Christians More Supportive of Torture Than Non-Religious Americans

Sarah Posner, Religion Dispatches

This is no surprise to me since the most common question I get from xtians when stating my atheism is “But how do you tell right from wrong without God?” The real difference here is that there isn’t any forgiveness and few if any rationalizations for torture in the atheist viewpoint. At the WaPo link you have to use the “more details” link, and then the drop downs to see each question broken down by religion.

A new Washington Post/ABC News poll finds that Americans, by a 59-31% margin, believe that CIA “treatment of suspected terrorists” in detention was justified.

Using the Water Cure A plurality deemed that “treatment” to be “torture,” by a 49-38% margin.

Remarkably, the gap between torture supporters and opponents widens between voters who are Christian and those who are not religious. Just 39% of white evangelicals believe the CIA’s treatment of detainees amounted to torture, with 53% of white non-evangelical Protestants and 45% of white Catholics agreeing with that statement. Among the non-religious, though, 72% said the treatment amounted to torture. (The poll did not break down non-Christian religions in the results.)

Sixty nine percent of white evangelicals believe the CIA treatment was justified, compared to just 20% who said it was not. (Those numbers, incidentally, roughly mirror the breakdown of Republican versus Democratic voters among white evangelicals.) A full three-quarters (75%) of white non-evangelical Protestants outnumber the 22% of their brethren in saying CIA treatment was justified. White Catholics believe the treatment was justified by a 66-23% margin.

But a majority of non-religious adults, 53%, believe the CIA actions were not justified, with 41% of the non-religious saying the treatment was justified.

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1 EiMitch  Dec 20, 2014 9:19:25am

A majority of people in this country support torture? Even after it came out that innocent people were tortured? Even after it came out that torture accomplished nothing productive? Even after…

Sorry, need to vomit. brb

So much for “land of the free.” So much for morality and human rights. So much for our fanatical reverence of the constitution.

But a majority of non-religious adults, 53%, believe the CIA actions were not justified, with 41% of the non-religious saying the treatment was justified.

41% in favor? Nearly half of fellow non-believers support torture? And we’re the group least supportive of torture?

I can’t even call that a cold comfort. I’m just disgusted. We’re a land of savages. I can’t sugarcoat it more than that.

2 Mike R  Dec 20, 2014 10:56:23am

re: #1 EiMitch

I am with you on the disgust. It appears that citizens of the USA want to claim exceptionalism, but being such is apparently too much work. Wtf happened to us? Maybe we have always been a selfish, self deluded lot of oafs and ne’er do wells and wanna bes.

3 team_fukit  Dec 20, 2014 11:44:57am

yeah I think it’s ironic as hell that Christians support torture considering what they claim happened to their founder at the hands of the Romans.

I was trolling FB the other day and I posted a photo of a bust of Pilate, saying “Take it from Pontius Pilate, using ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on your enemies will probably just give them a Messiah complex.”

Comedy Gold!

4 EiMitch  Dec 20, 2014 11:58:27am

re: #3 team_fukit

Gallows humor like that puts the “comfort” in cold comfort. The stuff I was talking about in my other post was all cold and no comfort. So thnx, I sincerely needed that.

5 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 12:10:51pm

re: #3 team_fukit

yeah I think it’s ironic as hell that Christians support torture considering what they claim happened to their founder at the hands of the Romans.

I was trolling FB the other day and I posted a photo of a bust of Pilate, saying “Take it from Pontius Pilate, using ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on your enemies will probably just give them a Messiah complex.”

Comedy Gold!

That appears to be precisely the point.

A Jew was tortured and crucified “for their sins”. That makes it perfectly all right in their eyes, as they are always “forgiven” for their transgressions, including torture, maiming, raping, killing, etc.

6 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 12:11:39pm

I’ve long thought that the mind/body duality, where the mind is actually considered the soul, inherent in religious belief systems leads to this type of weird moral dichotomy.

The idea that evil can be an inherent trait of the soul means that in the minds of many religious people there is no possibility of change. If the soul is evil then there is no need to treat it, or the person containing the soul, as anything but evil.

7 team_fukit  Dec 20, 2014 12:13:22pm

re: #4 EiMitch

re: #4 EiMitch

Ha thanks!

I grew up Independent Fundamentalist Missionary Baptist (IFB) in the South, and I can’t tell you how many times I had to hear people whine and cry about what those wicked Pharisees did to that innocent Jesus guy. They even fawned over Jesus torture/murder porn (other than the Gospels), used to pass around this book called The Day Christ Died (1957) that supposedly recounts the drama of what happened medically during the Crucifixion. Bill O’s Killing Jesus was just a poor imitation of that book.

So yeah, it burns me up that they’ll whine for f***ing centuries about how Jesus was tortured despite his innocence and then just look the other way and justify it all when it in happens in real life.

They’d have killed Jesus just as quickly and Cheney would have done it all again in a four-stroke-engine revolution.

8 Unabogie  Dec 20, 2014 12:14:23pm

Seriously, why does this surprise anyone? Isn’t the very concept of “hell” about the eternal torture of people for the crime of merely having the wrong beliefs?

9 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 12:15:13pm

re: #7 team_fukit

Ha thanks!

I grew up Independent Fundamentalist Missionary Baptist (IFB) in the South, and I can’t tell you how many times I had to hear people whine and cry about what those wicked Pharisees did to that innocent Jesus guy. They even fawned over Jesus torture/murder porn (other than the Gospels), used to pass around this book called The Day Christ Died (1957) that supposedly recounts the drama of what happened medically during the Crucifixion. Bill O’s Killing Jesus was just a poor imitation of that book.

So yeah, it burns me up that they’ll whine for f***ing centuries about how Jesus was tortured despite his innocence and then just look the other way and justify it all when it in happens in real life.

They’d have killed Jesus just as quickly and Cheney would have done it all again in a four-stroke-engine revolution.

Wasn’t the death of Jesus planned and executed by God? Wasn’t that death also necessary to absolve us poor humans of original sin?

10 KerFuFFler  Dec 20, 2014 12:16:45pm

It does not really surprise me that Christians are more supportive of torture than non-believers. After all, a lot of them (but not all….) seem to relish the idea of a fiery, eternal torment for sinners other than themselves. To Hell with that!

Any deity choosing to punish such offences as being born into the wrong religion, or even murder (!) with eternal damnation is a deity I have no respect for.

11 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 12:17:07pm

re: #8 Unabogie

Seriously, why does this surprise anyone? Isn’t the very concept of “hell” about the eternal torture of people for the crime of merely having the wrong beliefs?

Which is where I’m going, if you can believe my religiously bent relatives. : )

12 team_fukit  Dec 20, 2014 12:18:09pm

re: #9 b_sharp

Yeah, I made the points in 7th grade bible class that

1. Whining about the Crucifixion seems weird because it was theologically necessary. and 2. Jesus would have lost a lot of sensation and perception due to falling into shock, so why go on and on about his pain?

I was basically called a fool by my teacher and laughed at roundly by my classmates.

Now I’m an atheist. Jokes on them!

13 KerFuFFler  Dec 20, 2014 12:19:11pm

re: #8 Unabogie

Seriously, why does this surprise anyone? Isn’t the very concept of “hell” about the eternal torture of people for the crime of merely having the wrong beliefs?

Haha, you beat me! Great minds think alike…

14 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 12:20:48pm

Considering the number of Xtians we’ve had over the years declare we are at war with Islam or even use the word “crusade” to describe our efforts abroad, who have suggested everything from internment camps to loyalty oaths, does the result of this poll really surprise anyone?

15 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 12:25:41pm

I watch movies like this from time to time just to remind me about what could easily happen when people lockstep to a particular mindset.

imdb.com

Made in 1940, it was about 1933 Germany and the push to indoctrinate the population and what happened to those who did not commit themselves to “national socialism” and their godhead, Hitler.

Not a great movie, but it made some important points.

16 Randall Gross  Dec 20, 2014 12:28:14pm

I’ve watched the past decade as the attitude and culture in this country changed - a lot. Maybe it started with Dirty Harry, maybe it started with Jack Bauer, but the use of torture by everyday “good guys” is now an accepted Television trope. It’s so casual and everyday that nobody notices even in episodes where the use of extra legal means happen against innocents and the red herring suspects. It’s common hollywood writer shorthand to use illegal search, entrapment, threats of Gitmo, or just the plain old beat down to further their plots, and to do it without any consciousness of the human rights they are abusing. Maybe they think it’s ok because it’s only TV, but I would challenge all writers to just tone that shit down — unless we want more Mike Brown’s and Eric Garners.

17 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 12:33:12pm

He’s starting this shit again.

18 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 20, 2014 12:35:22pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

Considering the number of Xtians we’ve had over the years declare we are at war with Islam or even use the word “crusade” to describe our efforts abroad, who have suggested everything from internment camps to loyalty oaths, does the result of this poll really surprise anyone?

The Crusades are another Christian endeavor that wound up kicking all of the wrong asses. The last couple of them were simply raids on everyone on the way to the Holy Lands (They never reached the Holy Lands) and they led directly to the fall of Byzantium at the hands of the Turks. Ironic that last because the Byzantine Empire was the only Christian theocracy in the world.

19 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 12:35:27pm

Video: Message on a large monitor in the Mall of America telling protesters that they will be subject to arrest if they continue to demonstrate there - nekimal on Instagram

instagram.com

We don’t care.

20 KerFuFFler  Dec 20, 2014 12:51:27pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

He’s starting this shit again.

I’ve helped expose the frauds behind two wars that could’ve happened: Syria with Elizabeth O’Bagy & North Korea with the #SonyHack. I’m 26. Chucky

Yeah, that’s right, he has singlehandedly brought us back from the brink of two unnecessary wars. And he built rockets when he was a kid…oh, and his IQ is…

Jeebus, either he thinks exaggerating his “accomplishments” is a worthwhile and profitable gimmick or he is suffering from serious delusions of self-importance.

21 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 12:57:38pm

Not to go all Godwin here, but the American theocratic vision is not dramatically different from the concept of Kinder, Küche, Kirche when you examine it closely.

Mothers in the Fatherland: Women, the Family and Nazi Politics, by Claudia Koonz

atheism.about.com

22 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 12:57:46pm

That’s it, I’m putting Chuck on mute for a while. Need a break from his toxic boasting.

23 Mentis Fugit  Dec 20, 2014 12:57:55pm

re: #2 Mike R

I am with you on the disgust. It appears that citizens of the USA want to claim exceptionalism, but being such is apparently too much work. Wtf happened to us? Maybe we have always been a selfish, self deluded lot of oafs and ne’er do wells and wanna bes.

Once you understand it’s not “we don’t torture because EXCEPTIONALISM” but “because EXCEPTIONALISM we can torture and you can’t” it makes a lot more sense.

24 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 20, 2014 12:58:02pm

I bet those who feel its not torture would beg to differ should they ever be subjected to the same treatment by a rogue foreign government agency that kidnapped them in the middle of the night in front of their families.

