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1 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 8, 2015 5:20:36pm

This is frustrating. The EU has pretty good gun control. And the police have broad powers. For these to be known guys, and still got the weapons and ammunition…. Damn.

2 Dr. Matt  Jan 8, 2015 5:24:00pm
3 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 5:26:26pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

This is frustrating. The EU has pretty good gun control. And the police have broad powers. For these to be known guys, and still got the weapons and ammunition…. Damn.

RWC, in terms of those AKs this is like the North Hollywood Shootout: They were smuggled into the country thus the law was broken the second they entered the country. But in both cases they still got in.

Note: This is not an argument for repealing laws against banning the import of full-auto assault rifles (either here or in France). What I am saying is that there was no loophole in the law in this case, the needed law was in place but it was violated.

4 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 5:26:58pm
5 ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2015 5:27:47pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

This is frustrating. The EU has pretty good gun control. And the police have broad powers. For these to be known guys, and still got the weapons and ammunition…. Damn.

Hopefully where they got the guns is going to come out so we can all know how it happened.

Of course, gun lovers will be all over it, as right now it all fits the ‘only criminals will have guns’ theme.

6 Belafon  Jan 8, 2015 5:29:15pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

This is frustrating. The EU has pretty good gun control. And the police have broad powers. For these to be known guys, and still got the weapons and ammunition…. Damn.

No law like this is going to be perfect as long as someone is making guns, but there are still way fewer deaths there than happen here, and ours don’t make the news because they happen so often.

7 Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2015 5:30:00pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

This is frustrating. The EU has pretty good gun control. And the police have broad powers. For these to be known guys, and still got the weapons and ammunition…. Damn.

This is why these guys need to be taken alive. Someone provided those weapons and the French authorities need to know who they are and how they managed to bring them into the country.

8 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 5:31:57pm

Meanwhile the French natives explain the controversial CH cover with Boko Haram victims:

quora.com

Stephen Reed
According to a French person I know:
“This cover is a double snipe in classical Charlie style, both against Boko Haram and our right wing, NOT against the sex slaves or “welfare queens”. To misunderstand that shows complete ignorance of French press and the left wing / anarchist tradition of Charlie.”

-

Jean-Baptiste Froment, toulousain
This cover is mixing two unrelated elements which made the news at about the same time:
- Boko Haram victims likely to end up sex slaves in Nigeria
- Decrease of French welfare allocations

In France, as in probably every country who has welfare allocations, some people criticize this system because some people might try to game it (e.g., “welfare queens” idea). Note that if we didn’t had it there would probably be much more people complaining because the ones who really need it would end up in extreme poverty.

Charlie Hebdo is known for being left-wing attached and very controversial, and I think they wanted to parody people who criticize “welfare queens” by taking this point-of-view to the absurd, to show that immigrant women in France are more likely to be victims of patriarchy than evil manipulative profiteers.

And of course if we only stay on the first-degree approach, it’s a terrible racist and absurd cover.

-

Adrien Lucas Ecoffet, French citizen
I can only confirm what Jean-Baptiste Froment and Stephen Reed’s answers have been saying: it’s easy now for non-French observers to imagine Charlie Hebdo as a right wing, racist, anti immigrant publication because of the fact that they have only seen covers about fundamentalist Islam.

The reality is, Charlie Hebdo is a far left, pro-immigrant publication, of which many contributors have been members of anti-racist organizations.

As the other answers have mentioned, this cover is simply the combination of two news stories to make a provocative joke. This is a very common occurrence in Charlie Hebdo front pages.

Government reshuffle: Can we show these images?
The characters are the French prime minister (with a knife), and one minister whose job got… cut, in that specific reshuffle.

As I mentioned in my answer to Attack on French Magazine Charlie Hebdo (January 2015): What should everyone know about Charlie Hebdo?, Charlie Hebdo came from a banned publication called Hara-Kiri. The front page that got Hara-Kiri banned was itself an example of news story combination:

Tragic ball in Colombey - 1 dead
This refers to president de Gaulle’s death in the city of Colombey, as well as the then-recent tragic incident during a ball in another French city in which 146 people died.

Overall I don’t think you should make much of this front page. Clearly people are cherry-picking Charlie Hebdo covers in an attempt to prove that it is a racist, anti-Islam publication, perhaps in some form of victim-blaming, when this assertion is absolutely preposterous to anyone who actually knows the newspaper.

Incidentally, this particular issue was preceded and followed by anti-Le Pen front pages, Le Pen being the front figure of the French anti-immigration far right.

Needless to say, if you’ve seen a typical CH cover, this is hardly the most shocking thing they have published.

Anyway, this was on the heels of some moonbats lying about CH being racist for publishing a cartoon that actually mocked the French right’s racism.

Moreover a piece by some idiot Jacob Canfield has been going around (not linking to that trash). It has some brilliant “logic”:

Even in a fresh-off-the-press, glowing BBC profile of Charb, Hebdo’s murdered editor, he comes across as a racist asshole.

Charb had strongly defended Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons featuring the Prophet Muhammad.

“Muhammad isn’t sacred to me,” he told the Associated Press in 2012, after the magazine’s offices had been fire-bombed.

“I don’t blame Muslims for not laughing at our drawings. I live under French law. I don’t live under Koranic law.”

