And Now, a Tender Moment of Self-Beclownment Brought to You by TruthRevolt

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Sometimes I really love right wing journalism. Where else can you find such amusing self-beclownment on a regular basis, written by people with marginal command of the English language and no fact-checking skills at all? It’s some of the funniest stuff on the web (if you ignore the sheer hatefulness of so much of it).

Today’s example of this fine tradition of idiocy comes through TruthRevolt, Ben Shapiro’s lowest common denominator propaganda site for dolts, where they’re hilariously trying to defend Sarah Palin by attacking (who else?) Ellen Degeneres: When Ellen DeGeneres’s Kid Stood on a Dog, There Was No Liberal Outrage | Truth Revolt.

When Sarah Palin posted a New Year’s photo of her 6-year-old son Trig standing on the family dog to reach the sink with the offering of an inspirational message of turning an obstacle into a stepping stone, social media erupted in vile attacks against Palin for allowing such an “atrocity” to take place.

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However, when Ellen Degeneres posted the same photo of her daughter standing on their family’s dog to reach the sink back in July of 2014, no one cared:

TPNN [Tea Party News Network] points out that there were a few comments to Ellen’s talk show Facebook page that expressed disappointment and warned that the dog could become uncomfortable and possibly bite, but no one attacked the entertainer personally, and no one stooped to the level of pedophilia as they did in the instance above with Palin.

And the punch line to this inadvertent joke is … wait for it … Ellen Degeneres has no daughter! Boom! They just assumed the photo she posted at Facebook was of her own daughter. Fact-checking? What is that?

If you click the link to the “Tea Party News Network” (bwa haha!) you’ll see that they’re the numbskulls who originated this bone-headed error. TruthRevolt’s Trey Sanchez just parroted it like a good little wingnut propaganda spreader.

UPDATE at 1/3/15 2:22:58 pm by Charles Johnson

Look out, the truth is revolting! Clicking the link above now leads to this:

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119 comments
1 Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2015 2:00:37pm

What? Wingnut journalism fail? It can’t be!

*smh*

2 lawhawk  Jan 3, 2015 2:02:49pm

Fact checking, that’s for the new media to do and the lame-stream media to ignore. We fact check your ass, except when it’s too truthy to bother.

What a bunch of a-holes.

3 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 3, 2015 2:04:10pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Fact checking, that’s for the new media to do and the lame-stream media to ignore. We fact check your ass, except when it’s too truthy to bother.

What a bunch of a-holes.

Facts don’t matter. Just the narrative. Which tells you much in regards to their integrity, honesty, and desire to report the truth.

4 b.d.  Jan 3, 2015 2:04:38pm

The wingnuts must now be pissed that one of teh gays didn’t adopt.

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5 bratwurst  Jan 3, 2015 2:07:26pm

Classic!

6 HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2015 2:08:54pm

re: #5 bratwurst

Classic!

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Your Majority whip America. But this one isn’t a Duke fanboy so progress.//

7 RadicalModerate  Jan 3, 2015 2:09:53pm

Shapiro has already changed the title and wording of the article. Same Faux outrage though.

8 Ace-o-aces  Jan 3, 2015 2:11:10pm

I’m no fan of Palin’s, but this whole thing with Trig standing on the dog has been overblown. I doubt Trig is big enough to pin that dog down if it was really in pain.

9 RadicalModerate  Jan 3, 2015 2:15:11pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Your Majority whip America. But this one isn’t a Duke fanboy so progress.//

No, he just has some weird fetish about box turtles.

10 HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2015 2:16:18pm

re: #9 RadicalModerate

No, he just has some weird fetish about box turtles.

That was sarcasm but lol I do remember that whopper.

11 b.d.  Jan 3, 2015 2:18:55pm

Being a wingnut means never having to say you’re sorry:

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The requested page “/news/when-ellen-degeneress-kid-stood-dog-there-was-no-liberal-outrage” could not be found.

12 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 2:22:28pm
Happy New Year!

May 2015 see every stumbling block turned into a stepping stone on the path forward. Trig just reminded me. He, determined to help wash dishes with an oblivious mama not acknowledging his signs for “up!”, found me and a lazy dog blocking his way. He made his stepping stone.

- Sarah Palin

Well, there you go.

13 b.d.  Jan 3, 2015 2:23:14pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

Put me in the “meh” camp also but the schadenfreude of seeing her get some of her patented faux outrage thrown back at her is amusing.

14 Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2015 2:24:12pm
15 RadicalModerate  Jan 3, 2015 2:29:01pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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He’s changed the link and reworded the title and article.

donotlink.com

16 b.d.  Jan 3, 2015 2:29:42pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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I can’t believe Ben deleted it rather than taking the Chuck Johnson way out: Claim Ellen killed her daughter, disposed of the body and wiped her entire existence off of the internet.

17 Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2015 2:31:24pm

I don’t pay much attention to Ellen Degeneres, but even I remembered reading that she didn’t want to have children.

