Report: NSA Breached North Korean Networks Before Sony Attack

Not a fairy tale

Apparently the FBI and President Obama actually did have good reason to implicate North Korea in the Sony hack. Imagine that: N.S.A. Breached North Korean Networks Before Sony Attack, Officials Say.

WASHINGTON — The trail that led American officials to blame North Korea for the destructive cyberattack on Sony Pictures Entertainment in November winds back to 2010, when the National Security Agency scrambled to break into the computer systems of a country considered one of the most impenetrable targets on earth.

Spurred by growing concern about North Korea’s maturing capabilities, the American spy agency drilled into the Chinese networks that connect North Korea to the outside world, picked through connections in Malaysia favored by North Korean hackers and penetrated directly into the North with the help of South Korea and other American allies, according to former United States and foreign officials, computer experts later briefed on the operations and a newly disclosed N.S.A. document.

A classified security agency program expanded into an ambitious effort, officials said, to place malware that could track the internal workings of many of the computers and networks used by the North’s hackers, a force that South Korea’s military recently said numbers roughly 6,000 people. Most are commanded by the country’s main intelligence service, called the Reconnaissance General Bureau, and Bureau 121, its secretive hacking unit, with a large outpost in China.

The evidence gathered by the “early warning radar” of software painstakingly hidden to monitor North Korea’s activities proved critical in persuading President Obama to accuse the government of Kim Jong-un of ordering the Sony attack, according to the officials and experts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the classified N.S.A. operation.

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1 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 19, 2015 6:17:46pm

It can’t be true, upChuck has PROOF that it wasn’t the NKs.

In all seriousness, why would this be declassified? Unless it had been detected and sealed off why would the govt want to disclose methodology and tactics?

What say our lizards with that strong security background?

RBS

2 Charles Johnson  Jan 19, 2015 6:20:25pm

re: #1 RealityBasedSteve

It can’t be true, upChuck has PROOF that it wasn’t the NKs.

In all seriousness, why would this be declassified? Unless it had been detected and sealed off why would the govt want to disclose methodology and tactics?

What say our lizards with that strong security background?

RBS

Probably because the public debate has already led the NK government to figure it out by themselves. If it were still secret we wouldn’t be seeing this story.

3 Dark_Falcon  Jan 19, 2015 6:22:57pm

re: #1 RealityBasedSteve

It can’t be true, upChuck has PROOF that it wasn’t the NKs.

In all seriousness, why would this be declassified? Unless it had been detected and sealed off why would the govt want to disclose methodology and tactics?

What say our lizards with that strong security background?

RBS

My own take is that given the high profile of the incident and the fact we imposed sanctions, President Obama wanted to make clear we were right on this one. After the intelligence failure regarding WMDs in Iraq in 2002-2003, people weren’t going to just take the FBI’s word on the matter, so proof was offered.

4 Justanotherhuman  Jan 19, 2015 6:24:38pm

And, of course, Perennial Horse’s Ass GG weighs in:

5 Dark_Falcon  Jan 19, 2015 6:26:33pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

And, of course, Perennial Horse’s Ass GG weighs neighs in:

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Improved. ;)

6 Justanotherhuman  Jan 19, 2015 6:28:11pm

Passengers Taken Off Plane at JFK as Authorities Investigate Bomb Threat: Sources

nbcnewyork.com

“Passengers on board a Delta flight that was set to take off for Tel Aviv from Kennedy Airport Monday night were deplaned as authorities investigated a bomb threat, sources tell NBC News and NBC 4 New York.

“An anonymous person called Delta headquarters to report a pipe bomb was on board Delta Flight 468, according to law enforcement officials.

(snip)

“The Port Authority said the plane that arrived from San Francisco was deplaned and a K-9 search of the aircraft and baggage area was underway.”

More

7 b.d.  Jan 19, 2015 6:29:33pm

So the US govt. had to give up one of its secrets to shut up a bunch of ignorant, know-it-all blowhards?

Thanks a lot geniuses.

8 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 19, 2015 6:31:02pm

Speaking of Chucky C, LGF gets a shout out from Jezebel on that Holly Fisher thing.

9 #FergusonFireside  Jan 19, 2015 6:34:17pm

O/T but near and dear

10 Justanotherhuman  Jan 19, 2015 6:35:45pm

Going to watch some TV I can get to sleep on (Dr tomorrow).

Later, Lizards!

11 Charles Johnson  Jan 19, 2015 6:36:21pm
12 Dark_Falcon  Jan 19, 2015 6:36:31pm

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

Speaking of Chucky C, LGF gets a shout out from Jezebel on that Holly Fisher thing.

The ending of that post is just perfect:

In truth, though, Johnson did this because he’s a nasty little shit, whose entire reason for being is humiliating anyone he possibly can, and doing it under the paper-thin guise of being The Last Honest Reporter, the only man with the guts to tell us all Which Tea Party Genitals are Interacting. It’s far from the worst thing he’s ever done to a private citizen, but it’s still pretty gross.

Great job, Chuck. You’ve forced us all to sympathize with Holly Hobby Lobby.

13 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 19, 2015 6:36:42pm

re: #7 b.d.

So the US govt. had to give up one of its secrets to shut up a bunch of ignorant, know-it-all blowhards?

Thanks a lot geniuses.

These things have a lifespan that’s dependent on the sophistication and the wariness of the target. Once a particular means of attack is discovered it becomes useless. When that happens you look for other vulnerabilities and you write some new code.

14 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 19, 2015 6:39:52pm

I just hate the commenting system at the Gawker sites.

15 JustMark  Jan 19, 2015 6:40:53pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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All out of bubblegum…

16 Charles Johnson  Jan 19, 2015 6:52:54pm
17 Dark_Falcon  Jan 19, 2015 6:58:30pm

Vince Wilfork is one of the New England Patriots defensive tackles. Number 75 isn’t a household name, but he played his part well in suffocating the Indianapolis Colts’ offense last night, leaving Indy’s defense stuck on the field to be eviscerated by Tom Brady and the Patriot’s offense. But it was after the game that Wilfork really shined:

Vince Wilfork helps driver trapped in roll over crash

New England Patriots all-star defensive tackle Vince Wilfork scored extra points after the game with Indianapolis Sunday night.

Massachusetts State Police said Wilfork helped them rescue a woman trapped in a car after it rolled over near Gillette Stadium.

When troopers arrived to investigate reports of a vehicle that had rolled over on Route 1 in Foxborough, “to their surprise … Wilfork was beside the vehicle checking on the operator” of the 2015 Jeep Wrangler, police said.

“It was something we saw and we knew she needed help, so we helped,” Wilfork told reporters Monday. “The good thing is that we got her to safety.”

“The first thing I told her was ‘don’t panic.’ My job was to help the person in the car,” he said.

The report goes on to note the woman turned out to have been drinking and was arrested for DUI. It’s great that Wilfork was able to save her, but to bears saying that had she not gotten drunk she would not have needed saving.

18 Gus  Jan 19, 2015 7:00:41pm

Greenwald Tweets:

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald

Corn, peas, buttered ham and lollipops.

