. Too many damn bigots out there who use the internet to show it.

58 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 26, 2014 11:46:18am

re: #57 HappyWarrior

No thanks. I can’t read internet comments on these stories. Too many damn bigots out there who hide behind use the annonymity of the internet to show it.

59 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:46:51am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yep.

60 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 11:47:36am
61 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 11:48:24am

re: #60 The Vicious Fergushka

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He sounds nice. What size is his hood?

62 Franklin  Nov 26, 2014 11:49:55am

re: #60 The Vicious Fergushka

63 rhuarc  Nov 26, 2014 11:50:39am

re: #60 The Vicious Fergushka

LOL! I can’t stop laughing at this. Awesome karma.

64 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 11:53:05am

re: #60 The Vicious Fergushka

It’s sad that it took a suspension from work to clue this guy into the fact that he was totally out of control. These assholes just can’t self-assess and realize that they should shut the hell up until they can get some professional help for their toxic beliefs. Instead they basically shout out their failure to be reasonable people from the rooftops.

65 Lidane  Nov 26, 2014 11:54:13am

re: #27 SteelPH

I can’t shake the feeling that the GJ decision on Wilson has more or less declared it Open Season on blacks.

They basically gave cops full immunity for their actions. As long as you’ve got a badge and a gun, you can kill anyone and get away with it.

66 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 11:54:59am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I thought he was permanently banned. Nice to know Twitter takes people using its pages to make threats seriously.

And I thought he now has billionaire backers. A lying little shit is UpChuck.

67 Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2014 11:55:04am
68 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 11:56:07am
69 Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2014 11:56:48am
70 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 11:58:02am

re: #34 #FergusonFireside

That’s the third time I’ve seen a glimpse of humanity from them.

I still think it’s a clever sock.

I don’t believe it. That kind of comment would never get past moderation at FR unless it’s from the King himself.

71 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 11:59:15am

What the fucking fuck. The distances were crucial and were lied about by the police, now it turns out the doofus didn’t even attempt to measure them.

BTW, there should be a special unit investigating any police-related shootings, and their bonuses should be directly proportional to the number of bad cops they manage to send to prison or otherwise get fired. Turn cops on cops. The cops investigating themselves is a non-starter.

72 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 12:02:49pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Could “First Look Media” be any more of a cluster fuck?

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:03:24pm

apparently they’re still looking for a gang thug photo of Tamir, so going with Plan B for now:

Not embedding the tweet but CCJ retweeted it

74 makeitstop  Nov 26, 2014 12:04:28pm
75 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:05:49pm
76 SteelPH  Nov 26, 2014 12:06:09pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently they’re still looking for a gang thug photo of Tamir, so going with Plan B for now:

Not embedding the tweet but CCJ retweeted it

…A gang thug photo of a 12 year old? Wat.

77 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 12:06:10pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Cthurkey!

Probably still better than turducken.

78 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:07:07pm

re: #77 Ace-o-aces

Probably still better than turducken.

Turd what? //

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 26, 2014 12:08:55pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Yes.
I paged the best way I’ve seen to tell white folk what the deal is:

littlegreenfootballs.com

80 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 12:09:11pm

People are starting to ease on out of here.

81 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 12:09:17pm

re: #78 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Turd what? //

en.wikipedia.org

It’s one of those things that sounds better than is actually is.

82 Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2014 12:09:21pm

re: #71 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It shows how little they cared about Michael Brown and his community, really.

83 urbanmeemaw  Nov 26, 2014 12:09:36pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why did the Channel 9 News Bot feel need to comment that those arrested were from the area and not paid to march? Never heard that reported in any other stories before. Weird.

84 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 26, 2014 12:10:20pm

re: #77 Ace-o-aces

Probably still better than turducken.

85 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 12:10:23pm

I’m sorry, I must not be crazy enough to understand what he’s implying here.

86 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 26, 2014 12:11:15pm

re: #68 Kragar

Isn’t Taranteno the guy who saw a cool Hong Kong Action Flick and has remade it a dozen times now with only the names being changed?

/// barely.

87 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 12:11:29pm

re: #84 NJDhockeyfan

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A Piecaken!

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:12:32pm

re: #85 Ace-o-aces

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I’m sorry, I must not be crazy enough to understand what he’s implying here.

he later claimed it was “sarcasm”.

89 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:12:50pm

Ire: #81 Ace-o-aces

Ino. ;)

90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 26, 2014 12:13:43pm

re: #85 Ace-o-aces

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I’m sorry, I must not be crazy enough to understand what he’s implying here.

He let himself be shot down in order to justify their violence?

91 makeitstop  Nov 26, 2014 12:14:30pm

re: #77 Ace-o-aces

Probably still better than turducken.

We just got a case of Turducken cat food for the Feline Overlords. They love it.

And when one or another of them hits the litter box and stinks up the place, we say they put the ‘turd’ in turducken.

92 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 12:14:38pm

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

People are starting to ease on out of here.

I’m still trapped.

Waiting for that email from above.

93 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 12:14:47pm

re: #86 William Barnett-Lewis

Isn’t Taranteno the guy who saw a cool Hong Kong Action Flick and has remade it a dozen times now with only the names being changed?

/// barely.

Taranteno is a much better director than he gets credit for. He is slavishly devoted to his 70’s b-movie aesthetics, but he does a lot of interesting things despite that. The opening scene in “Inglourious Basterds” could be used as a textbook case of how to build tension in a movie.

94 Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2014 12:16:49pm
95 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 12:18:04pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

he later claimed it was “sarcasm”.

Look again. He’s replying to someone who thought he was being sympathetic to Rice.

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:18:21pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

more of that “award-winning journalism”…

97 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:18:40pm

Tarantino rocks. :)

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:18:50pm

re: #95 Ace-o-aces

Look again. He’s replying to someone who thought he was being sympathetic to Rice.