Uh, wut? I don’t even

9 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 5:33:18pm

re: #7 Bubblehead II

This is why these guys need to be taken alive. Someone provided those weapons and the French authorities need to know who they are and how the managed to bring them into the country.

That may not be possible. Taking two well-armed, well-trained men alive is normally possible only if they make a mistake or if they decide to surrender. With jihadi like these, the latter is highly unlikely.

10 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 5:38:16pm

Bonnie Raitt is also singing on this track although she’s not in this video. Jackson Browne doing Warren Zevon’s “Poor Poor Pitiful Me.”

Jackson Browne - Poor Poor Pitiful Me - Tribute to Warren Zevon (Enjoy Every Sandwich)

11 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 5:38:34pm

So this Stupid is going around the usual Twitters:

DUH! Auto plants close down for 2 weeks EVERY YEAR the week of Christmas and New Years.

Also: the Wayne plant (which was in operation yesterday when POTUS visited) is closest to the airport. A visit to the Ford Rouge plant would have totally fucked up thousands of commuters, including myself.

12 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 5:41:37pm

Don’t look now, but between complaining about CH’s cartoons, Max Blumenthal retweets this.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 5:43:14pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

“Peckerwood Gang” in Fresno? Is that the name of UpChuck’s new media empire?
He did tweet that he and “his staff” are all armed…

14 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2015 5:45:26pm

re: #5 ObserverArt

Hopefully where they got the guns is going to come out so we can all know how it happened.

Of course, gun lovers will be all over it, as right now it all fits the ‘only criminals will have guns’ theme.

Right, because look how much lower our crime rate is than France’s!

Wait….

15 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 5:47:47pm

So it turns out that the French police woman who was murdered this morning had only been on the job for 15 days and was unarmed. Her name was Clarissa Jean-Philippe, and this is her picture:

Image: 24840E5700000578-2901670-Pictured_French_media_identified_this_woman_as_Clarissa_Jean_Phi-a-6_1420743867764.jpg

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 5:49:41pm
17 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 5:50:17pm

re: #12 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Don’t look now, but between complaining about CH’s cartoons, Max Blumenthal retweets this.

Many of the replies to that vile cartoon are as bad as Blumenthal’s. The meme of the “EBBIL JOOOS!!1” is alive and well on Twitter tonight.

18 Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2015 5:50:35pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

So it turns out that the French police woman who was murdered this morning had only been on the job for 15 days and was unarmed. Her name was Clarissa Jean-Philippe, and this is her picture:

Image: 24840E5700000578-2901670-Pictured_French_media_identified_this_woman_as_Clarissa_Jean_Phi-a-6_1420743867764.jpg

What the frak is a “M5 assault rifle”? The bullet on the pavement looks like a 7.62x39mm.

19 Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2015 5:51:27pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

That may not be possible. Taking two well-armed, well-trained men alive is normally possible only if they make a mistake or if they decide to surrender. With jihadi like these, the latter is highly unlikely.

Agreed. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if they end up dead in the end. But there is one thing about this attack that stands out. This WAS NOT a martyrdom operation. If it was, well they would already be dead. So what is the end game? Since they planned on living though the attack and escaping, where were they going? Who is/was providing them support? Questions like these are why they need to be taken alive if at all possible.

20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 5:51:50pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Many of the replies to that vile cartoon are as bad as Blumenthal’s. The meme of the “EBBIL JOOOS!!1” is alive and well on Twitter tonight.

Blumenthal constantly retweets mondoweiss, a site known for publishing its share of antisemitic cartoons. Those don’t bother him.

21 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 5:53:44pm

Looks like Chuck is getting into the sock business pretty heavily now, this is the guy who busted him on the photo and put up the audio of their phone call:

I also think that the fake Chuck account is also one of his socks for use in his quest to get the blue Twitter check.

22 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 5:54:04pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

What the frak is a “M5 assault rifle”? The bullet on the pavement looks like a 7.62x39mm.

They probably mean an MP5, though that is a sunmachinegun and not an assault rifle. HK has made weapons that shoot 7.62X39mm on the same operating principals as the MP5, for what little that detail is worth.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 5:57:22pm

re: #21 b.d.

Looks like Chuck is getting into the sock business pretty heavily now, this is the guy who busted him on the photo and put up the audio of their phone call:

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I also think that the fake Chuck account is also one of his socks for use in his quest to get the blue Twitter check.

The fake Chuck account is the one that has the libel suit countdown clock: chuckcjohnson.info

24 danarchy  Jan 8, 2015 5:58:37pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

They probably mean an MP5, though that is a sunmachinegun and not an assault rifle. HK has made weapons that shoot 7.62X39mm on the same operating principals as the MP5, for what little that detail is worth.

or the M5 Carbine, there are versions that take 7.62 as well.

25 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 6:00:44pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

What the frak is a “M5 assault rifle”? The bullet on the pavement looks like a 7.62x39mm.

And you’re right about the cartridge: It’s a 7.62x39mm steel-cased round.

Image: 24826FAC00000578-2901670-image-m-90_1420723286492.jpg

Standard issue AKs chambered for that caliber and produced in billions. Such rounds are still in production in Russia and Ukraine, and in a few other nations as well.

BTW, The DM mislabeled it: A unfired round of ammo is called a round of ammo or a cartridge. The bullet is just the projectile.

