NPR: FBI Offers New Evidence Connecting North Korea to Sony Hack

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NPR’s All Things Considered has a report on the Sony hack, and the FBI’s new evidence that North Korea was responsible for the cyber attack. According to FBI director James Comey, the attackers screwed up and occasionally used IP addresses to send email that were “exclusively used by the North Koreans.”

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1 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 11:02:17am

I won’t believe this until I check with Chuckie first.

2 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 11:02:19am

Bullshit! The FBI doesn’t speak fluent French and it doesn’t have an IQ of 158.

3 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:02:24am
4 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:04:30am

The thing about Chuck is that he’s never wrong. Except all the time.

5 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:05:44am

In other news, Glenn Greenwald and his obsessive sycophant Mona Holland are having a squabble over the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

6 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 11:06:25am

Sony was planning to hack North Korea in reprisal, but there was too much studio infighting over the ancillary markets.

7 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 11:06:32am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The thing about Chuck is that he’s never wrong. Except all the time.

Be nice. The boy can’t help it if he thinks that an IP address is where the IP family lives.

8 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 11:07:13am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

In other news, Glenn Greenwald and his obsessive sycophant Mona Holland are having a squabble over the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

What, they can’t agree on whether the Mossad or the Elders of Zion are responsible?

9 unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2015 11:08:44am

If this is true, it may explain reluctance by US to disclose the email evidence earlier, since NK’s net services (including email) go thru China. Presumably it was not “just metadata”.

10 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 11:10:07am

Uccchhh

11 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:10:33am
12 Richterscale  Jan 8, 2015 11:11:25am

Well, I’m convinced now. After all, the FBI would never lie, and email spoofing doesn’t exist. Case closed.

13 Lidane  Jan 8, 2015 11:11:54am

Heh.

14 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 11:12:48am

There’s nothing like a bit of the old ultraviolence to awaken GG from his slumber.

15 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 11:12:56am

re: #12 Richterscale

Well, I’m convinced now. After all, the FBI would never lie, and email spoofing doesn’t exist. Case closed.

So which is it, spoofing or lying about it?

16 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 11:15:08am

re: #12 Richterscale

Well, I’m convinced now. After all, the FBI would never lie, and email spoofing doesn’t exist. Case closed.

You do realize that the possibility of a lie doesn’t guarantee it’s a lie.

17 darthstar  Jan 8, 2015 11:15:39am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The thing about Chuck is that he’s never wrong. Except all the time.

He should stick to defending pedophiles - he seems to be more comfortable in that space.

18 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:17:42am
19 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 11:20:15am
20 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:20:32am

re: #12 Richterscale

Well, I’m convinced now. After all, the FBI would never lie, and email spoofing doesn’t exist. Case closed.

I don’t automatically accept this as proof, but in the real world there would be grave consequences if the FBI lied about something this important, and then were found out. Occam’s Razor says it’s more likely they’re telling the truth.

21 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 11:23:26am

Has Greenwald said that France had that attack coming to them yet?

22 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 11:23:46am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

On the ledger of evidence for and against NK involvement, there’s far more evidence pointing to North Korean involvement than not. So far, Chuckles and other ppl claiming that North Korea isn’t involved, or isn’t primarily involved, or had someone on the inside, or other permutations of non-North Korean involvement, have just theories to base their claims on.

The FBI is providing substantive information about why they say NK is behind it. And the FBI is still more trustworthy than Chuckles’ sources.

23 jaunte  Jan 8, 2015 11:25:21am
24 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 11:25:43am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I don’t automatically accept this as proof, but in the real world there would be grave consequences if the FBI lied about something this important, and then were found out. Occam’s Razor says it’s more likely they’re telling the truth.

I watched The Interview, the movie is really bad (I’m not the intended audience) and I can see why North Korea would be royally pissed.

25 Mattand  Jan 8, 2015 11:26:38am

Off-topic: stopped by a comment section over at Talking Points Memo for the first time in a long time. Jesus, what a shit show.

The Horde at Pharyngula or your average Freeper has more tact and less bile.

26 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 11:31:52am

This is a rather sad and disturbing case. The Connecticut Supreme Court upheld a prior ruling Thursday that a 17-year-old cancer patient cannot refuse chemotherapy treatment for Hodgkin lymphoma.

This young woman had refused chemo, but state protective services had gotten temporary custody to make sure that she received treatments. She had two other treatments before running away, and a missing persons report was filed.

Her mother has stood by her daughter. The daughter then sued to stop the treatments, claiming that she didn’t want to poison her body.

If she were 18, this wouldn’t be an issue since as an adult she’d be able to make the decision to stop her treatment or not do anything. But as a minor, she doesn’t have that right.

By refusing care, she was pretty much giving herself no chance at long term survival. With treatment, she should be able to go into remission.

27 Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2015 11:33:06am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The thing about Chuck is that he’s never wrong. Except all the time.

Hey, until the FBI gets their findings verified by a random twitter account consisting of cat pictures, it’s not verified! Because that’s how research works!

28 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2015 11:35:40am

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

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“Plunged into darkness” ? Gosh that almost makes it seem accidental. Why not just “Goes dark”?

29 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 11:36:05am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I don’t automatically accept this as proof, but in the real world there would be grave consequences if the FBI lied about something this important, and then were found out. Occam’s Razor says it’s more likely they’re telling the truth.

The amount of people mistaking a tinfoil hat for common sense because the government is involved is …sad.

30 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2015 11:37:25am

Who to trust? A mentally unstable loser with an extremely spotty track record OR The FBI?

Such a difficult decision…

31 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 11:37:33am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The thing about Chuck is that he’s never wrong. Except all the time.

Who are you going to trust, the FBI or the GBI?*

*Ginger Bureau of Investigation

32 BeachDem  Jan 8, 2015 11:38:25am

Yeah, the only thing standing between upchuck and a Senate seat is his age. Keep dreaming, ginger avenger.

33 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 11:42:47am

re: #29 klystron

The amount of people mistaking a tinfoil hat for common sense because the government is involved is …sad.

Fuck, common sense isn’t even common sense. A tinfoil (aluminum foil) hat is negative common sense.

34 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 11:42:59am

re: #32 BeachDem

Yeah, the only thing standing between upchuck and a Senate seat is his age. Keep dreaming, ginger avenger.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh man, it would be so much fun to see him run. HAHAHA.

