Chuck Todd Has a New ‘Meet the Press’ Panelist: Breitbart “News” Crackpot John Nolte

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If you’ve followed his career as a flame-throwing right wing demagogue and one of the most unhinged writers at Breitbart “News,” it’s an unpleasant surprise to see John Nolte now being invited by Chuck Todd to sit on the panel of Meet the Press.

He may not sound too crazed in this short clip, but…

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518 comments
1 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 2:46:40pm

Todd has reached his bottom.

2 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 2:48:07pm

re: #1 Justanotherhuman

Todd has reached his bottom.

That will make it easier for him to find his head.

3 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 2:48:25pm

The same John Nolte that has talked about shooting teachers. Yeah way to go Chuck Todd. That’s exactly the kind of guy I want to hear blaming protesters for the shooting in Brooklyn yesterday. Fucking hypocrites.

4 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 2:48:28pm

re: #1 Justanotherhuman

Todd has reached his bottom.

Not yet, he hasn’t invited CCJ.

5 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 2:49:24pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

Not yet, he hasn’t invited CCJ.

For the love of all that’s decent, don’t give him any ideas!

6 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 2:51:28pm

re: #1 Justanotherhuman

Todd has reached his bottom.

And upon reaching it:
“Knock knock!”
“Who’s there?”

7 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 2:51:32pm

Add this to my lengthening list of why I just don’t watch the pundits aka “english to rhetoric” translators with an agenda.

8 bratwurst  Dec 21, 2014 2:52:34pm

Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper and some folks over at 60 Minutes have apparently taken the constant criticism from the Fox News crowd so hard they are DESPERATE for love from wingnuts. No matter how many platforms they give to dangerous lunatics it’s not going to happen.

9 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 2:52:58pm

Chuck Todd is a talentless hack. Birds of a feather.

10 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 2:55:26pm

re: #8 bratwurst

Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper and some folks over at 60 Minutes have apparently taken the constant criticism from the Fox News crowd so hard they are DESPERATE for love from wingnuts. No matter how many platforms they give to dangerous lunatics it’s not going to happen.

Very much agree. They’re petrified of being equated with the “liberal media” so they try to make themselves Fox News Lite.

11 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 21, 2014 2:56:33pm

Todd the toady.

12 Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2014 2:57:29pm

And what a pain in the nethers it was.

13 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 2:57:33pm

re: #11 Aunty Entity Dragon

Todd the toady.

Todd the turd.

14 b.d.  Dec 21, 2014 2:57:38pm

re: #8 bratwurst

Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper and some folks over at 60 Minutes have apparently taken the constant criticism from the Fox News crowd so hard they are DESPERATE for love from wingnuts. No matter how many platforms they give to dangerous lunatics it’s not going to happen.

And the thing is that if they aren’t on FoxNews the wingnuts won’t watch them anyways.

FFS CNN gave Glenn Beck a show and the wingnuts wouldn’t even flip over to watch him. GLENN BECK!!

15 The Mountain That Blogs  Dec 21, 2014 2:58:39pm
16 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 2:58:52pm

re: #14 b.d.

He became a wingnut star after CNN…

17 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 3:00:00pm

re: #15 The Mountain That Blogs

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Yeah but there’s no inciting violence there at all but being upset at the non indictment in the Garner case is. This is classic right wing double standard bullshit where the cheerleaders of the thugs at Bundy Ranch who actually did threaten law enforcement are considered patriots and people protesting the lack of an indictment in the death of an unarmed man are akin to ISIS.

18 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 21, 2014 3:02:56pm

See you all tomorrow. Have a blessed holiday season.

19 Varek Raith  Dec 21, 2014 3:03:20pm

Bring back Gregory!
/Can’t believe I just typed that.

20 Lidane  Dec 21, 2014 3:03:59pm
21 Eigth Immortal  Dec 21, 2014 3:04:39pm

re: #14 b.d.

And the thing is that if they aren’t on FoxNews the wingnuts won’t watch them anyways.

FFS CNN gave Glenn Beck a show and the wingnuts wouldn’t even flip over to watch him. GLENN BECK!!

Didn’t Glenn Beck really go over the edge after CNN canned him?

22 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 3:05:07pm

Evening Lizardim from the warm and foggy wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?

23 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 3:05:29pm

re: #20 Lidane

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Giuliani can kindly fuck off. The police have done a lot of their own work in making themselves hated. People like Rudy who want to convince us all that it’s perfectly acceptable and moral for a police officer to kill an unarmed man are part of that problem.

24 b.d.  Dec 21, 2014 3:06:08pm

re: #21 Eigth Immortal

Didn’t Glenn Beck really go over the edge after CNN canned him?

His radio show was huge when he was on CNN. He eventually go so fringie that even Fox showed him the door.

Edit - By May 2008, it had reached over 280 terrestrial stations as well as XM Satellite. It was ranked 4th in the nation with over six and a half million listeners.
en.wikipedia.org
Beck’s show on CNN was from Jan 2006 - Oct. 2008

25 Varek Raith  Dec 21, 2014 3:10:45pm

Noun, verb, AARGLEBARGLE
- Rudy

26 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 3:11:47pm

re: #25 Varek Raith

Noun, verb, AARGLEBARGLE
- Rudy

Noun, verb, bullshit. America’s mayor is a clown.

27 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 3:12:52pm
28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:13:17pm

So this happened: The Moscow Times site experiences temporary tech difficulties:

So of course John Schindler assumed that it was shut down forever by Putin:

Someone from TMT had to talk him down:

What a clown.

29 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 3:14:11pm

Stop Resisting: How to Get Arrested at an Eric Garner Protest

“…We were directly behind the people getting pushed down the sidewalk block, so we physically could not walk faster. A black cop tried to warn me of what lay ahead if I stayed.

To be honest, I felt a sense of security momentarily. I followed a direct order from a police officer to follow him, and we were in constant motion and not blocking the street. That sense of security dramatically disappeared when one of the higher-up officers saw I was recording. He pointed at me directly out of the crowd, and started shouting “GRAB HIM! HE’S THE ONE, GET HIM!”…”

30 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 3:14:40pm

re: #28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

So this happened: The Moscow Times site experiences temporary tech difficulties:

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What a clown.

Right-wing modus operandi: Expect the worst, hope for something even worse.

31 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 3:15:28pm

re: #27 Jenner7

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Yep. But white privilege is a liberal myth.///

32 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 3:21:07pm

The US isn’t “fighting” Sony. Pres. Obama just said almost the same exact thing Notle’s audience was whining about. But of course they all flipped because, Obama.

33 Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2014 3:23:34pm

re: #32 Gus

It’s just a joke at this point - they aren’t even trying. And people like Chuck Todd and Chris Matthews sit there and nod like idiots.

34 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:26:16pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

Right-wing modus operandi: Expect the worst, hope for something even worse.

He seems to be too uncritical and prone to conclusion-jumping for an “intelligence expert”. Like in that story about the Spiegel document about the wiretapping of Merkel being “fake”. It’s half bad that an expert swallowed it in the first place (I’m pretty sure he knows German so he could have checked out the original news items). Worse was that he then built a grand theory about how FSB forged this document and put it in Snowden’s database (though Spiegel did not claim the doc came from Snowden in the first place; it likely came from a second, unknown leaker), so that stupid/malicious journos would use it. Except his very first assumption was built on sand…

35 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 3:29:26pm

Guess who? Placer County. Uh-huh.

36 Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2014 3:30:14pm

Obama actually co-opted the right wing view on this - he said it was a bad idea to cave in to intimidation, which would normally be the default wingnut position. So they got stuck in their own rhetoric and had to invent some idiotic overblown deliberate misconception about Obama’s statement, and say he was “attacking Sony.”

37 Varek Raith  Dec 21, 2014 3:30:24pm

re: #34 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

He seems to be too uncritical and prone to conclusion-jumping for an “intelligence expert”. Like in that story about the Spiegel document about the wiretapping of Merkel being “fake”. It’s half bad that an expert swallowed it in the first place (I’m pretty sure he knows German so he could have checked out the original news items). Worse was that he then built a grand theory about how FSB forged this document, put it in Snowden’s database (though Spiegel did not claim the doc came from Snowden in the first place; it likely came from a second, unknown leaker), so that stupid/malicious journos would use it. Except his very first assumption was built on sand…

It’s a faaaaaake

38 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 3:31:48pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Obama actually co-opted the right wing view on this - he said it was a bad idea to cave in to intimidation, which would normally be the default wingnut position. So they got stuck in their own rhetoric and had to invent some idiotic overblown deliberate misconception about what Obama said, and say he’s “attacking Sony.”

He’s always considering his next chess move, while they’re staring at the checkers marbles.

39 blueraven  Dec 21, 2014 3:33:41pm

re: #32 Gus

The US isn’t “fighting” Sony. Pres. Obama just said almost the same exact thing Notle’s audience was whining about. But of course they all flipped because, Obama.

Of course. Today on CNN Fareed Zakaria called out WSJ deputy editor Bret Stephens on their editorial opposing Obama’s Cuba policy after they have been calling for easing the embargo for 20 years.

If Obama says the sky is blue…

40 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 3:35:27pm

re: #39 blueraven

Of course. Today on CNN Fareed Zakaria called out WSJ deputy editor Bret Stephens on their editorial opposing Obama’s Cuba policy after they have been calling for easing the embargo for 20 years.

If Obama says the sky is blue…

That doesn’t count. Fareed Zakaria has one of those funny-sounding foreign names, doncha know. //////

41 Varek Raith  Dec 21, 2014 3:35:46pm

re: #39 blueraven

Of course. Today on CNN Fareed Zakaria called out WSJ deputy editor Bret Stephens on their editorial opposing Obama’s Cuba policy after they have been calling for easing the embargo for 20 years.

If Obama says the sky is blue…

IT’S NOT BLUE, IT’S SKY BLUE@22@11!11tysdgfh

42 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 3:35:47pm

re: #35 Justanotherhuman

Guess who? Placer County. Uh-huh.

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Who shall we blame? //

43 Varek Raith  Dec 21, 2014 3:37:44pm

re: #42 Gus

Who shall we blame? //

I blame Pluto.
/Stupid fake planet.

44 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:38:23pm

re: #43 Varek Raith

I blame Pluto.
/Stupid fake planet.

I blame Putin. And Bluto.

45 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 3:38:56pm

UCCCH

46 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:39:46pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Photoshop!!!!1//

47 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 3:41:31pm

re: #44 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I blame Putin. And Bluto.

Whatever you say Popeye.

48 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 3:44:48pm

re: #9 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Chuck Todd is a talentless hack. Birds of a feather.

How long before the esteemed Charles C. Johnson is on MTP?

Or, are they all too scared that once seen, he will take over the show???

/

49 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 3:47:08pm

re: #48 ObserverArt

How long before the esteemed Charles C. Johnson is on MTP?

Or, are they all too scared that once seen, he will take over the show???

/

Obviously, this is the reason that no one wants to invite this Reel Journalist (tm) onto their shows.

50 Varek Raith  Dec 21, 2014 3:48:45pm

re: #48 ObserverArt

How long before the esteemed Charles C. Johnson is on MTP?

Or, are they all too scared that once seen, he will take over the show???

/

How long before he’s the next host?????

51 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 3:52:15pm

Vice President Joe Biden, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko discuss situation in eastern Ukraine over phone call, White House says - @WhiteHouse
end of alert

52 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 3:52:29pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

It’s just a joke at this point - they aren’t even trying. And people like Chuck Todd and Chris Matthews sit there and nod like the idiots they are.

I added a couple of bold words to your statement. I think it gets right to the point instead of hinting they might be. No need to hold back.

53 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:57:19pm

re: #50 Varek Raith

How long before he’s the next host?????

He’s already… a host…

54 Mattand  Dec 21, 2014 3:59:35pm

This kind of shit is why I get so irritated with Rachel Maddow whenever she heaps praise on Chuck Todd. I get that they’re friends, but the man is a fucking idiot.

As I’ve said before, he’s got one of the plumb jobs in the American news industry, and he treats it like like an ongoing demo reel for a Fox News job.

55 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 4:00:58pm

re: #54 Mattand

She was also soft on Buchanan.

56 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:01:38pm

re: #55 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Considered “colleagues”, doncha know.

57 Mattand  Dec 21, 2014 4:04:06pm

Oh, and fuck Chris Matthews, too, while I’m at it. It speaks volumes of this man’s overblown ego that he signs off his shows with a piece called “Let Me Finish”. Like he ever has a problem with people allowing him to get a word in edgewise.

58 Mattand  Dec 21, 2014 4:05:02pm

re: #55 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

She was also soft on Buchanan.

Pat “Hitler wasn’t such a horrible guy” Buchanan? Yeesh.

59 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 4:05:05pm

re: #57 Mattand

Oh, and fuck Chris Matthews, too, while I’m at it. It speaks volumes of this man’s overblown ego that he signs off his shows with a piece called “Let Me Finish”. Like he ever has a problem with people allowing him to get a word in edgewise.

MediaMatters’ Misinformer of the year 200something.

60 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 4:05:50pm

re: #58 Mattand

Pat “Hitler wasn’t such a horrible guy” Buchanan? Yeesh.

Collegiality. He too was an MSNBC figure.

61 Mattand  Dec 21, 2014 4:08:57pm

re: #60 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Collegiality. He too was an MSNBC figure.

More proof that the “MSNBC is just the flip side of Fox News” meme is one of the biggest loads of bullshit out there.

62 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:09:19pm

Good piece.

A Startling Admission By The Ferguson Prosecutor Could Restart The Case Against Darren Wilson

thinkprogress.org

“Even before Friday’s interview, many legal experts were highly critical McCulloch’s use of the grand jury. Marjorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, said she believed McCulloch “did not want an indictment” of Darren Wilson and turned the grand jury process on its head, acting as an advocate for the defense.

“Mae Quinn, a law professor at Washington University School Of Law, told ThinkProgress that the unusual decision to present testimony he believed to be false to the grand jury — along with other atypical aspects of the prosecutor’s conduct in the Wilson case — could be an issue. “In terms of personal or professional interest playing a role in the grand jury process, I am struck by the double-bind we keep hearing about. That is, the county prosecutor feeling unable to simply present Darren Wilson’s case like any other without concern for perceived relationships with local law enforcement and others - and then making strategic decisions not singularly focused on representing the county,” Quinn said.

“If Maura McShane, the Presiding Judge of the 21st Circuit, agrees with this assessment, she could appoint a new prosecutor and effectively restart the case against Darren Wilson.” More

Come on, Judge McShane. Do the right thing.

63 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:11:28pm

Auburn shooter is down.

64 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:11:57pm

re: #63 Gus

Auburn shooter is down.

After firing more than 100 rounds…

65 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 4:12:33pm

re: #63 Gus

{{{Gus}}}

How are you doing tonight? It’s been a little while.

66 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:13:13pm

Another one from October.

67 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:13:43pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

{{{Gus}}}

How are you doing tonight? It’s been a little while.

Hey! Doing OK I guess. Yeah, been a while. Lost count. Came back the day before yesterday. How are you doing?

68 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 4:13:56pm

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

After firing more than 100 rounds…

How many rounds he fired means little, its how many rounds hit people that matters.

69 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:14:44pm
70 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 4:15:09pm

re: #67 Gus

Hey! Doing OK I guess. Yeah, been a while. Lost count. Came back the day before yesterday. How are you doing?

