Hilarious Short: El Terror - Wrath of a 4-Year Old

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A funny New Year’s Day short from a Canadian artist/animator who goes by “Franco.”

In the wild Sonoran desert, the greatest criminal of the Far-West suffers the wrath of a four years old child after stealing her ice cream cone.

I animated this with Toonboom Harmony, and did my backgrounds in photoshop. I used After Effects for compositing, and Adobe Audition for sound.
Huge Thank you to Léa Sanacore for the amazing music (leasanacore.com ),
Lou Victor and Vanessa Bouchard for the voice acting ( louvictork.tumblr.com).

My Website: franco-e.com
Contact e-mail : francoegalite@gmail.com

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1 BigPapa  Jan 1, 2015 5:19:42pm
2 A Cranky One  Jan 1, 2015 5:21:20pm

I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream.

3 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 5:25:04pm

Well, she’s obviously some sort of an alien or elemental - who else would be in a form of a 4.y.o girl alone in the desert.

4 Charles Johnson  Jan 1, 2015 5:29:25pm

re: #3 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Well, she’s obviously some sort of an alien or elemental - who else would be in a form of a 4.y.o girl alone in the desert.

IT’S A TRAP

5 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 1, 2015 5:31:27pm

re: #3 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Well, she’s obviously some sort of an alien or elemental - who else would be in a form of a 4.y.o girl alone in the desert.

MiB

RBS

6 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 5:32:41pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

IT’S A TRAP

You mean it’s a he? ///

7 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 5:35:44pm

re: #5 RealityBasedSteve

Seeing how monsters don’t exactly need quantum physics and relativity textbooks either, he’s just killed a young female Einstein.

8 b_sharp  Jan 1, 2015 5:38:11pm

re: #7 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Seeing how monsters don’t exactly need quantum physics and relativity textbooks either, he’s just killed a young female Einstein.

But the monsters aliens didn’t have books on QM and relativity.

9 b_sharp  Jan 1, 2015 5:40:56pm

re: #3 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Well, she’s obviously some sort of an alien or elemental - who else would be in a form of a 4.y.o girl alone in the desert.

She’s an elemental.

Ice cream is an element, right?

Earth, Water, Wind, Fire, Ice cream.

10 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 5:43:05pm

re: #9 b_sharp

She’s an elemental.

Ice cream is an element, right?

Earth, Water, Wind, Fire, Ice cream.

They should add a chapter to QfG2.

11 b_sharp  Jan 1, 2015 5:49:41pm

re: #10 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

They should add a chapter to QfG2.

Quantum for Gravity II?

12 nearly-headless smith25  Jan 1, 2015 5:53:06pm
13 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 1, 2015 6:05:05pm

re: #12 nearly-headless smith25

You can borrow my silver fire suit if you like…

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 6:07:30pm

ice ring around the moon tonight.
this does not bode well, given the NWS forecast for the next 24 hours.

15 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 1, 2015 6:07:49pm

re: #5 RealityBasedSteve

Jay! He’s a Ballchinian!

16 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 1, 2015 6:08:55pm

re: #12 nearly-headless smith25

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I wouldn’t go near one of those with a 7 foot pole. (‘Stretch’ Kolowski, a guy I went to college with, to be precise)

RBS

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 1, 2015 6:16:01pm
𠇏or someone who believes in personal responsibility, you spend a lot of time blaming government.”
18 Ace-o-aces  Jan 1, 2015 6:22:08pm

donotlink.com

The Ginger Avenger going against the racist narrative? Doxxing white people? It’s a world gone mad I tells ya, A WORLD GONE MAD!

19 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2015 6:23:11pm

re: #15 GlutenFreeJesus

Jay! He’s a Ballchinian!

I had to… :P
20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 6:26:00pm

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

Fits his “I’m just here to be an asshole” narrative.

21 Charles Johnson  Jan 1, 2015 6:26:16pm

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

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donotlink.com

The Ginger Avenger going against the racist narrative? Doxxing white people? It’s a world gone mad I tells ya, A WORLD GONE MAD!

IT’S A TRAP

22 Charles Johnson  Jan 1, 2015 6:27:02pm

Chuck tries to show the world he really does have a sense of humor.

23 SteelPH  Jan 1, 2015 6:29:10pm

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

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donotlink.com

The Ginger Avenger going against the racist narrative? Doxxing white people? It’s a world gone mad I tells ya, A WORLD GONE MAD!

24 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 6:30:26pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Chuck tries to show the world he really does have a sense of humor.

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And not passive-aggressive at all with his oh so obvious shitting on Kwanzaa.

25 goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2015 6:31:30pm

She argued with Chuck yesterday about his too. She’s really offended by the idea that anybody but a black person killed Jessica Chambers. It’s fucked up.

26 A Cranky One  Jan 1, 2015 6:32:35pm
27 goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2015 6:41:42pm

When you bang your toe real hard against some furniture, then forget about it for a day or two and then wonder why it hurts and look down and OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO?

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 6:42:29pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

When you bang your toe real hard against some furniture, then forget about it for a day or two and then wonder why it hurts and look down and OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO?

Yeppers, know exactly what you’re seeing right now.

29 b_sharp  Jan 1, 2015 6:42:35pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

When you bang your toe real hard against some furniture, then forget about it for a day or two and then wonder why it hurts and look down and OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO?

Kind of like sticking a pickle fork in your eye.

30 3eff Jeff  Jan 1, 2015 6:43:04pm

re: #12 nearly-headless smith25

Do it! I did that earlier this fall. It was a mighty tasty pot of chili.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 6:43:53pm

re: #29 b_sharp

Kind of like sticking a pickle fork in your eye.

with pickle juice still on the fork for that added experience.

32 A Cranky One  Jan 1, 2015 6:45:47pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

with pickle juice still on the fork for that added experience.

I hate it when that happens…

33 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 6:46:19pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Just start saying good bye to that toenail.

Just let it go with dignity.

34 Charles Johnson  Jan 1, 2015 6:47:17pm
35 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 6:49:33pm

ouchhhh

36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 6:50:37pm

look at this guy

twitter.com

37 Charles Johnson  Jan 1, 2015 6:51:27pm

re: #36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

He seems very patriotic.

38 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 6:52:12pm

re: #36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Don’t let him sneak up on you.

39 Eventual Carrion  Jan 1, 2015 6:53:56pm

re: #36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

look at this guy

twitter.com

What a piece of something.

40 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 6:54:05pm

re: #38 jaunte

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Don’t let him sneak up on you.

41 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 6:54:53pm

re: #40 Gus

Those were his? I wondered where all the derp was coming from.

42 goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2015 6:58:20pm

I’ve been reading this book on the dialect of the Thuggee cult published in 1836. This shit is fascinating.

43 BigPapa  Jan 1, 2015 6:58:46pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

He seems very patriotic.

Also extra Christian, the loving take care of your neighbor kind.

44 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:00:17pm

re: #36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

look at this guy

twitter.com

I think that is a parody account.

45 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 1, 2015 7:00:22pm

re: #40 Gus

1. Assholes
2. Assholes
3. Idiots and Assholes
4. Gravitational Singularities of Assholitude
5. Assholes

So much of “Conservative” thought boils down to “F you!”. The Commies were on to something when they used the label “Reactionaries”.

46 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:00:30pm

Poe’s Law applies.

47 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:02:07pm

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

Doesn’t look like it…

48 BigPapa  Jan 1, 2015 7:02:43pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

I think that is a parody account.

Um… I don’t know. May, may not.

49 Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2015 7:03:06pm

re: #47 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Doesn’t look like it…

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Oh look, an internet tough guy. Such a rare sight.////

50 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:03:21pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

I think that is a parody account.

Running on the Daily Currant model?

51 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 7:03:25pm

re: #38 jaunte

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Don’t let him sneak up on you.

He still doesn’t know that we also have guns.
And we actually know how to use them.

52 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:03:39pm

There used to be an account TonyTCOT that posted racist shit and porn. It was banned. BigBobbyTCOT may be the replacement.

53 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:05:22pm

Mimicry is easier than satire.

54 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:09:34pm

If this is actually true, it’s great news.

55 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 1, 2015 7:11:14pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

It’s the staw that broke the camel’s back.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 7:11:19pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

If this is actually true, it’s great news.

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LAST STAW!!!11!!

hahahaaa…

57 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:12:34pm

Suddenly everyone’s offended at Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about Isaac Newton.

58 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 7:12:49pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

If this is actually true, it’s great news.

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They’re rehashing that from last year.

snopes.com

59 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:13:09pm

OBAMA IS SENDING TEH KOCH BROTHERS & TEH WALTONS TO THE POOR HOUSE!!!!1!!!!! PATRIOTS MUST INPEECH!!!1!!!

60 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:13:32pm

There is no more staw.

61 goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2015 7:13:42pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

One thing that stands out is how deeply superstitious and religious the Thuggee were. They had dozens of different augurs they’d take for good or bad omens, and rituals meant to address or mitigate the bad ones. In the interviews the captured prisoners all attribute the British success against them to the more recent breaking of longstanding rules and taboos that had protected their clans for centuries. They all honestly believed that strict observance of these rules had protected them, and that normal people (non-thugs) who committed murder were always caught.

The other thing that stands out is the complete and total lack of empathy for their victims.

62 Amory Blaine  Jan 1, 2015 7:13:58pm

Damn it I’m going to punch Obamacare right in the teeth!!!!
/

63 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:14:06pm
64 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:16:33pm
65 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 7:18:14pm

re: #57 jaunte

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Suddenly everyone’s offended at Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about Isaac Newton.

Sheesh, what’d he say?

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2015 7:18:53pm

re: #57 jaunte

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Suddenly everyone’s offended at Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about Isaac Newton.

Isaac Newton and the apple…

We all know who else is associated with an apple….

67 Bubblehead II  Jan 1, 2015 7:19:58pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

Isaac Newton and the apple…

We all know who else is associated with an apple….

Johnny Appleseed?

68 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:20:06pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

I think this was the one two punch.

69 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:21:09pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

Isaac Newton and the apple…

We all know who else is associated with an apple….

Steve Jobs?
Paul McCartney?
Gwyneth Paltrow?

70 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 7:21:30pm

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

donotlink.com

The Ginger Avenger going against the racist narrative? Doxxing white people? It’s a world gone mad I tells ya, A WORLD GONE MAD!

Maybe. CCJ still manages to imply it was the victim’s fault for getting killed, alleging that her dad was a meth dealer and she herself might have been involved in the drug trade. And that she might have been doing drugs herself.

All his sources are unnamed, BTW.

71 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:21:36pm

A Shopping Holiday! How dare he!

72 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:22:01pm

re: #68 jaunte

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I think this was the one two punch.

That offended them? And you know what, the reason why he and others take more jabs at Christians than Muslims, it’s because it’s not Islamic ignorance on science issues that is derailing progress in this country.

73 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 7:22:11pm

re: #68 jaunte

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I think this was the one two punch.

LOL—okay, he’s trolling the religious wingnuts. Thanks.

74 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:23:19pm
75 unproven innocence  Jan 1, 2015 7:23:21pm

re: #36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I see multiple terms of service violations by that guy.

Unless Twitter doesn’t give a shit about someone using their medium to advocate and celebrate lynching.

76 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2015 7:24:45pm

Back to work tomorrow. :(

77 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 7:25:11pm

re: #73 CuriousLurker

LOL—okay, he’s trolling the religious wingnuts. Thanks.

This was the latest outrageous outrage.

This is funny because conservatives are always complaining about the space program having gone nowhere yet when Tyson suggests it’s going nowhere (more or less) they jump him on it. It’s just Tyson derangement. People are hate reading his Tweets now. Seems like a thing for some people beyond just Tyson.

78 Ace-o-aces  Jan 1, 2015 7:26:34pm

re: #70 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

All his sources are unnamed, BTW.

Of course they are. When was the last time he named a source?

79 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:28:42pm

re: #77 Gus

As if Twitchy is in favor of a bigger NASA budget.

80 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:29:42pm

By the way for all the wingers who complain about liberals never criticizing Islam. The left was criticizing the Taliban back when right wingers like Dana Rohrabacher was praising them.

81 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 7:30:09pm

re: #77 Gus

This was the latest outrageous outrage.

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This is funny because conservatives are always complaining about the space program having gone nowhere yet when Tyson suggests it’s going nowhere (more or less) they jump him on it. It’s just Tyson derangement. People are hate reading his Tweets now. Seems like a thing for some people beyond just Tyson.

What’s not to hate? He’s a liberal, Black, native New Yorker atheist. I think the only way they’d hate him more is if he was Muslim.

82 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:32:31pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

What’s not to hate? He’s a liberal, Black, native New Yorker atheist. I think the only way they’d hate him more is if he was Muslim.

and a scientist.

83 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 7:32:36pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

What’s not to hate? He’s a liberal, Black, native New Yorker atheist. I think the only way they’d hate him more is if he was Muslim.

And like I said last night. If Tyson was like Dawkin always ranting about Muslims — like a lot of Famous Atheists™ — they’d love him. Or at least they’d ignore him.

84 Charles Johnson  Jan 1, 2015 7:33:48pm
85 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:34:26pm

There is a very simple explanation of why we joke about Christianity more than about other specific religions. No, it’s not because joking about other religions is bigoted (it’s not). It’s because we’re living in Christian-majority societies, so this religion is, indeed, a bit more relevant to us.

I expect an Iranian freethinker to joke more about Islam and an Israeli freethinker to have fun with Judaism.

86 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 1, 2015 7:35:05pm

re: #63 jaunte
Neil deGrasse Tyson ✔ @neiltyson

Imagine a world in which we are all enlightened by objective truths rather than offended by them.

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That just got reposted up onto my Facebook page.

RBS

87 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 7:35:57pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

By the way for all the wingers who complain about liberals never criticizing Islam. The left was criticizing the Taliban back when right wingers like Dana Rohrabacher was praising them.

Criticizing the Taliban isn’t good enough; they want people to criticize the entire religion of Islam and everyone who calls him or herself Muslim. They’re completely preoccupied with it. I see articles all the time where no matter what the subject is, the comments quickly turn into Muslim bashing (and I’m not talking about the usual stuff, I mean truly disgusting, violent, degrading stuff—that’s why I mostly avoid comments now).

88 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 7:36:24pm

re: #83 Gus

And like I said last night. If Tyson was like Dawkin always ranting about Muslims — like a lot of Famous AtheistsTM — they’d love him. Or at least they’d ignore him.

Bingo.

89 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:36:26pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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Trent Lott and John Ashcroft I believe had CCC connections as well.

90 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:37:12pm

re: #87 CuriousLurker

Criticizing the Taliban isn’t good enough; they want people to criticize the entire religion of Islam and everyone who call him or herself Muslim. They’re completely preoccupied with it. I see articles all the time where no matter what the subject is, the comments quickly turn into Muslim bashing (and I’m not talking about the usual stuff, I mean truly disgusting, violent, degrading stuff—that’s why I mostly avoid comments now).

Yeah the Islamicphobia out there is pretty disgusting.

91 Dark_Falcon  Jan 1, 2015 7:38:37pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

By the way for all the wingers who complain about liberals never criticizing Islam. The left was criticizing the Taliban back when right wingers like Dana Rohrabacher was praising them.

Still, that criticism wouldn’t have actually translated into decisive action had 9/11 not happened. The Taliban sowed the seeds of a nasty fall when they let bin Laden set up shop.

92 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 7:39:33pm

“Is that 15 years ago? I don’t even remember that,” he said. “I’m not communicating any more with the news media. I’m finished with y’all.”

93 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 7:43:01pm

I follow a lot of religious people on Twitter. I’m learning to be more tolerant. I RT prayers even though I personally don’t believe in prayer. There’s more meaning to someone saying prayers than just my personal beliefs. Etc.

94 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 7:43:40pm

re: #93 Gus

I follow a lot of religious people on Twitter. I’m learning to be more tolerant. I RT prayers even though I personally don’t believe in prayer. There’s more meaning to someone saying prayers than just my personal beliefs. Etc.

By religious I don’t mean fundamentalists.

95 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:43:55pm

Apropos:

Q: Is it true that there is freedom of speech in the Soviet Union, just like in the USA?
A: In principle, yes. In the USA, you can stand in front of the White House in Washington, DC, and yell, “Down with Reagan!”, and you will not be punished. Equally, you can also stand in Red Square in Moscow and yell, “Down with Reagan!”, and you will not be punished.

96 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:44:30pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Still, that criticism wouldn’t have actually translated into decisive action had 9/11 not happened. The Taliban sowed the seeds of a nasty fall when they let bin Laden set up shop.

Well yeah but my point is that liberals were criticizing the Taliban back when right wing hacks like Rohbarcher were praising them. So this bs crap about WHY DOESN’T THE LEFT EVER CRITICIZE ISLAM is just that.

97 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:44:56pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Well yeah but my point is that liberals were criticizing the Taliban back when right wing hacks like Rohbarcher were praising them. So this bs crap about WHY DOESN’T THE LEFT EVER CRITICIZE ISLAM is just that.

