NOAA State of the Climate: 2014 Was the Hottest Year on Record Globally

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Global temperature time series: land and ocean components.From 2014 Global Report Supplemental Information.

We have big news on the climate change front today from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and it’s not bad — it’s terrible: 2014 Earth’s warmest year on record; December 2014 record warm; Global oceans also record warm for 2014.

Global highlights: Calendar Year 2014

For extended analysis of global climate patterns, please see our full Annual report.

  • During 2014, the average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.24°F (0.69°C) above the 20th century average. This was the highest among all 135 years in the 1880-2014 record, surpassing the previous records of 2005 and 2010 by 0.07°F (0.04°C).
  • Record warmth was spread around the world, including Far East Russia into western Alaska, the western United States, parts of interior South America, most of Europe stretching into northern Africa, parts of eastern and western coastal Australia, much of the northeastern Pacific around the Gulf of Alaska, the central to western equatorial Pacific, large swaths of northwestern and southeastern Atlantic, most of the Norwegian Sea, and parts of the central to southern Indian Ocean.
  • During 2014, the globally-averaged land surface temperature was 1.80°F (1.00°C) above the 20th century average. This was the fourth highest among all years in the 1880-2014 record.
  • During 2014, the globally-averaged sea surface temperature was 1.03°F (0.57°C) above the 20th century average. This was the highest among all years in the 1880-2014 record, surpassing the previous records of 1998 and 2003 by 0.09°F (0.05°C).
  • Looking above Earth's surface at certain layers of the atmosphere, two different analyses examined NOAA satellite-based data records for the lower and middle troposphere and the lower stratosphere.
  • The 2014 temperature for the lower troposphere (roughly the lowest five miles of the atmosphere) was third highest in the 1979-2014 record, at 0.50°F (0.28°C) above the 1981-2010 average, as analyzed by the University of Alabama Huntsville (UAH), and sixth highest on record, at 0.29°F (0.16°C) above the 1981-2010 average, as analyzed by Remote Sensing Systems (RSS).
  • The 2014 temperature for the mid-troposphere (roughly two miles to six miles above the surface) was third highest in the 1979-2014 record, at 0.32°F (0.18°C) above the 1981-2010 average, as analyzed by UAH, and sixth highest on record, at 0.25°F (0.14°C) above the 1981-2010 average, as analyzed by RSS.
  • The temperature for the lower stratosphere (roughly 10 miles to 13 miles above the surface) was 13th lowest in the 1979-2014 record, at 0.56°F (0.31°C) below the 1981-2010 average, as analyzed by UAH, and also 13th lowest on record, at 0.41°F (0.23°C) below the 1981-2010 average, as analyzed by RSS. The stratospheric temperature is decreasing on average while the lower and middle troposphere temperatures are increasing on average, consistent with expectations in a greenhouse-warmed world.
  • According to data from NOAA analyzed by the Rutgers Global Snow Lab, the average annual Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent during 2014 was 24.95 million square miles, and near the middle of the historical record. The first half of 2014 saw generally below-normal snow cover extent, with above-average coverage later in the year.
  • Recent polar sea ice extent trends continued in 2014. The average annual sea ice extent in the Arctic was 10.99 million square miles, the sixth smallest annual value of the 36-year period of record. The annual Antarctic sea ice extent was record large for the second consecutive year, at 13.08 million square miles.

This picture of a catastrophe in the making is not even all the horrible climate news today; a new analysis of data from hundreds of sources shows that we humans are on the brink of causing a mass extinction event in the world’s oceans.

I was going to post something snarky to close this post, but this is some really scary shit, people. And we have a political party in this country doing everything in its power to stop us from dealing with it — if it isn’t already too late. This is political malfeasance on a frightening scale.

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300 comments

1 klystron  Jan 16, 2015 6:04:10pm

Of course, because one of the few areas that experienced cooler than normal temperatures for the majority of the year was centered on the continental US, with the exception of the West Coast, there’s no such thing as warming.

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2 thedopefishlives  Jan 16, 2015 6:04:45pm

Butbutbut Charles, not ALL of those figures said it was the hottest year on record, therefore NO GLOBAL WARMING!!!

3 Justanotherhuman  Jan 16, 2015 6:06:39pm

Agree totally with your conclusion, Charles.

A lot more frightening than “terrorism” will ever be to most people personally.

4 calochortus  Jan 16, 2015 6:09:51pm

re: #1 klystron

Of course, because one of the few areas that experienced cooler than normal temperatures for the majority of the year was centered on the continental US, with the exception of the West Coast, there’s no such thing as warming.

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Yeah. I’m so sick of the “but it’s cold right now at my house, so it can’t be warm anywhere else.”

5 D_Red  Jan 16, 2015 6:09:55pm

It’s pretty cold out now here in Brooklyn. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that proves conclusively that global warming is a liberal myth created so scientists could keep getting all that sweet, sweet grant money.

6 klystron  Jan 16, 2015 6:10:37pm

re: #4 calochortus

Yeah. I’m so sick of the “but it’s cold right now at my house, so it can’t be warm anywhere else.”

IT SNOWED IN ARGENTINA IN JULY, TAKE THAT LIBERALS!

7 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2015 6:11:59pm

Weep for the grand kids. This could be humanities big die back. every species cycles, boom and bust.

8 thedopefishlives  Jan 16, 2015 6:13:18pm

re: #6 klystron

IT SNOWED IN ARGENTINA IN JULY, TAKE THAT LIBERALS!

I wonder how long it’ll take anyone to actually get this.

9 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 6:13:59pm

Senator Cruz will put a stop to this!!

(The reporting, not the warming.)

10 klystron  Jan 16, 2015 6:14:12pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

I wonder how long it’ll take anyone to actually get this.

Given that it is roughly based off an actual Bryan Fisher tweet…

/sigh

11 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 6:15:42pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

I wonder how long it’ll take anyone to actually get this.

Some never will.

12 thedopefishlives  Jan 16, 2015 6:15:54pm

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

Weep for the grand kids. This could be humanity big die back. every species cycles, boom and bust.

Honestly, I’m not that concerned about it. Humanity will adapt and survive. It will not, however, be comfortable or fun. It would be much preferred if we could start doing some things now to actually prevent it from getting to that point.

13 Justanotherhuman  Jan 16, 2015 6:16:04pm

How are Global Warming and the Gulf Stream Connected?
If melting glaciers deflect warm Gulf Stream, U.S. and Europe may freeze

environment.about.com

14 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 6:17:06pm

This is when we want Sane Ludwig back.

15 unproven innocence  Jan 16, 2015 6:18:10pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

I wonder how long it’ll take anyone to actually get this.

If you give folks enough latitude…

16 thedopefishlives  Jan 16, 2015 6:19:53pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

This is when we want Sane Ludwig back.

Yeah, but he left the building long ago. Alas, poor Yorick.

17 Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2015 6:23:42pm

Well Lizards time to call it night. But this thread is an opportune time to tell you what I am working on. Starting to build a small scale solar power array using these. Decided to go with the smaller discrete panels in packs of four instead of larger higher wattage panels to minimize my loss in the case of physical damage and or electrical failure of a panel. Not looking to go off the grid, but want something that can keep cell phones, pads and similar small items charged up in the event of a long term power outage. Once I get the basics together (have 3 of the panels now, will get the 4th next payday), storage batteries and frame built I will page my initial results and ask for further advice and comments.

As always, may the deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

18 b_sharp  Jan 16, 2015 6:24:05pm

re: #5 D_Red

It’s pretty cold out now here in Brooklyn. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that proves conclusively that global warming is a liberal myth created so scientists could keep getting all that sweet, sweet grant money.

They’re all getting rich and driving expensive Volkswagen Golfs.

19 b_sharp  Jan 16, 2015 6:25:26pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

I wonder how long it’ll take anyone to actually get this.

I did run across that a couple of years ago. Their ignorance overpowered their intellect.

20 Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2015 6:28:10pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

This is when we want Sane Ludwig back.

I heard that. Sane Ludwig was a great voice for science. The other one, not so much.

21 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 6:31:04pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I heard that. Sane Ludwig was a great voice for science. The other one, not so much.

Whenever we lose contentious Lizards, I wonder if we couldn’t build great commenters from the parts.

22 lawhawk  Jan 16, 2015 6:32:32pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

We have the technology. Now, where’s that $6 million lying around… /

23 The War TARDIS  Jan 16, 2015 6:32:44pm

Had two interviews, think that went well.

But a friend I was talking to went off FB, and I lost their number. :(

24 #FergusonFireside  Jan 16, 2015 6:33:23pm

Has anyone seen Birdman?? eh??

25 unproven innocence  Jan 16, 2015 6:34:14pm

re: #17 Bubblehead II

I have a collection of about four conventional battery chargers from that same manuf. They are all dead.

26 Justanotherhuman  Jan 16, 2015 6:34:36pm

Humans Hit the Oceans Hard
Satellite imagery reveals the many ways human activities impact Earth’s oceans. Although the ocean surface is huge, only 4% remains unaffected by overfishing, pollution, run-off, chemical changes, and climate shift.

livescience.com

The next video is about 2014 being the hottest year on record.

27 A Cranky One  Jan 16, 2015 6:34:36pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Whenever we lose contentious Lizards, I wonder if we couldn’t build great commenters from the parts.

Frankenstein’s commenter?

28 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 6:35:22pm

re: #27 A Cranky One

Frankenstein’s commenter?

Abby something…

29 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 16, 2015 6:35:23pm

re: #13 Justanotherhuman

How are Global Warming and the Gulf Stream Connected?
If melting glaciers deflect warm Gulf Stream, U.S. and Europe may freeze

environment.about.com

If enough Arctic ice melts to make the Arctic ocean water too light to sink and feed the deep thermohaline circulation, no new water will be needed to replace it, and the Gulf Stream will shut down. Europe in particular will freeze, certainly agriculture will become impossible, and the deniers will crow: “See, Global Warming was a hoax!”

The Gulf Stream actually shut down for a few hours in 2004. Freaked a lot of people out.

30 #FergusonFireside  Jan 16, 2015 6:35:58pm

We need to GET A FUCKING GRIP

31 Justanotherhuman  Jan 16, 2015 6:37:01pm

Later, Lizards!

Time for some light-hearted murder again. : )

32 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2015 6:39:08pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

This population, let alone tomorrows increase is not sustainable. We passed that point where the permafrost is melting. Some of us will remember what Ludwig had to say about that as a specific turning point. I think nature is going to trim us back to a sustainable size. We won’t. Not from available evidence anyway.

I imagine the smaller population will do quite well. Still billions. I don’t think it makes me a doomsayer to say 10 or 12 or 14 billion just won’t happen.

