North Korea: “Obama Is Like a Monkey in a Tropical Forest”

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Kim Jong Un is furious tonight. So furious he sounds like a Tea Party leader.

“Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest,” an unidentified spokesman at the commission’s Policy Department said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

He also accused Washington for intermittent outages of North Korea websites this week, after the U.S. had promised to respond to the Sony hack.

There was no immediate reaction from the White House on Saturday.

According to the North Korea commission’s spokesman, “the U.S., a big country, started disturbing the Internet operation of major media of the DPRK, not knowing shame like children playing a tag.”

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228 comments

1 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 8:59:54pm

You can always count on North Korea to go for the most egregious rhetoric. Predictable like a clock.

2 BigPapa  Dec 26, 2014 9:05:57pm

I’ve been told I have no shame like a child playing a tag many times.

3 Shazam  Dec 26, 2014 9:09:59pm

“North Korea, not a big country, lost its entire internet to a couple of pimple-faced teenagers (probably), not knowing shame like children playing a tag.”

4 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 26, 2014 9:10:10pm

Obama is like a piñata in an art museum.

5 Kragar  Dec 26, 2014 9:14:03pm
6 BigPapa  Dec 26, 2014 9:24:36pm

I faahrt in Muslim Userper’s general direction.

7 Swift2991  Dec 26, 2014 9:31:58pm
8 philosophus invidius  Dec 26, 2014 9:34:36pm

Not that I know Korean, but somehow I think that “jungle” would have been a more accurate translation than “tropical forest.”

9 Single-handed sailor  Dec 26, 2014 9:40:42pm

Frankly, I couldn’t tell if that came from Rodong Sinmun or Fox News.

10 nines09  Dec 26, 2014 9:54:27pm

Sounds like Ted Nugent cleaned up his syntax and is writing prose for the posers. I wondered what wet rock he was under.

11 Tigger2  Dec 26, 2014 9:58:58pm

The Louie Gohmert of North Korea.

12 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 9:59:50pm

I heard this on BBC News on the radio driving home tonight. My eyes went O_o

13 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 10:04:09pm

Ski shop is on pace to be busiest in years. And it’s kind of spooky how nice our clients have been. Even return-customers who the shop all knows as pretty insufferable have been surprisingly pleasant.

I blame the expanding economy, low energy prices, and Obama.

14 Kragar  Dec 26, 2014 10:04:38pm

My daughter was secure in the knowledge that if I tried to sneak up on her while she was on the computer, my shadow would give me away.

She never expected me to low crawl. Her shriek was most satisfactory, especially as she was chatting to her friends on Skype at the time.

15 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 10:06:23pm

re: #14 Kragar

My daughter was secure in the knowledge that if I tried to sneak up on her while she was on the computer, my shadow would give me away.

She never expected me to low crawl. Her shriek was most satisfactory, especially as she was chatting to her friends on Skype at the time.

Instilling the element of (in this case good-hearted) surprise in your daughter, YOU MONSTER!

16 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 10:20:14pm

Kalling Kragar a ‘monster’ killed the tkread. Whkoops.

17 KiTA  Dec 26, 2014 10:21:46pm

Christmas was weird. The bus broke down, leaving us stranded for an hour and a half at work. Which turned into… well, no idea if the bus is fixed, but 8 hours in a coworker gave me a ride home.

On the plus side, I got 2 hours of OT and the nice girl who works nights gave me a hand knitted scarf and hat for Christmas.

18 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 10:22:00pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

Ski shop is on pace to be busiest in years. And it’s kind of spooky how nice our clients have been. Even return-customers who the shop all knows as pretty insufferable have been surprisingly pleasant.

I blame the expanding economy, low energy prices, and Obama.

Oh, and the snow. Can’t forget the snow. 131 inches since Halloween and counting.

19 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 10:30:33pm

re: #17 KiTA

Christmas was weird. The bus broke down, leaving us stranded for an hour and a half at work. Which turned into… well, no idea if the bus is fixed, but 8 hours in a coworker gave me a ride home.

On the plus side, I got 2 hours of OT and the nice girl who works nights gave me a hand knitted scarf and hat for Christmas.

Gotta love groovy co-workers. This happened last year. Note: This is the *back* of the t-shirt.

20 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 10:36:13pm

Ugh. Amateur hour. What can I say, I’m fried. Been on my feet 14 hours.

Zzz

21 Kragar  Dec 26, 2014 10:57:48pm
22 #FergusonFireside  Dec 26, 2014 11:13:05pm

Hey all! My secret santa @ 2nd job got me a scarf & gloves. Really cute, the gloves have a metallic pad on the index fingers & thumbs so they work on electronics. lol.

23 #FergusonFireside  Dec 26, 2014 11:15:03pm

Oh Love!!!!

24 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 11:23:19pm

We’re in the middle of a well-designed distraction. Culture and society are very good at creating distractions.

25 #FergusonFireside  Dec 26, 2014 11:23:20pm

Everyone’s ‘sleep.

26 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 11:23:43pm

So, I see CCJ is hot on the Sony hack case and has “identified” a former Sony employee he alleges released reams of internal documents. However, as I read his article I see it’s all circumstantial evidence and hypothetical connections.

In other words, not real journalism.

He supposedly called her parents’ home in an effort to talk to her. Not good.

27 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 11:24:55pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

We’re in the middle of a well-designed distraction. Culture and society are very good at creating distractions.

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Uh, what? Sorry, my mind was on something else.

28 Kragar  Dec 26, 2014 11:26:52pm

re: #26 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

So, I see CCJ is hot on the Sony hack case and has “identified” a former Sony employee he alleges released reams of internal documents. However, as I read his article I see it’s all circumstantial evidence and hypothetical connections.

In other words, not real journalism.

He supposedly called her parents’ home in an effort to talk to her. Not good.

“We tracked down a picture of the suspect’s ex-girlfriend’s former roommate. You can tell from her skirt she’s a slut.”

29 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 11:31:03pm

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Uh, what? Sorry, my mind was on something else.

Fer Crickeys I hope it’s not something along the lines of the plot line of some awful daytime television program.

/

30 #FergusonFireside  Dec 26, 2014 11:32:35pm

This dude is the movement.

31 #FergusonFireside  Dec 26, 2014 11:34:05pm
32 #FergusonFireside  Dec 26, 2014 11:38:57pm

Got to be back there tomorrow at 10 am. Going to check out how this forced sleep thing works.

Later Lizardos.

33 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 11:39:58pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

Fer Crickeys I hope it’s not something along the lines of the plot line of some awful daytime television program.

/

Nah. I don’t watch daytime TV. Anyway, China’s programming sucks 24/7.

34 teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2014 11:45:30pm

re: #33 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Anyway, China’s programming sucks 24/7.

I can’t even imagine the media/internet reach in China. I’m surprised you can do up LGF from your 20.

Good times.

Love your UpChuck dossier! Lizards, read up.

35 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 11:58:44pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

I can’t even imagine the media/internet reach in China. I’m surprised you can do up LGF from your 20.

Good times.

Love your UpChuck dossier! Lizards, read up.

Thanks! I haven’t been on twitter much lately, so I may have missed some of CCJ’s latest pronouncements of greatness.

Internet access here is not bad, except for accessing those sites the censors block, like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and most of Google’s services. For those, I have to use a VPN, which tends to slow down access and occasionally fails. It’s free, so I’m not complaining.

I should add that I live on a university campus, so our Internet bandwidth is a mite better than most residential users have.

