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1 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:19:40pm

Thanks, but no.

2 Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2014 2:20:56pm
3 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:21:08pm

Don’t know if I can watch that craven bastard again.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:23:15pm

You can’t make me watch it.
Nope.

5 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 2:25:13pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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It comes across as a guy who’s been coached on what to say and what to emphasize. Of course, it doesn’t help that there were never a written report from Wilson himself, which could be compared to his police interview and his grand jury testimony.

7 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 26, 2014 2:26:07pm

All that supposedly happened in the 90 seconds from the time he stopped his squad car till the time Brown was lying dead in the street?

No wonder the GJ took so long, probably needed that much time to be coached enough.

8 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:29:55pm

re: #6 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Why exactly did the police lie for 108 days about how far Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson?

Surveillance video released of Cleveland police shooting 12-year-old Tamir Rice (Warning: graphic)

Good gawd, did they shoot that kid before they even got out of their cruiser?

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:30:16pm

Upchuck is claiming that ABC is lying when they say they didn’t pay for the interview.
He haz “industry sources” that CONFIRM!!11!! a six-figure payout to Wilson for it.

10 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 2:30:49pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Upchuck is claiming that ABC is lying when they say they didn’t pay for the interview.
He haz “industry sources” that CONFIRM!!11!! a six-figure payout to Wilson for it.

I’ve seen rumors on twitter but nothing at all to confirm.

Of course, unlike Upchuck, I don’t consider rumors on twitter valid sources.

11 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:33:46pm

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

Earlier I wrote jokingly that the normal police shooting time is 2 seconds. Gosh, I thought I was exaggerating for comic effect.

12 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 2:34:52pm

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

Good gawd, did they shoot that kid before they even got out of their cruiser?

That’s what it looked like. Didn’t even attempt to talk to him. Fucking cowards. Scared for their lives my ass.

13 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:36:32pm

Another incompetent coward.

Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon’s spokesman says he will not bring in a special prosecutor in Darren Wilson case - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com

14 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 2:37:52pm

re: #13 Justanotherhuman

Another incompetent coward.

Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon’s spokesman says he will not bring in a special prosecutor in Darren Wilson case - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com

Of course, the GJ reached the conclusion everybody in power wanted, so now they’re going to try to hide behind it.

15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:39:07pm

Here’s a mainstream journalist:

Of course, later McCulloch admitted that it was 153’…

16 Mike Lamb  Nov 26, 2014 2:40:57pm

re: #15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

You can see from the angle that it’s far more than 35 feet.

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:42:17pm

re: #10 klystron

I’ve seen rumors on twitter but nothing at all to confirm.

Of course, unlike Upchuck, I don’t consider rumors on twitter valid sources.

Pretty sure that CCJ is the source of that rumor.

18 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:42:58pm

re: #15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The shithead is now making excuses. E.g.:

19 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:46:10pm

re: #18 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The shithead is now making excuses. E.g.:

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Privileged white guy working for Faux News says what?

20 Archangelus  Nov 26, 2014 2:48:28pm

re: #3 Justanotherhuman

Don’t know if I can watch that craven bastard again.

I certainly can’t, and won’t.

21 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 2:48:43pm

I’m sure there’s nothing to see here either:

A Jacksonville Sheriff’s Officer who fired his gun at an unarmed suspect during a traffic stop Monday night will not be placed on leave, a JSO spokesperson said Tuesday.

Officer J.C. Garcia drew and fired his weapon under the mistaken belief that the driver was holding a gun. In fact, Brian Dennison, 29, was unarmed, and had his 6-year-old daughter in the car with him.

[…]

According to Cook, Dennison was speeding after 9 p.m. because he was rushing home to get medication for his daughter, who had begun suffering an asthma attack. “She’s got really bad allergies,” Cook said.

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:49:40pm
23 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:50:36pm

re: #21 klystron

It’s OK, he tells us he thought the guy had a gun. That means he’s a good, upstanding cop. NEXT!

24 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:50:38pm
25 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:51:17pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s always like that with non-organized movements.

26 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 2:52:03pm

re: #23 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It’s OK, he tells us he thought the guy had a gun. That means he’s a good, upstanding cop. NEXT!

He “shifted his fire” after he realized the other guy didn’t have a gun, so upstanding!

27 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:53:19pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, this one is not so strange, since such things are asked for id purposes.

28 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:54:46pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And, of course, it wasn’t racial. No sirree…

29 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 2:55:54pm

re: #28 Justanotherhuman

And, of course, it wasn’t racial. No sirree…

Maybe not.

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 2:56:43pm

re: #27 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well, this one is not so strange, since such things are asked for id purposes.

Yes, it is strange.
Why not also ask if the boy is Asian or Hispanic if it’s just for ID purposes?

31 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:56:48pm
32 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 2:57:34pm

re: #29 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Maybe not.

See #30.

33 Sherlock Hound  Nov 26, 2014 3:00:04pm

There was a reason people called George, “George Encephalitis” when he was working in government. Will not watch.

34 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:00:07pm

Of course, RT probably loves this.

35 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 26, 2014 3:00:14pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Right on all counts.
It’s all just lawyered up boilerplate. The defense in the possible civil case is well underway. Branding this guy as a civil protector of us all, weasel words crafted around language that police use to justify whatever they do wrong.

I heard Michael Browns mothers reaction to this interview and it about broke my heart. Her words are as compelling as the words above are vapid and misleading.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:00:52pm

Found a couple of links:
thescoopblog.dallasnews.com

texastribune.org

37 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:00:55pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, it is strange.
Why not also ask if the boy is Asian or Hispanic if it’s just for ID purposes?

Listing the most probable options.
For what purposes was it then?

38 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:01:29pm

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

See #30.

Not convincing. ;)

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:02:50pm

re: #38 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Not convincing. ;)

You haven’t spent much time in Cleveland?

