Torture: Not Only Was It Evil and Immoral, It Didn’t Work

Senate’s torture report concludes these debased practices achieved nothing
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Dick Cheney and many other Bush administration officials were lying about torture, and now we have proof.

After reviewing thousands of the CIA’s own documents, the committee has concluded that torture was ineffective as an intelligence-gathering technique. Torture produced little information of value, and what little it did produce could’ve been gained through humane, legal methods that uphold American ideals.

I had long since come to that conclusion myself. As special agent in charge of the criminal investigation task force with investigators and intelligence personnel at Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, and Iraq, I was privy to the information provided by Khalid Sheik Mohammed. I was aware of no valuable information that came from waterboarding. And the Senate Intelligence Committee—which had access to all CIA documents related to the “enhanced interrogation” program—has concluded that abusive techniques didn’t help the hunt for Bin Laden. Cheney’s claim that the frequent waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed “produced phenomenal results for us” is simply false.

The self-defeating stupidity of torture might come as news to Americans who’ve heard again and again from Cheney and other political leaders that torture “worked.” Professional interrogators, however, couldn’t be less surprised. We know that legal, rapport-building interrogation techniques are the best way to obtain intelligence, and that torture tends to solicit unreliable information that sets back investigations.

Yes, torture makes people talk—but what they say is often untrue. Seeking to stop the pain, people subjected to torture tend to say what they believe their interrogators want to hear.

The report is essential because it makes clear the legal, moral, and strategic costs of torture. President Obama and congressional leaders should use this opportunity to push for legislation that solidifies the ban on torture and cruel treatment. While current law prohibits these acts, US officials employed strained legal arguments to authorize abuse.

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608 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 9, 2014 10:59:28am

Thanks. Obama! Oh wait…

2 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 10:59:30am

A re-post from downstairs/a reminder:

3 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 11:02:45am
4 Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2014 11:06:59am

re: #3 nearly-headless smith25

That’s the second biggest problem with torture. Once the victim figures out what his torturers want he or she will give it to them, just to make the pain stop. It will be the biggest crock of shit ever but it will be what the torturers want.

The biggest problem with torture is that it is pure evil.

5 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 11:07:21am

Looking at who knew what when… Still a muddle. CIA says this, Cheney says that, GWB’s book says something else. What a mess. No accountability.

6 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 11:08:29am

CCJ is back at it:

7 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 11:08:37am

You can’t have it every which way but the facts. You can’t say that you didn’t know, all while expanding the powers of the CIA to carry out the very disturbing acts that the President felt squeamish over.

You can’t say that the EIT weren’t torture, while refusing to disclose all of the acts that would otherwise be torture.

The public can say that they were misled by the CIA and the Administration because they didn’t have all of the facts such as those contained in the report, but the Bush Administration has no such excuse. They knew, or had reason to know of the abuses. Yet, they continued to allow the programs to continue.

They argued that stopping the EITs would harm American security and that they got actionable intel from these interrogations.

Turns out that they didn’t, but the CIA misled Congress to those very points.

This all reeks of an agency that after failing to stop the 9/11 attacks, decided that morals, ethics, and facts wouldn’t stand in the way of a good narrative. And they got plenty of help from the Bush Administration who stood there saying that the CIA was getting good intel from these detainees, when the fact was something quite different.

Then when stories began leaking about what the CIA was really doing to the detainees, the Administration had to start backtracking on what the definition of torture was, and that what was done wasn’t the legal definition of torture.

I’m still waiting for a good definition of “rectal hydration” or “rectal feeding” that isn’t stomach churning.

8 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:08:49am
4. One detainee, Abu Hudhaifa, was subjected to “ice water baths” and “66 hours of standing sleep deprivation” before being released because the CIA realized it probably had the wrong man (p. 16, footnote 32):

Ticking Time Bomb.

/

9 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 11:10:07am
10 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 11:10:26am
11 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 11:12:04am

re: #8 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ticking Time Bomb.

/

Also a good way of creating a life-long enemy out of someone who probably wasn’t one before.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 11:13:55am

OT, but lizards in the NE may want to take note:

13 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 11:15:04am
14 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 11:15:16am

re: #3 nearly-headless smith25

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Not just black people, but black Muslims in Montana, the state with the fewest Muslims (of any color)

The researchers found Montana to be the least Muslim state with only 0.034 percent identifying as Muslim adherents.

huffingtonpost.com

15 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 11:16:13am

OT but expect the RWNJs to be confused by this:

16 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:16:20am

re:
#10

CIA tortured Gul Ruhman to death at “the Salt Pit”. Mistaken identity.

Apology Tour on Steroids!!!! America is teh Awesome!!!!!Impeach Obama!!!

17 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 11:16:59am

re: #14 BeachDem

Not just black people, but black Muslims in Montana, the state with the fewest Muslims (of any color)

The researchers found Montana to be the least Muslim state with only 0.034 percent identifying as Muslim adherents.

huffingtonpost.com

Michigan is #6, behind Texas, Virginia, New York, New Jersey and Illinois.

18 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 11:17:14am
19 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:20:25am

re:
#18

Yup. But what about BENGHAZI??? How come no hearings or hangings????

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20 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 11:20:39am

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

Michigan is #6, behind Texas, Virginia, New York, New Jersey and Illinois.

Therefore it makes total sense to torture someone to reveal recruitment in Montana. Duh.
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21 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:23:08am

TPGOP on Benghazi: We’ll go to any lengths to find the absolute Truth about BENGHAZI and spare no punishment for anyone found to have….done something…or not done something.

TPGOP on Torture: Why was this report released? We handled all this stuff already. America F*ck Yeah!

22 Mike Lamb  Dec 9, 2014 11:23:18am

Is it any coincidence that the Democrats released the torture report re: terrorists the same day that Gruber is testifying in Congress who has the same name as the terrorist that bombed the Nakitomi Towers? Wake up sheeple. It’s a terrorist plot to torture the ACA!

23 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 11:24:37am
24 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:24:39am

re:
#22

Also, Obamacare was rammed down our throats with no debate, etc.

/

25 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 11:24:41am
26 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 11:25:02am

re: #22 Mike Lamb

Nakitomi Towers

Took me a sec.

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 11:25:05am

re: #20 BeachDem

Therefore it makes total sense to torture someone to reveal recruitment in Montana. Duh.
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Trying to nip sharia pine in the bud before it spreads to furniture throughout the US.
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28 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 11:25:50am

re: #22 Mike Lamb

Is it any coincidence that the Democrats released the torture report re: terrorists the same day that Gruber is testifying in Congress, and who has the same name as the terrorist that bombed the Nakitomi Towers? Wake up sheeple. It’s a terrorist plot to torture the ACA!

You’re being facetious, but==>

29 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:26:29am

re:
#25

Fox melts down after torture report: ‘The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome!’

Fox News is Very Serious People.

30 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 11:27:06am

re: #22 Mike Lamb

Is it any coincidence that the Democrats released the torture report re: terrorists the same day that Gruber is testifying in Congress who has the same name as the terrorist that bombed the Nakitomi Towers? Wake up sheeple. It’s a terrorist plot to torture the ACA!

And only stopped due to the heroism of John McCain!
/// (oops, it’s McClane! ;) )

31 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 11:27:13am

re: #25 Kragar

Youtube Video

32 Mike Lamb  Dec 9, 2014 11:27:52am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

You’re being facetious, but==>

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I was riffing on that. Just squaring the circle.

33 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 11:28:44am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

34 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 11:29:09am

re: #7 lawhawk

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You can’t have it every which way but the facts. You can’t say that you didn’t know, all while expanding the powers of the CIA to carry out the very disturbing acts that the President felt squeamish over.

You can’t say that the EIT weren’t torture, while refusing to disclose all of the acts that would otherwise be torture.

The public can say that they were misled by the CIA and the Administration because they didn’t have all of the facts such as those contained in the report, but the Bush Administration has no such excuse. They knew, or had reason to know of the abuses. Yet, they continued to allow the programs to continue.

They argued that stopping the EITs would harm American security and that they got actionable intel from these interrogations.

Turns out that they didn’t, but the CIA misled Congress to those very points.

This all reeks of an agency that after failing to stop the 9/11 attacks, decided that morals, ethics, and facts wouldn’t stand in the way of a good narrative. And they got plenty of help from the Bush Administration who stood there saying that the CIA was getting good intel from these detainees, when the fact was something quite different.

Then when stories began leaking about what the CIA was really doing to the detainees, the Administration had to start backtracking on what the definition of torture was, and that what was done wasn’t the legal definition of torture.

I’m still waiting for a good definition of “rectal hydration” or “rectal feeding” that isn’t stomach churning.

I think this all confirms what I have always thought about the Bush/Cheney relationship.

Bush liked the office and liked being president. It fits the cocky son of a Bush we always heard about. He blew the office off as far as actual work, he let others do that, he just strutted around like the big exec. No hands-on for him.

And he gave Cheney the war he wanted and just let him go. Same with all the neocons of the time. It was good for business. It made him look presidential, but now it is becoming clear he had no idea what was really going on.

What Bush wanted all along was daddy Bush’s nemesis Saddam for putting out the contract on him. I always thought the whole thing was a Texas oil man grudge that just had to be settled. How that was done was not important and Cheney knew it. He worked G.W. over to make money on the whole thing.

As time goes by, G. W. Bush looks more and more like one of our worst presidents ever. History will not be kind.

Cheney? Straight to hell with him. One of the blackest souls ever. It’d be fitting is he could be kicked out of this country and have his citizenship stripped for being a danger to the U.S.

35 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 11:29:24am

Who wore it best?

36 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 11:29:32am
37 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:31:31am

re:
#35

Any coincidence that the CIA Interrogation report is released to coincide with Gruber testimony?

“Hey, I’m just asking questions here!”

38 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 11:32:12am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

I’m 99.95 percent sure this comment:

Honey you can tell you are a guy that comes left to right because as a woman and mother of two sons in their 20s I am more than happy to spread Jackie’s name. This isn’t her first cry of fake rape and if she isn’t known it won’t be her last. If she is mentally ill, I cannot help that, what I can do notify men in her vicinity of her fake rape hunt!

is Chuckles himself.

39 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 11:32:30am
40 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 11:33:25am

Remember people, this man is a SENATOR!

41 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 11:33:49am

re: #18 Lidane

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Chambliss is just pissed off because it keeps making he and his party look bad.

Too bad!

By the way…a great example of what the Republicans think about things like sunshine laws and the public’s right to see documents, etc. They would be perfectly happy working totally in secret.

42 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 11:34:25am

re: #40 Ace-o-aces

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Remember people, this man is WAS a SENATOR!

43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:34:48am

re:
#40

I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy…but it’s a conspiracy

/

44 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 11:36:38am

re:
#38

Honey you can tell you are a guy that comes left to right

Um, what does this mean?

I probably don’t want to know….

45 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 11:36:55am
46 Archangelus  Dec 9, 2014 11:37:23am

re: #9 lawhawk

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Reading all this and looking back at the agency’s spectacular success complete and utter failure to prevent the events of 9/11, can someone please explain to me why an agency so bad hasn’t been torn down and rebuilt anew yet?

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 11:39:39am
48 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 11:41:41am
49 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 11:44:02am

A rat and trash—you make the call on which is Chuck C. Johnson and which is the Washington Post.

…This is the Washington Post, and the Post has to own that these are its standards. And when the day comes that Johnson thinks he can rake in a bunch of donations by attacking the Post, however fraudulently, the Post will have made that particular bed and should have fun lying in it.

dailykos.com

And I wish one of these stories would mention upchuck’s birther story that even Breitbart thought was a bridge too far. (And his mutual admiration with Orly Taitz.)

50 Kryptik  Dec 9, 2014 11:44:04am

We are a nation of cowards who have been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

51 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 11:45:11am

re: #46 Archangelus

That was one of the knocks against the whole formation of DHS; it didn’t address the problems with the CIA, NSA, NRO, and other agencies tasked with gathering intel. They didn’t have the right assets. Didn’t have the right mix of assets. Failed to gather intel. Failed to share intel. And we’ve still got much of the same dysfunctional system (where officials still defend the system, claiming that it’s better now than pre 9/11 (or after the EITs were stopped)).

52 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 11:48:04am

I remember well walking into the midst of a discussion among coworkers about the pros and cons of torture/waterboarding when it came up in 2006 or so. When asked my opinion on whether our guys should or should not be doing it WRT the whole bullshit ticking timebomb argument my response was that I was horrified it was even considered a topic of debate. That’s how far down into hell the Bush/Cheney administration had taken us as a country. The US I believed in would never even consider such a thing.

Yeah, I am that idealistic about some things.

53 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 11:48:56am
54 Franklin  Dec 9, 2014 11:49:54am

winnah!

55 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Dec 9, 2014 11:50:23am

re: #25 Kragar

Fox melts down after torture report: ‘The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome!’

We’re the awesomest country ever, except for what we do when we think nobody’s looking.

56 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 11:53:31am

re: #53 Kragar

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I would also include the Wall Street players who almost tanked our economy, destroyed countless American lives, and orchestrated the biggest theft of taxpayer dollars in the form of bailouts in history.

57 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 11:54:12am

And Charles P. Pierce checks in on upchuck:

You may be aware that Charles C. Johnson, the angry Furby of the Intertoobz, has taken it upon himself to out the woman involved in the Rolling Stone-UVA scandal. (However, as Chez Pazienza notes, you may not be aware that Johnson, being a complete clown, identified the wrong person in a “follow-up” post. Journalism!) For what I believe are its own institutional reasons, which we will get to in a minute, the Washington Post has chosen this moment in history to give CCJ the media oxygen for which he would sell his spleen for stew meat.

esquire.com

58 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 11:56:53am

Glenn’s Obamaphobia matches that of any TCOT wingnut

59 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 11:59:24am

re: #10 Lidane

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Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld et al. should end their lives in prison.

60 gwangung  Dec 9, 2014 11:59:46am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Still MIA on Ferguson, is he?

61 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 11:59:56am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Glenn’s Obamaphobia matches that of any TCOT wingnut

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It’s almost as if there’s a thing called politics that happens in Washington.

62 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 12:00:22pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good. Slick needs some exposure and trial time.

63 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 12:03:42pm

re: #57 BeachDem

And Charles P. Pierce checks in on upchuck:

You may be aware that Charles C. Johnson, the angry Furby of the Intertoobz, has taken it upon himself to out the woman involved in the Rolling Stone-UVA scandal. (However, as Chez Pazienza notes, you may not be aware that Johnson, being a complete clown, identified the wrong person in a “follow-up” post. Journalism!) For what I believe are its own institutional reasons, which we will get to in a minute, the Washington Post has chosen this moment in history to give CCJ the media oxygen for which he would sell his spleen for stew meat.
esquire.com

Pierce should have hat-tipped LGF - Charles posted the ‘wrong woman’ story last night while the Beast posted this morning.

64 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 12:06:24pm

All that said, kudos to the USA. A report like this would be unthinkable in, say, Russia (unless there were a revolution).

65 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 12:07:19pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Glenn’s Obamaphobia matches that of any TCOT wingnut

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Does anyone even read Greenwald anymore?

The expiration date on his snake oil was a few months ago.

66 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 12:07:51pm

Ah, got a live one in Twitter who’s trying to argue that the greater evil right now is the big bad protesters who gum up the streets and make for longer commutes because streets are closed, and the cops who kill unarmed people and don’t face justice.

All because he thinks that the protests are incompatible with being able to honor cops who do their jobs in order to force the system to hold them accountable when they do wrongs (like excessive force, officer-involved shootings, etc.)

67 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 12:08:04pm

re: #65 b.d.

WHO?! /

68 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 12:08:35pm

re: #63 makeitstop

Pierce should have hat-tipped LGF - Charles posted the ‘wrong woman’ story last night while the Beast posted this morning.

Yeah, he should have. He did link to the Daily Banter story which DOES credit/link to LGF several times.

69 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 12:08:53pm
70 JustMark  Dec 9, 2014 12:09:13pm

re: #65 b.d.

Does anyone even read Greenwald anymore?

The expiration date on his snake oil was a few months ago.

Who?

71 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 12:09:32pm

re: #67 lawhawk

WHO?! /

The guy who demands that Obama’s imperial guard go and arrest CIA members while simultaneously lectures about Obama’s overreach and abuse of power.

72 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 12:10:22pm

Glenn is orgasming over the torture report and he’s all OBAMAOBAMAOBAMAOBAMAOBAMA!!!!!! like the most crazed wingnut on TCOT.

73 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 12:11:35pm

I wonder who has more awards, Glenn or Chuck?

74 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 12:12:56pm

re: #73 b.d.

I wonder who has more awards, Glenn or Chuck?