26 Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2015 6:02:04pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

And you’re right about the cartridge: It’s a 7.62x39mm steel-cased round.

Image: 24826FAC00000578-2901670-image-m-90_1420723286492.jpg

Standard issue AKs chambered for that caliber and produced in billions. Such rounds are still in production in Russia and Ukraine, and in a few other nations as well.

BTW, The DM mislabeled it: A unfired round of ammo is called a round of ammo or a cartridge. The bullet is just the projectile.

Yeah, I’ve plinked a bunch of the Wolf manufactured ones.

27 goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2015 6:02:42pm

re: #24 danarchy

or the M5 Carbine, there are versions that take 7.62 as well.

M4 Carbine. No such thing as an M5 that I’m aware of.

28 danarchy  Jan 8, 2015 6:03:27pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

M4 Carbine. No such thing as an M5 that I’m aware of.

smallarmsreview.com

It’s a variation.

29 b.d.  Jan 8, 2015 6:03:35pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

The fake Chuck account is the one that has the libel suit countdown clock: chuckcjohnson.info

Hahahaha, I apologize to the real Chuck C Johnson for accusing him of him setting that up as one of his socks.

ALTHOUGH, Chuck playing the good Chuck/bad Chuck thing with socks would be pretty funny but Chuck isn’t smart enough to do that and obviously doesn’t have the natural sense of humor to pull it off.

30 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 6:03:41pm

re: #24 danarchy

or the M5 Carbine, there are versions that take 7.62 as well.

Are you talking about Colt’s piston carbine? That’s the only M-5 I’ve found so far.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:03:41pm

Observer Art, heads up, apparently it’s not over yet:

And I see in the extended NWS forecast there is freezing rain/wintry mix for Sunday/Monday.

Blech.

32 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 6:05:40pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Observer Art, heads up, apparently it’s not over yet:

[Embedded content]

And I see in the extended NWS forecast there is freezing rain/wintry mix for Sunday/Monday.

Blech.

It warmed up a bit in Chicago;and, but we’ve also gotten hit by a pretty nasty snowstorm.

33 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 6:07:26pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Bonnie Raitt is also singing on this track although she’s not in this video. Jackson Browne doing Warren Zevon’s “Poor Poor Pitiful Me.”

[Embedded content]

Video

Bummer Bonnie isn’t shown.

Thanks for posting, haven’t heard this one in quite a time.

Love the Werewolves of London live when Zevon invokes JB.

34 goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2015 6:08:59pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Are you talking about Colt’s piston carbine? That’s the only M-5 I’ve found so far.

Pretty sure that was just a prototype and never put into actual production.

Edited: Somewhat different from the LE1020 prototype, still never put into production.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:09:41pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

It warmed up a bit in Chicago;and, but we’ve also gotten hit by a pretty nasty snowstorm.

Right now I’m basking in 19F outside and 56F indoors, a major improvement over what it was like 12+ hours ago.
BTW, to those who missed the announcement, the pipes at the Backwoods homestead didn’t freeze (have had that happen several times in the last 20 years, at least twice with pipes bursting; staying up all night was well worth the pain of staying up all night to prevent it from happening again).

36 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 6:11:22pm

And once again, I love the pencil.

37 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 8, 2015 6:12:03pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

What the frak is a “M5 assault rifle”? The bullet on the pavement looks like a 7.62x39mm.

There are several things being called that. Most common are M-16/M-4 derivatives and MP-5 derivatives. Could well be someone out there calling an AK derivative an M-5 to sell to the clueless as well.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:12:09pm

Happy 73rd birthday to Stephen Hawking:

39 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 6:12:11pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Pretty sure that was just a prototype, renamed the LE1020 and never put into actual production.

You’re right, though I didn’t think it was the gun that cop-killing terrorist actually used. I’m sure the DM just goofed up.

40 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 6:12:20pm

re: #36 #FergusonFireside

And once again, I love the pencil.

But have you stopped worrying? ;)

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:13:13pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

You’re right, though I didn’t think it was the gun that cop-killing terrorist actually used. I’m sure the DM just goofed up.

Won’t be the first or last time DM goofs.

42 Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2015 6:14:02pm

Hmm…I have to buy this book for a class (at least that’s the given ISBN on the the university’s bookstore’s website):
amazon.com

As you can see it’s $270.75, but Amazon also has volumes 1 and 2 separately for a combined price of $109.23 new:
amazon.com
amazon.com

43 electrotek  Jan 8, 2015 6:16:03pm

I really hope those two Salafist scumbags are taken alive and have to answer to the Muslim community they purport to be defending.

44 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 6:18:05pm

re: #43 electrotek

How come your karma is -429?

45 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 8, 2015 6:19:05pm

OT: It is a pernicious bad habit to be a bachelor without a dishwasher to let the dishes go till they’re all dirty and you have to wash them. Especially when you get to the bottom of the pile…

Ewww….

Back to the topic at hand.

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:19:19pm

re: #42 Timothy Watson

Hmm…I have to buy this book for a class (at least that’s the given ISBN on the the university’s bookstore’s website):
amazon.com

As you can see it’s $270.75, but Amazon also has volumes 1 and 2 separately for a combined price of $109.23 new:
amazon.com
amazon.com

I see that if you have Amazon Prime, there’s an option to buy it used for $18.25.