18 HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2015 2:33:53pm

Honestly I think it’s a little much ado about nothing but given Palin’s criticism of Obama’s fathering, I have no sympathy for her at all taking some tick for tack.

19 Skip Intro  Jan 3, 2015 2:37:05pm

Has Sarah blamed Obama for the lack of step stools, forcing her kid to stand on the dog instead?

20 HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2015 2:38:11pm

re: #19 Skip Intro

Has Sarah blamed Obama for the lack of step stools, forcing her kid to stand on the dog instead?

Would not shock me. She blames Obama for everything.

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 3, 2015 2:39:58pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Would not shock me. She blames Obama for everything.

Have ED? It’s Obama’s fault!
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22 b.d.  Jan 3, 2015 2:46:12pm

If I were a dog, I would rather be Ellen’s dog rather than Sarah’s

23 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 2:50:18pm
24 Maddies Mom  Jan 3, 2015 2:50:32pm

May this cleanse your palate of the Palin canine abuse…

Dog Fetch Fails

25 Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2015 2:51:38pm

The Tea Party News Network (bwa ha!) hasn’t pulled their post, however.

26 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 3, 2015 2:57:25pm

re: #23 jaunte

The linked article mentioned that Georgia’s new law prohibits the police from checking anyone’s gun permit. WTF were they thinking?

27 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 2:58:13pm

Conservatives shouldn’t really want Palin to be compared to a successful comedian with an intentionally funny act, but they can’t help themselves.

28 BillinGlendaleCA  Jan 3, 2015 2:58:32pm

re: #21 Feline Fearless Leader

ObamaCare covers that.

29 unproven innocence  Jan 3, 2015 3:00:25pm

re: #26 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The linked article mentioned that Georgia’s new law prohibits the police from checking anyone’s gun permit. WTF were they thinking?

Marketing advantage, maybe.

30 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 3:00:36pm

re: #26 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s crazy.

The new law expands the pre-emption of local laws. Before, cities could not regulate gun shows and dealers through zoning or by ordinance. Now, that applies to all weapons.

washingtonpost.com

31 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 3:01:10pm

“No one is allowed to maintain a database of information on license holders that spans multiple jurisdictions.”

32 bratwurst  Jan 3, 2015 3:01:38pm

Let’s say the Ellen pic was indeed her kid and her dog. Is it really within Tea Party News Network’s that all evidence of bad parenting/dog ownership be treated exactly the same?

33 wrenchwench  Jan 3, 2015 3:03:03pm

re: #15 RadicalModerate

He’s changed the link and reworded the title and article.

donotlink.com

Still, there’s a bit of difference between posting a picture of someone else’s kid doing it and giving your own kid positive attention for doing it. Over-the-top comments come from the right more than the left, despite what Chuck believes.

34 b.d.  Jan 3, 2015 3:03:30pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Would not shock me. She blames Obama for everything.

OBAMA WOULD HAVE STOOD ON HIS DOG THEN EATED HIM!!

35 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 3:03:48pm
36 ObserverArt  Jan 3, 2015 3:08:42pm

Charles,

The other night I was going through my buddies CDs at halftime of a football game and I saw he had Stanley Clark’s School Days. It had been years since I listened to it. So, I borrowed it and have gone through it two times already.

It’s amazing, I can remember all the tunes!

Anyway…thumbs up!!!

37 Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2015 3:10:13pm

re: #36 ObserverArt

It was an incredible experience playing on that record.

38 Dark_Falcon  Jan 3, 2015 3:10:56pm

re: #35 jaunte

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I wouldn’t hold Wallace up as an example of clear thinking. The man was far too blind when it came to communism.

39 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 3:12:46pm

Sorry for interrupting & going OT, but—holy crap!—I just stumbled upon the motherlode of bad crazy/ODS. Your average cyber stalker pales in comparison to this guy, I kid you not: Here’s the main page, but to see the real crazy you have to read the part asking if it can all be a coincidence, then look at the page containing 14 PDFs filled with 70,000 online references to Obama. The vast majority are from wingnut & white supremacist sources.

40 wrenchwench  Jan 3, 2015 3:12:48pm

NYT columnist helps mainstream a racist:

Or does he?

41 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 3:12:50pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

What do you think of the thought expressed?

42 Dark_Falcon  Jan 3, 2015 3:17:08pm

re: #41 jaunte

What do you think of the thought expressed?

I hardly think it relevant, because the way people get their information has changed so much since the 1940’s.

43 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 3:18:11pm

re: #39 CuriousLurker

BTW, I downloaded all 14 PDFs just for the sheer WTF of it. It’s like the freaking Yellow Pages for the nasty underbelly of the Right—good reference material, just not in the way he had in mind.

44 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 3, 2015 3:19:34pm

re: #39 CuriousLurker

Lordy. Good catch but don’t get lost down that rabbit/rat hole. What they have in common is that urgent frightened breathlessness about them.

45 Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2015 3:19:46pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

David Duke sounds insane? Well, yeah.

I guess he’s never seen or heard Duke speak before.

