The Dublin Guitar Quartet Performs Philip Glass String Quartets

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For tonight’s musical break from the insanity, I give you the music of Philip Glass, played by four perfectly in-sync classical guitarists from Dublin.

Don’t ask the members of the Dublin Guitar Quartet to play the time-honored classics of the Spanish repertoire. They might play traditional Spanish style classical guitars, but they’re not your standard guitar ensemble. The Dubliners are strictly devoted to contemporary music. They’ve been commissioning new pieces and adapting others for both acoustic and electric guitars since 2002, when the group formed at the Dublin Conservatory of Music and Drama.

Dressed more like stylish bankers than hipsters, the musicians filed behind Bob Boilen’s desk in matching suits and proceeded to make string quartet music by Philip Glass shine in a completely new way.

Whether you know the Glass quartets or not, it’s astonishing how satisfying the music sounds on four guitars. The interlocking parts are transparent and the music seems to breathe fresh air. The group’s intonation is impeccable, the rhythms crisp and precise whether they are keeping the propulsive engine chugging or lurching to a sudden new arpeggio. Watch their heads, all bobbing in unison.

In these arrangements by DGQ, the music is far more subtle than simple repetitions. Just a slight vibrato on the high notes in the third movement of the Second Quartet gives them a sweet, pearly sheen. And the slow section of Glass’ Third Quartet, tender as a lullaby, is punctuated with carefully selected notes that hang in the air like fragrances. In other spots, brash strumming summons the spirit of flamenco.

Glass’ music has been a staple for these musicians, but they also play pieces by Steve Reich, Henryk Górecki and Irish composer Donnacha Dennehy. They’ve even paired with a couple of rock bands. With eight hands and 24 strings it seems the DGQ can tackle almost anything. - TOM HUIZENGA

Set List
Glass: String Quartet No. 2, “Company,” Mvts. II & III
Glass: String Quartet No. 3, “Mishima,” Mvt. III, “1934: Grandmother & Kimitake”
Glass: String Quartet No. 3, “Mishima,” Mvt. II, “November 25: Ichigaya”
Glass: String Quartet No. 3, “Mishima,” Mvt. IV, “1962: Body Building”

Dublin Guitar Quartet
Brian Bolger
Pat Brunnock
Tomas O’Durcain
Michael O’Toole

Credits
Producers: Tom Huizenga, Maggie Starbard; Audio Engineer: Kevin Wait; Editor: Susan Hale Thomas; Videographers: Susan Hale Thomas, Nick Michael, Maggie Starbard; Assistant Producer: Claire Eggers; photo by Claire Eggers/NPR

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165 comments
1 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 13, 2014 7:52:39pm

That was good.
Here’s some unconventional Glass.

dj BC and Philip Glass - Glassbreaks - 01 Einstein On The Beach

2 De Kolta Chair  Dec 13, 2014 8:06:46pm

Very nice. Next up, The Sligo Contrapuntal Oboe Septet and Faith Healing Society perforate John Phillip Sousa’s Bling Quintets.

Mix a jug of cocktails, sit back, and get comfortable — the damn thing is nine feckin’ hours long.

Youtube Video

3 Amory Blaine  Dec 13, 2014 8:40:06pm

Touchvision has a pretty damning piece on Charles C Johnson.

BLOGGER ID’D WRONG WOMAN AS UVA RAPE VICTIM IN PHOTO

4 De Kolta Chair  Dec 13, 2014 8:49:01pm

re: #3 Amory Blaine

Touchvision has a pretty damning piece on Charles C Johnson.

Good job by Touchvision. Thanks for the link. Btw, that’s my reply to Youtube commenter Danny “Purient” Puran, using one of my nom de plumies and on my best behavior. Can’t say as why I was so polite since I’m in a frisky trollslaying mood tonight.

5 Amory Blaine  Dec 13, 2014 8:49:14pm

re: #3 Amory Blaine

I was folding laundry in the living room and in popped CCJ on my giant TV. Not pleasant.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2014 8:49:58pm

re: #3 Amory Blaine

Great. Just what he needs, more exposure.

7 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2014 8:53:33pm

I notice that CCJ still doesn’t have his own Wikipedia page.

8 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 13, 2014 8:53:36pm

Well gang, I’m going to hang it up for the evening. Remember, no matter how poorly things are going for you at the moment, you will never be CCJ, so by that criteria, you’re doing pretty well.

RBS

9 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 13, 2014 8:55:18pm

Nice. I like Glass so I’m inclined to like this but still it’s really well done.

10 De Kolta Chair  Dec 13, 2014 8:58:42pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

I notice that CCJ still doesn’t have his own Wikipedia page.

Until then (an event foretold in the Book of Revelations btw), there’s always the John Rocker page. //

11 Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 13, 2014 9:01:16pm

If I never learned anything else from hanging around LGF, I’d at least know how watching somebody play adds more to the performance than simply listening to it.

re: #1 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

My god… I’m not often at a loss for words, but… How does somebody even think of that?? Beastie Glass! Fantastic!

12 De Kolta Chair  Dec 13, 2014 9:11:10pm

re: #5 Amory Blaine

I was folding laundry in the living room and in popped CCJ on my giant TV. Not pleasant.

I can totally get behind having a giant TV screen in one’s laundry room, but how and why did CCJ poop, I mean pop, up on it?

Btw, I like to think of folding clothes as a form of origami, which is probably why all my shirts look like cranes.

13 Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 13, 2014 9:13:31pm

And re: Chuckie’s barratry… If he filed an actual suit at the federal level (this assumes the case met diversity of jurisdiction if Politico is not based in California, never mind the $75,000 damage claim requirement), his address and filings would be right up there visible clear as day to anybody with a PACER or Lexis access. He’d dox himself! That might make things… Interesting for him.

hashtag flamingpoopbag

14 De Kolta Chair  Dec 13, 2014 9:20:33pm

This page needs an illustration, imho, and who better than “Jolly” Jack Kirby at his wackiest?

15 BeachDem  Dec 13, 2014 10:37:36pm

And of course, the little twit MEANS to make all sorts of spelling and grammatical errors. It’s all part of the plan, y’all.

Uh huh.

16 teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2014 10:41:01pm

Bless our auto industry!

