Paris Police Say 12 Dead After Shooting at Charlie Hebdo

Debris outside the Charlie Hebdo office after the November 2011 attack

Eleven people were confirmed dead after a shooting at the office of a French satirical weekly in Paris, police said on Wednesday.

The death toll was confirmed by Xavier Castaing, head of communications for the Paris police prefecture, according to the Associated Press. Earlier, Luc Poignard, a police union official, said two attackers escaped in two vehicles after opening fire at Charlie Hebdo.

The magazine was attacked with petrol bombs in 2011, a day after saying that the Prophet Muhammed would be its “editor-in-chief” for its next issue.

More: Paris Police Say 11 Dead After Shooting at Charlie Hebdo

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Update: I corrected the initial reports of 11 dead to 12 dead after reading about the BBC update in comments here, see next to the last link.

2nd update: French officials now say three, not two gunmen were involved. See bottom link.

3rd Update: Added Agency France Press link above, the youngest attacker is reported to have surrendered.

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161 comments

1 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 6:04:00am

The death toll has been revised upwards to 12, including 2 police officers who responded and were outgunned by the terrorists.

One was apparently killed execution style:

Four cartoonists, including the magazine’s editor-in-chief Stephane Charbonnier, have been reported killed in the attack. Mr Charbonnier, 47, had received death threats in the past and was living under police protection.

Footage shot by an eyewitness apparently from the attack shows two armed men dressed in black approach a wounded police officer lying on a pavement. One of the men shot the officer in the head, before both men were seen running back towards a black vehicle and driving away.

An eyewitness, Benoit Bringer, told French TV channel Itele: “Two black-hooded men entered the building with Kalashnikovs. A few minutes later we heard lots of shots.”

The men were then seen fleeing the building.

Gilles Boulanger, who works in the same building as the office, told the same channel: “A neighbour called to warn me that there were armed men in the building and that we had to shut all the doors.

2 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 7, 2015 6:05:13am

Now reporting 12 dead, including two police who were outside. Really horrific footage of a wounded officer on the sidewalk being executed at close range can be seen at several sites.

3 Thanos  Jan 7, 2015 6:35:47am

The CNN link above has video of the gunmen.

4 sffilk  Jan 7, 2015 6:53:50am

The story I saw on the news this morning said the reason for the attack was because this commercial concern had published a cartoon of Mohammed. If it turns out this rampage was done as a result, allow me to remind people that if it was a group of Muslims, they are acting like bullies, in that it’s perfectly OK for them to publish cartoons making a mockery of other religious groups, but WOE TO THE WICKED who do the same thing about their religious group! It’s just that in cases like this and the Danish newspaper, the bullies usually win because the “wimps” (for lack of a better term) will apologize for doing what they did, but will do nothing when the bullies do exactly the same thing in their publications.

5 KerFuFFler  Jan 7, 2015 8:16:31am

I’ve only seen one accusation that “the Jews” are behind this attack, but the day is young.

6 Click My Icon To Watch This Short French Film.  Jan 7, 2015 9:15:02am

I am glad you posted this. I have a very close Parisian friend. He has been texting me. People are devastated.

7 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 10:40:06am

The name of one of the officers killed has been announced:

8 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 10:41:29am

re: #5 KerFuFFler

I’ve only seen one accusation that “the Jews” are behind this attack, but the day is young.

I have seen one (Tweeter blocked) and Mattand said he went to infowars (shudder) and that shit is everywhere.

9 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 10:42:50am

The French security forces are carrying out raids in several locations across the country but no arrests made so far. Also, one of the officers killed was assigned to protection detail for Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier, who was also killed in the attack. The other, Ahmed Merabat, was an officer on patrol in that arrondissement.

10 Dark_Falcon  Jan 7, 2015 10:44:36am

re: #9 lawhawk

The French security forces are carrying out raids in several locations across the country but no arrests made so far. Also, one of the officers killed was assigned to protection detail for Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier, who was also killed in the attack. The other, Ahmed Merabat, was an officer on patrol in that arrondissement.

I’m sure the fact that one of the dead cops was Muslim will be airbrushed out by the far right.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2015 10:44:37am

The RWNJs don’t have anyone to root for here. Islamic extremists vs. French Liberals.

12 Kragar  Jan 7, 2015 10:44:57am

Remember the rules here people

Sovereign citizen commits an attack: crazy Lone Wolf

Muslim person commits an attack: ALL OF ISLAM IS TO BLAME!

/

13 darthstar  Jan 7, 2015 10:45:50am

re: #3 Randall Gross

The CNN link above has video of the gunmen.

I won’t watch the video…or this one.

Greg Mitchell @GregMitch
Graphic video of gunmen executing cop on street in Paris today—one of 12 slaughtered at newspaper. urlremoved

Sean McCabe @darthstar99

@GregMitch Nobody benefits from the sharing of terror porn.
6:40 AM - 7 Jan 2015 El Granada, CA, United States

14 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 10:46:27am

What do you know - it looks like the FBI did have conclusive evidence that North Korea was behind the Sony hacks after all.

15 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 7, 2015 10:47:01am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Yeah, some seem to not want to notice.

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 10:47:21am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

What do you know - it looks like the FBI did have conclusive evidence that North Korea was behind the Sony hacks after all.

Yep, I posted a tweet about that downstairs.

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 10:47:28am
18 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2015 10:47:53am

It says a lot about the state of Journalism when the major networks put more effort into the graphics than the reporting.

19 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 10:47:56am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Wait. What? Chuckles proof/evidence that NK wasn’t involved was as bogus as most everything else he opines about? I’m shocked. Shocked.

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2015 10:48:20am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

What do you know - it looks like the FBI did have conclusive evidence that North Korea was behind the Sony hacks after all.

Don’t worry. CCJ will still say he was right.

21 Dark_Falcon  Jan 7, 2015 10:48:54am

re: #19 lawhawk

Wait. What? Chuckles proof/evidence that NK wasn’t involved was as bogus as most everything else he opines about? I’m shocked. Shocked.