46 bratwurst  Jan 3, 2015 3:20:52pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t hold Wallace up as an example of clear thinking. The man was far too blind when it came to communism.

Do you have a master list of public figures who were too soft on communism on paper somewhere? Or is it all committed to memory?

47 Dark_Falcon  Jan 3, 2015 3:21:24pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Sorry I snapped at you this morning. I was wrong to do so.

48 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 3:21:29pm

re: #44 Rightwingconspirator

Lordy. Good catch but don’t get lost down that rabbit/rat hole. What they have in common is that urgent frightened breathlessness about them.

Heh, yeah, I stayed for about 15-20 minutes. That’s about all I could take at one sitting. Man… *SMH*

49 Dark_Falcon  Jan 3, 2015 3:22:33pm

re: #46 bratwurst

Do you have a master list of public figures who were too soft on communism on paper somewhere? Or is it all committed to memory?

In Wallace’s case it was pretty clear.

50 Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2015 3:22:49pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

BTW, I downloaded all 14 PDFs just for the sheer WTF of it. It’s like the freaking Yellow Pages for the nasty underbelly of the Right—good reference material, just not in the way he had in mind.

By the beard of the Prophet! That’s some weapons-grade obsessive lunacy right there.

Damn.

51 b_sharp  Jan 3, 2015 3:22:59pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

I’m no fan of Palin’s, but this whole thing with Trig standing on the dog has been overblown. I doubt Trig is big enough to pin that dog down if it was really in pain.

Dogs will frequently suffer through the pain for their human family.

52 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 3:24:21pm

re: #48 CuriousLurker

Lots of HotAir links in those ‘references.’

53 RadicalModerate  Jan 3, 2015 3:26:41pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

NYT columnist helps mainstream a racist:

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Speaking of CNN, I see they have redesigned their website - and they’ve moved away from the simple, relatively uncluttered design to one with filled with interactive web elements, including a crawler at the bottom of the page.

In short, pretty much everything I hate about modern webpage design.

54 Dark_Falcon  Jan 3, 2015 3:28:20pm

re: #51 b_sharp

Dogs will frequently suffer through the pain for their human family.

But how does the Palin’s dog deal with being smarter than most of the humans in the house?

55 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 3:28:54pm

Speaking of poisoning the channels of public information:

56 Belafon  Jan 3, 2015 3:31:06pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

NYT columnist helps mainstream a racist:

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Train wrecks are fascinating and horrific.

57 wrenchwench  Jan 3, 2015 3:31:55pm

re: #55 jaunte

Speaking of poisoning the channels of public information:

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The poison hasn’t changed much.

58 RadicalModerate  Jan 3, 2015 3:34:01pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

David Duke sounds insane? Well, yeah.

I guess he’s never seen or heard Duke speak before.

I’m just a little bit surprised that it took this long for Duke to be publicly accepted into the Republican mainstream. He’s a master of manipulating the dogwhistles that the core constituency of the party now embraces.

As I’ve posted before, his popularity in Louisiana was one of the driving reasons for my leaving the state in the early 90s - now that he’s no longer considered poison by the same party that publicly shunned him back then, not at all sure where it leaves me.

59 Dark_Falcon  Jan 3, 2015 3:34:33pm

re: #56 Belafon

Train wrecks are fascinating and horrific.

Except that for David Duke being interviewed on CNN isn’t a train wreck. He’s exactly where he wants to be.

60 lawhawk  Jan 3, 2015 3:37:03pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Except that for David Duke being interviewed on CNN isn’t a train wreck. He’s exactly where he wants to be.

Yup. He’s playing the Chuck Johnson “Exploring Different Views” nonsense - allowing his inner racist flag fly proud. He’s just asking the questions that other racists are saying in private - but hoping to expand to the public sphere.

61 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 3:38:02pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Sorry I snapped at you this morning. I was wrong to do so.

Apology accepted. I really don’t want to look at you as an enemy. FWIW, what I wrote was intended to pile onto you, I just happened to be referencing the book because of Randall’s page and wanted to let people know about it, and I guess when I got here you were in the middle of something I was unaware of.

It really is creepy, Dark. Once you read about the history of antisemitism—which has the same dynamics as other bigotries—then move on to reading about how the white supremacists have wormed their way into the mainstream via the TP and whatnot, it all starts to make sense in a bizarre, pathological way. I’m not kidding. For example search Google or Google Images for the name of the guy whose site I just posted about and you’ll quickly find yourself in hateful racist, antisemitic, Islamophobic territory.

I know you don’t want it to be true about the GOP. Believe me, I get it. You know why? Because I hate that ISIS, AQ, etc. have co-opted Islam.

It sucks, but I have to deal with it because denying there’s a big problem or simply ignoring it won’t make it go away.

62 Belafon  Jan 3, 2015 3:38:13pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

In this case, the point of the analogy is that fascinating doesn’t imply endorsement.