35 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 11:43:39am

DERP OF THE DAY:

36 Kryptik  Jan 8, 2015 11:43:56am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I honestly wonder how many people demanding that the cartoons be shown or acting like them showing it is a brave act are actually stalwarts of free speech and how many are just looking for an excuse to thumb those evil evil savage Muslins in the eye.

37 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 8, 2015 11:44:50am

re: #13 Lidane

“Except where I follow the Chamber of Commerce’s line all the time.”

38 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 11:44:56am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

39 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 11:45:21am

In other news, Ron Paul is an asshole:

Ron Paul On Paris Attack: Bad Foreign Policy “Invites Retaliation”

Paul said the context for the attack, however, was France’s involvement in the Middle East.

“But in the context of things, France has been a target for many, many years, because they’ve been involved in foreign affairs in Libya, and they really prodded us along in — recently in Libya, but they’ve been involved in Algeria, so they’ve had attacks like this, you know, not infrequently. So, it does involve, you know, their foreign policy as well. When people do this, you know, the rejection of the violence has to be made, and with that I agree.”

Fuck that guy.

40 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 11:45:46am

re: #33 b_sharp

Fuck, common sense isn’t even common sense. A tinfoil (aluminum foil) hat is negative common sense.

I was having this discussion with the husband yesterday, regarding attitudes in some security circles about this - and how while it is common sense to take things with a grain of salt, it is tinfoil to assume that everything from the government is wrong, simply because it is the government.

41 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 8, 2015 11:46:02am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer couldn’t get in the word “sodomy” in this tweet? He’s really falling down on the job.

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42 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 11:46:22am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

DERP OF THE DAY:

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43 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 11:46:31am

re: #39 The War TARDIS

In other news, Ron Paul is an asshole:

Ron Paul On Paris Attack: Bad Foreign Policy “Invites Retaliation”

Fuck that guy.

He said something similar about 9/11

44 Thanos  Jan 8, 2015 11:46:58am

re: #39 The War TARDIS

It’s always blow back with him until you start talking about those bigoted newsletters he used to put out that were ghostwritten by Lew Rockwell. For those there’s no blow back.

45 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 11:47:59am

re: #32 BeachDem

Yeah, the only thing standing between upchuck and a Senate seat is his age. Keep dreaming, ginger avenger.

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46 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 11:48:25am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Really stumped why anyone takes him seriously.

Though, seeing that many of his fans are White Men between the ages of 18-45 who have never encountered a hard day in their lives, maybe I should be less surprised.

47 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:49:13am

re: #36 Kryptik

One of the main reasons Islamists commit these kinds of atrocities is to provoke exactly this kind of blustery over-reaction in the west and get them to act horrible toward all Muslims. This creates recruitment opportunities for them.

The right wingers who are gleefully letting their hatred flow are doing exactly what the Islamists want them to do.

48 BeachDem  Jan 8, 2015 11:49:18am

re: #34 klystron

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh man, it would be so much fun to see him run. HAHAHA.

Now he’s pushing for Rob Lowe to run (although he’d also vote for Clint Eastwood or James Woods.) Of course, I’m sure whoever wins will serve only as a seat-warmer until upchuck reaches legal age to run—then he’s a lock, because who wouldn’t want an AWARD-WINNING, FRENCH-SPEAKING, WAR-STOPPING journalist to represent them?

49 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 11:49:48am

re: #32 BeachDem

When he loses, will his concession speech consist of him shitting on the floor?

50 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 11:50:13am
51 jaunte  Jan 8, 2015 11:50:16am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Also on guard against the homosexual threat:

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 8, 2015 11:50:28am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

One of the main reasons Islamists commit these kinds of atrocities is to provoke exactly this kind of blustery over-reaction in the west and get them to act horrible toward all Muslims. This creates recruitment opportunities for them.

The right wingers who are gleefully letting their hatred flow are doing exactly what the Islamists want them to do.

Since that also helps the rightwingers recruit as well. The two extremes live off of each other since the hates help each other grow.

53 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 11:50:38am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

Something tells me he is in to that sort of thing.

I really feel so sorry for his wife, she did not look happy in that picture you showed yesterday.

54 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 11:51:25am

re: #52 Feline Fearless Leader

This is why a member of the Saudi Royal Family owns 7% or something of Fox News.

55 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:51:34am

By the way, I finally fixed that annoying display bug where the volume slider for our audio player was showing up beneath the player.

56 unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2015 11:51:54am

re: #33 b_sharp

Fuck, common sense isn’t even common sense. A tinfoil (aluminum foil) hat is negative common sense.

I beg to differ. It’s good cover for the Faraday cage for a cellphone.

57 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 11:52:45am

re: #53 The War TARDIS

Something tells me he is in to that sort of thing.

I really feel so sorry for his wife, she did not look happy in that picture you showed yesterday.

She was also walking a step behind Chuckie. I’m hoping that was just a weird coincidence.

58 Franklin  Jan 8, 2015 11:52:53am

He wishes he was tall enough to ride the roller coaster too.

59 jaunte  Jan 8, 2015 11:52:58am

Hannity bravely takes the fight to Anjem Choudary’s mom.

60 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 11:53:31am

re: #56 unproven innocence

I beg to differ. It’s good cover for the Faraday cage for a cellphone.

It also keeps wireless signals from baking your brain.

61 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 11:54:18am

re: #48 BeachDem

Now he’s pushing for Rob Lowe to run (although he’d also vote for Clint Eastwood or James Woods.) Of course, I’m sure whoever wins will serve only as a seat-warmer until upchuck reaches legal age to run—then he’s a lock, because who wouldn’t want an AWARD-WINNING, FRENCH-SPEAKING, WAR-STOPPING journalist to represent them?

I could totally NOT VOTE FOR HIM but even better VOTE AGAINST HIM.

62 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2015 11:55:50am

I’m still with the “Chuck’s wife is only with him for a green card” angle.

63 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 11:56:24am

While people continue to focus on events in Paris and the ongoing manhunt for the duo behind the terror attack yesterday, Boko Haram is busy adding to its already significant body count.

Local officials are warning that hundreds have been killed since the weekend. A few have suggested 2,000 or more are killed or missing as the terror group overran multiple villages and burned everything to the ground in their wake.

And they did so after overrunning government forces in Baga, which houses the headquarters of the Multinational Joint Task Force (MNJTF) made up of troops from Nigeria, Niger and Chad.

Security analysts this week said that Baga was of strategic importance for Boko Haram, as it was thought to be the last town in northern Borno under federal government control.

The militants, who have seized more than two dozen towns in northeast Nigeria in the last six months, now control all three of Borno’s borders with Niger, Chad and Cameroon.