Glenn has MOAR MONEYS AND A THROBBING VERDANT JUNGLE MOUNTAINTOP PALACE.

75 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 12:13:42pm
76 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 12:15:48pm

re: #68 BeachDem

Yeah, he should have. He did link to the Daily Banter story which DOES credit/link to LGF several times.

Oops. Daily Banter. Not Daily Beast. My bad.

77 Lancelot Link  Dec 9, 2014 12:16:06pm

re: #65 b.d.

The expiration date on his snake oil was a few months ago.

I think that’s unfair; real snake oil actually has some health benefits.

78 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 12:21:27pm

Chucky is just like Glenn, but without the jungletop hideaway and the mad journalism skills.
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79 SteelPH  Dec 9, 2014 12:22:21pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

Chucky is just like Glenn, but without the jungletop hideaway and the mad journalism skills.
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They’re certainly both repulsive human beings.

80 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 12:22:31pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

Chucky is just like Glenn, but without the jungletop hideaway and the mad journalism skills.
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Chuck is one thieving, cowardly running buddy away from being Glenn.

81 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 12:23:02pm

I don’t know if all of you caught this in the comments to the Gawker article that came our today. This came form a comment posted at 1:44 PM and it is said to be what Chucky posted in his Facebook page overnight.

Charles C. Johnson

10 hrs Edited

Dear past classmates,

I have received a number of emails, tweets, and phone calls, etc. from you and want to make some things clear about me and you now.

Please relay this message widely as it needs to be internalized by you about me.

I wasn’t friends with most of you. Most of you weren’t particularly kind to me throughout my academic career. That’s fine. I didn’t ask for it. I did well despite you. I wrote books, formed companies, got married, traveled widely, and had interesting, formative experiences.

Perhaps you were angry at me because I was poor. Perhaps it was because I was neuroatypical. Perhaps it was because my mother was ill. Perhaps it was because we didn’t get along because I was busy making a living and doing interesting things while you were not. Perhaps you were mad because your parents saw more of themselves in me than you and so liked me more and you were resentful. There are many reasons why weaker people dislike strong people: jealousy, misunderstandings, hatred of what’s different.

That’s not important now.

Now that I have some measure of notoriety and success, I do not owe you phone calls or responses to your condescending “concern” for me. Please know that most of these emails will be deleted or archived. Some will be openly mocked. Others may be retweeted or written about in future things.

Some of you have talked to the press about me and pretended that we were close. We were not but you’ve decided to trade on relationships we never had in the hopes of seeing your name in the press. This is pathetic.

Here’s what you may not do:

You may not accuse me of racism, sexism, blah blah-ish without asking me for my point of view first. I may or may not choose to give it to you.

I’m also not interested in your pop psychological explanations about what’s wrong with me.

The truth of the matter is that I’m the happiest I have ever been doing the work I love doing. I’m very busy on that project.

I have lived a colorful, difficult, exciting, crazy life thus far and it’s only just beginning. I make no apologies for it. I have made and will make mistakes and some of them may be huge. But I have lived life on my own terms.

Those of you I count as true friends, you know who you are. I owe you the world.

This boy is sick. I don’t think I have ever come across someone this pathetic.

82 Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2014 12:24:05pm

re: #55 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

We’re the awesomest country ever, except for what we do when we think nobody’s looking.

As the saying goes, “Character is what you do when no one is watching.”

83 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 12:25:14pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

I don’t know if all of you caught this in the comments to the Gawker article that came our today. This came form a comment posted at 1:44 PM and it is said to be what Chucky posted in his Facebook page overnight.

This boy is sick. I don’t think I have ever come across someone this pathetic.

Chucky could not have written that, it’s too coherent. Probs some Gawker wag pretending to be Chucky.

84 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 12:27:12pm

re:
#81

There’s a lot to choose from, but I think this is my favorite part:

Perhaps you were mad because your parents saw more of themselves in me than you and so liked me more and you were resentful.

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85 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 12:27:45pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

You may not accuse me of racism, sexism, blah blah-ish without asking me for my point of view first. I may or may not choose to give it to you.

I have directly stated he was a racist, pointed out verbatim that he was using racist sources, and his retort was that he was:

“exploring different views”.

That’s right. He wont admit he’s a racist or that he relies on white supremacists and racists for sources (who frequently turn out to be completely wrong).

He wont admit he’s a sociopath, but he doesn’t need to admit that - anyone paying attention should see it as clear as day.

86 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 12:28:06pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Chucky could not have written that, it’s too coherent. Probs some Gawker wag pretending to be Chucky.

Well, I am not a Facebook account holder. If anyone wants, they could check him there and see if he did indeed post it.

Sounds like him to me, but maybe he had someone read it over for some editing.

87 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 12:28:09pm
88 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 12:29:22pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

Interesting reply to UpChuck on gawker:

Can we stop calling him a journalist? I went to college with this kid (Claremont McKenna College) and he was crazy back then (maybe even more so). More importantly, he has no journalistic training. There were no journalism courses offered at Claremont McKenna or really at any of the schools in the Claremont Consortium (definitely no journalism major).

In College he would harass people through his blog—he seemed to enjoy outing gay people (this was around 2008/Prop 8 and the editor of the campus paper was not out to his parents or something? The exact details were always a bit unclear). He also supposedly would grab pictures and screenshots off of people’s facebooks to blackmail/harass/attack them later in life (like if they wanted to run for office or whatever). He also tried to have a professor fired for “supporting terrorists” (the Professor, who was Palestinian, had supported some boycott of Israel…).

Going to school with him was kind of terrifying—our Government Department had a lot of old Reagan Officials and probably some lingering Nixon cronies who completely enabled his school-yard fascism (that’s how he is so plugged into the Conservative scholarship world). There is no doubt in my mind that at a different time and place he would have gladly been over-seeing Stalinist Show Trials and gleefully ordering executions…I have more stories but his M.O. is harassment and frivolous lawsuits so I am censoring myself a bit on this public comment page

89 dog philosopher  Dec 9, 2014 12:29:28pm

count on it, millions of people will continue to simply refuse to believe that torture doesn’t work

90 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 12:29:42pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

Wow. This guy has serious mental problems.

91 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 12:31:11pm

re:
#88

Obviously just someone whose parents saw more of themselves in Chuck c Journalist and liked Chuckie better.

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92 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 12:31:12pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Chucky could not have written that, it’s too coherent. Probs some Gawker wag pretending to be Chucky.

I think it’s probably really him. It sounds like his style, totally. Here’s his Facebook page - you have to request access.

facebook.com

93 dog philosopher  Dec 9, 2014 12:31:20pm

You may not accuse me of racism, sexism, blah blah-ish without asking me for my point of view first

oh yes we can

94 Archangelus  Dec 9, 2014 12:32:19pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

I don’t know if all of you caught this in the comments to the Gawker article that came our today. This came form a comment posted at 1:44 PM and it is said to be what Chucky posted in his Facebook page overnight.

This boy is sick. I don’t think I have ever come across someone this pathetic.

Why people should never eat or drink while reading stuff like that:

95 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 12:32:20pm

re:
#93

No you may not accuser him of racism/sexism your accusing is UNvalidated!!!!11

/

96 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 12:33:36pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

I don’t know if all of you caught this in the comments to the Gawker article that came our today. This came form a comment posted at 1:44 PM and it is said to be what Chucky posted in his Facebook page overnight.

This boy is sick. I don’t think I have ever come across someone this pathetic.

Chuck C Johnson
97 iossarian  Dec 9, 2014 12:35:59pm

If that Facebook post really is CCJ writing then I’ll be “that guy” and say that posting demeaning stuff about him is morally fraught IMO. It sounds as if he has serious problems.

Hard to know what to do about his ongoing “journalism” in this context.

98 dog philosopher  Dec 9, 2014 12:36:08pm

Perhaps it was because I was neuroatypical. Perhaps it was because my mother was ill. Perhaps it was because we didn’t get along because I was busy making a living and doing interesting things while you were not. Perhaps you were mad because your parents saw more of themselves in me than you and so liked me more and you were resentful. There are many reasons why weaker people dislike strong people: jealousy, misunderstandings, hatred of what’s different

he would also like you to know that he is very modest

99 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 12:37:12pm
100 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 12:38:12pm
101 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 12:39:16pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

I don’t know if all of you caught this in the comments to the Gawker article that came our today. This came form a comment posted at 1:44 PM and it is said to be what Chucky posted in his Facebook page overnight.

This boy is sick. I don’t think I have ever come across someone this pathetic.

It is truly pathetic, and, I am guessing:

1. Mostly fictitious
2. Horribly pompous
Here’s what you may not do:
You may not accuse me of racism, sexism, blah blah-ish without asking me for my point of view first. I may or may not choose to give it to you.
Who the fuck died and made him god?
3. Delusional
Perhaps you were mad because your parents saw more of themselves in me than you and so liked me more and you were resentful
Yeah, I’ll bet that happened.

If he weren’t such an odious, obnoxious ratfucker, I might feel a tiny bit sorry for him, but as things stand, upchuck:

102 dog philosopher  Dec 9, 2014 12:39:28pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Reading torture report -striking how much worse it was than Bush officials ever let on. They knew it was wrong & were hiding the details

i predict cheney will soon be on tee vee claiming that the report proves that everything he ever said was correct

103 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 12:40:24pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I think it’s probably really him. It sounds like his style, totally. Here’s his Facebook page - you have to request access.

facebook.com

So not going there.

104 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 12:41:17pm

re: #97 iossarian

If that Facebook post really is CCJ writing then I’ll be “that guy” and say that posting demeaning stuff about him is morally fraught IMO. It sounds as if he has serious problems.

Hard to know what to do about his ongoing “journalism” in this context.

re: #101 BeachDem

It is truly pathetic, and, I am guessing:

1. Mostly fictitious
2. Horribly pompous
Here’s what you may not do:
You may not accuse me of racism, sexism, blah blah-ish without asking me for my point of view first. I may or may not choose to give it to you.
Who the fuck died and made him god?
3. Delusional
Perhaps you were mad because your parents saw more of themselves in me than you and so liked me more and you were resentful
Yeah, I’ll bet that happened.

If he weren’t such an odious, obnoxious ratfucker, I might feel a tiny bit sorry for him, but as things stand, upchuck:

Embedded Image

I’m torn. I think we will be finding out for sure pretty soon.

105 Ace-o-aces  Dec 9, 2014 12:41:27pm
There are many reasons why weaker people dislike strong people: jealousy, misunderstandings, hatred of what’s different.

No, I believe those are your motivations Chucky.

106 CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2014 12:42:36pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

I don’t know if all of you caught this in the comments to the Gawker article that came our today. This came form a comment posted at 1:44 PM and it is said to be what Chucky posted in his Facebook page overnight.

This boy is sick. I don’t think I have ever come across someone this pathetic.

Malignant. Narcissist. I recognize this not because I have a background in psychology, but because I was married to one.

Youtube Video

107 Floral Giraffe  Dec 9, 2014 12:44:11pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

I regret only having one upding to give!

108 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 12:44:13pm

re: #97 iossarian

If that Facebook post really is CCJ writing then I’ll be “that guy” and say that posting demeaning stuff about him is morally fraught IMO. It sounds as if he has serious problems.

Hard to know what to do about his ongoing “journalism” in this context.

I see your point.

But in the context of what he’s said about and done to other people, I’d say he deserves all he’s gonna get. If he’s unaware of how hateful he is, some enlightenment may be well overdue.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 12:44:30pm

My take is that he is wallowing in the attention. He has established an M.O. that continues to get the attention and thus will continue lying, smearing, and essentially being a troll since it provides the ego reinforcement and soon might be paying the bills. The underlying central principle that will be the sole source of integrity is “self”.

110 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 12:45:34pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Interesting reply to UpChuck on gawker:

There were no journalism courses offered at Claremont McKenna or really at any of the schools in the Claremont Consortium (definitely no journalism major).

That would certainly explain how upchuck was the 4th (out of 7 total) recipient of the ever-so-prestigious-Eric Breindel-Collegiate-Journalism-Award who was from Claremont McKenna, right?

111 Archangelus  Dec 9, 2014 12:46:50pm

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

So not going there.

Wouldn’t go there for all the money in the world and a trophy made out of Donald Trump’s hairpiece (after a long and lasting life spent after being safely released back into its natural habitat, of course)…

112 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 12:47:03pm
113 iossarian  Dec 9, 2014 12:47:58pm

re: #108 makeitstop

I see your point.

But in the context of what he’s said about and done to other people, I’d say he deserves all he’s gonna get. If he’s unaware of how hateful he is, some enlightenment may be well overdue.

Fair enough. Not going to participate but also not going to moralize further. He’s largely brought it on himself.

114 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2014 12:49:34pm

Former AG Alberto Gonzales, who provided the legal opinion in support of torture, was hired by Texas Tech University after leaving office.
This was primarily the work of Reagan-era fossil Kent Hance, who was then chancellor at TTU and is now blessedly gone into dishonorable retirement.

He began the new job on August 1, 2009. After the announcement, more than 40 professors at Texas Tech signed a petition opposing the hiring. Texas Tech Chancellor Kent Hance said Gonzales has generated interest in the University by recruiting outside of Lubbock and through his reputation in the news. “I had a young man come up to me Monday in a restaurant and he said, “I’m in Judge Gonzales’s class, and it’s the best class I’ve ever taken. Thank you for providing him to the community.” Hance said

Yeah, Hance is right about Gonzales generating interest in the university. We had never had so much attention from international media, human rights investigators, and possibly international terrorists. (A couple of terrorists were arrested in Lubbock while Gonzales was there, but the dutifully Republican yokel media never made a connection with the former AG).

Gonzales, too, is gone from Tech and currently serves as dean of the Belmont law school in Nashville, Tennessee.

115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 12:50:07pm

re:
#102

i predict cheney will soon be on tee vee claiming that the report proves that everything he ever said was correct

The report proofs everything Cheney said was right and Obama hates America for releasing it.

/

116 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 12:51:35pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

I don’t know if all of you caught this in the comments to the Gawker article that came our today. This came form a comment posted at 1:44 PM and it is said to be what Chucky posted in his Facebook page overnight.

You may not accuse me of racism, sexism, blah blah-ish without asking me for my point of view first. I may or may not choose to give it to you.

This boy is sick. I don’t think I have ever come across someone this pathetic.

He has given his point of view or race, sex and politics clearly and repeatedly. And he is a sexist, racist conservative bigot.

117 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 12:52:21pm

re: #104 #FergusonFireside

I’m torn. I think we will be finding out for sure pretty soon.

Oooh, pick me, pick me (or I’ll tell your parents that I’m better than you and they’ll admire me and you’ll be resentful and jealous and trying to quote me without my specific permission, and, and…)
/

118 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 12:52:28pm

re: #112 Lidane

[Embedded content]

‘We are awesome. The United States is awesome.’

Great, the Val contingent has been heard from.

Tantaros comes across as a real knucklehead in that segment. A petty little pinched mind at work there.

119 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 12:54:51pm

Right, because the GOP never buried bad news ever. I can’t think back more than two weeks ago to when they dumped a report clearing the Administration over Benghazi on the Friday before Thanksgiving (and when everyone was focused on the grand jury in Ferguson dropping their result).

But if you want to stick with the details of what they’re claiming about with the ACA and Gruber, then you’d have to ignore the months of reporting about intricate provisions of the law, line by line dissection in group efforts, the CBO scoring of the bills - including taxes (revenues) and spending (including subsidies) going forward, and that there were tax consequences to the provisions (which even the Supreme Court noted in upholding the law on the federal government’s tax power grounds).

We’d also have to ignore that Gruber’s background included formulating the MassCare RomneyCare plan that then GOP candidate for President ran against but couldn’t honestly explain his opposition to health care using the same ideals - individual responsibility (via the mandate) , which the GOP had been pushing for years.

Now, when there’s personal responsibility and that penalties are imposed to try and shift behavior, the GOP complains.

Now, when the Senate releases the report about the CIA misleading everyone about what it was doing, its’ the GOP and right wing who are trying to divert attention from the serious problems with our intel gathering agencies, and on to a problem that isn’t a problem - a single policy wonk who spoke his mind and called people idiots because they don’t care to understand how the law works and that politics is ugly when you look under the hood.

120 Zamb  Dec 9, 2014 12:55:14pm

re: #93 dog philosopher

I assume his response would be to yell logic really loudly and declare you can’t win a debate. Seems to be the go to for wingnuts these days.

121 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 12:57:06pm

re:
#119

There is no ACA “mess”. It passed five years ago, was ruled constitutional by the SCOTUS, and is granting access to private health insurance for millions, many for the first time in their lives.