63 Souliren  Jan 3, 2015 3:42:04pm

re: #36 ObserverArt

I came into this thread to post something snarky about the “narrative” since both pictures were of a child standing on a dog. The fact the the kid is not Ellen’s child does not negate the point the wingers were making.

What happend was I read your post and when off to listen to Stanley Clark’s School Days.

One of the reasons this blog is one of my favorites is because of the music. I try not to post too much because my views differ from folks here. I also have zero personal friends with whom I agree with 100% on everything but I like jamming with them.

I already like Charles’… and Randall and others choice of music.

Where can I listen to some of Charles music? Where does he improvise?

64 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 3:43:17pm

re: #52 jaunte

Lots of HotAir links in those ‘references.’

I’m wondering how much NRO & Townhall I’ll run into too. Over the past few months I’ve noticed that the latter has been turning up in my Google Alerts a lot WRT pushing the Islamophobia stuff.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 3, 2015 3:44:44pm

re: #26 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The linked article mentioned that Georgia’s new law prohibits the police from checking anyone’s gun permit. WTF were they thinking?

That it would only apply to white people. Of course.

66 Belafon  Jan 3, 2015 3:45:35pm

re: #63 Souliren

So the fact that liberals haven’t commented on every child on dog picture means that it’s wrong to comment on Palin?

67 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 3, 2015 3:48:13pm

Things That Will Be Interesting to Watch in 2015:

Germany ‘prepared to let Greece leave eurozone’ if voters reject austerity

The German government is prepared to countenance a Greek exit from the eurozone, should it prove necessary, according to a report from German news magazine Der Spiegel.

The magazine reported in its online edition on Saturday that Chancellor Angela Merkel and Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble believe that such a development would now prove bearable for the rest of the currency bloc. The report cited progress made in the eurozone since 2012, when the eurozone sovereign debt crisis was said to have been at its worst, with fears diminishing that a “Grexit” could cause the currency union to disintegrate…

68 wrenchwench  Jan 3, 2015 3:49:23pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

David Duke sounds insane? Well, yeah.

I guess he’s never seen or heard Duke speak before.

69 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 3:49:30pm

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Another interesting term I came across towards the end of the book on antisemitism was referring to Jews as being democracy’s “canary”, i.e. when antisemitism openly rears its head, it’s a warning that fascism is nigh.

70 lawhawk  Jan 3, 2015 3:51:26pm

I hate Illinois Nazis, but looks like Louisiana Nazis have gone mainstream. That’s a level of hate that I just can’t abide. And those in the big two political parties that pander to these hate/rage nutters need to be exposed and excoriated for their associations.

Because nothing good can come from associating with this kind of hate. Millions of people didn’t go to war to stop the Nazi hoards from running over Europe, only to allow them to inflict their hate in a Hydra-esque infiltration instead.

71 Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2015 3:53:40pm

re: #67 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Things That Will Be Interesting to Watch in 2015:

Germany ‘prepared to let Greece leave eurozone’ if voters reject austerity

So the Germans feel they can just eject any nation in the Eurozone that might prove a drag on the whole? In other words, Germany is saying that the future of the Eurozone is fucked. Because once Greece is gone, how long does the talk start about how they can afford to let Spain, Italy, France, or any number of other countries presently dealing with major economic crises “leave”?

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 3, 2015 3:56:32pm

re: #70 lawhawk

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I hate Illinois Nazis, but looks like Louisiana Nazis have gone mainstream. That’s a level of hate that I just can’t abide. And those in the big two political parties that pander to these hate/rage nutters need to be exposed and excoriated for their associations.

Because nothing good can come from associating with this kind of hate. Millions of people didn’t go to war to stop the Nazi hoards from running over Europe, only to allow them to inflict their hate in a Hydra-esque infiltration instead.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.
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73 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 3:56:57pm

Nov. 7, 1991:

In his strongest comments to date on the Louisiana governor’s race, President Bush said today that State Representative David Duke was a charlatan unfit to hold public office because he has espoused racist and neo-Nazi beliefs.

The President’s remarks came after a statement by Mr. Duke on Tuesday that equated the extermination of Jews in Nazi Germany with affirmative action programs in the United States.

Speaking at a news conference in Washington, President Bush said: “When someone asserts the Holocaust never took place, then I don’t believe that person ever deserves one iota of public trust. When someone has so recently endorsed Nazism, it is inconceivable that someone can reasonably aspire to a leadership role in a free society.”
nytimes.com

74 Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2015 3:57:39pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Agreed. But doesn’t the fact that Louisiana’s Nazis have gone mainstream mean that it’s too late? Personally, I believe that certain Southern states are a write off. They’re in the clutches of bigots and that won’t change until their demographics change.

See this Arkansas billboard for example.

joemygod.blogspot.com

75 lawhawk  Jan 3, 2015 3:58:53pm

re: #74 Patricia Kayden

Can’t write off an entire region of the country. Just can’t do it. Got to fight it - particularly at its source.