I wouldn’t call criticizing Taliban criticizing Islam though.

98 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:46:08pm

re: #97 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I wouldn’t call criticizing Taliban criticizing Islam though.

True true. I guess my point was that I get tried of right wingers acting like liberals just accept Islamic theocracy and only criticize Christian theocracy.

99 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 7:48:05pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Yeah the Islamicphobia out there is pretty disgusting.

Seriously. I mean, hey, if you wanna criticize the Taliban, AQ, the MB, ISIS and all the other terrorist/extremist groups, then I’m right there with you. You want to discuss that maybe some aspects of Islam need to be adjusted to the modern world we live in? Fine, let’s talk. But that’s not what some people want—they want to demonize all Muslims and collectively blame them for every bad action done by any Muslim anywhere in the world.

That’s pure bullshit and I won’t accept it for Muslims any more than I would accept it for atheists, Jews, Christians, blacks, hispanics, white Southerners, etc.

100 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:49:37pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

These people would often profess their deep love for Israel, accuse liberals of being Nazis, etc. - yet they don’t see that they’re repeating history.

101 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 7:50:18pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Seriously. I mean, hey, if you wanna criticize the Taliban, AQ, the MB, ISIS and all the other terrorist/extremist groups, then I’m right there with you. You want to discuss that maybe some aspects of Islam need to be adjusted to the modern world we live in? Fine, let’s talk. But that’s not what some people want—they want to demonize all Muslims and collectively blame them for every bad action done by any Muslim anywhere in the world.

That’s pure bullshit and I won’t accept it for Muslims any more than I would accept it for atheists, Jews, Christians, blacks, hispanics, white Southerners, etc.

Yep. And honestly I get tired of hearing “Where are all the moderate Muslims? Why aren’t they condemning so and so?” It needs to be pointed out that the majority of Al Queda and other terrorist groups’ victims have been fellow Muslims. And of course plenty of American Muslims died on 9/11 too. The whole attacks on the whole religion combined with the ignorance is what’s maddening.

102 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:51:52pm

Why not blame all Christians for the ISIS-like Christian thugs in DNR/LNR? (Well, for one, it’s illogical.)

103 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 7:54:33pm

re: #78 Ace-o-aces

Of course they are. When was the last time he named a source?

None. It would be interesting to see what would happen if a judge demanded he reveal those sources in court. Real journalists have gone to jail for contempt after refusing to reveal confidential sources. I suspect UpChuck would roll on his faster than lightning.

I notice that he was not terribly busy while I was away, so I had only one GotNwes update to do.

BREAKING!! White people commit murder, crime, too!

104 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:55:23pm

Heh, I was wondering how it would end:

At the start of 2014, former Seventh-Day Adventist pastor Ryan Bell made an unusual New Year’s resolution: to live for one year without God — this reflecting his own loss of faith. He kept a blog documenting his journey and had a documentary crew following him.

After a year, Bell tells NPR’s Arun Rath, “I’ve looked at the majority of the arguments that I’ve been able to find for the existence of God, and on the question of God’s existence or not, I have to say I don’t find there to be a convincing case, in my view.

“I don’t think that God exists. I think that makes the most sense of the evidence that I have and my experience. But I don’t think that’s necessarily the most interesting thing about me.”

npr.org

105 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 1, 2015 7:56:47pm

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

None. It would be interesting to see what would happen if a judge demanded he reveal those sources in court. Real journalists have gone to jail for contempt after refusing to reveal confidential sources. I suspect UpChuck would roll on his faster than lightning.

I notice that he was not terribly busy while I was away, so I had only one GotNwes update to do.

BREAKING!! White people commit murder, crime, too!

I think that’s where we may agree to disagree. I really think that upChuck would relish the role of “persecuted martyr to the truf”.

RBS

106 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2015 7:57:18pm

CSIS…Christian State in the South?

107 Dark_Falcon  Jan 1, 2015 7:57:32pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Seriously. I mean, hey, if you wanna criticize the Taliban, AQ, the MB, ISIS and all the other terrorist/extremist groups, then I’m right there with you. You want to discuss that maybe some aspects of Islam need to be adjusted to the modern world we live in? Fine, let’s talk. But that’s not what some people want—they want to demonize all Muslims and collectively blame them for every bad action done by any Muslim anywhere in the world.

That’s pure bullshit and I won’t accept it for Muslims any more than I would accept it for atheists, Jews, Christians, blacks, hispanics, white Southerners, etc.

The problem is that there are few rewards for drawing those kinds of distinctions for most media figures and politicians. And attempts to draw distinctions are often quite vulnerable to being deliberately taken out of context by those seeking to make the drawer look bad.

Last, a frequent problem with trying to explain who the bad guys really are and why those who are not terror minded are different is that such explanations take too long and don’t fit into a nice, neat sound byte/ Sadly, if it requires a longish explanation then most people will never hear it.

108 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 7:57:51pm

re: #104 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Heh, I was wondering how it would end:

npr.org

I had a thought while watching The Hittites documentary last night that replacing hundreds of imaginary entities with one imaginary entity to explain the unexplainable is not much of an improvement, really.

109 Dark_Falcon  Jan 1, 2015 7:59:23pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Not funny, and American wingnuts are nowhere near as bad as ISIS. Also, most of them aren’t theocrats.

110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 7:59:50pm

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I had a thought while watching The Hittites documentary last night that replacing hundreds of imaginary entities with one imaginary entity to explain the unexplainable is not much of an improvement, really.

Indeed. If existence of an infinitely complex (no matter what the apologists say), omnipotent, omniscient spiritual being is a brute fact, well then, the existence of our finitely complex universe can also be a brute fact. Parsimony rules :)

111 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 8:00:03pm

re: #105 RealityBasedSteve

I think that’s where we may agree to disagree. I really think that upChuck would relish the role of “persecuted martyr to the truf”.

RBS

I dunno. He ran from that fight challenge pretty quickly a few days ago. His sources may in fact all be imaginary, or he’s inflating their expertise. An “ATF source” might be Sally, the mail room clerk, for example.

112 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 8:00:06pm
113 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 1, 2015 8:01:07pm

re: #112 jaunte

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My God!!! It’s full of Butt-Hurtz….

RBS

114 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 8:01:55pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Not funny, and American wingnuts are nowhere near as bad as ISIS. Also, most of them aren’t theocrats.

I don’t know, Dark. You have people suggesting invading Muslims countries, killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity. Which is the reverse ISIS motto. I really don’t know what they would do if not for social inhibitions.

115 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 8:02:14pm

re: #112 jaunte

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being excruciating, mind numbing pain, how would you rate your level of butthurt?

116 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 8:02:36pm

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Radiant!

117 3eff Jeff  Jan 1, 2015 8:03:37pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

It doesn’t look that way from where I sit. I think we didn’t see violence at the Bundy Ranch is because at least some of the militia leaders seem to know they don’t have the numbers to do much of anything. From the Vegas police shootings shortly afterward, we know not all of them understand that.

118 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 8:05:13pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Yep. And honestly I get tired of hearing “Where are all the moderate Muslims? Why aren’t they condemning so and so?” It needs to be pointed out that the majority of Al Queda and other terrorist groups’ victims have been fellow Muslims. And of course plenty of American Muslims died on 9/11 too. The whole attacks on the whole religion combined with the ignorance is what’s maddening.

The thing is, moderate Muslims—which are the vast majority—condemn terrorism all the time. I think they learned after 9/11 that just keeping your head down and sticking to your own won’t cut it.

Muslims in the Middle East are starting to do it too, because they’ve realized the extremists will kill anyone who disagrees with their narrow interpretation of Islam, Muslim, Christian, atheist, it doesn’t really matter. As far as they’re concerned if you disagree then you’re not a Real Muslim™.

FWIW, I have a bunch of bookmarks of instances of Muslims denouncing terrorism. I’ll have to sort them out and turn them into a page one day so people can just link to it when someone claims it never happens. Of course, if you’re dealing with a Pambot or Spencerbot type, they’re just going to claim it’s all taqiyyah anyway, so you’ll be wasting your keystrokes.

119 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 8:05:31pm

re: #114 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I don’t know, Dark. You have people suggesting invading Muslims countries, killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity. Which is the reverse ISIS motto. I really don’t know what they would do if not for social inhibitions.

Pamela Geller is from Long Island and not the South BTW. I think we’re delving into whataboutism when we start thinking of how a social group can potentially act. This can apply to most any social group. Seems pointless. ISIS is ISIS and right-wing Americans are right-wing Americans.

120 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:05:34pm

re: #114 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I don’t know, Dark. You have people suggesting invading Muslims countries, killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity. Which is the reverse ISIS motto. I really don’t know what they would do if not for social inhibitions.

The calls for second amendment solutions too during the health care debate. I used to be hesitant on the Christian Taliban charges myself too but wingnut behavior since Obama’s election has really made me re-evaluate that.

121 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:06:47pm

re: #119 Gus

Pamela Geller is from Long Island and not the South BTW. I think we’re delving into whataboutism when we start thinking of how a social group can potentially act. This can apply to most any social group. Seems pointless. ISIS is ISIS and right-wing Americans are right-wing Americans.

That was Coulter who’s from Connecticut so your point about regionalism is valid.

122 Gus  Jan 1, 2015 8:06:58pm

Oh well. Sounds like a UniteBlue meme now.

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 1, 2015 8:07:51pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Not funny, and American wingnuts are nowhere near as bad as ISIS. Also, most of them aren’t theocrats.

When I see the level of support two explicitly theocratic presidential candidates continue to get - Huckabee and Santorum - I’m not so sure about that DF. At least Huckabee doesn’t pretend that what he wants is compatible with the constitution and has called for it to be destroyed amended.

124 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 8:07:55pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Demanding that people denounce acts they’re not personally involved in is an endless game, anyway.

125 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:08:35pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

The thin is, moderate Muslims—which are the vast majority—condemn terrorism all the time. I think they learned after 9/11 that just keeping your head down and sticking to your own won’t cut it.

Muslims in the Middle East are starting to do it too, because they’ve realized the extremists will kill anyone who disagrees with their narrow interpretation of Islam, Muslim, Christian, atheist, it doesn’t really matter. As far as they’re concerned if you disagree then you’re not a Real MuslimTM.

FWIW, I have a bunch of bookmarks of instances of Muslims denouncing terrorism. I’ll have to sort them out and turn them into a page one day so people can just link to it when someone claims it never happens. Of course, if you’re dealing with a Pambot or Spencerbot type, they’re just going to claim it’s all taqiyyah anyway, so you’ll be wasting your keystrokes.

Right, I was going to add that Muslims do condemn acts of violence by Muslims all the time. What’s also annoying are all these self fancied Islamic experts out there who don’t know anything about the actual religion and have never met any Muslims in their life. I’ve told you this before but I consider it a real blessing that I grew up in a culturally diverse area. I had Muslim classmates literally from the start of my schooling.

126 3eff Jeff  Jan 1, 2015 8:08:36pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Moderate Muslims are off the hook as far as I’m concerned on the denouncing terrorism bit. Christian leaders in this country aren’t being called on to do the same for domestic terrorists (who are predominantly RWNJs).

127 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 8:08:39pm

re: #119 Gus

It was Ann Coulter, who is still a mainstream figure.
And thank God ;) it’s only a hypothetical. Because when one has the real thing - see Donbass - it’s no longer “fun”.

128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 8:11:43pm

In Russia it all started from mere rhetoric. (A very similar rhetoric to that of the American right-wing, BTW; with the difference being that it was a conjunction of the anti-liberal left and right, the “red-brown” alliance, if you will). I gotta gather myself and write a series of posts on that.

129 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:12:04pm

Aww man. Mario Cuomo died. He was in politics before I really paid attention but he was an interesting guy. Great champion of liberal values and also could have been in the same Pittsburgh outfield as Roberto Clemente if things had gone better for him in baseball.

130 Dark_Falcon  Jan 1, 2015 8:12:42pm

re: #126 3eff Jeff

Moderate Muslims are off the hook as far as I’m concerned on the denouncing terrorism bit. Christian leaders in this country aren’t being called on to do the same for domestic terrorists (who are predominantly RWNJs).

The thing is that some nut popping off isn’t seen in the same light as a suicide bombing campaign and very few churches call for violence (few mosques do that either). The problem in both cases lies in fanatical subset of mainstream religions. The subset is more visible and organized in Sunni Islam, but its there in some forms of Christianity as well.

BBL

131 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:12:54pm

re: #128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In Russia it all started from mere rhetoric. (A very similar rhetoric to that of the American right-wing, BTW; with the difference being that it was a conjunction of the anti-liberal left and right, the “red-brown” alliance, if you will). I gotta gather myself and write a series of posts on that.

I look forward to reading that. Your country really fascinates me. It truly is the Churchill quote about it and so much more.

132 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 8:13:40pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Maybe in a month or so.

133 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 8:13:51pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Right, I was going to add that Muslims do condemn acts of violence by Muslims all the time. What’s also annoying are all these self fancied Islamic experts out there who don’t know anything about the actual religion and have never met any Muslims in their life. I’ve told you this before but I consider it a real blessing that I grew up in a culturally diverse area. I had Muslim classmates literally from the start of my schooling.

Most of those so-called experts may have a read a book about Islam, or at least a WikiPedia article.

I’ve had scores of Muslim classmates, students, associates and friends. None are extremists or terrorists. Funny thing, that.

134 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:14:16pm

re: #132 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Maybe in a month or so.

Sounds good. I’ll definitely read.

135 Belafon  Jan 1, 2015 8:16:21pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

What’s not to hate? He’s a liberal, Black, native New Yorker atheist. I think the only way they’d hate him more is if he was Muslim.

Actually, he’d probably be more respected if he were a Muslim. Atheists are the most distrusted group in the US. There was even an FPer at Daily Kos that wrote about how atheists couldn’t be trusted.

136 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:16:38pm

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Most of those so-called experts may have a read a book about Islam, or at least a WikiPedia article.

I’ve had scores of Muslim classmates, students, associates and friends. None are extremists or terrorists. Funny thing, that.

You know, here’s a cool personal story about the owner of my favorite kebab place in my hometown. We moved from there about six years ago but we were back in the area since my kid brother had a swim meet out that way and we stopped in for kebabs and the owner remembered my mom and remarked about how her boys (me and my brothers) were all grown up now. I just thought that was really cool. And they make awesome kebabs too.

137 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 8:17:02pm

re: #128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In Russia it all started from mere rhetoric. (A very similar rhetoric to that of the American right-wing, BTW; with the difference being that it was a conjunction of the anti-liberal left and right, the “red-brown” alliance, if you will). I gotta gather myself and write a series of posts on that.

Yep, it always starts with mere rhetoric. I’m almost done with my antisemitism book, and I’ve seen it over & over again. And it’s not just antisemitism, it’s the same dynamic with all forms of what I think of as “Otherism”—it’s dangerous no matter where it happens or who is being targeted: Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Blacks, Hispanics, non-Ethnic Russians, etc.

138 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:18:28pm

re: #137 CuriousLurker

Yep, it always starts with mere rhetoric. I’m almost done with my antisemitism book, and I’ve seen it over & over again. And it’s not just antisemitism, it’s the same dynamic with all forms of what I think of as “Otherism”—it’s dangerous no matter where it happens or who is being targeted: Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Blacks, Hispanics, non-Ethnic Russians, etc.

Right, it always seems the same. I always chuckle when right wingers liken themselves to persecuted victims of the past all the while they engage in the same rhetoric as those that the oppressors used. It’s the scapegoating, the accusations of disloyalty, etc.

139 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 8:18:46pm

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Most of those so-called experts may have a read a book about Islam, or at least a WikiPedia article.

I’ve had scores of Muslim classmates, students, associates and friends. None are extremists or terrorists. Funny thing, that.

You lie, you appeaser, you!

140 Belafon  Jan 1, 2015 8:19:46pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Not funny, and American wingnuts are nowhere near as bad as ISIS. Also, most of them aren’t theocrats.

I’m sorry, how many Republican states passed laws restricting abortion, the woman’s right to get contraceptives and other health care, attempted to pass laws requiring the male to give consent - even in rape - before an abortion?

141 KingKenrod  Jan 1, 2015 8:20:10pm

re: #92 jaunte

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So Kenny Knight is a liar, who could’ve guessed?

I’d also guess those “civic association” meetings were about fundraising - getting the local seniors in and scaring them with stories about how the Feds were going to take their money away and give it to minorities. That’s exactly what Scalise talked about. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a regular tactic for groups like EURO - set up a friendly neighborhood meeting, then ambush it.

142 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 8:20:28pm
If I see a single lady in a café or in a bar tomorrow, she will be arrested. Take care of your children. A woman should be a mother and the guardian of the home. What kind of mothers can they be after hanging around bars? How can they raise their children? What kind of example are they? Don’t say that she’s so-and-so or such-and-such. All pubs and nightclubs are crammed with females …Do you want to remain an honest person and stay faithful to your husband? Stay at home and work on embroidery. So, I repeat, patrols will be issued a special order - all girls found in bars will be arrested. All of them, I repeat. Stay at home, bake some pirozhki, celebrate March 8… It’s high time you remembered that you’re Russian. It’s high time to remember spiritual values. - said Mozgovoy.
143 BigPapa  Jan 1, 2015 8:20:31pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Not funny, and American wingnuts are nowhere near as bad as ISIS. Also, most of them aren’t theocrats.