Yep, saw that. He still says it was “sarcasm”.

99 Lidane  Nov 26, 2014 12:19:52pm

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

People are starting to ease on out of here.

I wish I could.

The VP in my division sent out an email today saying that the first sale/conversion someone got would get them out at 3pm. The second would get them out at 2pm. The third would get you out at noon. I pegged a sale and then found out that the email was for every OTHER team on the floor except mine. The only reason I got the email was because the VP had me on an older mailing list.

Add to that one manager telling me I have to work Friday because the company we sell for is open Friday, but my team mates saying fuck that noise because the company that pays us is closed Friday as a paid holiday. And supposedly this was all explained weeks ago but no one remembers it happening. I don’t want to work on Friday. This just fucked with my travel plans. Why should I come in just because one company is open, but the one that pays me isn’t? WTF.

100 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:23:23pm

I would love QT turning the Bible into a movie. Esp. the Old Testament. ;)

101 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 12:23:33pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

102 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:25:18pm

re: #101 No Country For Old Haters

A wingnut turducken: Chuck inside Dim Jim inside Fischer.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 26, 2014 12:25:50pm

re: #87 The Vicious Fergushka

A Piecaken!

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:26:37pm

Oh dear…now he wants to doxx snopes…

105 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:26:44pm

re: #102 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

A wingnut turducken: Chuck inside Dim Jim inside Fischer.

I’ll take “Gay Porn Nightmares” for $500, Alex.

106 urbanmeemaw  Nov 26, 2014 12:27:26pm

re: #72 The Vicious Fergushka

Could “First Look Media” be any more of a cluster fuck?

This is hilarious. What gets me is you have people whining about rules, regulations, procedures, and clusterfull corporate policies, like meetings, vision statements, etc. First, I’m thinking grow up, guys. You’re working for a corporation, for crying out loud. You are displaying how out of touch you are with reality by thinking you would be free from this kind of oversight. Goes back to my contention that Griftwald and Co have no clue how anything works.

On the other hand, good for Pierre for posting everyone’s salaries. Since Griftwald and Co supposedly demand transparency from everyone else, I love that everyone knows how much they’re being paid.

I almost get this Mr. Burns vibe from Pierre. Is he trolling them?

107 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 12:29:33pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, saw that. He still says it was “sarcasm”.

The implication being he agrees that Rice had it coming.

108 urbanmeemaw  Nov 26, 2014 12:29:36pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

he later claimed it was “sarcasm”.

Funny. I would thought it “joy”.

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 26, 2014 12:31:18pm

re: #93 Ace-o-aces

Taranteno is a much better director than he gets credit for. He is slavishly devoted to his 70’s b-movie aesthetics, but he does a lot of interesting things despite that. The opening scene in “Inglourious Basterds” could be used as a textbook case of how to build tension in a movie.

Could be. I can’t get past my gag reflex long enough to find out. I really really dislike everything of his I’ve tried to watch. I am glad that there are people that enjoy his work though I’m just not one of them.

110 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 26, 2014 12:31:18pm

Heh

111 calochortus  Nov 26, 2014 12:31:26pm

I haven’t been posting a lot here because the whole Ferguson thing is just depressing, so this may have been asked and answered, but it just keeps nagging at me.
Why did Wilson have his gun out to deal with jaywalking? In broad daylight.

112 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 12:31:38pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

113 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 12:32:24pm

re: #105 Kragar

I’ll take “Gay Porn Nightmares” for $500, Alex.

I guess I won’t be needing lunch today. Gonna take a while to shake that image.

114 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:33:39pm

re: #111 calochortus

I haven’t been posting a lot here because the whole Ferguson thing is just depressing, so this may have been asked and answered, but it just keeps nagging at me.
Why did Wilson have his gun out to deal with jaywalking? In broad daylight.

Because he was a terrible cop?

115 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 12:34:49pm

re: #111 calochortus

I haven’t been posting a lot here because the whole Ferguson thing is just depressing, so this may have been asked and answered, but it just keeps nagging at me.
Why did Wilson have his gun out to deal with jaywalking? In broad daylight.

I don’t believe that was ever asked/answered. I might be wrong.

116 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:35:54pm

re: #113 No Country For Old Haters

I guess I won’t be needing lunch today. Gonna take a while to shake that image.

Quick way for everybody to lose those kilos (or pounds).

117 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:36:40pm

My opinion:

Wilson drove up on Brown, maybe tried to grab him. Brown broke free and ran. Wilson freaked, pulled his gun and accidentally popped off the round in the vehicle. Now he’s pissed and hits himself in the face getting out of the vehicle and fires at Brown. Brown turns and tries to give up and Wilson finishes him off.

My take until I hear and see any better evidence.

118 calochortus  Nov 26, 2014 12:39:30pm

re: #114 Kragar

Because he was a terrible cop?

Seems likely. If you’re that afraid of the people you’re supposed to be working with, you probably should find another job.

I heard the other day that a lot of men who abuse Black people are not necessarily all that racist, but they are worried about their manhood. An interesting theory.

119 Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2014 12:39:58pm

re: #31 Ace-o-aces

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You know things are getting out of control if even freepers can see the problem.

There are shades of RWNJ in the Threeper/Patriot community who are much closer to LGF than you would expect in regard to these cop shooters. They hate/fear the LE and military for their support of the ‘oppressive’ regimes of XXI Cent America.

120 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:40:21pm

Wilson’s “injury” makes a lot more sense if you imagine him hitting himself on the door frame getting out of the vehicle in a rush than Brown magically being able to reach thru the driver side window and teleport punch him on the right side of his face.

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:41:29pm

re: #117 Kragar

The red mark on the right side of Wilson’s face really does look like a skin graze that would have happened if he jumped out of his car fast, grazed his cheek on the top of the headliner/door opening on his way out, then jerked and hit the back of his head on the same edge of the door opening that got him on the way out.