25 austin_blue  Dec 20, 2014 12:58:19pm

re: #20 KerFuFFler

Yeah, that’s right, he has singlehandedly brought us back from the brink of two unnecessary wars. And he built rockets when he was a kid…oh, and his IQ is…

Jeebus, either he thinks exaggerating his “accomplishments” is a worthwhile and profitable gimmick or he is suffering from serious delusions of self-importance.

Nah, he’s just a crazy little twat.

26 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 12:59:58pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

He’s starting this shit again.

[Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson

I’ve helped expose the frauds behind two wars that could’ve happened: Syria with Elizabeth O’Bagy & North Korea with the #SonyHack. I’m 26.]

He’s has his God Complex in gear now. All Bow Down to the Great Chucky C.

28 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:03:09pm

You’d think these guys were going after hardened criminals in these get-ups.

29 Lidane  Dec 20, 2014 1:04:19pm

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I bet those who feel its not torture would beg to differ should they ever be subjected to the same treatment by a rogue foreign government agency that kidnapped them in the middle of the night in front of their families.

I’ve had people tell me that waterboarding isn’t torture because someone they know went through it for military training. Great! Have them go through it in the exact same conditions as Gitmo or a CIA black site and get back to me.

30 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 1:06:00pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

That’s it, I’m putting Chuck on mute for a while. Need a break from his toxic boasting.

Chucky can be likened to the USS Constitution. He’s made of hardwood and cannon balls just bounce of that thick hull.

It does not seem all the negative press bashing handed out to him over the last two weeks has even cause any splinters to his thick head. If anything, he probably thinks he has withstood it and now he is insurmountable.

I think I’ve said as have others…this dude is unique in the halls of psychology. He truly does deserve to be studied. He may be a whole new classification/definition of sickness for the digital world and social media.

31 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 1:07:07pm
32 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:07:44pm

Dressed to Suppress

newyorker.com

“So what happens when the barriers begin to shift, and the traditional blue is, on occasions when local forces think it’s warranted, like at demonstrations or other public gatherings, being replaced by something quite different? There are currently no federal regulations monitoring when police can swap blues out for SWAT ensembles; that determination is entirely local—and, as Peter Kraska, a professor of criminal justice at Eastern Kentucky University, has documented, it is also increasingly common, having occurred approximately fifty thousand times this year, up from three thousand times in 1980. Few of those deployments, he says, are in response to violent or life-threatening crimes; in fact over eighty per cent are “proactive” (that is, not in response to a specific threat).”

33 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 1:09:12pm

re: #29 Lidane

I’ve had people tell me that waterboarding isn’t torture because someone they know went through it for military training. Great! Have them go through it in the exact same conditions as Gitmo or a CIA black site and get back to me.

An older wingnut has told me more than once about how hubby went through SERE while in the USAF and he’d told her it wasn’t really torture. I finally got tired of her blathering and told her to submit to waterboarding as the CIA conducted it, instead of relying upon what hubby told her, then get back to me.

She pretty quickly let the subject drop.

34 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:12:16pm

This isn’t going to go down very well, but more than likely has nothing to do with protesters.

Editor’s note: According to information attributed to police officials by several news organizations, the two NYPD officers in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, who were shot today were in their patrol car at the time of the shooting. A suspect has reportedly been arrested, but we are waiting for more clarity on that detail. - Aaron
end of note

35 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:12:57pm

Here’s a really tiny, efficient function for proportionally scaling a rectangle, by passing in either a new width or a new height. It returns an associative array with the scaled width and height.

This is used in the code that does the image previews for YouTube and Vimeo videos.

<?php
function imageScale($srcWidth, $srcHeight, $newWidth, $newHeight = FALSE) {
	$ratio = $newHeight
		? min($newWidth / $srcWidth, $newHeight / $srcHeight)
		: $newWidth / $srcWidth;
	return array(
		'width'		=> ceil($srcWidth * $ratio),
		'height'	=> ceil($srcHeight * $ratio)
	);
}
?>
36 Lidane  Dec 20, 2014 1:15:19pm

On an unrelated note, these new Kindle Fire tablets are pretty sweet. I’m definitely glad I got one.

/product placement

37 freetoken  Dec 20, 2014 1:17:30pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Using Spy mode, I notice the new image previews on videos are offset halfway from the left of the text box, meaning that the image is clipped on the right side.

38 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 1:17:56pm

in the year 300ad, the roman empire persecuted christians. by 400ad christianity was the established religion and ‘pagans’ were persecuted

history will record this era in the united states as a peculiar amalgam of advanced technological civilization uncomfortably combined with even more advanced superstition

but things can change quickly

39 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 1:19:31pm

re: #28 Justanotherhuman

You’d think these guys were going after hardened criminals in these get-ups.

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when will the dangerous and inherently violent sect of “shopping” be outlawed??

40 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:19:46pm

re: #37 freetoken

Yes, I need to adjust some things in Spy mode.

41 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:20:48pm

re: #39 dog philosopher

when will the dangerous and inherently violent sect of “shopping” be outlawed??

Well, walking on the street obviously has been.

42 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:21:00pm

Here’s the Javascript version of the same proportional scaling function…

function imageScale(srcWidth, srcHeight, newWidth, newHeight) {
	var ratio = newHeight
		? Math.min(newWidth / srcWidth, newHeight / srcHeight)
		: newWidth / srcWidth;
	return {
		width: Math.ceil(srcWidth * ratio),
		height: Math.ceil(srcHeight * ratio)
	};
}
43 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 1:21:42pm

re: #9 b_sharp

Wasn’t the death of Jesus planned and executed by God? Wasn’t that death also necessary to absolve us poor humans of original sin?

Something that just happens to fly in the face of the “free will” doctrine…it seems that God couldn’t make up his mind.

/sorta

44 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:22:24pm
45 freetoken  Dec 20, 2014 1:26:04pm

re: #1 EiMitch

Most certainly, in this country the skill of the professional advertising industry, which is employed by politicians and their money masters, has succeeded is corralling the “Christians” in this country into buying the idea that reactionary and xenophobic policies are equivalent to being a good Christian.

This is hardly a new phenomenon, but all one has to do is look at the owners of Salem Communications to understand how and why this happens.

People in this country are afraid. To me the fear seems outsized compared to the actual threats, which are few or far between. But fear is an easy sell.

This gets back to the Christian victimization theme. By using what I’ll call the Victim-vector, one can connect Christianity with the need for the hyper-militarism and torture.

46 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 20, 2014 1:26:50pm

re: #31 jaunte

I’ve seen people jump in front of the parade and pretend that they’re leading it - we all have. CCJ jumps in behind the parade and pretends that he’s leading it. That’s not disturbing. What is disturbing is that there are people who are giving him money and following him in a non-satirical way.

47 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 1:28:28pm

re: #46 Higgs Boson’s Mate

there are people who are giving him money

I just can’t imagine thinking that would be a good idea.

48 stpaulbear  Dec 20, 2014 1:28:29pm

Thanks for posting this. It’s pathetic how much really rotten behavior that religion can justify.

And, as you implied in your first sentence, you don’t have to be religious in order to be a good person. There is no connection what-so-ever.

We’re way overdue for another enlightenment.

49 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:30:21pm

Of course they won’t be punished.

CIA Panel Recommends Against Penalizing Officers Responsible For Hacking Into Senate Computers

thinkprogress.org

50 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 1:32:07pm

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

Of course they won’t be punished.

CIA Panel Recommends Against Penalizing Officers Responsible For Hacking Into Senate Computers

thinkprogress.org

Are we talking about the CIA or the KGB? Because the two are getting hard to tell apart.

51 EiMitch  Dec 20, 2014 1:32:41pm

re: #45 freetoken

The real surprise was that 41%, nearly half, of non-believers support torture. Its not just xians. This entire country’s culture has degenerated to the very brutal fascism we claim to oppose. See also how many Americans view police brutality through victim-blaming lenses. We’ve completely lost our collective s***.

52 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 1:33:05pm

NFL games on a Saturday rather than watching the spare bowl games, I love this country.

Go team that we can’t mention anymore, beat the Eagles,

53 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 20, 2014 1:33:08pm

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

Of course they won’t be punished.

CIA Panel Recommends Against Penalizing Officers Responsible For Hacking Into Senate Computers

thinkprogress.org

Well, we don’t punish policemen and the CIA is the World Police so…

54 freetoken  Dec 20, 2014 1:33:30pm

re: #51 EiMitch

When you market fear, it’s easy to push people into agreeing to almost anything.

55 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:35:47pm

re: #54 freetoken

When you market fear, it’s easy to push people into agreeing to almost anything.

And fear is marketed heavily in this country. Even before 2001.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2014 1:36:00pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

He’s starting this shit again.

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26 is his real IQ

57 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 1:37:00pm

re: #51 EiMitch

Remember the WW2 movies where they would threaten the prisoners with handing them over to the Gestapo because they “had ways to make you talk” and how horrible that was to all?

58 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 1:39:50pm

re: #53 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well, we don’t punish policemen and the CIA is the World Police so…

Law enforcement people only get in trouble if they harm people’s pets or get caught hiring hookers.

59 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:39:57pm

No doubt this poor schmuck had reached the end of his rope, like others.

Suspect in shooting of 2 officers in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, dead from possible self-inflicted gunshot wound, NYPD says - @NBCNewYork

nbcnewyork.com

Officers wounded; one in critical condition.

60 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:41:04pm

And now, another awesome Russian guitar mangler…

Sergey Golovin ‘Ultimate Control’ at Jamtrackcentral.com

61 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 1:41:12pm

re: #51 EiMitch

I’m not sure this hasn’t always been so, maybe worse. It’s just nobody cared to do polls.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2014 1:42:18pm
the most common question I get from xtians when stating my atheism is “But how do you tell right from wrong without God?”

Many “non-believers” don’t need the threat of eternal damnation to tell right from wrong, and act accordingly.

Some, if not most, “believers” OTOH say they know the difference but go ahead and act like assholes thinking they can get that deathbed reprieve.

63 goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2014 1:43:58pm

I’m trying to understand the wingnut mindset. Futile I know, but there it is.

64 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 1:45:30pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

I’m trying to understand the wingnut mindset. Futile I know, but there it is.

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That guy has been drinking too much of his Stop Bath.

65 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:46:10pm

Embedded video previews will now be fine in Spy Mode, if you reload the page.

66 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 1:46:35pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

I’m trying to understand the wingnut mindset. Futile I know, but there it is.

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This one of the wingnuts who’s still convinced the attack in Benghazi was over a CIA gun-running operation?

67 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 1:47:37pm
68 goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2014 1:48:20pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

This one of the wingnuts who’s still convinced the attack in Benghazi was over a CIA gun-running operation?

No mention of gun running. I’m not sure he knows what he thinks except that Obama is always lying to America and touching its swimsuit area without permission.