Subjected to the same stresses many ME countries such as Iraq or Afghanistan, I have little doubt the craziest elements would turn their AR15’s on the those deemed a threat to the whatever society they could scrape together, not to mention others such as gays or unapproved religions.

144 KingKenrod  Jan 1, 2015 8:23:24pm

re: #128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In Russia it all started from mere rhetoric. (A very similar rhetoric to that of the American right-wing, BTW; with the difference being that it was a conjunction of the anti-liberal left and right, the “red-brown” alliance, if you will). I gotta gather myself and write a series of posts on that.

I’m definitely looking forward to that. I often feel lost when you bring up events in Russia…some background would be good.

145 goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2015 8:23:31pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that there are few rewards for drawing those kinds of distinctions for most media figures and politicians. And attempts to draw distinctions are often quite vulnerable to being deliberately taken out of context by those seeking to make the drawer look bad.

You know what’s irritating about the way you phrase this? That it’s couched as a problem for the person advocating reason. Instead of identifying the root of the actual issue, that social conservatives all too often aren’t interested in context, nuance or dealing with “the other” in anything but negative lump sum generalities.

Last, a frequent problem with trying to explain who the bad guys really are and why those who are not terror minded are different is that such explanations take too long and don’t fit into a nice, neat sound byte/ Sadly, if it requires a longish explanation then most people will never hear it.

You can couch this a “realism” but it’s really just cynical. All it does is seek to justify avoiding effort at communicating and education. I get why it’s tempting to treat these mindsets as immutable, because they make up the GOP base and it serves Republican interests to cater to them rather than try to change them. But they can be changed and treating the task as without a “reward” isn’t just defeatist, it also comes off as a deliberate strategy to dishearten those who would actually try.

146 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 8:23:50pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

You lie, you appeaser, you!

Here’s one of the more famous ones, a former student of mine.

Mehr Hassan, of Louisville, Kentucky

She’s an actor, singer, and dancer, and all-around sweet person.
imdb.com

147 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 8:26:35pm

re: #135 Belafon

Actually, he’d probably be more respected if he were a Muslim. Atheists are the most distrusted group in the US. There was even an FPer at Daily Kos that wrote about how atheists couldn’t be trusted.

Yes, but I don’t remember ever seeing an American atheist being blamed for something an atheist in some other country did, nor can I recall anyone demanding that atheists collectively stand up and condemn [insert bad deed] every time an atheist does something bad somewhere on the planet.

Hell, most of the time you wouldn’t even know the perpetrator was an atheist because it doesn’t get mentioned in news reports. If the person is Muslim however… (or black or Jewish, etc.)

148 nearly-headless smith25  Jan 1, 2015 8:34:43pm

Not for the faint at heart:

149 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 8:36:42pm

Speaking of Christian Taliban:

littlegreenfootballs.com

A Cossack fighter from the Wolves’ hundred with the call-sign “Buratino”, as he introduced himself, began his story about sweepstakes which had been organized in their unit and consisted of cutting off the heads of Ukrainian POWs. The winner should have received a BMW X6. “…In two weeks I have - one cut-off head, the other not fully sawed off, it was dark. When you cut off the head of an Ukr, at first he says in Russian “mama”, “mamochka”, and only then starts to gurgle and wheeze. Note - not “mamo”, but in Russian - “mamochka…”

150 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 8:37:42pm

re: #93 Gus

I follow a lot of religious people on Twitter. I’m learning to be more tolerant. I RT prayers even though I personally don’t believe in prayer. There’s more meaning to someone saying prayers than just my personal beliefs. Etc.

IRL, I have a lot of so-called religious friends. I say “so-called” because most of them don’t participate in religion all that often, it’s just a lot of talk. I give them a wide enough berth if they extend the same courtesies to me as a non-believer. Most of them do, a few haven’t. Those few are always telling me that they’re praying for me and my soul, as if something is very wrong with me. I find it a little insulting.

I went to primary school with a few fundamentalist kids. They have harassed me on Facebook and Twitter. Those fuckers are blocked.

151 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 8:44:31pm
152 CuriousLurker  Jan 1, 2015 8:47:08pm

re: #149 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Speaking of Christian Taliban:

littlegreenfootballs.com

*shudder*

We don’t need to have a Satan or demons or whatever—we humans are plenty bad enough on our own. I think maybe we need them so we can shift the blame for our bad deeds onto them.

Islam teaches that during Ramadan the gates of Hell are closed and demons/Satan chained up, so… that just leaves us (because bad stuff keeps right on happening).

Yeah, I know, I’m taking it literally, and scholars probably have a more refined answer, but… O_o

153 andres  Jan 1, 2015 8:49:29pm

Sorry I’m late… Happy 2015! May the new year bring many blessings to all of you and your families.

154 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 8:50:43pm

If it weren’t for the man on the right, the Union probably would have won the war sooner.

155 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 8:52:01pm

re: #154 teleskiguy

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If it weren’t for the man on the right, the Union probably would have won the war sooner.

Certainly. He was beloved by his men oddly enough.

156 andres  Jan 1, 2015 8:53:25pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

*shudder*

We don’t need to have a Satan or demons or whatever—we humans are plenty bad enough on our own. I think maybe we need them so we can shift the blame for our bad deeds onto them.

Islam teaches that during Ramadan the gates of Hell are closed and demons/Satan chained up, so… that just leaves us (because bad stuff keeps right on happening).

Yeah, I know, I’m taking it literally, and scholars probably have a more refined answer, but… O_o

One of the characters (the demon) in Good Omens makes that same observation. He actually feels very insulted when a person does something would send chills down the spines of even the demons in hell, and his defense is “The Devil made me do it.”

157 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 8:56:48pm
158 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 8:57:15pm

This whole operation just floors me. I think it goes against the soul of skiing.

159 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 9:03:48pm

re: #158 teleskiguy

Untrammeled trails do come with a price. Patrons must own property. The smallest condominiums cost about $4 million, and single-family homes start at $5 million, with annual assessments in the thousands of dollars. There is also an initial fee of $300,000, in addition to $36,000 a year for dues.

What a waste.

160 Jenner7  Jan 1, 2015 9:04:15pm

C’mon BUCKS, pull this one out….

161 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2015 9:07:04pm

re: #158 teleskiguy

Untrammeled trails do come with a price. Patrons must own property. The smallest condominiums cost about $4 million, and single-family homes start at $5 million, with annual assessments in the thousands of dollars. There is also an initial fee of $300,000, in addition to $36,000 a year for dues. Only members, their families and guests have access to the club, with its ski-in, ski-out homes that typically include ski rooms with individual lockers, heated driveways, bunk rooms and $5,000 boot dryers.

Lord help me if I ever think I need to spend that much money to enjoy skiing.

162 Kragar  Jan 1, 2015 9:07:23pm

Well, my grandmother’s cancer is finally catching up to her. They’re making the arrangements for her in-home hospice care and pain management. We’re looking at a couple of weeks, at best.

163 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 9:10:22pm

re: #162 Kragar

Sorry. I hope the pain is minimal as possible.

164 Kragar  Jan 1, 2015 9:17:50pm

re: #163 jaunte

Sorry. I hope the pain is minimal as possible.

She did about 3 weeks in the hospital before Thanksgiving, but spent the last few weeks with my uncle before she took a turn for the worse last weekend. She’s been in the hospital for the last few days while they make her preparations for care at home.

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 1, 2015 9:26:48pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Certainly. He was beloved by his men oddly enough.

He was a good trainer and took care of his troops and didn’t spend their lives in the kind of fighting needed to win the war. Thankfully Meade & Grant did not suffer from that flaw.

166 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 9:29:29pm

One of the most popular pro-Kremlin bloggers:

Before the New Year I have converted all my savings into kike-coins, following LevSharansky’s [* an antisemitic troll] advice. What crisis?

167 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 9:29:50pm

re: #165 William Barnett-Lewis

He was a good trainer and took care of his troops and didn’t spend their lives in the kind of fighting needed to win the war. Thankfully Meade & Grant did not suffer from that flaw.

My favorite general by far is William Tecumseh Sherman.

EDITED for a stupid grammatical error.

168 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 9:31:49pm

re: #166 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

A popular pro-Kremlin blogger? That’s fucking scary.

169 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 9:32:49pm

re: #165 William Barnett-Lewis

He was a good trainer and took care of his troops and didn’t spend their lives in the kind of fighting needed to win the war. Thankfully Meade & Grant did not suffer from that flaw.

Meade and I know you agree because I’ve seen you say it before is someone who doesn’t get enough love. I’d love to see a military historian write a biography of him.

170 HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2015 9:34:22pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

My favorite general by far is William Tecumseh Sherman.

EDITED for a stupid grammatical error.

I have Michael Sharra to thank for raising his popularity but I like Chamberlain. I’m also fond of the Irish Brigade. Sherman though was amazing. Really ahead of his time.

171 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 9:34:48pm

{{{ Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) }}}

I hope your grandmother finds solace in hospice care. Many hugs all around.

172 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 9:35:14pm

re: #168 teleskiguy

A popular pro-Kremlin blogger? That’s fucking scary.

The famous Russian antifascism!

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 1, 2015 9:38:39pm

Another great one was George Thomas. He deserves far more recognition than he gets.

174 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 9:39:40pm

re: #166 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

One of the most popular pro-Kremlin bloggers:

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Is he trying to claim OPEC production levels are a Jewish plot?

175 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 1, 2015 9:40:04pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

{{{ Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) }}}

I hope your grandmother finds solace in hospice care. Many hugs all around.

^^^^^This.

176 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 1, 2015 9:41:03pm

re: #174 jaunte

No, the unfunny joke is based on bitcoin/”zhidcoin” wordplay.

177 jaunte  Jan 1, 2015 9:41:41pm

re: #176 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Blech.

178 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2015 9:50:40pm

Ah, it’s always a good day when Bama loses. At least this one was close with an entertaining finish unlike that snoozer FSU game.

179 freetoken  Jan 1, 2015 9:55:42pm

Lots of obits for Mario Cuomo showing up. This NPR short piece links some:

npr.org

When I first heard the news I thought wow, he died young. Then I found out he was already 82.

Then I asked myself - where did the past 20 years go?

180 Single-handed sailor  Jan 1, 2015 9:57:48pm

re: #179 freetoken

Lots of obits for Mario Cuomo showing up. This NPR short piece links some:

npr.org

When I first heard the news I thought wow, he died young. Then I found out he was already 82.

Then I asked myself - where did the past 20 years go?

Good thing you’re only missing 20 years, I lost 40 years somewhere.

181 freetoken  Jan 1, 2015 9:58:56pm

Your history lesson tonight is about terrorism.

Not, not about what American’s today associate with that term.

This is about American terrorism.

And it explains to some large degree the angst today that we see played out continually, from Ferguson to your favorite wingnut online sources:

“A Most Cruel and Unjust War:” The Guerrilla Struggle along the Missouri-Kansas Border

It’s only 2 pages. Here’s a PDF if you desire:

182 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 1, 2015 10:02:13pm

re: #77 Gus

What really bakes my noodle is the right has apparently discovered NdGT like he appeared by magic last week.

He tweets things like that all the time. He’s distilled the Provocative Scientific Tweet to an art form because THAT’S HIS JOB. He comments on almost every public event and holiday throughout the year. But oh no, HE KINDA SORTA POKED FUN AT DA WAY WE LUBS JEEBUS so now he’s some kind of overnight enemy?

To paraphrase Bugs Bunny… “What a bunch of maroons.”

I know he doesn’t give a fuck, either. The sad part is, as brutally as he might skewer the noise-makers (should he chose to bother), they’ll never get it. The right is incapable of understanding irony. They won’t even see that he’s won the battle of wits with unarmed opponents.

183 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 1, 2015 10:06:53pm

re: #114 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

And to govern with the Bible. That’s theocratic.

184 BeachDem  Jan 1, 2015 10:08:55pm

re: #182 Pawn of the Oppressor

What really bakes my noodle is the right has apparently discovered NdGT like he appeared by magic last week.

He tweets things like that all the time. He’s distilled the Provocative Scientific Tweet to an art form because THAT’S HIS JOB. He comments on almost every public event and holiday throughout the year. But oh no, HE KINDA SORTA POKED FUN AT DA WAY WE LUBS JEEBUS so now he’s some kind of overnight enemy?

To paraphrase Bugs Bunny… “What a bunch of maroons.”

I know he doesn’t give a fuck, either. The sad part is, as brutally as he might skewer the noise-makers (should he chose to bother), they’ll never get it. The right is incapable of understanding irony. They won’t even see that he’s won the battle of wits with unarmed opponents.

Well, there was an ever-so-slight right wing uproar when Cosmos was airing, but I don’t think they really understood it well enough to go full metal wingnut.

He’s been a favorite of mine for several years (I often refer to him as my pretend boyfriend.) When his tweets get 80,000 favorites and 80,000 retweets, it warms my heart to know there are a lot of folks who DO get him and love what he says.

185 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 10:22:01pm

As of the middle of February, my LGF and Twitter avatar is six years old.

I may need a new picture of me choking on powder snow.

186 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 1, 2015 10:31:36pm

Wow, here in our corner of SoCal the temp is currently 32°F. That’s okay. What’s strange is that by Monday the daytime high is predicted to be 77°F.

187 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 10:39:09pm

re: #186 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Wow, here in our corner of SoCal the temp is currently 32°F. That’s okay. What’s strange is that by Monday the daytime high is predicted to be 77°F.

What. The. Fuck?!?
188 klystron  Jan 1, 2015 10:50:51pm

re: #187 teleskiguy

Image: What. The. Fuck?!?

Forget, Jake, it’s CA.

//

189 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 1, 2015 10:56:42pm

36 people are killed in Shanghai as New Year’s revelers stampede

uk.reuters.com

bbc.com

190 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 10:57:52pm

re: #188 klystron

Forget, Jake, it’s CA.

//

Stupid Maritime slash Mediterranean slash borderline Tropical climate!

I saw pictures of snow near San Diego recently.

O_o

191 klystron  Jan 1, 2015 11:00:12pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Stupid Maritime slash Mediterranean slash borderline Tropical climate!

I saw pictures of snow near San Diego recently.

O_o

We will not talk about how bitter I am.

192 Single-handed sailor  Jan 1, 2015 11:03:19pm

re: #191 klystron

We will not talk about how bitter I am.

The last time it snowed at sea level in the Bay Area was in 1976. I was riding BART back from San Francisco and came through the Oakland Hills tunnel into what looked like Lake Tahoe but was really Orinda. It was awesome.

193 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 11:03:24pm

re: #191 klystron

We will not talk about how bitter I am.

Maybe this will help.

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY
194 klystron  Jan 1, 2015 11:03:56pm

re: #192 Single-handed sailor

The last time it snowed at sea level in the Bay Area was in 1976. I was riding BART back from San Francisco and came through the Oakland Hills tunnel into what looked like Lake Tahoe but was really Orinda. It was awesome.

I wasn’t even born then.

-_-

I need to move somewhere with weather again.

195 Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2015 11:11:55pm

re: #194 klystron

I wasn’t even born then.

-_-

I need to move somewhere with weather again.

We’re a couple hundred miles north of our range, in Birmingham. Thought I could find a windshield scraper “just in case”. No luck yet.

196 Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2015 11:18:57pm

For a couple weeks, here, conditions have made it possible to lurk, but difficult to post, It sounds like several lizards have had bad family saddness this season. Strength to them. We shall have to make this new year better.

197 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 11:21:28pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

We’re a couple hundred miles north of our range, in Birmingham. Thought I could find a windshield scraper “just in case”. No luck yet.

I’ve used my brush/windshield wiper scraper daily since before Thanksgiving. Already replaced my windshield wipers. My snowtires maybe have one more season in ‘em, depending on our ever-deepening snowpack.

198 Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2015 11:22:28pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

I’ve used my brush/windshield wiper scraper daily since before Thanksgiving. Already replaced my windshield wipers. My snowtires maybe have one more season in ‘em, depending on our ever-deepening snowpack.

Tell me more of these “snowtires”.

199 klystron  Jan 1, 2015 11:23:32pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

I’ve used my brush/windshield wiper scraper daily since before Thanksgiving. Already replaced my windshield wipers. My snowtires maybe have one more season in ‘em, depending on our ever-deepening snowpack.

I think I replaced my windshield wipers 4 years ago. They finally need it again.

Maybe I’ll get around to it sometime this month.

200 #FergusonFireside  Jan 1, 2015 11:26:21pm

Hi LGF! How’s it?

201 #FergusonFireside  Jan 1, 2015 11:28:17pm

Florida State & Alabama lost.

All is good on this end.

202 teleskiguy  Jan 1, 2015 11:29:37pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Tell me more of these “snowtires”.

Traction in snow. It’s what it’s all about.

