North Korea’s Internet Access Is “Toast”

Denial of service
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Even if the US had something to do with this, the government would probably never admit it, but I think it’s doubtful. North Korea’s network is very small by world standards, and it wouldn’t require a nation state to take it offline with a simple brute force DDoS attack; it seems more like something Anonymous would do: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses.

Doug Madory, the director of Internet analysis at Dyn Research, an Internet performance management company, said that North Korean Internet access first became unstable late Friday. The situation worsened over the weekend, and by Monday, North Korea’s Internet was completely offline.

“Their networks are under duress,” Mr. Madory said. “This is consistent with a DDoS attack on their routers,” he said, referring to a distributed denial of service attack, in which attackers flood a network with traffic until it collapses under the load.

North Korea does very little commercial or government business over the Internet. The country officially has 1,024 Internet protocol addresses, though the actual number may be somewhat higher. By comparison, the United States has billions of addresses.

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CloudFlare, an Internet company based in San Francisco, confirmed Monday that North Korea’s Internet access was “toast.” A large number of connections had been withdrawn, “showing that the North Korean network has gone away,” Matthew Prince, CloudFlare’s founder, wrote in an email.

Although the failure might have been caused by maintenance problems, Mr. Madory and others said that such problems most likely would not have caused such a prolonged, widespread loss.

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229 comments

1 Iwouldprefernotto  Dec 22, 2014 12:53:38pm

Yes!

2 William of Orange  Dec 22, 2014 12:56:13pm

Fighting fire with fire…. Is Sony thàt powerful?

3 nines09  Dec 22, 2014 12:56:15pm

I guess talking smack has it’s consequences.

4 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 12:56:46pm

The US Govt. should offer to help North Korea find out what happened.

5 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 12:57:06pm

re: #2 William of Orange

Fighting fire with fire…. Is Sony thàt powerful?

It’s probably Anonymous.

6 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 12:58:18pm

Seen a few articles claiming that North Korea has trouble keeping its feeble connection going under normal circumstances, so it’s not particularly surprising that it’s down, or that someone decided to “take” it down.

The list of those who might have taken it down are long, and while the US is sure to be on the short list, it could be the Chinese as well - as a way to let the North know not to mess with China’s business interests as well.

7 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 12:58:57pm

Have they tried unplugging their phone line and plugging it in again?

8 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 12:59:17pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Seen a few articles claiming that North Korea has trouble keeping its feeble connection going under normal circumstances, so it’s not particularly surprising that it’s down, or that someone decided to “take” it down.

The list of those who might have taken it down are long, and while the US is sure to be on the short list, it could be the Chinese as well - as a way to let the North know not to mess with China’s business interests as well.

China just has to fart and NK would go down.

9 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 12:59:19pm

Sometimes it helps to count to thirty before restarting the router.

10 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 1:00:49pm

re: #7 darthstar

Have they tried unplugging their phone line and plugging it in again?

Maybe turn the monitor off and back on?

//
Actually had someone do this when I requested they turn the machine off and back on.
“It came on at the same place I left it!”

11 Charles Johnson  Dec 22, 2014 1:01:01pm

Any clown with access to a botnet would be able to do this. If the US decided to launch some kind of retaliatory cyber attack, it wouldn’t be a run of the mill DDoS.

12 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 1:02:06pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Any clown with access to a botnet would be able to do this. If the US decided to launch some kind of retaliatory cyber attack, it wouldn’t be a run of the mill DDoS.

No, we’d just shoot down their fucking satellites…oh, wait…they don’t have any.

13 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 22, 2014 1:04:54pm

Meh, they should call Kyle.

Kyle Fixes the Internet

14 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 1:06:05pm

re:
#7

Have they tried unplugging their phone line and plugging it in again?

If that doesn’t work they should call AOL.

15 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 1:08:50pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

That’s what they want you to think. /

Seriously though, DDoS is fairly easy to accomplish. If the USG is going to engage in cyberwarfare, they aren’t going to do brute force like a DDoS, but rather something a lot more sophisticated along the line of Stuxnet or similar types of malware - to go after systems that can be critical to North Korea’s nuclear program or key industries in or to sabotage and delay their programs.

They have bigger fish to fry than a simple DDoS; though it is possible though that the DDoS might allow the USG to target North Korean systems in a way that they wouldn’t have been able to otherwise.

16 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 1:18:30pm

Hey, looks like CCJ finally found someone who is a bigger asshole than he is.

Oh, Debbie. Blocked by Chuckles for being too unhinged. You’ve really hit bottom now, haven’t you.

17 bratwurst  Dec 22, 2014 1:22:16pm

Got to admit, I was pleasantly surprised what a nuanced and downright thoughtful take Rush Limbaugh had on the NY policing shootings today.
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Just kidding. He totally parroted the wingnut line established over the weekend and put blood on the hands of de Blasio, Obama and the media.

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 1:23:36pm

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Hey, looks like CCJ finally found someone who is a bigger asshole than he is.

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Oh, Debbie. Blocked by Chuckles for being too unhinged. You’ve really hit bottom now, haven’t you.

I saw a tweet of his a couple of days ago where he said he had people who were helping him block.
He haz people!!11!!

19 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 1:24:24pm

Oops.

20 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 1:24:28pm

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Hey, looks like CCJ finally found someone who is a bigger asshole than he is.

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Oh, Debbie. Blocked by Chuckles for being too unhinged. You’ve really hit bottom now, haven’t you.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 1:25:18pm

oooh…deBlasio just called out the media for enabling the few bad apple protestors by making them out to be the majority of protestors.

22 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 1:26:11pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw a tweet of his a couple of days ago where he said he had people who were helping him block.
He haz people!!11!!

FBI people.

23 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:27:38pm

You don’t take down Internet—it takes down you.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the NK govt itself burned it up. : )

24 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 1:27:47pm

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

It’s the #IdiotOlympics and he’s going for the gold. It’s tough competition, but he will prevail. It’s that 150+ IQ after all.

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 1:28:27pm

This press conference is getting good!
Police Commissioner just challenged the reporters to name one NYC mayor in the last 50 years that has NOT been battling with the police unions.

26 gwangung  Dec 22, 2014 1:29:25pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Any clown with access to a botnet would be able to do this. If the US decided to launch some kind of retaliatory cyber attack, it wouldn’t be a run of the mill DDoS.

Well, if we wanted them to KNOW the US did it…

27 Mike Lamb  Dec 22, 2014 1:29:33pm

re: #4 b.d.

The US Govt. should offer to help North Korea find out what happened.

CCJ will offer much monies for proof of who hacked N. Korea…

28 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 22, 2014 1:31:15pm

There is a lengthy list of “suspects.” It’s just a matter of which one managed to get to it first.
Mess with the bull, get the horns.

29 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 22, 2014 1:32:05pm

It’s 150 IQ in rubles.

30 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:32:18pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

oooh…deBlasio just called out the media for enabling the few bad apple protestors by making them out to be the majority of protestors.