It’s a huge disaster, but sadly we wont see vigils or demands for justice or US force there. Because Africa.

64 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 11:57:05am
65 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 11:57:27am

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still with the “Chuck’s wife is only with him for a green card” angle.

That’s my guess as well. I can’t see why anyone would stay with someone who’s both arrogant and totally clueless. There are a lot of wingnut women out there though. She could be just as insane as he is.

66 Sionainn  Jan 8, 2015 11:58:02am

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still with the “Chuck’s wife is only with him for a green card” angle.

I missed the photo. :-(

67 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 11:58:09am

re: #63 lawhawk

While people continue to focus on events in Paris and the ongoing manhunt for the duo behind the terror attack yesterday, Boko Haram is busy adding to its already significant body count.

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Local officials are warning that hundreds have been killed since the weekend. A few have suggested 2,000 or more are killed or missing as the terror group overran multiple villages and burned everything to the ground in their wake.

And they did so after overrunning government forces in Baga, which houses the headquarters of the Multinational Joint Task Force (MNJTF) made up of troops from Nigeria, Niger and Chad.

It’s a huge disaster, but sadly we wont see vigils or demands for justice or US force there. Because Africa.

Fuck.

68 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 11:59:12am

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still with the “Chuck’s wife is only with him for a green card” angle.

I really don’t care why his wife is with him or not; she hasn’t asked to be in the public eye and Upchuck has enough issues of his own that I don’t see why she needs to be talked about.

69 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:00:16pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Noted and very much appreciated.

re: #47 Charles Johnson

One of the main reasons Islamists commit these kinds of atrocities is to provoke exactly this kind of blustery over-reaction in the west and get them to act horrible toward all Muslims. This creates recruitment opportunities for them.

The right wingers who are gleefully letting their hatred flow are doing exactly what the Islamists want them to do.

THIS.

70 dog philosopher  Jan 8, 2015 12:04:22pm

havent had time to check the moronosphere

are the wingnuts claiming “libberuls” approve of the charlie attack yet?

71 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 12:04:43pm

re: #70 dog philosopher

havent had time to check the moronosphere

are the wingnuts claiming “libberuls” approve of the charlie attack yet?

Yes.

72 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 12:04:57pm

Wasn’t it just a few months ago where Chuck said he was laughing at the people wthat said that he was interested in running for office?

73 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 12:05:55pm

re: #72 b.d.

Wasn’t it just a few months ago where Chuck said he was laughing at the people wthat said that he was interested in running for office?

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But that was for the House, which would make him much less important. The Senate is totally different.

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74 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:06:00pm

re: #59 jaunte

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Hannity bravely takes the fight to Anjem Choudary’s mom.

It’s so fitting that he would be invited to speak on Fox.

75 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 12:06:15pm

re: #57 b_sharp

She was also walking a step behind Chuckie. I’m hoping that was just a weird coincidence.

Where is this photo?

76 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 12:06:34pm
77 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 12:06:43pm

I’m curious.

78 Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2015 12:06:58pm
79 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 12:08:33pm

re: #73 klystron

But that was for the House, which would make him much less important. The Senate is totally different.

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yep, Chuck is more of the elder statesman type.

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80 Varek Raith  Jan 8, 2015 12:08:49pm

re: #76 Kragar

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Yeah, but, do you support ISIS???
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81 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 12:10:19pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Yeah, but, do you support ISIS???
/

Sure I do.

82 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 12:10:24pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Yeah, but, do you support ISIS???
/

I think that guy Sean Hannity had on does support ISIS. That’s why Sean invited him, to “represent all Muslims”

83 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 12:13:34pm

re: #81 Kragar

All Hail Archer! (returning tonight!)

84 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 12:14:17pm

re: #83 lawhawk

All Hail Archer! (returning tonight!)

Still waiting on for Netflix to get last season

85 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 12:14:33pm

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

This is what they do.

I learned that from how they handled my Imam a few months ago.

86 Jack Burton  Jan 8, 2015 12:15:03pm

re: #81 Kragar

I’ve heard they are going to rename the agency in the show because of the Islamic State.

87 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:15:34pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

It’s so fitting that he would be invited to speak on Fox.

Come to think of it, I wonder why they haven’t offered him a full-time gig as their resident Muslim wingnut. He’d fit in perfectly and reinforce the idea that hateful extremists like him are representative of all Muslims.*

*Not that the Fox audience needs any convincing. //

88 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 12:15:49pm

re: #81 Kragar

Sure I do.

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I stopped wearing my ISIS shirt for a little while because of the Islamist ISIS assholes, then decided that I’m not going to let freaks control what I wear.

89 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 12:16:24pm

re: #86 Jack Burton

I’ve heard they are going to rename the agency in the show because of the Islamic State.

They’re merging with the CIA.

90 ramex  Jan 8, 2015 12:16:38pm

re: #39 The War TARDIS

In other news, Ron Paul is an asshole:

Ron Paul On Paris Attack: Bad Foreign Policy “Invites Retaliation”

Fuck that guy.

How is this any different than the professor who sent all those right wingers into fits for saying something about chickens coming home to roost after 9/11? Is it different because Ron Paul is talking about France and not the USA? Where will the right wing outrage be this time? Chirp, chirp, chirp…

91 Jack Burton  Jan 8, 2015 12:17:09pm

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

I think that guy Sean Hannity had on does support ISIS. That’s why Sean invited him, to “represent all Muslims”

That’s almost as bad as having one of the Phelps clan on to represent all Christians.

92 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 12:19:19pm

re: #91 Jack Burton

That’s almost as bad as having one of the Phelps clan on to represent all Christians.

Or Neturei Karta representing all the Juice.

93 Varek Raith  Jan 8, 2015 12:20:56pm

Or Bill Maher or Sam Harris or Dawkins for us unbelievers.
>_>

94 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 12:20:58pm

re: #90 ramex

Ward Churchill was a scumbag too. And guess what? He was found to be not being the most ethical person in history. Chomsky is a loon.

Do not put words in my mouth.

95 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:21:30pm

I can’t help but think of Wonder Woman every time I hear “ISIS”.

96 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 12:22:25pm
97 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 12:23:32pm

So rape is “espionage” now?

98 Varek Raith  Jan 8, 2015 12:23:43pm

I wish news sites would stop designing their sites with only tablets in mind.

99 PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2015 12:23:53pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

And Isis to me is Lord Grantham’s sweet yellow Lab.

100 Sionainn  Jan 8, 2015 12:23:53pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

I can’t help but think of Wonder Woman every time I hear “ISIS”.