69 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:48:41pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Remember, this is the guy who took the photos when Chuck stalked me to my former apartment.

70 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:49:43pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

And now, another awesome Russian guitar mangler…

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Video

Charles, he has a new album out:

*NEW ALBUM*Sergey Golovin - Changes 2014

I’m wondering what kind of training he has? Talent knows no boundaries.

71 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 1:49:48pm

re: #67 jaunte

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Where are the wingnuts to whine about “police state”? Oh right, they’re on the side of the police.

72 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:52:45pm

Not good.

73 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 1:52:45pm

re: #64 b.d.

That guy has been drinking too much of his Stop Bath.

And smoking bath salts…

74 goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2014 1:53:00pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Remember, this is the guy who took the photos when Chuck stalked me to my former apartment.

Yeah, I know. He’s a fuckin’ douche. I’d just like to get one wingnut on record explaining why Khattala’s statement and the protests / riots in 50+ cities don’t make the Administration’s initial claims about Benghazi perfectly reasonable, if maybe not 100% accurate.

75 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 1:53:41pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Not good.

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As if the NYPD’s union rep needed something else to whine about.

76 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:54:25pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Not good.

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One was in critical condition (I’m thinking he was the one who died) but there are conflicting reports.

Editor’s note: There is conflicting information circulating about the status of the NYPD officers shot in Brooklyn, NY, today. The New York Times, citing authorities, is reporting that one of the officers is dead and the other critical. The New York Post and CBS New York, citing a city councilman, say both officers are dead. I’m waiting for firm confirmation from the NYPD or hospital officials on both officers’ conditions. - Aaron
end of note

77 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 1:56:07pm

OTOH, maybe both are dead, if they were shot in the head, ambush style.

vine.co

The perp also shot himself.

78 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 1:56:19pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

As if the NYPD’s union rep needed something else to whine about.

Watch him twist the knife in DeBlasio some…it’s sickening to even say, but you know it’s coming.

79 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 1:56:19pm

re: #67 jaunte

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Interesting in how strong the police are acting to this…in a mall.

The police get to decide are they backing the people or are they backing the corporations that will claim private property and want everyone removed.

I think we know where that is going.

///

80 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:56:58pm

Supposedly it’s two female police officers.

81 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 1:57:23pm

And the suspect may have killed himself.

82 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 1:57:24pm

Anthony Cumia, eager to have other people fighting.

83 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 1:57:35pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Not good.

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Horrible news

84 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 1:57:53pm

re: #78 TedStriker

Watch him twist the knife in DeBlasio some…it’s sickening, but you know it’s coming.

Considering the shit he’s been spouting, I well expect him to declare that De Blasio is unwelcome at the funeral(s) and his appearance will be considered an insult to the NYPD. Or something along those lines.

85 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2014 1:58:19pm

re: #67 jaunte

Sooo…the workers stand outside their store blocking THEIR OWN STORE DOOR…
And the riot cops “fix it” by closing the store doors.

O_o

86 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 2:00:29pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Supposedly it’s two female police officers.

The reporting on this has been very uneven, with an earlier report that said the suspect had been arrested. Also, not quite clear whether or not he shot himself, but he’s been found dead from gunshot.

Editor’s note: According to information attributed to police officials by several news organizations, the two NYPD officers in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, who were shot today were in their patrol car at the time of the shooting. A suspect has reportedly been arrested, but we are waiting for more clarity on that detail. - Aaron
end of note

Suspect in shooting of 2 officers in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, dead from possible self-inflicted gunshot wound, NYPD says - @NBCNewYork
read more on nbcnewyork.com

87 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 2:00:39pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sooo…the workers stand outside their store blocking THEIR OWN STORE DOOR…
And the riot cops “fix it” by closing the store doors.

O_o

Crowd control ‘mam. Move along…

88 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 2:00:56pm

Two police officers get tragically killed while in the line off duty and it makes earth stopping news alll across the nation while unarmed AA kids getting gunned down has just started getting into the news this year.

Any innocent person getting slain by a gunman is a horrible thing.

89 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 2:01:32pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

And the suspect may have killed himself.

Too bad the bastard couldn’t have done that first…

90 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 2:02:32pm
91 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 2:03:38pm

The blood is still on the street and the ghoul is out to make this his story already.

92 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 2:03:56pm

re: #90 jaunte

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To slightly paraphrase:

Any human’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee.

93 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 2:04:17pm

I have no idea where this image came from but it’s going around on the Twitters. 24-hour warning.

94 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 2:04:42pm

re: #91 b.d.

Chuck, the Premature Vulture

95 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 2:05:00pm

The question about where we atheists get out values from is not entirely unfair. But the thing is, there are no objective moral values regardless of whether God exists. Just as there can be no objectively tasty food. Values are always in the eye of the beholder. If God exists, his take on the values is just his opinion.

Now, one may believe in objective values - I find that not quite rational but whatever. But when someone says that the values are ontologically grounded in God - that is just a statement of faith. It’s not any sort of a logical derivation. An atheist who believes in objective moral values can supply assert that they exist as part of being itself - and she will be on exactly the same footing as any theist.

So belief in objective moral values doesn’t require God. If morality is the only reason to believe in a deity, I’m afraid I’m this case Occam’s razor is pretty merciless.

96 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 2:06:18pm

Those pants in the image from Facebook do match the photos from the scene.

nypost.com

97 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 2:06:50pm

The shoes match too. That could be him, all right.

98 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 2:07:31pm

So he shot a woman before shooting the two cops? Sounds like a murder-suicide spree.

99 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 2:08:18pm

Has Jim Hoft uncovered his political party affiliation yet?

100 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 2:09:31pm
101 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 2:10:46pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

And now, another awesome Russian guitar mangler…

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very fine playing, the sound overall reminds me of weather report, wish i had chops like that

but i keep on wondering when american music is gonna start innovating again stylistically instead of reworking late 20th century idioms

most of the stuff i hear could have been played 30 years ago without surprising anybody

102 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 2:14:15pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Those pants in the image from Facebook do match the photos from the scene.

nypost.com

A twitter acct about “Dontrunup”: twitter.com

103 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 2:17:42pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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Well you know Black folks aren’t allowed to have mental instability issues—that’s reserved for white people, so they can get out of charges. ///

104 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 2:18:16pm

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The question about where we atheists get out values from is not entirely unfair. But the thing is, there are no objective moral values regardless of whether God exists. Just as there can be no objectively tasty food. Values are always in the eye of the beholder. If God exists, his take on the values is just his opinion.

Now, one may believe in objective values - I find that not quite rational but whatever. But when someone says that the values are ontologically grounded in God - that is just a statement of faith. It’s not any sort of a logical derivation. An atheist who believes in objective moral values can supply assert that they exist as part of being itself - and she will be on exactly the same footing as any theist.

So belief in objective moral values doesn’t require God. If morality is the only reason to believe in a deity, I’m afraid I’m this case Occam’s razor is pretty merciless.

too easy for a right winger to misunderstand you and think you say you believe in “relativistic morality”

i just tell them “if you don’t hurt people only because you think god will punish you if you do, and not because you couldn’t possibly live with yourself if you harmed another living thing, your conception of morality is merely childish and possibly even sociopathic”

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2014 2:18:27pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Not good.

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But it’s still too soon to talk about gun control…

106 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 20, 2014 2:19:08pm

Here we go

Brooklyn Shooter a Muslim, Posted Anti-Police Messages
Donotlink

107 Varek Raith  Dec 20, 2014 2:22:18pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Dammit.

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 20, 2014 2:23:36pm

“Serve and Protect the 1%”

109 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 2:25:23pm

Here’s how the NY Post is playing those killings:

2 NYPD cops shot dead ‘execution style’ as ‘revenge’ for Garner

nypost.com

“The gunman was a fugitive who had just murdered his girlfriend in Baltimore Saturday morning, sources told The Post.

“Minutes after shooting the two officers, he, too, was dead.

“He fled to a nearby subway station, the G-train station at Myrtle and Willoughby avenues, where, as pursuing cops closed in, he shot himself on a crowded platform, sources told The Post.” More

110 goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2014 2:26:34pm

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The question about where we atheists get out values from is not entirely unfair. But the thing is, there are no objective moral values regardless of whether God exists. Just as there can be no objectively tasty food. Values are always in the eye of the beholder. If God exists, his take on the values is just his opinion.

Now, one may believe in objective values - I find that not quite rational but whatever. But when someone says that the values are ontologically grounded in God - that is just a statement of faith. It’s not any sort of a logical derivation. An atheist who believes in objective moral values can supply assert that they exist as part of being itself - and she will be on exactly the same footing as any theist.

So belief in objective moral values doesn’t require God. If morality is the only reason to believe in a deity, I’m afraid I’m this case Occam’s razor is pretty merciless.

Look at the Thuggee cult. They thought their Goddess’s moral values required them to strangle as many motherfuckers as they possibly could. I also don’t like using the terms objective and moral together. In my mind it is ethics that are objective and structured in logic, whereas morality is always subjective.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2014 2:27:51pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

Just like those two Bundy Ranch supporters who killed two cops.

Oh, wait…

112 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 2:33:05pm

NYPD official confirms 2 officers shot in patrol car in Brooklyn, NY, have died - @nytimes

nytimes.com

113 Lancelot Link  Dec 20, 2014 2:40:33pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

There was a certain group who wore “Gott Mit Uns” on their uniforms.
Their moral values were not necessarily the best by our standards.

114 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 2:45:33pm

What ever you do, do not read the comments on this story. They want the Governor Mayor to be impeached or arrested for some reason. Then there’s “Where is Al Sharpton?” Ugh.

I’m sad those officers were killed, like I am sad for Mike Brown, Tamir, John, Von Derrit, Powell…etc.

This world..

sigh..

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 20, 2014 2:49:04pm

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

One should not be believing in god for a mandated set of rules or because they fear punishment or desire reward. That is not free will. One should chose to follow the set of rules given because they can be, demonstratively, shown to give people better lives when followed. As I’ve said elsewhere, orthopraxy is far more important than orthodoxy.

Which just points out how bad most of American Christians _are_ at following the teachings they claim to believe.

I may have to write up another chunk of my essay… Hopefully I’ll get some more comments than last time if i do.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 20, 2014 2:49:37pm

Later.

Off to start training in cooking what Pizza Hut calls pizza.

117 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 20, 2014 2:49:53pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just like those two Bundy Ranch supporters who killed two cops.

Oh, wait…

Now that they can use this to get their racial hate-on, the RWNJs will be digging out those “support your local police” bumper stickers as we speak. Those cop killing ammo-sexuals and sovereign citizens will be swept under the rug as the right-wing suddenly becomes the policeman’s best friend.

118 Kid A  Dec 20, 2014 2:55:19pm

Found this bumper sticker today.