17 darthstar  Dec 13, 2014 10:55:09pm
18 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 13, 2014 10:55:50pm

re: #15 BeachDem

And of course, the little twit MEANS to make all sorts of spelling and grammatical errors. It’s all part of the plan, y’all.

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Uh huh.

He wants everyone to think that he’s a papal toga until he strikes.

19 darthstar  Dec 13, 2014 10:57:20pm
20 darthstar  Dec 13, 2014 10:58:01pm

re: #18 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He wants everyone to think that he’s a papal toga until he strikes.

He’s a pampered toddler?

21 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 13, 2014 11:00:59pm

That or a poplar trucker. We’ll know when he does a BRAKING relating how he shall have stricken.

22 freetoken  Dec 13, 2014 11:11:57pm

In 1958 Johnny Mathis teamed up with Percy Faith to bring this now standard bit of Christmas background music:

MP3 Audio

23 freetoken  Dec 13, 2014 11:12:59pm

Was life better 57 years ago?

Well, maybe.

For some.

Not so for others.

24 BeachDem  Dec 13, 2014 11:29:20pm

re: #21 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That or a poplar trucker. We’ll know when he does a BRAKING relating how he shall have stricken.

Or he thinks he’s a purple people eater. Mostly he’s an illiterate twit.

25 freetoken  Dec 14, 2014 12:35:37am
26 freetoken  Dec 14, 2014 1:23:15am

More as we recreate our 1950’s, Ms. Patti Page:

MP3 Audio

27 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 2:09:30am

re: #15 BeachDem

So he took her photo from Twitter - a photo which doesn’t belong to him - pooped his goatlogo on it - and yet has the gall to rant against Politico’s use of his twitter photo?

28 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 2:15:09am

Ah, dear Poopster, see, that wasn’t your run of the mill article, it was an announced BREAKING NEWS item that was gonna destroy “Jackie” once and for all, a scoop of all scoops. It’s not like it was some secondary photo in an otherwise decent article, pathetic little goat.

29 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 2:51:02am

New Amsterdam, by a friend of P. Glass:

Moondog - New Amsterdam

30 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 2:58:09am

Amazing map of Moondog’s world:

Image: MOONDOGSCORNER.jpg

31 Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2014 3:54:56am

Is it bad that the only reason I know who Philip Glass is because his “Metamorphosis One” was used on an episode of Battlestar Galactica?

32 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 3:58:28am

Gave the Geminids a few pre-dawn minutes in bad suburban light. Saw one ‘possible’.

Note: the Moondog map above has a greatly-enlargeable version with text linking the characters on the movie website. The kickstarter was successful, and the bio documentary is finished:

kickstarter.com

33 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 4:00:16am

re: #31 Timothy Watson

Is it bad that the only reason I know who Philip Glass is because his “Metamorphosis One” was used on an episode of Battlestar Galactica?

Koyaanisqatsi

en.wikipedia.org

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 14, 2014 4:07:55am

re: #31 Timothy Watson

Is it bad that the only reason I know who Philip Glass is because his “Metamorphosis One” was used on an episode of Battlestar Galactica?

My introduction to him was his Heroes Symphony - a Cycle of classical pieces based on the Bowie album. Cool stuff.

35 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 4:08:31am

Borowitz getting snarky again:

Cheney Calls for International Ban on Torture Reports

“The publication of torture reports is a crime against all of us,” he added. “Not just those of us who have tortured in the past, but every one of us who might want to torture in the future.”

newyorker.com

36 urbanmeemaw  Dec 14, 2014 4:56:51am

re: #20 darthstar

He’s a pampered toddler?

Or is that a “poopal toga” (if someone already posted this, I apologize for not scrolling through comments).

37 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 5:02:37am

re: #36 urbanmeemaw

Or is that a “poopal toga” (if someone already posted this, I apologize for not scrolling through comments).

Nope, you’re the first. But I think that a combined toga and diaper would be a good outfit for CCJ. It would focus him on his (certain to FAIL) oration, and stop him from employing his signature tactic of pooping on the floor and then flinging the poop at his adversaries.

38 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 5:29:48am

I knew about Koyaanisqatsi, but my real intro to Glass was through Candyman.

Philip Glass - Candyman - Helen’s Theme

39 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 5:32:03am

The US is out of the torture business, but ISIS is keeping the bad times rolling. The DM says they got their ideas from the Assads’ torturers, it seems. I know we sometimes call that paper the Daily FAIL, but even though it DERPS at times it still has better coverage of ISIS than most US media outlets. Here’s their list of the tortures ISIS uses:

The ghost: The hands are tied behind their back with handcuffs, which are then used to suspend their bodies in the air.

The German chair: Victims are strapped to a chair whose back is adjusted abruptly at will to cause extreme spinal damage.

The flying carpet: Victims are strapped down to a hinged board. The ends are then brought towards each other to bend the spine.

The tyre: Victims are placed inside a large tyre - rendering them immobile - before they’re mercilessly beaten

Bolding in original. Observant readers will note, as one of the commenters did, that ‘the ghost’ is essentially the same as the Strappado used by the Spanish Inquisition.

41 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 5:35:13am

re: #38 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I knew about Koyaanisqatsi, but my real intro to Glass was through Candyman.

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Video

My introduction to Candyman was Mississippi John Hurt.

candyman…….. mississippi John Hurt

42 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 5:42:06am

I hope its not too shameful to say, but I first heard Philip Glass’ name on the first Christmas episode of South Park.

43 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 14, 2014 5:45:07am

Ah,back home and not limited by my phone.

Here’s my favorite Glass piece:

Philip Glass : Piano Concerto “Tirol Concerto” Kiev National Virtuosi / Nicolas Horvath

Tirol Concerto for piano and orchestra

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 14, 2014 5:46:00am

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

I hope its not too shameful to say, but I first heard Philip Glass’ name on the first Christmas episode of South Park.

Knowledge is knowledge no matter where you learn it.

45 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 5:47:18am

re: #44 William Barnett-Lewis

Knowledge is knowledge no matter where you learn it.

Classics Illustrated served me well.

46 PhillyPretzel  Dec 14, 2014 5:58:35am

re: #44 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #45 Decatur Deb

You learn something new everyday. Education is an ongoing project.

47 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 5:58:59am
48 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 6:11:18am

re: #16 teleskiguy

Bless our auto industry!