33 Shiplord Kirel  Jan 16, 2015 6:39:44pm

False flag! The Juice and the gays are heating up the atoms-fear so they have an excuse to take our guns and Bibles and convert us to Islam!

34 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 6:41:04pm

re: #30 #FergusonFireside

We need to GET A FUCKING GRIP

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35 #FergusonFireside  Jan 16, 2015 6:44:51pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

“Our policies were not violated,” Dennis said. “There is no discipline forthcoming from the individuals who were involved with this.”

Systemic.

36 calochortus  Jan 16, 2015 6:46:55pm

Unlike Klys, I don’t have 4 hands so I can’t type and embroider at the same time. So, I’ll say goodnight and hasta mañana, Lizards. Wish me luck on a little project I’m starting.

37 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 6:46:59pm

re: #32 Rightwingconspirator

This population, let alone tomorrows increase is not sustainable. We passed that point where the permafrost is melting. Some of us will remember what Ludwig had to say about that as a specific turning point. I think nature is going to trim us back to a sustainable size. We won’t. Not from available evidence anyway.

I imagine the smaller population will do quite well. Still billions. I don’t think it makes me a doomsayer to say 10 or 12 or 14 billion just won’t happen.

Read a recent bit on some event, perhaps volcanic, that trimmed us down to about 10,000 mating couples about 70,000 years ago.

“But ah, with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present Gross National Product within say, twenty years.”

38 calochortus  Jan 16, 2015 6:48:15pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Read a recent bit on some event, perhaps volcanic, that trimmed us down to about 10,000 mating couples about 70,000 years ago.

“But ah, with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present Gross National Product within say, twenty years.”

And would those women need to be particularly attractive?

OK, really out now.

39 compound_Idaho  Jan 16, 2015 6:50:29pm

re: #17 Bubblehead II

Unless you are buying into the survivalist thing, buy a couple of good deep cycle batteries and a small generator. Solar sucks. Works the worst when you need it the most.

40 klystron  Jan 16, 2015 6:56:32pm

re: #39 compound_Idaho

Unless you are buying into the survivalist thing, buy a couple of good deep cycle batteries and a small generator. Solar sucks. Works the worst when you need it the most.

Problem with a generator is you need fuel.

A lesson many learned after Sandy.

41 klystron  Jan 16, 2015 7:01:57pm

Was reading through my Facebook stream for the first time in a while (mostly because I had to open the app on my phone to tell it that no, I don’t want 3 notifications a day asking if I know x person) and saw a comment from a high school friend also now living in Silicon Valley commenting about how she had someone walk up to her while out running errands and asked in broken Spanish how much she would charge to clean their house.

She’s got her Ph.D. in computer science and works for one of those well-known fancy-pants software companies. The woman was apparently very embarrassed when she moved the scarf and her sweatshirt became more obvious.

There are a lot of conversations we need to have as a country, and this is definitely one of them.

42 Decatur Deb  Jan 16, 2015 7:03:09pm

re: #40 klystron

Problem with a generator is you need fuel.

A lesson many learned after Sandy.

ebay.com

“And it takes off those unwanted pounds.”

43 Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2015 7:03:57pm
44 klystron  Jan 16, 2015 7:04:57pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

ebay.com

“And it takes off those unwanted pounds.”

My parents have taken steps to make sure there will be no substantial power outages in the NJ area for the next five years or so. At least until they sell the house.

All NJ Lizards are welcome.

45 b_sharp  Jan 16, 2015 7:05:03pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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You need to jazz it up some.

46 Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2015 7:05:51pm

47 compound_Idaho  Jan 16, 2015 7:14:22pm

re: #40 klystron

5 gallons of gas and a small generator will last a very very long time. Don’t try to run your computer or a big screen TV.

48 #FergusonFireside  Jan 16, 2015 7:21:21pm

America will fail when we have no power, no wifi, no connection.

Seriously, it will be a shitshow.

49 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 16, 2015 7:23:08pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

First the damned thing wouldn’t close,
And then it came down on my shoes.

50 Sionainn  Jan 16, 2015 7:31:13pm

I had a garage door opener go out on me when I was leaving for work. I got out of the car and grasped in between the panels to pull it down, never figuring it would come down so fast. I thought the ends of my fingers were going to burst open! So, there I am, fingers being crushed by the garage door and my knee wedged underneath the door, trying to figure out how to get the thing to go back up again. Learned my lesson on that one.

51 ipsos  Jan 16, 2015 7:39:05pm

My garage door never had an opener to begin with. It hasn’t functioned at all in probably 4 years. But there’s not much roof left over it anyway.

It’s sort of a garage-as-thought-experiment at this point. It keeps at least some of the snow off the car, anyway.

52 A Cranky One  Jan 16, 2015 7:39:08pm

I live in an 84 year old house with a detached garage (common for the period). Had a power outage, and so couldn’t open the garage door. No other doors on the garage, so I had to remove a window from the outside, climb in and open the door manually.

After the second time that happened, I installed a battery powered opener. Still plan to install a cable release on the outside, just in case.

Getting too old to be climbing through windows ;(

53 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 16, 2015 7:48:26pm

I’m watching “Kentucky Fried Movie” on Amazon Prime, and I don’t care what you think of me….

RBS

54 Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2015 7:49:06pm
55 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jan 16, 2015 7:50:19pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

Honestly, I’m not that concerned about it. Humanity will adapt and survive. It will not, however, be comfortable or fun. It would be much preferred if we could start doing some things now to actually prevent it from getting to that point.

I fear that many will suffer and die before we adapt. I’m concerned about that.

56 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 16, 2015 7:58:36pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Thanks to the air-headed anti-vaccination movement, Los Angeles is having its first measles outbreak in decades. Thanks, Jenny McCarthy.

“And a bimbo shall rule them all…”

57 Belafon  Jan 16, 2015 7:59:19pm

re: #52 A Cranky One

If you lived in my area, I would recommend my dad and brother to make a door for you.

58 A Cranky One  Jan 16, 2015 8:07:45pm

re: #57 Belafon

If you lived in my area, I would recommend my dad and brother to make a door for you.

Appreciate the thought. Toyed with the idea, but the outside is old stucco, which is incredibly hard. Ran electrical out the side to power a fountain and even with a high quality masonry bit and hammer/drill it took forever to drill a hole through the wall.

Tried using one of those nailers that use 22 blanks to drive a nail to hang a planter. Nails just bounced off. Tough stuff. After that, I abandoned the idea of trying to make even bigger holes!

59 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 8:17:56pm
60 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 8:18:37pm
61 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 16, 2015 8:19:27pm

re: #60 Kragar

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Has either one done anything of note in the last many years?

RBS

62 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 8:20:13pm

re: #61 RealityBasedSteve

Has either one done anything of note in the last many years?

RBS

Manson was on Sons of Anarchy I believe.

63 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 16, 2015 8:22:24pm

re: #62 Kragar

Manson was on Sons of Anarchy I believe.

He was…. so he’s got that working for him.

Manson 1 —- Cage 0
RBS

64 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 16, 2015 8:30:08pm

re: #62 Kragar

Manson was on Sons of Anarchy I believe.

So, one of them can act.

65 A Cranky One  Jan 16, 2015 8:31:11pm

re: #64 Higgs Boson’s Mate

So, one of them can act.

But not for long if he’s turning into Cage.

66 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 8:32:45pm
67 Belafon  Jan 16, 2015 8:35:15pm

re: #66 Kragar

He plans on getting all millionaires out of poverty.

68 Whack-A-Mole  Jan 16, 2015 8:38:24pm

re: #59 Kragar

Nice. Would prefer a turn based game to an RTS but if they can it pull off I’m in.

69 teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2015 8:47:31pm

As a skier this global warming shit scares me. Seeing what’s happening with California’s snowpack, I can only wonder with a profound sense of sadness what’s going to happen to skiing as a sport when global warming is exacerbated.

70 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 8:50:47pm

re: #68 Whack-A-Mole

Nice. Would prefer a turn based game to an RTS but if they can it pull off I’m in.

Kind of hoping it plays like the Homeworld series

71 De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2015 8:57:14pm
72 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 16, 2015 9:00:03pm

Is it me, or has UpChuck been remarkably quiet lately?

73 teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2015 9:01:20pm
74 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 9:03:53pm

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Is it me, or has UpChuck been remarkably quiet lately?

He just RTd this

75 De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2015 9:06:56pm
76 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 16, 2015 9:09:00pm

re: #75 De Kolta Chair

@ CowherdJohnsons, you mean

77 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 16, 2015 9:10:20pm

Well, now that upChuck has come up and seen his shadow, that means 6 more weeks of derp.

With that, I’ll leave you with Flogging Molly Live at the Greek. I saw them a few years ago at a smallish club venue in Nashville. Best.Show.Ever.

RBS

78 De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2015 9:12:50pm
How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!!!
79 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 16, 2015 9:47:57pm

re: #59 Kragar

Wonderful eye candy.

80 Viscous Obama  Jan 16, 2015 9:59:30pm

re: #78 De Kolta Chair

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Is there anything Mitt Romney can’t do?

81 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 10:00:49pm

re: #79 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Wonderful eye candy.

I am hopeful, but will wait on the demos

82 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 16, 2015 10:09:58pm

re: #81 Kragar

I am hopeful, but will wait on the demos

Me, too. I Gurgled “Battlefleet Gothic” and found that it had originally been a tabletop game. The equipage is now sold on Ebay. For the price of the base game and enough ships for a reasonable fleet you could buy the PC version and a new PC on which to play it.

83 A Cranky One  Jan 16, 2015 10:34:47pm

re: #77 RealityBasedSteve

Nice! Wasn’t familiar with them before. I’ll have to check them out.

84 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 10:40:43pm

re: #82 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Me, too. I Gurgled “Battlefleet Gothic” and found that it had originally been a tabletop game. The equipage is now sold on Ebay. For the price of the base game and enough ships for a reasonable fleet you could buy the PC version and a new PC on which to play it.

It was one of their niche games

85 goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2015 10:50:31pm

re: #84 Kragar

It was one of their niche games

Y’know, a Gorkamorka game based on the Borderlands 2 engine probably wouldn’t cost much to produce and would sell like a motherfucker. This seems like such a no-brainer to me.

86 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 10:53:12pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Y’know, a Gorkamorka game based on the Borderlands 2 engine probably wouldn’t cost much to produce and would sell like a motherfucker. This seems like such a no-brainer to me.

I could see that. Necromunda would also be a good fit for that.