36 Jenner7  Dec 27, 2014 12:27:15am

re: #30 #FergusonFireside

And Netta’s facial expressions…

37 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 1:35:08am

Upset and outrage over film entertainment continues:

Egypt bans ‘inaccurate’ Exodus film

38 Dr Lizardo  Dec 27, 2014 3:24:06am

Meanwhile, here in Europe, Swedish wingnuts have just found themselves outmanuevered.

Sweden’s government has scrapped plans to run a snap election in 2015 after crisis talks between Prime Minister Stefan Löfven and the Alliance parties, which has been dubbed the ‘December agreement.’

“We who are here are prepared to take responsibility for how Sweden is to be governed. Constructive talks have taken place in the last few days,” Löfven told reporters at a 10:30 press conference held in Stockholm.

He added that the arrangement has been called the ‘December agreement’ and its goal is to ensure that a minority government can govern.

thelocal.se

What this does, basically, is leave the SD (Swedish Democrats), a far-right political party that polled at 13% in the recent elections, politically isolated. The SD had been hoping to gain further parliamentary seats in the (now-canceled) 2015 elections - and it looks like that’s just not gonna happen.

I can only imagine that the Swedish wingnuts are crying in their akvavit right about now. Heh.

God Jul, bitchez.

39 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 3:42:04am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Upset and outrage over film entertainment continues:

Egypt bans ‘inaccurate’ Exodus film

And Moses (raised as an Egyptian prince) probably was more like a swarthy 5’6”, (probably “tall” for the time), not the 6’ tall pale Bale; neither was Ramses anything like the 5’11” Edgerton (his mummy reportedly measures about 5’7”,—but he was royalty and probably ate very well). If Moses himself escaped Egypt after supposedly killing a “slavemaster”, he was also an escaped felon—pretty ironic for the guy considered the “lawgiver” of the time.

Mythology generally elaborates every aspect of these figures which supports the “belief” that develops over milennia. I find it odd that so little is really known about such Bronze Age figures and so much is taken as “truth”.

But today, as throughout history, we suffer the result of these “beliefs” in ways that we should all condemn.

40 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 3:51:35am

Heh.

41 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 4:02:33am

Lukashenko doing his dictator thing.

Alexander Lukashenko appoints chief of staff Andrey Kobyakov as new prime minister of Belarus, presidential press service says - @Reuters
end of alert

President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko dismisses prime minister, head of central bank and several ministers - @Reuters
end of alert

42 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 4:05:46am

re: #39 Justanotherhuman

…and the fact that Hollywood films are entertainment, not serious historical research. I recall the Iranian government getting upset of the portrayal of the Persians in “300”, a film based on a comic book.

But people do not like it when their accepted conventions are tampered with.

43 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 4:13:33am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

…and the fact that Hollywood films are entertainment, not serious historical research.

But people do not like it when their accepted conventions are tampered with.

This.

Seriously, do people really think the beautifully English Elizabeth Taylor even closely resembled Cleopatra? Although at 5’3”, she was probably closer to Cleo’s height than any other actor. : )

44 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 4:55:57am

re: #43 Justanotherhuman

This.

Seriously, do people really think the beautifully English Elizabeth Taylor even closely resembled Cleopatra? Although at 5’3”, she was probably closer to Cleo’s height than any other actor. : )

One of things that bothers me is the lack of basic, basic education, like the difference between the genres of history, science, scripture and fiction.

Films are meant to be entertainment and nothing more. If they closely resemble documented history, it can be fun, but they are not compelled to.

45 Maggie's Pa  Dec 27, 2014 4:59:16am

This article makes a lot of assumptions for the 2016 elections, can you find them all?

In 2016, however, the Democrats foresee more favorable conditions. Not only is voter turnout expected to be much higher, but the economy will likely have had two more years to improve following the Great Recession.
On top of that, the demise of centrist Democrats in purple districts in 2014 means the party won’t be forced to play defense in the most contested races in the next cycle. And the Democrats are also hoping a strong presidential candidate - someone like presumptive contender Hillary Clinton - will excite the party’s base and provide candidates with lengthy coattails.
“In a presidential election with a Democratic nominee winning 53, 54 percent of the vote nationally - which I think is quite plausible with Hillary - she’s going to outperform that in the purple districts and create some real updraft,” said one former Democratic lawmaker.

46 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 5:04:32am

.re: #45 Maggie’s Pa

It’s a Hillary advert, to be blunt. And this Dem voter isn’t that excited about her, as I don’t really see her as a transformational figure.

47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 5:05:48am

re: #45 Maggie’s Pa

This article makes a lot of assumptions for the 2016 elections, can you find them all?

I would vote for Hillary only begrudgingly, and only because I cannot imagine that today’s GOP could come up with a better candidate.

Transformational? Heck no, just more status quo.

48 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 5:09:09am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would vote for Hillary only begrudgingly, and only because I cannot imagine that today’s GOP could come up with a better candidate.

Transformational? Heck no, just more status quo.

And a lot better status quo than anything the Repubs will be able to offer. : )

Still…

49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 5:13:34am

re: #48 Justanotherhuman

And a lot better status quo than anything the Repubs will be able to offer. : )

Still…

The banks will still be able to run roughshod over the economy without fear of consequences, it would just be slightly better for women, gays and minorities.

50 Dr Lizardo  Dec 27, 2014 5:16:34am

As I largely expected, the SD in Sweden is furiously butthurt with the arrangement reached earlier today, resulting in the cancellation of next year’s snap elections. They’re saying they’ll go forward and try to push a no-confidence vote, but they simply don’t have the numbers to pull it off.

thelocal.se

Wingnut howls of impotent rage - the same in any language.

51 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 5:22:38am

And this is nothing new either, denigrating Obama as a black man is a staple in the official NK rhetoric: littlegreenfootballs.com

North Korea is, for all intents and purposes, a fascist state. It is not a communist state (they removed the mentions of communism from their constitution quite recently), and its ethos has long ago become right-wing.

52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 5:23:59am

re: #51 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

And this is nothing new either, denigrating Obama as a black man is a staple in the official NK rhetoric: littlegreenfootballs.com

North Korea is, for all intents and purposes, a fascist state. It is not a communist state (they removed the mentions of communism from their constitution quite recently), and its ethos has long ago become right-wing.

I don’t think it has an ideology beyond preserving the current elite in their position of power.

53 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 5:32:48am

re: #43 Justanotherhuman

This.

Seriously, do people really think the beautifully English Elizabeth Taylor even closely resembled Cleopatra? Although at 5’3”, she was probably closer to Cleo’s height than any other actor. : )

Not surprising, though, that in this country, people would give up a decent basic education to celebrity worship their favorite popular culture figures and try to emulate them in style, attitude, buying products with their names on them, etc. There is something a bit pathological about people who can’t, or refuse, to open their own selves up to the possibilities in life with education but simply consume what they can from others.

Even I was over Elvis Presley in about 6 mos, by the time I turned 16, and that was about 1957. This simple, ordinary guy could sing a little (appropriating a lot of Black music of the time), threw a little sexiness into his act, and made records, for chrissakes, and he himself appeared to be eaten up by fame and fortune.

54 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 5:34:06am

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t think it has an ideology beyond preserving the current elite in their position of power.

It does have an ideology based on 1. Nazi-like ultra-nationalism, 2. worshiping the current Dear Leader as a living god.

55 Teukka  Dec 27, 2014 5:40:47am

re: #38 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, here in Europe, Swedish wingnuts have just found themselves outmanuevered.

thelocal.se

What this does, basically, is leave the SD (Swedish Democrats), a far-right political party that polled at 13% in the recent elections, politically isolated. The SD had been hoping to gain further parliamentary seats in the (now-canceled) 2015 elections - and it looks like that’s just not gonna happen.