Your winnings, captain.

22 Kragar  Jan 7, 2015 10:48:55am
23 darthstar  Jan 7, 2015 10:49:07am
24 Kragar  Jan 7, 2015 10:49:34am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t worry. CCJ will still say he was right.

“Well, of course they’re going to come up with fake evidence to support their False Flag op.”

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 10:50:09am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, I posted a tweet about that downstairs.

26 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2015 10:50:16am

I look forward to the coming CCJ Google translate epic fails.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 10:50:59am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t worry. CCJ will still say he was right.

He has more knowledgeable FBI contacts than the FBI Director!

28 Ace-o-aces  Jan 7, 2015 10:51:02am

Mark my words.

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2015 10:51:39am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has more knowledgeable FBI contacts than the FBI Director!

He has analysts!!

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 10:52:10am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

He has analysts annalists!!

FTFY

31 Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2015 10:52:43am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

The RWNJs don’t have anyone to root for here. Islamic extremists vs. French Liberals.

They will find a way. Recall, the RWNJs rooted for a brown Democratic voter that shot an unarmed black teenager.

32 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 10:52:52am

Jyllands Posten, which had originally produced Prophet Mohammad cartoons that led to riots and protests back in 2005, has said that they’ve increased security again in response to the attacks on Charlie Hebdo.

33 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 7, 2015 10:53:52am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has more knowledgeable FBI contacts than the FBI Director!

He has crazy cat twitter peoples. FBI can’t beat that.

RBS

34 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 7, 2015 10:54:18am

re:
#20

Don’t worry. CCJ will still say he was right.

The archmoron blogger has already moved on to other outrages and “missions”.

35 Dark_Falcon  Jan 7, 2015 10:54:29am

re: #28 Ace-o-aces

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Mark my words.

Or they’ll claim he was incompetent and failed to kill the attackers because he was a Berber/Arab Muslim. That lets them thread racism in with the religious bigotry.

36 The Ghost of a Funky Discarded Egg  Jan 7, 2015 10:55:12am

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

I’m sure the fact that one of the dead cops was Muslim will be airbrushed out by the far right.

The right wing has already disappeared thousands of Muslims who died opposing terrorist organizations by mocking them, criticizing them, or denying their theology. The right’s interest in terrorism precludes the idea that Muslims are victimized by terrorists.

Islamist groups have been assassinating critical journalists in Africa and Asia for decades without comment by Europe or the US.

Charlie Hebdo is a terrible tragedy continuous with a long string of tragedies.

…but it will be weaponized for the same reasons that the killings of Muslims are left unremarked. Because it’s not really about solving the problem of Islamic terrorist groups as an international force, it’s about using that crisis to implement their own agenda. Cynical, stupid solutions in search of problems.

37 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 7, 2015 10:56:50am

Rod Dreher already blaming it on liberal tolerance of extremist intolerance. Not one damned thing that he can’t fucking use in his culture war obsessions.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 10:57:17am
39 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 10:58:38am

Right on cue I’m seeing people calling for everyone to post the anti-Islam cartoons from Charlie Hebdo. This strikes me as exactly the wrong thing to do. We should carry on doing exactly what we were doing before the attack, not indulge in a fear-driven blustering campaign to offend Muslims as much as possible.

40 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 10:59:41am
41 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2015 11:00:34am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right on cue I’m seeing people calling for everyone to post the anti-Islam cartoons from Charlie Hebdo. This strikes me as exactly the wrong thing to do. We should carry on doing exactly what we were doing before the attack, not indulge in a fear-driven blustering campaign to offend Muslims as much as possible.

That is what’s called throwing fuel on the fire.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:01:10am

heh:

43 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 7, 2015 11:01:18am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right on cue I’m seeing people calling for everyone to post the anti-Islam cartoons from Charlie Hebdo. This strikes me as exactly the wrong thing to do. We should carry on doing exactly what we were doing before the attack, not indulge in a fear-driven blustering campaign to offend Muslims as much as possible.

Carrying on, however, does include publication of material that is satirical or offensive. We don’t have to all do it…but we have to support the freedom and safety of anybody who does.

44 The Ghost of a Funky Discarded Egg  Jan 7, 2015 11:01:58am

re: #37 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher already blaming it on liberal tolerance of extremist intolerance. Not one damned thing that he can’t fucking use in his culture war obsessions.

The only reason they care is because it advances their culture war obsession.
They want to demonize American liberals by associating them with whatever malefic force is most visible on the world stage.

The same people fucking loved conservative Islamist nutters back when Creeping Communism was the looming force of doom being fought off by free market Christian warriors.

45 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 11:02:24am

re: #43 Aunty Entity Dragon

Carrying on, however, does include publication of material that is satirical or offensive. We don’t have to all do it…but we have to support the freedom and safety of anybody who does.

Right - exactly as we did before.

46 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 11:02:52am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right on cue I’m seeing people calling for everyone to post the anti-Islam cartoons from Charlie Hebdo. This strikes me as exactly the wrong thing to do. We should carry on doing exactly what we were doing before the attack, not indulge in a fear-driven blustering campaign to offend Muslims as much as possible.

47 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 7, 2015 11:03:06am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Right - exactly as we did before.

Precisely.

48 darthstar  Jan 7, 2015 11:03:29am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

He has analysts!!

He’s an anal cyst.

49 Mattand  Jan 7, 2015 11:03:32am

re: #37 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher already blaming it on liberal tolerance of extremist intolerance. Not one damned thing that he can’t fucking use in his culture war obsessions.

That’s exactly what Bill Maher’s going to do on his show on Friday. Guaranteed.

How much you want to bet Sam “I’m not saying eradicate Muslims everywhere, BUT…” Harris to make a surprise appearance?

50 The Ghost of a Funky Discarded Egg  Jan 7, 2015 11:03:58am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right on cue I’m seeing people calling for everyone to post the anti-Islam cartoons from Charlie Hebdo. This strikes me as exactly the wrong thing to do. We should carry on doing exactly what we were doing before the attack, not indulge in a fear-driven blustering campaign to offend Muslims as much as possible.

