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1 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 5:13:01pm

I can hear the renting of ideology and wailing of privilege already.

2 Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2014 5:15:23pm

re: #1 b_sharp

I can hear the renting of ideology and wailing of privilege already.

And the gnashing of tweets.

3 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2014 5:15:39pm
4 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 5:15:53pm

re: #1 b_sharp

rending*

5 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 3, 2014 5:16:12pm

God bless you all who are stepping up in NYC. Be loud proud and peaceful. be safe. Time for us ordinary people to say stop this now. Not next year, next month. Right effing now.

6 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 5:16:21pm

For your consideration;

7 b.d.  Dec 3, 2014 5:16:58pm

If they would have confirmed Obama’s replacement nominee then Holder wouldn’t be around to do this.

Please proceed GOP.

8 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 5:17:31pm

It must be my hormones, but I cannot stop crying today. I just keep thinking about Tamir. Damn it.

9 Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2014 5:17:59pm

What do these fucking assholes like Chuck Johnson think they’re achieving by trying to dispute that Garner was killed by a chokehold?

10 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 5:20:12pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

And the gnashing of tweets.

I was wondering what that grinding sound was.

11 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:21:39pm

re: #8 Jenner7

It must be my hormones, but I cannot stop crying today. I just keep thinking about Tamir. Damn it.

I am beyond aghast. And I think we’ve reached the boiling point.

RWC, driving home - took 1 hr more than usual in the rain, saw 4 cops pulling people over. Not accidents, pullovers.

We were no more than 30 mph the whole fucking way. I felt they saw a perfect opportunity to check plates in the traffic jam.

The cops have lost it. All over.

I flipped them the bird.

12 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 3, 2014 5:22:19pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

What do these fucking assholes like Chuck Johnson think they’re achieving by trying to dispute that Garner was killed by a chokehold?

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Don’t worry. Failback position from that is that since Garner was demonic he didn’t need to breathe at all anyways.
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13 Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2014 5:22:20pm
14 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 5:22:26pm

re: #4 Kragar

rending*

rent 2 (rnt)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of rend.
n.
1. An opening made by rending; a rip.
2. A breach of relations between persons or groups; a rift.

thefreedictionary.com

15 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2014 5:23:03pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

What do these fucking assholes like Chuck Johnson think they’re achieving by trying to dispute that Garner was killed by a chokehold?

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Muddying the waters, making it easier for anyone on the fence or inclined to be sympathetic to any protests to instead fall on the “Law’N’Order” side. Also provides cover for more overt racism.

FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Same as the whole Climate Denier industry.

16 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 5:23:49pm
17 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 5:24:02pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

What do these fucking assholes like Chuck Johnson think they’re achieving by trying to dispute that Garner was killed by a chokehold?

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Anything to avoid addressing the real issues.

18 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 5:25:17pm

re: #14 b_sharp

rent 2 (rnt)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of rend.
n.
1. An opening made by rending; a rip.
2. A breach of relations between persons or groups; a rift.

thefreedictionary.com

But you were talking about the future wailing, so you were mixing tenses.

19 Belafon  Dec 3, 2014 5:25:47pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

What do these fucking assholes like Chuck Johnson think they’re achieving by trying to dispute that Garner was killed by a chokehold?

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That way they can justify to themselves why it’s OK that Garner was killed.

20 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 5:26:09pm

re: #18 Kragar

But you were talking about the future wailing, so you were mixing tenses.

Yes you are right.

I am a very mixed up person.

I hang my heads in shame.

21 EPR-radar  Dec 3, 2014 5:26:55pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

Muddying the waters, making it easier for anyone on the fence or inclined to be sympathetic to any protests to instead fall on the “Law’N’Order” side. Also provides cover for more overt racism.

FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Same as the whole Climate Denier industry.

Asshats making distinctions where there are no real differences are always irritating.

It’s especially obnoxious when the attempted distinction is between neck compression cutting off breathing and neck compression cutting off blood flow to the brain, all in an attempt to distract from an underlying pattern of no consequences for out-of-control cops.

22 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 5:28:29pm

re: #20 b_sharp

23 ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2014 5:29:23pm

re: #20 b_sharp

Yes you are right.

I am a very mixed up person.

I hang my heads in shame.

Hey, it happens to the best of ‘em.

Just look at Chucky C.

24 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 3, 2014 5:29:52pm

I know this is wrong, but I can’t wait for the day that scum like CCJ find themselves on the wrong side of the law for having done nothing.

25 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:31:15pm

I followed this other SEC chick because of the SEC. She’s a winger from Texas. Not as bad as most, but damn it’s been hard.

Today her main response was Obama had to talk about it. Shame on him.

Racists have to hide, they never ever want to be called out. So offensive to them. That’s their bottom line.

26 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 5:32:04pm

re: #23 ObserverArt

Hey, it happens to the best of ‘em.

Just look at Chucky C.

Did you just place me beside Chucky?

Now I’m hurt.

27 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 5:32:23pm

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I know this is wrong, but I can’t wait for the day that scum like CCJ find themselves on the wrong side of the law for having done nothing.

For arrogant, rules-don’t-apply-to-me fucknoodles like CCJ, they will always have done something.

28 BigPapa  Dec 3, 2014 5:33:26pm

My first thought in seeing this thread: what about Ferguson and the Wilson case?

29 Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2014 5:33:40pm
30 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 5:34:01pm

re: #25 #FergusonFireside

Let her see this:

31 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 5:34:31pm
32 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 5:35:52pm

Is di kele Chucky’s grandma, who listened to Rush with him

33 EPR-radar  Dec 3, 2014 5:36:14pm

re: #28 BigPapa

My first thought in seeing this thread: what about Ferguson and the Wilson case?

As far as I know, the Feds are still in the process of the Ferguson civil right investigation.

May it lead to much unpleasantness for the powers that be in that part of Missouri.

34 ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2014 5:36:27pm

re: #26 b_sharp

Did you just place me beside Chucky?

Now I’m hurt.

Comparatively. Just trying to console you that even the greatest journalist known to man sometimes bobbles words.

I meant no harm. I thought you’d be honored.

Maybe you don’t understand Chuck C’s greatness. Not many do!

35 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:37:14pm

re: #28 BigPapa

My first thought in seeing this thread: what about Ferguson and the Wilson case?

Line them up.

I’m looking at the Justice Dept.

They are failing America.

36 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 3, 2014 5:37:18pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

Really hoping so. I bet once the Feds step in and start cleaning house, the Oathkeeper pricks will turn tail and run.

37 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 5:37:20pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

Comparatively. Just trying to console you that even the greatest journalist known to man sometimes bobbles words.

I meant no harm. I thought you’d be honored.

Maybe you don’t understand Chuck C’s greatness. Not many do!

LMFAO

38 Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2014 5:37:31pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

That’s one helluva fake chokehold.

Again, at some point, some of these guys should ask themselves “Why do I feel the need to defend what happened at all costs?” I mean when Ben Fucking Shapiro gets it right you know something stinks.

39 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 5:37:49pm

Looks like Ben has found his meme

40 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 5:38:36pm

She has to be Chucky’s grandma. HAS TO BE.

41 b.d.  Dec 3, 2014 5:39:24pm

I think what this country is waking up to is not the fact that what happened to Brown, Garner, Martin, Rice, Crawford et al was unspeakably horrid, which it no doubt is, but to the fact that this has been going on to the AA community forever.

42 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 5:40:26pm

OK I blocked CountyCaptain 4Romney Crazy Granny.

43 Lidane  Dec 3, 2014 5:40:51pm
44 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 5:40:57pm

Roorda is on MSNBC now….

45 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 5:41:01pm

Chris Hayes just had a slip of the tongue, saying that the Grand Jury failed to indict Eric Garner.

Sadly, that’s exactly what the GJ did.

46 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:41:40pm

re: #32 The Vicious Fergushka

Perfect example, along with the whole RWNJ freaks, that Black Lives Don’t Matter.

Fuck I turned on MSNBC and Roorda is on.

S W I T C H the fuck off.

47 The War TARDIS  Dec 3, 2014 5:42:28pm

re: #43 Lidane

Terrorist supporter says wat?

How many members of the police in the UK were killed by the IRA thugs, Peter King’s friends?

48 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:43:07pm

Anderson Cooper is way better.

49 ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2014 5:43:26pm

Later. I feel like banging on my drum kit. Maybe I’ll tell myself I’m protesting by doing so.

I can be my own drum line…as if I was experiencing an Occupy NY moment!

: ) …if’n you catch my drift?

50 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 5:43:32pm
51 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 5:44:11pm

re: #50 The Vicious Fergushka

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The answer is:

Self delusion.

52 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 5:44:57pm

re: #8 Jenner7

It must be my hormones, but I cannot stop crying today. I just keep thinking about Tamir. Damn it.

Every time I hear or read his name, all I can see is that lonely little boy playing in the cold, making snowballs and trying to amuse himself. I’m right with you—I get tears in my eyes every time.

53 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:44:57pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

As far as I know, the Feds are still in the process of the Ferguson civil right investigation.

May it lead to much unpleasantness for the powers that be in that part of Missouri.

Burn the whole place down @theJusticedept

54 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 5:45:30pm
55 The War TARDIS  Dec 3, 2014 5:47:22pm

Did a rough look.

319 members of the Royal Ulster COnstabulary, Police Services elsewhere in the UK, and the Irish Gardai were killed during the troubles.

Assuming 50-50 violence towards the police by the loyalists and the IRA, and we are talking about something like 160 members of the police.

So, why does Peter King support that?

56 Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2014 5:48:54pm
57 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 5:49:04pm

Roorda just said Bob McCullough didn’t believe there was evidence that Darren Wilson acted in a criminal way…

That just proves what everyone has been claiming, that he acted as a defense attorney and not a prosecutor.

58 makeitstop  Dec 3, 2014 5:49:31pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

What do these fucking assholes like Chuck Johnson think they’re achieving by trying to dispute that Garner was killed by a chokehold?

History is being re-written as we speak, Charles. It’s now a confirmed! FACT!!1 that Garner who was ‘in poor health’ and ‘decided to resist arrest’ so he ‘got what was coming to him.’

He died of a heart attack. Period. So say an entire gaggle of legal experts on Facebook.

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59 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 3, 2014 5:49:48pm

re: #50 The Vicious Fergushka

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Because 1 out of 3 ain’t bad?

60 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:50:30pm

Ya’ll, help. I saw a sign from the NY protest tonight that hit.

Something like white silence = white denial.

Not as cold cut as that, better than my memory. I’ve been searching.

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 3, 2014 5:52:52pm

re: #60 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll, help. I saw a sign from the NY protest tonight that hit.

Something like white silence = white denial.

Not as cold cut as that, better than my memory. I’ve been searching.

White Silence = White Consent ?

Someone posted a picture of that one earlier.

62 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:53:33pm

re: #57 Jenner7

Roorda just said Bob McCullough didn’t believe there was evidence that Darren Wilson acted in a criminal way…

That just proves what everyone has been claiming, that he acted as a defense attorney and not a prosecutor.

Thank you for listening. Eat chocolate or something to heal.

63 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 5:54:20pm

re: #61 Feline Fearless Leader

White Silence = White Consent ?

Someone posted a picture of that one earlier.

prob me, I haven’t looked that far!!!! halp

64 Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2014 5:54:36pm
65 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 5:57:16pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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Maybe upchuck is going for the Bill Kristol record of being wrong on every fucking issue.

66 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 5:58:41pm

re: #60 #FergusonFireside

I saw that sign too, just can’t recall where. I’m looking…

67 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 3, 2014 5:58:50pm

re: #60 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll, help. I saw a sign from the NY protest tonight that hit.

Something like white silence = white denial.

Not as cold cut as that, better than my memory. I’ve been searching.

I think that was just about it. And it has a terrible truth to it. Young lady holding it up. Heh, ya think twitter is tough at 140 characters? Try 24 x 24 inches.

68 unproven innocence  Dec 3, 2014 5:58:59pm

re: #60 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll, help. I saw a sign from the NY protest tonight that hit.

Something like white silence = white denial.

Not as cold cut as that, better than my memory. I’ve been searching.

Previous thread, #334 Backwoods_Sleuth:
littlegreenfootballs.com

69 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2014 5:59:29pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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Justifiable? Justifiable HOW, exactly?

70 b_sharp  Dec 3, 2014 6:00:25pm

re: #69 Blind Frog Belly White

Justifiable? Justifiable HOW, exactly?

Large black man = walking weapon.

A threat to all that is good and white.

71 Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2014 6:00:45pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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English is not a strong suit for Chuck, is it? He might want to take a gander at the definition of “homicide”.

72 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 3, 2014 6:02:33pm
73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2014 6:03:15pm

re: #60 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll, help. I saw a sign from the NY protest tonight that hit.

Something like white silence = white denial.

Not as cold cut as that, better than my memory. I’ve been searching.

I posted it in the thread directly downstairs.

ETA: I see unproven innocence found the link.

74 bratwurst  Dec 3, 2014 6:04:30pm
75 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 6:04:46pm

re: #66 Jenner7

I saw that sign too, just can’t recall where. I’m looking…

Sleuth posted it on the last thread:

76 Amory Blaine  Dec 3, 2014 6:05:31pm

Autopsy: Milwaukee cop shot mentally-ill black man from above and behind, 14 times

A lawyer representing the family of an African-American mentally ill man who was shot and killed by a white police officer in Milwaukee said this week that the autopsy report had called the shooting into question.

Earlier this year, then-Officer Christopher Manney had confronted 31-year-old Dontre Hamilton for sleeping in a park, even though other officers had determined that Hamilton had done nothing wrong. Police said at the time that the confrontation escalated into a struggle when Hamilton grabbed Manney’s baton and began hitting the officer with it.

Police Chief Edward Flynn fired Manney for ignoring department rules about dealing with emotionally disturbed people, but refused to prosecute the officer for “making mistakes” after he shot Hamilton 14 times.

77 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 6:06:21pm

re: #68 unproven innocence

Previous thread, #334 Backwoods_Sleuth:
littlegreenfootballs.com

love you. Thanks.

78 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 3, 2014 6:07:41pm

Guys check me here please.

So ya got about four cops on one big man. One cop for each limb. Two on his neck. And all these trained up guys cant control his hands enough to put them together to get cuffed. Why? The cop doing the long time illegal choke hold is right in the way of moving one right arm to his back for cuffing. The left was there already that cop was doing the right thing. Go for the cuffing up. Thing is two of them were in the way of putting that second hand back.

Come on, cuffing is police martial arts 101. Rudimentary skill. They fucked it up so bad they killed him. Sorry for yelling.

79 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 6:08:31pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

I posted it in the thread directly downstairs.

ETA: I see unproven innocence found the link.

Thank you.

A keeper.

80 Amory Blaine  Dec 3, 2014 6:09:11pm

Laying or grabbing certain ways ensures more pain and brutality. Efficient cuffing looks low on the scale.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2014 6:10:25pm

BREAKING GOATNEWS!!11!!!

Except real news sources reported this hours and hours ago (with photos!):

82 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 6:10:54pm

re: #76 Amory Blaine

Autopsy: Milwaukee cop shot mentally-ill black man from above and behind, 14 times

Keep the sign, fill in the fucking blank.

Dog I hope this is the moment.

83 Amory Blaine  Dec 3, 2014 6:11:13pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

84 Aye Pod  Dec 3, 2014 6:15:32pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

He deserves to be dropped off in the middle of Yonkers dressed in a selection of his own tweets.

85 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 6:16:01pm
86 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 3, 2014 6:16:37pm

Hey, Charles! This link is not working for me. littlegreenfootballs.com

I get the No Space on the Internet 404 page.

87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 3, 2014 6:17:50pm

re: #84 Aye Pod

He deserves to be dropped off in the middle of Yonkers Harlem dressed in a selection of his own tweets.