119 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 2:58:04pm

re: #118 Kid A

Found this bumper sticker today.

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I read a story on that a while back (which, I believe, someone here posted); damn, that was fucking insane.

120 Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2014 2:58:18pm

I know I’m gonna scrupulously avoid reading commentary on other sites regarding this horrific incident in BedStuy because it’s gonna be little more than a vile cesspool. Well, not here on LGF, naturally, but I’m thinking like the NY Post, etc.

From what I’m gleaning, the shooter is basically a spree killer - he allegedly murdered his girlfriend in MD, then decided to continue his rampage in NYC.

Sounds to me like a straight-up spree killing, but of course, we here on LGF know that ain’t gonna stop the RWNJ’s from getting all worked up into a frenzy.

RIP to the two NYPD officers and the young woman he apparently killed as well.

121 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:00:16pm

I just don’t think that guy who killed he cops was doing it to “avenge” Eric Garner.

After all, he killed his girlfriend this morning in Baltimore (why?) and that wouldn’t seem to have any connection. He knew he would go down for that, and just decided to do as much mayhem as he could before offing himself in the subway where he had no out.

What he posted on his Instagram acct was more than likely just boasting and beating his chest out of frustration.

I can feel sadness at the killings, but I can’t know what this guy’s life was like, either, although it seems very likely he was just another person on the margins of society. There are far too many like him who will never be able to cope very well, if at all, and that is pretty scary, no matter where they’re coming from.

122 Kid A  Dec 20, 2014 3:01:11pm

re: #119 TedStriker

I read a story on that a while back (which, I believe, someone here posted); damn, that was fucking insane.

“I went with two dollars in my pocket. You do the math.” -Tim Russert

123 Kid A  Dec 20, 2014 3:01:58pm

re: #119 TedStriker
10 Cent Beer Night

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2014 3:02:33pm
125 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:02:51pm

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Oof, so many mistakes. That’s what I get for typing on a mobile phone.

126 Kid A  Dec 20, 2014 3:03:50pm

re: #119 TedStriker

While “Ten-cent Beer Night” was crazy, “Disco Demolition Night” at old Comiskey in 1979 was in a different universe.

127 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:09:37pm

re: #104 dog philosopher

too easy for a right winger to misunderstand you and think you say you believe in “relativistic morality”

i just tell them “if you don’t hurt people only because you think god will punish you if you do, and not because you couldn’t possibly live with yourself if you harmed another living thing, your conception of morality is merely childish and possibly even sociopathic”

I certainly do believe in relativistic morality - because I reject absolute morality.

I am not, however, a moral nihilist. I have a set of subjective values, some of which are just there, and some of which can be derived rationally. Moral nihilism denies any kind of morality - objective and subjective. Notably, it is possible to be a theist and a moral nihilist at the same time. These two are not necessarily contradictory.

Moreover, I would argue that classical theistic morality is in effect just like moral nihilism. A nihilist doesn’t believe in any values, and the classical theism basically asserts that whatever God decrees is good by def. Which means that, for example, when God decreed the annihilation of Amalekites - including children - it was good and proper. When you believe that genocide is good just because God told you so, that’s really not that much different from nihilism.

128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:19:44pm

Here’s an able defender of classical theism, William Lane Craig, defending the murder of children:

reasonablefaith.org

But why take the lives of innocent children? The terrible totality of the destruction was undoubtedly related to the prohibition of assimilation to pagan nations on Israel’s part. In commanding complete destruction of the Canaanites, the Lord says, “You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons, or taking their daughters for your sons, for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods” (Deut 7.3-4). This command is part and parcel of the whole fabric of complex Jewish ritual law distinguishing clean and unclean practices.
[…]
By setting such strong, harsh dichotomies God taught Israel that any assimilation to pagan idolatry is intolerable. It was His way of preserving Israel’s spiritual health and posterity. God knew that if these Canaanite children were allowed to live, they would spell the undoing of Israel. The killing of the Canaanite children not only served to prevent assimilation to Canaanite identity but also served as a shattering, tangible illustration of Israel’s being set exclusively apart for God.

Moreover, if we believe, as I do, that God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children, the death of these children was actually their salvation. We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives.

So whom does God wrong in commanding the destruction of the Canaanites? Not the Canaanite adults, for they were corrupt and deserving of judgement. Not the children, for they inherit eternal life. So who is wronged? Ironically, I think the most difficult part of this whole debate is the apparent wrong done to the Israeli soldiers themselves. Can you imagine what it would be like to have to break into some house and kill a terrified woman and her children? The brutalizing effect on these Israeli soldiers is disturbing.

Please tell me how is this so very different from moral nihilism.

129 team_fukit  Dec 20, 2014 3:20:09pm
130 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 3:20:33pm

re: #127 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I certainly do believe in relativistic morality - because I reject absolute morality.

I am not, however, a moral nihilist. I have a set of subjective values, some of which are just there, and some of which can be derived rationally. Moral nihilism denies any kind of morality - objective and subjective. Notably, it is possible to be a theist and a moral nihilist at the same time. These two are not necessarily contradictory.

Moreover, I would argue that classical theistic morality is in effect just like moral nihilism. A nihilist doesn’t believe in any values, and the classical theism basically asserts that whatever God decrees is good by def. Which means that, for example, when God decreed the annihilation of Amalekites - including children - it was good and proper. When you believe that genocide is good just because God told you so, that’s really not that much different from nihilism.

ok, but how does the proposition

“harming other living beings intentionally (when you are not in danger of being harmed by them) is, ipso facto, evil”

fare under your system?

131 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:22:39pm

re: #130 dog philosopher

ok, but how does the proposition

“harming other living beings intentionally (when you are not in danger of being harmed by them) is, ipso facto, evil”

fare under your system?

It is evil in my moral system. It obviously wasn’t evil in many other moral systems, hence the world we live in.

132 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:23:54pm
133 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 3:24:12pm

re: #118 Kid A

Found this bumper sticker today.

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10 cent beer night, the burning Cuyahoga river, pro sports futility…and Pere Ubu are what Cleveland is all about!

Love Cleveland.

134 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:25:49pm

I’m also wondering if the report that the shooter in Bed-Stuy actually killed his girlfriend in Baltimore is true?

The only incident I could find was this report of a shooting in Owings Mills:

baltimoresun.com

“The shooting was reported just before 6 a.m. in the 10000 block of Mill Run Circle in the complex near the parking lot of the former Owings Mills Mall. Police said the woman was shot in the abdomen by a male whom she knew.

“The victim was transported in serious condition to an area hospital for treatment.” More

135 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 3:25:59pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It is evil in my moral system. It obviously wasn’t evil in many other moral systems, hence the world we live in.

according to some working definition of “relativistic morality”, that is, my interpretation of it, then in this particular your morality is not relativistic since you hold in this regard a firm conviction of its evilness regardless of circumstances

136 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 3:26:42pm

re: #126 Kid A

While “Ten-cent Beer Night” was crazy, “Disco Demolition Night” at old Comiskey in 1979 was in a different universe.

Yeah, I read about that too…

137 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:29:34pm

re: #135 dog philosopher

according to some working definition of “relativistic morality”, that is, my interpretation of it, then in this particular your morality is not relativistic since you hold in this regard a firm conviction of its evilness regardless of circumstances

I would distinguish between situational and relativistic morality. What you mean is situational morality, where goodness or evilness of something depends on the situation (I would argue that any healthy morality is in part situational; lying is wrong, but lying to the Nazis about hiding the Jews isn’t). Relativistic morality on the other hand is relative to the person.

138 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2014 3:31:15pm

OH HAI

My son has installed Teh Internets. Now Canada is caught up to the rest of the world.

139 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 3:31:20pm

Hey everyone.

140 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:31:52pm

re: #139 #FergusonFireside

Hey everyone.

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“Drink this and go to hell!”

141 Varek Raith  Dec 20, 2014 3:32:27pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“Drink this and go to hell!”

And if I drink it while in Hell???

142 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 3:32:30pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI

My son has installed Teh Internets. Now Canada is caught up to the rest of the world.

Did he use a COL (Canada On Line) Disk?

RBS

143 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 3:32:40pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“Drink this and go to hell!”

The subject of this thread proves they have a ticket waiting.

144 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 3:33:00pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“Drink this and go to hell!”

It must have butter in it.

//

145 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:33:26pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

And if I drink it while in Hell???

Then:

Malkovich? Malkovich

146 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:33:57pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

And if I drink it while in Hell???

Hell is only in your mind.

Or in Compton.

147 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 3:35:20pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

And if I drink it while in Hell???

Coffee break is over, everyone back on their heads.

148 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 3:36:39pm

re: #137 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I would distinguish between situational and relativistic morality. What you mean is situational morality, where goodness or evilness of something depends on the situation (I would argue that any healthy morality is in part situational; lying is wrong, but lying to the Nazis about hiding the Jews isn’t). Relativistic morality on the other hand is relative to the person.

a nice distinction, but more often i find myself in the position of responding to something like this:

“neaow i know you liberals believe in einstein when he says everything is relative, therefore you teach your children that everything is relative including morals, like situational or relativistic ethics and such like, but if everything is relative and you have no fixed morals or ethics, and you decide what is right or wrong by your fallible human self according to each situation, then what are you going to tell beelzebub when he is shoving a red hot iron pineapple up your ass for all eternity, huh what about that buster??”

149 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:36:44pm

The commenters on this don’t understand racism.

150 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 3:37:09pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

“Drink this and go to hell!”

oo! oo! oo! one for me!!

151 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:37:41pm

re: #148 dog philosopher

Then we’re back to square one.

152 Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2014 3:37:53pm

There is such a thing as a Fart Gun. Someone gave one to the 4 yr old for Christmas (Christmas under the Deb calendar).

153 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:39:04pm

re: #151 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Then we’re back to square one.

Or, to rephrase my first comment on this topic: nobody can really “prove” their morality. Not theists, not atheists.

154 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:40:06pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

There is such a thing as a Fart Gun. Someone gave one to the 4 yr old for Christmas (Christmas under the Deb calendar).

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Hopefully it brings not only audial, but also olfactory joy.

155 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 3:40:38pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

There is such a thing as a Fart Gun. Someone gave one to the 4 yr old for Christmas (Christmas under the Deb calendar).

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Does it shoot old farts?

156 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 3:41:10pm

re: #154 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Hopefully it brings not only audial, but also olfactory joy.

It does say quite clearly on the box it’s a “Choking Hazard”, so one can only hope.

RBS

157 Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2014 3:41:25pm

re: #2 Mike R

I am with you on the disgust. It appears that citizens of the USA want to claim exceptionalism, but being such is apparently too much work. Wtf happened to us? Maybe we have always been a selfish, self deluded lot of oafs and ne’er do wells and wanna bes.

This article I read the other day seems to support your contention.

We are f***ing sadists: We are not decent, and we are not a democracy.

158 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:42:15pm

Furzkanone.