They’re going to have a hard time, since while Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons were obscene and featured Muhammed, they weren’t anti-Islam, and were quite specific about mocking Islamists and fanatics.

Indeed, the running theme of their Muhammed covers is Muhammed being victimized by his conservative followers.

51 Dark_Falcon  Jan 7, 2015 11:06:19am

re: #50 The Ghost of a Funky Discarded Egg

They’re going to have a hard time, since while Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons were obscene and featured Muhammed, they weren’t anti-Islam, and were quite specific about mocking Islamists and fanatics.

Indeed, the running theme of their Muhammed covers is Muhammed being victimized by his conservative followers.

That’s an easy problem to solve: Just post the cartoon and say “I respect their right to free speech, even though they were foolish and naive eurosocialists.”

BBL

52 lostlakehiker  Jan 7, 2015 11:06:38am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

The RWNJs don’t have anyone to root for here. Islamic extremists vs. French Liberals.

French liberals! France has stood with the United States since before we made good our independence. Be they liberals, Gaullists, or monarchists, they’re French.

The petty differences between RWNJ’s and liberals of the stripe of Hollande are as nothing compared to the unbridgeable chasm of belief and core values between us and those who calculate that with enough murders of the right editors, the name of him who must not be spoken ill of can be avenged.

53 Kragar  Jan 7, 2015 11:06:52am
54 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 11:07:33am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I get the calls to reproduce Hebdo cartoons as a sign of solidarity but what effect that has will be minimal. At best.

The Islamic terrorists who carried out this attack have already been finding out that - since AQ in Yemen isn’t exactly running Yemen and the caliphate that it and other AQ affiliates have long claimed as their end-goal. They’re killing for the sake of killing. And Western countries, like the US, have gotten good at going after AQ remotely (UAV strikes). In other words, while the results of the Hebdo attack were quite deadly, it will not have the outcome they desired (to cow opposition into silence).

Moreover, AQ in Yemen has no problem slaughtering fellow Muslims by the scores, or as we’ve seen with ISIL or other Islamic terror groups (including Hamas or Hizbullah); they’ve all been more than willing to kill those they deem to not be sufficiently Muslim (or their brand of Islam). The death toll in Syria, for example, continues to rise towards 200,000 and nearly all the victims there are Muslims - as the result of other Muslims killing them.

The same story goes for those killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Pakistan.

55 Romantic Heretic  Jan 7, 2015 11:07:41am

Might be speaking out of my ass here but I personally doubt that this is Islamic terrorists.

The magazine might have posted a satirical cartoon of Mohammed but I guarantee they posted a lot of satirical stuff about the Crazy Right. A Crazy Right that is just as vicious and murderous as any Islamist, and there are far more of them in France. Just as the Crazy Right far outnumbers the Islamists here in Canada and the US.

So until a trial is held and people are convicted I’m more inclined to believe RWNJs did this than Islamists.

56 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:10:49am

re: #55 Romantic Heretic

Might be speaking out of my ass here but I personally doubt that this is Islamic terrorists.

The magazine might have posted a satirical cartoon of Mohammed but I guarantee they posted a lot of satirical stuff about the Crazy Right. A Crazy Right that is just as vicious and murderous as any Islamist, and there are far more of them in France. Just as the Crazy Right far outnumbers the Islamists here in Canada and the US.

So until a trial is held and people are convicted I’m more inclined to believe RWNJs did this than Islamists.

For myself, I’m sticking with the 24 Hour Rule.

I do not understand the need of those on the Right to have things pronounced as Islamic Terrorism while the last shell casing is still in the air.

57 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 11:11:38am

Media outlets are handling the Hebdo cartoons in various fashions. AFP has its own position; in photos that it has of Hebdo cartoonists or cartoons, they’re run as is; the purchasing media outlets can decide to pixelate them or not.

58 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 11:11:42am

re: #55 Romantic Heretic

No - it was almost certainly radical Islamists: France Hunts for Gunmen Who Killed 12 People at Paris Magazine

Shouting “God is great” in Arabic, masked gunmen stormed the offices of a French satirical magazine Wednesday, killing 12 people including the magazine’s editor, his bodyguard and a prominent cartoonist.

Police said two or three hooded attackers armed with at least one Kalashnikov rifle and pump-action shotgun infiltrated the building near the Bastille monument around 11:40 a.m. local time and opened fire on a staff meeting at the magazine Charlie Hebdo. The weekly publication has published controversial depictions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad that angered Muslims around the world.

The gunmen went to the second- and third-floor editorial offices and attacked journalists, shouting “God is great” in Arabic during the assault and then fleeing the scene, authorities said. The men were reported to have spoken earlier in fluent, unaccented French as they entered the building.

59 Lidane  Jan 7, 2015 11:12:17am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

And right on cue I’m seeing morons linking to and naming Spencer and Geller as “experts” on Islam.

WTF.

60 Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2015 11:12:30am

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

For myself, I’m sticking with the 24 Hour Rule.

I do not understand the need of those on the Right to have things pronounced as Islamic Terrorism while the last shell casing is still in the air.

Sane online commenters desperately need to develop a curriculum on “Doubt and Certainty in Blogging”.

en.wikipedia.org

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:13:01am

re: #50 The Ghost of a Funky Discarded Egg

They’re going to have a hard time, since while Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons were obscene and featured Muhammed, they weren’t anti-Islam, and were quite specific about mocking Islamists and fanatics.

Indeed, the running theme of their Muhammed covers is Muhammed being victimized by his conservative followers.

That sort of thinking is too hard for them.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:13:29am

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

That’s an easy problem to solve: Just post the cartoon and say “I respect their right to free speech, even though they were foolish and naive eurosocialists.”

BBL

That doesn’t make any sense in the least.

63 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 11:14:18am

Trending on Twitter: #KillAllMuslims

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:15:01am

re: #52 lostlakehiker

LOL!

