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Demonstrators marching from Ferguson to Missouri’s capital to protest the police shooting death of Michael Brown were met with opposition as they passed through a rural town.

Television station KRCG reports that some people in Rosebud shouted obscenities and held signs telling them to “go home” and someone put an empty bottle of beer, a melon and some fried chicken in the path of the protestors.

The Columbia Missourian reports that at least one person displayed a Confederate flag, and the back window of a bus traveling with the marchers was broken by a bullet.

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1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 9:47:15am

Their very presence was a red flag.

2 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:47:46am

And I’m sure the people waving the flag of the CSA consider themselves good “patriots” too.

3 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 9:48:02am

HURR HURR LIBRUL PLANT!!!!! TEH KKK WAS DEMOCRATS!!!1!!!!!

4 No Country For Old Haters  Dec 4, 2014 9:48:44am

These idiots really don’t realize that they marginalize themselves by announcing their racist values. They think it’s OK because their whole ignorant subculture is awful. They make the hippie subculture look like geniuses.

5 wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2014 9:49:12am
6 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 9:49:29am

More of John Roberts’ post racial America on view.

7 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 9:49:43am

Yet another argument that Reconstruction was ended way too fucking early.

8 Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2014 9:49:55am
someone put an empty bottle of beer, a melon and some fried chicken in the path of the protestors.

But there was nothing racial about it.

9 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 9:51:27am

The underlying article actually indicates that someone shot the window out of a bus accompanying the marchers.

Somebody shot the window out of the back of one of the buses traveling with the march, dubbed by the NAACP as the Journey for Justice. The outer pane of glass broke. The bullet landed in the windowsill, the driver said.

The people opposed to the march weren’t just protesting with words or with flags.

They make their intentions and hostilities known with violence.

10 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 9:51:32am

Meanwhile, reset you irony meters to -1000 before loading this steaming pile of UpChuck into them.

“This is his black Woodstock, but the civil right’s movement has a long past,” said Johnson. “The problem is that his reporting isn’t serious reporting. It’s stenography for the people in Ferguson who want their story told in the way they want it told. Wes Lowery is a 24-year-old kid who was advanced rather quickly. I feel badly for the guy. There are going to be consequences. Unfortunately groups like the NABJ have decided to award him with journalistic awards well ahead of the time that you would have actually earned them. Wes Lowery is basically running around trying to be the spokesperson at the same time that he’s covering it. I have to call bullshit on that. He had Thanksgiving dinner with the pastor he covered. He’s basically becoming such a part of the story that he can’t now write a critical piece bout Michael Brown. [His work is] also basically propaganda for the cause.”

11 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 9:52:30am

re: #8 Eventual Carrion

But there was nothing racial about it.

STOP RACE BAITING LIBRULSSS!!!!

12 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 9:53:40am

People should bookmark this thread so that the next time a wingnut mouths off to them that “It’s not about race,” you can show them that it’s always about race.

13 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 4, 2014 9:53:54am

re: #10 Skip Intro

It’s almost like Chuck is one big act.

14 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:54:38am

re: #12 Targetpractice

People should bookmark this thread so that the next time a wingnut mouths off to them that “It’s not about race,” you can show them that it’s always about race.

It’s not about race until they make it about race.

15 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:55:02am

Nearly 150 years after Appamatox and peopel still flying that damn rag.

16 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 9:55:23am

Oh, and the counter protesters weren’t just shouting. They were using racial epithets.

Concern trolling from the counter protesters - worried that their towns would be burned or vandalized. Which, of course, means that they should shoot and vandalize the property of the protesters, yell obscenities and racially charged statements.

17 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 9:56:30am

re: #10 Skip Intro

Meanwhile, reset you irony meters to -1000 before loading this steaming pile of UpChuck into them.

Yeah, I saw that before. I also like how he calls Lowrey a 24 year-old “kid”. Because Chuck is so much more experienced at the ripe old age of 26. It’s just so obvious Chuck can’t stand the thought of a black man being a successful journalist, something he can only pretend to be.

18 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 9:58:03am
19 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:58:25am

re: #17 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, I saw that before. I also like how he calls Lowrey a 24 year-old “kid”. Because Chuck is so much more experienced at the ripe old age of 26. It’s just so obvious Chuck can’t stand the thought of a black man being a successful journalist.

Lowery acts more professional than CCJ does too. I can’t imagine Lowery doing that stupid pose with the gun to his critics.

20 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 9:58:57am

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

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I actually had not heard this. Not really a surprise given his and his sisters’ behavior at the Palin brawl a few months back.

21 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 10:00:06am

re:
#10

“The problem is that his reporting isn’t serious reporting. It’s stenography for the people in Ferguson who want their story told in the way they want it told.

OFFS, Chuck.

Yeah, Lowery doesn’t stalk like Chuck publish people’s addresses, which is real journalism that wins awards all over the country. //

22 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 10:00:22am
23 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 10:02:09am

re: #21 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#10

OFFS, Chuck.

Yeah, Lowery doesn’t stalk like Chuck publish people’s addresses, which is real journalism that wins awards all over the country. //

story told in the way they want it told.

Oh this is funny Chucky.

24 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 10:02:40am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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BREAKING: Right wing media still full of choads who couldn’t cut it at a middle school newspaper.

25 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:04:36am

Oh, look. It’s that time of year again.

Bill O’Reilly Launches First Counter-Offensive In The ‘War On Christmas’

huffingtonpost.com

26 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 10:06:17am

Jenna Bush Hager Admits to a ‘Little Hanky Panky’ on the White House Roof

This must be that “classy behavior” Elizabeth Lauten was demanding of the Obama girls.

P.S. @DCGopGirl has protected her tweets now.

27 calochortus  Dec 4, 2014 10:06:53am

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

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I thought it was letting air out of tires and the like, not something likely to kill anyone.

28 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:07:37am

Moron on the radio this morning.

“Black people hate Big Police. White People hate Big Government. Big Police is Big Government!”

So why are the Oath Keepers not aiming guns at the cops in Ferguson, fucknut?

29 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 10:07:46am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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You forgot the watermark.

30 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 10:08:55am

re: #25 Skip Intro

Oh, look. It’s that time of year again.

Bill O’Reilly Launches First Counter-Offensive In The ‘War On Christmas’

huffingtonpost.com

Jon Stewart made a great point about Fox and the “War on Christmas.” They’re HQed in New York, you know Ground Zero for the “War on Christmas” and yet Rockefeller Center is always amazingly decorated for Christmas. People who get their panties bunched up over “Happy Holidays” are the worst. Hell, I find it frankly polite because it’s respecting the person. I wonder if Bill and those types would be happy if they were lived in a society where Christmas wasn’t the most common winter holiday where they wished a Happy whatever. Anyhow, typical fake outrage. Just enjoy the fucking holiday Bill and stop using it to push your fake outrage agenda.

31 #FergusonFireside  Dec 4, 2014 10:09:36am
32 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 10:10:09am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Jon Stewart made a great point about Fox and the “War on Christmas.” They’re HQed in New York, you know Ground Zero for the “War on Christmas” and yet Rockefeller Center is always amazingly decorated for Christmas. People who get their panties bunched up over “Happy Holidays” are the worst. Hell, I find it frankly polite because it’s respecting the person. I wonder if Bill and those types would be happy if they were lived in a society where Christmas wasn’t the most common winter holiday where they wished a Happy whatever. Anyhow, typical fake outrage. Just enjoy the fucking holiday Bill and stop using it to push your fake outrage agenda.

I think I found the problem.

33 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 10:10:48am

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Jenna Bush Hager Admits to a ‘Little Hanky Panky’ on the White House Roof

This must be that “classy behavior” Elizabeth Lauten was demanding of the Obama girls.

P.S. @DCGopGirl has protected her tweets now.

Both her and her sister got arrested for underaged drinking too. I don’t begrudge the Bush girls for what they did but the standards the right and GOP has for their people versus the rest of us is telling. Elizabeth Lauten should have just kept her mouth shut honestly and such a strange comment too about how the girls were dressed for the bar.

34 #FergusonFireside  Dec 4, 2014 10:10:53am

re: #9 lawhawk

The underlying article actually indicates that someone shot the window out of a bus accompanying the marchers.

The people opposed to the march weren’t just protesting with words or with flags.

They make their intentions and hostilities known with violence.

1960 all over.

35 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 10:12:26am

re: #32 Targetpractice

I think I found the problem.

Yeah wingers aren’t big on respect. I mean it just amazes me that this is what they choose to get upset about. Not poverty, not people starving, not real oppression but because a stranger is wishing them a Happy Holidays. Of course, if I know you celebrate Christmas or Hannukah, I’m going to wish you on that but if I’m a retail employee and I don’t know you at all, I’ll just say Happy Holidays.

36 gwangung  Dec 4, 2014 10:12:27am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Both her and her sister got arrested for underaged drinking too. I don’t begrudge the Bush girls for what they did but the standards the right and GOP has for their people versus the rest of us is telling. Elizabeth Lauten should have just kept her mouth shut honestly and such a strange comment too about how the girls were dressed for the bar.

It’s perfectly acceptable evening wear for theatre and restaurants for white people. For black girls, it’s for bar hopping.

///

37 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 10:13:00am

re: #10 Skip Intro

Meanwhile, reset you irony meters to -1000 before loading this steaming pile of UpChuck into them.

“This is his black Woodstock, but the civil right’s movement has a long past,” said Johnson. “The problem is that his reporting isn’t serious reporting. It’s stenography for the people in Ferguson who want their story told in the way they want it told. Wes Lowery is a 24-year-old kid who was advanced rather quickly. I feel badly for the guy. There are going to be consequences. Unfortunately groups like the NABJ have decided to award him with journalistic awards well ahead of the time that you would have actually earned them. Wes Lowery is basically running around trying to be the spokesperson at the same time that he’s covering it. I have to call bullshit on that. He had Thanksgiving dinner with the pastor he covered. He’s basically becoming such a part of the story that he can’t now write a critical piece bout Michael Brown. [His work is] also basically propaganda for the cause.”

Putting aside the terrible grammar, syntax and complete obliviousness to irony in his dissing of journalistic awards, has upchuck never heard of “embedded reporters?”

38 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 10:14:03am

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Jenna Bush Hager Admits to a ‘Little Hanky Panky’ on the White House Roof

This must be that “classy behavior” Elizabeth Lauten was demanding of the Obama girls.

P.S. @DCGopGirl has protected her tweets now.

“Maybe there was a kiss on the roof,” she said.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

//

39 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 10:14:12am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Yeah wingers aren’t big on respect. I mean it just amazes me that this is what they choose to get upset about. Not poverty, not people starving, not real oppression but because a stranger is wishing them a Happy Holidays. Of course, if I know you celebrate Christmas or Hannukah, I’m going to wish you on that but if I’m a retail employee and I don’t know you at all, I’ll just say Happy Holidays.

They’re big on respect, alright, but only if it is you respecting them. They’ll make a lot of noise about things like freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but actually respecting the opinions of others or their beliefs? Fuck that!

40 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:14:59am

More good news!

Judge Allows Lawsuit To Proceed Against Glenn Beck For Boston Marathon Defamation

huffingtonpost.com

41 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 10:15:08am

re: #39 Targetpractice

They’re big on respect, alright, but only if it is you respecting them. They’ll make a lot of noise about things like freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but actually respecting the opinions of others or their beliefs? Fuck that!

Right pretty much. Like how gay marriage discriminates against their “religious freedom” yet there are places of worship that are glad to perform same sex marriage.

42 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 10:15:40am

re: #40 Skip Intro

More good news!

Judge Allows Lawsuit To Proceed Against Glenn Beck For Boston Marathon Defamation

huffingtonpost.com

I hope he gets ruined because of that. He was all too eager to label that student as a terrorist without any evidence.

43 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:18:15am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Beck needs to hire an Award Winning Journalist to dig up dirt on Abdulrahman Alharbi.

44 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:18:29am

re: #39 Targetpractice

They’re big on respect, alright, but only if it is you respecting them. They’ll make a lot of noise about things like freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but actually respecting the opinions of others or their beliefs? Fuck that!

Bryan Fischer has said that respecting other beliefs is against his form of “Christianity”

45 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 10:18:52am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Jon Stewart made a great point about Fox and the “War on Christmas.” They’re HQed in New York, you know Ground Zero for the “War on Christmas” and yet Rockefeller Center is always amazingly decorated for Christmas. People who get their panties bunched up over “Happy Holidays” are the worst. Hell, I find it frankly polite because it’s respecting the person. I wonder if Bill and those types would be happy if they were lived in a society where Christmas wasn’t the most common winter holiday where they wished a Happy whatever. Anyhow, typical fake outrage. Just enjoy the fucking holiday Bill and stop using it to push your fake outrage agenda.

