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1 freetoken  Nov 30, 2014 8:54:17pm

I never was much of a Thor reader. Never really grabbed me, I guess, as a kid at the counter.

2 freetoken  Nov 30, 2014 9:03:29pm

MP3 Audio

3 Kragar  Nov 30, 2014 9:21:29pm

re: #1 freetoken

Then you missed one of the greatest moments in all of Comicdom:

4 teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2014 9:23:09pm

I’ve always enjoyed the Lizard Collection. What a treasure trove, that locked wooden box that Charles found with all his comics!

5 teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2014 9:30:26pm

Bassist from my favorite touring rock n roll band liked my page at LGF.

6 freetoken  Nov 30, 2014 9:39:46pm

A very young Johnny Carson on the panel of WML from 1956, being a bit uncouth too:

Youtube Video

7 teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2014 9:54:12pm

I noticed that Kragar is using a portrait William Tecumseh Sherman as his Twitter avatar.

8 Kragar  Nov 30, 2014 9:55:23pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I noticed that Kragar is using a portrait William Tecumseh Sherman as his Twitter avatar.

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9 teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2014 9:58:07pm

re: #8 Kragar

Men In Black reference, right?

Edgar will always be my favorite from the film “Men In Black.”

10 Kragar  Nov 30, 2014 10:02:59pm

A rule of modern TV sci-fi:

“We found it!” invariably means shitty CGI reveal

11 Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2014 10:03:43pm

re: #10 Kragar

A rule of modern TV sci-fi:

“We found it!” invariably means shitty CGI reveal

Been watching another Syfy film?

12 Kragar  Nov 30, 2014 10:05:17pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Been watching another Syfy film?

Some series on Netflix called Helix

13 Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2014 10:07:06pm

re: #12 Kragar

Some series on Netflix called Helix

Yeah, that’s a Syfy series. As opposed to their mini-series, which tend to be a bit better because they’ve spent a bit more attention to it, unlike their movie which get churned out on a Z-level budget.

14 jonhendry  Nov 30, 2014 10:11:11pm

My favorite appearance of Ego, The Living Planet:

Ego has skills
15 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 30, 2014 10:35:52pm

re: #14 jonhendry

My favorite appearance of Ego, The Living Planet:

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Nothing like a planet-sized ego.

16 sagehen  Nov 30, 2014 10:41:52pm

walking dead

Click to Reveal

OMG THEY KILLED BETH!!

which isn’t as bad as what I was expecting from what people said earlier about spoilers and upset fans… I thought there’d be multiple deaths on our side, maybe Daryl or Judith…

17 Jenner7  Nov 30, 2014 10:44:10pm

re: #16 sagehen

Just finished. I was more mad that it was spoiled for me…

Good mid finale though..

18 sagehen  Nov 30, 2014 11:22:18pm

On a happier note, I enjoyed the promos and sneak peaks they ran for “Better Call Saul”…

19 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 30, 2014 11:31:18pm

I am now crowdsourcing suitable captions for UpChuck.

memecrunch.com

20 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 1:11:50am

re: #15 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Nothing like a planet-sized ego.

to match the size of one’s brain…

21 Amory Blaine  Dec 1, 2014 3:50:30am

Beautiful Thor!!!

22 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Dec 1, 2014 4:42:49am

Good morning Lizardem!

I know this was mentioned in the previous thread, but I just saw it, and, WOW, is the STLPOA full of shit or what?

Roorda warned, “I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I’ve got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours. I’d remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser’s products. It’s cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it’s not the NFL and the Rams, then it’ll be cops and their supporters.”

(emphasis added)
St. Louis Cops Declare Rams’ “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” To Be “Offensive”

As a commenter mentioned at Deadspin, if the cops stuck to the first amendment rights, instead of moving on to the 2nd, maybe there wouldn’t be a problem. Hmmmm.

23 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 4:53:46am

re: #22 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Good morning Lizardem!

I know this was mentioned in the previous thread, but I just saw it, and, WOW, is the STLPOA full of shit or what?

(emphasis added)
St. Louis Cops Declare Rams’ “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” To Be “Offensive”

As a commenter mentioned at Deadspin, if the cops stuck to the first amendment rights, instead of moving on to the 2nd, maybe there wouldn’t be a problem. Hmmmm.

I’d like the response to this shit to be “Go fuck yourselves,” but I know that won’t be the case. The Rams management will release some mealy-mouthed apology and the players with be chastised for making a public display. Why? Because the NFL is a business and anything that hurts profits is to be punished.

24 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 4:56:37am

Yes! If not, they should be!

25 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 5:00:25am

According to the above article, the god-bothering slut-shamers are being “harassed” by police to prevent them from harassing women entering and leaving the medical office.

I would page it except it is from one of those anti-choice sites.

26 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 5:02:09am

re: #22 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

In other words, the St. Louis cops learned nothing from the events of the past few weeks. Roorda’s statement is one of the most impressive examples of unrepentant, bullheaded stupidity that I’ve ever seen.

And Roorda is a Democrat.

27 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Dec 1, 2014 5:05:31am

re: #26 Higgs Boson’s Mate

In other words, the St. Louis cops learned nothing from the events of the past few weeks. Roorda’s statement is one of the most impressive examples of unrepentant, bullheaded stupidity that I’ve ever seen.

Well, they did learn that they’re pretty much bullet-proof from prosecution in the county.

28 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 5:08:38am

re: #26 Higgs Boson’s Mate

In other words, the St. Louis cops learned nothing from the events of the past few weeks. Roorda’s statement is one of the most impressive examples of unrepentant, bullheaded stupidity that I’ve ever seen.

Morning Lizards.

He’s also against body cams. Claims they will be used to nickle and dime officers over minor offenses.

In any case, Roorda sees the push for body cameras as a way of harassing officers who commit minor infractions, like rolling a stop sign or not buckling their seat belt. He opposes the use of body cameras for the same reason.

Oh, and he’s a lying sack of shit as well.

According to court filings from a later appeal, Roorda was accused in 1997 of trying to cover for another officer by filing a report containing false statements about a suspect’s apprehension and arrest. That incident earned him a reprimand.

Four years later the department fired him after a dispute with his police chief over paternity leave grew heated. Roorda claimed that the chief verbally intimated him, but an audio recording proved that this claim, too, was a “false report.”

29 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Dec 1, 2014 5:09:51am

And Roorda has a history of his own that is gobsmacking:

Though Roorda is, by all accounts, a friend to the police, his own history as a cop isn’t all that flattering. He spent eleven years as a police officer in Arnold before the department terminated him 2001. According to court filings from a later appeal, Roorda was accused in 1997 of trying to cover for another officer by filing a report containing false statements about a suspect’s apprehension and arrest. That incident earned him a reprimand.

Four years later the department fired him after a dispute with his police chief over paternity leave grew heated. Roorda claimed that the chief verbally intimated him, but an audio recording proved that this claim, too, was a “false report.”

