1 KerFuFFler  Dec 9, 2014 7:02:06am

I love our President!

2 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 7:11:10am

The GOP is trying to rake Jon Gruber over the coals this morning for his comments about Obamacare.

They’re going to latch on to comments like how he thinks that the legislation wasn’t passed in a transparent fashion (as if any legislative process is truly transparent).

The GOP is still trying to do whatever it can to destroy Obamacare, and the president touched on it last night with his Colbert clip (love the self-deprecating comments and headlines - Commander in Understatement; Disney got the title for frozen from the ACA website, but the best was going on comedy shows was beneath his dignity, but above his approval ratings).

To health in a handbasket. That’s what the GOP is intending to do. And they’re hoping the Supreme Court will do what they’ve been unable to do legislatively - dismantle the ACA.

3 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:14:05am

re: #2 lawhawk

The GOP is trying to rake Jon Gruber over the coals this morning for his comments about Obamacare.

They’re going to latch on to comments like how he thinks that the legislation wasn’t passed in a transparent fashion (as if any legislative process is truly transparent).

The GOP is still trying to do whatever it can to destroy Obamacare, and the president touched on it last night with his Colbert clip (love the self-deprecating comments and headlines - Commander in Understatement; Disney got the title for frozen from the ACA website, but the best was going on comedy shows was beneath his dignity, but above his approval ratings).

To health in a handbasket. That’s what the GOP is intending to do. And they’re hoping the Supreme Court will do what they’ve been unable to do legislatively - dismantle the ACA.

Yep. And leave it to the rags to perpetuate the “issue”. Here is what greeted me at my coffee shop this morning.

4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 7:17:40am

Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?

5 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 7:19:03am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?

Chickens.

6 Mike Lamb  Dec 9, 2014 7:22:08am

Interesting how the party that decries judges overturning legislation banning gay marriage now believes that it is entirely appropriate for SCOTUS to overturn the ACA.

7 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:23:42am

re: #6 Mike Lamb

Interesting how the party that decries judges overturning legislation banning gay marriage now believes that it is entirely appropriate for SCOTUS to overturn the ACA.

LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH!!!!!

8 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 7:23:44am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?

Vaporware. They have nothing. They claim that they’d salvage the parts that people agree are good - like ending the preexisting ailment limitations or dependent age extension, but there’s no actual legislation that would do any of this. Their repealers are all repeal, and no replace.

They don’t want to fix the ACA. They want it gone, and replace it with a system that was truly defective and broken.

They’re also willing to throw millions of people off insurance that have it now in their quest to overturn the ACA.

9 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 7:24:06am

re: #6 Mike Lamb

Interesting how the party that decries judges overturning legislation banning gay marriage now believes that it is entirely appropriate for SCOTUS to overturn the ACA.

You seem to be searching for principles and integrity that are not there.
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10 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 7:25:56am
11 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 7:27:51am

As I noted from the local medical examiner’s statements, the shot that hit Michael Brown in the arm was consistent with being shot with hands up. Lisa Bloom further indicates that it could also be consistent with being shot from behind (and shots were fired as Brown ran).

Add this to the pile of evidence that the grand jury either ignored or wasn’t considered in the proper context to find Wilson had shot Brown while Brown was surrendering (hands up).

12 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:28:52am

Because during a grand jury, the prosecutor should not be asking the victim questions that could prove probable cause. Nevermind.

13 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 7:30:48am

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Chickens.

…and make your own damn soup!

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 7:33:47am

re: #13 ObserverArt

…and make your own damn soup!

Still a subsidy for leeches I hear though!
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15 gwangung  Dec 9, 2014 7:35:27am

re: #11 lawhawk

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As I noted from the local medical examiner’s statements, the shot that hit Michael Brown in the arm was consistent with being shot with hands up. Lisa Bloom further indicates that it could also be consistent with being shot from behind (and shots were fired as Brown ran).

Add this to the pile of evidence that the grand jury either ignored or wasn’t considered in the proper context to find Wilson had shot Brown while Brown was surrendering (hands up).

Too many people are dismissing this and saying that Brown never had his hands up and he was definitely charging Wilson.

(And they probably still buy the dangerous Negro attacking to kill story….)

16 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 7:36:10am

*snort*

poor paranoid little fella

It’s 7:30 p.m. on Monday night, and the day’s most vilified blogger is driving somewhere in California, though he declines to specify where, and with whom. As he talks into the telephone, he confesses he feels targeted: He’s recording the conversation. Someone has already hacked him that day. He’s deluged with threats. His mom, he said, “is worried about me and worried about herself.”

washingtonpost.com

17 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 7:37:56am

re:
#16

Archmoron stalkerblogger Chuck c Johnson is the REAL victim here!!!!1

/

18 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:38:02am
19 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 7:40:40am

re: #17 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#16

Archmoron stalkerblogger Chuck c Johnson is the REAL victim here!!!!1

/

I’m surprised he didn’t say he was the most hounded after guy since Jesus.

20 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:41:51am

I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…

21 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Dec 9, 2014 7:42:35am

re: #17 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#16

Archmoron stalkerblogger Chuck c Johnson is the REAL victim here!!!!1

/

Out of curiosity, are you having IE trouble to[edit]o[edit]?

22 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 7:44:08am

Short attention span theater that is even TL;DR for the twitter set.

23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 7:48:04am

re: #8 lawhawk

They’re also willing to throw millions of people off insurance that have it now in their quest to overturn the ACA.

Which is guaranteed to cost them lots of support in the next general election.

24 bubba zanetti  Dec 9, 2014 7:50:38am

re: #20 Franklin

I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…

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Comic Sans?

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 7:50:46am

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Which is guaranteed to cost them lots of support in the next general election.

They’ll sell it as removing moochers from getting government money.

And once they kill it there will be at least a decade wait to get anything close to it back. Though, when that happens, it might then be a jump directly into a single-payer system. Which will trigger the next round of detractors screaming “socialism!”.

:p

26 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Dec 9, 2014 7:50:47am

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Which is guaranteed to cost them lots of support in the next general election.

It only costs them support that doesn’t show up to vote anyway.

