1 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 7:38:24pm

Baby it’s feckin’ cold outside

2 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 7:43:48pm
3 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 7:47:19pm

re: #2 klystron

Whatevs //

Paul McCartney - Drive My Car

4 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 7:48:51pm

I have a snow blower I can’t start.

5 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 7:58:50pm

Unlike most folks in the northeast like myself who are cocooning near a warm hearth and central heating, my old pal Teddy is taking advantage of this frigid weather to do some ice sailing on Long Island, NY, this weekend.

Teddy is 83 years young.

6 austin_blue  Jan 8, 2015 8:07:06pm

Surreal video. Zooey is just as cute as hell.

7 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:09:57pm

Just noticed in the column on the right:

Brown to Geller:

Do you remember the glowing Vanity Fair profile on Charles? I wrote that. You linked to it at the time. Came out right before NYT piece did. I thought he was an intellectually honest person because he changed his mind in public; turns out he’s the exact opposite. His cohorts openly discussed calling the FBI on me several months ago. Seriously. Kilgore Trout, his moderator, alleged that I am working with the Russian mafia. My family was fucked up by the FBI with no conviction when I was a kid and I take that shit seriously, which is why I ordered the site to be attacked yesterday as a way of forcing a response.

Ah, good old days.

Barrett Brown is scheduled to be sentenced on the 22th.

8 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:12:33pm

BTW, “ordered the site to be attacked” - that’s a crime confession right there.

9 #FergusonFireside  Jan 8, 2015 8:14:45pm

Nighty all!

10 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 8:18:00pm

re: #9 #FergusonFireside

Nighty all!

G’night.

11 Jack Burton  Jan 8, 2015 8:20:12pm

re: #7 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

A blast from the past… RS McCain is mentioned.

I haven’t heard a peep out of, or about, that clown in quite some time.

12 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:21:17pm

re: #11 Jack Burton

Hopefully it will stay that way. :)

13 Jenner7  Jan 8, 2015 8:22:41pm

re: #2 klystron

So depressing….

I blame the parents.

14 b_sharp  Jan 8, 2015 8:22:54pm

I’m going to bed.

Surely the world will be a much nicer place after a good sleep.

15 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 8:23:47pm

Watched Martin Scorsese’s The Last Waltz last night, and one of the highlights was Joni Mitchell’s “Coyote.” The Band, particularly Garth Hudson and Rick Danko, at their finest. But when were Rick and Garth ever less than fine?

Joni Mitchell - Coyote (The Last Waltz)

16 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:23:55pm

re: #14 b_sharp

I’m going to bed.

Surely the world will be a much nicer place after a good sleep.

2nd law of thermodynamics prevents that. /

17 austin_blue  Jan 8, 2015 8:24:09pm

From Wiki:

“On March 6, 2012, the FBI executed search warrants at Brown’s apartment and his mother’s house seeking evidence of supposed crimes. The items to be seized included “Records relating to HBGary, Infragard, Endgame Systems, Anonymous, LulzSec, IRC Chats, Twitter, wiki.echelon2.org, and pastebin.com”. Agents took possession of his laptop computers.”

Mom’s house. Heh. He was 31 years old.

18 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:25:51pm

re: #17 austin_blue

As the article notes, he had an own apartment. His mother agreed to hide some of his stuff though, which is why she had to take a plea bargain later.

19 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 8, 2015 8:26:27pm

THIS JUST IN!

GotNwes can confirm that the bombing GotNews (a parody site) reported as happening in Denver is officially a hoax. The incident occurred in Colorado Springs.

More at link.

20 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 8, 2015 8:27:44pm

re: #5 De Kolta Chair

Unlike most folks in the northeast like myself who are cocooning near a warm hearth and central heating, my old pal Teddy is taking advantage of this frigid weather to do some ice sailing on Long Island, NY, this weekend.

Teddy is 83 years young.

Where’s Teddy live? If he’s near Oyster Bay, it would be so fitting.

21 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:28:45pm

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

An idea for the gotnwes stamp: BIG LETTERS FOR WHICH THERE IS Not enough space suddenly

22 austin_blue  Jan 8, 2015 8:31:04pm

re: #18 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

As the article notes, he had an own apartment. His mother agreed to hide some of his stuff though, which is why she had to take a plea bargain later.

Yeah, but friends, girlfriend, a storage unit? He puts mom at risk? What a putz.

23 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:32:21pm

re: #22 austin_blue

Yeah, but friends, girlfriend, a storage unit? He puts mom at risk? What a putz.

You expect a heroin junkie to think straight? ;)

24 Dark_Falcon  Jan 8, 2015 8:33:37pm

re: #22 austin_blue

Yeah, but friends, girlfriend, a storage unit? He puts mom at risk? What a putz.

I’ve been waiting for you to be around to give you this. Consider it a late Christmas present.

25 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:33:52pm

re: #23 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

You expect a heroin junkie to think straight? ;)

Nina Hagen - Smack Jack

26 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 8, 2015 8:35:18pm

re: #21 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

An idea for the gotnwes stamp: BIG LETTERS FOR WHICH THERE IS Not enough space suddenly

I thought about that, but the dangling “com” is a snark on his watermark’s vertical one, as well as other, more juvenile connotations.

His original story about the bombing in Denver remains up, and the story referring (correctly) to C. Springs still references his Denver police sources.

Award Winning Journalism!!

27 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 8:35:49pm

re: #20 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Where’s Teddy live? If he’s near Oyster Bay, it would be so fitting.

Teddy lives across the street from me in lower Manhattan (we first met ages ago when we were neighbors in Chinatown at a party hosted by my downstairs neighbors Kim and Thurston of Sonic Youth, but that’s another silly story) and his boat is moored out on Long Island near Glenn Cove. His present boat is a lovely boat. His previous boat, which was a real beaut, was destroyed by Sandy.

I’ll post photos of the ice sailing as and if they come in.

28 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 8, 2015 8:40:58pm

By way of music after enjoying the video, I played Annie Lennox singing Summertime. What a voice. LWC is walking by hears a little and says “hey they should get her for the Bond theme”. Hmm I think so. YT the Spotify below

Video

Video

29 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:42:55pm

Yes, it has come to that.

30 Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2015 8:44:45pm

re: #15 De Kolta Chair

+1 for Last Waltz. I love that albm.

31 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:46:20pm

Bandits in Donbass not only use child soldiers, they also shoot glowing reports about them. One such report from Mirnoe TV (“Peaceful TV”[sic]).

Интервью Ñ Ð½ÐµÑовершеннолетним ополченцем, позывной “Малыш”

32 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 8, 2015 8:47:34pm

re: #27 De Kolta Chair

Teddy lives across the street from me in lower Manhattan (we first met ages ago when we were neighbors in Chinatown at a party hosted by my downstairs neighbors Kim and Thurston of Sonic Youth, but that’s another silly story) and his boat is moored out on Long Island near Glenn Cove. His present boat is a lovely boat. His previous boat, which was a real beaut, was destroyed by Sandy.

I’ll post photos as they come in.

Well, not too far from Oyster Bay. I grew up near Cold Spring Harbor.

Has Teddy visited his “old home” at Sagamore Hill?

33 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 8:49:06pm

Hey CleverToad, I don’t know if you’ll see this but from your comment here, I would suggest (if your son has the grades for it) investigating schools looking to boost themselves in the rankings of things like US News - they may be more willing to give scholarships for academic reasons than a lot of other places.

Pretty sure that’s why I got mine.

34 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 8:49:38pm

re: #30 Single-handed sailor

+1 for Last Waltz. I love that albm.

I love it too. I wish they’d recorded a whole album with the Staples. Pops Staples is way too forgotten as a gitbox picker and singer imho.

Youtube Video

35 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 8:49:52pm
36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 8:53:55pm

Aww, sweet.

37 Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2015 9:02:28pm

re: #8 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

BTW, “ordered the site to be attacked” - that’s a crime confession right there.

Yes, it is.

38 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 9:02:49pm
David “Honeyboy” Edwards, Clarksdale, Mississippi 1942
39 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 9:20:15pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Well, not too far from Oyster Bay. I grew up near Cold Spring Harbor.

Has Teddy visited his “old home” at Sagamore Hill?

I’ll ask him, if he survives his ice boating expedition. ;-)

40 dog philosopher  Jan 8, 2015 9:26:18pm

1945 movie bio of george gershwin utterly ignores his ten year affair with prominent composer kay swift and substitutes fake frustrated love affairs to explain why he never married

41 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 9:29:38pm

Judging by the trailer, HBO’s spin-off of Game of Thrones will either be incredibly great or resemble Bert I. Gordon’s schlockiest wet dream…

HAWK THE SLAYER * Trailer

42 darthstar  Jan 8, 2015 9:38:25pm

re: #15 De Kolta Chair

Watched Martin Scorsese’s The Last Waltz last night, and one of the highlights was Joni Mitchell’s “Coyote.” The Band, particularly Garth Hudson and Rick Danko, at their finest. But when were Rick and Garth ever less than fine?

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Put on Joni Mitchell while we took down the Xmas tree and made dinner tonight…the missus loves singing along with her, except when I join in for the high notes.

43 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 8, 2015 9:40:31pm

ICYMI, this snippet comes from UpChuck’s latest diatribe against Hillary Clinton and the world as we know it.

Attached are cartoons that ran in the State Dept magazine from May 2012 to May 2013. The May 2012 magazine also included an article on quelling stereotypes.

The recurring sentiment is clear State Dept employees dread being assigned to these Slavic “__stan” countries.

This is the same guy who thinks Denver and Colorado Springs are the same city, so no surprise here.

gotnwes.com

44 CleverToad  Jan 8, 2015 9:41:41pm

re: #33 klystron

Thanks for the info! He doesn’t have the grades at the moment — IQ of 145+ and the attention span of a gnat, and living up to the foolish part of ‘sophomore’ this year. We’ll have to see if he can pull up his socks for Jr & Sr year, or pull it off with a high SAT score.

Not looking forward to the find-a-college dance, as it looms ever closer. But we’re lucky, we have a kid with brains and we’re in a good school district. He’s had some great teachers for role models.

46 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 9:47:35pm

re: #44 CleverToad

I think mine was much more SAT score based than grade based, although I had both. It is not a slog I missed, but I was able to score a full ride almost out of the blue from a school looking to bring in folks above a certain SAT score, near as we could figure out (talking with other students who got the same scholarship).

Grades don’t hurt, though, and colleges will overlook bad years if they see improvement in junior/senior year.

47 CleverToad  Jan 8, 2015 9:48:11pm

re: #35 Kragar

Yeah, I have this one saved on my computer! Will blow it up & frame it if my kid really does wind up teaching science.

48 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 9:49:35pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

1945 movie bio of george gershwin utterly ignores his ten year affair with prominent composer kay swift and substitutes fake frustrated love affairs to explain why he never married

I hate hate hate that movie. Shades of Night And Day, the Cole Porter bio starring Cary Grant as a straight guy. Even worse, a very boring straight guy.

49 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 9:50:57pm

Is Chuck silent on his photo phuck up?

50 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 9:51:09pm

re: #46 klystron

My sisters also got scholarships, although not quite as good*, from solid schools (although not necessarily top-tier).

And then the Ivies have stupidly good financial aid packages if you fall under certain cutoffs, but they’re also stupidly hard to get into and I don’t think I wish that on anyone, especially not if the goal is to be a science teacher. :) That would be overkill.

* Sibling rivalry compels me to say this. But in the end, out of three kids, my parents paid room x 1, board x 2, and half tuition x 1. And an allowance, so that working was not required and we didn’t fuck up the grades from the scholarship point of view. The baby graduates college in May, so my experiences are somewhat recent.

51 darthstar  Jan 8, 2015 9:55:39pm
52 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 9:56:55pm
53 darthstar  Jan 8, 2015 9:57:24pm
54 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 9:58:04pm

re: #53 darthstar

He’s saving money in the postseason!

//

55 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 9:58:06pm

re: #49 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Is Chuck silent on his photo phuck up?

////

56 austin_blue  Jan 8, 2015 9:59:38pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I’ve been waiting for you to be around to give you this. Consider it a late Christmas present.

Hah! That’s sweet, especially since in many EWO (Emergency War Order) plans, B-52’s were flying polar routes to sling nuclear devastation against the godless commies.

57 teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2015 10:02:33pm

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

THIS JUST IN!

GotNwes can confirm that the bombing GotNews (a parody site) reported as happening in Denver is officially a hoax. The incident occurred in Colorado Springs.

More at link.

UpChuck’s not even embarrassed about it. He fucks up, he then claims he was just trolling libtards, rinse, repeat.

I really wish UpChuck would just fade into obscurity. He’s incredibly worthless to the betterment of the human species.

58 teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2015 10:02:50pm

re: #52 klystron

AWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!

59 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 10:03:47pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

AWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!

What you don’t get with the photo is the stereo purring. Full blown rumbles.

Also they are the softest balls of fluff ever.

60 CleverToad  Jan 8, 2015 10:08:54pm

re: #50 klystron

Sibling rivalry is a life-long thing, y’know — three sisters myself, and one hen-pecked brother. It’s fun to listen to my mom and my aunt bicker over stuff that happened 80 years ago.

I scored a four-year all-tuition-paid scholarship based solely on my SAT scores, and I was too #$^&%$# naive and too *^#^#*!# dumb to realize what that was worth. Never finished the bachelors and have regretted it for forty years. I’ve been telling the kid not to make my mistakes!

61 austin_blue  Jan 8, 2015 10:09:30pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

UpChuck’s not even embarrassed about it. He fucks up, he then claims he was just trolling libtards, rinse, repeat.

I really wish UpChuck would just fade into obscurity. He’ incredibly worthless to the betterment of the human species.

And the chances of that are…not ever going to happen.

He’s a pox, a spirochete, a blight upon us all. As long as idiots inhabit the interwebs, posted ebola like CCJ spews will continue to thrive.

62 teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2015 10:09:34pm

If y’all haven’t read wheatdogg’s latest post on his project GotNwes, read it. It’s a fuckin’ hoot!

63 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 10:11:00pm

re: #60 CleverToad

Sibling rivalry is a life-long thing, y’know — three sisters myself, and one hen-pecked brother. It’s fun to listen to my mom and my aunt bicker over stuff that happened 80 years ago.

I scored a four-year all-tuition-paid scholarship based solely on my SAT scores, and I was too #$^&%$# naive and too *^#^#*!# dumb to realize what that was worth. Never finished the bachelors and have regretted it for forty years. I’ve been telling the kid not to make my mistakes!

My middle sister arrives tomorrow for a week’s visit. I am thrilled.

She is the sibling who shares my love of cross stitch and photography, so there are several outings planned for one or the other.

64 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 8, 2015 10:11:02pm

re: #49 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Is Chuck silent on his photo phuck up?

Stories are still up, but TL is quiet. He’s found another shiny object.

65 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 10:13:26pm
If you’ve seen all the Gamera movies, you’ve wasted around 8 hours better spent on sharpening pencils. Just sayin’.
66 austin_blue  Jan 8, 2015 10:15:17pm

I’m off for the rack. Night all!

67 teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2015 10:15:19pm

re: #61 austin_blue

I suppose you’re right. People have been asking for Rush Limbaugh to go away for a couple of decades now. He’s at the ass end of a $400 million 8-year contract with Clear Channel, which began in 2008.