76 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 4:05:33pm
“Our clear goal must be the advancement of the white race and separation of the white and black races. This goal must include freeing of the American media and government from subservient Jewish interests.”
— David Duke

“Jewish people have put the interests of race over the interests of the American people… Jews are filled with more hatred and rage for our race, for our heritage, for our blood than perhaps you can imagine.”
— David Duke

“The organizers and attendees of the Values Voter Summit are not just strongly pro-Israel, but genuinely pro-Jewish as well.”
— Noah Pollak, Exec. Dir., Emergency Committee for Israel
thedailybeast.com

“The African American community has a lot in common with the Republican Party, and it is important to share this rich history. More importantly, the Republican Party must be committed to building a lasting relationship with the African American community year-round, based on mutual respect and with a spirit of caring.”
—RNC
ibtimes.com

77 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 4:06:14pm

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

Wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.
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That’s the thing, people who are otherwise decent can get sucked into the mindset. The guy who wrote the book I’m reading spent 15 years researching this stuff and attended many meetings of white supremacist groups. He said one of the most striking things was how engaging and “normal” one of the guys he met was (aside from the obvious bigotry & racism expressed at the gatherings).

78 Souliren  Jan 3, 2015 4:20:09pm

re: #66 Belafon

Of course not.

What puzzles me is why she is attacked so much for things that seem close to mainstream views. I don’t understand it.

79 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 3, 2015 4:23:14pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

re: #71 Targetpractice

So the Germans feel they can just eject any nation in the Eurozone that might prove a drag on the whole? In other words, Germany is saying that the future of the Eurozone is fucked. Because once Greece is gone, how long does the talk start about how they can afford to let Spain, Italy, France, or any number of other countries presently dealing with major economic crises “leave”?

The situation seems to be that Greece is ready, rightfully in my opinion, to reject the economic austerity measures that were the cost of remaining in the EU. There is no mechanism in the treaties that established the EU for a state to be expelled from the union. The Treaty on European Union does allow any member state to leave the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

80 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 4:23:25pm
81 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 4:27:29pm

re: #76 jaunte

I’m absolutely convinced those last two things are B.S. If the GOP wanted to build “a lasting relationship with the African American community year-round, based on mutual respect and with a spirit of caring” then they probably should’ve refrained from the constant disrespect towards our first black POTUS and First Lady.

As for Jews and being pro-Israel, the mask is starting to slip on that count too. There is a frightening level of hatred towards Jews with some on the Christian far right. I was shocked at the vitriol spewed at the Weinsteins because of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation—not just Mikey, but his wife, kids, etc.

They’d be talking about peace & love & Jesus one minute, then fantasizing about all manner of horrible things they’d like to see their God/Jesus do to the entire family. Nothing was too foul for them. It was… it could’ve easily been coming from the lips of a Neo-Nazi. It was unsettling, to say the least.

It probably won’t come as a surprise that there was also a lot of Islamophobia included. Many of the ranters seemed to think the Jews are somehow in league with commies & Muslims (to help them take over the world).

This seething hatred and the ridiculous claims of white/Christian persecution are a malignant thread that runs through everything.

82 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 4:30:53pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

There’s a sharp conflict between the need to pander to the bigotry of the ‘base’ and the nicely-nicely public statements put out by party officials.

83 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 3, 2015 4:32:12pm

the mistake in this editorial describing the right wing’s looseness with “Facts” misses a fundamental difference- that the modern right wing is defined not by an inability to process or recognize “facts” but to re-define exactly what a “Fact” is in the first place.

To our right wing, a “fact’ is not something that can be proven by experimentation, math, direct observation, or gleaned from peer-reviewed publications, but instead is a notion that adheres to a strange America-centric,/Ayn Rand/White Republican Jesus/white cultural supremacist ideology construct right out of a bad 70’s sci-fi dystopian paperback.

To them, facts simply are not what the rest of the liberal/post-Aristotolian world defines as “facts.” There is a fundamental and defining chasm between them and the rest of the world.

84 dog philosopher  Jan 3, 2015 4:32:25pm

in 2028, the presidential candidate for one of the successor parties of the defunct gop will run on a platform against childhood vegetarianism and for quotas on the immigration of bolivian transsexuals

“if we can’t control our underpants, we’re finished as a nation”

85 bratwurst  Jan 3, 2015 4:33:24pm

BREAKING NEWS!

Elderly people shall have to go elsewhere on the dial for their weekend good times hour from now on.

86 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 4:34:34pm

re: #85 bratwurst

I look forward to his upcoming reverse mortgage commercials.

87 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 4:34:58pm

re: #84 dog philosopher

LOL—okay, on that note I’m gonna make a cup of coffee and go climb under the electric blanket because my toes are ice cold and I need to step away from thinking about the bad crazy for a while.

Later, lizards.

88 Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2015 4:34:59pm

re: #85 bratwurst

BREAKING NEWS!

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Elderly people shall have to go elsewhere on the dial for their weekend good times hour from now on.

The GOP clown car gets more crowded.