27 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 7:52:05am

re: #20 Franklin

I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…

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I have the Dan Patrick show on and listening to the chatter. They were just yakking about the NBA players wearing the “I can’t breathe” shirts and St Louis Rams NFL players doing the “Hands Up” sign.

Dan has a great point when he asks what happens if some players are supportive of the police and they come out in some kind of shirts saying it.

I think it something to consider. And knowing today’s world, I can see people in the stands getting into each other’s faces over it and maybe even starting some fights. For sure the internet would be at war. In the games you may have some players targeting others. It could be messy.

It is a strange world we live in. But then, freedom is messy.

28 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:52:35am

re: #24 bubba zanetti

Comic Sans?

Not sure what you mean.

29 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 7:53:43am

er:
#22

The right wing has knives out for Gruber, w/his characterization of ACA provisions as a tax. Recall SCOTUS ruled that ind. mandate was tax

Today’s RWNJ: trying to overturn a law based on a policy discussion. I can’t recall this ever happening before, or this standard being applied to any other legislation. But that’s today’s RWNJ.

30 bubba zanetti  Dec 9, 2014 7:54:06am

re: #28 Franklin

Not sure what you mean.

The typeface on LeBron’s shirt.

31 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:54:53am

re: #27 ObserverArt

I have the Dan Patrick show on and listening to the chatter. They were just yakking about the NBA players wearing the “I can’t breathe” shirts and St Louis Rams NFL players doing the “Hands Up” sign.

Dan has a great point when he asks what happens if some players are supportive of the police and they come out in some kind of shirts saying it.

I think it something to consider. And knowing today’s world, I can see people in the stands getting into each other’s faces over it and maybe even starting some fights. For sure the internet would be at war. In the games you may have some players targeting others. It could be messy.

It is a strange world we live in. But then, freedom is messy.

Not sure how much I buy that argument though. Sounds a lot like the “Why can’t we have all white colleges if they have all black colleges!?!?!” argument.

32 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:55:20am

re: #30 bubba zanetti

The typeface on LeBron’s shirt.

Oh, LOL.

Now that you mention it, I cannot unsee it.

33 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 7:56:08am

re: #14 Feline Fearless Leader

Still a subsidy for leeches I hear though!
///

Bring back the patent medicine men!!! They had the good stuff.

34 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 7:56:47am

re: #20 Franklin

I “hate” Lebron in a competitive context. But I admire his talent and his willingness to use his status and platform. But, some people…

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There was an article about today’s black athletes being more willing to take on social issues than ones from a generation ago like Jordan. Good for Lebron here. I believe he also when he was with the Heat expressed solidarity with Martin by coming out with his teammates wearing a hoodie. I’ll give the guy credit. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and I hope he continues to do it.
Edited: MJ is the better example since Barkley actually is outspoken and Jordan is the one with the quote about Republicans buying shoes too.

35 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 7:57:04am

re:
#22

Isn’t the only remaining issue the business of the subsidies for states that didn’t (or did) create their own exchanges?

36 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:58:43am
37 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 7:59:17am
38 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 8:00:41am

re:
#37

Natives were pushed out from 1492-1890

39 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 8:00:51am

re: #37 Franklin

hard to top for irony metering

40 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 8:01:05am

re: #31 Franklin

Not sure how much I buy that argument though. Sounds a lot like the “Why can’t we have all white colleges if they have all black colleges!?!?!” argument.

He brought it up as an observation, not really as an argument. I think it a valid to consider.

In this political climate anything can go nuts. Just read some of those Instagram comments about LeBron. They may be out making their counter-point shirts right now. Hey, T-shirt wars.

I guess we’ll all know the minute it happens. The ‘net guarantees that.

41 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 8:01:28am

re: #37 Franklin

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Only 10AM, and I’ve already breached my 8-hour Threshold Limit Value for stupidity exposure.

42 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:01:58am

re: #38 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#37

Natives were pushed out from 1492-1890

And actually killed and removed from their lands. This whiny shit just has to see people who aren’t like him.

43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 8:02:20am

re:
#41

How much does your plan charge for going over the limit?

/

44 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 8:02:32am

re: #40 ObserverArt

He brought it up as an observation, not really as an argument. I think it a valid to consider.

In this political climate anything can go nuts. Just read some of those Instagram comments about LeBron. They may be out making their counter-point shirts right now. Hey, T-shirt wars.

I guess we’ll all know the minute it happens. The ‘net guarantees that.

“Lebron doesn’t tread on me, he dunks!”
/// ;p

45 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 8:02:48am

re: #40 ObserverArt

He brought it up as an observation, not really as an argument. I think it a valid to consider.

In this political climate anything can go nuts. Just read some of those Instagram comments about LeBron. They may be out making their counter-point shirts right now. Hey, T-shirt wars.

I guess we’ll all know the minute it happens. The ‘net guarantees that.

You are right, it is something to consider and certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. I’m certain there is division in many NFL locker rooms over this issue and many others.

46 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 8:03:18am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

And actually killed and removed from their lands. This whiny shit just has to see people who aren’t like him.

People who aren’t like him asking to be treated as equals that is.
/

47 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 8:04:01am

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#41

How much does your plan charge for going over the limit?

/

An OSHA mental hygiene inspector comes by and posts a stiff fine against my ISP.

48 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:04:02am

re: #46 Feline Fearless Leader

People who aren’t like him asking to be treated as equals that is.
/

Someone call the wambulance.

49 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:08:07am

Well, that’s not surprising.

50 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:09:03am

re: #49 lawhawk

Well, that’s not surprising.

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Ineffective and brutal, gee no wonder why Cheney liked it so much.

51 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 8:10:26am
52 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 8:11:23am

re:
#49

It wasn’t torture we don’t torture like other heathen countries…OK we did torture but only in a few isolated instances where there was a Ticking Time Bomb we needed to stop….OK we actually tortured quite a bit for a bunch of reasons whenever we wanted but it’s OK as long as we did it…Proudly supporting torture is actually the most basic of American values and if you are against torture you’re a traitor who hates America.