159 Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2014 3:42:32pm

re: #154 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Hopefully it brings not only audial, but also olfactory joy.

The one pictured is banana-scented. Ours seems blessedly scent-free, or loaded with something like hydrogen sulphide, that causes olfactory fatigue.

160 Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2014 3:43:23pm

re: #155 ObserverArt

Does it shoot old farts?

Did for all the old farts here.

161 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:43:27pm

re: #148 dog philosopher

a nice distinction, but more often i find myself in the position of responding to something like this:

“neaow i know you liberals believe in einstein when he says everything is relative, therefore you teach your children that everything is relative including morals, like situational or relativistic ethics and such like, but if everything is relative and you have no fixed morals or ethics, and you decide what is right or wrong by your fallible human self according to each situation, then what are you going to tell beelzebub when he is shoving a red hot iron pineapple up your ass for all eternity, huh what about that buster??”

I remember the religious right getting all het up over “moral relativism” back in the 80s (IIR the decade correctly).

They want absolutes. They won’t get them.

162 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:44:13pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

There is such a thing as a Fart Gun. Someone gave one to the 4 yr old for Christmas (Christmas under the Deb calendar).

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The 5 yr old wants one. : )

163 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 3:45:06pm

When Fart Gus are outlawed then only Outlaws will have Fart Guns.

164 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:45:40pm

re: #163 b.d.

When Fart Gus are outlawed then only Outlaws will have Fart Guns.

Now, there…

165 Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2014 3:46:38pm

re: #163 b.d.

When Fart Gus are outlawed then only Outlaws will have Fart Guns.

I will get his fart gun when I pry it from his sticky, candy-coated fingers.

166 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 3:46:51pm

re: #164 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Now, there…

Ooooops.

Ya know, I’m not going to edit it.

:P

It sure was good to see Gus in the comments earlier, I guess my subconscious took over.

167 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 3:48:44pm

T-shirts: Fart guns stink!

168 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:50:13pm

The crux of the comments? Quit fucking up our shopping sprees.

169 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:51:31pm

Shopping takes precedence over valuing lives, doncha know.

170 Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2014 3:52:56pm

re: #19 Justanotherhuman

Video: Message on a large monitor in the Mall of America telling protesters that they will be subject to arrest if they continue to demonstrate there - nekimal on Instagram

instagram.com

We don’t care.

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That mall is owned by Canadians.

171 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 3:53:09pm

Diarist over at DailyKos displays his new cover for The Nation magazine in his post.

dailykos.com

172 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 3:54:19pm

re: #171 b.d.

Fuck the nation. A buncha Putin apologists.

173 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 3:57:25pm

re: #172 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Fuck the nation. A buncha Putin apologists.

Not sure if I’ve ever read it. RussiaToday in print form?

It must be really hard being a Putin apologist these days.

btw, I wonder how Snowden is enjoying his Russian winter?

174 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 3:57:48pm

re: #170 Romantic Heretic

That mall is owned by Canadians.

We still don’t care. : ) It’s in the US.

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2014 3:58:07pm

very good advice…

176 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 3:58:25pm

Rural note:
The neighbors’ small herd of cows (11 cows, 6 calves) found a hole in the fence and is wandering around the acres here. They can’t find the hole to get back home, and are mooing loudly for help.

177 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 3:59:39pm

These cows herd like cats.

178 Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2014 3:59:57pm

re: #176 jaunte

Rural note:
The neighbors’ small herd of cows (11 cows, 6 calves) found a hole in the fence and is wandering around the acres here. They can’t find the hole to get back home, and are mooing loudly for help.

How is your charcoal supply?

179 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 4:00:01pm

re: #173 b.d.

Not sure if I’ve ever read it. RussiaToday in print form?

It must be really hard being a Putin apologist these days.

btw, I wonder how Snowden is enjoying his Russian winter?

thenation.com
thenation.com
thenation.com

Also: slate.com

180 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 4:01:19pm

re: #173 b.d.

Not sure if I’ve ever read it. RussiaToday in print form?

It must be really hard being a Putin apologist these days.

btw, I wonder how Snowden is enjoying his Russian winter?

181 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 4:01:26pm

Every calf with a cow chaperon evidently just said “let’s split up!”

182 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 4:02:48pm

re: #179 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

thenation.com
thenation.com
thenation.com

Also: slate.com

Cohen is married to the editor, publisher and part owner: Katrina vanden Heuvel

183 Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2014 4:02:57pm

re: #48 stpaulbear

Thanks for posting this. It’s pathetic how much really rotten behavior that religion can justify.

And, as you implied in your first sentence, you don’t have to be religious in order to be a good person. There is no connection what-so-ever.

We’re way overdue for another enlightenment.

It’s only because religion is so common that things appear this way. Especially in the States which has a huge population of believers compared to the other developed countries.

But any belief system will do. As places like the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany have shown.

As I’ve noted before many people use beliefs as excuses, not guidelines.

184 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 4:04:22pm

Well,

Editor’s note: We’re seeing numerous reports that the suspect in the NYPD police shooting may have posted information on social media prior to the shooting, and that he may be connected to a shooting in Baltimore. However, neither NYPD or Baltimore County Police and Fire officials have confirmed the identity of the shooter or confirmed any connection. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton are expected to hold a press conference at 7pm ET. We’ll update accordingly. - Jimmy
end of note

185 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 4:04:34pm

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

Cohen is married to the editor, publisher and part owner: Katrina vanden Heuvel

Yes, and sometimes they write Putinist agitptop together.

186 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 4:07:23pm
187 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:07:37pm

re: #179 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

thenation.com
thenation.com
thenation.com

Also: slate.com

Oh my, LEAVE PUTIN ALONE!!!

Thanks for the education I-M V

188 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 4:08:56pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

189 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:09:55pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Walter Cronkite would have repeatedly punched Chuck C Johnson on the nose.

190 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 4:10:41pm

Here’s a typical example of Cohen’s Goebbelsian tactics:

thenation.com

On May 2, in this incendiary atmosphere, a horrific event occurred in the southern city of Odessa, awakening memories of Nazi German extermination squads in Ukraine and other Soviet republics during World War II. An organized pro-Kiev mob chased protesters into a building, set it on fire and tried to block the exits. Some forty people, perhaps more, perished in the flames or were murdered as they fled the inferno. A still unknown number of other victims were seriously injured.

What Cohen doesn’t mention:

1. The “protesters” were an organized mob with weapons and Molotov cocktails.
2. They attacked the pro-Kiev protesters.
3. After they were chased into the building, they continued to shoot at the people outside, thus provoking an exchange of Molotovs which led to the tragedy.
4. After the fire broke out, the pro-Kiev protesters helped those who managed to escape from the building. Not one of the escapees was murdered.

To repeat: fuck the nation.

191 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 4:11:01pm

re: #189 b.d.

Walter Cronkite would have repeatedly punched Chuck C Johnson on the nose.

Will Rogers never met Charles C. Johnson.

RBS

192 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:11:13pm

Can we put a fight between Ezra Klein and Chuck C Johnson on Pay Per View?

193 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 4:15:11pm

re: #192 b.d.

Can we put a fight between Ezra Klein and Chuck C Johnson on Pay Per View?

I understand that The Sultan has already pitched it to HBO as the promoter.

194 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:17:00pm

While we’re on the subject of Putin stooges who have extended their 15 minutes a little too far.

Julian Assange says he will leave Ecuadorian embassy soon

theguardian.com

Monday 18 August 2014

195 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:18:04pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

I understand that The Sultan has already pitched it to HBO as the promoter.

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I am sure that Chuck C has a few black belts that he hasn’t told us about yet.

//

196 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:19:16pm

Trap setter extraordinaire!

197 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 4:22:51pm

re: #194 b.d.

While we’re on the subject of Putin stooges who have extended their 15 minutes a little too far.

theguardian.com

Monday 18 August 2014

“Assange also declined to respond in detail to suggestions reported in an interview with him on Sunday that he had potentially life-threatening health problems, saying only that the embassy was “an environment in which any healthy person would find themselves soon enough with certain difficulties that they would have to manage”.

So, he’s going to Russia under the Ecuador Embassy mantle, I assume. Perhaps he has been granted Ecuador citizenship and it’s do-able?

I don’t think British foreign secretary Philip Hammond is going to give him a pass to leave otherwise.

198 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 4:23:05pm

re: #195 b.d.

I am sure that Chuck C has a few black belts that he hasn’t told us about yet.

//

Or that it’s difficult playing 3-D chess in a 2-D world.

/a little LGF inside baseball

199 Amory Blaine  Dec 20, 2014 4:23:29pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

And now, another awesome Russian guitar mangler…

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Video

Looks like he’s rocking one of these bad-ass modelers.

Kemper Profiler Head

200 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 4:23:39pm

re: #196 b.d.

Trap setter extraordinaire!

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Man punches bear trap. (Goes about how you expected)

Dieter Puts his Hand in a Beartrap

201 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 4:26:31pm

12 arrested in protest at Minnesota’s Mall of America - @StarTribune

startribune.com

Safety? Really? You do disappoint, MoA.

“We are extremely disappointed that organizers of Black Lives Matter protest chose to ignore our stated policy and repeated reminders that political protests and demonstrations are not allowed on Mall of America property,” mall officials said in a statement Saturday afternoon. ” It’s clear from their actions that these political activists were more concerned about making a political statement and creating a media event than they were about the safety of others, who came to Mall of America for an afternoon of shopping and family entertainment.”

202 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 4:27:08pm

Wait. Now I understand. He tries to imitate the trollface.

Image: Vutvr1Hk.jpeg

203 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 4:27:24pm

re: #200 RealityBasedSteve

Man punches bear trap. (Goes about how you expected)

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Video

Was someone holding his beer?

204 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 4:30:40pm

re: #200 RealityBasedSteve

Man punches bear trap. (Goes about how you expected)

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Video

Hmm, it wasn’t that bad. Shoulda been worse. Stupidity must be punished.

205 Kid A  Dec 20, 2014 4:31:16pm

re: #202 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

That’s a really bad photo. Did that douchenozzle Peter Duke shoot that?

206 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 4:32:32pm

re: #205 Kid A

That’s a really bad photo. Did that douchenozzle Peter Duke shoot that?

I’m sure he did. Chucky looks like a corpse.

207 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 4:32:43pm
208 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 4:33:16pm

re: #201 Justanotherhuman

12 arrested in protest at Minnesota’s Mall of America - @StarTribune

startribune.com

Safety? Really? You do disappoint, MoA.

“We are extremely disappointed that organizers of Black Lives Matter protest chose to ignore our stated policy and repeated reminders that political protests and demonstrations are not allowed on Mall of America property,” mall officials said in a statement Saturday afternoon. ” It’s clear from their actions that these political activists were more concerned about making a political statement and creating a media event than they were about the safety of others, who came to Mall of America for an afternoon of shopping and family entertainment.”