89 dog philosopher  Jan 3, 2015 4:35:37pm

re: #83 Rocky-in-Connecticut

the mistake in this editorial describing the right wing’s looseness with “Facts” misses a fundamental difference- that the modern right wing is defined not by an inability to process or recognize “facts” but to re-define exactly what a “Fact” is in the first place.

To our right wing, a “fact’ is not something that can be proven by experimentation, math, direct observation, or gleaned from peer-reviewed publications, but instead is a notion that adheres to a strange America-centric,/Ayn Rand/White Republican Jesus/white cultural supremacist ideology construct right out of a bad 70’s sci-fi dystopian paperback.

To them, facts simply are not what the rest of the liberal world defines as “facts.” There is a fundamental and

they’re platonic facts that exist only in their minds, while earthly, tangible facts are mere corrupt reflections that pale in importance by comparison

90 dog philosopher  Jan 3, 2015 4:36:34pm

re: #85 bratwurst

BREAKING NEWS!

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Elderly people shall have to go elsewhere on the dial for their weekend good times hour from now on.

it’s like lawrence welk but less hip

91 Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2015 4:38:15pm

Really, it is good for a laugh, seeing the large array of Republicans who wish to argue over who will be the ritual sacrifice on Election Day 2016.

92 b.d.  Jan 3, 2015 4:40:45pm

re: #85 bratwurst

BREAKING NEWS!

Elderly people shall have to go elsewhere on the dial for their weekend good times hour from now on.

Have they been about to find a wingnut who is not going to run for president to replace him yet?

93 Belafon  Jan 3, 2015 4:42:58pm

re: #78 Souliren

Of course not.

What puzzles me is why she is attacked so much for things that seem close to mainstream views. I don’t understand it.

Because 1) they aren’t mainstream, and 2) they’re wrong. Her views have generally been idiotic.

As for her picture, it’s been people all across the political spectrum that have criticized her for being proud of her son in this case.

94 b_sharp  Jan 3, 2015 4:46:09pm

re: #93 Belafon

Because 1) they aren’t mainstream, and 2) they’re wrong. Her views have generally been idiotic.

As for her picture, it’s been people all across the political spectrum that have criticized her for being proud of her son in this case.

Her pride in her son for this particular incident is an example of her obliviousness.

She’s an obliviot.

95 compound_Idaho  Jan 3, 2015 4:47:12pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

Really, it is good for a laugh, seeing the large array of Republicans who wish to argue over who will be the ritual sacrifice on Election Day 2016.

It is going to be Jeb. He has a good chance of winning. Contrary to popular belief in some circles, not all republicans are racist hateful idiots. It just makes them easier to hate if you can convince yourself they are.

96 bratwurst  Jan 3, 2015 4:48:10pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

it’s like lawrence welk but less hip

Well there was that one time when Ted Nugent came on and The Huckster strapped on the bass to back him up on Cat Scratch Fever! Tell me THAT isn’t hip as fuck.

97 Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2015 4:50:02pm

re: #95 compound_Idaho

It is going to be Jeb. He has a good chance of winning. Contrary to popular belief in some circles, not all republicans are racist hateful idiots. It just makes them easier to hate if you can convince yourself they are.

My money is still on Ted Cruz, and I base that on his performance last month, managing the feat of pissing off members of both parties just to stay true to his “ideals.” The man is the only one who is going to be able to stand on stage later this fall and declare “I pissed off members of my own party just to stand in the way of the Kenyan Muslim dictator’s unconstitutional immigration ploy!”

98 Belafon  Jan 3, 2015 4:56:40pm

re: #95 compound_Idaho

It is going to be Jeb. He has a good chance of winning. Contrary to popular belief in some circles, not all republicans are racist hateful idiots. It just makes them easier to hate if you can convince yourself they are.

See #77 CuriousLurker’s comment

That’s the thing, people who are otherwise decent can get sucked into the mindset. The guy who wrote the book I’m reading spent 15 years researching this stuff and attended many meetings of white supremacist groups. He said one of the most striking things was how engaging and “normal” one of the guys he met was (aside from the obvious bigotry & racism expressed at the gatherings).

Lot’s of people seem nice until you give them a chance to talk too much. My parents are nice people, but I have some big arguments with them over their views on blacks.

And actually, Republicans outside the South hold the same views about blacks as Southern white Democrats: salon.com.

99 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 3, 2015 4:57:10pm

I found this wingnut meme. It’s so stupefyingly idiotic it has to be fixed and released back into the Twitstream.

100 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2015 4:57:31pm

My very first thought upon reading the summary of the Truthrevolt story was: I don’t think Ellen Degeneres has a daughter.

It’s so fucked up out there these days,

Lies have become the new truth and truth, the new lies.

101 Chez Ko Pe  Jan 3, 2015 4:58:28pm
stooped to the level of pedophilia

There’s no way in hell I’m getting out of the boat, so I’m going to ask braver folks if that’s just more hysterical persecution complex, or is it for real?

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

I’m no fan of Palin’s, but this whole thing with Trig standing on the dog has been overblown. I doubt Trig is big enough to pin that dog down if it was really in pain.