87 teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2015 11:13:42pm

My youngest sister should read the comments of this blog. She’s a huge gamer. I’m sure she could follow along with the last few comments. Her (padlocked) Twitter account: @FeroniaFTW

Me? I have no idea what the fuck y’all are talking about. Is it snowing yet?

88 Whack-A-Mole  Jan 16, 2015 11:17:27pm

re: #84 Kragar

I would still love to see a good epic scale game. Final Liberation was fun but definitely could use a good update.

89 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 11:22:07pm

re: #88 Whack-A-Mole

I would still love to see a good epic scale game. Final Liberation was fun but definitely could use a good update.

90 goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2015 11:33:57pm

Gay conservatives on Twitter fighting against marriage equality. We live in a magical time to experience such rare, magical creatures walking among us.

91 teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2015 11:39:21pm

I find it a great irony that FIS ski racing cannot occur if there is too much fresh snow. They hate it when it snows, even though the racers ski on snow. I dunno.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 16, 2015 11:49:28pm

All I know is we have a ski race somewhere around here today and it has my hotel full. Good practice for Birkebiner weekend I suppose… ;)

93 Kragar  Jan 16, 2015 11:59:29pm
94 Kragar  Jan 17, 2015 12:01:30am
95 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 12:03:30am

re: #94 Kragar

There is no point in arguing with an automaton. He’ll just say: “Well, sodomy was forbidden for straight ppl too!”

96 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 12:06:49am

It’s like: “Sure, this [fictitious for the sake of analogy -SR] law said that everyone with non-white skin couldn’t vote, but Michael Jackson could and if a white person painted themselves black, they couldn’t. So it’s all fair, no discrimination, lalala.”

97 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 12:07:35am

re: #95 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

There is no point in arguing with an automaton. He’ll just say: “Well, sodomy was forbidden for straight ppl too!”

Did I call it or did I call it?

98 goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2015 12:09:51am

Wow. Just how fucking damaged is this guy?

99 Kragar  Jan 17, 2015 12:11:17am

re: #97 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Did I call it or did I call it?

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Yeah, I’m done with shit for brains

100 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 12:12:37am

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Conservatarians, eh.

101 Kragar  Jan 17, 2015 12:13:38am

“Point out one time the were denied their rights.”

“You mean like the could be arrested and convicted for existing?”

“THEY COULD STILL BUY A GUN!”

102 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jan 17, 2015 12:13:58am

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Now that’s just silly. Ex-gay therapy is banned for both gay and straight teenagers.

//

103 Kragar  Jan 17, 2015 12:14:29am
104 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 12:19:03am

I think a conservative named Chad Felix Greene should be stripped of all rights.

Don’t worry though, it’s not discrimination: every Peter, Paul and Mary should fall under this law, be they liberal or conservative, as long as they are a conservative named Chad Felix Greene.

105 goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2015 12:36:57am
106 Charles Johnson  Jan 17, 2015 12:48:52am
107 goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2015 1:28:58am

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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I’ve got a nine part reply to that, which I’m fairly sure will be totally ignored. Anyway, for whatever it’s worth I managed to get him on record defending that insanity to one of the named experts that he willfully dismissed and refused to even mention he’d consulted in the story. Two if you count Langdale who worked as an image analyst for the USAF. I know Ladd is a severe conservative, to put it politely, and that he wants to cut CCJ as much slack as possible, but at least on this issue he should be commended for not going along with the equivalent of 1+1=3.

That may be a low hurdle to clear, but I’ll take what I can get right now.

108 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 17, 2015 1:34:35am

re: #106 Charles Johnson

That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it!

We are not surprised, despite Prince Andrew admitting to the snapshot being real.

109 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 17, 2015 1:40:13am

From just 6 days ago:

EXCLUSIVE: #PrinceAndrew admits to meeting #VirginiaRoberts, but we know better gotnwes.wheatdogg.com

110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 2:18:03am

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I googled and googled, but couldn’t find the admission that the photo was real. While failure to deny may speak louder than words, it’s not the same as an explicit admission.

111 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 17, 2015 2:24:49am

re: #110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I googled and googled, but couldn’t find the admission that the photo was real. While failure to deny may speak louder than words, it’s not the same as an explicit admission.

Andrew admitted to meeting Roberts, which suggests that the photo of the two of them is real, and not faked, as CCJ still insists.

GDF has pretty much nailed him on the “forensic evidence,” and Andrews has said he met Roberts briefly, so in my book that strongly suggests the photo is authentic. Besides, The Daily Mail may not be the world’s most trustworthy news source, but I figure they wouldn’t shell out real money for a fake photo.

112 Bubblehead II  Jan 17, 2015 2:28:46am

re: #25 unproven innocence

I have a collection of about four conventional battery chargers from that same manuf. They are all dead.

Thanks for the heads up on this manufacture. Hopefully I will have better luck.

And morning Lizards.

113 goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2015 2:31:31am

re: #110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I googled and googled, but couldn’t find the admission that the photo was real. While failure to deny may speak louder than words, it’s not the same as an explicit admission.

This is the best I could find:

Although the prince was quick to insist at the time that there was nothing to the photo, and that he had met Virginia only momentarily, the association with Epstein was sufficiently embarrassing that he promptly resigned as Special Trade Representative, and has struggled to define an official role for himself since, although he is still said by the Palace to be devoted to furthering Britain’s business interests.

I can’t find his verbatim response, but it seems clear at the time he had the opportunity to challenge the authenticity of the photo and instead chose to say that he had in fact met Roberts, but only briefly. His tack seems to have been downplaying the importance of the picture, not validity of the image itself. The way the article is worded one could I guess still wonder if the meeting he was referring to wasn’t when the photo was taken but that he chose to admit to meeting her and not identify the photo as a fake for mysterious and unstated reasons. This seems highly implausible to me, but yes technically possible.

114 goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2015 2:40:55am

re: #111 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Andrew admitted to meeting Roberts, which suggests that the photo of the two of them is real, and not faked, as CCJ still insists.

GDF has pretty much nailed him on the “forensic evidence,” and Andrews has said he met Roberts briefly, so in my book that strongly suggests the photo is authentic. Besides, The Daily Mail may not be the world’s most trustworthy news source, but I figure they wouldn’t shell out real money for a fake photo.

I’m not even taking a position on the actual validity of the photograph itself. There really isn’t enough information in any of the one’s I’ve seen to make a definitive statement of fact. I will say there are no obvious red flags in it to make me suspicious, but this is different than insisting it’s real.

My criticism of CCJ’s analysis is restricted to the sheer impossibility of what he describes his unnamed expert as finding. Jpegs and all other raster file formats never work that way, ever in my experience. As far as I’m aware they actually can’t, it goes against what I consider to be the fundamental definition of the genre. If they could do what his expert claims it would present enormous mathematical and programming difficulties with no conceivable benefit.

115 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 2:41:17am

re: #111 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Andrew admitted to meeting Roberts, which suggests that the photo of the two of them is real, and not faked, as CCJ still insists.

I have no beef with the photo being authentic. I didn’t seriously doubt it in the first place. I do have a beef with the claim that he admitted that it is, for he apparently didn’t. And for that matter, neither can I find any non-third-hand sources confirming that he has admitted meeting Roberts. And once again, the failure to deny in this case has almost the force of a direct admission, but the question is, has there been any direct admission in the first place. IOW it’s not about the conclusions, but about how we arrive at them.

116 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 2:43:35am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Yes, this was my very first source, because wheatgazi links to it. I couldn’t find an admission in 2011 sources, so this is not good enough, considering how reporters sometimes twist vague claims into what they want to hear.

117 Bubblehead II  Jan 17, 2015 2:52:51am

re: #39 compound_Idaho

Unless you are buying into the survivalist thing, buy a couple of good deep cycle batteries and a small generator. Solar sucks. Works the worst when you need it the most.

Have a 3.25KW generator complete with USFS approved spark arresting muffler. They have their uses. They also have their drawbacks. The first in my book is they are noisy. Some camp grounds either out right ban them or limit their hours of operation because of this. The second is fuel. Even if you add a stabiliant to it, you still have to rotate your supply and either drain the tank after each use or run it dry. Again, I am not trying to go off the grid here. Just want something that can keep portable electronic devices charged up with a minimum of fuss and still be easily portable.

118 goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2015 2:54:05am

Again, third person, but validates the idea the photo was at least being treated as real when it came out:

Last month a photograph emerged of Prince Andrew with his arm around a young woman called Virginia Roberts while she was employed by Epstein as a masseuse. She alleges that Epstein sexually exploited her while she was a teenage minor.

Rugby and Oxford-educated Ms Ashkenazi, 31, who lives in a £28million house in Holland Park, west London, said: “I told Andrew not to worry, that he’d done nothing wrong and that it was being blown out of proportion. Of course, he knows it was unwise to fraternise with this Epstein character and it was silly to be photographed with his arm around Epstein’s masseuse.

“But I know Andrew as a lovely, lovely man - kind-hearted, impeccably behaved and honourable. I’m quite sure at the time he had no idea that she was underage or anything more than a masseuse to Epstein.”

119 Bubblehead II  Jan 17, 2015 2:54:27am

re: #40 klystron

Problem with a generator is you need fuel.

A lesson many learned after Sandy.

DING! DING! DING! Not to mention shelf life and associated hazards of storing large amounts of it.

120 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 2:58:46am

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

This is actually much better. Not “quite” there, but neither a reporter paraphrasing something from three years ago. Now I don’t have a serious doubt that he admitted it in private.

121 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 3:05:37am

Speaking of which, to date I haven’t seen any evidence that Roberts was untruthful. She may be, about some particulars, but curiously not one particular allegation seems to have been debunked yet (Derschowitz’s official response not quite cutting it, given that he mischaracterized her claims in order to debunk them).

122 goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2015 3:07:52am

re: #119 Bubblehead II

DING! DING! DING! Not to mention shelf life and associated hazards of storing large amounts of it.

Also, generators make a lot of noise. One might think that matters less for certain uses like an emergency, but an emergency is often when people’s nerves are already frayed and maintaining a calm environment can be really important.

123 Bubblehead II  Jan 17, 2015 3:14:42am

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Also, generators make a lot of noise. One might think that matters less for certain uses like an emergency, but an emergency is often when people’s nerves are already frayed and maintaining a calm environment can be really important.

I mentioned that in my #117. Some camp grounds either ban or limit hours of operation because of it. And yes, during an emergency situation it may be in your best interest NOT to draw attention to yourself by running a loud generator. CI does have a good point about a small (1kw or less) generator used only to charge a couple of deep cycle batteries though.