SWP and anarchist types, no doubt. They love agit-prop, like those “Kill the cops” signs.

They’re the ones who won’t heed de Blasio’s call for a moratorium on protest until after the funeral for those officers.

news.yahoo.com

NEW YORK (AP) — New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio called Monday for a temporary halt to protests over police conduct as he faced a widening rift with a force preparing Christmastime burials for two of its own and decrying the demonstrations as a factor in the officers’ cold-blooded executions.

“I think it’s important that, regardless of people’s viewpoints, that everyone step back,” de Blasio said in a speech Monday at the Police Athletic League. “I think it’s a time for everyone to put aside political debates, put aside protests, put aside all of the things that we will talk about in all due time.” More

31 lawhawk  Dec 22, 2014 1:32:34pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mayors who battled with the police over contracts:

DeBlasio
Bloomberg
Giuliani
Dinkins
Koch
Beame
Lindsay
Wagner
O’Dwyer
LaGuardia

That pretty much brings it all the way back to the 1930s. Think I might have missed a mayor in there from around LaGuardia’s time though.

32 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 1:32:48pm

re: #27 Mike Lamb

CCJ will offer much monies for proof of who hacked N. Korea…

I have $8 cash for proof outing the N. Korean hackers

33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 1:34:59pm

er:
#20

Just had to block plagiarist thief
@ChuckCJohnson
. Everything this guy “writes” stolen from others. He even plagiarized my tweet!

Guess Debs doesn’t appreciate awardwinning journalism. /

34 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 22, 2014 1:36:16pm

re:
#27

CCJ will offer much monies for proof of who hacked N. Korea…

Actually Chuckles will accept much money if you will tell him who hacked NK.

35 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:36:25pm

re: #33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

er:
#20

Guess Debs doesn’t appreciate awardwinning journalism. /

She protects her ignorance as though it were diamonds.

36 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 1:38:06pm

re: #34 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#27

Actually Chuckles will accept much money if you will tell him who hacked NK.

Chuck is tired of being sent on the non-paying snipe hunts.

37 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:39:07pm

Yes.

US envoy to UN Samantha Power dismisses as absurd North Korea’s demand for joint investigation of Sony hack; urges Security Council to consider referring nation to International Criminal Court - @Reuters
end of alert

38 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:40:17pm

re: #36 b.d.

Chuck is tired of being sent on the non-paying snipe hunts.

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What “team”?

Upchuck is just another run of the mill grifter.

39 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 22, 2014 1:40:41pm

Debbie Schlussel is psychotic, but one gotta admire how willing she is to go after her fellow cons. And 1 time out of 1000 she even has a point.

40 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 22, 2014 1:42:21pm

If he does have a team he sure as hell doesn’t give them credit for anything.

41 Timothy Watson  Dec 22, 2014 1:43:31pm
North Korea does very little commercial or government business over the Internet. The country officially has 1,024 Internet protocol addresses, though the actual number may be somewhat higher. By comparison, the United States has billions of addresses.

So much “not even wrong” there I don’t know where to start.

42 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:47:13pm

But they won’t suspend Upchuck?

Anonymous Account Suspended From Twitter After Threatening Iggy Azalea

huffingtonpost.com

“The “hacktavist” group Anonymous has been suspended from Twitter after threatening to release “various snapshots” from Iggy Azalea’s alleged sex tape. The group had demanded Azalea apologize for her recent comments to fellow rapper Azealia Banks.

“On Saturday, @TheAnonMessage threatened Azalea in a series of tweets, giving her 48 hours to apologize to Banks and to people protesting police brutality. The group claimed the 24-year-old rapper was “guilty of misappropriating black culture, insulting peaceful protesters, and making light of Eric Garner’s death.”

More

(And I don’t know who those 2 people are, even.)

43 The War TARDIS  Dec 22, 2014 1:47:41pm

re: #41 Timothy Watson

Hell, you wouldn’t even need anonymous for this. That’s a tiny network.

44 The War TARDIS  Dec 22, 2014 1:50:07pm

re: #42 Justanotherhuman

Iggy Azalea. My generation’s answer to Vanilla Ice. And she is a terrible person to boot.

45 nines09  Dec 22, 2014 1:50:10pm

re: #36 b.d.

CCJ doing “research”. Good one. Real knee slapper. CCJ met the internet and lost his bestest buddy, Barney Braincell.

46 Charles Johnson  Dec 22, 2014 1:52:23pm
47 Charles Johnson  Dec 22, 2014 1:53:00pm
48 thedopefishlives  Dec 22, 2014 1:54:21pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 1:56:21pm

re: #42 Justanotherhuman

But they won’t suspend Upchuck?

Anonymous Account Suspended From Twitter After Threatening Iggy Azalea

huffingtonpost.com

“The “hacktavist” group Anonymous has been suspended from Twitter after threatening to release “various snapshots” from Iggy Azalea’s alleged sex tape. The group had demanded Azalea apologize for her recent comments to fellow rapper Azealia Banks.

“On Saturday, @TheAnonMessage threatened Azalea in a series of tweets, giving her 48 hours to apologize to Banks and to people protesting police brutality. The group claimed the 24-year-old rapper was “guilty of misappropriating black culture, insulting peaceful protesters, and making light of Eric Garner’s death.”

More

(And I don’t know who those 2 people are, even.)

FWIW, @TheAnonMessage isn’t the same entity as “The “hacktavist” group Anonymous”.

50 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 1:57:08pm

re: #24 lawhawk

It’s the #IdiotOlympics and he’s going for the gold. It’s tough competition, but he will prevail. It’s that 150+ IQ after all.

It reminds me of when one of my psych attendings taught us that schizophrenics can often perceive that other schizophrenics are mentally ill, while still remaining unaware of their own illness.

51 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:58:02pm

It really is open season for the gun nuts, although this seems to be mainly a technicality in jury instructions. Otherwise, if his plea of “self-defense” prevails, it’s going to give more credence to taking the law into your own hands. Doesn’t a visit by the police usually silence loud parties?

Court Grants New Trial To Man Who Said ‘I Am Standing My Ground’ As He Shot Neighbor Over Loud Music

thinkprogress.org

52 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 1:58:55pm

re: #48 thedopefishlives

He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Oh, like he could afford that.

53 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 1:59:33pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

FWIW, @TheAnonMessage isn’t the same entity as “The “hacktavist” group Anonymous”.

Well, it was a Huffpo story…

55 Ace-o-aces  Dec 22, 2014 1:59:57pm
56 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 2:02:07pm

I was doing my winter solstice partying yesterday evening. Wishing everyone a happy solstice. When asked what I was talking about, I told them that it was the true reason for the season many, many years before this Jesus supposedly emerged. I got a lot of blank looks.

57 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 22, 2014 2:03:37pm

Kim didn’t power cycle his router.

58 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 2:05:10pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Any clown with access to a botnet would be able to do this. If the US decided to launch some kind of retaliatory cyber attack, it wouldn’t be a run of the mill DDoS.