53 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 8:12:18am

SMOTI defending his title, proves he is dumber than ChuckC

54 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2014 8:13:35am

re: #49 lawhawk

So who is going to be held accountable for this, and when? (Nobody, ever.)

55 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:13:47am

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI defending his title, proves he is dumber than ChuckC

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Because ACA not being the most perfect legislation ever is somehow more grievous than state sanctioned torture. Go piss up a rope Jim.

56 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 8:14:31am

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI defending his title, proves he is dumber than ChuckC

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Only the people on Planet Wingnut even know what a Gruber is let alone give a rat’s ass as to what he has to say.

57 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:14:37am

re: #54 GlutenFreeJesus

So who is going to be held accountable for this, and when? (Nobody, ever.)

It’s a damn good question. Honestly, I think this shows you that the more that will come out about the previous administration the more detestable that whole bunch really was.

58 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 8:15:35am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Ineffective and brutal, gee no wonder why Cheney liked it so much.

Cheney will never give up on it. And I am sure there are a whole slew of badass military types that will think you do what you have to do to save America. The whatever it takes crowd.

I guess many don’t want to consider that our invading a sovereign nation (Iraq), Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and our ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques cost the U.S. huge as far as world standing for being THE leader in doing the right thing.

No more.

59 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:15:38am

re: #56 b.d.

Only the people on Planet Wingnut even know what a Gruber is let alone give a rat’s ass as to what he has to say.

HE CALLED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STUPID. But pay no attention to the fact that our candidates constantly accuse people of supporting Democrats because they just want free stuff.

60 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 8:15:48am

re:
#53

Hmmm. Not just ACA “lies” but “deception-lies”. Have to remember that one. /

61 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 8:16:19am

“History will ultimately judge the decisions that were made for Iraq and I’m just not going to be around to see the final verdict” - George W. Bush

62 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:16:19am

re: #58 ObserverArt

Cheney will never give up on it. And I am sure there are a whole slew of badass military types that will think you do what you have to do to save America. The whatever it takes crowd.

I guess many don’t want to consider that our invading a sovereign nation (Iraq), Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and our ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques cost the U.S. huge as far as world standing for being THE leader in doing the right thing.

No more.

Ends justify the means types yes.

63 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 8:16:34am

Don’t hate it for the headline… It’s not quite what you might think. Pardons for torture?

64 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 8:17:27am

But the RWNJ never lied about the ACA by claiming it contained Death Panels or anything like that.

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65 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 8:17:37am

Ugly ugly ugly

66 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:19:04am

re: #65 #FergusonFireside

Ugly ugly ugly

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But but Gruber.

67 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:19:48am
68 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:20:44am

It’ll take some time to read through. It’s 525 pages long.

69 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:21:15am

re: #67 lawhawk

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Then that would be on Tenet, Goss, and Hayden Negropente then?

70 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:22:38am

Miss me yet? Not by a longshot.

71 gwangung  Dec 9, 2014 8:23:19am

re: #58 ObserverArt

Cheney will never give up on it. And I am sure there are a whole slew of badass military types that will think you do what you have to do to save America. The whatever it takes crowd.

I guess many don’t want to consider that our invading a sovereign nation (Iraq), Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and our ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques cost the U.S. huge as far as world standing for being THE leader in doing the right thing.

Their broken moral compass makes them think that torture MAKES the US a leader.

72 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 8:23:21am

re: #34 HappyWarrior

There was an article about today’s black athletes being more willing to take on social issues than ones from a generation ago like Jordan. Good for Lebron here. I believe he also when he was with the Heat expressed solidarity with Martin by coming out with his teammates wearing a hoodie. I’ll give the guy credit. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and I hope he continues to do it.
Edited: MJ is the better example since Barkley actually is outspoken and Jordan is the one with the quote about Republicans buying shoes too.

Now I feel REALLY old (I still think of Michael Jordan as a kid) as my mind went back to people like Bill Russell speaking out about the early days of the NBA and the racial injustice.

73 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 8:24:17am

re:
#54

So who is going to be held accountable for this, and when? (Nobody, ever).

Let’s not dwell on the past we need to move on…hey when are we going to prosecute the people who allowed Benghazi!! and the IRS scandal and FastFurious and Gruber?!??!?!?!?!

74 gwangung  Dec 9, 2014 8:24:51am

re: #72 BeachDem

Now I feel REALLY old (I still think of Michael Jordan as a kid) as my mind went back to people like Bill Russell speaking out about the early days of the NBA and the racial injustice.

The problem some people have about these athletes is that they’re being outspoken on the wrong side.

75 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:25:36am

re: #72 BeachDem

Now I feel REALLY old (I still think of Michael Jordan as a kid) as my mind went back to people like Bill Russell speaking out about the early days of the NBA and the racial injustice.

That’s why I prefaced it with a generation ago. Article actually talks about how guys in the 60’s were outspoken. They brought up John Carlos and Tommie Smith as well as Arthur Ashe. Russell, I am not surprised spoke out against it because he experienced it personally in Boston.

76 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:28:06am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

The report was only declassified today, but the report was done December 2012 and then updated April 2014.

It would be DCIs Tenet, Goss, and Hayden.

77 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:30:12am

re: #76 lawhawk

The report was only declassified today, but the report was done December 2012 and then updated April 2014.

It would be DCIs Tenet, Goss, and Hayden.

Gotcha. I was drawing a blank on the final DCI. Thought it was Negropente but then remember Hayden. Very interested to seeing what’s in the report and your conclusions.

78 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:32:03am
79 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:32:10am
80 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:32:23am

re: #78 lawhawk

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Plausible deniability?

81 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2014 8:33:33am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Plausible deniability?

Criminal negligence.

82 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:34:35am

Meanwhile John Schindler retweets Gatestone Inst. with Geert Wilders’ speech in which he says: “Our freedom is being threatened. Threatened by a violent totalitarian ideology - Islam - that brings with it death and devastation.”

83 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2014 8:36:42am

You know… so many idiots call for the destruction of the whole Middle East because of ISIS/AQ and their torture videos. It never occurs to said idiots that many in the Middle East feel the same way about us for the exact same reasons.