Roorda went on to become Chief of Police for Kimmswick, a tiny city in Jefferson County with a current population listed at 157. He was elected to the Missouri House of Representatives in 2004. Now, he’s got his eye on the Senate.

STL is fucked. :(

Edit: I see Bubblehead II beat me to it. The charges of “false reports” are particularly ironic in the situation.

30 Dark_Falcon  Dec 1, 2014 5:14:17am

re: #28 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

He’s also against body cams. Claims they will be used to nickle and dime officers over minor offenses.

In any case, Roorda sees the push for body cameras as a way of harassing officers who commit minor infractions, like rolling a stop sign or not buckling their seat belt. He opposes the use of body cameras for the same reason.

Oh, and he’s a lying sack of shit as well.

According to court filings from a later appeal, Roorda was accused in 1997 of trying to cover for another officer by filing a report containing false statements about a suspect’s apprehension and arrest. That incident earned him a reprimand.

Four years later the department fired him after a dispute with his police chief over paternity leave grew heated. Roorda claimed that the chief verbally intimated him, but an audio recording proved that this claim, too, was a “false report.”

Well, I can see why he doesn’t like recording devices, but the opposition of a man found to be a serial liar is a point in those devices favor in my view.

31 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 5:17:03am

re: #28 Bubblehead II

In any case, Roorda sees the push for body cameras as a way of harassing officers who commit minor infractions, like rolling a stop sign or not buckling their seat belt. He opposes the use of body cameras for the same reason.

He means “minor infractions” in which the an average Joe would get ticketed but not his gestapo.

32 Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2014 5:17:12am

re: #28 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

He’s also against body cams. Claims they will be used to nickle and dime officers over minor offenses.

In any case, Roorda sees the push for body cameras as a way of harassing officers who commit minor infractions, like rolling a stop sign or not buckling their seat belt. He opposes the use of body cameras for the same reason.

Oh, and he’s a lying sack of shit as well.

According to court filings from a later appeal, Roorda was accused in 1997 of trying to cover for another officer by filing a report containing false statements about a suspect’s apprehension and arrest. That incident earned him a reprimand.

Four years later the department fired him after a dispute with his police chief over paternity leave grew heated. Roorda claimed that the chief verbally intimated him, but an audio recording proved that this claim, too, was a “false report.”

Uh…how exactly would a cop get in trouble for rolling a stop sign or not wearing their seat belt because of body cameras? Is there someone out waiting for a cop to do that so they can FOIA the video footage and go get a warrant from the local magistrate/judge against the cop (if that’s even possible in Missouri)?

33 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 5:17:40am

re: #28 Bubblehead II

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Roorda is something other than else. Not only is he not in disgrace, the STLPOA likes the cut of his jib sufficiently to give him a paid position. That to me says more about them than it does about him.

34 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 5:21:31am
35 BlueSpotinAL  Dec 1, 2014 5:27:17am

re: #15 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Someone should Photoshop Trump’s “hair” on that picture.

36 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 5:28:11am
37 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 5:30:33am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

He means “minor infractions” in which the an average Joe would get ticketed but not his gestapo.

You will see that a lot almost anywhere. I especially love seeing a cop yacking on a cell in his or her’s cruiser even though it is prohibited by law.

38 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 1, 2014 5:36:38am

re: #35 BlueSpotinAL

Someone should Photoshop Trump’s “hair” on that picture.

That’s beyond my PS abilities.

39 ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2014 5:48:16am

I was just reading the full St. Louis Police Officers Association response to the St. Louis Rams players demonstration.

What a steaming pile of tone deaf words. They are throwing that prosecutor data dump up as pure fact.

But what really concerns me is this may signal a bunch of cop organizations digging in and setting up a bunker mentality of us versus them. It’s already bad enough, but it may just get worse.

I hope our politicians grow some and start to take these policing issues on. Wait, what am I saying, they can’t take anything on. This IS going to get worse.

40 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 1, 2014 6:00:50am

re: #39 ObserverArt

And they hide the numbers despite federal law..

41 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 6:01:06am

Apparently the Twitter folks dug up an old photo of Elizabeth Lauten showing us what sort of class the Obama girls should display:

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:02:24am
43 lawhawk  Dec 1, 2014 6:10:44am

re: #39 ObserverArt

You know what’s offensive? That police officers shoot first.

There’s no asking questions later, because prosecutors are loathe to investigate law enforcement. They don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them a steady stream of defendants, and if a cop is on the docket, then that leads to questions about their actions and all the cases they’ve brought before.

McCullough didn’t want to bring the case to the grand jury, and his unique way of presenting the evidence to the grand jury speaks volumes to how he tried to pass off responsibility to the GJ, even though it was his office’s job to suss out whether Wilson committed crimes with his shooting of an unarmed black man.

It’s offensive that Rep Roorda is all over the Rams’ act of solidarity with the community that they play for. Roorda’s tone deafness speaks volumes - they’d rather complain about sports figures showing sympathy for the community in Ferguson than doing anything to clean up the race profiling and discrimination by law enforcement in the greater STL area (and which problems extend well beyond STL to the rest of the nation).

44 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 6:17:17am

re: #41 Dr. Matt

Apparently the Twitter folks dug up an old photo of Elizabeth Lauten showing us what sort of class the Obama girls should display:

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Why do left wing haters victimize and villify her? Didn’t she apologize from the bottom of her heart?

/

45 ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2014 6:18:59am

re: #35 BlueSpotinAL

Someone should Photoshop Trump’s “hair” on that picture.

You mean this hair on this picture?

Planet Ego with proper Ego Hair
46 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 1, 2014 6:20:13am

re: #45 ObserverArt

You mean this hair on this picture?

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That works.

47 lawhawk  Dec 1, 2014 6:20:41am

re: #23 Targetpractice

I’ve stopped watching football. After the concussion and brain injury business, there’s no reason to support the sport - if I want to watch, it’s with the knowledge that any single play can result in a lasting brain injury to any of the players on the field. Cumulative hits will relegate players to suffering from CTE or other ailments, aside from the rigors of assorted physical injuries that leave players maimed and hobbled.

That takes the fun out of watching. Now, it’s about watching highlights and hoping that the players for my favorite team aren’t getting hurt.

48 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 6:21:36am

re: #45 ObserverArt

You mean this hair on this picture?

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Works for me.

49 ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2014 6:23:00am

re: #48 Bubblehead II

Works for me.

It’s amazing. Throw some Trump hair on anything and it looks like The Donald.

50 Flounder  Dec 1, 2014 6:23:31am

What it is like to be eaten alive. I feel bad for the poor snake.

51 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Dec 1, 2014 6:28:50am

re: #47 lawhawk

I’ve stopped watching football. After the concussion and brain injury business, there’s no reason to support the sport - if I want to watch, it’s with the knowledge that any single play can result in a lasting brain injury to any of the players on the field. Cumulative hits will relegate players to suffering from CTE or other ailments, aside from the rigors of assorted physical injuries that leave players maimed and hobbled.