That’s the name of my daughter’s best friend.

101 Jack Burton  Jan 8, 2015 12:24:01pm

re: #90 ramex

How is this any different than the professor who sent all those right wingers into fits for saying something about chickens coming home to roost after 9/11? Is it different because Ron Paul is talking about France and not the USA? Where will the right wing outrage be this time? Chirp, chirp, chirp…

Short answer is they are both kooks, both wrong, both using tragedies to push an agenda when convenient, and neither have political opinions worth giving a tinker’s damn about.

102 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:25:05pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Oh, FFS. Yeah, because what Assange was involved in is totally the same thing.

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103 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 12:25:09pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

I wish news sites would stop designing their sites with only tablets in mind.

I hate that.

104 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 12:25:26pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

I can’t help but think of Wonder Woman every time I hear “ISIS”.

Isis

105 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 12:26:11pm
106 Varek Raith  Jan 8, 2015 12:26:19pm

re: #104 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Isis

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Or this.
community.eveonline.com

XD

107 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 12:28:21pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Western leaders, aka oater emirs
108 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 12:28:25pm

re: #104 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Isis

tvrage.com

109 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 12:29:06pm

re: #104 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That’s what I think of.

110 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 12:29:17pm

Ya’ll are wrong…..

this is Isis. I grew up watching this!!

The Secrets of Isis Opening

111 Richterscale  Jan 8, 2015 12:29:24pm

re: #16 b_sharp

Of course. It also doesn’t mean they’re telling the truth.

112 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:29:36pm

re: #104 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Isis

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You’d think that such misogynistic assholes wouldn’t pick initial that remind most Westerners of either a female comic book/cartoon character or an Egyptian goddess. #JihadiFAIL

113 Franklin  Jan 8, 2015 12:29:53pm

re: #105 Kragar

114 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 12:30:47pm

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

And here’s a full episode for your delectation.

The Secrets of Isis - #13

115 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 12:31:52pm

re: #113 Franklin

“California, here I come…”

116 Varek Raith  Jan 8, 2015 12:32:20pm
117 PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2015 12:33:02pm

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

I remember that too. Hmm. I feel old.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 12:33:43pm

re: #113 Franklin

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 12:35:24pm

Linton Zoo lions play with old Christmas trees

Lions at a Cambridgeshire zoo are being given old trees to play with as a post-Christmas treat.

Real Christmas trees are “like catnip” to lions, Linton Zoological Gardens’ director Kim Simmons said.

The trees are used as toys by the big cats while others are used in the zoo’s bio-burner to provide additional heating for the buildings.

Pictures at the link.

120 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 12:35:59pm

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

And here’s a full episode for your delectation.

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Nice. Thanks Doc. I’ll watch that when I get home.

121 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 12:38:22pm

re: #120 No Country For Old Haters

Nice. Thanks Doc. I’ll watch that when I get home.

There’s quite a few episodes on YouTube from what I can see.

Oh, and this little 70s gem…..Ark II.

Ark II - Episode 1 - The Flies (1976)

Groovy!

122 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:38:37pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Linton Zoo lions play with old Christmas trees

Pictures at the link.

LOL, he has the same my cats get when they have their catnip, “It’s MINE. If you try to take it, I promise I’ll make you bleed.”

123 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:41:34pm

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

There’s quite a few episodes on YouTube from what I can see.

Oh, and this little 70s gem…..Ark II.

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Groovy!

Hey, do you remember Hadji from Jonny Quest?

Hadji Video File

124 D_Red  Jan 8, 2015 12:41:58pm

Anjem Choudary, AFAIK, is more or less an anti-Western troll who exists to go on shows like Hannity and be the crazy muslim of their fantasies.

125 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 12:42:14pm

re: #113 Franklin

Just got back from the gym, shredded on my new guitar, rebuilt the fuel pump on my four-wheeler, wrote a novel, ran over a hippy, got my neighbor’s cat out of a tree, rescued a family from a burning building, created a working cold fusion reactor in my garage…

Run for the Senate in California? Little old me?

126 PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2015 12:42:40pm

re: #123 CuriousLurker

Yes. I remember Johnny Quest. Boy do I feel old.

127 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:43:13pm

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

Yes. I remember Johnny Quest. Boy do I feel old.

Me too. Ugh.

128 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 12:43:28pm

re: #124 D_Red

Anjem Choudary, AFAIK, is more or less an anti-Western troll who exists to go on shows like Hannity and be the crazy muslim of their fantasies.

Exactly.

129 BeachDem  Jan 8, 2015 12:43:45pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hilarious account—my favorite:

130 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 12:43:50pm

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

Yes. I remember Johnny Quest. Boy do I feel old.

‘Pinch’ ‘Pinch’

Yup, you feel old.

131 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 12:48:18pm

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

Yes. I remember Johnny Quest. Boy do I feel old.

I remember Johnny Jupiter on the DuMont Television Network. I don’t feel old, I just look like hell.

132 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 12:52:10pm

Texas sure has voted for their share of idiots but than God that this idiot failed miserably at the polls, every time.

Texas humorist and singer Kinky Friedman appeared on ESPN’s “Outside The Lines” Wednesday to comment on the friendship between New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

But in a flip remark Friedman said the pair’s bonding was much more than friendly. Speaking to host Bob Ley, he called the two “the most important, latent homosexual relationship since Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson.”

huffingtonpost.com

133 Mattand  Jan 8, 2015 12:53:00pm

re: #132 b.d.

Texas sure has voted for their share of idiots but than God that this idiot failed miserably at the polls, every time.

huffingtonpost.com

I always thought Kinky was supposed to be one of the sane ones.

134 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 12:54:31pm

re: #133 Mattand

huffingtonpost.com

I always thought Kinky was supposed to be one of the sane ones.

He’s a libertarian dudebro

135 Mattand  Jan 8, 2015 12:54:33pm

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

Yes. I remember Johnny Quest. Boy do I feel old.

If you liked Johnny Quest, you must absolute watch The Venture Bros. on Cartoon Network/Adult Swim. One of the funniest shows out there.

136 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 8, 2015 12:55:37pm

re: #72 b.d.

Wasn’t it just a few months ago where Chuck said he was laughing at the people wthat said that he was interested in running for office?

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That was a million years ago before Ebola which CCJ solved!!!!!

137 PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2015 12:56:02pm

re: #135 Mattand

That sounds good. Is that on cable?

138 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 12:56:35pm

re: #132 b.d.