84 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:37:58am
85 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2014 8:39:25am
86 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:41:22am

re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus

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He’s not alone in this dickery.

Fuck all torture apologists.

87 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:41:30am

re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus

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Hell Jim can’t even deal with POTUS still being POTUS without shitting his pants. I can’t imagine how he’d react if he were ever tortured. Reminds me though. Didn’t Sean Hannity promise he’d be waterboarded to “prove” it wasn’t torture? Yeah about that……

88 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:42:42am

re: #86 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

He’s not alone in this dickery.

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Fuck all torture apologists.

A mistake? This is crap that we’ve prosecuted people for. Things that we would as Americans be genuinely horrified if done to our people. Goddamn it. Fuck this.

89 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 8:42:50am

re: #86 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

1) Bush-era “torture” had some successes but overall was not effective due mostly to lack of experience, as I explained. Overall, a mistake.

we didn’t know what the fuck we were doing and it caused much more harm than good, but it was all part of a learning curve…

90 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 8:43:38am

A friend on Facebook just posted the old ‘ticking time bomb’ scenario for justified torture.

Apologists. Fucking apologists everywhere.

91 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2014 8:43:47am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Assholes. Both of them. We’d be calling it torture if it happened to any of our soldiers, that’s for sure.

92 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:44:21am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

we didn’t know what the fuck we were doing and it caused much more harm than good, but it was all part of a learning curve…

But you know, he is against torture. He’s all for “torture” though.

93 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2014 8:44:32am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Looking in the mirror every morning must be hard enough for him.

94 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:44:38am

re: #91 GlutenFreeJesus

Assholes. Both of them. We’d be calling it torture if it happened to any of our soldiers, that’s for sure.

Exactly and we no doubt would be hearing about how it “proves” once and for all that Muslims are barbarians.

95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:45:11am

re: #90 makeitstop

A friend on Facebook just posted the old ‘ticking time bomb’ scenario for justified torture.

Apologists. Fucking apologists everywhere.

I’m still ashamed that around 2003 I was seriously considering this ticking bomb idiocy as an argument.

96 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:45:14am

re: #93 GlutenFreeJesus

Looking in the mirror every morning must be hard enough for him.

Waking up knowing you’re Jim Hoft, TDMONTI yeah .

97 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:45:30am
98 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:45:57am

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I’m still ashamed that around 2003 I was seriously considering this ticking bomb idiocy.

You’re only human. I myself was guilty of once contemplating a vote for McCain.

99 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2014 8:46:32am

re: #97 lawhawk

KBR/Halliburton/Blackwater etc. I bet.

100 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:46:39am

re: #97 lawhawk

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Oh isn’t that lovely.

101 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 8:46:52am

re: #97 lawhawk

Capitalism!!!

102 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:47:16am

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

You weren’t alone in that. I considered the same. And the more we learn about what the CIA was doing, the more it shows how they were misleading the public, Congress, and anyone who attempted oversight. But at the same time, the Administration was more than willing to give them the leeway to continue pursuing these tactics instead of reining them in.

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 8:48:11am

re: #101 Franklin

Capitalism!!!

I am sure these contracts were all awarded as part of an open, transparent bidding process…

/

104 jimmyvluv4u  Dec 9, 2014 8:48:15am

Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…

gawker.com

105 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 8:49:59am

It just gets worse

106 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:50:28am

This stuff should horrify people.

107 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 8:51:46am

WTF is rectal feeding or rectal rehydration?

Apparently it was used as a tactic by the CIA on a detainee, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashir, who had launched a short lived hunger strike.

KSM was also rectally rehydrated without a determination of medical need (page 82).

Other detainees were treated in a similar fashion.

Yet, this was allowed to continue? WTF. Seriously. WTF.

108 gwangung  Dec 9, 2014 8:52:08am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

This stuff should horrify people.

Instead, it’ll just give ‘em a stiffie

109 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:53:17am

re: #108 gwangung

Instead, it’ll just give ‘em a stiffie

Yeah you’re right. For every person like you and I that is genuinely horrified and disgusted by this being done in our name, there’s some sick fucks out there that will find this awesome.

110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 8:54:38am

re: #108 gwangung

Instead, it’ll just give ‘em a stiffie

Especially Bryan Fischer

He has a thing about sodomy-based procedures

111 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:54:59am

Now I’m even more disgusted at Bush and his campaign team using fear of gay marriage to get re-elected while all this crap was going on.

112 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:55:03am

Ticking bomb is a bait and switch trick. Something possible but utterly improbable and random is made into an excuse for something which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original excuse.

113 SteelPH  Dec 9, 2014 8:55:32am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Especially Bryan Fischer

He has a thing about sodomy-based procedures

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone as deeply closeted as him.

114 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 8:56:09am

re: #104 jimmyvluv4u

Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…

gawker.com

They call him a journalist—demerit points for that. (He is probably in ecstasy about all the attention. )

115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 8:56:12am

re:
#107

I bet many of our favorite WHAT ABOUT MORAL ABSOLUTES??!??!? preachers are seeing this now and as a result they’re angry that….Obama declassified the report.

half sarc

116 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 8:56:34am

re: #104 jimmyvluv4u

Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…

gawker.com

So the next time Johnson shits the conservative movement’s bed, for whatever reason, it’s important to remember exactly where he came from.

117 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:56:47am

re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Ticking bomb is a bait and switch trick. Something possible but utterly improbable and random is made into an excuse for something which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original excuse.

It’s a tactic designed to elicit an emotional response. Just like how death penalty opponents are always asked “Well what if it was your relative killed?”

118 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:57:23am

“You know, quantum mechanics says that the probability that monkeys may fly out of your butt is not zero. Therefore you’re now obliged to buy these monkey cages and bananas. Animal safety above all!”

119 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 8:57:45am

re: #115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#107

I bet many of our favorite WHAT ABOUT MORAL ABSOLUTES??!??!? preachers are seeing this now and as a result they’re angry that….Obama declassified the report.

half sarc

Our favorite moral absolutist preachers have better things to be upset about like gay couples having the same rights in marriage as they do.//

120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 8:59:48am

re: #113 SteelPH

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone as deeply closeted as him.