Oh, wait…you were being serious?

65 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 11:15:55am

Right on schedule, the gun-fuckers are all like HURR HURR MOAR GUNZ!!!! MOAR GUNS EVERYWEAR!!!1!!!1!!

66 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:16:24am
67 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:16:58am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

Right on schedule, the gun-fuckers are all like HURR HURR MOAR GUNZ!!!! MOAR GUNS EVERYWEAR!!!1!!!1!!

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Right. In America, they’d have been law-abiding gun owners, right up till they fired the first shot.

68 lostlakehiker  Jan 7, 2015 11:17:05am

re: #55 Romantic Heretic

Might be speaking out of my ass here but I personally doubt that this is Islamic terrorists.

The magazine might have posted a satirical cartoon of Mohammed but I guarantee they posted a lot of satirical stuff about the Crazy Right. A Crazy Right that is just as vicious and murderous as any Islamist, and there are far more of them in France. Just as the Crazy Right far outnumbers the Islamists here in Canada and the US.

So until a trial is held and people are convicted I’m more inclined to believe RWNJs did this than Islamists.

You’ve been smoking some really good stuff.

Honestly!? You will have us believe that this is a false flag stunt? That it is the work of three Anders Breivik types? Because the people who did this are on tape shouting Allahu Akhbar.

And they made a getaway. This is not the work of a lone gunman full of delusions.

As to a trial, these guys are no sure thing to be caught at all. If cornered, they are unlikely to surrender.

69 Jenner7  Jan 7, 2015 11:17:55am

Fuck you to the cowards who murdered innocent people today. My thoughts are with the victims, their families and with the people of France.

70 Franklin  Jan 7, 2015 11:17:55am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

Holy fucking strawman.

71 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:17:56am

Ironic to see what topics cause people to join an active thread, for once.

72 FemNaziBitch  Jan 7, 2015 11:18:41am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

I have seen one (Tweeter blocked) and Mattand said he went to infowars (shudder) and that shit is everywhere.

To some the Jews are responsible because they exist.

to others, it’s because they “occupy” Israel.

Whatever, if it wasn’t the Jews it would be some other reason.

It’s just those pesky Jews won’t go away so they always get the blame.

*spit*

73 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 7, 2015 11:19:19am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

Right on schedule, the gun-fuckers are all like HURR HURR MOAR GUNZ!!!! MOAR GUNS EVERYWEAR!!!1!!!1!!

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You don’t seem to realize that our heroic gunwankers would be able to shoot those attackers down dead - even though the attackers had the element of surprise and their weapons at the ready.

74 FemNaziBitch  Jan 7, 2015 11:19:27am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

It says a lot about the state of Journalism when the major networks put more effort into the graphics than the reporting.

And can’t tell their pixels from their vectors . .

75 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 11:19:30am

OH LOOK ANOTHER IDIOT WHO DOES NOT LIKE THE “CSA FLAG IS FOR LOSERS” MEME

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:19:58am

re: #68 lostlakehiker

You’ve been smoking some really good stuff.

Honestly!? You will have us believe that this is a false flag stunt? That it is the work of three Anders Breivik types? Because the people who did this are on tape shouting Allahu Akhbar.

And they made a getaway. This is not the work of a lone gunman full of delusions.

As to a trial, these guys are no sure thing to be caught at all. If cornered, they are unlikely to surrender.

Because no non-Islamist troublemakers would EVER think of wearing balaclavas and shouting that to stir up trouble…

O_o

77 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 7, 2015 11:20:11am

re: #49 Mattand

That’s exactly what Bill Maher’s going to do on his show on Friday. Guaranteed.

How much you want to bet Sam “I’m not saying eradicate Muslims everywhere, BUT…” to make a surprise appearance?

Maher doesn’t use Islam as a cudgel to hit Republicans. Conservative religous nuts like Dreher absolutely love using Salfist wackos as some sort of indictment of strawman liberal PC buffoonery.

Maher has legitimate critiques, although he is sloppy about painting everybody in the Islamic world with a Salafist and Wahabist extremist brush.

Yes, medieval attitudes, nihilism and horrific human rights abuses are rampant in certain interpretive sects of Islam.

Yes, the fact that there is no overriding authority for Islam and the interpretation of Islamic Law and various sacred texts makes it easy for nuts and charlatans to create nihilistic murder cults.

Yes, you can find scientific polls of Muslims in Egypt that indicate many people believe some things that are utterly incompatible with our own values about religious freedom. (And guess what…they think our culture is just as fucked up, but for different reasons)

Yes, you can even make a case that democracy is incompatible with some brands of orthodox Sunni Islam (although you could have made a similar case regarding both Protestant and Catholic Christianity during the 30 Year War in Germany during the 1600’s) since as structured, it allows for no division between religion and civic life.

Different cultures have very different values. Some of those values may be things we find strange or even abhorrant, and often those things have little to do with religion. In any event, the overwheming majority of Muslims do not support this sort of thing and find it just as reprehensible as anybody else.

Maher needs to acknowledge that.

78 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 11:20:34am

Email from one of the loons still raging at me for renouncing the right:

Hey Chuck-O: Remember when you slandered Pro Köln for no good reason? They later showed the Mohammed cartoons and narrowly escaped an Islamist hit squad. But no one really cared cause they were “bad right-wing populists”. Now the Islamo-Fascists have come for the French press and everyone yells like a stuck pig! To paraphrase Bonhoeffer: “First they came for Pro Köln, but I said nothing.. then they came for me.” How did Obama put it? “The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”! Perhaps you should begin re-thinking your ass-kissing appeasement policy before history leaves you and your ilk entirely discredited as the Quislings you are.

79 FemNaziBitch  Jan 7, 2015 11:20:58am

re: #7 lawhawk

The name of one of the officers killed has been announced:

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… .the people behind this attack are not religious. They are monsters.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:23:45am

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

How old is that map? The colors for Kentucky aren’t correct for uninsured, at least for my county (which is high in poverty, but our insured rate has drastically improved since the implementation of Kynect).