I can only imagine that the Swedish wingnuts are crying in their akvavit right about now. Heh.

God Jul, bitchez.

En riktigt God Jul.
(A really Merry Christmas)

A welcome piece of news after this:
m.thelocal.se

Oh, and the locals in Eskilstuna reacted like this to the atttack:
m.thelocal.se

56 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 5:44:09am

re: #53 Justanotherhuman

Why go through the trouble of creating a life when you can just appropriate a ready-made one?

57 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 5:55:51am

re: #26 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

So, I see CCJ is hot on the Sony hack case and has “identified” a former Sony employee he alleges released reams of internal documents. However, as I read his article I see it’s all circumstantial evidence and hypothetical connections.

In other words, not real journalism.

He supposedly called her parents’ home in an effort to talk to her. Not good.

It’s very telling that it’s always the women whom Chuckles fixates upon.

58 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 27, 2014 5:56:56am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

It’s very telling that it’s always the women whom Chuckles fixates upon.

Interesting point, but he’s also got a thing for scary black men.

59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 6:00:49am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Interesting point, but he’s also got a thing for scary black men.

Because the country was a better place when neither women nor black men had any say in how it was run.

/

60 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 6:06:50am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because the country was a better place when neither women nor black men had any say in how it was run.

/

Upchuck: White man superiority complex.

61 Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2014 6:13:51am

The temp has dropped 15’ since I got up and the wind has shifted to the north. Gonna be shitty in Austin today.

62 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 6:16:19am

A long article in the Russian Esquire about one Russian soldier who took part in the invasion. Hopefully it will be translated one day: esquire.ru

63 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 6:17:21am

re: #62 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

A long article in the Russian Esquire about one Russian soldier who took part in the invasion. Hopefully it will be translated one day: esquire.ru

Any useful highlights?

64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 6:17:25am

re: #61 Dave In Austin

The temp has dropped 15’ since I got up and the wind has shifted to the north. Gonna be shitty in Austin today.

Our temps in Germany dropped about the same, for that we got a nice dusting of snow today.

65 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 6:19:11am

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

Upchuck: White man superiority complex.

With women it comes across as Chuckles wanting to depict women as not being able to handle complex tasks outside of the home.

66 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 6:20:05am

re: #61 Dave In Austin

The temp has dropped 15’ since I got up and the wind has shifted to the north. Gonna be shitty in Austin today.

Ouch. Will be around 55 here today. Tomorrow the rain starts for 3 days (just like last week before xmas) but the temp will stay in the high 50s.

Being with a 5 yr old in a small apt can be, well, interesting. : ) Thankfully, he’s very well-behaved for the most part, and can help me eliminate some of the old toys in his room to give away. He got a lot of new things from various people which should keep us busy (even his pediatrician sent him a box full of stuff), but today, he’s w/dad visiting friends.

67 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 6:21:07am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

With women it comes across as Chuckles wanting to depict women as not being able to handle complex tasks outside of the home.

And yet his wife is a pharmacist who moved the entire family to Fresno?

68 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 27, 2014 6:21:22am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

With women it comes across as Chuckles wanting to depict women as not being able to handle complex tasks outside of the home.

Or as vindictive shrews who strike back when things don’t go their way.

69 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 27, 2014 6:22:14am

re: #67 Justanotherhuman

And yet his wife is a pharmacist who moved the entire family to Fresno?

His wife is a pharmacist? That’s new.

70 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 6:23:53am

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Any useful highlights?

Well, it confirms the obvious for the umteenth time (Russia sends soldiers to Ukraine while denying it), but there are some purely human moments that are valuable. Like this soldier’s cousin being an Ukrainian nationalist who had to leave Crimea (in the invasion of which the soldier took part).

71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 6:24:07am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

His wife is a pharmacist? That’s new.

somebody has to support the family until the millions start rolling in…

72 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 6:25:08am

Today is the first second day of 7.

Happy Kwanzaa, everyone!

73 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 6:29:53am

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

Does anybody really celebrate it?

According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has “leveled off” as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans. Mayes adds that white institutions now celebrate it.

74 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 6:33:42am

Mornin’ everyone.

75 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 6:34:19am

Wanna feel what it’s like to live in Russia? Move to an oil state.

76 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 6:35:53am

re: #67 Justanotherhuman

And yet his wife is a pharmacist who moved the entire family to Fresno?

Possibly an externalization of resentment. He’s a chauvinist, but yet his wife is currently the bread-winner in the family. He can’t go after her with the risk of losing her and having to find a real job, so he goes after other women instead to vent his DERPy anger.

77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 6:36:19am

re: #75 darthstar

Wanna feel what it’s like to live in Russia? Move to an oil state.

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Because the American economy knows only boom and bust…we do not have the laws or regulatory infrastructure to promote sustainable growth.

78 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 6:37:00am

re: #73 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Does anybody really celebrate it?

Some places more than others.

wbtv.com

79 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 6:38:09am

US conducts 12 air strikes against Islamic State in Syria and Iraq today, combined joint task force says - @Reuters
end of alert

80 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 27, 2014 6:38:29am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

somebody has to support the family until the millions start rolling in…

I thought someone in the family had a nursing uniform business. Maybe that’s the MIL.

81 Justanotherhuman  Dec 27, 2014 6:40:01am

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I thought someone in the family had a nursing uniform business. Maybe that’s the MIL.

It is the MIL.

And he’s not allowed in the till, I’ll bet.

Being personally involved with two successful women must really burn him.

82 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2014 6:40:10am

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I thought someone in the family had a nursing uniform business. Maybe that’s the MIL.

Yes, MIL has the uniform business.
Wife works at a pharmacy.

83 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 6:43:36am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, MIL has the uniform business.
Wife works at a pharmacy.

some Unkown Hinson for CCJ

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2014 6:45:46am
85 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 6:47:34am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because the American economy knows only boom and bust…we do not have the laws or regulatory infrastructure to promote sustainable growth.

Turns out it’s not as bad as all that. Louisiana’s fucked, but they’ve still got Gilligan for a governor.

86 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 6:49:24am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 27, 2014 6:50:08am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, MIL has the uniform business.
Wife works at a pharmacy.

This gives me some insight into his personality, for sure.

88 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 6:52:08am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

This gives me some insight into his personality, for sure.

Soon the millions will be pouring in and they will both be able to retire in luxury.

89 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 6:52:48am

re: #86 darthstar

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Somebody graft Kim’s head on that Putin-on-a-horse photo.

90 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 6:55:15am

re: #86 darthstar

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Unfair to Putin, really. For all the DERP, the man does take care of himself, whereas Lil’ Kim is something of a butterball.

91 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 6:57:31am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

They’re both pretty small:

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92 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 6:59:53am

re: #91 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

They’re both pretty small:

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True, which explains a great deal in Putin’s case.

93 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 7:01:34am

Some choice creationist racism for your viewing pleasure, courtesy of PZ:

T.R.U.T.H. about the Dinosaurs: Brontosaurus

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2014 7:06:21am
95 Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2014 7:06:27am

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

.

It’s a Hillary advert, to be blunt. And this Dem voter isn’t that excited about her, as I don’t really see her as a transformational figure.

There’s always a spoiler waiting in the wings to throw the election. This time it’s Bernie Sanders.

96 makeitstop  Dec 27, 2014 7:06:39am

I hate Verio tech support with a burning, white-hot passion. Other than that, good morning.

97 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 7:06:48am

re: #93 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Saw that yesterday: pretty vile.