Been up, been down. Right now, I’m not sure which direction is coming up next, but it’s definitely going to be one or the other.

71 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 4:15:27pm

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

May I act as devil’s advocate for one post on this matter?

72 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:16:21pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Been up, been down. Right now, I’m not sure which direction is coming up next, but it’s definitely going to be one or the other.

Onward and downward! //

73 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 4:17:12pm

re: #72 Gus

Onward and downward! //

That appears to be the balance of probability, but the outcome is sufficiently in doubt that I remain hopeful for a more upward resolution.

74 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:17:35pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

May I act as devil’s advocate for one post on this matter?

Act as you wish. I don’t control you.

He fought the law, and the law won, basically. Stupid fool.

75 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:19:40pm

So, when are we going to hear that these guys fighting the cops are connected to protests across the country?

Police: Suspect hurt in officer-involved shooting in Las Vegas; condition unknown - @8NewsNow
read more on 8newsnow.com

76 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:20:37pm

re: #69 Gus

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77 nines09  Dec 21, 2014 4:23:47pm

Even without the power of speech and opposable thumbs, at this juncture of Chuck Todds ever growing Empire Of Stupid, an amoeba has the edge. And an amoeba cannot stand up right nor smile at a camera. What an absolute tool. Hell, give a Nazi a soap box and ask pertinent questions like…….”How come.” Jerkoff. What a freaking jerkoff.

78 Mike Lamb  Dec 21, 2014 4:29:03pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

How many rounds he fired means little, its how many rounds hit people that matters.

Seriously? A guy sitting on a small munitions dump isn’t an issue?

79 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:29:27pm

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

So, when are we going to hear that these guys fighting the cops are connected to protests across the country?

Police: Suspect hurt in officer-involved shooting in Las Vegas; condition unknown - @8NewsNow
read more on 8newsnow.com

Yes. From now on “all cop killers will have been inspired by the protesters.”

Guess that means the alleged wingnut in Auburn that was shooting at cops before being killed was also inspired by the protesters.

80 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:32:00pm

“Marijuana News and NetWorkingMLMpe followed you “

81 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:33:54pm

Last week, the FBI and county cops were looking for a guy just a couple of miles from here. Needless to say, I’ve been on the alert, and keep my door locked since my apt faces right into the woods. : )

wsoctv.com

This guy is wanted on Federal firearms charges, and I haven’t heard that they’ve found him, even though they’ve suspended the search. But damn, there’s been a lot of shooting on the private “range” down the street these last few days, more than usual. Yeah, I pretty much live in “gun territory”.

82 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 4:35:34pm

re: #78 Mike Lamb

Seriously? A guy sitting on a small munitions dump isn’t an issue?

100 rounds isn’t a “small munitions dump”. A person can go through that in less than half an hour at the rifle range.

83 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 4:36:42pm

HEH.
HISTORY!

84 Skip Intro  Dec 21, 2014 4:37:43pm

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

So, when are we going to hear that these guys fighting the cops are connected to protests across the country?

Police: Suspect hurt in officer-involved shooting in Las Vegas; condition unknown - @8NewsNow
read more on 8newsnow.com

If they’re black.

85 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 4:38:38pm
86 Skip Intro  Dec 21, 2014 4:40:24pm

re: #78 Mike Lamb

Seriously? A guy sitting on a small munitions dump isn’t an issue?

He would have had more, but he used some of it to kill two cops and shoot a couple of other people first.

At least his 2nd Amendment rights weren’t infringed.

87 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:40:49pm

re: #85 Kragar

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88 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 4:42:11pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

He would have had more, but he used some of it to kill two cops and shoot a couple of other people first.

At least his 2nd Amendment rights weren’t infringed.

I think you’ve got the wrong guy. I don’t this this one actually killed anyone.

89 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:46:24pm

So—we don’t know right now what killed this guy. Maybe smoke inhalation or he shot himself.

Auburn man who shot at officials in standoff has died
Suspect barricaded himself inside home, likely set fire

kcra.com

90 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 4:48:11pm

Also, it turns out the ex-girlfriend that worthless fuck Ismaaiyl Brinsley shot was a Army veteran who now works for the Department of Veteran’s Affairs.

This makes things even clearer for me: He shot her out of rage at being rejected for not being good enough for her (which he wasn’t). Thankfully, she’s likely to make a full recovery.

91 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 4:49:19pm

re: #89 Justanotherhuman

So—we don’t know right now what killed this guy. Maybe smoke inhalation or he shot himself.

Auburn man who shot at officials in standoff has died
Suspect barricaded himself inside home, likely set fire

kcra.com

The ultimate in Dramatic But Pointless Goodbyes. That guy is the Charles C. Johnson of anti-authority shooters.

92 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:49:31pm
93 Skip Intro  Dec 21, 2014 4:50:20pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

I think you’ve got the wrong guy. I don’t this this one actually killed anyone.

I don’t think so.

Marquez is accused of shooting and killing Sacramento County Sheriff’s Deputy Danny Oliver, 47, and Placer County Sheriff’s Det. Michael David Davis, Jr., 42, as well as shooting and injuring another Placer County sheriff’s deputy and a civilian. The original crime scene started in the Arden area of Sacramento where Marquez allegedly shot and killed Oliver. The Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department said Marquez carjacked a car, and then carjacked a truck, which he drove to Auburn.

news10.net

Wrong incident. My bad.

Sorry.

94 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 4:52:39pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

Oct 26?

95 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 4:54:13pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

I don’t think so.

news10.net

Isn’t that a different case? That one happened in Oct.

96 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 4:54:20pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

I don’t think so.

news10.net

That was another one that took place in the same area.

97 Skip Intro  Dec 21, 2014 4:54:54pm

re: #94 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Oct 26?

You and DF are right. I didn’t look at the date on Gus’ post.

In my defense, I’m amazed that tiny Auburn had two incidents like this in two months.

98 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 4:56:03pm

re: #97 Skip Intro

You and DF are right. I didn’t look at the date on Gus’ post.

In my defense, I’m amazed that tiny Auburn had two incidents like this in two months.

It’s OK, mistakes happen to the best of us.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2014 4:56:25pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

I don’t think so.

news10.net

We need flow charts to keep track these days…

100 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 4:56:44pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

It’s OK, mistakes happen to the best of us.

Especially when there’s so many of these things to choose from.

101 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 4:56:47pm
102 Patricia Kayden  Dec 21, 2014 4:58:01pm

re: #29 jaunte

That’s a very scary story. Sounds like the police are trying to intimidate protesters.

103 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:03:07pm
104 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 5:03:47pm

re: #103 Gus

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Freudian slip?

105 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 5:04:29pm

re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White

Freudian slip?

I don’t know. I think “Dick Dynasty” is a perfectly accurate descriptor.

106 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:04:53pm

These guys (and they really are usually guys) think they’re going out in a “blaze of glory”.

But they’re just deluded fools.

107 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:05:23pm

re: #103 Gus

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Dick is always on her mind…

108 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:06:41pm

re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White

Freudian slip?

The “U” is right next to the “I” on the keyboard. Still works. :D

109 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 5:08:45pm

Don’t bother with the link, it’s Breitbart.

110 unproven innocence  Dec 21, 2014 5:09:26pm

re: #102 Patricia Kayden

That’s a very scary story. Sounds like the police are trying to intimidate protesters.

The writer mentioned talk of a quota —five —of which he was one.

111 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 5:10:22pm

re: #109 jaunte

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Don’t bother with the link, it’s Breitbart.

I always get so pissed off at “ZOMG THE PRESIDENT IS DOING XYZ INSTEAD OF TREATING THIS SITUATION SERIOUSLY” news stories. Quit judging, if I were Obama I probably wouldn’t show my face in public for a week whenever a major news story broke.

112 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:10:51pm

re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White

Freudian slip?

Schadenfreudian.

113 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:12:57pm

re: #103 Gus

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And close the damned parentheses!

114 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:13:40pm

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

And close the damned parentheses!

She haz deleted. I haz saved.

115 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:14:48pm

Can you imagine what Palin’s “books” would look like if someone hadn’t written them for her?

Plus, editors for the fawning ghostwriters.

And they’re still horrible in content.

116 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:15:24pm

re: #114 Gus

She haz deleted. I haz saved.

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I love you, Gus. : )

117 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:16:35pm

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

I love you, Gus. : )

Thanks!

118 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 5:18:06pm

Toronto Hanukkah Parade gets “Blues & Twos” (Because Canadian police have nothing better to do)
Toronto Menorah Parade Dec. 21, 2014

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2014 5:18:44pm

re: #114 Gus

She haz deleted. I haz saved.

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I saved it already, too.
:D

121 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:20:57pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saved it already, too.
:D

GMTA!

122 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:21:36pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saved it already, too.
:D

Haha, I love you, too!

123 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 5:24:21pm
124 Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2014 5:24:26pm

Incredible sunset tonight in LA. A Technicolor masterpiece.

126 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 5:25:17pm

re: #114 Gus

On the Internet derptastic tweets are forever.

127 Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2014 5:25:28pm
128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:26:44pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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“You’ve been naughty boys! Bwahahahaha!”

129 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 5:26:46pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

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Pictures like this are always a little hard to look at.

130 Kryptik  Dec 21, 2014 5:26:52pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

You’d be cranky too when far too many people are exalting assholishness as a virtue, and empathy as the greatest sin imaginable.

131 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 5:27:48pm

re: #130 Kryptik

You’d be cranky too when far too many people are exalting assholishness as a virtue, and empathy as the greatest sin imaginable.

Everyone is on the naughty list this year. EVERYONE.

132 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 5:28:26pm

re: #129 thedopefishlives

Pictures like this are always a little hard to look at.

RWNJ’s don’t give a fucking shit, it’s just Obamaphobia fodder for them.

133 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 5:29:16pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Everyone is on the naughty list this year. EVERYONE.

Awww, man!

134 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:29:34pm

“You are blocked from following @GovernorPataki and viewing @GovernorPataki’s Tweets. Learn more”

135 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 5:29:36pm

OT:

I had to give Mrs B_Sharp her extra Xmas gift early because she seems to be constantly cold right now and she just loved the electric throw and the fuzzy socks with the little grippies on the bottom.

However, she still feels a lot of pain. I would think that a week would lessen the pain quite a bit but it seems to be worse. I’m hoping the pain killers don’t run out before the pain.

136 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 5:30:05pm

re: #135 b_sharp

OT:

I had to give Mrs B_Sharp her extra Xmas gift early because she seems to be constantly cold right now and she just loved the electric throw and the fuzzy socks with the little grippies on the bottom.

However, she still feels a lot of pain. I would think that a week would lessen the pain quite a bit but it seems to be worse. I’m hoping the pain killers don’t run out before the pain.

{{{b_sharp}}}

And a hug to Mrs. B_Sharp, too.

137 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:30:48pm

Man I’m sick of being told that if I have a critical view of police actions it must mean I’m for abolishing the police all together and should never ever go to the police if I am in trouble.

138 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:31:04pm

re: #134 Gus

“You are blocked from following @GovernorPataki and viewing @GovernorPataki’s Tweets. Learn more”

What did you do deserve such a honor?

139 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:31:42pm

re: #135 b_sharp

OT:

I had to give Mrs B_Sharp her extra Xmas gift early because she seems to be constantly cold right now and she just loved the electric throw and the fuzzy socks with the little grippies on the bottom.

However, she still feels a lot of pain. I would think that a week would lessen the pain quite a bit but it seems to be worse. I’m hoping the pain killers don’t run out before the pain.

When does she see the doc? If she’s still in a lot of pain, maybe she should call? Anyway, good job and I hope a little more time will ease her.

140 The Dude Abides  Dec 21, 2014 5:31:52pm

<<Arizona has a deep rooted history of racism and anti-Immigrant sentiment carlosgalindo.com … #TNTweeters #tcot #p2
3:37 PM - 21 Dec 2014>>
Not to mention a deep-rooted history of mob connections to its senior U.S. Senator.

141 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 5:32:29pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Man I’m sick of being told that if I have a critical view of police actions it must mean I’m for abolishing the police all together and should never ever go to the police if I am in trouble.

Well, after all, there really are only two possible, mutually exclusive, polar opposite positions one may take on any issue.
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142 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:33:16pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

What did you do deserve such a honor?

I don’t remember. Think I cracked a joke or maybe he pre-blocked me after I cracked a joke about Gov. Cuomo being his running mate since he’s practically a Republican himself.

143 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:33:49pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

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You know fuck that shit so much. I mean I feel bad for any family who loses a loved one in combat but goddamn it when you sign up for the military, you know there’s a risk. Sorry but when you’re unarmed, you should be able to expect not to be you know killed by the police. And it’s beyond pathetic that they think Obama especially wouldn’t know their names. Obama has shown more of a concern for the troops than the Republicans in Congress ever have since the Republicans in Congress are the first ones to support cutting veterans health care so their wealthy buds can get yet another tax break.

144 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 5:34:50pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

“Love it or leave it.” A time-honored way to minimize an opposing position without having to think.

145 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 5:35:02pm

re: #100 thedopefishlives

Especially when there’s so many of these things to choose from.

Yeah. It’s hard to keep track.

146 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:35:14pm
147 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:35:19pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, after all, there really are only two possible, mutually exclusive, polar opposite positions one may take on any issue.
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It’s just hard not to get angry at that. I mean damn. It’s good that I’m not the only one in my family that has been horrified reading about what happened to Michael Brown, Eric Garner, and others but still damn.

148 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:36:38pm

re: #144 jaunte

“Love it or leave it.” A time-honored way to minimize an opposing position without having to think.

Right, it’s such a fucking dumb “counter-argument”, it honestly resembles something I’d expect to see more on FNC than my own house.

149 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 5:36:50pm

re: #135 b_sharp

OT:

I had to give Mrs B_Sharp her extra Xmas gift early because she seems to be constantly cold right now and she just loved the electric throw and the fuzzy socks with the little grippies on the bottom.

However, she still feels a lot of pain. I would think that a week would lessen the pain quite a bit but it seems to be worse. I’m hoping the pain killers don’t run out before the pain.

{{{{{b_sharps}}}}}

150 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 5:37:08pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

You know fuck that shit so much. I mean I feel bad for any family who loses a loved one in combat but goddamn it when you sign up for the military, you know there’s a risk. Sorry but when you’re unarmed, you should be able to expect not to be you know killed by the police. And it’s beyond pathetic that they think Obama especially wouldn’t know their names. Obama has shown more of a concern for the troops than the Republicans in Congress ever have since the Republicans in Congress are the first ones to support cutting veterans health care so their wealthy buds can get yet another tax break.

There are no photos of G.W. Bush saluting fallen soldiers caskets. NONE!

151 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:37:29pm

re: #144 jaunte

“Love it or leave it.” A time-honored way to minimize an opposing position without having to think.

Or, “Get the fuck out of my country.”

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2014 5:37:42pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

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jazzy hat!!!!

153 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 5:37:58pm

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

Toronto Hanukkah Parade gets “Blues & Twos” (Because Canadian police have nothing better to do)
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Video

Where’s that at? Looks like College and Spadina.

154 Skip Intro  Dec 21, 2014 5:38:59pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

There are no photos of G.W. Bush saluting fallen soldiers caskets. NONE!

I may be wrong about this, so I apologize in advance, but I recall that pictures of soldiers caskets were verboten during Bush II.