68 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 10:25:02pm

re: #65 De Kolta Chair

Say, have you ever played this?

69 Kragar  Jan 8, 2015 10:25:32pm

re: #65 De Kolta Chair

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70 teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2015 10:29:53pm

This morning my mother posted this to her Facebook.

I am angry today. I am not an articulate published pundit. I am not a politician. I am not an elected official. I am not a religious leader. I’m not even in the PTA. I am just an old lady who is angry and sad. “religion(insert any/all religions here) spoils everything.” Saying that will undoubtedly insult more than a few of my FB friends. Saying it on social media means that “potentially” more than my FB friends will read what I said and could be insulted. Should I be afraid that a person who takes the time to read this may be insulted, affronted, indignant, full of “righteous” anger? Will that person come to my house and kill me and my husband and my dog in the name of their god? Would I be complicit in my own murder because I don’t believe what that person believes and I don’t have the sense to shut up, keep it to myself, or worse I mocked/made joke? Today I am angry and sad.

71 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 10:34:02pm

re: #69 Kragar

72 Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2015 10:39:53pm
73 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 8, 2015 10:42:07pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

How well put and how sad. To me, religions and ideologies have one thing in common: they all look good on paper. I’m philosophically a Buddhist. I believe that if there is a god that being is incomprehensible to me.

74 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 10:44:00pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

Making good education a part of economic privilege is one of the biggest US problems, IMHO. More educated people => smarter electorate. Can’t have that.

75 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 10:49:06pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

Community College Radio: And now here’s the Yo La Tengo song your parents were grooving to in the back seat when they made you. Now go out and vote you lazy %$#@!

76 Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2015 10:56:03pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

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Even my dad, a man who habitually hates Democrats, could see the good in such a proposal. Granted, he asked the inevitable “Who’ll pay for it,” but when I quipped that it would be the same people who are paying for the F-35, he could see my point.

77 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 10:59:42pm

Yo La Tengo performing my fave Dob Bylan song.

Yo La Tengo - Fourth Time Around

Sweet dreams lgfers. Catch ya on the b-side.

78 goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2015 11:06:22pm

re: #64 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Stories are still up, but TL is quiet. He’s found another shiny object.

I think he’s going to let it go awhile and then quietly delete it when he thinks everyone’s forgot. Then he’ll insist it never happened.

And the thing is, most of his followers will go along with it, because go team rah rah you stupid libtards.

The only other option is to admit he’s so amazingly credulous & ignorant and/or dishonestly biased that he ignored the analysis of at least two named researchers that he did contact before choosing to go with the still anonymous source whose patently bullshit story fit the preformed narrative he was trying to construct.

I can’t really even imagine the kind of erratic thinking that would concoct let alone publish such an obvious lie, so while the above is my best guess there’s no telling how he plays it from here. If he has any brains left at all though he should be praying that @sean_p_walsh never gets around to responding to this tweet:

79 klystron  Jan 8, 2015 11:09:41pm

It appears we have a new hatchling.

That disagrees with the posting the article on the disgusting tweet from last night, among other things.

80 BeachDem  Jan 8, 2015 11:10:41pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

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I love that guy—forgot about him and haven’t read his tweets for awhile. Thanks.

81 teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2015 11:27:00pm

re: #73 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Truth be told, my mother and I and my youngest sister are on the complete opposite side of the religious spectrum in our entire family (except my oldest sister’s husband, who has never ever brought up religion or belief with almost everyone he knows, he buys and sells profitable businesses for a living…). My father’s been a Buddhist for years. My mom’s (only) sister is a practicing Catholic. I don’t want to go into various Midwest cousins and other folks I’ve met in my just-over-three decades.

The precepts of the Enlightenment. Adhere to them!

82 De Kolta Chair  Jan 8, 2015 11:28:51pm

I would be remiss in not mentioning these two current headlines and subledes at the NY Times:

Provocative Books Tap a Mood of Profound Anxiety
Even before the attack on Charlie Hebdo, an essay and a futuristic novel that imagines a Muslim becoming president of France in 2022 had set off intense debate.

Questions Linger After N.A.A.C.P. Bombing in Colorado
F.B.I. investigators are trying to find whoever set off a makeshift bomb outside an N.A.A.C.P. office in Colorado Springs, in what could be a bias attack or a case of domestic terrorism.

The angst, it hurts — but only mildly! ///

83 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 8, 2015 11:30:35pm

What a fucking scumbag.

While France is reeling from the terrorist massacre of 12 people at the Paris offices of a satirical magazine, the country is also “one of the worst … when it comes to rewarding terrorism,” lawyer and author Alan Dershowitz told “MidPoint” host Ed Berliner on Newsmax TV Wednesday.

“They play with everybody. They reward every terrorist,” Dershowitz said of the French.

“They’ve never been part of the international campaign against terrorism. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution.”
[…]
“Not tens, hundreds or thousands,” he said, “but millions will be supporting what happened today. It’s very, very big problem. The reason it has so many supporters is because it works. Terrorism works. It achieves the goals and results. Palestinians would not be getting a state today if it wasn’t for their terrorists.”

Uh, Alan. Don’t you have a child rapist to defend or a book to plagiarize instead of babbling on?

84 klystron  Jan 9, 2015 12:27:18am
85 Ace-o-aces  Jan 9, 2015 12:40:21am

re: #83 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Palestinians would not be getting a state today if it wasn’t for their terrorists.

Palestinians are getting a state? I must have missed that news.

86 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 12:45:31am

re: #85 Ace-o-aces

Palestinians are getting a state? I must have missed that news.

Alan saw it in a dream today, so it must be true.

87 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 12:48:19am
Towards end of the programme cartoonist Steve Bell was interviewed alongside ‘moderate’ Muslim Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Great Britain. Sacranie unequivocally condemned the attack on the Charlie Hebdo journalists. But he went on to suggest that there are limits to free speech. Sacranie drew an analogy popular with many Muslims between offending someone by insulting a dear member of their family and offending a Muslim by insulting their Prophet. Sacranie said he ‘would not dare’ to insult a member of your close family with the intention of hurting your feelings. He added that if he did, ‘I would perhaps get a punch on my nose’.

Stephen Law proceeds to dismantle this “Sir’s” simple-minded analogy.

centerforinquiry.net

88 freetoken  Jan 9, 2015 1:01:05am

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

One of the greatest secrets our government has ever kept is that all those community college campuses that were built in the 60’s and 70’s were really built to be FEMA CAMPS!

89 Dark_Falcon  Jan 9, 2015 1:02:43am

re: #87 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Stephen Law proceeds to dismantle this “Sir’s” simple-minded analogy.

centerforinquiry.net

The answer to that analogy is “And I’d be guilt of assault if I did so. “Free speech” means that one’s rights are not negated by the fact that someone else is a bad-tempered hothead. The hothead must learn to restrain himself instead. Sadly, that’s not been the way Europe has been going.

90 Dark_Falcon  Jan 9, 2015 1:13:57am

Oh Hell:

BREAKING NEWS: Shots fired in car chase with Charlie Hebdo killers amid fears they have taken hostages on ‘martyrdom mission’ towards Paris

Al Qaeda brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi pursued by 20 police vans and cars on main route into the capital
Believed to be hold up in industrial estate in town around 30 miles from Paris, possibly with hostages
Hunt for Al Qaeda gunmen had focused on massive forest around 50 miles north-east of Paris overnight
Police fear they have taken AK-47s and rocket launchers with them to carry out bloody last stand or take hostages
Came as French PM admitted men were ‘were likely’ to have been under surveillance before Charlie Hebdo atrocity
Dozens of armed police swarm into nearby villages to conduct house-to-house searches and set up road blocks

91 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 1:38:27am

re: #83 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What a fucking scumbag.

Uh, Alan. Don’t you have a child rapist to defend or a book to plagiarize instead of babbling on?

Need I point out that UpChuck is a big fan of Dershowitz, who for some reason was quite impressed with CCJ when he was in college.

Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, as it were.

92 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 1:41:18am

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Need I point out that UpChuck is a big fan of Dershowitz, who for some reason was quite impressed with CCJ when he was in college.

Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, as it were.

Breitbrat Joel Pollak too.

93 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 1:52:12am

re: #92 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Breitbrat Joel Pollak too.

And Ted Cruz…

94 goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2015 2:20:37am

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Need I point out that UpChuck is a big fan of Dershowitz, who for some reason was quite impressed with CCJ when he was in college.

High school. He met him because Dersh was the parent of a student there. Chuck claims that while in college he ran his attacks against a professor of Arabic by Dershowitz, presumably to make sure he they weren’t legally actionable. It doesn’t really speak well of Alan’s character or judgment that he associates at all with such a turd.

Here’s an article on CCJ’s attack against the professor, in which he responds in the comments. One of the people responding to him makes a point that is relevant today:

Skeptic says:
January 26, 2011 at 10:45 am
Charles, if you want us to believe you, then you need to release the names of the people who translated the documents for you. They’re not “sources,” so don’t pretend that you need to protect them. They are a critical part of your entire accusation that need to be brought to light in order for you to be credible.

It seems he learned long ago that he could simply assert the existence of expertise. If he hired professional translators to do the work, why wouldn’t they be wiling to go on the record? If he just used OCR and Google Translate however … that’s another thing. It should be noted that Prof. Bassam Frangieh continues to teach at Claremont. Honestly it sounds like he may have signed some troubling petitions, but y’know, that shit happens. Whatever dirt it was CCJ dug up, none of it seems to have stuck or appreciably harmed the professor’s career.

Really though, if all this adds up to anything it’s to impugn Dershowitz’s reputation. The idea that he would humor young CCJ as he went on this seemingly thinly sourced witch hunt against a language professor, instead of say calmly talking him out of the endeavor, and encouraging him to instead focus on his coursework, doesn’t paint Alan in a very favorable light.

95 Bubblehead II  Jan 9, 2015 2:51:35am

Morning Lizards from a chilly and Foggy Twin falls.

lb.511.idaho.gov

NOAA weather station at the airport is reporting 33 while the IDOT traffic cam a couple of miles away is reporting 27. Either way it is a bit nippy out there.

96 Lidane  Jan 9, 2015 3:11:51am
97 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 3:15:30am

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Or Dershowitz was busy, and just blew the kid off with a terse reply.

98 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 3:20:12am

re: #96 Lidane

Once community college is free, it’ll be rampant. //

99 Bubblehead II  Jan 9, 2015 3:46:22am

re: #96 Lidane

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100 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 4:03:40am

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

BTW Chuck was Dersh’s researcher for at least 3 books.

101 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 4:08:17am

re: #100 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

BTW Chuck was Dersh’s researcher for at least 3 books.

Are we sure he wasn’t plagiarizing?

102 Bubblehead II  Jan 9, 2015 4:12:07am

Well time to head out the door to work. See you Lizards tonight.

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 4:15:36am

re: #98 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Once community college is free, it’ll be rampant. //

And it will lead to an increase in community college campus rape.

/

104 Dark_Falcon  Jan 9, 2015 4:24:34am

re: #100 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

BTW Chuck was Dersh’s researcher for at least 3 books.

It does not speak well of the professor that he continued to employ such a floor-pooper.

BBT

105 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 4:40:34am

re: #101 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Are we sure he wasn’t plagiarizing?

Chuck? I suppose a researcher only supplies info, the author (or a ghost-writer) writes the text. Dersh on the other hand is known to have engaged in plagiarism before. Ironically he was exposed by another flaming turd, Norman Finkelstein. Here’s a good article on a site that I otherwise despise: counterpunch. org/2008/02/11/the-case-against-alan-dershowitz (I wouldn’t normally use it, but the info is only available there.)

106 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 4:43:43am

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

It does not speak well of the professor that he continued to employ such a floor-pooper.

Or being such a good friend with a child molester, incl. defending him after the facts became known by trying to discredit some of his victims.

107 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:48:54am

Armed gunman attacked a kosher grocery store, hostages inside

108 Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2015 4:49:39am
109 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:50:38am
110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 4:51:20am

re: #107 The Vicious Babushka

WTF

111 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:52:57am
112 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:53:54am
113 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:55:32am
114 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:56:59am

Looks like there are TWO hostage situations, one at Paris grocery and another at Porte de Vincennes

115 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 4:57:00am

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

Is it known whether it’s another Islamist?

116 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:57:57am
117 Dark_Falcon  Jan 9, 2015 4:58:16am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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The French finally corner the first two of these scum bags and now this other ratfucker shows up again. Not good at all.

118 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 4:58:44am

re: #115 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Is it known whether it’s another Islamist?

I think the Hebdo killers are holed up at Porte de Vincennes and the guy who murdered the police woman is at the grocery.

119 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:00:13am

My grandson is at yeshiva in Brunoy.

120 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:02:28am
121 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 5:04:41am

Seems like all are a part of one Jihadist group.

122 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:05:23am

OK there are two hostage situations, the Hebdo killers in Dammartin-en-Goele and the policewoman killer at the grocery in Porte de Vincennes.

123 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:07:01am

Hard to keep up. My French is not that great, following @LeMondeLive and @AFP

124 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:13:10am
125 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:16:40am
126 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:19:29am
127 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:22:04am

OH SHIT

128 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 5:22:39am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

Chuckie has been trying to implicate a Paris imam in the CH attack, using the time honored smear technique of guilt by association.

129 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:22:47am
130 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 5:25:01am

My Internet TV is down, so I’m thankful for the news bulletins here.

131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 5:26:19am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

I’m sure all the cretins who blamed the #CharlieHebdo massacre on Israel and the Mossad will now admit they were mistaken.

We all know that they do not hesitate to sacrifice their own kind to cover their tracks.

/

132 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:29:50am
133 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 5:29:59am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Those who think like that are unlikely to accept there was any hostage situation at all.

134 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 5:31:46am

re: #133 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Those who think like that are unlikely to accept there was any hostage situation at all.

I also read a site that claimed that the attacker’s body language reminded them of Russians…

135 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:32:59am
136 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 5:33:24am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I also read a site that claimed that the attacker’s body language reminded them of Russians…

Yes, there are CTs among the more unhinged anti-Putin circles that this is a Russian black op to destabilize Europe and to support FN. They even claim to hear Russian speech.

137 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 5:33:54am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

That’s unspeakably evil.

138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 5:34:34am

re: #136 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Yes, there are CTs among the more unhinged anti-Putin circles that this is a Russian black op to destabilize Europe and to support FN. They even claim to hear Russian speech.

No, no, no, these are Ukrainian fascists trying to pin it on the Russians to make them look bad…

139 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 5:34:52am
140 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 5:47:40am

Mornin’ everyone.

141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 5:52:57am

DAMN YOU OBAMA

142 Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2015 5:53:59am

Good news here in the US

143 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 5:54:26am

re: #141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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DAMN YOU OBAMA

Thank you Mitch McConnell.

144 Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2015 5:54:42am

Worst communist president EVAH!

145 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 5:55:15am

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

Hard to keep up. My French is not that great, following @LeMondeLive and @AFP

Run it past CCJ.

146 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 5:56:36am

re: #144 Targetpractice

Worst communist president EVAH!