But, but Gretchen Carlson has to drive around looking for nativity scenes to show to her children—hence this dastardly “happy holidays” blasphemy must cease immediately so as to not offend her delicate sensibilities!
/

46 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:20:16am

re: #45 BeachDem

But, but Gretchen Carlson has to drive around looking for nativity scenes to show to her children—hence this dastardly “happy holidays” blasphemy must cease immediately so as to not offend her delicate sensibilities!
/

People should be required to put up nativity scenes in front of their houses so Gretchen doesn’t have to drive so far.

47 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 10:20:45am

re: #44 The Vicious Fergushka

Bryan Fischer has said that respecting other beliefs is against his form of “Christianity”

I rather get the impression that Fischer thinks allowing people who don’t think as he does to live is against his form of “Christianity.”

48 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:21:59am

LOL

49 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:22:38am

re: #46 Skip Intro

People should be required to put up nativity scenes in front of their houses so Gretchen doesn’t have to drive so far.

Will she STFU if we just send her this?

50 Sionainn  Dec 4, 2014 10:24:21am

Why doesn’t Gretchen put up a nativity scene in her own damn yard? Then she can just walk the children right outside the door to look at it.

51 Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2014 10:24:40am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Yeah wingers aren’t big on respect. I mean it just amazes me that this is what they choose to get upset about. Not poverty, not people starving, not real oppression but because a stranger is wishing them a Happy Holidays. Of course, if I know you celebrate Christmas or Hannukah, I’m going to wish you on that but if I’m a retail employee and I don’t know you at all, I’ll just say Happy Holidays.

I wish one employee would just say fuck it and wish everyone a happy Hanukkah just to screw with them. If someone gets mad simply explain that Hanukkah was celebrated before Christmas was even thought up, so it is the “original” reason for the season.

(Edit: Spelling)

52 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:28:07am

re: #51 Eventual Carrion

I wish one employee would just say fuck it and wish everyone a happy Hanukkah just to screw with them. If someone gets made simply explain that Hanukkah was celebrated before Christmas was even thought up, so it is the “original” reason for the season..

I thought the solstice was the original reason for the season?

53 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 10:28:36am

“Merry Whatever The Fuck You Celebrate! Now take your shit and get out!”

/

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 4, 2014 10:28:57am

re: #45 BeachDem

But, but Gretchen Carlson has to drive around looking for nativity scenes to show to her children—hence this dastardly “happy holidays” blasphemy must cease immediately so as to not offend her delicate sensibilities!
/

It’s so nice to see people taking such good Roman Catholic traditions, like St Francis of Assisi’ invention of the Creche, into their holidays… /////// I do personally despise the commercial season, though I put up with it for my boy’s joy. I despise the war of Christmas asshats even more, though.

I wish there were some decent Advent songs for the next few weeks… Probably a good year for me to remember to fast and pray the Ember Days.

55 Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2014 10:29:01am

re: #45 BeachDem

But, but Gretchen Carlson has to drive around looking for nativity scenes to show to her children—hence this dastardly “happy holidays” blasphemy must cease immediately so as to not offend her delicate sensibilities!
/

Heh.

Here in the Czech Republic, nativity scenes are commonplace in town squares this time of year - despite the fact that the bulk of the population is either atheist or agnostic - and I see them everywhere. Which reminds me…..

…..many years ago, we were looking at some of these nativity scenes in Cesky Krumlov and my ex-wife’s niece Andrea was with us. One of them was a ‘living nativity scene’, with real sheep and goats. The goats were chewing on the blankets used to wrap the doll that represented the infant Jesus, and with my sense of humor, I couldn’t resist saying to her, “Muj Boze, kozy jsem jedl Jezísek; vypadá nepredstavoval v tomto roce!” which means, “My God, the goats have eaten the baby Jesus….looks like no presents this year!” Here in the Czech Republic, it’s the infant Jesus who brings the presents on Christmas, not St. Nicholas.

My ex-wife gave me the dirtiest look while also trying not to laugh. She later said, “Of all the things you could say in Czech, you just had to say that.”

:D

56 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:30:35am

I made a few more adjustments to the page and possible petition I posted anyone interested in taking a look.

57 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:31:41am

Have Yourself A TCOT Little Christmas

58 Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2014 10:32:26am

re: #52 Kragar

I thought the solstice was the original reason for the season?

That is why I put “original” in quotes.

59 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:33:19am

re: #50 Sionainn

Why doesn’t Gretchen put up a nativity scene in her own damn yard? Then she can just walk the children right outside the door to look at it.

Then what would she have to bitch about on Fox News? O’Reilly’s pissed off because a group of atheists put up a billboard. No First Amendment rights for you, heathens!

60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 10:34:55am

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Jenna Bush Hager Admits to a ‘Little Hanky Panky’ on the White House Roof

This must be that “classy behavior” Elizabeth Lauten was demanding of the Obama girls.

P.S. @DCGopGirl has protected her tweets now.

Willie Nelson admits to lighting up an Austin Torpedo on the roof the the WH while visiting Jimmy Carter

61 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 10:34:58am

re: #27 calochortus

I thought it was letting air out of tires and the like, not something likely to kill anyone.

You know, looking into it just now, the whole thing is rather murky. Lots of rumors, nothing substantiated. Plus he would have been a juvenile, so as we all know (except for CCJ) the records are sealed. I’m sorry I posted it.

62 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 10:35:47am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

“My God, the goats have eaten the baby Jesus….

:D

That is going up there with “have the kittens stopped screaming, Maureen” esquire.com

as a favorite phrase to interject into any random conversation! Thanks SOOOOOOO much.

63 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:36:08am

The Worst Christmas Song I Have Heard This Year:

A “slow ballad” styling of “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus”
AAAAyyyyeeee saaaawwwww Moooommmmmyyyy kiiiiiissssiiiinngg Saaaaaaaaannnnnnta Claaaauuuuuus

I was in the checkout line at the supermarket and I rolled my eyes and said to the cashier “Just shoot me now!”

And the old lady in line behind me was like “You heathen! You must be Muslim!”

64 walkingdeadhead  Dec 4, 2014 10:36:42am

No mention of Zemir Begic, the white guy beat to death by 4 youths (3 black, one Hispanic) with hammers? Like Palestinians dancing in the streets when a Jewish child is murdered, these 4 killers are going to be hailed as heroes in their community.

65 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:36:52am

re: #57 The Vicious Fergushka

Her country left around 150 years ago. I hope Santa brings her a nice new time machine.

66 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 10:37:37am

re: #57 The Vicious Fergushka

Have Yourself A TCOT Little Christmas

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Hey, she’s lovin’ her Jesus—what more do you want from a Patriot?

67 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 10:39:12am

Fox News is busy complaining about what they think is the so called war on Christmas, which now begins some time around Labor Day.

Meanwhile, they whitesplain away the real issues facing the nation - like the real and deadly consequences of racism in the country.

The counter protesters are the core audience sought by Fox. They don’t think they’re doing anything wrong. And Fox talking heads (all 50 shades of Blonde) will feed them an endless stream of nonsense about how the poor and illegal aliens are taking billions and leaving them with scraps, even as the Fox talking heads ignore that the billionaires running companies like Walmart and the millionaires heading up many other companies are getting richer and richer with bonus and stock option after bonus and stock option while they pay their workers the absolute minimum wage. Even if Walmart increased their base pay to $20 an hour, none of the Walton family would be hurting. They’d all still multi-billionaires and the company would likely be doing even better since their workers would have more disposable income to spend in their stores (instead of relying on govt assistance to close the gap between the minimum wage and the living wage needed to cover costs.

68 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:39:16am

re: #64 walkingdeadhead

FOADIAF

69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 10:39:40am

re: #57 The Vicious Fergushka

Have Yourself A TCOT Little Christmas

All I want for Christmas is to have obama gone and my country back! I don’t think that’s too much to ask for!

Your country never went anywhere, it just changed its ethic makeup a bit. And Obama is gonna be there until January 2017, so suck it up and deal with it.

70 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:40:27am

re: #57 The Vicious Fergushka

Have Yourself A TCOT Little Christmas

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71 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:40:58am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Your country never went anywhere, it just changed its ethic makeup a bit. And Obama is gonna be there until January 2017, so suck it up and deal with it.

72 [deleted]  Dec 4, 2014 10:41:37am
73 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 4, 2014 10:42:23am

re: #64 walkingdeadhead

Your mommy called. She says there is a Magic Ballance Fairy there wanting her wand back.

74 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:43:04am

re: #64 walkingdeadhead

No mention of Zemir Begic, the white guy beat to death by 4 youths (3 black, one Hispanic) with hammers? Like Palestinians dancing in the streets when a Jewish child is murdered, these 4 killers are going to be hailed as heroes in their community.

Were they cops who got let off by a grand jury, or were they punks, three of whom were arrested?

In other words, what’s your point?

75 walkingdeadhead  Dec 4, 2014 10:43:05am

re: #73 William Barnett-Lewis

nothing like a strong argument…

76 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:43:16am

Good lord, she thinks I’m on her side!

77 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 4, 2014 10:43:31am

re: #72 walkingdeadhead

Boogyman claim! Drink!

78 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 4, 2014 10:44:22am

re: #75 walkingdeadhead

Why waste one on a nothing like you?

79 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:44:35am

re: #76 Kragar

Good lord, she thinks I’m on her side!

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Those people, they’re just not right in the head.

80 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:44:44am

MOAR WINGNUT SANTA LISTS

81 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 10:45:18am

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

What, no pony?

82 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 10:45:24am

re: #72 walkingdeadhead

Obama wants a race war? WTF kind of drugs are you on?

83 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:45:50am

re: #82 Randall Gross

Obama wants a race war? WTF kind of drugs are you on?

Paint fumes

84 Lidane  Dec 4, 2014 10:46:17am

re: #7 Targetpractice

Yet another argument that Reconstruction was ended way too fucking early.

Ended too fucking early, and it went waaaay too easy on those traitorous Confederate bastards. Every single Confederate state should’ve been brought to heel after the war instead of the way that Reconstruction went down.

85 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 10:46:52am

Some of the comments at the two news articles linked in the post are way off in a Southern ditch too…

86 walkingdeadhead  Dec 4, 2014 10:46:54am

re: #74 Skip Intro

The point being, none of this is racially motivated, but thanks to the Guy Fawkes crowd and the race hustlers and their sycophants in the mainstream media, the Michael Brown situation is being made out to be, much to the detriment of the local business owners in Ferguson, who’s seeing their life work being burnt down thanks to the thugs and anarchists.

87 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 10:47:17am

Throw this gamy buttocks on the grill before it gets too rancid.

88 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 10:47:21am

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

MOAR WINGNUT SANTA LISTS

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Also, does not seem to understand the definition of “culture”.

89 gwangung  Dec 4, 2014 10:47:23am

re: #86 walkingdeadhead

Yup. Brain damaged.

90 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 10:47:51am

Don’t feed the faux concern troll.

91 Zamb  Dec 4, 2014 10:48:18am

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

I don’t think the constitution is a form a culture, also the bill of rights is part of the constitution.

92 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 10:49:14am

15,000 U.S. homicides so far in 2014.
Why aren’t you talking about ALL of them?

93 TedStriker  Dec 4, 2014 10:49:29am

re: #74 Skip Intro

Were they cops who got let off by a grand jury, or were they punks, three of whom were arrested?

In other words, what’s you point?

Just a tip: if replying back to a troll/sock/repugnant POS that’s surely going to get their comments hidden via Charles’ new -10 karma method, hit “Reply” instead of “Quote”, so that the offending comment doesn’t stay visible in your post.

Better yet, just downding them into oblivion and otherwise ignore them….that ought to get their goat.

94 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:49:32am

re: #89 gwangung

Yup. Brain damaged.

Huffing paint will do that.

95 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 10:51:46am

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

MOAR WINGNUT SANTA LISTS

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I guess her 86% estimate was a bit overblown—1 retweet.

96 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 10:52:39am

re: #72 walkingdeadhead

Since when do whites get accosted on a daily basis for walking in the street (jaywalking) or walking on the sidewalk with their hands in their pockets during a cold day or playing in a park with a toy gun (Tamir Rice), or handling an air gun in a Walmart in an open carry state (John Crawford), or cosplaying on a street in Utah with a toy sword.

In each of those cases, the person was aggressively attacked by a cop and killed. In each of the cases, the person the cops aggressively “policed” was black.