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You make me have a sad :’(

49 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 6:12:46am

re: #16 teleskiguy

Bless our auto industry!

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Did MAD outsource that cartoon? That looks like the Cracked guy, not Alfred.

50 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 6:16:57am

Today saw this movie for the first time.

Rounders - Poker scene

51 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 6:43:45am

Jerks take retaliation for racial slurs way over the line:

(CBS) - A video posted on Facebook is generating hundreds of responses, and it shows at least two young men on a CTA Blue Line train, slapping an older man and taunting him.

WBBM’s Steve Miller has spoken with one of those young men about why he did it.

The video goes on for more than two minutes. It shows at least two young men, both African American, slapping an older man on top of his head.

And then they appear to tease him.

It’s been shared dozens of times on Facebook, but originally was posted by a young man who says he shot the video and was apparently part of the group that mistreated the older man.

WBBM emailed the young videographer, and he called back.

“We didn’t do nothing. We got on the train and he was saying some racial slurs,” he says.

It’s been over 20 years since I was taunted like that by assholes I went to high school with (they were white, to be clear), but the video of the incident still brings back some seriously bad memories. Here is the video:

chicago.cbslocal.com

52 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 6:49:53am

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

It doesn’t matter in the least what he allegedly said, it’s an assault and should be dealt with as such.

53 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 6:55:03am

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

I originally planned to post the preceding story as something I expect Jim Hoft, UpChuck, and Weird Nut Daily to blow out of proportion. I still expect those entities to do just that in order to stoke fear and racism, but the young men’s enjoyment of their misdeed made it personal for me because a long time ago I was mistreated in a similar way by white teens. To me that’s yet more proof that racism is hooey, since young men of all races are capable of behaving badly in this manner.

Moreover, the fact that I take the CTA Blue Line to work most weekdays brings home even more for me. But what I keep coming back to that bothers me most of all is my original feeling: That this minor incident will be used by haters to whip up anti-black sentiments.

54 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 14, 2014 6:56:27am

re: #24 BeachDem

Or he thinks he’s a purple people eater. Mostly he’s an illiterate twit.

One upding for Sheb Wooley reference.

55 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 6:58:19am

re: #54 BeenHereAwhile

One upding for Sheb Wooley reference.

OOOH AH, OOOH WAH WAH.

56 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 7:00:55am

re: #52 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It doesn’t matter in the least what he allegedly said, it’s an assault and should be dealt with as such.

I agree with you completely. I also hope that the Chicago Police Department handles any arrest or questioning of the young men in a completely proper manner. I normally would add that caveat, but the CPD’s history regarding black people is stormy enough I think it needed. Especially right now, this sort of incident needs to be handled by-the-book.

57 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 14, 2014 7:01:04am

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Borowitz getting snarky again:

Cheney Calls for International Ban on Torture Reports

“The publication of torture reports is a crime against all of us,” he added. “Not just those of us who have tortured in the past, but every one of us who might want to torture in the future.”

newyorker.com

Dick Cheney is a scared old man who uses bluster to cover up his cowardice.

58 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 14, 2014 7:03:06am

Greetings, one and all. I’ve been in Hong Kong these last several days, hanging out with my son who was attending a conference there. And, while I had full access to Twitter there, I was too busy to follow the latest UpChuck explosion. I only caught bits and pieces. I relish his sudden media exposure.

Also, I bought a new camera. Nikon D3300 with kit lens, bought in a little hole in the wall shop on Stanley Street for USD500. I had been considering a mirrorless model,but in the end, saving money won the debate.

So, how are y’all?

59 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 7:13:15am

I still get some long-blocked stalkers attempting to argue with me over this meme:

60 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 7:16:00am

Another one==>

61 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 7:21:54am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

He’s a moron labe, what do you want.

62 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 7:23:23am

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems to me that usually folks who have similar twitter descriptions -

Husband, dad, son, brother

- turn out to be wingnut morons.

63 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 7:24:29am

re: #62 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems to me that usually folks who have similar twitter descriptions -

- turn out to be wingnut morons.

“Christian” is always the giveaway.

64 darthstar  Dec 14, 2014 7:25:21am

Mornin’ gang.

I can’t stand Chuck Todd and I hate Dick Cheney, so I’m not watching, but apparently Cheney is taking credit for something that didn’t happen on his watch…

65 darthstar  Dec 14, 2014 7:25:56am
66 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 7:35:59am

Remember this idiot? He’s still an idiot==>

67 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 7:40:59am

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

Remember this idiot? He’s still an idiot==>

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Yup. 10,000 lightly armed yahoos ought to be able to pull it off.

68 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 7:48:50am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Yup. 10,000 lightly armed yahoos ought to be able to pull it off.

Yeah they had such a great turnout the last 6 times they tried this.

69 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 7:54:36am

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

I still get some long-blocked stalkers attempting to argue with me over this meme:

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Soviet Partisans, you can tell by their guns. Three of the visible weapons are DP machine guns, identifiable by their flat ‘pan’ magazines on top of the receiver. At least four Mosin-Nagant bolt-action rifles are also visible.

Three machine guns means this band was reasonably well armed. But those seeking to use them as an example of ‘civilian resistance despite gun control’ will find themselves thwarted by the fact that those MGs and rifles were provided to the partisans by Red Air Force air drops.

70 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 7:57:42am

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

I agree with you completely. I also hope that the Chicago Police Department handles any arrest or questioning of the young men in a completely proper manner. I normally would add that caveat, but the CPD’s history regarding black people is stormy enough I think it needed. Especially right now, this sort of incident needs to be handled by-the-book.

Soviet Partisans, you can tell by their guns. Three of the visible weapons are DP machine guns, identifiable by their flat ‘pan’ magazines on top of the receiver. At least four Mosin-Nagant bolt-action rifles are also visible.

Three machine guns means this band was reasonably well armed. But those seeking to use them as an example of ‘civilian resistance despite gun control’ will find themselves thwarted by the fact that those MGs and rifles were provided to the partisans by Red Air Force air drops.