1,287 Retweets 910 favorites

19 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 7:03:19pm
20 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 19, 2015 7:04:43pm

re: #18 Gus
Corn, pea, buttered ham and lollipops.

Greenwald Tweets:

My eyes must be tired from reading stock tags all day… I read that last item as “trollops”.

RBS

21 #FergusonFireside  Jan 19, 2015 7:12:24pm

Nelly B - you here? I’m watching OWN to see what all the stuff on twitter is about (Light skin, on at 9) and since I’m West Coast I’m catching Oprah’s big party for Selma. The gospel brunch is quite the epic thing to watch.

22 Dark_Falcon  Jan 19, 2015 7:13:12pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Bobby Jindal’s continued embrace of that ‘no-go zones’ meme even after FNC issued a full retraction was so dumb that even the normally mild Anderson Cooper let Jindal have it. The title of Cooper’s Jindal segment: “Talking Point, Meet Fact.”

In lying about a matter in which lives are at stake and refusing to admit being wrong even after the used source issued a retraction, Bobby Jindal has done the same thing as Michele Bachmann did in 2012 regarding the Gardasil HPV vaccine. And his having done such forces me to make the same determination I made then regarding Bachmann:

By his blind indifference to the truth on a life-and-death issue, Bobby Jindal has shown himself unfit for leadership. Should he run for president in 2016, I will not vote for him, even if he were to win the Republican nomination. To repeat, even in the general election I will not vote for Bobby Jindal.

23 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 7:14:33pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

I figure he’s playing for VP at this point, but he doesn’t have much chance at that either.

24 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 19, 2015 7:16:13pm

re: #23 jaunte

I figure he’s playing for VP at this point, but he doesn’t have much chance at that either.

You know that if Mitt or Jeb gets the nomination they will pick a Tea Party nutbag for VP.

Hillary will pick herself for VP.

I am SO not looking forward to 2016. :(

25 Charles Johnson  Jan 19, 2015 7:18:55pm

He’s having people who love him! Having them!

26 klystron  Jan 19, 2015 7:19:34pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Because all the mean people on twitter are female.

Obviously.

27 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 7:20:01pm

Chuck C. Johnson, the Lambada of content.

28 goddamnedfrank  Jan 19, 2015 7:20:59pm

Incoming, emotionally damaged christian racist while male:

!O.o!

29 goddamnedfrank  Jan 19, 2015 7:22:33pm

Wow, this one got dark fast.

The kind of guy who supports @ChuckCJohnson everyone!

30 Dark_Falcon  Jan 19, 2015 7:23:11pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Sorry but I couldn’t resist:

31 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 19, 2015 7:23:52pm

WTF…. I just can’t begin to understand who would store a pistol in a headboard shelf when there are small children in the house…

According to the Nodaway County Sheriff’s Office, the nine-month-old baby boy was shot shortly before nine o’clock Monday morning by his five-year-old brother at their residence, located at 101 S. Scott in Elmo, Missouri, which is just south of the Iowa border.

According to the Nodaway County Sheriff’s Office the the mother of the two children said her five-year-old son shot her infant in the head with a paintball gun. But after an ambulance and law enforcement were dispatched to the location, it was determined the nine-month-old had been shot in the head with a .22 caliber magnum revolver.

Nodaway County Sheriff, Darren White, said the loaded gun had been kept on a shelf which was built into the headboard of the master bed. The infant was in a crib in that room, and law enforcement found the gun nearby

Kansas City Fox News

RBS

32 Dark_Falcon  Jan 19, 2015 7:24:12pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

Wow, this one got dark fast.

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The kind of guy who supports @ChuckCJohnson everyone!

Dr. Illusion ISIS

33 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 7:24:15pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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He’s having people who love him! Having them!

Men can get pregnant.

34 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 19, 2015 7:26:46pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Sorry but I couldn’t resist:

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So, is upChuck saying that his followers have no balls?

RBS?

35 #FergusonFireside  Jan 19, 2015 7:28:06pm

re: #31 RealityBasedSteve

WTF…. I just can’t begin to understand who would store a pistol in a headboard shelf when there are small children in the house…

Kansas City Fox News

RBS

Typical parents of an infant and toddler. Scared to fucking hell of oooga booga.

36 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 7:28:09pm

re: #34 RealityBasedSteve

Afraid of mean tweets, they are.

37 A Cranky One  Jan 19, 2015 7:28:18pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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He’s having people who love him! Having them!

He also said: “…are afraid of the mean girls on Twitter even though they agree with me.”

So the mean girls on Twitter agree with him?

Our next media mogul. /////

38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jan 19, 2015 7:28:23pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Improved. ;)

It’s not the horse’s ass that does the neighing.

39 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 7:31:34pm

re: #34 RealityBasedSteve

So, is upChuck saying that his followers have no balls?

RBS?

re: #37 A Cranky One

He also said: “…are afraid of the mean girls on Twitter even though they agree with me.”

So the mean girls on Twitter agree with him?

Our next media mogul. /////

40 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 19, 2015 7:34:41pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Men can get pregnant.

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(Warning: Young Ones. Only the highlights from an episode.)

41 BlueGrl21  Jan 19, 2015 7:35:11pm

The American intelligence community, foreign and domestic, employs “hackers” and cyber security experts that make N. Korea look like babes in toy land. You rarely hear about them for a very good reason…they do not talk. But if any of you have ever come in contact with any of them them in any way….I have…you know how brilliant they are and their capabilities, at least what they can tell you.

Wingnuts like CCJ flip because they have NO idea what our cyber intelligence capabilities are. They’re so, so, so very stupid when it comes to any kind of advanced technology. God, so mind-blowingly stupid and ignorant. North Korea? Please.

42 A Cranky One  Jan 19, 2015 7:37:46pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

And, of course, Perennial Horse’s Ass GG weighs in:

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Speaking of horse’s asses, I think of this whenever I see UpChuck use “BREAKING”.

43 BlueGrl21  Jan 19, 2015 7:40:24pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

Why would someone be on Twitter if they can’t handle “mean girls?” No one has ever claimed Twitter is a place for pink unicorns and sparkle fairies.

44 A Cranky One  Jan 19, 2015 7:42:21pm

re: #43 BlueGrl21

Why would someone be on Twitter if they can’t handle “mean girls?” No one has ever claimed Twitter is a place for pink unicorns and sparkle fairies.

That’s why I don’t use Twitter. No pink unicorns or sparkle fairies. And not enough cowbell. ;)

45 BlueGrl21  Jan 19, 2015 7:46:07pm

re: #44 A Cranky One

That’s why I don’t use Twitter. No pink unicorns or sparkle fairies. Oh and not enough cowbell. ;)

Exactly. I leave Twitter to people with stronger stomachs than me. But I do enjoy watching the tweets come in on LGF. Fight on, Twitter Warriors of the Lizardem!

46 A Cranky One  Jan 19, 2015 7:49:34pm

re: #45 BlueGrl21

Exactly. I leave Twitter to people with stronger stomachs than me. But I do enjoy watching the tweets come in on LGF. Fight on, Twitter Warriors of the Lizardem!

My feelings exactly. I appreciate hearing about what’s going on, but not enough to dive into the cesspool. Glad folks here are willing to do that and keep us informed!