Please, don’t ask me how I know personally that’s a realistic scenario.

122 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:41:36pm

re: #120 Kragar

I’m open to any scenario at this point, and yours makes as much sense. Didn’t they find MB’s fingerprints inside though?

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:42:11pm

re: #120 Kragar

Wilson’s “injury” makes a lot more sense if you imagine him hitting himself on the door frame getting out of the vehicle in a rush than Brown magically being able to reach thru the driver side window and teleport punch him on the right side of his face.

great minds…

124 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:43:11pm

re: #122 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I’m open to any scenario at this point, and yours makes as much sense. Didn’t they find MB’s fingerprints inside though?

No clue, but I did say Wilson could have grabbed Brown from the car, which is what several witnesses had claimed. Brown could have grabbed the door to get leverage to pull away in this scenario.

125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:43:12pm

Oh wow.

126 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 12:44:09pm

re: #118 calochortus

Seems likely. If you’re that afraid of the people you’re supposed to be working with, you probably should find another job.

A lot of cops are terrified of Americans, and not just black Americans. I’m so white I’m almost blue, and a police sgt in a pretty peaceful suburb was pissing himself with fear when I had a run-in with the cops several months ago. I’m pretty friendly and I had never seen someone fear me so much before or since.

I’m pretty sure that if all the fearful cops quit, there would be very few of them left.

127 calochortus  Nov 26, 2014 12:44:18pm

re: #125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Oh wow.

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We all want the government to take care of us because we are never quite adults, are we?

128 Iwouldprefernotto  Nov 26, 2014 12:44:20pm

re: #125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Oh wow.

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That’s a fact.

129 rhuarc  Nov 26, 2014 12:44:21pm

re: #111 calochortus

I don’t believe he had it out until he says Brown started hitting him in the car. He didn’t want to use his mace because he might get it in his eyes. He didn’t feel his baton would be effective in a close quarters. And he didn’t have a taser because it was uncomfortable to wear. So he went for his gun at which point he says Brown grabbed it. I don’t buy that for a second except if Brown was trying to push the gun away from his body so he wouldn’t get shot by a wreckless cop.

130 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:45:40pm

re: #129 rhuarc

I don’t believe he had it out until he says Brown started hitting him in the car. He didn’t want to use his mace because he might get it in his eyes. He didn’t feel his baton would be effective in a close quarters. And he didn’t have a taser because it was uncomfortable to wear. So he went for his gun at which point he says Brown grabbed it. I don’t buy that for a second except if Brown was trying to push the gun away from his body so he wouldn’t get shot by a wreckless cop.

Its not like he could have hit the gas and pulled away from Brown or anything like that.
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131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:45:51pm

re: #125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

And yet a few of the last tweets make sense. Stopped clock.

(I’m not assuming they’re pissed about Wilson tho, probably some other shooting.)

132 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 12:46:01pm

Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Oh wow.

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133 gwangung  Nov 26, 2014 12:46:16pm

re: #129 rhuarc

I don’t believe he had it out until he says Brown started hitting him in the car. He didn’t want to use his mace because he might get it in his eyes. He didn’t feel his baton would be effective in a close quarters. And he didn’t have a taser because it was uncomfortable to wear. So he went for his gun at which point he says Brown grabbed it. I don’t buy that for a second except if Brown was trying to push the gun away from his body so he wouldn’t get shot by a wreckless cop.

Isn’t this a sign of an incompetent that let a situation get out of hand?

134 Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2014 12:46:18pm

re: #25 The Vicious Fergushka

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I assume that’s because Britain doesn’t have a Second Amendment which allows every Tom, Dick and Harry to own a gun. I’m not surprised that US police officers have to be heavily armed. I am alarmed, however, at the misuse/overuse of guns against African Americans. Every police officer should have to wear a body camera. That may lessen this problem.

135 calochortus  Nov 26, 2014 12:46:49pm

re: #126 No Country For Old Haters

So, have municipalities considered having a bunch of older women do the policing? We know bullshit when we hear it, generally can fix perpetrators with our beady eyes, and are stronger than we look.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:47:11pm

re: #130 Kragar

Its not like he could have hit the gas and pulled away from Brown or anything like that.
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And hit that button to roll up the window.

137 rhuarc  Nov 26, 2014 12:47:34pm

re: #117 Kragar

Except Brown’s blood is in the car from when he was shot in the hand in the scuffle at the car.

My take is that Wilson opened the car door into Brown, but it slammed back on him and hit him in the head. He got pissed, grabbed Brown who then tried to get away from the maniac which included Wilson pulling his gun and pointing it at him which is when Brown gets shot in the hand. He breaks free and runs, feels/hears the bullets whizzing past him, stops, turns around to surrender when the maniac cop decided to keep shooting because for some reason he felt threatened by a surrendering kid.

138 EPR-radar  Nov 26, 2014 12:47:36pm

re: #118 calochortus

Seems likely. If you’re that afraid of the people you’re supposed to be working with, you probably should find another job.

I heard the other day that a lot of men who abuse Black people are not necessarily all that racist, but they are worried about their manhood. An interesting theory.

Old-style lynchings frequently included castration before the hanging. More support for that theory.

139 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:47:49pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Then again, maybe they do.

140 calochortus  Nov 26, 2014 12:49:10pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

Old-style lynchings frequently included castration before the hanging. More support for that theory.

Very true.

141 rhuarc  Nov 26, 2014 12:49:36pm

re: #130 Kragar

Then the Wilson would be seen as a pussy who had his authority disrespected and that is just not allowed in the cop world. He would forever be known as the cop who retreated from a situation in which he could legally kill a black kid. He would have never lived that down on that force.