155 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:40:38pm

I mean I get it. It is dangerous being a police officer. But you know what being a commercial fisherman is even more dangerous. There’s no denying that being a cop is stressful. So hey here’s a good solution. Let’s be willing to pay a little more in tax dollars so they get better training and to make sure we don’t hire someone with a loose fuse. But what the fuck do I know? I just want to get rid of the police.

156 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 5:40:40pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

It’s just hard not to get angry at that. I mean damn. It’s good that I’m not the only one in my family that has been horrified reading about what happened to Michael Brown, Eric Garner, and others but still damn.

I have difficulty taking seriously people who insist that things are simple, and either good or evil, or think that you can’t respect policemen while still expecting them to be fair and not use excessive force.

157 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:41:58pm

re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White

I have difficulty taking seriously people who insist that things are simple, and either good or evil, or think that you can’t respect policemen while still expecting them to be fair and not use excessive force.

Yeah that’s the kind of mindset I’m dealing with unfortunately. There’s no room for gray matter. You know, I can deal with it on some level if it’s coming from a stranger but it’s tough coming from home.

158 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 5:42:00pm

Bush just let this ride, because it was done under Daddy’s watch.

Pentagon to Allow Photos of Soldiers’ Coffins

nytimes.com

159 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 5:42:19pm

re: #144 jaunte

“Love it or leave it.” A time-honored way to minimize an opposing position without having to think.

But then, when a Democrat is President, suddenly it’s time to gear up for armed revolt.

160 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 5:43:32pm

Todd & Nolte? I need a shower just after reading that. Ick.

161 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:45:16pm

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

But then, when a Democrat is President, suddenly it’s time to gear up for armed revolt.

Yep Democrat in the WH means talk about how revolution is needed to “free” us but a Republican in the WH means any critic of WH policy obviously wants the terrorists to win.

162 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 5:46:14pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s the kind of mindset I’m dealing with unfortunately. There’s no room for gray matter. You know, I can deal with it on some level if it’s coming from a stranger but it’s tough coming from home.

I’m fortunate that way. My family is almost uniformly liberal. The one sister who’s a Republican tends to keep her opinions to herself.

Meanwhile, on Facebook, one of my ‘Friends’, an acquaintance from High School, who constantly ‘likes’ right wing trash, posted to complain about responses, presumably mine, to them.

That was easily fixed - “Don’t Follow”.

163 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 5:48:31pm

re: #153 Romantic Heretic

Where’s that at? Looks like College and Spadina.

Yonge & Sheppard

164 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 5:51:57pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s the kind of mindset I’m dealing with unfortunately. There’s no room for gray matter. You know, I can deal with it on some level if it’s coming from a stranger but it’s tough coming from home.

I feel your pain, you know that. My mom and dad derp about ZOMG EBIL OBUMMER every time I see them. Thankfully, our phone calls are usually short enough so as not to trigger their political fuse.

165 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:52:57pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m fortunate that way. My family is almost uniformly liberal. The one sister who’s a Republican tends to keep her opinions to herself.

Meanwhile, on Facebook, one of my ‘Friends’, an acquaintance from High School, who constantly ‘likes’ right wing trash, posted to complain about responses, presumably mine, to them.

That was easily fixed - “Don’t Follow”.

Well here’s the crazy thing. My grandmother, person in question here actually is fairly liberal, more so economically than socially anyhow but she’s got a serious prejudice when it comes to minorities and the police. She brought up that her godfather was a police officer killed by an African American man so I think that’s colored her prejudice. The thing is. I can handle disagreement and I am even a little sympathetic since she is old obviously but man I just really resent my words which suggested nothing like getting rid of the police to be a suggestion that policing itself needs to be abolished. I probably just need a breather but it just rubs me the wrong way ya know and honestly it bugs me how she thinks she understands the legal system because she watches Judge Judy when that show and other shows like it make a complete mockery of how law actually works.

166 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 5:55:46pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

My mom and dad derp about ZOMG EBIL OBUMMER every time I see them.

Same with my dad. I just have to change the subject because there isn’t enough time to undo the years of conditioning.

167 Kryptik  Dec 21, 2014 5:56:10pm

It truly is fantastically demoralizing to see just how many people have jumped on the “YOU’RE THE PROBLEM, YOU WANTED COPS TO DIE!!!” bullshit train, and just how quickly too.

A majority of the country is on a strung-out freak out, and I don’t know how we move on, when this majority seems like it’s the most powerful it’s ever been.

168 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:56:47pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

I feel your pain, you know that. My mom and dad derp about ZOMG EBIL OBUMMER every time I see them. Thankfully, our phone calls are usually short enough so as not to trigger their political fuse.

My family is actually pretty close to what I am ideologically but as I got at, the one thing my grandmother normally left of center gets pretty right wing about is minorities and police. I mean I can handle the disagreement. It’s going to happen but when someone takes my words that there’s some problems with police departments to mean I favor outright abolishment of the police, that just bothers me. I also tried pointing out that officers being killed in the line of duty have been dropping for years now and NYC is safer than it’s been in a while too. But she and I guess it’s in part because she’s old hears the sound clips on the news and takes it to be the reality. For example, she didn’t believe that whites actually have a higher arrest rate. And good luck to me even trying to point out that they got James Holmes alive but had to kill Eric Garner.

169 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 5:57:08pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

I mean I get it. It is dangerous being a police officer. But you know what being a commercial fisherman is even more dangerous. There’s no denying that being a cop is stressful. So hey here’s a good solution. Let’s be willing to pay a little more in tax dollars so they get better training and to make sure we don’t hire someone with a loose fuse. But what the fuck do I know? I just want to get rid of the police.

Adding a year to the police academy curriculum would leave a lot more room for training and enhancing those arrest skills.

170 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:57:54pm

re: #167 Kryptik

It truly is fantastically demoralizing to see just how many people have jumped on the “YOU’RE THE PROBLEM, YOU WANTED COPS TO DIE!!!” bullshit train, and just how quickly too.

A majority of the country is on a strung-out freak out, and I don’t know how we move on, when this majority seems like it’s the most powerful it’s ever been.

I just read Nixonland by Rick Perlstein. It seems that in many parts of the country, there’s this rage brewing where anyone left of center is the “enemy” to them.

171 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 5:58:44pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka
Did G.W. Bush know the names of all of those troops who were killed as a result of his trumped-up war in Iraq?

172 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:59:09pm

re: #169 Rightwingconspirator

Adding a year to the police academy curriculum would leave a lot more room for training and enhancing those arrest skills.

Definitely. I like the idea of better training. I also while I understand returning combat veterans do need to work would not be giving them jobs like police officer simply because they have firearm and experience in hostile situations.

173 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 5:59:27pm

re: #171 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Did G.W. Bush know the names of all of those troops who were killed as a result of his trumped-up war in Iraq?

Santa Claus gave them to him duh.

174 Kryptik  Dec 21, 2014 6:00:51pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

It’s just….it boggles my mind, that demanding accountability from the institution of the police force somehow means we want individual cops to die horrible meaningless deaths and destroy everything good and holy about America….

But when someone from the ‘other’ does something, the entire community/race/group/etc. is treated like a gigantic monolithic hive mind that is wholly and collectively at fault for everything and is the total root of all fucking evil.

The operative double standards make me want to tear my fucking hair out.

175 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:04:26pm

re: #174 Kryptik

It’s just….it boggles my mind, that demanding accountability from the institution of the police force somehow means we want individual cops to die horrible meaningless deaths and destroy everything good and holy about America….

But when someone from the ‘other’ does something, the entire community/race/group/etc. is treated like a gigantic monolithic hive mind that is wholly and collectively at fault for everything and is the total root of all fucking evil.

The operative double standards make me want to tear my fucking hair out.

I know. It’s like pulling teeth. It’s just so hard not to get angry on my end because I can’t point out that I think it’s shameful that Officer Wilson, the officers in Garner’s death, and others weren’t even charged without hearing “Well you know police have stressful jobs and the person(Brown, Rice, Garner, etc) was doing something wrong.” I actually think it’s somewhat insulting to the police’s intelligence to suggest that they should just be ready to shoot to kill even if they don’t know the person is armed or not.

176 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:06:55pm

I mean yes the police do have a stressful job, one I should emphasize I could never do myself but you know what? I still expect accountability. I’ll never be a Congressman, Governor, or President but I expect those elected officials to uphold the principles of the Constitution. I expect them to follow the law. Just because someone has a stressful or a job that could result in their own death doesn’t mean they should get a pass. “Oh he has a stressful job.” Okay, fine but that doesn’t excuse shooting someone unarmed or strangling an unarmed morbidly obese man or shooting a 12 year old kid without even attempting to find out the situation and resolve it peacefully.

177 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 6:07:13pm

re: #174 Kryptik

It’s just….it boggles my mind, that demanding accountability from the institution of the police force somehow means we want individual cops to die horrible meaningless deaths and destroy everything good and holy about America….

But when someone from the ‘other’ does something, the entire community/race/group/etc. is treated like a gigantic monolithic hive mind that is wholly and collectively at fault for everything and is the total root of all fucking evil.

The operative double standards make me want to tear my fucking hair out.

And it’s the same WRT the Military - one is required to support any action any member of the military may take, or “You hate the troops!”. You can’t hold them to any standard of civilized behavior, or you hear “They put their asses on the line for you!”

Then again, these same folks also require the same unthinking allegiance to whatever the government of Israel does.

It just grows so tiresome.

178 Kryptik  Dec 21, 2014 6:08:16pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I don’t think it’s a matter of intelligence so much as a matter of cowardice. As I kept saying regarding the issue of our torture, we are a nation of cowards who have been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

I think that applies just as much to the culture of cops as it does to our torture culture. THe need to the best weaponry right then, right now, the impulse to shoot first, ask questions later, and the need to circle wagons as if one policeman who made a dumb mistake is held accountable, the entire idea of police somehow collapse. It’s institutionalized cowardice dressed up as macho-ass bravery.

179 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:08:26pm

I frankly think the police who think the police shouldn’t be held accountable do the police a much greater disservice than the critics do. The critics want the police to actually do their jobs. The police can do no wrong types like Peter King and Rudy Giuliani think “Oh, they’re cops, let em do whatever they want.”

180 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 6:08:31pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I know. It’s like pulling teeth. It’s just so hard not to get angry on my end because I can’t point out that I think it’s shameful that Officer Wilson, the officers in Garner’s death, and others weren’t even charged without hearing “Well you know police have stressful jobs and the person(Brown, Rice, Garner, etc) was doing something wrong.” I actually think it’s somewhat insulting to the police’s intelligence to suggest that they should just be ready to shoot to kill even if they don’t know the person is armed or not.

It’s a stressful job, so they get a license to kill over misdemeanors?

181 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 6:09:51pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I mean yes the police do have a stressful job, one I should emphasize I could never do myself but you know what? I still expect accountability. I’ll never be a Congressman, Governor, or President but I expect those elected officials to uphold the principles of the Constitution. I expect them to follow the law. Just because someone has a stressful or a job that could result in their own death doesn’t mean they should get a pass. “Oh he has a stressful job.” Okay, fine but that doesn’t excuse shooting someone unarmed or strangling an unarmed morbidly obese man or shooting a 12 year old kid without even attempting to find out the situation and resolve it peacefully.

I’d point out that we not only fail to punish excess violence way too often but we also critically fail to reward the guys that pull it off peacefully despite the circumstances.

182 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:10:45pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a stressful job, so they get a license to kill over misdemeanors?

Yeah….. Seriously I hear “Oh you know Darren Wilson has to do so and so now.” Yeah well here’s the thing. Darren Wilson is ALIVE. Darren Wilson is newly married. Darren Wilson will probably be a father soon. Darren Wilson will have good days and bad days. Darren Wilson will live while Michael Brown is dead. It’s the same thing I felt about Treyvon Martin. All these attempts to put poor George Zimmerman on the pity stoop while our fucked up media made the victim into a villain and the perp into a tragic hero done wrong.

183 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:11:17pm

re: #181 Rightwingconspirator

I’d point out that we not only fail to punish excess violence way too often but we also critically fail to reward the guys that pull it off peacefully despite the circumstances.

This is a great point too and to go with that, I do favor better pay for the police and other EMTs as well.

184 Kryptik  Dec 21, 2014 6:13:47pm

re: #181 Rightwingconspirator

I’d point out that we not only fail to punish excess violence way too often but we also critically fail to reward the guys that pull it off peacefully despite the circumstances.

It isn’t even just that we fail to punish excess violence, but that we reward it outright, while the guys who pull it off without guns blazing are somehow worse off, somehow cowards, somehow people who make police look bad by ‘accommodating crooks’.

185 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 6:14:02pm

Ugh. And now my brother-in-law is spamming his Facebook feed with #BlueLivesMatter and NYPD-themed photos. I get it, he’s a cop, he’s pro-police, but come on, man. You’ve got to know some of your brothers really shouldn’t be wearing a gun and a uniform.

186 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:18:28pm

re: #185 thedopefishlives

Ugh. And now my brother-in-law is spamming his Facebook feed with #BlueLivesMatter and NYPD-themed photos. I get it, he’s a cop, he’s pro-police, but come on, man. You’ve got to know some of your brothers really shouldn’t be wearing a gun and a uniform.

I’d ask him to find a single person who feels that the guy who killed the two officers last night that shouldn’t have been hypothetically prosecuted. This is the frustrating thing. White cops get killed and we hear from people like your BiL “Oh where are Obama/Sharpton/Holder/Boogeyman on this?”Well, in those cases, you not only see them prosecuted but you see a very zealous prosecution that often ends up with the convicted on death row. In the case of Brown and Garner, we can’t even get indictments from prosecutors who have shown apathy in getting these cases even brought to a jury trial. So when hashtag blacklivesmatter is posted, it is an indictment of that. It’s an indictment on how if a Ferguson officer had been killed that Robert McCulloch would probably pursue the death penalty for his killer while for Michael Brown, McCulloch willingly knew he had grand jury witnesses that lied but he let them testify anyhow.

187 sagehen  Dec 21, 2014 6:18:33pm

re: #185 thedopefishlives

Ugh. And now my brother-in-law is spamming his Facebook feed with #BlueLivesMatter and NYPD-themed photos. I get it, he’s a cop, he’s pro-police, but come on, man. You’ve got to know some of your brothers really shouldn’t be wearing a gun and a uniform.

Your brother-in-law will never admit it out loud, but off the top of his head he could name half a dozen officers who he *knows* do the department no credit. Officers who he mutters under his breath that he hopes he NEVER has to work a call with. Officers who in any all-cop group, he would absolutely disparage as bad at their jobs and they should be doing something else for a living. He can NAME these officers. But he won’t.

188 CuriousLurker  Dec 21, 2014 6:18:43pm

It’s getting seriously shitty out there in the Twiitersphere. I Tweeted this:

Then this idiot jumps into my timeline and starts babbling a bunch of nonsensical crap. I pretty much immediately lost my patience:

189 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 6:18:59pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Thanks. One other thing-We have these special teams for certain skills-SWAT, HAZMAT, investigators for car crashes.

Why do we not have a subset of guys (in squads) that know how to arrest a larger hostile suspect without killing or beating into unconsciousness? Maybe have those guys on the warrant raids?

190 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:22:26pm

re: #188 CuriousLurker

She’s high on something.

191 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 6:23:14pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a stressful job, so they get a license to kill over misdemeanors?