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:19:33pm

re: #44 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

How come your karma is -429?

heh…

48 ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2015 6:21:53pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Observer Art, heads up, apparently it’s not over yet:

[Embedded content]

And I see in the extended NWS forecast there is freezing rain/wintry mix for Sunday/Monday.

Blech.

Yeah. I heard about that all coming a little while ago. I then looked at the long range forecast and they dropped the temps lower until later next week. I was so looking forward to 30°+ this weekend.

(Shakes fist at the sky…fist freezes)

49 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 6:22:15pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

Because of the Karma crash of 2010.

50 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 6:22:49pm

Here’s a nasty story I don’t want to let slip past us:

Russia says drivers must not have ‘sex disorders’

Russia has listed transsexual and transgender people among those who will no longer qualify for driving licences.

Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as “mental disorders” now barring people from driving.

The government says it is tightening medical controls for drivers because Russia has too many road accidents.

“Pathological” gambling and compulsive stealing are also on the list. Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move.

The announcement follows international complaints about Russian harassment of gay-rights activists.

In 2013 Russia made “promoting non-traditional lifestyles” illegal.

Note the vague terms used, enabling the government to take away the driver’s license of anyone who displeases it.

51 Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2015 6:23:02pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see that if you have Amazon Prime, there’s an option to buy it used for $18.25.

That too but I need to find out if I need any of those stupid publisher provided supplemental access codes and the synopsis for the class hasn’t been posted yet. :/

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:23:22pm

re: #48 ObserverArt

Yeah. I heard about that all coming a little while ago. I then looked at the long range forecast and they dropped the temps lower until later next week. I was so looking forward to 30°+ this weekend.

(Shakes fist at the sky…fist freezes)

Don’t smite anything with that frozen fist…it will shatter.
(don’t ask me how I know that…)

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:24:19pm

re: #51 Timothy Watson

That too but I need to find out if I need any of those stupid publisher provided supplemental access codes and the synopsis for the class hasn’t been posted yet. :

well, that sucks. what a racket.

54 electrotek  Jan 8, 2015 6:24:35pm

re: #44 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

How come your karma is -429?

I’ve said some stupid shit on here in the past mostly out of anger and knee-jerk frustration which I regret.

55 goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2015 6:25:11pm

re: #44 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

How come your karma is -429?

This thread mostly.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:25:44pm

good freakin grief…

57 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 6:28:01pm

Chicken noodle soup is simmering sans noodles.

Husband is home sick.

Oh, and he needs to be in the UK end of January. I’d sort of like to go. Scotland and all. But there’s the harp retreat and also he is kind of grumpy about everything.

You ever have those days where you need a sign that says “stay this
|——————————| far away from the human”?

Yeah.

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:30:16pm

re: #57 klystron

Chicken noodle soup is simmering sans noodles.

Husband is home sick.

Oh, and he needs to be in the UK end of January. I’d sort of like to go. Scotland and all. But there’s the harp retreat and also he is kind of grumpy about everything.

You ever have those days where you need a sign that says “stay this
|——————————| far away from the human”?

Yeah.

homemade egg noodles are really easy to make and so much better than using dried store-bought stuff.
allrecipes.com

59 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 6:34:20pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

homemade egg noodles are really easy to make and so much better than using dried store-bought stuff.
allrecipes.com

I have done those and they are tasty.

But I’m also using stock out of a box for this iteration. I’ll save them for when I do the homemade stock.

60 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 6:36:24pm

re: #57 klystron

Chicken noodle soup is simmering sans noodles.

Husband is home sick.

Oh, and he needs to be in the UK end of January. I’d sort of like to go. Scotland and all. But there’s the harp retreat and also he is kind of grumpy about everything.

You ever have those days where you need a sign that says “stay this
|——————————| far away from the human”?

Yeah.

I make chicken soup about every 4 weeks, strain the broth and freeze it in 1/2 gallon containers. Then I reheat it and add noodles, or matzo balls, or sliced vegetables like carrots or zucchini.

61 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 8, 2015 6:38:47pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

re: #5 ObserverArt

My #1 was not intended as an observation on a gun control fail as in to undermine the idea. Not at all. To be more clear, it’s frustrating to see a successful armed raid like this from known bad guys where the law is more strict than what we have here. Where counter terror efforts and the police and intelligence services are funded and respected. It might be easier to pull this off here. That’s a little worrisome, as I’m not a guy looking to see police powers expanded. And serious bad guys are going to get military arms as thats a global market. We see them associated with gangs and cartels.

The list of possible/probable targets here is ridiculously long. But I work in one as do some of us in big cities. Or on military bases. Looking forward to seeing these guys caught and put away, hopefully one or more will be talked into cooperating/informing.

62 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 6:39:03pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

I make chicken soup about every 4 weeks, strain the broth and freeze it in 1/2 gallon containers. Then I reheat it and add noodles, or matzo balls, or sliced vegetables like carrots or zucchini.

I thought about doing stock from scratch today - I have the recipe from America’s Test Kitchen to try - but I’ve done major cooking already multiple times this week and I was tired. And grumpy. And it wasn’t going to make too much difference to him right now.

I want to do it for the future and freeze like that.

63 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 6:41:00pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

France’s intelligence services just fouled up.

You would think after 9/11 and 7/7, that France would have learned from 2 of their closest allies having intelligence problems resulting in horrific Terror Attacks.