47 goddamnedfrank  Jan 19, 2015 7:57:02pm
48 #FergusonFireside  Jan 19, 2015 7:59:13pm

I love twitter. To keep up to what’s happening before the news.

And the commentary.

And the fucking laughs.

Fellow worker with children who had to struggle with the MLK holliday - I shared this with her

And Petty, the #dunegoon (a cat on the beach!)

And OF COURSE the #ferguson movement.

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 19, 2015 8:05:11pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

You know that if Mitt or Jeb gets the nomination they will pick a Tea Party nutbag for VP.

Because that worked SO well last time!

/

50 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 19, 2015 8:09:38pm

re: #31 RealityBasedSteve

None of my guns are loaded. Unloaded magazines and ammo are stored separately.

Irreaponsible people like that really piss me off.

51 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 19, 2015 8:19:59pm

UpChuck’s latest GotNews “hit pieces” target Michael Moore, and miss by a country mile.

First, he tries to doxx Moore’s uncle, who was KIA during WWII. He can’t verify uncle was killed by a sniper, but he goes ahead and implies Moore made it up, even though he finds doxx verifying the KIA part.

Then, he publishes a story all but calling Moore a coward for pulling an anti-NRA bit on cable TV, but the article he reprints says it was the network that made the decision.

As usual, gotnwes.com is on the case.

52 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 19, 2015 8:21:41pm

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I’m late to the party, but as I recall soldiers generally hated snipers. Frickin’ unpatriotic soldiers.

53 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 19, 2015 8:26:33pm

re: #52 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’m late to the party, but as I recall soldiers generally hated snipers. Frickin’ unpatriotic soldiers.

I know the Germans didn’t like those Belgian and French snipers during WWI.

But they were totally cool with bombing the shit out of towns, villages and platoons of regular soldiers.

54 Charles Johnson  Jan 19, 2015 8:26:43pm
55 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 8:27:22pm

Huckabee on the Daily Show talking about performing Cat Scratch Fever with Ted Nugent: “It’s an adult song.”

56 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 19, 2015 8:27:35pm

Now that I’ve had a big plate of pasta and a bowl of sliced apples and bananas for desert, watched the lasted episode of Constatine and enjoyed a cup of hot chocolate, I think my work here is done.

Ya all play nice, no running with the scissors and remember to wash your hands after using the bathroom (or reading upChucks tweets)

Later Gang,

RBS

57 #FergusonFireside  Jan 19, 2015 8:29:34pm

re: #55 jaunte

Huckabee on the Daily Show talking about performing Cat Scratch Fever with Ted Nugent: “It’s an adult song.”

fuck that hatriot. and with that, my nighty!

58 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 8:30:17pm

re: #55 jaunte

Why is Jon Stewart giving that theocrat time on his program?

59 Kragar  Jan 19, 2015 8:30:40pm

re: #55 jaunte

Huckabee on the Daily Show talking about performing Cat Scratch Fever with Ted Nugent: “It’s an adult song.”

Did he go into another tirade about how Beyonce is a terrible influence?

60 ipsos  Jan 19, 2015 8:32:59pm

It’s Larry Wilmore time, boys and girls. I’m sure he’ll be great, but I miss Colbert like crazy.

61 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 8:37:31pm

re: #55 jaunte

Huckabee on the Daily Show talking about performing Cat Scratch Fever with Ted Nugent: “It’s an adult song.”

And the Southern Avenger weighs in.

62 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 8:40:04pm

re: #59 Kragar

Did he go into another tirade about how Beyonce is a terrible influence?

That was just about the only point he was there to make. Oh, and he has a book out, for everyone who wants to tut-tut over Beyonce.

63 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 8:47:47pm

Hey wheatdogg, I just noticed that @gotnwes has more RWNJ followers than sane ones.

64 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 8:49:23pm

Re: Huckabee.
There’s a point at which hackery becomes self-satirizing, and his new book-like object has reached it, if this excerpt is at all representative.

So let me make it clear—I’m a proud son of the South, but I can easily relate to folks from the Midwest, Southwest, and most of rural America. I feel a bit more disconnected from people who have never fired a gun, never fished with a cane pole, never cooked with propane, or never changed a tire. If people use “summer” as a verb as in, “we summer in the Hamptons,” I probably don’t have much in common with them. If people don’t put pepper sauce on their black-eyed peas or order fried green tomatoes for an appetizer, I probably won’t relate to them without some effort.
abcnews.go.com

65 Kragar  Jan 19, 2015 8:54:35pm

re: #62 jaunte

That was just about the only point he was there to make. Oh, and he has a book out, for everyone who wants to tut-tut over Beyonce.

He has a point. Remember when that Beyonce fan tortured and killed a stray dog for fun?

Oh wait, that was Huckabee’s own kid who did that.

Never mind.

66 Kragar  Jan 19, 2015 8:55:52pm

re: #64 jaunte

Re: Huckabee.
There’s a point at which hackery becomes self-satirizing, and his new book-like object has reached it, if this excerpt is at all representative.

A proud son of the South? What are they proud of? Committing treason to keep the right to own people as property or the fact they got their asses kicked as a result of the treason?

67 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 8:56:09pm
The Man With No Self Assessment Skills
68 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 19, 2015 8:57:56pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

Hey wheatdogg, I just noticed that @gotnwes has more RWNJ followers than sane ones.

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UpChuck’s former RWNJ fans discovered @GotNwes after he attacked Holly Hobby Lobby. I’m not sure they understand gotnwes.com has a liberal slant yet.

69 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 8:58:15pm
Still Just $22.35!

zazzle.com

70 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 8:59:05pm
71 EmmaAnne  Jan 19, 2015 9:00:57pm

re: #64 jaunte

To him I respond: what the hell is a grit?

72 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 9:02:46pm

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

UpChuck’s former RWNJ fans discovered @GotNwes after he attacked Holly Hobby Lobby. I’m not sure they understand gotnwes.com has a liberal slant yet.

They see it as a something to look at because their be-knighted Truth Seeker is just UpChuck the floor-pooper. I imagine gotnwes.com gives them a modicum of comfort and happiness. Good on you, wheatdogg!

73 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 19, 2015 9:04:14pm

re: #64 jaunte

That’s the most aw shucks piece of aw shucksiness that I’ve read in quite a while. There are any number of us right here who routinely accomplish things that would make Huckabee’s list look like a brunch at a Swiss finishing school. I can’t speak for anyone else but, I wouldn’t piss on Huckabee if he was on fire because he’s just the wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible type whom I consider more of a threat than any terrorist.

74 EmmaAnne  Jan 19, 2015 9:05:56pm

re: #71 EmmaAnne

Huh. I can’t seem to drag and drop images anymore. Let’s try a jpeg.

What’s a grit
75 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 9:06:18pm

OMGOMGOMG!!!

August 23rd in Denver! I’m so there!

76 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 19, 2015 9:07:14pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

They see it as a something to look at because their be-knighted Truth Seeker is just UpChuck the floor-pooper. I imagine gotnwes.com gives them a modicum of comfort and happiness. Good on you, wheatdogg!