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:03:23pm

re: #37 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Listing the most probable options.
For what purposes was it then?

And black or white is “most probable causes options”?
O_o

(edited for my bad typo)

41 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:03:25pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

You haven’t spent much time in Cleveland?

For what purposes then?

42 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:03:45pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

And black or white is “most probable causes”?
O_o

I don’t understand your question.

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:04:55pm

stepping away from the computer for a few minutes due to blatant obtuseness…

good freaking grief.

44 Jenner7  Nov 26, 2014 3:06:37pm

Will not watch that evil man.

Watched the video of the 12 year old being murdered. He has NO chance. None. I was in tears.

Meanwhile, my husband keeps telling me to “let it go” and “it’s done and over with”. I couldn’t believe he actually said that to me. He got the stare and then I just walked away.

Sigh….

45 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:06:40pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

stepping away from the computer for a few minutes due to blatant obtuseness…

good freaking grief.

You still haven’t identified the purpose of the question. Do you really believe it was to ignore the call, if he turned out to be white, as the twitterer suggested?

The version that it was for id purposes, esp. since she asked this immediately after “what does he look like” seems obvious.

46 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:06:48pm

re: #41 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

For what purposes then?

And the “caller” incorrectly labeled a 12 yr old as a “guy” which I always presume is an adult, not a child.

47 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:08:49pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

As for obtuseness, when you ask something like “And black or white is “most probable causes”?” (probable causes? who talked about causes?), expect not understanding.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:09:15pm

re: #45 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

You still haven’t identified the purpose of the question. Do you really believe it was to ignore the call, if he turned out to be white, as the twitterer suggested?

The version the it was for id purposes, esp. since she asked this immediately after “what does he look like” seems obvious.

You said black or white was perfectly fine for ID purposes.
There are a lot more people in Cleveland than “black or white”.

“Black or white” is a stupid way to classify people for ID.
“What is he wearing?” is a much better method of ID.

49 Jenner7  Nov 26, 2014 3:09:58pm

theatlantic.com

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:10:05pm

And newsflash! Not all black people “look black”, nor do all white people “look white”.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 26, 2014 3:11:25pm

re: #31 Justanotherhuman

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I’ve been making that pledge every black Friday for years.

52 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:12:40pm

United against police aggression. Very good descriptive.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:14:11pm
54 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:15:31pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

For all I know, those might be the most probable options for that particular area. I’ll grant that that’s hardly the best way to phrase a question, but that still seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. As for the clothes, she did ask what he looked liked and got a description. Why would she also not ask about the skin color (preferably in a better way)?

Do you agree that she asked that not because she would ignore the call if he was white? If not, why did she ask?

55 OhNoZombies!  Nov 26, 2014 3:15:34pm

Cleveland has a very diverse population, it’s not just black and white.
Unless it happened in East Cleveland, and in that case, everyone is pretty much black.
I don’t know all of the details, cause I’m tired of this shit.

56 Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 26, 2014 3:15:41pm

Didn’t have any other choices? Wrong… So very wrong.

Just off the top of my head:

Why start off an encounter with an alleged thief/assault suspect with an asinine, aggressive command to not walk in the street?

Why confront two possible criminals alone in the first place? Especially if one of them is a Giant Demon Negro?

He was in an SUV, so he had an advantage: A 5,000 lb. escape vehicle ready to go. Getting into and out of a car or rolling up to somebody while belted in puts you at a DISadvantage though. So he’s immediately giving up the security he does have by closing up, or allowing Brown & his friend to close.

Did the SUV have a loud hailer?

What the hell was he doing getting close enough to be grabbed?

He feared for his life and felt like he was being punched to death by Black Godzilla Ali, yet all those punches left marks that looked only slightly worse than mild razor burn? Seriously??

Anybody who knows even basic, basic self-defense principles - which police should know - should look at this outcome and smell something rotten…

Never mind what a complete bag of dicks you have to be to say “I’d do it again the same way”. Not exactly the best and brightest, I’m afraid. Yup, I’m passing judgment.

57 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 3:17:58pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As well, the number of those who say Brown “charged” versus those who say he didn’t is 6-5, with N/A outnumbering both. So much for “dozens of witnesses” corroborating Wilson’s story.

58 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 3:18:22pm

AHHHH!!! Free Republic commentators making sense. What bizarre world is this!?

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:18:47pm

re: #54 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

For all I know, those might be the most probable options for that particular area. I’ll grant that that’s hardly the best way to phrase a question, but that still seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. As for the clothes, she did ask what he looked liked and got a description. Why would she also not ask about the skin color (preferably in a better way)?

Do you agree that she asked that not because she would ignore the call if he was white? If not, why did she ask?

It’s good for you that you live somewhere that “is he white or black?” is nothing more than a valid question of ID.

And how police are prepared to respond when they arrive on the scene.

60 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 3:20:34pm

Holy crap we might get a whole inch (!!!!!!!!!) of rain on Saturday.

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:21:09pm

re: #60 klystron

Holy crap we might get a whole inch (!!!!!!!!!) of rain on Saturday.

Put out every bucket, pot and other container you have!

62 dog philosopher  Nov 26, 2014 3:21:15pm

Enthusiasts and Skeptics Debate Artificial Intelligence

if artificial intelligence is achieved, humans will be too stupid to recognize it

63 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 26, 2014 3:21:45pm

Well. He has had months to rehearse.

64 Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 26, 2014 3:22:25pm

Actually, maybe Wilson says he’d do it again because deep down he’s just another racist cop. He got to fulfill the ultimate Right Wing Wet Dream of gunning down a big, skerry, savage Ni*clang* in the street without consequence. A lot of white guys are living vicariously through him and are glad to see him go free because he got to do what they would be thrilled to do: Pull the trigger on the black man.