Big surprise there, isn’t it? Don’t make people uncomfortable and get in the way of the money machine we have going on here.

209 prairiefire  Dec 20, 2014 4:34:40pm

ABC Family is keeping us fed on a steady diet of “elf”, “Christmas Vacation”…w atched “Scrooged” a little bit ago, so I cam mark that off the list.

210 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 4:35:43pm
211 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 4:36:05pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Rattled, eh.

212 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 4:37:09pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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Sensitive little snowflake isn’t he.

RBS

213 makeitstop  Dec 20, 2014 4:40:01pm

I just walked in. What the hell did Turd-Boy do this time?

214 Kid A  Dec 20, 2014 4:40:06pm
215 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:41:38pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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Hahahaha. Chuck is telling traffic reporters to f off?

His day started off with OASIS Vice-President Wil Wheaton blocking him to him arguing with traffic reporters.

216 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 4:43:41pm

I refuse to turn on the news. Reading tweets about CNN’s coverage of this is enough…

217 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 4:45:39pm

re: #216 Jenner7

I refuse to turn on the news. Reading tweets about CNN’s coverage of this is enough…

It happening in NY turns this thing up to 11. Anything that happens on the east coast skews the freakout meter bad.

218 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 4:51:18pm

So I guess they’re just going to dispense with the “wait for all the facts” business.

219 makeitstop  Dec 20, 2014 4:53:49pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

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So I guess they’re just going to dispense with the “wait for all the facts” business.

We were listening to 1010 WINS on the way home from the city, and they were saying that the attacker killed the cops, then ran into a subway station and killed himself.

This really isn’t making sense right now.

220 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 4:53:56pm
221 sagehen  Dec 20, 2014 4:55:31pm

re: #133 ObserverArt

10 cent beer night, the burning Cuyahoga river, pro sports futility…and Pere Ubu are what Cleveland is all about!

Love Cleveland.

and Drew Carey

Drew Carey Theme Song Extended

222 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 4:55:55pm

And now we have the cops losing their shit. More than before.

223 makeitstop  Dec 20, 2014 4:57:59pm

re: #222 #FergusonFireside

And now we have the cops losing their shit. More than before.

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Yeah, that’ll help.

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WTF are they thinking?

224 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 4:58:58pm

re: #223 makeitstop

Yeah, that’ll help.

/////

WTF are they thinking?

Circling the fucking wagons.

225 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 5:00:15pm

re: #222 #FergusonFireside

And now we have the cops losing their shit. More than before.

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And to issue something like that, knowing that in today’s world that will be spread hither and yon before 90% of their members read it.

RBS

226 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 20, 2014 5:00:37pm

American Christians have effectively created a brand new religion the past 150 years. It is American-centric, idealized on a rural, usually Southern-based point of view. Gone is the merciful, multicultural figure of Jesus as told in the Bible. It is all based on the Paulian figure of political and denominational unity to achieve a territorial and ideological goal.

Part of the ideology is substituting the notion of the Noble (White Southern) American as a substitute for the classical Jesus martyr figure and the Rapture/End Times as the objective to achieve. It is this new religion that has taken control of a large part of American religious fervor and political and business reins of power. Torture is merely a means to achieve an end. And when following the Paulian religious tradition perfectly acceptable.

227 makeitstop  Dec 20, 2014 5:00:40pm

re: #224 Targetpractice

Circling the fucking wagons.

This is not going to end well.

It’s us vs. them as far as NYPD is concerned - and we’re ‘them.’

I might just stay away from NYC for a while.

228 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:01:05pm
229 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 5:03:48pm

re: #223 makeitstop

Yeah, that’ll help.

/////

WTF are they thinking?

It’s us against them. That’s how they see it.

230 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 5:04:12pm

re: #222 #FergusonFireside

And now we have the cops losing their shit. More than before.

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I thought those guys were getting good pay and an envious retirement plan because they had a dangerous job to begin with?

America’s 10 Deadliest Jobs

1. Logging workers
2. Fishers and related fishing workers
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4. Roofers
5. Structural iron and steel workers
6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
10. Construction laborers

forbes.com

231 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 5:04:36pm

re: #228 jaunte

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No offense, Josh, but the PBA just started a campaign the other day to have cops send the mayor’s office letters stating they did not want his presence at their funerals if they were killed in the line of duty. He has accused the mayor of “throwing cops under the bus.” Until proven otherwise, this statement fits the PBA’s rhetoric since the Garner decision.

232 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 5:05:47pm

re: #227 makeitstop

This is not going to end well.

It’s us vs. them as far as NYPD is concerned - and we’re ‘them.’

I might just stay away from NYC for a while.

Let’s call it like it is: Black male Muslims are the target for the foreseeable future.

233 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 5:07:47pm

There are major 3 monotheistic religions on the planet:

Christianity, Judaism and Islam

That is too many for some.

234 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 5:08:10pm

Yeah, this sucks. The protests weren’t anti police. You fucking paranoid above the law men in blue felt they were, because you could not admit your faults. Oh boy.

235 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:08:22pm
236 makeitstop  Dec 20, 2014 5:08:40pm

re: #232 b.d.

Let’s call it like it is: Black male Muslims are the target for the foreseeable future.

I’m an old white dude, and I can assure you that I’m just as scared of NYPD as anyone else right now.

Hell, anyone who gets pulled over for a traffic stop is pretty much fair game, IMO. For the PBA to ratchet up the rhetoric to that degree is absolutely irresponsible.

People are gonna get killed.

237 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:13:52pm

The domestic violence/suicide part of this story isn’t nearly as attractive to reporters as the police assassination aspect.

238 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 5:15:44pm

re: #222 #FergusonFireside

And now we have the cops losing their shit. More than before.

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This may be where that originated: cliffviewpilot.com

I’ve searched the NYC PBA site and can’t find it anywhere

239 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 5:16:50pm

re: #226 Rocky-in-Connecticut

American Christians have effectively created a brand new religion the past 150 years. It is American-centric, idealized on a rural, usually Southern-based point of view. Gone is the merciful, multicultural figure of Jesus as told in the Bible. It is all based on the Paulian figure of political and denominational unity to achieve a territorial and ideological goal.

Part of the ideology is substituting the notion of the Noble (White Southern) American as a substitute for the classical Jesus martyr figure and the Rapture/End Times as the objective to achieve. It is this new religion that has taken control of a large part of American religious fervor and political and business reins of power. Torture is merely a means to achieve an end. And when following the Paulian religious tradition perfectly acceptable.

Who says? Paul liberalized Christianity, which would have remained a small and exclusive Jewish sect if not for Paul’s universalism. It was the NT Jesus who was an apocalyptic, non-multicultural (see the Canaanite woman episode) preacher talking about fire, brimstone and eternal torture in hell. (What the historical Jesus preached, if he existed, is another issue, but he was most probably also an apocalyptic preacher).

240 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 5:18:48pm

re: #237 jaunte

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The domestic violence/suicide part of this story isn’t nearly as attractive to reporters as the police assassination aspect.

Based upon the commissioner’s remarks tonight, I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

241 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 5:21:13pm
242 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 5:26:03pm

Dear Wingnuts:

The difference is that I think that all killings of innocent people is wrong.

243 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 5:30:42pm

em>re: #242 b.d.

Dear Wingnuts:

The difference is that I think that all killings of innocent people is wrong.

Yeah, if dude didn’t kill himself, we wouldn’t have raised 500K for him.

244 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 5:31:29pm
245 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:32:44pm
246 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 5:34:24pm

re: #245 jaunte

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Shall we start taking bets on whether or not the shooter was mentally ill?

247 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 5:37:02pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Shall we start taking bets on whether or not the shooter was mentally ill?

Don’t matter. Won’t matter.

248 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:38:18pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department 1987-1997 ‘Suicide by Cop’ study:

“Thirty-nine percent of cases involved domestic violence.”
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

249 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 5:39:07pm

They have lost their shit.

250 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:41:07pm

re: #249 #FergusonFireside

251 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 5:42:00pm

re: #250 jaunte

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No, the scariest answer: Anyone who’s not a cop.

252 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 5:42:11pm

re: #249 #FergusonFireside

This hysterical little man is irritating.

253 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 5:44:56pm
254 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 5:45:04pm

re: #249 #FergusonFireside

They have lost their shit.

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Saw another statement saying the blood of those officers was on Mayor D’Blasio’s hands, or words to that effect.

Terrible tragedy today in Bklyn, but police leadership seems to regard itself as a privileged class that can’t be criticized. They’ll all the “man on the wall”, etc.

255 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 5:45:05pm

He’ll also get someone killed.

256 darthstar  Dec 20, 2014 5:46:54pm

Two dead cops - very sad. Internet rhetoric fueled by irresponsible network coverage - intolerable. We don’t know why this happened. The suspect is dead. But the networks won’t be happy until there are a bunch of revenge killings to drive ratings. Time to turn off the internet for a while.

Peace, everyone.

257 darthstar  Dec 20, 2014 5:47:25pm

re: #254 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Saw another statement saying the blood of those officers was on Mayor D’Blasio’s hands, or words to that effect.

Terrible tragedy today in Bklyn, but police leadership seems to regard itself as a privileged class that can’t be criticized. They’ll all the “man on the wall”, etc.

That was from another PD’s twitter account. That’s why I’m signing out for a while.

258 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 5:47:40pm

re: #228 jaunte

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yeah that must be the one I saw. Hope it proves to have been a fake.

259 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 5:47:44pm

Since this thing is so earth shattering, the NYPD is going to cancel all Christmas leave for all of their officers?

//?

260 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 5:48:25pm

re: #249 #FergusonFireside

They have lost their shit.

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re: #252 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

This hysterical little man is irritating.

I’m sorry, but while I appreciate the position that DeBlasio is in, he needs to pull rank and remind the NYPD, starting with Bratton and Lynch, that he was elected to run the city, not them.

261 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 5:48:50pm

re: #258 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

yeah that must be the one I saw. Hope it proves to have been a fake.

Rob Nelson from ABC seems to be confirming it.

262 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 5:50:19pm

Nice to log onto LGF from home laptop where I can upding with abandon and quote and all that stuff.

263 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:50:24pm

re: #258 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Maybe someone in the organization will come to their senses and issue a second statement to reel that in a bit.

264 Varek Raith  Dec 20, 2014 5:50:45pm

Lots of assholes in the comments at raw story trying to justify this.
FFS, people are stupid.

265 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:51:53pm
266 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 20, 2014 5:52:52pm

re: #249 #FergusonFireside

They have lost their shit.

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This guy is former LAPD & FBI profiler:

@AllThingsHLS: Nobody’s gonna like this but when 2 cops are shot point blank in their car or in a coffee shop in Lacy, WA, somebody’s not paying attention

267 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 5:53:10pm

re: #264 Varek Raith

Lots of assholes in the comments at raw story trying to justify this.
FFS, people are stupid.