Not since St Paul…

121 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 9:00:15am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Not since St Paul…

What about him?

122 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 9:01:28am
123 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 9:02:19am
124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 9:02:27am

re: #121 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

What about him?

Rev. Shelby Spong, a retired Anglican bishop, makes a compelling case that St Paul was probably a repressed, self-loathing homosexual, and this attitude influenced a lot of Christian attitudes about homosexuality

125 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 9:02:53am
126 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 9:03:27am
127 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 9:05:25am

re: #126 lawhawk

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Mistake, they keep on using that word and I keep on thinking they don’t knwo what it means. And funny how now they admit to making mistakes after accusing all of their critics of being stupid and naive about torture.

128 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 9:06:14am

re: #104 jimmyvluv4u

Our pal Chuckie is really blowing up today…

gawker.com

The comments accompanying that post are pretty awesome.

‘Let’s put this guy and Russell Brand in a jar and shake it.’

LOL

129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 9:06:38am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Mistake, they keep on using that word and I keep on thinking they don’t knwo what it means. And funny how now they admit to making mistakes after accusing all of their critics of being stupid and naive about torture.

It was a mistake to let anybody know what was happening…

130 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 9:07:47am

In a nation where plenty of people believe that it’s okay for cops to shoot black people and rape victims were asking for it little will come of this report. There may be some rearranging of the deck chairs at the CIA, but no one will lose their job. There will be modest talk about even more modest reforms and that’s about it. The CIA will go on being ineffective at intelligence gathering, effective at thuggery, and very expensive.

131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 9:08:48am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Rev. Shelby Spong, a retired Anglican bishop, makes a compelling case that St Paul was probably a repressed, self-loathing homosexual, and this attitude influenced a lot of Christian attitudes about homosexuality

He’s not a historian, he’s a theologian (with an ax to grind). Certainly it’s possible that Paul was gay, but it would be stretching it to claim that this is an established fact (or that there is even a preponderance of evidence for this).

132 CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2014 9:09:44am

Okay, this whole torture thing makes me sick to my stomach, so I’m not gonna discuss it other than to say that here’s a link to the full 528-page report (PDF) that the WaPo linked to.

For anyone who’s interested, while I was googling stuff I also ran across this revised document, which I hadn’t seen before (it was released this month):

Guidance For Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Regarding the Use of Race, Ethnicity, Gender, National Origin, Religion, Sexual Orientation, or Gender Identity (PDF)

INTRODUCTION AND EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

This Guidance supersedes the Department of Justice’s 2003 Guidance Regarding the Use of Race by Federal Law Enforcement Agencies. It builds upon and expands the framework of the 2003 Guidance, and it reaffirms the Federal government’s deep commitment to ensuring that its law enforcement agencies conduct their activities in an unbiased manner. Biased practices, as the Federal government has long recognized, are unfair, promote mistrust of law enforcement, and perpetuate negative and harmful stereotypes. Moreover—and vitally important—biased practices are ineffective. As Attorney General Eric Holder has stated, such practices are “simply not good law enforcement.” […]

Later, lizards.

133 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 9:10:35am

re: #130 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The CIA will go on being ineffective at intelligence gathering, effective at thuggery, and very expensive.

Or, as the Coen brothers put it in “Burn After Reading,”

CIA Superior: What did we learn, Palmer?
CIA Officer: I don’t know, sir.
CIA Superior: I don’t fuckin’ know either. I guess we learned not to do it again.
CIA Officer: Yes, sir.
CIA Superior: I’m fucked if I know what we did.
CIA Officer: Yes, sir, it’s, uh, hard to say
CIA Superior: Jesus Fucking Christ.

134 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 9:14:07am
135 calochortus  Dec 9, 2014 9:15:52am

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

He’s not a historian, he’s a theologian (with an ax to grind). Certainly it’s possible that Paul was gay, but it would be stretching it to claim that this is an established fact (or that there is even a preponderance of evidence for this).

There has been speculation about this for a long, long time. No one will ever know for sure.

136 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 9:16:06am

re: #134 Ace-o-aces

Worse. In the second case it’s “We torture? Good! America, Fuck yeah!”

137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 9:17:12am

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

He’s not a historian, he’s a theologian (with an ax to grind). Certainly it’s possible that Paul was gay, but it would be stretching it to claim that this is an established fact (or that there is even a preponderance of evidence for this).

He is still an Anglican Bishop, he is not coming out against St Paul, he is simply asking us to interpret his writings in the light of him likely being a closeted gay.

138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 9:17:37am

re: #135 calochortus

There has been speculation about this for a long, long time. No one will ever know for sure.

There are no verses that would indicate this directly, and the verses showing his disdain for sexual relations between sexes can be interpreted in any way one wants.

139 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 9:19:24am
140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 9:20:42am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He is still an Anglican Bishop, he is not coming out against St Paul, he is simply asking us to interpret his writings in the light of him being a closeted gay.

Sure, an Anglican bishop can ask us that, he can also ask us to interpret Paul’s writings in the light of him being an alien, a secret Santa, a woman or a yoga-practitioner. Credible evidence won’t appear just because some bishop asks something.

141 calochortus  Dec 9, 2014 9:23:01am

re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

There are no verses that would indicate this directly, and the verses showing his disdain for sexual relations between sexes can be interpreted in any way one wants.

I merely pointed out that this isn’t a new idea and neither you nor I will ever know the answer. I’m also not sure that it matters a great deal. But that’s just me.

142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 9:23:15am

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Sure, an Anglican bishop can ask us that, he can also ask us to interpret Paul’s writings in the light of him being an alien, a secret Santa, a woman or a yoga-practitioner. Credible evidence won’t appear just because some bishop asks something.

I can only ask you to check out the relevant passages from his outstanding book: he is not out to prove some outlandish conspiracy theory, he simply points out that a lot of Paul’s attitudes are consistent with him being a repressed gay.

And again, he is not trying to discredit Paul’s teachings overall, just asking us to see them in another light, especially as it relates to attitudes about homosexuality.