Whites can go into Walmart with heavy weapons slung on their shoulders and no one calls the police (even though many a serial killer/mass killer has been white and armed with the same exact kind of weapon). Blacks playing with air guns or toy guns and someone rushes to call 911 and the police arrive and shoot first and don’t even ask questions later. They murdered Tamir Rice - a 12 year old playing in a park with a toy gun - less than 5 seconds after driving right up to him in the park. They gunned him down without even contemplating any conceivable alternatives - like talking to the kid or seeing if there was actually any wrongdoing underway.

You can’t tell me that there isn’t a pattern to the kinds of officer involved shootings and excessive police incidents. You can’t tell me that racism doesn’t play any role in these deaths. Police across the nation have no problem using excessive and deadly force - they also have no problem using it disproportionately when blacks are the victims of that force.

But if you can’t see the problem, then the problem isn’t us pointing out the racism. It’s you.

97 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:52:47am

re: #93 TedStriker

I guess I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think comments should be hidden. If Charles wants to dump the guy that’s his business, but as long as he’s here let him spew.

98 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 10:53:56am

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

99 walkingdeadhead  Dec 4, 2014 10:54:02am

FACT: 123 Blacks were killed by police last year (out of a population of 43 million)
FACT: 326 Whites were killed by police last year
FACT: Officers killed in the line of duty last year: 107 (43 shot by criminals)

TAKEAWAY: There is no such thing in this country as police targeting black youth.

Y’all are funny up in here.

100 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:54:55am

re: #80 The Vicious Fergushka

The poster left out religion. Probably couldn’t fit it all in.

101 Lidane  Dec 4, 2014 10:55:09am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

102 TedStriker  Dec 4, 2014 10:56:09am

re: #97 Skip Intro

I guess I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think comments should be hidden. If Charles wants to dump the guy that’s his business, but as long as he’s here let him spew.

And if you want to view their comments, all you have to do is click the button. Once a post hits -10 karma, it’s hidden by default.

It’s just that a lot of us have asked for a tool like this to marginalize the assholes and this is the current solution that Charles came up with.

103 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 10:56:55am

There is no national database for police shootings.

The problem, experts say, is that the United States doesn’t collect accurate statistics and verify nearly enough information to show definitive trends in police shootings.

“There isn’t a mandatory reporting. It is a self-reporting. Almost on the honor system,” Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst, said on CNN’s “The Situation Room” on Tuesday.
cnn.com

104 Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2014 10:58:09am

re: #83 Kragar

Paint fumes

And those sweet, sweet lead paint chips.

105 palomino  Dec 4, 2014 10:58:30am

re: #64 walkingdeadhead

No mention of Zemir Begic, the white guy beat to death by 4 youths (3 black, one Hispanic) with hammers? Like Palestinians dancing in the streets when a Jewish child is murdered, these 4 killers are going to be hailed as heroes in their community.

So you’re equating black Americans to Palestinian terrorists. That’s real fucking classy.

And why don’t you give some examples of blacks being hailed as heroes for killing defenseless white people? You don’t have any, because it’s a figment of the paranoid right’s imagination that large numbers of blacks are happy to see whites killed.

106 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 4, 2014 10:58:44am

we must continue to remember that our SCOTUS recently declared there is no longer any racism in America.

And that open carry is a good thing.

Welcome to insanity, personified as a Judicial Branch.

107 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 10:58:46am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

FACT: 123 Blacks were killed by police last year (out of a population of 43 million)
FACT: 326 Whites were killed by police last year
FACT: Officers killed in the line of duty last year: 107 (43 shot by criminals)

TAKEAWAY: There is no such thing in this country as police targeting black youth.

Y’all are funny up in here.

You left something out.

The site reported: “The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.”

cnn.com

Also, it’s always a good idea to post links to your stats. Sometimes posters try to mislead.

108 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 10:59:03am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

FACT: 123 Blacks were killed by police last year (out of a population of 43 million)
FACT: 326 Whites were killed by police last year
FACT: Officers killed in the line of duty last year: 107 (43 shot by criminals)

TAKEAWAY: There is no such thing in this country as police targeting black youth.

Y’all are funny up in here.

Did you intentionally leave out the fact that Whites outnumber blacks about 4 to 1 but are killed by police officers at a disproportionate rate? Of course you did.

109 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 10:59:24am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

Fact: Whites are 77 percent of the population, Blacks are about 14 percent, and it appears you can’t do simple math.

110 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 11:00:51am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

Y’all are funny up in here.

Don’t use a lying O’Rielly as a source

111 TedStriker  Dec 4, 2014 11:01:01am

re: #107 Skip Intro

re: #108 Franklin

re: #109 Randall Gross

I’m sure it was a feature, not a bug.

112 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 11:01:07am
Guy Fawkes crowd…race hustlers…mainstream media…local business owners…life work being burnt down…thugs…anarchists.

That about covers all the RW talking points. Take the rest of the day off.

113 Lidane  Dec 4, 2014 11:01:07am

re: #109 Randall Gross

Fact: Whites are 77 percent of the population, Blacks are about 13 percent, and it appears you can’t do simple math.

Trolls don’t need to do math.

114 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 11:01:15am

I think it’s time for the ban hammer.

115 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 11:02:02am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

FACT:
Y’all are funny up in here.

O’Reilly’s team used the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s fatal injury reports database. A search in the system for fatal “legal interventions” — deaths caused in the course of law enforcement trying to make an arrest or quell a situation — confirms, on the surface, the numbers O’Reilly mentioned for whites and African-Americans.

How does the CDC get the number? Primarily from causes of death listed in death certificates from coroners, medical examiners and physicians and demographic information provided by funeral directors.

116 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 11:02:05am

Guys, reply, don’t quote.

117 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 11:02:19am

Confirmed FACT

118 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 11:03:06am

But experts told us the data is likely incomplete because coroners and physicians are under no obligation to detail police involvement in the deaths that they encounter.

119 palomino  Dec 4, 2014 11:03:36am

re: #86 walkingdeadhead

The point being, none of this is racially motivated, but thanks to the Guy Fawkes crowd and the race hustlers and their sycophants in the mainstream media, the Michael Brown situation is being made out to be, much to the detriment of the local business owners in Ferguson, who’s seeing their life work being burnt down thanks to the thugs and anarchists.

Please proceed with your thesis that “none of this” is racially motivated. Race isn’t really a defining feature of American history, right? No racism anymore, right? Law applied equally to whites and blacks, right?

120 Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2014 11:04:09am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

Why no citing of the population of whites (roughly 275 million)? Could fuck up the ratio you want to push? Numbers are a motherfucker.

121 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 11:04:51am
122 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 11:05:10am
123 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 11:05:38am

Looks like Anon has hacked Inez’s Twitter:

124 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:05:53am

re: #121 jaunte

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That’s how a real thug acts.

125 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 11:06:10am

the claim that these shooting/choking killings that come up every month are in any way racial is totally false and unvalidated and oh here is this one really weird and isolated incident with no context or nuance of a true Christian american patriot being persecuted for his religion which means Christianity is under ATTACK all over the US!!!!11

126 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 11:06:26am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Homicidal entitlement.

127 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:06:49am

re: #123 The Vicious Fergushka

Looks like Anon has hacked Inez’s Twitter:

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Well the difference is Howard Zinn never had an active role or desire to shape the DNC’s platform like Barton did with the RNC’s but I’ll give her some brownie points for realizing that the time traveling theocrat is a disgrace.

128 Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2014 11:07:13am

re: #123 The Vicious Fergushka

Looks like Anon has hacked Inez’s Twitter:

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Either that, or one of those blind squirrel moments.

129 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:07:25am

re: #126 jaunte

Homicidal entitlement.

Uh huh and as CL points out, the guy wasn’t shot at by police.

130 palomino  Dec 4, 2014 11:08:33am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

FACT: 123 Blacks were killed by police last year (out of a population of 43 million)
FACT: 326 Whites were killed by police last year
FACT: Officers killed in the line of duty last year: 107 (43 shot by criminals)

TAKEAWAY: There is no such thing in this country as police targeting black youth.

Y’all are funny up in here.

Your “takeaway” is that of a simpleton. The kind of person whose understanding of stats is limited to a box score.

The arrest rates, instances of police brutality, and unarmed dead bodies all refute your claim that young blacks aren’t targeted.

131 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 11:09:59am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

You’re pulling statistics out of your ass considering that no one actually knows how many people are killed by police every year. It’s only extrapolated amount. No actual statistics are kept.

Criminal justice experts note that, while the federal government and national research groups keep scads of data and statistics— on topics ranging from how many people were victims of unprovoked shark attacks (53 in 2013) to the number of hogs and pigs living on farms in the U.S. (upwards of 64,000,000 according to 2010 numbers) — there is no reliable national data on how many people are shot by police officers each year.

The government does, however, keep a database of how many officers are killed in the line of duty. In 2012, the most recent year for which FBI data is available, it was 48 - 44 of them killed with firearms.

But how many people in the United States were shot, or killed, by law enforcement officers during that year? No one knows.

Officials with the Justice Department keep no comprehensive database or record of police shootings, instead allowing the nation’s more than 17,000 law enforcement agencies to self-report officer-involved shootings as part of the FBI’s annual data on “justifiable homicides” by law enforcement.

That number - which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies - hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable.

“What’s there is crappy data,” said David A. Klinger, a former police officer and criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri who studies police use of force.

Several independent trackers, primarily journalists and academics who study criminal justice, insist the accurate number of people shot and killed by police officers each year is consistently upwards of 1,000 each year.

When people start trying to compile the figures, it is roughly 1,000 per year.

As of September 1, according to Burghart’s estimates, 83 other people had been killed by police officers in the United States since Michael Brown’s death.

And those numbers dwarf the figures of incidents where cops fired their weapons but didn’t kill anyone.

132 iossarian  Dec 4, 2014 11:10:07am

re: #130 palomino

Your “takeaway” is that of a simpleton.

Couldn’t agree more.

The arrest rates, instances of police brutality, and unarmed dead bodies all refute your claim that young blacks aren’t targeted.

It’s annoying when trolls refuse to engage on facts, isn’t it?

133 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 11:10:51am

re: #29 b.d.

You forgot the watermark.

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Looks like the goat is singing the blues!

134 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 11:11:14am

re: #132 iossarian

Couldn’t agree more.

It’s annoying when trolls refuse to engage on facts, isn’t it?

But he said “FACT” in his original post. Why would he need to say anything else?
/

135 Lidane  Dec 4, 2014 11:12:59am

My surprise, etc. —

136 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 11:14:08am

re: #99 walkingdeadhead

FACT: You’re an asshole
FACT: See the fact above.

137 #FergusonFireside  Dec 4, 2014 11:14:30am

Please stop feeding the troll. I’m missing good comments scrolling through the whole damn thread.

138 iossarian  Dec 4, 2014 11:14:35am

re: #134 Kragar

But he said “FACT” in his original post. Why would he need to say anything else?
/

It’s tiresome. The whole reason I signed up for LGF in the first place was to have fact-based discussions with people from the “other side”. Some of those were actually somewhat thoughtful! It’s worth wading through a certain amount of muck to get to that point.

This guy just seems to be a poop-slinger though.

139 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:15:52am

re: #135 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

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Yeah not surprised. I think that case has me the most saddened on a personal level having a brother around Tamir’s age.

140 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 11:17:34am
141 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 11:20:52am
142 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:21:38am

re: #141 jaunte

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Horrifying.

143 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 11:22:37am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

..none of the workers — nor the eight cops on hand — can be seen in the video administering any aid to Garner…

It’s not just the police.

144 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 11:23:21am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Well the difference is Howard Zinn never had an active role or desire to shape the DNC’s platform like Barton did with the RNC’s but I’ll give her some brownie points for realizing that the time traveling theocrat is a disgrace.

Also Zinn didn’t make up facts, just reinterpreted them from different perspectives. Also A Peoples History was meant as a supplementary text, not a primary text.

145 gwangung  Dec 4, 2014 11:23:35am

re: #141 jaunte

Hm….I would think that if someone died after complaining of not being able to breathe and no one gave aid, it would merit an investigation and punishment of the people involved.

146 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:24:04am

re: #141 jaunte

You know it’s bad when it’s Murdoch’s NY Post reporting the story.

147 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:25:10am

re: #144 Ace-o-aces

Also Zinn didn’t make up facts, just reinterpreted them from different perspectives. Also A Peoples History was meant as a supplementary text, not a primary text.

Right, that too.

148 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:25:37am

re: #145 gwangung

Hm….I would think that if someone died after complaining of not being able to breathe and no one gave aid, it would merit an investigation and punishment of the people involved.

You would think but we don’t live in a rational world unfortunately.

149 SpaceJesus  Dec 4, 2014 11:25:51am

gawker.com

150 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 11:26:19am

Using the asshole’s crime data and the 2012 US population data:

Blacks: 123/38,929,319 = 3.16 Blacks per million are killed by cops
White: 326/223,553,265 = 1.46 Whites per million are killed by cops

Oooooooops. You’re dismissed.