It’s easy to explain. Obviously he threw many white God-fearing people in Twitter-Goulash GULAG where they’re forced to work. SLAVERY!

147 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 5:58:23am

re:
#143

Thank you Mitch McConnell.

Mitch McConnell and John Bayner are responsible for the drop in the unemployment rate but Obama is to blame for all the people not working or looking for work. #Facts #TheRealNumbers #FuzzyMath

148 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:01:04am

I do fear that in a few years FN may become the leading party.

149 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:01:04am
150 Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2015 6:01:34am

At this rate, the President’s gonna leave office in two years with UE roughly where it was when Clinton left office. Took the man 6 years to undo most of the mess his dumbass predecessor left in his wake.

151 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:02:11am

re: #150 Targetpractice

And if not for this mess, imagine what could have been.

152 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:09:49am

A TRUE CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT WOULD MAKE THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE 0% IF ONLY TEH LAZY MOOCHERS WOULD WORK FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!1!!!!!

153 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:11:52am

WHAT NOW

154 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 6:12:35am

Obama is making everyone work so they won’t have time to pay attention to BENGHAZI

155 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:12:49am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

Looks like all the extremists have decided to come out of the woodwork.

156 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 6:13:48am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

OH SHIT

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BBC “Breaking News” on my iPad app says police on scene have confirmed 2 dead. Let’s hope it’s the hostage takers and not any innocents.

157 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 6:14:32am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT NOW

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W? T? F?

158 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:15:04am
159 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 6:16:39am

So there are at least two separate situations near Paris? One is at a kosher market (I’ve heard it referred to as a supermarket, deli, or market) on Ave Porte de Vincennes in the 13th Arr (that’d be Southeastern Paris). The other is near CDG airport.

Both appear related to each other and to the Charlie Hebdo attacks, as well as a separate attack resulting in the death of a French policewoman the other day. It’s likely all part of the same cell.

Yet, there’s something irking me about all this. We’re being told that it required training and tactics to carry off the attacks, but yet the best that this cell could manage is to kill a bunch of unarmed journalists and a couple of cops who were caught by surprise and off-guard.

Is this the best that AQ in Yemen can do - and I know that sounds off, but when looking at capabilities, al Qaeda has gone from being able to pull off attacks against the USS Cole, the embassy bombings that killed hundreds of people, and 9/11, to now being able to attack a French satire paper. That’s quite telling about the limits of what AQ is able to do more than a decade after 9/11. It doesn’t mean let your guard down, but it should also put things in perspective.

Also putting things into perspective? That the cry and hue about Muslims overwhelming Europe are so vastly overblown that a handy dandy visual is needed to hammer it home:

Or, perhaps a few statistics:

And if you’re listening closely, just substitute Jew for Muslim in all those calls for banning Muslims from entering the country because the acts of a handful are indicative of the intent of all (and that’s the most limited kind of rhetoric streaming from the right, which also includes expulsion and flat out genocide). Even in France, where anti-Semitism is rampant, the fact is that most people - of all religions - just want to live in peace, and there are those who want to deny everyone that opportunity. They happen to include Islamist extremists who do not speak for all Muslims.

So, while attention is focused on Paris and the search for the Charlie Hebdo killers, there’s Muslims living in fear of Boko Haram rampaging across northeastern Nigeria, where reports of slaughter continue. That terror group is now threatening Camaroon as well, and Niger has now refused to assist Nigeria in retaking the area around Baga. Reports continue circulating that 2,000 or more people were killed by Boko Haram since the start of the year there, and that at least 20,000 people have been displaced. Some drowned attempting to flee across Lake Chad.

Yet, the silence and lack of media reports and access means that this horrific attack isn’t getting anywhere near the press coverage of the attacks in Paris.

160 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:17:32am

FUCK FUCK FUCK

161 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:22:47am

re: #159 lawhawk

Thanks for this level-headed analysis.

162 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 6:23:19am

re: #159 lawhawk

It’s insane that a handful of extremists are able to terrorize & disrupt a major city.

163 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 6:24:40am

re: #159 lawhawk

re: #161 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Thanks for this level-headed analysis.

Seconded. I’m on pins & needles over here and appreciate calmness.

164 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 6:24:46am

OT but barking crazy man Glenn Beck has a new “book” out, another one with Agenda 21 in the title. Maybe he’ll turn it into a serial. /

165 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 6:25:06am

re: #162 CuriousLurker

It’s insane that a handful of extremists are able to terrorize & disrupt a major city.

A few years ago, one guy sending Anthrax in the mail had people duct-taping their windows across America.

166 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 6:25:43am

re: #162 CuriousLurker

It’s insane that a handful of extremists are able to terrorize & disrupt a major city.

It doesn’t take much……9/11 proved that. 19 extremists created the most unprecedented chaos in modern American history.

167 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 6:26:21am

re: #165 darthstar

A few years ago, one guy sending Anthrax in the mail had people duct-taping their windows across America.

Of course, it didn’t help that our own government recommended that in case of chemical attack by Saddam Hussein.

168 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:27:05am
Interior Ministry says Trocadero incident is a false alarm.
169 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 6:27:11am
170 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:27:13am

Oof.

171 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 6:27:27am

re: #162 CuriousLurker

It’s insane that a handful of extremists are able to terrorize & disrupt a major city.

Didn’t they basically put the entire city of Boston on lockdown when they were looking for those 2 guys?

172 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 6:27:56am

re: #171 b.d.

Didn’t they basically put the entire city of Boston on lockdown when they were looking for those 2 guys?

Yep.

173 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 6:28:23am

re: #171 b.d.

Didn’t they basically put the entire city of Boston on lockdown when they were looking for those 2 guys?

Yeah. *sigh*

174 Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2015 6:28:35am

re: #169 darthstar

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Another thing to keep in mind: Back in 2012, Gingrich promised $2.50/gal gasoline and Romney promised 6% UE in the first terms of their presidencies.

176 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:31:25am

re: #175 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Thousands have paid tribute to a Muslim police officer who was killed as he pleaded for his life in the Paris magazine massacre.

Reminds me of the Druse police officer who was killed in the Har Nof synagogue attack.

177 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 6:32:03am

re: #174 Targetpractice

Another thing to keep in mind: Back in 2012, Gingrich promised $2.50/gal gasoline and Romney promised 6% UE in the first terms of their presidencies.

I’d love to see Romney get asked that on a Sunday show - “In 2012 you promised 6% unemployment via tax cuts - President Obama did the opposite and achieved it anyway. Were you wrong?”

178 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 6:33:52am

re: #167 darthstar

Of course, it didn’t help that our own government recommended that in case of chemical attack by Saddam Hussein.

In fact, the plastic/duct tape shtick is the correct approach to certain threats. I still have a drying roll of IDF-camo duct tape given us with the plastic in Israel. Saddam’s purported anthrax-loaded Scuds were a threat at the time. The plastic seals, properly done, give a day or so for response with decon units or Cipro issue.

(It was excess in our case—our embassy rental in Ra’anana had a blast shelter with a gas-tight door.)

179 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:34:56am

#TCOT response to unemployment rate is to scream about all the people who “dropped out” of the labor force. Because they retired.

180 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:35:42am
181 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:36:37am
182 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 9, 2015 6:36:42am

Morning Lizards, TGIF!

183 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:37:19am
184 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 6:37:31am

re:
#177

I’d love to see Romney get asked that on a Sunday show - “In 2012 you promised 6% unemployment via tax cuts - President Obama did the opposite and achieved it anyway. Were you wrong?”

This question of yours lacks the proper magical balance fairy element.

//

185 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 6:38:37am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe a nice piece of Nova Scotia.

186 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 6:40:27am
187 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 6:41:20am

re: #174 Targetpractice

Another thing to keep in mind: Back in 2012, Gingrich promised $2.50/gal gasoline and Romney promised 6% UE in the first terms of their presidencies.

By the end of their term in office (which would be 2016). Obama’s done that 2 years ahead of where the GOP claimed - and that’s not when the GOP was busy claiming Obama policies would mean $6 per gallon and sky high unemployment and recessions as far as the eye can see and the stock market crashing.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate continues falling nationally, the economy keeps chugging along at a steady clip, and the stock market has already recovered from the opening week jitters about oil prices at or below $50 (because cheap oil is now suddenly real bad for the economy, as opposed to being bad for the energy sector and states/countries most dependent on oil, natural gas, and coal). So, we might see retrenchment in the energy sector and heavy industry companies like CAT that make the gear that energy companies buy when expanding drilling (new generators, loaders, diggers, etc.) are going to take a hit if the energy companies cut back on new development.

Oh, and of course the GOP will keep pushing Keystone, even though the markets have already adjusted to not having it - and the economic impact will be quite limited to about 2,000 jobs for each year the pipeline is being built - which is only a handful of years, and then all of 50 jobs thereafter.

The refineries at the end of the line, are unaffected since they’ll be getting the oil no matter what - whether it’s shipped by rail or by pipeline (existing or new) and don’t need to put on additional people to work. So, in other words, the whole need for Keystone is vastly overblown, all while the environmental problems remain.

188 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:41:22am

I wonder if the terrorist(s) in the store want to make it about the “Palestinian cause”. Jew-hating terrorists often do. Then I would expect two things: 1. even more “Mossad did it to discredit…” CTs; 2. some outright excuses from certain quarters.

189 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:42:37am

Ben Shapiro still being a whiny little putz

190 ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2015 6:42:47am

Morning, though it does not appear to be good.

Don’t know what to say about the goings-on in France. Other than it is sickening and sucks.

Oh, and it is very windy again and the temps are dropping…dropping…dropping.

191 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 6:45:02am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

jesuisjuif? Qu’est-ce que c’est?

192 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:46:56am

re: #191 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

jesuisjuif? Qu’est-ce que c’est?

#JeSuisHyperCasher

193 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:48:45am

“I am a Jew” as a sign of solidarity just doesn’t sound right. It’s not the same as wearing a yellow star to show solidarity during the war, it’s more of appropriation, if you know what I mean.

194 Maggie's Pa  Jan 9, 2015 6:49:41am

Severe weather has shut down a 132-mile stretch of the Thruway in western New York for the second time since the epic November snowstorm.

195 Romantic Heretic  Jan 9, 2015 6:50:16am

re: #2 klystron

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Once heard by me in a record store.

“Did you know Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?

196 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:50:20am

It’s like if the white folks were all like “I’m black” after all the recent shootings. No, you aren’t. That’s the point.

197 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 6:50:29am

With the extremist insanity going on in France, it’s heartening to see this:


Muslim Groups Give $100,000 To Help Detroiters Without Water, Say It’s ‘Part Of Our Faith To Help’

Two Islamic organizations are alleviating Detroit’s water crisis with a generous donation that’ll benefit some of the city’s poorest residents.

Islamic Relief USA and the Michigan Muslim Community Council (MMCC) have donated $100,000 to the Detroit Water Fund and Wayne Metropolitan Community Action Agency to help the groups assist Detroiters with making their water bill payments, the Associated Press reported.

Beginning last spring, the city has been shutting off water for residents with overdue balances — a move the United Nations deemed a human rights violation.

huffingtonpost.com

Sadly however, this story won’t generate much attention, aside from locally, perhaps. It doesn’t bleed - and thus, it doesn’t lead.

198 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 6:52:06am

re: #195 Romantic Heretic

Once heard by me in a record store.

“Did you know Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?

Takei had a tweet yesterday quoting young people raving about this McCartney guy that Kanye West had discovered. Not sure if it’s legit, but it was still funny

199 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:52:26am

No more Breaking News updates from Porte de Vincennes, they have enlarged the security perimeter and shut down everything.

200 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 6:53:28am

re: #196 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s like if the white folks were all like “I’m black” after all the recent shootings. No, you aren’t. That’s the point.

I might pass as jewish, but no way I’d pass for an African-American.

201 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 6:53:30am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

Terrorists who have already done their deed and have nothing to lose are the worst kind…

202 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 6:55:19am

DUH! It’s the Sabbath.

203 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 6:55:27am

re: #159 lawhawk

I’ve paged and expanded things a bit more.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 6:56:03am

re: #190 ObserverArt

Snowing here at the moment, big fluffy clumps of snow. Shouldn’t last very long, however.
Not looking forward to another marathon stay-up-all-night-to-keep-the-pipes-from-freezing. Oh well.

205 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 6:59:13am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snowing here at the moment, big fluffy clumps of snow. Shouldn’t last very long, however.
Not looking forward to another marathon stay-up-all-night-to-keep-the-pipes-from-freezing. Oh well.

Snow is melting off here, and I’m not sad to see it go.

206 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 6:59:41am

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING: Jewish businesses all around the world close in response to Paris hostage situations

207 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:00:00am

New Faked Unemployment #s and now Free Community College?!?!?!

208 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:00:42am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snowing here at the moment, big fluffy clumps of snow. Shouldn’t last very long, however.
Not looking forward to another marathon stay-up-all-night-to-keep-the-pipes-from-freezing. Oh well.

Can you wrap them with heat tape? (I know, a little late now for such an idea, but for the future.)

209 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 9, 2015 7:00:53am

re: #207 b.d.

New Faked Unemployment #s and now Free Community College?!?!?!

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I wonder who the tranny is?

210 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 7:01:23am

re: #209 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I wonder who the tranny is?

Give me Libety or give me Dreath!!!

211 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:01:30am

re: #206 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

BREAKING: Jewish businesses all around the world close in response to Paris hostage situations

In hourly increments, totally coordinated by time zone!

212 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 7:01:45am

re: #207 b.d.

GIVE ME LIBETY OR GIVE ME DETH!!!

213 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:01:45am

re: #207 b.d.

Giv mee libety or giv mee deth.

214 Franklin  Jan 9, 2015 7:01:51am

re: #209 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I wonder who the tranny is?

We aren’t sure who the sign is referring to. But they are either a LIBETY or a TRANNY. We’ll have more at 11.

215 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 7:01:54am

re:
#207

Whare the Jobs at Obummer?

—-

JOB CREATers don’t owe you jobs, lazy Moochers!!!11

216 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:02:29am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

In hourly increments, totally coordinated by time zone!

Part of the worldwide Juice conspiracy.
/

217 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:02:55am

re: #215 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#207

Whare the Jobs at Obummer?

—-

JOB CREATers don’t owe you jobs, lazy Moochers!!!11

We need to give tax cuts to the job craters

218 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 7:03:04am

re: #207 b.d.

Idiocracy, here we come.

219 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:03:20am

re: #209 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I wonder who the tranny is?

Either manual or automatic. Could be one of those new six-speed jobs.

220 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:03:31am

re: #215 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#207

Whare the Jobs at Obummer?

—-

JOB CREATers don’t owe you jobs, lazy Moochers!!!11

HAHA STUPID LIBTARDS THINK “RIGHT TO WORK” MEANS A RIGHT TO A JOB!!!!!!!!

221 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:03:57am

re: #219 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Either manual or automatic. Could be one of those new six-speed jobs.

What if your tranny is also a hemi?

222 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 7:04:08am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

HAHA STUPID LIBTARDS THINK “RIGHT TO WORK” MEANS A RIGHT TO A JOB!!!!!!!!

Or a right to get paid…

223 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:05:17am

re: #221 b.d.

What if your tranny is also a hemi?

Then it better be Mopar.