A Google search photo:

Note: These are not my tires. I have Toyo snowtires.

The key is a ton of traction. Problem is, they get bald whilst driving on dry pavement too long.

203 Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2015 11:30:50pm

re: #201 #FergusonFireside

Florida State & Alabama lost.

One assumes you are not talking about the Nobel prizes.

204 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 1, 2015 11:31:19pm

re: #200 #FergusonFireside

Hi LGF! How’s it?

Better than yesterday or, worse, the day before was. New Year’s Eve would have been our 20th anniversary had she not wanted a divorce.

205 #FergusonFireside  Jan 1, 2015 11:32:23pm

re: #204 William Barnett-Lewis

Better than yesterday or, worse, the day before was. New Year’s Eve would have been our 20th anniversary had she not wanted a divorce.

:( I’m sorry. It’s so hard.

206 Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2015 11:34:04pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

Traction in snow. It’s what it’s all about.

A Google search photo:

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Note: These are not my tires. I have Toyo snowtires.

The key is a ton of traction. Problem is, the get bald whilst driving on dry pavement too long.

Our roads have had measurable frozen precipitation 2-3 times since we moved here in the mid-80s. Fortunately, the adult natives cower in fear until it melts that afternoon.

207 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 12:04:22am

My new work schedule is fucking with my LGF time.

I’m missing all the commentary. Guess I could go back & read…

208 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 12:27:06am
209 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 12:31:12am

We suck, basically.

210 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 12:40:19am

Oh America, you make me sad every day. We are so far behind in so many ways.

211 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 2, 2015 12:46:07am

re: #210 #FergusonFireside

Sweet :)

212 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 12:54:14am

I’m trying to find a funny happy send off for the night.

1. I’m probably going to be up for a few more minutes.

2. Total fail on icanhazcheezeburgers - really, not one I like

3. I cannot remember the funny written on the bathroom stall site. I found the fakes and they suck.

I am happy and contented. How the hell do I show it??

:)

213 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 2, 2015 12:57:26am

re: #212 #FergusonFireside

Post some good music? :)

214 Single-handed sailor  Jan 2, 2015 1:09:31am

Like this:
Pink Martini - Amado Mio

Pink Martini (with singer Storm Large) - Amado Mio

215 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:13:11am

re: #213 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Post some good music? :)

I am clueless on new music. Charles (TY very much) posts the Bob Schneider as needed.

This I’ll leave you with. Albusteve turned me onto it. A classic.

And I’m a gonna post the bad video one from 1977. But it is the pure one.

Beach Boys - Sail on sailor, California Saga (California) live 1977

216 Single-handed sailor  Jan 2, 2015 1:14:03am

re: #215 #FergusonFireside

I can go for that.

217 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:20:16am

haha, otherwise you are going to get Jackson Browned out & I’m going to get depressed.

Well, I have something else!!

B52’s Hero Worship

The B-52’s - Hero Worship

His idol eyes!

218 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:23:25am

damn, that song was good.

219 Single-handed sailor  Jan 2, 2015 1:24:34am

When Charles posted the Nilsson link last night I disappeared down the rabbit hole and came up with this sailing song.

Nilsson - Sail Away

220 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:25:27am

Going to listen to the full album. 1979

The B-52’s (1979) (FULL ALBUM)

I saw them then. They had the play piano onstage.

Planet Claire.

221 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 1:27:47am

Is that the album with Love Shack on it?

222 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:30:32am

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Is that the album with Love Shack on it?

No. Absolutely NO.

That was way past their pureness.

223 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:34:12am

52 Girls playing now. Epic.

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Is that the album with Love Shack on it?

Listen. Just listen.

225 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:36:35am

Dance this Mess Around was the play piano song.

226 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:41:36am

Rock Lobster is playing now.

Everybody had matching towels.

227 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:46:19am

Best lines:

Put on your nose guard. Put on the life guard.

228 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 1:50:29am

Late night Stanley Sea is having fun.

Holy shit, every single song on this album is epic.

Lava.

Don’t you let your lava love turn to stone!

229 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 2:00:47am
230 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 2:10:52am

Wild Planet next

THE B52´s WILD PLANET 1980 (ALBUM COMPLETO )

231 Romantic Heretic  Jan 2, 2015 2:26:12am

re: #181 freetoken

Your history lesson tonight is about terrorism.

Not, not about what American’s today associate with that term.

This is about American terrorism.

And it explains to some large degree the angst today that we see played out continually, from Ferguson to your favorite wingnut online sources:

“A Most Cruel and Unjust War:” The Guerrilla Struggle along the Missouri-Kansas Border

It’s only 2 pages. Here’s a PDF if you desire:

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I’ve noted many times that the period after the Civil War was one where the US was subjected to a long campaign of terrorism , and the terrorists won.

The US is feeling the effects of that campaign and that victory even today.

232 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 2:28:34am

In case you missed it, UpChuck shows us who’s boss.

Not saying it was me, though
233 #FergusonFireside  Jan 2, 2015 2:32:53am

I’ll give you fish.

234 Bubblehead II  Jan 2, 2015 2:45:46am

Morning Lizards from a nippy Twin Falls.

Wind Chill is -9F

235 RadicalModerate  Jan 2, 2015 2:48:28am

re: #220 #FergusonFireside

Going to listen to the full album. 1979

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I saw them then. They had the play piano onstage.

Planet Claire.

I still say that the most amazing thing about them is the fact that they, along with R.E.M. and the Indigo Girls came out of Athens, GA during the late 1970s-early 1980s.

236 RadicalModerate  Jan 2, 2015 2:53:08am

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

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donotlink.com

The Ginger Avenger going against the racist narrative? Doxxing white people? It’s a world gone mad I tells ya, A WORLD GONE MAD!

Did someone slip Chuckie a Haldol roofie during New Year’s?

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 2:58:28am

re: #234 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards from a nippy Twin Falls.

Wind Chill is -9F

12 below here in the Wisconsin Northwoods so I’m grateful that the wind is calm this morning.

238 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 2, 2015 2:59:03am

re: #237 William Barnett-Lewis

12 below here in the Wisconsin Northwoods so I’m grateful that the wind is calm this morning.

Snow has all melted in Germany, at least at our elevations…

239 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 3:03:21am

re: #235 RadicalModerate

I still say that the most amazing thing about them is the fact that they, along with R.E.M. and the Indigo Girls came out of Athens, GA during the late 1970s-early 1980s.

Minneapolis had The Replacements, Husker Du, The Urban Guerrillas, Soul Asylum., Trip Shakespeare, Morris Day, Prince, and much more in the same era. Athens was just a flash in the pan ;)

240 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 2, 2015 3:04:12am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Except for the assertion that these taxes were passed without GOP votes too, this was to be a temporary tax cut under Bush which the GOP supported. Democrats voted against making them permanent

241 Bubblehead II  Jan 2, 2015 3:05:05am

re: #237 William Barnett-Lewis

12 below here in the Wisconsin Northwoods so I’m grateful that the wind is calm this morning.

Supposed to start warming up the beginning of next week. Highs in the 40s during the day and dropping into the 20s at night. Typical for this area.

242 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 2, 2015 3:05:25am

re: #239 William Barnett-Lewis

Minneapolis had The Replacements, Husker Du, The Urban Guerrillas, Soul Asylum., Take Shakespeare, Morris Day, Prince, and much more in the same era. Athens was just a flash in the pan ;)

Akron Ohio had Devo and Gary, Indiana had the Jackson Five…

243 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 3:28:38am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Meade and I know you agree because I’ve seen you say it before is someone who doesn’t get enough love. I’d love to see a military historian write a biography of him.

You won’t like hearing this but Meade’s big modern-day advocate is Ralph Peters. Yes, that’s the same Ralph Peters who shows up on Fox News.

As I wrote a couple days ago, Peters has some useful things to say, he just doesn’t say them on FNC. His work on there is largely meat-tossing for money.

244 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 3:34:23am

re: #241 Bubblehead II

Supposed to drop like a rock on Sunday during the day and stay seriously cold till Thursday.

245 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 3:36:55am

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Stopped clocks and blind squirrels as they say… :)

246 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 3:47:48am

re: #181 freetoken

Your history lesson tonight is about terrorism.

Not, not about what American’s today associate with that term.

This is about American terrorism.

And it explains to some large degree the angst today that we see played out continually, from Ferguson to your favorite wingnut online sources:

“A Most Cruel and Unjust War:” The Guerrilla Struggle along the Missouri-Kansas Border

It’s only 2 pages. Here’s a PDF if you desire:

[Embedded content]

Interesting that by name-dropping Frank James the article hints at the most famous after-effect of the Kansas-Missouri border fighting, that being the James-Younger Gang. The this team of ex-‘bushwackers’ was first well-known example of ex-soldiers turning to bank robbery, though it wouldn’t be the last. They also aimed a number of their attacks at those who had figured notably in the Union cause.

247 klystron  Jan 2, 2015 3:48:11am

My plan of going to bed at reasonable hours has been …shot to hell, pretty much.

248 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 3:49:43am

re: #245 William Barnett-Lewis

Stopped clocks and blind squirrels as they say… :)

Not really IMO. I think Peters just DERPs on FNC in order to make his living and the good stuff he writes is what he really cares about.

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 3:54:19am

Heard the Ducks chanted “No means No” at the FSU quarterback after whipping him & his team. Nice to see they know what’s right…

250 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 3:55:37am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Which put paid to them in Northfield MN…

251 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 3:58:48am

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

Not really IMO. I think Peters just DERPs on FNC in order to make his living and the good stuff he writes is what he really cares about.

If he wasn’t such a neo-con and pushing the needless wars, then I might be tempted to agree. He’s not got much evidence of good analysis in my eyes.

252 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 4:00:08am

Why yes, it is quieter than a Sunday here…

253 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 4:01:57am

re: #252 William Barnett-Lewis

Why yes, it is quieter than a Sunday here…

It’s early and people are worn out now that the holidays are over.

254 Bubblehead II  Jan 2, 2015 4:02:26am

Better?

Guns N’ Roses - Welcome To The Jungle

255 Bubblehead II  Jan 2, 2015 4:08:52am

Well time to log off and head to work. Have a good day Lizards and I will see you tonight.

256 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 4:09:51am

re: #254 Bubblehead II

Better?

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That works. I’ve even got a story to go with it:

‘God was calling me to fight ISIS’: Surf dude ditches watersports job on Costa Rica beach to become a jihadi hunter with Kurds fighting extremists in Syria

An American grandfather has joined the Kurds in the fight against ISIS in Syria after abandoning his idyllic life as a surf instructor in Costa Rica, to wield an AK-47 against the jihadists.

In an interview with MailOnline, Dean Parker, who has no previous military experience, said he ‘heard God’s call’ to take up arms after watching a heartbreaking TV report about the plight of the Yazidi people trapped on Mount Sinjar by Islamic State fighters.

After flying out to Syria, the West Palm Beach, Florida, native has joined the Lions of Rojava - a famous squad of foreign fighters which is part of the Kurdish People’s Protection Unit, known as the YPG.

Well, if he didn’t have previous military experience, at least his trainers taught him proper trigger discipline:

Image: 23C6A71F00000578-2862608-Despite_having_no_military_experience_Dean_Parker_has_taken_up_a-a-22_1418296604895.jpg

257 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 2, 2015 4:19:15am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

I’d be more inclined to fight for the Ukrainians but if he can help there, more power (and a good bullet proof vest) to him.

258 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 4:34:11am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Snow has all melted in Germany, at least at our elevations…

It’s melting off here in Ostrava. A balmy 37 F today!

I’ve been looking around, and surprisingly, I have yet to see a trailer for the upcoming film, Child 44. I’m looking forward to that one, not least of which is that it was filmed entirely on location here in the Czech Republic, but apparently, in my adopted hometown as well.

For those who’ve never read the book it’s based on, Child 44 is based on the real-life atrocities committed by Andrei Chikatilo, the Beast of Rostov, but transposed into the Stalin era.

259 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 4:36:30am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

It’s melting off here in Ostrava. A balmy 37 F today!

I’ve been looking around, and surprisingly, I have yet to see a trailer for upcoming film, Child 44. I’m looking forward to that one, not least of which is that it was filmed entirely on location here in the Czech Republic, but apparently, in my adopted hometown as well.

For those who’ve never read the book it’s based on, Child 44 is based on the real-life atrocities committed by Andrei Chikatilo, the Beast of Rostov, but transposed into the Stalin era.

So in this version the serial killer never gets caught, but a bunch of innocent people who are suspected of being him are executed or sent to the Gulag, correct?

260 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 4:39:53am

OH HAI!

I am back at work. It was creepy when I came in, I was the first one in the building. The lights were on though.

A co-worker has just arrived.

261 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 4:46:31am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

So in this version the serial killer never gets caught, but a bunch of innocent people who are suspected of being him are executed or sent to the Gulag, correct?

In the real-life Chikatilo case, one innocent person was indeed executed for one of his murders - that person was posthumously declared innocent. From what I recall, this chap had confessed, and to the Soviet authorities, that was good enough - they never stopped to think that there’s always “false confessors” who almost invariably turn up. The Soviets actually ended up hassling a lot of otherwise innocent people in their manhunt for Chikatilo before they finally caught him

There was an outstanding HBO made-for-TV film about it. Citizen X. Though I’m looking forward to Child 44, Citizen X is, for me, sort of the go-to film regarding the Beast of Rostov.

262 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 4:51:47am

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

In the real-life Chikatilo case, one innocent person was indeed executed for one of his murders - that person was posthumously declared innocent. From what I recall, this chap had confessed, and to the Soviet authorities, that was good enough - they never stopped to think that there’s always “false confessors” who almost invariably turn up. The Soviets actually ended up hassling a lot of otherwise innocent people in their manhunt for Chikatilo before they finally caught him

There was an outstanding HBO made-for-TV film about it. Citizen X. Though I’m looking forward to Child 44, Citizen X is, for me, sort of the go-to film regarding the Beast of Rostov.

I’ve seen Citizen X and it is indeed an excellent movie. Well cast, too, as the dynamic between Stephen Rea and Donald Sutherland’s characters is really allowed to form and grow in the movie. Too often in movies things are made to change between characters as a result of sudden crisis, whereas in Citizen X it shows how two men adapt to each other and become friends over a period of several years.

Max von Sydow’s reluctant hero psychiatrist is also a very well-drawn character.

263 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 4:56:17am

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

I’ve seen Citizen X and it is indeed an excellent movie. Well cast, too, as the dynamic between Stephen Rea and Donald Sutherland’s characters is really allowed to form and grow in the movie. Too often in movies things are made to change between characters as a result of sudden crisis, whereas in Citizen X it shows how two men adapt to each other and become friends over a period of several years.

Max von Sydow’s reluctant hero psychiatrist is also a very well-drawn character.

I’d also add that Jeffrey DeMunn was an exceptional bit of casting as Chikatilo as well. I regard Citizen X as one of the all-time best serial killer/true crime genre films.

So……off to do some shopping. Back later.

264 Eventual Carrion  Jan 2, 2015 5:08:00am

re: #260 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI!

I am back at work. It was creepy when I came in, I was the first one in the building. The lights were on though.

A co-worker has just arrived.

Pretty much the same here. Looked like I was the first one here in either building at 7:30. I have seen a couple cars trickle in since a little before 8:00. Two people have walked into my building since, but it will be sparse today as it was last Friday. I like it that way.

265 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 5:21:00am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

The claim that all those taxes were passed as part of Obamacare is patently and absolutely false.

Obamacare did not adjust capital gains, income tax, or estate tax rates at all.

It adjusted payroll tax.

The income tax and capital gains rates that are now in effect (and they were in effect for tax year 2014 as well) were the result of last year’s CR that was passed with bipartisan effort (think way back to the sequester legislation).

IOW, they conflate separate legislation passed at different times to blame it all on Obamacare.

266 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 5:45:19am

Good Morning!

267 Maggie's Pa  Jan 2, 2015 5:46:15am

Bono may never play the guitar again.

Bono says he now has a titanium elbow and may never play guitar again due to injuries suffered in a New York City cycling accident.

The 54-year-old U2 frontman suffered multiple injuries, including fractures to his left eye socket, shoulder blade and left elbow, when he crashed his bike in Central Park in November. He required hours of surgery after what doctors called a “high-energy bicycle accident.”

On the band’s website Thursday, Bono said the “recovery has been more difficult than I thought. As I write this, it is not clear that I will ever play guitar again.”

He added that his bandmates — The Edge, Adam Clayton and Larry Mullen — “have reminded me that neither they nor Western civilization are depending on this.”

268 Snarknado!  Jan 2, 2015 5:46:54am

re: #265 lawhawk

My wingnut-by-upbringing relative emailed something like this to me last summer, “effective July 1.” With the heading “how could they do this?” I replied “short answer — they didn’t,” spelling it out in the body text.

Since she’s not a nutjob fundamentally, although she keeps falling for these things (or maybe I’m her reality checker), she thanked me.

269 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 5:48:18am

re: #265 lawhawk

The claim that all those taxes were passed as part of Obamacare is patently and absolutely false.