The fact is, the police too often bring criticism on themselves. I don’t think people inherently hate the cops (well, maybe some do, such as criminals who see them as their nemesis) but most people can respect the jobs others in public service do, if it’s done with the right training and attitude. Unfortunately, that isn’t always the case, as I’ve seen in my lifetime, when a HS education (or even less earlier in the last century) was the only requirement to join “the force” and the cop culture was passed down from the “old guard” many times with horrible consequences. One would hope that in the 21st century, that wouldn’t be the case, but as someone earlier stated, it’s become almost like a cult, as has the military, to some degree. A lot of people who are hired as police are vets and those are not 2 occupations that deal with the same people, locales and situations.

When you treat other human beings as something less than human, though, it colors everything you do and infects the entire justice system when there is still rot at the bottom.

192 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:23:16pm

=re: #188 CuriousLurker

It’s getting seriously shitty out there in the Twiitersphere. I Tweeted this:

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I didn’t wait around to see what else would be said. WTFF? I could barely stand 5 minutes of that derpy crap. I should’ve known better than to respond to anyone who is 1.) hateful or 2.) not making any sense. I won’t make that mistake again.

Jeez, Louise… *smh*

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Some people just read what they wanna read. I think it was pretty clear what you were getting at.

193 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 6:23:30pm

I got called a ni**er this morning on Twitter. Good times.

194 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 6:23:56pm

re: #188 CuriousLurker

It’s getting seriously shitty out there in the Twiitersphere. I Tweeted this:

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I didn’t wait around to see what else would be said. WTFF? I could barely stand 5 minutes of that derpy crap. I should’ve known better than to respond to anyone who is 1.) hateful or 2.) not making any sense. I won’t make that mistake again.

Jeez, Louise… *smh*

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Ucccch, “#BlackLivesMatter got fucked up when anti-choice nutters hijacked it.

195 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:24:35pm

re: #193 Gus

I got called a ni**er this morning on Twitter. Good times.

What a wonderful world.

196 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 6:24:36pm

re: #193 Gus

I got called a ni**er this morning on Twitter. Good times.

By a Hispanic woman.

I haz… nothing.

197 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:24:59pm

re: #193 Gus

Means you did something right.

198 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 6:25:50pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

What a wonderful world.

I laughed and subtweeted. She deleted it. It’s funny because she was Hispanic and last week I was called a Spi* and a Beaner.

199 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 6:26:50pm

re: #193 Gus

I got called a ni**er this morning on Twitter. Good times.

There is this fuckbag that I blocked like ages ago who calls me an Anti-Semite because he thinks The Holocaust was about gun control. He still shows up in my mentions when some other fuckbag replies to his blocked shit.

200 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:27:26pm

You know here’s the thing. We read the comments from Police One. We see videos like the one man in St. Paul. We read about police departments including high ups like sheriffs being revealed to have KKK members in their ranks or read the comments made by the one cop that the abolishment of slavery was in his words the worst to happen. And honestly it just jades you some. Now, I would never go into a situation hostile with the police but I’ve never experienced the assumption of wrong doing by the police that many minorities have over the years. That’s my white privilege.

201 CuriousLurker  Dec 21, 2014 6:27:43pm

re: #188 CuriousLurker

Oh, I missed one little interchange:

202 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:29:14pm

re: #201 CuriousLurker

She seems nice.

203 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 6:29:43pm

Smile break

204 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:30:28pm

I’m anti DP anyway but if we have the DP in our society, I don’t like it being pursued more frequently for killers of police. If you have to have a higher priority on murderers receiving the DP, do it for the most vulnerable victims like small children.

205 Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2014 6:31:30pm
206 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:32:13pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

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Bill Nye’s Science Dog?

207 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:32:44pm

Well on a bright note, today is my brother and his beautiful wife’s first anniversary. It will also be their daughter’s first Christmas this year and she watched her first viewing of Frosty yesterday and loved it.

208 thedopefishlives  Dec 21, 2014 6:32:51pm

re: #196 Gus

By a Hispanic woman.

I haz… nothing.

Wow. That’s something to cherish.

209 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 6:34:28pm

I’m going to watch a British cop show—George Gently. He not only fights crime, but corrupt LE, too, with a Detective Sergeant who’s a bit of a bully he has to take to task from time to time. Set in the ’60s and pretty well done.

Keep calm and carry on, Lizards!

Later. : )

210 CuriousLurker  Dec 21, 2014 6:34:34pm

re: #202 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

She seems nice.

I know, right? You live in the Bronx/Brooklyn and you’re anti-police?

If there was no NYPD I wonder how long she supposes it would take NYC to become hell on earth? It would turn into Somalia in a heartbeat.

211 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 6:35:50pm

re: #201 CuriousLurker

Oh, I missed one little interchange:

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Think of yourself as a social-anthropologist while on Twitter. :D

212 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:36:37pm

re: #210 CuriousLurker

I know, right? You live in the Bronx/Brooklyn and you’re anti-police?

If there was no NYPD I wonder how long she supposes it would take NYC to become hell on earth? It would turn into Somalia in a heartbeat.

Same stupid mindset about really any federal or government entity. It’s like the people who object to paying for other people’s health care because “It’s not my health care.” It’s the kind of mindset that comes with someone who is spoiled rotten.

213 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 6:39:45pm

re: #210 CuriousLurker

Did someone say Somalia?

214 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 6:40:16pm

re: #213 jaunte

Did someone say Somalia?

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Obama’s fault.

215 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 6:40:41pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Obama’s fault.

No way man! de Blasio’s fault!

216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:41:28pm

re: #215 Gus

No way man! de Blasio’s fault!

Sharpton!

217 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 6:42:12pm
218 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 6:44:07pm

Maybe reporters will start using Shaneka Thompson’s name instead of just referring to her as “the shooter’s girlfriend.”

219 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 6:49:34pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

I make bow ties look cool.
220 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 6:51:43pm

Thinking about prison Muslim converts. If a person is a criminal and has a criminal mind they are that way long before converting to Islam. IOW, Islam has nothing to do with their criminality.

221 CuriousLurker  Dec 21, 2014 6:52:19pm

Wow, I was trying to fix my initial comment and totally screwed it up. Now the editing window is expired. I give up.

G’nite, lizards.

222 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 6:53:02pm

What took so long?

223 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 6:53:53pm

Same is true with criminals that find Jesus in prison.

224 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 6:56:07pm

re: #223 Gus

Same is true with criminals that find Jesus in prison.

Jesus did hard time? What was he in for?

225 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 6:56:10pm

So this idiot just popped up in my time line

226 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 6:57:36pm

I went out.

Of all places, the Dollar Store. It wasn’t that bad.

You know, the shoppers at the Dollar Store are consistently the most polite and courteous. I never have to ask someone to move their cart, they always make sure there is room for everyone.

Anyone, I made it home unscathed.

you?

227 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 6:57:58pm

re: #224 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Jesus did hard time? What was he in for?

Disorderly conduct and parading without a license.

Also, littering.

228 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 6:58:52pm

People all over the world already thing NYC is the most dangerous place in the world.

I don’t think the current press is helping.

229 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 6:59:21pm

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

People all over the world already thing NYC is the most dangerous place in the world.

I don’t think the current press is helping.

We in Detroit laugh.

230 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 6:59:22pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

I went out.

Of all places, the Dollar Store. It wasn’t that bad.

You know, the shoppers at the Dollar Store are consistently the most polite and courteous. I never have to ask someone to move their cart, they always make sure there is room for everyone.

Anyone, I made it home unscathed.

you?

So, they’re not like the Whole Foods types who occupy the entire aisle and seem aggrieved when you ask to pass through?

231 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:00:02pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

Traitor. ;)

232 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 7:00:08pm
233 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 7:00:10pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

So this idiot just popped up in my time line

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Welfare’s the total opposite of slavery. You CHOOSE to get fucking welfare. People didn’t have a CHOICE in slavery but I see how this is yet another conservative extolling the virtues of Dr. Shit for brains Carson simply because Carson echoes the stupid crap they believe about ACA and President Obama.

234 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 7:00:42pm

re: #227 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

There was that feeding the crowd without permits thing…. No restaurant license or waste disposal permit.

235 CuriousLurker  Dec 21, 2014 7:00:48pm

re: #220 Gus

Thinking about prison Muslim converts. If a person is a criminal and has a criminal mind they are that way long before converting to Islam. IOW, Islam has nothing to do with their criminality.

Draaaag me back with your comment whydon’tcha?

Not only that, the Muslims have a lot of power in some of the prisons on the East Coast—or at least that’s what I heard back when I first moved up here—so a lot of the conversions aren’t real, they’re just for protection.

There was one mosque in Brooklyn that sort of specialized in guys coming out of prison—i.e. trying to help them integrate back into society, get jobs, etc. It basically served as a kind of halfway house.

Anyway, one day I was there early in the morning and I heard the “brothers” warning this one guy that if they caught him (doing whatever it was he’d done) again, that they’d personally throw him out the (2nd story) window. I didn’t doubt it for a moment.

236 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 7:00:51pm

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

People all over the world already thing NYC is the most dangerous place in the world.

I don’t think the current press is helping.

I actually feel pretty safe in NYC and in DC when I’m in both cities.

237 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 7:01:04pm

I’m going to end up blocking Melissa after like two more tweets. Because anyone who thinks poor people receiving food assistance is “slavery” is a fucking idiot.

238 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 7:02:00pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Welfare’s the total opposite of slavery. You CHOOSE to get fucking welfare. People didn’t have a CHOICE in slavery but I see how this is yet another conservative extolling the virtues of Dr. Shit for brains Carson simply because Carson echoes the stupid crap they believe about ACA and President Obama.

Actually people do not CHOOSE to be on welfare, they are forced to apply for assistance because THEIR FUCKING MINIMUM WAGE JRRB AT WALMART doesn’t pay enough to live on.

239 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 7:02:55pm

re: #237 The Vicious Babushka

I’m going to end up blocking Melissa after like two more tweets. Because anyone who thinks poor people receiving food assistance is “slavery” is a fucking idiot.

She only thinks that because Tom Sowell told her that and Tom Sowell is black so therefore it’s unpossible for him to have any shallow hyperbolic opinions about slavery and welfare. Really, the whole slavery = welfare thing is really the most offensive thing. No one’s forcing anyone to go on welfare. Slavery OTOH…… But what does one expect from a moronic conservative who probably thinks all their success in their life is due to them and them alone.

240 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 7:04:15pm

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Actually people do not CHOOSE to be on welfare, they are forced to apply for assistance because THEIR FUCKING MINIMUM WAGE JRRB AT WALMART doesn’t pay enough to live on.

True that’s a good point. I guess my point is no one is going on welfare at the threat if they don’t know, their family will be murdered. And I agree with your point that if employers like Wal-Mart were willing to pay better that there wouldn’t be an as big need for it but then again conservatives like our “friend” here oppose reasonable wages for workers too.

241 HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2014 7:05:14pm

Oppose welfare? FIne support a living wage you hypocritical shits.

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 7:05:19pm

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Actually people do not CHOOSE to be on welfare, they are forced to apply for assistance because THEIR FUCKING MINIMUM WAGE JRRB AT WALMART doesn’t pay enough to live on.

If they’re really lucky, like ME, you can work full time for MORE than minimum wage and STILL qualify for food stamps and not make enough money to pay your bills. So I’ve started a second job even though that’ll probably cost me my food stamps and leave me with that much less money every month…

243 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 7:05:24pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

I went out.

Of all places, the Dollar Store. It wasn’t that bad.

You know, the shoppers at the Dollar Store are consistently the most polite and courteous. I never have to ask someone to move their cart, they always make sure there is room for everyone.

Anyone, I made it home unscathed.

you?

I’m not just anyone.

244 compound_Idaho  Dec 21, 2014 7:08:35pm

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Actually people do not CHOOSE to be on welfare, they are forced to apply for assistance because THEIR FUCKING MINIMUM WAGE JRRB AT WALMART doesn’t pay enough to live on.

Enough with Walmart already. Amazon forces their low pay workers to stand in line without pay while waiting to be physically searched before going home.

245 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 7:10:19pm

re: #244 compound_Idaho

Enough with Walmart already. Amazon forces their low pay workers to stand in line without pay while waiting to be physically searched before going home.

Except in Germany, because German workers are all like “fuck that shit”

246 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 7:11:18pm

Melissa doubling down on Teh Derp

247 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 7:12:21pm

Seems to me like all of these killers are bonkers. Even that terrorist in Sydney. The Vegas shooters were also bonkers. This guy Brimley was also bonkers.

248 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 7:14:04pm
249 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 7:14:29pm

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

Melissa doubling down on Teh Derp

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Says the good GOP serf.

250 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 7:14:47pm

re: #163 The Vicious Babushka

Yonge & Sheppard

Ah. Haven’t been up that way in a while. It’s changed a bit.

251 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 7:16:13pm

I blocked Melissa because I don’t want my time line to fill up with derp while I’m asleep.

252 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 7:16:20pm

“Yeah kinda walked into that one”

LA Story
253 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2014 7:17:33pm
254 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 7:17:44pm
255 Belafon  Dec 21, 2014 7:18:51pm

re: #254 Gus

Been so busy I haven’t gotten all the news. Is there a PTSD angle to the shooting?

256 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 21, 2014 7:19:48pm

OMG.

I’m looking for a marlinspike in Nashville.

257 Kryptik  Dec 21, 2014 7:20:16pm

re: #254 Gus

A constant reminder: only whites in this country tend to be given the honor of individuality by default. And usually, if a POC is given that honor, it’s usually only so they can be used as a bludgeon against the greater group that individual ‘rose above’.

258 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 7:20:48pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

And it’s the same WRT the Military - one is required to support any action any member of the military may take, or “You hate the troops!”. You can’t hold them to any standard of civilized behavior, or you hear “They put their asses on the line for you!”

Then again, these same folks also require the same unthinking allegiance to whatever the government of Israel does.

It just grows so tiresome.

These folks are also to a person ‘anti-tax.’

So I ask them, “You support people willing to give up life, limb and sanity to protect this country but you are not even willing to give up a little money for it?” Then they start foaming and screaming about “Commiescommiescommiescommies!”

Sad.

259 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 7:21:11pm

re: #255 Belafon

Been so busy I haven’t gotten all the news. Is there a PTSD angle to the shooting?

No, of course not. Just a lot of mental health issues. Haven’t seen any general diagnosis.

260 Belafon  Dec 21, 2014 7:21:38pm

re: #259 Gus

OK.

261 Kryptik  Dec 21, 2014 7:23:27pm

re: #255 Belafon

re: #259 Gus

Yeah, just the point that, no one bothered to intimate what this guy’s motivation was past the instagram stuff, no pop diagnoses about what could’ve gone on in his head, or what circumstances might have brought him to such an end. Just instant condemnation for the groups he might have tangentially been connected to and using him as a bludgeon.

262 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 7:27:50pm

re: #203 The Vicious Babushka

Snort.

263 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 7:39:22pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

I went to Target, I was surprised it wasn’t too bad. But I’m officially done. I hope I don’t have to enter a store until after Christmas.

264 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 7:51:33pm

Somebody’s got CCJ’s fee-fees hurt. He likens it to being punched by the Champ.

(Ali is in hospital suffering from pneumonia, btw.)