Kinky Friedman is an old style provocateur. He’s also a musician. On one tour he and his outfit were billed as Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys.

139 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 12:57:16pm

re: #123 CuriousLurker

Hey, do you remember Hadji from Jonny Quest?

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Of course. I have the original Jonny Quest episodes on DVD. One of the great American animated series of all time.

140 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 12:58:38pm

re: #135 Mattand

If you liked Johnny Quest, you must absolute watch The Venture Bros. on Cartoon Network/Adult Swim. One of the funniest shows out there.

Venture Bros. is brilliant. The ultimate parody of Jonny Quest.

141 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 12:59:44pm

House is voting to change the definition of “full-time employee” from 30 to 40 hours a week.

WTF?

142 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 12:59:50pm
143 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 8, 2015 1:00:40pm

re: #142 Kragar

You’re extremely generous

144 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2015 1:01:13pm
145 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 1:01:42pm

re: #143 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

You’re extremely generous

Wasn’t me, I was offering him the bread I had brought for my soup.

146 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 1:01:50pm

WTFF??

Father charged as girl, five, thrown off US bridge

A Florida man has been charged with murder after police say he threw his five-year-old daughter off a bridge in St Petersburg.

A police officer saw the incident after he followed John Jonchuck Jr, 25, for speeding, Chief Anthony Holloway said.

The girl, who was dropped into 60ft (18m) of water, was found about an hour later and pronounced dead at hospital. […]

A report by the sheriff’s office released on Thursday revealed that Mr Jonchuck’s lawyer had met him the day before to discuss the custody of the five-year-old.

He had been acting strangely, she said, calling her God and asking her to translate a Bible in Swedish.

Twelve hours later, his daughter was dead. […]

147 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2015 1:02:14pm

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

Second only to The Herculoids!

148 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 1:04:17pm

I’m only going to say this one God damn time:

Thundarr the Barbarian was the greatest cartoon ever created.

149 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2015 1:04:28pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

Ugh.

150 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 1:05:35pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

I generally think the Death Penalty should be reduced, and only used for the most truly vicious and evil of crimes, like mass murder, or exceptional evil.

I think this guy might fit the ticket.

151 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:06:03pm

I’m so confused. I need to get back to my regular C-SPAN watching routine.

It looks as tho the Republicans have defeated the effort to change the work-hour week. I have to learn more.

152 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 1:06:10pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

I’m waiting for Christians everywhere to deplore this barbarous act.

153 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:06:40pm

re: #150 The War TARDIS

I generally think the Death Penalty should be reduced, and only used for the most truly vicious and evil of crimes, like mass murder, or exceptional evil.

I think this guy might fit the ticket.

We need a Federal Standard on when the Death Penalty can be used. It is truly unjust that a crime in one state can result in the death penalty, but not in another.

154 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:08:09pm

no, no, no, the vote was on a motion to recommit with instructions.

{never mind}

think Rosanne Rosanna Danna

155 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 1:08:17pm

re: #148 Kragar

I’m only going to say this one God damn time:

Thundarr the Barbarian was the greatest cartoon ever created.

Thundarr the Barbarian was awesome, and quite unique for Saturday morning kiddie fare, being a post-apocalyptic sci-fi/fantasy dystopia.

156 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 1:08:32pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

I like that.

I am trying to find words for what this guy did, but I got nothing. I feel terrible for the little girl, and her mom.

I suspect that he might have a, shall I say, mental defect? So, he wouldn’t be eligible for the Death Penalty.

And yes, I have a mental defect.

157 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 1:08:38pm

re: #150 The War TARDIS

I generally think the Death Penalty should be reduced, and only used for the most truly vicious and evil of crimes, like mass murder, or exceptional evil.

I think this guy might fit the ticket.

This is a horrible crime, I agree.

It kind of sounds like he was having some serious mental issues, though. I’m hoping there will be some psychological testing done here.

158 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 1:08:54pm

re: #141 FemNaziBitch

House is voting to change the definition of “full-time employee” from 30 to 40 hours a week.

WTF?

It’s to undermine an ACA provision that requires employers to provide health insurance to anyone working 30 hours or more. They want to require that the health insurance requirement applies to those working 40 hours or more.

Yeah, it’s swell. It’s the GOP doing all it can to screw people who can’t be bothered to read past headlines (which is most of the electorate). TL;DR is a fatal disease (to good government).

159 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 1:10:18pm

re: #150 The War TARDIS

I generally think the Death Penalty should be reduced, and only used for the most truly vicious and evil of crimes, like mass murder, or exceptional evil.

I think this guy might fit the ticket.

What klys said—it sounds like he has mental health issues.

160 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:10:30pm

NOw, they are voting on H. R. 30 that would change the work-hour week for the Affordable Care Act from 30 to 40.

161 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:11:42pm

re: #156 The War TARDIS

I like that.

I am trying to find words for what this guy did, but I got nothing. I feel terrible for the little girl, and her mom.

I suspect that he might have a, shall I say, mental defect? So, he wouldn’t be eligible for the Death Penalty.

And yes, I have a mental defect.

We all have mental defects, what matters is whether or not a Judge will adjudicate your condition as such.

162 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 1:11:53pm

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

Thundarr the Barbarian was awesome, and quite unique for Saturday morning kiddie fare, being a post-apocalyptic sci-fi/fantasy dystopia.

Evil Wizard: “What sort of man are you?”
Thundarr: “Free!”

163 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 8, 2015 1:12:12pm

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

They’re trying to change the definition of marriage the work week?

164 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:12:37pm

Yes, House GOP is passing it.

HOw stupid, they are truly trying to create a serf class.

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 8, 2015 1:12:47pm

re: #141 FemNaziBitch

House is voting to change the definition of “full-time employee” from 30 to 40 hours a week.

WTF?

Yep, now Walmart can make people work 39 hours a week without having to give them any benefits.
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166 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:13:12pm

re: #163 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They’re trying to change the definition of marriage the work week?

Sorry, I forgot to add a link.

167 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:14:08pm

It’s pretty much split on party lines.

168 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 1:14:10pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

Well, considering I can’t serve in the military, I would say yes.

I am going out on a limb here, but I do think there should be a law that if you are found to have a mental issue that would bar you from the military, you shouldn’t have a gun.

It would bar me from having a gun. But that is okay.

169 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 1:14:20pm

re: #152 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m waiting for Christians everywhere to deplore this barbarous act.

I was sorta thinking the same thing. If his name had been Ahmad or Mustafa and he’d talked about “Allah” instead of “God”, the media would be all over it and the right-wingers & hate bloggers would be in a feeding frenzy.