143 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 9:24:22am
144 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 9:25:15am

One more reason to dislike Nicolle Wallace. She’s a torture apologist.

Nicolle Wallace, a frequent “Morning Joe” guest and former George W. Bush spokeswoman, gave an impassioned defense of the agency’s waterboarding of three al-Qaeda suspects.

talkingpointsmemo.com

145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 9:25:57am

re: #143 Franklin

trying out lines of attack for his upcoming California Senate campaign:

and quoting Jim Hoft…

146 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 9:27:36am
147 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 9:28:22am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and quoting Jim Hoft…

I, for one, have never seen DimJim and Bqhatevwr in the same room.

Never mind, picturing Jim Hoft in those underwear ads is just, ewww.

148 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 9:29:00am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I can only ask you to check out the relevant passages from his outstanding book: he is not out to prove some outlandish conspiracy theory, he simply points out that a lot of Paul’s attitudes are consistent with him being a repressed gay.

And again, he is not trying to discredit Paul’s teachings overall, just asking us to see them in another light, especially as it relates to attitudes about homosexuality.

I have read his article on the issue, with the cited NT passages. That’s just one of many, many ways to interpret these passages. Not necessarily the most plausible way either.

149 calochortus  Dec 9, 2014 9:29:16am

BBL. Stuff to do.

150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 9:31:12am

re:
#144

One more reason to dislike Nicolle Wallace. She’s a torture apologist.

it saved American lives and hey when are we going to repeal the ACA because Gruber and take healthcare away from millions?

151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 9:33:34am

re:
#144

“What else did we do to make sure that 3,000 people weren’t blown out, obliterated on a New York City morning?” Wallace said. “I don’t care what we did.”

This is called Moral Absolute Values and any liberalpoliticallycorrect naysaying is antiAmerican moral relativism.

//

152 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 9:35:01am

re:
#144

“What else did we do to make sure that 3,000 people weren’t blown out, obliterated on a New York City morning?” Wallace said. “I don’t care what we did.”

Surely Nicole deserves headliner status at the next Values Voters Summit.

/

153 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 9:37:10am

Waterboarding and other Torture methods: It’s OK if we do it.

/

154 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 9:37:25am

re: #118 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“You know, quantum mechanics says that the probability that monkeys may fly out of your butt is not zero. Therefore you’re now obliged to buy these monkey cages and bananas. Animal safety above all!”

That argument should be used to increase the sale of tiger-repelling rocks.
/

155 bubba zanetti  Dec 9, 2014 9:39:12am
156 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 9:39:42am
157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 9:41:25am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Enhanced interrogation” is the politically correct term for torture.

“Enhanced dating” is the politically correct term for rape.

158 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 9:41:39am

I had to run an errand on my lunch break and I saw this guy in the road jogging to Taco Bell and I SWEAR he was a doppelganger for Chucky C. Same face shape, same ginger beard & hair, same “hipster” black frames.

Creeped me right out. I almost ran him over.

159 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 9:42:50am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

There is no inherent hypocrisy in the right’s railing against political correctness while hyperventilating if someone refers to torture as torture.

160 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 9:42:53am

If KSM was waterboarded at least 183 times, clearly waterboarding doesn’t work.

161 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 9:43:06am

re: #151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#144

This is called Moral Absolute Values and any liberalpoliticallycorrect naysaying is antiAmerican moral relativism.

//

Plus, there’s that whole thing about THEY DIDN’T make sure that 3,000 people weren’t blown out, obliterated on a New York City morning?

162 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 9:44:07am

re: #159 Higgs Boson’s Mate

There is no inherent hypocrisy in the right’s railing against political correctness while hyperventilating if someone refers to torture as torture.

Well it’s like that with religion too. They can make fun of Muslims and Islam all they want but the second you joke about Christians and Christianity. The right’s never opposed political correctness. They only oppose being called out for the assholes their ideology enables.

163 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 9:44:25am

re:
#158

You should insist that Michigan build a wall on its southern and on it’s upper peninsula borders to prevent Archmoron blogger Chuck c Johnson from entering the state.

/

164 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 9:45:47am

re:
#161

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, too.

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 9, 2014 9:45:50am

re: #148 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I have read his article on the issue, with the cited NT passages. That’s just one of many, many ways to interpret these passages. Not necessarily the most plausible way either.

I have enjoyed some of his works on biblical exegesis, that said this is one of the Bishop Spong’s weaker works and I say that as a fairly theologically radical Episcopalian (heh, just see my current page).

As you mentioned above, he does have a number of axes to grind and I don’t find him particularly persuasive on this subject as a result. As well, there are better ways of understanding and handling the issue of modern acceptance of homosexuality that do not require anywhere near the violence to the original scripture or Paul himself.

166 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 9:52:49am
167 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 9:56:41am

re: #166 lawhawk

A few bad apples…ticking time bomb…existential threat…mistakes were made…

168 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 9:56:41am

Please, no eHow articles.

169 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 9:59:02am

re:
#166

Calls/emails blistering @SenFeinstein for proposed release of report. If Americans die as a result of this stunt, responsibility 4 it clear
— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) December 9, 2014

Ah, I was waiting for RWNJ Hugh Hewitt’s opinion on this.

But, remember, Hugh and all other Values Voting RWNJ value Transparency, Truth, and Decency and Life.

/

170 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 10:03:11am

Laws of war, how do they work.

We shouldn’t be torturing people. Period.

At the same time we are in a war, and attacking terrorists who are carrying out attacks via UAV is a legal act under the laws of war and pursuant to the AUMF and declarations by the current and former administrations to go after AQ and ISIL and related groups/figures (assuming we get permission to do so from the local govt where act occurrs, assuming that there’s a government to even communicate with).

171 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 10:03:26am
172 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 10:05:58am

GAH MS Chart Controls is being stupid

173 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 10:08:02am

I need to send a dataset that has inserted rows with 0 value that don’t exist in the original dataset.

174 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 10:08:24am

To StackOverflow we go!