265 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 7:52:05pm

Evening Photo Break

Local mountains earlier this year

Cool Light Bright Flowers
Steel Blue Sky
266 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 7:57:43pm

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

So, they’re not like the Whole Foods types who occupy the entire aisle and seem aggrieved when you ask to pass through?

Ironic —huh?

267 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 7:58:28pm

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

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So, this person never heard of the whole free bread thing in Rome? and beyond?

268 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 7:58:48pm

re: #266 FemNaziBitch

Ironic —huh?

Par for the course.. sadly.

269 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 7:59:25pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

I actually feel pretty safe in NYC and in DC when I’m in both cities.

Same in Chicago —never once seen a gangsta with Tommy Gun.

270 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 8:00:45pm

The passing years have left me slow on the draw. I saw the words “Chuck Todd,” and “Breitbart” so I skipped directly to the comments and missed this:

Breitbart Columnist: U.S. Needs to Fight North Korea, Not Sony

Fight North Korea? Being a RWNJ he means “Send other people’s sons and daughters to fight North Korea.” Like all the rest of them, he’d rather have his country die for him.

271 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 8:04:12pm
272 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 8:05:19pm

re: #270 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The passing years have left me slow on the draw. I saw the words “Chuck Todd,” and “Breitbart” so I skipped directly to the comments and so missed this:

Fight North Korea? Being a RWNJ he means “Send other people’s sons and daughters to fight North Korea.” Like all the rest of them, he’d rather have his country die for him.

I had no idea Obama is about to declare war on Sony.

273 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:07:40pm
274 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 8:09:12pm

re: #272 b_sharp

I had no idea Obama is about to declare war on Sony.

Well, if we can fight a war against substances and a war against a tactic then we must be able to fight one lousy corporation. We will have to double defense spending to assure victory though.

275 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:13:20pm

re: #274 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Sony isn’t a corporation, it’s people.

276 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2014 8:14:32pm

re: #275 darthstar

Sony isn’t a corporation, it’s people.

So, it’s Soylent Green?

277 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 8:15:28pm

Off to bed for me. Wifey is about to sleep in her chair so I have to be ready to pop downstairs when she needs me.

She can’t even get up to go to the bathroom with help right now.

278 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 8:17:51pm

re: #277 b_sharp

Off to bed for me. Wifey is about to sleep in her chair so I have to be ready to pop downstairs when she needs me.

She can’t even get up to go to the bathroom with help right now.

DM me!

279 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:18:53pm

re: #276 Blind Frog Belly White

So, it’s Soylent Green?

With less cholesterol.

280 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:19:19pm

Marshawn Lynch is a fucking machine.

281 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:20:58pm
282 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 8:24:18pm

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

There is this fuckbag that I blocked like ages ago who calls me an Anti-Semite because he thinks The Holocaust was about gun control. He still shows up in my mentions when some other fuckbag replies to his blocked shit.

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Another obvious underdstanding FAIL, seeing as how those men in civilian clothes are carrying British-design Sten Guns. Most such were made in the UK, though those look like Mark IIIs, and about 700 Mark III copies were made in Poland by the Home Army.

283 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 8:28:17pm

Puts on Hendrix album.

284 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 8:28:22pm

re: #269 FemNaziBitch

Same in Chicago —never once seen a gangsta with Tommy Gun.

None now remain in criminal hands, of course. Though it interesting to note that the last gang-held Thompson SMG in Chicago was not confiscated by the Chicago Police until the early 1990’s. To my knowledge, they still hold onto it, not wishing to destroy one of the remaining specimens of a weapon that defined Chicago in a number of ways.

285 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 8:29:59pm

re: #283 Gus

Puts on Hendrix album.

Double points if it’s “Electric Ladyland.”

286 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:31:05pm
287 Gus  Dec 21, 2014 8:32:09pm

And so castles made of sand. Fall into the sea. Eventually.

288 Sherlock Hound  Dec 21, 2014 8:32:15pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Or, “Get the fuck out of my country.”

My favorite phrasing of this: “You have the duty obligation right to leave!”

289 Lidane  Dec 21, 2014 8:35:16pm

re: #286 darthstar

This game is embarrassing for Arizona. Wow.

290 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 8:36:00pm

re: #287 Gus

And so castles made of sand. Fall into the sea. Eventually.

Okay, triple points.

“And it really didn’t have to stop,
It just kept on going…”

291 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 21, 2014 8:43:13pm

re: #277 b_sharp

Off to bed for me. Wifey is about to sleep in her chair so I have to be ready to pop downstairs when she needs me.

She can’t even get up to go to the bathroom with help right now.

Had some experience with similar symptoms with a non-diabetic adult member of my family.

Until a toe changed color, the medical focus was on neurological or lower spinal issues. A visit to a vascular surgeon changed that.

Turned out to be blocked blood flow to one leg, with flow to the other restricted.

After multiple bypass surgery, it looks like all limbs, and phalanges will survive.

{{hope your wife’s issue isn’t as extreme}}

292 Sherlock Hound  Dec 21, 2014 8:45:46pm

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Actually people do not CHOOSE to be on welfare, they are forced to apply for assistance because THEIR FUCKING MINIMUM WAGE JRRB AT WALMART doesn’t pay enough to live on.

Or better yet, they’re disabled. Not that it happened to me.

293 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 21, 2014 8:50:27pm

re: #287 Gus

And so castles made of sand. Fall into the sea. Eventually.

Damn, I was thinking “All Along The Watchtower,” with that searing Hendrix guitar intro.

294 Usually refered to as anyways  Dec 21, 2014 8:54:34pm

re: #287 Gus

And so castles made of sand. Fall into the sea. Eventually.

Nice to see your face Gus…

This is a nice version
Tuck & Patti - Castles Made Of Sand/Little Wing

295 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 9:00:06pm

Random thought:

Maybe it’s because I’m old-ish, but I don’t understand how anyone would pay $200 for headphones.

??

296 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 9:04:49pm
297 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 9:05:04pm

re: #295 Jenner7

Random thought:

Maybe it’s because I’m old-ish, but I don’t understand how anyone would pay $200 for headphones.

??

I guess that you won’t be buying a $2179 pair of earbuds either.

298 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 9:06:07pm

Evening Lizards. It’s snowing like crazy in the Colorado Rocky Mountains, I-70 is currently shut down at Vail and Loveland Pass is closed due to high avalanche danger.

Which makes me happier than pigs in shit. I think I’ll take these sticks out tomorrow.

299 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 9:07:49pm

re: #298 teleskiguy

Evening Lizards. It’s snowing like crazy in the Colorado Rocky Mountains, I-70 is currently shut down at Vail and Loveland Pass is closed due to high avalanche danger.

Which makes me happier than pigs in shit. I think I’ll take these sticks out tomorrow.

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They’re a bit drab. Don’t you have any that are a bit more colorful? : )

300 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 9:07:57pm

“NevadaTeaParty now follows you on Twitter.”

O_o

301 makeitstop  Dec 21, 2014 9:15:06pm

re: #290 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Okay, triple points.

“And it really didn’t have to stop,
It just kept on going…”

A reviewer once described Jimi’s chordal ending to that song as ‘The sound of a giant metallic bird, teetering off into the sunset,’ or words to that effect.

One of my many, many favorite Hendrix guitar figures.

302 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 9:18:33pm

re: #297 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Oof!

303 sagehen  Dec 21, 2014 9:20:21pm

re: #295 Jenner7

Random thought:

Maybe it’s because I’m old-ish, but I don’t understand how anyone would pay $200 for headphones.

??

Some of them are actually worth it, blocking out all other noise (including busy streets), full frequency range, solid construction that doesn’t break when you drop them, etc.

304 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 9:22:13pm
305 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 9:24:33pm

re: #303 sagehen

I’ve paid over $200 for headphones because I’m very careful not to drop headphones. Anything more than twenty bucks for earbuds is out of the question for me.

306 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 9:28:08pm

I spent over $100 for my bluetooth.

I’d pay thousands for a bluetooth implant.

I am ready to be partially Borg.

307 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 21, 2014 9:30:25pm

OMFG, just got back home from Gatlinburg and another fucking family Christmas in the Smokey Mountains.

My Super Racist Grandfather in law didn’t make it.

Hey darth… picked up some Ghost Peppers. Going to make some Ghost Chili this week.

Gus, great to see you back here.

The East Tennessee Chapter of Fox News believers were going nuts this weekend. The only time I was able to get the TV off Fox News during waking hours was to watch UK basketball put a ridiculous ass whoopin on UCLA. Had almost no internet connection, so I had no solace to go to from the Fox News crew in the in-laws extended family.

Home now, going to flip the DVR on to Christmas Vacation and let it watch me fall asleep. See you all tomorrow.

308 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 9:31:41pm

Hey Charles, just ponied up for a year subscription. Only the second time I’ve given a website money for just the website.

The first time was with Andrew Sullivan and I cancelled that subscription after one year, he can be pretty insufferable though I still think he’s a good writer.

Thanks Charles for this little oasis in the fewer swamps. And thanks for knocking 20 bucks off the price for the holidays.

Cheers! :-D

309 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 9:34:57pm

re: #307 nearly-headless smith25

Welcome back. No black eyes?

310 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 9:35:23pm

Wow, it loads up so quick!

311 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 21, 2014 9:38:25pm

re: #309 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Welcome back. No black eyes?

Let’s just say, It’s good I had some Bourbon in my bag. Played sick most of Saturday too.

312 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 9:39:03pm

re: #307 nearly-headless smith25

{{{{nearly-headless}}}}}

313 #FergusonFireside  Dec 21, 2014 9:39:14pm

re: #311 nearly-headless smith25

Let’s just say, It’s good I had some Bourbon in my bag. Played sick most of Saturday too.

Not feeling good is a classic way out.

Glad you are back to sanity.

314 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 21, 2014 9:40:30pm

My oldest Son turns eight tomorrow, so we are planning on a pretty big day with his friends. Life will feel back to normal very soon.

315 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 9:41:43pm

re: #314 nearly-headless smith25

My oldest Son turns eight tomorrow, so we are planning on a pretty big day with his friends. Life will feel back to normal very soon.

Kids birthdays are soooo much more fun than xmas.

We are having my kids party tomorow —hopefully. Hubby is sick today. I need him to be here and healthy, I hope we don’t have to cancel.

316 #FergusonFireside  Dec 21, 2014 9:50:24pm

Maybe we will finally get Darren Wilson’s facebook page…

317 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 9:52:10pm

MMMMOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!

318 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 9:53:49pm

NYTOL

319 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 9:56:27pm

re: #316 #FergusonFireside

What. The. Fuck. There are horrible cops in St. Louis County. Departments need to be disbanded.

320 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 10:05:30pm

What a terrible, random thing. And it’s fanning the flames.

321 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 10:09:21pm

Good night, all Sweet dreams and hopes for a better tomorrow.

322 #FergusonFireside  Dec 21, 2014 10:11:09pm
323 #FergusonFireside  Dec 21, 2014 10:23:44pm

OK, I think I’m officially wound down.

Night all, see you tomorrow.

324 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 10:30:47pm
325 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 10:57:12pm

re: #324 teleskiguy

How deep’s the snow cover there now?

326 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 11:00:40pm

re: #325 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

How deep’s the snow cover there now?

In the Vail area, anywhere between 30 and 45 inch base depending on the location and slope aspect, sometimes more on the windloaded slopes. Over 100 inches have been recorded since Halloween at Vail’s official snow stake.

327 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 11:04:08pm

re: #326 teleskiguy

In the Vail area, anywhere between 30 and 45 inch base depending on the location and slope aspect, sometimes more on the windloaded slopes. Over 100 inches have been recorded since Halloween at Vail’s official snow stake.

Oooo! I envy you. I haven’t lived in the RM West since 1980, and I miss cross-country skiing. I was never a downhill guy. Spending Christmas Eve xc skiing, drinking wine and smoking weed more or less simultaneously was one of the best holidays I’ve had evah!

328 teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2014 11:22:11pm

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Oooo! I envy you. I haven’t lived in the RM West since 1980, and I miss cross-country skiing. I was never a downhill guy. Spending Christmas Eve xc skiing, drinking wine and smoking weed more or less simultaneously was one of the best holidays I’ve had evah!

I need to get into XC skiing again. Years ago I’d XC ski on Rabbit Ears Pass near Steamboat Springs, CO. I remember the serenity, hearing nothing but the sounds of your skis and breathing.

329 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 11:28:42pm

re: #328 teleskiguy

I need to get into XC skiing again. Years ago I’d XC ski on Rabbit Ears Pass near Steamboat Springs, CO. I remember the serenity, hearing nothing but the sounds of your skis and breathing.

My son’s moving to Denver next month, so in the future I hope to get back into skiing and introduce him to it. I still have my xc skis stashed in a relative’s house, but need new boots. Mice got to the old ones.

Gotta buy some new wax, too.

330 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 11:32:42pm
331 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 2:43:42am

re: #330 Kragar

Baby Jesus killed the thread.

Or people are sleeping.

332 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 22, 2014 2:53:35am

re: #331 darthstar

Baby Jesus killed the thread.

Or people are sleeping.

‘Twas work hours for me, but now it’s dinnertime.

333 freetoken  Dec 22, 2014 3:24:27am

I’m not surprised to see Nolte on MTP. NBC/U, like CNN, has learned that the only way to keep eyes on product is to up the melodrama or faux outrage or anything that is not, gasp, boring.

America wants to be entertained, not informed, and most certainly not challenged.

334 freetoken  Dec 22, 2014 3:26:38am

re: #330 Kragar

MP3 Audio

335 freetoken  Dec 22, 2014 3:29:57am

MP3 Audio

336 freetoken  Dec 22, 2014 3:36:31am

Time to break out some of the good stuff…

MP3 Audio

337 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 22, 2014 3:51:40am

re: #333 freetoken

I’m not surprised to see Nolte on MTP. NBC/U, like CNN, has learned that the only way to keep eyes on product is to up the melodrama or faux outrage or anything that is not, gasp, boring.

America wants to be entertained, not informed, and most certainly not challenged.

We are still deluded into believing that we are the customers and the programming is the product.

The product they sell is advertising time, the programming is there just to make the advertising time worth more by attracting maximum viewage.

338 dell*nix  Dec 22, 2014 4:15:22am

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

Seems like it could call into question every case he has had a hand in. If he used bad testimony in this case how many other times did he do it?

Also the CSI brings doubt to any case he touched. How many times has he been sloppy has he been in gathering evidence?

339 dell*nix  Dec 22, 2014 4:34:09am

re: #326 teleskiguy

Part of the daily weather brief for the medivac squadron commander was current and forecast snow conditions. This was when I was at Scott AFB as station chief.

340 Timothy Watson  Dec 22, 2014 4:43:52am
Records from 10 public universities in Virginia show that only one has not expelled a student for sexual assault since 2009. Sixteen students combined were expelled from nine schools over varying periods ranging from 2009 to this year. George Mason expelled four and James Madison, three. Christopher Newport and Radford expelled two. Five others schools expelled one each. The University of Virginia expelled none. From 1998 to the beginning of the fall semester, UVa expelled 183 students for honor code violations but not one for sexual assault, according to university records. The Daily Progress requested the number of suspensions and expulsions over a three-year period from a dozen other public universities and received data from all but three — Virginia State, Norfolk State and Old Dominion. While the time periods, terms universities used and extent of information they provided made direct comparison difficult, the distinction between UVa and its counterparts was clear.