124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 3:18:42am

OJ’s lawyer decries the Kafkaesque American justice. Heh.

wsj.com

Also, unblemished personal record? Putting the plagiarism issue aside, when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. If your best friend is a child molester…

125 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 17, 2015 3:22:07am

re: #121 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Speaking of which, to date I haven’t seen any evidence that Roberts was untruthful. She may be, about some particulars, but curiously not one particular allegation seems to have been debunked yet (Derschowitz’s official response not quite cutting it, given that he mischaracterized her claims in order to debunk them).

Since the FBI is taking her seriously enough to reopen the Epstein case, I’d say at least some of what she’s saying is credible. Whether she’s telling the truth about sex with Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton is impossible to say.

126 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 17, 2015 3:25:06am

re: #124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

OJ’s lawyer decries the Kafkaesque American justice. Heh.

wsj.com

Also, unblemished personal record? Putting the plagiarism issue aside, when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. If your best friend is a child molester…

Dershowitz is going on the offensive, it seems, to deflect possible repercussions from the accusations. In fact, he’s being so aggressive in denying those accusations that I suggest his tactics will backfire.

127 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 3:26:03am

re: #124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Meanwhile he is not careful with his claims about others:

“[Carter] recommended to Yasser Arafat that Yasser Arafat turn down the deal that … would have resulted in the Palestinian state,” Dershowitz said. “He has blood of thousands of Jews and Palestinians on his hands. He should just stop talking about the Middle East.

128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 3:32:46am
Dershowitz may be guilty of none of the wrongdoing of which he is accused. If so, his indignation is righteous, and his eventual vindication will be a victory for the justice system as a whole, not only for Dershowitz personally. Nevertheless, observers should not mistake his insistence on his innocence with a suggestion that Dershowitz was completely blindsided by the accusations of the last few weeks. In defending himself against the latest accusations, he should not leave out this important context.

abovethelaw.com

129 freetoken  Jan 17, 2015 3:57:52am
130 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 4:02:07am

re: #123 Bubblehead II

I mentioned that in my #117. Some camp grounds either ban or limit hours of operation because of it. And yes, during an emergency situation it may be in your best interest NOT to draw attention to yourself by running a loud generator. CI does have a good point about a small (1kw or less) generator used only to charge a couple of deep cycle batteries though.

Everyone has a small generator in their driveway. A car will easily charge mobile electronics and an inexpensive inverter will even put out light loads of 110v. My old hobby truck was designed to power tactical radios, and it has a bit more—90 watts at 24v.

That’s not an efficient source, but it is in place, unobtrusive, proven tech, and cheap.

131 Bubblehead II  Jan 17, 2015 4:13:16am

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Everyone has a small generator in their driveway. A car will easily charge mobile electronics and an inexpensive inverter will even put out light loads of 110v. My old hobby truck was designed to power tactical radios, and it has a bit more—90 watts at 24v.

That’s not an efficient source, but it is in place, proven tech, and cheap.

Again. Another good point and one I have also taken into consideration. I guess what I am really trying to do is diversify my power options so I can get away from being reliant on fossil fuels. Hell, I would even consider a hydro rig if I had access to a reliable water source. :-)

BTW, if you properly adj the field voltage on a alternator, you can get 120 VDC.

But now I need to head out the door to work. See you Lizards tonight.

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 17, 2015 4:13:44am

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Everyone has a small generator in their driveway. A car will easily charge mobile electronics and an inexpensive inverter will even put out light loads of 110v. My old hobby truck was designed to power tactical radios, and it has a bit more—90 watts at 24v.

That’s not an efficient source, but it is in place, unobtrusive, proven tech, and cheap.

My cigarette lighter plug inverter is the key to sanity on long road trips with the boy. Keeps his DS running :)

133 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 4:21:06am

re: #132 William Barnett-Lewis

My cigarette lighter plug inverter is the key to sanity on long road trips with the boy. Keeps his DS running :)

Always craved one of these, “Just because I can”. Don’t have a real mission for it though.

Combat Crock Pot
ebay.com

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 17, 2015 4:51:02am

re: #80 Viscous Obama

Is there anything Mitt Romney can’t do?

Win the Presidency?

135 Shiplord Kirel  Jan 17, 2015 4:52:29am

The right wing wants us to think this is all an elaborate hoax concocted by Al Gore and various academic weasels to get control of assets they didn’t create. Actually, this has been an issue in scientific circles since the 19th century.

This passage is fromThe World We Live In a coffee table size book published by Life magazine in 1955 and based on a series of science articles published in Life between 1952 and 1954:

Yet for the past century, temperatures have shown an upward trend. This has been particularly true in the last four decades (since 1915- SK), during which glaciers have been in retreat all around the world. The reasons for this gradual warming of the Earth cannot be defined with certainty. Along with water vapor and ozone, carbon dioxide helps to trap the Earth’s heat within the greenhouse of the atmosphere and prevents it from radiating away into space. In the last half century, the carbon dioxide ratio in the atmosphere has increased by 10%, a phenomenon which some attribute to expanding industry, pointing out that six billion tons of carbon dioxide pour from factory chimneys every year. (Emphasis added)

The article also speculates about other possible causes including deforestation and the disturbance of the soil. It wasn’t settled then, but it is now. The current consensus was not reached lightly and certainly not in haste.

136 Aye Pod  Jan 17, 2015 5:13:43am
During 2014, the average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.24°F (0.69°C) above the 20th century average. This was the highest among all 135 years in the 1880-2014 record, surpassing the previous records of 2005 and 2010 by 0.07°F (0.04°C).

Wingnuts are like “0.07F? That’s NOTHING! And anyway, it’s a LIE!”

They will not be convinced; it’s all about denying reality, like most of their politics.

137 lawhawk  Jan 17, 2015 5:45:55am

re: #136 Aye Pod

And something like 9 of the 10 hottest years on record in the JMA, NOAA, and NASA datasets all occurred after 2000. And the short term and long term trends both show warming that is undeniable except for those that attempt to cherry pick based on the previous warmest year on record (which was surpassed by this past year).

By cherry picking the start date, the denialists were claiming that there was a pause, even though we haven’t seen a colder than average year globally in…. decades.

The statistical evidence is overwhelming that global warming is occurring and that human actions are a part of the reason why. Yet, the denialists are still holding to their nonsensical claims.

More importantly, the GOP is pushing this dangerous nonsense because they’ve tied global warming to Obama and Democrats. The GOP furthers their own agenda by undermining education across the nation (thwarting common core isn’t the only problem - actively pushing anti-science agenda by trying to inflict religious belief in science classrooms is perhaps more dangerous). And with GOPers thoroughly indoctrinated on anti-science, they’re in positions of power to undermine science funding and actively interfering on basic research (as with their proposals to demand oversight and politicize the NSF). The GOP is opposed to basic research even though many advancements in science are the result of basic research where the outcomes aren’t necessarily known in advance. Knowledge for knowledge sake is apparently verbotten to the GOP.

138 Maggie's Pa  Jan 17, 2015 5:51:43am

Inverter generators are the way to go. Very quiet.

139 PhillyPretzel  Jan 17, 2015 6:00:38am

re: #138 Maggie’s Pa

Also keep in mind solar energy storage batteries. This company makes some pretty good ones. goalzero.com

140 Maggie's Pa  Jan 17, 2015 6:06:12am

re: #139 PhillyPretzel

That being said, I can think of two times in my life the power was out for more than 24 hours. Once was in the summer and once in the fall. Certainly survivable, albeit you may actually have to interact with a human to pass the time, maybe play monopoly, or shuffle an actual deck of cards, the horror!

141 Aye Pod  Jan 17, 2015 6:09:55am

re: #137 lawhawk

More importantly, the GOP is pushing this dangerous nonsense because they’ve tied global warming to Obama and Democrats.

Definitely. For them to admit they were wrong on this would be, for them, like accepting a big sloppy french kiss from the President, while Al Gore played with their balls. They’re locked in, and it’s going to hurt them more and more and is another thing that will contribute to their steady decline, IMO.

142 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 6:16:14am

re: #138 Maggie’s Pa

Inverter generators are the way to go. Very quiet.

The hipest approach—a wood fired campstove that incorporates a thermocouple usb charger:

biolitestove.com

143 darthstar  Jan 17, 2015 6:47:14am

Good morning…at least I think it’s morning.

144 BigPapa  Jan 17, 2015 6:50:23am

re: #141 Aye Pod

Definitely. For them to admit they were wrong on this would be, for them, like accepting a big sloppy french kiss from the President, while Al Gore played with their balls.

BALLSGHAZI

145 Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2015 6:56:52am
146 Aye Pod  Jan 17, 2015 6:57:15am

re: #143 darthstar

Good morning…at least I think it’s morning.

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That’s awesome. I see they’ve made great progress on that smog problem as well ;-)

147 darthstar  Jan 17, 2015 6:59:11am

re: #146 Aye Pod

That’s awesome. I see they’ve made great progress on that smog problem as well ;-)

They just need to host the Olympics more often - that clears up the sky PDQ!

148 darthstar  Jan 17, 2015 7:02:03am

The fight is entertaining, but the make up sex between these two companies scares the shit out of me.
mashable.com (tweet link sucks)

149 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 17, 2015 7:13:04am

I’ve got this whole alt power supply thing nailed. I’m going to run a generator off an electric motor powered by a bank of deep cycle batteries. All the excess power that gets created will go back into the batteries. I’m going to call it the “wingnut generator”, because just like cutting taxes to increase revenues, I want it to be true, so it must be.

RBS

150 Dr. Matt  Jan 17, 2015 7:18:30am

Todd is Klassy as ever….

151 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 7:21:52am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

He’s a Nazi.

152 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 7:25:44am

re: #151 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

He’s a Nazi.

Got to be involved in some silly GOP fratboy beer bet. No one who can write a complete sentence is that stupid.

153 lawhawk  Jan 17, 2015 7:26:47am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

Todd is Klassy as ever….

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KKKlassy. You were missing a couple of Ks there.

He’s promoting ethnic cleansing and genocide. Full stop. That’s exactly what he’s proposing. No sarcasm. No irony.

And he’s a voice of the right wing.

154 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 7:29:22am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Got to be involved in some silly GOP fratboy beer bet. No one who can write a complete sentence is that stupid.

What the collective TPGOP thinks, Todd says.

155 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 7:31:40am

re: #154 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What the collective TPGOP thinks, Todd says.

It would be deplorable if some member of the American Indian Movement went all pope-y on his free-speech ass. I would make a point to deplore it.

156 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 7:33:44am

re: #153 lawhawk

KKKlassy. You were missing a couple of Ks there.

He’s promoting ethnic cleansing and genocide. Full stop. That’s exactly what he’s proposing. No sarcasm. No irony.