175 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 10:17:39am

Ugh. I’m home sick today. No surprise, since this job already has me stressed out and sleeping poorly. I had a headache all day yesterday and people noticed I wasn’t at 100% so when I texted the boss this morning he just told me to feel better and that he’d see me tomorrow.

I hate being sick. This sucks. Blah.

176 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 10:17:42am

Did Twitter change how they block people? I can’t even see the tweets of people who block me now.

177 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 10:18:52am
178 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 10:19:13am

re: #169 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#166

Ah, I was waiting for RWNJ Hugh Hewitt’s opinion on this.

But, remember, Hugh and all other Values Voting RWNJ value Transparency, Truth, and Decency and Life.

/

He’s right, friends. That Americans die is in no way the fault of the Bush administration for protracting the war in Afghanistan by lying us into a war with Iraq, nor is it to be attributed to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in the course of that latter war. No one in the ME knew that their fellow citizens were being abducted, held without charges and tortured until Feinstein spilled the beans.

179 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 10:32:19am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He is still an Anglican Bishop, he is not coming out against St Paul, he is simply asking us to interpret his writings in the light of him likely being a closeted gay.

Question. Can you use the term closeted gay?

Back in the time of the apostles, is there any indication that homosexuals needed to be closeted? Or, was homosexuality forced into the closet because of Christianity/religions which grew and established the books and dogma that would lead to homosexuals going into the closet.

The reason I wonder, and I may be getting my eras messed up, but homosexuality was pretty open in Greece, and probably other cultures at the same time. I say this based on some examples of Greek art that are very open about homosexuality that indicate it was pretty well accepted.

You needed the bible and years of interpretation to get to the point that homosexuality was considered a sin and then pushed into the closet. And I wonder when in time that really came about.

By the way, I have no real knowledge of the history of mankind and sexuality in this area. The conversation and topic made me think…”when did the closet come about?”

180 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 10:32:41am

re: #176 Ace-o-aces

Did Twitter change how they block people? I can’t even see the tweets of people who block me now.

I’m seeing Tweets of people that I blocked years ago, and that I know have blocked me.

181 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 10:33:30am

So this sickening meme just showed up on TCOT

182 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 10:35:39am

re: #179 ObserverArt

The conversation and topic made me think…”when did the closet come about?”

Late Middle Ages. Taken from the Old French diminutive for “closed.”

183 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 10:38:25am

re:
#181

I can’t see the picture since I’m at work but I’m sure it’s a fine example of Exceptional American values.

/

184 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 10:38:49am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

So this sickening meme just showed up on TCOT

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185 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 10:39:27am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

So this sickening meme just showed up on TCOT

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I believe Sarah Palin said that first.

186 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 10:41:59am

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

I’m seeing Tweets of people that I blocked years ago, and that I know have blocked me.

It’s weird, because all of a sudden I can see no tweet from people who have blocked me (In particular Chucky C and the Ayatollah Fischer) whereas just yesterday I could see all their tweets. And I know they blocked me months ago.

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 10:44:20am

re: #186 Ace-o-aces

It’s weird, because all of a sudden I can see no tweet from people who have blocked me (In particular Chucky C and the Ayatollah Fischer) whereas just yesterday I could see all their tweets. And I know they blocked me months ago.

Maybe that’s the approach. Avoid complaints to Twitter by letting the sender block who gets to see the Tweet - and only allow complaints from those who received the Tweet. So a jackass can self-select to avoid the critics getting the Tweets.
//

188 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 10:45:20am

Meanwhile, FoxNews is treating the release of the CIA report just as you would imagine:

foxnews.com

Not sure where the “balance” to this “fair” opinion is but I’m sure it’s on their site somewhere. /

189 Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2014 10:46:14am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Obama mentioned the salient point: what would the GOP replace it with?

Replace?

Only rich people are deserving of health care! The rest are peasants so are as expendable as the tires on my ten Ferraris

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 10:47:44am

Thanks John. You talking about your experiences on the Senate floor in a serious manner is about 8 years too late. Pompous jackass!

McCain Thinks Torture is Bad (MSNBC)

191 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 10:48:57am

re: #188 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Meanwhile, FoxNews is treating the release of the CIA report just as you would imagine:

foxnews.com

Not sure where the “balance” to this “fair” opinion is but I’m sure it’s on their site somewhere. /

I stopped reading after, “This is the apology tour on steroids.”

Assholes

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 10:49:13am

re: #188 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Meanwhile, FoxNews is treating the release of the CIA report just as you would imagine:

foxnews.com

Not sure where the “balance” to this “fair” opinion is but I’m sure it’s on their site somewhere. /

Yea, Rubio and Rodgers are whining that releasing this information is empowering the enemies of America.
//

193 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 10:50:04am

re: #122 lawhawk

VThe CIA did not vet torture program participants, some of whom had “admitted to sexual assault.”

You go to war with the sadists you have, not the sadists you might want.

194 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 10:50:16am

War Criminal joins in:

195 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 10:50:19am

re: #182 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The conversation and topic made me think…”when did the closet come about?”

Late Middle Ages. Taken from the Old French diminutive for “closed.”

Is that an architectural term?

I was wondering about the term as used for in-hiding, out of the public.

196 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 10:50:49am

Here in Lexington today:

197 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 10:51:05am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

You go to war with the sadists you have, not the sadists you might want.

They went and contracted to get the sadists they wanted. $80 million to duo who concocted the interrogation scheme.

198 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 10:51:11am

Carlos Danger is a fucking moron

Are words torture? If those words are “tell me what I want to know or I will rape your ma” then, YES, IT’S FUCKING TORTURE.

199 danarchy  Dec 9, 2014 10:51:17am

re: #190 Feline Fearless Leader

Thanks John. You talking about your experiences on the Senate floor in a serious manner is about 8 years too late. Pompous jackass!

McCain Thinks Torture is Bad (MSNBC)

Wasn’t McCain out early and often with the “Torture is bad” message? There are lot’s of things to criticize him for, not sure this is one.

200 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 10:52:09am

re: #197 lawhawk

They went and contracted to get the sadists they wanted. $80 million to duo who concocted the interrogation scheme.

Contracting out always delivers the product faster and cheaper.