Rule #1 of the internets: never read the comments.

268 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 5:53:47pm

re: #267 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Rule #1 of the internets: never read the comments.

Except here, of course.

269 Varek Raith  Dec 20, 2014 5:54:04pm

re: #267 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Rule #1 of the internets: never read the comments.

I know!
Zod, help me.

270 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 5:54:07pm

re: #265 jaunte

Could be a fake, but could be (and I suspect is) simple backpedaling.

271 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 5:54:43pm

re: #267 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Rule #1 of the internets: never read the comments.

It’s not just the comments. Too many “legit” news outlets pounce on gossip and fake internet info.

Real journalism is dead.

272 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:54:59pm

This Jerry DeMarco guy who put up the ‘hands dipping with blood’ story
cliffviewpilot.com
sounds a little like Chuck C.:

“It warms me no end to have an extremely well-known Law Enforcement Officer approach me at a BBQ last month and say: “I haven’t met one cop who’s had a bad word to say about you.” And by journos, she was incl. your people, as well as a former troop member now aboard a sinking ship of his own.

“Yeah, I figured my nat’l awards, my putting people behind bars, changing public policy, getting crooked officials out of office, teaching young reporters who went on to great jobs entitled me to tell people to fuck off. Truth is, I liked reminding the Scandales of the world of that guy who dated the girls in high school who wouldn’t even look at him, who was out partying while he was home studying &amp;amp; STILL aced the exam, who gave him the daily wedgie.

“All those joys are juvenile pleasures, of course — but pleasing nonetheless. But this … now … I’ve been reluctant to say these things, primarily because I’ve always suspected people who did wouldn’t need to say it if it were true.
eyeontherecord.blogspot.com

273 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 5:55:05pm

re: #270 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Could be a fake, but could be (and I suspect is) simple backpedaling.

Agreed, unless they can explain why it looks like came from official channels, I’m going to conclude that this got in the open when they didn’t expect it to and are now trying to cover their asses.

274 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 5:55:05pm

re: #270 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Could be a fake, but could be (and I suspect is) simple backpedaling.

They’re looking for a black guy to blame.

275 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 5:59:03pm
276 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 5:59:07pm

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

It’s not just the comments. Too many “legit” news outlets pounce on gossip and fake internet info.

Real journalism is dead.

Watched a little CNN last night where Wolf Blitzer was all excited about the Sony controversy, trying to get his guests to comment on Obama’s statement, then the Sony chairman’s statement, etc. Senator Angus King of Maine tried to make the larger point that cyber sabotage is a serious problem and potentially a great threat, that the Senate would be taking up legislation, etc. I don’t know what King had in mind but Blitzer couldn’t be bothered to pursue the point. Too caught up in the “he said, he said” debate.

277 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:00:39pm
278 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 6:00:53pm

If the PBA wants to be taken seriously, then they need to get their asses in gear to get us an answer on who’s responsible for that statement. Because somebody is purposefully adding fuel to the fire and may very well get somebody hurt or killed.

279 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:02:46pm

re: #278 Targetpractice

If the PBA wants to be taken seriously, then they need to get their asses in gear to get us an answer on who’s responsible for that statement. Because somebody is purposefully adding fuel to the fire and may very well get somebody hurt or killed.

It’s not an “internet” thing, whether real or not. NYT:

cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com

A statement circulating among officers and members of the police union and delegates blamed Mayor de Blasio for the shootings.

“The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words, actions and policies,” read the statement, “and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.”

The statement instructed officers to forward it to colleagues, and it spread instantly through the department.

So it is “real” in this sense, regardless of authorship.

280 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:03:01pm

re: #275 jaunte

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is that they’re official Twitter? The SBA account? Account claims is it is, but…

281 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:03:47pm

re: #278 Targetpractice

If the PBA wants to be taken seriously, then they need to get their asses in gear to get us an answer on who’s responsible for that statement. Because somebody is purposefully adding fuel to the fire and may very well get somebody hurt or killed.

I don’t think they care. Their id has been revealed. The unarmed killing that they cannot justify has backed them into a corner.

282 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:03:49pm

re: #277 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

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Oh hell, even I can tell that’s a fake site. Esp if anyone can “join”.

members.sbanyc.org

283 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:04:02pm

re: #280 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

is that they’re official Twitter? The SBA account? Account claims is it is, but…

PBA and SBA. Two diff. entities.

284 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:04:56pm

re: #279 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It’s not an “internet” thing, whether real or not. NYT:

cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com

So it is “real” in this sense, regardless of authorship.

285 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:04:58pm

There is a math test before you can join.

286 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:05:07pm

re: #283 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

PBA and SBA. Two diff. entities.

Looks like a legit account, just not the actual PBA one. SBA is just sargeants, retired and active. Assuming that’s a real organization.

287 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:05:35pm

re: #282 Justanotherhuman

Oh hell, even I can tell that’s a fake site. Esp if anyone can “join”.

members.sbanyc.org

It’s not fake and not “everyone can join”. The site is broken. The twitter is real, unless someone posits that someone faked SBA twitter years ago.

288 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:05:53pm

When you google “Sergeants Benevolent Association”, you get:

Sergeants Benevolent Association
sbanyc.org
A description for this result is not available because of this site’s robots.txt - learn more.

289 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:07:47pm

Here’s a copy from Jan. this year:

web.archive.org

290 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:07:54pm

Hacker who obtained blueprints of South Korean nuclear reactors posts internal information on facilities, including floor maps; threatens further ‘leaks’ unless authorities close down reactors - @YonhapNews
read more on yonhapnews.co.kr

291 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:08:46pm

re: #289 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

2002: web.archive.org

292 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:11:03pm

And I bet the SBA guys took that language from that alleged PBA statement, the probability of a pure coincidence is not too big.

293 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:11:38pm

re: #289 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Here’s a copy from Jan. this year:

web.archive.org

OK, then. But you can’t access the newsletter (2012) or the magazine (Summer 2013) because of the robots.txt.

Twitter acct: twitter.com

Hardcore.

294 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:13:05pm

Assholes find this to be a good time for petty politics.

295 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 6:13:06pm
296 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 6:13:25pm

re: #284 #FergusonFireside

[Embedded content]

Heads seriously need to start fucking rolling in the NYPD.

297 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:14:01pm

re: #294 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Assholes find this to be a good time for petty politics.

[Embedded content]

OFFS, Pataki

298 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:14:06pm
299 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:16:16pm

re: #284 #FergusonFireside

[Embedded content]

As someone said above, the cops don’t run NYC, he does.

They would certainly like to, it appears. No way New Yorkers would allow it to become a police state, even though some might.

300 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:17:07pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

Heads seriously need to start fucking rolling in the NYPD.

It’s like a cult or something.

301 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:17:34pm

re: #295 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Wonder what Pataki had to say about Teabagger’s “2nd Amendment Solutions” remarks?

/

302 Bubblehead II  Dec 20, 2014 6:17:51pm

Just stepping in. Christians supporting torture? Let me show you my surprise.

None

Stepping out

303 Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2014 6:19:17pm

re: #233 b.d.

There are major 3 monotheistic religions on the planet:

Christianity, Judaism and Islam

That is too many for some.

In the case of Roman Catholicism I’m not sure that is true.

What with The Holy Trinity, Mary as divine, plus Jesus’s disciples as only a bit less divine on top of a container ship full of saints it seems to me it’s nearly as much a polytheism as Hinduism.

304 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:19:30pm

While I abhor the senseless killing of the two police officers, FFS it’s not as though police officers’ lives are more important than other innocent non-police victims.

“Protect and serve” doesn’t appear to be the meme of the day anymore with everything going on in NYC. Was it really ever?

305 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:20:14pm

What the fuck is this fucking shit

306 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:20:41pm

re: #305 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

What the fuck is this fucking shit

[Embedded content]

Some people seriously still not getting it.

307 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:21:01pm

re: #300 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It’s like a cult or something.

The ultimate fake hero privilege. They are living it.

I am not dancing on the grave of the two killed.

But there is something afloat with this.

308 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:21:21pm

Rural night:

** *** ** ***

armadillo rustles under porch…

# # # # # #

squirrel bounds across roof…

oooh…. ooooh…. oooh

coyotes talking to the owls.

309 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 20, 2014 6:22:08pm

re: #304 Justanotherhuman

While I abhor the senseless killing of the two police officers, FFS it’s not as though police officers’ lives are more important than other innocent non-police victims.

“Protect and serve” doesn’t appear to be the meme of the day anymore with everything going on in NYC. Was it really ever?

Nope.

As I said above, it’s always been “Protect and Serve the 1%”.

310 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:22:14pm

re: #298 jaunte

[Embedded content]

That was his ex-wife, and there was a bitter custody battle going on.

Which tends to enrage. Sounds like his ex-wife, though, was right about his fitness.

311 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 6:22:16pm

For your amusement ladies & gentlemen, the award winning journalist:

312 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:22:48pm

re: #311 b.d.

For your amusement ladies & gentlemen, the award winning journalist:

[Embedded content]

Moar awardwinning journalism…

/

313 Zamb  Dec 20, 2014 6:23:41pm

re: #303 Romantic Heretic

Wow anti catholic bullshit, I’m so surprised.

314 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:23:54pm

re: #311 b.d.

For your amusement ladies & gentlemen, the award winning journalist:

[Embedded content]

Fuck you, Upchuck, you senseless excuse for a person.

315 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 6:24:04pm

re: #308 jaunte

Rural night:

armadillo rustles under porch…

squirrel bounds across roof…

coyotes talking to the owls.

Scritch… Scritch…. Scritch….

Zombies scratching at the doors.

316 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 6:24:15pm

re: #294 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Assholes find this to be a good time for petty politics.

[Embedded content]

I was right in the middle of sending Pataki this reply:

Could you not find a more opportune time to act like a complete and utter putz, ex-Gov?

when either he chickened out or cooler PR heads won out and that tweet disappeared like a fart in the wind.

Except for here, where it lives forever, thanks to Charles’ boffo coding.

317 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 6:24:45pm

re: #311 b.d.

For your amusement ladies & gentlemen, the award winning journalist:

[Embedded content]

And when the President does sound off, Chucky will switch gears without a clutch to accusing him of inciting more violence, just like the rest of the wingnuts.

318 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 6:24:55pm

re: #311 b.d.

319 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:25:03pm

re: #315 RealityBasedSteve

They’ll go for the loud-talking neighbors first.

320 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:25:23pm

re: #316 TedStriker

I was right in the middle of sending Pataki this reply:

when either he chickened out or cooler PR heads won out and that tweet disappeared like a fart in the wind.

Except for here, where it lives forever.

Ex governor Douche

321 ObserverArt  Dec 20, 2014 6:25:54pm

These police organization have some of the worst PR departments ever.

Anything they have been putting out and commenting on is just reinforcing peoples increasing fears of how bad they are.

Talk about hard-headed bullying.

