Rick Santorum: Separation of Church and State Is a Communist Idea

Thomas Jefferson, the original commie
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Did you know that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were communists? Yes! It’s true, at least according to Rick Santorum.

A listener on the call told Santorum that “a number of the things that the far left, a.k.a. the Democrat [sic] Party, and the president is pushing for and accomplishing actually accomplishes a number of the tenets of ‘The Communist Manifesto,’ including the amnesty, the elevation of pornography, homosexuality, gay marriage, voter fraud, open borders, mass self-importation of illegal immigrants and things of that nature.” The likely presidential candidate replied that “the words ‘separation of church and state’ is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it was in the constitution of the former Soviet Union. That’s where it very, very comfortably sat, not in ours.”

Of course, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, among others, referred to the separation of church and state when explaining the amendment which they drafted.

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367 comments
1 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 6:29:49pm

I kind of like the idea of Tom Jefferson as a Time Lord, who later travelled to the 19th century and imitated a German economic theorist.

Perhaps the BBC can pick up on this idea for next year’s Doctor Who?

3 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 6:31:34pm

Which only proves that not all commie ideas are bad. Next.

4 Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2014 6:31:45pm

Do hope Sweater Boy makes it into the TPGOP debates—it would be dull without him and Bachmann.

5 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 1, 2014 6:33:26pm

How convenient he forgets that communism in at least some forms separates church from it’s very existence where it can. Kinda far cry from this guys delusions.

6 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 6:33:32pm

And, let’s face it, S—torum (sorry for using an expletive) is a Christofascist.

7 Jenner7  Dec 1, 2014 6:33:42pm

Goldie Taylor speaking now…

live.historicebenezer.org

8 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 6:35:05pm

Obama used his TARDIS to take Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto back in time and give it to the Founding Father when they were writing the Constitution.

9 Varek Raith  Dec 1, 2014 6:36:49pm

Don’t look at me, I didn’t fuck up the timeline.
<_<

10 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 6:37:28pm

re: #9 Varek Raith

Don’t look at me, I didn’t fuck up the timeline.
<_<

Were you trying to kill Hitler again?

11 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 6:37:45pm

re: #9 Varek Raith

Don’t look at me, I didn’t fuck up the timeline.
<_<

I’ll take it as a confession.

12 bratwurst  Dec 1, 2014 6:37:49pm

Remember folks, this was the GOPs RUNNER UP for their presidential nomination. Millions of rank-and-file Republicans wanted this man to be their standard bearer.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:42:30pm

Since this was a topic of discussion in several threads downstairs, I’ll just leave this here:

14 Jenner7  Dec 1, 2014 6:43:27pm

Goldie is ON FIRE. Telling the truth. Go Goldie!

15 b_sharp  Dec 1, 2014 6:44:11pm

IT JUST HIT 50%!!

16 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:44:40pm

hmmm, Pope Gregory VII in the 12th Century?

” The importance of Gregory VII has long been recognized. The quarrel between empire and papacy was the first such dispute since antiquity, and it resulted in a completely unprecedented war of words between the protagonists and their supporters. Its effects are still felt, not least in the idea that the separation of Church and State is desirable. …”

I actually learned this from a 2nd Amendment author —I’d have to dig to find it. Guys a lawyer, writes for a lot of journals.

Rick’s a RC —right?

17 b_sharp  Dec 1, 2014 6:44:41pm

In other news, I’ve been watching my toe nails grow.

18 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 6:46:06pm

On a more serious note, the point that Santorum is trying to make goes back to that grandfather of Domionism, Rushdoony, and his proposition that one could look at the colonists were actually not so godly and in open rebellion against legitimate authority, legitimacy coming from God through the Church to the Government.

That was followed on by his son-in-law Gary North arguing that the Constitution was ungodly and that the colonial charters, most of which made the colonies explicitly Christian by decree and required the colonial authorities to have a submission to the church in some broader sense.

Now we have Santorum, decades later, pursuing the Pop-version of this idea.

This idea is taking root in fundamentalist churches around America, as neo-Reformed teaching replaces the older Arminian and dispensationalism.

I expect this kind of outcry to continue even louder as our society bifurcates - modernists vs. archaists.

19 jonhendry  Dec 1, 2014 6:46:21pm

I think Boyega as a Stormtrooper is cool, but…

In the clip in the trailer, he kind of looks like his stomach just gurgled and he’s like “GOTTA POOP. IN ARMOR. NO TP. OMG. OMG. IT’S COMING. OMG.”

(Not that this is inherent to his appearance, and it’ll probably go away in the full context of the scene.)

20 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 6:47:12pm

TEH AMERIKA IZ A CRISHCHIN NAYSHIN

21 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:49:02pm
There’s a new lawsuit in Florida. The state cancelled the drivers’ licenses of a gay couple after they married in New York and hyphenated their last name. Even though it’s their new legal name, the state of Florida is refusing to recognize it, so they’ve sued.
22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:49:51pm

re: #17 b_sharp

In other news, I’ve been watching my toe nails grow.

I want my toenails to just disappear…forever.

23 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:50:03pm

re: #14 Jenner7

Goldie is ON FIRE. Telling the truth. Go Goldie!

Hawn?

24 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 6:50:33pm

In a nation of 318 million people, just about politician with a few connections in media or even just a modicum of wealth can get a million people to pay attention to them.

And thus we’ve not seen the last of Santorum, or any of that band of merry men.

25 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:50:37pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want my toenails to just disappear…forever.

I want someone to just appear every two weeks in my home and give me a spa pedicure.

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:50:42pm

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

Taylor

27 Jenner7  Dec 1, 2014 6:50:43pm

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

Goldie Taylor

28 b_sharp  Dec 1, 2014 6:51:12pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want my toenails to just disappear…forever.

That would be nice.

The more difficult it becomes to reach them the faster they grow.

29 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:51:28pm
30 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:51:53pm

re: #28 b_sharp

That would be nice.

The more difficult it becomes to reach them the faster they grow.

Thus, the Spa Pedicure.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:51:55pm

re: #28 b_sharp

That would be nice.

The more difficult it becomes to reach them the faster they grow.

yeppers.

32 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 1, 2014 6:52:26pm

Goddamn that little Falangist bastard really pisses me off.

33 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 6:52:30pm

The Sierra Nevada are about to get hammered. Great news all around.

34 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 6:52:44pm

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

hmmm, Pope Gregory VII in the 12th Century?

I actually learned this from a 2nd Amendment author —I’d have to dig to find it. Guys a lawyer, writes for a lot of journals.

Rick’s a RC —right?

Yeah, and like Gregory VII, Rick seems to be a Church supremacist.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:52:51pm

re: #30 FemNaziBitch

Thus, the Spa Pedicure.

My toenails are beyond the expertise of any spa pedicure.

36 jonhendry  Dec 1, 2014 6:52:57pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want my toenails to just disappear…forever.

When I’m a post-Singularity evil overlord, I’ll find a way to make nail trimming go away forever. Really, any biological-driven maintenance procedure. A tiny wormhole in the bladder, to dispose of urine, would be swell.

37 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 6:53:01pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want my toenails to just disappear…forever.

There are ways.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:54:05pm

re: #37 Kragar

There are ways.

I know…I’ve seen the post-op pictures…

eeewwwwwwww

39 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 6:54:49pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know…I’ve seen the post-op pictures…

eeewwwwwwww

Post-op? It’s Kragar. You’ll be lucky if he only means the Holy Inquisition. /

40 b.d.  Dec 1, 2014 6:55:02pm

SOVIET CONSTITUTION!?!?!? THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE!!!!

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of antireligious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

departments.bucknell.edu

41 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:55:05pm

AH, I found it.

Dave Kopel

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 6:55:07pm

re: #39 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Post-op? It’s Kragar. You’ll be lucky if he means the Holy Inquisition. /

:D

43 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 6:55:50pm

re: #39 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Post-op? It’s Kragar. You’ll be lucky if he only means the Holy Inquisition. /

44 b_sharp  Dec 1, 2014 6:57:03pm

I’m going to bed to see if some of the sleep I lost last night can be recovered.

45 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:57:34pm

re: #40 bill d

SOVIET CONSTITUTION!?!?!? THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE!!!!

departments.bucknell.edu

You mean, give power the people?

I’m thinking of that song by the Greatful Dead —What a long strange trip . .
Youtube Video

46 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 1, 2014 6:57:47pm

re: #12 bratwurst

Remember folks, this was the GOPs RUNNER UP for their presidential nomination. Millions of rank-and-file Republicans wanted this man to be their standard bearer.

Traditionally that means he’s next.

Next.

Let that one sink in.

47 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 6:58:32pm

re: #46 William Barnett-Lewis

Traditionally that means he’s next.

Next.

Let that one sink in.

Mitt’s still in line.

48 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:58:42pm

re: #36 jonhendry

When I’m a post-Singularity evil overlord, I’ll find a way to make nail trimming go away forever. Really, any biological-driven maintenance procedure. A tiny wormhole in the bladder, to dispose of urine, would be swell.

Can you do something about *ahem* female monthly hormonal issues?

49 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 6:58:55pm

re: #47 The Vicious Fergushka

Mitt’s still in line.

I find that hilarious.

50 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 6:59:22pm

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

I find that hilarious.

He got stuck in the sewer pipe.

51 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 7:01:03pm
ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life. The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, prematernity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.

THE HORROR!

52 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 7:02:00pm

re: #36 jonhendry

When I’m a post-Singularity evil overlord, I’ll find a way to make nail trimming go away forever. Really, any biological-driven maintenance procedure. A tiny wormhole in the bladder, to dispose of urine, would be swell.

Actually, can you just rid the world of menopause?

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 7:02:28pm

re: #47 The Vicious Fergushka

Mitt’s still in line.

So is Paul Ryan….

54 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:02:49pm

re: #51 FemNaziBitch

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law:

freedom of speech;
freedom of the press;
freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
freedom of street processions and demonstrations.

None of this would be found in S—torum’s “constitution”, I presume.

55 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 7:04:01pm

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

I find that hilarious.

And Jeb’s planning to jump the line.

The scary thing is if Jeb runs against Hillary he has a chance of winning.

56 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:04:15pm
ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.

Can’t have that because commies.

57 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 7:05:15pm

re: #54 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

None of this would be found in S—torum’s “constitution”, I presume.

The meme seems to be that anything that robs power from aristocratic white men is communist.

More and more american’s are not fooled by this.

58 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:05:31pm
ARTICLE 137. Women have the right to elect and be elected on equal terms with men.

This is right out in S—torum’s America.

59 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 7:06:02pm

re: #56 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Can’t have that because commies.

I agree, the effectiveness of implementation of this Constitution is in question —yet the wording is no less idealistic than our Constitution.

60 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 7:06:29pm

bbl

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 7:07:06pm
62 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 7:08:37pm

re: #18 freetoken

Wow, some bad grammar on my part. And I dropped a few phrases.

Anyway, North put forward the idea that the colonial charters were more Godly and thus were better to be emulated than the US Constitution, which he like so many fundamentalists see as being ungodly.

The basis for dominionists’ hatred for democracy is that it is anti-God, in the sense that “everyone did right in their own eyes”, a condemning phrase in the Bible, is equated to democracy.

When you hear the tea partiers screaming “We’re not a democracy!!!!” this is the track they are on - the track set up by the dominionists.

I ascribe some of the traction these ideas have among the hyper-religious in our nation to the burnt-out-on-end-times teaching, a la Hal Lindsey, that held so much sway among American fundamentalists during the last half of the 20th century.

Well, we’re still here, more than one generation after “Israel” (in some sense) was brought back to the land, so the Dispensationlists are now more and more discredited even among the not-so-bright crowd.

Filling the dogma-void are the neo-Reformed dominionists, with even better, new and improved, fundamentalism.

This is all a backlash against the very quick changes in American society the past 50 years, which built on the previous century of fast changers.