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 12:49:48pm

makes me think of UpChuck:

143 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 12:50:39pm

re: #137 rhuarc

Except Brown’s blood is in the car from when he was shot in the hand in the scuffle at the car.

My take is that Wilson opened the car door into Brown, but it slammed back on him and hit him in the head. He got pissed, grabbed Brown who then tried to get away from the maniac which included Wilson pulling his gun and pointing it at him which is when Brown gets shot in the hand. He breaks free and runs, feels/hears the bullets whizzing past him, stops, turns around to surrender when the maniac cop decided to keep shooting because for some reason he felt threatened by a surrendering kid.

That or something similar still sounds the most plausible to me. I still believe Wilson was pissed when Brown and Johnson did not immediately get out of the road after he barked at them to do so, which provoked him into slamming his SUV into reverse and nearly running them over. That in turn led to a shouting match between an angry cop and an equally pissed teen, at which time Wilson tried to get out of his car to arrest Brown. What for? Who knows, probably some trumped up charge that would allow him to put the “thug” in a holding cell for awhile to “teach him a lesson.”

144 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 12:50:39pm

re: #117 Kragar

My opinion:

Wilson drove up on Brown, maybe tried to grab him. Brown broke free and ran. Wilson freaked, pulled his gun and accidentally popped off the round in the vehicle. Now he’s pissed and hits himself in the face getting out of the vehicle and fires at Brown. Brown turns and tries to give up and Wilson finishes him off.

My take until I hear and see any better evidence.

From the transcript of Brown’s friend, Wilson drove past Brown, stopped, then backed up fast almost hitting Brown. Wilson then said “Get out of the fucking street” to Brown. At this time both Brown and his friend were by the police car. When Wilson tried to open his door, he hit both of them and the door bounced closed. Wilson then grabbed Browns shirt/arm and tried to pull him back to the door. Brown resisted, and at some point Wilson said he was going to shoot Brown, pulled his weapon and discharged it through the door.

Brown was hit and started moving away from the car. Wilson fired more shots at Brown, hitting him a number of times. At some point Brown turned around with his hands raised and was shot again, started collapsing to the ground all while Wilson continued to fire his weapon.

That’s my take from the transcript of Brown’s friend (whose name I’ve forgotten).

145 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:50:43pm

re: #137 rhuarc

Except Brown’s blood is in the car from when he was shot in the hand in the scuffle at the car.

My take is that Wilson opened the car door into Brown, but it slammed back on him and hit him in the head. He got pissed, grabbed Brown who then tried to get away from the maniac which included Wilson pulling his gun and pointing it at him which is when Brown gets shot in the hand. He breaks free and runs, feels/hears the bullets whizzing past him, stops, turns around to surrender when the maniac cop decided to keep shooting because for some reason he felt threatened by a surrendering kid.

Still fits the basic scenario I laid out

146 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 12:51:08pm

re: #125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Oh wow.

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Well, Ann Coulter is a freeper.

147 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 12:53:00pm

re: #145 Kragar

Apparently it didn’t make any impact on the GJ. Sounds like cop rage followed by homicide to me.

Here’s the link to the transcript. You need to get to page 100 to see what transpired.

scribd.com

148 EPR-radar  Nov 26, 2014 12:53:14pm

re: #125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

On the available evidence, the votes of straight, white, Christian men are the votes that are destroying America.

149 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 12:53:42pm

They said he was 20.

150 urbanmeemaw  Nov 26, 2014 12:54:37pm

re: #130 Kragar

Its not like he could have hit the gas and pulled away from Brown or anything like that.
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A commenter over at Charlie Pierce’s place said he was accosted by three guys who wanted to steal his phones while he was sitting in the driver’s seat. He said Wlson’s story didn’t ring true to him because the first thing one of the guys did was lean over and take his keys out of the ignition so he couldn’t drive away.

151 gwangung  Nov 26, 2014 12:54:47pm

re: #144 Skip Intro

From the transcript of Brown’s friend, Wilson drove past Brown, stopped, then backed up fast almost hitting Brown. Wilson then said “Get out of the fucking street” to Brown. At this time both Brown and his friend were by the police car. When Wilson tried to open his door, he hit both of them and the door bounced closed. Wilson then grabbed Browns shirt/arm and tried to pull him back to the door. Brown resisted, and at some point Wilson said he was going to shoot Brown, pulled his weapon and discharged it through the door.

Brown was hit and started moving away from the car. Wilson fired more shots at Brown, hitting him a number of times. At some point Brown turned around with his hands raised and was shot again, started collapsing to the ground all while Wilson continued to fire his weapon.

That’s my take from the transcript of Brown’s friend (whose name I’ve forgotten).

Yup. The final shot, through the top of the head and through the eye socket, was probably when Brown was on his knees, perhaps falling forward. Given that Wilson was the same height, I can’t conceive of any other geometry and still fit the ballistics.

152 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 12:57:25pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

OK, that last one was about another shooting, as I suspected. I suppose, the same commenter would want to lynch MB if given a chance.

153 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 12:59:18pm

re: #151 gwangung

Yup. The final shot, through the top of the head and through the eye socket, was probably when Brown was on his knees, perhaps falling forward. Given that Wilson was the same height, I can’t conceive of any other geometry and still fit the ballistics.

All professional cops are trained to curve the bullets

154 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 26, 2014 12:59:57pm

I already see any investigation into this quickly going into the infamous “criminal vs incompetent” decision tree where odds are that incompetent is chosen. And which, unfortunately, will not lead to people losing their jobs since it should happen given the scale of injustice regardless of the cause.

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:00:51pm

With a bit of modification, I can see this as one of the coolest toilet paper holders EVAH!

156 calochortus  Nov 26, 2014 1:05:39pm

Time to go do something constructive.