224 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 7:05:33am

re: #221 b.d.

What if your tranny is also a hemi?

The toughest trannys are in semis.

225 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 7:05:54am

re: #207 b.d.

New Faked Unemployment #s and now Free Community College?!?!?!

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Heh! Where’s the jobs? When you’re fat, drunk and stupid (illiterate), who’s going to hire you? Maybe getting an education is what you need. Though community college isn’t going to help when you can barely string together words into a coherent sentence.

226 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 7:06:27am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can you wrap them with heat tape? (I know, a little late now for such an idea, but for the future.)

There’s heat tape on the kitchen sink pipes and out in the pumphouse. Bathroom pipes are wrapped in that foam stuff that looks like pool noodles. The rest of the pipes between the kitchen and bathroom aren’t accessible.

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 7:08:15am

Good grief:

Critically hurt man left in towed car for 6 hours in SW Ohio

DAYTON, Ohio (AP) —A southwest Ohio sheriff’s office is trying to figure out how a critically injured man was left inside a vehicle for six hours after it was towed from a crash scene in suburban Dayton on New Year’s Day.
A worker preparing to take the vehicle off a flatbed truck found the man screaming for help, the Dayton Daily News reported.

The man was in stable condition Thursday, a week after the crash in Harrison Township, Montgomery County sheriff’s Capt. Jeremy Roy said. Roy is reviewing the case to decide whether a formal administrative investigation should be done.

“We got a lot of people who missed him and that’s what we’re trying to determine - what happened,” Roy said.

228 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:08:27am

6 hostages at Paris grocery

Comments include updates from French Jews in the neighborhood.

229 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 7:09:06am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d say keep the faucets open just a bit in those locations - the running water will help keep them from freezing solid - and give room for expanding ice if they do freeze over so you don’t get burst pipes. Sucks that you’re having issues with the pipes (I have friends who had similar issues with pipes freezing in a cold zone over a garage).

231 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:10:37am

re: #224 Decatur Deb

The toughest trannys are in semis.

13 gears!

232 Timothy Watson  Jan 9, 2015 7:10:37am

re: #207 b.d.

New Faked Unemployment #s and now Free Community College?!?!?!

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How long until Rush Limbaugh starts insulting community college grads?

233 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:11:16am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s heat tape on the kitchen sink pipes and out in the pumphouse. Bathroom pipes are wrapped in that foam stuff that looks like pool noodles. The rest of the pipes between the kitchen and bathroom aren’t accessible.

I know this problem all too well. My sympathies.

234 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 7:11:27am

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

13 gears!

Peterbuilt.

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 7:13:43am

re: #229 lawhawk

I’d say keep the faucets open just a bit in those locations - the running water will help keep them from freezing solid - and give room for expanding ice if they do freeze over so you don’t get burst pipes. Sucks that you’re having issues with the pipes (I have friends who had similar issues with pipes freezing in a cold zone over a garage).

That’s what I did on Wednesday night.
I’ve been through the burst pipe nightmare twice already; don’t want to go through that ever again…I’m too old for that excitement.

236 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:13:44am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Peterbuilt.

I pity the rig salesman who asks if they need a new Peterbilt

237 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:13:59am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Peterbuilt.

One of my great wishes has been to try driving a semi — just the tractor part. preferably somewhere where I can’t hit anything

238 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 7:15:33am

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

One of my great wishes has been to try driving a semi — just the tractor part. preferably somewhere where I can’t hit anything

We have bootleg CDL driving academies all around here. Would only cost a few bucks.

239 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 7:16:01am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks for all the updates.

240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 7:16:40am
Interior Ministry has denied that 2 were killed at the hostage situation in a Kosher supermarket in Paris.
241 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:16:58am

re: #238 Decatur Deb

We have bootleg CDL driving academies all around here. Would only cost a few bucks.

Maybe I’ll try the next time I’m in the States.

242 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:17:43am

Police are evacuating the buildings around the market.

243 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 7:17:43am

I hope the terrorist’s brain […] before anyone is hurt.

244 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:18:15am

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Interior Ministry has denied that 2 were killed at the hostage situation in a Kosher supermarket in Paris.

Hope that’s true.

245 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:18:57am

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Prayers that that is true. The gvt. messaging has not been the best in the past few days though.

246 Timothy Watson  Jan 9, 2015 7:18:57am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

In hourly increments, totally coordinated by time zone!

Obama’s weak response to ISIS creates thousands of openings for Shabbos goy!

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247 Mike Lamb  Jan 9, 2015 7:19:11am

When Obama’s popularity/job approval continues climbing and is at a pretty high level come the 2016 elections, and the blue dogs suddenly ask for Obama to show up at campaign rallies, I’d love it if he would say “Gee, I dunno, I’m pretty busy that day. Let me get back to you.”

248 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 7:19:55am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Drove a dump truck (Delivering hot asphalt for repaving) with a Road Ranger 10 speed. It was a 5 speed with a 2 speed over-and-under box. You started by shifting through the 5 speeds then made an around-the-corner shift: 5 speed back to 1st and 2 speed to 2nd then shifted through the 5 speeds again. Doing it right necessitated sticking your left arm through the spokes of the steering wheel so that you use both hands to shift the two boxes quickly enough to not lose speed.
Good times.

249 Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2015 7:20:26am

Dems better be taking a victory lap very soon. You know damned well if there was a President Romney, the GOP would be on every cable and network station boasting him as St. Ronny Jesus

250 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 9, 2015 7:21:02am

re: #248 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Drove a dump truck (Delivering hot asphalt for repaving) with a Road Ranger 10 speed. It was a 5 speed with a 2 speed over-and-under box. You started by shifting through the 5 speeds then made an around-the-corner shift: 5 speed back to 1st and 2 speed to 2nd then shifted through the 5 speeds again. Doing it right necessitated sticking your left arm through the spokes of the steering wheel so that you use both hands to shift the two boxes quickly enough to not lose speed.
Good times.

Well, which bright light designed that gearbox?

251 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:23:20am

DailyKos can be so skullfuckingly stupid some times. The top diary over there now is how much DailyKos sux.

dailykos.com

Every time I put my toe back in the water over there something like that shows up and reminds me to back slowly away.

252 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 7:24:37am

re: #248 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Drove a dump truck (Delivering hot asphalt for repaving) with a Road Ranger 10 speed. It was a 5 speed with a 2 speed over-and-under box. You started by shifting through the 5 speeds then made an around-the-corner shift: 5 speed back to 1st and 2 speed to 2nd then shifted through the 5 speeds again. Doing it right necessitated sticking your left arm through the spokes of the steering wheel so that you use both hands to shift the two boxes quickly enough to not lose speed.
Good times.

If I bolt the Fairey overdrive onto my old Land Rover, I get an 8-speed range like that, without the steering wheel ballet.

253 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 7:25:33am

re: #251 b.d.

It’s been getting progressively worse over the years. My last drop was mass support for Chavez. I more or less stopped regularly reading after that, visit once a week.

254 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 7:29:01am

So, given the cold weather up here in the NYC metro area, I made a new soup last night. It was a chicken tortilla soup using whatever I had on hand. Can of black beans. Check. Tomato paste? Check. Cumin? Check. Smoky salsa? Check. Chicken stock? Check. Chicken breasts sliced thin. Check. Fresh lemon juice? check.

Let it all come together and used Costco organic tortilla chips and they held up very well.

It might have been missing scallions and avocado (or cheese for those who go that way), but it was quite satisfying and more filling than if I did a regular chicken soup. Had a bit of a kick. Yum.

255 Jenner7  Jan 9, 2015 7:29:10am

Thinking of France today…..

Got kids to school, going back to bed with my humidifier.

256 Jenner7  Jan 9, 2015 7:30:39am
257 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 7:32:00am

re: #250 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Well, which bright light designed that gearbox?

Actually, it was an elegant solution. A transmission with 10 dedicated speeds would have been huge and very complex. The shift gate would be a nightmare. After a while the around-the-corner shift was easy and drama free. It was just the idea of the thing that was off-putting at first. You did have to pay attention. Having a dump box full of hot asphalt a couple of feet behind me ensured that my focus remained sharp.

258 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:32:08am

WANTS TO REACH THROUGH SCREEN AND SLAP THIS PUTZ

259 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 7:33:11am
260 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:34:31am

Not #tcot is spamming the Eiffel Tower-Trocadero story that was debunked an hour ago.

261 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 7:37:29am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

If I bolt the Fairey overdrive onto my old Land Rover, I get an 8-speed range like that, without the steering wheel ballet.

I owned an Austin-Healey 100-6 with the Laycock de Normanville electrically shifted overdrive. I could split shift it through eight speeds. That big BMC tractor motor six had so much torque that it wasn’t worth the trouble.

262 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 7:50:13am

Assholes. Looks like they’re definitely working together.

Wut? *blinking*
Gosh, it’s a good thing Hezbollah doesn’t do anything extreme. //

263 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 9, 2015 7:52:07am

re: #259 lawhawk

I really have a love/hate relationship with Anonymous. Their alignment is definitely Chaotic Neutral.

264 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 7:53:29am

re: #263 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I really have a love/hate relationship with Anonymous. Their alignment is definitely Chaotic Neutral.

+1 for the D&D reference.

265 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 9, 2015 7:54:18am

What the hell? Okay a lot of you guys here understand the technical details far better than I or ninety something percent of the population.

Critics Say New Evidence Linking North Korea to the Sony Hack Is Still Flimsy

Neither Comey nor the Times sources mentioned when these incidents occurred, but the Times notes that “before the attacks in November, Sony Pictures was threatened in a series of messages posted to a Facebook account set up by a group calling itself ‘Guardians of Peace.’ After Facebook closed that account in November, the group changed its messaging platform and began sending threats in emails to Sony and on the anonymous posting site Pastebin.”

The timing of the mistakes could be important because within days after the hack was first exposed, stories about North Korea’s possible role in it were already being published, which would raise the possibility that if the hackers knew investigators were looking for North Korean links, they may have decided to provide them by using North Korean IP addresses. But that’s assuming the IP addresses the FBI cites are indeed North Korea IP addresses.

This is the main issue that critics have with all of the information the FBI has so far provided about the IP addresses: without knowing the exact IP addresses and what’s on the other end of them (a mail server, a web server, a laptop) or why officials concluded the addresses are used exclusively by North Korea, the public has little to go on to trust the government’s assessment.

266 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 7:55:39am

re: #262 CuriousLurker

When Hezbollah says, “You know…….this is bullshit, man. Fuck those guys” that’s a sign that should make extremists think twice.

But it won’t.

*headdesk*

267 BeachDem  Jan 9, 2015 7:55:48am

re: #251 b.d.

DailyKos can be so skullfuckingly stupid some times. The top diary over there now is how much DailyKos sux.

dailykos.com

Every time I put my toe back in the water over there something like that shows up and reminds me to back slowly away.

Shaun King’s diaries are the best thing over there—I had to laugh yesterday, as many of the commenters were suggesting that he should go work at the Intercept/First Look to reach a wider audience. As if.

I also like Hunter.

268 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:56:43am

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

How an the FBI provide enough information to the NKTruthers to convince them while still protecting their ways of intelligence gathering?

269 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 7:58:37am
270 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 7:58:49am

re: #267 BeachDem

Shaun King’s diaries are the best thing over there—I had to laugh yesterday, as many of the commenters were suggesting that he should go work at the Intercept/First Look to reach a wider audience. As if.

I also like Hunter.

An wider audience at First Look? Hahaha, a wider exposure to chemtrail crowd maybe…

271 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:00:09am
272 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 9, 2015 8:00:42am

re: #268 b.d.

See that’s the thing. I can easily assume that’s the case but I got very little ability to discern the credibility of the technical details.

273 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 8:00:45am

re: #268 b.d.

How an the FBI provide enough information to the NKTruthers to convince them while still protecting their ways of intelligence gathering?

Fortunately, the FBI doesn’t report to Citizen Journalist Johnson.

274 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 8:01:18am

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

Wut? Did they just blow themselves up or something?

275 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:01:28am
276 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:05:57am

David Bowie turned 68 today. I swear he doesn’t look like he’s aged a day in the last 25 years. Neither has his wife, Iman.

gothamist.com

277 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:09:19am

There’s one “Breaking news” headline (usually LeMonde or AFP, sometimes Sky) then all the rest of the news feeds echo it.

278 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 8:10:24am
279 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:15:19am
280 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:15:42am
281 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:16:45am
282 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:17:04am
283 Franklin  Jan 9, 2015 8:18:21am

Marco Rubio: Let’s put gay couples’ civil rights up to a popular vote

“If they wanted to change that law, they should have gone to the legislature or back to the Constitution and try to change it,” Rubio told Politico. “I don’t agree we should be trying to make those changes through the courts.”

I don’t think Marco Rubio understands how the Constitution or the judicial system work.

284 Franklin  Jan 9, 2015 8:20:49am

re: #283 Franklin

Marco Rubio: Let’s put gay couples’ civil rights up to a popular vote

I don’t think Marco Rubio understands how the Constitution or the judicial system anything works.

Updated.

285 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:21:08am
286 Timothy Watson  Jan 9, 2015 8:21:09am

re: #283 Franklin

Marco Rubio: Let’s put gay couples’ civil rights up to a popular vote

I don’t think Marco Rubio understands how the Constitution or the judicial system work.

Maybe we should put up to vote whether he should be allowed to marry a white woman, after all we can’t have the courts striking down anti-miscegenation laws.

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287 iossarian  Jan 9, 2015 8:22:29am

re: #286 Timothy Watson

Maybe we should put up to vote whether he should be allowed to marry a white woman, after all we can’t have the courts striking down anti-miscegenation laws.

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That was different because reasons.

288 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:22:50am
289 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 8:23:58am

re:
#283

“If they wanted to change that law, they should have gone to the legislature or back to the Constitution and try to change it,” Rubio told Politico. “I don’t agree we should be trying to make those changes through the courts.”

Well, this is nonsense.

RWNJ don’t think the law should be changed at all, by anyone, at any level of the political process (U can’t change the definition of Marriage!!!!1).

290 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:24:47am

Seems that Twitter embeds are acting a bit funky. Tried embedding a link indicating that AFP was indicating hostages were freed, while France 24 indicates that hostages may have been killed.

291 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:26:03am

aljazeera.com

Al-Jazeera live feed. They’re very cautious, not willing to report whether or not anyone was killed, or even if the commandos did indeed storm the facility.

They’re replaying, over and over, though, the moment (about 20 mins ago now) when two explosions were heard, then about 5 seconds after that, sustained gunfire (single shots), possibly 30 or 40 rounds fired.

The SAS expert says the firepower was not excessive, that coordinated assaults are likely to have occurred, stun grenades used, and that the decision was probably made to get the thing over with before sunset. He seems confident that everything is over.

The reporter is repeating that in one of the situations, there was only 1 hostage. The Al-J feed is pretty good.

292 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 8:26:29am

re:
#285

FLASH Charlie Hebdo suspects killed: source

Better dead than escaped, but I would have preferred that they face their victims and the victims families in court.

293 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 8:27:09am

re: #268 b.d.

How an the FBI provide enough information to the NKTruthers to convince them while still protecting their ways of intelligence gathering?