98 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 7:09:26am

re: #97 BigPapa

Saw that yesterday: pretty vile.

Hovind Jr. didn’t fall far from Hovind Sr.

99 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 7:22:09am

As PZ was saying, they say it cannot be racist because ‘we all came from the Ark.’ Notice the petty antagonism towards evolution at the end.

theTRUTHgroup6 years agoin reply to NotQuiteGobShite

There’s only 1 human race, my friend. No nationality is any more advanced than any other nationality. We ALL got off the same boat (Noah’s ark) together. How about you? What’s your explanation of the different nationalities. I’m curious, according to evolution, which one’s are more preferable than the others?

100 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 27, 2014 7:25:52am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…ticket scalper haz a sad:


Man wants refund after buying $650 in tickets to ‘The Interview’ at Esquire Theatre

A fool and his money …

101 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 7:26:39am

The fetishization of blaming black dudes for racism and race related violence continues to evolve.

102 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 7:26:40am

re: #99 BigPapa

That lil’ insignificant “curse of Ham” thing? Fugged about it!

103 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 7:31:49am

re: #101 BigPapa

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The fetishization of blaming black dudes for racism and race related violence continues to evolve.

And how is the ‘white power structure’ responsible for a black man killing a Chinese-American policer officer and a Latino police officer, pray tell?

104 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 7:37:04am

Let us find ways to defend white people by pointing out the ethnicity of others. Hey, didn’t kill a white dude! We’re in the clear here! Whoo-hoo!

105 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 7:40:40am
106 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 7:41:48am

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Possibly an externalization of resentment. He’s a chauvinist, but yet his wife is currently the bread-winner in the family. He can’t go after her with the risk of losing her and having to find a real job, so he goes after other women instead to vent his DERPy anger.

His wife is Asian, and there have been comments before about his preference for Asian women, possibly because he has a platonic ideal of all Asian women as submissive.

107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 7:43:50am

re: #106 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Given his love for Bell Curve and obsession with IQ, this might have to do with a stereotype of a “high-IQ Asian”.

108 Dark_Falcon  Dec 27, 2014 7:44:34am

re: #107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Given his love for Bell Curve and obsession with IQ, this might have to do with a stereotype of a “high-IQ Asian”.

Quite possibly.

109 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 7:47:34am

Sorry to come back from a self-imposed posting hiatus because I have been sick as all hell.

Hope everyone has/had a great holiday season.

I posted about this before the fever brain took over the other day, but have any of the gamers on here played War Thunder?

It’s a WWII simulator that also might be of interest to the airplanes and tanks of the period.

i’ve played a bit after I downloaded (it’s one of those Free to Pay style games, but doesn’t *yet* seem to be egregious with the micropayment traps - I haven’t spent anything on it yet). It’s pretty fun, but I haven’t played games in a while.

110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 7:48:15am

re: #109 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hope you’re feeling OK now!

111 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 7:48:42am

re: #107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Given his love for Bell Curve and obsession with IQ, this might have to do with a stereotype of a “high-IQ Asian”.

The anecdotal data I have read, it was more the Asian female is submissive stereotype. Given his general misogyny, I’m sticking with that Internet diagnosis. :)

112 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 7:49:13am

re: #110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Still recovering, but I’m eating again, so baby steps.

113 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 7:49:36am

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

And how is the ‘white power structure’ responsible for a black man killing a Chinese-American policer officer and a Latino police officer, pray tell?

I wasn’t applying blame for that specific incident, speaking to the defensive posture of authorities and authoritarians by blaming black dudes for the violence and purported violent reactions.

But since you opened that door, why did that black dude shoot the two cops (their ethnicity had no bearing on their targeting)? Just because he was crazy, a purely evil criminal?

Was it some patently random act out of the blue?

114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 7:52:27am

re: #113 BigPapa

This discussion is too nuanced for twitters or aerial banners. He was clearly deranged, and recent events gave him a target to fixate on.

But that is irrelevant, it is now being sold to us as “Obama taught us to hate police”.

115 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 7:53:18am

re: #111 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Well, it came from the same people who say he pooped on the floor ;) So I’ll stick with his public pronouncements…

116 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 27, 2014 7:54:55am

re: #111 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The anecdotal data I have read, it was more the Asian female is submissive stereotype. Given his general misogyny, I’m sticking with that Internet diagnosis. :)

It’s a myth. Once married, many Chinese women take control of the family finances. Their husbands may be total dicks, but their wives keep them on short leashes. Indonesian women may be the same.

So, I’m guessing the wife and MIL are not bankrolling the founding of the UpChuck media empire, which explains his constant click-baiting and begging for money in his Twitter feed and websites.

117 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 7:56:06am

re: #106 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

His wife is Asian, and there have been comments before about his preference for Asian women, possibly because he has a platonic ideal of all Asian women as submissive.

His wife has a job and doesn’t have time to read everything he writes online. If she did, he wouldn’t have a wife, let alone a “hot Asian” one who probably wouldn’t appreciate being referred to as either ‘hot’ or ‘Asian’ by her husband.

118 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 7:58:18am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This discussion is too nuanced for twitters or aerial banners. He was clearly deranged, and recent events gave him a target to fixate on.

But that is irrelevant, it is now being sold to us as “Obama taught us to hate police”.

No doubt he was deranged. But actual events of young black men *being killed* to some degree set him off. Not Sharpton or Obama speeches.

119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 7:58:58am

re: #118 BigPapa

No doubt he was deranged. But actual events of young black men to some degree set him off. Not Sharpton or Obama speeches.

and actual events of older white men (in uniform) also contributed…

120 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 8:00:12am

re: #116 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s a myth. Once married, many Chinese women take control of the family finances. Their husbands may be total dicks, but their wives keep them on short leashes. Indonesian women may be the same.

So, I’m guessing the wife and MIL are not bankrolling the founding of the UpChuck media empire, which explains his constant click-baiting and begging for money in his Twitter feed and websites.

I know it’s a myth, hence my use of stereotype. So maybe he’s the sub and his public dickishness is his outlet for his manly man bullshit fever dreams.

¯(◉‿◉)/¯

121 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 8:02:30am

re: #120 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I know it’s a myth, hence my use of stereotype. So maybe he’s the sub and his public dickishness is his outlet for his manly man bullshit fever dreams.

¯(◉‿◉)/¯

Nothing but speculation about his domestic situation. But one thing is for certain: he is a dickhead.

122 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 8:04:09am

And just to show how bad my illness has been, I haven’t even had the energy to put together my shitty little kettle grill that I bought myself for Christmas. :(

($20-ish on Amazon).

123 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:07:18am

My learned colleague Dr. Zurkowitz posits a certainty in the matter of one Chaz. C. Johnson being a “dickhead”. I am not fully convinced of this theory. I submit it is more likely that the said individual is an “asshole”. Without delay I’m sending an article to that effect to the Journal for Psychotic Personality Research.

Yours truly,
Dr. Backpfeifengesicht, Esq.

124 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 8:07:31am

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

All speculation about his domestic situation. But one thing is for certain: he is a dickhead.

Except dickheads (and assholes, and pussies) serve purposes that benefit humanity. I think he’s more of a douchebag, or maybe a festering pustulous boil on the ass of humanity.

125 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 8:08:21am

re: #123 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Good sir,

See my reply above.

126 Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2014 8:11:57am
127 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 8:12:19am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and actual events of older white men (in uniform) also contributed…

I edited, as I meant to say ‘young black men being killed’ in my statement.