157 No Country For Old Haters  Nov 26, 2014 1:07:57pm

re: #141 rhuarc

Then the Wilson would be seen as a pussy who had his authority disrespected and that is just not allowed in the cop world. He would forever be known as the cop who retreated from a situation in which he could legally kill a black kid. He would have never lived that down on that force.

The misogynistic term “pussy” isn’t appreciated, and Wilson already seems weak after killing an unarmed man because he was too afraid to control himself.

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:09:31pm

I know MrBWS loves Thanksgiving leftovers and (fingers crossed) he’ll be home for Thanksgiving tomorrow, but I’m looking at this turkey he bought a couple of weeks ago, that has been thawing in the fridge since Saturday, and it weighs 21 freaking pounds!

I sure hope that Nor’easter hitting the east coast right now isn’t going to be as bad as predicted…

*mumble* *grumble*

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:11:13pm

yep, my dogs look at me like this ALL THE TIME when they pretend they don’t know what I’m saying:

160 CuriousLurker  Nov 26, 2014 1:13:07pm
161 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:13:28pm

re: #156 calochortus

Time to go do something constructive.

I already did. Taking sides of broccoli salad, deviled eggs, pan dressing, sweet potato casserole—those are already done and in the fridge—and fixings for green bean casserole (yeah, I know) over to my g-daughter’s for tomorrow’s big pig-out. They are roasting two 20 lb turkeys, making potato salad (this is southern-style, you know), and 2 pies and banana pudding for desserts. I’ll make the gravy when I get there, early.

Groan. That’s for about 10 people, and everyone will be taking some of it home.

I did get a turkey but it’s in the freezer for xmas. I just take advantage of the low turkey prices right now. : )

Meanwhile, we know how sloppy the evidence was handled in this case. Hopefully, something will come out of the Justice Dept investigation that will slap the Ferguson PD in the head.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:14:24pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

Just saw that on my TL and can’t stop laughing.
It’s like the characters reacting in a really bad low-budget horror film.

163 dog philosopher  Nov 26, 2014 1:15:11pm

wishing you all peas and harmonicas in this season of thankseating

164 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:15:46pm

re: #163 dog philosopher

wishing you all peas and harmonicas in this season of thankseating

And don’t let the family drama get you down. : )

165 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 1:16:05pm
166 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:17:08pm

re: #165 Kragar

Hell, even Scalia think the Grand Jury was bullshit

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I thought it was pretty much a “trial” to get Wilson off. And it was Michael Brown on trial.

167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:18:18pm
168 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 1:18:35pm

Correction: The Scalia statements were taken from previous cases regarding Grand Juries, not specifically the Ferguson GJ

169 Kryptik  Nov 26, 2014 1:18:46pm

It’s so goddamn depressing just how accepted, writ large, Wilson’s account of everything has become. It’s just accepted fact at this point that Brown was a hyperviolent super-thug that brought it all on himself, and that’s just…

Christ.

170 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 1:19:27pm

re: #165 Kragar

And he explains it well. Fuck McCulloch.

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:19:32pm

re: #165 Kragar

If only McCulloch could have been the judge in addition to being defense attorney and prosecutor, this whole grand jury thing could have been taken care of in just a couple of hours.

//dripping

172 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 1:19:49pm

re: #168 Kragar

Correction: The Scalia statements were taken from previous cases regarding Grand Juries, not specifically the Ferguson GJ

They still apply 100%.

173 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 1:20:02pm

re: #169 Kryptik

It’s so goddamn depressing just how accepted, writ large, Wilson’s account of everything has become. It’s just accepted fact at this point that Brown was a hyperviolent super-thug that brought it all on himself, and that’s just…

Christ.

Just like Zimmerman’s struggle against the MMA fighter was treated as the “real” version of events after he was acquitted. Of course, it helps that the only other party who could call bullshit on his story is dead.

174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 1:20:22pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

If only he could have been the GJ itself.

175 Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2014 1:21:18pm
176 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 1:21:28pm

re: #172 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

They still apply 100%.

True, I just wanted to be clear as to their source and context.

177 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:21:53pm

re: #174 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

If only he could have been the GJ itself.

I was going to stay that, too, but I didn’t want to suggest he overextend himself…

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 26, 2014 1:24:21pm

re: #169 Kryptik

It’s so goddamn depressing just how accepted, writ large, Wilson’s account of everything has become. It’s just accepted fact at this point that Brown was a hyperviolent super-thug that brought it all on himself, and that’s just…

Christ.

Most people have only passing interest in politics and events outside their local area. Unless they frequent a place (or people) who talk about these events in detail their only information input is going to be MSM and water cooler talk. And it’s been pretty clear how the narrative on Ferguson has been set by the networks and media.

179 EPR-radar  Nov 26, 2014 1:25:51pm

In the credit where credit is due department, here we have a RedState moderator and front pager trying to get his side to stop dancing on the grave of Michael Brown. redstate.com

In back and forth in the comments, Streiff provides this characterization of Officer Wilson, which I happen to agree with completely.

I see him as an immature jerk who tried to show some black kid who had the biggest wee-wee and let events get out of control. I saw the interview. I read the self-serving “purjimony” to the grand jury. If he had been a non-cop with these facts he’d be in jail. I’m not saying he belongs there but he doesn’t need to have a badge and a gun and be in the business of enforcing laws.

180 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 1:26:46pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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My, how nice to know that they’re all broken up over the Brown family’s loss.

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181 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:28:32pm

I still think there were quite a few agitators in the crowds last night. One news acct this am about a cop car being tipped showed a white guy up front (it was a side view and he was wearing a hoodie, but his hands/wrists were very pale); another showed a guy w/a Guy Fawkes mask on coming out of the looted Dollar Tree store. Wearing a mask is a cowardly act, esp if you’re engaging in criminal activities and encouraging others to do the same.

That’s the kind of shit that really pisses me off. There’s no excuse for it.