My first thought is some pissed off guys from Sony security / IT.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 2:06:30pm
60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 2:07:49pm
61 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 2:08:25pm
62 Iwouldprefernotto  Dec 22, 2014 2:08:54pm

I don’t get what’s the big deal with blocking the Internet in North Korea. If they created a virus that played “The Interview” on every screen in the country, that would be impressive.

63 Dr Lizardo  Dec 22, 2014 2:09:41pm

re: #62 Iwouldprefernotto

I don’t get what’s the big deal with blocking the Internet in North Korea. If they created a virus that played “The Interview” on every screen in the country, that would be impressive.

LOLOL, that would be epic.

64 Charles Johnson  Dec 22, 2014 2:11:29pm

The Internet is pretty much only for the North Korean government and the upper class elites - the masses don’t have web access.

65 unproven innocence  Dec 22, 2014 2:12:17pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

Man-in-the-middle-attack-resistant :)

66 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 2:12:34pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

The Internet is pretty much only for the North Korean government and the upper class elites - the masses don’t have web access.

They don’t even have electricity.

67 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 2:12:45pm

Probably don’t even have toilets.

68 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 2:13:20pm

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

They don’t even have electricity.

Or enough food.

69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 22, 2014 2:13:28pm

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

They don’t even have electricity.

google.com

70 Iwouldprefernotto  Dec 22, 2014 2:14:43pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

Or enough food.

If your not eating you don’t need a toilet.

71 Mattand  Dec 22, 2014 2:15:53pm

From the React to Criticism Like an Immature Toddler Department:

Hannity Flies Into All-Caps Rage After Being Named ‘Worst Of Fox News’

I feel a trolling coming on…

72 Mattand  Dec 22, 2014 2:18:26pm

re: #71 Mattand

Note the constant use of hiding behind two dead cops as a way to avoid talking about the actual subject. What a piece of shit.

73 HappyWarrior  Dec 22, 2014 2:20:59pm

re: #71 Mattand

From the React to Criticism Like an Immature Toddler Department:

Hannity Flies Into All-Caps Rage After Being Named ‘Worst Of Fox News’

I feel a trolling coming on…

Well Sean you earned it.

74 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 2:22:05pm

Here’s How Lousy Life Is in North Korea
It might have nukes, but North Korea can barely keep the lights on.

usnews.com

75 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 2:23:39pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

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LOL, Hannity is such a tool.

76 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 22, 2014 2:27:10pm

HULK SMASH. MONGO CRUSH.

77 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 2:27:53pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

Or enough food.

North Korea-Deliberate isolation, desperation and desolation

One of the saddest parts about the hermit kingdom is how generation after generation of North Koreans have just been written off by their own government and the rest of the globe. Sure we all want to avoid a war. But seriously that regime needs to go. As a consequence of patience we have this dangerous little child developing and testing the most dangerous weapons ever devised, starving and abusing the humanity within the borders, and abusing his neighbors at essentially every opportunity.

Like I said before if this guy was in the middle east we would have invaded twice already.

78 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 2:29:17pm

re: #76 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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HULK SMASH. MONGO CRUSH.

BUT I WAS JOKING AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU COULD READ THE JOKE!!!

79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 22, 2014 2:30:24pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Like I said before if this guy was in the middle east we would have invaded twice already.

You mean, if he had natural resources and did not have China at his back?

80 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 2:30:39pm

OK, graph lovers:

81 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 2:30:47pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There should be a third cup attached to that so the government can listen to what the people are saying.

82 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 22, 2014 2:30:50pm

Epic displays of ignorance at freeperland.

This one sets the tone:

Only a government can really accomplish this. Probably some dark sorcery group in the NSA, I’d guess.
If North Korea managed to inflict this on the United States, we’d consider it an act of war.

I’d have to wonder if this won’t escalate further…

Others fear that Obama has recklessly provoked the Norks and Chinese to shut down our net in retaliation, or even that Obama is trying to provoke war with China.

83 Jack Burton  Dec 22, 2014 2:31:20pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

The Internet is pretty much only for the North Korean government and the upper class elites - the masses don’t have web access.

Don’t they have internal to the country sites like Facelittleredbook, Goggle, Maospace? On surplus 386s and commodore 64s they got from China?

84 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 2:31:47pm

Keep this story handy next time a wingnut tells you that you should obey a cop without question.

85 HappyWarrior  Dec 22, 2014 2:32:38pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

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Keep this story handy next time a wingnut tells you that you should obey a cop without question.

Not the first time something like this has happened either.

86 Dr Lizardo  Dec 22, 2014 2:32:56pm

re: #83 Jack Burton

Don’t they have internal to the country sites like Facelittleredbook, Goggle, Maospace? On surplus 386s and commodore 64s they got from China?

I do believe North Korean has an intranet system. The internet is only for the ‘politically reliable’.

87 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 2:34:06pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

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Looks like Hannity, like most low level pushers, uses his own drugs.

88 Romantic Heretic  Dec 22, 2014 2:37:41pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Image: North Korea-Deliberate isolation, desperation and desolationOne of the saddest parts about the hermit kingdom is how generation after generation of North Koreans have just been written off by their own government and the rest of the globe. Sure we all want to avoid a war. But seriously that regime needs to go. As a consequence of patience we have this dangerous little child developing and testing the most dangerous weapons ever devised, starving and abusing the humanity within the borders, and abusing his neighbors at essentially every opportunity.

Like I said before if this guy was in the middle east we would have invaded twice already.

Have you seen the terrain in Korea? It’s like Afghanistan, squared, and the Nork Army is not a bunch of barely armed hillbillies.

If we invade the cost in lives and money will make Iraq look like an impulse buy at the corner convenience store.

89 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 2:44:27pm

I may need one of these in the next 10 yrs. : )

Google unveils second self-driving car prototype

cnbc.com

But probably won’t be able to afford one. : (

90 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 2:47:39pm

Nasty conduct everywhere.

Police investigate offensive Twitter message following Glasgow collision

itv.com

Just “offensive” or threatening?

91 bratwurst  Dec 22, 2014 2:48:02pm
92 Jack Burton  Dec 22, 2014 2:50:47pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Image: North Korea-Deliberate isolation, desperation and desolationOne of the saddest parts about the hermit kingdom is how generation after generation of North Koreans have just been written off by their own government and the rest of the globe. Sure we all want to avoid a war. But seriously that regime needs to go. As a consequence of patience we have this dangerous little child developing and testing the most dangerous weapons ever devised, starving and abusing the humanity within the borders, and abusing his neighbors at essentially every opportunity.

Like I said before if this guy was in the middle east we would have invaded twice already.

This seems to be the case:

And the reason we let them get away with it is because they killed their own people, and we’re sort of fine with that. “Ah, help yourself,” you know? “We’ve been trying to kill you for ages!” So kill your own people, right on there. Seems to be… Hitler killed people next door… “Oh… stupid man!” After a couple of years, we won’t stand for that, will we?