81 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 11:24:03am

What this creep describes as “slandered pro-Köln for no good reason” was actually pointing out that the group’s leaders had extensive ties to neo-Nazis. People like my emailer always were absolutely fine with this.

82 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 11:24:32am

ISLAMOPHOBE, MISOGYNIST & NEO-CONFEDERATE, A TRIFECTA OF DERPITUDE:

83 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 7, 2015 11:25:18am

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

ISLAMOPHOBE, MISOGYNIST & NEO-CONFEDERATE, A TRIFECTA OF DERPITUDE:

I didn’t know that Dr Tiller had been shot by a Muslim.
////

84 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 11:25:36am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

How old is that map? The colors for Kentucky aren’t correct for uninsured, at least for my county (which is high in poverty, but our insured rate has drastically improved since the implementation of Kynect).

It’s from 2010, I just needed a quick poverty map. I don’t think prosperity has trickled down to the former Confederacy since then.

85 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:25:39am

re: #81 Charles Johnson

What this creep describes as “slandered pro-Köln for no good reason” was actually pointing out that the group’s leaders had extensive ties to neo-Nazis. People like my emailer always were absolutely fine with this.

Sounds like more false dichotomy at work. Apparently it’s not possible to simultaneously had Nazis and violent Islamists, if the latter attack the former.

86 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:26:43am

Muslim leaders were out condemning these attacks within hours and yet we have a trending hashtag advocating killing all Muslims.

Stop the world, I’d like to get off and extend an offer to all sane people to join me.

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:26:44am

OK, the temperature here keeps dropping (nowhere near the forecast high for today) and the wind isn’t slowing down.
So, I’m off to haul water to the barn and pull down more hay.
If I’m not back in 15 minutes, send out search & rescue…

88 Mattand  Jan 7, 2015 11:27:36am

re: #77 Aunty Entity Dragon

My one critique of your post is that Maher does often complain about “liberal tolerance” of Muslim-associated terror acts. I’ve heard him do it several times on the show, when I was listening to the audio podcasts version.

He may not have the same agenda as a conservative Islamaphobe, but I guarantee he’s going to insult his audience when they push back on his inevitable “I’m not saying all Muslims are terrorists, but they’re all terrorists” bullshit.

89 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:27:49am

re: #86 klystron

Muslim leaders were out condemning these attacks within hours and yet we have a trending hashtag advocating killing all Muslims.

Stop the world, I’d like to get off and extend an offer to all sane people to join me.

You have another world in mind?

90 Kragar  Jan 7, 2015 11:27:51am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Trending on Twitter: #KillAllMuslims

91 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 11:27:55am
92 CuriousLurker  Jan 7, 2015 11:28:05am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right on cue I’m seeing people calling for everyone to post the anti-Islam cartoons from Charlie Hebdo. This strikes me as exactly the wrong thing to do. We should carry on doing exactly what we were doing before the attack, not indulge in a fear-driven blustering campaign to offend Muslims as much as possible.

1000 x THIS. I felt awful over what happened, regardless of my opinion regarding the magazine, but going online and seeing people waving around the most offensive caricatures of Muslims they published isn’t helping. It makes me feel like I’m the enemy—like I deserve to be insulted for the horrible shit some assholes who are complete strangers to me and live thousands of miles away did. It feels like an excuse for people to fly the freak flags that they usually keep hidden.

So, yeah, I’m not doing the whole #JeSuisCharlie thing. I’m not feeling it.

I blocked close to 20 people on Twitter earlier—the hate’s coming from the right and left— and I’m not even going to read the dozens of Google Alerts that are flooding my mailbox because I don’t want to watch the bigots writhing ecstatically in their hategasms. The media too. They seem creepily eager to talk about and/or repeat the horror. It’s gross.

93 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:28:08am

re: #89 Blind Frog Belly White

You have another world in mind?

I am open to suggestion!

94 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 7, 2015 11:28:30am

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, the temperature here keeps dropping (nowhere near the forecast high for today) and the wind isn’t slowing down.
So, I’m off to haul water to the barn and pull down more hay.
If I’m not back in 15 minutes, send out search & rescue…

Oh heck, it’s only 75° here today.

95 Mattand  Jan 7, 2015 11:28:47am

re: #86 klystron

Muslim leaders were out condemning these attacks within hours and yet we have a trending hashtag advocating killing all Muslims.

Stop the world, I’d like to get off and extend an offer to all sane people to join me.

Do you have wifi there?

96 Franklin  Jan 7, 2015 11:28:53am
97 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:29:18am

re: #92 CuriousLurker

Come join me on my new world somewhere.

Where the sane people will be allowed.

And we’ll do lots of crafting and fun things.

I’m totally dreaming, I know, but reality is not what I want to deal with right now.

98 Dr Lizardo  Jan 7, 2015 11:29:24am

re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

So advocating mass murder is cool with Twitter and their TOS?

Good to know.

*headdesk*

99 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:30:04am

re: #96 Franklin

Why
won’t
muslims
denounce
this
terrorism!!!!!!

Well, yeah, but obviously they don’t denounce it loudly enough to be heard over the idiots shouting that Muslims never denounce it.

100 Franklin  Jan 7, 2015 11:30:05am

re: #86 klystron

Muslim leaders were out condemning these attacks within hours and yet we have a trending hashtag advocating killing all Muslims.

Stop the world, I’d like to get off and extend an offer to all sane people to join me.

Why the fuck should we get off, they’re the crazy ones!

101 KerFuFFler  Jan 7, 2015 11:30:24am

re: #5 KerFuFFler

I’ve only seen one accusation that “the Jews” are behind this attack, but the day is young.

OK, now I’ve seen my second one, this time fingering Mossad.

Wake up $h€€PL£ @paulsmith031158
Follow
@joshuafoust probably Mossad job, get anti Muslim attitude growing , French did support Palestine in UN didn’t they?