Thanks. It’s kinda fun to mock UpChuck, but it also requires me to check his site every day. It’s quite a sacrifice.

77 Jenner7  Jan 19, 2015 9:08:17pm

Just finished watching The World According to Dick Cheney. My jaw just kept dropping every time that man spoke. He’s absolutely 100% evil.

78 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 9:08:22pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Thanks. It’s kinda fun to mock UpChuck, but it also requires me to check his site every day. It’s quite a sacrifice.

And for that sacrifice, I and the other lizards thank YOU!

:-D

It is actually quite funny!

79 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 9:08:40pm

re: #73 Higgs Boson’s Mate

This book will be very encouraging to people who live in Bubba- ville. And to those who live in Bubble-ville, it will be very enlightening. After you’ve read it, you’ll probably still want to live in your same bubble, but you might at least for the first time really understand those of us you fly over and look down on when you make the LA to New York red-eye flight and wonder, “Just what kind of people live there?” Because most of the movies and television shows portray people living in one of the bubbles, we know you pretty well. We get your unique phrases, attitudes, and even know something about your various neigh- borhoods. But I don’t think you know us very well. We really don’t live in Bugtussle* and we do have indoor plumbing and electricity. So let me introduce you to the land and the people for whom God, guns, grits, and gravy all make perfect sense. After you finish the book, you might just say, “Dang, those good ol’ boys ain’t so dumb after all.”

*I drove through there a couple of weeks ago and I’m pretty sure everyone had indoor plumbing and electricity. He’s written a book about a conflict in his head.
tshaonline.org

80 TedStriker  Jan 19, 2015 9:12:01pm

re: #77 Jenner7

Just finished watching The World According to Dick Cheney. My jaw just kept dropping every time that man spoke. He’s absolutely 100% evil.

Emperor Palpatine, for real.

81 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 9:12:12pm

We need to cut government so small that we can drown it in a bathtub.

82 Jenner7  Jan 19, 2015 9:13:40pm

Here ya go….
wetheprotesters.org

They’ve had demands from the beginning. These protests aren’t going away.

83 jaunte  Jan 19, 2015 9:23:13pm
84 klystron  Jan 19, 2015 9:24:05pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

His sole stop in CA is in Arcata.

…really?

Guess I won’t be seeing him this tour. :(

85 CuriousLurker  Jan 19, 2015 9:32:34pm

Just wanted to drop this off before I go to bed because… More knee-jerk irrationality. O_o

Added emphasis mine:

French Mayor Bans ANTI-JIHADIST Muslim Film

While Charlie Hebdo returned to Parisian newsstands with a defiant image of a contrite Mohammad emblazoned on its cover, Timbuktu, a much-praised, Oscar-nominated movie by the internationally known Mauritanian director Abderrahmane Sissako was unceremoniously yanked out of a theater in the Paris suburb, Villiers-sur-Marne.

The district, which has a large North African population, is the birthplace of Hayat Boumeddiene, the fugitive companion of the perpetrator of the Hyper Cacher massacre Amedy Coulibaly. The town’s mayor Jacques-Alain Bénisti (a member of the Sarkozy’s Union for a Popular Movement) first called the movie, which he had not seen, “an apology for terrorism” and then had it removed Friday from the Cinema City Casino because he feared that young people might take the jihadists for a model. […]

I just…. Yeah, brilliant. Good going. *smh*

Here’s the trailer:

86 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 19, 2015 9:39:18pm

re: #84 klystron

His sole stop in CA is in Arcata.

…really?

Guess I won’t be seeing him this tour. :(

If the stuff that they’re growing up there in Humboldt County is as good as it used to be neither will they.

87 SteelPH  Jan 19, 2015 9:48:57pm

Poof. 28 now.

88 CuriousLurker  Jan 19, 2015 9:49:43pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

For those of you who weren’t around LGF at the time:

Speaking of Timbuktu, here’s a Page I created two years ago that had to do with some ancient archives that were saved from radical Islamists who were pillaging the area and destroying things, as is their wont. There’s also a full-length BBC documentary about Timbuktu embedded there called African history: The Lost Libraries of Timbuktu.

Okay, sleepy time—g’nite, lizards.

89 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 9:51:53pm
90 klystron  Jan 19, 2015 9:57:35pm

re: #86 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If the stuff that they’re growing up there in Humboldt County is as good as it used to be neither will they.

Haha.

It would have been nice to see one showing within a 5 hour radius of SF.

91 De Kolta Chair  Jan 19, 2015 9:59:28pm
92 BeachDem  Jan 19, 2015 10:11:49pm

re: #83 jaunte

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Tina Dupuy had some of the best responses to D’asshole and comments about Republicans and MLK:

93 teleskiguy  Jan 19, 2015 10:13:38pm

re: #91 De Kolta Chair

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Charles Addams! I was dragged by my parents to a dinner party when I was 13 or so. I got bored quickly and sat down on a couch. I leaned forward and saw a hardcover Chas Addams book on the table. My sense of humor changed that night for the absolute better.

My fav…

94 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 19, 2015 10:23:19pm

re: #93 teleskiguy

Charles Addams! I was dragged by my parents to a dinner party when I was 13 or so. I got bored quickly and sat down on a couch. I leaned forward and saw a hardcover Chas Addams book on the table. My sense of humor changed that night for the absolute better.

My fav…

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I tried to find one of my faves, but no luck yet. It shows a cop ticketing a guy (Uncle Fester?) in a falling rock zone, and the driver is looking upward with a look of glee.

95 Single-handed sailor  Jan 19, 2015 10:52:30pm

I’m looking forward to the Falcon Heavy launch, the most powerful rocket since the Saturn V. Here’s a schedule of SpaceX launches.

96 Ace-o-aces  Jan 19, 2015 11:36:37pm
97 Ace-o-aces  Jan 19, 2015 11:49:57pm

By the way, I was on a family outing today and missed the whole CCJ vs. Hobby Lobby lady blow up. (Trolls trolling trolls, ain’t the internet wonderful). To me, this just reenforces my contention that his wife has kicked him out.

Also:

Just remember this next time Chuck whines about how everyone picked on him because of his (supposed) autism.

98 Jenner7  Jan 20, 2015 12:11:21am

I really enjoyed The Nightly Show. The Daily Show has been so boring lately.

What he said. Maher’s show is pretty much a Muslim hate fest and I’m tired of it.

99 3eff Jeff  Jan 20, 2015 12:32:05am

re: #64 jaunte

What a closed minded asshole.

I can relate to all the stuff he lists there. I barbequed a bunch of pork this weekend. I’ve got delicious leftovers in the fridge. I serve it with proper corn bread and collards. I may not be from the south, but my stepfather is from Mississippi and my wife is from Texas. And southern food is the best American food.

I listened to country music while driving around in a 4x4 today. I don’t just change the tires on it, I do all the maintenance. I put a new air filter and spark plugs in it over the weekend so I can take it to get smogged this week (I’m in California; it’s that year).

I’ve shot guns. It’s fun, but not enough to justify the public health disaster our current laws amount to. Dirt bikes and muddin’ are more fun, anyway.