Obamacare did not adjust capital gains, income tax, or estate tax rates at all.

It adjusted payroll tax.

The income tax and capital gains rates that are now in effect (and they were in effect for tax year 2014 as well) were the result of last year’s CR that was passed with bipartisan effort (think way back to the sequester legislation).

IOW, they conflate separate legislation passed at different times to blame it all on Obamacare.

If all those things were tied to the ACA, it would not have passed. There were plenty of (D)’s that would have jumped ship.

270 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 5:52:27am

re: #269 Franklin

If all those things were tied to the ACA, it would not have passed. There were plenty of (D)’s that would have jumped ship.

True, but remember the people who that sort Tweet is designed to rile up don’t understand how the government works. For ‘CLIFF DEVEREAUX’ and his ilk, stuff like that is just intended to serve as their Obama-Hate fix.

271 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 5:53:29am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

True, but remember the people who that sort Tweet is designed to rile up don’t understand how the government works. For ‘CLIFF DEVEREAUX’ and his ilk, stuff like that is just intended to serve as their Obama-Hate fix.

True. Critical thinking and CLIFF DEVEREAUX et al parted ways years ago.

272 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 6:09:38am

The Coalition gives ISIS a New Year’s Beating with 29 airstrikes.

The article also contains photos of fascist fuckwad dictator Bashar Al-Assad visiting his troops and hired militia killers and being shown in and around a BMP-1 (the DM calls it a ‘tank’, which is a common media mistake given the BMP-1’s 73mm recoilless rifle main armament). Seeing those photo made me wish we could have put a Maverick into that BMP while Assad was inside it, turning him into a charred corpse. I know why we can’t do that, but oh how Assad deserves it.

And that’s my bloody-minded comment for the morning.

273 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 6:18:31am

Mario Cuomo’s 1984 Speech in which his critiques trickle down economics proffered by Ronald Reagan (the Shining City on the Hill is only half the story - the real problem is that this nation is a Tale of Two Cities), and identifies a problem that we’re still dealing with today - that there are the haves and have nots, and the GOP still refuses to do anything about the latter, except to propose legislation that increases benefits to the haves while imposing more burdens on everyone else.

Mario Cuomo’s 1984 Convention Speech

274 A Mom Anon  Jan 2, 2015 6:20:18am

Hi there scaly ones!! Did you miss me? Probably not, but too bad. I’m back. Kind of.

First off, Happy 2015. Let’s hope it sucks less for everyone. I haven’t been around to read how everyone is doing, I’ve just picked up little things by skimming through a few threads. Please take care of yourselves and accept a gentle (((hug))) from me and mine if you wish.

I was off fighting to save my marriage. It looks like I succeeded in bringing The Husband back to solid ground, but there’s lots of damage and mess to clean up (his doing, OMG, I want to strangle him). I don’t get male bonding, I really do not. Married guys, if you have lots of expensive single guy pursuits (Harleys, hunting, NASCAR, etc) and take ALL your vacation time and disposable income (and not disposable income, grrr OMG) and spend it on those things, your wife is going to eventually find out and plot your demise, or at least want to strangle you. She’s also been made into an obstacle to your happiness, which I’m fairly certain she didn’t sign up for. Ahem. And when you promised The Wife a trip of a lifetime for an anniversary and she can’t go because you have an expensive bromance with some idiot friend of yours, let’s just say she’s going to either leave your silly ass or come up with some creative ways of getting your attention. Sigh. Really? Can I sit with the grownups now? Please? And do not get me started on barely participating as a parent. Gah.

The Kid is about to start a new job program, so there’s my good news. He’s been lonely and sad over the holidays, not sure what his parents are going to do about things, not having friends his age to hang with, etc. He’s the best kid ever. He told me the other day he thought I was so beautiful I could be a model(after seeing me dressed up ready to go out, in an actual dress for once) and he would be my agent and help me build self confidence. What 20 yr old kid says that to his mom? My son, that’s who.

Not sure what the new year holds or will bring. Could be a divorce after 22 yrs, but The Husband seems willing to work on things so it won’t come to that- I’m guardedly optimistic. Could be a kid moving out, we’ll see how his job program goes and if he will have room to move forward and earn more than minimum wage and become more confident about driving. Could be a little business I’m trying to start will take wing, I hope so. I’ve created my own formula for an all natural skin salve I’m making in my kitchen. I’ve sold a few, given some away, everyone loves it. Now I have to find commercial grade containers, labels and make up some business cards and the like and work on finding customers.

I hope you all are well. I always miss this place when life gets in the way of me being here. Much love and joy to all of you. For those struggling with anything, I’m there in the trenches with you, let’s keep fighting for what’s worth it and say “fuck it” to what isn’t. (((hugs all around)))

275 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 6:24:26am

{{{{{MOM ANON}}}}}

276 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 6:24:37am

re: #273 lawhawk

The Dems have kept that sort of class war rhetoric up ass end of forever. When Republicans are sharp they can defeat it by speaking to opportunity and making sure people have a chance to move up and prosper rather than being weighed down by the morass of government excess.

If the Dems want to use A Tale of Two Cities, Republicans should be proud to be prosperous and traditional London in that example, and leave the Dems the role of chaotic, poor, and murderous revolutionary Paris.

277 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 6:27:28am

re: #274 A Mom Anon

If your salve works for babies as well, I might be able to help you advertise it once your business gets going a bit. Let me know, because I’d love to show you what the firm I work for could do for you.

278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 2, 2015 6:33:07am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

The Dems have kept that sort of class war rhetoric up ass end of forever. When Republicans are sharp they can defeat it by speaking to opportunity and making sure people have a chance to move up and prosper rather than being weighed down by the morass of government excess.

If the Dems want to use A Tale of Two Cities, Republicans should be proud to be prosperous and traditional London in that example, and leave the Dems the role of chaotic, poor, and murderous revolutionary Paris.

It is partly the Dems’ fault for letting Republicans frame it as class war, it is about maintaining the peace between classes with differing interests.

279 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 6:35:40am

re: #209 #FergusonFireside

We suck, basically.

Or learned from the Civil War that taking things to the economic roots of the other side’s economy had greater effect than chasing their soldiers/warriors about with little chance of a decisive encounter.

280 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 6:39:46am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is partly the Dems’ fault for letting Republicans frame it as class war, it is about maintaining the peace between classes with differing interests.

No, its mostly Dems fault because the fires of class warfare burned hotter when the Dems got too close to the far left in the late 1960’s-early 1970’s. They had pulled away from the crazies by 1984, but it of course made no difference, as Walter Mondale lacked Mario Cuomo’s rhetorical gifts and the improving economy and military gave Ronald Reagan a very strong position

Today, the Dems still flirt with the hard left at times (as witness Bill de Blasio) and their anti-business diatribes continue to hand Republicans switches with which the elephant can flog the donkey (holding the switch with its trunk, of course).

281 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 6:40:38am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

It’s not class warfare to point out that the trickle down economics proffered by the right increases the tax burdens on those least able to afford it.

It’s not class warfare to point out that voodoo economics is voodoo - heck, even GHWB recognized it.

The economic policy that is underpinning GOP belief is based on a sham. Identifying that isn’t class warfare; after all, what the GOP is doing is class warfare. Identifying what the GOP is doing isn’t warfare.

The problem is that the GOP hasn’t done anything of the sort - it has cut taxes and you get what you see in Kansas. Tax cuts have made budget deficits even worse, and only fuels further GOP demands for cuts in safety net programs. Heck, the GOP casts a blind eye to corporate welfare all while pushing for drug testing for welfare recipients even though the cost for drug testing significantly exceeds the amount of welfare that might be recovered from those who test positive.

And frankly, the GOP has flipped the script, and they’re promoting the chaos of revolutionary France with their policies while Democrats are seeing London with a stable polity. The GOP wants to tear down the social safety net, wants to see the elimination of the ACA, and wont be satisfied until the government is so small it fits inside lady bits with no care to the real world consequences.

282 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 6:44:49am

re: #274 A Mom Anon

Wow. Just try to keep in mind you’re a much stronger person than most. Hang in there, and hope the New Year treats you better.

283 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 6:48:28am

re: #273 lawhawk

We believe we must be the family of America, recognizing that at the heart of the matter, we are bound one to another; that the problems of a retired school teacher in Duluth are our problems; that the future of the child—that the future of the child in Buffalo is our future; that the struggle of a disabled man in Boston to survive and live decently is our struggle; that the hunger of a woman in Little Rock is our hunger; that the failure anywhere to provide what reasonably we might, to avoid pain, is our failure.

284 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 6:48:59am

Good morning Lizards.

Back in the office grinder after a week and a half off. Had to think in order to remember my password for the office computer. (At least I don’t need it yet to get coffee.)

No Mummers sighted this morning. Sounds like they were successfully stuffed back into their box until next New Year’s.

285 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 6:50:48am

re: #274 A Mom Anon

MIssed ya!

Take this +1 cluexfour. May help.

:)

286 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 6:52:49am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

The Dems have kept that sort of class war rhetoric up ass end of forever. When Republicans are sharp they can defeat it by speaking to opportunity and making sure people have a chance to move up and prosper rather than being weighed down by the morass of government excess.

If the Dems want to use A Tale of Two Cities, Republicans should be proud to be prosperous and traditional London in that example, and leave the Dems the role of chaotic, poor, and murderous revolutionary Paris.

Ahem, pardon me, but that is complete bullshit and you know it.

287 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 6:56:09am

re: #281 lawhawk

The economic policy that is underpinning GOP belief is based on a sham. Identifying that isn’t class warfare; after all, what the GOP is doing is class warfare. Identifying what the GOP is doing isn’t warfare.

The problem is that the GOP hasn’t done anything of the sort - it has cut taxes and you get what you see in Kansas. Tax cuts have made budget deficits even worse, and only fuels further GOP demands for cuts in safety net programs. Heck, the GOP casts a blind eye to corporate welfare all while pushing for drug testing for welfare recipients even though the cost for drug testing significantly exceeds the amount of welfare that might be recovered from those who test positive.

From TPM: Report: New Congress Dumping CBO Chief To Clear Way For Special GOP Budget Math

Over the past few months Republicans have renewed their focus on changing the way CBO scores budgets if they were to take control of the Senate and keep control of the House of Representatives. Dynamic scoring calculates budgets through a controversial view that tax cuts both create economic growth and counter lost revenue. Currently the CBO does not use dynamic scoring

The party that brought you trickle-down economics has managed to come up with a tax idea even more destructive to the nation’s financial health.

Keep in mind: these are grown adults, elected to run this country, who want to rely on essentially magical thinking to run the federal budget.

The GOP wants to tear down the social safety net, wants to see the elimination of the ACA, and wont be satisfied until the government is so small it fits inside lady bits with no care to the real world consequences.

If you want to see where this country is headed with another GOP sweep of all three branches of government, look at the shit hole that Republicans turned Kansas into.

You want to damage this country as badly as possible? Keep voting Republican.

288 BeenHereAwhile  Jan 2, 2015 6:58:42am

re: #239 William Barnett-Lewis

Minneapolis had The Replacements, Husker Du, The Urban Guerrillas, Soul Asylum., Trip Shakespeare, Morris Day, Prince, and much more in the same era. Athens was just a flash in the pan ;)

And Macon, GA, had Little Richard, Johnny Jenkins, Otis Redding, Percy Sledge, Allman Brothers, Wet Willie, and by proxy, the Marshall Tucker Band.

289 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 6:58:48am

re: #284 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards.

Back in the office grinder after a week and a half off. Had to think in order to remember my password for the office computer. (At least I don’t need it yet to get coffee.)

No Mummers sighted this morning. Sounds like they were successfully stuffed back into their box until next New Year’s.

LOL, as long I’ve live in this area, I have had absolutely no desire to see a Mummer’s Parade. Ever.

And I think the rest of the Delaware Valley is heading in that direction, given the dwindling crowds along Broad Street each year.

290 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 6:58:59am

Tax cuts increase revenues!
Pay cuts increase your pay!

One of these is fanatically believed to be true.

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 6:58:59am

re: #287 Mattand

From TPM: Report: New Congress Dumping CBO Chief To Clear Way For Special GOP Budget Math

The party that brought you trickle-down economics has managed to come up with a tax idea even more destructive to the nations financial health.

Keep in mind: these are grown adults, elected to run this country, who want to rely on essentially magical thinking to run the federal budget.

If you want to see where this country is headed with another GOP sweep of all three branches of government, look at the shit hole that Republicans turned Kansas into.

You want to damage this country as badly as possible? Keep voting Republican.

Remember those “independent” political ads a few years back about how the Chinese bought us lock-stock-and-barrel in 2030 due to Obama. The GOP is actually trying to deliver on that one.
//

292 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 7:00:27am

Conservatives Have Free Reign In Kansas. It’s Failing.

As Businesweek explained, “the immediate effect has been to blow a hole in the state’s finances without noticeable economic growth.”

Even with the cut in taxes, big companies like Applebee’s and Boeing have moved out of Kansas.

…

Why?

Because conservative economics doesn’t actually work. It is a faith based program untethered from reality. The numbers don’t add up and it is destructive to societies.

But this won’t deter them. They’ll do it again. They’ll go to the well and bring up another bucket full of excrement and tell the true believers that it’s spring water.

293 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 7:03:17am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

The Dems have kept that sort of class war rhetoric up ass end of forever. When Republicans are sharp they can defeat it by speaking to opportunity and making sure people have a chance to move up and prosper rather than being weighed down by the morass of government excess.

If the Dems want to use A Tale of Two Cities, Republicans should be proud to be prosperous and traditional London in that example, and leave the Dems the role of chaotic, poor, and murderous revolutionary Paris.

You are assuming there is no such thing as class warfare in America. Facts say otherwise. There is a significant minority of corporate types, most of whom are conservative Republicans or conservatarians, who are doing their damnedest to preserve their situations while making it more difficult for the middle class to move upward. Their efforts to gut public education, make it difficult for kids to afford college, bash unions are just a few examples.

Like it or not, there is a growing divide between the people at the top economically and everyone else in the USA. The GOP seems to be quite happy at that situation.

294 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 7:03:26am

Lol, ‘Dynamic Scoring’.
What bullshit.
If reality doesn’t show what you want, fudge the numbers!

295 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 7:04:53am

I would like to see an unbiased, fair study that proves tax cuts increase revenues.
Now, if you don’t mind, I have a cricket farm to attend to.

296 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 7:05:15am

re: #292 Varek Raith

Conservatives Have Free Reign In Kansas. It’s Failing.

What’s stupefying is that Brownback, after completely fucking over the state economy, still managed to get re-elected. Albeit with a much tighter margin (49% to 46%).

Still, think about that it for a minute: a majority of Kansas voters looked at how Brownback made their lives much, much harder and said, “Let’s give him another chance.”

Idiots.

297 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 7:08:58am

Brownback’s Tax Policy May Be An Even Bigger Failure

Earlier this week it was revealed that the state of Kansas may miss revenue goals by $1 billion over the next two years under Governor Sam Brownback’s economic regime, but it may be even worse than that according to analysis from The Upshot at the New York Times.

Apparently the estimates released by the state may be a bit too optimistic.


Kansas: Here Come the Spending Cuts

These are the actions Brownback will take to fill holes in the current budget for the fiscal year, but this only the beginning of the state’s problems.

Brownback’s plan is to cut taxes each year between now and 2018 and current projections show that Kansas will fall short of its revenue goals by over $1 billion over the next two years alone. And it could be even worse than that.

Brownback’s budget director, Shawn Sullivan, says they do not plan to revisit the governor’s tax cuts and, if they hold true to that, the state can look forward to massive spending cuts every single year that his policy remains in place and beyond that.

This is fiscal responsibility?
Lol.

298 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 7:09:24am

re: #274 A Mom Anon

What a shock. My own marriage of 36 years looked to be sinking a little over a year ago. In our case it was because we had put so much of our focus on our autistic son that we’d become strangers and both of us behaved badly at the realization. We separated for a bit more than a year to give ourselves some time to decide whether or not we really did want to continue on and, if so, what we’d change. That came at it’s own cost because because we’re far from wealthy. It worked, so far. We’re happy to be together again and although our son must remain a focus we’re absolutely taking time for each other and we’re talking openly and honestly about what’s going on between us every day.

I wish for you clarity and courage going forward.

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 7:09:29am

re: #294 Varek Raith

Lol, ‘Dynamic Scoring’.
What bullshit.
If reality doesn’t show what you want, fudge the numbers!

They’re not “fudging” the numbers, just unskewing them!
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300 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 7:10:31am

Father and son arrested after shootout with cops in WVa had two bodies in truck.

Two men were arrested after one of them allegedly shot two West Virginia police officers during a traffic stop in Lewisburg Thursday — and then were found to be transporting two dead bodies in their vehicle, authorities said.

The suspects are reportedly a father and son from Texas, with the father being the shooter, according to NBC affiliate WVVA. The names of the men arrested were not released, and the Lewisburg police officers were wounded and expected to survive, West Virginia State Police said.