And he’s a voice of the right wing.

Inciting murder, straight hate speech. Maybe he should start a graphic satire magazine.
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157 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 7:35:30am

re: #156 Rightwingconspirator

Inciting murder, straight hate speech. Maybe he should start a graphic satire magazine.
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In most of Europe he would’ve been at least investigated. And as far as I’m concerned, this would be compatible with free speech. (Not with “absolute free speech”, but that unicorn doesn’t exist).

158 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 7:36:08am

re: #156 Rightwingconspirator

Inciting murder, straight hate speech. Maybe he should start a graphic satire magazine.
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The market is taken:

Image: Kkk-donald-cartoon.jpg

(warning: cartoon lynching)

159 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 7:37:11am

re: #157 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In most of Europe he would’ve been at least investigated for this. And I find this to be compatible with free speech. (Not with “absolute free speech”, but that unicorn doesn’t exist).

Check for typo.

160 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 7:38:38am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Which one?

161 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 7:39:13am

re: #160 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Which one?

Compatible?

162 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 7:40:47am

re: #157 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

With free speech, like other rights, comes a measure of responsibility. That statement is about as irresponsible as it gets.

163 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 7:40:48am

re: #161 Decatur Deb

The fact that he would’ve been investigated.

164 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 7:42:26am

re: #163 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The fact that he would’ve been investigated.

Ah. The “this” is ambiguous. I read it to mean Kincannon’s statement, not the investigation.

165 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 7:44:02am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

I think the last sentence makes it clear, but I rewrote it a bit.

166 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 7:46:34am

re: #165 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Yes. The misread was contradictory to the last sentence.

167 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 7:49:07am
Arctic sea ice is melting rapidly, and within the next decade the effects of global warming may transform the Polar region from an inaccessible frozen desert into a seasonally navigable ocean. The summer of 2011 saw a record 33 ships, carrying 850,000 tons of cargo navigate the Northern Sea Route (NSR) off Russia’s northern coast. This year’s shipping season may see up to 1.5 million tons of cargo, as Germany’s Alfred Wegener Institute predicts the NSR to be ice-free and passable for ships by early summer.

The North West Passage (NWP), first ice-free in 2007, and the Transpolar Sea Route (TSR) may also open up to shipping traffic over the coming decades. An in-depth assessment of the viability of shipping along the TSR will be published in the upcoming Arctic Yearbook 2012, which will be available from the Northern Research Forum’s website from October 2012. The development of Arctic offshore hydrocarbon resources and related economic activities will also improve the integration of the Arctic economy in global trade patterns. Multi-year ice and the limited seasonal window for trans-Arctic voyages however, will for the foreseeable future remain formidable obstacles to the development of Arctic shipping and its economic viability. Trans-Arctic shipping routes will thus not serve as a substitute for existing shipping lanes, but will instead provide new and additional capacity for a growing transportation volume.

168 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 7:53:38am

Governor Palin Shines Light on Russia’s Arctic War Games

from Conservatives for Palin 2012

Conservatives are well aware of climate change. Until they can find a way to profit from it with trade or war, they won’t let on.

One thing for sure, they sure don’t want to spend any money (taxpayer or otherwise) for any other reasons.

169 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 7:54:55am

Inequality and the Putin Economy: Inside the Numbers

111 people control 19 percent of all household wealth in Russia
If there is one statistic that underscores the depth of wealth inequality in Russia, it may be that an estimated 111 billionaires control nearly a fifth of all household wealth in the country. That’s according to the 2014 Credit Suisse analysis, which found that those in the top 10 percent of the population control a staggering 85 percent of wealth in Russia.

170 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 7:55:05am

Ok, how is it now?

171 Varek Raith  Jan 17, 2015 8:16:33am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

Ok, how is it now?

Two thumbs up.

172 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 8:34:14am
173 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 8:35:18am

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

As RNC Gathers, More Prominent GOP Members In Bed With Extremists

from the comments:

Not every Republican is racist, but every racist that I personally know votes Republican.

174 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 8:36:50am

Md. Woman Pleads Guilty in Exorcism Murder of 2 Toddlers

I really can’t stand this shit.

Seriously considering a total immersion in to Sci-Fi for the forseeable future.

If you don’t see you, you will know where I am.

175 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 8:37:51am

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

from the comments:
Not every Republican is racist, but every racist that I personally know votes Republican.

Commenter doesn’t know the bad ones—they won’t vote, even for Republicans.

176 ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2015 8:40:23am

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

Governor Palin Shines Light on Russia’s Arctic War Games

from Conservatives for Palin 2012

Conservatives are well aware of climate change. Until they can find a way to profit from it with trade or war, they won’t let on.

One thing for sure, they sure don’t want to spend any money (taxpayer or otherwise) for any other reasons.

It looks like they can claim future profits if they can open new shipping lanes in the arctic as discussed in the article in your #167. And more oil in the now open arctic seas. See another benefit…just like we can grow more plants because of co2!

This climate change just needs to be looked at as new business opportunities instead of liberals always getting scared about stuff.

JOBS! There is gold in climate change.

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177 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 8:40:41am

Later this year I again oversee an invitational demonstration day at the gold refinery, in which we always attempt to record well if on a tiny budget of a few hundred bucks. In 2013 we used the event to make this 10 minute video showing gold refining.

I got some great news from my boss about this year. This time we will publish a full up documentary about the whole day which has three big demos. So we step up to a rented 4k Sony TV production camera that can be run by one person. And it takes those very good lenses that are built for cinema rather than a still camera. It’s an exciting step up from shooting DSLR digital and separate sound recording.

Not that hardly anyone could view it in 4k anytime soon, but I got a good look at 1080 footage that was shot in 4k. Oh my goodness, talk about tack sharp and then eleven stops of bright to shadow exposure range. Film has about four stops of range. Most cell phone cams have less than that. That means I finally won’t lose so much in the shadows unless I want to. Gets me off the hook for about half the lighting I would have added this year. If you look at the linked video you will see the problem I faced then at about 3:30 and at 8:00.

I can see the reason to get or use a good 4k camera now for superior HD. Laughably that sets up a situation where when 4k is the common resolution, the race will be on for the best 8k to put out in extra sharp and clean 4k. That biz is not for the faint of heart or wallet.

178 Dr. Matt  Jan 17, 2015 8:43:21am
179 Varek Raith  Jan 17, 2015 8:44:12am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

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He mad.

180 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 8:45:55am

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

Later this year I again oversee an invitational demonstration day at the gold refinery, in which we always attempt to record well if on a tiny budget of a few hundred bucks. In 2013 we used the event to make this 10 minute video showing gold refining.

I got some great news from my boss about this year. This time we will publish a full up documentary about the whole day which has three big demos. So we step up to a rented 4k Sony TV production camera that can be run by one person. And it takes those very good lenses that are built for cinema rather than a still camera. It’s an exciting step up from shooting DSLR digital and separate sound recording.

Not that hardly anyone could view it in 4k anytime soon, but I got a good look at 1080 footage that was shot in 4k. Oh my goodness, talk about tack sharp and then eleven stops of bright to shadow exposure range. Film has about four stops of range. Most cell phone cams have less than that. That means I finally won’t lose so much in the shadows unless I want to. Gets me off the hook for about half the lighting I would have added this year. If you look at the linked video you will see the problem I faced then at about 3:30 and at 8:00.

I can see the reason to get or use a good 4k camera now for superior HD. Laughably that sets up a situation where when 4k is the common resolution, the race will be on for the best 8k to put out in extra sharp and clean 4k. That biz is not for the faint of heart or wallet.

A few nights ago, we discussed digital signal quality and the limits of human hearing. Somewhere, we’ll hit the HD level that returns nothing much, or seems ‘off’.

My eyes were Panatomic once, now they’re Tri-X.

181 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 8:46:06am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

They’re both utter assholes. Unfortunately, the Pope has more influence.

182 Dr. Matt  Jan 17, 2015 8:47:28am

re: #179 Varek Raith

He mad.

Bill Maher is the sort of librul that would sit home during mid-term elections because Obama didn’t buy him a pony.

183 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 8:48:57am
184 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 8:49:36am

re: #176 ObserverArt

It looks like they can claim future profits if they can open new shipping lanes in the arctic as discussed in the article in your #167. And more oil in the now open arctic seas. See another benefit…just like we can grow more plants because of co2!

This climate change just needs to be looked at as new business opportunities instead of liberals always getting scared about stuff.

JOBS! There is gold in climate change.

///

I posted a bit on this a while back. IIRC, Koch bros have already secured their rights in this regard.

185 Dr. Matt  Jan 17, 2015 8:52:11am
186 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 17, 2015 8:53:35am

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

from the comments:

If they tried to kick the extremists out, they would become a minority party.

187 Mattand  Jan 17, 2015 8:56:53am

re: #182 Dr. Matt

Bill Maher is the sort of librul that would sit home during mid-term elections because Obama didn’t buy him a pony.

Rand Paul may get Bill Maher’s vote

The article has to be read to be believed. Even then, you might think you’re hallucinating due to an unknown gas leak in the house.

Maher has spent the better part of six years literally describing Republicans as the party in the corner playing with its own shit (that’s where I borrowed/stole that from).

Yet, he feels that a representative of that party, who has done nothing but encourage the rank-and-files’ ignorance, would make the perfect President. Because Hillary Clinton is a bad liberal or some idiocy.

I’ll listen to his show via podcast until he does something really ignorant (anti-vax; most Muslims support terror) and then I walk away. This time, though, I think I’m done for good.

I’m beginning to think the combination of constant pot smoking and whatever batshit diet he consumes is finally got to him.

188 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 8:58:33am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

A few nights ago, we discussed digital signal quality and the limits of human hearing. Somewhere, we’ll hit the HD level that returns nothing much, or seems ‘off’.

My eyes were Panatomic once, now they’re Tri-X.

I saw that conversation. Over mah head. Tri-X is the best film ever. It taught me everything photographic as a very young guy.

My guess is that human optic “resolution” is still way higher. 8k? 12k? Of course like the audio discussion this has dimensions, resolution is just one measure. Some in production Hollywood think the passive theater screen is going to go away. Think 8k curved jumbotron and atmos audio. Keep that theater experience bigger and better than home.

189 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 8:58:52am

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

Later this year I again oversee an invitational demonstration day at the gold refinery, in which we always attempt to record well if on a tiny budget of a few hundred bucks. In 2013 we used the event to make this 10 minute video showing gold refining.

I got some great news from my boss about this year. This time we will publish a full up documentary about the whole day which has three big demos. So we step up to a rented 4k Sony TV production camera that can be run by one person. And it takes those very good lenses that are built for cinema rather than a still camera. It’s an exciting step up from shooting DSLR digital and separate sound recording.