It sounds like that episode of the estimable TV series “Get Smart” in which Agent 86 tells the Chief “If we know who, what and why then we’ll know when and how.” In the case of the SONY hack, the IP evidence could be spoofed or the NK hackers could have blundered. It could have been that a disgruntled employee fed information to hackers, it could have been the fact that SONY’s security was found to be appallingly weak after it brought its security management back in-house. There are so many variables that any case you make could be refuted. I say toss a coin.

294 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 8:27:28am

So is it over? Are all the hostages safe? Can I breathe now?

295 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:30:00am

As to be expected:

296 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:30:07am

Simultaneous assaults launched at the warehouse, where the 2 suspects in the Charlie Hebdo killings were holed up - and the kosher supermarket East of Paris, where one hostage taker had multiple hostages.

In the warehouse, supposedly only 1 hostage had been taken ? But in the kosher supermarket, multiple hostages. All pretty unclear right now.

Okay Le Monde reporting that the 2 Charlie Ebdo suspects have been killed. Reports from French media say that the 2 suspects (the brothers) have been killed. French media say that the 2 brothers had been holding 1 hostage who was not killed.

During the assault on the kosher supermarket, supposedly some hostages released.

Al-Jazeera reluctant to confirm (or I should say, UNABLE to confirm) any of this, but it is coming from French media, and their own sources in the police forces. But nothing official yet.

297 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:30:54am

re: #294 CuriousLurker

298 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:31:03am
299 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:31:28am
300 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:31:31am

re: #292 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#285

Better dead than escaped, but I would have preferred that they face their victims and the victims families in court.

Yeah, you’re right. But if they are dead, it could have been worse: remember the Madrid cell after 11th March 2004 ? They blew themselves up and I think they took a police officer with them.

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 9, 2015 8:31:54am

re: #296 jamjam

Simultaneous assaults launched at the warehouse, where the 2 suspects in the Charlie Hebdo killings were holed up - and the kosher supermarket East of Paris, where one hostage taker had multiple hostages.

In the warehouse, supposedly only 1 hostage had been taken ? But in the kosher supermarket, multiple hostages. All pretty unclear right now.

Okay Le Monde reporting that the 2 Charlie Ebdo suspects have been killed. Reports from French media say that the 2 suspects (the brothers) have been killed. French media say that the 2 brothers had been holding 1 hostage who was not killed.

During the assault on the kosher supermarket, supposedly some hostages released.

Al-Jazeera reluctant to confirm (or I should say, UNABLE to confirm) any of this, but it is coming from French media, and their own sources in the police forces. But nothing official yet.

The Prince of Pixels has the best connections, so his exclusive breaking story soon to be released will be the most accurate.
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302 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 8:31:56am

re: #283 Franklin

Marco Rubio: Let’s put gay couples’ civil rights up to a popular vote

I don’t think Marco Rubio understands how the Constitution or the judicial system work.

Marco Rubio seems not to know that the Constitution doesn’t mention marriage.

303 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:33:14am

re: #301 Feline Fearless Leader

The Prince of Pixels has the best connections, so his exclusive breaking story soon to be released will be the most accurate.
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Of course. What the hell am I watching Al-Jazeera for ? I’ve got to wait for the real media magnate. His sources - many of them in his head - are never wrong.

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 8:33:14am

re: #301 Feline Fearless Leader

The Prince of Pixels has the best connections, so his exclusive breaking story soon to be released will be the most accurate.
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He’s already tweeted that he was the first to ID the grocery store hostage takers. Says he ID’d them two days ago.

idiot.

305 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 8:33:31am

re: #295 lawhawk

As to be expected:

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What an asshole. Yeah, we should’ve kept them alive so we could torture them ‘cause, y’know, that would be the civilized, freedom-loving thing to do.

306 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 8:34:24am

re:
#295

So: better they’re dead because otherwise they might have been waterboarded to find out whom they were working with and for?

So: Torture moves one step closer to gaining its own plank in the GOP platform, and long with cutting taxes, it’s own required pledge for the 2016 campaign.

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 9, 2015 8:36:28am

re: #302 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Marco Rubio seems not to know that the Constitution doesn’t mention marriage.

He’s so far on the wrong side of the basis of human rights that he doesn’t know it. Especially as far as the United States is concerned since the Revolution and the American Civil War were both fought on the basis that the powers that be were not going to electorally extend consistent rights to the residents. And that there has been considerable resistance to extending such basics as voting, marriage, etc. rights consistently since those conflicts as well.

There are simply some things that should not depend on a majority vote to control.

308 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 8:36:31am

What about the other suspects who had hostages, the man and the woman?

309 Franklin  Jan 9, 2015 8:37:05am

Arrived from Amazon just in time, I’m almost finished with Compendium 2. I’m binge reading the entire series of The Walking Dead comic. My collection is piece-meal: 2 compendiums 6 trade paperbacks and then I’ll have to buy the single issues to get up to speed.

310 Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2015 8:37:26am

Good riddance.

311 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 8:38:15am

To bad rubbish. The only pity is that he won’t be interrogated.

312 dell*nix  Jan 9, 2015 8:39:36am

re: #308 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The woman associate is still in the wind according to the news.

313 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:40:40am

re: #308 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What about the other suspects who had hostages, the man and the woman?

Unconfirmed as of the time I started this message, but an unnamed gov’t source says the Kouachi brothers are dead. AlJaz very cautious to report any ‘confirmed’ information, they’re referring only to other media, esp. the wire services.

But both the raids happened simultaneously, so that the Kouachi bros could not alert the gunman at the kosher supermarket. A flashbang was thrown in there, and gov’t sources say that the suspect has been “neutralised”.

314 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 8:40:53am

Do I understand correctly that all hostages are free?

315 Mattand  Jan 9, 2015 8:41:51am

re: #283 Franklin

Marco Rubio: Let’s put gay couples’ civil rights up to a popular vote

I don’t think Marco Rubio understands how the Constitution or the judicial system work.

Ask Christie how well that idea went down here in NJ.

316 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 8:42:26am

re: #314 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Do I understand correctly that all hostages are free?

So it seems, thankfully.

317 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 8:42:53am

re: #316 Dr Lizardo

So it seems, thankfully.

They deserve a million hugs now.

318 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:42:58am

re: #314 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Do I understand correctly that all hostages are free?

Quoting Al Jazeera guy, “the suggestion is that all the hostages have been freed, and the hostage-takers have been, quote, neutralised.”

Coordinated assaults on the two different sites. One in East Paris, one 40 km north of Paris. They had to coordinate them, so that one of the hostage-takers could not alert the others.

So the cops raided both places at the same time, to reduce any chance of violence of action on the part of either.

319 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 8:44:27am

re: #318 jamjam

Quoting Al Jazeera guy, “the suggestion is that all the hostages have been freed, and the hostage-takers have been, quote, neutralised.”

Coordinated assaults on the two different sites. One in East Paris, one 40 km north of Paris. They had to coordinate them, so that one of the hostage-takers could not alert the others.

So the cops raided both places at the same time, to reduce any chance of violence of action on the part of either.

No easy task, pulling off simultaneous operations like that. Bravo to the French police.

320 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 8:44:41am

re: #318 jamjam

The French supercops :)

321 Mattand  Jan 9, 2015 8:48:03am

re: #296 jamjam

Simultaneous assaults launched at the warehouse, where the 2 suspects in the Charlie Hebdo killings were holed up - and the kosher supermarket East of Paris, where one hostage taker had multiple hostages.

In the warehouse, supposedly only 1 hostage had been taken ? But in the kosher supermarket, multiple hostages. All pretty unclear right now.

Okay Le Monde reporting that the 2 Charlie Ebdo suspects have been killed. Reports from French media say that the 2 suspects (the brothers) have been killed. French media say that the 2 brothers had been holding 1 hostage who was not killed.

During the assault on the kosher supermarket, supposedly some hostages released.

Al-Jazeera reluctant to confirm (or I should say, UNABLE to confirm) any of this, but it is coming from French media, and their own sources in the police forces. But nothing official yet.

All this because people got their noses out of joint over some cartoons.

Yay, religion.

322 Ace-o-aces  Jan 9, 2015 8:49:25am

re: #295 lawhawk

As to be expected:

Notice, J-Putz doesn’t even consider using other methods to find that information. Nope, it’s straight to the torture and his “Jack Bauer in 24” fantasies.

323 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 8:49:59am
324 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 8:50:18am

re: #322 Ace-o-aces

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Notice, J-Putz doesn’t even consider using other methods to find that information. Nope, it’s straight to the torture and his “Jack Bauer in 24” fantasies.

France is not the US, it doesn’t torture, Jonny.

325 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:50:37am

re: #319 Dr Lizardo

No easy task, pulling off simultaneous operations like that. Bravo to the French police.

re: #320 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The French supercops :)

Absolutely ! Well done, if the info is correct, that all hostage takers have been, again to quote Al Jazeera, “neutralised”, and if all hostages have been released. Pretty phenomenal work by the cops - who supposedly had been in contact with the kosher supermarket gunman.

So the gunman at the kosher Jewish supermarket at St Vincennes said to the cops, “if you harm the Kouachi brothers at all, then I’ll kill all these hostages,” and so the police then were compelled to act simultaneously, and both the raids were launched within ten seconds of each other.

Another factor was the time, because it was getting rapidly dark (and is dark now), which would have reduced the ability to end the sieges both successfully AND simultaneously.

But everything went relatively well, so far as we know. “So far” being the key phrase, say Al-Jazeera, cautiously. They report that the Kouachi brothers actually came out of the print factory and started shooting at the police (once they noticed the police moving in, or after the flashbangs were thrown or something) - and that one of the cops was injured, by the Kouachi bros shooting.

326 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:52:25am

French gov’t sources express frustration at the deaths of the hostage-takers, though, because they’re worried about other potential assailants, and they don’t know the full constituency of the terror cell (they say)

327 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:52:46am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

That photo would be proof that the five hostages being held in the supermarket were released safely; the one woman being carried in a fireman’s carry may have been injured or otherwise unable to get out on their own.

328 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:54:23am

re: #327 lawhawk

Certainly looks that way, very good to know. Safety of the hostage from Dammartin still unconfirmed, but suggestions are that they’re safe.

329 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:55:13am
330 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 8:55:15am

Okay, so the hostages are alive & free and most of the bad guys are dead. What a relief—now I can try to get some work done.

Later, lizards.

331 Ace-o-aces  Jan 9, 2015 8:55:53am
332 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 8:57:22am
333 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 8:57:32am

re: #330 CuriousLurker

Well, lets hope all is over. But gov’t sources saying they’re frustrated about the inability to determine the motivations, and whether there are more members in the cell or not.

16 deaths in total (including the 3 hostage takers) - as of this moment. I really hope no more. Incredible and very sad.

The woman in the photo is either, according to Al-Jazeera, still on the run, OR she may have been killed in one of the raids. We’ll see.

334 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 8:57:43am

re: #331 Ace-o-aces

It’s pure incitement.

335 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 8:58:24am

re: #329 lawhawk

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BTW, the name Hayat means “life” in Arabic, yet she dispenses death. *grimace*

336 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:00:10am

re: #335 CuriousLurker

BTW, the name Hayat means “life” in Arabic, yet she dispenses death. *grimace*

Haya also means “life” in Hebrew.

337 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 9:02:12am

Meanwhile, in local NYC metro news - the SBA (the Seargant’s Benevolent Association) union chief is “writing off” DeBlasio.

Here’s a thought. Quit pushing BS and understand that the mayor’s comments weren’t an attack, but a call for the Department to do even better than it had in regards to racial profiling and use of force.

Instead, the department’s union chiefs staged a massive a hissy fit and are effectively perpetrating a work slowdown. Yet, the city remains just as safe as when they were busy harassing thousands of people every day w/stop and frisk.

It’s not exactly a good negotiating position to be in when you’re simultaneously smearing the mayor and are in agreement with a slowdown that has had no effect on public safety (while threatening that same slowdown would have an affect on public safety - but has resulted in fewer arrests and citations issued).

338 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:04:20am

re: #331 Ace-o-aces

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I’ve been watching that guy’s videos, actually, over the course of today (watching PBS Frontline’s excellent series of reports from 2002 through 2003 on Al-Qaeda in Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, through to the so-called Buffalo sleeper cell (which was very sleepy indeed), and onto the beginning of the war in Iraq. There’s one really shocking moment where they play Italian police audio wiretaps of two jihadis watching the video of the Nick Berg beheading. I wish I had not heard it. The blood curdling scream was one of the most disturbing things I’ve heard, ever - and these motherfuckers (who were watching the video, being wiretapped by the Italian cops), one of them said, “isn’t that a sin?” The other goes, “no, it has to be done for the cause ! Everyone will end up like this! “

I thought to myself, most of these brutal, vicious people have always had a penchant for sociopathy: take former head of AQI, now ISIS, the Jordanian thug (who beheaded Berg) Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

He was, before he became a jihadi, just a plain street thug with convictions for assault and armed robbery. Just a brutal and vile thug, using Islam as a cloak to do vile stuff, that he would have done anyway.

339 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:04:41am

4 hostages dead, according to Al-Jazeera quoting wire services

340 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:05:05am
341 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:05:17am

A cop was injured at Demmartin, but 4 hostages dead - so now 20 dead total.

342 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 9:07:19am

Choudary strikes me as a self-promoter like Zhirinovsky. A faux-extremist for whatever sake (money, fame, infamy…). Not to say he’s not dangerous, but he gives off a whiff of an actor playing a bad guy.

All Hail The King - Not The Mandarin Official Clip | HD

343 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 9:07:40am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck.

344 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:08:40am

FFS Ben in memory of the victims can you observe 5 minutes of Not Being A Putz?

345 Timothy Watson  Jan 9, 2015 9:10:04am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

FFS Ben in memory of the victims can you observe 5 minutes of Not Being A Putz?

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That putz is 30? Christ.

346 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 9:12:24am

re: #332 lawhawk

Meanwhile, erstwhile U.S. ally Saudi Arabia has flogged a man for insulting Islam

…and since Saudi Arabia is an “ally”, we are led to believe that they must represent “moderate” Islam. No wonder islamophobe asshats have such an easy time getting their message across.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 9:12:53am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

Damm…I was wondering when I didn’t see any children in the photo of the five hostages in your #323 post. Didn’t earlier reports say that children were among the hostages at the store?

348 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:12:53am

So, dead or wounded?

349 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 9:14:27am

re:
#344

I thought conservatives were all “We don’t see color or ethnicity we only see Character!!!11”?

350 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 9:14:46am

re: #335 CuriousLurker

BTW, the name Hayat means “life” in Arabic, yet she dispenses death. *grimace*

Asshayat

351 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:15:49am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damm…I was wondering when I didn’t see any children in the photo of the five hostages in your #323 post. Didn’t earlier reports say that children were among the hostages at the store?

Can’t find confirmation.

352 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:16:20am
353 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:16:49am

I thought, though, when I was watching Chaudery’s videos, “this guy is taking the piss”. Think about how much media attention he has. Imagine the influence he has, even if it is just within his mosque/community. Why ? Because he says, “Islam is incompatible with democracy, blah blah blah”, he agrees with terrorist attacks, he says inflammatory shit, but essentially, if nobody listened, then nobody would know, and nobody would care.