122 leftynyc  Dec 9, 2014 12:57:45pm

And the cons still can’t help themselves from invading my lady parts:

politico.com

Conservatives had asked their party leaders to attach a policy rider to the funding bill that would have allowed corporations potentially to duck contraceptive coverage rules under Obamacare.

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:02:14pm
124 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 1:04:11pm

Only RWNJ would deflect attention from a report alleging torture conducted and approved by its government towards a private citizen who’s only crime is helping craft healthcare legislation granting access to medical care to millions, many for the first time in their lives.

125 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 1:05:55pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Darrell Issa asked John Gruber if he is stupid. Gruber responded with one word, “Benghazi.”

If that’s true, then Gruber is a new hero of mine.

126 Zamb  Dec 9, 2014 1:06:12pm

re: #119 lawhawk

This crap is their go to for every bad news story for them. For years it was to bury some Benghazi nonsense, now it’s this insane witch hunt. Democrats cannot be expected to build their schedule around all the conspiracies coming out of the right.

127 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 1:06:23pm

Hmmph. I see that the spam callers are hitting cell phones more and more.

Work cell phone has gotten calls in the last two days from numbers that identify themselves as being in:
Stigler, OK
Scotland, SD

I wonder if the fracking fluids have gotten loose and are sentient and making marketing calls.
//

128 Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2014 1:07:23pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Darrell Issa asked John Gruber if he is stupid. Gruber responded with one word, “Benghazi.”

If that’s true, then Mr. Gruber just scored the political zinger of the year.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:07:41pm

re: #125 makeitstop

If that’s true, then Gruber is a new hero of mine.

I think it’s probably a joke that Matty made up.

130 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 1:10:13pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think it’s probably a joke that Matty made up.

Too bad. That’s how I would have responded. :)

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:10:28pm

re: #127 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmmph. I see that the spam callers are hitting cell phones more and more.

Work cell phone has gotten calls in the last two days from numbers that identify themselves as being in:
Stigler, OK
Scotland, SD

I wonder if the fracking fluids have gotten loose and are sentient and making marketing calls.
//

I got a robo call this morning from a number in Georgia. It was Rand Paul hysterically screeching about Obama’s “illegal unilateral amnesty”.
And I suspect the call ended with “help me stop him by sending me money!!11!!” but I hung up right after he said “amnesty”.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:11:46pm
133 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 1:13:06pm
134 Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2014 1:13:22pm

re: #130 makeitstop

Too bad. That’s how I would have responded. :)

Yep. Totally.

135 Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2014 1:13:49pm

Goodnight, all.

136 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 1:14:23pm

ID-10T error:

137 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 1:16:43pm

re:
#136

At least our RWNJ are calling Torture Torture.

138 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 1:17:05pm

re: #136 lawhawk

139 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 1:19:09pm

Holy shit: UpChuck is definitely getting more than his 15 minutes of fame.
Wait, Did Clowntroll Blogger Chuck Johnson Shit On The Floor One Time?

Johnson went to Claremont McKenna College, a small, liberal arts school in California. In this school, he had classmates, some of whom are his friends, and many of whom most definitely do not fuck with him one bit. Both factions have tried to reach out to him. Late last night, he posted this on his Facebook wall, addressing everyone. Today, it was emailed to me:

Dear past classmates,

I have received a number of emails, tweets, and phone calls, etc. from you and want to make some things clear about me and you now.

Please relay this message widely as it needs to be internalized by you about me.

SNIP

Here’s what you may not do:

You may not accuse me of racism, sexism, blah blah-ish without asking me for my point of view first. I may or may not choose to give it to you.

I’m also not interested in your pop psychological explanations about what’s wrong with me.

The truth of the matter is that I’m the happiest I have ever been doing the work I love doing. I’m very busy on that project.

I have lived a colorful, difficult, exciting, crazy life thus far and it’s only just beginning. I make no apologies for it. I have made and will make mistakes and some of them may be huge. But I have lived life on my own terms.

Those of you I count as true friends, you know who you are. I owe you the world.

The man is a performance artist!

140 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 1:21:34pm

Just did an interview with Politico’s Jacob Silverman about Chuck; you never know with Politico, but I got the impression the piece is going to be pretty harsh toward our pal Chuck.

I did not hold back one bit.

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:24:20pm

And this happened in Illinois while no one was paying attention:

142 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 1:25:37pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this happened in Illinois while no one was paying attention:

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Agh.

143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 9, 2014 1:27:16pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this happened in Illinois while no one was paying attention:

[Embedded content]

Somebody needs to take that up before the courts, but I expect it will be a long a potentially dangerous struggle.

144 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 1:27:24pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this happened in Illinois while no one was paying attention:

Given that just about any cell phone out there can record video and photos, etc. I do wonder if they considered what this is going to lead to. Mainly turning loose police to be abusive towards perceived filmers, which will do wonders for their public perception. And the films and videos will get out there in the public media none the less.

And presumably there will be a court challenge shortly.

145 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 1:27:39pm

re: #133 #FergusonFireside

[Embedded content]

Nice to see a liberal vet pushing back at the right wing assholes. Hell I can’t stand McCain but McCain was one who spoke with great personal understanding of torture. You know the thing that guys like Cheney, Bush, and the other asshats who turned a blind eye to this shit would wet their pants if they ever experienced it.

146 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 1:28:05pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Just did an interview with Politico’s Jacob Silverman about Chuck; you never know with Politico, but I got the impression the piece is going to be pretty harsh toward our pal Chuck.

I did not hold back one bit.

Johnson vs. Johnson

The Web Wars

May the best Johnson win! (That would be Charles F. and not Chucky C)

147 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 1:29:10pm

re:
#141

Because Freedom.

//

148 HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2014 1:29:50pm

Can someone name me a single reason why people shouldn’t be able to record the police?

149 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 1:30:08pm

re: #110 BeachDem

There were no journalism courses offered at Claremont McKenna or really at any of the schools in the Claremont Consortium (definitely no journalism major).

That would certainly explain how upchuck was the 4th (out of 7 total) recipient of the ever-so-prestigious-Eric Breindel-Collegiate-Journalism-Award were from Claremont McKenna, right?

Don’t forget this little nugget:

Going to school with him was kind of terrifying—our Government Department had a lot of old Reagan Officials and probably some lingering Nixon cronies who completely enabled his school-yard fascism (that’s how he is so plugged into the Conservative scholarship world).

That would be one reason why he got that Breindel award.

150 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 1:30:25pm

re: #139 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

151 retired cynic  Dec 9, 2014 1:31:20pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this happened in Illinois while no one was paying attention:

[Embedded content]

WTF!?

152 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 1:31:44pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Can someone name me a single reason why people shouldn’t be able to record the police?

IF YOU’RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG YOU DON’T NEED TO FILM THE POLICE!

/////////////////

153 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 1:32:24pm
154 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 1:33:41pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Can someone name me a single reason why people shouldn’t be able to record the police?

I’m sure there are a ton of BS reasons that can be spewed.

Dangerous, you can be in the way.

Video can lie.

Impeding police work.

It can be manipulated (Photoshop) and edited.

…etc.

155 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 1:38:35pm

HAHA “Clowntroll Blogger”. Brilliant.

156 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 1:38:43pm

ACLU head is on Alex Wagner and saying we (the government Justice Department) need to prosecute the criminals that allowed the illegal interrogations.

He says you can’t call it an illegal crime and not have some criminals, and criminals need to be prosecuted.

157 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 1:40:40pm

re: #156 ObserverArt

Did you see his call for pardons?

158 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 1:43:14pm

The US govt has a lot to be ashamed about.

Why shouldn’t the “adviser”, John “Torture Memos” Yoo be prosecuted?

159 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 1:44:39pm

Not sure if this has already been answered, but why did RS use Jackie’s real first name and not a pseudonym?

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:45:17pm

always the victim…

DON’T YOU DARE QUOTE ME VERBATIM!!!11!!!

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:46:18pm

And…he’s just joking, y’all!!11!!

162 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 1:47:20pm

re:
#161

hurr hurr media can’t tell when I’m joking or serious or if I’m insane…

163 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 1:48:37pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

164 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 1:50:10pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

always the victim…

[Embedded content]

DON’T YOU DARE QUOTE ME VERBATIM!!!11!!!

I see he’s setting up his “Satire/Context” defense.

165 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 1:50:11pm
166 Lidane  Dec 9, 2014 1:50:25pm

Of course they do:

167 iossarian  Dec 9, 2014 1:51:09pm

re: #166 Lidane

Breaking: men less likely than women to believe gender discrimination is a “thing”.

168 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 1:51:55pm
169 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 1:52:30pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

And…he’s just joking, y’all!!11!!

[Embedded content]

Yeah, this one that somedbody pointed out yesterday was a laugh riot

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 1:53:22pm

Those kids back in school were all just jealous of his awesomeness!

171 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 1:54:19pm

re: #157 Rightwingconspirator

Did you see his call for pardons?

I guess he is all over the place. Or, he had a rethink and changed up today.

Then again…the ACLU has been a little crazy this past year.

172 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 1:54:24pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those kids back in school were all just jealous of his awesomeness!

[Embedded content]

And that their moms always liked upchuck best.

173 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 1:54:30pm

re: #164 Kragar

I see he’s setting up his “Satire/Context” defense.

Well, his grandma did wean him on the master of that tactic, Rush Limbaugh…

174 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 1:55:51pm

re: #153 Kragar

[Embedded content]

What a dick.

175 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 1:57:04pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

And…he’s just joking, y’all!!11!!

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson

It’s pretty funny to watch national publications print my joking tweets as entirely serious.

Interesting. He is taking a hacksaw to his own ‘serious’ journalism.

I wonder if there is anyone in his life that can get the most important message to him.

Shut the Fuck Up Chuck!

176 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 1:57:09pm

Ooookay.

Spokesperson for the Polish embassy in Washington, DC, on reported CIA black site in Poland: ‘Poland remains at the forefront of European states who are actively seeking to uncover the circumstances surrounding the operation of secret CIA sites in Europe’ - @BuzzFeedNews
read more on buzzfeed.com

177 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 1:59:00pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

Interesting. He is taking a hacksaw to his own ‘serious’ journalism.

I wonder if there is anyone in his life that can get the most important message to him.

Shut the Fuck Up Chuck!

What’s really funny is watching him try to backpeddle.

178 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 2:05:14pm

re: #153 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Dad?

179 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 2:05:48pm

The silly bastard doesn’t even know that the Internet never forgets?

180 PhillyPretzel  Dec 9, 2014 2:08:24pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

If he is so good then Woodward and Bernstein were not interested in his so called information. I am sure they would have protected him like they did “deep throat.”

181 KerFuFFler  Dec 9, 2014 2:09:00pm

One of the most dangerous ramifications of torture is that people may not be willing to report suspicious activity if they think that someone innocent might end up getting tortured. It is far better that people trust that the authorities will monitor suspicious people appropriately if we want to encourage people to report nefarious plots.

182 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 2:10:23pm
183 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 2:11:44pm

I have no problem at all believing that CCJ pooped on the floor. That kind of thing absolutely happens in freshmen dorms. At the UW once went into our bathroom and saw my neighbor passed out drunk, slumped up against the porcelain of the urinal. People had obviously been peeing on him and there were several cooked and dismembered whole chickens scattered about. The floor also had several large pools of vomit that someone had covered loosely in kitty litter.

It was a magical time.

184 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 2:12:33pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

The silly bastard doesn’t even know that the Internet never forgets?

Reality escapes him.

185 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 2:13:00pm

Now:

Then:

186 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 2:14:04pm

and:

187 PhillyPretzel  Dec 9, 2014 2:14:21pm

re: #185 b.d.

Delusions of grandeur.

188 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 9, 2014 2:15:16pm

Figures. Chuckles implodes big times and my computer is 1000 km away. Hard to keep up the dossier with a cellphone.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 2:15:53pm

re: #185 b.d.

Now:

[Embedded content]

He was just joking, you libtard!!11!!!

////////////

190 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 2:16:47pm

Let’s hope no one gets stranded up there. Well, I might give Chuckles a pass (no pun intended—none at all).

Blizzard warning now in effect for northern Sierra County, Calif., including Donner Pass and Echo Summit; winter storm warning issued for southern Sierra - @capitalweather
see original on washingtonpost.com

191 Tigger2  Dec 9, 2014 2:16:49pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

Delusions of grandeur.

He would fit right in with all the other fucking Teapublican lairs in Congress.

192 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 2:17:11pm

Not being a tweeter, is there a count kept of daily activity? Chucky C seems to burn that site/service up. How many does he crank out a day?

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 2:17:14pm

Al Franken joked about being a communist. And now he’s a Senator!11!!!
////

194 No Country For Old Haters  Dec 9, 2014 2:17:31pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Just did an interview with Politico’s Jacob Silverman about Chuck; you never know with Politico, but I got the impression the piece is going to be pretty harsh toward our pal Chuck.

I did not hold back one bit.

He’ll just take it as validation. Wingnuts think they’ve done good when people react to their bizarre antics.

195 dog philosopher  Dec 9, 2014 2:17:55pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

Delusions of grandeur.

delusions of adequacy

196 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 9, 2014 2:17:55pm

re: #50 Kryptik

We are a nation of cowards who have been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

requoted for truth.

197 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 2:18:09pm

re: #191 Tigger2

He would fit right in with all the other fucking Teapublican lairs in Congress.

You know there is a picture of Chuck with a tricorn hat on out there somewhere.

198 PhillyPretzel  Dec 9, 2014 2:18:54pm

re: #197 b.d.

If there is not, that is what photoshop is for.

199 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 9, 2014 2:19:39pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

Delusions of grandeur.

Not even. Delusions of adequacy in his case.

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 2:19:52pm

Ouch. Greatest reason yet to subscribe to LGF. Google Ad services tossing up a “Romney 2016?” ad with Mr. Smarmy’s face sitting right there.

201 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 2:20:23pm

re: #196 Aunty Entity Dragon

requoted for truth.

We don’t even have enough guts to prosecute those who tortured, nor those who instigated or approved it.

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 2:20:53pm

re: #197 b.d.

You know there is a picture of Chuck with a tricorn hat on out there somewhere.

deadspin commenter has a photoshop of CCJ with a misplaced male organ as a nose.

203 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 9, 2014 2:21:31pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Interesting reply to UpChuck on gawker:

The new breed of Robespierre/St-Just inquisitor.

Self righteous, narcissistic, obsessive and no empathy.

204 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 2:21:42pm

Wow! Get a load of this letter from Chuck C. Johnson to the entire wingnut universe, begging for money earlier this year:

Scribd Document

205 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 2:25:24pm

re:
#186

OMFG.

Although not sure how much more of a clown he’d be then Steve Stockman or Steve King or Michelle Bachmann or Allen West or [insert any TPGOP congresscritter’s name]

206 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 2:26:22pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Wow! Get a load of this letter from Chuck C. Johnson to the entire wingnut universe, begging for money earlier this year:

scribd.com

Haha, saw Robert Spencer’s name in there.

Obviously, Chuckles lives off his wife and wingnut charity.

207 Targetpractice  Dec 9, 2014 2:26:30pm

re: #185 b.d.

Now:

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Man is a walking definition for “Napoleon complex.”

208 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 2:26:45pm

re: #205 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#186

OMFG.

Although not sure how much more of a clown he’d be then Steve Stockman or Steve King or Michelle Bachmann or Allen West or [insert any TPGOP congresscritter’s name]

I think he is well on his way to becoming someone everyone can look down to.

/

209 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 9, 2014 2:27:14pm

re:
#204

Must have been before meeting with his billionaire supporters. ///

210 Tigger2  Dec 9, 2014 2:27:29pm

LOL Chuckie is more of a moocher then anyone on Government Support.

211 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 2:29:11pm

Get ready for another wingnut rag.

Denver billionaire Philip Anschutz reportedly exploring possibility of reviving Rocky Mountain News, which shut down in 2009 after nearly 150 years of publication - @denbizjournal
read more on bizjournals.com

212 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 2:29:36pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Wow! Get a load of this letter from Chuck C. Johnson to the entire wingnut universe, begging for money earlier this year:

scribd.com

Interesting how he lists places where his work has shown up, but doesn’t provide links to either Breitbart or PJ Media.

They must have purged him.

213 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 2:32:11pm

That email that Charles linked to disturb me a bit.

All those email addresses!

Is that cool? I would think not. Hello spammers and who knows what-all.

214 dholmes32  Dec 9, 2014 2:33:10pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Wow! Get a load of this letter from Chuck C. Johnson to the entire wingnut universe, begging for money earlier this year:

scribd.com

Is there a Reader’s Digest version? Scribd is banned at work and Scribd itself wants me to install an app on my phone to read past page 3.