Or at a NYC cabbie depot.

88 Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2014 6:17:56pm

re: #4 Kragar

rending*

Wrecked him? Hell, damn near killed him!

89 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 6:19:07pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

BREAKING GOATNEWS!!11!!!

Except real news sources reported this hours and hours ago (with photos!):

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Apparently the fillings in upchuck’s teeth can pick up police scanner broadcasts. (But they’re on a time-delay.)

90 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 6:19:07pm

WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. THIS. SHIT.
I just can’t even.

91 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 3, 2014 6:19:31pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

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92 Amory Blaine  Dec 3, 2014 6:19:40pm

Here’s a deep cut for you Scott Walker fans out there. This peach of a guy (slumlord) was directly involved with getting Walker elected to County Executive. A true-blue blame everyone else personal bootstrap conservative.

Conservative activist blames City Hall for bankruptcy filing

Long a local government watchdog and critic, conservative activist Orville Seymer is now asking the federal government to help him sort out his money troubles.

Seymer — a top official with Citizens for Responsible Government — filed for bankruptcy last month, listing $147,126 in assets and more than $1 million in liabilities. He is seeking Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, which stops all legal actions and could allow him to write off many of his debts.

Seymer is pinning much of the blame for his financial woes on City Hall, saying he has been targeted by city building inspectors for speaking out against local officials.

Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett’s administration is dismissing his complaints.

“His allegation that we are political hacks, for lack of a better word, has no credibility in my mind,” said Art Dahlberg, head of the Department of Neighborhood Services.

In an interview, Seymer called the bankruptcy filing “embarrassing” but pointed the finger at “bad tenants and the city of Milwaukee” as the two primary causes for his current hardship.

93 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 6:21:08pm
94 Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2014 6:21:25pm

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Hey, Charles! This link is not working for me. littlegreenfootballs.com

I get the No Space on the Internet 404 page.

You have some kind of filter in the way, interfering with our Javascript code. All of the problems you’ve reported recently are things that happen when Javascript isn’t running. And well, you’re in China, so remember… this is how they do.

95 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 3, 2014 6:22:34pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

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Ok, let’s try that again….

RBS

96 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 6:22:46pm

Ben Shapiro has received his talking point from Dana Loesch so he doesn’t have to agree with TEH LIBTARDS
HURR HURR TEH TAXES KILLED ERIC GARNER!!!1!!!!!

97 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 6:23:07pm

DEAD IS DEAD YOU FUCKING DOUCHEWAD

98 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 3, 2014 6:23:47pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

You have some kind of filter in the way, interfering with our Javascript code. All of the problems you’ve reported recently are things that happen when Javascript isn’t running. And well, you’re in China, so remember… this is how they do.

Ah, I suspected as much. Thanks. I’ll accessing through my VPN.

99 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 3, 2014 6:25:33pm

Ok, now it’s starting to get me angry….

100 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 6:25:43pm
101 b.d.  Dec 3, 2014 6:25:59pm

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

He deserves to be dropped off in the middle of Yonkers Harlem dressed in a selection of his own tweets.
Or at a NYC cabbie depot.

Ahhhh memories…

102 Amory Blaine  Dec 3, 2014 6:26:09pm

re: #99 RealityBasedSteve

He is a handsome goat.

103 psddluva4evah  Dec 3, 2014 6:26:28pm

If you didn’t see the video from the press conference that MSNBC showed you’ve got to try to see it…heartbreaking.

104 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 3, 2014 6:26:30pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I wish we could filter out all the Chinese/Russian/?? robot spammers as easilyt as they seem to filter LGF and other content over there.

105 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 6:27:36pm

re: #90 The Vicious Fergushka

WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. THIS. SHIT.
I just can’t even.

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Anything to avoid the real issue.

The Right Channels Its Outrage In Eric Garner Case Toward The ‘Nanny State’

106 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 6:28:19pm
107 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 6:29:36pm
108 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 6:30:10pm

re: #105 Kragar

Anything to avoid the real issue.

The Right Channels Its Outrage In Eric Garner Case Toward The ‘Nanny State’

Well, that lets them blame Obama, so win-win to them. (Plus, I think it’s mostly fake outrage anyway. They really don’t care one way or the other as long as the dead person isn’t one of them.)

109 bubba zanetti  Dec 3, 2014 6:31:15pm

re: #97 The Vicious Fergushka

DEAD IS DEAD YOU FUCKING DOUCHEWAD

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It’s the “it was birdshot, not buckshot” strategy redux.

110 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 6:32:35pm

One of the saddest aspects of what we’re seeing with white police and black citizenry is that this shit has been going on for a long long time. Without the internet I doubt there would have been much hay made anywhere, let alone in every major city in the United States. It’s heartening to see people march in the streets for justice, it’s downright depressing that time and time again cops who kill walk.

Addendum: I want to clarify that last statement. I am well aware that there are cops who kill because they must. There are too many cops killing when they clearly had other options, and this problem is quite pronounced with black people.

111 Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2014 6:32:40pm

re: #97 The Vicious Fergushka

DEAD IS DEAD YOU FUCKING DOUCHEWAD

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These people are really going to argue the semantics between choking and cutting blood flow to the brain (in lethal fashion)? Seriously?

112 Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2014 6:33:28pm

re: #98 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Yup, from China you’ll need to use a VPN to have a fully-functioning LGF. Javascript has become a necessity for modern websites. I still try to provide fallbacks for people with Javascript disabled, but it’s getting more difficult.

113 darthstar  Dec 3, 2014 6:34:17pm
114 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 6:34:30pm
115 darthstar  Dec 3, 2014 6:35:29pm
116 darthstar  Dec 3, 2014 6:36:46pm
117 darthstar  Dec 3, 2014 6:37:38pm

re: #114 Jenner7

It’s okay…he’s white. He can have a gun. He has no dick.

118 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 6:38:01pm

darthstar, you want to see some of the stupidest ski gear ever? Of course you do!

119 darthstar  Dec 3, 2014 6:38:48pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

darthstar, you want to see some of the stupidest ski gear ever? Of course you do!

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That’s.Just.Fucking.Stupid.

120 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 3, 2014 6:40:25pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Yup, from China you’ll need to use a VPN to have a fully-functioning LGF. Javascript has become a necessity for modern websites. I still try to provide fallbacks for people with Javascript disabled, but it’s getting more difficult.

What’s strange is how selective it is. Using Firefox, almost everything works. Using Chrome, most of the buttons don’t work. If there were some consistency among browsers, I’d suspect firewalling problems, but I’m wondering if it’s a problem on my machine with Java.

121 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 6:41:47pm

re: #119 darthstar

That’s.Just.Fucking.Stupid.

My friend and I were genuinely gobsmacked. The first thing that came out of my friend’s mouth when he saw these, “I’m not even going to say what I think of those, there’s too many kids around.”

122 Belafon  Dec 3, 2014 6:42:29pm

re: #120 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

At work, we have IE 9 in a VM, and LGF doesn’t like it. Most of the buttons don’t work in it either. I had attributed it to the VM making everything weird.

123 psddluva4evah  Dec 3, 2014 6:43:01pm
124 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 3, 2014 6:44:25pm

You’d think the natural mouthpiece of The Nanny State would be a site called GoatNews.
///

125 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 6:44:35pm

re: #123 psddluva4evah

Oh great. That picture alone is getting the RWNJs in a nice frothy rage as we speak.

126 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 3, 2014 6:45:18pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

darthstar, you want to see some of the stupidest ski gear ever? Of course you do!

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For us non-skiers…. what’s the problem? (I’m serious)

RBS

127 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 6:47:54pm

re: #90 The Vicious Fergushka

WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. THIS. SHIT.
I just can’t even.

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They twist it to their own money making enterprise.

They are the money changers in the temple.

128 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 6:48:36pm

re: #126 RealityBasedSteve

For us non-skiers…. what’s the problem? (I’m serious)

RBS

Skiing requires the skier to lean forward in our boots to apply pressure to the ski for it to engage (turn). Those skis go against all skiing logic, safety, and physics.

129 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 6:50:19pm
130 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 6:51:22pm

re: #93 Jenner7

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Bad cops city shop.

The whole system needs to be re-done. (good fucking luck with that)

They’ve been built up beyond their actual ability. To our peril.

Fearful America.

131 psddluva4evah  Dec 3, 2014 6:52:18pm
132 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 6:52:25pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

darthstar, you want to see some of the stupidest ski gear ever? Of course you do!

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They’re colorful! :D

133 Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2014 6:53:55pm

re: #123 psddluva4evah

Have the right wing howler monkeys derided her for a lack of class yet?

134 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 6:55:21pm

re: #126 RealityBasedSteve

Let me put it this way. I’ve been skiing most of my life. I can ski, telemark ski (my specialty) and snowboard at an expert level. I wouldn’t ski those skis if someone paid me.

135 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 6:56:15pm

re: #107 The Vicious Fergushka

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Yeah, but it’s THOSE people.

136 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 6:57:41pm

re: #133 Mike Lamb

Have the right wing howler monkeys derided her for a lack of class yet?

That’s only for underage minors.

137 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2014 6:58:49pm
138 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 7:01:25pm

re: #131 psddluva4evah

This should be no human’s last words at the hands of the state. And yet here we are, we’re at the point where we don’t even know how many people are killed by police every year in the United States.

139 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 7:01:26pm

We just finished having “The Conversation” with my fucking ten year old. It’s not the first time, ya know, a bit of a reminder about how to behave around the police.
Actually, we were a little more explicit this time because the notion that he was too young has been tossed in the bin.
I feel like throwing up.
I also want to throw a brick at something…

140 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:03:04pm

re: #137 The Vicious Fergushka

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Well, she’ll never be the US AG, will she?

That kind of measured statement makes her a Communist.

<sigh>

141 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:04:01pm

re: #111 Mike Lamb

These people are really going to argue the semantics between choking and cutting blood flow to the brain (in lethal fashion)? Seriously?

Yes. They are.

142 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Dec 3, 2014 7:05:25pm

Back in August, Gene Demby of NPR’s CodeSwitch gave one of the best explanations I’ve seen for why black people and white people [tend to] perceive police brutality differently. It’s not long, but it’s well worth a read.

143 Sionainn  Dec 3, 2014 7:07:29pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

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I need some of that shit tonight.

144 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 7:08:04pm

re: #139 OhNoZombies!

We just finished having “The Conversation” with my fucking ten year old. It’s not the first time, ya know, a bit of a reminder about how to behave around the police.
Actually, we were a little more explicit this time because the notion that he was too young has been tossed in the bin.
I feel like throwing up.
I also want to throw a brick at something…

Frankly, no parent should have to have that talk with their kids about the police. Unfortunately contrary to the conservative wing of the Supreme Court racism does still exist in the United States.

That’s a sad thing OhNoZombies! It reminds me of black parents telling their children how to conduct themselves in Jim Crow America.

145 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 7:08:18pm
146 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:08:57pm

re: #141 #FergusonFireside

Yes. They are.

Worse, even though that choke hold was specifically proscribed by the NYPD and that the City had earlier paid several hundred thousand dollars in a case where he had forced two black men to strip down on a roadside, the gaspers will defend his murdering an unarmed man.

I can’t imagine that kind of thing happening anywhere else in the good old USA.

I can’t even put enough sarc tags on that.

147 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:09:47pm

re: #140 austin_blue

Well, she’ll never be the US AG, will she?

That kind of measured statement makes her a Communist.

<sigh>

Fuck the GOP at this point. They are not going to approve anyone.

148 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 7:10:42pm

re: #139 OhNoZombies!

We just finished having “The Conversation” with my fucking ten year old. It’s not the first time, ya know, a bit of a reminder about how to behave around the police.
Actually, we were a little more explicit this time because the notion that he was too young has been tossed in the bin.
I feel like throwing up.
I also want to throw a brick at something…

Of all that we know has happened, this may be the most heartbreaking. Your sweet child’s innocence and ability to just be a kid; your ability to enjoy your child and watch him discover the world and a life in front of him… stolen. Violently so. Replaced with dread, fear, and constant worry. And for no fucking reason. We aren’t at war. There should be no such threat most especially from those who are entrusted to protect us.

America. Fuck, yeah.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 3, 2014 7:11:56pm

Good night folks. Have a cat photo.

150 CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2014 7:14:46pm

re: #148 allegro

Of all that we know has happened, this may be the most heartbreaking. Your sweet child’s innocence and ability to just be a kid; your ability to enjoy your child and watch him discover the world and a life in front of him… stolen. Violently so. Replaced with dread, fear, and constant worry. And for no fucking reason. We aren’t at war. There should be no such threat most especially from those who are entrusted to protect us.

America. Fuck, yeah.

THIS x 1000.

151 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 7:17:00pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

At this point in my life, and I just turned 40, I’ve come to the conclusion that ‘ol Jim Crow never exactly went away.
Locked in the basement maybe.

152 CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2014 7:17:01pm

re: #139 OhNoZombies!

We just finished having “The Conversation” with my fucking ten year old. It’s not the first time, ya know, a bit of a reminder about how to behave around the police.
Actually, we were a little more explicit this time because the notion that he was too young has been tossed in the bin.
I feel like throwing up.
I also want to throw a brick at something…

{{{ONZ}}} Give your 10-year-old a hug for me too.

This SUCKS.

153 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:17:31pm

re: #143 Sionainn

I need some of that shit tonight.

Ditto

154 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:18:36pm

re: #147 #FergusonFireside

Fuck the GOP at this point. They are not going to approve anyone.

Yes. Because an Executive Order on the immigration issue based on Congressional inaction has been welded by the R’s to the appointment of a new AG. And a new Defense Secretary. Just fucking rock hard stupid.

(clears throat, spits a big lugie)

155 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:22:21pm

re: #139 OhNoZombies!

We just finished having “The Conversation” with my fucking ten year old. It’s not the first time, ya know, a bit of a reminder about how to behave around the police.
Actually, we were a little more explicit this time because the notion that he was too young has been tossed in the bin.
I feel like throwing up.
I also want to throw a brick at something…

I can’t imagine. Really. My deepest sympathies.

156 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 3, 2014 7:22:48pm

re: #114 Jenner7

And he isn’t shot and killed. Surprise!

157 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 7:24:30pm

re: #151 OhNoZombies!

{{{OhNoZombies!}}}

158 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:24:42pm

re: #156 GlutenFreeJesus

And he isn’t shot and killed. Surprise!

The demon was kinda buried.

159 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:28:27pm
160 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:28:30pm

re: #151 OhNoZombies!

At this point in my life, and I just turned 40, I’ve come to the conclusion that ‘ol Jim Crow never exactly went away.
Locked in the basement maybe.

It appears that someone may have thrown him a set of picks through the tiny basement window. We may need to screw the door shut and put extra bolts on it.

161 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 7:30:06pm

My white privilege just allowed me to almost make a really thoughtless comment. At least I’m learning enough to delete it before hitting the post button. :/

162 CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2014 7:30:21pm

I’d been wanting to see the movie 12 Years a Slave. It went on sale last week so I bought it and downloaded it to my iPad, but now I can’t bring myself to watch it with all this shit going on. It makes me sick to my stomach. I think I’m gonna go get lost in a book or something. Later, lizards.

163 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:31:43pm

re: #162 CuriousLurker

I’d been wanting to see the movie 12 Years a Slave. It went on sale last week so I bought it and downloaded it to my iPad, but now I can’t bring myself to watch it with all this shit going on. It makes me sick to my stomach. I think I’m gonna go get lost in a book or something. Later, lizards.

Watch it. It’s a tremendous piece of art.

164 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 7:33:11pm
165 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 7:34:28pm

re: #160 austin_blue

It appears that someone may have thrown him a set of picks through the tiny basement window. We may need to screw the door shut and put extra bolts on it.