93 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 2:50:50pm

re: #88 Romantic Heretic

First I did not call for an invasion. I pointed out the consequences in lives of the status quo, and next made a rather obvious point-It would be best if that regime was not in charge. Which is exactly what will happen pretty damn fast should they make any of the existential mistakes they have been threatening to make.

I’m not the bellicose voice in this one by any stretch. That nation is a house of cards propped up by the Chinese. We don’t have to occupy it or even bomb much if at all to upend it. Just pull out the right card.

94 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 2:54:53pm
95 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 2:56:30pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

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Awww, the poor baby.

96 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 2:56:47pm
97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 2:58:03pm

I need urgent orchid advice. MrBWS bought me an orchid (Phalaenopsis) about a month ago and I haven’t killed it yet (like I did the last three he got me), but all of the six not-yet-flowered buds fell off the second week.
I’ve followed all the (albeit minimal) instructions that came with the plant and googled for more advice, but I’m at a loss what to do now.
He was so impressed that I haven’t killed the cyclamen he got me in the Spring, he thought he could chance another orchid.
Foliage still looks very good. Not sure what the deal is with the weird roots (especially the ones that are poking up from the top and tips are drying out).
I have it on top of a cabinet, well out of direct sunlight and (most importantly where the cats can’t get at it).

HELP!!!

98 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 2:58:20pm

Dear Wingnuts and Moonbats,
STFU about NK and the hacking story. You’re sounding too much alike with your tin hattery.

Thanks,
Me

99 Dr Lizardo  Dec 22, 2014 2:59:23pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

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That wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. I believe Malcom X raised that point many years ago. I recall reading something to the effect in The Autobiography Of Malcom X. I believe he was referring to the old “one-drop rule”.

100 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 2:59:38pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

I need urgent orchid advice. MrBWS bought me an orchid (Phalaenopsis) about a month ago and I haven’t killed it yet (like I did the last three he got me), but all of the six not-yet-flowered buds fell off the second week.
I’ve followed all the (albeit minimal) instructions that came with the plant and googled for more advice, but I’m at a loss what to do now.
He was so impressed that I haven’t killed the cyclamen he got me in the Spring, he thought he could chance another orchid.
Foliage still looks very good. Not sure what the deal is with the weird roots (especially the ones that are poking up from the top and tips are drying out).
I have it on top of a cabinet, well out of direct sunlight and (most importantly where the cats can’t get at it).

HELP!!!

How do i get you Dragon_Lady cell# for a text session? Expert orchid grower. The buds may have failed because of the warm room, it happens…

Try this link

101 bratwurst  Dec 22, 2014 3:04:12pm

Slimy Baltimore FOX Affiliate Caught Faking “Kill a Cop” Protest Chant

This is what we are up against, reasonable folks. I am afraid it only gets WORSE from here and not better.

102 HappyWarrior  Dec 22, 2014 3:05:12pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Slimy Baltimore FOX Affiliate Caught Faking “Kill a Cop” Protest Chant

This is what we are up against, reasonable folks. I am afraid it only gets WORSE from here and not better.

I wish I could say I’m surprised here.

103 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 3:05:44pm

GOP spends years at odds with CBO because it tells them that tax cuts don’t work. Simple solution: Stack the CBO deck in their favor.

104 Jack Burton  Dec 22, 2014 3:06:54pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

Dear Wingnuts and Moonbats,
STFU about NK and the hacking story. You’re sounding too much alike with your tin hattery.

Thanks,
Me

I’d prefer they just STFU about everything until they find a few adults to do the talking.

105 HappyWarrior  Dec 22, 2014 3:07:20pm

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

That wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. I believe Malcom X raised that point many years ago. I recall reading something to the effect in The Autobiography Of Malcom X. I believe he was referring to the old “one-drop rule”.

Doesn’t surprise me really either honestly. There’s probably a lot of Southern whites especially those with roots in the country going back to the revolutionary era and beyond that would be shocked if they saw the results of a hypothetical DNA test. Families like my own that have fewer generations in the country it’s a little more easier since you sometimes have relatives that had a parent that was an immigrant. Anyone ever look at a census record? A lot of people who don’t know their full ancestry often report “American.” That’s most common in the South.

106 HappyWarrior  Dec 22, 2014 3:08:03pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

GOP spends years at odds with CBO because it tells them that tax cuts don’t work. Simple solution: Stack the CBO deck in their favor.

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Oh how surprising.//

107 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 22, 2014 3:09:00pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

Dear Wingnuts and Moonbats,
STFU about NK and the hacking story. You’re sounding too much alike with your tin hattery.

Thanks,
Me

I was about to say…..In the event of a new war, Kim Jong Un can count on an ally that his grandfather could literally not have imagined in the original Korean War: Massive political and propaganda support from the American right. Certain freepers sound exactly like the pitiful remnants of the moonbat left when they accuse Obama of engineering the Sony hack to provide a casus belli against North Korea.

108 HappyWarrior  Dec 22, 2014 3:09:40pm

These DNA tests though show why racism is such a stupid thing. We’re all mixed. We’re all part of the same human race. Race is a man made invented construct designed for one group to feel better and more powerful than the other.

109 Mattand  Dec 22, 2014 3:10:24pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Slimy Baltimore FOX Affiliate Caught Faking “Kill a Cop” Protest Chant

This is what we are up against, reasonable folks. I am afraid it only gets WORSE from here and not better.

Saw that earlier. I’ve seen the Philly Fox affiliate have their reporters editorialize while reporting a story (“Yeah, sure, that guy says he was minding his own business before the cops hit him” kind of crap). Never seen them out-and-out fabricate something like that.

Then again, they’ve never been caught doing it like the Baltimore affiliate. If that’s what the locals are doing, just imagine the horseshit the home office in NYC is pulling.

The Baltimore affiliate’s response to getting caught violating journalistic standards is pure Fox, too, Instead of admitting they got caught red-handed, they offered to have some of the protesters shown in the video come to their studio and talk about the NYC cops who got killed.

God help us if the Grand Ol Tea Party wins the Presidency in 2016. You think Fox is out of control now? You ain’t seen nothing yet.

110 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 3:11:39pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

GOP spends years at odds with CBO because it tells them that tax cuts don’t work. Simple solution: Stack the CBO deck in their favor.

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Anyone under forty can kiss their Social Security goodbye. The GOP has figured out that you don’t vote.

111 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 3:15:34pm

Sanity.

112 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 3:17:29pm

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

Now I have another reason to be glad I live in California. It’s also 70° here today under clear skies.

113 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 3:18:33pm

UN diplomat says decision on how North Korea will respond to Monday’s security council meeting will be made in Pyongyang - @Reuters
end of alert

More: North Korean UN diplomat says country ‘totally’ rejects’ US desire to put North Korea’s human rights record on UN council agenda - @SkyNewsBreak
end of alert

114 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 3:18:41pm

re: #112 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now I have another reason to be glad I live in California. It’s also 70° here today under clear skies.