Not that hardly anyone could view it in 4k anytime soon, but I got a good look at 1080 footage that was shot in 4k. Oh my goodness, talk about tack sharp and then eleven stops of bright to shadow exposure range. Film has about four stops of range. Most cell phone cams have less than that. That means I finally won’t lose so much in the shadows unless I want to. Gets me off the hook for about half the lighting I would have added this year. If you look at the linked video you will see the problem I faced then at about 3:30 and at 8:00.

I can see the reason to get or use a good 4k camera now for superior HD. Laughably that sets up a situation where when 4k is the common resolution, the race will be on for the best 8k to put out in extra sharp and clean 4k. That biz is not for the faint of heart or wallet.

While I couldn’t finish the video —way to shop-like for me, I did watch your simple math on gold valuing. It was good and simple.

It amazes me how many people don’t know this stuff.

190 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 8:59:37am

re: #187 Mattand

Well, he is a libertarian.

191 Dr. Matt  Jan 17, 2015 9:02:25am
192 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 9:05:34am

re: #188 Rightwingconspirator

I saw that conversation. Over mah head. Tri-X is the best film ever. It taught me everything photographic as a very young guy.

My guess is that human optic “resolution” is still way higher. 8k? 12k? Of course like the audio discussion this has dimensions, resolution is just one measure. Some in production Hollywood think the passive theater screen is going to go away. Think 8k curved jumbotron and atmos audio. Keep that theater experience bigger and better than home.

Sensor resolution/$ is one of the things that kept me from jumping to digital. Looks like anything around 24 mp will make a reasonable print. If I go back to shooting, it will be something like a mirrorless camera used conceptually as a ‘back’ for my lenses—perhaps incorporating a capable bellows for a micro-viewcamera approach.

193 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 17, 2015 9:06:46am

re: #137 lawhawk

The GOP is also pushing nonsense about climate change because it wants to be in power, preferably forever. It it admits the reality of GCC then it’s on the hook for doing something about it. Doing something about GCC would require steps that piss off the GOP’s primary donors as well as requiring Manhattan Project levels of government action. I doubt that either party these days has the stomach to do what’s necessary to ameliorate GCC. If Democrats were suddenly in control of Congress and the White House we’d at least get some nods towards renewable energy and energy efficiency. With Republicans in control we’ll get nothing. What mystifies me is that the military and the re-insurers, among others, are well aware of GCC and are already gaming it’s potential effects yet neither seems to be exerting any influence.

194 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:07:49am

re: #181 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

They’re both utter assholes. Unfortunately, the Pope has more influence.

Pope Francis is not an asshole. If you read his whole statement, its clear he wasn’t justifying the Charlie Hebdo attack. His problem is that he doesn’t speak fluent soundbyte.

195 Mattand  Jan 17, 2015 9:08:03am

re: #190 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Well, he is a libertarian.

LOL, he calls for enough government intervention on stuff, he can’t even do that right.

196 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 9:08:55am

re: #189 FemNaziBitch

When so many were getting screwed selling their gold to the shady practices some indulged, I really wanted to get that basic math out. I wound up being seen as a bit controversial by colleagues. Got lots of views anyway, LOL.

197 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:09:39am

POLAR SHIPPING: A 2014 RECAP

The growing interest in polar ice shipping is being felt in ship orders and construction. Numerous ice class ships are on the order books, and some notable orders and deliveries are those of Nordic Bulk with their Baltic ice class new builds and Canada’s Fednav with delivery of their newest icebreaker cargo ship Nunavik. The latter made news with the first unescorted commercial cargo vessel transit of the Northwest Passage this summer.

and

One long standing search and recovery mission did result in a very successful search this year as the Canadian Coast Guard ship Sir Wilfrid Laurier and onboard researchers from Canadian Hydrographic Services and Parks Canada discovered the well preserved remains of Sir John Franklin’s flag ship HMS Erebus in the waters near to King William Island in the Canadian central Arctic.

from the Center for International Maritime Security

There blog is called NextWar??

198 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:10:50am

re: #196 Rightwingconspirator

When so many were getting screwed selling their gold to the shady practices some indulged, I really wanted to get that basic math out. I wound up being seen as a bit controversial by colleagues. Got lots of views anyway, LOL.

I’m such a geek, I have a convertor app that translates ounces to troy ounces. That way, when I weight my own jewelry on my postal scale, I can be as precise as possible.

199 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:12:29am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Pope Francis is not an asshole. If you read his whole statement, its clear he wasn’t justifying the Charlie Hebdo attack. His problem is that he doesn’t speak fluent soundbyte.

Really, did you read about his visit to the Filipino Street Children?

Orphan children living in poverty, sleeping in garbage, but the Pope still sees no need for birth control?

Yes, he is an asshole.

200 Mattand  Jan 17, 2015 9:13:23am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Pope Francis is not an asshole. If you read his whole statement, its clear he wasn’t justifying the Charlie Hebdo attack. His problem is that he doesn’t speak fluent soundbyte.

Francis is better than most Popes have been on social issues. Unfortunately, that’s a really low bar to hurdle.

There’s really no sound byte issue here. The Pope feels using of freedom of speech to mock religion is wrong, which unfortunately carries a whiff of “Charlie Hebdo had it coming.”

201 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 9:14:44am

re: #181 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

They’re both utter assholes. Unfortunately, the Pope has more influence.

202 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 9:16:33am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Sensor resolution/$ is one of the things that kept me from jumping to digital. Looks like anything around 24 mp will make a reasonable print. If I go back to shooting, it will be something like a mirrorless camera used conceptually as a ‘back’ for my lenses—perhaps incorporating a capable bellows for a micro-viewcamera approach.

I love the idea of mirrorless, but for me it would have to be a rangefinder or a better digital viewfinder than I have yet seen. Glare and light interfere with the back display.

A bellows would make a lot of fun stuff doable. Tilt/macro shots. Nice.

203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 17, 2015 9:17:22am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Pope Francis is not an asshole. If you read his whole statement, its clear he wasn’t justifying the Charlie Hebdo attack. His problem is that he doesn’t speak fluent soundbyte.

And that is the general problem with Twitter: it is fine for letting people know what you are up to, be it hanging with homies or out dodging bullets and tear gas canisters, but it is useless for a nuanced debate of complex issues.

204 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:18:49am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And that is the general problem with Twitter: it is fine for letting people know what you are up to, be it hanging with homies or out dodging bullets and tear gas canisters, but it is useless for a nuanced debate of complex issues.

Exactly.

205 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:19:48am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Pope Francis is not an asshole. If you read his whole statement, its clear he wasn’t justifying the Charlie Hebdo attack. His problem is that he doesn’t speak fluent soundbyte.

When you compare religious offense to insults to one’s mother, and say that it’s normal to punch in that situation - all in context of the murder for cartoons - you’re an asshole. You may say however many times you like that “it’s wrong to rape”, but if you’re adding “but you shouldn’t have wore that mini-dress” in the same breath, you’re an asshole.

206 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 9:20:24am

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

I love the idea of mirrorless, but for me it would have to be a rangefinder or a better digital viewfinder than I have yet seen. Glare and light interfere with the back display.

A bellows would make a lot of fun stuff doable. Tilt/macro shots. Nice.

Imagine pumping the ‘groundglass’ view into a pair of Apple Glass. They should be available at the flea market soon.

207 Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2015 9:21:07am

Because conservative believe there is no net economic gain from getting a college education.

208 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:21:51am

re: #207 Ace-o-aces

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Because conservative believe there is no net economic gain from getting a college education.

short-term thinking.

Penny-wise, Pound Foolish.

I’m so fed-up with it.

209 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 9:22:25am

re: #207 Ace-o-aces

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Because conservative believe there is no net economic gain from getting a college education.

Whole lot of nets conservatives don’t believe in.

210 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:23:48am

And yeah, that’s not the only issue on which he has been an active asshole. FNB posted one more above. Then there’s this.

211 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:24:24am

re: #205 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

When you compare religious offense to insults to one’s mother, and say that it’s normal to punch in that situation - all in context of the murder for cartoons - you’re an asshole. You may say however many times you like that “it’s wrong to rape”, but if you’re adding “but you shouldn’t have wore that mini-dress” in the same breath, you’re an asshole.

It’s one thing to say as the pope did that CH was acting like a bunch of disrespectful jerks, its another to say that they should be killed for it.

212 BigPapa  Jan 17, 2015 9:25:08am

re: #190 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Well, he is a libertarian.

The Libertarian Defense LOL

213 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:25:18am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

It’s one thing to say as the pope did that CH was acting like a bunch of disrespectful jerks, its another to say that they should be killed for it.

No, that’s not what he said. He said that in such a situation “punching” is normal and expected.

214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 17, 2015 9:25:23am

re: #207 Ace-o-aces

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Because conservative believe there is no net economic gain from getting a college education.

They have been taught to look on any university outside of Oral Roberts and Liberty University as liberal indoctrination camps.

215 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:28:49am

You want to see assholes, here are some assholes:

Niger protesters burn churches in second day of Charlie riots

Stone-throwing demonstrators set fire to two churches in Niger’s capital Niamey on Saturday, in the latest protest in France’s former African colonies at French newspaper Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

A day after five people were killed in Niger in protests over the cartoons, protesters in Niamey attacked a police station and burned at least two police cars near the main mosque after authorities banned a meeting called by local Muslim leaders. Police responded with teargas.

“They offended our Prophet Mohammed. That’s what we didn’t like,” said Amadou Abdoul Ouahab, who took part in the demonstration. “This is the reason why we have asked Muslims to come, so that we can explain this to them, but the state refused. That’s why we’re angry today.”

Demonstrations were also reported in regional towns, including Maradi, 600 km (375 miles) east of Niamey, where two churches were burned. Another church and a residence of the foreign minister were burned in the eastern town of Goure.

Four Muslim preachers who had convened the meeting in Niamey were arrested, police sources said. Protesters burned the French flag and set up roadblocks on streets in the town centre but no casualties were reported on Saturday.

Burning police cars in response to a police action I can understand (though as a rule I oppose doing so), but to burn a church ultimately over a magazine in another country I cannot understand.

216 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 17, 2015 9:29:53am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

You want to see assholes, here are some assholes:

Niger protesters burn churches in second day of Charlie riots

Burning police cars in response to a police action I can understand (though as a rule I oppose doing so), but to burn a church ultimately over a magazine in another country I cannot understand.

Just like setting fire to a mosque or a synagogue due to an event that took place on another continent.