Edit: Running a simple test of proportions yields a highly statistically significant two-tailed P-value of < 0.0001

151 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:28:09am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

Using the asshole’s crime data and the 2012 US population data:

Blacks: 123/38,929,319 = 3.16 Blacks per million are killed by cops
White: 326/223,553,265 = 1.46 Whites per million are killed by cops

Oooooooops. You’re dismissed.

The ratio is even worse when you look at males between the ages of 15-19 being killed by cops by race.

152 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 11:29:45am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

Using the asshole’s crime data and the 2012 US population data:

Blacks: 123/38,929,319 = 3.16 Blacks per million are killed by cops
White: 326/223,553,265 = 1.46 Whites per million are killed by cops

Oooooooops. You’re dismissed.

Yup. Disproportionate impact. Racial profiling. And minorities are killed at a greater rate than whites as a result of excessive force and officer involved shootings. There’s no way around it. Even with the paucity of statistics, what we see is horrifying enough.

Though not nearly as horrifying as the fact that so many people deny the bloody reality.

153 darthstar  Dec 4, 2014 11:30:31am
154 ipsos  Dec 4, 2014 11:30:36am

The image that I still can’t get out of my mind is yesterday afternoon. I’m in the family room, the TV’s on with news of the no-bill in the Garner case, and my first-grader is home from school and playing with the two kids from next door.

I’m on the sofa, they’re on the floor playing their version of Monopoly (when you’re six, you can pretty much buy and sell whatever you want), my little guy’s focused on the game, but the neighbor kids (kindergarten and second grade) keep looking up warily at the TV every time they’re talking about Garner or Tamir Rice.

Oh, right, I forgot to mention: the neighbor kids are biracial. And in a nation founded on the idea that all men are created equal, they’re going to end up growing up with very different experiences and different ways of looking at the world than my kid will. Same neighborhood, same socioeconomic background, same politics at home (their mom is the most progressive LDS divorcee I have ever known, and an awesome lady all around), but still different universes.

What American dream?

155 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:30:43am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

The ratio is even worse when you look at males between the ages of 15-19 being killed by cops by race.

And that is the point the asshole was trying to make.

TAKEAWAY: There is no such thing in this country as police targeting black youth.

From my post above:

The site reported: “The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.”

156 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:32:37am

I always thought you had to have considerable training and qualifications to be a cop…Is the bar a lot lower than that?

I’m honestly curious. In a country where the bad cops seem to outnumber the good, I’d really like to know where the problem lies.

157 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:33:04am

Also, how many of those who interfered with the protesters were dancing and clapping for Jesus at Church this past Sunday?

158 Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2014 11:33:37am

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

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Unfortunately I can’t find a reliable source to back this up.

159 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:34:26am

re: #154 ipsos

And in a nation founded on the idea that all men are created equal

Since the people who wrote that were slave owners, they certainly never meant it to apply to those people, and we’ve been trying to overcome that colossal fuck up since 1776.

160 Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2014 11:34:28am

re: #107 Skip Intro

You left something out.

cnn.com

Also, it’s always a good idea to post links to your stats. Sometimes posters try to mislead.

It was painfully obvious he was cooking the books the second that he left out the aggregate white population.

161 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 11:34:42am

re: #97 Skip Intro

People have been asking for this feature for years, though; the good part of it is that the trolling “noise” is reduced. I tried to split the difference and let you still see the comment if you want.

Anyway, I’m still not totally sure I’ll keep the feature - it’s sort of an experiment right now.

162 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:35:01am

re: #160 Mike Lamb

It was painfully obvious he was cooking the books the second that he left out the aggregate white population.

Freeper tactics.

163 Zamb  Dec 4, 2014 11:36:05am

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

I always thought you had to have considerable training and qualifications to be a cop…Is the bar a lot lower than that?

I’m honestly curious. In a country where the bad cops seem to outnumber the good, I’d really like to know where the problem lies.

I’m certain the bar has been lowered, all the crime and violence porn people see along with fear mongering from various news organizations leads people to think they are in constant danger and the only way to fix that is more cops. So those that might not have made it through in the first wave get in on the second.

164 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 11:36:18am
165 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:36:46am

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

I always thought you had to have considerable training and qualifications to be a cop…Is the bar a lot lower than that?

I’m honestly curious. In a country where the bad cops seem to outnumber the good, I’d really like to know where the problem lies.

It lies at the top, then filters down the chain to the newest recruits. You either go along to get along, or you get the hell out.

166 Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2014 11:36:50am

re: #49 Kragar

Will she STFU if we just send her this?

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Where’d they find a Metamorpho action figure? Want!

167 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:36:53am

re: #164 Kragar

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or a cup of get the fuck over it already.

168 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:37:17am

I finally watched the Garner video. Man. Tough to watch.

169 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 11:37:20am

re: #141 jaunte

4 EMS workers barred from duty after failing to render aid to #EricGarner

Horse, barn door, etc.

170 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 11:37:29am

re: #121 jaunte

The police are already setting up his defense with the “when did you stop beating your wife” type quote:

Police spokesperson Leah Freeman noted that no one had been seriously hurt.

The driver was taken into custody by police. Freeman said that it was not clear if he hit the protesters after swerving to go around them or if they had jumped in front of his minivan.

171 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 11:37:36am

OFFS:

And how quickly before the same chattering nabobs will claim that this too was a justified killing because the guy had oxycodone and may have been a drug dealer.

172 iossarian  Dec 4, 2014 11:37:41am

re: #161 Charles Johnson

My vote: I think it’s a net positive to deal with people who don’t engage in good faith in this way.

173 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 11:38:48am

re: #161 Charles Johnson

People have been asking for this feature for years, though; the good part of it is that the trolling “noise” is reduced. I tried to split the difference and let you still see the comment if you want.

Anyway, I’m still not totally sure I’ll keep the feature - it’s sort of an experiment right now.

My 2 cents: I like the feature.

174 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:38:52am

re: #171 lawhawk

OFFS:

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And how quickly before the same chattering nabobs will claim that this too was a justified killing because the guy had oxycodone and may have been a drug dealer.

A FUCKING PILL BOTTLE?!!?!? Yeah fuck this shit man. Fuck the police. I’m sorry but goddamn it. You can’t tell me that in any seriousness that this fucker mistook a pill bottle for a gun.

175 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 11:39:18am

So, for the crime of engaging in free speech, Rams players are now getting death threats for having shown solidarity with #Ferguson protesters.

176 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:39:42am

I feel like some of these cops need elementary school style picture tests with two big boards:

Guns

NOT Guns

177 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:40:04am

re: #175 lawhawk

So, for the crime of engaging in free speech, Rams players are now getting death threats for having shown solidarity with #Ferguson protesters.

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That’s to be expected unfortunately.

178 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:40:20am

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel like some of these cops need elementary school style picture tests with two big boards:

Guns

NOT Guns

Yeah you ain’t kidding.

179 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 11:40:21am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

A FUCKING PILL BOTTLE?!!?!? Yeah fuck this shit man. Fuck the police. I’m sorry but goddamn it. You can’t tell me that in any seriousness that this fucker mistook a pill bottle for a gun.

HE HAD VICODIN!!!!! HE MUST HAVE ROBBED A PHARMACY!!!11!!!!

Even though you can’t even get Vicodin at a pharmacy any more.

180 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:40:29am

re: #175 lawhawk

So, for the crime of engaging in free speech, Rams players are now getting death threats for having shown solidarity with #Ferguson protesters.

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Fuck this thing is getting out of hand. And don’t tell me it’s not about race. Notice the color of all those players? I wonder if these were 5 white players would they be getting threats too?

181 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:41:39am

re: #175 lawhawk

So, for the crime of engaging in free speech, Rams players are now getting death threats for having shown solidarity with #Ferguson protesters.

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More evidence of a post racial America.

182 Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2014 11:41:52am

re: #63 The Vicious Fergushka

The Worst Christmas Song I Have Heard This Year:

A “slow ballad” styling of “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus”
AAAAyyyyeeee saaaawwwww Moooommmmmyyyy kiiiiiissssiiiinngg Saaaaaaaaannnnnnta Claaaauuuuuus

I was in the checkout line at the supermarket and I rolled my eyes and said to the cashier “Just shoot me now!”

And the old lady in line behind me was like “You heathen! You must be Muslim!”

Do you shop at the same place I do? Because they played that one and I came very close to being a newspaper headline.

And some people wonder why I’m so misanthropic and agoraphobic.

183 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:42:21am

See, this is the thing. It’s not about Michael Brown, Eric Garner, or Tamir Rice individually. It’s about unarmed people usually blacks being killed by cops usually whites all the goddamned time and no attempt for justice because the fucking prosecutors and grand juries can’t bring themselves to the idea that a cop is capable of murder.

184 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:42:32am

Youtube Video

Who knew Family Guy could nail it so well…

185 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:45:24am

re: #171 lawhawk

OFFS:

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And how quickly before the same chattering nabobs will claim that this too was a justified killing because the guy had oxycodone and may have been a drug dealer.

Are tasers in short supply these days? I can understand the cop being suspicious, but shooting to kill seems a little over the top here.

186 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:45:32am

I’ve listened to about an hour of Christmas music in the past day and I can honestly say I’ve heard all the classics I want to.

Among a few of my “must listens”:

- Anything by Josh Groban (in particular O Holy Night)
- Feliz Navidad
- Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire
- Little Dummer Boy
- Sarajevo 12/24
- Snoopy’s Christmas
- Little Saint Nick (Beach Boys)
- Here comes Santa Claus (Elvis)

187 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 11:45:45am
188 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 11:46:23am

re: #182 Romantic Heretic

Do you shop at the same place I do? Because they played that one and I came very close to being a newspaper headline.

And some people wonder why I’m so misanthropic and agoraphobic.

I can’t even begin to imagine the amount of drugs and alcohol that were involved in inspiring an artist to sing that song at the same tempo as “Send In The Clowns” (one of the Worst Songs Ever)

189 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 11:46:25am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

190 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 11:46:48am

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve listened to about an hour of Christmas music in the past day and I can honestly say I’ve heard all the classics I want to.

Among a few of my “must listens”:

- Anything by Josh Groban (in particular O Holy Night)
- Feliz Navidad
- Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire
- Little Dummer Boy
- Sarajevo 12/24
- Snoopy’s Christmas
- Little Saint Nick (Beach Boys)
- Here comes Santa Claus (Elvis)

Billy Squire “Christmas is a time to say I love you”

191 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:47:48am

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

The only good Christmas song is Baby it’s cold outside, and that isn’t even a Christmas song. Norah Jones’ and Willie Nelson’s version does it for me.

I think I’ll add Let it snow, Matt Monro version, to my tiny list.

192 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 11:48:30am

re: #187 Charles Johnson

That number seems low.

193 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:49:27am

re: #189 lawhawk

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Right and I hear older whites like my mom and grandmother wonder why African Americans don’t trust the police. Well, it’s because of this. My grandmother was bringing up that her people (Eastern Europeans) faced discrimination when they first emigrated here and that certainly was true. The difference is their descendants don’t face discrimination because of their nationality. I’ve never been except in absolute jest been given shit for being Eastern European/Irish/German. African Americans OTOH face automatic suspicion because of their skin color. And you’re right these are daily occurrences. They happen everywhere.

194 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 11:50:04am

re:
#175

Rams Players Receive Death Threats

Not from any true Christian patriot Americans, surely. They’re all too busy working, at least that’s what the SMOTI and other RWNJ say.

195 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 11:50:41am

re: #91 Zamb

I don’t think the constitution is a form a culture, also the bill of rights is part of the constitution.

Executive Orders are also foreseen in the Constitution, but I guess nobody back then foresaw a black President…

196 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:50:44am

I don’t mind Christmas music really but if I have to express a couple dislikes. I don’t like Jingle Bell Rock and Grandma Got Ran Over By a Reindeer that much. Fellicano’s Feliz Navidad bothers me too. That guy’s voice is too nasally.

197 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 11:52:28am

re: #49 Kragar

Will she STFU if we just send her this?

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That wins the internets today.

I want one.

198 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:52:39am

The other thing is that this isn’t new. Thankfully due to things like cell phone cameras that the common bystander is able to record things like Garner’s death and get it out as quickly as possible. Couldn’t do that as easily in the past.

199 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 11:53:08am

I generally hate all secular Christmas music because I am grinchy that way. Here is my WORST LIST:

10. “Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time”
9. “Rockin’ Around The Christmas Tree”
8. “It’s Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas”
7. “Jingle Bell Rock”
6. “Walkin’ In A Winter Wonderland”
5. “Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer”
4. “Holly Jolly Christmas”
3. “Chestnuts Roasting”
2. jazz styling of “Jingle Bells”
1. “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” sung “slow ballad” style (this “song”— and I use the term with extreme generosity—needs to die in a fire)

200 b.d.  Dec 4, 2014 11:53:37am

Things are so bad at MSNBC that Ronan Farrow’s show drew 13,000 total viewers on Monday, December 1.