I’m guessing nations only learn lessons when it actually happens to them.

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:41:30pm

re: #62 klystron

I thought about doing stock from scratch today - I have the recipe from America’s Test Kitchen to try - but I’ve done major cooking already multiple times this week and I was tired. And grumpy. And it wasn’t going to make too much difference to him right now.

I want to do it for the future and freeze like that.

Never, ever, cook when you’re grumpy.
Unless you have lots of wine (or, in your case, gin) on hand.

:D

65 Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2015 6:46:42pm

Night Lizards. See you in the morning.

66 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 6:47:23pm

If you missed this earlier, here it is.

A video of extreme prejudice and injustice at the hands of the Law.

(note, Tamir is dying on the ground without anyone assisting)

67 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 6:47:24pm

re: #63 The War TARDIS

France’s intelligence services just fouled up.

You would think after 9/11 and 7/7, that France would have learned from 2 of their closest allies having intelligence problems resulting in horrific Terror Attacks.

I’m guessing nations only learn lessons when it actually happens to them.

A small-time dirtbag falling through the cracks can happen in any nation, PLL. Yes, France needs to find out what they missed, but that effort needs to focus more on who trained these two brothers in terror to be as effective as they are.

The photos we’ve seen make clear these two weren’t just nutjobs popping off, they moved and shot with deadly efficiency. Somebody turned them from pot-smoking wannabe rappers into a disciplined pair of killers. It is imperative that somebody or group of somebodies be found and neutralized.

68 ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2015 6:48:27pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

homemade egg noodles are really easy to make and so much better than using dried store-bought stuff.
allrecipes.com

Homemade noodles. Brings back memories of my mother making them.

Rolling them out to about 1/16” or so thick and maybe 14” round. She’d then have them dry out a bit on our dining room table for a few hours. Next would be to roll the flat noodle dough up into tubes, then cut the tubes to about 1/4” wide strips and then lay the strips down flat and chop them into halves which made the resultant noodle strips.

Like all things homemade, a good simple noodle beats those in a bag all too hell. And they really make a good noodle soup. They don’t get all mushy.

69 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 6:48:47pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Never, ever, cook when you’re grumpy.
Unless you have lots of wine (or, in your case, gin) on hand.

:D

It appears to have come out well.

Enough cloves of garlic and even store bought stock can be tasty.

70 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 6:48:51pm
71 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 6:49:36pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Never, ever, cook when you’re grumpy.
Unless you have lots of wine (or, in your case, gin) on hand.

:D

Yeah, the whole thing about cooking is to do it with love. Love is the main ingredient.

Philosophical SS here.

72 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 6:50:10pm

re: #71 #FergusonFireside

Yeah, the whole thing about cooking is to do it with love. Love is the main ingredient.

Philosophical SS here.

I do love him.

…the vodka helped.

73 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2015 6:51:58pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Fresno County? ChuckyPoo is on the case! (assuming it’s not a friend of his)

74 Jenner7  Jan 8, 2015 6:52:11pm

Video

If you haven’t heard of Sia, look her up on Youtube. She is amazing. This video is causing faux outrage. Apparently it’s inappropriate for a male adult to dance with a girl. ::shrug:: I like it. Enjoy.

75 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 6:55:06pm

re: #62 klystron

I thought about doing stock from scratch today - I have the recipe from America’s Test Kitchen to try - but I’ve done major cooking already multiple times this week and I was tired. And grumpy. And it wasn’t going to make too much difference to him right now.

I want to do it for the future and freeze like that.

I prep the soup (chicken, seasonings, vegetables) the night before, then I go to work, Zedushka fills the pot, brings the water to a boil and skims, skims, skims the boiling scum that collects at the top.

Pro-tip: put the chicken pieces and the vegetables into cheesecloth bags, makes it much easier to strain the broth.

You can eat the chicken but for years my kids utterly refused to eat “used chicken” no matter how many different recipies I tried.

76 ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2015 6:55:17pm

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator

My #1 was not intended as an observation on a gun control fail as in to undermine the idea. Not at all. To be more clear, it’s frustrating to see a successful armed raid like this from known bad guys where the law is more strict than what we have here. Where counter terror efforts and the police and intelligence services are funded and respected. It might be easier to pull this off here. That’s a little worrisome, as I’m not a guy looking to see police powers expanded. And serious bad guys are going to get military arms as thats a global market. We see them associated with gangs and cartels.

The list of possible/probable targets here is ridiculously long. But I work in one as do some of us in big cities. Or on military bases. Looking forward to seeing these guys caught and put away, hopefully one or more will be talked into cooperating/informing.

My comment was made more to what you mentioned in your #1 and how it would be seen and used to further the resolve against gun control in this country.

I agree with you.

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 6:56:15pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

jeez…”used chicken” is the best kind!

78 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 7:00:55pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

I prep the soup (chicken, seasonings, vegetables) the night before, then I go to work, Zedushka fills the pot, brings the water to a boil and skims, skims, skims the boiling scum that collects at the top.

Pro-tip: put the chicken pieces and the vegetables into cheesecloth bags, makes it much easier to strain the broth.

You can eat the chicken but for years my kids utterly refused to eat “used chicken” no matter how many different recipies I tried.