170 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 1:15:14pm

re: #162 Kragar

Evil Wizard: “What sort of man are you?”
Thundarr: “Free!”

There were some pretty cool shows in the 70s for kids, actually. And some pretty trippy ones, too…..like pretty much anything by Sid and Marty Krofft.

171 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:15:30pm

re: #168 The War TARDIS

Well, considering I can’t serve in the military, I would say yes.

I am going out on a limb here, but I do think there should be a law that if you are found to have a mental issue that would bar you from the military, you shouldn’t have a gun.

It would bar me from having a gun. But that is okay.

hmmm, serving in the military isn’t enough for me.

I think military psychiatrists have evaluate a person for a different sent of circumstances than what “normal” civilian life would present.

172 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 1:15:37pm
173 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 1:17:24pm
174 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 1:17:43pm

re: #171 FemNaziBitch

It would form a reasonable starting point. Then we work from there.

175 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:17:59pm

It’s really stupid for employers to want a longer work-hour week for benefits purposes.

Employees that get benefits are most likely to show-up on time, follow the rules and get their work done satisfactorily.

They need the benefits,often as much as the paycheck,

176 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 1:18:10pm

re: #170 Dr Lizardo

Such as this……

H.R. PUFNSTUF INTRODUCTION

I’m thinking LSD might have been involved.

And who can forget Dr. Shrinker?

Doctor Shrinker - Krofft Supershow

177 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 1:19:06pm

Heh.

178 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:19:19pm

HR 30 passed the House.

Time to contact your Senate Critters.

179 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 1:19:30pm

re: #168 The War TARDIS

Well, considering I can’t serve in the military, I would say yes.

I am going out on a limb here, but I do think there should be a law that if you are found to have a mental issue that would bar you from the military, you shouldn’t have a gun.

It would bar me from having a gun. But that is okay.

The legal definition (WRT to culpability) is not the same as the medical or other definitions of mental defect. Ted Bundy was batshit crazy in most people’s eye’s, but not in the law’s eyes. He was a stone cold psychopath, but he knew damned well that what he was doing was wrong.

180 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:19:52pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Heh.

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Please don’t insult the 4 legged beastie!

181 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 1:20:04pm

re: #148 Kragar

I’m only going to say this one God damn time:

Thundarr the Barbarian was the greatest cartoon ever created.

A most bizarre show indeed
182 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 1:20:10pm

re: #148 Kragar

I’m only going to say this one God damn time:

Thundarr the Barbarian was the greatest cartoon ever created.

CCJ is a close second.

My bad, you said cartoon not clown.

183 allegro  Jan 8, 2015 1:20:29pm

re: #148 Kragar

I’m only going to say this one God damn time:

Thundarr the Barbarian was the greatest cartoon ever created.

Ralph Bakshi’s Mighty Mouse. Never really intended for kids though, I think.

184 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:20:53pm
185 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:21:32pm
186 CuriousLurker  Jan 8, 2015 1:22:21pm

Uh-oh, looks like one of our clients with a WP site got hacked. Gotta run.

Later, lizards.

187 Justanotherhuman  Jan 8, 2015 1:23:22pm

Russia, settling on being one of the most repressive societies on the planet.

bbc.com

“Russia has listed transsexual and transgender people among those who will no longer qualify for driving licences.

“Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as “mental disorders” now barring people from driving.

“The government says it is tightening medical controls for drivers because Russia has too many road accidents.

“Pathological” gambling and compulsive stealing are also on the list. Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move.” More

188 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 1:24:14pm
189 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:24:29pm

re: #187 Justanotherhuman

Russia, settling on being one of the most repressive societies on the planet.

bbc.com

“Russia has listed transsexual and transgender people among those who will no longer qualify for driving licences.

“Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as “mental disorders” now barring people from driving.

“The government says it is tightening medical controls for drivers because Russia has too many road accidents.

“Pathological” gambling and compulsive stealing are also on the list. Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move.” More

Furries can’t drive in Russia?

190 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 1:26:10pm

I’ve never really gotten over my disappointment at how lousy the Fantastic Four cartoon series was.

Fantastic Four (1978) INTRO

191 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 1:26:25pm

re: #181 De Kolta Chair

Thundarr the Barbarian TV cartoon intro (1980)

Yup. And his sidekick was a cheap Chewie knockoff too (as was the sun sword), but I digress.

I was always partial to G Force (Battle of the Planets), which was based on Gatchaman.
Battle of the Planets intro (high DVD quality)

192 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 1:26:34pm

re: #156 The War TARDIS

I like that.

I am trying to find words for what this guy did, but I got nothing. I feel terrible for the little girl, and her mom.

I suspect that he might have a, shall I say, mental defect? So, he wouldn’t be eligible for the Death Penalty.

And yes, I have a mental defect.

My friend, you have to get past your vengeance addiction.

193 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 1:27:38pm

Of course, I was also watching this in the 1970s.

Space Battleship Yamato - Opening Theme [1080p HD]

194 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 1:27:48pm

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

There’s quite a few episodes on YouTube from what I can see.

Oh, and this little 70s gem…..Ark II.

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Groovy!

Loved that show as a 10-year-old.

195 Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2015 1:28:28pm

re: #26 lawhawk

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This is a rather sad and disturbing case. The Connecticut Supreme Court upheld a prior ruling Thursday that a 17-year-old cancer patient cannot refuse chemotherapy treatment for Hodgkin lymphoma.

This young woman had refused chemo, but state protective services had gotten temporary custody to make sure that she received treatments. She had two other treatments before running away, and a missing persons report was filed.

Her mother has stood by her daughter. The daughter then sued to stop the treatments, claiming that she didn’t want to poison her body.

If she were 18, this wouldn’t be an issue since as an adult she’d be able to make the decision to stop her treatment or not do anything. But as a minor, she doesn’t have that right.

By refusing care, she was pretty much giving herself no chance at long term survival. With treatment, she should be able to go into remission.

What’s disgusting about this ruling is that for medical purposes, she is a minor and unable to make the decision herself. On the other hand, if she was being charged with capitol murder, well she is old enough to be charged as an adult and face adult penalties up to and including death. It’s time for this double standard to go. If a minor is old enough to be charged as an adult under the criminal code then they should be allowed to make adult decisions in civil matters.

196 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 1:28:51pm

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

Of course, I was also watching this in the 1970s.

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Renamed Star Blazers when I watched the dubs,

197 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 1:28:55pm

re: #192 b_sharp

I know.