We humans are not so quickly pliable in our belief systems. We don’t easily change beliefs quickly, on the whole.

We created religion to sooth us, give us a sense of meaning in a meaningless universe, and so forth.

Knock that out from under the society and all sorts of things must fill those voids.

So much has been written about post-Christian Europe, but I don’t know if much of that gets discussed in America - certainly it doesn’t in our major media outlets.

We America are now partly post-Christian, partly don’t-want-to-be-post-Christian and we see this dynamic playing out in our politics.

I still am waiting for a major candidate to come right out and fully embrace a modern worldview. President Obama was a pew warmer and that was not uncalculated.

I’m wondering when we’ll get our first serious Presidential candidate who will be willing to stand up and say “I don’t do pews, and you don’t have to also.”

63 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:09:41pm

re: #59 FemNaziBitch

I agree, the effectiveness of implementation of this Constitution is in question —yet the wording is no less idealistic than our Constitution.

Exactly. Just because Stalin used it as toilet paper doesn’t mean it doesn’t contain a lot of right things.

It even quotes from the Bible:

ARTICLE 12. In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”

64 meteor  Dec 1, 2014 7:11:10pm

So that ‘no law respecting an establishment of religion’ thing was just a joke, right?

65 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 7:11:28pm
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk… ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children’s ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: [very nervous] Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I… no, no. I don’t, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen… tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first… become… well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: [somewhat embarrassed] Well, I, uh… I… I… first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue… a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I… I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh… women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh… I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I… I do deny them my essence.
66 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:12:27pm

re: #64 meteor

So that ‘no law respecting an establishment of religion’ thing was just a joke, right?

It only meant that the Christian sects should not be fighting with each other and assert their primacy, that’s all! Infidels need not apply at all!

67 dog philosopher  Dec 1, 2014 7:13:38pm

santorum

i wont vote for anybody whose name is in the genitive plural

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2014 7:13:47pm

Off to nap for a few hours before re-loading the woodstove in the wee hours.
laterz all…

69 dog philosopher  Dec 1, 2014 7:18:27pm

give me ablative or give me death

70 sagehen  Dec 1, 2014 7:18:42pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

My toenails are beyond the expertise of any spa pedicure.

I got my toes done today… the best part was the awesome massage chair I sat in while the “nail technician” was doing whatever the hell it is she does.

71 dog philosopher  Dec 1, 2014 7:19:25pm

Testosterone Trick Leaves Wives Speechless

didnt feel like clicking on that one

72 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:19:31pm

re: #69 dog philosopher

give me ablative or give me death

We’re out of both. How about laxative?

73 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2014 7:19:54pm

Here is this Middle Eastern looking “thug” making the gangiest gang sign ever ganged!

74 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:21:19pm

re: #73 The Vicious Fergushka

Here is this Middle Eastern looking “thug” making the gangiest gang sign ever ganged!

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He doesn’t even speak English.

75 The Mountain That Blogs  Dec 1, 2014 7:22:05pm

re: #72 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

or a calmative

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 1, 2014 7:22:06pm

re: #74 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

He doesn’t even speak English.

He must have - how else could he have gotten the King James version written!?!
///

77 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 1, 2014 7:26:04pm

re: #76 Feline Fearless Leader

He must have - how else could he have gotten the King James version written!?!
///

Miracle!

78 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 1, 2014 7:28:31pm

re: #55 The Vicious Fergushka

And Jeb’s planning to jump the line.

The scary thing is if Jeb runs against Hillary he has a chance of winning.

There are more who hate Hillary for no reason than would hate a Bush for good reason, alas. I’m not fond of her & pray for a real challenger in the primaries for that reason more than any other.

79 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 1, 2014 7:29:08pm

Wonder what this could turn into…

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 1, 2014 7:32:08pm

re: #73 The Vicious Fergushka

Here is this Middle Eastern looking “thug” making the gangiest gang sign ever ganged!

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Buddhist nothing, that’s basic Protestantism - only the individual can interpret scripture for themselves. Sola Scripture.

I prefer being in the Anglican communion: tucked somewhere between the extremes of my christian brethren.

81 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 1, 2014 7:33:57pm

re: #79 nearly-headless smith25

Wonder what this could turn into…

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Good Lord, let the oathbreakers cross the line and let them be gathered up into the gentle arms of law enforcement without harm to innocents.

In the name of the king of the universe, we pray, amen.

82 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 7:35:21pm
83 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 7:36:05pm

re: #82 #FergusonFireside

That’s too bad.

84 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 7:38:44pm

re: #79 nearly-headless smith25

Wonder what this could turn into…

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Saw a post this morning that they were basically told to pack it up and get out of town by the Ferguson PD. Wonder if they decided to stay.

85 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 1, 2014 7:41:17pm

re: #82 #FergusonFireside

The Rams apologized to the St. Louis police for their players’ Ferguson protest. Calm, dishonorable, vile submission. t.co

Haven’t heard the players apologize, and I don’t think they will, but, yeah, shitty move by the organization, but what do you expect from a bunch of rich assholes.

86 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 7:44:46pm

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Haven’t heard the players apologize, and I don’t think they will, but, yeah, shitty move by the organization, but what do you expect from a bunch of rich assholes.

Law and Order!!

Fuckers

87 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 1, 2014 7:46:51pm

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Haven’t heard the players apologize, and I don’t think they will, but, yeah, shitty move by the organization, but what do you expect from a bunch of rich assholes.

The players? Just really well paid wage slaves in the end and outside of someone on the level of Arron Rodgers, pretty much replaceable if they cause too much grief.

The owners would only care if it interfered with the billions from TV.

88 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 7:47:13pm

Just caught up on The Walking Dead.

:(

89 Lidane  Dec 1, 2014 7:51:23pm

Someone please explain the difference between what Santorum and the rest of the RWNJs believe and the Iranian mullahs?

90 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2014 7:54:59pm

re: #88 #FergusonFireside

Just caught up on The Walking Dead.

:(

I know, right?

91 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 7:56:44pm

re: #82 #FergusonFireside

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This is going to get interesting.

92 Mattand  Dec 1, 2014 8:01:54pm

re: #89 Lidane

Someone please explain the difference between what Santorum and the rest of the RWNJs believe and the Iranian mullahs?

Santorum wears uglier sweaters.

93 Jenner7  Dec 1, 2014 8:05:04pm

re: #91 Bubblehead II

94 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 8:05:11pm

Those fucking cops!

95 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 8:05:32pm

re: #91 Bubblehead II

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This is going to get interesting.

It’s sounding like a non-apology apology, or some such shit.

96 Mattand  Dec 1, 2014 8:07:35pm

re: #88 #FergusonFireside

Just caught up on The Walking Dead.

:(

re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White

I know, right?

SPOILER AHEAD!!!

Click to Reveal

I get that Beth was changed by her experience at the hospital, but the whole stabby-stab with the scissors just seemed waaaaay out of character.

97 Jenner7  Dec 1, 2014 8:09:14pm

re: #96 Mattand

And stupid.

98 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 1, 2014 8:09:15pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

It’s sounding like a non-apology apology, or some such shit.

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In this case, the non-apology apology is probably the closest thing to a right call for the Rams other than a big FU to the police.

99 Bubblehead II  Dec 1, 2014 8:09:30pm

re: #93 Jenner7

re: #94 #FergusonFireside

re: #95 teleskiguy

Like I said. This might just get interesting. But I need to head for the bath and then the land of nod. See you Lizards tomorrow.

100 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 8:10:34pm
101 sagehen  Dec 1, 2014 8:10:55pm

re: #89 Lidane

Someone please explain the difference between what Santorum and the rest of the RWNJs believe and the Iranian mullahs?

Beards.

102 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 8:11:48pm

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104 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 8:14:43pm
105 #FergusonFireside  Dec 1, 2014 8:20:15pm
106 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 1, 2014 8:23:48pm

re: #105 #FergusonFireside

@TheBSLine: That STL sports bar that’s boycotting Rams’ games? Things just got real on their Yelp page

Unless you have a totally white clientele, this is a good time for a business to STFU.*

* I knew of a bbq joint in South Carolina that had a confederate battle flag on their billboard ads, and I’d imagine most of their clientele was white.

107 nines09  Dec 1, 2014 8:24:17pm

Rick Santorum has always stood for the separation of thoughtful and him. Caring and him. Empathy and him. He would let your wife or girlfriend or daughter die, but his? He’s separate from us. Him and his wife are special. He is a vile petty creature whose very existence depends on the stupidity and pettiness and outright ignorance of others.

108 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 8:28:23pm

OK, my #100 looks how it’s supposed to look.

109 nines09  Dec 1, 2014 8:29:33pm

re: #104 #FergusonFireside

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And the reaction of the “police” is just who they are. Like that attitude? It can shoot people too. Smell that? It’s called a threat. By a cop. With a shield. Armed. On your street. All across this nation.

110 Varek Raith  Dec 1, 2014 8:30:13pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

OK, my #100 looks how it’s supposed to look.

My thoughts exactly.
This is very bad for us all.
XD

111 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 1, 2014 8:49:58pm

re: #110 Varek Raith

Eh, GSC’s have never been a problem for me. But I’ve never been a huge sweets eater.

112 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 1, 2014 8:54:12pm

re: #111 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

Eh, GSC’s have never been a problem for me. But I’ve never been a huge sweets eater.

I call “Dibs” on Rev Arthur’s Cookies.

RBS

113 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 1, 2014 8:57:07pm

re: #112 RealityBasedEbola

I call “Dibs” on Rev Arthur’s Cookies.

RBS

I’d take a vicious babushka pie any day over a cookie :)

114 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 8:58:44pm

Evening, all.

I have the sads because the Austin shooter had indeed moved to the ‘04 a couple of months ago. And he’s a nutjob right-wing Christian Dominionist with Stormfront overtones.

Sigh.

On the other hand, the cop who put him down hit him with a single pistol shot from almost 300 feet. In the heart. The nutjob sowed, and was reaped. In this particular police shooting, justice was served.

115 sagehen  Dec 1, 2014 9:01:30pm

re: #114 austin_blue

The nutjob sowed, and was reaped. In this particular police shooting, justice was served.

As well as marksmanship. Impressive.

116 The War TARDIS  Dec 1, 2014 9:01:34pm

re: #114 austin_blue

I’ve never shot a gun, but a heart shot from 300 feet with a pistol is impressive, right?

117 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 9:02:33pm
118 jaunte  Dec 1, 2014 9:04:15pm

re: #117 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Politicians really need a course in Avoiding Food In Public.

119 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 9:06:05pm

re: #116 The War TARDIS

I’ve never shot a gun, but a heart shot from 300 feet with a pistol is impressive, right?

I used to be pretty good with a pistol back in the day when I was shooting for military proficiency, but I couldn’t hit a ten-foot circle at 300 feet. That shot was freakshow.

120 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 9:07:17pm

re: #118 jaunte

Politicians really need a course in Avoiding Food In Public.

Especially Santorum if it’s a chocolate phallus.

Heh.

121 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 9:08:25pm
122 darthstar  Dec 1, 2014 9:09:47pm

re: #117 Higgs Boson’s Mate

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Ribbed for pleasure, I see.

123 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 9:11:46pm

re: #116 The War TARDIS

I’ve never shot a gun, but a heart shot from 300 feet with a pistol is impressive, right?

Sounds impressive, but anything over 50-60ft with a pistol is going to be aimed at center mass. You don’t snipe with a pistol.

124 darthstar  Dec 1, 2014 9:12:50pm

re: #116 The War TARDIS

I’ve never shot a gun, but a heart shot from 300 feet with a pistol is impressive, right?

Yeah. It’s a really good shot. I watched my brother hit a skunk at 100 yards once with his .357…he’s a very good shot. I missed the fucker six times with my rifle (I’m not as good a shot). This was 30 years ago when I was young and dumb and did these things for entertainment.