Daily Progress

341 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 4:50:50am

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY
(OF COURSE IT’S STILL EARLY)

342 Maggie's Pa  Dec 22, 2014 5:03:32am

Elf had a rough night, a lot of pressure to make all the toys!

343 FemNaziBitch  Dec 22, 2014 5:12:52am

Hubby awake on and off all night —flu-like symptoms. Have to cancel plans for today :(.

Hope he isn’t sick all week. he really feels awful.

you?

344 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 5:13:39am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

Hubby awake on and off all night —flu-like symptoms. Have to cancel plans for today :(.

Hope he isn’t sick all week. he really feels awful.

you?

Zedushka better not get sick, we’re going to Miami Beach in 2 days!

345 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 5:17:25am

2ND MOAST STUPID MEME OF THE DAY (TOLD YA IT WAS EARLY)

346 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 5:27:34am

I have to do a meme of a Tea Party gun-fucker that goes like this:

THINKS HE NEEDS A SHITLOAD OF GUNS TO PROTECT HIMSELF FROM THE POLICE

SUPPORTS POLICE SHOOTING RANDOM PEOPLE FOR ANY REASON

347 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 22, 2014 5:30:58am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

I have to do a meme of a Tea Party gun-fucker that goes like this:

THINKS HE NEEDS A SHITLOAD OF GUNS TO PROTECT HIMSELF FROM THE POLICE

SUPPORTS POLICE SHOOTING RANDOM PEOPLE FOR ANY REASON

Random “Blah” people for any reason.

348 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 22, 2014 5:31:23am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

Hubby awake on and off all night —flu-like symptoms. Have to cancel plans for today :(.

Hope he isn’t sick all week. he really feels awful.

you?

Hope all is better soon. I have been fighting similar symptoms all week.

349 FemNaziBitch  Dec 22, 2014 5:38:17am

Thanks —I’m kinda in a holding pattern with it.

He feels just awful.

you feel better!

350 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 22, 2014 5:40:39am

re: #298 teleskiguy

Disc golf and boarding seem to be the two sports where the objects of plaDisc Golf Discy are also inherently objects of art.

351 FemNaziBitch  Dec 22, 2014 5:40:45am
352 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 22, 2014 5:42:06am

OT, but I had no idea Craig Ferguson’s show was so weird.
Craig Ferguson - All A Dream

353 FemNaziBitch  Dec 22, 2014 5:45:20am
354 FemNaziBitch  Dec 22, 2014 5:46:03am
355 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 5:49:39am

So I guess I didn’t miss much by not watching MTP.

356 FemNaziBitch  Dec 22, 2014 5:51:06am
357 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 22, 2014 5:55:07am

re: #354 FemNaziBitch

bwahahahaha. Thanks, that laugh felt good.

358 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 6:03:12am

re: #356 FemNaziBitch

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What a cute doggie! You know, sometimes nature is just the best designer going. What a great black and white coat.

By the way…I ask the world, and especially the U.S. part of it, for a small Christmas wish/gift.

Can we get through Christmas week without any mass killing sprees?

Pretty please…can we huh?

That would make a Merry Merry week for all of us. Thank You!

359 FemNaziBitch  Dec 22, 2014 6:05:54am

going back to bed.

Hope I’m not getting what hubby has.

bbl

360 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 22, 2014 6:06:48am

re: #358 ObserverArt

What a cute doggie! You know, sometimes nature is just the best designer going. What a great black and white coat.

By the way…I ask the world, and especially the U.S. part of it, for a small Christmas wish/gift.

Can we get through Christmas week without any mass killing sprees?

Pretty please…can we huh?

That would make a Merry Merry week for all of us. Thank You!

Seconded.

361 Maggie's Pa  Dec 22, 2014 6:15:58am

Netflix movies that expire on Jan. 1, 2015

362 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 22, 2014 6:18:25am

Good morning Lizards.

Quiet time for a bit sitting by the wood stove. Cold outside and still about 1” of old snow on the ground. The shed cats look like little Eskimos with their thick layers of fur. A few deer in the woods, and relays of chickadees visiting the feeder.

The venison chili turned out well. Spicy, but not that hot, since the others here have less chile pepper heat tolerance than me. (I just add a dash of hot sauce to my bowl.)

Lots of cookies around since we made both butter cookies and gingerbread yesterday. My niece’s set of Star Wars gingerbread cutters were opened yesterday as a belated birthday present rather than a Christmas present so that they could be used. This led eventually to “that’s no moon, it’s a cookie!”

363 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 6:19:46am

It’s a day ending in Y, so while traffic was lighter due to folks being off for the holidays, the GOP isn’t taking vacations from derptastic statements.

The latest? I give you Dr. Ben Carson. Presidential wannabe. Full time hack.

364 KerFuFFler  Dec 22, 2014 6:21:03am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

There are no photos of G.W. Bush saluting fallen soldiers caskets. NONE!

No one died on W’s watch, not soldiers or people in the World Trade Center. He kept us all safe.//

365 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 6:25:13am

re: #363 lawhawk

It’s a day ending in Y, so while traffic was lighter due to folks being off for the holidays, the GOP isn’t taking vacations from derptastic statements.

The latest? I give you Dr. Ben Carson. Presidential wannabe. Full time hack.

[Embedded content]

Nice beard you got there too Ben.

//

366 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 6:25:17am

Look & laugh at Teh Stupid that just showed up in my time line:

367 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 6:25:57am

re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are still deluded into believing that we are the customers and the programming is the product.

The product they sell is advertising time, the programming is there just to make the advertising time worth more by attracting maximum viewage.

As I’ve said before; the pushers provide the drugs to the addicts, the addicts pay the advertisers for the product advertised and the advertisers pay the pushers.

368 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 6:28:55am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY
(OF COURSE IT’S STILL EARLY)

[Embedded content]

Once again the wingnuts draw the parallel between themselves and the fascists of WWII.

In each case they thought the ‘liberals’ were weak, effete and afraid to die. Guess who won?

You assholes will be in for an unpleasant surprise if you try using violence on me.

369 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 6:31:11am

oh dear:

370 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 6:31:12am

I don’t know who is MOAR STUPIDS, the gun fuckers or the poor-shamers.

Both these types have “Christian” in their profile bios.

371 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 22, 2014 6:31:14am

re: #366 The Vicious Babushka

Look & laugh at Teh Stupid that just showed up in my time line:

[Embedded content]

Come live here in flyover, Riceman. Try to find a job that pays enough more than minimum wage to matter. Try. That stepping stone is the only stone in the stream.

372 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 6:32:34am

re: #371 William Barnett-Lewis

Come live here in flyover, Riceman. Try to find a job that pays enough more than minimum wage to matter. Try. That stepping stone is the only stone in the stream.

Assholes like “Riceman” need poor people, and especially poor Black people, to look down on so they can feel they are “better” than somebody.

373 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 22, 2014 6:32:45am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know who is MOAR STUPIDS, the gun fuckers or the poor-shamers.

Both these types have “Christian” in their profile bios.

Feh. To use their own “logic” on them, they would be CINOs.

374 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 6:36:14am
375 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 6:36:26am

re:
#366

The Riceman

Koch Industries must be running out of names for these twitterbots.

376 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 6:36:43am

NYT Editorial Board calls for prosecution of torturers and those who enabled them.

The question everyone will want answered, of course, is: Who should be held accountable? That will depend on what an investigation finds, and as hard as it is to imagine Mr. Obama having the political courage to order a new investigation, it is harder to imagine a criminal probe of the actions of a former president.

But any credible investigation should include former Vice President Dick Cheney; Mr. Cheney’s chief of staff, David Addington; the former C.I.A. director George Tenet; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, the Office of Legal Counsel lawyers who drafted what became known as the torture memos. There are many more names that could be considered, including Jose Rodriguez Jr., the C.I.A. official who ordered the destruction of the videotapes; the psychologists who devised the torture regimen; and the C.I.A. employees who carried out that regimen.

I can’t wait to hear the howling this is going to set off.

377 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 6:39:16am

re:
#363

“When I mention bestiality or pedophilia in the same sentence with homosexuality, people say ‘Carson says they’re the same.’ Of course they’re not the same. That point was if you change the definition of marriage for one group, you’ll have to change it for the next group and the next group,” Carson said.

See, it’s all the media’s fault. //

378 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 6:40:21am
379 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 6:41:29am

re: #371 William Barnett-Lewis

Come live here in flyover, Riceman. Try to find a job that pays enough more than minimum wage to matter. Try. That stepping stone is the only stone in the stream.

IN CAPITALIST AMERICA, YOU ARE THE STONE BEING STEPPED ON!

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 6:43:25am
381 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 6:43:33am

re:
#378

John Philip Sousa IV has a mission: Convince a retired neurosurgeon with no political experience to run for President — and then help him win.

The main person urging Ben Carson to run is Ben Carson.

382 Snarknado!  Dec 22, 2014 6:44:28am

re: #376 makeitstop

Investigation/prosecution works for me, but Obama lacking political courage? Where have they been the last couple of weeks?

383 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 6:45:14am

re: #382 Snarknado!

Investigation/prosecution works for me, but Obama lacking political courage? Where have they been the last couple of weeks?

In their bunkers.

384 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 22, 2014 6:47:01am

re: #381 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#378

The main person urging Ben Carson to run is Ben Carson.

But God told him to do it!
///

385 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 6:47:47am

re: #378 darthstar

[Embedded content]

How touching and no dog whistles at all in that Dr. Ben article:

His mother worked three jobs. She married when she was 13, and had two boys. Of course, the father took off.

386 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 6:48:07am

re: #384 Feline Fearless Leader

But God told him to do it!
///

Same thing.

//

387 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 6:50:26am

re: #385 b.d.

How touching and no dog whistles at all in that Dr. Ben article:

388 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 6:51:13am

re: #385 b.d.

How touching and no dog whistles at all in that Dr. Ben article:

And the reason that all people of color aren’t neurosurgeons is because they lack gumption, by cracky! Odd that they’re trying to put him on a pedestal because he worked his way up at the same time they’re accusing Obama of everything but mopery with intent.

389 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 6:51:31am

re:
#379

I received this in my inbox this morning, an invitation from the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank in DC, to attend a book discussion:

Many Americans still view labor unions as they were in America’s industrial heyday. But in 21st-century America, labor unions are strongest in a sector in which they were once practically absent: government. The federal, state, and local governments have among the highest unionization rates of any sector of employment, and public-sector unions are a powerful political force in practically every state.

In “Government Against Itself: Public Union Power and Its Consequences” (Oxford University Press, 2015), Daniel DiSalvo argues that public-sector unions have profited from generous compensation packages while workers in the private sector have struggled with stagnant wages, disappearing benefits, and rising retirement ages. Attempts to rein in the unions, as in Wisconsin and New Jersey, have met massive resistance.

Private sector = Stagnant wages, disappearing benefits, and rising retirement ages.

The conservative goal is not yet complete as long as public sector unions exist.

390 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 6:52:06am

re: #373 William Barnett-Lewis

Feh. To use their own “logic” on them, they would be CINOs.

I’ve taken to calling them ‘Americanists’.

What they claim is Christianity is actually a weird form of animism similar in some ways to Shinto. America is now a faith and holy land in one package.

And their faith demands they treat non-believers like shit.

391 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 6:52:41am

STUPIDEST GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY

392 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 6:58:34am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

Because what was good advice 2000 years ago is certainly good advice today. And here we thought that they only wanted to go back to the Middle Ages.

393 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 6:59:04am
394 BlueSpotinAL  Dec 22, 2014 7:01:15am

re: #376 makeitstop

NYT Editorial Board calls for prosecution of torturers and those who enabled them.

I can’t wait to hear the howling this is going to set off.

Does that include Judith Miller?

395 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 7:03:19am

re: #392 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Because what was good advice 2000 years ago is certainly good advice today. And here we thought that they only wanted to go back to the Middle Ages.

Funny how they ignore all the stuff in the Bible about caring for the poor and homeless and just home in on the weapons stuff.

396 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 22, 2014 7:03:48am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY

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Ignorant twits. There is no way to “buy” a sword (a couple of pounds of expensive iron) with the proceeds from a few feet of woven wool. That being the case, you might want to ponder what the “sword” is a metaphor for.

397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 7:07:30am
398 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 7:08:46am
399 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 7:09:50am

At The New Yorker:
Ayn Rand Reviews Children’s Movies

“Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs”

An industrious young woman neglects to charge for her housekeeping services and is rightly exploited for her naïveté. She dies without ever having sought her own happiness as the highest moral aim. I did not finish watching this movie, finding it impossible to sympathize with the main character. —No stars.

More at the LINK.

400 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 7:09:56am

Bin lorry=UK-speak for garbage truck

401 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 7:10:18am

TARP, the much maligned program that included the auto and big bank bailout, quietly ended on Friday when the US government sold off its final remaining stake in Ally Capital (which was formerly GMAC).

The program ended up making $15.3 billion for taxpayers. That’s even though the auto-portion of the bailout sunk about $9 billion in costs (the cost of doing nothing would have been up to $100 billion in a direct and indirect hit to jobs, businesses, and related fields from the shuttering of auto plants and businesses across the nation).

That’s not a typo. It didn’t cost the government anything. It made money to bail out the banks and auto industry. Most of the profit from the bailouts came from banks that sought to pay off the loans early, but the overall program saved jobs, the auto industry, and made money for the government overall.

402 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 7:14:39am

re:
#401

the cost of doing nothing would have been up to $100 billion in a direct and indirect hit to jobs, businesses, and related fields from the shuttering of auto plants and businesses across the nation

Yeah but it would have been less-government and we could have blamed Obama even moar as the economy sunk further!!!!

//

403 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 7:15:25am
404 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 7:16:27am

re: #403 lawhawk

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Sorry I just can’t take seriously a “judge” who makes ducklips

405 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 7:19:13am

re: #403 lawhawk

Did I miss the repeal of the 1st amendment?

406 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 7:22:27am

re: #405 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Did I miss the repeal of the 1st amendment?

Bryan can’t wait

Bryan won’t be so happy when the “porn enforcers” find his cache of boy pictures.

407 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 7:22:47am

re: #405 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Did I miss the repeal of the 1st amendment?

They really do sound like they want to silence anyone who’s not 100% behind the cops. There was a retired NYPD detective on CNN Saturday afternoon who said pretty much the same thing.

Pretty ironic, since they’re the ones always whining about how this conservative or that is being ‘silenced.’

408 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 7:24:17am

Pakistan to execute 500 convicted militants

Texas and Oklahoma will be soooo jealous. The upside is that Bryan Fischer may masturbate himself into a coma.

409 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 7:24:36am

er:
#406

It can be done: China arrests 30,000 in an effort to stop online porn.

Is this the less government conservatives keep demanding?

//

410 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 7:26:28am

re: #405 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Apparently criticism of police brutality and the need to improve community policing is illegal in the eyes of Hannity and other right wingers. Pushing for insubordination by cops, recall or impeaching the mayor and president over statements they never actually made.

Calling for better policing isn’t anti-cop. It’s what everyone should want or need.

Cops do not get carte blanche to do whatever they want. They should not have the divine right to kill unarmed people and never face a jury trial to determine whether they’ve done something wrong.

What we’re seeing is that right wingers and statists want people to never question cops’ actions, even when they’re bad or worse. Cops kill people with impunity; some cases are truly justified, but there are far too many cases where cops shoot first and the circumstances do not warrant deadly force.