The photo, which is from ushmm.org identifies the group as “Eastern European partisans” not members of the Red Army

71 stpaulbear  Dec 14, 2014 7:58:54am

re: #65 darthstar

This Zucker Brothers movie was too silly for it’s own good (a surf musical with Nazis), but it had some really funny jokes, plus this scene:

Top Secret! Pinto exploding scene - including “Got to hand it to the Germans” comment.

72 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 8:01:37am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

“The “Lenin” Partisan Brigade, active in the Zhetel region.”

73 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 8:02:34am

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

Remember this idiot? He’s still an idiot==>

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I’d follow him just because he wears a really cool hat.

74 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 8:03:53am

Unfortunate choice of background photo for this article==>

75 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 8:05:52am

re: #73 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’d follow him just because he wears a really cool hat.

And all his homies tell him that he looks good in black (fool)

76 Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2014 8:08:58am

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

Elauf was turned down for a job at the Tulsa, Okla., branch of the youth-oriented clothing store because her hijab didn’t conform to the company’s “look policy” of what is calls “classic East Coast collegiate style of clothing,” according to court filings citing by the Times.

Funny, I see a lot of hijabs at my local East Coast college…

77 darthstar  Dec 14, 2014 8:09:08am
78 darthstar  Dec 14, 2014 8:09:41am
79 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 14, 2014 8:09:48am

Too harsh?

Dodd-Frank Budget Fight Proves Democrats Are a Bunch of Stuffed Suits
BY MATT TAIBBI | December 13, 2014
Read more: rollingstone.com
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

80 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 8:10:27am

re: #72 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“The “Lenin” Partisan Brigade, active in the Zhetel region.”

The choice of the name of the founder of the Soviet state means the brigade was at least run by Communists. And its weapons were Red Army issue. And most partisan bands were mainly composed of pre-invasion civilians, but they were quite often lead by officers and NCOs of the Red Army or the NKVD.

81 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 8:10:39am

re: #76 Timothy Watson

Funny, I see a lot of hijabs at my local East Coast college…

I also don’t think you see many shirtless guys walking around with their pants pulled down to their shaven balls walking around East coast campus.

82 stpaulbear  Dec 14, 2014 8:10:50am

Open Carry Surfing

top secret - surf scene

83 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 8:13:14am

I believe a firm like A&F should be able to dictate what uniform the employee in a public position wears, as long as it applies the same standard everywhere. Freedom of religion has nothing to do with it. It’s only if they, say, allow yarmulke but prohibit hijab, then there’s a problem.

84 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 8:13:37am

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Too harsh?

Dodd-Frank Budget Fight Proves Democrats Are a Bunch of Stuffed Suits
BY MATT TAIBBI | December 13, 2014
Read more: rollingstone.com
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

Far too harsh. Basically, neither party’s leadership wanted a budget fight this month, so they struck a deal and stayed with it despite objections from both the left and right. It was an exercise in DC dealmaking, which was for me a refreshing change from ideological gridlock.

85 darthstar  Dec 14, 2014 8:13:43am
86 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2014 8:17:39am

re: #83 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I believe a firm like A&F should be able to dictate what uniform the employee in a public position wears, as long as it applies the same standard everywhere. Freedom of religion has nothing to do with it. It’s only if they, say, allow yarmulke but prohibit hijab, then there’s a problem.

A&F got into trouble a while ago saying they don’t want FAT GIRLS in their stores.

87 Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2014 8:18:46am

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Too harsh?

Dodd-Frank Budget Fight Proves Democrats Are a Bunch of Stuffed Suits
BY MATT TAIBBI | December 13, 2014
Read more: rollingstone.com
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

Not harsh enough, in my opinion.

88 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 8:24:24am

My religion says I must always wear a medieval full-body armor at all times. So if A&F dares not to hire me for this reason, I’ll sue them too.
/

89 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 8:25:10am

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

I also don’t think you see many shirtless guys walking around with their pants pulled down to their shaven balls walking around East coast campus.

Well, not unless James O’Keefe or Chuckles is around…

//

90 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 14, 2014 8:25:44am

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

Far too harsh. Basically, neither party’s leadership wanted a budget fight this month, so they struck a deal and stayed with it despite objections from both the left and right. It was an exercise in DC dealmaking, which was for me a refreshing change from ideological gridlock.

Dark this means they got beat down by the freaking banks. Nobody voted them in charge of anything. You have got to see the problem there right?

91 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 8:26:08am

re: #88 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

My religion says I must always wear a medieval full-body armor at all times. So if A&F dares not to hire me for this reason, I’ll sue them too.
/

They can have my penis sheath when they pry it from….

92 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 8:27:10am

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Too harsh?

Dodd-Frank Budget Fight Proves Democrats Are a Bunch of Stuffed Suits
BY MATT TAIBBI | December 13, 2014
Read more: rollingstone.com
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

About right, particularly this part:

So they’ll punt on this issue in the name of “maturity” or “bipartisanship,” Wall Street will get a nice win, and Hillary Clinton or whoever else is being set up as the Blob candidate on the Democratic side will receive an avalanche of Financial Services donations to stave off Warren (who will begin appearing in the press as an unhinged combination of Lev Trotsky and Spartacus)…

93 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 8:28:42am

re: #90 Rightwingconspirator

Dark this means they got beat down by the freaking banks. Nobody voted them in charge of anything. You have got to see the problem there right?

I see potential problems, but I’d like to hear the case made as to why the regulatory change being made is a bad idea.

94 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 8:30:41am

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

re: #92 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I also don’t think that a piece in Rolling Stone will carry much weight in Congress just about now. Tabbi should have published that piece elsewhere.

95 Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2014 8:31:11am

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I see potential problems, but I’d like to hear the case made as to why the regulatory change being made is a bad idea.

Do you believe banks should be allowed to gamble with federally-protected money?

96 ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2014 8:31:17am

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I see potential problems, but I’d like to hear the case made as to why the regulatory change being made is a bad idea.

2008 wasn’t enough of a case for you?

And, how ever did this country build to the point we did without those slack banking regulations?

I sure wish I had some protections for my savings if I screw up bad in my investments.

97 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 8:34:36am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

I also don’t think that a piece in Rolling Stone will carry much weight in Congress just about now. Tabbi should have published that piece elsewhere.

Moses could bring the article down from Mount Sinai inscribed on stone tablets and Congress would still sell its vote to the banks.