I have a low tolerance to remove context and nuance from a very complex discussion, especially one so serious. While there is obviously attempts to misplace blame for political means, sometimes there are other attempts to manage the narrative, in this case completely compartmentalize the incident as the actions of a crazy person so that they themselves only, with no other outside influence, committed the heinous act. That works for Jared Loughner, but not this time.

Ismaayil Brinsley was a heinous criminal who committed a heinous crime, but there is no evidence that he is clinically insane or schizophrenic, and he clearly stated the heinous murders were in retaliation for the deaths of black men at the hands of police.

Quite specifically, not because Obama or Sharpton (or any other black man making statements) encouraged him.

128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:13:37am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Chuck and Miri Make a Porno.

129 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 8:13:50am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

@jaketapper do you have a camera screw to spare?
Hahaha. Sure, Chuckles, come right over. BTW, you got the 6 figures to pony up to pay for them?

130 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:16:31am

re: #127 BigPapa

My impression was that it is exactly here, at LGF, there seems to be a consensus that he was, indeed, just a crazy loon and was not, in fact, influenced (to any appreciable degree) by the protest movement, which the wingnuts are blaming his crime on.

131 Bass Reeves  Dec 27, 2014 8:16:36am

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

If you think the of the shooter as mentally deranged, you could say the lack of adequate funding/attention to mental health in this country. If you wonder how the shooter got a gun, you could point to the concerted effort to block reasonable gun regulation. If you look at the victims, you would be hard pressed to say the shooter targeted and ‘Asian’ and ‘Latino’, he targeted ‘NYPD’. All of that is more related to the ‘white power structure’ in this country than it is to ‘black people are the real racists’ in that piece of tripe masquerading as an article.

Or do *you* consider De Blasio, Sharpton, Obama, and Holder more responsible for race relations than the white majority population of this country?

132 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 8:19:03am

I’ve spent some considerable time reviewing video of the Antonio Martin shooting and have not seen any weapon in his hand. It appears that he had a cell phone in his hand.

Anybody see any conclusive proof of a handgun in his hand aiming at the officer?

133 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 8:19:27am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Tapper was the first person to block me on Twitter after I mocked him for tweeting on his crackberry during Obama’s opening remarks at a White House press conference.

134 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:19:56am

re: #132 BigPapa

The videos are too grainy, but the matter is pretty clear, since the gun was found.

135 #FergusonFireside  Dec 27, 2014 8:20:18am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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For real? lol

Good morning with a guffaw.

136 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 27, 2014 8:22:00am

re: #134 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The videos are too grainy, but the matter is pretty clear, since the gun was found.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any measure, but have seen a pic from before the body was covered. I cannot for sure see a gun in the place that later pictures show. Once again not saying they planted one, but there is a time this summer where a St. Louis department (don’t remember which one) did attempt to plant one on a suspect.

137 #FergusonFireside  Dec 27, 2014 8:22:57am
138 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:25:04am

re: #136 nearly-headless smith25

I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any measure, but

Usually I would stop right there ;)

have seen a pic from before the body was covered. I cannot for sure see a gun in the place that later pictures show.

All the conspiracy tweets have small low quality pixellated photos, where I wouldn’t expect to see a lot of detail. Sorry, but it’s pretty much the standard CT fare.

139 makeitstop  Dec 27, 2014 8:26:43am

re: #137 #FergusonFireside

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Shame on every one of them.

140 #FergusonFireside  Dec 27, 2014 8:27:02am

We trust these cops?

141 Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2014 8:28:08am

re: #137 #FergusonFireside

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Think it’s time the mayor started playing hardball. Such as suggesting some “cutting the fat” in the NYPD.

142 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 8:28:22am

re: #134 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The videos are too grainy, but the matter is pretty clear, since the gun was found.

A gun was allegedly found. Martin may have shot the cop, but St Louis PD had a recent case where a gun was planted, still fresh in everybody’s mind.

There’s no trust at all. Can’t say I trust them either.

143 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 8:29:34am

re: #141 Targetpractice

Think it’s time the mayor started playing hardball. Such as suggesting some “cutting the fat” in the NYPD.

Reagan did it to the air traffic controllers. And they named an airport after him! LOL

144 gwangung  Dec 27, 2014 8:29:42am

re: #134 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The videos are too grainy, but the matter is pretty clear, since the gun was found.

Well, no. A gun, maybe even his gun, was found.

But this is police from departments that are known to lie and tamper with evidence.

Note that there have been police shootings in the past where the victim was shown to have only a garden hose sprayer.

145 Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2014 8:30:51am

re: #143 BigPapa

Reagan did it to the air traffic controllers. And they named an airport after him! LOL

Technically, it was Congress who named the airport after him.

146 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:33:41am

re: #142 BigPapa

A gun was allegedly found.

Not allegedly, it was, indeed, found.

Martin may have shot the cop, but St Louis PD had a recent case where a gun was planted, still fresh in everybody’s mind.

Not on mine. Link?

But even if it were true, the convergence of evidence still doesn’t go anywhere.

1. The videos show:
a) Martin raising his hand towards the cop (compatible with the gun, needs stretching to fit with anything else);
b) the policeman reacting in panic, shooting and running away.

2. The gun was found in that same exact place, and, twitter CTs notwithstanding, there is no evidence that it was planted.

3. Martin faced gun- and aggression-related charges:

three assaults, an armed robbery, unlawful use of a weapon, armed criminal action and stealing.

So there are these three facts together, and no contrary evidence.

147 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 8:34:12am

re: #145 Timothy Watson

Technically, it was Congress who named the airport after him.

Facts are the death of cheap quips.

148 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:34:49am

re: #144 gwangung

But this is police from departments that are known to lie and tamper with evidence.

Unless you can show that this is likely in this case, it’s neither here nor there even if it were true.

149 Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2014 8:35:44am

re: #137 #FergusonFireside

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What an unprofessional fucking department.

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2014 8:35:52am
151 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:39:10am

The US lies (Iraq), tampers with evidence (torture, etc.) and does a lot of other bad stuff. Plus Operation Northwoods. Does it make more likely that 9/11 was an inside job? Nuh-uh.

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2014 8:40:07am

re: #137 #FergusonFireside

So much for NYPD’s request that the families be shown respect and there be no protests until after the funerals…

153 gwangung  Dec 27, 2014 8:40:43am

re: #146 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

a) Martin raising his hand towards the cop (compatible with the gun, needs stretching to fit with anything else);

Wrong. Cell phone. Record interaction with police.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2014 8:41:21am

at the funeral…good freaking grief:

155 gwangung  Dec 27, 2014 8:41:45am

re: #148 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Unless you can show that this is likely in this case, it’s neither here nor there even if it were true.

Sorry, but that’s wrong headed. You’re ruling out an alternative hypothesis without any real evidence of your own.

156 Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2014 8:42:08am

Life just keeps getting weirder.

157 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:43:45am

re: #153 gwangung

Wrong. Cell phone. Record interaction with police.

See, you need to stretch facts to fit with this CT. A sudden forward hand movement and the cop’s reaction are more compatible with a gun.
In order for it to be a cell phone he must have already been holding it in his hand, in fact it would take a few seconds to turn the camera on (so the cop would have seen it and wouldn’t have reacted in this way).

159 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:45:31am

re: #155 gwangung

Sorry, but that’s wrong headed. You’re ruling out an alternative hypothesis without any real evidence of your own.

There are no credible alternative evidence-based hypotheses. Only pure CTs.

They would stop being CTs if there was any evidence for them. Mere assertion of possibility does not establish probability.

160 #FergusonFireside  Dec 27, 2014 8:46:24am

re: #158 BigPapa

Man films local officers’ attempt to intimidate him under false pretences

Internal affairs is investigating. Yeah.