Most of the real protesting was peaceful, and those people were not violent, destructive, or arsonists. And they showed their faces as well.

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:32:17pm
183 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 1:32:26pm

re: #179 EPR-radar

RedState is the moderate faction of the ultra-mega-crazy subset of the Tea Party.

184 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 1:36:06pm

And yes, it’s not the first time Leon Wolf makes sense.

185 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 1:36:29pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This GJ was a joke.

186 goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2014 1:36:50pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mccullough actually wrote that as a response to a question by a GJ member?

187 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:37:21pm

#Ferguson protests aren’t confined to US.

188 makeitstop  Nov 26, 2014 1:38:02pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

Prosecutor instructed grand jury not to indict

McCulloch and his minion should both be facing disbarment.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:38:15pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

Mccullough actually wrote that as a response to a question by a GJ member?

No, I think that was the assistant prosecuting attorney.

190 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 1:38:48pm
191 EPR-radar  Nov 26, 2014 1:39:01pm

re: #183 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

RedState is the moderate faction of the ultra-mega-crazy subset of the Tea Party.

Pretty much. RedState is hard right on all the issues, while rejecting open displays of racism and neo-Confederacy. This is starting to become a self-contradictory position as the US right continues its degeneration.

192 EPR-radar  Nov 26, 2014 1:42:12pm

re: #190 Kragar

If the cops are going to close ranks around Office Wilson and then say “you are either with us or against us”, then I’ll have no choice other than “against”.

If cops don’t want to be called pigs, then they can damn well not act like pigs.

193 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 26, 2014 1:44:14pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Disgruntled shop window artist of the day

Could well be just the result of handing the job over to some intern who had no idea what was needed.

194 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 1:45:20pm

An officer grabbed her left leg, and then swept her right leg out from under her, causing her to crash into the pavement face and belly first.

At that point, an officer turned and looked at Frasier. “Camera!” he shouted.

Frasier said that the one of the officers seized his tablet against his wishes, and demanded to know which program he used to record the video.

“The first officer that comes up to ask me about my witness statement, brings me to the police car, and says, ‘We can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way,’” Frasier noted. “It was taken as you can either cooperate and give us what you want or we’re going to incarcerate you.”

When the tablet was returned, the video had been deleted, he said.

But Frasier said that officers did not realized that his video had already been automatically uploaded to cloud servers, and he was able to retrieve it when he returned home.

195 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:45:44pm

re: #1 gwangung

Surprise, surprise.

“Probable cause” doesn’t apply to not finding grounds to charge, as this asst prosecutor is saying. It applies to finding enough evidence to indict, or a true bill.

Them wuz some twisted words…

I will remain mystified that a preliminary hearing wasn’t held, rather than putting this case before a grand jury.

I suppose McCulloch couldn’t manipulate his way in a courtroom as he did this grand jury.

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:46:28pm
DENVER — Video taken by a witness during an arrest shows a Denver police officer punching a suspect in the face six times and then tripping the man’s girlfriend who is seven-and-a-half months pregnant, causing her to land on her belly and face.

The witness who took the video claims an officer then took the tablet he was using to record the arrest, deleted the video file, not realizing it had already been stored on the electronic cloud.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:47:29pm

re: #194 Kragar

I need to be quicker, dammit! :D

198 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:47:58pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There is a good rationale for requiring cops to wear body cameras, too.

199 Mike Lamb  Nov 26, 2014 1:48:48pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Oh noes! The grass half cut??!? The poor dear.

200 goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2014 1:49:49pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, I think that was the assistant prosecuting attorney.

That’s sill the prosecutor’s office. The whole “proving a negative” thing is impossible to interpret as anything other than an explicit instruction not to indict.

The line about “You remember from your grand jury days,” is odd though. We’re sure it was written to someone who was actually on the Grand Jury at the time, because that’s a strange phrasing to apply to a currently sitting juror.

201 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 1:50:34pm

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

There is a good rationale for requiring cops to wear body cameras, too.

I’d like to add atop that that, while wearing that camera, any attempt to disable it or tamper with the video from the moment they clock in til the moment they clock out will be an automatic suspension without pay, with any attempts after that grounds for automatic dismissal from the force and forfeiture of benefits.

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:50:40pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

true. I was just pointing out that it wasn’t McCulloch’s name in the transcript saying that.
Pretty sure he approved it, however.

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 26, 2014 1:50:52pm

re: #190 Kragar

To the teacher: The lesson is simple. Tell them to assume that they are in danger at every second they are dealing with a cop, to keep their hands in the air at all times, to kowtow and kiss ass as politely as possible. To do anything else is to court extrajudicial execution.

204 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:51:11pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

I’d like to add atop that that, while wearing that camera, any attempt to disable it or tamper with the video from the moment they clock in til the moment they clock out will be an automatic suspension without pay, with any attempts after that grounds for automatic dismissal from the force and forfeiture of benefits.

Exactly.

205 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 26, 2014 1:51:46pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

To the teacher: The lesson is simple. Tell them to assume that they are in danger at every second they are dealing with a cop, to keep their hands in the air at all times, to kowtow and kiss ass as politely as possible. To do anything else is to court extrajudicial execution.

(I considered sarc tags but, really, this more true than not)

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:51:46pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

To the teacher: The lesson is simple. Tell them to assume that they are in danger at every second they are dealing with a cop, to keep their hands in the air at all times, to kowtow and kiss ass as politely as possible. To do anything else is to court extrajudicial execution.

That assumes the police give you more than a split second to raise your hands before opening fire on you.

207 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 26, 2014 1:52:42pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

That assumes the police give you more than a split second to raise your hands before opening fire on you.

Then learn to walk around with your hands up at all times.

208 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 1:52:44pm
209 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 1:53:41pm

Racists are running the show.

210 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 1:54:04pm

And….got my email from above.