I will keep that in mind for the next time I try. This was a spur of the moment thing, since he was feeling sick enough to stay home from the office and I do actually try to pamper him when that happens.

79 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2015 7:03:05pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

And roast the bones in the oven before tossing in the pot with the water/veggies/herbs. :)

80 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 7:03:22pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Well, there aren’t that many suspects.

Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had 1 of the murdered on a sick wanted list.

Whoever was training the clowns responsible for the 9/11 Attack in Benghazi possibly too (I remember stories at the time talking how the attackers were well trained), and DAESH.

81 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 7:06:04pm

re: #80 The War TARDIS

Well, there aren’t that many suspects.

Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had 1 of the murdered on a sick wanted list.

Whoever was training the clowns responsible for the 9/11 Attack in Benghazi possibly too (I remember stories at the time talking how the attackers were well trained), and DAESH.

Benghazi was Ansar al-Sharia, and there’s no evidence of them being active outside of Libya.

BBIAB

82 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2015 7:06:09pm

re: #80 The War TARDIS

From what I’ve read, at least seven other people have been arrested so far in connection with this, so the French authorities do have the bigger picture in mind.

83 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 7:09:28pm

Wow. This #tcot timeline shows how desperately we need #FreeCommunityCollege==>

84 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 7:14:26pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Wow. This #tcot timeline shows how desperately we need #FreeCommunityCollege==>

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85 calochortus  Jan 8, 2015 7:15:37pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Wow. This #tcot timeline shows how desperately we need #FreeCommunityCollege==>

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Nothing says progress like making it hard to get a decent education.

86 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2015 7:17:29pm

Gawker is usually full of silly shit but I found this take on Charlie Hebdo:

I too am a free-speech advocate, and am therefore in favor of people spewing absolutely the most heinous bullshit, if they must. It’s a relief, however, to see people realizing that lot of the stuff that Charlie Hebdo published was really gross and racist. The massacre took place against the backdrop of an ugly strain of xenophobia in France, and the rise of Marine Le Pen, who represents a faction substantially worse in its virulent racism even than our most rabid right-wing partisans. It will be terrible if this massacre results in any kind of traction for Le Pen’s National Front (founded by her dad, the truly repulsive bigot, anti-Semite and Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen, and I still can’t believe a real political party can even be called that). Such a result would be diametrically against the avowed leftist politics (such as they were) of Charlie Hebdo.

Marine Le Pen’s party is a party of hate. And Charlie Hebdo—however legitimate its position about free speech, however much the staff may have styled themselves freewheeling leftists—trafficked in hateful images and ideas that often tracked uncomfortably closely with the ultragarbage peddled by the fascistoid National Front.

I want the Charlies Hebdo of the world to say every revolting thing they want to say. But here is the exercise of my own free speech: Those guys were gross. Fanning the flames of xenophobia at a time of increased violence against Muslims and their places of worship is stupid. Not because it endangered the writers of Charlie Hebdo!—it was their look-out, if they thought these things needed saying—but because it endangered innocent Frenchmen working abroad and made it harder to fight the very grave problem of xenophobia at home. Because a bunch of idiots would be like, très très drôle, it’s so funny to hate Mohammed (mdr)! Surely journalists should at least try to take some responsibility for how bigoted, ignorant people are going to “take the joke.”

87 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:23:00pm

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Except they were anti-Le Pen. Gawker strikes again. Sigh.

88 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 7:25:54pm

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

One of the comments is fantastic:

But Charlie Hebdo is a hero of circumstance, not substance, and we are better off treating these murderers with quiet disdain than using this moment as an opportunity for hypocritical grandstanding.

89 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 7:26:17pm

re: #87 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Except they were anti-Le Pen. Gawker strikes again. Sigh.

It is so very blurred though. People are not smart enough to see through, unfortunately.

90 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 7:28:23pm

re: #88 klystron

One of the comments is fantastic:

I don’t agree: Charlie Hebdo printed the Danish Mohammad cartoons when few papers would and refused to allow itself to be intimated into obeying jihadist edits about what pictures it could run. That is real heroic substance in this day and age.

91 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 7:29:35pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: Charlie Hebdo printed the Danish Mohammad cartoons when few papers would and refused to allow itself to be intimated into obeying jihadist edits about what pictures it could run. That is real heroic substance in this day and age.

Did you see the one of God being fucked by Jesus, who was being fucked by the holy spirit?

92 bratwurst  Jan 8, 2015 7:30:05pm

re: #89 #FergusonFireside

It is so very blurred though. People are not smart enough to see through, unfortunately.

This. I can guarantee you that PLENTY of Le Pen fans LOVED some of those covers. It is also a fact that some people who actually hate Jews loved the Borat movie.

93 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:30:37pm

re: #92 bratwurst

This. I can guarantee you that PLENTY of Le Pen fans LOVED some of those covers.

So what.

94 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 7:31:43pm

re: #91 #FergusonFireside

Did you see the one of God being fucked by Jesus, who was being fucked by the holy spirit?

No, but it doesn’t surprise me.

95 bratwurst  Jan 8, 2015 7:31:50pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: Charlie Hebdo printed the Danish Mohammad cartoons when few papers would and refused to allow itself to be intimated into obeying jihadist edits about what pictures it could run. That is real heroic substance in this day and age.

My yardstick for heroism goes well beyond a willingness to insult people.