102 Jenner7  Jan 7, 2015 11:30:26am
103 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:30:39am

re: #100 Franklin

Why the fuck should we get off, they’re the crazy ones!

Yeah, but I’m ready for a move and I think it would be faster.

104 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:31:41am

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

So advocating mass murder is cool with Twitter and their TOS?

Good to know.

*headdesk*

That suggests a great deal more involvement on the part of Twitter (the company) in the minute-by-minute postings on Twitter (the service) than I think is likely, or possible.

105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 7, 2015 11:32:13am

re:
#82

Offend a Christian and he is obliged to pray for your salvation.

Hurr hurr I haz flag DONT TREAD ON ME!!!!1 and I haz moar gunz. Gun control is shooting libtards!!!!1

106 CuriousLurker  Jan 7, 2015 11:32:23am

re: #97 klystron

{{{klys}}}

107 KerFuFFler  Jan 7, 2015 11:32:47am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

What do you know - it looks like the FBI did have conclusive evidence that North Korea was behind the Sony hacks after all.

But Chuckles totally averted a war with NK all by himself by exposing the truf.//

108 Dr Lizardo  Jan 7, 2015 11:32:53am

re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White

Fair enough…..but I do wonder if Twitter will ultimately move to block that odious hashtag.

109 FemNaziBitch  Jan 7, 2015 11:33:03am

re: #95 Mattand

Do you have wifi there?

dogs, chocolate, coffee, garlic … .?

110 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:33:12am

re: #106 CuriousLurker

I can’t even imagine how bad it must be for you (and all other sane Muslims).

{{ CL }}

111 FemNaziBitch  Jan 7, 2015 11:33:32am

re: #97 klystron

Come join me on my new world somewhere.

Where the sane people will be allowed.

And we’ll do lots of crafting and fun things.

I’m totally dreaming, I know, but reality is not what I want to deal with right now.

I just immerse myself in Sci-Fi and come up for air everyonce in a while.

112 Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2015 11:33:43am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Trending on Twitter: #KillAllMuslims

Lovely. The “pro-life” movement marches on…..

113 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 11:33:46am

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

Of course.

I want a better world, which means it would be stupid to give up the good stuff from this one.

114 FemNaziBitch  Jan 7, 2015 11:34:44am

re: #100 Franklin

Why the fuck should we get off, they’re the crazy ones!

You gotta know when to hold em’, know when to fold ‘em,
Know when to walk away …

115 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 11:37:47am

re: #108 Dr Lizardo

Fair enough…..but I do wonder if Twitter will ultimately move to block that odious hashtag.

Ha! They wont even temporarily suspend people who engage in stalking or doxxing and other TOS violations, so don’t count on them doing anything re: hashtag.

But you can coopt it.

116 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:39:33am

re: #115 lawhawk

Ha! They wont even temporarily suspend people who engage in stalking or doxxing and other TOS violations, so don’t count on them doing anything re: hashtag.

But you can coopt it.

[Embedded content]

Perhaps the #KillAllMuslims people should get together with ISIS and AQ, since they seem to be the most active Muslim-killing organizations out there.

//

117 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 11:40:59am
118 CuriousLurker  Jan 7, 2015 11:42:33am

re: #101 KerFuFFler

OK, now I’ve seen my second one, this time fingering Mossad.

It’s par for the course. Some Muslims will be in denial and blame the Mossad and/or CIA. The bigots, racists, and conspiracy theorists who inhabit the moronic convergence zone will be blame it on Jews/Zionists being in cahoots with Islamists & commies so they can rule the world.

It doesn’t have to make sense. Like I said in my #92, it’s just an excuse for the haters to let their freak flags fly.

119 Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2015 11:42:36am

I’m surprised it took this long for someone to bring up Benghazi

Limbaugh Suggests Obama’s Response To Benghazi Is Partly Responsible For Paris Terrorist Attack

120 Ace-o-aces  Jan 7, 2015 11:43:11am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Trending on Twitter: #KillAllMuslims

MUZLIMS ARE VIOLENT AND WANT TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRIES. SO WE SHOULD KILL ALL MUSLIMS AND TAKE OVER THEIR COUNTRIES. THAT’LL SHOW WHY WE R BETTER!

121 Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2015 11:46:56am
122 CuriousLurker  Jan 7, 2015 11:47:25am

re: #115 lawhawk

Yeah, I tweeted a news report this morning about 37 people that died in Yemen in a car bombing. No one bats an eye though.

And that isn’t an occasional occurrence—dozens, sometimes hundreds, of Muslims get killed every week by terrorists.

123 Dr Lizardo  Jan 7, 2015 11:47:41am

re: #121 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Benghazi Boogaloo, Part Infinity.

*smh*

124 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2015 11:47:57am

GUN-FUCKERS ARE ON THIS LIKE STINK ON SHIT

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:48:09am

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

o.m.g. it’s cold out there! Not so much the 11F temperature, but that 20+mph north wind…YOWSER!
Condensation on the outside of the water jug did indeed freeze during the roundtrip to the barn and my toes are still numb.
eeek!!!

126 jaunte  Jan 7, 2015 11:48:16am
127 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:48:54am

re: #120 Ace-o-aces

MUZLIMS ARE VIOLENT AND WANT TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRIES. SO WE SHOULD KILL ALL MUSLIMS AND TAKE OVER THEIR COUNTRIES. THAT’LL SHOW WHY WE R BETTER!

Apparently, the idea that American Exceptionalism depends on America acting exceptionally is lost on many, who seem to prefer to allow those who do the worst things to set the bar for our behavior.

128 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 11:49:06am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Obama’s response to Benghazi?

Let’s just ignore the laundry list (and it’s a pretty lengthy one) of terrorists killed or captured by the US under orders from President Obama, starting with Osama bin Laden, Awlaki, and the hundreds of terrorists killed in multiple UAV strikes across Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, frontier provinces, and Afghanistan.

The cognitive dissonance is strong with the right. They’ve fixated on a bogus claim and ignore all information that disproves their worldview, but go on making the same bogus claims for years on end.