125 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 9:16:15pm

re: #123 Kragar

Sounds impressive, but anything over 50-60ft with a pistol is going to be aimed at center mass. You don’t snipe with a pistol.

Exactly. And he pulled, aimed, and fired while holding the leads of two horses in his left hand. When the guy dropped, I am sure the cop looked at him, looked at his gun, and mumbled “Well, fuck ME. I will be dipped in shit.”

126 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 9:23:52pm

re: #125 austin_blue

Exactly. And he pulled, aimed, and fired while holding the leads of two horses in his left hand. When the guy dropped, I am sure the cop looked at him, looked at his gun, and mumbled “Well, fuck ME. I will be dipped in shit.”

Exactly. Any serious pistol shooter will tell you that there are times when you can’t miss and other times when you can’t hit the ground with your hat.

127 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 9:24:29pm

I managed to get expert once with the M-16, was a sharpshooter with rifle and pistol for most of my time in. Got limited mobility with my ankles and getting into the kneeling position according to the shooting guidelines was physically painful for me. Always dropped a bunch of points there.

Now put in the prone position with the rifle at 500 yards and I’d be hitting center mass all day long.

128 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 9:31:42pm

re: #101 sagehen

Beards.

Um….

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129 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 9:32:18pm

“We’re a virus with shoes.”

-Bill Hicks, a dead cynic and poet.

130 TedStriker  Dec 1, 2014 9:45:24pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

“We’re a virus with shoes.”

-Bill Hicks, a dead cynic and poet.

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Good God, that had to have been the bones of thousands upon thousands of bison.

For those who don’t know Hicks, Agent Smith pretty much said the same thing about humanity, with a bit more elaboration and malice, to a captured and drugged Morpheus in The Matrix.

131 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 9:49:11pm

re: #127 Kragar

I managed to get expert once with the M-16, was a sharpshooter with rifle and pistol for most of my time in. Got limited mobility with my ankles and getting into the kneeling position according to the shooting guidelines was physically painful for me. Always dropped a bunch of points there.

Now put in the prone position with the rifle at 500 yards and I’d be hitting center mass all day long.

When we were sitting Nuclear Alert in the AF, our standard offensive sidearm was a Smith .38 Special with a 4” barrel. Our post-strike bases were (mostly) in Iran and Turkey. This was insufficient firepower either to protect the plane or request JP-4 so we could get someplace else to escape post-nuclear hell. So it was an unwritten rule that you could arm up with “off-spec” guns, which were kept on the airplane in hard-shell cases and removed after you got off of Alert.

I had an HK-91 rifle and a Dan Wesson .41 Mag pistol pack. I shot the DW a lot. It had 2”, 4”, 6”, and 8” barrels in heavy vent rib. Even with the 8” barrel, I was hard pressed to get anything near a 10” circle at 150’. Pistols suck at anything but shooting people at close range, and they suck at home defense. Stupid weapons, really.

You want to defend your home? Get a 12-gauge pump loaded up with 4 shot. Knock down the bad guy and don’t kill your next-door neighbor.

132 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 9:52:22pm

I own two rifles and a shotgun. A .22 semi-auto long rifle with three 10-round magazines, a bolt-action .30-06, and a 12-gauge shotgun.

I dislike pistols a great deal, which is why I don’t own one.

133 TedStriker  Dec 1, 2014 9:54:12pm

re: #131 austin_blue

When we were sitting Nuclear Alert in the AF, our standard offensive sidearm was a Smith .38 Special with a 4” barrel. Our post-strike bases were (mostly) in Iran and Turkey. This was insufficient firepower either to protect the plane or request JP-4 so we could get someplace else to escape post-nuclear hell. So it was an unwritten rule that you could arm up with “off-spec” guns, which were kept on the airplane in hard-shell cases and removed and after you got off of Alert.

I had an HK-91 rifle and a Dan Wesson .41 Mag pistol pack. I shot the DW a lot. It had 2”, 4”, 6”, and 8” barrels in heavy vent rib. Even with the 8” barrel, I was hard pressed to get anything near a 10” circle at 150’. Pistols suck at anything but shooting people at close range, and they suck at home defense. Stupid weapons, really.

You want to defend your home? Get a 12-gauge pump loaded up with 4 shot. Knock down the bad gay and don’t kill your next-door neighbor.

re: #132 teleskiguy

I own two rifles and a shotgun. A .22 semi-auto long rifle with three 10-round magazines, a bolt-action 30.06, and a 12-gauge shotgun.

I dislike pistols a great deal, which is why I don’t own one.

Skynyrd said it best about handguns:

Mr. Saturday night special
Got a barrel that’s blue and cold
Ain’t good for nothin’
But put a man six feet in a hole

134 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 9:54:25pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

I own two rifles and a shotgun. A .22 semi-auto long rifle with three 10-round magazines, a bolt-action 30.06, and a 12-gauge shotgun.

I dislike pistols a great deal, which is why I don’t own one.

I guess we know which one is your elk gun.

Elk, yum…

135 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 9:55:25pm

re: #134 austin_blue

I guess we know which one is your elk gun.

Elk, yum…

Yup.

:-D

136 Kragar  Dec 1, 2014 9:58:15pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

I own two rifles and a shotgun. A .22 semi-auto long rifle with three 10-round magazines, a bolt-action 30.06, and a 12-gauge shotgun.

I dislike pistols a great deal, which is why I don’t own one.

I own a 12 gauge and a Ruger .40.

Obviously I must be lying about this though, because liberals are all scared of guns.

137 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 10:00:35pm
138 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 10:05:50pm

re: #136 Kragar

I own a 12 gauge and a Ruger .40.

Obviously I must be lying about this though, because liberals are all scared of guns.

Well, Texas liberals are kind of…odd. And Coloradans, of course. And most all liberals in the…oh, hell, it’s just all bullshit.

Like Teleskiguy, I don’t have a pistol in my home. But that’s a personal preference. Guns are guns. They’re weapons and should treated with respect and secured in a nice gun safe (except for the 870 Wingmaster, which is velcroed behind the headboard).

139 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 10:14:51pm

re: #138 austin_blue

Well, Texas liberals are kind of…odd. And Coloradans, of course. And most all liberals in the…oh, hell, it’s just all bullshit.

Like Teleskiguy, I don’t have a pistol in my home. But that’s a personal preference. Guns are guns. They’re weapons and should treated with respect and secured in a nice gun safe (except for the 870 Wingmaster, which is velcroed behind the headboard).

I hear you on liberals in Texas and Colorado. Funny thing is I consider myself pretty moderate, left-of-center if you’re going to get all nitpicky with it.

My guns are in their carrying cases in my closet, unloaded, pointed up. Yeah I know, they’re not locked away. But there are no children in my home and I don’t exactly live in a high crime area. I can count the murders I can remember with my hands, and that’s a memory going back almost three decades.

140 teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2014 10:25:43pm

Time for bed. Gotta be at the ski shop in the morning.

Nite Lizards.

141 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 1, 2014 10:31:40pm

I’m an old long haired hippy so I don’t keep a family-heirloom (From bootlegging days) 10 gauge Barker side-by-side with the barrels sawed off to 20” for home defense. I likewise don’t use a 10” heavy barrel .44 Magnum Ruger Super Blackhawk for shooting metallic silhouette with handloads.

142 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 10:34:01pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

I hear you on liberals in Texas and Colorado. Funny thing is I consider myself pretty moderate, left-of-center if you’re going to get all nitpicky with it.

My guns are in their carrying cases in my closet, unloaded, pointed up. Yeah I know, they’re not locked away. But there are no children in my home and I don’t exactly live in a high crime area. I can count the murders I can remember with my hands, and that’s a memory going back almost three decades.

Me too. But I live in a more urban environment where nutjobs shoot up Mexican Consulates, Federal Courthouses, and CopShops on very rare occasions. I would hate to have my guns stolen and used to perpetrate such unseemly human acts. So the rifles are in a safe.

And I don’t have any kids in my house, either, unless the neighbor’s kids come over to visit. But I couldn’t live with myself if they got curious. Could they clip up an H&K or a Mosin-Nagant? Probably not, but I have chosen to remove the temptation.

But yeah, it’s nice to live in an area where murders are vanishingly rare and guns are normal. My dad was born and raised in Denver and I know your people, having spent a lot of time west of that town casting flies and skiing sweet powder. Gorgeous country.

143 austin_blue  Dec 1, 2014 10:43:11pm

And it’s time for some kip. Sweet scaly dreams, all.

144 FemNaziBitch  Dec 1, 2014 10:46:59pm

Five laws of library science

These laws are:
Books are for use.
Every reader his [or her] book.
Every book its reader.
Save the time of the reader.
The library is a growing organism.

ICYMI

145 freetoken  Dec 1, 2014 11:00:00pm

MP3 Audio

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 1:49:41am

Rick and his friend Christie O’Donnel are correct in that the words “separation of church and state” do not appear in the Constitution, but there is a clause in the Constitution that calls for it.

And these people are such boneheaded literalists that they cannot be convinced otherwise.

147 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 2:29:29am

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

Five laws of library science

ICYMI

The private sector can do it better!

148 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 3:30:45am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Rick and his friend Christie O’Donnel are correct in that the words “separation of church and state” do not appear in the Constitution, but there is a clause in the Constitution that calls for it.

And these people are such boneheaded literalists that they cannot be convinced otherwise.

It’s the same way Biblical literalists approach that text. All later commentary and critical analysis of the original text (much less alternative translations of the text) are regarded as untrustworthy, even profane. So-called Constitutional originalists similarly ignore all the SCOTUS interpretations and associated constitutional law of the last 200+ years for the same boneheaded reasons.

149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 3:33:56am

re: #148 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s the same way Biblical literalists approach that text. All later commentary and critical analysis of the original text (much less alternative translations of the text) are regarded as untrustworthy, even profane.

I remember when GW Bush expressed his support for posting the Ten Commandments in public buildings. Some journalist (one who obviously had a few sememsters of comparative religions under his belt) asked him “Which translation of the Ten Commandments would you use?”.

To which Dubya replied, “The standard one.” He did not further iterate on it, but I suspect he meant the King James version with all the Thou Shalt Nots in it…

150 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 3:36:16am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I remember when GW Bush expressed his support for posting the Ten Commandments in public buildings. Some journalist (one who obviously had a few sememsters of comparative religions under his belt) asked him “Which translation of the Ten Commandments would you use?”.

To which Dubya replied, “The standard one.” He did not further iterate on it, but I suspect he meant the King James version with all the Thou Shalt Nots in it…

Life was so much easier when all we had was the Latin Vulgate.

//

151 darthstar  Dec 2, 2014 3:37:34am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Rick and his friend Christie O’Donnel are correct in that the words “separation of church and state” do not appear in the Constitution, but there is a clause in the Constitution that calls for it.

And these people are such boneheaded literalists that they cannot be convinced otherwise.

You know what else isn’t in the Constitution? Avocados.

152 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 3:38:09am

re: #151 darthstar

You know what else isn’t in the Constitution? Avocados.

Or Corporate Personhood.

153 darthstar  Dec 2, 2014 3:39:39am

re: #140 teleskiguy

Time for bed. Gotta be at the ski shop in the morning.

Nite Lizards.

Woke up to the sound of pouring rain. We’re expecting a few feet in the Sierras - a good start. Should be where you are by Fri/Sat…enjoy. It’s a wet one.

154 darthstar  Dec 2, 2014 3:40:53am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or Corporate Personhood.

Well, that’s a matter of interpretation is it not?

155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 3:41:14am

Rainy and 35° here on the Rhine, I usually hate that sort of weather and prefer a few degrees colder and snow, am glad, I put off getting my snow tires put on until the last minute.

156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 3:42:10am

re: #154 darthstar

Well, that’s a matter of interpretation is it not?

Corporate Personhood only exists because the government which so many conservatives despise has created the legal framework for it to exist.