It’s cold an raining here.
/Jerk.

115 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 3:20:47pm

2 Weeks Vacation from day job begins NOW.

116 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 3:24:50pm

re: #115 #FergusonFireside

2 Weeks Vacation from day job begins NOW.

Heh. Enjoy.

Kids are out of school here as of last Fri—return on 1/5. Parents’ heads are exploding at having to pay full time daycare bills, no doubt. I can remember all that with mine.

117 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 3:25:07pm
The sun. Pattern partially determined by earth’s ovular orbit.
118 Bear  Dec 22, 2014 3:28:01pm

re: #117 darthstar

Looks like the symbol that some of the globes had on them.

119 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 3:31:13pm
120 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 3:31:51pm

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel

Epic displays of ignorance at freeperland.

This one sets the tone:

Others fear that Obama has recklessly provoked the Norks and Chinese to shut down our net in retaliation, or even that Obama is trying to provoke war with China.

Upchuck is adored over at Red State: “So apparently I missed the @RedState interview with Charles Johnson. Kudos to them for doing that.”

And the President is hated: “When the American President Hates America” (with link to their fairytale).

121 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 22, 2014 3:33:52pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

GOP spends years at odds with CBO because it tells them that tax cuts don’t work. Simple solution: Stack the CBO deck in their favor.

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Typical of the current GOP approach to empirical observation - when reality doesn’t comport with your beliefs, deny reality.

122 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 22, 2014 3:36:35pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Slimy Baltimore FOX Affiliate Caught Faking “Kill a Cop” Protest Chant

This is what we are up against, reasonable folks. I am afraid it only gets WORSE from here and not better.

Wow! That is serious Reichstag Fire stuff.
(Hate to go Godwin yet again but the RWNJ hate machine is not leaving a lot of choice these days.)

123 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 22, 2014 3:38:01pm

re: #117 darthstar

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Analemma. My Twitter avatar is another version.

124 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 22, 2014 3:40:09pm

re: #119 darthstar

Run a CAT5 cable over the border into China and plug into the nearest Internet bar’s router.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 3:40:52pm

re: #100 Rightwingconspirator

How do i get you Dragon_Lady cell# for a text session? Expert orchid grower. The buds may have failed because of the warm room, it happens…

Try this link

I don’t have cell phone coverage for texting here, I’ll DM you my email addy

126 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 3:42:59pm

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Analemma. My Twitter avatar is another version.

Analemma? Wasn’t she one of the kids on “Little House on the Prairie”?

127 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 3:45:20pm

And GG has been mysteriously silent since 12/19.

Must be schmoozing with Sony about the filming of his book, “No Place to Hide”. Are they really in a position to do this dud now?

Does anyone really give a crap about another movie on Snowden after Poitras’ huge fail?

128 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 3:48:05pm

Rulings…

US Judge denies injunction that was seeking to halt executions in Oklahoma, attorneys say - @Reuters
end of alert

3m
Judge orders Fairfax County, Va., police to release information in connection to police shooting death of unarmed man - @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com

9m
Federal judge strikes down Labor Department regulations that extended minimum wage and overtime pay to home health care workers - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

Well, the first and last ones suck.

129 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 3:51:43pm

re: #100 Rightwingconspirator

How do i get you Dragon_Lady cell# for a text session? Expert orchid grower. The buds may have failed because of the warm room, it happens…

Try this link

My friend you just blasted that phone# over twitter.

130 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 3:52:51pm

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

This is the second time, iirc, Fairfax has been ordered to do so.

131 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 3:54:26pm

re: #129 b_sharp

Yeah damn cell phone erased but too late.

132 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 3:55:35pm

re: #131 Rightwingconspirator

Yeah damn cell phone erased but too late.

Now I can text DL.

133 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 3:56:18pm

Hi DL!

134 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 22, 2014 3:58:55pm

re: #117 darthstar

Hmmm… The origin of the “infinity” sign?

135 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 3:59:27pm

What first struck me after the beauty of these photos was that there didn’t seem to be any body issues back then as we have them today. Nutrition, no doubt, even among the poor, was probably better than today’s mfg’d crap and fast foods and increasingly sedentary lifestyles.

Glamour and grace: The vintage lens on black women of D.C.’s Scurlock Studio

washingtonpost.com

136 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 4:00:26pm

*red face*

137 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 4:01:19pm

re: #136 Rightwingconspirator

*red face*

Now you’ll fit in with your fire photos.

138 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 4:02:41pm

re: #137 b_sharp

Who needs fire? I’m already cooked.

139 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 4:06:50pm

But of course he doesn’t agree. He’s probably salivating for late Jan.

Senate Republican leader McConnell says he disagrees with Obama on normalizing Cuba relations, supports steps that aim to rein in policy - @Reuters
end of alert

Give ‘em hell, Obama.

140 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 4:07:25pm

re: #138 Rightwingconspirator

Who needs fire? I’m already cooked.

Don’t you mean ‘baked’?
/I’ll be here all night!

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 4:14:38pm

re: #100 Rightwingconspirator

How do i get you Dragon_Lady cell# for a text session? Expert orchid grower. The buds may have failed because of the warm room, it happens…

Try this link

We had a great talk, thanks!

142 Charles Johnson  Dec 22, 2014 4:16:54pm
143 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 4:19:40pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Funny, he didn’t prove anything with regards to, well, anything!
/Shocka!

144 Skip Intro  Dec 22, 2014 4:20:59pm

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

Senate Republican leader McConnell says he disagrees with Obama on normalizing Cuba relations, supports steps that aim to rein in policy - @Reuters
end of alert

Of course not. They don’t have any coal.

145 Skip Intro  Dec 22, 2014 4:22:58pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Maybe if UpChuck ever provided actual evidence backing up the things he “knows” it would be different. So why doesn’t he tell us who really hacked Sony?

146 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 4:26:51pm

re: #145 Skip Intro

Maybe if UpChuck ever provided actual evidence backing up the things he “knows” it would be different. So why doesn’t he tell us who really hacked Sony?

I’d ask but, he blocked me.
/oh noes

147 William of Orange  Dec 22, 2014 4:27:18pm

Thankfully the internet is also used in better ways than North Korea does. Here’s a video of 2014 in emotions. Get your hankies out cause you’re gonna shed a tear.

2014: Year in emotions (First edition) - Zapatou

In the video description on the Youtube channel you’ll find all the separate clips from which this clip was made.

148 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 4:27:59pm
149 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 4:28:04pm

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

Congress has the whip hand on this one, since it has to authorize any embassy building and the Senate must approve any ambassador. Most of the embargo is also in place by act of Congress, so it cannot be bypassed by an Executive Order.

150 Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2014 4:29:52pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Congress has the whip hand on this one, since it has to authorize any embassy building and the Senate must approve any ambassador. Most of the embargo is also in place by act of Congress, so it cannot be bypassed by an Executive Order.