65 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:22:57pm

re: #62 dog philosopher

Enthusiasts and Skeptics Debate Artificial Intelligence

if artificial intelligence is achieved, humans will be too stupid to recognize it

Does that include the robot model of the blow-up doll?

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:23:42pm

re: #64 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’d do it again because he knows he can get away with it.

67 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 3:23:54pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Put out every bucket, pot and other container you have!

They’re talking about the possibility of up to a foot in some of the hill spots over the next 7 days!

It’s not nearly enough, but dear god, we haven’t had good rain in a long time.

Clearly, we need to get the Christmas tree on Friday. :D

68 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:24:23pm

re: #67 klystron

They’re talking about the possibility of up to a foot in some of the hill spots over the next 7 days!

It’s not nearly enough, but dear god, we haven’t had good rain in a long time.

Clearly, we need to get the Christmas tree on Friday. :D

Look out for flooding, though…

69 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 3:25:12pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

Look out for flooding, though…

The places that know to watch will.

We are in a flood zone only in the sense that if the dam upstream fails, yeah, the house is gone.

70 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:25:51pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

If a person is to be identified, I do expect the skin color to be a part of the description (unless we’re talking about a very “homogeneous” society), just as any other more obvious characteristics (clothes, individual “marks”, whatever). That this may lead to certain tragic consequences in more racist societies is neither here nor there when it comes to the question of whether or not to include it in the description. If a racist cop is gonna shoot a black person, they will shoot them after id’ing them by clothes. No diff there.

71 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 26, 2014 3:26:17pm

It occurs to me that chicken is as close as you’re going to get to eating velociraptor.

Also, does eating small quantity of chicken every day eventually bestow immunity to dinosaurs? I’d like to think so.

72 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:26:41pm

In this county, it’s probably more like 50%. Well, it is in NC which made most of its money in tobacco.

CDC study: Fewer than 18% of American adults smoke cigarettes, a new low - @latimes
read more on latimes.com

73 Mike Lamb  Nov 26, 2014 3:27:51pm

re: #56 Pawn of the Oppressor

Although you raise good points, the key to me is this: Mike Brown was over 150 feet away from him. A half a football field. The idea that his only option was to continue shooting him until he was dead is a non-starter. At that point, his excuses for not macing him are gone, as are his excuses not to use a baton or flashlight. Hell, don’t the mace cans that they issue to police have a good 5 to 10 foot reach?

74 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:29:20pm

We can quit cigarettes but we can’t quit racism?

How fucked up is that?

75 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:31:57pm

We’re just getting rain here…

National Weather Service: 7.5” of snow reported in Susquehanna and Hazleton, Pa., and 7.4” in Binghamton, NY - @breakingweather
read more on accuweather.com

And New England states are getting up to a foot of snow. Advisories are telling people not to travel today or tomorrow.

A good excuse to spare yourself the family drama?

76 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 3:32:02pm

re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

It occurs to me that chicken is as close as you’re going to get to eating velociraptor.

Also, does eating small quantity of chicken every day eventually bestow immunity to dinosaurs? I’d like to think so.

I am nominating this for top comment because it is pure awesome.

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:32:32pm

re: #70 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

We’re going to have to agree to disagree.
American society is getting more homogeneous all the time (Zimmerman wasn’t white, he was Hispanic!!11!!)
Some white people spend so much time in the tanning beds, they are darker than most “blacks” that are in my family.
Skin color is no longer a matter of “white or black” in America. There is only ONE connotation: which one will the police assume is more likely to be violent? (Or as Fischer so not-subtly put it “possessed by a demon”)?

78 Jenner7  Nov 26, 2014 3:32:35pm

huffingtonpost.com

I know this will sound paranoid, but I’ve always thought (after about a year into his first term) Democrats in Congress wanted to sabotage Obama’s agenda.

79 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:34:09pm

re: #76 klystron

I am nominating this for top comment because it is pure awesome.

I’ll be eating some velociraptor tomorrow, won’t you? : )

80 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 26, 2014 3:34:54pm

re: #76 klystron

I am nominating this for top comment because it is pure awesome.

Follow up thought: how tasty will humans be in thirty million years?

Now I’m thinking “Eloi Nuggets” and getting hungry.

81 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 26, 2014 3:35:22pm

re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

It occurs to me that chicken is as close as you’re going to get to eating velociraptor.

Also, does eating small quantity of chicken every day eventually bestow immunity to dinosaurs? I’d like to think so.

82 OhNoZombies!  Nov 26, 2014 3:35:30pm

My understanding in the Cleveland case, is that the dispatcher failed to give the caller’s description of this being a child with a gun that was probably a toy. However, dispatch gave them the race…
I would think that a full description of the situation would be important, especially since this occurred on a playground.

83 danarchy  Nov 26, 2014 3:35:37pm

re: #73 Mike Lamb

Although you raise good points, the key to me is this: Mike Brown was over 150 feet away from him. A half a football field. The idea that his only option was to continue shooting him until he was dead is a non-starter. At that point, his excuses for not macing him are gone, as are his excuses not to use a baton or flashlight. Hell, don’t the mace cans that they issue to police have a good 5 to 10 foot reach?

Well, he was 150 feet from the SUV, I haven’t found a real good description of how far apart the two of them were, but I think most witnesses said Wilson was chasing him and they were about 35’ apart when he actually shot him.

84 Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2014 3:36:10pm
85 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 3:36:26pm

re: #60 klystron

Holy crap we might get a whole inch (!!!!!!!!!) of rain on Saturday.

We’re used to measuring it by hundredths of an inch down here on the central coast. We may get as much as a tenth this time. Still won’t break 2 inches for the year though.

86 danarchy  Nov 26, 2014 3:37:51pm

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

We’re just getting rain here…

National Weather Service: 7.5” of snow reported in Susquehanna and Hazleton, Pa., and 7.4” in Binghamton, NY - @breakingweather
read more on accuweather.com

And New England states are getting up to a foot of snow. Advisories are telling people not to travel today or tomorrow.