215 garzooma  Dec 9, 2014 2:35:22pm

How ‘bout some love for John McCain’s full throated defense of the Senate report:

[the tortures] not only failed their purpose — to secure actionable intelligence to prevent further attacks on the U.S. and our allies — but actually damaged our security interests, as well as our reputation as a force for good in the world.

216 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 2:37:33pm

When I am appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life upChuck will have full rights to spread his views. He will be allowed to continue to publish with a spirit duplicator, and can freely express his views at the park, on Tuesdays and the odd numbered Thursdays of each month. He can talk in a normal tone of voice, but he will be restricted to the area of the park between the maint. shack and the dumpster. In no case will he be allowed near the flower gardens, the pond or the walking trail. (Maint personnel working on days that he is in the area will be entitled to comp time or additional pay, their choice)

Vote for RBS for BDL!!!!

RBS

217 dholmes32  Dec 9, 2014 2:38:04pm

re: #215 garzooma

How ‘bout some love for John McCain’s full throated defense of the Senate report:

It’s really too bad people wouldn’t pay attention to the one guy who had experience with torture.

218 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 2:41:20pm

re: #215 garzooma

How ‘bout some love for John McCain’s full throated defense of the Senate report:

The teahadists will turn on him just as quickly as they do anyone else.

219 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 2:41:37pm

re: #216 RealityBasedSteve

(Maint personnel working on days that he is in the area will be entitled to comp time or additional pay, their choice)

Vote for RBS for BDL!!!!

RBS

Hazardous duty pay!

220 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 2:46:34pm

re: #186 b.d.

Because black people bringing an important issue to the forefront of America by expressing their Constitutional rights must be stopped because Benghazi///

221 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 2:48:20pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Wow! Get a load of this letter from Chuck C. Johnson to the entire wingnut universe, begging for money earlier this year:

[Embedded content]

Is Pierre Omidyar’s email in there?

222 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 2:56:24pm

Wow, the details of this floor pooping incident are super compelling. This story has long legs and grippy shoes I tells ya’.

The bike helmet is the kind of seemingly random detail that just can’t be faked. I’m fairly certain now that CCJ floorshits on the regular.

223 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 3:06:11pm

re: #185 b.d.

Now:

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With a combined total of 25 retweets on those three tweets, upchuck will certainly have his work cut out for him in building a constituency.

224 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 3:09:50pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

Wow, the details of this floor pooping incident are super compelling. This story has long legs and grippy shoes I tells ya’.

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The bike helmet is the kind of seemingly random detail that just can’t be faked. I’m fairly certain now that CCJ floorshits on the regular.

I’ll say this, CCJ is the kind of guy that would ‘top deck’ you in a heartbeat if he thought he could get away with it.

I’m sure that he made a positive impact on all his ex-classmates. Perhaps some good (as in scandalous details about him) can come from this.

RBS

225 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 3:12:42pm

True … true.

226 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 3:16:19pm

re: #225 goddamnedfrank

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True … true.

They never showed that it wasn’t his turd now did they? You can draw your own conclusions from that.

RBS

227 klystron  Dec 9, 2014 3:19:10pm

I feel the need to contribute happy things.

228 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 3:20:21pm

re: #225 goddamnedfrank

229 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 3:27:25pm

Shannon is being awful quiet today.

230 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 3:27:29pm

The folks over at Gawker are having a grand old time taking swings at Chuck. I’ve been giggling uncontrollably for the better part of a half hour now.

231 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 3:31:39pm

OT: Anyone around here?

For some reason the idea of #Thundersnow seems magical to me.

232 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 3:32:44pm

Off to the monthly Baja Alabama Dems conclave. This will be the first one since the Ferguson/Garner/Tamir conjunction.

233 PhillyPretzel  Dec 9, 2014 3:34:23pm

re: #231 nearly-headless smith25

I have heard thunder during a snow storm. Not going on right now in Philly.

234 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 3:34:33pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

Shannon is being awful quiet today.

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She’s probably been talking to her lawyer.

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 3:35:13pm

re: #231 nearly-headless smith25

nor-easter be knocking on the door there…

236 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 3:36:07pm

Yes, sometimes the law is an ass…

Attorney General Eric Holder on on CIA interrogation report: ‘I can’t honestly say that crimes were committed. But I will say this: What we saw in these enhanced interrogation techniques was not consistent with who we are, who we say we are as Americans. They might have been legal in the strictest sense of the word but they were immoral’ - @NBCNews
end of alert

237 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 3:39:11pm

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

Bullshit, Holder.

238 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 3:39:34pm

There’s a hell of a lot of “immorality” going on in the US,, for sure.

Lawyers are basically technicians, is how one lawyer put it to me back in the day when I worked for a civil rights practice.

239 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 3:40:48pm

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

Yes, sometimes the law is an ass…

Attorney General Eric Holder on on CIA interrogation report: ‘I can’t honestly say that crimes were committed. But I will say this: What we saw in these enhanced interrogation techniques was not consistent with who we are, who we say we are as Americans. They might have been legal in the strictest sense of the word but they were immoral’ - @NBCNews
end of alert

I think we can thank John Yoo for that situation. :/

240 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 3:47:07pm

An honest AG would prosecute.

241 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 3:48:27pm

Well, no shutdown right before xmas…

Editor’s note: The government-wide U.S. spending bill is expected to be officially released late Tuesday, The Associated Press reports. The bill, which is expected to pass both the House and Senate, would fund most of the government through next September and prevent a government shutdown. - Stephanie
read more on bigstory.ap.org

Were the teabaggers put in their places? Or did the Dems give up too much?

242 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 3:50:55pm

re: #240 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

An honest AG would prosecute.

The CYA was done during the Bush years. They made sure nothing would ever be done to the perps of their horrific crimes.

243 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 9, 2014 3:52:02pm

Once again, this is the most common attitude in the GOP and sums up their philosophy best:

244 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 3:53:15pm

re: #231 nearly-headless smith25

OT: Anyone around here?

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For some reason the idea of #Thundersnow seems magical to me.

I’ve been in two in Columbus. Both back in 1977 when we had bitter cold, lots of snow and a natural gas shortage. The first time I saw lightening and heard rumbles and the snow was coming down I was blown away. The lightening was great because it was lighting the snow crystals and the sky would brighten a bit each time.

The second time it happened was on a Friday night. A buddy and I did a little bit of a very mild blotter acid and went walking a half mile or so to one of the bigger parks in our downtown area. That was a blast. I can still remember that it was quite out and you could hear the snowflakes coming down in a very soft whoosh kind of sound.

Sadly, a few blocks form where we lived, we discovered all that was out and about in the heavy snow was the police. We then figured they might want to ask why two guys were out walking in the snow and having an unusually good time. Back we went. And then I got out books of famous photographers (I still remember Diane Arbus’s great study of people. Wow.) and spent the rest of the night and early morning deep into each and every photo.

Ahhhh. Youth and art school. And the 70s!

245 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 3:53:21pm

So, in reality, Jack Bauer would have ended up labeled as a violent thug and a failure at his job.

I have no animus towards Kiefer Sutherland, but 24, IMO, was a huge factor in shaping public indifference (and, to some extent, acceptance) of torture of terrorist suspects by our government during W’s administration.

Too bad this report couldn’t have happened ten years ago…

246 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 3:54:01pm

re: #243 William Barnett-Lewis

Once again, this is the most common attitude in the GOP and sums up their philosophy best:

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“Might makes right”

247 Kid A  Dec 9, 2014 3:54:23pm

re: #225 goddamnedfrank

248 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 3:54:48pm

re: #245 TedStriker

re: #239 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Judging by events John Yoo is correct in the legal and political senses. Much of this goes back to his grandfathers days.

Why should I think Yoo was correct if morally bankrupt? Historical and contemporary examples abound. The interments of WW2 held up in court. The sedition laws of WW1 and rabid censorship of US mail was never prosecuted. They were withdrawn not overturned. (IIRC)

Nobody from CIA has ever gone to jail for lying to the President, Congress or the rest of us. The Patriot Act sunset clause is proving to be a lie. “Homeland Security”. Just the name tells you everything you need to know about how wrong it is to even exist in it’s present form, and what a boondoggle most of that money has been. FISA has made a thin near fiction of probable cause.

So, someone, anyone show me where the law has acted is if any of this is as illegal as many say.

249 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 3:55:09pm

re: #245 TedStriker

So, in reality, Jack Bauer would have ended up labeled as a violent thug and a failure at his job.

I have no animus towards Kiefer Sutherland, but 24, IMO, was a huge factor in shaping public indifference (and, to some extent, acceptance) of torture of terrorist suspects by our government during W’s administration.

Too bad this report couldn’t have happened ten years ago…

I never watched “24” for that very reason.

250 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 3:55:29pm

Totally serious, denying that you shit on the floor is absolutely what someone who shit on the floor would do. No non floor-shitter would even think to dignify that kind of accusation with a response.

251 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 3:56:51pm

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

The CYA was done during the Bush years. They made sure nothing would ever be done to the perps of their horrific crimes.

Please. Crimes are crimes. A competent and honest AG would find a way to prosecute obvious, acknowledged crimes.

252 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 3:58:23pm

re: #248 Rightwingconspirator

Yoo is of Korean descent. Clerked for Clarence Thomas, so that should tell you something.

253 Kid A  Dec 9, 2014 3:59:36pm
254 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 4:01:00pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Totally serious, denying that you shit on the floor is absolutely what someone who shit on the floor would do. No non floor-shitter would even think to dignify that kind of accusation with a response.

Notice that he wasn’t asked if he shit on the floor, he brought it up on his own to the reporter writing this story. He directly addressed the accusation to a third party that never asked about it.

That’s exactly the kind of thing that a floor shitter would do.

255 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 4:04:36pm
256 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 4:05:54pm

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

I guess we’ve learned who Number 2 works for.

257 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 4:06:15pm

re: #251 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

re: #252 Justanotherhuman

Who he clerked with? Okay who has stepped up and said the language in executive powers is not what he says it is? Remember how flummoxed Jon Stewart was facing him?

if the law is so clear as is alleged today then charges can be filed with or without Obamas permission. The Hague, the AG, even Congress. So,… where is it? Not gonna happen. This reminds me of police violence. Part of the problem is the legal language of use of force is too damn broad, too easily abused. Court cases show this clear as a bell, as clear as a lack of indictment and for similar reasons.

Inconvenient but very real possibility-What if the real problem really is the nearly unlimited span of the language on the constitution about executive powers? After all if we get attacked like that again, thousands dead and burning, more thought to come-do we have any reason at all to think we will not over react again? I don’t see it. Not at all. That happens again and somebody might get it even worse than Iraq or Afghanistan.

258 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:06:59pm

re: #256 lawhawk

Strangely topical.

Youtube Video

259 Kid A  Dec 9, 2014 4:08:35pm

Today I learned that you are better off coming out of the closet as gay in Texas than you are coming out of the closet as an atheist. Just don’t do it.

260 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:11:29pm

re: #259 Kid A

Today I learned that you are better off coming out of the closet as gay in Texas than you are coming out of the closet as an atheist. Just don’t do it.

Do tell.

261 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:12:06pm

Jesus Handlebar Christ, the LA Times website is useless. Tried to find some photos, info about the absolutely huge fire last night in downtown LA and had to scroll four screens down to find the first damned story about it.

Edit: Here’s the story, with some pretty gruesome photos in the slideshow (no gore or anything, just fire wreckage).

Which reminds me: a friend of mine’s parents house was destroyed by fire over the weekend. All the humans survived, but two cats and two dogs didn’t make it out. The culprit: a space heater. Stay safe this winter lizards.

262 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:12:43pm

re: #259 Kid A

Today I learned that you are better off coming out of the closet as gay in Texas than you are coming out of the closet as an atheist. Just don’t do it.

I’d wager there are large swaths of the country where that is true, sadly.

263 Kid A  Dec 9, 2014 4:13:18pm

re: #260 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I “let it slip” when discussing Christmas with some friends that what do I care, I don’t believe in any of it. They looked at me like I was from Mars.

264 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:14:42pm

re: #263 Kid A

But hopefully nobody turned violent or something.

265 Kid A  Dec 9, 2014 4:15:42pm

re: #264 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

No, nothing like that at all. But I won’t be invited to any parties again. Trust me, I don’t care.

266 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 4:16:24pm

re: #248 Rightwingconspirator

Judging by events John Yoo is correct in the legal and political senses. Much of this goes back to his grandfathers days.

Why should I think Yoo was correct if morally bankrupt? History and contemporary examples abound. The interments of WW2 held up in court. The sedition laws of WW1 and rabid censorship of US mail was never prosecuted. They were withdrawn not overturned. (IIRC)

Nobody from CIA has ever gone to jail for lying to the President, Congress or the rest of us. The Patriot Act sunset clause is proving to be a lie. “Homeland Security”. Just the name tells you everything you need to know about how wrong it is to even exist in it’s present form, and what a boondoggle most of that money has been. FISA has made a thin near fiction of probable cause.

So, someone, anyone show me where the law has acted is if any of this is as illegal as many say.

Sorry for the Godwin…but sometimes history can explain a recent action.

I tried to find it, but haven’t had any success, but I remember something I read from Simon Wiesenthal the Holocaust survivor and later Nazi hunter.

It was a statement about how there were always legal laws written and interpreted that made everything the Nazis did legal in their eyes.

He went on to say that Hitler should never be considered as a lone wolf and caused all that destruction singularly. It took scholars and lawyers and politicians to go along with it all, to write the laws and to implement them.

Laws are pieces of paper with some words on them. Morals are a lot deeper and much harder to manipulate. So, you can be legal, but not always moral.

Why just look at Ferguson, Staten Island and Cleveland.

267 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:17:36pm

re: #265 Kid A

No, nothing like that at all. But I won’t be invited to any parties again. Trust me, I don’t care.

I know I wouldn’t want to party with bigots and assholes.

268 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 4:21:33pm

I’ve always been hesitant to support the idea that Bush administration officials and maybe Bush himself should face war crimes charges for torturing prisoners. But after reading the torture report I’m reconsidering.

269 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 4:22:52pm

re: #257 Rightwingconspirator

Jack Goldsmith, head of the Office of Legal Counsel, was forced to resign because of his objections to what was proposed.

That’s when Ashcroft stepped in and gave the go-ahead, and someone who agreed with his opinion was hired as the head of OLC.

It was never really debated in the WH—it was just approved and done and dissenters were fired or silenced, and those responsible were given iron-clad safety, for the most part, but IMHO, both Yoo and Bybee, authors of the standards for interrogation techniques, stretched executive authority, regardless of the various legal opinions of what was authorized.

On taking office, Pres Obama repudiated the “torture memos”.

270 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:23:27pm

re: #266 ObserverArt

It was a statement about how there were always legal laws written and interpreted that made everything the Nazis did legal in their eyes.

Führer’s orders were laws, even without having a form of laws. The post-war West German justice unfortunately went the Yoo-way and prosecuted mostly those who only strayed from the official orders, while the orders themselves were seen as a legal excuse.

271 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 4:24:07pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

I’ve always been hesitant to support the idea that Bush administraion officials and maybe Bush himself should face war crimes charges for torturing prisoners. But after reading the torture report I’m reconsidering.

Can you imagine the deep conservative butt hurt that would cause???

But no, the GOP will need to go after the real criminal…Obama.

272 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:26:22pm

re: #269 Justanotherhuman

That’s when Ashcroft stepped in and gave the go-ahead, and someone who agreed with his opinion was hired as the head of OLC.

I thought Ashcroft refused to sign off on torture (including people visiting him in the hospital). Or was that some other Bush Admin. bullshit?

273 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:27:02pm

For the military and aviation inclined:
Hear the terrifying sound of the A-10 tank killer’s gun in an attack run

274 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 4:28:36pm

re: #265 Kid A

It’s OK. I’m an atheist who likes to celebrate. I got my Saturnalia tree tonight and will be decorating it tomorrow. : )

I love the smell of greenery in the morning.

275 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:30:00pm

One of the virtues of the Nuremberg tribunal - which some consider one of its vices - was basically doing away with the Gordian knot of legal technicalities, such as “ex post facto” principle, national laws, etc. It was more or less a morality-based tribunal. Sure, this sword can cut both ways. But it was certainly satisfying.

276 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 4:31:52pm

re: #272 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I thought Ashcroft refused to sign off on torture (including people visiting him in the hospital). Or was that some other Bush Admin. bullshit?

“The Senate Intelligence Committee report on C.I.A. interrogations adds new details about Bush administration policy and legal deliberations, including a debate that led to a one-paragraph “torture memo” by then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004.

“The original program was authorized in a series of memorandums by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel in 2002, written by John Yoo, and brought into question by Jack Goldsmith, when he took over the office in 2003.