That takes the fun out of watching. Now, it’s about watching highlights and hoping that the players for my favorite team aren’t getting hurt.

I’m in the same boat. For the last few years, I’ve been in a fantasy football league. We play for a few bucks. But for the past two years, I haven’t really watched any of the games. I still love the athleticism of the running backs and receivers, and the field command of good quarterbacks, but the violence of the game has put me off it.

This will likely be my last fantasy football season.

52 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 1, 2014 6:30:07am

Did any of you see Interstellar? I’m thinking that movie moved the climate awareness level up a good bit.

53 darthstar  Dec 1, 2014 6:31:30am
54 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Dec 1, 2014 6:31:56am

re: #47 lawhawk

Check out this profile of former Bills pro-bowl defenseman Darryl Talley for how CTE fucks with these guys.

buffalonews.com

55 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 6:53:29am

re: #53 darthstar

Well, her name rec is good right now in the GOP. But can she profit off insulting Obama’s kids? Stay tuned to Fox to see.

Of course, she is now a victim, “hounded out of office” by the Liberal Hate Machine for a few offhand comments for which she has already apologized profusely.

56 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 6:54:19am

re: #47 lawhawk

I’ve stopped watching football. After the concussion and brain injury business, there’s no reason to support the sport - if I want to watch, it’s with the knowledge that any single play can result in a lasting brain injury to any of the players on the field. Cumulative hits will relegate players to suffering from CTE or other ailments, aside from the rigors of assorted physical injuries that leave players maimed and hobbled.

That takes the fun out of watching. Now, it’s about watching highlights and hoping that the players for my favorite team aren’t getting hurt.

It’s not just the professional players that are suffering from the side effects of concussions.

High school head injury lawsuit filed

CHICAGO (AP) - A former high school quarterback followed in the steps of one-time pro and college players Saturday by suing a sports governing body - in this case the Illinois High School Association - saying it didn’t do enough to protect him from concussions when he played and still doesn’t do enough to protect current players.

*snip*

Eight high school students died directly from playing football in 2013 - six from head and two from neck injuries - while there were none last year in college, professional or semi-professional football, according to a 2014 report by National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research.

and

Ohio State player dead of self-inflicted gunshot

Karageorge’s parents filed a missing-person report Wednesday evening, and his mother, Susan Karageorge, told police he has had several concussions and a few spells of being extremely confused, according to the report. She said that at about 1:30 a.m. Wednesday he texted a message that cited the concussions and said, “I am sorry if I am an embarrassment.”

57 darthstar  Dec 1, 2014 6:54:53am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Of course, she is now a victim, “hounded out of office” by the Liberal Hate Machine for a few offhand comments for which she has already apologized profusely.

So she’s resigning upward. Be a dick and get rich. Good for her. America! Fuck yeah!

58 darthstar  Dec 1, 2014 6:58:33am

A buddy of mine at work signed up for Pre - the TSA shortcut line. Said it took six months to process his paperwork but only 15 minutes at the airport to get his docs once that was ready.

We don’t fly often, but I hate security lines, so this is inspiring me to pay the $100.

59 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 7:03:57am

re: #57 darthstar

So she’s resigning upward. Be a dick and get rich. Good for her. America! Fuck yeah!

I wouldn’t count on the resigning upward part. If wingnut welfare has to find a place for every conservative who says offensive things and then resigns it will soon employ more people than the Chinese army.

60 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 7:04:05am

Oops.

Kirk Douglas’ obit published by mistake on ‘People’ website

Veteran actor Kirk Douglas is not dead, contrary to what an obituary that appeared on People magazine’s website might have you believe.

61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 7:05:43am

re: #59 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I wouldn’t count on the resigning upward part. If wingnut welfare has to find a place for every conservative who says offensive things and then resigns it will soon employ more people than the Chinese army.

There are Many Rooms in the Koch/Adelson mansions…

62 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 7:07:24am

re:
#39

I was just reading the full St. Louis Police Officers Association response to the St. Louis Rams players demonstration.

What a steaming pile of tone deaf words. They are throwing that prosecutor data dump up as pure fact.

Seriously.

They doth protest too much.

63 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 7:10:46am

Rosa Parks (R-AL)

64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 7:12:18am

re: #63 Franklin

She stood up for her rights just like Elizabeth Lauten!!!

65 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 7:14:19am

Hmmm….how about:

Elizabeth Lauten, gop press secty who apologized for criticizing criticized the Obama girls on social media, has resigned her position with Rep Fincher

66 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 7:14:26am

re: #63 Franklin

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Rosa Parks (R-AL)

LOL she was staff member to a Democratic congressman for 20 years.

67 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 7:15:08am

re: #66 The Vicious Fergushka

LOL she was staff member to a Democratic congressman for 20 years.

Oh, I know :) - Just doing the whole MLK (R) schtick.

68 makeitstop  Dec 1, 2014 7:16:46am

So, my lone remaining FB wingnut just put up a post that reads ‘Madonna is disgusting.’

The only news I’m seeing is that she took her kids to Malawi.

So what’s got wingnuts (as this guy flies, so do they all) pissy about Maddie this morning?

69 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 7:17:04am
70 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 7:17:49am

re:
#66

LOL she was staff member to a Democratic congressman for 20 years.

Yeah but she was a registered GOP in Alabama GOOGle yorself I don’t have time to do your research for you!!!1

71 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 7:19:24am

re:
#69

Fixed it-> “Lauten, gop press secty who criticized Obama girls on social media, has resigned her position with Rep Fincher”

Say hello to the next political analyst on Faux News…

72 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 7:21:45am

What’s this politically correct world coming to when we can’t criticize the first daughters over serious policy issues?!?!??!??!?!?!?1

73 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 7:23:13am

re: #69 Franklin

@deirdrewalshcnn Fixed it-> “Lauten, gop press secty who criticized Obama girls on social media, has resigned her position with Rep Fincher”
— Franklin (@franklinftw) December 1, 2014

Wing-nut welfare will take care of her: she’ll “write” a book, get an am hate radio show, and be a Fox contributor.

74 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 7:25:24am

re: #60 Bubblehead II

Oops.

Kirk Douglas’ obit published by mistake on ‘People’ website

Veteran actor Kirk Douglas is not dead, contrary to what an obituary that appeared on People magazine’s website might have you believe.

Thank God Abe Vigoda and Betty White didn’t live to see this.

//

76 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 7:36:37am

H/T to Gus for the retweet.

77 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 7:38:57am

re: #22 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Good morning Lizardem!

I know this was mentioned in the previous thread, but I just saw it, and, WOW, is the STLPOA full of shit or what?

(emphasis added)
St. Louis Cops Declare Rams’ “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” To Be “Offensive”

As a commenter mentioned at Deadspin, if the cops stuck to the first amendment rights, instead of moving on to the 2nd, maybe there wouldn’t be a problem. Hmmmm.

Roorda is such a freaking asshole.