They never gave Tamir Rice a chance. They never gave John Crawford a chance. They killed Eric Garner with an illegal choke hold. No cops have been indicted in any of those cases.

They killed Akai Gurley and no charges filed, even as the NYPD admits that the man did nothing wrong.

Deadly force used in all those cases, and not one indictment has been handed down. That’s not justice. That’s the opposite of justice.

It’s letting bad cops get away with murder. Heck, they never even considered reckless endangerment for the cop who killed Eric Garner, even though the cop used an illegal move under NYPD rules.

That’s also on prosecutors who refuse to indict cops at an alarming rate; prosecutors have to rely on cops to make their cases, so there’s a too cozy relationship there too.

The end result is injustice after injustice heaped on a minority community that continues to suffer indignities and take the blame when someone engages in violence in ways that white communities never do.

411 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 7:27:46am

re: #407 makeitstop

They really do sound like they want to silence anyone who’s not 100% behind the cops. There was a retired NYPD detective on CNN Saturday afternoon who said pretty much the same thing.

Pretty ironic, since they’re the ones always whining about how this conservative or that is being ‘silenced.’

Nothing new here. Remember when anyone who questioned cowboying into Iraq was a terrorist-loving commie traitor?

412 Maggie's Pa  Dec 22, 2014 7:29:29am

Tension in NYC like the 1970’s

New York Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton said Monday that tensions in the city are echoing those in the 1970s — a fear he expressed only days prior to the ambush killings of two police officers.
“Who would’ve ever thought déjà vu all over again, that we would be back where we were 40-some-odd years ago,” Bratton said in an interview on NBC’s “Today.”

Bratton attributed protests that followed the decisions by separate juries to not indict police officers in the deaths of Brown and Garner as a factor in the subsequent killings of Ramos and Liu.
“… It’s quite apparent, quite obvious, that the targeting of these two police officers was a direct spinoff of this issue of these demonstrations,” the police chief said.

413 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 7:29:41am

DEMON SHEEP LADY IS BAAAAAACK

414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 7:30:51am

re:
#410

And yet it’s RWNJ like Hannity who keep complaining about Facism and DHS buying too many bullets, etc.

415 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 7:32:35am

re:
#413

The clown car is going to need more seats, extra shock absorbers. /

416 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 7:40:49am

re: #412 Maggie’s Pa

And what’s insane is that crime is at or near historic lows. The murder rate in NYC has never been this low. Ever. The absolute number of homicides in NYC has been near this level in decades.

Yet, the PBA and NYPD are pushing insubordination and claiming that the mayor disrespected them by claiming that his son has to watch out for cops - racial profiling that minorities know to be true - because statistics bears out that very reality.

Calling for improved policing isn’t anti-cop. It’s for improved policing and improved relations between community and law enforcement in a social compact. The NYPD and PBA want to blow up that social compact because they’ve got a social agenda antithetical to the civilian control of law enforcement.

They’ve shown animus to the mayor that is uncalled for and that’s on the NYPD - not the mayor.

The mayor called for the end of stop and frisk. A judge had ruled that stop and frisk was improper as well. Ending it ended a significant component of racial profiling. Interestingly crime rates didn’t rise. They continued to drop.

Curious how that happened.

Yet the PBA still thinks the mayor is against cops.

As for reported claims that the NYPD will now respond to all calls with 2 cop cars, that’s a blatant call by the PBA to pad cases and workload so as to justify future budgets and personnel. It wont necessarily improve public safety or the safety of law enforcement either.

We’re still trying to learn details about the killer, including how he got the gun that killed the two officers. But from what we know, he was a hardened criminal with a lengthy rap sheet who had animus with cops long before he carried out his assassination of the two officers in Brooklyn.

The PBA and other right wingers are quick to blame the WH, the President, the US AG, Mayor DeBlasio and “progressives” for setting up the tone of conversation allowing or causing the assassination, yet there’s no repudiation of right wingers statements that are actually incendiary and where sovereign citizens murdered Nevada law enforcement officers after having spent time at the Bundy Ranch supporting anti-law enforcement activities there and elsewhere.

Demanding equal justice under the law is not anti-cop. It’s justice for all.

417 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 7:47:33am

Empathy. It’s what’s lacking with the GOP and right wing. They show a sociopathic lack of it.

They think that cutting taxes for the wealthy is going to improve the lives of people barely making ends meet. They impose hardships on those who make minimum wage that hasn’t kept up with the cost of living and oppose common sense access to health insurance. They claim it’s because of the cost to business and that government is too large. Yet they simultaneous demand that women undergo needless procedures and waste time jumping through hoops to get abortions at tremendous cost to the women, and burden a health care system that sees far too much needless testing done.

They demand drug testing and means testing to get welfare, even though drug use isn’t any greater for those on welfare than in suburban white neighborhoods.

It’s a lack of empathy. And it’s everywhere you look when the GOP issues a position statement.

Immigration? No empathy and outright hostility to figuring out a path to citizenship for people already here (or have overstayed visas, etc.)

Police brutality? It’s the black community’s fault for the acts of single persons, even though minorities are disproportionately affected by police brutality and excessive force incidents.

418 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 7:47:49am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#410

And yet it’s RWNJ like Hannity who keep complaining about Facism and DHS buying too many bullets, etc.

Conservatives will kiss the boot that comes down on their faces as long as that boot already has the blood of people of color on it.

419 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 7:55:18am

What just makes me shake my head is that the wingnuts have abandoned every argument they have against unions to snuggle up to the PBA. Here it is, supporting bad cops and using its power to influence politics and wingnuts love them for it. This is the only union in the country that can act like one step up from the mafia and wingnuts will applaud them instead of demanding they be torn down.

420 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 7:57:51am

Word Salad With Rice==>

421 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 8:02:23am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

Some wingnut; he forgot to throw in “commie,” “socialist,” and “fascist.” He even forgot to mention Bill Ayres.

422 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 8:04:24am

re: #419 Targetpractice

Maybe it’s because they don’t have union in their title. Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. Or is it the Pro-Bowler’s Association.

423 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 8:06:34am

re: #422 lawhawk

Maybe it’s because they don’t have union in their title. Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. Or is it the Pro-Bowler’s Association.

Patrolmen’s Beatdown Association.

424 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 8:09:51am

re: #423 Higgs Boson’s Mate

They’re a rap group. /

425 Mattand  Dec 22, 2014 8:11:12am

re: #417 lawhawk

Empathy. It’s what’s lacking with the GOP and right wing. They show a sociopathic lack of it.

They think that cutting taxes for the wealthy is going to improve the lives of people barely making ends meet. They impose hardships on those who make minimum wage that hasn’t kept up with the cost of living and oppose common sense access to health insurance. They claim it’s because of the cost to business and that government is too large. Yet they simultaneous demand that women undergo needless procedures and waste time jumping through hoops to get abortions at tremendous cost to the women, and burden a health care system that sees far too much needless testing done.

They demand drug testing and means testing to get welfare, even though drug use isn’t any greater for those on welfare than in suburban white neighborhoods.

It’s a lack of empathy. And it’s everywhere you look when the GOP issues a position statement.

Immigration? No empathy and outright hostility to figuring out a path to citizenship for people already here (or have overstayed visas, etc.)

Police brutality? It’s the black community’s fault for the acts of single persons, even though minorities are disproportionately affected by police brutality and excessive force incidents.

This needs to be shouted from the top of every skyscraper and mountain top.

This is why I can’t bring myself to support the Republican party. If you’re aligning yourself with these people, this is what you’re supporting.

426 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 8:14:46am

re: #422 lawhawk

Maybe it’s because they don’t have union in their title. Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. Or is it the Pro-Bowler’s Association.

I think it’s more a case of being unable to distinguish reality from fantasy. There’s no shows or movies that deal with a steelworkers union or a teacher’s union being the good guys who beat a lot of “bad guys” up and save the day. But we’ve had an endless stream of cop shows, movies, books, and so forth where the cop is never in the wrong, the bad guy is always as guilty as sin, and the police union is there to stand up for good cops.

427 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 8:16:16am

re: #224 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Jesus did hard time? What was he in for?

Preaching tolerance and sympathy for the poor and disadvantaged.

428 Mattand  Dec 22, 2014 8:18:33am

Because the original post was bothering me so much. I dragged Maddow into it for the reason cited at #54.

429 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 8:27:44am

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

430 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 8:32:56am

All morning I’ve been seeing tweets and news articles that NY Post and Fox reported that Sony was going to release The Interview on Crackle for free, but:

431 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 8:33:15am

re:
#429

Because “family values” and “assault rifles” go so well together. /

432 Kryptik  Dec 22, 2014 8:33:20am

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

Surely, this couldn’t ever go wrong. And that target isn’t horrifically racist or anything at all.

But again, sadly, I’m expecting mandatory gun ownership in this country at the rate we’re going before we see any sort of reasonable regulation allowed.

433 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 8:36:16am

re: #432 Kryptik

Surely, this couldn’t ever go wrong. And that target isn’t horrifically racist or anything at all.

But again, sadly, I’m expecting mandatory gun ownership in this country at the rate we’re going before we see any sort of reasonable regulation allowed.

I just can’t even being to start understanding the mindset that reads about the 9-year-old shooting a gun range instructor with an Uzi she can’t control and thinks “What a great business opportunity!”

434 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 8:42:21am

hmmm…

435 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 8:43:54am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…

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A PDP-11 brought down Sony? NO FREAKING WAY.

436 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 8:44:19am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

How can anyone tell? That’s Jong Un sitting in front of the nation’s only computer Mini Moog. /

437 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 8:46:20am
438 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 8:48:21am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…

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I wonder what that big red button does?

439 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 8:49:03am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

Akamai isn’t noting anything out of the ordinary in North Korea. China and the US, India, and Europe, on the other hand…

440 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 8:51:39am

re: #436 lawhawk

How can anyone tell? That’s Jong Un sitting in front of the nation’s only computer Mini Moog. /

Looks like a Mellotron with a black case instead of a white one.

441 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 8:52:43am
442 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 8:54:58am

Cops managed to capture domestic terrorist and cop killer Eric Frein without shot fired. They captured a guy who threw pipe bombs at police in order to escape capture in Portland Oregon.

Both were white.

I’m really sensing a trend here. Would be nice if all law enforcement were required to maintain stats on all officer involved shootings, statistics about justification, race of those involved, etc.

It would really benefit everyone to know what law enforcement is doing, but it seems transparency is not on the minds of those who want to let the cops keep doing what they’ve been doing all along.

443 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 8:57:30am

re: #440 makeitstop

Looks like a Mellotron with a black case instead of a white one.

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It looks like my uncle’s old electric organ.

444 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 8:59:33am
445 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 9:05:53am

re: #438 b.d.

I wonder what that big red button does?

Hold my beer while I check that…

446 Mike Lamb  Dec 22, 2014 9:06:01am

re: #366 The Vicious Babushka

Look & laugh at Teh Stupid that just showed up in my time line:

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Don’t start a family, but fuck you if you want affordable contraception.

447 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 9:09:15am

re: #444 Ace-o-aces

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Nothing is ever quite as funny as somebody who will in one breath argue at length about how there can be no restrictions on religious speech, but in the next argue that government should go so far as to jail people for owning pornography.

448 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 22, 2014 9:11:14am

re: #447 Targetpractice

Nothing is ever quite as funny as somebody who will in one breath argue at length about how there can be no restrictions on religious speech, but in the next argue that government should go so far as to jail people for owning pornography.

It is perfectly logical to those whose religious beliefs forbid pornography, just like people who get upset at Creeping Sharia on one hand and the War on Christmas on the other hand

449 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 9:11:54am

Good morning all you wonderful caring people (my wife’s words, not mine).

450 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 9:13:49am

re: #405 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Did I miss the repeal of the 1st amendment?

The wingnuts never really cared much for that one. Only proper speech is free. Everything else costs.

452 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 9:17:16am

re: #440 makeitstop

Looks like a Mellotron with a black case instead of a white one.

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Strings, brass or voices?

453 Kryptik  Dec 22, 2014 9:18:00am

re: #450 Romantic Heretic

The only true free speech is the one that comes from the barrel of a gun. 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct, everything else is negotiable.

454 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 9:18:23am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

Word Salad With Rice==>

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To Mr. Riceman: Yet all you spout is first world right wing rhetorical cliche bullshit. I’m not seeing the difference here.

455 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 9:19:28am

re: #449 b_sharp

Good morning all you wonderful caring people (my wife’s words, not mine).

Is she feeling any better today?

456 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 9:19:49am

re: #452 ObserverArt

Strings, brass or voices?

I always loved the stock setup - strings-cellos-flutes.

That was one temperamental instrument, though. The only instrument that rivals the Mellotron’s combination of the musical and mechanical is the pedal steel guitar.

457 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 9:21:33am

re: #454 Romantic Heretic

To Mr. Riceman: Yet all you spout is first world right wing rhetorical cliche bullshit. I’m not seeing the difference here.

All he spews are Koch/Rand talking points, and not even very coherently

458 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 9:23:16am

re: #449 b_sharp

Good morning all you wonderful caring people (my wife’s words, not mine).

Hope she’s doing better!

459 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 9:23:27am

Fuckin’ A.

460 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 9:23:36am

re: #437 The Vicious Babushka

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There’s a line in the Q’uran that says much the same thing.

In the Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful, If you save the life of one person it shall be as if you saved the life of all mankind.

When I cherry pick I try to make it so that what I pick makes me act in a better manner to other people and the world.

461 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 9:25:07am

re: #448 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is perfectly logical to those whose religious beliefs forbid pornography, just like people who get upset at Creeping Sharia on one hand and the War on Christmas on the other hand

But the additional irony here is Fischer is a right-winger who sees creeping Communism with every government action that might help a poor person. But when an actual communist dictatorship goes after something he dislikes, that’s cool apparently.

462 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 9:25:43am

re: #455 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is she feeling any better today?

Worse actually. Her nausea is making it difficult to drink her protein shake so I’m giving her Gravol and jello.

I’m sure a lot of it is psychological at this point, she’s been on nothing but protein shake for more than 3 weeks now. However, the minute her temp rises above 38C she’s heading to the hospital. I don’t want her suffering sepsis again.

463 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 9:26:56am

re: #456 makeitstop

I always loved the stock setup - strings-cellos-flutes.

That was one temperamental instrument, though. The only instrument that rivals the Mellotron’s combination of the musical and mechanical is the pedal steel guitar.

I got to see two of the bands most known for using them. King Crimson on the Starless and Bible Black tour and Genesis when they first came to America on Selling England by the Pound tour.

Nothing as haunting as a Mellotron.

I imagine you needed one engineer just to keep it working on tour. Hammond Organs were bad enough on the road…the Mellotron was another thing all together.

464 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 9:27:10am

re: #462 b_sharp

{{hugs}}

465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 22, 2014 9:28:28am

re: #463 ObserverArt

I got to see two of the bands most known for using them. King Crimson on the Starless and Bible Black tour and Genesis when they first came to America on Selling England by the Pound tour.

Nothing as haunting as a Mellotron.

I imagine you needed one engineer just to keep it working on tour. Hammond Organs were bad enough on the road…the Mellotron was another thing all together.

Extra updings for two of my favorite albums when I was fifteen years old…

466 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 9:29:59am

re: #437 The Vicious Babushka

Sounds solipsistic to me - not that there’s anything wrong with that.