The officers were shot after they pulled over a sport-utility vehicle with stolen license plates at 4 p.m. on Interstate 64, and a red Chevrolet pickup truck that might have been following that car pulled over as well, police said.

The driver of the pickup pulled out a handgun and shot both officers, police said. Donna Hinkle, director of administration at the Greenbrier County 911 Center, told NBC News that one was shot in the ribs but was wearing a bulletproof vest, and the other was grazed.

One of the officers returned fire and wounded the driver of the SUV, the alleged shooter’s son, in the leg.

Oh, these two seem real nice.

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 7:10:59am

re: #297 Varek Raith

Brownback’s Tax Policy May Be An Even Bigger Failure


Kansas: Here Come the Spending Cuts

This is fiscal responsibility?
Lol.

Will take a couple of years for the infrastructure damage to be clear to the citizens of the state. By then Brownback and his cronies will be gone, with their pockets well lined.
(spit)

302 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 7:11:54am

re: #296 Mattand

And Brownback couldn’t get it done without a legislature that was just as economically illiterate as Brownback is. So, it’s a compounding of a governor who is destroying the Kansas budget along with a legislature that is complicit in the destruction.

303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 7:12:27am

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

304 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 7:13:47am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

Loads for me.

305 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 7:14:40am

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

Loads for me.

OK. Then it’s a problem on my end, more than likely.

Bleah.

Thanks!

306 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 7:15:01am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

Loaded very quickly for me.

307 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 7:16:18am

re: #297 Varek Raith

The whole notion is that the budget shortfalls demand budget cuts, and he’s feeding the whole notion that the government spending needs to be sliced and diced, but it’s a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Cut taxes, invite shortfall, demanding budget cuts.

Rinse and repeat.

That’s the entire plan, no matter the consequences to public education (which the courts have already found insufficient), or that revenue projections continue falling short because tax cuts are not causing any job creation or new revenues to offset the tax cuts.

308 nicdanger  Jan 2, 2015 7:16:42am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It loads here in Socal fairly quick.

309 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 7:17:07am

re: #306 Sionainn

Loaded very quickly for me.

What’s strange is other sites load fairly quickly, but mine just drags and drags.

310 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 7:18:28am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

Loaded quickly for me here in SoCal. Links on the page loaded quickly as well. Ping times are a bit high, 70-100ms.

311 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 7:19:39am

re: #307 lawhawk

The whole notion is that the budget shortfalls demand budget cuts, and he’s feeding the whole notion that the government spending needs to be sliced and diced, but it’s a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Cut taxes, invite shortfall, demanding budget cuts.

Rinse and repeat.

That’s the entire plan, no matter the consequences to public education (which the courts have already found insufficient), or that revenue projections continue falling short because tax cuts are not causing any job creation or new revenues to offset the tax cuts.

312 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 7:21:07am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

Loaded quick here in the Czech Republic.

313 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 7:21:42am

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

What’s strange is other sites load fairly quickly, but mine just drags and drags.

China’s Great Firewall hates you. : )

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 7:22:32am

re: #313 Higgs Boson’s Mate

China’s Great Firewall hates you. : )

Or the Great Stone Dragon is sitting on his series of tubes.
/

315 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 7:23:21am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

The Dems have kept that sort of class war rhetoric up ass end of forever. When Republicans are sharp they can defeat it by speaking to opportunity and making sure people have a chance to move up and prosper rather than being weighed down by the morass of government excess.

If the Dems want to use A Tale of Two Cities, Republicans should be proud to be prosperous and traditional London in that example, and leave the Dems the role of chaotic, poor, and murderous revolutionary Paris.

LOLWUT? It really sounds like you are living in a world that doesn’t exist.

316 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 7:24:21am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

Loaded here with no issues.

317 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 7:24:34am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

Loaded real quick for me.

318 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 7:25:59am

re: #314 Feline Fearless Leader

Or the Great Stone Dragon is sitting on his series of tubes.
/

Ouch!

319 Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2015 7:28:20am

re: #307 lawhawk

The whole notion is that the budget shortfalls demand budget cuts, and he’s feeding the whole notion that the government spending needs to be sliced and diced, but it’s a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Cut taxes, invite shortfall, demanding budget cuts.

Rinse and repeat.

That’s the entire plan, no matter the consequences to public education (which the courts have already found insufficient), or that revenue projections continue falling short because tax cuts are not causing any job creation or new revenues to offset the tax cuts.

In other words, it’s a rather perfect window into a world where the GOP succeeded in passing the “Balanced Budget Amendment.”

320 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 7:29:01am

re: #314 Feline Fearless Leader

Or the Great Stone Dragon is sitting on his series of tubes.
/

Maybe Wheat’s low on 氣.

321 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 7:29:21am

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

What’s strange is other sites load fairly quickly, but mine just drags and drags.

That’s really weird.

322 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 7:30:45am

I restarted Firefox, and that helped a little.

323 Snarknado!  Jan 2, 2015 7:32:30am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Some link on the page doesn’t want to load quickly, but the page itself gave no problems here (Northern CA).

324 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 7:32:55am

Eat less chikin:

Chick-Fil-A has admitted that it’s “received reports of potential unusual activity involving payment cards used at a few of our restaurants.” Further reports suggest that the fast food chain is the common link in the loss of 9,000 sets of card details.

LINK to Gizmodo Item

325 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 2, 2015 7:33:28am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can someone here do me a favor and try to load my website wheatdogg.com? It’s been loading incredibly slowly all day, and I need to know if it’s a China problem, or something server based.

Thanks.

A little slow not bad….

326 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 2, 2015 7:33:39am

good morning Fellow Lizards and Happy New Year!

327 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 7:34:23am

re: #325 Rightwingconspirator

A little slow not bad….

Thanks. I’ll examine things and see if I can pinpoint the slowdown.

328 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 7:35:11am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I restarted Firefox, and that helped a little.

I see that with Firefox v34 and pages with Flash-based ads on them. Massive crawl as it loads, and the Flash Player often crashes and then all the tabs are slow for a while. :p

Happens often enough I’m thinking of migrating over to Google Chrome.

329 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 7:36:51am

re: #328 Feline Fearless Leader

I see that with Firefox v34 and pages with Flash-based ads on them. Massive crawl as it loads, and the Flash Player often crashes and then all the tabs are slow for a while. :p

Happens often enough I’m thinking of migrating over to Google Chrome.

I don’t run AdBlock on my own sites, so I can see what everyone else sees, but the slowdown affects the admin pages, too. So, something is up.

330 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 7:37:39am

re: #208 #FergusonFireside

[Embedded content]

Before they built the city I live in the area was called Pile of Bones because of all the Bison bones.

331 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 7:47:10am

re: #329 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I don’t run AdBlock on my own sites, so I can see what everyone else sees, but the slowdown affects the admin pages, too. So, something is up.

I had the same problems because of an unfinished update. I had to shut down and restart my server to clear it up.

332 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 7:51:43am

re: #329 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I don’t run AdBlock on my own sites, so I can see what everyone else sees, but the slowdown affects the admin pages, too. So, something is up.

The activity spinner doesn’t stop on your site.

333 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 7:54:25am

Did this thread die?

334 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 7:55:08am

Ha. Now I can post without my pants on.

335 Snarknado!  Jan 2, 2015 7:56:10am

re: #334 b_sharp

Ha. Now I can post without my pants on.

Eeeeek.

336 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 2, 2015 7:57:14am

Central California is in a dust bowl condition. Water tables are down 100 feet. The land is sinking a foot a year. Farmers are changing to less thirsty crops. It’s a slow moving disaster. Paged, Wonderful big article by the LA Times.

337 WhatEVs  Jan 2, 2015 8:03:09am

re: #300 lawhawk

Father and son arrested after shootout with cops in WVa had two bodies in truck.

Oh, these two seem real nice.

That’s the oddest story of the new year.

I hate to admit that I’m curious as hell as to why this elderly couple was killed and how these mental midgets from TX wound up in WV shooting at the cops.

And gotta love the comments. Straight away it’s Who’s black? Who’s white? And, it’s OBAMA, HOLDER, SHARPTON fault!!!11!!

America, I weep for thee.

338 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 8:03:17am

re: #334 b_sharp

Ha. Now I can post without my pants on.

Oh please, like you ever had any pants on to begin with.

339 WhatEVs  Jan 2, 2015 8:06:44am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I restarted Firefox, and that helped a little.

See how it behaves in Chrome or Pale Moon. Or IE if you really want to punish yourself. :-)

340 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 8:08:15am

re: #339 WhatEVs

See how it behaves in Chrome or Pale Moon. Or IE if you really want to punish yourself. :-)

Loaded up IE11 and it loads the page just fine.

341 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 8:09:17am

re: #339 WhatEVs

See how it behaves in Chrome or Pale Moon. Or IE if you really want to punish yourself. :-)

I checked with Chrome. Same results. The pages load, but very slowly. I’ll send a support request to my webhost. Maybe they can provide some insights.

342 palomino  Jan 2, 2015 8:13:23am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

No, its mostly Dems fault because the fires of class warfare burned hotter when the Dems got too close to the far left in the late 1960’s-early 1970’s. They had pulled away from the crazies by 1984, but it of course made no difference, as Walter Mondale lacked Mario Cuomo’s rhetorical gifts and the improving economy and military gave Ronald Reagan a very strong position

Today, the Dems still flirt with the hard left at times (as witness Bill de Blasio) and their anti-business diatribes continue to hand Republicans switches with which the elephant can flog the donkey (holding the switch with its trunk, of course).

New year, same old shit from you. Regulating Wall Street isn’t anti-business. And your Limbaugh-esque use of the term class warfare is mindless partisan hack work.

I would refer you to the words of America’s greatest modern day capitalist, Warren Buffet: “Sure there’s class warfare…and my class is winning, as we always do.” He actually meant that as a humorous critique of right wing economic thought. He’s a super-rich guy willing to criticize the other super-rich. Whereas you’re a non-rich guy unwilling to criticize the rich, but quite willing to kiss their asses and carry rhetorical water for them. What a sad and oblivious little tool you are.

343 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 8:14:37am

re: #341 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I checked with Chrome. Same results. The pages load, but very slowly. I’ll send a support request to my webhost. Maybe they can provide some insights.

When in doubt, blame Comcast.
/

344 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 8:18:45am

re: #343 Varek Raith

When in doubt, blame Comcast.
/

Never had to suffer Comcast service.

345 Varek Raith  Jan 2, 2015 8:20:12am

re: #344 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Never had to suffer Comcast service.

All you need to know;
washingtonpost.com

346 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 8:20:13am

re: #341 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I checked with Chrome. Same results. The pages load, but very slowly. I’ll send a support request to my webhost. Maybe they can provide some insights.

If you’re able to run Traceroute you might want to append the results of a Tracerout from your PC to your website to the support request. If those of us here are not having problems loading your page then the culprit is likely one of the routers between you and it.

347 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 8:21:17am

re: #346 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If you’re able to run Traceroute you might want to append the results of a Tracerout from your PC to your website to the support request. If those of us here are not having problems loading your page then the culprit is likely one of the routers between you and it.

Good idea. I’ll give it a try.

348 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 8:28:03am

My pages are loading fast out here in HI: longest hop is 65ms.

That’s because I’ve had some Kona coffee and I’m awesome.

349 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 8:29:43am

The other day I was having some issues: pages would load fast initially, but hang and take forever to load remaining elements. Took a router reboot to resolve. Don’t know if it was my router or ISP.

I didn’t have Kona coffee that day… coincidence?

350 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 8:34:30am

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Good idea. I’ll give it a try.

First part of the slowdowns are in China, with backbone routers. So, the censors must be in high gear analyzing traffic for some reason. Second set of slowdowns are stateside, beginning with atlas.cogentco.com and onward till tracert reaches my site. Each router hit takes at least 200 ms, and there are no less than 12 hops between the first China backbone router and my site.

So, pretty weird shit.

351 dell*nix  Jan 2, 2015 8:34:32am

re: #214 Single-handed sailor

Storm is one hell of a good singer and has a wild sense of humor.

352 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 8:36:24am

Saw the new Annie yesterday. You know who doesn’t care that Annie (2014) is black? Kids.

353 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 8:36:42am

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I have 12 hops too. But the Obummer Censors are many more efficients.

354 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2015 8:39:20am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

You’re using Bill DeBlasio as evidence that the “Left” is courting the “far Left”? Seriously dude? What he stated about his black kid having to be careful around cops was simple fact. It’s this attitude of yours that feeds the far RIGHT. And they are far far more dangerous to this country than your perceived boogeyman, those OWS kids, who by and large, just want social justice. For everyone.

355 Timothy Watson  Jan 2, 2015 8:45:04am

re: #352 Franklin

Saw the new Annie yesterday. You know who doesn’t care that Annie (2014) is black? Kids.

I wish I had a clip from the first episode of Boston Legal, one of the plots for the episode is a lawsuit against a production company for not casting a black Annie, the episode even features Al Sharpton.

356 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 8:45:08am

re: #354 GlutenFreeJesus

Dafuq is that from DF?

‘Hard left’ is evil
‘Class warfare’ = any talk about income equality or disparity

Fascist dog whistles.

357 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 8:46:35am

re: #356 BigPapa

Dafuq is that from DF?

‘Hard left’ is evil
‘Class warfare’ = any talk about income equality or disparity

Fascist dog whistles.

What is “hard left” anyway?

358 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 8:47:56am

re: #357 Sionainn

What is “hard left” anyway?

HURR HURR COMMUNISTS!!!!!!!

359 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 8:49:20am

re: #352 Franklin

Saw the new Annie yesterday. You know who doesn’t care that Annie (2014) is black? Kids.

They also won’t care if Bond is black, or Thor is a girl.

360 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 8:49:36am

re: #354 GlutenFreeJesus

You’re using Bill DeBlasio as evidence that the “Left” is courting the “far Left”? Seriously dude? What he stated about his black kid having to be careful around cops was simple fact. It’s this attitude of yours that feeds the far RIGHT. And they are far far more dangerous to this country than your perceived boogeyman, those OWS kids, who by and large, just want social justice. For everyone.

What far Left? The so-called far Left has been so marginalized by the Democratic party that it has about as much influence on American politics as the daytime temperature on the surface of Neptune. Although the Republicans are certainly assholes they do know how to co-opt the most committed and energetic elements of their fringe. And it fucking works.

361 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 8:49:53am

re: #358 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR COMMUNISTS!!!!!!!

Do we really have people who still freak out about communists?

362 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 8:51:25am

re: #354 GlutenFreeJesus

You’re using Bill DeBlasio as evidence that the “Left” is courting the “far Left”? Seriously dude? What he stated about his black kid having to be careful around cops was simple fact. It’s this attitude of yours that feeds the far RIGHT. And they are far far more dangerous to this country than your perceived boogeyman, those OWS kids, who by and large, just want social justice. For everyone.

I’m not talking about what de Blasio said to his kid, I’m talking about how he campaigned and how he has tried to govern. How the man raises his son is his business.

363 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 8:52:38am

re: #361 Sionainn

Do we really have people who still freak out about communists?

All the time at #tcot

364 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 8:53:05am

re: #362 Dark_Falcon

I’m not talking about what de Blasio said to his kid, I’m talking about how he campaigned and how he has tried to govern. How the man raises his son is his business.

What exactly has de Blasio done that is so horrible?

365 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 8:53:05am

re: #359 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

They also won’t care if Bond is black, or Thor is a girl.

That second is more problematic, if only because a key point for Thor is his interaction with Loki, and the relationship between two brother is different than the relationship between a brother and sister.

366 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 8:54:34am

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

All the time at #tcot

I just don’t get it.

367 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 8:55:10am

re: #364 Sionainn

What exactly has de Blasio done that is so horrible?

I’d start with his attempted anti-charter school drive, which only was ended because Gov. Cuomo outmaneuvered him, and his dumb crusade against the Central Park carriages.

368 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2015 8:55:24am

re: #360 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Exactly my point! Bingo!

369 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 2, 2015 8:56:54am

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

That second is more problematic, if only because a key point for Thor is his interaction with Loki, and the relationship between two brother is different than the relationship between a brother and sister.

Unless they make Loki female too. Haha! Checkmate!
/

370 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2015 8:57:20am

re: #362 Dark_Falcon

Right. “Anti-business diatribes”. Bullshit.

371 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 8:57:53am

re: #357 Sionainn

What is “hard left” anyway?

The Epitome of Evil. You don’t need to know what is, just that it’s evil.

372 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 8:58:22am

re: #361 Sionainn

Do we really have people who still freak out about communists?

The names of some ideologies, communism and socialism for example, have been transformed by the right into simple pejoratives. Ask most of those who use them in that way to explain the principles of communism or socialism and if they respond at all you’ll get, “Democrats, Obama, and ‘Keep the government out of my Social Security.’”

373 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 8:58:54am

re: #369 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Unless they make Loki female too. Haha! Checkmate!
/

It would still be different, but that’s not to say it would be worse.