161 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 8:48:51am

re: #157 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

See, you need to stretch facts to fit with this CT. A sudden forward hand movement and the cop’s reaction are more compatible with a gun.
In order for it to be a cell phone he must have already been holding it in his hand, in fact it would take a few seconds to turn the camera on (so the cop would have seen it and wouldn’t have reacted in this way).

Not much of a stretch. Martin had a cell phone. It is entirely plausible that he turned on video and aimed it at the officer. Watching the incident unfold, that seems very plausible.

It’s also very possible he pulled out a handgun and aimed it at the cop. Doesn’t make sense, but hey, it’s possible. It’s also possible he didn’t, and a gun was planted.

162 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 8:51:30am

re: #161 BigPapa

Not much of a stretch. Martin had a cell phone. It is entirely plausible that he turned on video and aimed it at the officer. Watching the incident unfold, that seems very plausible.

In order for it to be a cell phone he must have already been holding it in his hand, in fact it would take a few seconds to turn the camera on (so the cop would have seen it and wouldn’t have reacted in this way).

It’s also very possible he pulled out a handgun and aimed it at the cop. Doesn’t make sense, but hey, it’s possible. It’s also possible he didn’t, and a gun was planted.

It is also possible that none of this happened and we’re being manipulated by the World Government. See, pure possibilities are endless. That’s why facts are established based on evidence-based probabilities, not on mere possibilities.

163 jaunte  Dec 27, 2014 8:55:33am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

“On November 5, 2013, de Blasio won the mayoral election by a landslide over his opponent, Republican Joe Lhota, receiving over 73% of the vote.”
en.wikipedia.org

164 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 27, 2014 8:56:34am

re: #162 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

If he has an iPhone, you can get your camera on in less than a second.

But if the officer had the dash cam and or body cam on, we wouldn’t need to have a discussion about this either.

165 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 9:01:16am

re: #164 nearly-headless smith25

If he has an iPhone, you can get your camera on in less than a second.

But if the officer had the dash cam and or body cam on, we wouldn’t need to have a discussion about this either.

and that is the wonder of it all…let the discussion peter out into endless speculation over unknowns.

166 jaunte  Dec 27, 2014 9:01:18am
167 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 9:05:17am

re: #162 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In order for it to be a cell phone he must have already been holding it in his hand, in fact it would take a few seconds to turn the camera on (so the cop would have seen it and wouldn’t have reacted in this way).

It is also possible that none of this happened and we’re being manipulated by the World Government. See, pure possibilities are endless. That’s why facts are established based on evidence-based probabilities, not on mere possibilities.

After watching a lot of video, it’s pretty conclusive Martin had a cell phone or iPhone in his hand before the incident. There’s also clearer video of him with earbuds in his hears.

Depending on how you set up your apps, you can start a camera pretty fast. It’s also an assumption that the cop was watching Martin the entire time and would have seen the cell/iPhone brought out and started: there were other subjects there he might have been watching.

The possibilities here are not endless and based on nothing: they are based on what little evidence we have. You believe ‘the’ gun was found and that’s it.

I’m more skeptical, so we shall see.

As before, certain pieces of information are released, but not all. Only certain segments of video purported to show proof are released, not the entire video. And the released video isn’t very conclusive.

168 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 27, 2014 9:06:43am

re: #167 BigPapa

As before, certain pieces of information are released, but not all. Only certain segments of video purported to show proof are released, not the entire video. And the released video isn’t very conclusive.

Because a squall of endless speculation only helps the defense in the long run. They do not want anything conclusive.

169 Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 27, 2014 9:06:57am

@ChuckCJohnson How do you know you have the #SonyHack leaker? Who vetted them? And gotnews.com can’t pay a few bills for a cam? Link

170 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 9:10:06am

re: #164 nearly-headless smith25

If he has an iPhone, you can get your camera on in less than a second.

Which is still enough time to recognize that it’s not a gun, while you’re taking it out of the pocket and turning the camera on.

Here is the video:

Second Angle - Berkeley Officer-Involved shooting

The time between he raises his hand and is shot is a couple of seconds (he did catch the cop unaware), but it is enough to recognize whether it’s an phone or a gun. Moreover, he seems to have some light which is directed down at the road, not at the cop, which could his phone in his other hand.

171 BigPapa  Dec 27, 2014 9:10:36am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because a squall of endless speculation only helps the defense in the long run. They do not want anything conclusive.

Then why even release anything? What video was released didn’t prove anything, if even supported a defense.

Pretty amateurish.

If the World Government is attempting to control us, and this is the World Government flexing their will upon us meek citizens, they’re not doing a very good job of it.

172 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 27, 2014 9:10:45am

re: #166 jaunte

Since the police are turning their backs on civilian authority, I have zero interest in watching the funeral procession. My sympathy for the familiy and friends is profound.

But as long as the police reject civilian authority like that someone else can watch the funeral.

173 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 9:11:25am

re: #169 Eric The Fruit Bat

Follow request sent. Anyone with a 1 tweet history is worth following, in my opinion.

174 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 9:12:36am

re: #167 BigPapa

The possibilities here are not endless and based on nothing: they are based on what little evidence we have. You believe ‘the’ gun was found and that’s it.

Not true. The conclusion is based on the convergence of evidence, of which the found gun is one piece. There is no evidence whatsoever for any alternative hypothesis. When and if there is such evidence, I’ll revise my conclusion.

175 #FergusonFireside  Dec 27, 2014 9:12:59am

re: #169 Eric The Fruit Bat

re: #173 darthstar

Follow request sent. Anyone with a 1 tweet history is worth following, in my opinion.

Me too. I’m the uterus.

176 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 9:15:05am

re: #170 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I don’t care about angles. I don’t want to see replays of killings, justified or otherwise. I don’t have a problem with people posting them, but I can’t and won’t watch them. I’ll let forensic experts analyze the video and rationalize the actions on it. Everything is filmed these days, it seems. And it’s only a matter of time before Buzzfeed does their 22 viral killing videos you have to see if you haven’t series.

177 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 9:16:40am

re: #175 #FergusonFireside

Me too. I’m the uterus.

Goo goo ga joob.

(for lack of a better snarky reply)

178 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 9:17:11am

re: #176 darthstar

I’ll be surprised if there isn’t such a list already, but I don’t wanna google for it.

I guess we’ll see more of it in the future, esp. after all cops will begin to wear their cameras.

179 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 9:18:53am

So the NY cops turn a eulogy about a fallen brother into a political statement about themselves. Honestly, if you’re looking for a way to convince people that you’re just a bunch of heartless thugs with an inferiority complex, you’re doing a hell of a job.

180 Eventual Carrion  Dec 27, 2014 9:19:13am

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

So much for NYPD’s request that the families be shown respect and there be no protests until after the funerals…

That request was only for the “little people”.

181 darthstar  Dec 27, 2014 9:20:41am

re: #179 darthstar

So the NY cops turn a eulogy about a fallen brother into a political statement about themselves. Honestly, if you’re looking for a way to convince people that you’re just a bunch of heartless thugs with an inferiority complex, you’re doing a hell of a job.

Tweetable

182 jaunte  Dec 27, 2014 9:20:50am
183 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:20:58am

How is it now?

184 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:27:32am
185 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 27, 2014 9:30:31am

re: #179 darthstar

The police tend to forget they volunteered, they signed up, trained, graduated, now they take the calls to go to the bad guys or (far more often) go investigate in the aftermath.