129 Dr Lizardo  Jan 7, 2015 11:49:11am

re: #122 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I tweeted a news report this morning about 37 people that died in Yemen in a car bombing. No one bats an eye though.

And that isn’t an occasional occurrence—dozens, sometimes hundreds, of Muslims get killed every week by terrorists.

Precisely; in sad fact, it’s actually the rare day that goes by without some act of takfiri extremist violence targeting Muslims.

130 jaunte  Jan 7, 2015 11:49:14am
eight shootings with 12 or more killed in the last 16 years

But that’s ok, it wasn’t ‘political.’

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:49:56am

re: #94 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Oh heck, it’s only 75° here today.

shut up….

132 Thanos  Jan 7, 2015 11:50:21am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

What do you know - it looks like the FBI did have conclusive evidence that North Korea was behind the Sony hacks after all.

When they made accusations I knew they must have something pretty solid, you just don’t accuse other nuclear powers of things like that on thin evidence — it’s not so much that you care what Kim thinks, but you don’t want to appear the fool on the world stage, it harms your diplomatic abilities with others.

133 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2015 11:51:02am

re: #128 lawhawk

Obama’s response to Benghazi?

Let’s just ignore the laundry list (and it’s a pretty lengthy one) of terrorists killed or captured by the US under orders from President Obama, starting with Osama bin Laden, Awlaki, and the hundreds of terrorists killed in multiple UAV strikes across Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, frontier provinces, and Afghanistan.

The cognitive dissonance is strong with the right. They’ve fixated on a bogus claim and ignore all information that disproves their worldview, but go on making the same bogus claims for years on end.

He didn’t interrupt the programming on all networks as the Benghazi attack was going on to pronounce it a terrorist act, so he’s clearly soft on terror.

wish I were /////

134 CuriousLurker  Jan 7, 2015 11:51:13am

re: #120 Ace-o-aces

MUZLIMS ARE VIOLENT AND WANT TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRIES. SO WE SHOULD KILL ALL MUSLIMS AND TAKE OVER THEIR COUNTRIES. THAT’LL SHOW WHY WE R BETTER!

I was thinking exactly the same thing earlier today.

Here, have some extra updings.

135 Dr Lizardo  Jan 7, 2015 11:51:38am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

shut up….

We here in Ostrava are gonna get quite a change.

From a daytime of high of 30 F forecast for tomorrow (Thursday) to 50 F by Saturday.

And 50 F is very warm for the Czech Republic in January.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:52:47am

re: #113 klystron

Of course.

I want a better world, which means it would be stupid to give up the good stuff from this one.

There will be wifi in the Backwoods Underground Spaceship Bunker’s massive crafting loft.

137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 7, 2015 11:53:12am

re: #59 Lidane

And right on cue I’m seeing morons linking to and naming Spencer and Geller as “experts” on Islam.

WTF.

Really? What morons, we have Bryan Fischer and Pat Robertson to refer to…

138 Ace-o-aces  Jan 7, 2015 11:53:34am
139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:54:20am

re: #122 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I tweeted a news report this morning about 37 people that died in Yemen in a car bombing. No one bats an eye though.

And that isn’t an occasional occurrence—dozens, sometimes hundreds, of Muslims get killed every week by terrorists.

And that bombing was at a police academy!

140 Ace-o-aces  Jan 7, 2015 11:55:54am
141 lawhawk  Jan 7, 2015 11:56:35am

re: #122 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I tweeted a news report this morning about 37 people that died in Yemen in a car bombing. No one bats an eye though.

And that isn’t an occasional occurrence—dozens, sometimes hundreds, of Muslims get killed every week by terrorists.

QFT

Absolutely. Muslim terrorists target schools - killing hundreds (as happened in Pakistan a few weeks back). Boko Haram in Nigeria kidnaps hundreds, kills scores others, and that’s a daily threat.

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2015 11:57:34am

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

We here in Ostrava are gonna get quite a change.

From a daytime of high of 30 F forecast for tomorrow (Thursday) to 50 F by Saturday.

And 50 F is very warm for the Czech Republic in January.

If I can survive until Sunday, the forecast calls for 36F (first time above freezing in seven days).
I’m not hopeful.

143 Dr Lizardo  Jan 7, 2015 11:58:08am

OT, but here in Ostrava, this happened today:

Fans of the iconic British television series Monty Python’s Flying Circus gathered at the Milos Sykora bridge on Wednesday afternoon and walked through the center of Ostrava.

All participants marched in a nice suit, bowler hat and briefcases with the inscription “Silly Walk 2015”, today being celebrated as the International Day of Silly Walks, which comes from the famous Monty Python TV series.

Passersby and others were entertained by the peculiar gaits. “Although we were very cold, it was fun and amazing. We look forward to it next year”, said Petr Ondruš, who participated in the first edition of Silly Walks Ostrava !!!

Translated from the Czech original. Photos at link below:

moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

144 dog philosopher  Jan 7, 2015 11:58:37am

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

We here in Ostrava are gonna get quite a change.

From a daytime of high of 30 F forecast for tomorrow (Thursday) to 50 F by Saturday.

And 50 F is very warm for the Czech Republic in January.

one reason why i love california:

‘winter’ of a few weeks with daytime temps in the low 50s has now given way to spring where we are back up in the 60s

145 CuriousLurker  Jan 7, 2015 12:01:50pm

I see there’s a shiny new thread up, so I’m gonna go focus on coding since the internet is making me cranky today.

Thanks for being an island of sanity—later, lizards.

146 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 12:04:27pm

re: #144 dog philosopher

one reason why i love california:

‘winter’ of a few weeks with daytime temps in the low 50s has now given way to spring where we are back up in the 60s

NO. NO. THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING.

/sulky

147 #FergusonFireside  Jan 7, 2015 12:07:24pm
148 3eff Jeff  Jan 7, 2015 12:07:58pm

re: #146 klystron

NO. NO. THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING.