It is a vicious cycle: these morons say inflammatory stuff, get media attention, people watch them saying “behead those who insult Islam” or whatever nonsense, and viewers think, “What ?!? This is what Muslims think/believe ? They’re bad people. It’s a bad religion.”

And on, and on, it goes, because the media has this tendency to create narratives, and then to look for stories or quotes that fit the narrative they’ve created. It is dangerous. Once they’ve created this storyline - i.e. Islam is represented by vile people like Chaudery - they keep going back to it.

I consider myself reasonably well informed, but only today did I read about Maajid Nawaz, an articulate Muslim who is outraged by violence. Think about how often Chaudery is on the TV, in newspapers. Nawaz ? Rarely. It sucks. Lets see and hear from the guys who are AGAINST violence, because they ARE out there, in fact, they’re very easy to find, there are plenty of them, but the media doesn’t like “middle of the road” supposedly.

One e.g of Nawaz debating Chaudery: Maajid Nawaz debates Anjem Choudary

Another point: the guy who used to run the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson, actually quit the EDL based partly on some of the discussions he had with Maajid Nawaz.

Now, Robinson works together with Nawaz for a thinktank called Quilliam (en.wikipedia.org - the purpose ? To counter extremism.

354 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:19:09am
355 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 9, 2015 9:21:14am

Extremism sells. It appeals to base emotions and you don’t have to think or worry about nuance in being opposed to the “other” side’s extremism. And if they’re unbending zealots who just want to kill you there is no reason to study their positions or possibly see that they might even have some valid reasons to be pissed off or having contrary positions. Extremism builds a black-and-white world and unfortunately it appears that it is what a lot of people want, or at least appear to want enough that politicians find it profitable to appeal to it.

356 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:21:18am
357 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:26:13am

re: #356 jamjam

Why can’t you bring yourself to acknowledge that some of those victims were Jews? It’s like the right-wingers who wanted to deny #BlackLivesMatter.

358 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:26:28am

So the Demmartin duo (the Kouachi brothers) actually initiated the attack on the police - the French authorities were forced to take action. But they were very well prepared - despite the criticism they’ll probably take due to the loss of lives, the fact is, in Demmartin they were attacked, two police injured. Within ten seconds of the Demmartin attack, police were compelled to act, and so the coordinated actions were launched.

Reports now that it is unclear if 4 hostages were killed, or just 4 people (possibly 3 plus the hostage-taker).

At least one of the Kouachi brothers was trained and fought with AQAP in Yemen. Yemeni authorities had him on their radar supposedly - ie he was known to be affiliated with them, and he was known to have been fighting in 2011 in the south, and south east of that country, in battles with the government.

359 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:26:48am
360 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:31:09am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Why can’t you bring yourself to acknowledge that some of those victims were Jews? It’s like the right-wingers who wanted to deny #BlackLivesMatter.

You can’t be serious ? All lives matter to me. I resent your comment. I resent the implications of your comment.

It is a disgrace when any life is lost. It is a disgrace when a Jew is killed by a Muslim. It is a tragedy. That sura, that Nawaz posted, is strikingly similar to one from the Torah, which I admire very much. I do not know the chapter or verse, and perhaps it is from another Jewish text, but it says, “he who saves one life, saves the whole world.”

Finally, at this point, there are no official confirmations even as to HOW MANY people are dead. Why the hell would I be speculating as to their religion or ethnicity ? How crass it would be, if I was speculating on that, surely ?

I don’t know what I’ve said, or done to cause you to make that remark.

361 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 9:31:40am

Seeing some tweets about something going on in Montpellier France - another possible hostage situation. Nothing confirmed via news sources outside RT.

Appears to have been a jewelry heist that was interrupted. Not likely connected to any of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, but authorities in France are on high alert to anything out of the ordinary…

362 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 9, 2015 9:32:28am

Reuters brought the big lens of course. Amazing optics.

Here is what the lens can do

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363 Timothy Watson  Jan 9, 2015 9:33:20am

re: #362 Rightwingconspirator

Reuters brought the big lens of course. Amazing optics.

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Here is what the lens can do

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How much does one of those cost?

364 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 9:33:45am

re: #361 lawhawk

Seeing some tweets about something going on in Montpellier France - another possible hostage situation. Nothing confirmed via news sources outside RT.

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WTF?

Though that sounds like it could well be a robbery gone wrong, being it’s apparently in a jewellery store. But I’ll say the wackos are coming out of the woodwork in an unprecedented case of copycat effect, so who knows?

365 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:35:13am

re: #360 jamjam

You can’t be serious ? All lives matter to me. I resent your comment. I resent the implications of your comment.

It is a disgrace when any life is lost. It is a disgrace when a Jew is killed by a Muslim. It is a tragedy. That sura, that Nawaz posted, is strikingly similar to one from the Torah, which I admire very much. I do not know the chapter or verse, and perhaps it is from another Jewish text, but it says, “he who saves one life, saves the whole world.”

Finally, at this point, there are no official confirmations even as to HOW MANY people are dead. Why the hell would I be speculating as to their religion or ethnicity ? How crass it would be, if I was speculating on that, surely ?

I don’t know what I’ve said, or done to cause you to make that remark.

You seem very eager to sweep under the table the identities of the people who were killed. What kind of people do you think would be shopping at a kosher grocery and why do you think it was targeted?

366 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:37:54am

Still conflicting reports on how many were killed.

367 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:38:01am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Why can’t you bring yourself to acknowledge that some of those victims were Jews? It’s like the right-wingers who wanted to deny #BlackLivesMatter.

Truly, though, how can you possibly read into my comments, that I “can’t bring [myself] to acknowledge that some of those victims were Jews” ? My comments, somehow, are like right-wingers denying that black people’s lives matter ? I think I’m a reasonably even-keeled person, but I find that highly insulting. I am sickened by the loss of life. I hate violence. I hate war. I hate brutality. I hate extremist Islam. I think one of the best way to counteract it, is to help promote the voices of anti-extremists/counter-extremists in the media.

I loathe violence in all its forms. I loathe racism, and bigotry. I respect all people. I respect Jewish people. I respect Muslims. I respect atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists. I try to learn as much as I can about all cultures and all religions, as much so I can express my respect if I meet people from those cultures, as from curiosity.

368 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 9:39:43am
369 makeitstop  Jan 9, 2015 9:41:44am

re: #363 Timothy Watson

How much does one of those cost?

I believe I once saw a price of $25K for a lens like that. Could be wrong, though.

370 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:42:14am

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

You seem very eager to sweep under the table the identities of the people who were killed. What kind of people do you think would be shopping at a kosher grocery and why do you think it was targeted?

What ?? “Eager to sweep under the table the identities of the people who were killed” ???? We don’t know the identities of people who were killed.

Honestly, read my comments again. Eager to SWEEP under the table ? I’m lost for words, at this point, except to re-iterate that I take great offense to your remarks. It is beyond unreasonable to interpret my comments in that way.

Not good enough.

371 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 9:43:11am

Steaming turd dumped in a quicky log-in/log-out.

372 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:43:44am

re: #370 jamjam

What ?? “Eager to sweep under the table the identities of the people who were killed” ???? We don’t know the identities of people who were killed.

Honestly, read my comments again. Eager to SWEEP under the table ? I’m lost for words, at this point, except to re-iterate that I take great offense to your remarks. It is beyond unreasonable to interpret my comments in that way.

Not good enough.

What kind of people would be shopping at a kosher supermarket and why do you think this venue was targeted?

We are hurting and YOU are the one who is offended? Fuck off.

373 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 9:44:24am

This is interesting, if it’s indeed true:

The Algerian intelligence services warned France on January 6 of an imminent terrorist attack.

They must’ve picked up some chatter either through SIGINT or HUMINT.

374 Mattand  Jan 9, 2015 9:45:46am

re: #337 lawhawk

Meanwhile, in local NYC metro news - the SBA (the Seargant’s Benevolent Association) union chief is “writing off” DeBlasio.

Here’s a thought. Quit pushing BS and understand that the mayor’s comments weren’t an attack, but a call for the Department to do even better than it had in regards to racial profiling and use of force.

Instead, the department’s union chiefs staged a massive a hissy fit and are effectively perpetrating a work slowdown. Yet, the city remains just as safe as when they were busy harassing thousands of people every day w/stop and frisk.

It’s not exactly a good negotiating position to be in when you’re simultaneously smearing the mayor and are in agreement with a slowdown that has had no effect on public safety (while threatening that same slowdown would have an affect on public safety - but has resulted in fewer arrests and citations issued).

I can’t help but come away from the whole NYC cop situation and think the police have the attitude of “We run this city, not the civilian government”.

375 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 9:47:50am

re: #372 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of people would be shopping at a kosher supermarket and why do you think this venue was targeted?

We are hurting and YOU are the one who is offended? Fuck off.

Alouette, I’m not sure what you’re seeing in Jamjam’s posts, but I’m not seeing any disrespect or callousness at all.

376 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 9:48:24am

re: #372 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of people would be shopping at a kosher supermarket and why do you think this venue was targeted?

We are hurting and YOU are the one who is offended? Fuck off.

Unbelievable. Yes, I am highly offended. You’ve suggested I can’t bring myself to acknowledge that some of the victims were Jews, that I am similar to right-wingers who deny that Black lives matter and that I am eager to deny the identities of the people killed.

Yes, that is OFFENSIVE. How do you think I feel when witnessing something like this ? I feel horrendous, as does any human, as I am sure you do. Why are you saying these things ? Really, why are you saying those things ?

They make no sense, they have no relevance as to anything I’ve said, you’re way out of line, and you’re way off base, and you need to apologise.

377 rhuarc  Jan 9, 2015 9:49:47am

re: #372 The Vicious Babushka

“We” are hurting? Unless you mean the human race is hurting then you’re subscribing to tribalism and that isn’t helpful in anyway. Who was hurting when the 12 died at the magazine office? Which tribe can claim that hurt? Or is that hurt less than the Jewish hurt when a Jewish person is murdered?

I really don’t understand why you’re jumping all over jamjam about something as less inflammatory than the tweet he shared.

378 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:52:52am

Everybody is Charlie but don’t mention Teh Juice because that’s tribalism and you’re racist.

SMH

379 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 9:53:53am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

Everybody is Charlie but don’t mention Teh Juice because that’s tribalism and you’re racist.

SMH

WTF?

380 #FergusonFireside  Jan 9, 2015 9:55:06am

re: #375 b_sharp

Alouette, I’m not sure what you’re seeing in Jamjam’s posts, but I’m not seeing any disrespect or callousness at all.

Ditto.

381 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:55:17am

re: #379 b_sharp

WTF?

If you mention that Jews were singled out to be killed that’s “tribalism” and makes you a racist.

382 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 9:55:36am

I’m too angry right now.

383 rhuarc  Jan 9, 2015 9:56:09am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

WTF?

Seriously? Jews weren’t part of “We are Charlie”? They have to have their own separate acknowledgement? They aren’t part of the human race? I didn’t see the race/sexual orientation/religion of each of the Charlie victims specified so should we be upset about that? I’m really confused right now. You’ve always been one of my favorite commenters, but right now something is not right.

384 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 9:56:48am

re: #381 The Vicious Babushka

If you mention that Jews were singled out to be killed that’s “tribalism” and makes you a racist.

I know you’re upset, but I’m not seeing those kind of claims here.

385 CarolJ  Jan 9, 2015 9:56:58am

re: #375 b_sharp

Also supermarkets. kosher or not , serve everybody who has the ability to pay. What if you weren’t Jewish, but liked the kind of butter they sold? There are people who may go to a grocery not of that particular group simply because it’s the best, or the closest, or they were in a hurry. Kosher is simply a label to some people-but if the food’s good, they will go there.

I doubt if in the end, it really mattered to these fanatics. Anyone who wasn’t an open sympathiser was part of the problem to them, and a Muslim/Christian who was shopping there would have been considered a valid victim for being unbelievers anyway.

386 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 9:59:45am

This is probably not the best time and medium to work through feelings of shared grief.

387 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 9, 2015 10:04:20am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

Everybody is Charlie but don’t mention Teh Juice because that’s tribalism and you’re racist.

SMH

Why isn’t there Gentile student unions?
/

388 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 10:09:35am
389 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 10:10:30am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good grief:

Critically hurt man left in towed car for 6 hours in SW Ohio

That’s Ohio for you.

390 CarolJ  Jan 9, 2015 10:11:55am

This whole episode reminds me of McVeigh and the pretensions of the Manson family. These people kill a whole bunch of folks they don’t like, hoping to create an uprising of sorts, and then are shocked that it doesn’t happen due to the decency of people. They are shocked that people don’t want to follow callous killers and thugs in a liberation movement of sorts. Even the disgruntled don’t want to really follow them.

391 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 10:12:26am
392 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 10:12:43am

re: #375 b_sharp

Alouette, I’m not sure what you’re seeing in Jamjam’s posts, but I’m not seeing any disrespect or callousness at all.

Same here.

393 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 9, 2015 10:19:07am

Friends. Emotions are high, and communicating via typed words can be easily misunderstood. Deep breaths. Nobody here means any offense.

394 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 10:22:26am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

If I’ve done anything, said anything, or written anything, if I’ve implied or inferred in any way something that has compounded your own feelings of pain and grief, then I’m sorry. I’m truly sorry. I only wish you’d tell me what I’ve said or done, or suggested, that prompted your reaction.

Let me say it again: I am shocked, saddened and disgusted by the events in France. I am horrified. If the victims are Jewish - which, as you’ve speculated, being at a kosher supermarket it is likely they are - then that is a tragedy. The sickening, brutal and vile attacks perpetrated by sociopathic extremists are always tragic, because these perpetrators are bullies and guttersnipes, and their handlers are bullies and guttersnipes, and their supporters the same.

I feel appalled by these attacks. I feel stunned. I hate that anyone uses religion or ethnicity to commit violence against others. I was reading, today, about the Daniel Pearl beheading, and how the cretin Zarqawi referred to Pearl being Jewish as an implication that somehow he was guilty in some way - that is the same sort of thinking that the Nazis had, it is typically antisemitic and sickens me. But in part of the video, Pearl says, “My father is Jewish, my mother is Jewish, I am Jewish.” When I read in the Wikipedia article on the topic that Ed Koch actually had that statement engraved on his tomb, I found that incredibly moving. I hold Jewish people and their history, their culture, their achievements - I hold those things in the greatest and highest esteem. I have nothing but respect for Jews and I feel only sickened when I hear of the deaths of innocent Jews. And I feel sickened when I hear of the deaths of innocent people, anywhere. I hate war, as I said. I hate violence. I hate brutality. I’ve spent years studying the chemistry and physiology related to the human body because it applies to my research, and knowing how complex the body is, and more than that, the mind - it is like destroying the most beautiful, rarest thing in the world, to take a human life.

And only that Torah verse - or that sura from the Koran - express it, for me, with equal power, that when you take a life you destroy a whole world, and that when you save a life, you save a whole world. That expresses what I feel about murder much more eloquently than I ever could. I’m neither Jewish nor a Muslim, but I have great respect for the texts of both of those religions. The last thing I want to me is disrespectful towards your own beliefs or anyone elses.