Cameraperson Sarah is big enough, and has proven herself more than willing to mistreat children and animals alike in her neverending quest for attention.

102 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 4:59:46pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

50lbs of wrong in a 5lb bag.

103 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 5:00:22pm
104 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2015 5:00:57pm

re: #101 Chez Ko Pe

I think…I’m hoping they just got that word wrong. I think they wrote pedophilia when they meant something else.

105 klystron  Jan 3, 2015 5:02:40pm

The husband and I just got back from running down to Mercey Hot Springs last night with our little teardrop. The furnace was much appreciated as it was down in the 30s, but we were quite snug.

The water was definitely not the warmest of the hot springs that we have been to in CA, but it is a nice place that has been making small improvements gradually, it sounds like - a labor of love, I think, for the folks who run it. Both clothing required and clothing optional areas as your tastes go, with cabins and camping.

I think Wilbur still wins, but being able to bring along the Reality Free Zone and get there in 2 hours or so was a big plus. Also, it’s a little cheaper than Wilbur. (darth, we have been up to Wilbur since they reopened after the fire, although the main common building wasn’t reopened yet - all the important bits are still there, and it was overall less different than I was expecting.)

106 jaunte  Jan 3, 2015 5:03:39pm
Huckabee warned that by allowing same-sex couples to get married, “we will pay the consequences for having upended the very foundation which is the essence of how a civilization survives.”
“So the soul of America is in real trouble,” he concluded.
salon.com
107 goddamnedfrank  Jan 3, 2015 5:03:59pm

re: #95 compound_Idaho

It is going to be Jeb. He has a good chance of winning. Contrary to popular belief in some circles, not all republicans are racist hateful idiots. It just makes them easier to hate if you can convince yourself they are.

As governor Jeb successfully defended a law preventing gay people from being allowed to adopt children.

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has maintained that the children, often products of troubled and unstable backgrounds, should have a father and a mother.

So yeah, he absolutely is a bigot.

108 klystron  Jan 3, 2015 5:05:51pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

As governor Jeb successfully defended a law preventing gay people from being allowed to adopt children.

So yeah, he absolutely is a bigot.

And also, for the record, while I absolutely would not vote for him, I don’t hate him.

I’m just not willing to give power to anyone willing to stand on the side of hate.

109 makeitstop  Jan 3, 2015 5:11:29pm

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

I think…I’m hoping they just got that word wrong. I think they wrote pedophilia when they meant something else.

One of the ‘liberal’ tweets about Palin kind of alluded to it.

110 compound_Idaho  Jan 3, 2015 5:11:44pm

re: #98 Belafon

re: #98 Belafon

And a lot of people think they are not racist or bigoted, but are.

washingtonpost.com

111 goddamnedfrank  Jan 3, 2015 5:12:07pm

re: #108 klystron

And also, for the record, while I absolutely would not vote for him, I don’t hate him.

I’m just not willing to give power to anyone willing to stand on the side of hate.

Forgetting about the ethical / moral aspect for a moment, Jeb’s logic there was absolutely despicable. Those children are up for adoption because the ideal fucking family makeup either failed them or was never available. Preventing gay people from adopting them does nothing to ensure they’re taken in and raised by both a man and a woman. I just means there are fewer homes they can go to, in a world where there already aren’t enough homes for all the kids eligible for adoption.

He wasn’t about preventing straight couples from going overseas to adopt, or keeping single, adamantly straight people from adopting. He just wanted to single out gays and defame them as unfit to raise kids, and he was willing to punish countless children to do it.

Anybody who would even consider Jeb at this point has something seriously wrong with their soul.

112 klystron  Jan 3, 2015 5:13:38pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

Forgetting about the ethical / moral aspect for a moment, Jeb’s logic there was absolutely despicable. Those children are up for adoption because the ideal fucking family makeup either failed them or was never available. Preventing gay people from adopting them does nothing to ensure they’re taken in and raised by both a man and a woman. I just means there are fewer homes they can go to, in a world where there already aren’t enough homes for all the kids eligible for adoption.

He wasn’t about preventing straight couples from going overseas to adopt, or keeping single, adamantly straight people from adopting. He just wanted to single out gays and defame them as unfit to raise kids, and he was willing to punish countless children to do it.

Anybody who would even consider Jeb at this point has something seriously wrong with their sense of right and wrong.

One parent is ok, but two parents of the same gender (or one parent who likes their own gender) is completely unacceptable!

///

Yeah. But hey, we’re the hateful ones because we don’t want to consider him, I guess.

113 Souliren  Jan 3, 2015 5:33:26pm

re: #93 Belafon

I disagree with her views on abortion and social issues but I respect them. Their foundation is what she thinks is good. I think her views are honestly held and the fact that I profoundly disagree with her does not make her a nut.

I do not see the “obliviot” I see a standard garden-variety good person who many disagree with.

Before I quit smoking, I stood with some smokers outside the office when her name came up. A new kid, perhaps 18 said, “Yeah, she’s a fucking nutcase.”