/sulky

There’s a good chance we’ll get another bout of winter in late February or March. Probably still won’t be enough to fix the drought. The weather right now is just January in California. It ain’t spring yet.

149 Dr Lizardo  Jan 7, 2015 12:08:11pm

re: #144 dog philosopher

one reason why i love california:

‘winter’ of a few weeks with daytime temps in the low 50s has now given way to spring where we are back up in the 60s

It looks like temperatures will be warming up here starting this weekend - at the very least, it will be in the mid-40s according to the 10 day forecast.

150 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 12:08:43pm

re: #148 3eff Jeff

There’s a good chance we’ll get another bout of winter in late February or March. Probably still won’t be enough to fix the drought. The weather right now is just January in California. It ain’t spring yet.

We should be getting rain now anyway, but …bleh.

Seven years, I am desperate for actual seasons again.

151 3eff Jeff  Jan 7, 2015 12:12:07pm

re: #150 klystron

We should be getting rain now anyway, but …bleh.

Seven years, I am desperate for actual seasons again.

It has done this nearly every year I’ve been in California (9 years now). Rain and storms in late fall, hitting a peak in December. Right after Christmas, it all disappears for 6-8 weeks, and then we get another round of rainfall for early spring.

There’s snow in the Sierras. You can run up and get some real winter and clean air for a weekend, and then not have to live in it. :-)

152 3eff Jeff  Jan 7, 2015 12:12:24pm

(And I should probably move to the new thread, as is the custom…)

153 klystron  Jan 7, 2015 12:13:23pm

re: #152 3eff Jeff

(And I should probably move to the new thread, as is the custom…)

Eh, I’m just keeping the off-topic stuff down here. ;)

I am told that winter used to be better and involved more rain but that is all before I arrived. Even the storms have been disappointing since I have moved out here.

154 WhatEVs  Jan 7, 2015 12:16:23pm

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

dogs, chocolate, coffee, garlic … .?

Yup…all of which are mandatory for wherever I go. I am totally with ya. Between dogs and coffee…hmmm…can’t decide which is more mandatory for sustaining life.

155 3eff Jeff  Jan 7, 2015 12:18:05pm

re: #153 klystron

Eh, I’m just keeping the off-topic stuff down here. ;)

I am told that winter used to be better and involved more rain but that is all before I arrived. Even the storms have been disappointing since I have moved out here.

It’s definitely gotten drier in the last decade. My main measure of a storm is inches of snowfall at 6,000-8,000’, and there have been good storms in the past couple years. It was alternating for a while, but this winter has been mediocre (OTOH, last winter was dismal, so it might still be alternating, just overall getting worse).

(I might be a bit envious of Teleskiguy’s winter.)

156 Bubblehead II  Jan 7, 2015 12:24:14pm

re: #101 KerFuFFler

OK, now I’ve seen my second one, this time fingering Mossad.

Yeah, I blocked that one.

157 Click My Icon To Watch This Short French Film.  Jan 7, 2015 12:29:28pm

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

A couple of years ago I was talking with a German man during a flight.
He and his wife had lived in America for 5 years. He told me that in he and his wife’s opinion there was no doubt that America produced the best most superior people in the world.
He then told me that there was also no doubt that America also produces the worst, most despicable people in the world.

He said that the fact one country contains both the best and the worst of humanity is what makes America so fascinating to everyone!
Haha.

158 Eventual Carrion  Jan 7, 2015 1:00:40pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

He didn’t interrupt the programming on all networks as the Benghazi attack was going on to pronounce it a terrorist act, so he’s clearly soft on terror.

wish I were /////

He was busy reading “The Pet Goat” probably.

159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 7, 2015 1:27:28pm

re: #157 Click My Icon To Watch This Short French Film.

A couple of years ago I was talking with a German man during a flight.
He and his wife had lived in America for 5 years. He told me that in he and his wife’s opinion there was no doubt that America produced the best most superior people in the world.
He then told me that there was also no doubt that America also produces the worst, most despicable people in the world.

He said that the fact one country contains both the best and the worst of humanity is what makes America so fascinating to everyone!
Haha.

As an American living in Germany, I can say that Germany produces the the best most average people in the world…in many senses of the word.

They still have a functioning middle class, folks do their jobs well but still have five weeks of vacation a year. People drink regularly, sometimes in excess, but generally in a social setting that gets boisterous but with minimum property damage, people have their hangups, but they rarely result in physical violence or psychological/social terror.

But Germany does beat the world for having the worst possible drivers.

Things work the way they are supposed to and generally do not break down before the warranty period expires…

160 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 7, 2015 2:14:24pm

re: #55 Romantic Heretic

Might be speaking out of my ass here but I personally doubt that this is Islamic terrorists.

The magazine might have posted a satirical cartoon of Mohammed but I guarantee they posted a lot of satirical stuff about the Crazy Right. A Crazy Right that is just as vicious and murderous as any Islamist, and there are far more of them in France. Just as the Crazy Right far outnumbers the Islamists here in Canada and the US.

So until a trial is held and people are convicted I’m more inclined to believe RWNJs did this than Islamists.

What was that river in Egypt?

161 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 7, 2015 2:18:14pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right on cue I’m seeing people calling for everyone to post the anti-Islam cartoons from Charlie Hebdo. This strikes me as exactly the wrong thing to do. We should carry on doing exactly what we were doing before the attack, not indulge in a fear-driven blustering campaign to offend Muslims as much as possible.

Indeed, it shouldn’t be done because of the murder. Making fun of Islam and any other religion should proceed regardless.


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Pregnant Women Are Being Arrested for Crimes They Didn’t Know They Committed Laurie was five months pregnant when she used methamphetamine. She'd previously been on anxiety medication, but her doctor switched her to an opiate when she told him she had history for drug addiction. She said the opiate made her ...
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Manchester: Defiant and Proud Everybody reading this will have some connection to Manchester. Whether it's music you love (*waves at Charles*), football you enjoy, science you respect or that radical tradition you've read of, Manchester is a World City we all have some ...
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