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 7:40:16am

Roorda has fallen into the pit where defending his little sub-group of society overrides all other considerations. Especially painful when the group is supposed to be defending and supporting the public weal since the favortism carries with it a very strong implication that the group considers itself above reproach, introspection, and being held responsible to the law.

79 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 1, 2014 7:43:00am

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

Roorda has fallen into the pit where defending his little sub-group of society overrides all other considerations. Especially painful when the group is supposed to be defending and supporting the public weal since the favortism carries with it a very strong implication that the group considers itself above reproach, introspection, and being held responsible to the law.

It’s simple. They have come to the isolated and arrogant state of mind called “Us and “Them”. With the built in unshakable assumption that translates to us good guys and them bad guys. That never changes fast.

80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 7:43:26am

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

One thing we have learned from events like Ferguson is that we are not just dealing with a few bad apples, the rot is systemic and goes right the top and even beyond.

81 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 7:46:25am

Oh, and good morning!

On the way to work some spinning disc of metal flew into my car.

I got lucky unless something is fucked up underneath, because I saw no damage.

What a way to start the week.

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 7:47:20am

re: #79 Indy GOP Refugee

It’s simple. They have come to the isolated and arrogant state of mind called “Us and “Them”. With the built in unshakable assumption that translates to us good guys and them bad guys. That never changes fast.

Nope. Two much ego and resources invested into the mind set to initiate a re-evaluation and then possibly admit being wrong. Once you start down the slippery slope of possibly admitting an error it leads to internal conflict, and then dissension within the group. Which can not be allowed!

83 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 7:47:29am

re: #77 #FergusonFireside

Roorda is such a freaking asshole.

He’s a bully is what he is, and that’s what seems to be acceptable now in the eyes of cops. They’re bullies with the protection of the law, the thin blue line, such that they can shoot you and if you survive, you’ll be the one going to jail for “threatening” them. Hell, there’s a fellow down in Florida who’s facing a first degree murder charge because the cops shot somebody in the process of arresting him for being drunk and belligerent. Yes, the law is so fucked in Florida that the cops shot and killed a bystander, but it’s automatically the fault of the guy was being arrested for being drunk and dumb.

84 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 7:47:44am
85 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 7:49:49am

Why do wingnuts have such difficulty with equivalence?

86 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 7:51:17am

re: #85 The Vicious Fergushka

“Equivalence”. Sounds like a movie with banjo music in the soundtrack

87 jonhendry  Dec 1, 2014 7:51:42am

re: #26 Higgs Boson’s Mate

In other words, the St. Louis cops learned nothing from the events of the past few weeks. Roorda’s statement is one of the most impressive examples of unrepentant, bullheaded stupidity that I’ve ever seen.

And Roorda is a Democrat.

I’m starting to get the feeling that Missouri is the last holdout of Jim Crow Democrats who didn’t switch to Republican.

88 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 7:57:03am

re: #85 The Vicious Fergushka

I guess it’s only fair that the Democratic party should disestablish itself because Clinton got a blowjob.

89 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 7:57:30am

re:
#85

I guess it’s only fair that anybody who joked about the “Palin family brawl” now resign in disgrace.

The Obama daughters were in a brawl?

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90 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 7:59:11am

re: #89 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#85

The Obama daughters were in a brawl?

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Their eyerolls could fall off an overpass and smash through someone’s windshield
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91 Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2014 8:00:35am

re: #89 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#85

The Obama daughters were in a brawl?

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Wrong daughters.

92 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 8:01:01am

re:
#22

STPD:

…Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play.

OFFS.

93 Zamb  Dec 1, 2014 8:01:06am

re: #85 The Vicious Fergushka

That’s really nothing compared to the shit I’m seeing this morning comparing dead white kids to dead black kids and asking what’s the difference. The difference of course being that the killer of the white kid was almost always in jail for the crime. I guess to some people the real outrage is that that story didn’t get coverage or outrage because we are supposed to be angry about interracial killings and not that the law basically allows certain people to kill certain other people and then receive an award.

94 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 8:02:53am

re: #85 The Vicious Fergushka

Why do wingnuts have such difficulty with equivalence?

I guess it’s only fair that anybody who joked about the “Palin family brawl” now resign in disgrace.
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) December 1, 2014

This comparison makes zero sense for so many reasons. First, the Obama girls were not doing anything classless or disgraceful or embarrassing….like being part of a drunken brawl at a house party. The Obama girls were merely standing next to their father enduring a cheesy tradition [that was started by a GOP president] and yet some GOP hack wanted to create yet another non-scandal. Second, what Democratic staffer or politician posted anything to a social media account smearing the Palin girls for their drunken brawl at a house party? Dave Weigel can go fuck himself.

95 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 8:03:07am

re: #93 Zamb

That’s really nothing compared to the shit I’m seeing this morning comparing dead white kids to dead black kids and asking what’s the difference. The difference of course being that the killer of the white kid was almost always in jail for the crime. I guess to some people the real outrage is that that story didn’t get coverage or outrage because we are supposed to be angry about interracial killings and not that the law basically allows certain people to kill certain other people and then receive an award.

I see wingnuts asking WHY THIS STORY DOESN’T GET COVERAGE!!!!11! and it’s something that happened like 5-6 years ago.

I also noticed that a lot of these “Black on White” crime memes originate from White Supremacist accounts, like Bad Boy Six.

96 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 8:03:27am

re: #90 The Vicious Fergushka

Their eyerolls could fall off an overpass and smash through someone’s windshield
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97 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 8:04:47am

Gas face. Never heard that one before.

98 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 1, 2014 8:09:51am

re: #22 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Yeah, and unloading a full mag into an unarmed kid is so not offensive.

99 Zamb  Dec 1, 2014 8:12:20am

re: #96 #FergusonFireside

I thought the outrage was because they were being sluts and showing their knees?

100 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 8:13:53am

re: #99 Zamb

I thought the outrage was because they were being sluts and showing their knees?

The outrage was over their short skirts even though they were wearing tights and completely covered up.

101 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 8:14:04am

re: #99 Zamb

I thought the outrage was because they were being sluts and showing their knees?

They weren’t wearing pinafores, dammit!

102 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 8:16:41am

re: #97 #FergusonFireside

Gas face. Never heard that one before.

Now you know…

Youtube Video

103 sagehen  Dec 1, 2014 8:16:49am

It’s 60º here in NYC. In December.

Do I lose all liberal cred if I admit that sometimes, kinda, I don’t really mind global warming?

104 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 1, 2014 8:17:21am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

One thing we have learned from events like Ferguson is that we are not just dealing with a few bad apples, the rot is systemic and goes right the top and even beyond.

Has anyone read through some of the Grand Jury testimony. I have only got through the first two witness and am just amazed by the bullshit involved.

A Sergeant who appears to be Wilsons supervisor, testifies that Wilson told him that Mike Brown charged with his hands up. Was asked by one of the assistant prosecutors: “Did he(Wilson) indicate how Mike Brown raised his arms?” A: “It was like this…he was going to charge at him.” He apparently demonstrated to the Grand Jury. I’d like to see what he did.