The Sham Wow guy had more viewers.

politicususa.com

201 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 11:53:40am

re: #190 Kragar

Greg Lake’s I Believe in Father Christmas. That’s it. And mostly because it’s a critique of the crass commercialization of Christmas.

Youtube Video

202 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:53:53am

re: #197 Aunty Entity Dragon

That wins the internets today.

I want one.

I missed that earlier. So full of win. Definitely love the Bill and Ted being there. That movie was what led to one of my first Asperger obsessions- time travel.

203 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 11:54:56am

re:
#25

Oh, look. It’s that time of year again.

Bill O’Reilly Launches First Counter-Offensive In The ‘War On Christmas’

Christmas would have already been defeated and exterminated already if it weren’t for Faux News and Bill Ohreally?

Just as AwardWinning Journalist Chuck c. Johnson single-handedly stopped the Ebola crisis by publishing addresses.

///

204 Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2014 11:57:09am

re: #132 iossarian

Couldn’t agree more.

It’s annoying when trolls refuse to engage on facts, isn’t it?

They know they don’t have a choice because facts have a liberal bias.

So it’s the Gish Gallop for them.

205 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 11:57:32am

All modern Christmas music sucks. Oh G-D Mannheim Steamroller is such suck. I don’t mind the classic carols, unless they are “jazz stylings” then they suck hard.

206 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 11:57:55am

]re: #172 iossarian

My vote: I think it’s a net positive to deal with people who don’t engage in good faith in this way.

Do you think you can change his thinking?

You already admit there is no good faith.

207 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:58:20am

It’s the most wonderful time of the year…

208 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 11:58:38am

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s the most wonderful time of the year…

I hate that song too.

209 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:58:55am

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210 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 11:59:41am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

You left off “It’s the most wonderful time of the year”

I could only get 10 on the Bottom 10 list.

211 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 11:59:47am

re: #208 The Vicious Fergushka

I hate that song too.

Yes, it’s near the top of my list. I noticed it conspicuously absent from yours.

212 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 11:59:56am

re: #206 ObserverArt

]

Do you think you can change his thinking?

You already admit there is no good faith.

I am reading too fast. I didn’t catch your meaning when I made this comment. Sorry.

213 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 11:59:57am

Youtube Video

214 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:00:48pm

I feel like watching Home Alone for some reason now. Thanks guys.

215 EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2014 12:00:50pm

re: #199 The Vicious Fergushka

The only Christmas ‘song’ I dislike more than ‘I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus’ (all versions of this are awful, IMO) is outright garbage like dogs barking ‘Jingle Bells’

216 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 12:01:09pm

Worst Xmas song ever?

THIS —> Youtube Video

I want to punch myself in the face everytime I hear it.

217 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 12:03:31pm

re: #216 Dr. Matt

Worst Xmas song ever?

THIS —-> [Embedded content]

Video

I want to punch myself in the face everytime I hear it.

That’s on my list, I’m checking it twice.

218 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 12:04:05pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I feel like watching Home Alone for some reason now. Thanks guys.

Not Die Hard? Best Christmas movie ever.

219 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:05:07pm

re: #218 Skip Intro

Not Die Hard? Best Christmas movie ever.

I have a special sentimental weakness for HA. For one my brother has the same first name as Culkin’s character in the movie and when they were kids, they were deadringers for each other. Plus, it’s fun to imagine Joe Pesci’s Marv as Tommy from Goodfellas which came out the same year.

220 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 12:05:14pm

There is something about “Little Drummer Boy” that makes we want to toss someone out a window.

221 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 12:06:31pm

I’m trying to think of a Christmas song that I actually like.

Thinking hard.

Hard.

Nope.

Sorry.

They all suck.

222 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 12:06:40pm

re: #220 Kragar

There is something about “Little Drummer Boy” that makes we want to toss someone out a window.<

Hopefully not the little drummer boy…..

//

223 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 12:06:43pm

re: #220 Kragar

Rump-a-pum-pum my ass, and I don’t even want to get started on Frosty the Snowman and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.

224 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:06:59pm

re: #221 The Vicious Fergushka

I’m trying to think of a Christmas song that I actually like.

Thinking hard.

Hard.

Nope.

Sorry.

They all suck.

You’re a mean one, Mrs. Grinch.

225 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 12:07:34pm

re: #220 Kragar

I used to work part-time as a cashier at a gift shop/restaurant/gas station and they used to play a local radio station which played Christmas music 24/7 during Christmas. Imagine listening to that for eight hours a day.

Needless to say, I have an undying hatred of all Christmas music now.

226 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 12:07:36pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

You’re a mean one, Mrs. Grinch.

I like that one!

227 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:07:39pm

re: #205 The Vicious Fergushka

All modern Christmas music sucks. Oh G-D Mannheim Steamroller is such suck. I don’t mind the classic carols, unless they are “jazz stylings” then they suck hard.

A Renaissance Christmas by the Boston Camerata is teh awesome. (No exaggeration to say this is now my favorite Christmas album)
bostoncamerata.com

track 13 Riu, Riu, Chiu is downright amazing.

Youtube Video

228 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:07:55pm

It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won’t see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you

229 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 12:08:28pm

Shoot me….but, I can listen to this one every day during the holidays (reminds me of my father as he played it EVERY x-mas on the turntable)

Youtube Video

230 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:08:34pm

re: #226 The Vicious Fergushka

I like that one!

See, I got your heart to increase three times. But yes I like that one and the animated special with Boris Karloff doing the voiceover.

231 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:09:01pm

re: #229 Dr. Matt

Shoot me….but, I can listen to this one every day during the holidays (reminds me of my father as he played it EVERY x-mas on the turntable)

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Video

See, I dislike that one. I find Jose’s voice way too nasally.

232 Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2014 12:09:03pm

re: #158 Romantic Heretic

Unfortunately I can’t find a reliable source to back this up.

Yeah, I unretweeted (is that a word?) the tweet, but I can’t erase the comment. I actually reported my own comment as inappropriate.

233 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 12:09:08pm
234 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 12:09:50pm

Mind currently under attack from all the Christmas Ear Worms.

235 Tigger2  Dec 4, 2014 12:09:52pm

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

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Damn Thug.

236 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 12:10:33pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

So you’re saying my father was a poser and just following the trends in the 1970s! Them is fighting words :)

237 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:10:33pm

re: #235 Tigger2

Damn Thug.

Should have been shot.// And yes I’m definitely being sarcastic.

238 Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2014 12:11:16pm

re: #225 Timothy Watson

I used to work part-time as a cashier at a gift shop/restaurant/gas station and they used to play a local radio station which played Christmas music 24/7 during Christmas. Imagine listening to that for eight hours a day.

Needless to say, I have an undying hatred of all Christmas music now.

And by “during Christmas”, I mean from the day after Thanksgiving until New Years.

239 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 12:12:16pm

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It’s not worse. The Garner case was caught on video. There wasn’t conflicting evidence. We saw the choke hold. We saw what happened. We saw Garner’s last moments alive as a direct result of the policeman’s actions.

There isn’t anything worse than seeing that evidence and knowing that the grand jury refused to indict. Not even reckless endangerment. No charges.

And yet, the Tamir Rice may ultimately be more horrifying given Rice’s age - he was 12 when cops gave him mere seconds to comply before they shot him dead. That too was caught on video - and the video directly contradicts practically everything that the Cleveland Police and the officer claimed to have happened.

That kids are regularly the victims of excessive force by police is horrifying. When it’s caught on video is worse.

That we as a society do nothing to fix the problem with the justice system and the perpetual injustice caused when cops go free for killing people who did nothing wrong, or where the killings were excessive force. That’s horrifying.

240 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 12:14:00pm

Why don’t the police departments just come out and say their policy is: if an African American is seen as being threatening in any way, just fucking shoot him dead. It seems to be the eventual outcome anyway. Why beat around the bush about it, and waste the time setting up Grand Juries you are going to manipulate.

This way everyone is clear that many whites just don’t want African Americans in this country. A policy like this would force African Americans out of the country and then all the white folk will be really happy.

Win Win…right?

/// x a million. Yeah, I am getting really pissed off about all of this. You can’t tell me that many (like the protesters this thread is about) really want that anyway. Grrrrrr.

241 iossarian  Dec 4, 2014 12:14:24pm

OK: on a slightly more uplifting note, what are people’s preferred Christmas-or-other-cold-weather-holiday musical stylings?

I’ve been on a less-well-known carol kick: A Virgin Most Pure is a good one. Is it OK that it includes the word “Jewry”?

242 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:14:24pm

re: #239 lawhawk

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It’s not worse. The Garner case was caught on video. There wasn’t conflicting evidence. We saw the choke hold. We saw what happened. We saw Garner’s last moments alive as a direct result of the policeman’s actions.

There isn’t anything worse than seeing that evidence and knowing that the grand jury refused to indict. Not even reckless endangerment. No charges.

And yet, the Tamir Rice may ultimately be more horrifying given Rice’s age - he was 12 when cops gave him mere seconds to comply before they shot him dead. That too was caught on video - and the video directly contradicts practically everything that the Cleveland Police and the officer claimed to have happened.

That kids are regularly the victims of excessive force by police is horrifying. When it’s caught on video is worse.

That we as a society do nothing to fix the problem with the justice system and the perpetual injustice caused when cops go free for killing people who did nothing wrong, or where the killings were excessive force. That’s horrifying.

I have a special empathy for the autistic victims of police brutality given my own condition. I have no doubt at all that had my own socio-economic and racial upbringing background been different, I could well have faced many a situation. There’s a local case here in VA getting some attention by the way. The man thankfully wasn’t killed but he’s suffering in VA’s prison system.

243 klystron  Dec 4, 2014 12:15:27pm

One of the best Christmas songs you rarely hear:

Youtube Video

244 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 12:15:28pm

re: #241 iossarian

OK: on a slightly more uplifting note, what are people’s preferred Christmas-or-other-cold-weather-holiday musical stylings?

I’ve been on a less-well-known carol kick: A Virgin Most Pure is a good one. Is it OK that it includes the word “Jewry”?

Anything by Bach or Handel.

245 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:15:34pm

re: #241 iossarian

OK: on a slightly more uplifting note, what are people’s preferred Christmas-or-other-cold-weather-holiday musical stylings?

I’ve been on a less-well-known carol kick: A Virgin Most Pure is a good one. Is it OK that it includes the word “Jewry”?

I like the Pogues’ Fairytale of New York. I actually don’t mind a lot of the listed here. I think a lot of it depends on the singer. There are exceptions though. I loathe Grandma Got Ran Over By a Reindeer.

246 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:16:22pm

re: #239 lawhawk

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It’s not worse. The Garner case was caught on video. There wasn’t conflicting evidence. We saw the choke hold. We saw what happened. We saw Garner’s last moments alive as a direct result of the policeman’s actions.

There isn’t anything worse than seeing that evidence and knowing that the grand jury refused to indict. Not even reckless endangerment. No charges.

And yet, the Tamir Rice may ultimately be more horrifying given Rice’s age - he was 12 when cops gave him mere seconds to comply before they shot him dead. That too was caught on video - and the video directly contradicts practically everything that the Cleveland Police and the officer claimed to have happened.

That kids are regularly the victims of excessive force by police is horrifying. When it’s caught on video is worse.

That we as a society do nothing to fix the problem with the justice system and the perpetual injustice caused when cops go free for killing people who did nothing wrong, or where the killings were excessive force. That’s horrifying.

He didn’t even have seconds to comply.

He had no time at all. From the time the car enters the picture to the time he is bleeding out in the snow is two seconds. He was shot before the car even came to a complete halt.

He never had a chance. Not only could the officers NOT have made three demands to him, it is humanly imossible to process and comply with barked and unexpected orders in fractional second amounts of time.

247 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2014 12:16:48pm

I love classical music, so yeah I do enjoy the old traditional carols BUT NOT MODERN STYLINGS.

248 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:17:07pm

re: #241 iossarian

OK: on a slightly more uplifting note, what are people’s preferred Christmas-or-other-cold-weather-holiday musical stylings?

I’ve been on a less-well-known carol kick: A Virgin Most Pure is a good one. Is it OK that it includes the word “Jewry”?

Youtube Video

Here ya go.

249 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:17:41pm

re: #247 The Vicious Fergushka

I love classical music, so yeah I do enjoy the old traditional carols BUT NOT MODERN STYLINGS.