Out of here & into the commute from hell.

Catch ya later.

211 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 1:55:25pm
212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 1:56:16pm

no. words.

Here’s the only information the MPD would offer, from a police report (emphasis ours): “The victim’s vehicle was damaged by a large group of people. While he was attempting to flee from the mob, he struck a pedestrian.”

So there you have it. The “victim” in this case was not the 16-year-old girl whose legs were crushed under a car, but the driver of said car. Looking at the video, it seems like the police have scrambled the order of events to exonerate the assailant. A “mob” doesn’t form around the vehicle until after the driver intentionally plowed through people.

213 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:56:49pm

re: #208 #FergusonFireside

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What does it matter, as far as the actual killing of this kid, what kind of parents he had?

This was a 12 yr old child, for chrissakes. If he was showing any signs of violence himself, where were the adults in the system who were helping him get a better grip on life?

We neglect all children at our peril.

214 sagehen  Nov 26, 2014 1:57:08pm

re: #137 rhuarc

Except Brown’s blood is in the car from when he was shot in the hand in the scuffle at the car.

That’s one theory.

Or Brown’s blood is in the car because Wilson got blood on his hand after he felt a need to touch a dead body and wiped his hand on the door or the dashboard or the upholstery after he got into the car; or Brown’s blood sprayed on Wilson if he was reasonably close the last couple of shots, and transferred from Wilson’s uniform to the upholstery after he sat down; then he drove the car to the station where evidence people got their first crack at it.

215 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:58:13pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

no. words.

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That just horrified me, and now I’m even more horrified at the driver not being charged.

It looked very deliberate to me.

216 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 1:58:41pm

re: #214 sagehen

That’s one theory.

Or Brown’s blood is in the car because Wilson got blood on his hand after he felt a need to touch a dead body and wiped his hand on the door or the dashboard or the upholstery after he got into the car; or Brown’s blood sprayed on Wilson if he was reasonably close the last couple of shots, and transferred from Wilson’s uniform to the upholstery after he sat down; then he drove the car to the station where evidence people got their first crack at it.

We’ll likely never know about that, because he was allowed to wash his hands as soon as he got back to the station. But hey, he assured them that it had to be Brown’s, because he had no cuts on his hands, so apparently that makes it alright.

217 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 1:59:06pm

re: #214 sagehen

That’s one theory.

Or Brown’s blood is in the car because Wilson got blood on his hand after he felt a need to touch a dead body and wiped his hand on the door or the dashboard or the upholstery after he got into the car; or Brown’s blood sprayed on Wilson if he was reasonably close the last couple of shots, and transferred from Wilson’s uniform to the upholstery after he sat down; then he drove the car to the station where evidence people got their first crack at it.

Any cop who would shoot an unarmed “suspect” would cover his ass in more ways than one.

218 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 2:01:39pm

I do find myself wondering how much of Wilson’s testimony, and his attitude since the shooting, has been that of a man trying to battle with a guilty conscience. Because the only other conclusion I could reach is the man is a sociopath who felt nothing over the death of another human being at his hand.

219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:01:45pm

re: #214 sagehen

That is the best explanation I’ve heard yet.

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:02:12pm
221 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:02:29pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

[self-censored]

222 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:03:57pm

re: #215 Justanotherhuman

That just horrified me, and now I’m even more horrified at the driver not being charged.

It looked very deliberate to me.

Of course it was. Nobody forced him to ride right into the crowd.

223 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 2:04:15pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

no. words.

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There’s overhead video from a news copter that shows the driver swerving around other cars and into the mass of protesters, and no one touching their car until after they HIT SOMEONE.

We talk about Republicans living in an alternate reality but apparently the police do too.

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:04:49pm

re: #222 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Of course it was. Nobody forced him to ride right into the crowd.

And he was stopped, honking his horn, and then revved his vehicle and plowed into the crowd.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:06:11pm

re: #223 klystron

There’s overhead video from a news copter that shows the driver swerving around other cars and into the mass of protesters, and no one touching their car until after they HIT SOMEONE.

We talk about Republicans living in an alternate reality but apparently the police do too.

That’s the stunning disconnect. There’s that video and other video that show a completely different reality than what the police are saying.

226 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 2:08:35pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s the stunning disconnect. There’s that video and other video that show a completely different reality than what the police are saying.

I can only assume that the cops operated off the “victim’s” version of events. And does anyone really believe he told cops that he deliberately plowed through protestors?

227 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 2:09:46pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s the stunning disconnect. There’s that video and other video that show a completely different reality than what the police are saying.

Just between this, the Cleveland video, the Denver video…

Every time they try to claim something other than what reality blatantly is, they destroy credibility and their ability to build any kind of a relationship with the community.

The fact that they don’t care about that is …honestly kind of terrifying.

228 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:10:05pm

If the crowd was full of armed open-carry wingnuts, and the driver would have so much as slightly bumped into one of them, there would have been barely anything left of the “victim”.

229 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:11:11pm

The Obama family does this every year, I think. At least I remember seeing photos like this previously.

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:12:02pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

The Obama family does this every year, I think. At least I remember seeing photos like this previously.

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I see FLOTUS throwing gang signs in that picture…

/////////////////

231 Romantic Heretic  Nov 26, 2014 2:12:07pm

re: #93 Ace-o-aces

Taranteno is a much better director than he gets credit for. He is slavishly devoted to his 70’s b-movie aesthetics, but he does a lot of interesting things despite that. The opening scene in “Inglourious Basterds” could be used as a textbook case of how to build tension in a movie.

And that fight in the bar in Kill Bill Vol. 1 never fails to make my eyes bug out. Especially the spaghetti western music in the final scene with Lucy Liu. A fitting analogy.

232 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 2:12:34pm

Vehicle collisions (they aren’t accidents unless an investigation finds that it was) are poorly investigated by police - especially if they don’t result in fatalities. Even then, charging the driver is extremely uncommon.