Can we kick his butt a little first?
And by a little, I mean a lot.

166 CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2014 7:34:32pm

re: #163 austin_blue

Watch it. It’s a tremendous piece of art.

I know it’s an awesome movie, but… no, I can’t. Not right now.

167 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:35:10pm

re: #164 Kragar

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I bet them cameras was set by homosexals to film the mens.

168 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Dec 3, 2014 7:35:14pm

re: #159 #FergusonFireside

I’ll bet 1 million Standard Galactic Credits that the spin is going to be that the rookie cop has been so thoroughly traumatized and shattered by what happened that it would just be cruel to put him through anymore harsh circumstances. We’re going to see to it that he gets the help he needs.

169 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:35:43pm

What the hell is he going to say? Burn it down.

170 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:36:06pm

re: #166 CuriousLurker

I know it’s an awesome movie, but… no, I can’t. Not right now.

I wouldn’t either.

171 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 7:36:27pm

re: #167 austin_blue

I bet them cameras was set by homosexals to film the mens.

I haven’t seen it either.

172 HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2014 7:36:39pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Crazy. I think I went to high school with him. Glad that they’re investigating it by the way.

173 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 7:37:10pm

re: #166 CuriousLurker

I know it’s an awesome movie, but… no, I can’t. Not right now.

Understood. {CL}

174 HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2014 7:37:56pm

I’m really glad to see DOJ investigating this. This is one reason why a Dem in the WH is much better than any GOPer.

175 #FergusonFireside  Dec 3, 2014 7:40:04pm
176 HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2014 7:44:05pm

But really the Garner case and several others like it are why I will never buy into “local is always better.” Just a total shame that there wasn’t even an indictment in this case. I am glad that Holder is getting involved though.

177 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 7:47:10pm

re: #171 OhNoZombies!

I haven’t seen it either.

Wait. That was about that slave movie that I won’t be watching anytime soon.
Oops!

178 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 7:49:05pm

I made one edit for clarification. Please, take a moment to read the page and let me know what you think:

179 HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2014 7:51:46pm

re: #178 Kragar

I made one edit for clarification. Please, take a moment to read the page and let me know what you think:

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I like it.

180 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 7:55:27pm

re: #178 Kragar

Sounds reasonable and prudent. It’ll never pass a GOP-controlled congress.

I like the idea. I’d sign the petition if it were started.

181 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 7:57:26pm

re: #180 teleskiguy

Sounds reasonable and prudent. It’ll never pass a GOP-controlled congress.

I like the idea. I’d sign the petition if it were started.

At the very least, I want to get it out there and make them go on record as to why they don’t want police to be held accountable.

182 The War TARDIS  Dec 3, 2014 8:02:08pm

Sorry to go off track, but I have been having a rough time. About 3 weeks ago, I got into a car accident, car was totaled. Meanwhile, after putting myself out there on Career Builder, I am getting a lot of sleazy looking offers. $9 an hour is not enough for everything. And I am worn out about the customers and coworkers.

I really, really need things to go easy for once.

183 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 8:02:14pm

re: #178 Kragar

I made one edit for clarification. Please, take a moment to read the page and let me know what you think:

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Done.

184 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 8:09:15pm

Dudebro senators be dudebro’in.

185 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 3, 2014 8:10:29pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

Dudebro senators be dudebro’in.

It’s the latest glibertarian meme. Taxes —> death.

186 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:10:44pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

Dudebro senators be dudebro’in.

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187 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 8:12:15pm

That actually brings up a question I have. When a pack of cigs is purchased at a store the taxes are paid. At that point, the cigs are owned by the person who bought them to do with as the person chooses. Right? What laws were broken here?

188 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 8:13:45pm

re: #166 CuriousLurker

I know it’s an awesome movie, but… no, I can’t. Not right now.

I’ve watched the movie, but haven’t yet been able to make myself read the book, although it’s been loaded on my kindle for months. I’ve been waiting for a time when I’m less sad and angry—not sure when that will be…

189 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:15:02pm

re: #187 allegro

That actually brings up a question I have. When a pack of cigs is purchased at a store the taxes are paid. At that point, the cigs are owned by the person who bought them to do with as the person chooses. Right? What laws were broken here?

They buy cigs out of state at a cheaper rate, then sell them in NY at a markup, but still cheaper than the taxed rate.

190 TedStriker  Dec 3, 2014 8:16:07pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

Oh great. That picture alone is getting the RWNJs in a nice frothy rage as we speak.

Good.

I would have loved to have for her public response to have been, “fuck you”…

191 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:16:55pm

re: #183 austin_blue

Done.

I tried to address your point. I admit, there are issue, but I’m not trying to craft a finished law, just provide a proposal for law makers to address.

192 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 8:17:20pm

re: #189 Kragar

They buy cigs out of state at a cheaper rate, then sell them in NY at a markup, but still cheaper than the taxed rate.

Is that what was happening though? I thought the guy was buying the cigs at a store and just selling them individually, one at a time. If that’s breaking a law, I’ve broken it a bunch of times. When I smoked, I often had a friend who ran out, smoked some of mine and laid a couple of bucks on me to cover the cost. Where’s the difference?

193 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 8:17:24pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

Dudebro senators be dudebro’in.

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So Rand and Dana Loesch are beating the same drum. How appropriate.

194 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:18:57pm

re: #192 allegro

Is that what was happening though? I thought the guy was buying the cigs at a store and just selling them individually, one at a time. If that’s breaking a law, I’ve broken it a bunch of times. When I smoked, I often had a friend who ran out, smoked some of mine and laid a couple of bucks on me to cover the cost. Where’s the difference?

There isn’t. Garner died for no fucking reason what so ever.

196 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:24:21pm
197 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 8:26:01pm

re: #196 Kragar

I didn’t see where he was resisting arrest…am I missing something?? I don’t even recall the cops telling him he was under arrest…???

198 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 8:26:32pm

re: #139 OhNoZombies!

We just finished having “The Conversation” with my fucking ten year old. It’s not the first time, ya know, a bit of a reminder about how to behave around the police.
Actually, we were a little more explicit this time because the notion that he was too young has been tossed in the bin.
I feel like throwing up.
I also want to throw a brick at something…

We had the talk with our autistic son last year after we found out undercover police in Riverside, Caifornia were going after autistic and developmentally disabled children in drug busts.

Will have another talk this weekend, I’m sure.

:(

199 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:28:51pm

re: #197 Jenner7

I didn’t see where he was resisting arrest…am I missing something?? I don’t even recall the cops telling him he was under arrest…???

Actually heard an asshole on the radio this evening say as soon as Gardener took a step back, the cops had no choice but to jump on him.

200 darthstar  Dec 3, 2014 8:29:20pm
201 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:30:17pm

re: #200 darthstar

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That is EXACTLY why you put lights on a palm tree.

202 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 8:30:44pm

re: #162 CuriousLurker

I’d been wanting to see the movie 12 Years a Slave. It went on sale last week so I bought it and downloaded it to my iPad, but now I can’t bring myself to watch it with all this shit going on. It makes me sick to my stomach. I think I’m gonna go get lost in a book or something. Later, lizards.

I watched it once.

I nearly got physically sick.

Will not watch it again. I just go back and watch Gravity again, so I can have a cry that makes me feel good instead of a cry that makes me feel horrible.

203 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 8:35:19pm

Oh FFS!

204 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 8:35:40pm

re: #192 allegro

Is that what was happening though? I thought the guy was buying the cigs at a store and just selling them individually, one at a time. If that’s breaking a law, I’ve broken it a bunch of times. When I smoked, I often had a friend who ran out, smoked some of mine and laid a couple of bucks on me to cover the cost. Where’s the difference?

You didn’t give another cut of the money to your local government.

Or something. Fuck if I know.

I guess buying a beer off of a buddy can get you killed now also.

A conservative (Charles Cooke) from National Review actually got it right today:

Seriously, can you imagine what Sam Fucking Adams would have said at the news that a man had been killed over cigarette taxes.

205 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 8:35:59pm

re: #191 Kragar

I tried to address your point. I admit, there are issues, but I’m not trying to craft a finished law, just provide a proposal for law makers to address.

I think there may be a bigger issue, and that is that DAs are tied so closely by the need for police testimony to get local convictions. It’s absolutely crucial.

So when a police shooting occurs, a DA is front-loaded to defend the policeman. The case in Ferguson is an extreme example. The DA, instead of presenting evidence, tried the the case in front of the GJ, including the testimony of the shooter, which is ridiculous. “I feared for my life.” That’s something that should be presented in court, not before a GJ. It perverts the system.

Perhaps what we should do in the case of police shootings is to appoint an impartial Judge to present the evidence, the basic facts, to the JG.

It should be an impartial presenter, with no political connection to the municipality of the JG, whose sole purpose is to present the fundamental facts: witness testimony, ballistics, &c.

I think that would go a long way to remove the conflict of interest inherent in the Grand Jury system as it exists today. The system we have is obviously not working. Bad cops are, literally, getting away with murder.

206 unproven innocence  Dec 3, 2014 8:37:03pm

I don’t know if this is exactly the same video (duration, etc) as at top of this thread, but I had problems trying to watch that one.
(FULL) Black Man KILLED After NYPD Cop Puts Him In CHOKEHOLD For Breaking Up a FIGHT (3:53)
Youtube Video

207 jaunte  Dec 3, 2014 8:37:48pm
208 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 8:42:01pm

re: #198 Aunty Entity Dragon

We had the talk with our autistic son last year after we found out undercover police in Riverside, Caifornia were going after autistic and developmentally disabled children in drug busts.

Will have another talk this weekend, I’m sure.

:(

W.T.F.
It’s sad. Nothing is shocking anymore.
{{hugs}}

209 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:42:29pm

re: #205 austin_blue

That is where point 1 and 2 come in. The FBI reviews the case and if it doesn’t hold up, the DoJ comes in. Every case would be looked at and if the locals were trying to cover anything up, the DoJ would be there from the beginning, not playing catch up weeks later.

210 bratwurst  Dec 3, 2014 8:44:23pm
211 jaunte  Dec 3, 2014 8:45:38pm
“…Officer Pantaleo was stripped of his gun and badge; he needs to be stripped of his job. He used forbidden tactics to brutalize a citizen who was not acting belligerently, posed no risk of flight, brandished no weapon and was heavily outnumbered.”
nytimes.com
212 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 8:46:22pm

re: #210 bratwurst

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Boom!
For the win.
Ding ding ding!!!

213 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 8:48:01pm

re: #208 OhNoZombies!

W.T.F.
It’s sad. Nothing is shocking anymore.
{{hugs}}

Hugs back.

Honestly, I am terrified for my own kid and I’m as Scottish northern barbarian white as you can get.

I remember playing with realistic toy guns as a kid in our neighborhood, and it never once crossed anyone’s mind that I or my siblings and friends might get shot by the police for doing what 12 year olds do. I never thought that the police might try to play on my social akwardness to get me to buy drugs.

This is insanity…and I am frightened.

214 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 8:48:14pm

re: #209 Kragar

That is where point 1 and 2 come in. The FBI reviews the case and if it doesn’t hold up, the DoJ comes in. Every case would be looked at and if the locals were trying to cover anything up, the DoJ would be there from the beginning, not playing catch up weeks later.

I’m just saying that the Feds would not have to come in so often if the system, as it exists, wasn’t so fucked up from the get go.

Clean it up from the bottom, and don’t rely on the Feds to intervene, which pisses all the locals off, after “the Municipal Grand Jury has spoken”.

215 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 8:49:57pm

re: #214 austin_blue

I’m just saying that the Feds would not have to come in so often if the system, as it exists, wasn’t so fucked up from the get go.

Clean it up from the bottom, and don’t rely on the Feds to intervene, which pisses all the locals off, after “the Municipal Grand Jury has spoken”.

There is no local incentive to clean the system if the system is working as designed.

216 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:50:08pm

re: #214 austin_blue

I’m just saying that the Feds would not have to come in so often if the system, as it exists, wasn’t so fucked up from the get go.

Clean it up from the bottom, and don’t rely on the Feds to intervene, which pisses all the locals off, after “the Municipal Grand Jury has spoken”.

My general opinion is the local cops and prosecutors can go and fuck themselves.

217 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 8:51:15pm

re: #215 Aunty Entity Dragon

There is no local incentive to clean the system if the system is working as designed.

THIS.

This is the whole reason the system needs Federal over sight.

218 Weet  Dec 3, 2014 8:53:58pm

Special prosecutors have to be appointed to handle potential police indictments. I don’t know what process it will require to make this happen, but this is what has to happen. Did you know that Cuomo could have appointed one?

Both Cuomo and Nixon have failed the Democratic Party.

14 Lawmakers Call For Special Prosecutor In Garner Death

219 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 8:56:22pm

re: #213 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hugs back.

Honestly, I am terrified for my own kid and I’m as Scottish northern barbarian white as you can get.

I remember playing with realistic toy guns as a kid in our neighborhood, and it never once crossed anyone’s mind that I or my siblings and friends might get shot by the police for doing what 12 year olds do. I never thought that the police might try to play on my social akwardness to get me to buy drugs.

This is insanity…and I am frightened.

It’s terrifying, but the way I see it is this:
Human beings have always had to defend our young from predators, it’s just that now they have guns, and some have badges instead of big teeth.
The best you can do is to try and outsmart them and keep your fingers crossed.
…and possibly give up on the idea of a good nights sleep.

220 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 8:56:51pm

re: #217 Kragar

THIS.

This is the whole reason the system needs Federal over sight.

We thought we got Officer Friendly.

Remember Citizen…a plea of innocence is guilty of wasting time.

Guilty.

221 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 8:58:01pm

re: #218 Weet

Special prosecutors have to be appointed to handle potential police indictments. I don’t know what process it will require to make this happen, but this is what has to happen. Did you know that Cuomo could have appointed one?

Both Cuomo and Nixon have failed the Democratic Party.

14 Lawmakers Call For Special Prosecutor In Garner Death

Fucking cowards.

222 jaunte  Dec 3, 2014 9:01:48pm
223 jaunte  Dec 3, 2014 9:02:47pm

That ‘outside pressure’ King feels must be logic and morality, trying to penetrate his thick skull.

224 Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2014 9:03:45pm

re: #213 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hugs back.

Honestly, I am terrified for my own kid and I’m as Scottish northern barbarian white as you can get.

I remember playing with realistic toy guns as a kid in our neighborhood, and it never once crossed anyone’s mind that I or my siblings and friends might get shot by the police for doing what 12 year olds do. I never thought that the police might try to play on my social akwardness to get me to buy drugs.

This is insanity…and I am frightened.

As far as toy guns go, I’d have to reply by saying that back when you played with them police didn’t face as much risk of getting shot on the job. Cops are suspicious, worrying about if they or someone else is going to get shot because some jerk decided to start killing people.

And that brings me to one other thing I think relevant when evaluating police reactions to toy guns as well as citizens reporting them: No one wants to be the person who failed to stop the next rampage shooting. So citizens will call in a kid playing with a what might be a gun, dispatchers will send cops with information that “someone’s waving a gun around”, and cops will roll in ready, perhaps too ready, to confront a threat. Everyone’s quick to jump because no one wants hesitate and then see horror unfold.

225 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 9:05:58pm

Mississippi doesn’t get a lot of things right. At least they’ve somewhat embraced their role in blues music.

226 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 9:07:01pm

re: #219 OhNoZombies!

It’s terrifying, but the way I see it is this:
Human beings have always had to defend our young from predators, it’s just that now they have guns, and some have badges instead of big teeth.
The best you can do is to try and outsmart them and keep your fingers crossed.
…and possibly give up on the idea of a good nights sleep.