Check out the youtube entry I just put above.

250 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:18:37pm

re: #246 Aunty Entity Dragon

He didn’t even have seconds to comply.

He had no time at all. From the time the car enters the picture to the time he is bleeding out in the snow is two seconds. He was shot before the car even came to a complete halt.

He never had a chance. Not only could the officers NOT have made three demands to him, it is humanly imossible to process and comply with barked and unexpected orders in fractional second amounts of time.

When I first saw the video to the Rice case, my first thoughts were that it resembled a gangland drive by shooting. You’re absolutely right. They didn’t give him a chance and now we find out that the officer involved was considered unstable and asked to leave his previous department. Agh.

251 Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2014 12:19:14pm

The one Christmas song that embodies the true Christmas spirit has to be Santa, Baby, sung by Madonna.

252 klystron  Dec 4, 2014 12:19:19pm

re: #241 iossarian

OK: on a slightly more uplifting note, what are people’s preferred Christmas-or-other-cold-weather-holiday musical stylings?

I’ve been on a less-well-known carol kick: A Virgin Most Pure is a good one. Is it OK that it includes the word “Jewry”?

I am a sucker for Christmas music. All of it. Even the stuff most of you hate.

I follow strict rules about when it is acceptable to play it, however, and nothing before Thanksgiving or after the 6th of January. Most of the time when it is other people around it will be more instrumental/classical/choir stuff instead of the modern pop stuff or the Celtic varieties.

Raleigh Ringers is a fantastic handbell choir that has some really nice Christmas stuff out. As someone who has played in a handbell choir, I can confirm these guys are …phenomenal.

253 CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2014 12:19:22pm

This racism and police brutality is a festering boil on the ass of America that got popped, and now everyone who wasn’t previously aware of it (due to having experienced it in some form) is horrified. This crap is every bit as much part of our country as baseball and apple pie, but people who have the luxury of being able to ignore it don’t want to admit to or deal with it.

It’s the same with homophobia, islamophobia, sexism, and all the other rank, bigoted bullshit that goes on where the victims are blamed and painted as liars seeking special privileges. There are some special privileges at stake here alright, but people are fighting tooth & nail to maintain them because they apparently feel that this is a zero sum game.

It’s time to grow up, America. Stop clinging to a past that was only idyllic for some, and face this infection head on.

That is all.

254 Jenner7  Dec 4, 2014 12:19:26pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile, white man uses van to hit people, pulls gun out when people try to get him to stop….

gets to go home, still breathing.

255 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 12:19:34pm

Here’s a Christmas song that doesn’t suck: Sufjan Stevens - I’ll Be Home For Christmas.

Youtube Video

256 iossarian  Dec 4, 2014 12:20:07pm

re: #248 Aunty Entity Dragon

Cool! Thanks for that one.

257 gwangung  Dec 4, 2014 12:20:46pm

re: #246 Aunty Entity Dragon

He didn’t even have seconds to comply.

He had no time at all. From the time the car enters the picture to the time he is bleeding out in the snow is two seconds. He was shot before the car even came to a complete halt.

He never had a chance. Not only could the officers NOT have made three demands to him, it is humanly imossible to process and comply with barked and unexpected orders in fractional second amounts of time.

And what’s worse is that if this was a dangerous felon, that action is the perfect way to get a cop killed.

Which really suggests that the Cleveland police DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY’RE DOING.

258 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:20:47pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

This racism and police brutality is a festering boil on the ass of America that got popped, and now everyone who wasn’t previously aware of it (due to having experienced it in some form) is horrified. This crap is every bit as much part of our country as baseball and apple pie, but people who have the luxury of being able to ignore it don’t want to admit to or deal with it.

It’s the same with homophobia, islamophobia, sexism, and all the other rank, bigoted bullshit that goes on where the victims are blamed and painted as liars seeking special privileges. There are some special privileges at stake here alright, but people are fighting tooth & nail to maintain them because they apparently feel that this is a zero sum game.

It’s time to grow up, America. Stop clinging to a past that was only idyllic for some, and face this infection head on.

That is all.

I regret that I don’t have enough updings for this CL. So brilliantly said and much better than I could. And you’re right. IT’s the same with the other shit where the victims are blamed or accused of wanting special privilege.

259 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 12:21:26pm
260 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 12:22:27pm

re: #221 The Vicious Fergushka

I’m trying to think of a Christmas song that I actually like.

Thinking hard.

Hard.

Nope.

Sorry.

They all suck.

Even Jethro Tull?

261 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:23:24pm

re: #259 Dr. Matt

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Fred Malek and his pals burned a dog to death. His reward? Nice job in the Nixon WH. Oh and the GOP staffer attacking the Obama girls? Got arrested for shoplifting.

262 Kryptik  Dec 4, 2014 12:23:30pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

I agree that the boil has been lanced.

I’m not sure I agree that ‘everyone who wasn’t aware before is horrified’. Seems like some of the folks being confronted by these incidents see them and like precisely what they see.

263 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 12:24:17pm

re: #203 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#25

Christmas would have already been defeated and exterminated already if it weren’t for Faux News and Bill Ohreally?

Just as AwardWinning Journalist Chuck c. Johnson single-handedly stopped the Ebola crisis by publishing addresses.

///

Don’t forget, the mighty Kirk Cameron is Saving Christmas this year! (down to a 1.3 on imdb right now—#1 on the Bottom 100—WINNING!) imdb.com

264 klystron  Dec 4, 2014 12:24:41pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

This racism and police brutality is a festering boil on the ass of America that got popped, and now everyone who wasn’t previously aware of it (due to having experienced it in some form) is horrified. This crap is every bit as much part of our country as baseball and apple pie, but people who have the luxury of being able to ignore it don’t want to admit to or deal with it.

It’s the same with homophobia, islamophobia, sexism, and all the other rank, bigoted bullshit that goes on where the victims are blamed and painted as liars seeking special privileges. There are some special privileges at stake here alright, but people are fighting tooth & nail to maintain them because they apparently feel that this is a zero sum game.

It’s time to grow up, America. Stop clinging to a past that was only idyllic for some, and face this infection head on.

That is all.

For a lot of people, having to treat others as human instead of inferiors is a loss of part of their self-image.

I think this is especially true when someone has built up this mythos that what they have, they have earned. Acknowledging all the subtle ways things were easier for them means that they wouldn’t be able to look down on those who haven’t ‘earned’ what they have, which equates to devaluing the work they put in (in their minds).

265 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 12:24:42pm

re: #259 Dr. Matt

[Dr. Matt @DrMatthew

Mike Huckabee’s son hung a stray dog to death from a tree at Boy Scout camp, but no charges were filed. #CrimingWhileWhite #Heroes]

Isn’t that considered one of the precursors to being a mass murderer?

Nice Christian family you got the Mike.

266 Sionainn  Dec 4, 2014 12:25:54pm

re: #243 klystron

One of the best Christmas songs you rarely hear:

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Video

I lasted 20 seconds.

267 Zamb  Dec 4, 2014 12:26:15pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

There are some special privileges at stake here alright, but people are fighting tooth & nail to maintain them because they apparently feel that this is a zero sum game.

I was seeing some people seriously declaring that Obama is going to require quotas on arresting/shooting more white people as a fix for this situation. It isn’t a competition.

268 wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2014 12:26:25pm

Youtube Video

269 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:26:30pm

re: #265 ObserverArt

Isn’t that considered one of the precursors to being a mass murderer?

Nice Christian family you got the Mike.

Serial murderer, yeah. There’s that, bed wetting, and coming from an abusive environment that are considered harbingers of a possible serial killer.

270 Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2014 12:26:57pm

re: #265 ObserverArt

Isn’t that considered one of the precursors to being a mass murderer?

Nice Christian family you got the Mike.

And the Huckster was on NewsMax TV whining that Obama Invited Thugs, Rioters And Mob Members To Come To White House. He doesn’t realized he raised a thug.

271 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:27:05pm

re: #267 Zamb

I was seeing some people seriously declaring that Obama is going to require quotas on arresting/shooting more white people as a fix for this situation. It isn’t a competition.

We lost any idea of a “loyal opposition” years ago. Instead we have a batshit insane opposition that things Obama is out to get em.

272 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:27:37pm

re: #270 Dr. Matt

And the Huckster was on NewsMax TV whining that Obama Invited Thugs, Rioters And Mob Members To Come To White House. He doesn’t realized he raised a thug.

That’s because Fuckabee is a thug himself who would be happy to be in Uganda pulling the noose or gun on gay people.

273 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 12:27:44pm

It’s predictable. The NYPD PBA is claiming that cops feel like they’re being thrown under the bus [ME: but not stated: for the failure to get an indictment against a cop on video shown using an illegal chokehold and killing an unarmed black man].

Right, holding police accountable for their actions - good and bad - is throwing them under the bus. Demanding professionalism and respect and courtesy is too much? That’s throwing them under the bus?

Can I get a fainting couch for Pat Lynch? Seriously.

I get that cops have a tough job. But their job doesn’t extend to killing people and not facing the consequences for those killings.

274 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:29:08pm

More fun with our fine, upstanding professional heroes at policeone.com:

Posted by adje on Thursday, December 04, 2014 07:28 PM Pacific Report Abuse

The nation is now suffering from a media-induced hysterical delusion that white cops are hunting and murdering innocent black men. The constant challenge I hear even from friends is “How can you defend it? It’s on video!” My reply is that it’s because it’s on video, I can defend it. Everyone in the media, including FOX, are repeatedly lying about the facts of the case, the autopsy report, the Grand Jury process, even the nature of criminal law (like the need to show elements of the crime, probable cause, etc.). This includes all of the talking head lawyers, who actually know the law. It is difficult to escape the conclusion that this is deliberate incitement to racial violence. Stupid doesn’t come close to excusing what I’ve been seeing on the news since last night. Hell, Greta Van Susternan and her retired DC Detective shut down a young woman prosecutor who was trying to rationally explain things like probable cause and elements of the crime. Just shouted her down and went to commercial. Again, hard to escape that this is intentional.

Posted by randy646 on Thursday, December 04, 2014 06:52 PM Pacific Report Abuse

Guys beware! A wanta be journalist named Bonnie Kristian from a media online place called Speed Read which is nothing but a joke of journalism. She is crusing our post and screen shooting them for her twisted view slimy article.


Posted by SAPDMAS on Thursday, December 04, 2014 06:03 PM Pacific

Bad uniformed cops that abuse people don’t last long anymore. They get fired pretty quick. Now are there crooked cops. Sure, I am sure that there are crooked cops that take bribes and deal dope . But we are talking about criminals hiding behind a badge.

A racist and abusive uniformed cop will not last a year in this day and age. We are video recorded, GPS tracked and not to mention recorded by everyone . These so called activists should stick to a cause that is more rampant like young black men shooting other young black men.

Posted by zama on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:29 PM Pacific

I have noticed lately (even in this article) the tendency to use the phrase ‘unarmed’ while NOT including the ‘resisting’ phrase. I am of a belief there is an organized process in the media these days to instigate and promote a distrust and overall negative outlook toward law enforcement. I’m not saying there are no bad cops, but when the ‘appearance’ that is widespread throughout the country, it makes me wonder.

Posted by VON1 on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:12 PM Pacific Report Abuse

So I have plenty of yard work to do today but I’ll throw my dime in the post pot.

Give them everything they want nothing will change.
I want to make something very clear here. The word “They” “You People”, “those people” I want to be very clear I’m not referring to just the blacks protesting. Look at the crowd there are a very large amount of white, Hispanic and even the Muslims with all their head gear protesting as well.
College liberals, professors, and organized protesters that are jumping on any cause. So when you look at the Protest and the people marching and shouting they are a different breed then the ones causing the violent acts. So lets be careful when we post to realize violence and mistrust for the system comes in all flavors.


Posted by jonboi6 on Thursday, December 04, 2014 03:55 PM Pacific

The main cause of Garner’s death was him resisting arrest.


Posted by lingjo on Thursday, December 04, 2014 03:46 PM Pacific Report Abuse

Ok, what do my brothers and sisters behind the badge think of this? It looks like Ofcr. Pantaleo was attempting to use a “Shoulder Pin” (PPCT) hold to gain compliance. Note that he has entered the hold by slipping under Garner’s arm / shoulder just as in the PPCT action. To an untrained eye, the PPCT Shoulder Pin would probably look just like a choke hold. Thoughts? I would especially like to hear from some PPCT / SSGT / H2H combatives instructors.

J.O.
LEO - Central Alabama, 13 years

Oops! They found out the sheep are watching them!

275 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 12:29:29pm

Sufjan Stevens actually has two huge compilations of Christmas music - probably more than 100 songs total. All of them very different from the versions you usually hear.