157 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 4:00:57am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Corporate Personhood only exists because the government which so many conservatives despise has created the legal framework for it to exist.

They want the government to impose their social agenda on everyone else. Otherwise, their shtick is to chastise the government for interfering with people’s lives and with business.

158 Romantic Heretic  Dec 2, 2014 4:19:46am

re: #130 TedStriker

Good God, that had to have been the bones of thousands upon thousands of bison.

For those who don’t know Hicks, Agent Smith pretty much said the same thing about humanity, with a bit more elaboration and malice, to a captured and drugged Morpheus in The Matrix.

And then Agent Smith became a virus himself.

What you resist you become and all that.

159 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 4:26:36am
160 Romantic Heretic  Dec 2, 2014 4:29:53am

re: #136 Kragar

I own a 12 gauge and a Ruger .40.

Obviously I must be lying about this though, because liberals are all scared of guns.

I would if I could afford them.

On the other hand if I could afford weapons it would be blades of exotic types. Kukris, Shashka and that sort of thing. I fantasize of the day I could afford a Masamune blade, or finding that one that disappeared into the States at the end of WWII, Honjo Masamune.

161 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 4:35:20am

The GOP needs to change their name to hypocrisy:

From thesmokinggun.com: The Republican congressional aide who castigated the Obama daughters for their lack of “class” and dressing as if they were angling for a “spot at a bar” was once arrested for larceny during her own “awful teen years,” court records show.

[…]

Since Lauten was just another teenager caught shoplifting at the mall, it appears unlikely that she was publicly pilloried for her lack of class, nor were her parents criticized as poor role models.

162 Timothy Watson  Dec 2, 2014 4:35:22am

I’ve mentioned before that I’m working on a post-baccalaureate certificate in accounting.

You know, I don’t consider myself to be exceptionally intelligent, but I swear to God, the e-mails that get sent out by students to everyone in the class (I absolutely hate you Blackboard) make me wonder how these students eat without injuring themselves.

163 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 4:39:56am

re: #161 Dr. Matt

The Republican congressional aide who castigated apologized most profusely and from the bottom of her heart for speaking derisively about the Obama daughters now leave the poor woman alone…

164 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 4:42:29am

re: #161 Dr. Matt

The GOP needs to change their name to hypocrisy:

Let she who is without sin cast the first stone.

165 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 4:48:21am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

I’ve mentioned before that I’m working on a post-baccalaureate certificate in accounting.

You know, I don’t consider myself to be exceptionally intelligent, but I swear to God, the e-mails that get sent out by students to everyone in the class (I absolutely hate you Blackboard) make me wonder how these students eat without injuring themselves.

In addition to my clinical and research obligations, I also give up sleep and food to be a “part time” professor. A typical college student today is night-and-day from the typical students 20 years ago. Today, they self-adsorbed, self-inflated, spoiled, and most importantly, they have a sense of entitlement. I’ve had a student walk out of my class because she received a B on a midterm exam. Then, by the end of the semester she asked for a letter of recommendation. I feel your pain…..and, in some cases, for our future (I sound like my parents).

*get off my lawn!!!!*

166 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 4:53:47am

Socrates (allegedly) said:

Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.

Alas, it is a fake quote. quoteinvestigator.com

But I bet Socrates would have said it!!

167 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 4:56:09am

Almost Famous! About time!!!!!

168 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 4:59:57am

re: #167 Dr. Matt

The Wolf of Wall Street was a great movie, but disturbing at the same time. Now, the wolf makes money in Australia giving talks about salesmanship.

I liked American Beauty, but I confess I have not seen Almost Famous.

169 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 5:01:15am

re: #166 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Socrates (allegedly) said:

Alas, it is a fake quote. quoteinvestigator.com

But I bet Socrates would have said it!!

There are lots of quotes, some not fake, going back to The Lament of the Priest of Ptah. You could do a Latin semester on Cicero’s versions.

Re the entitled female student:
60 years ago she wouldn’t be in college.
40 years ago she would quit Anthropology and jump a bus for the Coast.
20 years ago she would just offer a piece of ass for the ‘B’.
Now the prof is part of her student loan enslavement.

Find the optimum generation. Show your work.

170 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 5:06:56am

re: #168 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

The Wolf of Wall Street was a great movie, but disturbing at the same time. Now, the wolf makes money in Australia giving talks about salesmanship.

I liked American Beauty, but I confess I have not seen Almost Famous.

Almost Famous is sort of like a cult-like classic like Office Space. It didn’t make much noise at the box office, received good reviews, and then picked up a lot of steam as a rental. It’s really, really well done (Crowe produced it) and is loaded with a lot of whos who, Kate Hudson, Zooey Deschanel, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jimmy Fallon, etc, etc

171 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 5:11:14am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

There are lots of quotes, some not fake, going back to The Lament of the Priest of Ptah. You could do a Latin semester on Cicero’s versions.

Re the entitled female student:
60 years ago she wouldn’t be in college.
40 years ago she would quit Anthropology and jump a bus for the Coast.
20 years ago she would just offer a piece of ass for the ‘B’.
Now the prof is part of her student loan enslavement.

Find the optimum generation. Show your work.

Maybe 20 or so years ago, when I was teaching at a private high school, I had a sit-down with the parents of one of my students and the dean of students. I had given the dear girl a B in Physics, which horrified her mother (known as a fruitcake among the teachers) who insisted it was impossible her little darling could ever receive anything less than an A. She had always gotten A’s in science in middle school, and mother insisted there must be some mistake. I said, “No mistake. Sorry.” Darling Girl’s mother was not mollified, but her father accepted her fate, and the dean of students backed me up. The girl for her part was suitably embarrassed.

But other kids are completely convinced they are brainiacs, whether they do the work or not. The concept of showing some proof of their supposed mastery seems to have eluded them, somehow.

172 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 5:11:53am
173 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 5:12:02am

It was very weird seeing Phillip Seymour Hoffman in Hunger Games: Catching Fire.

What do they do with his character in the third movie?

174 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 5:12:20am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Almost Famous is sort of like a cult-like classic like Office Space. It didn’t make much noise at the box office, received good reviews, and then picked up a lot of steam as a rental. It’s really, really well done (Crowe produced it) and is loaded with a lot of whos who, Kate Hudson, Zooey Deschanel, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jimmy Fallon, etc, etc

Thanks for the tip. I’ll see if I can find it.

175 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 5:12:48am

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Could be worse. You could have been one of CCJ’s profs at Claremont.

176 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 5:15:10am

re: #172 Dr. Matt

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Jonathon who?

177 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 5:16:57am

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Could be worse. You could have been one of CCJ’s profs at Claremont.

He would not have survived my classes if he had tried to pull the BS he puts on Twitter, especially if I had been teaching him writing or journalism. Self-important, entitled little twit.

I reckon he would have avoided physics. I don’t think science is his strong suit.

178 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 2, 2014 5:16:58am
179 Alyosha  Dec 2, 2014 5:20:59am

re: #166 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Socrates (allegedly) said:

Alas, it is a fake quote. quoteinvestigator.com

But I bet Socrates would have said it!!

Not sure how the Athenians were on filial piety (often I hear Socrates compared with Confucius) but I’d like to think that the man sentenced to death for the ‘corruption of youth’ at least earned the scorn of many an ignorant parent AND out-of-their-depth teacher.

Edited

180 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 5:23:18am

re: #179 Alyosha

Not sure how the Athenians were on filial piety (often I hear Socrates compared with Confucius) …snip

You definitely weren’t supposed to kill your father and marry your mother.

181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 5:23:29am

re: #179 Alyosha

Not sure how the Athenians were on filial piety (often I hear Socrates compared with Confucius) but I’d like to think that the man sentenced to death for the ‘corruption of youth’ at least earned the scorn of many an ignorant parent.

Socrates was the Common Core of ancient Athens.

182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 5:24:30am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

You definitely weren’t supposed to kill your father and marry your mother.

well, at least not get caught doing it…

183 Alyosha  Dec 2, 2014 5:25:18am

re: #181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Socrates was the Common Core of ancient Athens.

So it’s all mumbo jumbo brainwashing gumbo?

184 Alyosha  Dec 2, 2014 5:27:40am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

You definitely weren’t supposed to kill your father and marry your mother.

Ironically, those most apt to practise the tragedies of Oedipus have never heard of him.

185 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 5:29:01am

re: #184 Alyosha

Ironically, those most apt to practise the tragedies if Oedipus have never heard of him.

Collonus was sort of the Wheeling of ancient Greece.

186 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 5:30:18am

re: #183 Alyosha

So it’s all mumbo jumbo brainwashing gumbo?

That’s what they said back then.

187 Flounder  Dec 2, 2014 5:31:23am

re: #179 Alyosha

I learned about So-crates and many other famous people in history from Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure, so I am an expert.

188 Alyosha  Dec 2, 2014 5:32:39am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Collonus was sort of the Wheeling of ancient Greece.

It is at this point that I must upding solely out of respect. Dennis Miller has nothing on that sort of reference.

189 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 5:32:40am

re: #186 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

That’s what they said back then.

and “Bottoms up!!”

190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 5:32:43am

re: #187 Flounder

I learned about So-crates and many other famous people in history from Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure, so I am an expert.

Then you are better educated than a lot of college students nowadays.

191 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 5:32:59am

re: #183 Alyosha

So it’s all mumbo jumbo brainwashing gumbo?

Socrates big mistake was telling his students to question everything, including authority and even Socrates himself. Then as now, questioning authority was a dangerous game.

192 Alyosha  Dec 2, 2014 5:35:52am

re: #191 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Socrates big mistake was telling his students to question everything, including authority and even Socrates himself. Then as now, questioning authority was a dangerous game.

But I suppose it’s the method of questioning that tells. The questioner in so many cases these days already has an ulterior motive, an unassailable presupposition. They have not yet gauged their ignorance accurately.

193 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 5:38:53am

re: #187 Flounder

I learned about So-crates and many other famous people in history from Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure, so I am an expert.

“Be excellent to each other.”

194 Alyosha  Dec 2, 2014 5:42:48am

It is the misfortune of my position on the globe that I must bow out. I blossom for but a short time.

Laterz

195 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 5:45:12am

My position makes me a night-blossoming species for most, I usually get on about the time the thread falls asleep

196 Timothy Watson  Dec 2, 2014 5:46:08am

re: #165 Dr. Matt

For me, it’s really alarming that someone who’s in an intro to accounting class (meaning they’re probably either an accounting, business, or marketing major) can’t figure how to calculate what their grade is a week from the final.

When I was doing my bachelor’s degree (criminal justice major), I kept an Excel spreadsheet with grades for each class and used Solver to do what-if scenarios (e.g., what grade do I need to get on this final to get an A in the class).

197 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 5:50:14am

Bought MOAR PRESENTS for my grandkids this morning.

Fortunately my oldest daughter is a no-nonsense type who asked for arts & crafts supplies and science toys for her kids AND NONE OF THAT BRANDED “FROZEN” SHIT

198 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 5:51:06am

re: #196 Timothy Watson

For me, it’s really alarming that someone who’s in an intro to accounting class (meaning they’re probably either an accounting, business, or marketing major) can’t figure how to calculate what their grade is a week from the final.

When I was doing my bachelor’s degree (criminal justice major), I kept an Excel spreadsheet with grades for each class and used Solver to do what-if scenarios (e.g., what grade do I need to get on this final to get an A in the class).

I had a slide rule and a Parker pen—the new kind with the cartridge ink reservoir.

199 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 5:51:39am

re: #197 The Vicious Fergushka

Bought MOAR PRESENTS for my grandkids this morning.

Fortunately my oldest daughter is a no-nonsense type who asked for arts & crafts supplies and science toys for her kids AND NONE OF THAT BRANDED “FROZEN” SHIT

I take it “Let It Go” is verboten in her household playlists.