And that is so very fucked up. I can’t imagine my little kidhood having been afraid to go to a friendly police officer if I needed help the way I was taught to. That just freaks me out. it’s indescribably wrong and evil.

227 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 9:07:19pm
228 Weet  Dec 3, 2014 9:09:28pm

re: #221 Aunty Entity Dragon

Fucking cowards.

You got that right. All I heard for the reason that Cuomo didn’t appoint one is that it was ‘political’. More politicians that only care about themselves. They should be booted from the Democratic Party.

229 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 9:09:47pm

re: #215 Aunty Entity Dragon

There is no local incentive to clean the system if the system is working as designed.

re: #216 Kragar

My general opinion is the local cops and prosecutors can go and fuck themselves.

re: #217 Kragar

THIS.

This is the whole reason the system needs Federal over sight.

That is my fundamental point. Unless we change the way evidence is presented to Grand Juries, nothing will change.

Krager, your post was about levels of violence. I believe it is misguided. It is all about levels of justice, and that is meted out at the local level where inherent conflicts of interest hold full sway.

That is what needs to change, and can be done with tweaks to how evidence is presented to Grand Juries and who presents that evidence. Local DAs should never present evidence to Grand Juries in the case of Police shootings, It should always be be presented by an impartial third party.

230 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 9:11:25pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

police didn’t face as much risk of getting shot on the job.

Sorry DF…but that is bullshit. Police work now is safer now then it was in the late 70’s. I was a white kid in a white neighborhood in one of the whitest towns in Southern California. We had one (1) black kid at Yucaipa High in 1981 (my freshmen year). I had no worries because my skin color and family income protected me.

cops will roll in ready, perhaps too ready, to confront a threat.

So….

The shooter in Aurora gets taken alive…the guy who shot Gabby Giffords get taken alive…but be a black guy shopping in Wal Mart while talkng on the phone and you are going to eat some fucking lead today because police want to go home safe…and fuck all the rest of you.

Be a kid with a toy in a park…and the police roll right the fuck up on top of you and blow you to kingdom fucking come before the car even comes to a full stop.

Because safety.

I don’t want to yell at you tonight DF. I like you and I don’t need this right now. I need a full tumbler of scotch.

231 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 9:16:00pm

re: #226 allegro

And that is so very fucked up. I can’t imagine my little kidhood having been afraid to go to a friendly police officer if I needed help the way I was taught to. That just freaks me out. it’s indescribably wrong and evil.

This is a part of American culture.

232 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 9:17:41pm

re: #230 Aunty Entity Dragon

Ah, I see Dark_Falcon regurgitating what he read in National Review. Par for the course, I guess.

233 allegro  Dec 3, 2014 9:18:28pm

We can also thank the NRA and goddamned right wing fear mongering asshole bigots, aka today’s Republican party… grrrr, I am so pissed right now.

234 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 3, 2014 9:18:32pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

You have some kind of filter in the way, interfering with our Javascript code. All of the problems you’ve reported recently are things that happen when Javascript isn’t running. And well, you’re in China, so remember… this is how they do.

So, I tried the VPN, and also got error 404. Here’s the link I see (punctuation removed)
littlegreenfootballs com LittleGreen1 timelines 540211653577416705

Is the link correct? And can anyone else access it? Thx

235 Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2014 9:18:51pm

re: #230 Aunty Entity Dragon

Point of order: The man who shot Ms. Giffords was subdued by civilians while trying to reload. He had already been disarmed and was down on the ground when police reached him. So that case doesn’t bear on this point because police were not involved in the takedown.

236 OhNoZombies!  Dec 3, 2014 9:19:59pm

Not tonight.
Time to go.
Night all.

237 BongCrodny  Dec 3, 2014 9:21:42pm

re: #230 Aunty Entity Dragon

Sorry DF…but that is bullshit. Police work now is safer now then it was in the late 70’s. I was a white kid in a white neighborhood in one of the whitest towns in Southern California. We had one (1) black kid at Yucaipa High in 1981 (my freshmen year). I had no worries because my skin color and family income protected me.

So….

The shooter in Aurora gets taken alive…the guy who shot Gabby Giffords get taken alive…but be a black guy shopping in Wal Mart while talkng on the phone and you are going to eat some fucking lead today because police want to go home safe…and fuck all the rest of you.

Be a kid with a toy in a park…and the police roll right the fuck up on top of you and blow you to kingdom fucking come before the car even comes to a full stop.

Because safety.

I don’t want to yell at you tonight DF. I like you and I don’t need this right now. I need a full tumbler of scotch.

FYI, a chart by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund shows that the years 2012 and 2013 had the fewest police deaths since 1959. That’s spiking up a little in 2014, but it’s still a significantly lower average than over the past 50 years.

Officer fatalities by year

238 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 9:23:01pm
239 jaunte  Dec 3, 2014 9:23:17pm

Police analyst Jim Cavanaugh, talking to Lawrence O’Donnell:

“…If you would just imagine if Officer Wilson in Ferguson had just taken a step back after the confrontation with the vehicle and after Michael Brown ran away. Just after he called for back-up that was 90 seconds away. Where was Michael Brown going to go? He’s going to the hospital, he’s been shot. He’s not going to Katmandu, on an airplane. You’re going to catch him. Just take a step back. In Mr Garner’s case, as well. When he put’s his hands like this it’s like “ok ok”, when they get on his back, take a step back. In the Cleveland case with the child, if you drive your car in like that if you have an escaped felon with a gun your dead, he’s going to shoot you as soon as you drive up. What kind of tactic is that?

So take a step back and be smart and we can police better than we’re doing.”

digbysblog.blogspot.com

240 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 9:23:52pm

Some hippy dippy levity.

Youtube Video

241 austin_blue  Dec 3, 2014 9:26:14pm

Sleep time! Sweet scaly dreams, all.

242 Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2014 9:26:41pm

re: #232 teleskiguy

Ah, I see Dark_Falcon regurgitating what he read in National Review. Par for the course, I guess.

Actually, the NRO piece I wanted to call the groups attention to was this one:

Fighting Bias with Bias
A widely circulated rebuttal to the UVA rape story is problematic in its own right.
By Ari N. Schulman

Note that this article is in support of the Rolling Stone piece’s writer, not against her. But there’s a meme out there now that her story is literally incredible, and Schulman makes clear why it is in fact credible.

243 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 9:26:52pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Point of order: The man who shot Ms. Giffords was subdued by civilians while trying to reload. He had already been disarmed and was down on the ground when police reached him. So that case doesn’t bear on this point because police were not involved in the takedown.

Sigh.

Being subdued doesn’t necessarily count if you have the wrong skin color or the wrong social status (read: homeless, mentally ill etc), DF.

Ask Oscar Grant…or Mr Garner for that matter. Ask the parents of the mentally ill kid here in NC who was shot point blank by a third officer as he was held down by two others. At least in that case…the officer got charged.

White mass shooters seem to get captured as often as not. Black men seem to get killed by police…at twenty (!) times the rate for white men.

How many orders of magnitude deviation is that?

244 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2014 9:27:25pm

re: #236 OhNoZombies!

Not tonight.
Time to go.
Night all.

I’m out.

245 Zamb  Dec 3, 2014 9:28:28pm

re: #207 jaunte

Not giving a shit about civil rights because you didn’t get enough praise for saying you support them doesn’t actually mean you ever supported them. It’s not a deeply held belief or conviction based on reason if you say fuck off because someone wasn’t nice to you, it means you just tell people you support the idea because want a prize for being a decent human being.

246 Jenner7  Dec 3, 2014 9:30:46pm

Speaking of levity, I can’t say enough how much I love The Newsroom….

247 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 9:32:48pm

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

Campus rape isn’t a thing! It’s all made up by a bunch of hussies! And teh Rolling Stone is a commie rag!

“Jackie,” the gal in the Rolling Stone piece, remains anonymous to this day. I don’t think she’s lying.

And fuck National Review with a big rubber dick sideways. They’re a great magazine for aggrieved fearful middle-aged white men.

248 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Dec 3, 2014 9:36:48pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

This would be a better argument if there were a rash of people gunning down open carry advocates strolling with a rifle. Because “the gun is strapped to my back properly” doesn’t make one *not* someone about to go on a rampage shooting.

The bullshit lies in the subjective, purposefully-movable goalpost of who’s a threat.

The fuckwit with the AR and the trilby in Texas? Not a threat. Because he has magic paper that makes his gun okay, in spite of his insane, anti-government statements and public profile as someone’s who hates cops and who’s trying to start shit…posturing, longing for a chance for manly violence.

And, you know, his entire fucking GANG of fellow posturing, violence pre-occupied fuckwits that he marches about with. Armed.

We don’t attach inherent criminality to his behavior, because white guy,

Contrast with the firearms-less men—and a child with a pellet gun—who’ve been killed recently. All of whom have been condemned as thuggish and therefore meriting death. It’s not enough that they died, we are told, we have to understand that they were destined for a summary execution because they were to-the-bone bad. None of them died because of stupid decisions on a bad day.

No, not everyone is saying that or agreeing with it, but its an idea with enough strength that Congressman and preachers proclaim it from their respective positions of authority.

When Trayvon Martin died, people pulled photos from his social media where he posed as a tough guy—flexing, giving the finger—and claimed that those photos demonstrated his inherent violence and criminality.

Trilby Fuckwit and his gang take a photo shoot’s worth of pictures in public with their Significant Rifled Others, and it’s not A Sign Of Their Social Menace.

Why isn’t there a SWAT team rolling up on them?

249 unproven innocence  Dec 3, 2014 9:38:43pm

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Assuming the usual punctuation, I get LGF’s classic lizard-with-stop-sign (page not found).

250 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 9:44:15pm

re: #222 jaunte

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Fuck Peter King and the horse he rode in on.

251 psddluva4evah  Dec 3, 2014 9:51:34pm

Good night.

Before I go though, just wanted to share the video from Jon Stewart tonight on the Daily Show. The show was taped right after the Eric Garner grand jury decision was announced.

Jon Stewart goes off on serious Garner case rant: ‘We’re definitely not living in a post-racial society’

“I don’t know,” Stewart confessed. “I honestly don’t know what to say. If comedy is tragedy plus time, I need more f*cking time. But I would really settle for less f*cking tragedy, to be honest with you.”

252 BeachDem  Dec 3, 2014 9:59:20pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Everyone’s quick to jump because no one wants hesitate and then see horror unfold.

And so the cops jump quickly and the horror that unfolds is a man being strangled for selling cigarettes…and a 12 year old child is murdered playing in the park…and a young man is mowed down in a Walmart…and on and on and on.

Maybe people shouldn’t be so fucking jumpy. Maybe the police should hesitate a little more and shoot a little less.

253 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 9:59:22pm

re: #251 psddluva4evah

I had to share Stewart’s (truncated) quote.

254 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 3, 2014 9:59:43pm

re: #249 unproven innocence

Assuming the usual punctuation, I get LGF’s classic lizard-with-stop-sign (page not found).

So it’s not just me. That’s reassuring.

255 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 10:01:23pm

re: #252 BeachDem

Maybe the police should hesitate a little more and shoot a little less.

Maybe the white police officers in largely black communities shouldn’t be so afraid of black people.

An idealistic thought, to be sure.

256 teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2014 10:37:47pm

Nite Lizards.

257 goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2014 10:42:12pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

As far as toy guns go, I’d have to reply by saying that back when you played with them police didn’t face as much risk of getting shot on the job.

Why do you say shit like this when it’s totally not true. In the modern era police officer deaths peaked between 1973 and 1974 at 275 and 280 dead respectively. There was a big spike in 2001 due to the 9/11 attacks, but otherwise policing is much safer today than it was when I was a child. In fact you have to go back to Prohibition Era to find a time more deadly for police officers than Nixon’s second term.

Is this just some kind of kneejerk rhetorical device you’ve learned to deploy because it feels true to you? Because it’s firmly rooted in abject ignorance.

258 goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2014 10:47:44pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

And that brings me to one other thing I think relevant when evaluating police reactions to toy guns as well as citizens reporting them: No one wants to be the person who failed to stop the next rampage shooting. So citizens will call in a kid playing with a what might be a gun, dispatchers will send cops with information that “someone’s waving a gun around”, and cops will roll in ready, perhaps too ready, to confront a threat. Everyone’s quick to jump because no one wants hesitate and then see horror unfold.

You conveniently dodge the racial aspect here. There’s plenty of evidence of white open carry advocates not being jumped by cops, and plenty of black people who the cops were all to eager and willing to throw down lethally with little or no reason. Are you prepared to try to explain and confront that or are you going to continue trying to avoid it?

259 goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2014 11:16:27pm
To start with, few police officers die in the line of duty. Since 1900, only 18,781 police officers have died from any work-related injury. That’s an average of 164 a year. In absolute terms, officer fatalities peaked in 1930 (during alcohol prohibition) at 297, spiking again in the 1970s before steadily declining since.

If you look at police fatalities adjusted for the U.S. population, the decline is even starker. 2013 was the safest year for American policing since 1875.

In 2013, out of 900,000 sworn officers, just 100 died from a job-related injury. That’s about 11.1 per 100,000, or a rate of 0.01%.

Policing doesn’t even make it into the top 10 most dangerous American professions. Logging has a fatality rate 11 times higher, at 127.8 per 100,000. Fishing: 117 per 100,000. Pilot/flight engineer: 53.4 per 100,000. It’s twice as dangerous to be a truck driver as a cop—at 22.1 per 100,000.

FYI Garbage collectors are number 5 on the list of the statistically deadliest jobs. Police in this country have done a very good job of frightening themselves, and conservatives love to amp up that fear and mythologize the profession as long as it results in the subjugation of minority populations.

260 Ace-o-aces  Dec 3, 2014 11:27:56pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

BREAKING GOATNEWS!!11!!!

Except real news sources reported this hours and hours ago (with photos!):

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I don’t think he understands the concept of “breaking” news.

261 Kragar  Dec 3, 2014 11:30:56pm

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

I don’t think he understands the concept of “breaking” news.

He certainly is breaking something.

262 HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2014 11:48:30pm

re: #252 BeachDem

And so the cops jump quickly and the horror that unfolds is a man being strangled for selling cigarettes…and a 12 year old child is murdered playing in the park…and a young man is mowed down in a Walmart…and on and on and on.

Maybe people shouldn’t be so fucking jumpy. Maybe the police should hesitate a little more and shoot a little less.

QFT. All three of these cases are ones that should have been resolved without someone dying.

263 palomino  Dec 3, 2014 11:49:26pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Point of order: The man who shot Ms. Giffords was subdued by civilians while trying to reload. He had already been disarmed and was down on the ground when police reached him. So that case doesn’t bear on this point because police were not involved in the takedown.

This actually supports the point he’s making. The Giffords shooter was subdued by civilians—not police—and no one got killed in the process.

As for facts, why not address the fact that the number of officers killed on the job has steadily dropped over the years? Which is the complete opposite of what you said above. As all violent crime has dropped, so has violent crime against cops. Why not do a simple fact check instead of letting your heavy bias in favor of the police convince you that statistics must be on your side?

264 HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2014 11:57:03pm

The simple fact of the matter is this. We have been able to capture alive individuals who have done mass shootings and murder. The police are capable of not going for the kill. There is literally no reason why Eric Garner had to die.

265 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 12:07:15am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

The simple fact of the matter is this. We have been able to capture alive individuals who have done mass shootings and murder. The police are capable of not going for the kill. There is literally no reason why Eric Garner had to die.

You are 100% correct. And that bullshit was 100% police.

In the cases of Tamir Rice and John Crawford, the chain of events began with somebody calling the cops about some “suspicious” activity. I’m not saying that nobody should ever call about suspicious activity, but I do think people should get a grip and, as I’ve said before, not see fucking monsters under every bed.