I don’t “summer” anywhere, I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. It’s gorgeous here nearly year round. And just because my tastes run to the redneck end of the spectrum, doesn’t mean I cannot relate to the people around me. I’ve got friends of all stripes, and I wouldn’t want it any other way. Just hanging out with people exactly like me would be boring. I bet he’s just afraid to try (trust me, Huck, teh gay isn’t contagious; after a decade here, I’m as straight as I ever was).

Also, I bet I could find awesome southern food LA and NYC. But I’m also willing to go into restaurants run by Blah People.

100 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 1:18:32am

re: #99 3eff Jeff

Huckabee’s remarks should raise caution flags for anyone watching the presidential race. A candidate who says he can’t relate to anyone not of his ilk is not someone who should or could represent the people of the USA. He’s being a rural snob, and that’s just as bad as an urban snob.

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 1:25:44am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Huckabee’s remarks should raise caution flags for anyone watching the presidential race. A candidate who says he can’t relate to anyone not of his ilk is not someone who should or could represent the people of the USA. He’s being a rural snob, and that’s just as bad as an urban snob.

It reflects a wider malaise: I always thought that politics was about winning people over to your arguments. But political discourse is degenerating into mere labeling and name-calling: anyone who disagrees with you is a loser, a slacker, a moocher, an Islamist/terrorist sympathizer, a communist/fascist, a bigot, a feminazi, a moonbat, a wingnut, etc…

102 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 1:36:52am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It reflects a wider malaise: I always thought that politics was about winning people over to your arguments. But political discourse is degenerating into mere labeling and name-calling: anyone who disagrees with you is a loser, a slacker, a moocher, an Islamist/terrorist sympathizer, a communist/fascist, a bigot, a feminazi, a moonbat, a wingnut, etc…

It’s the New Politics, aka tribalism or Us vs. Them.

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 2:01:41am

re: #102 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s the New Politics, aka tribalism or Us vs. Them.

In other words, the 1% is playing the masses off against each other: illegal vs legal immigrants, poor urban whites vs poor urban blacks, working women vs stay-at-home mothers, etc…

104 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 2:08:49am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In other words, the 1% is playing the masses off against each other: illegal vs legal immigrants, poor urban whites vs poor urban blacks, working women vs stay-at-home mothers, etc…

Divide and conquer. Divide et impera

105 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 2:16:23am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Huckabee’s remarks should raise caution flags for anyone watching the presidential race. A candidate who says he can’t relate to anyone not of his ilk is not someone who should or could represent the people of the USA. He’s being a rural snob, and that’s just as bad as an urban snob.

Huck’s playing to the rural crowd who will likely carry most of the early GOP primaries. Don’t worry, should he win the nomination, he’ll pivot to his “Aw, shucks” routine to win over moderate voters.

106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 2:18:03am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Divide and conquer. Divide et impera

And when investors want to pool their resources to promote their financial interests, then that is fine, that is The Spirit of Capitalist Free Enterprise, but when workers and consumers seek to pool their resources to found unions and interest groups, that is union thuggery and socialistic collectivism.

107 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 2:28:08am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And when investors want to pool their resources to promote their financial interests, then that is fine, that is The Spirit of Capitalist Free Enterprise, but when workers and consumers seek to pool their resources to found unions and interest groups, that is union thuggery and socialistic collectivism.

Cartels and monopolies — good
Unions and labor associations — bad
Community organizing — really, really bad
GOTV and anything that makes voting easier — CATACLYSMIC!!

108 Bubblehead II  Jan 20, 2015 4:08:49am

Just a quick drive by and then I have to head off to work.

Please, tell me again why we need the Keystone XL pipeline?

Up to 50,000 gallons of oil spilled in Yellowstone River; residents told not to drink water

The massive oil spill happened when the 12-inch pipeline, which crosses the Yellowstone River, ruptured Saturday about 5 miles upstream from Glendive, Montana’s Department of Environmental Quality said. The Bridger Pipeline company shut down the pipeline.

109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 4:09:53am

re: #108 Bubblehead II

Just a quick drive by and then I have to head off to work.

Please, tell me again why we need the Keystone XL pipeline?

Because if we don’t build it, the terrorists win.

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110 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 4:15:15am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because if we don’t build it, the terroristsDemocrats (like Obama) win.

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FTFY

111 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 4:24:38am

re: #110 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

FTFY

We show how much we are devoted to those we love by doing dirty things for them. We show our love of fossil fuels by importing the dirtiest oil we can get our hands on.

112 freetoken  Jan 20, 2015 4:26:03am
113 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:27:06am

Wingnuts hate it, HATE IT when you destroy their bogus quotes.

114 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:31:18am

Bryan Fischer shilling for his Kochmasters:

115 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:32:32am

I seem to remember Jesus saying something about rich people. Something about needles and camels and how hard it is for them to get saved. But what do I know, I’m not a Christian like Bryan.

116 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 4:33:32am

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer shilling for his Kochmasters:

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And who does it benefit, other than the rich man, when he puts that dollar in a bank account, or in stocks, or in a hedge fund? Does it help the poor and the needy, people to whom Christianity’s teachings say we should dedicate ourselves, if the rich man’s wealth is only used to increase said wealth?

117 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:35:45am

I’m such a fucking Communist//

118 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:38:26am

Do a Google image search for “Who will build the roads” and there is a huge pile of Libertarian crazy.

They think that roads just build themselves.

119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 4:38:31am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

I’m such a fucking Communist//

Sure there is. Government can build & repair roads, bridges & infrastructure.This benefits everybody including the rich.]

It would benefit the rich a lot more if they built, maintained and charged us all a fee for those roads.

120 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:39:25am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It would benefit the rich a lot more if they built, maintained and charged us all a fee for those roads.

They want those sweet, sweet tolls but they don’t want to spend any money to actually build and maintain the right of way.

121 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:41:30am

Look, Kochs want gubmit to build them their fucking pipeline so they can sell Canadian oil to China.

122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 4:43:36am

re: #120 The Vicious Babushka

They want those sweet, sweet tolls but they don’t want to spend any money to actually build and maintain the right of way.

Each driver will be given a shovel and bucket of hot tar to fill in any potholes or cracks they might encounter.

123 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:44:43am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Each driver will be given a shovel and bucket of hot tar to fill in any potholes or cracks they might encounter.

Who gets the shovel & hot tar concessions?

124 Patricia Kayden  Jan 20, 2015 4:44:55am

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer shilling for his Kochmasters:

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But resentment and anger directed at the poor or gays or feminists or the left is fine, I guess.

125 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 4:45:27am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

Do a Google image search for “Who will build the roads” and there is a huge pile of Libertarian crazy.

They think that roads just build themselves.

Libertarians are like spoiled children in that they’ve no idea what it’s like to do without. They grew up in an America where roads have existed for decades and just assume that if government went away, the roads would remain. Of course, these are the same assholes who will then bitch up a storm because a stretch of road they travel often is full of potholes or unlit at night and demand government fix the problem.

126 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:45:27am

Here’s some good advice for ChuckyC:

127 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 4:45:55am

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

Who gets the shovel & hot tar concessions?