“In May 2004, after Mr. Goldsmith told the C.I.A. that its “enhanced interrogation techniques” might not be legal, the agency suspended its use of them, and Condoleezza Rice, who was then President Bush’s national security adviser, said that the Justice Department needed to produce a new memo about their legality.” More

news.blogs.nytimes.com

277 darthstar  Dec 9, 2014 4:33:42pm

So has Chucky released pictures of the real people behind the CIA pseudonyms of pseudonyms yet? He’s a journalist, you know.

278 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:33:55pm

These bullshit memos are the “I had my orders” defense and should be treated accordingly.

279 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 4:33:58pm

re: #272 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

You remember correctly.

washingtonpost.com

280 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 4:34:08pm

re: #259 Kid A

Today I learned that you are better off coming out of the closet as gay in Texas than you are coming out of the closet as an atheist. Just don’t do it.

I retired - though I had tenure - at age 55 from a Tx state U. You may fill in details as you wish.

281 darthstar  Dec 9, 2014 4:34:27pm
282 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 4:36:20pm
283 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 4:36:48pm

re: #267 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I know I wouldn’t want to party with bigots and assholes.

Like drinking alone, do ya?

(Dem confab bombed—unannounced holiday break.)

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 4:37:10pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

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285 darthstar  Dec 9, 2014 4:37:52pm
286 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:38:07pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

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You mean, Chuck C. Johnson didn’t shit on the floor that one time?
We deserve the truth!

287 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 4:38:45pm

He found a lawyer on The Internets who will represent him pro bono?

288 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:39:07pm

re: #281 darthstar

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Oh God.

289 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 4:39:17pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s going to sue himself?

290 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:39:53pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson
From the Deadspin article:

There’s some good shit in here! I emailed Johnson about it, and he confirmed that he jammed the above jam. We then went on to trade snarky pleasantries. He told this site not to do him like Cory Gardner; I asked him if he ever played football. “Oh and do please tell Nick Denton I said hi,” he directed; “I’m working from home,” I replied, regretfully.

291 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 4:41:16pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

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Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Can I volunteer for jury duty?

292 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 4:41:27pm

I will repeat what I posted on Twitter about this alleged defecation by Chuckles.

293 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 4:41:50pm
294 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 4:41:54pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

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So how many libel suits does UpChuck now have active? Must be a couple of dozen or so, at least.

I wonder how begging Chuck comes up with the retainers.

295 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 4:42:06pm

Chuck C Johnson, the Shitter on Twitter

296 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 4:42:42pm

re: #291 b.d.

Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

Can I volunteer for jury duty?

Had a naive then-young friend who actually did that, in Mississippi. She remembers the reaction to this day.

297 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 4:42:52pm

Hey man, we’re just asking questions here. And it would irresponsible not to ask.

298 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:42:57pm

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

He found a lawyer on The Internets who will represent him pro bono?

UpChuck’s attorney
299 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 4:43:26pm
300 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 4:44:09pm

Tell it.

30m
President Obama tells Telemundo the Senate CIA report shows the agency rushed to respond to Sept. 11 attacks with ‘brutal’ tactics that lacked ‘forethought to what the ramifications might be’ - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

More: President Obama says there was ‘no perfect time’ to make the Senate report on CIA interrogations public; says he’s concerned of possible backlash overseas but ‘it was important for us to release this so we can account for it’ - @NBCNews
end of alert

301 Belafon  Dec 9, 2014 4:44:14pm

This is what has to be done to Chuck, over and over. Make everyone laugh at him.

302 darthstar  Dec 9, 2014 4:44:43pm

Dude shits on the floor?

303 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 4:44:49pm

Does Chuck’s floor poo have his own twitter account yet?

304 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 4:44:50pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Ah, he’s suing again.

Interesting/laughable that with all the publicity and notoriety the assclown has received today, the most retweets he’s had on any tweet in the past 12 hours was one with a photo of Leonardo

and one where he said that his one rule for dealing with media requests was that they use the name he’s been screaming (which, if I recall correctly, most of them have not done.)

305 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 4:45:18pm

re: #286 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

You mean, Chuck C. Johnson didn’t shit on the floor that one time?
We deserve the truth!

It was only a joke, trapping the libtards, part of The Plan.

306 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 4:46:06pm

Interesting. The poop plot thickens.

307 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 4:46:51pm

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

He found a lawyer on The Internets who will represent him pro bono?

Make that “lawyers”, since they need to be licensed to practice in all the states UpChuck files suit. At least here in California he can get ace Civil Rights attorney Orly Taitz for free, since she knows it’s harder to be disbarred when you don’t have any paying clients.

308 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:47:31pm

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

Hey man, we’re just asking questions here. And it would irresponsible not to ask.

What kind of questions, esteemed Sir? Such as whether or not one Chaz. C. Johnson once dropped his offspring off at a cement pool?

309 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 4:47:53pm

It’s a good think that he didn’t pee on the carpet however. That carpet really pulled the room together.

RBS

310 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:48:14pm

re: #298 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Saul & Yoo

311 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 4:48:29pm

What happened to the just announced cease fire?

Editor’s note: We’re following multiple reports of an explosion in Odessa, Ukraine. We’re watching for more information. - Jillian
end of note

Same as it ever was.

312 darthstar  Dec 9, 2014 4:48:43pm
313 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 4:48:57pm

A textbook, scatological example of the Streisand Effect. Couldn’t happen to a nicer floorshitter.

314 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 4:49:57pm

I’ll sue for Defecation Defamation of Character!!!

315 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 4:50:46pm

re: #307 Skip Intro

Make that “lawyers”, since they need to be licensed to practice in all the states UpChuck files suit. At least here in California he can get ace Civil Rights attorney Orly Taitz for free, since she knows it’s harder to be disbarred when you don’t have any paying clients.

And Chuck and Orly are already birther buddies.

316 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:51:11pm

UpChuck really doesn’t understand how defamation law works, which is not surprising. He’s a de facto public figure now, so he has a higher threshold to prove defamation. And Nick Denton’s lawyers probably spit out libel suits for breakfast.

317 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 4:51:36pm
318 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 4:51:39pm

I love the “l’ll sue you” threat. Oh to be a fly on the wall of that deposition.

319 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 4:51:55pm

Can’t wait for Chuck’s new book:

Why Stoolidge Matters

320 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 4:52:23pm
321 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 4:53:30pm

Good to see Chuckums getting the respect and reputation he deserves. He’s earned it.

322 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:53:34pm

re: #311 Justanotherhuman

What happened to the just announced cease fire?

Editor’s note: We’re following multiple reports of an explosion in Odessa, Ukraine. We’re watching for more information. - Jillian
end of note

Same as it ever was.

Odessa is not anywhere near the battle zone.

323 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 4:54:14pm

re: #318 goddamnedfrank

I love the “l’ll sue you” threat. Oh to be a fly on the wall of that deposition.

IANAL (but I’ve studied media law quite a bit), but doesn’t that kind of case open him up to discovery? The skeletons in his closet …

324 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 4:55:26pm

re: #318 goddamnedfrank

I love the “l’ll sue you” threat. Oh to be a fly on the wall of that deposition.

“I did not have scatological relations with that floor.”

325 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 4:55:28pm

re: #319 b.d.

Can’t wait for Chuck’s new book:

Why Stoolidge Matters

It’s probably justifiable to ride his lame ass as long as he is a real threat to civility. As soon as CCJ is rendered harmless, we need to back off. The sadass is eventually going to eat his Glock, and it’s better to have some distance from that.

326 garzooma  Dec 9, 2014 4:56:06pm

Here’s an interesting tidbit pointed out on Andrew Sullivan’s blog: Ronald Reagan’s signing statement for the Convention Against Torture and Inhuman Treatment or Punishment:

The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

Regarding possible prosecutions:

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called “universal jurisdiction.” Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.

The US might not be interested in its obligations under this treaty. But if I were Cheney, I wouldn’t bother renewing my passport.

327 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 4:56:43pm

Chuck is a shoo-in for this year’s Poolitzer Prize

328 darthstar  Dec 9, 2014 4:57:18pm

I wasn’t planning on reading the CIA torture report but I did see a tweet that mentioned “rectal rehydration”…and I think I’ve read enough.

329 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 4:58:24pm

re: #321 allegro

Good to see Chuckums getting the respect and reputation he deserves. He’s earned it.

What’s even better is seeing how hard he’s working to keep the story alive.

330 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 4:59:50pm

Chuck is going off.

331 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:00:11pm
Click to Reveal

Did Charles C. Johnson rectally rehydrate the floor once?

332 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 5:01:14pm

He’d also be open to an anti-SLAPP action, which means he’s on the hook for the entire cost of Denton’s defense if he loses. The poop incident has some basis external to Denton’s story, and Chuck is the one who brought it up. He wasn’t questioned about it, he chose to address it out of the blue. He can’t threaten his way out of this.

333 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:01:18pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

please correct your bullshit story against me about shitting on the floor, you insufferable loser.

“What is impotent rage, Alex?”

334 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:02:01pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

Chuck is going off.

[Embedded content]

Go Chuck Go! Keep the dream alive!

I’ll bet even his wife asks him about this tonight.

335 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:02:15pm

re: #322 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Odessa is not anywhere near the battle zone.

Yes, but something’s going on. And the separatists want Odessa.

336 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:02:31pm

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

He’d also be open to an anti-SLAPP action, which means he’s on the hook for the entire cost of Denton’s defense if he loses. The poop incident has some basis external to Denton’s story, and Chuck is the one who brought it up. He wasn’t questioned about it, he chose to address it out of the blue. He can’t threaten his way out of this.

Not only that, the reporter - I’m sure - has the entire e-mail exchange in his mail program.

337 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 5:02:31pm

re: #333 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“What is impotent rage, Alex?”

What, not only does he shit on the floor, he can’t get it up either?

RBS

338 ipsos  Dec 9, 2014 5:02:34pm

How obnoxious would an anti-Chuck tweet have to be for him not to retweet it just because it mentions him?

Asking for a friend.

339 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 5:03:40pm

re: #338 ipsos

How obnoxious would an anti-Chuck tweet have to be for him not to retweet it just because it mentions him?

Asking for a friend.

Dunno, but he’s leading into the world of small animals and powertools.

340 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 5:03:45pm
341 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:03:45pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

Chuck is going off.

[Embedded content]

So, is he admitting everything he writes is made-up, or just that?

342 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:03:47pm

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

Yes, but something’s going on. And the separatists want Odessa.

An army volunteer center was blown up. Nothing much, all things considered.

343 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:04:08pm

Remember back in the old days when Mickey Kaus was allegedly fucking goats?

Good times.

I think UpChuck is now discovering that being the designated douchenozzle of the Internet isn’t such a great business plan.

344 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 5:04:26pm

Crisis management isn’t Chuck’s strong suit.

345 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:04:53pm

re: #342 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Good to know.

346 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:05:02pm
347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 5:05:06pm

CCJ tweeted it a second time and the comment responses just keep getting better.

348 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:05:25pm
349 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:05:36pm

re: #344 b.d.

Crisis management isn’t Chuck’s strong suit.

It never is with the rage-aholics.

350 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 5:05:55pm

re: #301 Belafon

This is what has to be done to Chuck, over and over. Make everyone laugh at him.

Truth. The floor-shitting story is the first time I’ve seen something get under his skin.

He could care less what people think of his ‘journalism’ as long as they’re talking about it. But make him the story, especially mocking him, and he won’t be able to handle it.

351 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:06:11pm

re: #338 ipsos

I’m surprised someone with a 158 I.Q. doesn’t understand that people are only asking questions, you know, exactly what UpChuck does every single day.

I can save UpChuck some of his much needed money by telling him right now YOU HAVE NO CASE.

That will be $100 please, or I’ll sue.

352 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:06:15pm

re: #344 b.d.

Crisis management Reality/Reading Comprehension isn’t Chuck’s strong suit.

353 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 5:06:45pm

re: #344 b.d.

Crisis management isn’t Chuck’s strong suit.

354 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:07:07pm
355 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:07:32pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

That pic always looked like he was squatting taking a dump at the time.

356 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 5:08:17pm

You know what, I don’t believe Chuck shit on the floor. He’s more likely to shit in the bed.

357 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:08:21pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

They’re just asking the questions that have to be asked, UpChuck.

358 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 5:08:36pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

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359 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:08:43pm

Oh what a journey from a hard-hitting journalist to a floor-shitting loser, esp. considering that he’s never been a hard-hitting journalist in the first place!

360 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:08:55pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

So shoe-string ranting is now considered “journalism”?

Just how small is that allowance his wife gives him?

361 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 5:09:12pm

Truly, epic level Streisand Effect. So beautiful.

362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:09:14pm

On a lighter note, and related to last night’s Hour of Code discussion:
What If Programming Languages Were Superheros

PHP Language(Joker)

Some minds are so twisted, so mangled they were never meant to be understood. Peering into PHP code, is looking directly into the abyss. But once you stare into the darkness that is PHP, the darkness stares back at you. Some say mixing all concerns (view, logic, mode) all in one place is madness, but maybe PHP is just ahead of the curve?

363 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:09:25pm

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

You know what, I don’t believe Chuck shit on the floor. He’s more likely to shit in the bed.

Good think his wife can keep him supplied with Depends when she leaves work at CVS each day.

364 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 5:09:26pm

re: #312 darthstar

You mean like docket/case numbers? Filed in state or federal court? Anything.

But you’re right, it’s so much better for Chuck to fling poo about how he’s going to call his lawyers on people who call him out for his BS.

365 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 5:11:03pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

I’ve always been hesitant to support the idea that Bush administration officials and maybe Bush himself should face war crimes charges for torturing prisoners. But after reading the torture report I’m reconsidering.

Question-
Unless Pelosi is lying or somehow mistaken about Bush being lied to about the torture, how could he be prosecuted for crimes he did not know were happening? So much is still murky as hell.

366 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 5:11:36pm

Too funny. It appears Chucky C has unleashed a whole new slew of interest in becoming internet oppo researchers. Problem is, they are now out to trash him.

367 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:11:40pm

Go fuck yourself, Hayden.

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden on Senate report: ‘if everyone on the planet used CIA behavior as the model, the overall treatment of detainees on earth would actually improve’ - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

368 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:12:30pm
369 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:12:56pm

Whoa now.

370 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 5:13:04pm

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

Go fuck yourself, Hayden.

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden on Senate report: ‘if everyone on the planet used CIA behavior as the model, the overall treatment of detainees on earth would actually improve’ - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

Because we love to measure ourselves against third-world cattleprod artists.

371 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:13:13pm

re: #319 b.d.

Can’t wait for Chuck’s new book:

Why Stoolidge Matters

Somebody needs to Tweet that to him. I’d love to see his response.

372 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 5:13:35pm

re: #350 makeitstop

Truth. The floor-shitting story is the first time I’ve seen something get under his skin.

He could care less what people think of his ‘journalism’ as long as they’re talking about it. But make him the story, especially mocking him, and he won’t be able to handle it.

It was his best day, turned into his worst day.

373 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 5:13:56pm

BWAHAHAHAA==>

374 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:13:59pm

re: #371 Skip Intro

Somebody needs to Tweet that to him. I’d love to see his response.

Or, “What Color is Your Poop?”

375 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 5:14:11pm

re: #371 Skip Intro

Somebody needs to Tweet that to him. I’d love to see his response.

I picked a fine time to quit Twitter yesterday, I ain’t going back.

376 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 5:14:16pm

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

You know what, I don’t believe Chuck shit on the floor. He’s more likely to shit in the bed.

He shits all over the Internet. He flings poo better than Howler monkeys. So, floor, bed, who cares. It’s probably a bed pan - /

377 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2014 5:14:48pm

The bar for libel is pretty high in this country, for good reason. ChuckC doesn’t have anything that would get remotely close under any set of circumstances.
ANY journalist, even a drunken hack at some two bit tabloid*, would know more about the subject than he seems to.

*I was never drunk when I worked at Weekly World News. In fact, you have to have more than the usual knowledge of libel when you are in the business of fabricating reporting woo-woo sensationalism. You have to make sure, for example, that the guy who found the sasquatch family living next door to his trailer does not in fact resemble some real person who has the same name.

378 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 5:15:17pm

re: #334 Skip Intro

Go Chuck Go! Keep the dream alive!

I’ll bet even his wife asks him about this tonight.

If he bothers to let her out of the pit tonight…

///

379 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:15:17pm

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

Go fuck yourself, Hayden.

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden on Senate report: ‘if everyone on the planet used CIA behavior as the model, the overall treatment of detainees on earth would actually improve’ - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

Given the world we’re living in, something like that could be said even about the FSB methods. Which only underscores Hayden’s absurdity.

380 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 5:15:28pm

re: #319 b.d.

Can’t wait for Chuck’s new book:

Why Stoolidge Matters

Hehehe. That is gold.