I would bet good money that the people who see every activity performed by “others” as suspicious are the same assholes who can tell you which grocery shoppers are using EBT cards and what groceries they’re buying with them. And who then follow those shoppers out to the parking lot to see what kind of car they’re driving.

266 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 12:11:19am

re: #265 BeachDem

You are 100% correct. And that bullshit was 100% police.

In the cases of Tamir Rice and John Crawford, the chain of events began with somebody calling the cops about some “suspicious” activity. I’m not saying that nobody should ever call about suspicious activity, but I do think people should get a grip and, as I’ve said before, not see fucking monsters under every bed.

I would bet good money that the people who see every activity performed by “others” as suspicious are the same assholes who can tell you which grocery shoppers are using EBT cards and what groceries they’re buying with them. And who then follow those shoppers out to the parking lot to see what kind of car they’re driving.

In both those situations, the cops opened fire within seconds of seeing a black man with what they thought was a gun.

There was no assessing the situation. There was no attempt at communication.

Anyone who says a white guy in a fedora and a real AK-47 would have been treated the same way in either incident is lying out their ass.

267 klystron  Dec 4, 2014 12:28:09am

I see it was a good evening for dropping completely baseless assertions, failing to respond to questions, and leaving an NRO link again.

268 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 12:29:45am

re: #266 Kragar

In both those situations, the cops opened fire within seconds of seeing a black man with what they thought was a gun.

There was no assessing the situation. There was no attempt at communication.

Anyone who says a white guy in a fedora and a real AK-47 would have been treated the same way in either incident is lying out their ass.

Ah yes, the lovely Kory Watkins—didn’t he just have a little run-in with the police just the other day?

And, another case in point, the Michigan drunk white guy in his pajamas who refuses to put down his rifle, calls the police gang members with a history of violence. Shoot him? Nope—they offer to take him home, don’t file any charges and give his gun back to him the next day.

But, as Charles Pierce often says—it’s not about race, because it’s never about race.

269 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 12:32:25am

re: #267 klystron

I see it was a good evening for dropping completely baseless assertions, failing to respond to questions, and leaving an NRO link again.

Well, it is a day ending in y.

270 klystron  Dec 4, 2014 12:34:17am

I made pulled pork for dinner tonight, for the first time.

It got the thumbs up all around. Leftovers in both the fridge and the freezer. I look forward to playing around with this recipe a LOT because I can see it being very useful and versatile.

271 Justanotherhuman  Dec 4, 2014 12:58:15am

Can’t sleep…

Freedom should be universal for everyone—even in the US.

272 freetoken  Dec 4, 2014 1:41:13am

MP3 Audio

273 Lidane  Dec 4, 2014 3:17:14am

*sigh*

274 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 4:07:50am

re: #273 Lidane

Everyone seems deadset on shifting blame and attention away from the cops and onto the victim and bystanders.

It’s like Judge Dredd was a documentary.

275 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 4:26:13am

re: #162 CuriousLurker

I’d been wanting to see the movie 12 Years a Slave. It went on sale last week so I bought it and downloaded it to my iPad, but now I can’t bring myself to watch it with all this shit going on. It makes me sick to my stomach. I think I’m gonna go get lost in a book or something. Later, lizards.

It’s very intense. There were moments when I had to pause the movie and go do something else. And I knew what was coming since I had already read the memoir.

276 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 4:26:53am

NASA TV

nasa.gov

277 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 4:29:12am

re: #202 Aunty Entity Dragon

I watched it once.

I nearly got physically sick.

Will not watch it again. I just go back and watch Gravity again, so I can have a cry that makes me feel good instead of a cry that makes me feel horrible.

I’m going to watch The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug Extended Edition.

278 Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2014 4:38:11am

re: #207 jaunte

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Proof yet again that when most white males talk about ‘civil rights’ and ‘freedom’ they’re really talking about power.

279 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 4:38:36am

re: #274 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Everyone seems deadset on shifting blame and attention away from the cops and onto the victim and bystanders.

It’s like Judge Dredd was a documentary.

Consider that some of the biggest shows on TV today are cop dramas. Just a watch through a few will net you 1 or more instances where a cop was “wrongly accused” and vindicated by the time the credits roll. Hell, just a few weeks ago, one of the stories on Blue Bloods was about a police detective nearly losing his job because a black teen had jumped out a window to avoid arrest and then declared the white cop had pushed him. The villain of the story? The black preacher who was bribing the only witness with expensive gifts because he wanted to see the detective (son of the police commissioner) either resign or fired from the force.

280 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 4:43:33am

re: #279 Targetpractice

Consider that some of the biggest shows on TV today are cop dramas. Just a watch through a few will net you 1 or more instances where a cop was “wrongly accused” and vindicated by the time the credits roll. Hell, just a few weeks ago, one of the stories on Blue Bloods was about a police detective nearly losing his job because a black teen had jumped out a window to avoid arrest and then declared the white cop had pushed him. The villain of the story? The black preacher who was bribing the only witness with expensive gifts because he wanted to see the detective (son of the police commissioner) either resign or fired from the force.

I had to stop watching NCIS: Los Angeles because every single freaking episode included a shootout in 1) an enclosed space like somebody’s house or office or 2) a public place with civilians everywhere. The bad guys are all shooting full auto weapons and the good guys have pistols but the laws of physics are ignored.

281 Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2014 4:44:24am

re: #222 jaunte

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Rep. King? What the fuck would you know about compassion?

282 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 4:44:49am
283 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 4:51:13am

re: #43 Lidane

Peter King on ‘Obese’EricGarner : ‘If You Can’t Breathe, You Can’t Talk’

Rep King is proof that if you are legally brain dead, you can still talk.

284 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 4:51:17am

re: #279 Targetpractice

Consider that some of the biggest shows on TV today are cop dramas. Just a watch through a few will net you 1 or more instances where a cop was “wrongly accused” and vindicated by the time the credits roll. Hell, just a few weeks ago, one of the stories on Blue Bloods was about a police detective nearly losing his job because a black teen had jumped out a window to avoid arrest and then declared the white cop had pushed him. The villain of the story? The black preacher who was bribing the only witness with expensive gifts because he wanted to see the detective (son of the police commissioner) either resign or fired from the force.

To be fair to Blue Bloods, there was a story last year where a probationary officer beat a suspect to death, his partner agreed to testify against him before a grand jury, they failed to indict, and the officer was fired.

An episode this year was a follow-up with officers refusing to serve as the testifying officer’s partner or back her up on calls.

285 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 4:52:34am

re: #282 The Vicious Fergushka

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I’m not sure what he means by that question. Yeah, it’s a return back to the pre-Shuttle formula, but that’s because that’s all you really need for manned spaceflight. In fact, had Nixon made a different call, we might have put a man on Mars in the 70s using equipment reworked from the Apollo program.

286 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 4:55:28am

Another hold on #Orion, wind…

287 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 4:56:01am
People wonder whether they can carry all sorts of things through airport security.

A ham sandwich? A hammer? A hamster? A hammock? A ham radio? Ham sandwiches from home?

The answer to each (yes, no, maybe, yes, yes, yes already) is dutifully catalogued in a growing database of some 3,500 entries that travelers can search on My TSA, the Transportation Security Administration’s mobile app.

The application is free and also lists average flight delays at airports, a traveler’s guide and crowd-sourced security line wait times, among other features. But the search tool titled “Can I Bring?” provides the greatest mix of usefulness and idle entertainment for those waiting somewhere, like in a security line.

hamptonroads.com

288 Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2014 4:56:33am

re: #285 Targetpractice

I’m not sure what he means by that question. Yeah, it’s a return back to the pre-Shuttle formula, but that’s because that’s all you really need for manned spaceflight. In fact, had Nixon made a different call, we might have put a man on Mars in the 70s using equipment reworked from the Apollo program.

My 24oz framing hammer seems low-tech, that’s why I always reach for my wife’s smartphone to drive a nail.

289 Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2014 4:58:27am

re: #265 BeachDem

You are 100% correct. And that bullshit was 100% police.

In the cases of Tamir Rice and John Crawford, the chain of events began with somebody calling the cops about some “suspicious” activity. I’m not saying that nobody should ever call about suspicious activity, but I do think people should get a grip and, as I’ve said before, not see fucking monsters under every bed.

I would bet good money that the people who see every activity performed by “others” as suspicious are the same assholes who can tell you which grocery shoppers are using EBT cards and what groceries they’re buying with them. And who then follow those shoppers out to the parking lot to see what kind of car they’re driving.

One crucial difference between the two cases, though: In the Crawford case the police had been fed false information by the dishonest man who had called 911 and then falsely reported that Crawford was acting in a threatening and crazy manner. In the Rice case the 911 caller was calm and honestly reported that Rice likely had a fake gun. That honesty should have kept Rice from getting killed, but because of a failure to communicate the situation to the cops responding coupled with the cops over-aggressive actions, Rice was shot and killed.

The Rice case is even more tragic than the Crawford case because 911 was given correct information and Rice still died.

290 Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2014 4:58:59am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Rep King is proof that if you are legally brain dead, you can still talk.

He’s in Congress, so that goes without saying.

291 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 4:58:59am

re: #284 Timothy Watson

To be fair to Blue Bloods, there was a story last year where a probationary officer beat a suspect to death, his partner agreed to testify against him before a grand jury, they failed to indict, and the officer was fired.

An episode this year was a follow-up with officers refusing to serve as the testifying officer’s partner or back her up on calls.

I was reading a TVTropes article titled “Misaimed Fandom” and one of the common elements in TV series involving cops was the reaction by fans to elements that we say we don’t support. Series writers and producers noted that man fans, particularly either serving or former cops, would express approval of the actions of crooked cops for “getting the job done,” while reviling cops who “ratted out” their partners for the illegal shit.

292 Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2014 4:59:56am

re: #280 The Vicious Fergushka

I had to stop watching NCIS: Los Angeles because every single freaking episode included a shootout in 1) an enclosed space like somebody’s house or office or 2) a public place with civilians everywhere. The bad guys are all shooting full auto weapons and the good guys have pistols but the laws of physics are ignored.

Sounds like NCIS: Los Angeles has borrowed a page from The A Team.

293 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 5:02:30am

re: #280 The Vicious Fergushka

I had to stop watching NCIS: Los Angeles because every single freaking episode included a shootout in 1) an enclosed space like somebody’s house or office or 2) a public place with civilians everywhere. The bad guys are all shooting full auto weapons and the good guys have pistols but the laws of physics are ignored.

Did they manage to stop the Russians from hijacking their drones and extracting Edward Snowden after landing a G-5 on a city street (or whatever that outrageously stupid plot was for one episode)?

Also:
DRONES!!1!

294 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 5:06:47am

re: #293 Timothy Watson

Did they manage to stop the Russians from hijacking their drones and extracting Edward Snowden after landing a G-5 on a city street (or whatever that outrageously stupid plot was for one episode)?

Also:
DRONES!!1!

The only reason I watched NCIS: LA was for Linda Hunt, and that other little short girl, but not even they can save it now.

295 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 5:10:05am

re: #294 The Vicious Fergushka

The only reason I watched NCIS: LA was for Linda Hunt, and that other little short girl, but not even they can save it now.

Yeah, I gave up on the original NCIS a long time, by the time the Los Angeles premiered I had gotten to the point where I actively disliked the franchise.

296 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 5:11:19am

The Intercept is spamming some shit about HURR HURR CORPORATIONS IS BEING SPIED ON!!!!11!!!! while totally ignoring that corporations capture way more of your personal information than NSA’s wildest imaginations.

297 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 5:15:27am

re: #294 The Vicious Fergushka

The only reason I watched NCIS: LA was for Linda Hunt, and that other little short girl, but not even they can save it now.

That’s like how I stopped watching CSI when William Peterson left the series and Gary Dourdan was fired from it within the same season. The series had already started to fray by that time in my opinion, but when they wrote one of my favorite characters out of the series shortly after killing another, that was it for me.

298 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 4, 2014 5:17:49am

re: #282 The Vicious Fergushka

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Because it is low tech because we as a nation refuse to fund NASA appropriately.

299 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 5:18:31am

re: #298 William Barnett-Lewis

Because it is low tech because we as a nation refuse to fund NASA appropriately.

Because Free Market…

300 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 5:21:18am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because Free Market…

The Free Market’s only produced a few commercial alternatives so far, and only one of those is more complex than a capsule…and sadly, we all saw the flaws in that approach last month.

301 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 5:21:44am

THIS IS WHAT AN EVIL RACIST DOUCHNOZZLE LOOKS LIKE==>

302 Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2014 5:23:04am

re: #298 William Barnett-Lewis

Because it is low tech because we as a nation refuse to fund NASA appropriately.

The shuttle was high-tech. I’d rather ride this.

(It’s decades late because of the funding, but its profile is just a product of the mission physics. This is not your Uncle’s Apollo.)

303 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 5:23:28am

Stopped following Bob Cesca due to tweeting articles from behind a paywall.

304 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 5:24:17am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

The shuttle was high-tech. I’d rather ride this.

(It’s decades late because of the funding, but its profile is just a product of the mission physics. This is not your Uncle’s Apollo.)

True that. For one thing, this baby is designed to carry up to seven, four more than Apollo could carry on a good day.

305 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 5:24:45am

re: #301 The Vicious Fergushka

THIS IS WHAT AN EVIL RACIST DOUCHNOZZLE LOOKS LIKE==>

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Right, because asthma is something someone chooses to have. Thank God conservatives want to do something about inadequate medical care and obesity too.

306 Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2014 5:24:46am

re: #298 William Barnett-Lewis

Because it is low tech because we as a nation refuse to fund NASA appropriately.

I dispute that. It’s low tech because for government lower tech is often better. High tech with government has a far-too-high probability of ending up late, over-budget and non-functional. By staying away from the cutting edge, NASA can at least build serviceable spacecraft while also serving in its contractor-cash-cow role.

307 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 4, 2014 5:25:35am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because Free Market…

The X 33/VentureStar shouldn’t have been cancelled.

308 Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2014 5:25:45am

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

I dispute that. It’s low tech because for government lower tech is often better. High tech with government has a far-too-high probability of ending up late, over-budget and non-functional. By staying away from the cutting edge, NASA can at least build serviceable spacecraft while also serving in its contractor-cash-cow role.

F-35 much?

309 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 5:26:03am
310 Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2014 5:26:24am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

F-35 much?

+1 for the well-made point.

And I’m out to work. BBL

311 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 5:28:03am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

F-35 much?

Good point, but it does help when you have military contractors pushing Congress to fund programs, NASA contractors don’t have the same amount of money to throw at politicians.

312 Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2014 5:28:52am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

Good point, but it does help when you have military contractors pushing Congress to fund programs, NASA contractors don’t have the same amount of money to throw at politicians.

Should have contracted the cup-holders to a Rhode Island plant.

313 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 4, 2014 5:30:51am

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

I dispute that. It’s low tech because for government lower tech is often better. High tech with government has a far-too-high probability of ending up late, over-budget and non-functional. By staying away from the cutting edge, NASA can at least build serviceable spacecraft while also serving in its contractor-cash-cow role.

Only the government can afford to pay to create new high tech. By your argument we should still be using POTS teletype for Internet rather than having funded TCP/IP over that newfangled Ethernet.

314 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 5:31:44am

re: #307 William Barnett-Lewis

The X 33/VentureStar shouldn’t have been cancelled.

It was cancelled for the same reason its predecessor, the X-30 was cancelled, namely the technology to make it feasible just didn’t exist and wouldn’t without years more of development and testing, which is expensive and thus toxic to politicians if its not going towards a defense contract.

315 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 5:32:25am
316 Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2014 5:36:53am

re: #307 William Barnett-Lewis

The X 33/VentureStar shouldn’t have been cancelled.

re: #314 Targetpractice

It was cancelled for the same reason its predecessor, the X-30 was cancelled, namely the technology to make it feasible just didn’t exist and wouldn’t without years more of development and testing, which is expensive and thus toxic to politicians if its not going towards a defense contract.