322 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:25:58pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

And when the President does sound off, Chucky will switch gears without a clutch to accusing him of inciting more violence, just like the rest of the wingnuts.

Of course it’s called Win Win.

/

323 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:26:06pm

re: #313 Zamb

Wow anti catholic bullshit, I’m so surprised.

Where do you see anything “anti-catholic”? How is stating that Catholicism’s monotheistic status is suspect (though really Christianity’s as a whole) anti-Catholic?

324 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 6:26:39pm

re: #318 Kragar

[Embedded content]

325 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:27:27pm

re: #315 RealityBasedSteve

Scritch… Scritch…. Scritch….

Zombies scratching at the doors.

I’m jealous of your Florida Key’s trip. Enjoy. Have stone crabs. Lots of stone crabs.

326 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 20, 2014 6:27:27pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

Heads I win, tails you lose.

//

327 Zamb  Dec 20, 2014 6:28:36pm

re: #323 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Because calling Catholics polytheists as opposed to Christians is one of the methods people use to discredit them as not real Christians. Same shit as non-muslims trying to define exactly what Islam is in order to make it look bad.

328 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 6:29:01pm

re: #319 jaunte

They’ll go for the loud-talking neighbors first.

And their screams of terror will act as an early warning system for you. Sounds like a win-win.

RBS

329 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:29:29pm

re: #327 Zamb

Because calling Catholics polytheists as opposed to Christians

Stop right there. Where did he state that they are not Christians?

330 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 6:29:47pm

re: #325 #FergusonFireside

I’m jealous of your Florida Key’s trip. Enjoy. Have stone crabs. Lots of stone crabs.

Stone Crabs and Hogfish are very high on my list of things to eat down there.

RBS

331 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:30:18pm

re: #321 ObserverArt

These police organization have some of the worst PR departments ever.

Anything they have been putting out and commenting on is just reinforcing peoples increasing fears of how bad they are.

Talk about hard-headed bullying.

I believe it is pure and true. They accidentally revealed it because they are more emotional than smart.

332 Zamb  Dec 20, 2014 6:30:49pm

re: #329 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

This bullshit has been used for years by bigoted assholes to claim that Catholics aren’t Christian and are therefore suspect and not entitled to equal treatment.

333 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:31:47pm

re: #332 Zamb

This bullshit has been used for years by bigoted assholes to claim that Catholics aren’t Christian and are therefore suspect and not entitled to equal treatment.

You haven’t answered my question. Where did RH claim that Catholics aren’t Christians?

334 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:32:29pm

re: #330 RealityBasedSteve

Stone Crabs and Hogfish are very high on my list of things to eat down there.

RBS

And some key lime pie. I have some key limes in my fridge. Thought about making a pie with them, but have too much to cook for the holidays. Squeezing the little buggers for the juice (don’t have a juicer) would wear me out. : )

335 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:33:28pm

So many logical fallacies in just two comments. *sigh*

336 Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2014 6:34:38pm

re: #313 Zamb

Wow anti catholic bullshit, I’m so surprised.

So, stating my observation on a religion is exactly the same as denigrating it? That saying, “This is my observation,” is equivalent to “They’re responsible for all evil everywhere for all time!”?

Just wondering.

337 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:34:39pm
338 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:35:03pm

Jihad on cops.

339 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:35:05pm

Top 101 Cities with the Highest Number of Police Officers

[Hint: NYC is #9]

smartpolicinginitiative.com

340 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:35:49pm

re: #338 #FergusonFireside

Who is Stacey Dash?

341 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:36:00pm

re: #336 Romantic Heretic

So, stating my observation on a religion is exactly the same as denigrating it? That saying, “This is my observation,” is equivalent to “They’re responsible for all evil everywhere for all time!”?

Just wondering.

That person sure has a lot of butthurt.

342 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:36:34pm

re: #340 jaunte

Who is Stacey Dash?

Some RWNJ.

343 Skip Intro  Dec 20, 2014 6:37:36pm

re: #340 jaunte

Who is Stacey Dash?

One of the stars of Clueless, now a fixture on Fox “News”.

344 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 6:37:49pm

re: #338 #FergusonFireside

Jihad on cops.

[Embedded content]

Well, it’s everything you expect from people whose minds only work in binary. Things and people are either good or evil, and if you don’t absolutely, blindly support things that are good, you must be evil.

I know life’s simpler that way, but god, it must make it hard to keep friends.

345 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:37:54pm

re: #340 jaunte

Who is Stacey Dash?

RWNJ black actress.

Sorry, shouldn’t have given her the time.

346 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 6:38:00pm

re: #338 #FergusonFireside

Jihad on cops.

[Embedded content]

347 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:38:03pm

re: #343 Skip Intro

Somehow I missed out on a famous person.

348 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:39:01pm

re: #346 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

[Embedded content]

he is such a puke.

That we had to tolerate him as long as we did. my dog.

349 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 6:39:11pm

re: #346 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

[Embedded content]

Wow, he must have been holding back a lot here. I could tell he was a jerk. I didn’t know he was a flaming asshole.

350 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 6:39:18pm

re: #346 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

[Embedded content]

Allow me to yet again remark upon how happy that Killgore is no longer here.

351 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 6:39:44pm

re: #347 jaunte

Somehow I missed out on a famous person.

She was an actress in Clueless, and now she’s simply clueless.

RBS

352 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 20, 2014 6:39:48pm

re: #325 #FergusonFireside

I’m jealous of your Florida Key’s trip. Enjoy. Have stone crabs. Lots of stone crabs.

Stone crab claws are cooked on the crab boat so the claw meat separates easier from its shell, then put on ice to be sold at the dock.

The stone crab minus one claw is returned to the sea to grow another.

353 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:40:15pm

re: #347 jaunte

Somehow I missed out on a famous person.

Me, too. We really haven’t missed much, though. : )

354 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:40:36pm

If today’s cop killer had been unsuccessful fantasy derp.

355 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:41:09pm
356 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 6:42:47pm

re: #352 BeenHereAwhile

Stone crab claws are cooked on the crab boat so the claw meat separates easier from its shell, then put on ice to be sold at the dock.

The stone crab minus one claw is returned to the sea to grow another.

That’s pretty neat. It’s a good way to have a very sustainable harvest.

(What do you call a stone crab with 2 claws?……. Lucky)

357 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:43:26pm

He didn’t delete it, he spell checked it.

358 Ace-o-aces  Dec 20, 2014 6:43:32pm

Hey, I’ve been laid out with a bad case of the stomach flu for the past couple of days. What have I missed?

[starts reading news]

Well, back to bed……

359 bratwurst  Dec 20, 2014 6:43:41pm

re: #346 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

[Embedded content]

Sometimes it is nice to know what a fucking asshole thinks about certain issues.

360 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 6:43:44pm

re: #352 BeenHereAwhile

Stone crab claws are cooked on the crab boat so the claw meat separates easier from its shell, then put on ice to be sold at the dock.

The stone crab minus one claw is returned to the sea to grow another.

“A pig that good, you don’t eat him all at once.”
///

361 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 6:44:34pm
362 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:44:51pm

re: #358 Ace-o-aces

Hey, I’ve been laid out with a bad case of the stomach flu for the past couple of days. What have I missed?

[starts reading news]

Well, back to bed……

Oh noes! I thought that shit was going to do me in. : )

Get well quickly.

363 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:46:25pm
364 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 6:47:54pm

re: #363 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Good God, the bodies haven’t even had time to cool and already they’re trying to blow this totally out of proportion. But I guess when you view every black man and teen as a “thug” and future killer, you have to assume they’re organized in some fashion.

365 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:48:30pm

Geraldo isn’t high, he’s nuts.

366 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 20, 2014 6:50:00pm

re: #356 RealityBasedSteve

That’s pretty neat. It’s a good way to have a very sustainable harvest.

(What do you call a stone crab with 2 claws?……. Lucky)

Yep, when you go to Joe’s Stone Crabs or another establishment selling stone crab claws, you’re eating what was cooked at sea.

367 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 6:50:05pm
368 blueraven  Dec 20, 2014 6:50:06pm

re: #346 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

[Embedded content]

He always represents the most simple-minded take.

369 Justanotherhuman  Dec 20, 2014 6:51:47pm

Well, no “peace on earth” this year, either.

Keep calm and carry on, Lizards!

Later. : )

370 blueraven  Dec 20, 2014 6:54:11pm

What about the two white people who killed the two officers in Nevada? Just after the whole Bundy thing.
Or the crazy fuck in PA who hid out in the woods for 6 weeks…he killed two policemen as well?

Where was all this outrage from the right?

371 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 6:55:15pm

re: #366 BeenHereAwhile

Yep, when you go to Joe’s Stone Crabs or another establishment selling stone crab claws, you’re eating what was cooked at sea.

And all of your sushi has been frozen too, you wouldn’t want to eat it otherwise, it is frozen to kill the parasites.

372 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 6:55:25pm

re: #363 jaunte

[Embedded content]

New Black Panthers.

Anyone who is black, is a member.

Oooga Booga.

Fuck the stupid ass media and police spokespeople.

373 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 6:56:30pm

re: #370 blueraven

What about the two white people who killed the two officers in Nevada? Just after the whole Bundy thing.
Or the crazy fuck in PA who hid out in the woods for 6 weeks…he killed two policemen as well?

Where was all this outrage from the right?

“Lone wolves.” Unlike this fellow, who apparently was provoked into killing cops by morons chanting about wanting dead cops.

374 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 6:57:23pm
“That is not the word I wrote, Kirk.”
376 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 6:59:11pm

So, today’s NYC Cop Killings are inextricably linked to Bill DeBlasio, Al Sharpton and Eric Holder failing to be sufficiently supportive of police in cases where they killed unarmed black men, but when a right wing nutcase fearing Obama coming for his guns killed 3 cops in Pittburgh in 2009, that was a Lone Wolf, “nobody could have predicted”, no possible link to overblown anti-Obama rhetoric.

377 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 20, 2014 7:01:39pm

re: #349 Blind Frog Belly White

Wow, he must have been holding back a lot here. I could tell he was a jerk. I didn’t know he was a flaming asshole.

Once he got excited by women being hurt and pepper sprayed, I had no time for him and was ecstatic when he left. And utterly unsurprised with what he’s shown himself to be since.

378 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 7:04:07pm

re: #363 jaunte

[Embedded content]

He means Hydra.

379 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 7:04:34pm
380 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2014 7:08:12pm

That Titanic of dick-flavored offal known as #TCOT is blaming POTUS & Mayor DeBlasio personally for the cop killer.

381 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 7:18:38pm

re: #338 #FergusonFireside

So, the cops who kill unarmed people shouldn’t be held accountable, but the Mayor…who had NOTHING to do with the shooting….should be accountable?

These people are sick. Truly sick.

382 jayjaybear  Dec 21, 2014 9:31:45am

re: #324 TedStriker


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