198 goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2015 1:31:37pm

re: #148 Kragar

I’m only going to say this one God damn time:

Thundarr the Barbarian was the greatest cartoon ever created.

Pretty sure Adventure Time with Finn and Jake is a remake of that.

199 lawhawk  Jan 8, 2015 1:31:45pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

I think a good case would be made for the opposite; if they are being treated as a minor for civil matter, then they must be treated as a minor for criminal matters. And if there’s a capital crime committed, then there’d have to be a special disposition requiring the prosecutor to show that the person should be charged as an adult.

200 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 1:32:08pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Pretty sure Adventure Time with Finn and Jake is a remake of that.

Pretty close.

202 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 1:33:00pm

And for you fans of anime, here’s the original opening of Mach Go Go Go - better known to the West as Speed Racer:

Youtube Video

203 Justanotherhuman  Jan 8, 2015 1:33:17pm

re: #178 FemNaziBitch

HR 30 passed the House.

Time to contact your Senate Critters.

It won’t do any good to contact Thom Tillis and Richard Burr. A lot of people in NC aren’t going to get any help at all with medical expenses, leaving most low paid workers with no coverage whatsoever, even when their kids are covered under Medicaid or other programs. They pretty much consider adults who aren’t on SS or SS disability “able bodied”.

204 goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2015 1:34:27pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Anyway, they’re definitely set in the same Universe.

205 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 1:34:39pm
206 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:35:36pm

re: #205 Kragar

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*spit*

207 Justanotherhuman  Jan 8, 2015 1:37:08pm

re: #205 Kragar

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Shannon Bream reflects the total dishonesty and bias of FN.

208 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 1:37:53pm

re: #205 Kragar

Josh Marshall @joshtpm

Fox Host: How Do We Spot ‘Bad Guys’ If We Don’t Know ‘Tone Of Their Skin’?

By their black hats?

209 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:38:02pm

This is reality

210 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 1:39:16pm

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

Yes. I remember Johnny Quest. Boy do I feel old.

Clutch Cargo. Remember that?

211 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 1:39:33pm

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

And for you fans of anime, here’s the original opening of Mach Go Go Go - better known to the West as Speed Racer:

Ireallylovedthatshowitwasoneofmyveryfavoritesyesitwas!

212 Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2015 1:44:21pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

What’s disgusting about this ruling is that for medical purposes, she is a minor and unable to make the decision herself. On the other hand, if she was being charged with capitol murder, well she is old enough to be charged as an adult and face adult penalties up to and including death. It’s time for this double standard to go. If a minor is old enough to be charged as an adult under the criminal code then they should be allowed to make adult decisions in civil matters.

She wouldn’t be eligible for the death penalty (Roper v. Simmons).

213 Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2015 1:47:15pm

re: #211 De Kolta Chair

Ireallylovedthatshowitwasoneofmyveryfavoritesyesitwas!

Same here. I grew up watching quite a bit of anime in my childhood, and I’ve been a fan ever since.

Also, kaiju films and shows like Ultraman. I’d say I’ve been enjoying Japanese pop culture since I was about five or so, LOL.

214 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 1:47:37pm

re: #199 lawhawk

I think a good case would be made for the opposite; if they are being treated as a minor for civil matter, then they must be treated as a minor for criminal matters. And if there’s a capital crime committed, then there’d have to be a special disposition requiring the prosecutor to show that the person should be charged as an adult.

This case stinks. The mother sides with the daughter in her decision not to put poison into her body? Who is leading who here? Did the mother teach her that?
Yes, chemo is toxic, but without it she will probably die.

My nephew had the same Non Hodgkins Lymphoma in his early 20s. Thankfully, after treatment he has been in full remission for over 15 years.
It was tough on him and the family, but I cant imagine any of us not fighting for him to do the treatment.

215 leftynyc  Jan 8, 2015 1:48:01pm

re: #165 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep, now Walmart can make people work 39 hours a week without having to give them any benefits.
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I suspect we’re looking at a Presidential veto.

216 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 1:50:00pm

re: #214 blueraven

This case stinks. The mother sides with the daughter in her decision not to put poison into her body? Who is leading who here? Did the mother teach her that?
Yes, chemo is toxic, but without it she will probably die.

My nephew had the same Non Hodgkins Lymphoma in his early 20s. Thankfully, after treatment he has been in full remission for over 15 years.
It was tough on him and the family, but I cant imagine any of us not fighting for him to do the treatment.

I’d leave the State.

NO one should force chemo on a person.

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 8, 2015 1:58:02pm

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

Of course, I was also watching this in the 1970s.

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A couple of guys are podcast reviewing Star Blazers episodes in order. Fans, but pretty much ripping on it a lot.

twotruefreaks.com

218 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 1:58:44pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I’d leave the State.

NO one should force chemo on a person.

So she should just die instead?

219 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 8, 2015 2:03:53pm

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

And here’s a full episode for your delectation.

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This show is quite a bit better than I expected. Better than some recent fantasy TV shows.

220 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 2:06:07pm

re: #218 blueraven

So she should just die instead?

HER CHOICE!

221 Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2015 2:11:23pm

re: #199 lawhawk

I think a good case would be made for the opposite; if they are being treated as a minor for civil matter, then they must be treated as a minor for criminal matters. And if there’s a capital crime committed, then there’d have to be a special disposition requiring the prosecutor to show that the person should be charged as an adult.

I could live with that. But the double standard of for this X you are an adult but for this X you are a minor is bullshit and needs to go.

222 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 2:12:18pm

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

HER CHOICE!

Not at 17, and not for a totally curable disease.

Something does not add up here. 17 year old girls do not usually choose to die. Their mother usually would not agree with that either.

223 FemNaziBitch  Jan 8, 2015 2:15:32pm

re: #222 blueraven

Not at 17, and not for a totally curable disease.

Something does not add up here. 17 year old girls do not usually choose to die. Their mother usually would not agree with that either.

We will have to agree to disagree.

224 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 2:16:49pm

re: #222 blueraven

Not at 17, and not for a totally curable disease.

Something does not add up here. 17 year old girls do not usually choose to die. Their mother usually would not agree with that either.

If she was 18, it wouldn’t matter a fig what you or anyone else thought. We do grant adults the right to make their own medical decisions, even if it results in their death.

225 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 2:21:58pm

re: #224 klystron

If she was 18, it wouldn’t matter a fig what you or anyone else thought. We do grant adults the right to make their own medical decisions, even if it results in their death.