A former boss was an acquisition manager on this. He loved it, but it was a hungry bear.

Youtube Video

317 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 5:38:06am

Hell, the only reason the STS existed was because NASA managed to secure Air Force funding for the project on the promise that it would allow them to have a space platform that could be launched on short notice, perform a mission, land at an air base with minutes to hours of finishing its mission, and be readied for a new mission in hours to days. They pulled out of the program when the realized it was never going to accomplish half those goals and microchips meant the same job could be done with a constellation of satellites instead.

318 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 5:39:04am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Should have contracted the cup-holders to a Rhode Island plant.

Heh, reminds me of a thing in one my political science books back when I working on my bachelor’s degree: The B-1 Lancer was made in 49 different states while the Boeing 747 was made in two.

319 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 5:40:00am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Should have contracted the cup-holders to a Rhode Island plant.

The Mark XIV holder tends to be deeper than spec.
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320 Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2014 5:42:19am

re: #318 Timothy Watson

Heh, reminds me of a thing in one my political science books back when I working on my bachelor’s degree: The B-1 Lancer was made in 49 different states while the Boeing 747 was made in two.

That’s not a dirty secret—it’s a teaching point at Defense Acquisition University.

321 Belafon  Dec 4, 2014 5:43:02am

William Barnett-Lewis
At the same time, should every helicopter the government uses be converted to an Osprey?

322 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 5:43:56am

re: #294 The Vicious Fergushka

The only reason I watched NCIS: LA was for Linda Hunt, and that other little short girl, but not even they can save it now.

Do you mean the techie girl? I like her, too. She reminds me of the female member of the Sliders team.

But NCIS: LA has not otherwise held my interest. I watched the first season, got through part of the second, and let the franchise slip away from sight.

The New Orleans series is more appealing, because I like to hear the southern accents. The Alabama character is played by an actor who really is from Alabama, and Scott Bakula (from Missouri) manages a halfway convincing “N’awlens” accent. Close enough for me, anyway. Better than Cote de Pablo’s Israeli accent, anyway.

I still catch NCIS: TOS from time to time, but the character dynamics have changed for the worse since de Pablo left. It’s just meh now.

323 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 5:49:11am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Do you mean the techie girl? I like her, too. She reminds me of the female member of the Sliders team.

But NCIS: LA has not otherwise held my interest. I watched the first season, got through part of the second, and let the franchise slip away from sight.

The New Orleans series is more appealing, because I like to hear the southern accents. The Alabama character is played by an actor who really is from Alabama, and Scott Bakula (from Missouri) manages a halfway convincing “N’awlens” accent. Close enough for me, anyway. Better than Cote de Pablo’s Israeli accent, anyway.

I still catch NCIS: TOS from time to time, but the character dynamics have changed for the worse since de Pablo left. It’s just meh now.

I liked Ziva but De Pablo’s accent was horrible. There are also many horrible “generic Russian gangster” fake accents and the Greek terrorist from the drone episode also had a “generic Russian” accent.

Daniela Ruah does a pretty good “All-American girl” accent. She is actually a native Portuguese speaker.

324 Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2014 5:51:28am

Got to start the day. Yesterday was the most beautiful weather of the year, and most of this week is the same. Got to finish my outside Christmas tree light sculptures for the kids. BBL.

(Don’t hate us—we pay for it in spades in July and August.)

325 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 5:52:23am

re: #323 The Vicious Fergushka

I liked Ziva but De Pablo’s accent was horrible. There are also many horrible “generic Russian gangster” fake accents and the Greek terrorist from the drone episode also had a “generic Russian” accent.

Daniela Ruah does a pretty good “All-American girl” accent. She is actually a native Portuguese speaker.

Yeah, she manages to sound middle American convincingly.

Ruah is also easy on the eyes. She’s not as convincing as de Pablo at being a kickass agent, though. Her reaction times are a bit slow, but hey, it’s just a TV show.

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 6:05:49am

Good Morning Lizards. Sun visible today in Philly as compared to yesterday’s mist, drizzle, and rain. Can see a Feline Overlord from the windows at work even.

About to go get 2nd cup of coffee and start the morning gauntlet of meetings.

327 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 6:09:40am

re: #326 Feline Fearless Leader

Good Morning Lizards. Sun visible today in Philly as compared to yesterday’s mist, drizzle, and rain. Can see a Feline Overlord from the windows at work even.

About to go get 2nd cup of coffee and start the morning gauntlet of meetings.

Monthly faculty meetings and department meetings are a thing of the past for me now, for which I am grateful. Foreign teachers in China are in our own little world, free from the usual duties of the local teachers.

You have my sympathies.

328 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 6:12:30am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Monthly faculty meetings and department meetings are a thing of the past for me now, for which I am grateful. Foreign teachers in China are in our own little world, free from the usual duties of the local teachers.

You have my sympathies.

I teach English in Germany, free lance, mostly for one agency. They have non-mandatory meetings that are useful and informational, I make an effort to attend.

329 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 6:25:20am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I teach English in Germany, free lance, mostly for one agency. They have non-mandatory meetings that are useful and informational, I make an effort to attend.

The meetings here are conducted in Chinese, and my co-workers dread them. The most useful ones are at the beginning and end of each term. The others are just procedural BS.

Our dean and vice dean are not to blame. They have their marching orders. Education administration in China is very top down. Fortunately, the party secretary in charge of our college is an easy going guy. He just lets the faculty do their thing.

330 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 6:26:00am

So this happened:

331 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 6:26:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Still can’t get over the failure to indict the cop in Eric Garner’s death, but not surprised. Nor am I surprised at the reactions from people like Peter King or Rand Paul, who think that it is in turns, the fault of Eric Garner himself, or that taxes are too high.

They just have to ignore the not so insignificant bit about how the cop used an illegal chokehold to take Garner down. It’s illegal under NYPD policy. Some, like Hannity are claiming that it wasn’t a chokehold; heck there are some cops who are trying to make similar claims.

What part of the hand around Garner’s neck, under the chin and bending Garner back til the cop causes them to fall on the ground is not a chokehold. It was meant to subdue Garner, and that’s despite Garner complaining the entire time that he was having trouble breathing.

The video is a snuff film. I understand the need to watch it to see what the cops did, but in the end, this is still watching the death of Eric Garner.

Meanwhile, I’m seeing how some media outlets are describing Garner’s wife’s comments in response to the cop’s apologetic statement. Some called it rage (or lashes out).

I would say it’s far closer to righteous indignation. She was totally in control of herself at all times. She was coherent, rational, and logical.

But by describing her comments as rage (or lashes out), these outlets demean her and not so subtly shift the discussion.

Because at the end, Garner’s case is still about racism in the country.

And if the GOP and right wing think that taxes or the person’s own health was the result of an officer-involved shooting or excessive force incident resulting in the person’s death, then what to make of Tamir Rice?

At every step in that case, the local police in Cleveland and the officers involved lied about what happened. The video tells a totally different story.

Yet I doubt we’d see an indictment there either.

Because if the prosecutor isn’t interested in prosecuting cops, then the grand juries sure as heck aren’t. That’s what we saw with the failure to indict Eric Garner’s killer. That’s what we saw with Darren Wilson who killed Michael Brown. Video isn’t going to be enough. There will be people who excuse all behavior by cops, no matter how illegal and excessive it is.

That’s what has to change. The law has to change. The presumptions for the use of deadly force have to change. How we make sure that cops are brought to justice for their actions must change. The grand jury and prosecutorial system is set up to excuse all police indiscretions, up to and including the shooting deaths of innocent people. All a cop needs to say is that they felt they were in fear for their life, and that’s a get out of indictment card (collect $200 and retain your job). So even when video shows no such thing, prosecutors aren’t indicting cops.

Even when medical examiners call the cause of death a homicide.

Even when fellow cops testify that the actions were in violation of stated policy.

Even when all the evidence is sufficient for an indictment, grand juries appear to play trial jury and think that the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt - a poor reflection on the prosecutors who should be guiding the jury to understand that this is about whether the acts and evidence is sufficient to take to trial. It’s a totally different evidenciary standard, and yet prosecutors and the grand juries are playing fast and loose when it comes to law enforcement cases.

One has to wonder how these same people would respond to evidence if it was presented in the same fashion as a non-law enforcement homicide case. They’d be handing down indictments as fast as you can possibly imagine. There’d be little disagreement over whether there was sufficient grounds to indict.

Here, we can’t even get a grand jury to indicate that a cop engaged in reckless endangerment for using an illegal chokehold.

332 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 6:31:50am

re: #330 Franklin

Nope, that’s not a parody account. That’s the same County Police that repeatedly violated the civil rights of protesters and journalists in the days and weeks after the Ferguson PD and STL County Prosecutor refused to give basic information about the case.

This is the same county police that aimed loaded sniper rifles at protesters in order to intimidate the protesters.

This is the same county police who incited the protesters by firing off tear gas, showing up in riot gear, and riding through town in an overt display of force and detaining journalists who were doing their jobs in private businesses where those businesses had no problems with the journalists doing their jobs.

333 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 6:34:08am

re: #331 lawhawk

When people have this notion that crime is rampant and their safety and well being is threatened by sinister forces, they are willing to give the police free rein to “stop crime.” Mistrust of “dark skinned” people is a large part of it, but the over-dramatizations of murders on TV serials, the breathless shocker! reporting on the nightly news, and the RW fearmongering just add fuel to the fire.

334 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 4, 2014 6:35:46am

re: #331 lawhawk

Asking for or demanding change from a city admin.
“Hands Up, Don’t Shoot”, “No Justice No Peace”. “I Can’t Breathe”

Forcing change upon a city admin.
No Justice, No Re election.

No Justice No Budget.

This should be a thing.

335 Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2014 6:36:26am

re: #277 The Vicious Fergushka

I’m going to watch The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug Extended Edition.

I thought that was just called “The Hobbit”…

336 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 6:37:05am

I think it’s time to reclaim the word ‘hero’ when talking about LEOs, since so many of them are not worthy of the title.

In the wake of 9/11, we were told again and again and again that all law enforcement and all first responders and all military were heroes, deserving of our fawning respect and thanks, mostly for showing up at their jobs.

This is clearly not the case. And a lot of bad cops and bad soldiers (Allen West, anyone?) are getting to skate on bad behavior, because the public perception is that they are heroes - whether or not their conduct tells us differently.

We’ve put these people on a pedestal, and we’ve arrived at the point where bad cops and dishonest DAs are clearly taking advantage, and anyone who points out that these people are not acting heroically is branded as being ‘anti-cop.’

Fuck that. I’m anti-bad-cop, and for truth in advertising. Tony Pantaleo is not a hero, and should not be treated as one.

337 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 6:37:16am

The launch was a scrub, so enjoy this double barreled shrimp cooking canon instead:

Youtube Video

338 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 6:37:34am

re: #335 Mike Lamb

I thought that was just called “The Hobbit”…

It was at one point, but then Peter Jackson decided to milk it for a trilogy…

339 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 6:38:41am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It was at one point, but then Peter Jackson decided to milk it for a trilogy…

Or the studio told him to milk it into a trilogy.

340 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 6:41:31am

re: #339 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Or the studio told him to milk it into a trilogy.

Smaug gets in your eyes…

341 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 6:43:44am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Smaug gets in your eyes…

Updinged for the pun.

The Hobbit trilogy keeps dragon on.

342 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 6:44:28am

re: #335 Mike Lamb

I thought that was just called “The Hobbit”…

Peter Jackson is dragging it out longer than LOTR.

343 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 6:45:05am

re: #333 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

The perception of safety and the reality are two separate and distinct things. NYC is on pace to have about 300 homicides this year. Total. Back in the 1980s, there were nearly 2,000.

There are more people living and working in NYC today than in the 1980s, and far fewer homicides. The strides in safety are extraordinary.

The police rightfully should take credit for some of that improvement. But giving police wide latitude and complete immunity from wrongdoing is also wrong. They have to be held accountable when they engage in criminal acts. Unlawful shootings, excessive force cases, need to be prosecuted. It shouldn’t be a triumph just to get an indictment. For some people, they think cops can do no wrong.

Yet, I can simultaneously honor and respect cops who think nothing to rush into a dangerous situation to rescue people (like say on 9/11) and demand prosecutions and convictions for unlawful killings when cops use excessive force to kill unarmed men - especially when those acts are caught on video. Justice needs to be applied to everyone. Not just black men who are arrested, but the cops who ignore department policy, have itchy trigger fingers, and shoot first and don’t ask any questions later.

Equal justice under the law. It’s not just aspirational / wishful thinking (though for the black community, it’s just that). It’s not just some words uttered by some dead white guys generations ago.

It’s words that people who do seek justice want everyone to live by.

Police are accorded wide latitude to do their jobs, and have the authority to use deadly force when circumstances warrant. But with that power, they need to face the consequences when the circumstances show that they exceeded the authority vested in them. And to do that, we need to change how the criminal justice system handles these cases.

344 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 4, 2014 6:49:02am

Morning all…

Going to be a rainy, sleepy day at school today. 36 degrees and light rain through the day here in Central KY

All this Social Justice is messing up the amount of sleep I can get at night.// Have watched so much livestream video, actively reading Twitter, and of course here at LGF. Of course my sleep is on nowhere near the real concern here.

No Justice, No Peace
No Justice, No Sleep.

345 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 6:49:13am

re: #343 lawhawk

No argument from me there. As long as cops are not held accountable for their errors, there will be no “brake” on future violations. Shoot a kid? No problem; he was carrying something that looked like a gun. Choke an old guy to death? No problem; he was resisting arrest. Shoot a big guy in the back while he flees the scene? No problem; he was big and I feared for my life.

The fact that all three victims were African-American is, of course, purely coincidental.
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346 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 6:49:39am

re: #343 lawhawk

The perception of safety and the reality are two separate and distinct things. NYC is on pace to have about 300 homicides this year. Total. Back in the 1980s, there were nearly 2,000.

And by comparison, Boston had 40 homicides in 2013.

For perspective:

Land area
Boston: 48.28 square miles
New York: 302.64 square miles

Population
Boston: 625,087
New York: 8,244,910

People per square mile
Boston: 12,947
New York: 27,243

Not sure how accurate these stats are, but they are from this Globe article in 2012

347 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 6:56:55am

re: #346 Franklin

And by comparison, Boston had 40 homicides in 2013.

For perspective:

Not sure how accurate these stats are, but they are from this Globe article in 2012

Homicides get reported in the news. People read the news, and assume NYC (or wherever) is a dangerous place. They don’t stop to think one homicide every day or two in a city of 19 million is not that worrisome. Even during the bad old days of the 1970s I never feared for my life while visiting the City. I just knew which places and which situations to avoid.

348 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 7:00:47am

re: #346 Franklin

So far in NYC, there have been 286 homicides (though I think that doesn’t count the Garner death, nor those of other officer-involved shootings).

That’s roughly a 4 per 100,000 (which is a per capita rate). Boston’s per capita rate is significantly higher.

In 1990, 2,262 murders.
In 1993: 1,927
In 1998: 629
In 2001: 649 (excepting the 9/11 attacks, which were classified as homicides)
In 2013: 335

For total crimes, in 1990, there were more than 500,000 crimes reported.

In 2013 to date, we’re talking about 111,000. That’s nearly 80% fewer crimes. Murder is down 85%.

349 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:02:12am

I’m not Googling this because apparently it is graphic & NSFW but can anyone tell me what this Magical Fairy is balancing?

350 Belafon  Dec 4, 2014 7:03:04am

wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

The fact that all three victims were African-American is, of course, purely coincidental.