217 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:30:36am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, no. That there are bigger assholes doesn’t absolve anyone of anything. Anyway, they’re just “punching back”, according to the Pope.

218 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:31:32am

re: #213 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

No, that’s not what he said. He said that in such a situation “punching” is normal and expected.

Well, to use the example he used, if you were to insult my mother in an ugly fashion and then got in my face with the insult, I’d damn sure knock your ass down. I’d be breaking the law, but at that point the law wouldn’t matter much to me; It’d be about the honor of the family.

219 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 9:33:02am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Well, to use the example he used, if you were to insult my mother in an ugly fashion and then got in my face with the insult, I’d damn sure knock your ass down. I’d be breaking the law, but at that point the law wouldn’t matter much to me; It’d be about the honor of the family.

“Honor of the family.” *spits* Seriously. That’s just stupid.

220 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 9:34:53am

re: #219 Sionainn

“Honor of the family.” *spits* Seriously. That’s just stupid.

Probably, but it’s a stupid endorsed by about 80% of the world’s population.
We’re still in smelling distance of the jungle.

221 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:37:11am

In case you were interested in the colors for Spring 2015

222 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:37:42am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Well, to use the example he used, if you were to insult my mother in an ugly fashion and then got in my face with the insult, I’d damn sure knock your ass down. I’d be breaking the law, but at that point the law wouldn’t matter much to me; It’d be about the honor of the family.

You missed the point completely.

223 Varek Raith  Jan 17, 2015 9:37:54am

Lol, religion.

224 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:39:49am

re: #219 Sionainn

“Honor of the family.” *spits* Seriously. That’s just stupid.

reject the larger group (government) —be true to the clan/tribe. This is where the church gains power and money.

225 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 9:40:19am

re: #223 Varek Raith

Lol, religion.

Politics. Who do you think the pope was trying to impress, Wonkette?

226 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 17, 2015 9:41:16am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Well, to use the example he used, if you were to insult my mother in an ugly fashion and then got in my face with the insult, I’d damn sure knock your ass down. I’d be breaking the law, but at that point the law wouldn’t matter much to me; It’d be about the honor of the family.

What would Jesus do if someone insulted the Virgin Mary?

227 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:42:01am
228 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:42:05am

It’s not about whether a punching can be morally justified (sometimes it can be). It’s not about whether it’s smart to wear a mini-skirt in some areas or not (sometimes it’s not smart). It’s about what you say, when you say it and whether certain comparisons are at all valid. This seems to be so obvious a point that I’m not inclined to explain further.

229 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:42:37am
230 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:44:05am
231 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:46:03am

WOAH!

232 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 17, 2015 9:46:05am

re: #228 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s not about whether a punching can be morally justified (sometimes it can be). It’s not about whether it’s smart to wear a mini-skirt in some areas or not (sometimes it’s not smart). It’s about what you say, when you say it and whether certain comparisons are at all valid. This seems to be so obvious a point that I’m not inclined to explain further.

This is part of a nuanced discussion: rape, theft, assault are always wrong, but a person who is aware of the situation and potential dangers and still knowingly provokes an attack has to bear some (partial if however slight) share of responsibility.

It does not mean that “rape is just like car theft” or anything of the like, it just reflect the fact that human nature and human interaction at a personal, group and national/international level is very complex and has to be treated with great circumspection

233 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:46:27am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What would Jesus do if someone insulted the Virgin Mary?

he’d turn her other cheek.

234 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 9:46:34am

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

In case you were interested in the colors for Spring 2015

Not good colors for me.

235 Varek Raith  Jan 17, 2015 9:48:21am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What would Jesus do if someone insulted the Virgin Mary?

AK-47s and grenades.

236 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:49:38am

re: #227 FemNaziBitch

Boo on that poster for mentioning politics in when the Guardian article doesn’t. California anti-vaxxers are of both parties and to ascribe blame to either party is to misrepresent what is not in fact a partisan issue.

237 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 9:49:46am
238 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 9:50:08am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

The 4 Clerics who incited the riot are responsible. They should be arrested.

239 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:50:31am

re: #238 The War TARDIS

The 4 Clerics who incited the riot are responsible. They should be arrested.

They already have been.

240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:51:10am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is part of a nuanced discussion: rape, theft, assault are always wrong, but a person who is aware of the situation and potential dangers and still knowingly provokes an attack has to bear some (partial if however slight) share of responsibility.

When a cop dies on the job, is there a share of responsibility there because he knew about the risks involved?

241 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 9:51:20am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Orange County is incredibly hard wing wing. They are pointing out the obvious there, though I would say that the West Coast is far more full of the crunchy granola types than the East Coast.

242 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 9:52:59am

re: #228 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My takeaway from his statement was a call to self censor. That from his moral view one should heed the likely consequences of these actions.

243 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 9:53:35am

re: #241 The War TARDIS

wing wing?

244 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 17, 2015 9:54:02am

re: #227 FemNaziBitch

A lot of the better educated people I know are ignorant to common sense and make the worst life decisions.

245 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 9:54:08am

re: #242 Rightwingconspirator

My takeaway from his statement was a call to self censor. That from his moral view one should heed the likely consequences of these actions.

That was my take as well.

246 Varek Raith  Jan 17, 2015 9:54:18am

re: #243 Rightwingconspirator

wing wing?

Wings that have wings.
Duh.
/

247 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 9:54:45am

re: #242 Rightwingconspirator

My takeaway from his statement was a call to self censor. That from his moral view one should heed the likely consequences of these actions.

That is obvious. Of course, there’s more than that there.

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2015 9:55:52am

re: #241 The War TARDIS

Orange County is incredibly hard wing wing. They are pointing out the obvious there, though I would say that the West Coast is far more full of the crunchy granola types than the East Coast.

What is a “crunchy granola type”?
People keep saying that about California and I just don’t get it. It’s not the 1960s or 70s anymore.

249 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 9:56:20am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Boo on that poster for mentioning politics in when the Guardian article doesn’t. California anti-vaxxers are of both parties and to ascribe blame to either party is to misrepresent what is not in fact a partisan issue.

I couldn’t tell you if the anti-vaxxers were Republican, but Orange County, California is extremely conservative (at least the people with money). Those scraping by tend to get vaccinated.

250 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 9:57:47am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

What is a “crunchy granola type”?
People keep saying that about California and I just don’t get it. It’s not the 1960s or 70s anymore.

Thank you for noticing.

But this iconic county of 3.1 million people passed something of a milestone in June. The percentage of registered Republican voters dropped to 43 percent, the lowest level in 70 years.

It was the latest sign of the demographic, ethnic and political changes that are transforming the county and challenging long-held views of a region whose colorful — its detractors might suggest zany — reputation extends well beyond the borders of this state.

At the end of 2009, nearly 45 percent of the county’s residents spoke a language other than English at home, according to county officials. Whites now make up only 45 percent of the population; this county is teeming with Hispanics, as well as Vietnamese, Korean and Chinese families. Its percentage of foreign-born residents jumped to 30 percent in 2008 from 6 percent in 1970, and visits to some of its corners can feel like a trip to a foreign land.

251 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 9:57:57am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

What is a “crunchy granola type”?
People keep saying that about California and I just don’t get it. It’s not the 1960s or 70s anymore.

I think it refers to people who eat all organic, scream about GMOs, etc.

252 Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2015 9:58:14am

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

When a cop dies on the job, is there a share of responsibility there because he knew about the risks involved?

That will be reflected in monetary settlements reached. People whose job it is to place a value on human life use a risk-acceptance model in many applications.

253 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 9:58:38am

re: #187 Mattand

But he has always been doing this if you look back. He has had a few good moments, but he has always been a tool.

Hell, his humor isn’t all that great either. Watch him during the new rules segment. He says his thing, looks at the audience to laugh, and does this shit-eating smirk.

I liked him when I was 18-21. But he started being annoying after that.

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2015 9:58:39am

re: #251 Sionainn

I think it refers to people who eat all organic, scream about GMOs, etc.

Oh, OK.
Still doesn’t make any sense to me.

255 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 9:59:06am

re: #243 Rightwingconspirator

Right wing. I goofed.

256 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 9:59:30am

re: #251 Sionainn

I think it refers to people who eat all organic, scream about GMOs, etc.

O.C.?
Laguna Beach Conservatives?

Gotta laugh at some stereotypes.

257 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 10:00:02am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, OK.
Still doesn’t make any sense to me.

LOL.

258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2015 10:00:23am

re: #257 Sionainn

LOL.

:D

259 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 10:01:02am

re: #251 Sionainn

That is what I am getting at. I would love to see a comparison of the vaccination rates in California versus say, New York State.

260 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:01:07am

What is it with the whacky religious and dogs?

261 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 10:01:12am

re: #255 The War TARDIS

Okay, and ya goofed about Orange County. It’s not all that Right Wingy. B1 Bob been gone a long time now.

262 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 10:02:39am

re: #253 The War TARDIS

His film Religulous was pretty ridiculous. Well, I’m exaggerating, but it was an extremely uninspired (heh) documentary. One could imagine a smarter, more boisterous manifesto of anticlericalism. Voltaire he is not.

263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2015 10:02:58am

re: #261 Rightwingconspirator

Okay, and ya goofed about Orange County. It’s not all that Right Wingy. B1 Bob been gone a long time now.

Broad brush insults about entire populations, with no facts to hand, tend to result in major goofs.
;)

264 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 10:03:03am

re: #261 Rightwingconspirator

Okay, and ya goofed about Orange County. It’s not all that Right Wingy. B1 Bob been gone a long time now.

The people with money in O.C. are pretty darn conservative.

265 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 17, 2015 10:03:56am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

BUT OBAMA ATE A DOGGG!!!!!1

266 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 10:04:08am

re: #261 Rightwingconspirator

It still has Rohrabacher and Issa.

267 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:04:17am

re: #251 Sionainn

I think it refers to people who eat all organic, scream about GMOs, etc.

Who was the “grape nuts” guy?

268 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 10:05:00am

re: #249 Sionainn

I couldn’t tell you if the anti-vaxxers were Republican, but Orange County, California is extremely conservative.

Yes, but neither the Guardian nor the LA Times mentioned partisan politics in their story and for good reason:

Once a group of anti-vaxxers is called out as “fundies” or “hippies”, others on the right or left (respectively) tend to react by circling the wagons around those of their faction who are under attack. Facts don’t enter into the decisions of people to do this; protecting others of your family/tribe/faction is to a great degree instinctive.

So its best to either not apply party labels when talking about anti-vaxxers, or keep a close left/right balance so that mainstream Democrats and Republicans don’t feel they’re being attacked.

269 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 10:05:19am

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

Who was the “grape nuts” guy?