98 darthstar  Dec 14, 2014 8:38:36am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

I also don’t think that a piece in Rolling Stone will carry much weight in Congress just about now. Tabbi should have published that piece elsewhere.

The Intercept, maybe?

99 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 14, 2014 8:39:03am

Hi Dark and Happy Holidays.

Sorry dude, about to disagree three times in a row.

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Potential problems? Um, about that housing crash, setting people up of fraudulently taking away homes, credit card fees…

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I see potential problems, but I’d like to hear the case made as to why the regulatory change being made is a bad idea.

We need Dodd Frank at least as strong as first written. Checks and balances.

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

I also don’t think that a piece in Rolling Stone will carry much weight in Congress just about now. Tabbi should have published that piece elsewhere.

When the best argument against an article is where it got published rather than content, the case is weak.

100 Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2014 8:40:20am

Wingnuts are now passing around this video, claiming it shows Michael Brown beating and robbing an old man. Conveniently, you never get a good look at the attacker’s face.

New discovered video of the “Gentle Giant” Mike Brown!

101 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 8:41:41am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Wingnuts are now passing around this video, claiming it shows Michael Brown beating and robbing an old man. Conveniently, you never get a good look at the attacker’s face.

[Embedded content]

They know it was Michael Brown just as they know that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.

102 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 8:43:53am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Even if it were true - and that video would have to have impeccable provenance to convince me - that wouldn’t really change my assessment of what happened between the first and the second barrage of shots.

103 darthstar  Dec 14, 2014 8:44:24am
104 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 14, 2014 8:44:56am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

At least Snopes was on it fast…

Still images taken from the grainy video suggested the individual depicted was not Brown. Mike Brown stood at between 6’4” and 6’5”, and even at 18 was uncommonly tall among American men. The person depicted in the circulating footage does not appear to be nearly as tall as Brown was, by a good margin:
Read more at snopes.com

…Since Brown’s death in August 2014, several rumors have circulated about him that have later been proved entirely false: one involving his supposed arrest record, another claiming he had gravely injured Officer Darren Wilson, and one displaying a photo of gun-wielding murder suspect Joda Cain that was touted as depicting the “real Mike Brown.” ..

Read more at snopes.com

105 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 8:45:47am

re: #98 darthstar

The Intercept, maybe?

Heh, more like the Huffington Post or The Nation.

106 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 8:46:26am

re: #104 Rightwingconspirator

At least Snopes was on it fast…

But watch as it becomes the wingnut dogma.

107 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 8:47:03am

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator

It was not my understanding that the proposed changes pertained to real estate.

108 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 8:48:48am

But they do it for this:

Patricia Behrens 22 hours ago

Thank you Officer Wilson for removing an obvious thug and menace to civilized society. Good riddance to a vile sub human creature who deserves every bullet he got..especially the one that caused his death…

I could vomit.

109 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 8:50:08am

Has Chuck already swallowed this load of shit?

110 #FergusonFireside  Dec 14, 2014 8:57:32am

Sub Human.

She’s somebody’s neighbor.

111 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 14, 2014 8:57:57am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

It’s an indirect link via how the banks manage money. Mortgages, covering weird investments like those derivatives.

112 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 8:58:06am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

It was not my understanding that the proposed changes pertained to real estate.

The 2008 crash wasn’t directly about real estate, it was about the banks’ creation of investment vehicles that were bundles of mortgages written with significant lapses in due diligence. Those investment vehicles were then sold to investors at inflated prices that were no reflection of their actual worth.

113 Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2014 8:58:19am

If you don’t understand why what happened with the banking regulation that just got skewered matters, consider this: If I said you could take your live savings to Vegas and gamble it all away, because no matter how much you lost, I’d pay you back, would you turn down the offer? Would you be cautious in how you gambled? Or would you go until you’d exhausted everything, secure in knowing I’d cover your losses?

114 Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2014 8:59:00am

Everybody is jumping on the rectal feeding bandwagon. It’s all good.

Karl Rove Says Bush Knew About CIA Interrogation Program, Defends Rectal Feeding

huffingtonpost.com

So I guess the GOP debates will all be about which candidate is the most in favor of rectal feeding and torture, as the death of what the US claims to be accelerates.

115 BeachDem  Dec 14, 2014 9:00:27am

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I see potential problems, but I’d like to hear the case made as to why the regulatory change being made is a bad idea.

Just watch/listen to any speech or interview with Elizabeth Warren from the last several weeks. I recommend the interview Rachel Maddow did last week.

msnbc.com

It is not just a bad idea, it is a heaping added portion of the same bad idea that led to our latest financial crisis.

Also, protip—when the banksters are writing the legislation, it’s probably not going to work out well for the 99%.

116 Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2014 9:01:35am

re: #113 Targetpractice

If you don’t understand why what happened with the banking regulation that just got skewered matters, consider this: If I said you could take your live savings to Vegas and gamble it all away, because no matter how much you lost, I’d pay you back, would you turn down the offer? Would you be cautious in how you gambled? Or would you go until you’d exhausted everything, secure in knowing I’d cover your losses?

As an added bonus, everything you win is all yours to keep. No requirement to share it with your backer to pay them for assuming all the risk.

117 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 9:02:55am

re: #110 #FergusonFireside

Sub Human.

She’s somebody’s neighbor.

Hopefully, she not anyone’s mother. Because I would truly fear for the child raised by someone who thinks like that.

118 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 9:04:42am

re: #110 #FergusonFireside

Sub Human.

She’s somebody’s neighbor.

Just in case anyone wonders “how could it have happened to Germans”.

119 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 9:07:40am

re: #113 Targetpractice

If you don’t understand why what happened with the banking regulation that just got skewered matters, consider this: If I said you could take your live savings to Vegas and gamble it all away, because no matter how much you lost, I’d pay you back, would you turn down the offer? Would you be cautious in how you gambled? Or would you go until you’d exhausted everything, secure in knowing I’d cover your losses?

Consider that in April of this year JPMorgan Chase acknowledged that it lost $2bn on a risky trading strategy. This happened nearly six years after the banks crashed the US economy with risky trading strategies so the banks seemed to have learned nothing from that experience. Now, thanks to the passage of the budget bill, taxpayers will make good losses like this one no matter how risky or downright stupid the strategies that lead to them.