201 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 10:52:11am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

202 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 10:52:27am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

War Criminal joins in:

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203 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 10:52:55am

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Contracting out always delivers the product faster and cheaper.

Fast, cheap, or good. Pick two.
/ :p

204 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 10:53:06am

When you want definitive answers to the torture questions, where do you go? Why, Fox, of course, for the finely honed, adroitly reasoned sound stylings of those well-known foreign policy experts, Jesse Watters, Andrea Tantaros and Harris Faulkner:

Watters told the hosts of Out Numbered that the American people did not need to know about torture at the CIA because “people do nasty things in the dark…

“The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome,” she (Tantaros) said. “But we’ve had this discussion. We’ve closed the book on it, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome…”

“Or it’s what you said,” co-host Harris Faulkner interrupted. “Jonathan Gruber is on the Hill today.”

rawstory.com

It’s like a trilogy of terror…or a triumvirate of stupid. And that’s what the right-wing morons will be spreading today.

205 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 10:53:17am

GOP small government: $80 million to concoct an interrogation scheme.

206 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 10:53:41am
207 Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2014 10:54:51am

re: #56 b.d.

Only the people on Planet Wingnut even know what a Gruber is let alone give a rat’s ass as to what he has to say.

I thought Gruber was the villain in the first Die Hard movie.

208 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 10:54:53am
209 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 10:55:00am

re:
#204

“The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome,” she (Tantaros) said. “But we’ve had this discussion. We’ve closed the book on it, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome…”

When does Tantaros graduate from junior high school?

210 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 10:55:56am

OK, fess up. Which of you Jokers is responsible for this:
twitter.com

211 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 10:56:14am

re: #192 Feline Fearless Leader

Yea, Rubio and Rodgers are whining that releasing this information is empowering the enemies of America.
//

Oh, like it isn’t well known in the middle east…and all over the world now.

Snakes. The Republicans are snakes, the whole lot of them. What a sad-sack party they have become.

And just think Rubio was being sold as presidential material. How much more demonstration does the American voting public need to see that shows he can’t stand on his own ideals. The minute he gets a little heat he crumbles and gets back in the party line. Fucking wimp.

And as far as McCain. Time for the old war machine to be shut down. Decommission him now. Even on a completely clear day he yells at clouds.

212 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 10:58:34am

re: #198 Franklin

Carlos Danger is a fucking moron

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Are words torture? If those words are “tell me what I want to know or I will rape your ma” then, YES, IT’S FUCKING TORTURE.

I wish he would stop torturing us with him being who he is. Words and images.

213 Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2014 10:59:08am

re: #67 lawhawk

Bob Cesca @bobcesca_go

The CIA lied to GWB about the efficacy of the interrogation techniques. #torturereport

I don’t think telling the truth with Cheney sitting there would be good for a career.

Or someone’s life for that matter. Semi/

214 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 10:59:16am

re: #209 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#204

When does Tantaros graduate from junior high school?

Soon after she masters the 3rd grade equivalency test. (But like, you know, when she does, it will be like AWESOME!)

215 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 11:00:43am

re: #210 Ace-o-aces

OK, fess up. Which of you Jokers is responsible for this:
twitter.com

Oh my

216 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 11:00:53am

re: #199 danarchy

Wasn’t McCain out early and often with the “Torture is bad” message? There are lot’s of things to criticize him for, not sure this is one.

Says it, but won’t break lockstep with his party over it. And once it was no longer the Bush Administration he has been fairly silent on the issue. So I’d say that he’ll ignore it unless he has to.

content.time.com

(If I Google “McCain opposes torture” most of the entries are 6+ years old.)

217 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Dec 9, 2014 11:07:06am

re: #195 ObserverArt

Is that an architectural term?

I was wondering about the term as used for in-hiding, out of the public.

It’s pretty recent. etymonline.com says this:

The adjective is from 1680s, “private, secluded”; meaning “secret, unknown” recorded from 1952, first of alcoholism, but by 1970s used principally of homosexuality; the phrase come out of the closet “admit something openly” first recorded 1963, and lent new meanings to the word out.

218 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 11:14:23am

re: #217 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It’s pretty recent. etymonline.com says this:

Thanks for the link. I will be bookmarking it as I love words, and I like to know their beginnings, roots, how they added definitions trough use, etc.

219 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 11:21:46am

re: #210 Ace-o-aces

OK, fess up. Which of you Jokers is responsible for this:
twitter.com

omg he got hacked. Or is that a spoof site?

220 Archangelus  Dec 9, 2014 11:22:15am

re: #86 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

He’s not alone in this dickery.

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Fuck all torture apologists.

A simple ‘f&ck them’ doesn’t even come close to express the sheer contempt and anger I have at these sub-human fractions of human beings; All those who glorified and empowered the use of torture against terrorists in US captivity have the blood of good men and women on their hands - as it’s what encouraged and motivated the enemy to murder abduct and torture US troops and contractors throughout the course of the War on Terror as led by Bush the Considerably Lesser.

Those who encourage this crap are every bit as bad as the worst of the enemy we fought, and are every bit as much responsible for good people suffering and dying, plain and freakin’ simple.

Screw them with a radioactive-coated thermite-laced iron pitchfork.

221 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 11:24:26am

re: #219 #FergusonFireside

omg he got hacked. Or is that a spoof site?

Spoof. There is an underscore at the end of the name.

222 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 11:47:46am

re: #198 Franklin

Carlos Danger is a fucking moron

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Are words torture? If those words are “tell me what I want to know or I will rape your ma” then, YES, IT’S FUCKING TORTURE.

1. The dick has never heard of psychological torture?

2. The dick used to pretend to be oh so liberal. All an act…

223 dholmes32  Dec 9, 2014 1:02:32pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Contracting out always delivers the product faster and cheaper.

One of the guys heading up this torture conglomerate, named Bruce Jessen, is Mormon. In 2012, he was called as a bishop (leader of a congregation). He apparently resigned shortly thereafter when the news hit papers in the Western US.

Got to wonder what his take of the $80 million was. I’m sure he paid tithing to the church, otherwise he wouldn’t have been called as a bishop.


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