This sequence got to me:
Q: Did he say at that time he shot him?
A: He told me when he took the step forward.
Q: He shot him?
A: He knew he couldn’t fight this man.

Another sequence that just pissed me off: Q for prosecutor A for Sergeant even if not really questions:
Q: Did Officer Wilson have any blood on his hands?
A: I did not see any blood
Q: Okay, in the written recorded statement, we learned that he washed his hands because there was blood on them and he was checking for an injury or spread of infection.
A: Whose recorded statement.
Q: Your recorded statement.
A: It had to be something I learned after that day.
Q: All right, thank you.

Inconsistency in this statement and the prosecutor just says thank you. No Indictment=No Justice.

105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 8:28:08am

re:
#104

Inconsistency in this statement and the prosecutor just says thank you. No Indictment=No Justice.

I keep picturing the stuttering defense lawyer in My Cousin Vinnie playing the DA’s role.

106 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 8:31:35am

re: #104 nearly-headless smith25

See, that’s the sort of inconsistency that a defense attorney jumps all over. The sort of shit that would have them visibly salivating. And here, it’s just glossed over, nothing to worry about. As you read through the transcript, you begin to understand that they had absolutely no desire to see this go to trial. Because even if they got Wilson acquitted, they’d do irreparable damage to the department. Any cases presently on appeal for improper procedures would be hurt and future cases would have to deal with the very public airing of how sloppy things are done when they think nobody is watching.

107 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 8:31:36am

The Ferguson Decision Was Not a ‘Miscarriage of Justice.’ Liberals Need to Accept That

[…]

What liberals and the left are doing can be characterized by the term “synecdoche,” a figure of speech in which a part is used to represent a whole. America is termed “Washington” or William Jennings Bryan as “the great commoner.” Liberals took the decision by the grand jury to symbolize, or stand in for, the greater injustice of the Ferguson and of the American criminal justice department. But in fact the reverse occurred. They projected the larger injustice of the system onto the grand jury’s ruling. In doing so, they suggested that in evaluating the grand jury’s decision, one should ignore the gray, and focus only on the black and white.

I don’t agree with the need to use labels, e.g., “liberal”, as I think these kind of terms are way short and now out of date.

To me, the killing of Brown is more like a flashpoint, or in the terminology of complex systems, a “tipping point” (and how that phrase has been misused over the past couple of years, too) in the discussion of justice and race in this country.

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 8:33:46am

re: #107 freetoken

The Ferguson Decision Was Not a ‘Miscarriage of Justice.’ Liberals Need to Accept That

I don’t agree with the need to use labels, e.g., “liberal”, as I think these kind of terms are way short and now out of date.

To me, the killing of Brown is more like a flashpoint, or in the terminology of complex systems, a “tipping point” (and how that phrase has been misused over the past couple of years, too) in the discussion of justice and race in this country.

In the narrow sense, they are right, there was not enough incontrovertible evidence to warrant an indictment. But the lack of evidence and witness testimony was the result of a conscious policy on the part of the FPD to see that the case did not come to trial.

109 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 8:33:50am

re:
#107

The New Republic: Trolling is our business and business is good.

110 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 8:36:00am

re: #107 freetoken

The Ferguson Decision Was Not a ‘Miscarriage of Justice.’ Liberals Need to Accept That

I don’t agree with the need to use labels, e.g., “liberal”, as I think these kind of terms are way short and now out of date.

To me, the killing of Brown is more like a flashpoint, or in the terminology of complex systems, a “tipping point” (and how that phrase has been misused over the past couple of years, too) in the discussion of justice and race in this country.

Perhaps the New Republic staff can answer me this: If grand juries can so ably handle the nuances of our justice system and their decisions on whether or not to indict decide the legality of the defendant’s actions, then why do we bother with trials? Hell, why do we even have trials when they do indict? The argument made time and again since last Monday has been that if a grand jury fails to indict, then there was no case there and thus no chance of a conviction. If so, then why don’t we just treat an indictment as proof of guilt and move straight to the sentencing? We’d save so much time and we’d put defense attorneys out of business since the only person who may present evidence and question witnesses is the prosecutor.

111 Mattand  Dec 1, 2014 8:37:05am

re: #103 sagehen

It’s 60º here in NYC. In December.

Do I lose all liberal cred if I admit that sometimes, kinda, I don’t really mind global warming?

Absolutely. In fact, I’ve already called Saul Alinksy and Bill Ayers to convene a gathering to have you drum circled out of the movement.

Afterwards, we will burn the Constitution and draw mustaches on Washington’s $1 bill portrait to close the ceremony.

112 lawhawk  Dec 1, 2014 8:39:36am

re: #107 freetoken

They didn’t need incontrovertible evidence to proceed with an indictment. That’s not the standard for a grand jury to hand down an indictment.

It’s only that there needs to be probable cause to believe that Wilson committed a crime.

It’s a much lower standard than incontrovertible evidence (which sounds a lot more like beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard that jurors in a criminal trial must utilize).

Given the lower standard of probable cause, there was sufficient evidence to find for an indictment, if the prosecutor had seen fit to present the same evidence in a manner consistent with all other grand juries that he had seated. The unique method he concocted for this grand jury meant that he was treating this as both grand jury and as a trial, even though that’s not how it’s done, and that the one-sided nature of the presentment of evidence meant that he could subtly and not-so-subtly treat some witness statements as not trustworthy while giving all benefits of doubt to Wilson and those that supported his version of events.

113 Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 1, 2014 8:42:35am

re: #97 #FergusonFireside

My cousin recently had to explain “resting bitch face” (which she called “resting grumpy face) to her 7 year old. Why? Because the7 year old asked, “Mom, why is my mouth frowning when I’m just sitting here?” :D

114 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 8:43:07am

re: #112 lawhawk

I accept the onus really falls on the prosecutor and the DA’s office.

As noted by so many, there is a symbiotic relationship between DAs and police departments, and this leads to the back-scratching arrangements that very well may thwart the concept of “justice” as we desire that to mean.

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 8:43:09am

re: #112 lawhawk

And the nuance that will probably not come out and be understood is that McCollough treated this grand jury work completely different than his usual pattern. Would take records being available to do the comparison, and then the work to actually compare 3-4 GJ presentations to show that there was a massively different pattern.

And at that point the results would be totally ignored by the media as old news unworthy of coverage and liberals sliming America!

116 Mattand  Dec 1, 2014 8:45:15am

Scarborough: Michael Brown Was A ‘Thug,’ Protests Are Based On ‘Lies’ (VIDEO)

The next time some False Balance Warrior insists that MSNBC is the flip side of Fox News, ask them to find someone on Fox who’s allowed to consistently run off at the mouth the way Scarborough does every fucking day on MSNBC.