Except the number of white people shot in the same situation has been near zero.

351 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 7:03:25am

re:
#349

do the google yourself I don’t have time to do all the google research for you!!!!1111

352 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 7:03:28am

re: #348 lawhawk

So far in NYC, there have been 286 homicides (though I think that doesn’t count the Garner death, nor those of other officer-involved shootings).

That’s roughly a 4 per 100,000 (which is a per capita rate). Boston’s per capita rate is significantly higher.

In 1990, that was 2,262
In 1993: 1,927
In 1998: 629
In 2001: 649 (excepting the 9/11 attacks, which were classified as homicides)
In 2013: 335

For total crimes, in 1990, there were more than 500,000 crimes reported.

In 2013 to date, we’re talking about 111,000. That’s nearly 80% fewer crimes. Murder is down 85%.

Absolutely. Based on my napkin math, Boston has ~8% the population as NYC yet 13% of the murders.

353 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 7:03:28am
354 sagehen  Dec 4, 2014 7:04:25am

re: #349 The Vicious Fergushka

I’m not Googling this because apparently it is graphic & NSFW but can anyone tell me what this Magical Fairy is balancing?

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A mentally ill scruffy homeless guy in Fullerton CA, beaten to death by cops on a public street.

355 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 7:04:26am

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

As far as toy guns go, I’d have to reply by saying that back when you played with them police didn’t face as much risk of getting shot on the job. Cops are suspicious, worrying about if they or someone else is going to get shot because some jerk decided to start killing people.

Morning.

I see Dark was busy last night, and a bit this morning. I scrolled through this thread quickly so I may have missed someone raising a point I am going to make to the bold type highlight in Dark’s comment from last night.

Dark, why don’t you mention the real reason the cops of today face increased risks as you claim.

There are more and more guns* on the streets and since we do not have any forms of gun control, there are issues with that ALL people face…not just cops. Maybe you don’t mention that because you are a gun lover and usually shy away on gun control.

* Back when I was young and had toy guns, there were not automatic pistols, AKs and Uzi’s and all that. There were hunting guns and at most revolvers. Increase the amount of guns and make them more efficient and lethal and the cops and everyone are way more scared of the slightest thing getting out of control.

That’s my contribution for now. I am still too numb from the past few days of this ‘news’ and I am out of gas as to what to say. Plus, I get the feeling nothing anyone says is going to matter any way. I am at total frustration level 100 and the meter just broke last night.

356 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:07:06am

re: #354 sagehen

A mentally ill scruffy homeless guy in Fullerton CA, beaten to death by cops on a public street.

Oh, OK so homeless white guys get treated the same as regular black guys. Gotcha.

357 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 7:07:32am

re: #349 The Vicious Fergushka

It was a white man who was beaten and killed by police.

re: #349 The Vicious Fergushka

358 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 7:07:53am

re: #349 The Vicious Fergushka

I’m not Googling this because apparently it is graphic & NSFW but can anyone tell me what this Magical Fairy is balancing?

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The only similarity between those instances I see, is police brutality. Doesn’t mean racism didn’t play a part in any or all of the Eric Garner case. And the office who subdued Garner with the banned choke hold had been previously investigated for racially motivated misconduct:

Pantaleo was sued twice in the past for alleged racially motivated misconduct while on the job. Two black men accused him in 2012 of subjecting them to an illegal strip search in broad daylight. Pantaleo purportedly “tapped” each man’s testicles during the search, which he claimed was a bid to discover any contraband, the Daily News reported. The suit was settled last January.

In a second lawsuit, a man named Rylawn Walker accused a group of NYPD officers that included Pantaleo of arresting him despite the fact that he was “committing no crime at the time and was not acting in a suspicious manner” and of including misleading data on a police report to justify the arrest, the Staten Island Advance reported. Charges against the man were ultimately dismissed.

Source: ibtimes.com

359 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 7:08:01am

re: #330 Franklin

360 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:08:46am

I think televised Trial By Combat To The Death is better.

361 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 7:09:20am

re: #359 lawhawk

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Wow. Such professionalism.

362 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 4, 2014 7:10:00am

re: #354 sagehen

A mentally ill scruffy homeless guy in Fullerton CA, beaten to death by cops on a public street.

One white person killed by cops = All of the black people killed by cops.
Conservative math at its finest.

363 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 7:13:16am

re: #346 Franklin

And by comparison, Boston had 40 homicides in 2013.

For perspective:

Not sure how accurate these stats are, but they are from this Globe article in 2012

Wow. Reading your comment made me check something. Good ol’ Columbus is larger than Boston. And Detroit. That just amazes me. Here we are in the rust belt, and we keep growing. Thanks to research, technology, computers, distribution, education and insurance. All since the early 70s.

When I was a kid and used to listen to CKLW for Motown and other popular AM radio, Detroit was like the 5th largest city in America. Boston was up there too.

How things change.

364 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:13:24am
365 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 7:13:31am

re: #362 Higgs Boson’s Mate

One white person killed by cops = All of the black people killed by cops.
Conservative math at its finest.

Ayep. He digs back 3 years for one controversial case of a homeless white man being beaten to death by cops, and says that it weighs the same as Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, & John Crawford. This is like responding to the 4 cops getting let go for beating Rodney King by saying “But hey, they let OJ off too!” Unfucking believable.

366 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:15:46am

re: #363 ObserverArt

Wow. Reading your comment made me check something. Good ol’ Columbus is larger than Boston. And Detroit. That just amazes me. Here we are in the rust belt, and we keep growing. Thanks to research, technology, computers, distribution, education and insurance. All since the early 70s.

When I was a kid and used to listen to CKLW for Motown and other popular AM radio, Detroit was like the 5th largest city in America. Boston was up there too.

How things change.

CKLW was a Canadian station, also broadcast on TV. I remember the “Wayne & Schuster Comedy Hour” they were like a real-life “Terrance & Philip” without the farts and swear words and were actually quite funny.

367 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 7:19:19am

“4 black men and teens killed by cops under questionable circumstances.”

“So what? A homeless white guy got killed back in 2011! It happens to everyone equally! What do you have to make this about race?!”

368 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 7:21:12am

re: #366 The Vicious Fergushka

CKLW was a Canadian station, also broadcast on TV. I remember the “Wayne & Schuster Comedy Hour” they were like a real-life “Terrance & Philip” without the farts and swear words and were actually quite funny.

Yep…out of Windsor. But they were Detroit to us kids in north central Ohio…and at one time one of the most powerful AM stations going.

The fact that I was a car nut and Henry Ford was a god to my father, I always had a lot of love for MoTown/Motor City.

369 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:21:48am

re: #368 ObserverArt

Yep…out of Windsor. But they were Detroit to us kids in north central Ohio…and at one time one of the most powerful AM stations going.

The fact that I was a car nut and Henry Ford was a god to my father, I always had a lot of love for MoTown/Motor City.

:)

370 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 7:23:08am

re: #356 The Vicious Fergushka

Oh, OK so homeless white guys get treated the same as regular black guys. Gotcha.

Race is absolutely a factor.

That being said…class/income is also in play, and working class whites, poor whites…and increasingly middle class whites are beginning to find out what black people have been complaining about ever since Plessy V Ferguson.

This story here, of a white Air Force colonel who flew and fought in three wars is illustrative of how police brutality and lawlessness has crept into the American mainstream since nobody did anything to stop it back when it was just “cops keeping the negroes in line”.

If you really want nightmares…google “Robin Pratt raid”. Utterly horrific, and of course, the cop is still on the street 20 years after machine gunning a kneeling, unarmed housewife who was begging that her daughter and niece not be harmed.

371 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 7:24:37am

re: #367 Targetpractice

“4 black men and teens killed by cops under questionable circumstances.”

“So what? A homeless white guy got killed back in 2011! It happens to everyone equally! What do you have to make this about race?!”

White people are starting to notice becasue it is happening to them now. They/we just didn’t care back when it was only black people getting the nightstick and the bullet in the back of the head.

372 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 7:25:24am

re: #364 The Vicious Fergushka

I support mandatory background checks and safety training for all toy gun purchases. In our gun-saturated society, they are no longer toys.

373 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 7:25:40am

re: #366 The Vicious Fergushka

CKLW was a Canadian station, also broadcast on TV. I remember the “Wayne & Schuster Comedy Hour” they were like a real-life “Terrance & Philip” without the farts and swear words and were actually quite funny.

I used to listen to CKLW at night in the Philly area in the mid-60s. That station’s huge transformer was classified in the radio biz as a ‘flamethrower’ or ‘border blaster,’ due to its massive wattage and long reach (much the same as Mexican station XERB, also called ‘The X’ - immortalized in song by ZZ Top).

When the weather conditions were right, CKLW could be heard as far away as Texas. And XERB could be heard all the way into Canada.

374 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 4, 2014 7:26:12am

Eye opening and so sad reading the juxtaposition on Twitter over the past day of the two hashtags

#CrimingWhileWhite
and
#alivewhileblack

375 #FergusonFireside  Dec 4, 2014 7:28:11am

Check this video of the people heckling the NAACP marchers from Ferguson to the capital.

We are still in the 1950’s. It is sick.

376 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 7:28:58am

re:
#357

missing point that while excessive force affects everyone, it disproportionately affects minorities

Hurr hurr you should be color-blind like us we don’t see color we’re race reaslists!!!1

377 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 7:30:46am

re:
#375

Check this video of the people heckling the NAACP marchers from Ferguson to the capital.

Must be false flag librules. Conservative patriots are too busy working to heckle protesters. ///

378 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 7:31:50am

re: #350 Belafon

wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Except the number of white people shot in the same situation has been near zero.

Did you notice my sarc tags?

379 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:32:46am

re: #376 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#357

Hurr hurr you should be color-blind like us we don’t see color we’re race reaslists!!!1

HURR HURR CONTENT OF CHARACTER THAT WHAT WE’RE ALL ABOUT!!!11!!!

PULL UR PANTS UP & THEN WE’LL RESPECT U. HERE’S A PHOTOSHOP OF OBAMA WEARING HIS GIRLY JEANS!!!1!!!!!

380 #FergusonFireside  Dec 4, 2014 7:36:30am

re: #377 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#375

Must be false flag librules. Conservative patriots are too busy working to heckle protesters. ///

Racists, nothing more.

381 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 7:36:50am

re: #379 The Vicious Fergushka

Content of character is easily judged by such external attributes as hands in pockets, hoodies, demonic glare and thuggish gang signs…

382 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:38:28am

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Content of character is easily judged by such external attributes as hands in pockets, hoodies, demonic glare and thuggish gang signs…

White girl making the same “gang signs” and it’s called a “peace sign”

Must be the duck lips.

383 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:39:31am

WTFITS
I live near this mall but haven’t shopped there in 30 years.

384 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 4, 2014 7:39:34am

re: #382 The Vicious Fergushka

White girl making the same “gang signs” and it’s called a “peace sign”

Must be the duck lips.

385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 7:41:45am

re: #383 The Vicious Fergushka

WTFITS
I live near this mall but haven’t shopped there in 30 years.

In a suburb north of Detroit, a mall advertises black and white Santas on separate days. h-t

In this context, I don’t have too much trouble with the concept of “separate but equal”, I assume some parents want to have their kids photographed with a Santa of the same color.

As long as they do not forbid black kids from being photographed with a white Santa or vice-versa…

(But which Santa is most likely to get shot if he is found sneaking into someone’s house at night?)

386 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 7:44:39am

Zedushka frequently gets mistaken for Santa this time of year, by Black kids & White kids.

He used to smile and say “Ho ho ho! You better be good!” but then someone told him that any kind of response is “pervy” so now he just ignores them.

387 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 4, 2014 7:44:40am

The trend to impose consequences on the cops for wrongful death has the consequence of not compelling them to get any better. By allowing a PD to get away with murder that PD will not change its training, review processes, or its attitude toward those whom it polices. The use of deadly force will not decrease because there’s nothing to stop it from increasing. Every police officer should be concerned about this trend because the public will at some point demand action and historically that action results in good cops being swept out along with the bad ones. I’m not holding my breath on that last. The American people have been trained to be shit scared and so they’re willing to surrender their rights and their dignity just to feel one iota more safe.

388 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 7:46:23am

re: #366 The Vicious Fergushka

CKLW was a Canadian station, also broadcast on TV. I remember the “Wayne & Schuster Comedy Hour” they were like a real-life “Terrance & Philip” without the farts and swear words and were actually quite funny.

I watched Wayne & Schuster out of a Canadian station broadcasting from Ottawa in the early 70s while living in northern NY state. Mainly their specials at that point, but I have since hunted down “The Unholy Goalie” and some of their other skits on YouTube. Their “Shakespearean Baseball” and “Wash The Blood From My Toga” skits are classics.

For those not in the know Wayne & Schuster are a comedy duo dating back to the 1940s. Reading a Time/Life series on WW2 once and they had a sidebar page on USO shows - included a picture of W&S wearing fatigues in 1945.

389 gwangung  Dec 4, 2014 7:46:49am

re: #362 Higgs Boson’s Mate

One white person killed by cops = All of the black people killed by cops.
Conservative math at its finest.

You know….I wouldn’t have a problem seeing police charged in that incident.

MAYBE…..if there’s justice for Eric Garner, we can get justice there, too.

For damn sure, if Garner gets no justice, there’s no justice there, either.

390 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 7:50:38am

re: #386 The Vicious Fergushka

Zedushka frequently gets mistaken for Santa this time of year, by Black kids & White kids.

He used to smile and say “Ho ho ho! You better be good!” but then someone told him that any kind of response is “pervy” so now he just ignores them.

It kinda sucks that adults can no longer interact with kids without suspicion. I always used to talk to little kids because it seemed to make them feel special that they were conversing with an adult. I stopped a few years ago, unless they’re children of friends.

391 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 4, 2014 7:50:55am

I’m calling it a night here in Hunan. See y’all later on.

392 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 7:51:31am
#OpenCarryWhileWhite
393 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 4, 2014 7:51:40am

re: #366 The Vicious Fergushka

CKLW was a Canadian station, also broadcast on TV. I remember the “Wayne & Schuster Comedy Hour” they were like a real-life “Terrance & Philip” without the farts and swear words and were actually quite funny.

Their names were familiar to me though I’ve never lived anywhere near CKLW. Then I remembered: Ed Sullivan. W&S were frequent guests on Sullivan’s show. Funny: half the time I forget what I was supposed to pick up at the grocery store, but I can dredge up a recollection of a TV variety show from fifty years ago.

394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 7:52:10am

re: #392 lawhawk

Two fellows badly in need of a blow job…

395 iossarian  Dec 4, 2014 7:54:32am

re: #392 lawhawk

Image: #OpenCarryWhileWhite

I bet those fuckers feel like real heroes guarding the baby toys from dirty black people.

396 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 4, 2014 7:54:47am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Two fellows badly in need of a blow job…

Dunno, they look rather more sheepish to me.

397 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 7:59:34am

Broken clock watch.

Note that this is a grand jury in SC, and they indicted the police chief (who was white) who shot and killed an unarmed black man 4 years ago.

4 years ago.

Justice delayed is justice denied. Even still, it’s an indictment. That’s a tiny baby step in the right direction. But it’s anything but a sure thing that the indictment will lead to a conviction on any charges. Note too:

State investigators began reviewing the shooting in March 2013 after a U.S. Justice Department investigation determined Combs did not violate Bailey’s civil rights. In August 2013, state prosecutors charged Combs with misconduct in office, which carries a maximum of 10 years in prison.

It’s anything but a sure thing that the Justice Department will find a civil rights violation in the Ferguson or NYC cases.

It’s just another reason why we have to reform the state and federal laws that give too much discretion to cops to use deadly force.