200 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 5:52:18am

re: #199 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I take it “Let It Go” is verboten in her household playlists.

They don’t have a TV.

201 Franklin  Dec 2, 2014 5:54:56am
202 Franklin  Dec 2, 2014 5:56:49am
203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 6:01:03am

re: #202 Franklin

bar is boycotting #Rams games now. Yelp goes in on them

People who do not understand Freedom of Speech or the Free Market always seem surprised when these things manifest themselves in daily life.

204 Lidane  Dec 2, 2014 6:01:16am

re: #202 Franklin

The most amusing thing in all this is that the bellyaching and threats to boycott only hurts St. Louis more than it does the Rams. The team has the option to break their lease and leave at the end of the season. They can go to Los Angeles free and clear and make more money in the long run.

$$$ lost by STL in tourism & shopping if the Rams leave > $$$ lost by the Rams if a few disgruntled bigots boycott the team because some players had an opinion on Ferguson.

205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 6:04:51am

We are forgetting that Sports occupy a special place in a lot of people’s Vision of America. Anything that seems to tarnish the image of sports is seen as un-American.

Never mind that these are simply professional franchises out to maximize profits, they also feed of that very iconography to justify public funding for stadiums and the maintenance of a taxpayer and student-subsidized training system in the form of collegiate sports programs.

206 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 2, 2014 6:06:59am

re: #200 The Vicious Fergushka

They don’t have a TV.

.
That’s hardcore. Her kids will be the odd ones out in college, I think.

207 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 6:07:35am

re: #201 Franklin

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Of course, if you go to the account which is supposedly being quoted, the quoted passage does not appear.

208 Franklin  Dec 2, 2014 6:09:03am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Of course, if you go to the account which is supposedly being quoted, the quoted passage does not appear.

I noticed that as well. Perhaps it was a phone call?

209 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 6:09:13am

re: #173 The Vicious Fergushka

He died with about a week left in filming the last two films (Mockingjay the book was split in two). All of the scenes were in the can for Part 1, and it looks like there was just one scene that he had to have filmed before he died in the 2d of the films. They’ve reworked that Part 2 scene to address his death.

It’s such a shame that he died; he was a tremendous talent, and it’s amazing that he’s the same guy who played Dusty in Twister and Scotty in Boogie Nights, and then went on to play Capote.

210 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 6:10:01am

re: #208 Franklin

I noticed that as well. Perhaps it was a phone call?

Considering the fellow supposedly being quoted has denied saying such, what we have is the guys bullshitting us are now trying to argue the very definition of the words used in their bullshit.

211 Franklin  Dec 2, 2014 6:10:13am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Of course, if you go to the account which is supposedly being quoted, the quoted passage does not appear.

212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 6:12:47am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Of course, if you go to the account which is supposedly being quoted, the quoted passage does not appear.

Gosh, what would happen to the quality of news in our country if journalists started taking that approach to reporting?

/

213 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 6:13:19am

re: #211 Franklin

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Yeah, the desperation is thick in that post. They tried to claim some false victory by saying the Rams management apologized, but when called on it, fell back to “Well, we choose to see it as an apology!”

214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 6:15:27am

re: #213 Targetpractice

Yeah, the desperation is thick in that post. They tried to claim some false victory by saying the Rams management apologized, but when called on it, fell back to “Well, we choose to see it as an apology!”

Well, “Fuck You” does sound a bit like “Uncle”…

215 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 6:19:57am

The read through that FB post’s comments is stunning in the contrast. On one side you have folks who are supporting the players for their expression, calling the cops childish and stupid for demanding an apology, and supporting the team for not kowtowing to the STLCPD’s demands.

The other side? They could be best summarized as “THOSE UPPITY NI-CLANGS NEED TO BE PUT IN THEIR PLACE!!!”

216 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 6:33:04am

The thread’s dead, Jim.

217 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 6:40:22am

re: #206 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

.
That’s hardcore. Her kids will be the odd ones out in college, I think.

We did not have a TV when our kids were growing up. They watched at a neighbor’s or a friend’s or at Grandma’s but it wasn’t the always-on thing and they didn’t get hooked on favorite shows or demand shit they saw on commercials.

But they were the first ones to get Internet.

218 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 6:40:46am

re: #211 Franklin

The STL County PD is the same department that had no problem violating the civil rights of protesters, whether it was the bogus 5 second move rule or detaining and arresting protesters or journalists who were doing nothing illegal other than being present in the wrong place at the wrong time.

219 Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2014 6:41:04am

So, the Czech Republic is pretty much paralyzed owing to an ice storm which blew the country yesterday and today.

ceskenoviny.cz

Still slippery out there as well.

220 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 6:41:59am

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

So, the Czech Republic is pretty much paralyzed owing to an ice storm which blew the country yesterday and today.

ceskenoviny.cz

Still slippery out there as well.

I am glad it is still above freezing here on the Rhine, I am getting my tires and oil changed on Thursday…

221 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 2, 2014 6:42:03am

re: #216 Targetpractice

Good morning from SoCal. Here comes the wet.

Mild El Nino
222 makeitstop  Dec 2, 2014 6:43:05am

x>re: #211 Franklin

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The comments on that post are insane.

All those white people. All those hurt fee-fees. All that entitlement.

And if the Rams leave for LA - all those vanished dollars and jobs.

Entitled white folks, cutting off their noses.

223 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 6:45:27am

re: #222 makeitstop

x>

The comments on that post are insane.

All those white people. All those hurt fee-fees. All that entitlement.

And if the Rams leave for LA - all those vanished dollars and jobs.

Entitled white folks, cutting off their noses.

Yeah, it’s absolutely hilarious to hear the white folks scream “I’ll never go see another game! We’ll see how long you last without the fans!,” totally ignoring the number of franchises that have moved for similar reasons.

224 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 6:47:39am

The STL PD thinks that a display of solidarity with the community by a group of football players is incitement? It’s free speech, and it’s enshrined in the 1st Amendment.

It further goes to the mindset of the police departments in the STL area. They still don’t get it - they are the problem. It isn’t just excessive force issues. It isn’t just officer involved shootings.

It’s the entire way that they’ve conducted themselves and the scrutiny received shows all their shortcomings.

They want to pass off the problems as being the community or incitement by rabble rousers all while their own officers continue to behave inappropriately.

The NYPD has plenty of problems of its own, facing a series of officer-involved shootings and deaths involving excessive force, but the police is trying to mitigate and reduce tensions by holding meetings with community leaders before the grand jury releases their results. They are at least trying to improve community policing and working with the community, instead of the stand-offish way that they are doing things in STL.

It’s a far better approach, and while it doesn’t eliminate the tensions or the underlying problems, it does help to have the community working with police to improve matters. The NYPD has been letting protests continue without heavy handed riot gear cops going nuts. Sure, there have been arrests, but they’ve been the civil disobedience type of crimes - resisting arrest and disorderly conduct for lying/sitting in streets blocking traffic. They aren’t for assault or property damage. They’re arrests for a cause, not for doing damage to person or property.

225 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 6:49:56am

re: #224 lawhawk

I also read a response telling those Rams players to quit their jobs with the NFL if they want to start making political statements.

Has anyone demanded that of Bryan Fischer or Pat Roberts?

226 KerFuFFler  Dec 2, 2014 6:55:27am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I reckon he would have avoided physics. I don’t think science is his strong suit.

But he built model rockets when he was a kid!!11!

227 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 2, 2014 6:57:57am

A quick question: do we know with any certainty how many feet were there between Wilson and Brown when the former made the last, fatal barrage of shots?

228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 6:58:54am

re: #227 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

A quick question: do we know with any certainty how many feet were there between Wilson and Brown when the former made the last, fatal barrage of shots?

No, and that’s the point. We will never know because the FPD made a conscious effort to suppress evidence.

229 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 7:04:08am

re: #224 lawhawk

The whole incident really does put on stark display the mentality that led to Brown’s death, that any display of disrespect or disobedience towards cops won’t be tolerated. Wilson made it a point during his testimony to say that he hated the neighborhood where the shooting happened because it’s “anti-cop.” In his mind, and I suspect in the minds of many others in St Louis county’s law enforcement community, there’s no connection between their rampant abuse of authority to fill the county’s coffers and the attitude the locals show towards them.

230 Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2014 7:06:08am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Here’s a photogallery from Ostrava.

moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

This is apparently the worst ice storm to hit the Czech Republic since sometime in the 1970s, according to a few old-timers I’ve talked to here. Personally, I’ve never seen freezing rain in the 14 years I’ve lived here.

231 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 7:07:08am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yup, and that goes to the “standing over” Brown statements made by witnesses. What constitutes standing over? That Wilson was a few feet from Brown? 10 feet? Directly over with his gun and firing?

We don’t have that information because the police never committed any of that to an incident report. The medical examiner didn’t photograph the scene nor do any of the things we’d normally associate with what an ME or CSI would do at the scene because it was a cop involved shooting, and they work off the premise that it was justified.

So, if we want to begin to change the mindset of cops and courts, then we have to start there - the investigators need to look at officer involved shootings in the same way that all crimes are investigated - that everyone’s actions need to be investigated to make sure that they were acting within the law.

It may turn out that a shooting was justified, but it shouldn’t be assumed that just because the shooter was a cop that it is automatically a justified homicide.

232 No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2014 7:08:41am

You know someone has fallen off the map when they call the Democrats the far-left. It shows complete brainwashing by right wing extremist media.

233 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 7:09:30am

This is the most sickening Tweet about Sasha & Malia that you will see all day.

Not embedded for a reason. Click at your own risk.

GOOD NEWS: That Twitter account has been suspended (for now).

234 Franklin  Dec 2, 2014 7:11:51am
235 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 7:13:03am

re: #231 lawhawk

The lack of accountability is systemic, with investigators not taking things seriously in a cop-involved shooting because everybody further up the food chain either doesn’t make them accountable or would rather nobody was held accountable. Even if the investigators in this case had been thorough with their evidence collection and following regulations to the letter, we’re still reliant on a very pro-cop prosecutor wanting such cases to go to trial.

236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 7:19:59am

re: #235 Targetpractice

The lack of accountability is systemic

But O’Reilly thinks that blacks are too stupid to understand such nuances, and it is just rage and hatred that motivates their protests…

237 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 7:25:56am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But O’Reilly thinks that blacks are too stupid to understand such nuances, and it is just rage and hatred that motivates their protests…

O’Reilly’s an authoritarian, like many of his breed are. It’s for guys like him that the Ferguson PD made it a point to release the robbery footage, to give them something to hide behind. You notice how quickly all those words about “militarization” of the police and concern about police brutality from wingnuts died off as soon as that video became public knowledge?

238 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 7:27:58am

re: #237 Targetpractice

And in the end, we wind up knowing more about an unrelated event than the shooting itself.

239 walkingdeadhead  Dec 2, 2014 7:28:48am

I would love to see five white Rams players come out next week with a “Pant Up, Don’t Loot!” protest, but I won’t hold my breath.

It is impossible to exercise all of our rights at the same time. These 5 players have the right to play in the NFL, if they are good enough. They have the right to free speech. That doesn’t mean , on game day, in NFL uniforms, they can simultaneously exercise both necessarily. The league and the team’s owners have rights too, and that would include not wanting employees to alienate a majority of their fans/customers.

They used the stage built by the NFL over many decades for their speech. They have no inherent right to do that. They have no inherent right to “be heard.”

240 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 7:31:19am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And in the end, we wind up knowing more about an unrelated event than the shooting itself.

That’s because, from the moment that video was released, the trial of Michael Brown began. It ended with a grand jury deciding, no matter how questionable or unlawful Wilson’s actions might be, Brown was guilty of not being sympathetic enough.

241 makeitstop  Dec 2, 2014 7:33:05am

The owner had no problem with it. The league had no problem with it.