That there’s video overhead showing the events undermines the story by the driver. But as we have seen, that’s no guarantee that the police will act. Or that prosecutors will bring charges.

233 Kryptik  Nov 26, 2014 2:13:39pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

They were protesting for known thug and attempted cop-killer Michael Brown, of course they were the perps, it’s a miracle they didn’t pound the poor driver to death with their demonic black bodies!

234 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 26, 2014 2:13:39pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep, my dogs look at me like this ALL THE TIME when they pretend they don’t know what I’m saying:

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They obviously never tested Malamutes. The two that I had could have cared less about what I was saying unless there was food involved. :)))))

235 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 2:13:40pm

re: #125 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Oh wow.

FreeRepublic.txt selects the “Best Of” FR to make fun of, which doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s typical.

@cafenetamerica and @FreeRepublicUSA are actual FReeper accounts and they are full of authentic Freeper Derp.

236 Kryptik  Nov 26, 2014 2:14:35pm

re: #227 klystron

The more terrifying thing is how many people swallow it all without question.

237 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:15:34pm

re: #235 The Vicious Fergushka

From what I’ve read of the freep, that’s pretty typical.

238 urbanmeemaw  Nov 26, 2014 2:16:07pm

re: #214 sagehen

That’s one theory.

Or Brown’s blood is in the car because Wilson got blood on his hand after he felt a need to touch a dead body and wiped his hand on the door or the dashboard or the upholstery after he got into the car; or Brown’s blood sprayed on Wilson if he was reasonably close the last couple of shots, and transferred from Wilson’s uniform to the upholstery after he sat down; then he drove the car to the station where evidence people got their first crack at it.

Here’s an excellent summary of gaps in the GJ testimony/documentation:

huffingtonpost.com

Also note that Wilson’s gun not tested for fingerprints, which is interesting since he claims Michael grabbed it.

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:17:39pm
240 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:18:30pm

re: #238 urbanmeemaw

Here’s an excellent summary of gaps in the GJ testimony/documentation:

huffingtonpost.com

Also note that Wilson’s gun not tested for fingerprints, which is interesting since he claims Michael grabbed it.

Hey, do you doubt the word of an upstanding police officer? You must be an anti-American terrorist. /

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:18:37pm
242 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:18:56pm

Comparing Ferguson grand jury testimonies

washingtonpost.com

Two white “professionals” vs a Black kid…

And, of course, Brown looked like a “demon”.

Gah.

243 Romantic Heretic  Nov 26, 2014 2:22:05pm

re: #137 rhuarc

Except Brown’s blood is in the car from when he was shot in the hand in the scuffle at the car.

My take is that Wilson opened the car door into Brown, but it slammed back on him and hit him in the head. He got pissed, grabbed Brown who then tried to get away from the maniac which included Wilson pulling his gun and pointing it at him which is when Brown gets shot in the hand. He breaks free and runs, feels/hears the bullets whizzing past him, stops, turns around to surrender when the maniac cop decided to keep shooting because for some reason he felt threatened by a surrendering kid didn’t like being disrespected by an uppity niclang.

FTFY.

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:22:16pm

hey, klys, check this out!

245 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:25:06pm

re: #243 Romantic Heretic

FTFY.

And to top the rest of the shooting off, he emptied his gun into Brown’s head.

Christ, is that what you get for being suspected of petty theft in MO?

Remind me not to go there. Oh wait, I’m an old white woman. But I’ll never set foot in MO because obviously all humans aren’t equally valuable.

246 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 2:26:01pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey, klys, check this out!

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Amazing and so very beyond my skills.

Maybe I will post another in-progress photo today, if I get the chance. We have been dealing with getting the wills in order, etc., and my day is being eaten alive by getting ducks in order.

247 makeitstop  Nov 26, 2014 2:29:07pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

That’s sill the prosecutor’s office. The whole “proving a negative” thing is impossible to interpret as anything other than an explicit instruction not to indict.

The line about “You remember from your grand jury days,” is odd though. We’re sure it was written to someone who was actually on the Grand Jury at the time, because that’s a strange phrasing to apply to a currently sitting juror.

I’m pretty sure that’s a transcript, not a letter - so the APA was saying that to a GJ member.

Did McCulloch stack the GJ in addition to tossing the case?

248 danarchy  Nov 26, 2014 3:06:24pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

I’d like to add atop that that, while wearing that camera, any attempt to disable it or tamper with the video from the moment they clock in til the moment they clock out will be an automatic suspension without pay, with any attempts after that grounds for automatic dismissal from the force and forfeiture of benefits.

Even cops gotta go to the bathroom ;)

249 The Vicious Fergushka  Nov 26, 2014 3:16:34pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

no. words.

Here’s the only information the MPD would offer, from a police report (emphasis ours): “The victim’s vehicle was damaged by a large group of people. While he was attempting to flee from the mob, he struck a pedestrian.”

When the same thing happens in Jerusalem it’s called an “Act of Terror”

250 ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2014 4:39:27pm

re: #227 klystron

Just between this, the Cleveland video, the Denver video…

Every time they try to claim something other than what reality blatantly is, they destroy credibility and their ability to build any kind of a relationship with the community.

The fact that they don’t care about that is …honestly kind of terrifying.

It seems all we can hope for is this gets more and more of America aware of the unfairness and unlawful policing going on. Until everyone sees it the same way and demands a complete overhaul of police policy and their overall attitude to the public not much will change. They will just PR it away as doing their jobs and blame it on the victims.

Sadly, with what you see on the net, we are a long way away from a general understanding by everyone. Too many do not see the police as doing anything wrong.

As long as their ‘good’ kids are not getting shot and killed, then the ‘bad’ kids are just up to no good…tough luck, them’s the breaks.


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