That is not as dangerous as walking in on a robbery, getting robbed, shot, raped or beat down by some crew of violent felons. They get the gun I’m not allowed out and about. They have backup, I don’t. They have SWAT and helicopters and now a few drones. I am not allowed any of that. Their pepper spray/mace product is ten times stronger than what I’m allowed. I can call them, maybe if i’m able. Then I wait. Hanging by a circumstantial thread.

I have deep sympathy for anyone who is attacked, especially fatalities. Those diminished families break a heart. First responders do earn a special respect. Police, Firefighters, rescue squads for mountains and of course the snow…

For those burned out or just angry cops who think they are so special as to be allowed to abuse the rest of us or ignore oversight all I have to say is a hearty Fuck You.

186 Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2014 9:30:53am

re: #184 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

Well they do want money to go to the poor. They just want veto power over who that money goes to and they want to decide how its spent. And if the money was funneled to the poor through churches and religious organizations, thus allowing them even more power to discriminate, even better.

187 dholmes32  Dec 27, 2014 9:42:33am

Kind of off the subject but I thought I’d share this Christmas gift.

My late father’s Montblanc pens

My mom gave this to me for Christmas. I recognized them immediately and began crying.

There’s a funny story about these pens. My dad was a poor Oklahoma farmboy who did good in the post-WWII economy. But he had no idea how much some things cost. When his boss gave him those pens, my dad threw them in a drawer or something, just thought it was “a gift, meh.” A few months later, his boss asked him about the pens. It was at that point my dad did some checking and realized he’d been given a very nice gift. And then he had to find where he’d put the pens and make sure they were in evidence at work.

188 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:44:26am

re: #162 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In order for it to be a cell phone he must have already been holding it in his hand, in fact it would take a few seconds to turn the camera on (so the cop would have seen it and wouldn’t have reacted in this way).

It is also possible that none of this happened and we’re being manipulated by the World Government. See, pure possibilities are endless. That’s why facts are established based on evidence-based probabilities, not on mere possibilities.

Yes, except you missed one point. There is no Big Brother. There is, however, Big Mama. She has taken up residence at the UN and is hell bent on bitch-slapping those who cannot seem to grow-up. Many view her tactics as tyrannical, but in reality they simply resent being treated like the children they are.

Big Mama don’t take no shit. If you can’t play nice, she will take away your toys. (guns)

She is tired of of the kids killing each other, hurting each other and making life nearly impossible for many of us. She wants her children fed, clothed and educated. She wants them to grow up in a clean and balanced environment and sleep soundly in safe beds each night.

When they are of the age of majority, She doesn’t give a damn who they sleep with, as long as it is consensual and precautions are taken to prevent pregnancy and disease.

She doesn’t give a damn who they worship, as long as that worship doesn’t go against her rules. Anyone telling you that god wants you to do harm to another needs to be reported to Big Mama, or there will be hell to pay. Anyone imposing their belief system on you also needs to be reported.

Mama does have access to the big guns and the big money. She’d like to melt down the guns, but knows that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. She’d like to spend the money on education and trips to Disney World for everyone, but that also doesn’t seem to be going to happen anytime soon.

No, she doesn’t want you tied to your apron strings. She would just like to be able to trust that once those strings are cut, you aren’t going to try to set-up your own feudal kingdom, enslave others or cause harm to others for your own petty need to feel powerful or important.

. . I could go on and on and on, but you get the drift.

Sometimes I think the RWWhackos are a bunch of grown children, still resentful because their Mom wouldn’t let them have another bowl of ice cream.

189 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:45:39am

re: #187 dholmes32

Kind of off the subject but I thought I’d share this Christmas gift.

[Embedded content]

My mom gave this to me for Christmas. I recognized them immediately and began crying.

There’s a funny story about these pens. My dad was a poor Oklahoma farmboy who did good in the post-WWII economy. But he had no idea how much some things cost. When his boss gave him those pens, my dad threw them in a drawer or something, just thought it was “a gift, meh.” A few months later, his boss asked him about the pens. It was at that point my dad did some checking and realized he’d been given a very nice gift. And then he had to find where he’d put the pens and make sure they were in evidence at work.

I used to sell Mont Blanc and other such pens. It was what we gave as gifts to the men in our wedding party.

190 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:47:00am

re: #185 Rightwingconspirator

The police tend to forget they volunteered, they signed up, trained, graduated, now they take the calls to go to the bad guys or (far more often) go investigate in the aftermath.

That is not as dangerous as walking in on a robbery, getting robbed, shot, raped or beat down by some crew of violent felons. They get the gun I’m not allowed out and about. They have backup, I don’t. They have SWAT and helicopters and now a few drones. I am not allowed any of that. Their pepper spray/mace product is ten times stronger than what I’m allowed. I can call them, maybe if i’m able. Then I wait. Hanging by a circumstantial thread.

I have deep sympathy for anyone who is attacked, especially fatalities. Those diminished families break a heart. First responders do earn a special respect. Police, Firefighters, rescue squads for mountains and of course the snow…

For those burned out or just angry cops who think they are so special as to be allowed to abuse the rest of us or ignore oversight all I have to say is a hearty Fuck You.

I wish there were a foolproof (or better) way of screening the sociopaths that apply for the Police Academy.

191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 9:47:48am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

futurama.wikia.com

192 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:48:19am

re: #172 Rightwingconspirator

Since the police are turning their backs on civilian authority, I have zero interest in watching the funeral procession. My sympathy for the familiy and friends is profound.

But as long as the police reject civilian authority like that someone else can watch the funeral.

What was that scene from BattleStar Gallactica —about not wanting the police to be militarized? Something about the enemy … .Captain Adama was explaining .. .

193 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:49:58am

re: #191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

futurama.wikia.com

too funny!

194 Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2014 9:51:13am

re: #192 FemNaziBitch

What was that scene from BattleStar Gallactica —about not wanting the police to be militarized? Something about the enemy … .Captain Adama was explaining .. .

“There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”

195 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 9:53:09am

re: #184 FemNaziBitch

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Indeed. They want laws against abortion and for creationism in schools because that’s in the Bible (not really, but…), but if you suggest implementing those other biblical principles, oooh, you’re an evil atheistic commie.

196 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:54:49am

re: #194 Targetpractice

“There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”

So true.

and sadly, 84 characters over for a tweet.

197 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 9:55:24am

re: #195 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Indeed. They want laws against abortion and for creationism in schools because that’s in the Bible (not really, but…), but if you suggest implementing those other biblical principles, oooh, you’re an evil atheistic commie.

and Athiest is used like a swear word.

198 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 9:56:17am

OK, wingnuts argue: the Bible never says that the state should implement charity, it’s a personal thing. OK. But so are abortions, sexual relations between consenting adults and so on.

199 dholmes32  Dec 27, 2014 9:56:50am

re: #98 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Hovind Jr. didn’t fall far from Hovind Sr.

Hovind Jr. has managed to keep himself out of the clutches of the US government. Unlike his father, who was recently indicted on mail fraud charges. Kent Hovind was supposed to get out of federal prison in August 2015, but is currently facing federal mail fraud charges. He’s going on trial the first week in February 2015.

200 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 9:59:35am

re: #199 dholmes32

Hovind Sr. believes in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. ‘Nuff said.

201 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 10:01:37am

re: #198 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

OK, wingnuts argue: the Bible never says that the state should implement charity, it’s a personal thing. OK. But so are abortions, sexual relations between consenting adults and so on.

Well, ask the wingnuts about Rome and free bread.

Then remind them that in the old world, Judiasm did not separate Church and State. So, if the Church gave alms, it was also the State doing so.