I don’t know.

270 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:06:03am

I don’t care if a person walks down the street totally nude.

It is not an excuse for rape.

271 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 10:06:38am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but neither the Guardian nor the LA Times mentioned partisan politics in their story and for good reason:

Once a group of anti-vaxxers is called out as “fundies” or “hippies”, others on the right or left (respectively) tend to react by circling the wagons around those of their faction who are under attack. Facts don’t enter into the decisions of people to do this; protecting others of your family/tribe/faction is to a great degree instinctive.

So its best to either not apply party labels when talking about anti-vaxxers, or keep a close left/right balance so that mainstream Democrats and Republicans don’t feel they’re being attacked.

I was simply making a comment regarding the tweet and how that person made that supposition. I don’t know if it’s true or not. I don’t particularly care. I’d like everyone to stop with the stupidity of not vaccinating their children.

272 b_sharp  Jan 17, 2015 10:07:46am

I’ve always wanted a smoothing roller.

273 Varek Raith  Jan 17, 2015 10:08:09am

re: #272 b_sharp

I’ve always wanted a smoothing roller.

I believe that’s what she said.

274 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:12:19am

This guy, Euell Gibbons.

Natural Goods guru, wrote Stalking the Wild Asparagus.

and was a spokesperson for Grape Nut’s cereal.

His name became synonymous with Whacky “eat nuts and twigs” health food movement.

I’m thinking this is part of the evolution of the “granola” meme mentioned above.

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2015 10:12:59am

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

Who was the “grape nuts” guy?

Don’t know, but Marlin Perkins was the pine nuts guys.

276 jaunte  Jan 17, 2015 10:13:19am

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

“Today I’m visiting the Zuni indians…”

277 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 10:15:55am

re: #266 The War TARDIS

It still has Rohrabacher and Issa.

And famously, Loretta Sanchez.

re: #264 Sionainn

The people with money in O.C. are pretty darn conservative.

Sure, it’s a factor just not IMHO “the” factor there. Not from the numbers. Very liberal and wealthy coastal areas for example. The trend is left not right.

278 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:16:53am

re: #259 The War TARDIS

That is what I am getting at. I would love to see a comparison of the vaccination rates in California versus say, New York State.

IIRC, California has one of the lowest vaccination rates. I think it might have more to do with money and privilege than political affiliation.

Kinda like Mask of the Red Death. People think their “lifestyle” insulates them from wee vermin.

279 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 10:18:26am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Oh, I don’t think it is a political issue.

It think it is a difference in culture and in thought.

280 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 10:20:00am

re: #277 Rightwingconspirator

And famously, Loretta Sanchez.

Sure, it’s a factor just not IMHO “the” factor there. Not from the numbers. Very liberal and wealthy coastal areas for example. The trend is left not right.

I think it’s both left and right, at least from what I’ve seen on parenting boards regarding vaccinations.

281 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:20:27am

Orange County, however, seems to lean towards the GOP.

Issa’s county?

282 Sionainn  Jan 17, 2015 10:21:35am

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

Orange County, however, seems to lean towards the GOP.

Issa’s county?

San Diego County and a tiny bit of Orange County.

283 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 17, 2015 10:25:19am

re: #264 Sionainn

The people with money in O.C. are pretty darn conservative.

It depends. The people whom I know in the south part of the OC tend to be liberal in most respects. I just spent a bit more than a year living in San Clemente. My millionaire neighbors were very concerned about ecology issues and water conservation as well as other things that would be considered liberal. Even though I’m an old, long haired liberal who occasionally wore a vintage 2008 Obama/Biden t shirt they were polite, friendly and always willing to lend a helping hand. There are good people as well as assholes on both ends of the liberal-conservative spectrum. I’ve met fine people in South Texas and raging assholes in San Francisco.

284 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 17, 2015 10:27:24am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

IIRC, California has one of the lowest vaccination rates. I think it might have more to do with money and privilege than political affiliation.

Kinda like Mask of the Red Death. People think their “lifestyle” insulates them from wee vermin.

It’s terribly dangerously selfish.

… Nice chatting this morning but gotta go see if i can make hollandaise sauce from scratch. IF that works it’s eggs bennie. If not maybe scrambled eggs.

285 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:27:53am
286 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 10:28:48am

re: #284 Rightwingconspirator

It’s terribly dangerously selfish.

Yes, and beyond making it mandatory to immunize, I don’t know how we are going to change the trends.

287 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 10:33:52am

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

I would like a law that would make a refusal to vaccinate except for medical reasons a form of Child Abuse, which would allow CPS to step in.

Also, Olbermann summarized the weird story with Kurt Busch and his ex:

288 Dark_Falcon  Jan 17, 2015 10:43:29am

re: #287 The War TARDIS

I would like a law that would make a refusal to vaccinate except for medical reasons a form of Child Abuse, which would allow CPS to step in.

Also, Olbermann summarized the weird story with Kurt Busch and his ex:

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That would be a good idea, but I don’t see it happening at least not where richer people are concerned. They contribute too much to local campaign for District Attorneys to be willing to go after them. Poor and working class people who refuse to vaccinate might be punished as child abusers, but upper-middle-class and upper-class people who refuse will still just be regarded as “eccentric”.

It’s all about the money.

289 blueraven  Jan 17, 2015 10:51:06am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

Todd is Klassy as ever….

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Ugh…but that is from last October. He has been suspended from Twitter for about a month now. Hopefully it will stick this time.

@Todd__Kincannon

290 allegro  Jan 17, 2015 10:55:18am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

That would be a good idea, but I don’t see it happening at least not where richer people are concerned. They contribute too much to local campaign for District Attorneys to be willing to go after them. Poor and working class people who refuse to vaccinate might be punished as child abusers, but upper-middle-class and upper-class people who refuse will still just be regarded as “eccentric”.

It’s all about the money.

I have to be able to prove that my dogs are vaccinated at all times to protect them and all others they may come into contact with. They could not attend doggie daycare, go to dog parks, be professionally groomed,, etc. without that proof.

Should human children be protected less?

291 ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2015 10:56:14am

re: #262 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

His film Religulous was pretty ridiculous. Well, I’m exaggerating, but it was an extremely uninspired (heh) documentary. One could imagine a smarter, more boisterous manifesto of anticlericalism. Voltaire he is not.

You know the best thing about Maher. He too is one vote.

I don’t worry too much about his viewers and if they will follow him in his thinking. They may be too libertarian to actually leave the house to vote.

And regarding everyone debating about the Pope. I would expect him to say what he did about the Paris CH terror attack. He is the head of a religion, so he protects his own.

I also expect the birth control BS out of him too.

But, I will take any positive stuff he can help out on too, like global warming, social issues like wealth, etc.

I tend to be very pragmatic. I’ll take what I can get from one person, and take what I can from another, skip the BS from both and hope there is enough positive to overcome the negative in ALL the issues.

The larger battle to humans may well be the climate issues. If no one is around there will be no need for birth control or critical comedic attacks on untouchable entities. If we can go on a a species we can continue to fight the other stuff.

292 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 17, 2015 11:02:36am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

IIRC, California has one of the lowest vaccination rates. I think it might have more to do with money and privilege than political affiliation.

Kinda like Mask of the Red Death. People think their “lifestyle” insulates them from wee vermin.

Nope, not even close. Here’s a link to a CDC map showing vaccination rates for the 2013-2014 school year. And here’s a link to the CDC’s documentation of measles outbreaks in 2014. From that page:

The Philippines is experiencing a large, ongoing measles outbreak. Many of the cases in the U.S. in 2014 were associated with cases brought in from the Philippines.

People coming in to the US from the Philippines are most likely to enter the US through which state?

293 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 11:21:20am

re: #291 ObserverArt

The larger battle to humans may well be the climate issues. If no one is around there will be no need for birth control or critical comedic attacks on untouchable entities. If we can go on a a species we can continue to fight the other stuff.

You don’t think that lack of birth control access leading to more humans being on the planet than ever before doesn’t contribute to the negative of effects of Climate Change on humans?

I really have to disagree with you.

the sheer numbers of people on the planet alone is a a threat to the planet and thus to the future of our species.

the planet will kill us or we can support access to birth control.
It’s our choice.

294 The War TARDIS  Jan 17, 2015 11:27:35am

re: #292 Higgs Boson’s Mate

California is lower than New York.

But there is only a vague to the map. The South tends to be more vaccinated, while the Inter-mountain West and the West Coast tend to be lower vaccinated.

295 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 11:34:26am

re: #294 The War TARDIS

California is lower than New York.

But there is only a vague to the map. The South tends to be more vaccinated, while the Inter-mountain West and the West Coast tend to be lower vaccinated.

IIRC, part of getting your WIC (women, infant, children benefits) is showing up at the public health office periodically with your baby for check-ups. Anyone getting “welfare” is more likely to get vaccinations because the public health nurse is going to emphasize it.

296 FemNaziBitch  Jan 17, 2015 11:42:19am

TOO MANY PEOPLE == BAD FOR PLANET

why is this such a hard concept?

Overpopulation is one of the causes of the negative effects of Climate Change.

297 Eventual Carrion  Jan 17, 2015 11:42:48am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

What is it with the whacky religious and dogs?

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They take advantage of those that trust them.

The lord uses the good ones, and the bad ones use the lord.
- Michael Stanley

298 CriticalDragon1177  Jan 17, 2015 11:52:58am

Charles Johnson,

If only we could reason with climate change deniers, and get them to admit they’re wrong. Trouble is arguing with climate change deniers is like arguing with creationists, people who still believe in a flat Earth, or racists.

299 ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2015 1:06:30pm

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

You don’t think that lack of birth control access leading to more humans being on the planet than ever before doesn’t contribute to the negative of effects of Climate Change on humans?

I really have to disagree with you.

the sheer numbers of people on the planet alone is a a threat to the planet and thus to the future of our species.

the planet will kill us or we can support access to birth control.
It’s our choice.

You are reading too much into my comment. I said climate issues are number one in my opinion. To me, climate issues are an accounting of a lot of changes that will need to be made. Not a singular one. I understand your viewpoint, but you don’t understand that I am not intending to diminish birth control, just that it is a part.

And, politically, it may be harder to get real change on birth control because all of the issues surrounding it that you know all too well. I do not know, but it may be less difficult changing the energy industries. So, that is where the politics are being played. Pick your battles.

Any advancement would be good with me. Birth control would be one, and I admire your resolve on the issue.

300 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 18, 2015 5:02:38am

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

When a cop dies on the job, is there a share of responsibility there because he knew about the risks involved?

He knew the job was dangerous when he took it. But it does not make him fair game to anyone with a gun.


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