Only people who want to bitch about having attention called to the issue have a problem with it - like the St. Lou PD, and people who want to bitch about things in blog comments.

242 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 7:36:21am

re: #239 walkingdeadhead

I would love to see five white Rams players come out next week with a “Pant Up, Don’t Loot!” protest, but I won’t hold my breath.

It is impossible to exercise all of our rights at the same time. These 5 players have the right to play in the NFL, if they are good enough. They have the right to free speech. That doesn’t mean , on game day, in NFL uniforms, they can simultaneously exercise both necessarily. The league and the team’s owners have rights too, and that would include not wanting employees to alienate a majority of their fans/customers.

They used the stage built by the NFL over many decades for their speech. They have no inherent right to do that. They have no inherent right to “be heard.”

Yes, five players used the stage built upon wife beating, drug using, animal abuse, and murder to show public solidarity with peaceful protestors. My God, however will the league survive?

////

243 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 7:36:45am

A local St. Louis bar’s announcement that it would no longer support the Rams following the silent protest of several players on Sunday has gained national attention.

The bar is quick to claim that it’s not racism. Or that it isn’t about denying the players free speech.

Except that it is.

What happens when the Chiefs show solidarity with Ferguson protesters too? As have players and people from around the state, country, and world, with peaceful protests?

For all the talk about destroying the community (which consists of several buildings and businesses damaged, with hundreds more still intact and operating in Ferguson and surrounding areas), it all starts with a cop shooting an unarmed black man. That’s the act of violence that is still unaddressed by so many. Right wingers simply ignore all the evidence that this was an unjustified shooting and exonerate the cop even though there’s so many inconsistencies in his statements, that you could drive a planet through. They also ignore that the riots were incited in part by an overzealous police department that is still clueless on how to engage in community policing and engage the community still reeling from the fact that the police treat the community as an enemy instead of a partner.

244 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 7:37:34am

re: #241 makeitstop

The owner had no problem with it. The league had no problem with it.

Only people who want to bitch about having attention called to the issue have a problem with it - like the St. Lou PD, and people who want to bitch about things in blog comments.

It is a matter of faith that these players were offending God by not just doing their jobs and getting out there and receiving some solid concussions for our entertainment.

245 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 7:38:34am

re: #243 lawhawk

St. Louis bar boycotts Rams after players support Ferguson protests

Repeat from upthread: people who understand neither Free Speech nor the Free Market seem very taken aback when they see them manifest in daily life.

246 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 7:41:34am

re: #239 walkingdeadhead

The team supports the players. The league wont suspend or fine the players. The league, which is notorious for being tone deaf on everything from domestic abuse to traumatic brain injuries, realized that these players are showing solidarity with the very community they play for. It’s a broken clock time for the league.

And those players are hardly alone.

68% of the NFL is African American. There’s a lot of players across the league who understand what’s going on.

The league also realizes that if they took action against those players for what’s an innocuous “protest” of hands up, they’d face a backlash among their players, and it would be a bigger problem.

That you’re trying to make the players out to have done something wrong here speaks volumes.

247 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 7:42:13am

WTFITS

248 iossarian  Dec 2, 2014 7:46:55am

re: #239 walkingdeadhead

I would love to see five white Rams players come out next week with a “Pant Up, Don’t Loot!” protest, but I won’t hold my breath.

I work at a university. Every so often, first year students write op-eds in the student papers in which they ruminate on the unfairness of there being a black student organization but no white student organization.

Over time, however, they figure it out. Because they are mostly pretty smart, and are at a university.

249 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 7:52:10am

Will the last one to leave Detroit please turn out the lights
NO WAIT THAT’S A JOKE!!!!

250 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 7:53:28am

Wayne County jail?

251 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 7:55:50am

Lights out at Joe Louis Arena. Red Wings hockey practice cancelled.

Must be terrorist Canadians.

252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 7:56:37am

re: #251 The Vicious Fergushka

Must be terrorist Canadians.

a tautology

253 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 7:56:41am

re: #239 walkingdeadhead

I would love to see five white Rams players come out next week with a “Pant Up, Don’t Loot!” protest, but I won’t hold my breath.

Why would you “love to see” that? Because you’re a desperate little asshole looking to stir the pot? “Excuse my French”, but go fuck yourself. On second thought, don’t excuse my French. And, if you want hold your breath, please do. You won’t be missed.

254 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2014 7:58:22am
A listener on the call told Santorum that “a number of the things that the far left, a.k.a. the Democrat [sic] Party, and the president is pushing for and accomplishing actually accomplishes a number of the tenets of ‘The Communist Manifesto,’ including the amnesty, the elevation of pornography, homosexuality, gay marriage, voter fraud, open borders, mass self-importation of illegal immigrants and things of that nature.”

I might not ever recover the brain cells expunged after reading that piece of derp.

Although I must say my favorite section of The Communist Manifesto was the one on elevating pornography, homosexuality and gay marriage. Very well written. //

255 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 7:58:25am

re: #239 walkingdeadhead

Maybe you can explain why right-wingers make fun of Black kids for wearing saggy pants, and then also make fun of Obama for wearing “Mom jeans”

256 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2014 8:00:20am

-1000 karma close at hand…

257 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 8:00:51am

That’s Rep. Yvette Clarke from NY-9 (D).

258 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2014 8:02:46am

re:
#247

Every single leftie crying about sexualizing Malia Obama would have no problem giving birth control to a 13 year old.

OFFS. Somebody needs a class on “These things are the same, these things are not.”

259 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2014 8:03:42am

re:
#257

“Hands up, don’t shoot” on House floor last night,

This will take up all of Rush’s show today….

260 dholmes32  Dec 2, 2014 8:03:52am

Jesus, save us from your professional followers.

261 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 8:07:27am

re: #258 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#247

OFFS. Somebody needs a class on “These things are the same, these things are not.”

Wingnuts are making all kinds of false equivalence memes about how Malia & Sasha rolling their eyes at the turkey pardon is JUST EXACTLY LITERALLY TEH SAME!!!!!11!! as Bristol Palin throwing punches in a drunken free-for-all or the Bush twins falling down drunk & flashing crotch.

262 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 8:09:48am

Countdown to Chucky declaring he’s got the info that will totally sink Carter’s nomination begins…now.

263 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 8:18:51am

re: #131 austin_blue

When we were sitting Nuclear Alert in the AF, our standard offensive sidearm was a Smith .38 Special with a 4” barrel. Our post-strike bases were (mostly) in Iran and Turkey. This was insufficient firepower either to protect the plane or request JP-4 so we could get someplace else to escape post-nuclear hell. So it was an unwritten rule that you could arm up with “off-spec” guns, which were kept on the airplane in hard-shell cases and removed after you got off of Alert.

I had an HK-91 rifle and a Dan Wesson .41 Mag pistol pack. I shot the DW a lot. It had 2”, 4”, 6”, and 8” barrels in heavy vent rib. Even with the 8” barrel, I was hard pressed to get anything near a 10” circle at 150’. Pistols suck at anything but shooting people at close range, and they suck at home defense. Stupid weapons, really.

You want to defend your home? Get a 12-gauge pump loaded up with 4 shot. Knock down the bad guy and don’t kill your next-door neighbor.

And just about everyone knows the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round. Which indicates that someone means business.

264 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 8:24:03am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Collonus was sort of the Wheeling of ancient Greece.

Washington slept there?
;P

265 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 8:26:13am

re: #262 Targetpractice

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Countdown to Chucky declaring he’s got the info that will totally sink Carter’s nomination begins…now.

His crack team is combing through DMV records as we speak.

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 8:26:16am

re: #197 The Vicious Fergushka

Bought MOAR PRESENTS for my grandkids this morning.

Fortunately my oldest daughter is a no-nonsense type who asked for arts & crafts supplies and science toys for her kids AND NONE OF THAT BRANDED “FROZEN” SHIT

I was wandering Think Geek site and found cookie cutters for making 3-D dinosaur cookies*. Immediate order for my geology-teaching brother (who does make X-mas cookies.)

* - You use the cutters to make multiple parts and then assemble them. A bit like the wooden “animal skeleton” sculptures.

267 Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2014 8:26:58am
268 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 8:29:26am

re: #264 Feline Fearless Leader

Washington slept there?
;P

Apparently he was too busy sleeping at every wide spot in the road in colonial America.

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 8:37:04am

re: #224 lawhawk

The St Louis police think the problem is with the citizens of St Louis, especially the colored ones.

Therefore, no need to rethink approaches and whether they might be doing things wrong.

270 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 8:40:47am

re: #269 Feline Fearless Leader

The St Louis police think the problem is with the citizens of St Louis, especially the colored ones.

Therefore, no need to rethink approaches and whether they might be doing things wrong.

Black people learn not to walk around in hoodies, with their hands in their pockets, walk on streets, walk around with hands in the air…in general, just stay home…

…AND GET A JOB!!!

271 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 8:42:48am

re: #268 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Apparently he was too busy sleeping at every wide spot in the road in colonial America.

Washington actually had solid connections with that general area in his younger days. Did surveying and was part of some land purchases in that area of what was then still the Virginia colony.*

* - Viriginia at one time I believe claiming the whole swath of land west of their current enclave and thus including Kentucky and chunks of what became a number of states. Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Virginia all had a number of border disputes going. The Mason-Dixon Line settling one of them. (And also you get that odd Delaware circular boundary from that stuff as well.)

272 The Dude Abides  Dec 2, 2014 8:42:58am

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

So, the Czech Republic is pretty much paralyzed owing to an ice storm which blew the country yesterday and today.

I hope the country tipped the ice storm well.
//

273 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 8:48:13am

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Washington actually had solid connections with that general area in his younger days. Did surveying and was part of some land purchases in that area of what was then still the Virginia colony.*

* - Viriginia at one time I believe claiming the whole swath of land west of their current enclave and thus including Kentucky and chunks of what became a number of states. Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Virginia all had a number of border disputes going. The Mason-Dixon Line settling one of them. (And also you get that odd Delaware circular boundary from that stuff as well.)

The history of that place is fascinating what with the British trying their best to halt westward expansion overlaid by France’s attempt to establish its own presence on the continent. Anent to nothing, I am in my lost-count-of-them re-reading of Pynchon’s Mason & Dixon. Of all of his novels that one remains my favorite.

274 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 8:58:59am
275 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 9:01:59am

re: #274 lawhawk

Good grief. There are invertebrates with more self-awareness than GG.

276 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:02:36am
277 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 9:04:43am

Well, that escalated quickly!!!

Ynet: Netanyahu fires senior ministers Lapid, Livni

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided Tuesday to fire Yesh Atid leader Finance Minister Yair Lapid and Hatnua leader Justice Minister Tzipi Livni.

Netanyahu instructed Cabinet Secretary Avichai Mandelblit on Tuesday evening to issue termination letters to the two senior ministers, citing constant criticism aimed at him and his government from both Livni and Lapid.

“In recent weeks, including the last 24 hours, Ministers Lapid and Livni harshly attacked the government I’m heading. I won’t tolerate any more opposition within the government, I won’t tolerate ministers attacking from within the government the government’s policies and its leader,” Netanyahu said.

In short: Israeli government is going to be dissolved, and the country will be heading to elections real soon

278 Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 2, 2014 9:06:13am

re: #248 iossarian

Every so often, first year students write op-eds in the student papers in which they ruminate on the unfairness of there being a black student organization but no white student organization.

Over time, however, they figure it out. Because they are mostly pretty smart, and are at a university.

I went to an inner city school that was less than 5% white, and I too lamented the fact that my senior year, everyone around me received scholarships offered only to minority students and were ALSO eligible to apply for the same scholastic scholarships I was. Then I went to college, and I figured it out.

279 Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2014 9:07:00am

re: #262 Targetpractice

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Countdown to Chucky declaring he’s got the info that will totally sink Carter’s nomination begins…now.

I’m betting he get him mixed up with Ashton Kutcher.