They simply get salvage rights for any vehicles left abandoned on roadway due to breakdowns

128 Dark_Falcon  Jan 20, 2015 4:51:05am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Look, Kochs want gubmit to build them their fucking pipeline so they can sell Canadian oil to China.

No, they want the government to let the pipeline be built. The US Federal government would not be paying for Keystone XL’s construction, though it would incur costs related to its regulation and monitoring.

129 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:54:33am

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

No, they want the government to let the pipeline be built. The US Federal government would not be paying for Keystone XL’s construction, though it would incur costs related to its regulation and monitoring.

They want gubmit to seize property for them through eminent domain. There is a lot of stuff the Kochmasters expect gubmit to do for them, because they are the biggest Crony Capitalists of all time.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 4:56:01am

When his fans start getting cranky, he always has a “plan”:

131 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 4:57:53am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

When his fans start getting cranky, he always has a “plan”:

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Who says it’s his plan? Maybe it’s somebody else’s plan for him?

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 5:04:44am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

Speaking of Chucky C, LGF gets a shout out from Jezebel on that Holly Fisher thing.

hahahaa (tweet exchange between CCJ and the Jezebel reporter)…

133 Thanos  Jan 20, 2015 5:08:43am

Signs you are in a Louisiana No Go zone: Trailer parks, Confederate flags, beer fridges on porches, and lawn jockeys.

134 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 20, 2015 5:16:38am

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

No, they want the government to let the pipeline be built. The US Federal government would not be paying for Keystone XL’s construction, though it would incur costs related to its regulation and monitoring.

And we’d suffer all the damages when it inevitably breaks down and leaks toxic oil all over the place. All of the risk. None of the reward. No thanks.

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 5:17:11am

re: #133 Thanos

Signs you are in a Louisiana No Go zone: Trailer parks, Confederate flags, beer fridges on porches, and lawn jockeys.

136 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 5:17:27am

Ah, so Sandra Fluke is the “slut”.

137 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 5:20:14am

If this were the Obamas, the right-wing fake outrage would be deafening:

138 Thanos  Jan 20, 2015 5:24:33am

Signs you are in a Louisiana No Go zone: Exorcisms.

139 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 20, 2015 5:40:05am

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has condemned Islamic State for taking two men hostage. The militants are threatening to kill the pair unless they receive a $200 million (172,764 euros) ransom in the next 72 hours.

These are the people whom Ben Carson compared to American patriots willing to die for their freedom. I read that FOX News, always eager to wag the TeaBircher dog, had Carson on the O’Reilly Factor last week where Carson doubled down on his original statement aided by cries of “Liberal media” and “taken out of context” from O’Reilly. Normally I’d say that Carson just destroyed his chances for 2016 but, in a Bizzaro World where Ferguson protestors are identified as thugs and looters I’d say that Carson has a better than average shot at VP to whichever rich guy the Republicans nominate.

140 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 20, 2015 5:45:39am

We have enough problems with our own pipelines. We don’t need a foreign country coming in and making things worse.

cnn.com

(CNN)A Montana pipeline burst sent as much as 50,400 gallons of oil gushing into the Yellowstone River, prompting the governor to declare a state of emergency.

Residents in nearby cities were told not to drink the tap water, which some said smelled like diesel.

The massive oil spill happened when the 12-inch pipeline, which crosses the Yellowstone River, ruptured Saturday about 5 miles upstream from Glendive, Montana’s Department of Environmental Quality said. The Bridger Pipeline company shut down the pipeline.

Glendive City Council member Gerald Reichert was among the residents who noticed a disturbing odor in the drinking water.

“Suddenly at our house there was a definite smell. It was a diesel smell,” Reichert told the Grand Forks Herald.

141 Timothy Watson  Jan 20, 2015 6:04:55am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

When his fans start getting cranky, he always has a “plan”:

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Just like how the Cylons had a “plan”.

142 BigPapa  Jan 20, 2015 6:06:16am

Networking question:

I’ve had a few clients complain about temporary loss of internet. The general consensus seems to be no internet but it comes back later. I’ve tried hammering and tweaking on the WiFi access points, but still getting reports of periodical internet loss that mysteriously comes back.

Location 1: Arris modem/router provided by ISP
Location 2: Motorola Surfboard modem with ProSafe router provided by me
Location 3: Arris modem/router provided by ISP (different model than Loc 1)
Location 4: Motorola Surfboard modem (diff than Loc 2) with Engenius router/access point

Location 4 is my own house. The other locations are within a few miles of each other, and we’re all within 20 miles or so, with the same ISP (Oceanic).

What happens to me: internet working and humming along, then all of the sudden page loads hang and time out. When this happens, I could ping Google 8.8.8.8. After 5-10 mins max, web surfing comes back. The first few times it happened I rebooted my router, but the last few times I left it on and hammered on testing it until internet came back up.

Also, when internet down, Chrome gives me a Details message about DNS server not resolving. I think that’s a clue.

I think our ISP has a problem but don’t know exactly what it is. Or how to get them to fix it.

Charles? Anybody?

143 Timothy Watson  Jan 20, 2015 6:06:46am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

I’m such a fucking Communist//

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Marginal utility and economics, how the frak do those work?

144 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 6:09:03am

re: #140 GlutenFreeJesus

The pipeline that leaked in to the Yellowstone River near Billings MT isn’t far away from the proposed routing of the Keystone XL that will cross both the Yellowstone and Missouri Rivers in Montana before heading south.

But the proponents keep saying that it’ll be safe. Right up until it isn’t. And by that point, the environmental damage will be significant.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 20, 2015 6:09:52am

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

I seem to remember Jesus saying something about rich people. Something about needles and camels and how hard it is for them to get saved. But what do I know, I’m not a Christian like Bryan.

From what I’ve seen, you live closer to what that good Jewish man taught than Bryan ever will.

146 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 20, 2015 6:12:31am

re: #144 lawhawk

Yup. And who is going to suffer all the consequences? Residents both human and animal.

147 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 6:13:49am

re: #142 BigPapa

North Koreans. It’s gotta be the North Koreans.

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148 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 6:17:21am

re: #138 Thanos

Signs you are in a Louisiana No Go zone: Exorcisms.

I was going to say speed traps where the speed limit goes from highway speeds to local traffic speeds over the span of a mile or where a locality turns an Interstate into its own personal piggy bank; all to garner ticket revenues.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 6:19:33am

re: #144 lawhawk

The pipeline that leaked in to the Yellowstone River near Billings MT isn’t far away from the proposed routing of the Keystone XL that will cross both the Yellowstone and Missouri Rivers in Montana before heading south.

But the proponents keep saying that it’ll be safe. Right up until it isn’t. And by that point, the environmental damage will be significant.

And tar sands oil isn’t considered crude oil, so TransCanada/Keystone isn’t required to contribute to the federal oil spill liability trust fund.
And then there’s this:

TransCanada’s one-sided, often forced, contracts tell landowners they should, at the property owner’s expense, take out liability insurance because economic damages to land and water are not covered under any federal law when a spill happens. On top of that, TransCanada leaves the pipeline in the ground for the landowner to dig up and restore the soil once TransCanada is finished using that massive piece of foreign steel. Again, at the landowners’ risk and the landowners’ expense.