117 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 8:46:10am

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

And the nuance that will probably not come out and be understood is that McCollough treated this grand jury work completely different than his usual pattern. Would take records being available to do the comparison, and then the work to actually compare 3-4 GJ presentations to show that there was a massively different pattern.

And at that point the results would be totally ignored by the media as old news unworthy of coverage and liberals sliming America!

Hell, it’s a simple matter of asking of how many cops McCulloch has tried for excessive use of force. The answer? Zero. In 24 years, the man has not once seen a case where he felt a cop acted outside the bounds of his authority.

118 Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2014 8:46:51am

re: #111 Mattand

Absolutely. In fact, I’ve already called Saul Alinksy and Bill Ayers to convene a gathering to have you drum circled out of the movement.

Afterwards, we will burn the Constitution and draw mustaches on Washington’s $1 bill portrait to close the ceremony.

That’s my favorite part of the night.

119 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 8:47:28am

re: #107 freetoken

Not only will I explain why you should just let the nice policemen shoot black kids with no consequences, I’ll even explain “synechdoche,” because none of you pot smoking dummies know what it means. So there!

120 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 8:48:34am

re: #119 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Not only will I explain why you should just let the nice policemen shoot black kids with no consequences, I’ll even explain “synechdoche,” because none of you pot smoking dummies know what it means. So there!

I keep seeing “synedouche” and thinking that must be some kind of synthetic douche.

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 8:50:39am
122 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 8:50:47am

re: #116 Mattand

Scarborough: Michael Brown Was A ‘Thug,’ Protests Are Based On ‘Lies’ (VIDEO)

The next time some False Balance Warrior insists that MSNBC is the flip side of Fox News, ask them to find someone on Fox who’s allowed to consistently run off at the mouth the way Scarborough does every fucking day on MSNBC.

Since when has Morning Joke been relevant? Seriously, this is a guy who two years ago responded to talk about voter suppression in a presidential election by screaming “BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI!!!” on national TV.

123 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 8:51:44am

TEH STUPIDS.
I just can’t even.

124 Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2014 8:53:43am

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For the first time in a long time, I’m genuinely shocked.

125 Mattand  Dec 1, 2014 8:53:46am

re: #123 The Vicious Fergushka

TEH STUPIDS.
I just can’t even.

[Embedded content]

Ted Cruz quoting Breitbart. That’s a black hole of stupid, where intelligence gets sucked into its unescapable idiot field, never to be seen again.

126 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 1, 2014 8:54:20am

re: #112 lawhawk

So I just read that the two assistant prosecutors left the Grand Jury alone in the room while playing evidence (one of the taped interviews). Seems unclear who, but they instruct the Grand Jury”… not to deliberate or anything while I’m gone because _____ is still here and he’s just going to be present while this is played…”

Never heard of this before, just so shady.

127 BeachDem  Dec 1, 2014 8:56:40am

re: #58 darthstar

A buddy of mine at work signed up for Pre - the TSA shortcut line. Said it took six months to process his paperwork but only 15 minutes at the airport to get his docs once that was ready.

We don’t fly often, but I hate security lines, so this is inspiring me to pay the $100.

[Embedded content]

Somehow I got in the precheck group. Never applied. Never filled out paperwork. Maybe because I fly a lot. Not sure, but it does make things simpler. Now if they could figure out a carry-on system that would speed up deplaning…

128 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 8:57:08am

re:
#123

CONFIRMED: Obamacare provides a $3,000 incentive to hire illegal immigrants over citizens:

I thought people without jobs were automatically lazy moochers who just want free stuff and need to get on their bootstraps and get a job. //

129 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 8:57:10am

re: #124 Timothy Watson

For the first time in a long time, I’m genuinely shocked.

I wonder if it has anything to do with their noses getting smacked on the whole Rice matter. Speaking of which:

130 Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2014 8:58:18am

re: #123 The Vicious Fergushka

Uh…if due to executive action, certain currently illegal immigrants can get green cards/work visas/whatever, don’t they then become legal immigrants that would both apply to the 50 workers count and qualify for subsidies?

131 Mattand  Dec 1, 2014 8:58:50am

re: #124 Timothy Watson

For the first time in a long time, I’m genuinely shocked.

I’d like to think that Goodell and the other brain surgeons at NFL HQ said, “Probably not the best time to wag our lily white fingers at a bunch of our black employees working in a region where cops can get away with shooting black people.

“Especially since we’re letting a guy caught on camera punching his wife into unconsciousness back into the game.”

132 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 8:59:01am

re:
#125

Ted Cruz quoting Breitbart. That’s a black hole of stupid, where intelligence gets sucked into its unescapable idiot field, never to be seen again.

This form of stupid is so potent you don’t even have to read it or hear it firsthand to be infected by its ludicrousness. It’s like absorbing third or fourth hand smoke.

133 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 9:03:28am

re:
#121

NFL says it won’t discipline Rams players for Ferguson protest

Oh, no, this will make Joe Scarbro really, really angry. //

134 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 9:03:43am

re: #110 Targetpractice

Perhaps the New Republic staff can answer me this: If grand juries can so ably handle the nuances of our justice system and their decisions on whether or not to indict decide the legality of the defendant’s actions, then why do we bother with trials? Hell, why do we even have trials when they do indict? The argument made time and again since last Monday has been that if a grand jury fails to indict, then there was no case there and thus no chance of a conviction. If so, then why don’t we just treat an indictment as proof of guilt and move straight to the sentencing? We’d save so much time and we’d put defense attorneys out of business since the only person who may present evidence and question witnesses is the prosecutor.

Perhaps they should change the name of their publication to Brave New Republic. That way we wouldn’t be annoyed that an Alpha is lecturing us for being outraged that a jury of Deltas excused a Gamma for killing an Epsilon.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 9:07:08am

re: #126 nearly-headless smith25

So I just read that the two assistant prosecutors left the Grand Jury alone in the room while playing evidence (one of the taped interviews). Seems unclear who, but they instruct the Grand Jury”… not to deliberate or anything while I’m gone because _____ is still here and he’s just going to be present while this is played…”

Never heard of this before, just so shady.

Where was the judge while as this was going on? Or is he somehow limited in controlling what sort of crap is presented and the methods used?

(I’m saying this in regards to grand jury proceedings. I know from regular trial attendance that a judge can hold both sides to following *his* procedures for presenting evidence and making motions. And get pissed off at them when they continue to flout them.)

136 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 9:17:20am

re: #131 Mattand

I’d like to think that Goodell and the other brain surgeons at NFL HQ said, “Probably not the best time to wag our lily white fingers at a bunch of our black employees working in a region where cops can get away with shooting black people.

“Especially since we’re letting a guy caught on camera punching his wife into unconsciousness back into the game.”

I’d like to think that they understood the principles of the protest is agreed with them rather than the decision being solely based on fear of adverse publicity and income being affected.

137 darthstar  Dec 1, 2014 9:18:03am

re: #59 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I wouldn’t count on the resigning upward part. If wingnut welfare has to find a place for every conservative who says offensive things and then resigns it will soon employ more people than the Chinese army.