And Republicans are beholden not only to Cuban expats for votes in Florida, but to the Cold Warriors who still live this fantasy world where Castro croaking will mean the end of communism in Cuba and a return to the happy days of America running everything there.

151 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 4:31:10pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Congress has the whip hand on this one, since it has to authorize any embassy building and the Senate must approve any ambassador. Most of the embargo is also in place by act of Congress, so it cannot be bypassed by an Executive Order.

Oh yes, 2015 will begin the Congress of Fools and foolishness.

152 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 4:31:30pm

re: #127 Justanotherhuman

And GG has been mysteriously silent since 12/19.

Must be schmoozing with Sony about the filming of his book, “No Place to Hide”. Are they really in a position to do this dud now?

Does anyone really give a crap about another movie on Snowden after Poitras’ huge fail?

According to documents recently released by the SONY hackers, the film version of No Place to Hide will be a redemption-themed family comedy with comeback roles for Pauly Shore as Snowden, Gilbert Gottfried as Greenwald and Shia LaBeouf as Julian Assange.

153 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 4:34:04pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

…and a return to the happy days of America running everything there.

Who would be their Meyer Lansky, their Lucky Luciano, I wonder?

154 jaunte  Dec 22, 2014 4:34:37pm

re: #153 Justanotherhuman

Donald Trump.

155 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 4:37:33pm

re: #153 Justanotherhuman

No need for that, as casinos are run by large corporations now.

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 4:37:47pm

re: #110 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Anyone under forty can kiss their Social Security goodbye. The GOP has figured out that you don’t vote.

I’ve heard that same nonsense since the 1970s.
Lies live a long time, but only if people believe them.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 4:38:57pm

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

UN diplomat says decision on how North Korea will respond to Monday’s security council meeting will be made in Pyongyang - @Reuters
end of alert

More: North Korean UN diplomat says country ‘totally’ rejects’ US desire to put North Korea’s human rights record on UN council agenda - @SkyNewsBreak
end of alert

tiny feet are stomping furiously…

158 Souliren  Dec 22, 2014 4:39:09pm

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Wow! What great art.
Every one of them is a masterpiece.
They aren’t by the same photographer so kudos to Nichelle Gainer for choosing them.

Every kid in the first picture would finish a footrace before a random person of a similar age today.

I’m sure it would be a mistake to cross Lt. Alma Jackson.

You can see the strength and depth in the faces. I’d want any of the nurses in the Howard University to be the first to put their hands on me if I showed up in emergency with three bullet wounds.

Thanks!

159 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 4:40:53pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Funny how Obama’s decision has done more for us than 50+ years of that embargo.

160 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 4:42:32pm

...

161 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 4:43:08pm
162 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 4:47:21pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve heard that same nonsense since the 1970s.
Lies live a long time, but only if people believe them.

Yeah, Social Security isn’t run like a business, as the Post Office currently is.

Someone yesterday commented that there were more Millennials born than Boomers, and they’re paying into the system, at least the ones of whom I have knowledge. And they’re having babies. Both my grandkids are Millennials, as are their friends and acquaintances.

163 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 4:48:24pm
164 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 4:48:29pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

Funny how Obama’s decision has done more for us than 50+ years of that embargo.

It hasn’t gotten us anything yet. I don’t count Alan Gross as that could and should have been a straight prisoner swap.

165 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 4:48:49pm

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

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Build a wall … or huge hockey net to keep them out.

166 Varek Raith  Dec 22, 2014 4:49:28pm

re: #165 Eventual Carrion

Build a wall … or huge hockey net to keep them out.

No hockey net. You’d be swarming with Canadians before you know it.
/

167 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 4:49:43pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve heard that same nonsense since the 1970s.
Lies live a long time, but only if people believe them.

Lamentably, today’s GOP is on a roll and there doesn’t seem to be much standing in their way. I wouldn’t have thought that Obama would refuse to sign a budget bill with so many outrageous riders but, he did. Wall Street wants those SS contributions like a prospector wants gold and what Wall Street wants it seems to get these days. They won’t fuck with us Olds because we do vote, younger people not so much.

168 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 4:51:43pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

No hockey net. You’d be swarming with Canadians before you know it.
/

CANADIAN DRUG GANGS WITH THERE CHEAP MEDS!!!1!!!!!

169 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 4:51:51pm

re: #110 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Anyone under forty can kiss their Social Security goodbye. The GOP has figured out that you don’t vote.

Oh, please! The system needs to be reformed, but no one is talking about doing away with it, nor will they.

170 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 4:53:14pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

Oh, please! The system needs to be reformed, but no one is talking about doing away with it, nor will they.

Not doing away with it, just ‘Investing” it. And we know how well that can work out when there’s no moral hazard.

171 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 4:55:43pm

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

What first struck me after the beauty of these photos was that there didn’t seem to be any body issues back then as we have them today. Nutrition, no doubt, even among the poor, was probably better than today’s mfg’d crap and fast foods and increasingly sedentary lifestyles.

Glamour and grace: The vintage lens on black women of D.C.’s Scurlock Studio

washingtonpost.com

Gah, I love these photos.

172 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 4:56:11pm

re: #170 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Not doing away with it, just ‘Investing” it. And we know how well that can work out when there’s no moral hazard.

Invested in oil and gold probably.

173 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 4:58:51pm

Zedushka’s crazy wingnut brother called and now they are enjoying a nice chat repeating Fox News, Drudge & Rush memes.

Gah.

174 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 4:59:01pm

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

What first struck me after the beauty of these photos was that there didn’t seem to be any body issues back then as we have them today. Nutrition, no doubt, even among the poor, was probably better than today’s mfg’d crap and fast foods and increasingly sedentary lifestyles.

Glamour and grace: The vintage lens on black women of D.C.’s Scurlock Studio

washingtonpost.com

Something lost, righteous and sad, was the reason Cosby was out in the news was his exhibition of vast African American art.

175 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 4:59:32pm

re: #167 Higgs Boson’s Mate

You don’t think a shit ton of people who lost big on their 401ks in the stock market collapse have learned their lesson? Lots of those people weren’t old.

I just don’t think a lot of ordinary people have much faith left in Wall St and its manipulators.

176 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 4:59:42pm

re: #138 Rightwingconspirator

Who needs fire? I’m already cooked.

Good thing is twitter’s attention span is in the …..002 of seconds.

177 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 5:01:35pm

re: #176 #FergusonFireside

Good thing is twitter’s attention span is in the …..002 of seconds.

Uh, hmmm.

0_o

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:07:53pm

re: #119 darthstar

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I knew Baldrick and you, Kim Jong Un, are no Baldrick…

179 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 5:08:47pm

re: #175 Justanotherhuman

You don’t think a shit ton of people who lost big on their 401ks in the stock market collapse have learned their lesson? Lots of those people weren’t old.

I just don’t think a lot of ordinary people have much faith left in Wall St and its manipulators.