A good excuse to spare yourself the family drama?

Got a few inches so far here in central MA, the dog is loving it, me not so much.

87 Jenner7  Nov 26, 2014 3:38:15pm

Leave with this, going to make pies…

88 Mike Lamb  Nov 26, 2014 3:38:27pm

re: #83 danarchy

I hadn’t seen that. I knew Wilson gave chase, but wasn’t sure how far. It still doesn’t alter my point—you now have time to consider other options other than lethal force.

89 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:44:40pm

re: #87 Jenner7

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Leave with this, going to make pies…

I don’t find it too amazing that Wilson married another officer, either. No doubt the entire dept is of a similar mind as his, you know, “soul mates”.

How in hell do these people live with themselves?

90 Kryptik  Nov 26, 2014 3:44:45pm

re: #87 Jenner7

Antonio French
Month 4: Still no firings, no resignations, no admissions of guilty, no acceptance of responsibility, and no meaningful change.

But assuredly there will be much more firing (of guns), sighs of resignation, assurances of (Brown’s) guilt, acceptance of (Brown’s) responsibility, and far more meaningful change once “those people” are taught what animals they really are.

91 darthstar  Nov 26, 2014 3:45:18pm

IT’S A TRAP!

92 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:45:33pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the question of the inadequacy of labels, and it’s a fair question. I think 100% “hit” is not necessary for a police description. “Close enough” will do. Not to mention that non-“quantitative” labels such as “Hispanic” are not really descriptive, since Hispanics can be white and black too, and “Asians” can include anyone from Japanese to Pakistanis.

As for the effects of this, I guarantee that the same cops would have shot the boy without knowing his race in advance.

93 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 3:46:43pm

re: #79 Justanotherhuman

I’ll be eating some velociraptor tomorrow, won’t you? : )

Nope.

Dinner tomorrow at Chez klys will be grilled gruyere cheese and olive tapenade sandwiches with tomato on olive bread and a lemon Caesar kale salad.

It’s just the two of us and neither of us are fond enough of Thanksgiving food to want turkey (or chicken) for the next month.

94 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 3:47:07pm

Of the witnesses who claimed to have seen something (not NA but a yes or no) 15 said that they saw Wilson firing on Brown as Brown ran away, which would mean that he fired with intent to hit Brown in the back.

Kind of makes it tough to claim that Wilson didn’t intend to shoot Brown in the back. It’s just that Wilson missed and only hit Brown when he was closer, when he had his hands up, and as he was likely falling down from multiple gunshot wounds in order to sustain the shot on the top of his head.

There was a split on whether Brown was kneeling when Wilson fired on him.

There was a split on whether Wilson fired on Brown when Brown was already on the ground.

Parsing through all this evidence only makes it more clear that McCullough did what he could to avoid an indictment when so many witnesses corroborated each other in that Wilson engaged in an extrajudicial killing. Firing on Brown when his hands were up. Some seeing him firing on Brown while Brown was kneeling or on the ground.

But none of it matters because the GJ didn’t return an indictment. And that’s on McCullough.

95 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 3:48:39pm

My take away:

Remorseless killer threatens to kill again

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:49:22pm

re: #92 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It’s the question of the inadequacy of labels, and it’s a fair question. I think 100% “hit” is not necessary for a police description. “Close enough” will do. Not to mention that non-“quantitative” labels such as “Hispanic” are not really descriptive, since Hispanics can be white and black too, and “Asians” can include anyone from Japanese to Pakistanis.

As for the effects of this, I guarantee that the same cops would have shot the boy without knowing his race in advance.

They wouldn’t have shot him in less than 2 seconds, while the squad car was still rolling if he had been white.

97 darthstar  Nov 26, 2014 3:49:39pm
98 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:50:10pm

re: #94 lawhawk

Is there a handy table with all the testimonies?

99 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:50:47pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

They wouldn’t have shot him in less than 2 seconds, while the squad car was still rolling if he had been white.

In advance = from the police dispatcher. I’m agreeing with you.

100 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 3:51:00pm

re: #97 darthstar

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Headcrab!

/(geek moment)

101 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 3:52:06pm

16/29 witnesses who had an opinion said that his hands were up. Only two could affirmatively say that he didn’t have his hands up.

102 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:52:08pm

re: #97 darthstar

Crab people, crab people…

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 3:52:59pm

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Is there a handy table with all the testimonies?

#53

Only one I’ve seen so far.

104 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 3:53:03pm

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

That’s the closest I’ve seen to a cataloging of the witness statements.

105 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:53:19pm

As I said above, Wilson is a craven bastard. He has nothing inside. Nothing.

Lawyers say Darren Wilson has no plans to specifically apologize to Michael Brown’s family - @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com

106 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 3:53:24pm

re: #101 lawhawk

16/29 witnesses who had an opinion said that his hands were up. Only two could affirmatively say that he didn’t have his hands up.

Yes, but there was conflicting testimony, so obviously they couldn’t see fit to…you know, put the testimony that supported him to the side long enough to secure an indictment, but instead just dumped it all on the grand jury and left them to decide for themselves if charges were warranted.

107 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 3:54:04pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks, missed it :)

108 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 3:56:08pm

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

As I said above, Wilson is a craven bastard. He has nothing inside. Nothing.

Lawyers say Darren Wilson has no plans to specifically apologize to Michael Brown’s family - @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com

An apology would be an admission that he did something wrong, and I think we’ve established pretty well by this point that he doesn’t think he did anything wrong that day. In his mind, everything that happened that day was Brown’s fault and thus he’s totally blameless. I imagine he tells himself and others, in the privacy of closed doors, that Brown “brought it on himself.”