467 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 9:31:43am

re: #462 b_sharp

Worse actually. Her nausea is making it difficult to drink her protein shake so I’m giving her Gravol and jello.

I’m sure a lot of it is psychological at this point, she’s been on nothing but protein shake for more than 3 weeks now. However, the minute her temp rises above 38C she’s heading to the hospital. I don’t want her suffering sepsis again.

Sending strength and healing vibes your way.

468 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 9:32:22am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Extra updings for two of my favorite albums when I was fifteen years old…

And they were both very great and memorable shows. Fantastic musicianship in those bands.

469 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 9:34:20am

re: #463 ObserverArt

I got to see two of the bands most known for using them. King Crimson on the Starless and Bible Black tour and Genesis when they first came to America on Selling England by the Pound tour.

Nothing as haunting as a Mellotron.

I imagine you needed one engineer just to keep it working on tour. Hammond Organs were bad enough on the road…the Mellotron was another thing all together.

I became friends with another prog band of that era, a band called Gentle Giant. Like every other band of that genre, they carried a massive keyboard rig, played by a classically-trained musician named Kerry Minnear.

In addition to the Mellotron itself, they also carried two extra tape racks because they were notoriously fragile and needed constant adjustment and tweaking.

And besides the mechanical troubles, many people didn’t realize that you had to play it a certain way - the racks only held 8 seconds of tape for each note, so you had to release the key you were holding down and let gravity reset the tape for that note, or you’d run out of note! And there was always the chance that when the tape reset it could just snap.

Minnear always said ‘I love the sound of it, but I hate playing it.’

470 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 9:36:58am
471 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 9:37:10am

re: #463 ObserverArt

I got to see two of the bands most known for using them. King Crimson on the Starless and Bible Black tour and Genesis when they first came to America on Selling England by the Pound tour.

Nothing as haunting as a Mellotron.

I imagine you needed one engineer just to keep it working on tour. Hammond Organs were bad enough on the road…the Mellotron was another thing all together.

Saw the Moody Blues in San Antonio back in 1970 or so. They made great use of the Mellotron. One of the best shows ever. After playing for two hours they all sat down on the edge of the stage, talked with fans and signed autographs.

472 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 22, 2014 9:39:37am

re: #469 makeitstop

I became friends with another prog band of that era, a band called Gentle Giant. Like every other band of that genre, they carried a massive keyboard rig, played by a classically-trained musician named Kerry Minnear.

In addition to the Mellotron itself, they also carried two extra tape racks because they were notoriously fragile and needed constant adjustment and tweaking.

And besides the mechanical troubles, many people didn’t realize that you had to play it a certain way - the racks only held 8 seconds of tape for each note, so you had to release the key you were holding down and let gravity reset the tape for that note, or you’d run out of note! And there was always the chance that when the tape reset it could just snap.

Minnear always said ‘I love the sound of it, but I hate playing it.’

There’s an App for that… /// no, seriously. For IOS at least.
itunes.apple.com

Not apparently for android, alas.

473 BeachDem  Dec 22, 2014 9:42:02am

And, on the topic of the thread, from Charles P. Pierce:

…let’s commend my man Chuck Todd for being so broad-minded that his mind apparently has thinned out entirely and disappeared.

On Sunday, the caretaker of journalism’s Overlook Hotel invited John Nolte, of Breitbart’s Mausoleum For The Otherwise Unemployable, to join him and Lloyd The Bartender for some holiday cheer. (This is of a piece with the late St. Tim Russert’s having mainstreamed Matt Drudge during the Lewinsky circus.)

You may recall that, when he took the gig, my man Chuck Todd did an extended interview with the denizens of the mausoleum. He later explained this deep spelunk into the dark, dank caves of his profession by explaining that his extended slumming was meant to rebuild “trust” in the venerable franchise he’d been handed, “trust” in this case being defined as making sure incompetent slander merchants have a hearing, too.

esquire.com

474 Skip Intro  Dec 22, 2014 9:43:49am

re: #473 BeachDem

Being our semi-regular weekly survey of the state of Our National Dialogue which, as you know, is what Frederic Austin would have come up with, had he composed the melody for “The Twelve Derps Of Christmas.” (“Six Noonans guzzling…”)

475 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 9:44:32am

re: #469 makeitstop

I became friends with another prog band of that era, a band called Gentle Giant. Like every other band of that genre, they carried a massive keyboard rig, played by a classically-trained musician named Kerry Minnear.

In addition to the Mellotron itself, they also carried two extra tape racks because they were notoriously fragile and needed constant adjustment and tweaking.

And besides the mechanical troubles, many people didn’t realize that you had to play it a certain way - the racks only held 8 seconds of tape for each note, so you had to release the key you were holding down and let gravity reset the tape for that note, or you’d run out of note! And there was always the chance that when the tape reset it could just snap.

Minnear always said ‘I love the sound of it, but I hate playing it.’

I remember Gentle Giant. I think I still have a couple of their vinyl albums laying around. I’m thinking Free Hand and maybe The Power and The Glory. They were pretty good. I definitely went through a prog rock era.

476 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 9:44:49am
477 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 9:46:50am

re: #472 William Barnett-Lewis

There’s an App for that… /// no, seriously. For IOS at least.
itunes.apple.com

Not apparently for android, alas.

Hey, speaking of which - Native Instruments is offering a full version of their new delay-reverb plugin for free before releasing it for full retail! Anybody using a DAW would do well to grab it, NI makes some incredible stuff. Any insterested parties can grab it here.

478 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 9:51:06am

re: #475 ObserverArt

I remember Gentle Giant. I think I still have a couple of their vinyl albums laying around. I’m thinking Free Hand and maybe The Power and The Glory. They were pretty good. I definitely went through a prog rock era.

They were perhaps my favorite prog band - all five members also sang and played multiple instruments, and they incorporated everything from blues to madrigal singing into their stuff.

Fun fact: Their lead singer, a guy named Derek Shulman, became head of A&R at Polygram and signed Bon Jovi - which I find hilarious and still don’t hold against him.

And his brother Ray became a record producer, responsible for the first Sugarcubes album.

479 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 22, 2014 9:53:04am

re: #475 ObserverArt

I remember Gentle Giant. I think I still have a couple of their vinyl albums laying around. I’m thinking Free Hand and maybe The Power and The Glory. They were pretty good. I definitely went through a prog rock era.

We were big into any sort of British band that had not made it big in America…yet. Pink Floyd before Dark Side of the Moon, Peter Gabriel-era Genesis, Mott the Hoople, Roxy Music, T Rex, Slade, Hawkwind, Barclay James Harvest, Lindisfarne, etc…

well, some of them never really made it in the ‘States, or were one-hit wonders like T Rex & Mott the Hoople

480 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 10:00:00am

re: #479 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We were big into any sort of British band that had not made it big in America…yet. Pink Floyd before Dark Side of the Moon, Peter Gabriel-era Genesis, Mott the Hoople, T Rex, Slade, Hawkwind, Barclay James Harvest, Lindisfarne, etc…

well, some of them never really made it in the ‘States, or were one-hit wonders like T Rex & Mott the Hoople

The band I was in during the ’70s played a few Slade tracks, but Hawkwind was just for getting stoned and listening.

481 Jenner7  Dec 22, 2014 10:02:04am

re: #462 b_sharp

Will be thinking about Mrs Bsharp….

:)

482 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 22, 2014 10:02:33am

re: #480 b_sharp

The band I was in during the ’70s played a few Slade tracks, but Hawkwind was just for getting stoned and listening.

But it was the original home of Lemmy Kilminster who went on to form Mötörhead.

483 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 10:03:22am

re: #480 b_sharp

The band I was in during the ’70s played a few Slade tracks, but Hawkwind was just for getting stoned and listening.

Master of the Universe

Video

484 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 10:07:45am

Dang. Joe Cocker has passed away after a battle with cancer. He was 70.

RIP

485 Mattand  Dec 22, 2014 10:07:47am

re: #473 BeachDem

And, on the topic of the thread, from Charles P. Pierce:

…let’s commend my man Chuck Todd for being so broad-minded that his mind apparently has thinned out entirely and disappeared.

On Sunday, the caretaker of journalism’s Overlook Hotel invited John Nolte, of Breitbart’s Mausoleum For The Otherwise Unemployable, to join him and Lloyd The Bartender for some holiday cheer. (This is of a piece with the late St. Tim Russert’s having mainstreamed Matt Drudge during the Lewinsky circus.)

You may recall that, when he took the gig, my man Chuck Todd did an extended interview with the denizens of the mausoleum. He later explained this deep spelunk into the dark, dank caves of his profession by explaining that his extended slumming was meant to rebuild “trust” in the venerable franchise he’d been handed, “trust” in this case being defined as making sure incompetent slander merchants have a hearing, too.

esquire.com

Big LOL at that quote. Will read the full article in a bit.

486 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 10:11:04am

re: #484 lawhawk

Dang. Joe Cocker has passed away after a battle with cancer. He was 70.

RIP

That makes me very sad.

I sang ‘You are so Beautiful” to my wife years ago, even though I can’t sing. (She brings it up occasionally.)

487 Dr Lizardo  Dec 22, 2014 10:11:08am

re: #484 lawhawk

Dang. Joe Cocker has passed away after a battle with cancer. He was 70.

RIP

Wow. RIP, indeed.

488 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 10:11:28am

re: #484 lawhawk

Dang. Joe Cocker has passed away after a battle with cancer. He was 70.

RIP

From the Yorkshire Post

:(

489 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 10:12:32am

re: #482 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But it was the original home of Lemmy Kilminster who went on to form Mötörhead.

Did you ever see this BBC Documentary on Hawkwind? It is entertaining in so many ways. A real statement on the times, the drugs…the madness.

HAWKWIND BBC DOCUMENTARY

By the way…what happened to Charles’ hard work with the video previews???

490 Jenner7  Dec 22, 2014 10:12:47am

Then let’s change how they are trained and hold them accountable for their actions.

I know, pipe dreams…

491 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 10:14:46am

re: #476 Ace-o-aces

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“Do you like Gladiator movies?”

492 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 10:16:59am

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

“Do you like Gladiator movies?”

Ever been to a Turkish prison?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

I’m not wearing any pants. Film at eleven /

493 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 10:17:19am

re: #484 lawhawk

Dang. Joe Cocker has passed away after a battle with cancer. He was 70.

RIP

He was one soulful dude. ‘With a Little Help from My Friends’ was one of my favorite albums as a kid.

494 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 10:17:21am

re: #484 lawhawk

Dang. Joe Cocker has passed away after a battle with cancer. He was 70.

RIP

Another definer of an era…gone.

Damn. RIP Joe.

495 Mattand  Dec 22, 2014 10:18:40am

re: #492 lawhawk

Ever been to a Turkish prison?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

I’m not wearing any pants. Film at eleven /

And Leon is getting LARRRRRGER!!!!

496 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 22, 2014 10:19:07am

re: #489 ObserverArt

Oh, my. back in an hour.

497 Jenner7  Dec 22, 2014 10:19:14am

It really is pathetic that AA families have to go to the DOJ for justice for their loved ones. In 2014.

I shouldn’t have turned my computer on….

Going to clean my house. Have a good day all!

498 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 10:20:46am

re: #432 Kryptik

Surely, this couldn’t ever go wrong. And that target isn’t horrifically racist or anything at all.

But again, sadly, I’m expecting mandatory gun ownership in this country at the rate we’re going before we see any sort of reasonable regulation allowed.

Yeah. If they were being truthful about having to have these guns to stop mass murders or spree killers, statistically the target should be a middle aged, white guy.

499 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 10:21:05am
500 Dr. Matt  Dec 22, 2014 10:22:31am
501 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 10:23:58am

re: #453 Kryptik

The only true free speech is the one that comes from the barrel of a gun. 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct, everything else is negotiable.

Unless someone else is holding the gun, then it is terrorism.

502 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 10:24:06am

Don’t worry, CCJ has the names of all his mistresses….

503 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 10:27:01am

re: #502 Ace-o-aces

2 yrs before election msm decides dems cant figure out how to go after jeb, so dooooooom

Going after JEB with someone other than JEB in a pantsuit would be a start.

504 ObserverArt  Dec 22, 2014 10:27:52am

re: #500 Dr. Matt

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What ever happened to that ol’ “sticks and stones may break my bones…but words will never hurt me” rhyme?

Oh yeah…it was made for children. They can take it…but big burly cops get all offended and blame words.

And once again…fuck Joke Scarborough.

505 blueraven  Dec 22, 2014 10:28:29am

re: #484 lawhawk

Dang. Joe Cocker has passed away after a battle with cancer. He was 70.

RIP

His “With a Little Help from My Friends” was one of the first albums I purchased as a young teen with my own money.

My 25 y/o daughter has collected many of his albums and we still listen to them often when I go to her apartment.

Sad day, but we will celebrate his life and his music.

506 Dr. Matt  Dec 22, 2014 10:28:43am

re: #125 Charles Johnson

507 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 10:31:06am

re: #490 Jenner7

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Then let’s change how they are trained and hold them accountable for their actions.

I know, pipe dreams…

And just what is they’re being taught, John, that makes it so difficult to charge them? “Immediately contact your union rep”? “Don’t talk without a union lawyer present”? “Find an officer who wasn’t at the scene to file the report”?

508 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 10:33:32am

re: #503 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Going after JEB with someone other than JEB in a pantsuit would be a start.

I know your talking about Hillary, but you’ve given me a very disturbing mental image.

509 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 10:33:56am

re: #490 Jenner7

I’m not so sure that police officers are doing what they were trained to do. I do believe that they’re doing what they’ve learned to do. This is what you get when enough people want the perception of personal safety at any cost.

510 blueraven  Dec 22, 2014 10:38:52am
511 Dr. Matt  Dec 22, 2014 10:38:56am
512 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 10:40:12am
513 BeachDem  Dec 22, 2014 10:43:23am

re: #490 Jenner7

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Then let’s change how they are trained and hold them accountable for their actions.

I know, pipe dreams…

Seems like there’s a bit of a chasm between the police chief and the district attorney:

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn announced the firing of Manney on Oct. 15. He said Manney had acted without malice but that he had failed to follow police policies when addressing mentally ill people.

“It’s very, very hard to charge a police officer with homicide if he does exactly what he is trained to do,” Chisholm (the DA) said.

rawstory.com

And of course:

The Milwaukee Police Association condemned Manney’s firing as a political move, and members voted no confidence in Flynn soon after the firing.

Manney has appealed his firing and applied for disability, saying the shootings in Milwaukee and Ferguson have cost him sleep and made it difficult for him to think clearly. He also has said he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder.

al.com

514 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 10:43:36am

re: #510 blueraven

[Embedded content]

Loved that when I saw it on SNL and it will never get old.

515 prairiefire  Dec 22, 2014 10:45:26am

re: #510 blueraven

Thanks for that!

516 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 10:45:44am

re: #510 blueraven

Preview: Joe Cocker and John Belushi - Feelin’ Alright

517 Dr. Matt  Dec 22, 2014 10:47:37am

re: #512 Ace-o-aces

518 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 22, 2014 11:14:42am

re: #437 The Vicious Babushka

That’s a bit of creative reinterpretation on Weissman’s part. The Mishna in bSanh. 37a applies only to Jewish lives:

FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD.

Granted, there is a more universalistic formula in Yerushalmi, but he quotes from Bavli…


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