120 #FergusonFireside  Dec 14, 2014 9:08:07am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully, she not anyone’s mother. Because I would truly fear for the child raised by someone who thinks like that.

I’m sure she is.

121 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 9:08:23am

re: #114 Skip Intro

Everybody is jumping on the rectal feeding bandwagon. It’s all good.

Karl Rove Says Bush Knew About CIA Interrogation Program, Defends Rectal Feeding

huffingtonpost.com

So I guess the GOP debates will all be about which candidate is the most in favor of rectal feeding and torture, as the death of what the US claims to be accelerates.

That’s just Karl Rove doing deflection work. no Republicans are going to publicly praise rectal feeding, as its too close to being gay for most wingnuts.

/Not really kidding.

122 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 9:09:37am

re: #116 Skip Intro

As an added bonus, everything you win is all yours to keep. No requirement to share it with your backer to pay them for assuming all the risk.

Heads, they win. Tails, we lose. What’s wrong with that?

123 BeachDem  Dec 14, 2014 9:11:05am

re: #119 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Consider that in April of this year JPMorgan Chase acknowledged that it lost $2bn on a risky trading strategy. This happened nearly six years after the banks crashed the US economy with risky trading strategies so the banks seemed to have learned nothing from that experience. Now, thanks to the passage of the budget bill, taxpayers will make good losses like this one no matter how risky or downright stupid the strategies that lead to them.

The Winner of the Spending-Bill Vote: Jamie Dimon

According to some accounts, the actual language of the measure was drawn up by a lobbyist for Citigroup. According to others, Jamie Dimon, the chairman of JPMorgan Chase, who is widely lauded as the king of Wall Street, personally called some legislators and asked them to vote for it.

newyorker.com

124 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 9:12:56am

re: #123 BeachDem

The Winner of the Spending-Bill Vote: Jamie Dimon

According to some accounts, the actual language of the measure was drawn up by a lobbyist for Citigroup. According to others, Jamie Dimon, the chairman of JPMorgan Chase, who is widely lauded as the king of Wall Street, personally called some legislators and asked them to vote for it.

newyorker.com

They misspelled a$ked.

125 Dark_Falcon  Dec 14, 2014 9:18:18am

Wall Street does do a good job of selling itself, though:

New York schoolboy who made $72MILLION trading stocks on his lunch breaks - and now takes his friends out to dine on $400 caviar, drives a BMW and has definitely made his immigrant parents proud

- Mohammed Islam, 17, started dabbling in penny stocks at
the age of nine
- He trades stocks on lunch breaks at New York’s Stuyvesant High School
- Has made around $72million; has bought BMW and Manhattan
apartment
- He cites his inspiration as billionaire hedge-funder Paul Tudor Jones, 60
- Mohammed’s parents are immigrants from Bengal region of South Asia
- Student hopes to start hedge fund next year and make $1bn with friends

Despite Wall Street’s flaws, I’d like to show this article to Pam Geller just to watch her freak out.

126 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 9:25:14am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

His name is just perfect for trolling Pam.

127 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 14, 2014 9:37:37am

re: #61 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

He’s a moron labe, what do you want.

Am I the only person who, whenever I see that Molon Labe bullshit, reads it as “Molon Labia”? Must be some Freudian thing.
(shrug)

128 Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2014 10:01:59am

re: #127 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Am I the only person who, whenever I see that Molon Labe bullshit, reads it as “Molon Labia”? Must be some Freudian thing.
(shrug)

No…. You’re not the only one.

129 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 10:13:54am

ΜΟPΩΝ ΛΑMΕ!

130 Kryptik  Dec 14, 2014 10:15:52am

re: #108 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It really isn’t enough that Michael Brown is dead. It really isn’t enough that Wilson wasn’t indicted. Nope, they have to continue a campaign to ensure that the public continues to see Brown as not only guilty, but the very definition of ‘thug’, the very face of all that’s wrong with Black America. Just like they did with Trayvon Martin. And hell, like they’re doing with Tamir Rice by proxy.

It’s all about proving the entirety of blahs as ‘inferior’ and ‘subhuman’.

131 Varek Raith  Dec 14, 2014 10:16:16am

OPEC isn’t scared of $40 oil

In one, fell swoop OPEC has killed drill baby drill.

132 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 10:17:07am

re: #131 Varek Raith

OPEC isn’t scared of $40 oil

In one, fell swoop OPEC has killed drill baby drill.

Putin cries in the corner.

133 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2014 10:18:52am

re: #23 freetoken

Was life better 57 years ago?

Well, maybe.

For some.

Not so for others.

Well, 57 years ago I was exactly one month old, being served all my meals in a bottle, being held and cuddled a lot, being ooed and ahed over, and having someone else clean up my poop, so life was really much the same certainly different!

134 Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2014 10:18:54am

re: #131 Varek Raith

OPEC isn’t scared of $40 oil

In one, fell swoop OPEC has killed drill baby drill.

It also ought to kill off Keystone XL, but it won’t.

135 Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2014 10:30:03am

re: #131 Varek Raith

OPEC isn’t scared of $40 oil

In one, fell swoop OPEC has killed drill baby drill.

They’re not helping my 401(k).

136 Varek Raith  Dec 14, 2014 10:31:18am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

They’re not helping my 401(k).

Ouch.

137 Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2014 10:32:57am

re: #131 Varek Raith

OPEC isn’t scared of $40 oil

In one, fell swoop OPEC has killed drill baby drill.

If we had a President Romney and the DOW was this high and oil this low, the RWNJs would be anointing him the “greatest President ever”.

Edited to replace ‘annotated’ with ‘anointing’….I was at holiday party until 3 am and I’m still feeling it. Forgive me,

138 Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2014 10:37:44am

Chucky is under some delusion that he invented tabloid journalism:

139 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2014 10:37:55am

re: #137 Dr. Matt

If we had a President Romney and the DOW was this high and oil this low, the RWNJs would be annotating him the “greatest President ever”.

Yeah. Funny about that.

And Newt was promising if we elected him, we’d have $2.50 gas. Here in California, with some of the priciest gas in America, I filled up with Premium for $2.89. Admittedly, it was Costco, but still.

140 Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2014 10:40:00am

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. Funny about that.