Hey, just another turd headed to congress*!

(*Reference to his tweets where he talked of running for congress someday)

381 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 5:15:43pm

MOAST GAMY BUTTOCKS ON TEH INTERNETS!!!!

382 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:16:15pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

The furry manboy made a funny.

383 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:16:17pm
384 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:17:12pm

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

Hey, what happened to the lawsuit? Sounds like UpChuck has decided to do the only think he knows how; smear, smear, smear.

Too late, Poopcakes.

385 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2014 5:17:33pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

They’re just asking the questions that have to be asked, UpChuck.

Was ChuckC Johnson the leader and high priest of a disgusting coprophiliac cult? Was his dorm room sanitized with sulfuric acid and thermite on the orders of the California Health Department? Inquiring minds want to know!

386 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 5:17:46pm
387 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:18:16pm

Charles C Johnson, the shit stain of the Internet.

388 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:18:28pm

re: #377 Shiplord Kirel

You worked for WWN?

389 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:18:52pm

re: #383 Charles Johnson

This is what billionaire investors look for in an investment opportunity.

390 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 5:19:39pm

re: #389 Skip Intro

Well, it’s how Pierre landed Glenn. /

391 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2014 5:19:56pm

re: #388 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

You worked for WWN?

I did.

392 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:19:56pm

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

Dear queers of NYC, I’m interested in publishing anything you have on Nick Denton. I’ll pay cash.

I really don’t think UpChuck wants to go after Denton. Gawker raised 100,000 to pay for video of Rob Ford smoking crack. Deadspin exposed Manti T’eo (sp?)’s fake girlfriend and a lot of shit that went down at ESPN.

They don’t fuck around.

393 makeitstop  Dec 9, 2014 5:20:03pm

re: #384 Skip Intro

Hey, what happened to the lawsuit? Sounds like UpChuck has decided to do the only think he knows how; smear, smear, smear.

Too late, Poopcakes.

He’s flailing.

Gawker’s been killing him all day. I can’t wait to see what they do to him tomorrow.

394 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 5:20:34pm

re: #389 Skip Intro

This is what billionaire investors look for in an investment opportunity.

That massive begging email our Charles posted was something.

395 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:21:00pm

re: #391 Shiplord Kirel

I did.

Ha! Interesting. I bet you have tales! I had an acquaintance who once worked for National Enquirer. He was an asshole, though, so I thought he must have been perfect for the job.

396 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 5:21:21pm

re: #393 makeitstop

He’s flailing.

Gawker’s been killing him all day. I can’t wait to see what they do to him tomorrow.

Tomorrow they will hollow him out and use him as a prophylactic.

397 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 5:21:44pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Tomorrow they will hollow him out and use him as a prophylactic.

Omg lol.

398 dog philosopher  Dec 9, 2014 5:22:00pm

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

On a lighter note, and related to last night’s Hour of Code discussion:
What If Programming Languages Were Superheros

heh

399 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 5:22:17pm

re: #269 Justanotherhuman

Jack Goldsmith, head of the Office of Legal Counsel, was forced to resign because of his objections to what was proposed.

That’s when Ashcroft stepped in and gave the go-ahead, and someone who agreed with his opinion was hired as the head of OLC.

It was never really debated in the WH—it was just approved and done and dissenters were fired or silenced, and those responsible were given iron-clad safety, for the most part, but IMHO, both Yoo and Bybee, authors of the standards for interrogation techniques, stretched executive authority, regardless of the various legal opinions of what was authorized.

On taking office, Pres Obama repudiated the “torture memos”.

Nothing short of an amendment would ensure the US not over reacting the same way again in the face of thousands of dead, burnt “Falling Man” people here again.

Falling Man
400 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:23:00pm

I can see UpChuck’s updated “About” page at goatnews tomorrow:

Featured in coverage from the Washington Post, Esquire, Slate, Gawker, and other major media outlets.

401 sagehen  Dec 9, 2014 5:24:04pm

OT: CBS is running “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer”, the 1954 Burl Ives version (with the elf that wants to be a dentist)… and they’ve completely remastered it for HD. It’s beautiful.

402 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 5:24:29pm

re: #399 Rightwingconspirator

Same justifications that Malkin’s posting on Twitter now - except that the EIT did not result in any actionable intel. It ended up with dead terrorists, bad intel, and irreparably harmed opinion of the US.

403 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:24:36pm

re: #391 Shiplord Kirel

I did.

*rusty cogs screech in cognitive dissonance* But weren’t you also active in the skeptic movement?

404 dog philosopher  Dec 9, 2014 5:24:43pm

re: #319 b.d.

Can’t wait for Chuck’s new book:

Why Stoolidge Matters

i have been reading a lot lately about how woodrow wilson ruined america by doing things that were actually done before he entered office and by republican senators and by teddy roosevelt

but woodrow wilson destroyed the presidency by being a democrat in roughly the same timeframe and if you don’t care too much about details and facts and crap like that

405 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:25:42pm
406 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 5:25:53pm
407 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 5:26:40pm

re: #397 #FergusonFireside

Omg lol.

From The Onion

408 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 5:27:19pm
409 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2014 5:27:40pm

re: #395 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Ha! Interesting. I bet you have tales! I had an acquaintance who once worked for National Enquirer. He was an asshole, though, so I thought he must have been perfect for the job.

The National Enquirer is, and was, a whole different animal. We didn’t mess around with celebrity voyeurism, color graphics, special diets (unless they involved aliens), or similar frivolity.

410 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2014 5:28:29pm

re: #403 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

*rusty cogs screech in cognitive dissonance* But weren’t you also active in the skeptic movement?

That was later (and continues to this day). No saint like a reformed sinner.

411 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 5:28:36pm

re: #405 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

There can be only one!

412 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 5:28:47pm

Welp, tonight he’s managing quite nicely to burn himself down in the process:

413 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 5:29:57pm

re: #405 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I understand that it’s going to be the main undercard to the Pacquiao - Mayweather fight.

414 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:29:58pm

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

Welp, tonight he’s managing quite nicely to burn himself down in the process:

[Embedded content]

Finally, the super-hero complex emerges…

415 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:31:47pm

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

Welp, tonight he’s managing quite nicely to burn himself down in the process:

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Tomorrow’s headlines in local newspapers: “A local crazy man burns down his house while laughing maniacally and defecating on the floor.”

416 Archangelus  Dec 9, 2014 5:32:21pm

re: #389 Skip Intro

This is what billionaire investors look for in an investment opportunity.

Said no billionaire investor ever…

417 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:33:18pm
418 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 5:34:07pm

And this day started out so well for Chuck…

419 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 5:34:31pm

re: #406 nearly-headless smith25

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Please don’t use that little girl that way. I get the temptation but just don’t.

420 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:34:54pm

More proof of our bent justice system.

Supreme Court Denies Stay Of Execution For Man With Claimed Intellectual Disability
Attorneys for Robert Wayne Holsey, on death row for killing a sheriff’s deputy, are fighting to stop his execution because they say his original trial was mishandled by a soon-to-be disbarred and imprisoned alcoholic lawyer.

buzzfeed.com

421 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 5:35:02pm

re: #405 Charles Johnson

My money’s on our Charles:

Youtube Video

422 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 5:36:19pm
423 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 5:36:49pm

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

Welp, tonight he’s managing quite nicely to burn himself down in the process:

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He’s going to flush it?

424 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:37:21pm
425 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 5:38:04pm

re: #339 Decatur Deb

Dunno, but he’s leading into the world of small animals and powertools.

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Tomorrow they will hollow him out and use him as a prophylactic.

Dang…you both got the sharpener out tonight.

426 Skip Intro  Dec 9, 2014 5:38:05pm

re: #422 Kragar

Stool stains are like blood stains; they can never be completely cleaned away. I say send in the CSI team to Poopcakes dorm.

427 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 5:41:05pm

What a good time to remember another abuse that happened after 9/11
The sudden taking into custody of so many foreign persons who were here with permission that may or may not have expired, may have been in process or was just a stupid paperwork screw up. A friend of mine was taken into temporary custody while his papers were checked. The guy had been here over a decade, Good people suddenly in peril.

428 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:42:02pm

Here’s the new budget if anyone has the stomach to read it.

US lawmakers post $1.1 trillion spending bill that would prevent government shutdown; House expected to vote this week - @ChadPergram
read more on house.gov

429 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 5:42:03pm

re: #418 b.d.

And this day started out so well for Chuck…

He was still asleep then…

430 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 5:42:34pm

re: #427 Rightwingconspirator

What a good time to remember another abuse that happened after 9/11
The sudden taking into custody of so many foreign persons who were here with permission that may or may not have expired, may have been in process or was just a stupid paperwork screw up. A friend of mine was taken into temporary custody while his papers were checked. The guy had been here over a decade, Good people suddenly in peril.

9-11 fucked us up exactly as planned.

431 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 9, 2014 5:44:00pm

Charles Johnson vs Chucky C?

You just can’t bet against the ponytail.

432 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 5:44:56pm

re: #427 Rightwingconspirator

What a good time to remember another abuse that happened after 9/11
The sudden taking into custody of so many foreign persons who were here with permission that may or may not have expired, may have been in process or was just a stupid paperwork screw up. A friend of mine was taken into temporary custody while his papers were checked. The guy had been here over a decade, Good people suddenly in peril.

Still, compare it to the West Coast treatment of Japanese-Americans in 1942. (Always playing Mary Fucking Sunshine, here.)

433 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:45:07pm

re: #430 #FergusonFireside

9-11 fucked us up exactly as planned.

We were the architects of our own descent into fear, for the most part. What happened that day was just the fuse.

434 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 5:45:40pm

From Gawker

gawker.com
Long time reader who has never commented, but I absolutely had to when I saw this article. I went to undergrad with this fool at Claremont McKenna College. He was just as despised there as he is now. He was a notorious instigator and had no friends. The college was waiting for him to graduate and leave so they wouldn’t have to deal with his ludicrous exposés. He was known to have an Asian fetish because he wanted a submissive woman. Hilariously, he graduated being best known for pooping on the (I think I’m remembering the floor right) 7th floor of Stark (a dorm). I’m sad this idiot is getting any attention at all, but I hope this guy becomes famous for the same reasons he was in college, his public pooping problems.

For posterity:

435 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:45:58pm
436 sagehen  Dec 9, 2014 5:47:38pm

re: #377 Shiplord Kirel

*I was never drunk when I worked at Weekly World News. In fact, you have to have more than the usual knowledge of libel when you are in the business of fabricating reporting woo-woo sensationalism. You have to make sure, for example, that the guy who found the sasquatch family living next door to his trailer does not in fact resemble some real person who has the same name.

I loved that paper so much. I still have one of the classic articles on my bulletin board — “Benji was gay and died of AIDS”. OMG, picking up leather-vested pitbulls, Benji was no namby-pamby poodle-fucker, oh no, he liked Rottweilers with spiky collars and there was an episode at one of the dog parks, he absolutely denied any responsibility for the injuries suffered by that pomeranian, and…

437 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:47:41pm

re: #434 Dr. Matt

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I started two years after him, so I wasn’t there since he did it as a freshman or sophomore. But the upperclassman talked about it regularly and it was an undisputed fact that he did it. Multiple people talked about it in great detail on the school’s paper/website the cmcforum.com and I bet many instances of people talking about it can be seen in the comment archives from 2008-2011. I wish I could provide more info or proof, but gawker wouldn’t have to look hard if they found someone from the same graduating class as him. The school is tiny, only 300 per class, so everyone knew each other.

438 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 5:50:06pm

re: #431 Eclectic Cyborg

Charles Johnson vs Chucky C?

You just can’t bet against the JAZZY ponytail.

FTFY

439 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:52:16pm

Never bet against a jazzy ponytail.

440 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 5:52:18pm

re: #433 Justanotherhuman

We were the architects of our own descent into fear, for the most part. What happened that day was just the fuse.

So true!
I could live with that if we were to learn to actually learn and make some real down to the marrow change. I think there is a little forgetfulness of the raw fear of the day. No criticism meant, we all try to move on and heal over time.

But I will just never forget the sinking feeling that morning. Not to justify anything we did wrong after, but just to bring it back to real. How we made those mistakes. Why we looked and still look the other way for broadening FISA changes and the P.A. becoming permanent. And traffic cameras data basing our ordinary travels whilst our police arrest and abuse us just for taking video in public of a violent arrest.

All this as Ferguson can exclude all air traffic to cover their asses. Is that such a stretch given the gear Ferguson PD brought to unarmed protests?

Yeah blame those in charge they are responsible. But it’s our collective fear that empowered them. we were the enablers.

441 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 5:53:02pm

re: #437 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Looks like upChuck is going to get taken to school on the power of crowdsourcing.

RBS

442 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:53:19pm

From 2010

webcache.googleusercontent.com

Tiger Motherf@#king Woods
Charles, Charles, Charles. Congratulations. Even though your argument is full of holes, it’s STILL the best argument on here against this act.

That being said, I cannot believe Charles C. Johnson is against illegal immigrants. After all, without illegal immigrants, who would have cleaned up the mess that fateful night, high up in Stark Hall, when Charles Johnson removed his pressed khakis, slowly squatted down, flexed his sphincter, and pooped on the 7th floor of Stark Hall?

443 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 5:53:50pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

I lived in Houston for 10 years and have seen Bob Schneider at least a dozen times. He’s truly an underrated gem. I’m always thrilled when you feature his vids on LGF.

444 #FergusonFireside  Dec 9, 2014 5:54:19pm

This is taken at Tamir Rice’s memorial/place of death.

445 austin_blue  Dec 9, 2014 5:54:55pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

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Sadly, the Saxon will close next month because the property is being redeveloped. We in the ‘04 have the sads. A lot of music venues in town are being priced out. It’s a damned shame.

446 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 5:55:10pm

re: #441 RealityBasedSteve

Looks like upChuck is going to get taken to school on the power of crowdsourcing.

RBS

That is soooo tweet-worthy!

447 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 5:56:26pm

Here is a Bob Schneider video I shot in Houston at Mucky Duck.

Youtube Video

…white people dancing is funny

448 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 9, 2014 5:56:51pm

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is soooo tweet-worthy!

Knock yourself out my dear…. I’m twitless.

RBS

449 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 5:57:06pm

re: #445 austin_blue

Sadly, the Saxon will close next month because the property is being redeveloped. We in the ‘04 have the sads. A lot of music venues in town are being priced out. It’s a damned shame.

Talk to the music venue Death By Audio, that was just pushed out of their leased space by Vice in Brooklyn.

Apparently, the guy who runs Vice is a massive asshole.

450 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 5:58:04pm

re: #445 austin_blue

Sadly, the Saxon will close next month because the property is being redeveloped. We in the ‘04 have the sads. A lot of music venues in town are being priced out. It’s a damned shame.

WHAT?!!?!? That is a friggn’ shame and a sin. I love The Saxon.

451 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 5:58:04pm
452 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 5:58:20pm
453 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 9, 2014 5:58:44pm

re: #444 #FergusonFireside

Heartbreaking.

454 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 5:59:29pm

re: #439 Charles Johnson

Never bet against a jazzy ponytail.

Ah the holidays. -Finding a way so some of us could buy gift a subscription for a fellow Lizard? Just a humble suggestion. (But I’d buy someone one if I could)

455 Justanotherhuman  Dec 9, 2014 5:59:49pm

Keep calm and carry on, Lizards!

Later. : )

456 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 5:59:53pm

Just because we’re fair and balanced.

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I have heart-breaking news, team, there was never any proof that he actually was the one who pooped on the floor. Someone did poop on the floor and just to sort of troll the Mountain King himself people started posting that he pooped. It was one of those things no one could prove or disprove. It started as a joke but has sort of morphed into apocryphal origin story. And there is a sort of poetic justice in tarring the biggest shit on campus with that fecal crime…but alas it’s not *really* true.

The Asian fetish thing, though, is spot on.

457 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 5:59:59pm

re: #448 RealityBasedSteve

Knock yourself out my dear…. I’m twitless.

RBS

458 Lancelot Link  Dec 9, 2014 6:00:16pm
459 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 6:02:20pm

1) I don’t know about Nick Denton’s sexuality
2) I don’t care about Nick Denton’s sexuality
3) Even if he was gay, there is nothing wrong with that
4) Outing some one is major taboo in the homosexual community
5) Calling people out by saying “Dear queers” isn’t going to win him any fans

460 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 6:03:53pm

re: #454 Rightwingconspirator

Looked into it last year and unfortunately there was no obvious way to do this with Paypal’s IPN system, and the system doesn’t give me enough info to put together my own gift subscription system.

But I’ll look into it again, because they might have been working on it since last time I checked.

461 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 6:04:19pm

re: #458 Lancelot Link

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I’ll be stealing that line.