I do not get it. I don’t understand it. I don’t know what process drives this thing.

There is a similar process going on in the wingnut blogs frequent with Obama or Debbie wassername Smith

It is not something the left does and the right does not.
It just makes me wonder if those folks (on both sides) believe that shit or are they just trying to score/get elected/win the argument

114 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 9:14:34pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Apology accepted. I really don’t want to look at you as an enemy. FWIW, what I wrote was not intended to pile onto you, I just happened to be referencing the book because of Randall’s page and wanted to let people know about it, and I guess when I got here you were in the middle of something I was unaware of.

I just coming back to correct a typo I didn’t see earlier, for the record.

115 CuriousLurker  Jan 3, 2015 9:31:39pm

re: #113 Souliren

I disagree with her views on abortion and social issues but I respect them. Their foundation is what she thinks is good. I think her views are honestly held and the fact that I profoundly disagree with her does not make her a nut.

I do not see the “obliviot” I see a standard garden-variety good person who many disagree with. […]

I do not get it. I don’t understand it. I don’t know what process drives this thing.

There is a similar process going on in the wingnut blogs frequent with Obama or Debbie wassername Smith […]

So since you find this dislike for Palin so disagreeable that you feel the need to speak up in her defense here, do you also do the same for President Obama? Do you go to right-wing blogs/forums and tell them that you take exception to the horrible things they say about him? I’m just wondering since far uglier things are said about him & his family than are said about Palin. Additionally, Charles has posted numerous articles about those things, yet I’ve never once seen you complain about it.

Oh, and it’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz, one of those difficult to remember Jewish names. //

116 Souliren  Jan 4, 2015 11:22:48am

re: #115 CuriousLurker

I agree that worse things have been said about Obama and his family but the difference is of degree not of kind. Most of the worst are in blog comments or on extremist’s blogs.

What puzzles me about this event is: Palin posts a picture of her son standing on a dog and multiple British newspapers headline it, each with hundreds of comments with comments having hundreds of up-dings and down-dings.

It’s earned or contributed to two posts here so far.

I a not complaining about it. That would be as useful as post 245 on bla.foo.uk.

I’m trying to understand why this person (Palin) gets this level of attention for a relativly benign action. In terms of the wingnuttery of her philosophy there are many others farther to the right, some who are elected officals.

I’m trying to understand why an 18 year old Canadian would say “She’s a frigging nutcase.” when her name came up.

I asked the question here because if I asked on a right wing blog the answer would be something along the line of “Because lefties are all stoopid h8rs” I realize now that i’d have no more luck here.

I apologize for not googling the proper spelling of Debbie’s name… my own fault you used it to suggest I’m an anti-semite. I included her as an example of someone I saw recently slagged with a crude and offensive comment elsewhere.

117 klystron  Jan 4, 2015 12:36:42pm

re: #116 Souliren

Nobody would give two shits about Palin except McCain actually chose her to be the VP candidate in 2008.

Apparently despite everything she has said and done so far, some people still seem to think she is to be taken seriously. Other people delight in mocking that and pointing out her flaws.

The first post related to this was actually about another site’s lack of ability to do research. The second post is about Sarah’s word-salad response, which is even less coherent than her norm.

If you, you know, actually read the comments here, you’d find that Sarah isn’t considered terribly important here except for the fact that she represents an (unfortunately) large group of voters in the US who do decide to vote. And most of the discussion moves away from her pretty rapidly.

118 CuriousLurker  Jan 4, 2015 6:26:42pm

re: #116 Souliren

I apologize for not googling the proper spelling of Debbie’s name… my own fault you used it to suggest I’m an anti-semite.

I suggested nothing of the sort, that’s simply the way you chose to interpret what you read. It was sarcasm, hence the // sarc tags.

Being the National Chair of the DNC, Wasserman Schultz is a prominent & outspoken Jewish politician. There are Jews living in just about every corner of the world, with about 80% of them more or less evenly split between the U.S. and Israel. Their surnames—especially those of German ancestry—tend to be pretty common. As you noted, you could have easily googled it, but you chose not to. Hence, the sarcasm.

For the record, I’m not the least bit shy about speaking my mind and I don’t like playing head games. If I had sufficient evidence to cause me to believe you’re an antisemite, I wouldn’t “suggest” anything—I’d call you out on it in an unambiguous manner and provide examples.

You’re getting negative pushback because your comments & questions regarding Palin perfectly fit the pattern of concern trolling, something I and many others here dislike.

119 Souliren  Jan 5, 2015 1:18:52pm

I never took the time to understand what concern tolling meant. Thanks for that. I do fit the profile. Would I still, if I said “You jerks stop being mean to Sara!” That might move me into an ordinary troll class??

I’ve spent more time reading about Sara Palin in the last couple of days than I have ever… primarily due to our conversation here.

I get it now. She’s a character in this play. I’ve read things she has written or said recently. She’s fair game. - Her choice.

Sorry for the distraction.


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