96 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 7:32:52pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: Charlie Hebdo printed the Danish Mohammad cartoons when few papers would and refused to allow itself to be intimated into obeying jihadist edits about what pictures it could run. That is real heroic substance in this day and age.

Ok, you think that.

I’ll reserve my declaration of “heroic” for the folks risking their lives to tell the story of what’s happening in Syria, or the bloggers going against Putin in Russia.

97 bratwurst  Jan 8, 2015 7:33:08pm

re: #93 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

So what.

So the fact that their editorial policy was “anti-Le Pen” doesn’t mean that everyone in France understood that.

98 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:33:12pm

The two most “outrageous” examples of cartoons the mindless moonbats have proffered to show that CH was “racist” and thus to shit on the murdered cartoonists’ graves turned out to be duds. I’m afraid they don’t deserve the benefit of doubt.

99 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:33:59pm

re: #97 bratwurst

So the fact that their editorial policy was “anti-Le Pen” doesn’t mean that everyone in France understood that.

Which is neither here, nor there.

100 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 8, 2015 7:36:21pm

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Hey Gawker? That sound? That was the sonic boom made by the point of Charley going over your head.

101 bratwurst  Jan 8, 2015 7:37:01pm

re: #99 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Which is neither here, nor there.

Here is my point: I don’t think the fact their editorial policy was opposed to Le Pen et al invalidates the point that the Gawker article was making. You seem to disagree. Oh well.

102 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 8, 2015 7:37:25pm

re: #91 #FergusonFireside

Did you see the one of God being fucked by Jesus, who was being fucked by the holy spirit?

Rude, crude, socially unacceptable and absolutely hilarious to me.

103 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 7:37:37pm

re: #91 #FergusonFireside

Did you see the one of God being fucked by Jesus, who was being fucked by the holy spirit?

Moreover: It was not any of the anti-Christian cartoons CH ran that attracted the ire of the terrorists: They were attacked over cartoons about Islam. Their cartoons about Christianity aren’t really relevant because it was not Christians who attacked the magazine.

104 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 7:37:38pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

No, but it doesn’t surprise me.

You need to see the whole picture, not just the standing up to the Muslims and ridiculing their religion (Yeah!) Other’s religion? What? They did?

Well, there!
105 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 7:38:32pm

re: #70 Kragar

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How many of these people know that 20% is 1 out of 5?

People are crappy with percentages.

106 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 7:38:49pm

re: #104 #FergusonFireside

You need to see the whole picture, not just the standing up to the Muslims and ridiculing their religion (Yeah!) Other’s religion? What? They did?

[Embedded content]

Juvenile and silly. it doesn’t even rile me.

107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:40:16pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Here is my point: I don’t think the fact their editorial policy was opposed to Le Pen et al doesn’t invalidate the point that the Gawker article was making in my view. You seem to disagree. Oh well.

Here’s New Yorker trafficking in hateful ideas and images. Still used by many a tea party loon. The loons are to blame though.

108 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:41:02pm

re: #104 #FergusonFireside

You need to see the whole picture, not just the standing up to the Muslims and ridiculing their religion (Yeah!) Other’s religion? What? They did?

Image: Well, there!

They did indeed. Equal opportunity offenders.

109 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:42:28pm

And yes, CH was about 100 times more extreme and 1000 times more crude.

110 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 7:42:50pm

re: #98 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The two most “outrageous” examples of cartoons the mindless moonbats have proffered to show that CH was “racist” and thus to shit on the murdered cartoonists’ graves turned out to be duds. I’m afraid they don’t deserve the benefit of doubt.

I haven’t seen much that moves their cartoons out into the realm of brilliant or thought-provoking or …really, anything that would inspire me to share it.

They had the right to draw them, and distribute them as they saw fit. They did not deserve to be killed for that. My right to criticize their art did not disappear with their death, should I choose to offer some.

I suspect most of the people commenting on this would have said the same before the cartoonists were killed. Which is more than could be said for some of the folks jumping on the “DEFEND FREE SPEECH” bandwagon because it happens to be a convenient way to demean Muslims now.

111 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:43:32pm

Pussy Riot’s “act” was worthless shit without artistic value. They still needed to be defended.

112 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 7:44:00pm

re: #108 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

They did indeed. Equal opportunity offenders.

That’s the point. D_F is defending them because of their Muslim offense, not even knowing they were equal opportunity.

That defense kinda reeks.

113 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 8, 2015 7:45:44pm

re: #111 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Pussy Riot’s “act” was worthless shit without artistic value. They still needed to be defended.

Personally as someone who grew up with the original punks, I won’t go that far as I’ve seen worse bands but even if they were that bad, you’d still be right about needing to defend them.

114 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:45:59pm

re: #110 klystron

My right to criticize their art did not disappear with their death, should I choose to offer some.

True, free speech. That said: it’s rarely when I agree with Douchehat, but in my opinion he is right this time.

douthat.blogs.nytimes.com

1) The right to blaspheme (and otherwise give offense) is essential to the liberal order.

2) There is no duty to blaspheme, a society’s liberty is not proportional to the quantity of blasphemy it produces, and under many circumstances the choice to give offense (religious and otherwise) can be reasonably criticized as pointlessly antagonizing, needlessly cruel, or simply stupid.