462 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 6:04:19pm

The replies on this timeline are sheer Internet Gold

463 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 6:06:04pm
464 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 6:06:18pm
465 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 6:07:17pm
466 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 6:07:30pm
468 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 6:08:59pm
469 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 6:09:09pm

Later! Take it easy on Chucky C. He is already well tenderized He won’t take long on the grill.

470 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 6:13:07pm

re: #460 Charles Johnson

Looked into it last year and unfortunately there was no obvious way to do this with Paypal’s IPN system, and the system doesn’t give me enough info to put together my own gift subscription system.

But I’ll look into it again, because they might have been working on it since last time I checked.

When I subscribed, you sent me an email asking for my LGF name so you could give me the perks. Couldn’t that work the same way if I wanted to give a subscription, I could just give you that lizard’s name?

471 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 6:14:40pm
472 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 6:14:44pm
473 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 6:19:44pm

re: #471 lawhawk

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What bothers me is that he deliberately tries to do harm to people. Real harm. Real hurt. It’s indefensible.

He deserves every bit of ridicule and mocking he is getting now.

474 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 6:20:39pm
475 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 6:21:03pm

oh my.
Check the date on the tweet. There’s more on that TL…

476 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 6:22:23pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paypal’s IPN system is a pain to work with, but I’ll be looking into this to see if there’s a way.

477 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 6:23:02pm

Here’s another comment to an article on Chuck’s College website that references the floor pooping incident:

Proof that this isn’t a new allegation, but instead one that has been following him around for years.

478 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 6:23:12pm

Video

479 urbanmeemaw  Dec 9, 2014 6:24:01pm

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

Over at Balloon Juice the other day Annie Laurie posted tweet from “Billmon” who was “despairing” that Obama would try to block the Senate issuing the report. I’m sure he whined about no single payer and Obama’s inaction on gay marriage, too. Can’t wait for Annie Laurie to promote the next episode of Billmon has a Sad. Being a purity troll is HARRRRDDDDD!

480 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 9, 2014 6:26:44pm
Use the litterbox, Dammit!
481 b_sharp  Dec 9, 2014 6:26:55pm

Does the shit hit the fan after it hits the floor?

482 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 6:27:30pm

ScheißeaufdemBoden. The Germans do have a way with words…

483 austin_blue  Dec 9, 2014 6:27:36pm

re: #481 b_sharp

Does the shit hit the fan after it hits the floor?

Only if it bounces.

484 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 6:28:45pm

Wow

485 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 6:29:01pm
486 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 6:31:07pm

re: #484 Kragar

Wow

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Yep. That TL is full of graduation day payback.

487 klystron  Dec 9, 2014 6:32:34pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep. That TL is full of graduation day payback.

It appears some things never change:

488 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 6:33:10pm

re: #482 lawhawk

ScheißeaufdemBoden. The Germans do have a way with words…

It doesn’t quite work that way ;) and means shit [lying] on the floor.
If you need a floor-shitter, it’s Bodenscheißer.

489 klystron  Dec 9, 2014 6:33:12pm
490 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 6:33:38pm

re: #466 Dr. Matt

Nothing would be greater than making #floorshitter trend worldwide.

I just Googled “Charles C. Johnson floorshitter a few times.” Just. a few. Times.

491 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 6:35:03pm

re: #488 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Not my native language. So yeah :)

492 Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 9, 2014 6:36:22pm

I have a hard time believing that Chuck made it this far in life without earning an actual physical ass-kicking at some point.

I knew a couple of kids in school days who had aspects of his character. There was one kid who was hated absolutely everywhere he went (I knew him in three different schools) because he was essentially obnoxious with no social filter in either direction, and a bit ill-tempered too. I’m sure he had a diagnosable social condition and a bad home life to boot, but this was the mid-80’s when such things went completely unaddressed. Looking back on it I feel badly because he was obviously a smart kid (I first met him in a gifted students program) struggling just to exist in a crowd without inspiring loathing, but back then we didn’t know any better.

Another boy in high school was basically full of shit, always using big words in the wrong ways to sound smart… One of those Teen Conservatives who have it all figured out, but don’t have any real friends.

Thirdly, my neighbor down the street, a girl, who just didn’t get along with anybody, really, ever. I was the one person in our neighborhood who was nice to her. She CONSTANTLY lies and spins big, unverifiable tales to get attention. Not past tense, I mean even now; the last time I ran into her, a few years ago, she was spinning some yarn about how her (probably non-existent) boyfriend was in jail for bank robbery. She dropped that right onto the table a minute after saying hi to my mother and I at the restaurant where she was waitressing. She just always needed the attention.

All three of these people were on the receiving end of “physical social conditioning” more than once in my memory.

For Chuckie’s part, I know if my girlfriend, sister, or mother had been raped, and he was doxxing them, I’d employ my own journalistic skills to see if I could have a little face-to-face chat on the sidewalk in front of his house…

493 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2014 6:36:33pm

LOL

494 klystron  Dec 9, 2014 6:36:38pm
495 klystron  Dec 9, 2014 6:38:27pm

This is …consistent with things I have read elsewhere.

496 Belafon  Dec 9, 2014 6:39:01pm

re: #492 Pawn of the Oppressor

We’ve been teaching our kids not to be bullies and not to pick fights. I suspect Chuck’s an average or small person who curls in a ball at the first whiff of a threat. If he were a big person, he would have bullied a lot of people.

497 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 6:40:42pm

December 9, 2014

The pinnacle and the downfall of Chuck C Johnson’s career all in one day.

498 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 6:42:31pm

He really hasn’t changed at all. Not One Bit:

499 Dr. Matt  Dec 9, 2014 6:43:35pm

re: #497 b.d.

I’m stealing that. :)

500 Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 9, 2014 6:44:00pm

Oh gawddamn. That boy wanted to live by the sword, well the Internet has a hold of him now, and I think he’s about to die by the sword!

501 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 6:44:58pm

re: #497 b.d.

December 9, 2014

The pinnacle and the downfall of Chuck C Johnson’s career all in one day.

He’s young and fairly smart. He can still learn to shingle a roof or even to drive a cab.

502 Belafon  Dec 9, 2014 6:45:39pm

re: #501 Decatur Deb

He’s young and fairly smart. He can still learn to shingle shit on a roof or even drive a cab.

503 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 6:46:17pm

re: #493 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

Now Chuck has made the big time…he’s got fake Twitter accounts coming after him, skewering and roasting him alive.

///

504 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 6:47:34pm

re: #501 Decatur Deb

He’s young and fairly smart. He can still learn to shingle a roof or even to drive a cab.

I don’t think he can drive a car.

505 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 6:48:33pm

re: #504 b.d.

I don’t think he can drive a car.

If he does, he could be a hack driving a hack.

506 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 6:50:07pm

re: #501 Decatur Deb

He’s young and fairly smart. He can still learn to shingle a roof or even drive a cab.

His fares would all bail after one block of him telling them how smart he is.

507 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 6:50:35pm

re: #504 b.d.

I don’t think he can drive a car.

He learned in his 20s. it’s in the Furby’s Saga.

508 b.d.  Dec 9, 2014 6:50:40pm

re: #505 TedStriker

If he does, he could be a hack driving a hack.

Can you imagine Chuck as your Uber driver?

509 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 6:51:10pm

That UpChuck Twitter account from his Claremont days, holy moly.

510 Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2014 6:51:15pm

re: #506 Higgs Boson’s Mate

His fares would all bail after one block of him telling them how smart he is.

Preventing that is part of the learning.

511 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 6:52:28pm

I like this one in the Gawker thread:

Saturn Nuts -> J.K. Trotter
Today 11:33am

He looks like Danny Bonaduce’s taint.

512 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 6:53:16pm

re: #509 teleskiguy

That UpChuck Twitter account from his Claremont days, holy moly.

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They really REALLY didn’t like him…

513 Timothy Watson  Dec 9, 2014 6:57:58pm

YOU BASTARDS! (Agents of SHIELD)

Click to Reveal

THEY KILLED TRIP!

514 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 7:01:37pm

re: #513 Timothy Watson

Click to Reveal

But we got Mack back? And Skye’s now a super/mutant with powers that have yet to be identified. And there are others, and other diviners out there.

515 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:01:39pm
516 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 7:05:28pm

re: #513 Timothy Watson

YOU BASTARDS! (Agents of SHIELD)

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Its a Whedon show right? Everyone is gonna die.

517 lawhawk  Dec 9, 2014 7:07:05pm

re: #516 Kragar

Its a Whedon show right? Everyone is gonna die.

But they get better!

/see also Coulson, Agent Phil.

518 Lancelot Link  Dec 9, 2014 7:07:06pm

oops.

519 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:07:46pm

This fuckin’ guy.

This morning.

10 days ago.

520 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 7:09:04pm

Apparently CCJ used to be @Chuckwalla1022 on twitter, responding to the Claremont twitter account.

Google @Chuckwalla1022 and it all comes up as CCJ.

521 Timothy Watson  Dec 9, 2014 7:10:02pm

re: #514 lawhawk

Click to Reveal

I kinda figured that either Trip or Mack was going to get it, especially Trip, since he was only credited as a guest star despite appearing in every episode this season.

522 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:10:25pm

re: #518 Lancelot Link

That was before Brownie went on to co-host a talk-radio program with Dudebro David Sirota…

The picture is of George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence from 1997 to 2004.

523 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 7:11:34pm

re: #522 teleskiguy

The picture is of George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence from 1997 to 2004.

yep. Medal of Freedom.
*spit*

524 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 7:12:46pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep. That TL is full of graduation day payback.

Whoever put that TL together obviously knew all about Chucky’s college antics and found a really clever way to go after him.

And it obviously got under his skin, as he seemed to argue with “not chuck” pretty regularly. The “I’m transferring to Harvard” section and the “how would he have met his wife at an academic conference in Philly when she was a graduate pharmacy student” were quite intriguing.

525 Lancelot Link  Dec 9, 2014 7:14:50pm

re: #522 teleskiguy

The picture is of George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence from 1997 to 2004.

I realized that about 10 seconds after I posted, and deleted. Mea culpa.

526 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 7:15:02pm

Normally, I have a little sympathy for someone who gets piled on by the Internet.

In this case, not so much.

527 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:17:42pm

re: #525 Lancelot Link

I realized that about 10 seconds after I posted, and deleted. Mea culpa.

No worries, mate! :-D

528 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 7:18:46pm

re: #526 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Normally, I have a little sympathy for someone who gets piled on by the Internet.

In this case, not so much.

Some ask for it, Chuckums demanded it. Just getting what he always wanted.

529 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:18:50pm

It’s been over two whole hours of UpChuck not tweeting. Is something bothering him?

530 EmmaAnne  Dec 9, 2014 7:19:02pm

re: #377 Shiplord Kirel

The bar for libel is pretty high in this country, for good reason. ChuckC doesn’t have anything that would get remotely close under any set of circumstances.
ANY journalist, even a drunken hack at some two bit tabloid*, would know more about the subject than he seems to.

Best reporting on the planet.

Best reporting on the planet
531 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 7:19:35pm

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently CCJ used to be @Chuckwalla1022 on twitter, responding to the Claremont twitter account.

Google @Chuckwalla1022 and it all comes up as CCJ.

Now he’s Chewbacca666

532 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:20:23pm

re: #530 EmmaAnne

Best reporting on the planet.

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Checking the hot sheets!

533 Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 9, 2014 7:20:47pm

re: #524 BeachDem

The “I’m transferring to Harvard” section and the “how would he have met his wife at an academic conference in Philly when she was a graduate pharmacy student” were quite intriguing.

Not that anybody needs to get personal, but I still don’t believe he’s married. I just don’t.

534 TedStriker  Dec 9, 2014 7:24:19pm

re: #533 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not that anybody needs to get personal, but I still don’t believe he’s married. I just don’t.

On something like that, I’d like to give someone the benefit of of the doubt, even Ginger Cousin It. However, I’m with you; he’s lied, fabricated, and twisted so much other crap, it’s damn near impossible to take him at his word on anything.

535 freetoken  Dec 9, 2014 7:26:06pm

While running around today I turned on talk radio a couple of times, and sure enough the usual hate-mongers were twaddling on about how torture isn’t so bad and using the excuse that “they killed 3000 of us” even when confronted with the fact that non-guilty parties evidently were also subject to torture.

What an ugly industry radio has become.

536 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 7:27:04pm

re: #533 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not that anybody needs to get personal, but I still don’t believe he’s married. I just don’t.

Here’s a twicsy picture I found while googling the @Chuckwalla1022 thing.

537 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 7:27:24pm

re: #533 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not that anybody needs to get personal, but I still don’t believe he’s married. I just don’t.

One would think there would be a marriage license somewhere online.

538 retired cynic  Dec 9, 2014 7:28:45pm

re: #536 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a twicsy picture I found while googling the @Chuckwalla1022 thing.

OMG!

539 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 7:28:50pm

Blast from the past:

theatlantic.com

The phrase “Verschärfte Vernehmung” is German for “enhanced interrogation”. Other translations include “intensified interrogation” or “sharpened interrogation”. It’s a phrase that appears to have been concocted in 1937, to describe a form of torture that would leave no marks, and hence save the embarrassment pre-war Nazi officials were experiencing as their wounded torture victims ended up in court.

Stalin had his own term for enhanced interrogation - physical influence or physical pressure:

marxists.org
It has become known to the VKP CC that the secretaries of oblast and regional party committees, in checking up on employees of NKVD directorates, have laid blame on them for the use of physical pressure against those who have been arrested, treating it as something criminal. The VKP CC affirms that the use of physical pressure in the work of the NKVD has been permitted since 1937 in accordance with a resolution of the VKP CC. This directive indicated that physical pressure was to be used in exceptional cases and only against blatant enemies of the people who, when interrogated by humane methods, defiantly refuse to turn over the names of co-conspirators, and who refuse for months on end to provide any evidence, and who try to thwart the unmasking of co-conspirators who are still at large, and who thereby continue even from prison to wage a struggle against the Soviet regime. Experience has shown that such an arrangement has produced good results and has greatly expedited the unmasking of enemies of the people. True, subsequently in practice the method of physical pressure was abused by Zakovsky, Litvin, Uspensky, and other scoundrels, converting it from an exception into a rule and beginning to apply it against honest people who had been arrested accidentally. For these abuses, they [the scoundrels] have been given due punishment. But this in no way detracts from the value of the method itself when it is properly used. It is known that all bourgeois secret services use physical pressure against representatives of the socialist proletariat and rely on especially savage methods of it. We might therefore ask why a socialist secret service should be any more more humane in relation to inveterate agent of the bourgeoisie and sworn enemies of the working class and collectivized farmers. The VKP CC believes that the use of physical pressure must absolutely be continued from here on in exceptional cases and against blatant and invidious enemies of the people, and that this is a perfectly appropriate and desirable method. The VKP CC demands that the secretaries of oblast and regional party committees and the CCs of national party committees bear in mind this explanation when they check up on the employees of NKVD directorates.

Secretary of the VKP CC
J. Stalin
10.1.1939

540 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 7:30:35pm

re: #533 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not that anybody needs to get personal, but I still don’t believe he’s married. I just don’t.

541 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 7:31:25pm

re: #538 retired cynic

OMG!

pretty much my reaction, too.

542 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 7:31:26pm

re: #534 TedStriker

On something like that, I’d like to give someone the benefit of of the doubt, even Ginger Cousin It. However, I’m with you…he’s lied, fabricated, and twisted so much other crap, it’s damn near impossible to take him at his word on anything.

Oh, I believe he’s married. Comments by people at the DailyCaller and other places commented about it when he and his wife moved to Fresno.

And I’ve seen her maiden name various places (not going to post it—I’ll leave her out of it) and I think it’s all real.

Now, whether he met her at an academic conference in Philly (remember, he was a history major and she was a pharmacy grad student at a different college) is questionable.

543 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:32:37pm

Great Men In Black quote.

Kay: This is gonna replace CD’s soon; guess I’ll have to buy the White Album again… Ah…
[diverting attention elsewhere]
Kay: That is a lot of fun. It’s a universal translator. We’re not even supposed to have it, and I’ll tell you why… Human thought is so primitive it’s looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn’t it? huh?

544 EmmaAnne  Dec 9, 2014 7:34:40pm

re: #473 allegro

What bothers me is that he deliberately tries to do harm to people. Real harm. Real hurt. It’s indefensible.

He deserves every bit of ridicule and mocking he is getting now.

I tend to be tender hearted and get embarrassed on people’s behalf. But I feel about Chuck the way I felt about Santorum - sometimes someone does so much harm so deliberately that it is truly poetic justice when they are terribly embarrassed in their turn. This person is trying to drum up a lynch mob to attack a rape victim. Have at him.