But she is not 18. In fact she is just barely not 16.

The mother said this

“This is not about death,” Fortin says. “My daughter is not going to die. This is about, ‘This is my body, my choice, and let me decide.’ “

Bullshit. She almost surely will die without the treatment.
I think the mom is influencing her thinking too much.

226 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 2:24:59pm

re: #225 blueraven

But she is not 18. In fact she is just barely not 16.

The mother said this

“This is not about death,” Fortin says. “My daughter is not going to die. This is about, ‘This is my body, my choice, and let me decide.’ “

Bullshit. She almost surely will die without the treatment.
I think the mom is influencing her thinking too much.

Does she have the right to make the decision to have an abortion, or does the state get to get involved in that medical decision too?

If completing the pregnancy was going to kill her, and there was no chance the baby would survive, does the state have the right to force a minor to have an abortion to save her life?

227 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 2:30:22pm

re: #226 klystron

Does she have the right to make the decision to have an abortion, or does the state get to get involved in that medical decision too?

If completing the pregnancy was going to kill her, and there was no chance the baby would survive, does the state have the right to force a minor to have an abortion to save her life?

I am not going to engage in the hypothetical.

Dealing with a highly curable disease here and a suspicion that the mother has unduly influenced her daughter.

By saying flat out that her daughter will not die, she sounds like some kind of fundamentalist or other nutcase.

228 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 2:38:12pm

re: #227 blueraven

I am not going to engage in the hypothetical.

Dealing with a highly curable disease here and a suspicion that the mother has unduly influenced her daughter.

By saying flat out that her daughter will not die, she sounds like some kind of fundamentalist or other nutcase.

You know, when I say I am pro-choice, it doesn’t just apply to pregnancy. It means that I believe, strongly, that people have the right to make their own decisions about their bodies. You clearly disagree.

I would note that all the statements you made (“highly curable disease” can clearly correspond to “will die unless the pregnancy is terminated, which is doable” and “unduly influenced her daughter” would absolutely be applicable to someone growing up in a family where abortion is considered murder) would apply to my nasty hypothetical. I even allowed for there to be no chance of the fetus’s survival. It’s pretty clear-cut, and there are substantially fewer side effects to an abortion than there are to chemotherapy.

I’m just curious at what point you draw the line on forcing medical care on minors who in other arenas we do treat as old enough to make their own choices with their bodies.

229 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 2:45:47pm

re: #228 klystron

You know, when I say I am pro-choice, it doesn’t just apply to pregnancy. It means that I believe, strongly, that people have the right to make their own decisions about their bodies. You clearly disagree.

I would note that all the statements you made (“highly curable disease” can clearly correspond to “will die unless the pregnancy is terminated, which is doable” and “unduly influenced her daughter” would absolutely be applicable to someone growing up in a family where abortion is considered murder) would apply to my nasty hypothetical. I even allowed for there to be no chance of the fetus’s survival. It’s pretty clear-cut, and there are substantially fewer side effects to an abortion than there are to chemotherapy.

I’m just curious at what point you draw the line on forcing medical care on minors who in other arenas we do treat as old enough to make their own choices with their bodies.

Whoa…don’t put words in my mouth.

We can disagree without being nasty about it.

230 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 2:53:02pm

re: #229 blueraven

Whoa…don’t put words in my mouth.

We can disagree without being nasty about it.

You’re the one calling the mother a fundamentalist or nutcase based on statements in one article.

I hope to hell my mother would respect and stand by my decision of what to do with my body and not let the courts say that because I am 8 months from being a legal adult who could refuse treatment without any challenges, I should be forced into it.

231 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 3:05:33pm

re: #230 klystron

You’re the one calling the mother a fundamentalist or nutcase based on statements in one article.

I hope to hell my mother would respect and stand by my decision of what to do with my body and not let the courts say that because I am 8 months from being a legal adult who could refuse treatment without any challenges, I should be forced into it.

I am glad my mother didn’t stand by all my decisions when I was 17. Many of them were not well thought out.

232 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 3:13:49pm

re: #231 blueraven

I am glad my mother didn’t stand by all my decisions when I was 17. Many of them were not well thought out.

I will just point out that your argument is the same one used to say that minors shouldn’t be allowed to get abortions without notifying their parents and getting their permission.

233 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 3:18:10pm

re: #232 klystron

I will just point out that your argument is the same one used to say that minors shouldn’t be allowed to get abortions without notifying their parents and getting their permission.

No, it is not.
Pregnancy/Abotion is not the same as curable disease vs almost certain death.

She also can’t get married without consent, can’t vote, can’t legally buy cigarettes or alcohol.

234 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 3:30:30pm

re: #233 blueraven

No, it is not.
Pregnancy/Abotion is not the same as curable disease vs almost certain death.

She also can’t get married without consent, can’t vote, can’t legally buy cigarettes or alcohol.

Access to abortion is a medical care issue. Abortion is a medical procedure with fewer side effects than chemotherapy. I will note that pregnancy could result in death, with a clear treatment that would save a life in those situations.

I hope it goes into remission and she isn’t in the minority where even with chemo, she passes away.

235 blueraven  Jan 8, 2015 3:32:35pm

re: #234 klystron

I hope it goes into remission and she isn’t in the minority where even with chemo, she passes away.

On that, we can agree.

236 jonhendry  Jan 8, 2015 5:27:14pm

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

Ya’ll are wrong…..

this is Isis. I grew up watching this!!

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So hot.

237 jonhendry  Jan 8, 2015 5:38:34pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

What’s disgusting about this ruling is that for medical purposes, she is a minor and unable to make the decision herself. On the other hand, if she was being charged with capitol murder, well she is old enough to be charged as an adult and face adult penalties up to and including death. It’s time for this double standard to go. If a minor is old enough to be charged as an adult under the criminal code then they should be allowed to make adult decisions in civil matters.

I dunno, medical decisions are a lot more complex than “don’t kill”.

238 jonhendry  Jan 8, 2015 5:41:26pm

re: #214 blueraven

This case stinks. The mother sides with the daughter in her decision not to put poison into her body? Who is leading who here? Did the mother teach her that?
Yes, chemo is toxic, but without it she will probably die.

NPR quoted the mother as saying “she won’t die”.

I really don’t think the child has been raised in an environment that prepared her to make the decision.

239 jonhendry  Jan 8, 2015 5:44:02pm

re: #230 klystron

You’re the one calling the mother a fundamentalist or nutcase based on statements in one article..

Saying her daughter won’t die of cancer is a nutcase thing to say.


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