When it starts paying as much as Walmart we’ll know it’s reached its peak….peak wingnut.

138 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 1, 2014 9:18:17am

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

Where was the judge while as this was going on? Or is he somehow limited in controlling what sort of crap is presented and the methods used?

(I’m saying this in regards to grand jury proceedings. I know from regular trial attendance that a judge can hold both sides to following *his* procedures for presenting evidence and making motions. And get pissed off at them when they continue to flout them.)

Unclear if the Judge is whom is spoken of or not.

Plus this: Wilson told at least one Officer (Sergeant- Immediate supervisor) Mike Brown had his hands up, but told FBI investigator that Brown never had his hands up.

I just need to stop reading this shit right now.

139 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 9:18:33am

re: #116 Mattand

Scarborough: Michael Brown Was A ‘Thug,’ Protests Are Based On ‘Lies’ (VIDEO)

The next time some False Balance Warrior insists that MSNBC is the flip side of Fox News, ask them to find someone on Fox who’s allowed to consistently run off at the mouth the way Scarborough does every fucking day on MSNBC.

Ah, there’s that librul MSNBC we keep hearing about.

140 lawhawk  Dec 1, 2014 9:22:48am

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

Where was the judge while as this was going on? Or is he somehow limited in controlling what sort of crap is presented and the methods used?

(I’m saying this in regards to grand jury proceedings. I know from regular trial attendance that a judge can hold both sides to following *his* procedures for presenting evidence and making motions. And get pissed off at them when they continue to flout them.)

There are no judges in a grand jury proceeding. The role of the GJ is for the prosecutor to lay out a case for indictment. They can go back and refine an indictment based on what the GJ says.

141 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 9:26:17am

re: #125 Mattand

Ted Cruz quoting Breitbart. That’s a black hole of stupid, where intelligence gets sucked into its unescapable idiot field, never to be seen again.

It’s Breitbart citing the Moonie Times and Cruz citing Breitbart. Talk about the circle of derp.

142 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 9:29:02am

The Chris Rock interview is fantastic.

vulture.com

Obama came out of nowhere, basically. At which point Bill Clinton started making public statements that often seemed one step away from knifing Obama.

He’s a dick, but you’re talking about a guy who’s embarrassed his wife. So he had a choice, and I couldn’t judge him. I had to choose between pissing off all the black people in the world or having my wife mad at me? Then the hell with the black people, because he doesn’t live with all the black people. He lives with his wife.

Even though he was the first black president.

Allegedly. Until a black guy showed up.

Who in the Democratic Party could go after Hillary, though? There doesn’t seem to be anyone like Barack Obama.

There was no Barack Obama until Barack Obama either. I mean, I would love to see Hillary, but there’s a part of Hillary that’s like the Democratic McCain at this point. As he showed, “It’s my time” is not really enough. But you know, I’m absolutely ready for a woman president. I’m ready for a woman nighttime-talk-show host, to tell you the truth. I wonder which will be first.

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 9:29:38am

re: #140 lawhawk

There are no judges in a grand jury proceeding. The role of the GJ is for the prosecutor to lay out a case for indictment. They can go back and refine an indictment based on what the GJ says.

So it’s just the DA and the panel of jurists?

Wow. Talk about a “Who’s watching the watchmen?” situation. I presume there is some convoluted and difficult process for challenging or reviewing these proceedings?

144 Mattand  Dec 1, 2014 9:31:21am

re: #139 Dr. Matt

Ah, there’s that librul MSNBC we keep hearing about.

It really reminds me of the self-face punching Democrats do all the time.

145 danarchy  Dec 1, 2014 9:35:32am

re: #116 Mattand

Scarborough: Michael Brown Was A ‘Thug,’ Protests Are Based On ‘Lies’ (VIDEO)

The next time some False Balance Warrior insists that MSNBC is the flip side of Fox News, ask them to find someone on Fox who’s allowed to consistently run off at the mouth the way Scarborough does every fucking day on MSNBC.

I am sure the response would be Bob Beckel

146 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 9:36:47am

What just happened? Did Anon take over Louie Gohmert & Steve Stockman’s Twitter accounts?

147 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 9:37:31am

Because I’m a masochist, I’m watching the COP20 Plenary:

unfccc6.meta-fusion.com

As these things go, it appears to be running smoothly. As the week gets on, though, the politicians will increasingly feel the need to posture for video-clips to be shown in their home country.

148 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 9:40:45am

re:
#146

Gohmert’s tweet is surprisingly a straight-forward praising of Parks, while Stockman’s seems to have an ulterior motive.

149 ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2014 9:41:01am

So, I watched that Joke Scarborough bullcrap video rant and all I have to add is Joke and Donnie now both seem to have the same hair. I bet they use the same stylist. Both of them can go to hell…hair and all.

150 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 9:41:35am

re: #148 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Creationists, posturing about the specialness of humans.

151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 9:43:04am

re:
#150

I think Stockman is complaining about legal abortion because, you know, Stockman is so totally “prolife” in all his positions. ///

152 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 9:43:38am

When is Stockman officially unemployed?

153 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 9:44:16am

re: #151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I do suspect it’s all about how racist those evil abortionists are, how abortionists are committing genocide against brown people, etc.

154 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 9:44:21am

re:
#146

59 years ago today, Rosa Parks defied unjust laws that declared some people were less human than others.
— Rep. Steve Stockman

Happy to hear Stockman taking a stand for gay-rights and marriage equality. /

155 Varek Raith  Dec 1, 2014 9:48:38am

Police angry at ‘hands up’ display by Rams players

Boo-fucking-hoo.

156 Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2014 9:49:00am
157 Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2014 9:49:15am

Ugh, this [fanboy] profile really exists: @HelpSnowden

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 9:49:32am

Had a 15-20 minute discussion with a co-worker who did 2-3 *months* on a grand jury a few years back. Pretty much a DA-and-panel thing, and it’s obvious that the system has a glaringly obvious point of failure if the DA desires a “no bill” result.

Co-worker was sort of surprised when I offered up the concept that that a DA might enter the proceedings not wanting a non-indictment. Just not something he had thought of occurring outside of a DA being “bought”.

159 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 9:50:31am

re: #157 Dr. Matt

Ugh, this [fanboy] profile really exists: @HelpSnowden

Maybe it’s actually Eddie himself? Because who else gives a shit?

160 lawhawk  Dec 1, 2014 9:50:43am

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s correct.

When the defendant who doesn’t enter a plea deal goes to trial, the issues of fact or law are to be addressed before the judge and jury. A competent defense will be able to question witnesses, evidence gathering, and other procedural matters. The judge may rule to exclude certain evidence from being heard as prejudicial, improperly gathered, hearsay, etc. They could rule that the jury is supposed to disregard certain information, witness statements, etc., and the judge will also identify the rule of law that applies to the case and present jury instructions.