And Newt was promising if we elected him, we’d have $2.50 gas. Here in California, with some of the priciest gas in America, I filled up with Premium for $2.89. Admittedly, it was Costco, but still.

Premium for 2.89!?! Nice. I filled up with Premium last night for 3.04….but I’m not complaining.

141 Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2014 10:41:11am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

They’re not helping my 401(k).

I feel your pain. Every time something good happens to help the average American, the stock market tanks.

142 BeachDem  Dec 14, 2014 10:41:27am

In addition to blowing up campaign finance reform and giving the bank$ters the key to the safe…(bold mine)

Under the bill, trustees would be enabled to cut pension benefits to current retirees, reversing a 40-year bond with workers who earned their retirement packages. Voters in the District of Columbia who approved legalized marijuana will see their initiative vaporized, with local government prohibited from taxing or regulating the drug’s sale. Trucking companies can make roads less safe by giving their employees 82-hour work weeks without sufficient rest breaks. Pell grants for college students will be cut, with the money diverted to private student loan contractors who have actively harmed borrowers. Government financiers of overseas projects will be prevented from stopping funding for coal-fired power plants. Blue Cross and Blue Shield will be allowed to count “quality improvement” measures toward their mandatory health spending under Obamacare’s “medical loss ratio” provision, a windfall saving them millions of dollars…

(goes on to list more craptacular parts of it)

And even if the offending measures on derivatives and campaign finance were removed, all of that dreck would remain.

Every Democrat who lost re-election voted for it. They are probably angling for a future career in lobbying now.

dailykos.com

143 Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2014 10:44:18am

re: #119 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Consider that in April of this year JPMorgan Chase acknowledged that it lost $2bn on a risky trading strategy. This happened nearly six years after the banks crashed the US economy with risky trading strategies so the banks seemed to have learned nothing from that experience. Now, thanks to the passage of the budget bill, taxpayers will make good losses like this one no matter how risky or downright stupid the strategies that lead to them.

Yet children of parents that made some bad decisions should just die of starvation or curable diseases in the streets.

144 Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2014 10:52:01am

25% of those who were captured and tortured were deemed innocent. The fellow who died was a case of mistaken identity.

Is it any wonder why this country continues to condone capital punishment?

145 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 10:55:24am

re: #142 BeachDem

I just shake my head when I see people argue that the president and the rest of the Democrats pushed this because the Republicans might come up with something worse in the new Congress. Do they really believe that passing this turd will in any way forestall that? Of course they’ll come up with something worse and they’ll incorporate that into another omnibus bill that the Dems will pass and the president will sign because they might come up with something worse. And the time after that and the time after that; a world without end.

146 Kryptik  Dec 14, 2014 10:56:32am

re: #144 Targetpractice

It’s all about the desire to punish over the desire to protect.

The idea of ‘better to condemn 100 innocent men then let a guilty one go free’ being virtuous and strong, while ‘better to let 100 guilty men go free than to condemn an innocent one’ being somehow weak, unmanly, and thoroughly cowardly.

I say it again. We are a nation of cowards who’ve been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

147 Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2014 10:59:34am

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, 57 years ago I was exactly one month old, being served all my meals in a bottle, being held and cuddled a lot, being ooed and ahed over, and having someone else clean up my poop, so life was really much the same certainly different!

Fifty-seven years ago Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) Vietnam was only two years old.

148 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 10:59:54am

re: #146 Kryptik

It’s all about the desire to punish over the desire to protect.

The idea of ‘better to condemn 100 innocent men then let a guilty one go free’ being virtuous and strong, while ‘better to let 100 guilty men go free than to condemn an innocent one’ being somehow weak, unmanly, and thoroughly cowardly.

I say it again. We are a nation of cowards who’ve been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

Cheney espoused this:

If there’s a 1% chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response. It’s not about our analysis … It’s about our response.

149 Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2014 11:08:52am

re: #144 Targetpractice

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25% of those who were captured and tortured were deemed innocent. The fellow who died was a case of mistaken identity.

Is it any wonder why this country continues to condone capital punishment?

WTF does five deferment Cheney care about others dying? The man is a monster, and the “news’ shows that keep giving him a stage are just as bad.

150 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Dec 14, 2014 11:23:26am

re: #146 Kryptik

It’s all about the desire to punish over the desire to protect.

The idea of ‘better to condemn 100 innocent men then let a guilty one go free’ being virtuous and strong, while ‘better to let 100 guilty men go free than to condemn an innocent one’ being somehow weak, unmanly, and thoroughly cowardly.

I say it again. We are a nation of cowards who’ve been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

It’s more of a “better* to condemn 100 innocent** men then let a guilty one go free***”


* for certain values of “better” that involve convenience and faster delivery of a warm, slightly groin-tingly sense of self-righteousness and being a tough guy. Sort of like drinking booze from containers with a wide mouth.

**who aren’t really innocent because they’re the the wrong color, nationality, or otherwise just Not Of The Body. I mean, EVENTUALLY they’ll be guilty of something. Like, their lunch smells funny and most of them are really far away and thus not entirely real people.

*** but sometimes the guilty guys just need to be let go free because who else would you go golfing with. And sometimes they meant well; like they say, you can’t make an omelet without jamming hummus up someone’s ass.

151 EPR-radar  Dec 14, 2014 11:31:49am

re: #146 Kryptik

It’s all about the desire to punish over the desire to protect.

The idea of ‘better to condemn 100 innocent men then let a guilty one go free’ being virtuous and strong, while ‘better to let 100 guilty men go free than to condemn an innocent one’ being somehow weak, unmanly, and thoroughly cowardly.

I say it again. We are a nation of cowards who’ve been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

Furthermore, we ended up torturing as part of the ‘war on terror’ because political leaders at the time, along with many voters, simply wanted to torture. That’s the ugly truth about US torture. No proponent of torture cares about its lack of effectiveness.

152 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 11:32:49am

re: #150 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

One conservative lizard here (not very active right now) used to argue that it’s a war against crime and in a war there is always collateral damage, so capital punishment is OK.

153 CuriousLurker  Dec 14, 2014 11:34:37am

OT Observation/Thoughts: A sort of “open letter” post regarding the recently deceased pastor of a snake handling Pentecostal church in Kentucky came in via my Google alerts this morning. I don’t know if you guys will find it interesting, but I did even though I don’t believe as he does.