It doesn’t matter how much faith we have in Wall Street as long as the pols have faith that Wall Street will give them shitloads of campaign money and well-paid jobs when they leave government.

180 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 5:08:53pm

I saw a squirrel once.

181 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 5:09:21pm

Has anyone noticed a decline in rwnj trolls since N. Korea has gone dark?

182 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 5:10:07pm

re: #180 b_sharp

I saw a squirrel once.

pics or it didn’t happen

183 b_sharp  Dec 22, 2014 5:10:41pm

re: #181 b.d.

Has anyone noticed a decline in rwnj trolls since N. Korea has gone dark?

No.

184 Charles Johnson  Dec 22, 2014 5:12:09pm

I don’t get it. Why is this supposed to be “pathetic?” It sounds like an excellent idea to have an independent review, and who better to do it than a renowned journalism academy? A teaching experience, if you will.

I just don’t get how Chuck thinks. He’s like an alien species.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:12:36pm

re: #129 b_sharp

My friend you just blasted that phone# over twitter.

well, that escalated…

186 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 5:13:03pm

re: #147 William of Orange

Thankfully the internet is also used in better ways than North Korea does. Here’s a video of 2014 in emotions. Get your hankies out cause you’re gonna shed a tear.

[Embedded content]

Video

In the video description on the Youtube channel you’ll find all the separate clips from which this clip was made.

Damn you.

187 b.d.  Dec 22, 2014 5:17:28pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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I don’t get it. Why is this supposed to be “pathetic?” It sounds like an excellent idea to have an independent review, and who better to do it than a renowned journalism academy? A teaching experience, if you will.

I just don’t get how Chuck thinks. He’s like an alien species.

BECAUSE OBAMA WENT TO COLUMBIA! HAVEN’T YOU SEEN HIS FOREIGN STUDENT ID?!

188 goddamnedfrank  Dec 22, 2014 5:19:28pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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I don’t get it. Why is this supposed to be “pathetic?” It sounds like an excellent idea to have an independent review, and who better to do it than a renowned journalism academy? A teaching experience, if you will.

I just don’t get how Chuck thinks. He’s like an alien species.

It’s obvious he was going to attack them whatever their response was. If they’d kept in in house he’d have called it an institutional whitewash.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:20:00pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Congress has the whip hand on this one, since it has to authorize any embassy building and the Senate must approve any ambassador. Most of the embargo is also in place by act of Congress, so it cannot be bypassed by an Executive Order.

And the Republicans in Congress will just continue to revel in being assholes just because OBLAMA!!!11!!

190 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:20:54pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

No need for that, as casinos are run by large corporations now.

bwahahaaaaHAAAAAA!!!

191 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 5:22:22pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahaaaaHAAAAAA!!!

Stop stealing my ‘evil laugh’ lines, Ba_Sl.

192 Belafon  Dec 22, 2014 5:22:34pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

The other important piece of information to get out of that picture is why “we” don’t invade North Korea: That big bright blob just below the outline is Seoul. It would get demolished before we could make any real progress.

193 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 5:23:58pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Congress has the whip hand on this one, since it has to authorize any embassy building and the Senate must approve any ambassador. Most of the embargo is also in place by act of Congress, so it cannot be bypassed by an Executive Order.

So the old men obstructionists will take a stand on Cuba!!!!

Very few people buy into the cold war Cuba shit anymore.

To your peril.

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:24:31pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

It hasn’t gotten us anything yet. I don’t count Alan Gross as that could and should have been a straight prisoner swap.

Wasn’t just Alan Gross, we got someone else back as well.

Oh and the release of 50 Cuban political prisoners are just so much nothing to even mention.
And re-opening diplomatic relations, with SoS Kerry being the first Sos to officially visit Cuba in your lifetime is just window dressing.

Yeah…big “nuthingburger”…

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:25:12pm

re: #165 Eventual Carrion

Build a wall … or huge hockey net to keep them out.

A moat! A BIG MOAT!
We can call it, oh, the Gulf of Mexico!

196 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 5:25:31pm

re: #154 jaunte

Donald Trump.

He’s salivating. Clandestinely loving his POTUS.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:26:40pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

Oh, please! The system needs to be reformed, but no one is talking about doing away with it, nor will they.

Ummm…the GOP party leaders and wannabe leaders are indeed calling for privatizing Social Security.
Have you not been paying attention?

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:27:11pm

re: #170 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Not doing away with it, just ‘Investing” it. And we know how well that can work out when there’s no moral hazard.

We are Wall Street and we are here to help you!
Trust us!!!

199 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 5:27:43pm

re: #192 Belafon

The other important piece of information to get out of that picture is why “we” don’t invade North Korea: That big bright blob just below the outline is Seoul. It would get demolished before we could make any real progress.

This is sadly true. The Norks have so much artillery in place that we’ll never be able to take enough of it out quickly enough to prevent it from reducing large section of Seoul to rubble.

200 goddamnedfrank  Dec 22, 2014 5:28:17pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Congress has the whip hand on this one, since it has to authorize any embassy building and the Senate must approve any ambassador. Most of the embargo is also in place by act of Congress, so it cannot be bypassed by an Executive Order.

We already have a building. We call it an “interests section,” but it’s right there in Havana. It looks like and largely functions as an embassy in all but name.

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:29:22pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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I don’t get it. Why is this supposed to be “pathetic?” It sounds like an excellent idea to have an independent review, and who better to do it than a renowned journalism academy? A teaching experience, if you will.

I just don’t get how Chuck thinks. He’s like an alien species.

He hates Columbia Journalism of Review because they are “weak”.

202 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 5:29:27pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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I don’t get it. Why is this supposed to be “pathetic?” It sounds like an excellent idea to have an independent review, and who better to do it than a renowned journalism academy? A teaching experience, if you will.

I just don’t get how Chuck thinks. He’s like an alien species.

Because he knows the answers. Who needs a fucking J school?

203 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 5:30:34pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ummm…the GOP party leaders and wannabe leaders are indeed calling for privatizing Social Security.
Have you not been paying attention?

There’s talk of reform that would allow private investment, but that that’s not getting rid of Social Security. Its allowing people to get higher returns for the money they put in, higher returns the system ultimately needs to survive.

And such reforms can and should include safeguards to keep people who do not understand high finance away from financial instruments they will not understand.

204 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 22, 2014 5:30:48pm

re: #192 Belafon

The other important piece of information to get out of that picture is why “we” don’t invade North Korea: That big bright blob just below the outline is Seoul. It would get demolished before we could make any real progress.

Like I said no invasion needed. House of cards. Prolly just publish great leaders porn searches. Poof end of regime.

205 Justanotherhuman  Dec 22, 2014 5:31:22pm

I swear, I used to be able to sort of tolerate Morning Slow because I could always point and snicker.

But after his bullshit this morning about the situation in NYC, I’m reduced to local news to get up by. He might as well have given the entire NYPD a rim job on live TV. And, he had that slimeball, Bill Kristol, holding forth.