374 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 8:59:19am

re: #369 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Unless they make Loki female too. Haha! Checkmate!
/

And I can imagine what an upset Odin would say to the two of them.
/

375 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 9:00:22am

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

I’d start with his attempted anti-charter school drive, which only was ended because Gov. Cuomo outmaneuvered him, and his dumb crusade against the Central Park carriages.

I’m not a fan of charter schools. Don’t really care one way or the other about Central Park carriages. That’s for the locals to decide if they want to continue to have them or ban them.

Doesn’t seem like there’s much there to dislike him so strongly. Another thing I don’t get, I guess.

376 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 9:01:50am

re: #361 Sionainn

Do we really have people who still freak out about communists?

Yes. And black people, Muslims, wimmensfolk, and teh gheys.

377 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 9:03:03am

re: #376 BigPapa

Yes. And black people, Muslims, wimmensfolk, and teh gheys.

Only when they get uppity.

378 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 9:04:45am

re: #377 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Only when they get uppity.

Oh yes, duly noted.

379 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 2, 2015 9:08:06am

re: #374 Feline Fearless Leader

And I can imagine what an upset Odin would say to the two of them.
/

“You girls both need to get all of those silly ideas out of your little heads and marry a nice demigod.”

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2015 9:12:21am

re: #357 Sionainn

What is “hard left” anyway?

Turn 4 at the Bristol Racetrack.

381 WhatEVs  Jan 2, 2015 9:12:46am

re: #359 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

They also won’t care if Bond is black, or Thor is a girl.

And anyone who’s seen Luther (or any of his other work) could totally see Idris Elba as Bond.

382 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 9:14:10am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

Turn 4 at the Bristol Racetrack.

Leave Sarah Palin’s idiot daughter out of this!

//

383 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 9:16:22am

re: #381 WhatEVs

And anyone who’s seen Luther (or any of his other work) could totally see Idris Elba as Bond.

Actually, given the world goes a black man would be a poor choice for a secret agent outside of Africa. Especially in the US where guards who might let a white man by would stop and frisk a black man.

384 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 9:17:18am

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Actually, given the world goes a black man would be a poor choice for a secret agent outside of Africa. Especially in the US where guards who might let a white man by would stop and frisk a black man.

If James Bond was anything like real life he would be driving a Ford Mondeo, not a pimped out Aston Martin.

385 Snarknado!  Jan 2, 2015 9:19:08am

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Actually, given the world goes a black man would be a poor choice for a secret agent outside of Africa. Especially in the US where guards who might let a white man by would stop and frisk a black man.

I have no trouble with movies showing the world as it should be, rather than what it is.

386 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 9:20:10am

How is it?

387 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 9:20:32am

re: #386 FemNaziBitch

How is it?

It’s something alright.

388 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 9:20:59am

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

I’d start with his attempted anti-charter school drive, which only was ended because Gov. Cuomo outmaneuvered him, and his dumb crusade against the Central Park carriages.

Let’s be clear about this:

The current turmoil in NYC isn’t over charter schools and horse carriages. It’s because the NYPD is basically saying they answer to no one but themselves, and the mayor had the audacity to point out that even his son is a potential harassment (or something much, much worse) victim due to skin color.

389 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 9:22:47am

re: #388 Mattand

Also, the NYPD has made it clear through the Eric Garner incident that they will use deadly force for the most trivial of crimes.

390 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 9:24:52am

re: #384 The Vicious Babushka

If James Bond was anything like real life he would be driving a Ford Mondeo, not a pimped out Aston Martin.

Or Harry Palmer.

391 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 9:25:06am

WTFITS?

392 BigPapa  Jan 2, 2015 9:32:12am

re: #391 Franklin

WTFITS?

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Dafuq? Wowzers.

393 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 9:36:59am

re: #391 Franklin

WTFITS?

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Indiana University —no surprise

394 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 9:37:14am

re: #387 Franklin

It’s something alright.

Yeah, it sure is.

395 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 9:39:28am

re: #388 Mattand

Let’s be clear about this:

The current turmoil in NYC isn’t over charter schools and horse carriages. It’s because the NYPD is basically saying they answer to no one but themselves, and the mayor had the audacity to point out that even his son is a potential harassment (or something much, much worse) victim due to skin color.

Yes, and some of what is being reported isn’t too comforting.

Pages --Kita
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396 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 9:49:14am

Speaking of a Conservatives disillusionment with the American Myth of Goodness and Godliness … .

Remember this movie?

Missing-Trailer

What is so well portrayed by Jack Lemon is the slow descent from ardent believe and defense of the American Myth to a quivering, begging, broken father just wanting to know what happened to his child.

In the end, he rallies and sues Henry Kissinger. A revived hope in the Dream, but much less in the realm of blind faith.

I have been reminded of this a lot lately.

Widow of Missing’s Chilean coup victim carries on her fight for justice

397 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 9:52:05am

The two men who shot at WVa Police have now been identified, as have the 2 victims found in the back of their truck.

Eric Campbell, 21 and his father, Edward Campbell, 54, face charges of attempted murder and malicious assault, said West Virginia State Police spokesman Lt. Michael Baylous. Both men were last known to be living in Texas.

The pair were arrested following a traffic stop on Interstate 64 near the Lewisburg exit at around 4 p.m. Thursday, Baylous said.

Lewisburg police officers Jeromy Dove and Nicholas Sams pulled over a white Chevrolet SUV that was reported stolen from North Carolina. When the officers pulled over the SUV, a red Chevrolet pickup truck also pulled off of the road, Baylous said.

A man in the truck allegedly pulled a gun and fired at both city police officers, hitting them both, Baylous said.

One of the officers returned fire, striking Edward Campbell in the leg, Baylous said. He said Edward Campbell fled on foot, and Eric Campbell, who had allegedly been driving the SUV, sped off in the red pickup truck. Baylous said Eric Campbell drove into a wooded area near the interstate and hid, but gave himself up to police a short time later. Both Eric and Edward Campbell were arrested without further incident.

While searching the truck, police found two dead bodies hidden under a mattress in the back. Authorities have identified them as Jerome Faulkner, 73, and his wife, Dora, 62. Their home in Granville County, North Carolina, was burned earlier Thursday and their SUV stolen, authorities said.

The two officers are still hospitalized, but are expected to make full recoveries.

There are still plenty of questions that have yet to be answered about this duo’s intentions and what else these two may have done.

398 Eventual Carrion  Jan 2, 2015 9:55:31am

re: #397 lawhawk

The two men who shot at WVa Police have now been identified, as have the 2 victims found in the back of their truck.

The two officers are still hospitalized, but are expected to make full recoveries.

There are still plenty of questions that have yet to be answered about this duo’s intentions and what else these two may have done.

Freaking scumbags.

399 Semper Fi  Jan 2, 2015 9:55:45am

Day 2 of the New Year and I hope it proves to be a happy and healthy year for everyone.
I don’t follow all the threads but wanted to inquire about Hoops who I haven’t seen in some time. All ok?

400 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 9:56:47am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

No, its mostly Dems fault because the fires of class warfare burned hotter when the Dems got too close to the far left in the late 1960’s-early 1970’s. They had pulled away from the crazies by 1984, but it of course made no difference, as Walter Mondale lacked Mario Cuomo’s rhetorical gifts and the improving economy and military gave Ronald Reagan a very strong position

Today, the Dems still flirt with the hard left at times (as witness Bill de Blasio) and their anti-business diatribes continue to hand Republicans switches with which the elephant can flog the donkey (holding the switch with its trunk, of course).

You really think social justice = anti-business?

Wanting to use the a centralized government to administer entitlements does not equal communism.

Like it or not those who are really, really good a Capitalism have made conditions that make it impossible for a great many of the common people to EARN A LIVING WAGE.

They continue to cry TAXES AND REGULATIONS, when in fact we have lower taxes than most of hour history and fewer regulations than CATO and Heritage would lead you to believe.

And with that, those who are really, really greedy nearly ruined the word’s economy.

Don’t give me your anti-business memorized bullshit.

Those who are really, really good a capitalism will do whatever it takes to lower wages, create monopolies and write regulations to suit there bottom line.

No one economic system is the most just. No human can be trusted not to make conditions best for themselves.

One in thirty children are homeless in America. IN AMERICA!

Blaming the parents doesn’t cut it.

401 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 9:57:34am

re: #274 A Mom Anon

{{{{{A Mom Anon}}}}}

402 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2015 10:00:32am

re: #397 lawhawk

The two men who shot at WVa Police have now been identified, as have the 2 victims found in the back of their truck.

The two officers are still hospitalized, but are expected to make full recoveries.

There are still plenty of questions that have yet to be answered about this duo’s intentions and what else these two may have done.

Mugshots show son’s face got rearranged.

403 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 10:00:46am

#tcot are all laughing themselves stupid over Harry Reid’s injuries. Stay classy wingnuts.

404 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:00:50am

re: #357 Sionainn

What is “hard left” anyway?

It’s when you have to do a you-eee at the intersection.

405 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:01:18am

re: #361 Sionainn

Do we really have people who still freak out about communists?

OMG! You have nooooo idea.

406 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 10:01:21am

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mugshots show son’s face got rearranged.

Why did I already know it was white guys?

407 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 10:03:58am

re: #406 The Vicious Babushka

Why did I already know it was white guys?

How much you wanna bet they’re sovereign citizen types?

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. Anytime I hear about someone getting into a shootout with the police, “sovereign citizen” is my first thought.

408 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:06:00am

re: #407 Dr Lizardo

How much you wanna bet they’re sovereign citizen types?

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. Anytime I hear about someone getting into a shootout with the police, “sovereign citizen” is my first thought.

I haven’t heard of any jihadi dark skin types being in a shoot out with police on domestic soil lately, have you?

But I guess Islamists are the greatest threat to the US that ever was or will be.

*spit*

409 Timothy Watson  Jan 2, 2015 10:06:44am

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mugshots show son’s face got rearranged.

Chris Tucker has words on this:
you got knocked the fuck out, man

410 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:08:14am

re: #409 Timothy Watson

Chris Tucker has words on this:
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Chris Tucker is a wonderful Talent!

411 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 10:10:39am

re: #408 FemNaziBitch

I haven’t heard of any jihadi dark skin types being in a shoot out with police on domestic soil lately, have you?

But I guess Islamists are the greatest threat to the US that ever was or will be.

*spit*

Yeah……oddly enough, the shootouts I hear about are almost universally sovereign citizen types.

In my darker moments, I think the government shoulda cracked down hard on the Bundy Ranch numbnuts. But then again, it would’ve made martyrs out of morons.

412 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:12:27am

Mondeo vs. Astin Martin?

Really?

413 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 10:13:34am

re: #407 Dr Lizardo

How much you wanna bet they’re sovereign citizen types?

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. Anytime I hear about someone getting into a shootout with the police, “sovereign citizen” is my first thought.

Sovereign citizen or not - there’s nothing in that philosophy that asserts that murdering a couple, stealing their car, and burning their house down are positive activities.

414 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 10:14:29am

re: #412 FemNaziBitch

Mondeo vs. Astin Martin?

Really?

Actually I think if James Bond was more like real life the govt might spring for a Ford Focus, Mondeo is too upscale.

415 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 10:15:00am

re: #413 Feline Fearless Leader

Sovereign citizen or not - there’s nothing in that philosophy that asserts that murdering a couple, stealing their car, and burning their house down are positive activities.

True, that. These two could well be just your run-of-the-mill scuzzbuckets.

416 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:15:08am

re: #389 Mattand

Also, the NYPD has made it clear through the Eric Garner incident that they will use deadly force for the most trivial of crimes.

To be fair, though, the officer who used a chokehold on Garner was not trying to kill him. He screwed up badly, and ought to lose his job (he should get a short prison sentence, but that’s not going to happen) but his intent was not lethal.

417 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:15:13am

“class warfare”

“anti business”

republicans think they can change facts with a little spin

hey - that hitler guy is a fellow “anti communist” - if you say anything bad about him, you must be a communist

and those evil “wage pressures” from lazy undeserving workers who want to harm our precious millionaires economy by presuming to ask for a raise or more benefits

how dare they, i say - how dare they!

418 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:16:42am

Number Of Homeless Children In America Surges To All-Time High: Report

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The number of homeless children in the U.S. has surged in recent years to an all-time high, amounting to one child in every 30, according to a comprehensive state-by-state report that blames the nation’s high poverty rate, the lack of affordable housing and the impacts of pervasive domestic violence.

Titled “America’s Youngest Outcasts,” the report being issued Monday by the National Center on Family Homelessness calculates that nearly 2.5 million American children were homeless at some point in 2013. The number is based on the Department of Education’s latest count of 1.3 million homeless children in public schools, supplemented by estimates of homeless pre-school children not counted by the DOE.

419 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 10:16:53am

re: #274 A Mom Anon

Hi there scaly ones!! Did you miss me? Probably not, but too bad. I’m back. Kind of.

First off, Happy 2015. Let’s hope it sucks less for everyone. I haven’t been around to read how everyone is doing, I’ve just picked up little things by skimming through a few threads. Please take care of yourselves and accept a gentle (((hug))) from me and mine if you wish.

I was off fighting to save my marriage. It looks like I succeeded in bringing The Husband back to solid ground, but there’s lots of damage and mess to clean up (his doing, OMG, I want to strangle him). I don’t get male bonding, I really do not. Married guys, if you have lots of expensive single guy pursuits (Harleys, hunting, NASCAR, etc) and take ALL your vacation time and disposable income (and not disposable income, grrr OMG) and spend it on those things, your wife is going to eventually find out and plot your demise, or at least want to strangle you. She’s also been made into an obstacle to your happiness, which I’m fairly certain she didn’t sign up for. Ahem. And when you promised The Wife a trip of a lifetime for an anniversary and she can’t go because you have an expensive bromance with some idiot friend of yours, let’s just say she’s going to either leave your silly ass or come up with some creative ways of getting your attention. Sigh. Really? Can I sit with the grownups now? Please? And do not get me started on barely participating as a parent. Gah.

The Kid is about to start a new job program, so there’s my good news. He’s been lonely and sad over the holidays, not sure what his parents are going to do about things, not having friends his age to hang with, etc. He’s the best kid ever. He told me the other day he thought I was so beautiful I could be a model(after seeing me dressed up ready to go out, in an actual dress for once) and he would be my agent and help me build self confidence. What 20 yr old kid says that to his mom? My son, that’s who.

Not sure what the new year holds or will bring. Could be a divorce after 22 yrs, but The Husband seems willing to work on things so it won’t come to that- I’m guardedly optimistic. Could be a kid moving out, we’ll see how his job program goes and if he will have room to move forward and earn more than minimum wage and become more confident about driving. Could be a little business I’m trying to start will take wing, I hope so. I’ve created my own formula for an all natural skin salve I’m making in my kitchen. I’ve sold a few, given some away, everyone loves it. Now I have to find commercial grade containers, labels and make up some business cards and the like and work on finding customers.

I hope you all are well. I always miss this place when life gets in the way of me being here. Much love and joy to all of you. For those struggling with anything, I’m there in the trenches with you, let’s keep fighting for what’s worth it and say “fuck it” to what isn’t. (((hugs all around)))

{{{ Mom }}}

420 Timothy Watson  Jan 2, 2015 10:17:26am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, the officer who used a chokehold on Garner was not trying to kill him. He screwed up badly, and ought to lose his job (he should get a short prison sentence, but that’s not going to happen) but his intent was not lethal.

All cops are taught that using a choke hold = deadly force.

421 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:18:06am

re: #413 Feline Fearless Leader

Sovereign citizen or not - there’s nothing in that philosophy that asserts that murdering a couple, stealing their car, and burning their house down are positive activities.

Indeed. These are more likely to be standard-variety slimeballs. ‘Sovereign citizens’ do try to take people’s houses, but breaking into a house with people in it and killing them is not SovCit’s style.

422 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 10:18:42am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, the officer who used a chokehold on Garner was not trying to kill him. He screwed up badly, and ought to lose his job (he should get a short prison sentence, but that’s not going to happen) but his intent was not lethal.

His intent wasn’t lethal, but it was ‘listen you fuckin black bastard, do what the fuck I say or I’ll put you in your place!’.

423 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:20:39am

“soveriegn citizens”

ronald reagan assured them that the federal government is evil and illegitimate

424 Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2015 10:21:15am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, the officer who used a chokehold on Garner was not trying to kill him. He screwed up badly, and ought to lose his job (he should get a short prison sentence, but that’s not going to happen) but his intent was not lethal.

Dark, if he was a civie and not hiding behind his badge, his “intent” wouldn’t have kept his ass from being convicted on a reckless homicide charge. There’s a reason that chokeholds have been banned by NYPD policy.

425 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:21:37am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, the officer who used a chokehold on Garner was not trying to kill him. He screwed up badly, and ought to lose his job (he should get a short prison sentence, but that’s not going to happen) but his intent was not lethal.

To be fair, they didn’t give a shit.

Law Enforcement escalated the situation. They would have done whatever was necessary to make Garner submissive.

426 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 2, 2015 10:21:40am

re: #422 b_sharp

His intent wasn’t lethal, but it was ‘listen you fuckin black bastard, do what the fuck I say or I’ll put you in your place!’.