280 calochortus  Dec 2, 2014 9:09:42am

re: #266 Feline Fearless Leader

I was wandering Think Geek site and found cookie cutters for making 3-D dinosaur cookies*. Immediate order for my geology-teaching brother (who does make X-mas cookies.)

* - You use the cutters to make multiple parts and then assemble them. A bit like the wooden “animal skeleton” sculptures.

Thanks for reminding me of Think Geek (maybe) I wandered over to look for something for my son-in-law and saw the digital protractor. Never mind the son-in-law, how cool is that? Could I actually be a geek disguised as an older woman?

281 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:10:19am

All right srsly what the fuck is going on in Detroit?
Downtown to New Center is a huge fucking area.

282 [deleted]  Dec 2, 2014 9:10:34am
283 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2014 9:10:37am

re:
#279

Why is Obama nominating an actor with no military or government experience to be Defense Secretary? Why is the media avoiding this story? Donate to GoatNews and I’ll be able to expose this corruption and get Obama impeached!

284 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2014 9:11:28am

Oh somebody likes us a lot.

285 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 9:11:33am

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Washington actually had solid connections with that general area in his younger days. Did surveying and was part of some land purchases in that area of what was then still the Virginia colony.*

* - Viriginia at one time I believe claiming the whole swath of land west of their current enclave and thus including Kentucky and chunks of what became a number of states. Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Virginia all had a number of border disputes going. The Mason-Dixon Line settling one of them. (And also you get that odd Delaware circular boundary from that stuff as well.)

He spent a good bit of time around present Pittsburgh, ordered the building of the only remaining building from Fort Pitt. He was budds with Alexander McKee, who led the Ohio tribes on Loyalist raids, and wound up as a semi-famous Canadian.

286 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:12:19am

re: #282 walkingdeadhead

It’s like impossible that there could be more than one guy named “Michael Brown” it’s such an unusual ethnic name.

287 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 9:13:00am

re: #276 The Vicious Fergushka

That joke was side-splitting when it was about Lincoln, Mary Todd, and Williams Butler on a sailing ship. The jokes remain the same as the names are changed.

288 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 9:14:30am

re: #286 The Vicious Fergushka

It’s like impossible that there could be more than one guy named “Michael Brown” it’s such an unusual ethnic name.

It’s bullshit, and not the innocent-ignorant kind.

289 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 9:14:45am

re: #277 Archangelus

Elections were coming the moment the coalition govt fell apart. This is just the icing on the cake.

Likud and Yisrael Beitenu are likely to continue their alliance, which means that they’ve got about 30 seats between them. Lapid’s Yesh Atid has 19 seats - the same as Likud proper, which means that Lapid’s going to need to do more than just get 19 seats or match Likud’s seat take. He’s going to have to form alliances of his own to get more seats behind him ahead of the election or else Likud will be back in the driver’s seat to form a new government.

That said, if the election is anything like the last one, then the deck chairs will be rearranged, and the same parties will be fighting with the same number of seats, meaning more of the same. Likud formed a coalition govt with Yesh Atid the last time. Likud could fill that void with other parties, particularly the religious ones that it didn’t include previously. There was a reason it left those parties out before.

Lapid is more likely to bring Labor into the government, but it will need to address the religious parties as well in some fashion, particularly after the military exemptions were modified for religious Jews.

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 9:14:57am

re: #280 calochortus

Thanks for reminding me of Think Geek (maybe) I wandered over to look for something for my son-in-law and saw the digital protractor. Never mind the son-in-law, how cool is that? Could I actually be a geek disguised as an older woman?

Geekiness is a spectrum I think… or maybe just an all-or-nothing thing and you’re already over the line!
;)

291 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:14:57am

Every fire station in Detroit is without power

292 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 9:15:33am

re: #281 The Vicious Fergushka

Cause of massive #Detroit power outage still yet to be determined

Detroit didn’t pay its bill again?

293 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 9:16:50am

re: #292 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Youtube Video

294 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:20:44am

re: #292 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Detroit didn’t pay its bill again?

Or maybe it’s a heist of MGM Grand, Motor City and Greektown casinos?

295 CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2014 9:21:15am

OT - I can’t stay, but I wanted to drop this off:

They’re supposed to make an announcement today about the changes, “which will be gradually introduced this month”. I’m not sure how much good it will do if they just suspend abusers for a short time and then let them come back and continue their bad behavior.

I don’t imagine much will change unless their bottom line is negatively affected and shareholders & advertisers start having fits.

296 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:21:17am

Ocean’s Fourteen: The Motor City Caper

297 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 9:21:31am

re: #294 The Vicious Fergushka

Or maybe it’s a heist of MGM Grand, Motor City and Greektown casinos?

Better do a thorough search of all the garbage trucks!
;)

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 9:23:00am

re: #291 The Vicious Fergushka

299 calochortus  Dec 2, 2014 9:24:03am

re: #290 Feline Fearless Leader

Geekiness is a spectrum I think… or maybe just an all-or-nothing thing and you’re already over the line!
;)

Actually, it’s tools. I love tools. (No, not the human kind-real tools.)

300 #FergusonFireside  Dec 2, 2014 9:25:55am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No internet. This is the test of the American populace.

301 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:26:00am
302 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 9:26:07am

re: #293 lawhawk

I joke, but I do find the decline of the city of Detroit very affecting I found a blog once where a Detroiter had posted WWII-era aerial photos of the city side by side with satellite views of the same places. It was astonishing to see how much of Detroit had been leveled and in some cases gone back to prairie. It reminded me of a line from the late Hamilton Camp’s “Pride of Man.”

Oh thou that dwell on many waters, rich in treasure, wide in fame…

303 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:27:40am

re: #302 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I joke, but I do find the decline of the city of Detroit very affecting I found a blog once where a Detroiter had posted WWII-era aerial photos of the city side by side with satellite views of the same places. It was astonishing to see how much of Detroit had been leveled and in some cases gone back to prairie. It reminded me of a line from the late Hamilton Camp’s “Pride of Man.”

There are parts of New York City and London that are utter shitholes, but tourists still flock there.

Here in Detroit, we have tourists come specifically for the shitholes!

304 CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2014 9:28:08am

re: #289 lawhawk

Is there a map that goes with that? Gah, I will never ever understand Israeli politics.

305 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:28:12am
306 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 9:28:39am

re: #289 lawhawk

Well while things were tense the past week, the coalition didn’t really fall apart until right about now (in fact, some coalitions governments have survived worse in the past).

The religious parties may have actually shot themselves in both legs last week, when they basically released an outrageous extortion list of demands for joining with Netanyahu (which may have actually added to his decision today) that generated crazy levels of anger.

Judging by the reactions i’m seeing and hearing now, Netanyahu’s just assured that Yesh Atid a) will never cooperate with the Likud again so long as he heads the party; and b) came back to life in future elections (polls from two weeks ago gave the party less than 9 mandates if elections were held then).

Netanyahu also just essentially ensured that Lapid’s “Zero interest rate” law (which basically 99.9999% of Israel’s populace supported with considerable enthusiasm to say the least) is dead in the water, with him as the murderous villain. This will NOT bode him well.

307 Franklin  Dec 2, 2014 9:29:08am
308 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 9:29:40am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

lawhawk @293 was right!

309 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:30:31am

re: #304 CuriousLurker

Is there a map that goes with that? Gah, I will never ever understand Israeli politics.

Knesset MK’s do not represent districts, Israel is too small for that.

Israel has a totally fucked up political system with dozens of single-issue special-interest parties, and no party ever wins a majority. It is up to the party that wins a plurality to join up with as many of these single-issue parties in order to form a majority coalition.

310 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 9:31:51am

Has Erick son of Erick blamed Obama yet for Detroit’s power outage?

311 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:32:41am

re: #310 Dr. Matt

Has Erick son of Erick blamed Obama yet for Detroit’s power outage?

HURR HURR 60 YEARS OF RULE BY LIBRUL DEMOCRATS!!!!!11!!!

312 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 9:32:44am

re: #302 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I joke, but I do find the decline of the city of Detroit very affecting I found a blog once where a Detroiter had posted WWII-era aerial photos of the city side by side with satellite views of the same places. It was astonishing to see how much of Detroit had been leveled and in some cases gone back to prairie. It reminded me of a line from the late Hamilton Camp’s “Pride of Man.”

Pittsburgh (and near suburbs) has stretches of former steel mill like that. In multiple locations over the past twenty years there has been remediation and then the space used for technology parks, shopping, etc. I used to work at a research building built on the former LTV Steel site.

313 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 9:33:16am

re: #309 The Vicious Fergushka

Knesset MK’s do not represent districts, Israel is too small for that.

Israel has a totally fucked up political system with dozens of single-issue special-interest parties, and no party ever wins a majority. It is up to the party that wins a plurality to join up with as many of these single-issue parties in order to form a majority coalition.

I didn’t know that Weimar was in Israel.

314 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:33:16am
315 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 9:33:42am

re: #310 Dr. Matt

Has Erick son of Erick blamed Obama yet for Detroit’s power outage?

He’s racing CCJ to find a way to blame it on Ferguson protestors.

316 CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2014 9:34:00am

re: #309 The Vicious Fergushka

Knesset MK’s do not represent districts, Israel is too small for that.

Israel has a totally fucked up political system with dozens of single-issue special-interest parties, and no party ever wins a majority. It is up to the party that wins a plurality to join up with as many of these single-issue parties in order to form a majority coalition.

I’ve tried to begin sorting out the parties before, but quickly gave up because of the constantly shifting coalitions, not to mention parties changing their names or being absorbed into other ones. It makes my brain hurt, heh.

317 #FergusonFireside  Dec 2, 2014 9:34:22am

re: #314 The Vicious Fergushka

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Looks like they have internet. Survival is in the cards.

318 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:34:31am

This is what happens when you lose your tax base and citizens can’t pay for regular maintenance. :(

319 Romantic Heretic  Dec 2, 2014 9:35:00am

re: #181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Socrates was the Common Core of ancient Athens.

Socrates was the first influential heretic.

The ancient Oracle claimed that I was the wisest of all the Greeks for I alone of all the Greeks knew that I knew nothing.

So he started trying to learn by asking questions of people. Questions people ‘knew’ the answers to. Socrates demonstrated that their ‘knowledge’ was actually ‘belief’.

Of course they killed him for it.

320 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:35:22am

re: #316 CuriousLurker

I’ve tried to begin sorting out the parties before but quickly gave up because of the constantly shifting coalitions, not to mention parties changing their names or being absorbed into other ones. It makes my brain hurt, heh.

My daughter has lived in Israel for the past 10 years and gets frustrated by it.

321 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 9:37:07am

re: #320 The Vicious Fergushka

My daughter has lived in Israel for the past 10 years and gets frustrated by it.

That’s ok, she’s in very good company - i’ve been here for a total of 13 years and find it frustrating, as have folks who have been here their entire lives…

322 bratwurst  Dec 2, 2014 9:37:49am
323 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 9:38:06am

re: #303 The Vicious Fergushka

There are parts of New York City and London that are utter shitholes, but tourists still flock there.

Here in Detroit, we have tourists come specifically for the shitholes!

Didn’t the city at one time offer abandoned houses for sale at incredibly cheap prices?

324 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 9:39:13am

re: #309 The Vicious Fergushka

Knesset MK’s do not represent districts, Israel is too small for that.

Israel has a totally fucked up political system with dozens of single-issue special-interest parties, and no party ever wins a majority. It is up to the party that wins a plurality to join up with as many of these single-issue parties in order to form a majority coalition.

Made a zillion times worse by the sheer number of election parties, many of which don’t pass the minimum barrier for qualifying (meaning that votes for them are essentially tossed away).
Last elections had 32 - yes that’s right, THIRTY-FREAKIN’-TWO -parties you could vote for. 13 of which never passed the mandate barrier.

Madness.