109 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 3:56:22pm

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

As I said above, Wilson is a craven bastard. He has nothing inside. Nothing.

Lawyers say Darren Wilson has no plans to specifically apologize to Michael Brown’s family - @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com

And Peter King thinks Obama should apologize to him.

110 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 3:57:12pm

There are tests to determine sociopathic traits.

Obviously, too many police depts in this country don’t use them, and don’t bother to follow up on hires when they do.

111 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 3:58:31pm

Nope.

112 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 3:59:46pm
113 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:01:00pm

re: #109 Skip Intro

And Peter King thinks Obama should apologize to him.

What should Obama apologize for, being the wrong shade of human?

114 plansbandc  Nov 26, 2014 4:01:32pm

I can’t stomach this. Yes. This is post racial America. OK.

115 TedStriker  Nov 26, 2014 4:02:55pm

re: #112 Kragar

Irony: Members of the KKK calling people who hide behind masks cowards #opkkk #Ferguson
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 26, 2014

My irony meter:

116 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:03:31pm
117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:04:18pm
118 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 4:05:19pm

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

What should Obama apologize for, being the wrong shade of human?

Being a member of the race that has caused Wilson so much distress, I think.

119 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:07:12pm

How in the hell do I cook righteousness and not anger into the food I’m making tonight.

120 TedStriker  Nov 26, 2014 4:07:38pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

An apology would be an admission that he did something wrong, and I think we’ve established pretty well by this point that he doesn’t think he did anything wrong that day. In his mind, everything that happened that day was Brown’s fault and thus he’s totally blameless. I imagine he tells himself and others, in the privacy of closed doors, that Brown “brought it on himself.”

Wilson might be a “dumb flatfoot”, but he’s not completely stupid, because I’m sure he’s been advised to NEVER, EVER make an admission of guilt or remorse about this by not only his union reps and lawyers, but by McCulloch and his office too.

They’re going to make Brown’s family and the feds scratch and claw for every inch.

121 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:08:01pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And women should reconsider being “reluctant” whether or not the perp is famous.

Don’t protect predators.

122 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:09:19pm

re: #120 TedStriker

All that, plus he’s laughing on his way to the bank.

123 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:09:28pm

re: #120 TedStriker

Wilson might be a “dumb flatfoot”, but he’s not completely stupid, because I’m sure he’s been advised to NEVER, EVER make an admission of guilt or remorse about this by not only his union reps and lawyers, but by McCulloch and his office too.

They’re going to make Brown’s family and the feds scratch and claw for every inch.

And I hope the Justice Dept puts a humongous hurt on the #Ferguson PD.

124 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:10:48pm

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

And I hope the Justice Dept puts a humongous hurt on the #Ferguson PD.

I hope they put a hurt on the STL County prosecutor. McCulloch’s actions horrify me as much as Wilson’s here.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:11:26pm

re: #119 #FergusonFireside

How in the hell do I cook righteousness and not anger into the food I’m making tonight.

Wine.
Lots of wine.

126 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:12:14pm

re: #118 Skip Intro

Being a member of the race that has caused Wilson so much distress, I think.

I thought there was only one human race with many variations.

127 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:12:15pm

Ya’ll may have missed Mike Brown’s Mother today on CBS morning. One thing that stuck with me, she said, we could not even donate his organs, he laid out there in the sun too long.

128 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:13:04pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

I hope they put a hurt on the STL County prosecutor. McCulloch’s actions horrify me as much as Wilson’s here.

Yes, it’s obviously systemic in St. Louis Co.

129 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:13:08pm

re: #127 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll may have missed Mike Brown’s Mother today on CBS morning. One thing that stuck with me, she said, we could not even donate his organs, he laid out there in the sun too long.

Damn. But yeah as I recall, he was left out there for hours. They treated him worse than you would an animal.

130 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:13:42pm

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

Yes, it’s obviously systemic in St. Louis Co.

Lynch has a background in police brutality cases. I really pray that this was part of the reason Obama chose her.

131 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 4:14:05pm

re: #119 #FergusonFireside

How in the hell do I cook righteousness and not anger into the food I’m making tonight.

Breathe. Relax. Meditate on all the good things you have and know you have a better time and place to experience your anger.

132 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 4:17:11pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

I thought there was only one human race with many variations.

Well, I guess that’s true if one of the variations is that humans of African descent are always subservient to humans of Caucasian descent. That’s a very popular view in this country these (and all) days.

133 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:17:37pm

re: #101 lawhawk

16/29 witnesses who had an opinion said that his hands were up. Only two could affirmatively say that he didn’t have his hands up.

PBS also says 16: pbs.org

But I count only 12 in their table…

134 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:18:14pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wine.
Lots of wine.

I’m going to switch to HGTV, the opiate of the masses once I start.

Now I’m catching up with the latest fucked up news.

135 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 4:18:49pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Lynch has a background in police brutality cases. I really pray that this was part of the reason Obama chose her.

You think that she has a chance in hell of being confirmed? I wouldn’t be making a big bet on that if I were you.

136 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:19:17pm

re: #135 Skip Intro

You think that she has a chance in hell of being confirmed? I wouldn’t be making a big bet on that if I were you.

You’re right. Being way too optimistic there.

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:19:39pm
138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:19:41pm

re: #133 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

PBS also says 16: pbs.org

But I count only 12 in their table…

I also count 22 witnesses (incl. Wilson), not 29.

139 TedStriker  Nov 26, 2014 4:20:26pm

re: #122 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

All that, plus he’s laughing on his way to the bank.

Yeah, pretty much.

140 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:20:51pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s wide open now.

141 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:21:09pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Agh. It’s never going to end. I’m almost starting to favor not arming police entirely even with our gun fetishist population.

142 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:22:19pm

re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I also count 22 witnesses (incl. Wilson), not 29.