But if the tweet that I linked to, in post #356, was what made you think I was somehow ignoring Jewish victims, I should make it absolutely clear that I did not write the tweet, but that it was written before the loss of life of the hostages - hence the tweet’s author was referring to the Charlie Hebdo victims, most likely.

Nonetheless, if I had to rewrite that tweet, I’d add, #RespectForAllPeople. Now, I don’t speak French, but my understanding is #JeSuisHumain means “we are all human” or something like that, and that we are all affected by extremism.

I understand people are feeling emotional, and I am feeling terrible to see these scenes on Al Jazeera. I hope you can read this post and review my previous posts, and see how what you said was monumentally uncalled for, and that yes, that it hurt.

And I can’t understand how anything I’ve written has caused you to make those remarks. I honestly am just stunned. I’ll leave it at that, but I hope you will explain to me, at some time when you feel like it, exactly what it is I’ve said or done to raise your ire. I’m not in the business of offending people, I don’t want to do it, I’m careful with my words, and it bothers and saddens me that I might have caused you to feel even more miserable, on an already miserable day.

395 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 10:26:22am

Well, of course he does. Even though it provided no actionable intel in the years that they had that going.

396 Mattand  Jan 9, 2015 10:31:49am

re: #395 lawhawk

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Well, of course he does. Even though it provided no actionable intel in the years that they had that going.

I wish these people would just come out and say “We want to put Mulsims in concentration camps.” They’re not going to be happy with anything less.

397 CarolJ  Jan 9, 2015 10:34:08am

re: #395 lawhawk

Not only that it’s not effective, but the kind of folks that would/and have carried off such attacks are usually “lone wolves” who aren’t likely to be on the Mosque Building Committee. Some wall themselves off because the mosques are full of folks they consider “too moderate” Others are in little self-contained cults under a radical imam who urges isolation from the rest of society in preparation for some apocalyptic end. Also plotters know that members start to notice things that may lead them to tip police off that something’s wrong. If Hussein becomes withdrawn or acts strange, fellow members may ask what’s the matter or even tell his parents.

The September 11th hijackers were isolated like that.

398 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 10:35:30am

re: #337 lawhawk

And yet, 2 police unions just ratified new deals with the City.

Two uniformed officer unions have ratified new contracts union leaders and City Hall confirmed Thursday. Members of the unions for NYPD Captains and Sanitation Chiefs approved tentative deals announced by the city last month, which include 11 percent wage increases compounded over nearly 7 years.

In a statement, Mayor de Blasio said the contracts overwhelmingly approved by the Captains and Sanitation Chiefs show that deals with the other unions should be possible without the need for arbitration or litigation.

All these deals were in the works before the killing of two NYPD cops and the recriminations made by the PBA against the mayor.

399 The War TARDIS  Jan 9, 2015 10:39:55am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

This is looking like the warnings from 9/11 all over again.

We had these clowns on our radar. Yemen had them on there radar, and so did Algeria.

How did the French government miss this?

400 Maggie's Pa  Jan 9, 2015 10:43:07am

re: #4 b_sharp

I have a snow blower I can’t start.

Did you get your snow blower running?

401 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 10:47:06am

re: #395 lawhawk

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Shut up Rudy.

402 makeitstop  Jan 9, 2015 10:49:24am

re: #395 lawhawk

I find Fox News’ titling of ‘Mayor vs. Mayor’ to be completely asinine.

Rudy ain’t Mayor any more. He hasn’t been since 2001. Di Blasio is mayor now, and Rudy and Fox should get the fuck over it.

403 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 10:49:38am

re: #395 lawhawk

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Well, of course he does. Even though it provided no actionable intel in the years that they had that going.

Wouldn’t be more prudent just to watch all Frenchmen? There are less of them than there are Muslims.

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404 Kragar  Jan 9, 2015 10:49:55am
405 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 10:52:01am

re: #399 The War TARDIS

I’m watching Al Jazeera (probably abundantly clear by now since I’ve mentioned it in nearly every post!) but they’re saying both brothers were on a French no fly list.

BTW, with reference to anti-extremism, and police in mosques: reporters are talking to some attendants at a German mosque, actually, and the Imam there gave a sermon to the effect of, “there is no justification for this sort of violence in Islam or the teachings of the prophet”. The parishioners vox pops were in the same vein.

Putting police in mosques ? I didn’t even know they did that, but as far as I remember, one of the Boston bombers went to a mosque that was, I think, under surveillance, and as someone else here mentioned, he just dropped out eventually - likely concerned that expressing extremist views would only attract unwanted attention and probably, hopefully, chastisement from fellow worshippers.

One of the themes of this attack that reporters have been touching on, is this desire to “split society” or “split elements of society”, so the terrorists used sociopolitical calculations in planning their attack (like the Madrid bombers did, in that case the desire being to push Spain out of the COTW and the Iraq War). In this case, I think the split being referred to, is between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Actually, CarolJ’s post at #390, put it much better than I’ll be able to - that these bastards are trying to get people to follow them or to “rise”, but people are fundamentally, for the most part, decent. Too much so for these brutal idiots with their maniacal, savage plans:

re: #390 CarolJ

This whole episode reminds me of McVeigh and the pretensions of the Manson family. These people kill a whole bunch of folks they don’t like, hoping to create an uprising of sorts, and then are shocked that it doesn’t happen due to the decency of people. They are shocked that people don’t want to follow callous killers and thugs in a liberation movement of sorts. Even the disgruntled don’t want to really follow them.

Really well said.

406 Lidane  Jan 9, 2015 10:52:28am

GOP minority outreach, sexist and racist edition:

You know, because Beyonce is helpless and can’t make her own damn decisions about her life and her career.

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407 Mattand  Jan 9, 2015 10:53:51am

re: #402 makeitstop

I find Fox News’ titling of ‘Mayor vs. Mayor’ to be completely asinine.

Rudy ain’t Mayor any more. He hasn’t been since 2001. Di Blasio is mayor now, and Rudy and Fox should get the fuck over it.

I noticed that, too.

408 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 10:55:23am

re: #399 The War TARDIS

This is looking like the warnings from 9/11 all over again.

We had these clowns on our radar. Yemen had them on there radar, and so did Algeria.

How did the French government miss this?

Two possible reasons occur to me. The first is that the intelligence agencies are drinking from the end of a fire hose. They are possibly gathering so much information that there’s no effective way to winnow out the really important bits - let alone fit them into a coherent, actionable picture. The second is that one item I read mentioned that there were 100 or more ex-jihadi fighters at large in France. Putting that many people under tight surveillance would require the efforts of several hundred people.

409 Timothy Watson  Jan 9, 2015 10:55:26am

re: #406 Lidane

GOP minority outreach, sexist and racist edition:

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You know, because Beyonce is helpless and can’t make her own damn decisions about her life and her career.

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Which means even less sense when you consider that Jay-Z and Beyonce are signed to different record labels.

410 Mattand  Jan 9, 2015 10:56:47am

re: #390 CarolJ

This whole episode reminds me of McVeigh and the pretensions of the Manson family. These people kill a whole bunch of folks they don’t like, hoping to create an uprising of sorts, and then are shocked that it doesn’t happen due to the decency of people. They are shocked that people don’t want to follow callous killers and thugs in a liberation movement of sorts. Even the disgruntled don’t want to really follow them.

I wish Bill Maher has remembered that before he shit out that “Hundreds of millions of Muslims support the attack” turd on Jimmy Kimmel the other night.

Every bigot I’ve met always claims they not prejudiced, just speaking the truth. There’s no difference between Maher and my racist uncle when it comes to this stuff.

411 Lidane  Jan 9, 2015 10:57:18am

re: #409 Timothy Watson

Which means even less sense when you consider that Jay-Z and Beyonce are signed to different record labels.

Plus it ignores the fact that Beyonce had her own independent career and was a multi-millionaire in her own right before she married Jay-Z. She didn’t need him to get rich, and she doesn’t need him to keep her own career going.

412 Mattand  Jan 9, 2015 10:57:52am

re: #409 Timothy Watson

Which means even less sense when you consider that Jay-Z and Beyonce are signed to different record labels.

And, IIRC, she was a superstar before she hooked up with Jay-Z.

413 Justanotherhuman  Jan 9, 2015 10:58:23am

Relieved these 2 incidents are over—17 innocent people are dead, though, 3 of them because they were Jewish and probably just getting ready for their Sabbath, 1 because she was a police officer and symbol of French authority, and the rest because they took freedom of expression and speech as a basic human right.

It also points up the deadly consequences of allowing fundamentalist religious beliefs, from any quarter, to infest politics. We should never have theocracies of any sort, or anything close, anywhere, simply due to this kind of deadly zealotry.

If the price of allowing a few to become Saudi royalty is to turn over to religious figures the control of the social arena, this is going to be the consequence, also. We’ve seen this scenario before throughout history. Haven’t we yet learned the lesson?

414 dog philosopher  Jan 9, 2015 10:59:21am

the hebdo massacre tempts me to take the position that the practice of religion should be outlawed as a threat to public safety

415 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 10:59:50am

re: #408 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Two possible reasons occur to me. The first is that the intelligence agencies are drinking from the end of a fire hose. They are possibly gathering so much information that there’s no effective way to winnow out the really important bits - let alone fit them into a coherent, actionable picture. The second is that one item I read mentioned that there were 100 or more ex-jihadi fighters at large in France. Putting that many people under tight surveillance would require the efforts of several hundred people.

This. I’d add that, though we know about THESE warnings and indicators, what we DON’T know is how many similar things come in at the same time. This is the problem with judging people’s actions based on what they “should have known” at the time.

416 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 11:01:05am
417 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:02:02am

re: #413 Justanotherhuman

Relieved these 2 incidents are over—17 innocent people are dead, though, 3 of them because they were Jewish and probably just getting ready for their Sabbath, 1 because she was a police officer and symbol of French authority, and the rest because they took freedom of expression and speech as a basic human right.

It also points up the deadly consequences of allowing fundamentalist religious beliefs, from any quarter, to infest politics. We should never have theocracies of any sort, or anything close, anywhere, simply due to this kind of deadly zealotry.

If the price of allowing a few to become Saudi royalty is to turn over to religious figures the control of the social arena, this is going to be the consequence, also. We’ve seen this scenario before throughout history. Haven’t we yet learned the lesson?

No, because it’s always SOMEBODY ELSE’S religion that’s the problem.

418 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 9, 2015 11:02:14am

re: #413 Justanotherhuman

Relieved these 2 incidents are over—17 innocent people are dead, though, 3 of them because they were Jewish and probably just getting ready for their Sabbath, 1 because she was a police officer and symbol of French authority, and the rest because they took freedom of expression and speech as a basic human right.

It also points up the deadly consequences of allowing fundamentalist religious beliefs, from any quarter, to infest politics. We should never have theocracies of any sort, or anything close, anywhere, simply due to this kind of deadly zealotry.

If the price of allowing a few to become Saudi royalty is to turn over to religious figures the control of the social arena, this is going to be the consequence, also. We’ve seen this scenario before throughout history. Haven’t we yet learned the lesson?

Of course not. Religion is simply too useful as a social control. And having an “opposing” religion doubly useful since its extremists act as useful boogeymen to hold up as the threat that is the reason you should submit to the commands of the powers that be and properly defending the faith. You pay one to fight (protect) you and the other to pray for you.

419 Franklin  Jan 9, 2015 11:02:23am

re: #409 Timothy Watson

Which means even less sense when you consider that Jay-Z and Beyonce are signed to different record labels.

And both independently filthy rich.

420 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 11:02:33am

re: #416 Charles Johnson

Ah, the troll hammer has been busy… and the day is young…

421 Lidane  Jan 9, 2015 11:03:30am

re: #417 Blind Frog Belly White

No, because it’s always SOMEBODY ELSE’S religion that’s the problem.

422 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 11:03:52am
423 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 11:05:18am

re: #400 Maggie’s Pa

Did you get your snow blower running?

No. It looks like a blockage in the fuel feed. I have to take it apart, something I will not do in -35C windchills.

424 Justanotherhuman  Jan 9, 2015 11:05:45am

Let’s not forget that one of the police officers killed during the raid on Charlie Hebdo by the brothers was reported to be Muslim.

BBL.

425 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 11:07:29am

re: #414 dog philosopher

the hebdo massacre tempts me to take the position that the practice of religion should be outlawed as a threat to public safety

I’d be inclined to agree with you if I thought it would put an end to human violence, extremism and intolerance, but it wouldn’t.

426 makeitstop  Jan 9, 2015 11:08:19am

re: #409 Timothy Watson

Which means even less sense when you consider that Jay-Z and Beyonce are signed to different record labels.

And Beyonce had a pretty good career going before she got married.

427 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:08:51am

re: #416 Charles Johnson

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Islamic terrorists are not werewolves, they’re human beings. You can kill them dead with plain old bullets, and they’ll be just as dead as if you greased the bullets with bacon fat, or whatever.

Why is it that the RW thinks that anything porcine is like kryptonite to Muslims? If I understand correctly, isn’t it just the same dietary restrictions contained in the OT? And why would anyone think that mistreating a body after death would deny the faithful of any particular faith their entry into whatever their particular heaven is?

428 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 11:09:44am

re: #423 b_sharp

No. It looks like a blockage in the fuel feed. I have to take it apart, something I will not do in -35C windchills.

Just take the blower inside and field-strip the fuel system in front of a nice warm fire.

429 makeitstop  Jan 9, 2015 11:10:11am

re: #426 makeitstop

And Beyonce had a pretty good career going before she got married.

And now I notice that a few of you have also pointed this out.

(Note to self: Read the whole thread.)

430 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:10:37am

re: #428 Decatur Deb

Just take the blower inside and field-strip the fuel system in front of a nice warm fire.

And have a cigaret while you’re at it. What’s the worst that could happen?
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431 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 9, 2015 11:10:42am

re: #363 Timothy Watson

How much does one of those cost?

I think about $75,000 maybe a little less through the LGF Amazon associate link. ;-)

432 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:12:10am

re: #431 Rightwingconspirator

I think about $75,000 maybe a little less through the LGF Amazon associate link. ;-)

Right. And get the economy shipping. Toss it in a big box with some styrofoam peanuts. It’ll be fine!

433 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 11:12:29am

re: #406 Lidane

GOP minority outreach, sexist and racist edition:

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You know, because Beyonce is helpless and can’t make her own damn decisions about her life and her career.

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Huckabee just established the racist bigot baseline for the GOP’s 2016 hopefuls. The rest of them are now obligated to make remarks that are more racist and bigoted lest Huckabee gain an edge. GOP sexism continues to have no bounds.

434 dog philosopher  Jan 9, 2015 11:14:24am

re: #418 Feline Fearless Leader

Of course not. Religion is simply too useful as a social control. And having an “opposing”

we have always been at war with eastasia

435 ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2015 11:15:43am

re: #389 darthstar

That’s Ohio for you.

As an Ohioan I have to ask what do you mean by that comment?

Not sure whats going on around here today, but I think I am going to log back out. Some of the behaviors around here are sort of shocking to me. Aren’t the Lizard folk better than this?

436 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 11:16:35am

re: #427 Blind Frog Belly White

Islamic terrorists are not werewolves, they’re human beings. You can kill them dead with plain old bullets, and they’ll be just as dead as if you greased the bullets with bacon fat, or whatever.