Now, it’s a matter of economics and discrimination. The State is in the best position to administer entitlements and has the best record on not discriminating.

Which, is of course, what that RWNJ’s want—the right to impose their morality on alms giving. As I said yesterday:

Morality as nothing to do with the law.

202 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 10:03:37am

bbl

203 dholmes32  Dec 27, 2014 10:08:11am

re: #200 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Hovind Sr. believes in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. ‘Nuff said.

Hovind Sr. is a full-on sovereign citizen and has been since the 1990s, when he tried to renounce his US citizenship. I have no idea how this man still has a following.

204 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:10:40am

Bomani Jones posted this:

I don’t know if it’s peer pressure or true solidarity.

But, to repeat, it’s cultic and creepy as hell. So if something (IPU forbid) happens to the Mayor or his family, he should expect no help from the police? Because that seems to be a part of the message. Not to mention that public servants are not supposed to behave like this. I’d say all the turnbacks should be fired.

POD people

205 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:11:25am

re: #203 dholmes32

Hovind Sr. is a full-on sovereign citizen and has been since the 1990s, when he tried to renounce his US citizenship. I have no idea how this man still has a following.

Not despite, because.

206 dholmes32  Dec 27, 2014 10:11:47am

The children of former governor (and convicted felon) Bob McDonnell proceed to throw their mother Maureen under the bus in a bid for leniency.

washingtonpost.com

McDonnell is being sentenced on January 6. I hope he gets a just sentence, unswayed by this kind of nonsense.

207 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:15:25am

Wonder why Russia is repeating history?

For Russia, 2014 was marked by several dates that nobody wants to remember. December saw 20 years since the first war in Chechnya. In August, 15 years had passed since the start of the Second Chechen War. And finally, September marked 10 years since the Beslan hostage crisis.

State-owned media outlets did not report on any of these stories. On the anniversary of the Beslan school siege in which insurgents held more than 1,200 hostages and that ended in the deaths of 385 people, including 186 children, only a crowd of mostly local residents turned out for the commemoration.

Despite the scale of the suffering, state-controlled television maintained complete silence on the subject. Can you imagine a media blackout on a major anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, with only close relatives of the victims gathering for memorial services?

themoscowtimes.com

208 Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2014 10:19:33am

re: #196 FemNaziBitch

So true.

and sadly, 84 characters over for a tweet.

Then just use this:

Commander Adama on police state

209 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:23:20am
210 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:24:51am

You’re f’n kidding me.

211 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:25:18am

Thought it was satire at first.

212 Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2014 10:25:52am

re: #210 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

You’re f’n kidding me.

[Embedded content]

That’s the current argument, that by not kissing the NYPD’s ass, De Blasio promoted “police hatred.”

213 Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2014 10:26:42am

re: #206 dholmes32

The children of former governor (and convicted felon) Bob McDonnell proceed to throw their mother Maureen under the bus in a bid for leniency.

washingtonpost.com

McDonnell is being sentenced on January 6. I hope he gets a just sentence, unswayed by this kind of nonsense.

God, I didn’t think that trial could possibly get worse, but now I think I need to take a shower after reading that.

214 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:28:10am

re: #212 Targetpractice

Good that at least some politicians don’t buckle under pressure (I hope DeBlasio doesn’t in the end).

215 Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2014 10:28:51am

re: #213 Timothy Watson

God, I didn’t think that trial could possibly get worse, but now I think I need to take a shower after reading that.

It’s not surprising. McDonnell was a prominent Republican, seen as VP or even Presidential material. So having jail time on his record will delay, if not derail entirely, his future political ambitions.

216 Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2014 10:34:26am

re: #215 Targetpractice

It’s not surprising. McDonnell was a prominent Republican, seen as VP or even Presidential material. So having jail time on his record will delay, if not derail entirely, his future political ambitions.

Oh, he’s toast.

It’s just disgusting that he and his family continue to throw Maureen under the bus.

217 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:35:46am
This is profoundly personal for me. I was at the White House the other day, and the president of the United States turned to me, and he met Dante a few months ago, and he said that Dante reminded him of what he looked like as a teenager. And he said, I know you see this crisis through a very personal lens. I said to him I did. Because Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years, about the dangers he may face. A good young man, a law-abiding young man, who would never think to do anything wrong, and yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face—we’ve had to literally train him, as families have all over this city for decades, in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.

ONOZ, he’s been slightly un-PC towards cops. He’s a witch!

218 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:36:18am

“special care” = “De Blasio murdered two cops”

219 Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2014 10:44:43am

Commodities……..

Following Glenn Beck to the Gates of Hell…..

/// (Not really…)

220 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 10:46:26am

Remember the dumb cop who arrested Prof. Gates and Obama had to coddle him because earlier he had rightly called his actions stupid?

221 jaunte  Dec 27, 2014 11:03:00am

re: #210 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

He told his biracial son to be careful around cops

Clear incitement.
//////////

222 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 27, 2014 11:05:57am

Bild says it learned that German experts are not excluding a putsch against Putin in 2015:

In der Nato wird ein Sturz Putins im nächsten Jahr nicht mehr ausgeschlossen! Hochrangige Experten spielen bereits Szenarien für die Nach-Putin-Ära durch.
Die Überlegung der westlichen Strategen: Die mächtigen Oligarchen werden Putin wegen der Sanktionen und Gewinneinbußen bis Ende 2015 so stark unter Druck setzen, dass er gehen muss und ein “Neustart zur Rettung Russlands” nötig wird.

Though Bild is yellow press, it’s interesting that such items are already appearing.

223 jaunte  Dec 27, 2014 11:06:08am
224 Romantic Heretic  Dec 27, 2014 11:13:32am

re: #109 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Sorry to come back from a self-imposed posting hiatus because I have been sick as all hell.

Hope everyone has/had a great holiday season.

I posted about this before the fever brain took over the other day, but have any of the gamers on here played War Thunder?

It’s a WWII simulator that also might be of interest to the airplanes and tanks of the period.

i’ve played a bit after I downloaded (it’s one of those Free to Pay style games, but doesn’t *yet* seem to be egregious with the micropayment traps - I haven’t spent anything on it yet). It’s pretty fun, but I haven’t played games in a while.

Been watching videos of gameplay on YouTube.

Makes me wish I had a Windows machine.

225 ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2014 11:57:49am

re: #212 Targetpractice

That’s the current argument, that by not kissing the NYPD’s ass, De Blasio promoted “police hatred.”

If you ask me (and nobody does!) that argument is just a tool to excuse the police acts and the real hatred for people of color.

De Blasio is just a crucible to channel the hate for the real target…black people that are causing all these problems for the police. If ‘they’ just didn’t act up all the time, then the police wouldn’t be getting so frustrated and going to far. ‘They’ bring it all on themselves and De Blasio is excusing it and blaming the police.

De Blasio might just as well be a Black man. Right now he is a stand in. The police are turning their backs on people of color and those that are in support. They are turning their backs on all of us.

226 ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2014 11:59:22am

re: #215 Targetpractice

It’s not surprising. McDonnell was a prominent Republican, seen as VP or even Presidential material. So having jail time on his record will delay, if not derail entirely, his future political ambitions.

I do not think he has any future political ambitions. Ever. Again. Jail or not.

227 FemNaziBitch  Dec 27, 2014 1:10:34pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

Then just use this:

[Embedded content]

GodDamn! you are awseome!!!

228 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 27, 2014 3:19:50pm

re: #224 Romantic Heretic

Been watching videos of gameplay on YouTube.

Makes me wish I had a Windows machine.

Late to this, but I have a Mac. It’s online. :)


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