Which sorta makes me wonder how accurate the table is, if they can’t sum it up correctly…

143 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:22:35pm

re: #132 Skip Intro

Well, I guess that’s true if one of the variations is that humans of African descent are always subservient to humans of Caucasian descent. That’s a very popular view in this country these (and all) days.

I count “Mitochondrial Eve” as my first ancestor. : )

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:24:29pm
145 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 4:24:37pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

I thought there was only one human race with many variations.

Technically there are too many overlapping traits between psuedo-groups for any realistic definition of race. The only valid differentiation is for medical specifics and even they span any artificial groups we may define.

However, humans don’t look at DNA when deciding who belongs in the out/in group, they look at visual traits. Practitioners of Wingnutism are highly group concious and only smart enough to see colours and eye shape. Since they can and do cause pain to others we have no choice but to recognize skin colour, irrelevant as it really is, as a Wingnut hate trigger.

146 Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2014 4:25:47pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

I count “Mitochondrial Eve” as my first ancestor. : )

I’ve always thought I was related to Adam’s first wife, Lilith.

147 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 4:25:57pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

I count “Mitochondrial Eve” as my first ancestor. : )

Not your last common ancestor with every other woman alive?

148 meteor  Nov 26, 2014 4:26:17pm

I don’t even want to hear his voice.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:27:33pm

ABC says they didn’t pay for the interview, but UpChuck haz sources!!!11!!

150 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:28:00pm

re: #146 Skip Intro

I’ve always thought I was related to Adam’s first wife, Lilith.

They say before Lilith there was that Steve guy…

151 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:28:00pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So McCulloch’s office is willing to prosecute cops as long as they’re black ones that victimize white people. Awesome.// Seriously though, I am glad that this was both investigated and the guy’s being indicted but there’s no reason why the same throughness couldn’t have been done in the Brown case.

152 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:28:05pm

re: #147 No Nay Meh

Not your last common ancestor with every other woman alive?

Oh there’s that six degrees of separation thing again. : )

153 A Mom Anon  Nov 26, 2014 4:28:42pm

I’ve been offline mostly the last few weeks because I just can’t take it anymore. Since this last election it’s become blatantly clear that the ONLY people I know who aren’t racist are my kids. My husband and all his idiot friends are about to be on the receiving end of my foot in all their asses, not a one of my friends can be counted on to be decent about this either.

I’m seriously considering giving up on everyone I know, except the kids, taking them and the pets and moving out of the South, even if it means being homeless and living in my fucking car.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:29:16pm
155 Lidane  Nov 26, 2014 4:29:46pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

Black cop hitting a white man’s fingers with his baton? Indictment and suspension w/o pay.

White cop killing an unarmed black kid by emptying his gun into him? No indictment, almost $1 million in donations from supporters, and the inevitable Fox News gig.

Seems legit.

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:30:21pm

re: #153 A Mom Anon

I’m in Kentucky, but you can bring the kids and the dogs (hubs, too, if ya want) to the bunker here.

157 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 4:32:31pm

re: #153 A Mom Anon

I’ve been offline mostly the last few weeks because I just can’t take it anymore. Since this last election it’s become blatantly clear that the ONLY people I know who aren’t racist are my kids. My husband and all his idiot friends are about to be on the receiving end of my foot in all their asses, not a one of my friends can be counted on to be decent about this either.

I’m seriously considering giving up on everyone I know, except the kids, taking them and the pets and moving out of the South, even if it means being homeless and living in my fucking car.

This is where you should be.

Lots of people to listen to your frustration and to commiserate with.

Catharsis can be your friend, my friend.

158 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 4:32:49pm

re: #155 Lidane

Black cop hitting a white man’s fingers with his baton? Indictment and suspension w/o pay.

White cop killing an unarmed black kid by emptying his gun into him? No indictment, almost $1 million in donations from supporters, and the inevitable Fox News gig.

Seems legit.

I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.

159 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:33:07pm

re: #153 A Mom Anon

I’ve been offline mostly the last few weeks because I just can’t take it anymore. Since this last election it’s become blatantly clear that the ONLY people I know who aren’t racist are my kids. My husband and all his idiot friends are about to be on the receiving end of my foot in all their asses, not a one of my friends can be counted on to be decent about this either.

I’m seriously considering giving up on everyone I know, except the kids, taking them and the pets and moving out of the South, even if it means being homeless and living in my fucking car.

I hear you because I, too, am surrounded by idiots. Not one person, in person, I can talk with about this without flaming out. Even my grandson, who should know better, but is influenced by his online “friends” (including those he knows in the meat world).

Just remember, it’s the rare person who is surrounded by those who share their exact views.

I don’t mind confronting people about blatant stuff, which is why I have few real friends. : )

160 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:33:25pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

ABC says they didn’t pay for the interview, but UpChuck haz sources!!!11!!

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he’s the scum of the earth, and we should not pay any attention to him. we are feeding his scum layer.

161 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:33:33pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

en.wikipedia.org

Estonia’s authorities report that the violence started around 21:20 (EEST, UTC+3), as the protesters started to assault the policemen.[75][82] Riot police responded by using water cannon and, according to BBC, firing tear gas to disperse the crowd.[83] However, the crowd did not disperse and started committing acts of vandalism and rampant looting[84][85] of nearby shops and buildings. By midnight the riots had spread around the centre of Tallinn, with massive damage to property—a total number of 99 cases of vandalism, including cars that had been turned upside down, broken and looted shop windows, pillaged bars and kiosks.[86][87]

[…]

The night of April 27 saw a recurrence of violence, with a second night of rioting. Rioters used Molotov cocktails while police responded with CS gas, rubber bullets and watercannons.[5] Rioting and looting in a few towns of North East Estonia (mainly Jõhvi) with a Russian majority, were also reported.[5] Estonian sources attributed the disruptions to youths consuming stolen alcohol. In all, some 1,000 people were detained in two nights of rioting. 156 were injured, including some two dozen police officers, and numerous stores, offices and homes were damaged.[96]

All over a bronze monument.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:33:40pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.