3) The legitimacy and wisdom of criticism directed at offensive speech is generally inversely proportional to the level of mortal danger that the blasphemer brings upon himself.

115 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:46:55pm

re: #113 William Barnett-Lewis

You need to remember that I posted PR clips here at LGF long before they went big. /hipster mode off
I actually like both their personalities and their political message. But not the “music”.

116 goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2015 7:47:20pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: Charlie Hebdo printed the Danish Mohammad cartoons when few papers would and refused to allow itself to be intimated into obeying jihadist edits about what pictures it could run. That is real heroic substance in this day and age.

It’s contrarianism masquerading as principle.

117 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 7:48:58pm

re: #112 #FergusonFireside

That’s the point. D_F is defending them because of their Muslim offense, not even knowing they were equal opportunity.

That defense kinda reeks.

I hadn’t seen that particular cartoon, but I’ve known they were equal opportunity since yesterday morning.

118 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:49:16pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

Not when there is actual danger.

119 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:54:51pm

I’m glad we can discuss controversial issues without blowing each other up, even virtually ;)

120 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 7:55:54pm

re: #119 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I’m glad we can discuss controversial issues without blowing each other up, even virtually ;)

I don’t blow people up because my air pump is broken.

121 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 7:57:59pm

re: #120 b_sharp

I don’t blow people up because my air pump is broken.

Here, take mine.

122 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 7:58:35pm

re: #114 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

True, free speech. That said: it’s rarely when I agree with Douchehat, but in my opinion he is right this time.

douthat.blogs.nytimes.com

I still haven’t recovered from the last mess of free-speech discussions here so I’m checking out of this conversation at this point.

I will defend their right to say what they said, but I still think it was not good art and I’d rather spend my energy supporting those actually trying to make a change on the ground.

123 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 7:59:38pm

re: #122 klystron

I still haven’t recovered from the last mess of free-speech discussions here so I’m checking out of this conversation at this point.

I will defend their right to say what they said, but I still think it was not good art and I’d rather spend my energy supporting those actually trying to make a change on the ground.

That I can agree with.

124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:01:50pm

re: #122 klystron

Most of it was not good art. Or at least not my cup of tea. [The rest already written, etc. etc.]

125 The War TARDIS  Jan 8, 2015 8:13:19pm

re: #122 klystron

Yeah, I have the same feeling.

Actually, as nasty as I found their picture shown in Post 104 to more disgusting that the one’s against Islam. Namely because, according to the theology of Christians, that is essentially incest.

I really do not like the general Anti-Religion stuff they pushed. But they do have the right to say it, and I have the right to not look at it, and to call them crude.

126 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 8:31:58pm

re: #125 The War TARDIS

Yeah, I have the same feeling.

Actually, as nasty as I found their picture shown in Post 104 to more disgusting that the one’s against Islam. Namely because, according to the theology of Christians, that is essentially incest.

I really do not like the general Anti-Religion stuff they pushed. But they do have the right to say it, and I have the right to not look at it, and to call them crude.

You should see this:

Colorado mayoral candidate arrested for threatening man with AR-15, impersonating an officer (VIDEO)

A woman running for mayor in Colorado Springs was arrested Monday afternoon after allegedly pointing an AR-15 at her boyfriend during a domestic dispute at a public park, but before she was released from jail, she was charged the next day for a separate incident in which she apparently used the same weapon while impersonating an officer.

According to a probable cause affidavit, 46-year-old mayoral candidate Justine Herring, had been involved in a domestic dispute with her 37-year-old boyfriend, Dion Thompson, last week. Herring called the police claiming that she had been kidnapped by her boyfriend and that Thompson was also responsible for stealing her car.

Three days later, Thompson was at a park with at least two male friends when Herring, armed with an AR-15, approached him. Herring was apparently aiming the gun at Thompson as well as other innocent bystanders at the park.

“Completely irrational. Completely irrational,” Michael Flora, who frequently skates at the park, told KOAA. “If she started shooting in a big crowd there could be stray bullets and possibly casualties. Thank god that didn’t happen.”

Fortunately, nobody was injured during the incident. Thompson was eventually able to take the gun from Herring and talk her into leaving with him.

Hopefully, this will torpedo her chances of being mayor, but its Colorado Springs so one cannot say for sure.

127 BeachDem  Jan 8, 2015 9:22:49pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Wonkette’s take was far more entertaining:

littlegreenfootballs.com

128 [deleted]  Jan 9, 2015 9:36:14am
129 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 9:40:59am

re: #128 Special Forces Grunt

Thank you for your service. Asshole.

130 [deleted]  Jan 9, 2015 10:31:06am
131 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 10:58:02am

re: #130 Special Forces Grunt

Take your “bacon-greased ammo” and fuck off. Asshole.

132 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 1:40:11pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Benghazi was Ansar al-Sharia, and there’s no evidence of them being active outside of Libya.

BBIAB

This is part of the 2012 PBS Frontline episode on AQ in Yemen that I’ve been encouraging folks to watch. If you go to 6 minutes in, you’ll hear the narrator describe the journalist, Gaith’s actions as he arrives in an AQ controlled Yemeni town: “Gaith’s contact was a fighter and political leader named Fouad. He is a member of Ansar al-Sharia, the local franchise of Al Qaeda.”

Al Qaeda in Yemen | Documentaries

Is that sufficient evidence ?


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