161 lawhawk  Dec 1, 2014 9:52:38am

re: #156 Charles Johnson

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 9:55:00am

re: #160 lawhawk

That’s correct.

When the defendant who doesn’t enter a plea deal goes to trial, the issues of fact or law are to be addressed before the judge and jury. A competent defense will be able to question witnesses, evidence gathering, and other procedural matters. The judge may rule to exclude certain evidence from being heard as prejudicial, improperly gathered, hearsay, etc. They could rule that the jury is supposed to disregard certain information, witness statements, etc., and the judge will also identify the rule of law that applies to the case and present jury instructions.

But that only kicks in if the process goes down the “indictment” side of the processing chain. Per my comment #158 that leaves an obvious point of failure in the case of a underzealous or biased prosecuting attorney.

163 Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2014 9:56:58am

re: #158 Feline Fearless Leader

Had a 15-20 minute discussion with a co-worker who did 2-3 *months* on a grand jury a few years back. Pretty much a DA-and-panel thing, and it’s obvious that the system has a glaringly obvious point of failure if the DA desires a “no bill” result.

Co-worker was sort of surprised when I offered up the concept that that a DA might enter the proceedings not wanting a non-indictment. Just not something he had thought of occurring outside of a DA being “bought”.

In some jurisdictions, a single officer/deputy will come to the grand jury and just read off other officers’/deputies’ incident reports to the grand jury for all the charges.

Boom, true bills, and done.

164 lawhawk  Dec 1, 2014 9:57:08am

re: #162 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s prosecutorial discretion to go for an indictment, or to file charges (without a GJ indictment). So, when a prosecutor decides to look the other way and not prosecute, there’s nothing that can be done other than somehow getting a special prosecutor appointed (as was done in the Zimmerman case in FL), or hope here that the feds take up the case as a civil rights violation.

165 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 9:59:22am

All that tea belonged to the East India Corporation. So what did they do, brew it up and serve it to East India executives in bone china cups, with Milano cookies?

166 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 10:01:14am
167 jaunte  Dec 1, 2014 10:02:46am

re: #166 Kragar

The Oath Keepers’ founder, Stewart Rhodes, told the newspaper that volunteers agreed to leave their posts after being threatened with arrest for operating without a license.

“Armed vigilantes allowed to leave area without being shot or arrested.”

168 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 10:02:49am

re: #165 The Vicious Fergushka

All that tea belonged to the East India Corporation.

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And underwritten by the Dawes Tomes Mousley Grubbs Fidelity Fiduciary Bank.

Source: I watched Mary Poppins for the zillionth time this weekend.

169 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 10:11:35am

re: #161 lawhawk

Weird to see Politico saying “lawmakers working to avert a government shutdown,” when it’s GOP lawmakers who are CALLING FOR a shutdown.

Politico prefers “lawmakers working to avert a government shutdown,” to “GOP identifying potential hostages and preparing a list of demands.”

170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 1, 2014 10:12:01am

re: #166 Kragar

Police Order Oath Keepers To Stop Guarding Ferguson Rooftops

When will police thugs stop infringing on the rights of Patriots to guard the sanctity of private property?

171 jaunte  Dec 1, 2014 10:12:17am

Klayman: “…The scary saga of black mob violence in Ferguson, Missouri, this week, where a cop was not indicted for the killing of Michael Brown - a young thug who robbed a convenience store and then attacked the arresting officer - unmasks in greater detail the frightening racial divide and criminal reverse racism among many black Americans incited by the Obamas, Holders, Sharptons and Jacksons of the world. This lot, and their minions, has triggered a racial war - only one that is one-sided. White Americans and others of non-color have been slow to react and fight back, for fear of being branded racists and ostracized from their social and political communities.* Indeed, if white Americans and their ilk would again act in this fashion - as they did to an extent in the old South and elsewhere in the middle years of the 20th century, by burning and looting stores, setting afire buildings and mugging innocent people based on their race - then they would be branded as modern-day versions of the Ku Klux Klan and prosecuted by Obama’s Justice Department, among other law enforcement agencies under his direction and control. “

*Delusional

172 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 10:13:17am

Rand Paul still shake-shake-shakin’ the Benghazi Boogaloo

173 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 10:13:42am
174 ipsos  Dec 1, 2014 10:14:05am

re: #172 The Vicious Fergushka

Rand Paul still shake-shake-shakin’ the Benghazi Boogaloo

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Fakers gonna fake-fake-fake-fake-fake…

175 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 10:14:49am

re:
#171

criminal reverse racism among many black Americans incited by the Obamas, Holders, Sharptons and Jacksons of the world.

REVERSE RACISM!!!!

Surprised Klayman didn’t refer to himself as a ‘race realist’.

176 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 10:15:02am
177 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 10:15:03am

I just hate that song.

178 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 10:15:24am

re: #172 The Vicious Fergushka

Rand Paul still shake-shake-shakin’ the Benghazi Boogaloo

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Wait, so he’s gonna hold members of his own party accountable for saying a lot of stupid shit two years ago that hasn’t been supported by the facts established in seven separate committee investigations?

179 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 10:16:13am

re: #176 Kragar

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Which of course is why it was talked about and supported in the 18th century, before Karl Marx had even been born.

180 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 10:17:16am

re:
#172

I’ll continue to blame and seek to punish the Administration and all Democrats for Benghazi despite the failure of anyone to find any reason for why we’ve politicized this tragedy for two years.

181 Franklin  Dec 1, 2014 10:18:24am

Can’t wait for the ‘Palin around with terrorists’ crowd to bark about this.

182 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 10:19:18am

re: #176 Kragar

Rick Santorum: Separation Of Church And State A Communist Idea, Not An American One

Oh those wily, time-traveling commies! Das Kapital was published in 1848.

183 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 10:19:19am

re:
#176

Rick Santorum: Separation Of Church And State A Communist Idea, Not An American One

And it’s high time we unearthed the bone remains of Communists like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison and burned them at the stake for forcing a separation of church and state down are throats!!!!1

184 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 10:19:55am

re: #181 Franklin

Can’t wait for the ‘Palin around with terrorists’ crowd to bark about this.

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Doesn’t say who….

185 Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2014 10:20:03am

Which of course means Republicans will now find a way to oppose body cameras for cops.

186 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 1, 2014 10:20:52am

re:
#179

Which of course is why it was talked about and supported in the 18th century, before Karl Marx had even been born.

No the separation of church and state was dreamed up by Marx and Saul Alinsky back in the 1600s. //

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 10:22:20am

heh…

188 Varek Raith  Dec 1, 2014 10:23:28am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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HAHA.

189 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 10:24:34am

re: #184 #FergusonFireside

Doesn’t say who….

@MsPackyetti

is one of them.

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 10:32:08am

re: #179 Targetpractice

Which of course is why it was talked about and supported in the 18th century, before Karl Marx had even been born.

Santorum thinks the Enlightenment was Edison inventing a practical light bulb.
///

191 Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2014 10:34:10am

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