276 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 12:29:56pm

Since there is mention of Christmas songs…how about a little ditty from Akron Ohio’s The Waitresses featuring Patty Donahue on vocals.

Youtube Video

277 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:29:57pm

re: #273 lawhawk

It’s predictable. The NYPD PBA is claiming that cops feel like they’re being thrown under the bus [ME: but not stated: for the failure to get an indictment against a cop on video shown using an illegal chokehold and killing an unarmed black man].

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Right, holding police accountable for their actions - good and bad - is throwing them under the bus. Demanding professionalism and respect and courtesy is too much? That’s throwing them under the bus?

Can I get a fainting couch for Pat Lynch? Seriously.

I get that cops have a tough job. But their job doesn’t extend to killing people and not facing the consequences for those killings.

I’ve given up feeling any sympathy for them. Maybe they should stop killing unarmed suspects and acting like bullies to anyone who doesn’t treat them like Gods on earth. I was brought up to respect the police and I won’t go out of my way looking for a confrontation but my days of respecting the police are done until they show they want to respect the rights of all Americans.

278 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 12:29:58pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Nope. That’s a bridge too far.

279 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 12:30:06pm

Did I make you cry on christmas day? (Well, you deserved it) - Sufjan Stevens

Youtube Video

280 gwangung  Dec 4, 2014 12:30:08pm

re: #273 lawhawk

They feel thrown under the bus?

Well, let me back up and go back and forth a few times.

281 Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2014 12:30:41pm

State Senate to quickly take up right-to-work legislation

After years of seeking to change the subject, the top leader in the state Senate made clear Thursday that lawmakers in his house would debate the issue of so-called “right-to-work” legislation within weeks and bring the volatile issue of union law back into the statehouse.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) told conservative talk radio host Charlie Sykes of WTMJ-AM (620) that he was considering so-called “open shop” legislation to prohibit employers from striking deals with private-sector unions to require workers to pay dues. He said he was considering making Wisconsin the first state in the nation to attempt to exempt certain private workers such as the operators of earthmovers who have supported Wisconsin Republicans in recent years.

It was a complete shift from the general election rhetoric of Republicans in recent months who have said that the issue is a distraction and not a priority.

“We can’t tiptoe through this session without addressing this. We’re not tackling this six months from now. We’re not tackling this a year from now…there’s no way we avoid this issue. We have to deal with this issue right now,” Fitzgerald said.

282 klystron  Dec 4, 2014 12:30:49pm

re: #266 Sionainn

I lasted 20 seconds.

It grows on you! (Like a fungus…)

283 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:31:28pm

re: #281 Amory Blaine

State Senate to quickly take up right-to-work legislation

Sad to see this happening in a state that historically has been quite labor friendly.

284 Sionainn  Dec 4, 2014 12:31:43pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Here’s a Christmas song that doesn’t suck: Sufjan Stevens - I’ll Be Home For Christmas.

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Video

I lasted 9 seconds.

285 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 12:32:12pm

And of course, the classic “I’m a Christmas Unicorn.”

Youtube Video

286 CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2014 12:32:41pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I regret that I don’t have enough updings for this CL. So brilliantly said and much better than I could. And you’re right. IT’s the same with the other shit where the victims are blamed or accused of wanting special privilege.

Yeah, I was just thinking I forgot to add antisemitism. Funny, because it’s the book on that very subject that I’ve been (slowly) reading which has helped recognize & articulate what has been going on for… well, forever, I suppose. As long as there have been people.

If we can’t figure out a way to evolve without one group having it’s foot on the neck of another, then… I dunno. We’re not as advanced as we think we are. *sigh… smh*

As long as you keep a person down, some part of you has to be down there to hold him down, so it means you cannot soar as you otherwise might. —Marian Anderson

287 Randall Gross  Dec 4, 2014 12:33:20pm

My two favorites

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I’m an atheist who doesn’t “believe” but I can like the sentiment behind the myths.

288 CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2014 12:34:26pm

re: #267 Zamb

I was seeing some people seriously declaring that Obama is going to require quotas on arresting/shooting more white people as a fix for this situation. It isn’t a competition.

*headdesk*

289 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 12:34:45pm

re: #239 lawhawk

Also horrifying that there are so many of them, they are now being ranked by how horrific they are.

290 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 12:35:35pm

What Christmas Song list would be complete without….Dominick the Donkey?

Youtube Video

291 Bubblehead II  Dec 4, 2014 12:36:46pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

People have been asking for this feature for years, though; the good part of it is that the trolling “noise” is reduced. I tried to split the difference and let you still see the comment if you want.

Anyway, I’m still not totally sure I’ll keep the feature - it’s sort of an experiment right now.

Personally I am all for it. If I am curious I’ll click on it otherwise I just scroll right on by.

292 Tigger2  Dec 4, 2014 12:37:07pm

re: #273 lawhawk

It’s predictable. The NYPD PBA is claiming that cops feel like they’re being thrown under the bus [ME: but not stated: for the failure to get an indictment against a cop on video shown using an illegal chokehold and killing an unarmed black man].

[Embedded content]

Right, holding police accountable for their actions - good and bad - is throwing them under the bus. Demanding professionalism and respect and courtesy is too much? That’s throwing them under the bus?

Can I get a fainting couch for Pat Lynch? Seriously.

I get that cops have a tough job. But their job doesn’t extend to killing people and not facing the consequences for those killings.

Fuck the cops how the hell do they think a lot of Americans feel about their thuggish ways, yep cops and teabaggers it goes both ways it’s not the color of your skin that makes you a thug it’s your attitude that does.

293 Sionainn  Dec 4, 2014 12:37:36pm

re: #273 lawhawk

It’s predictable. The NYPD PBA is claiming that cops feel like they’re being thrown under the bus [ME: but not stated: for the failure to get an indictment against a cop on video shown using an illegal chokehold and killing an unarmed black man].

[Embedded content]

Right, holding police accountable for their actions - good and bad - is throwing them under the bus. Demanding professionalism and respect and courtesy is too much? That’s throwing them under the bus?

Can I get a fainting couch for Pat Lynch? Seriously.

I get that cops have a tough job. But their job doesn’t extend to killing people and not facing the consequences for those killings.

Boo fucking hoo.

294 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 12:38:19pm

re: #280 gwangung

They feel thrown under the bus?

Well, let me back up and go back and forth a few times.

Fairly sure if you did some digging, you could find a case of the NYPD literally throwing someone under a bus.

295 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:38:51pm

re: #294 Kragar

Fairly sure if you did some digging, you could find a case of the NYPD literally throwing someone under a bus.

I would not be shocked at this point.

296 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 12:38:56pm

re: #273 lawhawk

It’s predictable. The NYPD PBA is claiming that cops feel like they’re being thrown under the bus [ME: but not stated: for the failure to get an indictment against a cop on video shown using an illegal chokehold and killing an unarmed black man].

[Embedded content]

Right, holding police accountable for their actions - good and bad - is throwing them under the bus. Demanding professionalism and respect and courtesy is too much? That’s throwing them under the bus?

Can I get a fainting couch for Pat Lynch? Seriously.

I get that cops have a tough job. But their job doesn’t extend to killing people and not facing the consequences for those killings.

I liked Lynch’s speech better in the original German.

297 Sionainn  Dec 4, 2014 12:40:29pm

re: #282 klystron

It grows on you! (Like a fungus…)

LOL! I needed that laugh.

298 sagehen  Dec 4, 2014 12:40:58pm

re: #251 Skip Intro

The one Christmas song that embodies the true Christmas spirit has to be Santa, Baby, sung by Madonna.

I don’t mind the Mariah Carey song (as long as I don’t have to hear it too many times).

Youtube Video

299 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:42:01pm

re: #286 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I was just thinking I forgot to add antisemitism. Funny, because it’s the book on that very subject that I’ve been (slowly) reading which has helped recognize & articulate what has been going on for… well, forever, I suppose. As long as there have been people.

If we can’t figure out a way to evolve without one group having it’s foot on the neck of another, then… I dunno. We’re not as advanced as we think we are. *sigh… smh*

Right and honestly this is funny coming from the guy with a condition they say lacks empathy but I think we have too many in our society that lack empathy. I’ve brought up the prejudices I’ve witnessed first hand and I think a lot of it has to do with people who haven’t attempted or lack the desire to put themselves in someone else’s shoes.

300 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:42:36pm

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes
‘Cause then you really might know what it’s like to sing the blues
Then you really might know what it’s like

301 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 12:43:32pm

I just love seeing big tough cops crying like babies. “Whaaaa, the mayor and others are picking on us. We are just doing our jobs…very badly.”

And those football players in St. Loius…”whaaaa, they are taking sides with thugs. I bet they think they can shoot people better than us!”

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302 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 12:44:07pm
303 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:44:14pm

re: #301 ObserverArt

I just love seeing big tough cops crying like babies. “Whaaaa, the mayor and others are picking on us. We are just doing our jobs…very badly.”

And those football players in St. Loius…”whaaaa, they are taking sides with thugs. I bet they think they can shoot people better than us!”

///

Classic bully behavior. Dish it out but can’t take it.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 12:45:17pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Greg Lake’s I Believe in Father Christmas. That’s it. And mostly because it’s a critique of the crass commercialization of Christmas.

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Kink’s “Father Christmas” is generally on my acceptable list as well.

305 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:45:19pm

re: #302 Franklin

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Damn.

306 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 12:45:39pm

re: #301 ObserverArt

I just love seeing big tough cops crying like babies. “Whaaaa, the mayor and others are picking on us. We are just doing our jobs…very badly.”

And those football players in St. Loius…”whaaaa, they are taking sides with thugs. I bet they think they can shoot people better than us!”

///

Classic DARVO on display. “We’re not the criminals here! You are for not obeying us! If you just did what we told you, none of this would happen!”

307 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:46:31pm

re: #306 Targetpractice

Classic DARVO on display. “We’re not the criminals here! You are for not obeying us! If you just did what we told you, none of this would happen!”

The thing is and this is what makes it so frustrating is too many people believe that if you just listen to the cops, you’ll be fine. It’s not like that. It’s NEVER been like that.

308 Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2014 12:46:36pm

In Milwaukee a homeless black man was shot 14 times including in the back. No charges, but the chief fired the officer and the MPD union voted no confidence in the chief.

309 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2014 12:46:53pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Here’s a Christmas song that doesn’t suck: Sufjan Stevens - I’ll Be Home For Christmas.

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I have to deal with Sufjan Stevens, my girlfriend is a fan, it is an acquired taste, one I haven’t acquired, but there are worse things to have to put with

310 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 12:47:14pm

What is this deal with cops doing stupid shit then having the audacity to get pissed off when people call them on their stupid shit?

311 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:47:34pm

re: #308 Amory Blaine

In Milwaukee a homeless black man was shot 14 times including in the back. No charges, but the chief fired the officer and the MPD union voted no confidence in the chief.

Funny how wingers always bitch about the teachers unions but never this union huh.

312 HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2014 12:47:49pm

re: #310 Eclectic Cyborg

What is this deal with cops doing stupid shit then having the audacity to get pissed off when people call them on their stupid shit?

Ego. Fucking ego.

313 wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2014 12:48:03pm

re: #304 Feline Fearless Leader

Kink’s “Father Christmas” is generally on my acceptable list as well.

Youtube Video

314 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:48:22pm

re: #306 Targetpractice

Classic DARVO on display. “We’re not the criminals here! You are for not obeying us! If you just did what we told you, none of this would happen!”

Seeing that all over comments sections today.

Failure to obey fast enough means police get to kill you, didn’t you know that libtards? hur hur hur

315 goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2014 12:48:36pm

Apparently I’m a total sucker for classic takedown rimfires, bought a used Belgian made Browning SA 22.

Youtube Video

316 Tigger2  Dec 4, 2014 12:48:39pm

re: #310 Eclectic Cyborg

What is this deal with cops doing stupid shit then having the audacity to get pissed off when people call them on their stupid shit?

The mentality of privilege,

317 ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2014 12:49:05pm

Later…time to go change the settings on my bullshit bypass valve.

318 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 12:52:12pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Ego. Fucking ego.

I was fucking speechless when I saw the NYPD spokesmen back during the Amadou Diallo shooting come onto TV and throw a hissy fit over the New Yorker magazine cover that mocked the NYPD and “41 rounds fired”.

He then proceeded to get angry about Springsteen mentioning the shooting during a concert.

No self awarness at all. No concern over the innocent dead guy shot to pieces on his own stoop. You could see that the Cartman “respect mah authoritah!” meme was dead on with these cretins.