Eminent domain fine and dandy for Keystone-obsessed GOP

150 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 6:19:44am

W…T…F?!

151 BigPapa  Jan 20, 2015 6:21:52am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

North Koreans. It’s gotta be the North Koreans.

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Dammit, forgot the ‘First North Koreans joke GETS IT’ disclaimer.

So the next North Koreans joke GETS IT.

152 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 6:23:36am

Whoops? IDF meant to target “low ranking targets, not Iranian general and high ranking Hizbullah figures?”

Seriously?

Iranian Revolutionary Guard General Mohammed Allahdadi was killed with a Hezbollah commander and the son of the group’s late military leader, Imad Moughniyeh, in Sunday’s attack on a Hezbollah convoy in the Syrian Golan Heights.

Hezbollah, which is backed by Iran and fought a 34-day war with Israel in 2006, said six of its members died in the strike.

Tehran has vowed to strike back. “These martyrdoms proved the need to stick with jihad. The Zionists must await ruinous thunderbolts,” Revolutionary Guards’ chief General Mohammad Ali Jafari was quoted on Tuesday as saying by Fars news agency.

“The Revolutionary Guards will fight to the end of the Zionist regime… We will not rest easy until this epitome of vice is totally deleted from the region’s geopolitics.”

Asked if Israel expected Iranian or Hezbollah retaliation for the air strike, the source said: “They are almost certain to respond. We are anticipating that, but I think it’s a fair assumption that a major escalation is not in the interest of either side.”

Troops and civilians in northern Israel are on heightened alert and Israel has deployed an Iron Dome rocket interceptor unit near the Syrian border.

“We did not expect the outcome in terms of the stature of those killed - certainly not the Iranian general,” the source said. “We thought we were hitting an enemy field unit that was on its way to carry out an attack on us at the frontier fence.”

“We got the alert, we spotted the vehicle, identified it was an enemy vehicle and took the shot. We saw this as a limited tactical operation.”

In other words, they’re trying to claim that they didn’t know who they were targeting, and “got lucky” in that the targets were HVTs?

Is that truly believable? I don’t really think so. I think this is Israel’s way of trying to roll back the fact that they targeted these guys on purpose, and it’s not a particularly good excuse. Israel has been trying to track HVTs in Syria and Lebanon for years, and Israel has been targeting transfers of gear/personnel between Syria and Lebanon for years. Israel has struck at targets inside Syria and Lebanon in the past where they suspected weapons transfers, so to now claim that they struck this particular vehicle even though they didn’t know who was inside was a high value target like an Iranian general or the son of Hizbullah’s former leader (who had himself been killed) rings hollow.

Frankly, the claim that they didn’t know raises more questions, and could get Israel in more trouble with the ICC (where everyone who’s opposed to Israel’s existence seems to want to bring Israeli leaders to account for their actions) than for retaliating for Hamas launch a war against Israel last year.

153 A Mom Anon  Jan 20, 2015 6:24:03am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the people who want this pipeline should volunteer to let it run through their backyards and through their kids’ school playgrounds. Why not? It’s so safe, why the hell not? If not, then maybe they ought to STFU. It’s not going to help America AT ALL. The crappy, dirty oil will end up being shipped out of here to other parts of the world, how does that help us? Of course the thing may not get built if there’s not a shit ton of money to be made, so there’s hope.

154 Mike Lamb  Jan 20, 2015 6:25:09am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

When his fans start getting cranky, he always has a “plan”:

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1. Collect underpants/dox

2. ????

3. Profit

155 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 6:26:33am

re: #142 BigPapa

Can you ping your ISP? You can also use tracert (Windows command line) to check how long each hop to a site takes.

Can you change the DNS settings on your router manually? Maybe the ISP’s DNS server is wonky.

I have the same problem here, but I chalk it up to the net nannies in China choking the access points to the outside world. Chinese sites load lickety split. American sites load erratically.

156 Mattand  Jan 20, 2015 6:26:55am

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

No, they want the government to let the pipeline be built. The US Federal government would not be paying for Keystone XL’s construction, though it would incur costs related to its regulation and monitoring.

Hell, after the first catastrophic spill, the pipeline will pay for itself!

157 Mike Lamb  Jan 20, 2015 6:27:45am

re: #137 Dr. Matt

If this were the Obamas, the right-wing fake outrage would be deafening:

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I don’t know about rage, but there would be a torrent of racism about “native dancing” complete with references to Natasha and Malia as sluts and/or “twerking”.

158 Mattand  Jan 20, 2015 6:28:20am

re: #137 Dr. Matt

If this were the Obamas, the right-wing fake outrage would be deafening:

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I was never ashamed of being whtie until I saw that picture.

159 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 6:32:55am

re: #153 A Mom Anon

There is one possible benefit- the pipeline would reduce the need to transport the same tar sands petroleum products by rail, where there have been several high profile derailments, including one in Quebec that essentially leveled a town.

That benefit, however, is outweighed by the following facts:
1) the pipelines still cross sensitive wetlands and aquifers, that, if damaged, could cause irreparable harm;
2) companies are already routing that oil around the proposed pipeline and the purpose of the pipeline is to feed refineries on the Gulf Coast for export elsewhere;
3) This is from Canadian tar sands, and Canadians have chosen not to build refineries and pipelines within Canada to its own coasts for export; and
4) At current prices, it doesn’t make any sense to build out this capacity because it’s not cost effective to drill, refine, and bring to market.

That’s one of the reasons that tar sands were last to get tapped for oil drilling; they weren’t cost effective unless the cost of oil per barrel was up around $100 a barrel. With oil at half that price, there’s no incentive to tap that oil. And the other exporting nations aren’t cutting production either even though demand has slackened worldwide (but not in the US, where economic growth is still forecast - and the lower oil prices has meant billions more for people to spend on goods and services rather than flowing into the energy companies alone).

160 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 6:33:01am

re: #158 Mattand

I was never ashamed of being whtie until I saw that picture.

Ironically, the Cha Cha Slide originated in Chicago, home of all those “thugs” the RWNJs always imagine live there.

161 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 6:35:00am

re: #159 lawhawk

So, you’re saying the pipeline, at current oil price levels, is a big boondoggle, which will lose money for investors as long as Brent oil remains under $100/bbl.

162 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 20, 2015 6:36:30am

We learn from the misfortunes of others sometimes right?

The scene of yesterdays fire. A $25 UL rated power-strip and a $5 breaker in the socket both failed. During off hours. Sprinklers put it out before the FD broke in. The material is an acid resistant polycarbonate that partially burned and certainly melted.

Folks, test your circuit breakers regularly. Home and work. Sometimes the fail mode is power on rather than off.

163 darthstar  Jan 20, 2015 6:36:51am

Hello again, internet. Happy Monday Tuesday.

So…what did I miss?

164 BigPapa  Jan 20, 2015 6:37:21am

re: #155 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Can you ping your ISP? You can also use tracert (Windows command line) to check how long each hop to a site takes.

Can you change the DNS settings on your router manually? Maybe the ISP’s DNS server is wonky.