Plus, he doesn’t understand racism at all—not that I expect him to even try. And obviously Mika is there just for the paycheck with her half-assed responses.

206 Belafon  Dec 22, 2014 5:31:24pm

re: #117 darthstar

I saw that in Castaway.

207 Skip Intro  Dec 22, 2014 5:31:52pm

re: #196 #FergusonFireside

He’s salivating. Clandestinely loving his POTUS.

Trump’s newest, soon to go bankrupt casino will be in Havana.

208 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 22, 2014 5:32:13pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

There’s talk of reform that would allow private investment, but that that’s not getting rid of Social Security. Its allowing people to get higher returns for the money they put in, higher returns the system ultimately needs to survive.

And such reforms can and should include safeguards to keep people who do not understand high finance away from financial instruments they will not understand.

That would rule out the major banks and investment houses then, wouldn’t it?

209 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 5:33:06pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

There’s talk of reform that would allow private investment, but that that’s not getting rid of Social Security. Its allowing people to get higher returns for the money they put in, higher returns the system ultimately needs to survive.

And such reforms can and should include safeguards to keep people who do not understand high finance away from financial instruments they will not understand.

How in the hell do you define these people?

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:34:42pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

There’s talk of reform that would allow private investment, but that that’s not getting rid of Social Security. Its allowing people to get higher returns for the money they put in, higher returns the system ultimately needs to survive.

And such reforms can and should include safeguards to keep people who do not understand high finance away from financial instruments they will not understand.

Oh NO!!!
Privitizing SS is absolutely, indeed, very much so, GETTING RID OF SOCIAL SECURITY.

Good grief…You obviously had NO 401K or other retirement investments during the last freakin meltdown.

And PLEASE, stop with the condescending effing “safeguards” bullshit “people who do not understand high finance away from financial instruments they will not understand”.

ARRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

211 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 22, 2014 5:34:45pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

A moat! A BIG MOAT!
We can call it, oh, the Gulf of Mexico!

Up here we call it the Detroit River.

212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:35:36pm

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Up here we call it the Detroit River.

Pretty much the same thing.
:D

213 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 5:36:03pm

re: #209 #FergusonFireside

How in the hell do you define these people?

I’d suggest not allowing investment in ‘esoteric’ instruments unless the person wishing to do so has taken a class and passed a competence exam.

214 goddamnedfrank  Dec 22, 2014 5:36:08pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

There’s talk of reform that would allow private investment, but that that’s not getting rid of Social Security. Its allowing people to get higher returns for the money they put in, higher returns the system ultimately needs to survive.

And such reforms can and should include safeguards to keep people who do not understand high finance away from financial instruments they will not understand.

Privatize the profits, socialize the risks. At the end of the day this is all code for putting SS money under corporate control, knowing that the government will have no choice but to step in and clean up the mess when markets fail, or risk a social collapse on top of an economic one.

215 gwangung  Dec 22, 2014 5:38:20pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I’d suggest not allowing investment in ‘esoteric’ instruments unless the person wishing to do so has taken a class and passed a competence exam.

Banks can’t lose that many people for even two months, let alone three years.

And that’s actually serious. Banks operate on models put together by applied math people…and they DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MODELS.

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:38:20pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I’d suggest not allowing investment in ‘esoteric’ instruments unless the person wishing to do so has taken a class and passed a competence exam.

The GOP changes SS to privitizing, there is NO alternative for “the person”.

good freakin’ grief…

217 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 5:38:57pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I’d suggest not allowing investment in ‘esoteric’ instruments unless the person wishing to do so has taken a class and passed a competence exam.

Oh please. Ya’ll hate the government. Imagine setting up Government classes on how to invest. Tyranny X !!!

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:40:47pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I’d suggest not allowing investment in ‘esoteric’ instruments unless the person wishing to do so has taken a class and passed a competence exam.

There are already things called 401K and IRA.
Ask folks back in the last decade how that worked out for them.

219 #FergusonFireside  Dec 22, 2014 5:40:56pm

I’ll do whatever I want with maaay money.

Disaster. The never think it through further than the profit potential.

220 goddamnedfrank  Dec 22, 2014 5:45:33pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

And PLEASE, stop with the condescending effing “safeguards” bullshit “people who do not understand high finance away from financial instruments they will not understand”.

I too am curious about these safeguards. Is there going to be an IQ test before a person can invest their nest egg in a mutual fund that in turn goes heavily into fraudulently advertised mortgage derivatives?

221 Dark_Falcon  Dec 22, 2014 5:47:12pm

re: #215 gwangung

Banks can’t lose that many people for even two months, let alone three years.

And that’s actually serious. Banks operate on models put together by applied math people…and they DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MODELS.

Requirements can be fazed in, and ultimately if banks not understanding their own models isn’t really acceptable.

Heading upstairs…

222 goddamnedfrank  Dec 22, 2014 5:52:45pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I’d suggest not allowing investment in ‘esoteric’ instruments unless the person wishing to do so has taken a class and passed a competence exam.

It usually doesn’t make sense for the average person to select individual stocks, they get killed in transaction fees. Their exposure comes from mutual funds and other instruments where they’ve placed trust in professionals. Those professionals fuck innocent people over by getting greedy and not being half as smart as they think they are. Your “solution” does almost nothing towards actually addressing the problem. At the end of the day it’s the government that still assumes the bulk of the risk in a real collapse. Investment banks and corporations want to gamble with people’s social safety net, but they still want the government to step in and prevent chaos when those bets go sour.

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2014 5:57:42pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Requirements can be fazed in, and ultimately if banks not understanding their own models isn’t really acceptable.

Heading upstairs…

yep…go on and head on upstairs.
Air might be clearer and more esoteric…and you won’t have to defend that ridiculous argument.

224 gwangung  Dec 22, 2014 6:01:29pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Requirements can be fazed in, and ultimately if banks not understanding their own models isn’t really acceptable.

Heading upstairs…

Heh heh heh…..ya really think that’ll stop the banks? He heh heh he heh….

225 Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2014 6:22:40pm

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Up here we call it the Detroit River.

Us here in PA have that big lake up there. What we need is fresh water sharks with frickin’ lasers on their heads.

Edit: Maybe muskie instead.

226 Lancelot Link  Dec 22, 2014 6:31:07pm

re: #225 Eventual Carrion

Edit: Maybe muskie instead.

Muskie?

227 meteor  Dec 22, 2014 6:38:12pm

Did North Korea spill soda on the keyboard? I hate it when that happens.

228 makeitstop  Dec 22, 2014 7:31:42pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Congress has the whip hand on this one, since it has to authorize any embassy building and the Senate must approve any ambassador. Most of the embargo is also in place by act of Congress, so it cannot be bypassed by an Executive Order.

The embassy is already there - United States Interest Section.

229 darthstar  Dec 22, 2014 8:44:57pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

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I love that he’s got an ergo-mouse and a keyboard on a stainless steel case with nothing inside it.


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