319 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 12:52:17pm
320 Franklin  Dec 4, 2014 12:52:50pm
321 Kryptik  Dec 4, 2014 12:53:07pm

re: #301 ObserverArt

Bullshit like this always turns everything on its head. Whining about being held accountable is somehow seen as being ‘brave’ and ‘responsible’. Screaming in pants wetting fear about hordes of ‘thugs’ and ‘terrorists’ and their supreme imminent threat to everyone is somehow the height of sober realism and bravery. And lets not forget the classic and yet somehow still effective dodge of ‘bringing up racism proves that YOU’RE the racist!’.

It’d be laughable if this shit didn’t work regularly enough to be depressing.

322 lawhawk  Dec 4, 2014 12:54:53pm

QFT:

323 CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2014 12:56:03pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Right and honestly this is funny coming from the guy with a condition they say lacks empathy but I think we have too many in our society that lack empathy. I’ve brought up the prejudices I’ve witnessed first hand and I think a lot of it has to do with people who haven’t attempted or lack the desire to put themselves in someone else’s shoes.

Yep, if it hasn’t happened to them then it hasn’t happened to anyone and doesn’t exist, ergo the victims are liars. They’re in denial because acknowledging the problem means they’d have to admit something wrong & unjust has been happening and they’d be morally obliged to fix it.

324 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2014 12:56:13pm
Speaking of horrible Christmas stuff…
325 Bubblehead II  Dec 4, 2014 12:56:33pm

re: #266 Sionainn

I lasted 20 seconds.

I didn’t even last 5 sec.

326 goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2014 12:56:51pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Funny how wingers always bitch about the teachers unions but never this union huh.

Part of it is the law and order bias, how conservatives mythologize rank and uniform. The other part is that Police can’t strike.

327 CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2014 12:58:32pm

Okay, gotta get back to work. Later, lizards.

328 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 12:59:58pm

Adolph Lyons, driving with a burned-out tail light:

The officers greeted him with drawn revolvers as he exited from his car. Lyons was told to face his car and spread his legs. He did so. After an officer slammed his hands against his head, Lyons complained that the keys in his hand were hurting him.
Within 5 to 10 seconds, the officer began to choke Lyons by applying a forearm against his throat. As Lyons struggled for air, the officer handcuffed him, but continued to apply the chokehold until he blacked out. When Lyons regained consciousness, he was lying face down on the ground, choking, gasping for air, and spitting up blood and dirt. He had urinated and defecated. He was issued a traffic citation and released.
Within 5 to 10 seconds, the officer began to choke Lyons by applying a forearm against his throat. As Lyons struggled for air, the officer handcuffed him, but continued to apply the chokehold until he blacked out. When Lyons regained consciousness, he was lying face down on the ground, choking, gasping for air, and spitting up blood and dirt. He had urinated and defecated. He was issued a traffic citation and released.motherjones.com

329 makeitstop  Dec 4, 2014 1:00:57pm

Fave Christmas song, makeitstop division:

Elvis, bein’ dirty. Kinda.

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330 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 1:02:57pm

“The court has yet to reconsider the constitutionality of chokeholds.”

331 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 1:04:15pm

re: #328 jaunte

That’s the LAPD we remember from Gates and his boys.

They also had fun with anti-abortion protesters…especially women. Numerous, credible accounts of sexual assault, groping and brutality from LAPD cops in the early 80’s during Operation Rescue events.

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 1:04:26pm

Saw an MSNBC article saying that the grand jury for the Garner death took nine weeks, had 60 exhibits (including multiple videos) and 50 witnesses.

Another case of DA attempting to simply snow the GJ under?

333 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 4, 2014 1:04:44pm

re: #330 jaunte

“The court has yet to reconsider the constitutionality of chokeholds.”

But Roberts said we didn’t need oversight anymore…

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334 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Dec 4, 2014 1:06:13pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes
‘Cause then you really might know what it’s like to sing the blues
Then you really might know what it’s like

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes.

That way, if he gets mad at you, you’re a mile away and you have his shoes.

335 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 1:06:17pm

re:
#328

When Lyons regained consciousness, he was lying face down on the ground, choking, gasping for air, and spitting up blood and dirt. He had urinated and defecated. He was issued a traffic citation and released.

OK, so you’re saying it’s OK to drive around with a broken tail-light?? You want anarchy?? What about the Rule of Law.

Hey, that Kenyan Ursurper is giving healthcare to other people. I’m being oppressed and tread upon. When’s the next Operation American Spring meeting to overthrow this guy and take back our government and country??

336 Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2014 1:07:06pm
337 jaunte  Dec 4, 2014 1:07:40pm

Justice Department and City of Cleveland Agree to Reform Division of Police After Finding a Pattern or Practice of Excessive Force

Attorney General Eric Holder announced today that the Justice Department’s civil rights investigation into the use of force by the Cleveland Division of Police has found a pattern or practice of unreasonable and unnecessary use of force. To address these findings the Justice Department and the city of Cleveland have signed a statement of principles committing them to develop a court enforceable consent decree that will include a requirement for an independent monitor who will oversee and ensure necessary reforms.
justice.gov

338 BeachDem  Dec 4, 2014 1:08:35pm

re: #319 jaunte

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And doesn’t this just warm the heart:

two of the five deputies — Sheriff’s Capt. Thomas J. Flanders and Detective Michael J. Sollenberger — had been placed on indefinite paid administrative leave starting on Dec. 1.

According to WDTN, Flanders is in charge of the Montgomery County Jail, and Sollenberger works with the internal affairs unit and is a member of the SWAT team. The three other deputies had not been identified by name, and had not been suspended.

339 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 1:08:36pm

re: #332 Feline Fearless Leader

Saw an MSNBC article saying that the grand jury for the Garner death took nine weeks, had 60 exhibits (including multiple videos) and 50 witnesses.

Another case of DA attempting to simply snow the GJ under?

Sounds like it. I guess that’s the news tactic now when faced with cases involving cops that garner national attention: Bury the GJ under evidence, and then claim that the failure to indict just shows how “weak” the case was.

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2014 1:12:04pm

ETA: When he says “limited”, that’s really being generous…

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 1:13:45pm

re: #339 Targetpractice

Sounds like it. I guess that’s the news tactic now when faced with cases involving cops that garner national attention: Bury the GJ under evidence, and then claim that the failure to indict just shows how “weak” the case was.

Might need scare quotes on “evidence” there given that some of the witnesses presented in the Brown case were obviously presenting false information.

342 Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2014 1:15:16pm

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

Might need scare quotes on “evidence” there given that some of the witnesses presented in the Brown case were obviously presenting false information.

Ah, you mean Witness #40, aka “I’m writing in my journal about how I’m trying to stop being a racist”?

343 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 4, 2014 1:16:05pm

Reunion tour!
Perhaps the tour didn’t go far enough.

Also, do not fuck with this gentleman:

344 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2014 1:17:08pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

Ah, you mean Witness #40, aka “I’m writing in my journal about how I’m trying to stop being a racist”?

The most obvious one. Though the person on DailyKos who did some analysis on the witness transcripts pointed out that it was also obvious that some of the others presented had not seen the entire encounter.

345 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2014 1:19:12pm

Jenna Bush Hager has something to say:

Former first daughter Jenna Bush Hager warned Malia and Sasha Obama haters to back down.

“I’m fiercely protective of them,” she said Wednesday when asked about the Republican aide who criticized the first daughters for their outfits at last week’s White House Thanksgiving turkey pardoning.

“I don’t think it’s easy … it’s not a job that they wanted … you know they’ve done a great job,” she said about Malia,16, and Sasha,13, during an interview on Bravo’s “Watch What Happens Live.”

nydailynews.com

And, um, the Bush twins are 33 yo. Good grief. I’m old.

346 TedStriker  Dec 4, 2014 1:21:08pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

People have been asking for this feature for years, though; the good part of it is that the trolling “noise” is reduced. I tried to split the difference and let you still see the comment if you want.

Anyway, I’m still not totally sure I’ll keep the feature - it’s sort of an experiment right now.

Please keep it…tweak it if you need to, but please keep it.

347 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 1:21:24pm

re: #343 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

“I’m reaching into my coat for my bottle of whoop ass, son.”

348 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2014 1:24:03pm

re: #347 Kragar

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“I’m reaching into my coat for my bottle of whoop ass, son.”

Just make sure it isn’t a pill bottle in Arizona…

349 TedStriker  Dec 4, 2014 1:25:59pm

re: #154 ipsos

The image that I still can’t get out of my mind is yesterday afternoon. I’m in the family room, the TV’s on with news of the no-bill in the Garner case, and my first-grader is home from school and playing with the two kids from next door.

I’m on the sofa, they’re on the floor playing their version of Monopoly (when you’re six, you can pretty much buy and sell whatever you want), my little guy’s focused on the game, but the neighbor kids (kindergarten and second grade) keep looking up warily at the TV every time they’re talking about Garner or Tamir Rice.

Oh, right, I forgot to mention: the neighbor kids are biracial. And in a nation founded on the idea that all men are created equal, they’re going to end up growing up with very different experiences and different ways of looking at the world than my kid will. Same neighborhood, same socioeconomic background, same politics at home (their mom is the most progressive LDS divorcee I have ever known, and an awesome lady all around), but still different universes.

What American dream?

And always looking over their shoulders, as if there’s bullseyes on their backs.

Dr. King would fucking weep, seeing all of this shit still going on almost 50 years later; as it is, he must be spinning in his grave so fast, you could probably light up most of the eastern seaboard.

350 Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2014 1:28:12pm

re: #175 lawhawk

So, for the crime of engaging in free speech, Rams players are now getting death threats for having shown solidarity with #Ferguson protesters.

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Every Black NFL player should engage in the same protest. I’m surprised that more Black professional sports players haven’t done so already.

351 Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2014 1:29:30pm

re: #345 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’ve always liked the Bush girls — although I don’t care for their father. Glad to see that they are nonpartisan when it comes to attacks on other Presidential children.

352 TedStriker  Dec 4, 2014 1:31:00pm

re: #164 Kragar

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Which means they’ll run it again first thing in the new Congress, where it will pass handily.

To all of the people who are bitching about what the TPGOPers are planning to do in the new Congress, but didn’t bother to vote against them (or at all), I’ve got only one message for you:

Fuck you, because this is pretty much all your fault.

353 Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2014 1:33:01pm

re: #318 Aunty Entity Dragon

He must have been even more enraged that Springsteen actually made a song about that shooting. Poor thing. It must be so hard to kill people and then hear mere mortals complain about it later.

354 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 4, 2014 1:35:36pm

re: #347 Kragar

Embedded Image“I’m reaching into my coat for my bottle of whoop ass, son.”

I need me one of those coats.

355 Kragar  Dec 4, 2014 1:37:30pm

re: #352 TedStriker

Which means they’ll run it again first thing in the new Congress, where it will pass handily.

To all of the people who are bitching about what the TPGOPers are planning to do in the new Congress, but didn’t bother to vote against them (or at all), I’ve got only one message for you:

Fuck you, because this is pretty much all your fault.

Going to laugh so damn hard when Obama vetoes their BS repeatedly.

356 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 4, 2014 1:40:53pm

re: #355 Kragar

Going to laugh so damn hard when Obama vetoes their BS repeatedly.

What do you think the over/under on vetoes for the new Congress will be?

357 TedStriker  Dec 4, 2014 1:43:53pm

re: #188 The Vicious Fergushka

I can’t even begin to imagine the amount of drugs and alcohol that were involved in inspiring an artist to sing that song at the same tempo as “Send In The Clowns” (one of the Worst Songs Ever)

C’mon, for a Sondheim song, it’s not great, but Sinatra’s version is pretty fair.

358 BlueSpotinAL  Dec 4, 2014 1:54:24pm

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

Too bad one of them wasn’t white, it would have made an excellent control to see if the color of the player made a difference in getting threats.

359 Tigger2005  Dec 4, 2014 2:39:41pm

I apologize for the dumb hicks in my state.

360 Click My Icon To Watch This Short French Film.  Dec 4, 2014 3:09:05pm

Hey everyone. I missed everybody. Even though I was never a big poster!

361 Click My Icon To Watch This Short French Film.  Dec 4, 2014 3:09:51pm

re: #357 TedStriker

Yes Sinatra’s version was good.

362 unproven innocence  Dec 4, 2014 4:16:36pm

re: #288 CuriousLurker

*headdesk*

Consider buying yourself several extra mousepads, pretty please? { CL }

363 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Dec 4, 2014 5:18:41pm

re: #175 lawhawk

So, for the crime of engaging in free speech, Rams players are now getting death threats for having shown solidarity with #Ferguson protesters.

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Well, insider speculation has it that the STL Rams are a the leading NFL franchise candidate to relocate (return) to LA. This latest reaction to the Rams players’ action will only improve those chances. It gives the owner(s) plenty over cover. Well done wingnuts.


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