545 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 7:34:54pm

re: #529 teleskiguy

It’s been over two whole hours of UpChuck not tweeting. Is something bothering him?

He’s probably praying.
Or out having dinner and a movie…

546 goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2014 7:37:41pm

I still can’t believe that Chuck actually brought up the floor pooping thing on his own, without even being asked about it. That was an amazingly dumb thing to do. That’s not even EQ vs. IQ, it’s just common sense. He simply cannot possibly be as smart as he claims.

He didn’t want the (alleged) floor shitting incident, which he’s been dealing with for years now, to be part of the story. However the one guaranteed fucking way to make sure it became the entire goddamned story was to issue a preemptive denial. You just can’t put that kind of bizarre fucking image into someone else’s head unexpectedly and then reasonably think they are going to totally ignore it. That’s the kind of thing that when someone brings it up out of the blue you are meta-physically compelled to ponder, deeply. The more aberrant and messed up it is the more fruitless one’s attempts to think of anything else. You are held in the mental imagery’s disgusting embrace.

This was 360, double reverse psychology, totally retarded. It’s like the old climbing cliché, if you don’t want someone to look down you tell them to focus on the next hold, or look straight ahead. What you never, ever fucking say is “don’t look down,” because that’s exactly what they’re guaranteed to do next.

547 klystron  Dec 9, 2014 7:41:15pm

re: #546 goddamnedfrank

I still can’t believe that Chuck actually brought up the floor pooping thing on his own, without even being asked about it. That was an amazingly dumb thing to do. That’s not even EQ vs. IQ, it’s just common sense. He simply cannot possibly be as smart as he claims.

He didn’t want the (alleged) floor shitting incident, which he’s been dealing with for years now, to be part of the story. However the one guaranteed fucking way to make sure it became the entire goddamned story was to issue a preemptive denial. You just can’t put that kind of bizarre fucking image into someone else’s head unexpectedly and then reasonably expect them to totally ignore it. That’s the kind of thing that when someone brings it up out of the blue you are meta-physically compelled to think about. The more aberrant and messed up it is the more fruitless one’s attempts to think of anything else. You are held in the mental imagery’s disgusting embrace.

This was like double reverse psychology, totally retarded. It’s like the old climbing cliché, if you don’t want someone to look down you tell them to focus on the next hold, or look straight ahead. What you never, ever fucking say is “don’t look down,” because that’s exactly what they’re guaranteed to do next.

Someone who likes him on twitter apparently tracked down one of the blog posts where folks talked about it in the comments and has offered to put him in touch with a lawyer friend.

I really hope it’s an Updog thing.
548 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 9, 2014 7:41:46pm

Hey, I know! Upchuck should be Nugent’s press secretary - then the floorshitter can work for the pantsshitter!

549 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 7:43:46pm

I know wingnut welfare is a huge gravy train, but I can’t imagine UpChuck will be able to continue to ride the train much longer given how he’s pissing off so many conservatives as well as sane people.

550 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2014 7:44:25pm

The other day I Paged some shots from the Oceanside pier. After a few days letting myself sleep on the full set, I worked up a few for my photo blog. Some black and white, for the contrast and look. The new post.

551 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 7:45:09pm

re: #544 EmmaAnne

I tend to be tender hearted and get embarrassed on people’s behalf. But I feel about Chuck the way I felt about Santorum - sometimes someone does so much harm so deliberately that it is truly poetic justice when they are terribly embarrassed in their turn. This person is trying to drum up a lynch mob to attack a rape victim. Have at him.

I also try to give most people the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes a self-centered, overly-impressed-with-himself asshole is just a self-centered, overly-impressed-with-himself asshole, and I think that’s Chuck.

Whatever things he had to deal with and overcome, he didn’t glean a bit of humanity from them. He thinks he’s the smartest person in whatever room he’s in, and he generally tends to punch down, so in the true spirit of the season, fuck him.

552 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Dec 9, 2014 7:46:38pm

re: #546 goddamnedfrank

Reciting one’s IQ is the argument from authority fallacy for people whose vanity matches their stupidity.

IQ tests are hilarious unto themselves, since they basically test how well you take a certain kind of test. State-dependent skills and context-bounded knowledge—most of “intelligence” displayed by most people—won’t show up.

If your starting point in using your IQ (on whichever test) to suggest general competence, you have immediately shit the bed.

553 Shazam  Dec 9, 2014 7:47:45pm

Just shows the difference between liberals and conservatives. A person like Chuck would never get support from liberal journalists, but conservatives are quick to praise any shithead who takes their side.

554 Shazam  Dec 9, 2014 7:48:05pm

re: #552 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

Reciting one’s IQ is the argument from authority fallacy for people whose vanity matches their stupidity.

IQ tests are hilarious unto themselves, since they basically test how well you take a certain kind of test. State-dependent skills and context-bounded knowledge—most of “intelligence” displayed by most people—won’t show up.

If your starting point in using your IQ (on whichever test) to suggest general competence, you have immediately shit the bed.

Took an online IQ test for a laugh one time. Got 99. Damn.

555 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 7:48:25pm

re: #552 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

IQ tests do measure cognitive ability, but that’s not the only thing that makes someone “smart”, of course.

556 gwangung  Dec 9, 2014 7:49:45pm

re: #555 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

IQ tests do measure cognitive ability, but that’s not the only thing that makes someone “smart”, of course.

And I don’t think IQ tests measure all of the qualities that make up cognitive ability.

557 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 7:51:27pm

re: #545 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s probably praying.
Or out having dinner and a movie…

He’s BACK. And now posting “If,”(I guess he fancies himself as the hero of the poem), saying he’s hated because he’s effective, and begging for money.

558 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:51:29pm
559 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 7:53:08pm

Oh for fuck’s sake, he’s saying he’s Batman again.

560 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 7:55:27pm

re: #556 gwangung

Certainly. No test can be all-encompassing when it comes to something so complex as intelligence. That said, IQ tests, when done properly, measure enough to be properly called tests of intelligence. (Not to be confused with “being smart”).

561 Single-handed sailor  Dec 9, 2014 7:56:13pm

re: #556 gwangung

And I don’t think IQ tests measure all of the qualities that make up cognitive ability.

I score extremely high on those tests, but I’m the dumbest motherfucker in the room.

562 Shazam  Dec 9, 2014 7:56:40pm

re: #560 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Certainly. No test can be all-encompassing when it comes to something so complex as intelligence. That said, IQ tests, when done properly, measure enough to be properly called tests of intelligence. (Not to be confused with “being smart”).

But I doubt the one Chuck’s mom prepared for him is scientific.

563 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 7:57:05pm

re: #559 teleskiguy

Oh for fuck’s sake, he’s saying he’s Batman again.

[Embedded content]

heh….the comments…LOL!

564 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 7:57:18pm

re: #560 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Certainly. No test can be all-encompassing when it comes to something so complex as intelligence. That said, IQ tests, when done properly, measure enough to be properly called tests of intelligence. (Not to be confused with “being smart”).

As I mentioned in a thread yesterday (?), the Unabomber had a high IQ. IQ doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have empathy to go with it.

565 ObserverArt  Dec 9, 2014 7:57:35pm

Logging back in, I recently did some oppo work (with Photoshop) and was looking for images of Chucky C. I think I found (created) a new image capturing his most recent status on the internet.

It’s tough being Chuck, I tell ya’!

Charles C. Johnson, King of the Journalists on his cross

I meant to do this on purpose too. Later!

566 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 7:59:02pm

re: #565 ObserverArt

Logging back in, I recently did some oppo work (with Photoshop) and was looking for images of Chucky C. I think I found (created) a new image capturing his most recent status on the internet.

It’s tough being Chuck, I tell ya’!

Image: Charles C. Johnson, King of the Journalists on his crossI meant to do this on purpose too. Later!

Bwahahaha

How did he get on that cross? It’s tough to drive the second nail in when you’re doing it yourself.

567 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 8:00:04pm

Sure looks like the poop thing has permanently attached itself to CCJ.

Hah!

568 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 8:00:40pm
569 teleskiguy  Dec 9, 2014 8:01:01pm

re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh….the comments…LOL!

Dude!

570 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Dec 9, 2014 8:03:49pm

re: #555 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

IQ tests do measure cognitive ability, but that’s not the only thing that makes someone “smart”, of course.

Yep.

Preceding forward through testing models and people studying intelligence, and you get more and more complicated factoring of the elements of intelligence. Look at the multiple revisions of the Cattell-Horn-Carroll theory.

But the whole concept of context makes it even weirder. Your skillset in a testing environment—reasoning, comprehension, etc—is a different thing than your ability to exercise those skills elsewhere…particularly in and around things that make you emotional, or that you have “beliefs” about.

Not that any of that matters in the public discussion of IQ. IQ as deterministic magic number—see Murray, Seligman, etc—is a conservative fantasy that coincidentally retroactively justifies success.

571 ipsos  Dec 9, 2014 8:05:33pm

re: #559 teleskiguy

Oh for fuck’s sake, he’s saying he’s Batman again.

[Embedded content]

Doesn’t he need to slap a huge “GoatNews” watermark across that video?

572 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:05:39pm

A couple of links about the tests in the spoiler section.

Click to Reveal

These are two big review articles that present the scientific consensus on intelligence for respective years. The first one was written in response to the Bell Curve controversy. The second is sort of an update of the first.

573 retired cynic  Dec 9, 2014 8:05:51pm

re: #570 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

I got my start stapling tests together for Dr. Cattell’s tests. Interesting! A penny a staple, long decades ago!

574 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 8:06:12pm

re: #561 Single-handed sailor

I score extremely high on those tests, but I’m the dumbest motherfucker in the room.

I came in second, again?

575 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 9, 2014 8:10:59pm

re: #574 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I came in second, again?

I got a rock.

576 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 8:12:02pm

re: #565 ObserverArt

Not to worry, his followers will get him down. They’ll remove the nails from his hands first of course and that’s what makes them his followers.

577 retired cynic  Dec 9, 2014 8:13:10pm

re: #573 retired cynic

I got to thinking I would like to get a Masters in Statistics. Lasted less than a week!

578 retired cynic  Dec 9, 2014 8:21:42pm

Sure can kill a thread, tho!

579 retired cynic  Dec 9, 2014 8:21:42pm

Sure can kill a thread, tho!

580 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 8:21:42pm

re: #577 retired cynic

I got to thinking I would like to get a Masters in Statistics. Lasted less than a week!

Calculus, argh. Did fine with the flavors of trig, calculus classes could’ve have been delivered in Swahili for all the sense they made to me.

581 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 8:23:35pm

re: #570 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

Yep.

Preceding forward through testing models and people studying intelligence, and you get more and more complicated factoring of the elements of intelligence. Look at the multiple revisions of the Cattell-Horn-Carroll theory.

But the whole concept of context makes it even weirder. Your skillset in a testing environment—reasoning, comprehension, etc—is a different thing than your ability to exercise those skills elsewhere…particularly in and around things that make you emotional, or that you have “beliefs” about.

Not that any of that matters in the public discussion of IQ. IQ as deterministic magic number—see Murray, Seligman, etc—is a conservative fantasy that coincidentally retroactively justifies success.

Except that it doesn’t. The conservative definition of success is wealth. Having been an active member of Mensa for many years as well as having had a career in academia, I know a lot of high IQ people. Only a minutia could be considered wealthy. From my experience, the definition of success among the highest IQ has generally little to do with wealth and everything to do with life and career satisfaction. Many, perhaps most, have scattered careers reflecting a low threshhold with boredom. Interests are so varied and curiosities so tempting that they move from one thing to another without regard to long-term devotion to “success” as defined by our culture. They are driven by the opportunity to explore and learn.

582 jaunte  Dec 9, 2014 8:25:13pm

The hamsters are struggling with something.

583 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 8:26:12pm

re: #582 jaunte

The hamsters are struggling with something.

Chuck pooped on them…

584 jaunte  Dec 9, 2014 8:28:29pm

I just got in from a four day drive up to Terre Haute and back. A thing I hope never to do again. The radio stations in the alluvial heartland of the country seem to be dominated by American Family Radio.

585 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 9, 2014 8:28:44pm

Off to the hotel. BBL.

586 Kragar  Dec 9, 2014 8:31:42pm

re: #559 teleskiguy

Oh for fuck’s sake, he’s saying he’s Batman again.

[Embedded content]

587 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2014 8:31:53pm
588 Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2014 8:32:25pm

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

Welp, tonight he’s managing quite nicely to burn himself down in the process:

[Embedded content]

Demonstrating that those who claim to be conservatives are really revolutionaries.

Violent revolutionaries.

589 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 8:32:43pm

re: #584 jaunte

I just got in from a four day drive up to Terre Haute and back.

I am soon sorry. ;)

590 BeachDem  Dec 9, 2014 8:33:40pm

There he goes, calling himself “the media” again.

And that would be “have” jumped the shark, mr. IQ.

591 Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2014 8:33:45pm
592 jaunte  Dec 9, 2014 8:33:46pm

re: #589 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

It’s a little like driving from Houston to Beaumont and back 112 times.

593 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 8:35:23pm

The floor pooper Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

594 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 8:36:06pm

re: #592 jaunte

It’s a little like driving from Houston to Beaumont and back 112 times.

I grew up in Beaumont, and I approve this message.

595 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 8:37:35pm

re: #592 jaunte

It’s a little like driving from Houston to Beaumont and back 112 times.</blockquote

Beats Houston to Pt. Arthur, but not much.

596 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:38:45pm

re: #591 Charles Johnson

Is it one of those emo liberals who still can’t get over the past?

597 jaunte  Dec 9, 2014 8:39:13pm

When is the Charles C. Johnson autobiography coming out?

598 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 8:40:07pm

re: #595 allegro

Beats Houston to Pt. Arthur, but not much.

No. You have to be *going* to Pt. Arthur. I-10 goes straight through Beaumont.

599 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 9, 2014 8:40:43pm

re: #597 jaunte

When is the Charles C. Johnson autobiography coming out?

Any minute now! He’s working on it!

*plop*

There you go.

600 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 8:52:01pm

re: #598 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

No. You have to be *going* to Pt. Arthur. I-10 goes straight through Beaumont.

I know that very well. My first assignment with the US Fish & Wildlife Service had me officed in the basement of the old post office in Pt. Arthur. Beaumont was the Big City. LOL The only thing that saved my sanity was that the other basement dweller there was the Coast Guard. I was young and adorable, they were young and adorable… had some fun in that basement.

601 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 8:56:21pm

re: #600 allegro

I know that very well. My first assignment with the US Fish & Wildlife Service had me officed in the basement of the old post office in Pt. Arthur. Beaumont was the Big City. LOL The only thing that saved my sanity was that the other basement dweller there was the Coast Guard. I was young and adorable, they were young and adorable… had some fun in that basement.

Hey, at least you weren’t assigned in Anahuac. There are so many pits of hell in that part of Texas. …

602 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 9, 2014 8:56:32pm

re: #595 allegro

Kingsville to Brownsville on Hwy 77. That is all.

603 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 9, 2014 8:58:11pm

re: #602 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Kingsville to Brownsville on Hwy 77. That is all.

Fort Worth to Midland-Odessa on I-20.

604 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 9:03:18pm

re: #601 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hey, at least you weren’t assigned in Anahuac. There are so many pits of hell in that part of Texas. …

I was assigned to that area. We covered huge territories. Endangered Atwater’s Prairie Chickens… yeah, I know Anahuac. Did a lot of predator control and studies in that area.

605 allegro  Dec 9, 2014 9:07:05pm

re: #602 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Kingsville to Brownsville on Hwy 77. That is all.

re: #603 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Fort Worth to Midland-Odessa on I-20.

Both of those are great areas for wildlifers. :D

606 Romantic Heretic  Dec 10, 2014 2:33:09am

re: #539 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

True, subsequently in practice the method of physical pressure was abused by Zakovsky, Litvin, Uspensky, and other scoundrels, converting it from an exception into a rule and beginning to apply it against honest people who had been arrested accidentally. For these abuses, they [the scoundrels] have been given due punishment. But this in no way detracts from the value of the method itself when it is properly used.

Proper translation: These guys did what I directed and expected them to do Then I sacrificed them like the expendable pawns they were to deflect guilt from myself. - Josef Stalin

I’ll bet Cheney and the other neocons read Stalin and turn green with envy.

607 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 10, 2014 4:53:58am

re: #477 goddamnedfrank

On March 10, 2011, Chucky described himself not as a journalist: “Sorry to be a jerk, but it’s hard out there for a blogger. “

608 lostlakehiker  Dec 10, 2014 6:24:47pm

Joan of Arc explained it long ago. To the English inquisitors.

She is weak. She will confess anything they like. True or not. But it will be her pain speaking, not she herself.


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