398 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 8:06:55am

re: #397 lawhawk

It’s just another reason why we have to reform the state and federal laws that give too much discretion to cops to use deadly force.

In most cases, it is assumed that any use of force by a policeman is justified and not worth investigating.

399 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 4, 2014 8:11:20am

re: #397 lawhawk

Broken clock watch.

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Note that this is a grand jury in SC, and they indicted the police chief (who was white) who shot and killed an unarmed black man 4 years ago.

4 years ago.

Justice delayed is justice denied. Even still, it’s an indictment. That’s a tiny baby step in the right direction. But it’s anything but a sure thing that the indictment will lead to a conviction on any charges. Note too:

It’s anything but a sure thing that the Justice Department will find a civil rights violation in the Ferguson or NYC cases.

It’s just another reason why we have to reform the state and federal laws that give too much discretion to cops to use deadly force.

It seems to me that it would be very difficult to write a sufficiently nuanced law that would reduce the wrongful use of deadly force without adverse consequences. It does seem eminently possible to mandate that all incidents involving deadly force be reviewed by an agency other than the department where the incident occurred.

400 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 8:15:29am

re: #399 Higgs Boson’s Mate

. It does seem eminently possible to mandate that all incidents involving deadly force be reviewed by an agency other than the department where the incident occurred.

I think that knowledge itself will help serve as a deterrent to the use of excessive force without limiting a policeman’s responses in a crisis.

401 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 8:19:00am

re: #399 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It seems to me that it would be very difficult to write a sufficiently nuanced law that would reduce the wrongful use of deadly force without adverse consequences. It does seem eminently possible to mandate that all incidents involving deadly force be reviewed by an agency other than the department where the incident occurred.

I was just thinking that so many of today’s problems are the fallout of that period in the 80s and 90s when the national crime rates peaked before beginning their slide into the historically low levels that we’re now experiencing. Too many people still think its the wild west out there that they remember seeing on TV during that period of time, like the running gun battle of the North Hollywood shootout that showed cops in uniforms and with handguns battling with bank robbers in body armor and firing AKs.

That plus the plethora of cop shows that have come on in the last 30 years has raised a generation of people who are convinced that if cops use excessive force, there must be a reason to it. That no cop wants to hurt or kill anyone, and if they do then it will be found out and they’ll be punished. Like so many other issues in this nation, we’re trying to convince ourselves that the fantasy that we see in our media is the reality that exists beyond our personal experience.

402 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 8:22:24am

re: #399 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Complicating this is that the Supreme Court ruled in 1989 (Graham v. Connor) that gives law enforcement tremendous leeway in handling cases where deadly force may be involved. In other words, as Josh Voorhees noted in Slate:

it’s not whether the officer is objectively correct when he uses force; it’s whether he subjectively believed that he was right in the moment he did. Wilson told the grand jury that he feared his life was in danger during his encounter with Brown. The jurors weren’t tasked with assessing whether Wilson was actually in danger. Rather, they had to surmise whether it was reasonable for him to assume he was in peril. There’s that benefit of the doubt.

Resetting the presumptions may be tougher than getting federal and state officials to set up a new system to automatically review all cases involving police officers for excessive force and moving indictments on these cases. It’ll have to happen at the state and local level first, but politicians are reluctant to do anything that offends cops and the law and order types, even though crime is at historic lows.

403 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 8:22:24am

re: #401 Targetpractice

Just like we see so many shows in which we see the suspect committing the crime and then cunningly and cynically exploiting his rights within the system to escape justice…to the point that we assume that is the standard.

404 Bubblehead II  Dec 4, 2014 8:24:16am

re: #164 Kragar

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Asshole who did this and anyone else involved need to be Court Marshaled and given a BCD. There is no excuse for this type of behavior. None what so ever.

405 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 8:24:53am

re: #384 nearly-headless smith25

406 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 8:25:51am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

One crucial difference between the two cases, though: In the Crawford case the police had been fed false information by the dishonest man who had called 911 and then falsely reported that Crawford was acting in a threatening and crazy manner. In the Rice case the 911 caller was calm and honestly reported that Rice likely had a fake gun. That honesty should have kept Rice from getting killed, but because of a failure to communicate the situation to the cops responding coupled with the cops over-aggressive actions, Rice was shot and killed.

The Rice case is even more tragic than the Crawford case because 911 was given correct information and Rice still died.

Have you watched the Tamir Rice video yet? What exactly was the child doing that would cause anyone to call the police in the first place? There wasn’t anybody around—the one guy who was sitting at the picnic table early on seemed totally unconcerned. If the caller was close enough to say the gun seemed fake, he/she was close enough to see that it was a CHILD PLAYING. The caller was calm, but he did say, “He’s scaring the shit out of me” and said several times that the kid was was pointing it at everybody and the very last thing he says is—“I don’t know if it’s real or not.” (And yeah, a lot of desperate criminals go and sit on the swings between rampages—give me a break.)

407 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 8:26:50am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just like we see so many shows in which we see the suspect committing the crime and then cunningly and cynically exploiting his rights within the system to escape justice…to the point that we assume that is the standard.

Which is the issue with a lot of these sort of shows that has been pointed out before. That the guy gets tortured on “24” is acceptable since the viewers already know that he’s *is* a terrorist. And the procedurals show generally that the criminals are using the system to get away, that most of the shoots turn out to be justified, and that the various scientific tests are fast and indisputable.

It’s a lot more like the post yesterday about police candidate scenario tests for Austin. The quiet woman is the one that knifes you. And just blowing someone away can actually be just killing innocents.

408 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 8:34:43am

re: #407 Feline Fearless Leader

Which is the issue with a lot of these sort of shows that has been pointed out before. That the guy gets tortured on “24” is acceptable since the viewers already know that he’s *is* a terrorist. And the procedurals show generally that the criminals are using the system to get away, that most of the shoots turn out to be justified, and that the various scientific tests are fast and indisputable.

It’s a lot more like the post yesterday about police candidate scenario tests for Austin. The quiet woman is the one that knifes you. And just blowing someone away can actually be just killing innocents.

That’s a common bit in procedurals, the criminal “exploiting” the system, only to either be convicted, arrested on other charges, or killed by another party after acquittal. And rare is the case where the accused is actually proven innocent and the real guilty party never identified.

Even in a series about dealing with unsolved crimes, Cold Case, I can only recall one time when the accused walked free.

409 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 8:38:40am
410 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 8:39:10am

re: #408 Targetpractice

That’s a common bit in procedurals, the criminal “exploiting” the system, only to either be convicted, arrested on other charges, or killed by another party after acquittal. And rare is the case where the accused is actually proven innocent and the real guilty party never identified.

Even in a series about dealing with unsolved crimes, Cold Case, I can only recall one time when the accused walked free.

On “Criminal Minds” the profilers always manage to identify the perp (never mind that profiling is mostly bullshit) because of Penelope’s magical, warrantless inner join trolling of sealed juvie records and private medical records.

411 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 8:39:19am
412 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 8:40:36am

re: #410 The Vicious Fergushka

As I sit here trying to analyze some disparate data I loaded up in MSSQL, I truly appreciate that reference:

inner join trolling

413 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 8:40:49am

re: #411 Franklin

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Yeah, that’s kinda dumb to say while there’s still a federal investigation going on.

414 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 8:41:44am

re: #411 Franklin

Indication that, like Lawhawk said, that there should be a policy change where incidents involving police officers be presented to the GJ by someone else than the local DA office. The DA and police have too close of a working relationship.

415 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 8:43:33am

re: #349 The Vicious Fergushka

I’m not Googling this because apparently it is graphic & NSFW but can anyone tell me what this Magical Fairy is balancing?

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Well, it’s not all bad. It seems Eric Garner’s killing has kindled a small spark of empathy in Shapiro. Perhaps it’s because Garner was killed avoiding taxes, and Ben hates taxes more than he fears black people. It’s not much, but maybe a beginning.

416 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 8:44:12am

re: #409 Ace-o-aces

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I think that shows his whole contempt for the very idea of representative government. Fischer would be happiest in a theocratic autocracy where he has the final say.

417 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 8:44:27am

re: #412 Franklin

As I sit here trying to analyze some disparate data I loaded up in MSSQL, I truly appreciate that reference:

I can join tables from different databases on different servers but they’re all servers that I have the password to.

But that’s not what Penelope does. She basically goes fishing (hence the “trolling” reference) and scans sealed, private records of innocents before narrowing down the search parameters to find the real perp.

418 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 8:45:24am

Well, nothing like a small victory to help the day.

Was able to print something on 110# paper on the local printer/copier without it getting bent or creased.

419 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 8:45:59am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

I think that shows his whole contempt for the very idea of representative government. Fischer would be happiest in a theocratic autocracy where he has the final say.

Thus my belief that he is jealous of the mullahs in Iran.

420 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 8:46:12am

re: #417 The Vicious Fergushka

I can join tables from different databases on different servers but they’re all servers that I have the password to.

But that’s not what Penelope does. She basically goes fishing (hence the “trolling” reference) and scans sealed, private records of innocents before narrowing down the search parameters to find the real perp.

I don’t watch, but I imagine there is a lot of using hands and gestures in the air in place of mouse movements to interact with oversized displays?

421 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 8:48:40am

re: #419 Feline Fearless Leader

Thus my belief that he is jealous of the mullahs in Iran.

He’s jealous that he can’t grow beards like them either.

422 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 8:49:04am

re: #420 Franklin

I don’t watch, but I imagine there is a lot of using hands and gestures in the air in place of mouse movements to interact with oversized displays?

I’m sure it’s like she has the whole US government’s (and states I assume as well) myriad databases and file systems in a giant Access Database of linked dbs.
// :p

423 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 8:50:10am

It looks like Chucky is even more on his own than usual. Even those who support the GJ decision don’t think Garner deserved what he got.

424 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 8:54:40am

re: #423 Ace-o-aces

Bill-O: “The officer killed a man with a method that is merely against department policy, so it’s not like a crime was committed here. “

Except for the whole crime issue of a dead guy

425 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 9:04:48am

Idiots. Absolutely idiotic. In their haste and hate to attack everything the President does, the GOP proposes legislation nullifying all Executive Orders relating to immigration.

Never mind that EOs on immigration are eventually codified into law, but they’d want to negate the President’s EO.

426 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 9:05:52am

re: #425 lawhawk

Idiots. Absolutely idiotic. In their haste and hate to attack everything the President does, the GOP proposes legislation nullifying all Executive Orders relating to immigration.

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Never mind that EOs on immigration are eventually codified into law, but they’d want to negate the President’s EO.

Well, it’s either that or shut the country down again…

427 Thrazidun  Dec 4, 2014 9:06:01am

re: #70 b_sharp

I don’t understand this comment - where have you seen any evidence this incident was race related? What does the victims skin colour have to do with what the police did? Are you suggesting if it was a Caucasian dude suspected of selling looseys they would not have put him in a choke if he resisted arrest? Link your evidence

428 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:06:22am

re: #425 lawhawk

Idiots. Absolutely idiotic. In their haste and hate to attack everything the President does, the GOP proposes legislation nullifying all Executive Orders relating to immigration.

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Never mind that EOs on immigration are eventually codified into law, but they’d want to negate the President’s EO.

John C. Calhoun smilled.

429 Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2014 9:09:57am

re: #427 Thrazidun

I don’t understand this comment - where have you seen any evidence this incident was race related? What does the victims skin colour have to do with what the police did? Are you suggesting if it was a Caucasian dude suspected of selling looseys they would not have put him in a choke if he resisted arrest? Link your evidence

Link your evidence that it is NOT race related.

430 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 9:10:49am

re: #427 Thrazidun

I don’t understand this comment - where have you seen any evidence this incident was race related? What does the victims skin colour have to do with what the police did? Are you suggesting if it was a Caucasian dude suspected of selling looseys they would not have put him in a choke if he resisted arrest? Link your evidence

You can argue about this specific case all you want, but first look at it against the backdrop of recent events.

431 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 9:11:03am

re: #425 lawhawk

Idiots. Absolutely idiotic. In their haste and hate to attack everything the President does, the GOP proposes legislation nullifying all Executive Orders relating to immigration.

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Never mind that EOs on immigration are eventually codified into law, but they’d want to negate the President’s EO.

Basically the nature of the President’s actions are such that the GOP’s hands are tied. Anything they do to override it will either be A) Unconstitutional, B) Ludicrous, or C) Both.

432 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 9:17:14am

re: #409 Ace-o-aces

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I would think that a game of chance would be pretty evil, aren’t Christians supposed to be against gambling?

433 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 9:18:50am

re: #429 Eventual Carrion

Link your evidence that it is NOT race related.

He should also link his evidence that Garner resisted arrest.

434 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 9:19:29am

OH HAI LOOK THEIR IS MOAR POWERPOINTS!
Srsly all Snowden grabbed was a whole bunch of Powerpoints.

435 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 4, 2014 9:20:46am
437 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 9:23:10am

re: #434 The Vicious Fergushka

OH HAI LOOK THEIR IS MOAR POWERPOINTS!
Srsly all Snowden grabbed was a whole bunch of Powerpoints.

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Yep. Looks like he snatched the briefing presentations that the NSA gives to members of Congress.

438 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:23:53am

re: #435 nearly-headless smith25

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Yep.

439 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 9:24:13am

re: #397 lawhawk

I had to look up the town, as I’d never even heard the name. Why would a town with a population of 307 have its own police force to begin with? (Looking it up on city-data, the chief IS the force.)

440 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 9:24:20am

re: #437 b.d.

Yep. Looks like he snatched the briefing presentations that the NSA gives to members of Congress.

FirstLook has been spamming this all day. I guess it is their Only Article Of The Month.

441 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 9:25:21am

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FACEPALMS IN THE GALAXY

442 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:26:13am

re: #441 The Vicious Fergushka

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FACEPALMS IN THE GALAXY

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BREAKING. Hoft still a moron.

443 wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2014 9:26:19am

re: #436 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

PZ skewers a silly libertarian.

You get to be a slapstick dumbass, we get to point and laugh. It’s the libertarian way!

No more needed, thanks PZ.

444 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 9:27:06am

re: #440 The Vicious Fergushka

FirstLook has been spamming this all day. I guess it is their Only Article Of The Month.

You mean besides their announcements of people leaving?

:0

445 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 9:29:19am
446 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 9:32:03am

Glenn, nobody gives a shit anymore. Everybody already knows cell networks are not secure & there are a lot more entities than the NSA that can do far more damage.

447 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 9:32:20am

re: #441 The Vicious Fergushka

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FACEPALMS IN THE GALAXY

[Embedded content]

Ah yes, the old standby: If a single black person was involved, it can’t be racist.

448 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 9:34:16am

re:
#434

NSA ASSAULT!!!!111

449 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 9:36:08am

Glenn Greenwald is the epitome of #CrimingWhileWhite

450 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 9:37:51am

re:
#441

BREAKING>>> BLACK FEMALE Police Sergeant Supervised Eric Garner’s Deadly Arrest

Did Dim Jim scoop professional stalker award-winning journalist Chuck c. Johnson on this award-winning piece of journalism that will surely win a journalism award for journalism?

451 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 9:38:26am
The life and times of @ggreenwald and @the_intercept. #NSA #beatingadeadhorse
452 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 9:39:35am

re:
#446

AURORAGOLD!!!

453 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 9:41:03am

I was wondering where the Almighty Greenwald had disappeared to.

454 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 9:41:22am

re: #452 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#446

AURORAGOLDGHAZI!!!

FTFY

455 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 4, 2014 9:42:52am

Auric Goldfinger?

456 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 9:47:50am

That was down the block from a bigger protest in favor of getting the City to raise the minimum wage:

Further uptown, there are protests outside Foley Square seeking justice for Eric Garner. And I’m expecting another round of protests around the city for the evening rush. Might catch some of those.


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