I guess we can all find justification for our beliefs, how outlandish they seem to others, and no matter how many times logic needs to be bent like a pretzel to make it work. I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t find it something to sneer at or ridicule, but rather… I dunno, there is a lot of human… I guess just humanity, the quality of being human—not all good or all bad, and certainly not always logical, but just human—demonstrated in it.

Faith — 0, rattlesnake — 1 is the scorecard for just one of the many mean-spirited comments I’ve read after the passing away of my beloved dad, Pastor Woodrow A. Fields. I say dad instead of father as another testament to our devotion to the scriptures as it teaches us to call no man Father because we only have one, which is in Heaven. It is no way meant to be a slight to the man that taught me to work and provide for my family and to love EVERYBODY, regardless of creed, religious affiliation or whether or not that same love was returned. Those things are only a sampling of the plethora of lessons the old man — as I often called him in jest — taught me in order to make me the man I am today and the better man I hope to be in the future. I may not do everything to perfection but besides the religious aspects of lessons taught, he taught me to be a productive, honest citizen in a heartless and callous society in which we live today. […]

middlesborodailynews.com

Here’s the first paragraph of the obituary of the pastor:

EVARTS — Reverend Woodrow A. “Woody” Fields, 52, of Evarts, went home to be with his Lord and Savior, Friday night, November 28, 2014, at the Evarts Free Pentecostal Holiness Church, where he was the Pastor, doing what he loved best, worshipping the Lord. Born June 3, 1962 in Harlan County, he had lived here most of his life. Woody was a retired coal miner with Manalapan Mining Company and was an avid fisherman. […]

legacy.com

Anyway… that is all.

154 bratwurst  Dec 14, 2014 11:46:33am
155 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 14, 2014 11:48:17am

re: #153 CuriousLurker

OT Observation/Thoughts: A sort of “open letter” post regarding the recently deceased pastor of a snake handling Pentecostal church in Kentucky came in via my Google alerts this morning. I don’t know if you guys will find it interesting, but I did even though I don’t believe as he does.

I guess we can all find justification for our beliefs, how outlandish they seem to others, and no matter how many times logic needs to be bent like a pretzel to make it work. I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t find it something to sneer at or ridicule, but rather… I dunno, there is a lot of human… I guess just humanity, the quality of being human—not all good or all bad, and certainly not always logical, but just human—demonstrated in it.

Here’s the first paragraph of the obituary of the pastor:

Anyway… that is all.

Hi, I’m here with your snakes
156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2014 11:48:40am

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Serpent handling (which I find mystifying) aside, I think the son’s response is very well written, honest and sincere.

157 EPR-radar  Dec 14, 2014 11:56:20am

re: #152 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

One conservative lizard here (not very active right now) used to argue that it’s a war against crime and in a war there is always collateral damage, so capital punishment is OK.

I’m sure there was some inconsistency here. Collateral damage in the form of accused white collar criminals being executed according to standard US death penalty practice (i.e., arbitrarily, capriciously, and with inadequate representation) would doubtless have been viewed as unacceptable.

158 Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2014 11:56:57am

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Serpent handling (which I find mystifying) aside, I think the son’s response is very well written, honest and sincere.

I can’t say too much, seeing as this is how I express my spirituality:

Traditional Sufi Ceremonies Ensemble - Sufi Devran

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 14, 2014 12:07:17pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Nicely written. Thank you for sharing his letter.

Not much into the beliefs that drive that type of holiness church and yet, who am I to say? I’m sure that the rituals I partake in every week would creep out more than a few. If you take the transubstantiation seriously (I’m a little too protestant but I digress…) you’ll run into the old Roman Cannibalism accusation for example. Shrug. Good lord bless everyone, thank you.

160 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 14, 2014 12:17:50pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Thank you for sharing the son’s heartfelt and honest letter. There’s plenty of room for those who are out of the main stream. While I might not think that snake handling is the best thing those folks may think the same of my practice of putting on my grandmother’s wedding dress and dancing in front of the mirror.

161 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Dec 14, 2014 12:23:03pm

As long as they don’t let children handle the snakes, they can do whatever they want.

162 CuriousLurker  Dec 14, 2014 1:13:11pm

re: #155 RealityBasedSteve

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #159 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #160 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Thanks for the responses and sorry for not acknowledging them sooner. I was doing some e-commerce research for work (*grimace*) and got distracted.

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2014 1:24:47pm

re: #162 CuriousLurker

Thanks for the responses and sorry for not acknowledging them sooner. I was doing some e-commerce research for work (*grimace*) and got distracted.

It was a wonderful letter from a son who was able to clearly describe who his “Dad” was in every day life.
As I said, the snake handling thing mystifies me but, that said, Pastor Fields sounds like someone I wouldn’t mind having as a neighbor.

I particularly liked the son’s closing statement:

Yes, I know the Bible teaches that our grace is not by works lest any man should boast. But it also teaches that faith without works is dead. Some profess faith without works. Like the apostle Paul, my dad showed me his faith by his works.

As the saying goes, “if you have to tell me you’re a Christian, you aren’t. Show me, instead.”

For me substitute “human” for “Christian”…

164 CuriousLurker  Dec 14, 2014 1:43:58pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

As the saying goes, “if you have to tell me you’re a Christian, you aren’t. Show me, instead.”

For me substitute “human” for “Christian”…

THIS. I was just re-reading his letter and a similar/related portion jumped out at me:

My dad may have had a simple message and not very eloquent of speech, but he spoke Christian without having to say a word. That’s the language we should all learn to speak. And if Christianity is a term you’re not comfortable affiliating yourself with maybe the simplistic message of a true Christian would be more fitting which is, goodwill toward all.

It seems like he “gets it”—i.e. it seems he’s willing to accept that even people who don’t call themselves Christians can be humane & show good will towards all. Snakes notwithstanding, I wouldn’t mind having the son or father for a neighbor either. ;-)

165 Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2014 2:23:28pm

re: #160 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Thank you for sharing the son’s heartfelt and honest letter. There’s plenty of room for those who are out of the main stream. While I might not think that snake handling is the best thing those folks may think the same of my practice of putting on my grandmother’s wedding dress and dancing in front of the mirror.

You too? Are you of the veil sect or the heathen non-veil sect?


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