“policing white folks while black”

163 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:35:45pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.

Yep. He’s not worthy.

They though, see the importance of protecting the force in a death.

gah

164 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 4:35:50pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

“policing white folks while black”

Think it’s more a case that the victim is alive to file a complaint, as opposed to Wilson’s victim.

165 Lidane  Nov 26, 2014 4:35:50pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

“policing white folks while black”

Yep.

And he’s still facing more charges than Darren Wilson.

166 Varek Raith  Nov 26, 2014 4:36:12pm

re: #6 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

WTF.
Did the cop shoot the kid through the window?
Jesus.

167 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:36:22pm

re: #163 #FergusonFireside

Yep. He’s not worthy.

They though, see the importance of protecting the force in a death.

gah

They have zero morals. Those who serve and protect.

That is the problem.

168 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 4:36:48pm

In other news, it always pays to get to know your local butcher.

I got $75 work of prime rib for $50 today. Got it in the freezer for Xmas day.

169 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:37:09pm
170 goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2014 4:39:34pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.

If not race then why is it you think the black cop fell on the wrong side of that line? I’m willing to concede that part of the reason the department rallied behind Wilson was because the stakes were so high, and cops in general have a perpetual hard on about “officer safety.” But I’m also not credulous enough to believe Wilson’s treatment would have been the same if he’d been Black and/or Brown had been White.

171 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:40:32pm
172 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:40:41pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

He’d have been at the very least indicted.

173 Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2014 4:41:55pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

If not race then why is it you think the black cop fell on the wrong side of that line? I’m willing to concede that part of the reason the department rallied behind Wilson was because the stakes were so high, and cops in general have a perpetual hard on about “officer safety.” But I’m also not credulous enough to believe Wilson’s treatment would have been the same if he’d been Black and/or Brown had been White.

Perhaps I should rephrase, I don’t think it was a major factor in McCulloch’s bringing charges. The department threw him to the wolves, and race may have been a factor. But it seems McCulloch is such good friends with the department that he takes them at their word, that if charges are warranted, then he doesn’t even bother with a grand jury.

174 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:42:20pm

re: #171 Justanotherhuman

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20? Did the cowardly fuckers even look at him before they executed him. Poor kid. 12 years old.

175 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:43:51pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

20? Did the cowardly fuckers even look at him before they executed him. Poor kid. 12 years old.

20 seconds? (what is the fucking time frame?) No.

176 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:44:21pm

re: #175 #FergusonFireside

20 seconds? (what is the fucking time frame?) No.

They apparently described him as 20 years old on the radio after they killed him.

178 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 4:46:01pm

Here’s more on that story about the St Louis Co police officer:

stltoday.com

It gets worse. Obviously, “witnesses” are to be believed in this incident.

“Video surveillance and information from witnesses helped make the case against Gore, authorities say. Authorities said they won’t release the video to reporters because it is evidence in the case. The video showed Gore and Wilson on the platform, but the alleged attack took place out of the view of the camera, authorities say.

“Neither Wilson nor Gore could be reached for comment. Court records did not yet list an attorney for Gore.

Then, they pretty much tell where Gore lives:

“Gore lives in the 5500 block of Pershing Avenue. Wilson was staying at a hotel in Bridgeton at the time of the incident.” More

179 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 4:46:04pm

re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I didn’t eliminate the multiple interviewees, nor did I leave out Wilson from the count.

180 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:46:15pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

They apparently described him as 20 years old on the radio after they killed him.

But the time frame of them pulling up, then killing. 90 seconds? No, that was Mike Brown.

181 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 4:47:34pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Listening to the voices in his head aren’t sources. They’re sign of the need for medical assistance.

182 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:48:45pm

re: #177 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Here are 5 pages of the photos from that night: englishrussia.com

183 jaunte  Nov 26, 2014 4:49:01pm
184 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:50:06pm

re: #179 lawhawk

I didn’t eliminate the multiple interviewees, nor did I leave out Wilson from the count.

Yeah, but multiple interviews != as many witnesses ;)

185 HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2014 4:51:55pm

re: #180 #FergusonFireside

But the time frame of them pulling up, then killing. 90 seconds? No, that was Mike Brown.

Yeah it was pretty quick.

186 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 4:52:34pm

I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.

Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?

187 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:53:53pm

re: #179 lawhawk

Though in the end it at least doesn’t change the percentage (55%), quite by chance.

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2014 4:55:26pm
189 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2014 4:55:35pm

re: #186 No Nay Meh

I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.

Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?

You get the Canadian vote from me, friend. :P

190 lawhawk  Nov 26, 2014 4:56:35pm

re: #187 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Consistency between the 1st and 2d interviews is relevant (but does inflate the overall count). Especially since Wilson’s multiple inconsistencies between his initial statements and the GJ statements.

191 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:57:14pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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192 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 4:58:05pm

re: #190 lawhawk

Agreed, but that’s another aspect of it. It’s still 22 witnesses in the end, and it’s wrong of PBS to suggest otherwise.

193 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 4:58:24pm

re: #186 No Nay Meh

I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.

Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?

Be a better ass. You’re slacking.

194 Kragar  Nov 26, 2014 5:00:27pm

re: #180 #FergusonFireside

But the time frame of them pulling up, then killing. 90 seconds? No, that was Mike Brown.

Less than 5 seconds

nbcnews.com

195 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 5:01:06pm

Wut, they didn’t secure the damn thing?

St. Louis County police searching for AR-15 rifle stolen from police cars set ablaze during protests Monday - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com

196 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 5:01:47pm

re: #193 #FergusonFireside

Be a better ass. You’re slacking.