Why is it that the RW thinks that anything porcine is like kryptonite to Muslims? If I understand correctly, isn’t it just the same dietary restrictions contained in the OT? And why would anyone think that mistreating a body after death would deny the faithful of any particular faith their entry into whatever their particular heaven is?

They don’t actually think it has magic powers — they’re just letting their bigotry hang out. That’s all it is.

437 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 11:18:26am

re: #414 dog philosopher

the hebdo massacre tempts me to take the position that the practice of religion should be outlawed as a threat to public safety

I’ve thought about this a great deal over the past few years. I’ve been wondering what the world would look like in the absence of religion. I think we’d still see terrorist attacks, and I think we’d still see bombings and brutal siege situations. In fact, we do see them and have seen them, as ideologically motivated: the Red Brigades in Italy, the Baader-Meinhof gang in Germany, and in fact, while the IRA were self-described defenders of the Catholic communities in certain parts of NI, they weren’t motivated by religion, but instead, by the desire to (i) kick the Brits from the occupied 6 counties, (ii) to protect Republicans and Nationalists against attacks from the UVF/UDA/Red Hand Commandoes, and what Irish Republicans would refer to as the rest of the apparatus of the British State.

But what I’ve concluded, and I may be wrong but I don’t think I’m too far off, is, that young men seem to be most easily recruited for war, for battle, for conflict. I think there’s a period in the life of many young males, particularly those who might refer to use of strength or to force as a positive characteristic, when they are both physically and mentally susceptible to want to fight.

And doing a bit of research over the last few days, it seems like many of these Islamist terrorists were brutal people before they were radicalised. So I think you can be radicalised to commit violence for a cause - and it is this devotion to ideology, to some cause, that I think is dangerous. Not specifically to a religion.

A great example is Thucydides and his account of the Peloponesian War. There’s one part, where the Corinthians (I think - or was it the Corscyrans?) appeal to the Athenians, suggesting they should aid them militarily. And the wise and older men say, “no, we won’t be dragged into a battle against the Spartans because you need our help. Think of how brutal and bloody this war will be.” But then, some of the younger members of the demos prevail, and they appeal to honour, to power, to competition, and they are eager to fight - to fight on behalf of the Corinthians and to fight against the Spartans.

I think it is as old as civilisation, that is, conflict and violence. What religious radicalisation seems to do is, completely convince people. I have a friend who was a Catholic, but in name only. For some reason he started viewing conservative Catholic videos by some guy named Michael Voris (on a website called ‘Church Militant’). Now, he fits the very definition of a person who is radicalised. He is utterly convinced. You can’t change his mind. But I think there re people who are convinced, in the same way, of many ideologies, of many sets of ideas and philosophies.

So I think a world without religion would not be much better, or worse, than the world is today. I could be wrong - but I just think religion would be replaced by some other motivator for violence, i.e. some other ideology.

438 Snarknado!  Jan 9, 2015 11:20:01am

re: #436 Charles Johnson

They don’t actually think it has magic powers — they’re just letting their bigotry hang out. That’s all it is.

See the Sepoy mutiny for what beef and pork fat can do to a situation.

439 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 11:20:20am

Well, it’s not all about a tool for social control.

Sometimes it’s about some groovy music.

Sheikh Bahauddin & Ayberk Efendi / Beautiful Nasheed Subhanim Allah / Sufi Zentrum Ludwigshafen

Of course, I’m well aware, that many of my co-religionists wouldn’t consider me - being a Sufi - a “true Muslim”. Indeed, my more extreme brethren consider us Sufis as “devils” or “agents of the West” or some such twaddle.

440 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:21:21am

re: #436 Charles Johnson

They don’t actually think it has magic powers — they’re just letting their bigotry hang out. That’s all it is.

I don’t know. I remember discussions on other forums where wingnuts thought they could prevent Muslims going to Muslim Heaven by sewing their bodies into pigskin bags.

But yes, it IS about letting their bigotry hang out. And it seems like a contest on some forums, to see who can be the most bigoted and say the most outrageous things. Part of why i stopped engaging them.

441 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 11:21:24am

re: #425 CuriousLurker

I’d be inclined to agree with you if I thought it would put an end to human violence, extremism and intolerance, but it wouldn’t.

It took me 6 paragraphs to say what you said in 1 - very well put, and yep, exactly how I feel about it.

442 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 11:21:43am

re: #430 Blind Frog Belly White

And have a cigaret while you’re at it. What’s the worst that could happen?
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Have to stay warm.

443 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:22:19am

re: #442 b_sharp

Have to stay warm.

Then have a couple whiskeys before you start.

444 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 11:23:50am

re: #442 b_sharp

Have to stay warm.

Our LGF advice ought to work for a while.

445 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 9, 2015 11:24:56am

re:
#406

Concern troll Mike Huckabee thinks Jay Z ‘arguably’ pimps out Beyoncé

“Word farts”. A book full of them. A book called God, Guns, Gravy and something else. A very totally serious book of American statesmenship. ////

446 Eventual Carrion  Jan 9, 2015 11:26:55am

re: #425 CuriousLurker

I’d be inclined to agree with you if I thought it would put an end to human violence, extremism and intolerance, but it wouldn’t.

Too true. We never seem to fail to find a way to mistreat other humans/creatures, for whatever reason.

447 dog philosopher  Jan 9, 2015 11:27:47am

re: #437 jamjam

I’ve thought about this a great deal over the past few years. I’ve been wondering what the world would look like in the absence of religion. I think we’d still see terrorist attacks, and I think we’d still see bombings and brutal siege situations. In fact, we do see them and have seen them, as ideologically motivated: the Red Brigades in Italy, the Baader-Meinhof gang in Germany, and in fact, while the IRA were self-described defenders of the Catholic communities in certain parts of NI, they weren’t motivated by religion, but instead, by the desire to (i) kick the Brits from the occupied 6 counties, (ii) to protect Republicans and Nationalists against attacks from the UVF/UDA/Red Hand Commandoes, and what Irish Republicans would refer to as the rest of the apparatus of the British State.

But what I’ve concluded, and I may be wrong but I don’t think I’m too far off, is, that young men seem to be most easily recruited for war, for battle, for conflict. I think there’s a period in the life of many young males, particularly those who might refer to use of strength or to force as a positive characteristic, when they are both physically and mentally susceptible to want to fight.

And doing a bit of research over the last few days, it seems like many of these Islamist terrorists were brutal people before they were radicalised. So I think you can be radicalised to commit violence for a cause - and it is this devotion to ideology, to some cause, that I think is dangerous. Not specifically to a religion.

A great example is Thucydides and his account of the Peloponesian War. There’s one part, where the Corinthians (I think - or was it the Corscyrans?) appeal to the Athenians, suggesting they should aid them militarily. And the wise and older men say, “no, we won’t be dragged into a battle against the Spartans because you need our help. Think of how brutal and bloody this war will be.” But then, some of the younger members of the demos prevail, and they appeal to honour, to power, to competition, and they are eager to fight - to fight on behalf of the Corinthians and to fight against the Spartans.

I think it is as old as civilisation, that is, conflict and violence. What religious radicalisation seems to do is, completely convince people. I have a friend who was a Catholic, but in name only. For some reason he started viewing conservative Catholic videos by some guy named Michael Voris (on a website called ‘Church Militant’). Now, he fits the very definition of a person who is radicalised. He is utterly convinced. You can’t change his mind. But I think there re people who are convinced, in the same way, of many ideologies, of many sets of ideas and philosophies.

So I think a world without religion would not be much better, or worse, than the world is today. I could be wrong - but I just think religion would be replaced by some other motivator for violence, i.e. some other ideology.

i think the difference between religion and other excuses for violence is that religion has a built in magical and irrational element

“almighty god has secretly told me that this holy text requires you to kill these people (even though the words dont actually say that)”

this is dangerous

448 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 11:28:02am

re: #444 Decatur Deb

Our LGF advice ought to work for a while.

I’m sure glad I have such good friends with such good advice.

449 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 11:29:51am

re: #447 dog philosopher

i think the difference between religion and other excuses for violence is that religion has a built in magical and irrational element

“almighty god has secretly told me that this holy text requires you to kill these people (even though the words dont actually say that)”

this is dangerous

To an authoritarian, God is the ultimate authority making religion the most powerful motivator.

450 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 11:30:25am

re: #448 b_sharp

I’m sure glad I have such good friends with such good advice.

I’ll bring the sammiches, the kind that need toasting.

451 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 9, 2015 11:36:12am

re: #395 lawhawk

So says the guy who was mayor of NYC when 9/11 happened.

452 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 11:46:27am

I should add something I found recently, which is a very, very weird, but interesting podcast. It is called ‘The ISIS podcast’, or “the Internet State of Iraq and Syria”.
Now, there are only three episodes to this podcast. I thought it would be a sort of mouthpiece for ISIS, the rantings of sociopaths talking about infidels, crusaders, apostates, Israelis, etc.
In fact, it was a young American interviewing members of ISIS/ISIL. Who was the American ? A guy named Jonathan Kohn. Who is he ? Well, if you remember a few years back, the right-wing were very proud that this ten-year old kid could parrot their reasons why Democrats were shitty, and Republicans were great. So they put him on their TV shows and their radio shows, and they even let him speak at CPAC, on one occaission.
Well, later on, Jonathan went to university, and came to realise he was wrong. So he became a Democrat, and an avowed Obama voter. Then he dropped off the radar for a while (as the media lost interest).

His next gig ? Hosting the Internet State of Iraq and al-Sham aka the ISIS podcast.

Very, very bizarre. But if you find it - and I’ll try to find the link - it is worthwhile listening to. Because in the first episode, they speak via Skype to an ISIS member, and it is a very different sort of interview. It is hard to imagine how the guy they talk to could be a brutal inhumane killer. He sounds like a typical young man from, I think, London or somewhere like that. But then he talks, as though it were completely normal, about “operations” (depicted in those ISIS videos) where ISIS would drive up in cars and fire AK-47s at the cars, killing all those inside. He talks about how they plan these operations, and about his gun, how much it cost, about how he burned his passport, about the government forces, etc etc.

The second and third episodes are interviews with different ISIS members. But they talk about their conflict with the FSA, and one of the members is clearly more seasoned than the others. They call him Abu Iraqi or something.

Jonathan Kohn is very direct, to the point of sounding a bit silly or impudent - but he asks this guy how and why he joined ISIS. Abu Iraqi says he studied engineering and worked at that job for a while. Then, he says, members of his tribe were killed during the Second Battle of Fallujah. He says that he became radicalised during the violence of that time, and he joined Al-Qaeda in Iraq (which later became ISIS). He talks about “Sheik Zarqawi”.

Kohn asks him what he does for ISIS - since Abu Iraqi is actually in Iraq when they talk to him - and Abu Iraqi implies that he’s a bomb-maker. But he sort of hints at it, as though it is pretty funny.

I thought about this podcast, and I wonder if the US authorities have it - because if they don’t, they ought to. I’m sure there’s something of intelligence value in there. But it is worth hearing for everyone - not just because of the weird idea of a former neo-con kid, turned mainstream Democrat young American, chatting with ISIS fighters via Skype. But also because you hear how these guys become motivated to commit violence.

Abu Iraqi, the engineer, was obviously not dumb. He doesn’t fit the pattern of the Zarqawi-type, a violent criminal with a criminal history. But he’s a violent person nonetheless, and it is the sheer concentrated violence of the Fallujah battle that seems to have affected him, and motivated him to join Zarqawi. If you look at pictures taken by Marines of the action in Fallujah, of the horrendous injuries and deaths - it is indescribably disturbing stuff, watching people get shot.

Now, obviously it is not an excuse, and I’m not saying, “the battle made this guy become an ISIS member”, but what I am saying is, radicalisation would be worth looking at. Worth studying to see how these guys become the way they are. And I really think that guys like Majeed Nawaz, who are anti-extremists and who run counter-extremist thinktanks and organisations devoted to countering radicalisation, are very important.

I don’t agree with Michael Scheuer, the former CIA analyst, on much, but his remarks on one PBS Frontline documentary about the way young Muslim men view the United States, I thought were spot on: to paraphrase, “our message is not being heard in the Muslim world. Nobody believes our propaganda, to the point where we even have it. But the poverty, exposure to brutality and violence, and to radical materials that punctuate the lives of many young Muslim men, all have an eventual impact. That impact causes these young men to believe that the United States, that the West, that Democracy is evil, is tyrannical, is corrupt and must be stopped - that it is a young man’s duty to wage war against tyrants.”

As well as the ISIS podcast, I’d definitely reccomend checking out the series of PBS Frontline documentaries on Al-Qaeda. They’re all on YouTube, just search YouTube for ‘PBS Frontline Al-Qaeda’. There are 5 or 6 of them, I think, and a few on ISIS too. The one called ‘gangs of Iraq’ depicts early ISIS members too.

453 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 11:48:05am

re: #447 dog philosopher

i think the difference between religion and other excuses for violence is that religion has a built in magical and irrational element

“almighty god has secretly told me that this holy text requires you to kill these people (even though the words dont actually say that)”

this is dangerous

The whole personality cult thing can come pretty darned close to magical/irrational also. Like the creepy Kim “dynasty” in North Korea. BBC from 2011:

Delving into North Korea’s mystical cult of personality

Every night, North Korea’s news bulletin begins with a song about the mythical qualities of the country’s leader Kim Jong-il and the mountain where he is said to have been born.

North Koreans are used to the hyperbole of their state media, with a constant stream of stories about Kim Jong-il’s economic guidance and benevolent care.

And since the death of the Dear Leader on 17 December, the media have focused their attention on a series of strange, natural phenomena being reported across the country - a giant lake of ice cracking in half, a red glow covering the mountain where their leader was born and, most recently, magpies gathering by the dozens in a single tree, in grief, according to one party official.

“We can’t dismiss it as just a natural phenomenon,” he told state television. “It shows that not only the people of the world, but the animals too, cannot forget our Dear Leader.” […]

454 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 12:00:31pm

Here’s the link.
The ISIS Show
The kid’s name was actually Jonathan Krohn (the interviewer), the neo-con ten year old, turned Democrat twenty-year old. His first interview, on this very weird podcast, is with a Syrian ISIS member called Abu Sumayyah al-Britani
It is a remarkable podcast, as a document of lowly members of a fanatic and dangerous organisation, and how these guys can sound so normal - they are not supervillains but they do terrible things, and that incongruity is jarring.

I’m not sure where the third episode is. I downloaded these three episodes on my phone, via a podcast app, so it might still be accessible that way. The first two episodes are still very worth interesting. I’ve no idea how the hell Krohn organised these interviews.

455 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 9, 2015 3:17:05pm

What I think happened is that the VB saw in Jesuisjuif v. Jesuishumain an analogy to Blacklivesmatter v. Alllivesmatter, the latter (allivesmatter) was rightly condemned (also here) as trying to “whitewash” the black identities of the recently killed black people.

I’m sure jamjam didn’t mean it like that, but I can also appreciate Babushka’s point, and the comment about “tribalism” didn’t add anything constructive to the discussion (note that Blacklivesmatter was not so condemned, it was rightly accepted).


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