325 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 9:45:02am

re: #324 Archangelus

Made a zillion times worse by the sheer number of election parties, many of which don’t pass the minimum barrier for qualifying (meaning that votes for them are essentially tossed away).
Last elections had 32 - yes that’s right, THIRTY-FREAKIN’-TWO -parties you could vote for. 13 of which never passed the mandate barrier.

Madness.

One of the weaknesses of a parliamentary system that allows multiple parties like that. On the flip-side it doesn’t quite ossify like the US two-party set-up and it’s rigid election cycle.

326 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:47:44am

re: #323 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Didn’t the city at one time offer abandoned houses for sale at incredibly cheap prices?

Yeah except for the property taxes.

Also those houses were stripped so they couldn’t even be rehabbed.

327 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 9:51:23am

re: #326 The Vicious Fergushka

Yeah except for the property taxes.

Also those houses were stripped so they couldn’t even be rehabbed.

Which makes it less valuable than an equivalent empty lot since you have to remove and remediate before you can build.

328 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 9:52:20am

Breaking: a motion to dismiss the Israeli Knesset has been scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, after which the country is officially heading to elections.

In case the magnitude isn’t being made clear here: Netanyahu’s act is apparently unprecedented and there hasn’t been a political eruption of this magnitude in Israel in many many years, perhaps even decades (excluding the events that surrounded Rabin’s assassination, the last time something of this magnitude happened was in the late 1980s according to many political commentators).

329 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 9:53:19am

re: #328 Archangelus

Breaking: a motion to dismiss the Israeli Knesset has been scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, after which the country is officially heading to elections.

In case the magnitude isn’t being made clear here: Netanyahu’s act is apparently unprecedented and there hasn’t been a political eruption of this magnitude in Israel in many many years, perhaps even decades (excluding the events that surrounded Rabin’s assassination, the last time something of this magnitude happened was in the late 1980s according to many political commentators).

Can you page it, and also maybe attempt to explain the fucked-up political system (that may not be possible though)

330 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 9:55:42am

re: #329 The Vicious Fergushka

Jודא גןגת נןא םכ ש ‘םרל ןמ פרםערקדדץץץ

331 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 10:01:42am

re: #328 Archangelus

Breaking: a motion to dismiss the Israeli Knesset has been scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, after which the country is officially heading to elections.

In case the magnitude isn’t being made clear here: Netanyahu’s act is apparently unprecedented and there hasn’t been a political eruption of this magnitude in Israel in many many years, perhaps even decades (excluding the events that surrounded Rabin’s assassination, the last time something of this magnitude happened was in the late 1980s according to many political commentators).

Correct me if I’m wrong. It seems that the Palestinians often catch hell during the run up to Israel’s parliamentary elections.

332 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 10:02:39am
333 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 10:02:58am

re: #329 The Vicious Fergushka

Can you page it, and also maybe attempt to explain the fucked-up political system (that may not be possible though)

Here’s Ha’aretz’ left-wing take:

How to explain Israeli politics to a 10-year-old

haaretz.com

334 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 10:03:08am

I don’t work in Detroit but I do have to drive through it to get home.

335 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 10:03:28am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Here’s Ha’aretz’ left-wing take:

How to explain Israeli politics to a 10-year-old

haaretz.com

PAYWALLED.

336 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 10:04:05am

re: #335 The Vicious Fergushka

PAYWALLED.

Weird. Works from Baja Alabama.

337 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 10:04:37am

You’re supposed to be allowed to view 10 articles a month but I can only read one and then the paywall slams shut.

For lefty leftists, Haaretz are fucking greedy capitalists.

338 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 10:06:39am

re: #336 Decatur Deb

Weird. Works from Baja Alabama.

Wrong—didn’t read down far enough.

339 makeitstop  Dec 2, 2014 10:09:21am

re: #337 The Vicious Fergushka

You’re supposed to be allowed to view 10 articles a month but I can only read one and then the paywall slams shut.

For lefty leftists, Haaretz are fucking greedy capitalists.

Damn. I didn’t even get one!

340 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 10:09:41am

re: #337 The Vicious Fergushka

You’re supposed to be allowed to view 10 articles a month but I can only read one and then the paywall slams shut.

For lefty leftists, Haaretz are fucking greedy capitalists.

Hmmm. Paywall seems tight only on certain groups of columns.

341 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 10:10:45am

re: #330 Archangelus

Ugh, i HATE my keyboard… what that should have shown was “Just finished one already up, still a work in progress” (I’m adding some commentary)…

Paged here:
littlegreenfootballs.com

342 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 10:17:58am

re: #316 CuriousLurker

I’ve tried to begin sorting out the parties before, but quickly gave up because of the constantly shifting coalitions, not to mention parties changing their names or being absorbed into other ones. It makes my brain hurt, heh.

BRAINS!!

I WANT BRAINS!!

343 Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2014 10:19:34am
344 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 10:19:56am

re: #335 The Vicious Fergushka

PAYWALLED.

Haaretz paywalling content, what a surprise… /industrial-grade sarc

345 Sionainn  Dec 2, 2014 10:24:06am

re: #227 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

A quick question: do we know with any certainty how many feet were there between Wilson and Brown when the former made the last, fatal barrage of shots?

All I remember is Brown was dead 153 feet from Wilson’s vehicle.

346 allegro  Dec 2, 2014 10:24:59am

Well, I just had a disturbing experience, like the equivalent of a face-to-face with our most recent troll. I was folding my laundry when another park resident came in and we got to chatting. We talked for a long time about the park (we’re both long-timers here), our pets, other residents, etc. Quite nice - and I think he was flirting since every time I moved to leave he stepped in front of the door anxious to continue the conversation.

Somehow the conversation led me to saying that we lived like a mile from the highest gang murder area in the country (true fact) and he laughed and said he thought Chicago had that honor. Should have clued me in right there. He asked how long I’ve lived here and then asked where I moved here from. Answer: Chicago. He then announced that he was probably going to piss me off, asked if I was a progressive. Absolutely, I answered, and a proud tree hugger to boot. Then he said I would probably disagree with him about the Keystone pipeline. Clearly, I did. He said I was an idiot and stupid. I said, “time for me to go now, nice chatting with you,” as he continued to say insulting things. I took my laundry to the truck and when I returned the cart to the laundry room, “I said, there’s the cart back, have a great day.” He said, “I bet you voted for that ni-clang Obama.” I said yes, twice, and I’d do it again. He called me a moron and this is what happens when stupid women get to vote. I answered that telling people that they’re stupid and morons is a real asshole thing to do.

The whole way walking back to my truck, this guy is screaming expletives out the laundry room door at me. It was loud enough to bring the park manager out of the office next door.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?! (rhetorical question)

347 calochortus  Dec 2, 2014 10:27:51am

re: #346 allegro

Idiots are everywhere.

348 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 10:28:44am

re: #346 allegro

He’s probably just insecure about his tiny, tiny penis and feels that he needs to compensate for it by being a dick.

349 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 10:29:59am
350 #FergusonFireside  Dec 2, 2014 10:30:31am

re: #346 allegro

:( Another day, another asshole. Although this guy was too aggressive.

351 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 10:30:44am

re: #348 Kragar

He’s probably just insecure about his tiny, tiny penis and feels that he needs to compensate for it by being a dick.

“You are what you lack”

352 philosophus invidius  Dec 2, 2014 10:31:03am

re: #344 Archangelus

via google:
google.com

353 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 10:31:52am

An article not paywalled here, and the hasidic bluesman it featured.

Hasidic musician Lazer Lloyd sings the black hat blues

haaretz.com

Youtube Video

354 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 10:32:12am

re: #352 philosophus invidius

via google:
google.com

If the URL has the word “premium” in it, you are fucked.

355 allegro  Dec 2, 2014 10:32:53am

re: #350 #FergusonFireside

:( Another day, another asshole. Although this guy was too aggressive.

No shit. It has me shaking since this guy lives here and now he knows where I live, too.

356 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 10:37:12am

re: #304 CuriousLurker

Is there a map that goes with that? Gah, I will never ever understand Israeli politics.

Israeli politics doesn’t need maps since the entire electorate votes and it’s based on a parliamentary system with modifications. Israelis vote for a party slate, and depending on the votes cast in total, the number of votes needed for a seat is determined and then tallied for each party. There’s a cutoff for how many votes are needed to get representation in the Knesset.

Israel has never had a single party government. It has always had a coalition govt, which makes sense given Israel’s history and political system.

The Knesset has 120 seats, and for purposes of explanation say that they figure that it takes roughly 48,000 votes for a party to make the cut (2.4 million votes cast). [UPDATE - the threshold is 2%, so the minimum would be 48,000, not 20k as I originally indicated]

Likud gets 700,000 votes, which gives them more than 37 members. The party slate then uses the order of their slate to seat members in the Knesset (starting with Bibi at 1 on down the list).

Likud, since it had a balance, can then aggregate with any other party in an agreement to share totals in order to get the fractional share. Say that Yisrael Beiteinu had enough votes for 10 seats, but not enough for 11. The two parties could aggregate their votes to form a bloc agreement.

There’s a lot more math involved in this system, but it does have its benefits of voting for a slate rather than just an individual (though for a few election cycles, the PM was directly elected separate from the parliamentary slate elections).

357 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 10:39:47am

re: #346 allegro

#PureKlass

358 Archangelus  Dec 2, 2014 10:43:16am

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359 No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2014 10:55:47am

re: #307 Franklin

360 Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2014 11:58:36am

re: #358 Archangelus

Well my day just turned sour: been freelancing these past few months after the company I worked for fired me (my salary was messed with over a few months, got fired for complaining - and yes, I’m suing) and now my primary clients unexpectedly freezing all work for the next two months, leaving me essentially unemployed until then…. any advise?

Don’t know what you do. Silicon Wadi?

361 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2014 12:00:54pm

re: #325 Feline Fearless Leader

One of the weaknesses of a parliamentary system that allows multiple parties like that. On the flip-side it doesn’t quite ossify like the US two-party set-up and it’s rigid election cycle.

Germany instituted as 5% minimum for a party to be represented in Parliament to overcome the deadlock of the Weimar Republic.

362 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 12:25:05pm

re: #348 Kragar

He’s probably just insecure about his tiny, tiny penis and feels that he needs to compensate for it by being a dick.

Hey I have a tiny penis, well several of them actually - I keep them in a jar - yet I don’t act like a dick, very often.

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 1:17:38pm

re: #362 b_sharp

Hey I have a tiny penis, well several of them actually - I keep them in a jar - yet I don’t act like a dick, very often.

Always good to have a reliable supply of spare parts…

364 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 2, 2014 1:59:47pm

re: #335 The Vicious Fergushka

PAYWALLED.

Can get it by Google. Was interesting enough to make the effort worth it.

365 Areopagitica  Dec 2, 2014 9:57:51pm

Wait, Rick Santorum, that bastion of right wing stupidity who thinks he’s the purest form of republican since Pat Buchanan, doesn’t agree with the original intent of the Framers? What kind of heathen is he?

Jefferson wrote this in a letter to the Danbury Baptists. Madison documented it in his papers. It’s the law Ricky, get over it.

And the rest of the world laughs at the U.S. as they all learn how to create better energy systems and medical treatments, teach their kids calculus and biology while our politicians are still arguing the merits of the Scopes Monkey Trial. Sad.

;-)

366 CriticalDragon1177  Dec 3, 2014 10:42:58am

Yes separation of church and state was invented by those Godless commies, since they hate God, and therefor secularism is anti Christian and evil. Never mind Thomas Jefferson, and the other founding fathers.

Also how much do you want to bet that Communist Manifesto doesn’t say a lot of the thing Rick Santorum insists that it does?

367 CriticalDragon1177  Dec 3, 2014 10:47:08am

By the way, I wonder how Rick Santorum would explain article 11 of the treaty of Tripoli which was written long before Marx even came up with the idea of communism.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796


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