Leave my ass out of it. It’s busy keeping my pants up.

197 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 5:02:25pm

The situation in #Ferguson an hour ago.

vine.co

Guarding the cop shop, as it were.

198 Jenner7  Nov 26, 2014 5:02:38pm

re: #169 Justanotherhuman

He’s been followed all day today, along with his group. Insane.

199 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 5:03:31pm

THIS IS MY BROTHER

twitter.com

He said if we retweet their pledge, they get money. Please LGF just click the twitter link and tweet.

The Rethink Homelessness Pledge

A walk through the streets of Central Florida makes one message clear: our community suffers from a crisis around those without a home of their own. We are seeing growing numbers of those who are chronically homeless and a rising tide of our “invisible” homeless, individuals and families living in hotel rooms and shelters who do not have a permanent place to call home.

The Central Florida Commission on Homelessness exists to engage the public on the issue of homelessness and to illustrate that Orlando’s problem is everyone’s problem. Whether you see homeless citizens daily or hear about those who live on the streets on the news, our job is to remind you that this situation cannot be ignored. We must come together to implement community-based solutions to empower Central Floridians in Orange, Osceola, and Seminole counties to take action.

200 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 5:05:55pm

re: #198 Jenner7

He’s been followed all day today, along with his group. Insane.

Harassment.

201 Justanotherhuman  Nov 26, 2014 5:10:26pm

re: #199 #FergusonFireside

And they are very vulnerable.

HOMELESS MAN BEATEN TO DEATH IN FIDI ALLEY IDENTIFIED

abc7news.com

Absolutely inhumane.

202 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 5:12:57pm

Did you know that for county records here in CA, GRDE stands for Grant Deed?

Now you do.

I’m glad I e-mailed the lawyer that question.

/sigh

203 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 5:22:40pm

Hey, Apache! Wakeup!

Time for Nginx

204 A Mom Anon  Nov 26, 2014 5:23:16pm

re: #201 Justanotherhuman

We just had two cases here in Atlanta make the news, homeless people, wrapped in blankets, shot to death. One was a few weeks ago, the other more recent I think. As I said, I’m avoiding the news as much as I can because I can’t take it anymore.

There are a couple of places I’ve read about that are building those tiny houses, around 450-500 square ft., for homeless people. The programs seem to be working and are certainly safer and more cost effective than just leaving people to die on the streets.

I’m sorry, but if you’re going to say this is the best country in the world, then by god, there shouldn’t be people hungry and homeless and murdered for just being those things. I challenge all the assholes who bitch about how “those people” are the ruin of us all to get off their asses and DO something constructive, come up with a fucking plan to help. Be like that Jesus guy you like to say guides your life. Otherwise, STFU, and then fuck off.

205 b_sharp  Nov 26, 2014 5:23:59pm

I’m off to bed, off to bed, off to bed.
I’m off to bed, and you can’t come.

206 Jenner7  Nov 26, 2014 5:27:50pm

Plenty enough time to make those “injuries” himself. smh

208 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 26, 2014 5:28:26pm

re: #205 No Nay Meh

I’m off to bed, off to bed, off to bed.
I’m off to bed, and you can’t come.

It’s that attitude that is keeping you from getting all the updings. :)

Catch ya later.

RBS

209 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 5:29:05pm

re: #206 Jenner7

All it would take is pinching oneself hard enough, it seems.

210 BongCrodny  Nov 26, 2014 5:30:30pm

re: #186 No Nay Meh

I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.

Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?

Ooh! Ooh! Mr. Kotter! Mr. Kotter! I know this one!

211 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 26, 2014 5:34:35pm

Priorities. When cops are accused of being reckless with other people’s lives, they whine: but we must think about our safety, so even if a cop makes a mistake that costs someone’s life, it’s OK. Fuck no. You must think about the “civilians’” safety first. Yeah, it’s not easy. Not up to it, don’t be a cop.

212 A Mom Anon  Nov 26, 2014 5:38:51pm

Alright, I’ve procrastinated long enough. I’ve got to begin cooking for tomorrow. Desserts tonight, then up early for all the rest of it. Have a happy turkey day lizards. Be well.

213 klystron  Nov 26, 2014 5:41:00pm

re: #212 A Mom Anon

Alright, I’ve procrastinated long enough. I’ve got to begin cooking for tomorrow. Desserts tonight, then up early for all the rest of it. Have a happy turkey day lizards. Be well.

{{AMA}}

214 #FergusonFireside  Nov 26, 2014 5:45:21pm

Thanks loves. He called me because he knows I’m on twitter.

215 retired cynic  Nov 26, 2014 6:07:00pm

re: #192 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The whole report looks different from the tweet. pbs.org

I counted 16 hands up, 2 down.

216 lostlakehiker  Nov 26, 2014 7:17:07pm

re: #161 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

en.wikipedia.org

[…]

All over a bronze monument.

But really, over whether Estonia shall be an independent nation or a border province that jumps when Moscow says Frog.

217 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 27, 2014 10:25:57am

re: #215 retired cynic

The whole report looks different from the tweet. pbs.org

I counted 16 hands up, 2 down.

Um, no, I didn’t count by the tweet (the pic is the same anyway). It’s still 12 hands up and 22 total. (We’re not talking about the number of witness statements. We’re talking about the number of witnesses.)

218 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 27, 2014 10:26:31am

re: #216 lostlakehiker

But really, over whether Estonia shall be an independent nation or a border province that jumps when Moscow says Frog.

No, it wasn’t about that.

219 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Nov 30, 2014 4:22:29pm

re: #132 Skip Intro

Well, I guess that’s true if one of the variations is that humans of African descent are always subservient to humans of Caucasian descent. That’s a very popular view in this country these (and all) days.

I raised all three of my kids to respond “Other” to the race question and write in “Human.”


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