And still worthy of at least a trial for manslaughter.

427 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:22:34am

re: #422 b_sharp

His intent wasn’t lethal, but it was ‘listen you fuckin black bastard, do what the fuck I say or I’ll put you in your place!’.

I doubt he was thinking about Garner’s race too much, given that his on-scene supervising officer (sergeant or lieutenant, i forget which) was a black woman.

428 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:22:59am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

I doubt he was thinking about Garner’s race too mucht, given that his on-scene supervising officer (sergeant or lieutenant, i forget which) was a black woman.

You are truly delusional.

429 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:24:21am
430 The War TARDIS  Jan 2, 2015 10:24:27am

re: #375 Sionainn

Charter Schools are a scam.

431 BeachDem  Jan 2, 2015 10:24:28am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, the officer who used a chokehold on Garner was not trying to kill him. He screwed up badly, and ought to lose his job (he should get a short prison sentence, but that’s not going to happen) but his intent was not lethal.

And you know this how?

432 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:24:42am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

I doubt he was thinking about Garner’s race too mucht, given that his on-scene supervising officer (sergeant or lieutenant, i forget which) was a black woman.

i think maybe he might have been thinking about race even more than usual if say he resented her

433 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 10:25:12am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

I doubt he was thinking about Garner’s race too mucht, given that his on-scene supervising officer (sergeant or lieutenant, i forget which) was a black woman.

Whether or not he accepts blacks as equals has nothing to do with what race and gender his boss is.

434 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:25:33am

re: #431 BeachDem

And you know this how?

I’m guessing.

435 Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2015 10:25:58am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

I doubt he was thinking about Garner’s race too mucht, given that his on-scene supervising officer (sergeant or lieutenant, i forget which) was a black woman.

Where does this logic originate that if a black cop is present, then racism can’t be involved?

436 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 2, 2015 10:25:58am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

I doubt he was thinking about Garner’s race too mucht, given that his on-scene supervising officer (sergeant or lieutenant, i forget which) was a black woman.

so is that the police version of “I can’t be racist, I have black friends?”

437 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 10:27:02am

re: #404 FemNaziBitch

It’s when you have to do a you-eee at the intersection.

No, thats a Hahd-Left. Especially when on your way to the Packee.

438 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:27:58am

jeb

baggers will choke if forcefed oatmeal

439 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:29:35am

Actually, you could argue those who were clearly racist were the shopkeepers who called the cops on Garner, thinking that he must be selling untaxed cigarettes if he was hanging around.

440 Romantic Heretic  Jan 2, 2015 10:31:36am

re: #297 Varek Raith

Brownback’s Tax Policy May Be An Even Bigger Failure


Kansas: Here Come the Spending Cuts

This is fiscal responsibility?
Lol.

re: #301 Feline Fearless Leader

Will take a couple of years for the infrastructure damage to be clear to the citizens of the state. By then Brownback and his cronies will be gone, with their pockets well lined.
(spit)

As I’ve noted before the destruction of the system is what they want. When democracy ‘fails’ they can convince people to accept a more authoritarian political system.

By the time ‘The People’ realize they’ve been fucked over it will be too late.

441 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 10:31:45am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Actually, you could argue those who were clearly racist were the shopkeepers who called the cops on Garner, thinking that he must be selling untaxed cigarettes if he was hanging around.

Actually you could argue that racism existed in both the shopkeepers and the cops. That isn’t to say everyone there is racist, but enough were that a man died needlessly. It would have taken only two.

442 Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2015 10:32:57am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Actually, you could argue those who were clearly racist were the shopkeepers who called the cops on Garner, thinking that he must be selling untaxed cigarettes if he was hanging around.

And the cops could have displayed discretion by asking Garner if it was true, then moving on. Arresting the man on suspicion alone is a large part of the present problem in NYC, “broken windows” run amok.

443 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:36:13am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Actually, you could argue those who were clearly racist were the shopkeepers who called the cops on Garner, thinking that he must be selling untaxed cigarettes if he was hanging around.

ANYONE hanging around a shop is suspect.

Loitering outsite stores deters shoppers.

444 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:36:42am

one could just as convincingly argue that the cops were big government tax loving libberuls for the ‘enthusiasm’ with which they enforced the law against avoiding the cigarette tax

445 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:39:15am

re: #444 dog philosopher

Oh no, I’m not touching that one!

446 Kragar  Jan 2, 2015 10:40:41am

The various motorcycle club my Dad worked with are trying to get in touch with every bike owner he ever worked with to get them to add his club name to all their bikes.

447 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:41:29am

if the guy had been a white guy from the ‘heartland’, sarah palin would have staged a tee vee event where she sold untaxed cigatettes en sueltos in front of the white house and dared the police to put a chokehold on her

while sipping a supersized soft drink

448 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:43:56am

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

Oh no, I’m not touching that one!

since you’re a conservative, you ‘must’ oppose the evil socialist cigarette tax - eh?

449 Kragar  Jan 2, 2015 10:45:46am
450 Lidane  Jan 2, 2015 10:48:25am

O HAI! It’s lunchtime. Have today’s Outrage du Jour:

Obama eats at an expensive restaurant: “ZOMG TERRIBLE OPTICS!”

Obama eats at a local burger joint: “ZOMG INCONVENIENCING REGULAR PEOPLE!”

451 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:49:20am

re: #448 dog philosopher

since you’re a conservative, you ‘must’ oppose the evil socialist cigarette tax - eh?

It’s not a socialist tax, I might tell you. It’s a tax that falls harder on poor people, while middle and upper class people who travel can get cigarettes at lower prices from states with less tax.

452 Ace-o-aces  Jan 2, 2015 10:50:13am

WTF?

Is this a thing, or one of CCJs delusions?

453 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 10:50:24am

Ughhhh :(

John Crawford’s Girlfriend Killed in Car Crash

454 Kragar  Jan 2, 2015 10:52:16am
455 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:52:42am

The two biggest “scary foreign things” of 2014 have combined into one super scary 2015 story:

ISIS fighters ‘have contracted Ebola’: World Health Organisation investigating reports militants showed up at Iraqi hospital with lethal disease

The sick part is that the Daily Mail actually has better coverage of the fight against ISIS than CNN.

456 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2015 10:52:47am

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

So you’re against the harsh measures Republicans are placing on free clinics/Planned Parenthood as well. After all, poor people in need of those services can’t travel far, and that’s just wrong. Right?

457 Franklin  Jan 2, 2015 10:53:18am

re: #452 Ace-o-aces

WTF?

[Embedded content]

Is this a thing, or one of CCJs delusions?

If someone is buying up fake followers, UpDog should have an archive of the transactions. I would start there.

458 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:53:26am

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

It’s not a socialist tax, I might tell you. It’s a tax that falls harder on poor people, while middle and upper class people who travel can get cigarettes at lower prices from states with less tax.

oh but i was told by several people that were very confident about their grasp of political theory that the definition of socialism is “redustribution of income” so it should be obvious that all taxes are ipso facto socialist

hey - they seemed to think i was quite slow for not realizing how obvious this is

459 Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2015 10:53:26am

re: #450 Lidane

O HAI! It’s lunchtime. Have today’s Outrage du Jour:

[Embedded content]

Obama eats at an expensive restaurant: “ZOMG TERRIBLE OPTICS!”

Obama eats at a local burger joint: “ZOMG INCONVENIENCING REGULAR PEOPLE!”

Simpler:

Obamas do something expensive: HARHAR THEY’RE HYPOCRITE SOCIALISTS! WHAT DO YOU THINK OF YOUR MESSIAH, LEFTIES?!

Obamas do something ordinary/cheap: WHO DO THEY THINK THEY’RE FOOLING?! HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT INCONVENIENCED SO THEY COULD ACT POOR?!

460 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:53:29am

re: #456 GlutenFreeJesus

So you’re against the harsh measures Republicans are placing on free clinics/Planned Parenthood as well. After all, poor people in need of those services can’t travel far, and that’s just wrong. Right?

Correct.

461 A Cranky One  Jan 2, 2015 10:53:30am

re: #452 Ace-o-aces

WTF?

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Is this a thing, or one of CCJs delusions?

Well, his first delusion is that he and his work aren’t already discredited…

462 Dr. Matt  Jan 2, 2015 10:54:09am

re: #452 Ace-o-aces

463 Kragar  Jan 2, 2015 10:54:22am

re: #452 Ace-o-aces

464 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 10:55:16am

re: #458 dog philosopher

oh but i was told by several people that were very confident about their grasp of political theory that the definition of socialism is “redustribution of income” so it should be obvious that all taxes are ipso facto socialist

hey - they seemed to think i was quite slow for not realizing how obvious this is

The thing to remember here, ED, is that those were generic wingnuts and I’m not a generic wingnut. I’m conservative, to be sure, but not a wingnut.

465 Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2015 10:56:23am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

The two biggest “scary foreign things” of 2014 have combined into one super scary 2015 story:

ISIS fighters ‘have contracted Ebola’: World Health Organisation investigating reports militants showed up at Iraqi hospital with lethal disease

The sick part is that the Daily Mail actually has better coverage of the fight against ISIS than CNN.

I was reading that; it’s unconfirmed, but I’d venture that a big part of the reason its unconfirmed is that ISIS won’t allow international aid agencies or NGO’s (or the WHO, for that matter) into areas under their control.

Given their overall attitudes, I wouldn’t be at all surprised. That being said, I can also imagine that ISIS would employ some shall we say, ‘extreme’ containment measures.

466 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 10:58:39am

re: #458 dog philosopher

oh but i was told by several people that were very confident about their grasp of political theory that the definition of socialism is “redistribution of income” so it should be obvious that all taxes are ipso facto socialist

hey - they seemed to think i was quite slow for not realizing how obvious this is

That would be the Sovereign Citizen logic, IIRC.

467 dog philosopher  Jan 2, 2015 10:59:32am

re: #464 Dark_Falcon

The thing to remember here, ED, is that those were generic wingnuts and I’m not a generic wingnut. I’m conservative, to be sure, but not a wingnut.

yah i know DF but yanno i remember telling you before your nuanced positions put you in danger of being declared a liberal

468 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 11:01:15am

re: #463 Kragar

How long before the #TGDN flying monkeys swarn to Chuckles’ side? They always back a fellow poo-flinger.

469 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 11:01:24am

Someone Was Thinking Again!

470 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 11:01:55am

Sometimes I wish I had a third arm.

471 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 11:02:57am

There is also a Guitar Pick Punch.

472 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 11:03:01am

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

It’s not a socialist tax, I might tell you. It’s a tax that falls harder on poor people, while middle and upper class people who travel can get cigarettes at lower prices from states with less tax.

I don’t know who does that unless it’s back East where states are teeny and it doesn’t take long to go from one state to another. I don’t think that happens out west.

473 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 11:03:08am

re: #470 b_sharp

Sometimes I wish I had a third arm.

instead of a 3rd leg?

474 Kragar  Jan 2, 2015 11:05:25am
475 Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2015 11:06:26am
476 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 11:06:42am

re: #471 FemNaziBitch

There is also a Guitar Pick Punch.

I’ve decided I’m going to sell all my guitars and start selling aluminum picks.

477 b_sharp  Jan 2, 2015 11:07:00am

re: #473 FemNaziBitch

instead of a 3rd leg?

I’m tired of tripping over it.

478 Kragar  Jan 2, 2015 11:07:57am
479 KingKenrod  Jan 2, 2015 11:09:34am

re: #452 Ace-o-aces

WTF?

[Embedded content]

Is this a thing, or one of CCJs delusions?

I don’t follow him, but I see his tweets are now protected so I can’t read them unless I follow him…he’s up about 1,500 followers since yesterday, which is over a 10% bump.

I don’t know much about how twitter works, but it seems to me that if you protect your account, you would get a bump in followers from anonymous readers who want to keep viewing your tweets.

480 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 11:10:01am

re: #467 dog philosopher

yah i know DF but yanno i remember telling you before your nuanced positions put you in danger of being declared a liberal

Nuanced? All I did was to examine the effect of the tax. That it hits poor people hardest was printed in National Review, for Heaven’s sake.

I’m not a fan of ‘sin taxes’ but I feel that I should at least understand their effects.

481 Mattand  Jan 2, 2015 11:12:46am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, the officer who used a chokehold on Garner was not trying to kill him. He screwed up badly, and ought to lose his job (he should get a short prison sentence, but that’s not going to happen) but his intent was not lethal.

Oh, when you put it that way, it makes Eric Garner’s death not such a big deal after all.

Jesus Christ, dude…

482 Sionainn  Jan 2, 2015 11:12:52am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

The two biggest “scary foreign things” of 2014 have combined into one super scary 2015 story:

ISIS fighters ‘have contracted Ebola’: World Health Organisation investigating reports militants showed up at Iraqi hospital with lethal disease

The sick part is that the Daily Mail actually has better coverage of the fight against ISIS than CNN.

It’s the Daily Mail. There’s no confirmation that anything they reported is indeed fact.

483 A Cranky One  Jan 2, 2015 11:14:32am

re: #476 b_sharp

I’ve decided I’m going to sell all my guitars and start selling aluminum picks.

My spouse used to complain about how many guitars I own. She’d always say “you can only play one at a time so why do you need so many?”. So every concert we attended after that, she’d get a gentle elbow every time the guitarist changed guitars…now she doesn’t complain.

She also does show quality quilting. And I’d ask, how many sewing machines do you need, you can only use one at a time?

Marriage can be interesting ;)

484 Kragar  Jan 2, 2015 11:17:33am
485 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 11:23:13am

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

Nuanced? All I did was to examine the effect of the tax. That it hits poor people hardest was printed in National Review, for Heaven’s sake.

I’m not a fan of ‘sin taxes’ but I feel that I should at least understand their effects.

This is the thing with the RW publications.

1-They state a fact (problem of the human condition).
2-They commiserate in the emotion illicited by the fact.
3-They give an overview of likely causes
4-They show the negative aspects of any cause for which a resolution might involve public money.
4-They zero in on any cause for which the Individual Free Will was the sole reason for the fact to come about.
5-They give examples of said Individuals with Free Will who made choices that turned out badly for them.
6-They show outrage that those who used their Individual Free Will that found a bad outcome would want or expect their fellow taxpayers to give their money to help them.
7-The blame and turn their backs in justified moral outrage and a feeling of superiorty.

When, in fact, it’s all about I got mine, you sucker.

486 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 11:26:02am

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

Nuanced? All I did was to examine the effect of the tax. That it hits poor people hardest was printed in National Review, for Heaven’s sake.

I’m not a fan of ‘sin taxes’ but I feel that I should at least understand their effects.

So talking about Eric Garner and the tyranny of individual police officers and a system that promotes their behavior is minimized by and sidelined by
focusing on minute aspects of the case.

Sin Taxes?

Eric Garner was not a threat to the officers bodies or lives.

They escalated the situation.

The shopkeeper would have probably been happy if they gave Eric a Warning for Loitering and he went on his way.

Instead he died.

FOR FREAKING LOITERING.

487 Dark_Falcon  Jan 2, 2015 11:27:44am

re: #486 FemNaziBitch

“Sin tax’ is just a term used for taxes on alcohol, tobacco, and the like. I meant it to mean no more than that.

488 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 11:29:18am

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

“Sin tax’ is just a term used for taxes on alcohol, tobacco, and the like. I meant it to mean no more than that.

I know what sin tax is DF.

489 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2015 11:32:12am

re: #458 dog philosopher

oh but i was told by several people that were very confident about their grasp of political theory that the definition of socialism is “redustribution of income” so it should be obvious that all taxes are ipso facto socialist

hey - they seemed to think i was quite slow for not realizing how obvious this is

Wingnuts have an answer when I ask them, if redistribution of wealth is wrong, why don’t they speak out against the redistribution of wealth from the poor to the 1%

HURR HURR THAT’S THERE OWN MONEYS THAT THEY EARNED WITH THERE HARD WORKSE!!!!!!!!

490 FemNaziBitch  Jan 2, 2015 11:35:26am

re: #489 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts have an answer when I ask them, if redistribution of wealth is wrong, why don’t they speak out against the redistribution of wealth from the poor to the 1%

HURR HURR THAT’S THERE OWN MONEYS THAT THEY EARNED WITH THERE HARD WORKSE!!!!!!!!

If it goes up the Pyramid it is earned,

If it goes down it is Theft.

491 lawhawk  Jan 2, 2015 12:15:59pm

re: #465 Dr Lizardo

My understanding was that the claims that ISIL fighters had become infected with Ebola was originating in Kurdish areas of Iraq. This may be a play to get more international attention on fighting ISIL in Iraq, and to get more resources to the area, but it’s hard to determine whether anyone has Ebola or not when medical resources are limited, and there are several other diseases that have similar symptoms (malaria, Marburg, etc.).

492 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2015 12:54:45pm

re: #462 Dr. Matt

My sources within Twitter are telling me…

493 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2015 12:56:11pm

re: #460 Dark_Falcon

Yet you keep supporting that party.


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