I have the same problem here, but I chalk it up to the net nannies in China choking the access points to the outside world. Chinese sites load lickety split. American sites load erratically.

I’m getting 12 hops with the longest 79ms, so not bad at all. I’ll run a trace router next time it’s wonky.

All of my accounts are DHCP on the WAN side so not all of the routers can static the DNS but DHCP the IP.

165 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 6:40:48am

re: #73 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That’s the most aw shucks piece of aw shucksiness that I’ve read in quite a while. There are any number of us right here who routinely accomplish things that would make Huckabee’s list look like a brunch at a Swiss finishing school. I can’t speak for anyone else but, I wouldn’t piss on Huckabee if he was on fire because he’s just the wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible type whom I consider more of a threat than any terrorist.

If you haven’t shovelled pig shit on to a skid, driven a tractor, slaughtered a steer, cleaned out a chicken coup, shit in an outhouse, (gag) moved an outhouse (gag), or changed out a transmission in -20C weather, you haven’t really experienced rural life.

166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 6:43:39am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

When his fans start getting cranky, he always has a “plan”:

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And a cunning one at that, I’ll venture…

167 darthstar  Jan 20, 2015 6:43:45am
168 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 6:48:36am

Looks like there’s a whole series of motorcycle helmet covers: Cookie Monster, Elmo, Minions. Animal one makes the most sense though.

ironhorsehelmets.com

169 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 6:49:04am

So, I haven’t seen either Selma or American Sniper, so I can’t comment on the technical merits, the acting, or the stories embodied in either movie. But I can comment on the fact that some people have turned both into a litmus test of sorts.

Chris Kyle was a flawed person. We all are. He was a sniper in the military, and while the movie is supposed to focus on his exploits overseas, and some of the consequences of his actions when he returned back home, it offers up a limited view of what he actually did.

His estate’s battles with Jesse Ventura (another servicemember who served in the SEALs before going into the WWF and then politics), for one. Kyle’s estate lost a defamation suit, which raises questions about Kyle’s honesty and actions before his untimely death at a firing range where he was trying to help another servicemember who was dealing with PTSD.

So, it is possible that the movie was faithful to Kyle’s book and family’s views, and the artistic choices to limit what made it to the screen can serve to turn what’s a largely biographical story into a hagiography.

Meanwhile, some of the same criticisms are being leveled against Selma, which takes a look at MLK’s life during the period around the Selma march. It’s a limited snapshot of MLK’s life, rather than a sweeping view of his entire life. Those limitations and choices are also questioned when dealing with how LBJ was portrayed.

Well, having studied the civil rights movement way back when in college, and also visiting the LBJ ranch this past November and reading up on his actions in the civil rights legislation, the fact is that LBJ was a SOB and the question is not whether he was for or against the civil rights agenda, but rather how he could make it work for him politically. At points, MLK and LBJ could work together on the subject, but at others, they were at loggerheads. It was a complex relationship - as most relationships are.

But in the end, we’re talking about movies here; they’re entertainment. I’m not going to see them for education purposes. I’m certainly not going to see them for the history or autobiographies of either Kyle or MLK.

If they get you thinking about the civil rights movement (in Selma’s case), then that’s awesome. Then go get yourself a copy of Eyes on the Prize or other extraordinary books about the civil rights movement and just what was at stake here.

Or that the civil rights movement didn’t end with the passage of the VRA or CRA; the battle for equal rights and equal protection under the law continues to this day as unequal protection under the law continues with racial profiling and officer-involved shootings and excessive force incidents where those who are killed are disproportionately black and the law enforcement members are not indicted, let alone prosecuted (or convicted). It’s an ongoing struggle.

If American Sniper gets you thinking about what we order our troops to do, and the lack of support once they return stateside, then that too has served a purpose. Far too many people who saw combat overseas do not get sufficient support for their mental health; which is just as critical as their physical health. PTSD is insidious and takes many forms, and can lead to suicide or physical harms to others. We, as a nation, simply don’t do enough to care for those who serve once they return stateside. Out of sight, out of mind.

And that has to change too.

170 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 6:49:35am

I’m liking Marvel’s Agent Carter. It’s pretty well done.

171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 6:51:36am

re: #169 lawhawk

But in the end, we’re talking about movies here; they’re entertainment. I’m not going to see them for education purposes. I’m certainly not going to see them for the history or autobiographies of either Kyle or MLK.

We are dealing with people who cannot tell the difference between a collection of Holy Scriptures and a science textbook. Good luck in convincing them that Hollywood movies are not history texts…

172 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 6:52:45am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are dealing with people who cannot tell the difference between a collection of Holy Scriptures and a science textbook. Good luck in convincing them that Hollywood movies are not history texts…

You mean, Red Dawn is not a documentary? Aw, shucks.

173 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 6:54:42am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Wait, you mean 300 wasn’t truthful? All those gorgeous looking men with armor and weapons that weren’t period appropriate with those slow-motion death-strikes wasn’t accurate? ////11ty

You mean that Inglorious Basterds wasn’t how WWII ended in Europe? I could have sworn that Shoshana killed all the German high command at a Parisian movie theater. And that there was an Apache and a Bear Jew involved too. ///

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 6:55:12am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are dealing with people who cannot tell the difference between a collection of Holy Scriptures and a science textbook. Good luck in convincing them that Hollywood movies are not history texts…

But “Exodus: Gods and Kings” just delivered the facts about how Batman saved the Jews from the Egyptians!
///

175 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 6:55:32am

re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I’m liking Marvel’s Agent Carter. It’s pretty well done.

It’s a documentary of life in the OSS/CIA don’t ya know. That’s why it’s so authentic looking. ////

176 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 6:58:41am
177 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 6:59:35am

re: #175 lawhawk

It’s a documentary of life in the OSS/CIA don’t ya know. That’s why it’s so authentic looking. ////

I just read the wikipedia entry on it. The costume designer is familiar with the period, sourced fabrics with the look and feel of period clothing, and has tailored each actor’s costume to suit the character. Plus, the late 1940’s cars help.

But I know what you mean.

178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 6:59:43am

re: #173 lawhawk

Wait, you mean 300 wasn’t truthful? All those gorgeous looking men with armor and weapons that weren’t period appropriate with those slow-motion death-strikes wasn’t accurate? ////11ty

Yeah, I was bummed out to find the Persians did not use battle Rhinos.

But it did not prevent the Iranian Ministry of Culture from complaining about the way it portrayed their historical forbears.

A movie based on a comic book…

179 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:02:18am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yeah, I was bummed out to find the Persians did not use battle Rhinos.

But it did not prevent the Iranian Ministry of Culture from complaining about the way it portrayed their historical forbears.

A movie based on a comic book…

That gave rise to a wingnut slogan about GUNZ, which were not even used in the movie

180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 7:04:22am

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

That gave rise to a wingnut slogan about GUNZ, which were not even used in the movie

You can have this battle rhinoceros when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 7:04:34am

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

That gave rise to a wingnut slogan about GUNZ, which were not even used in the movie

If the 300 Spartans had had guns, they could have beat the entire Persian army.

182 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:05:51am

re: #181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

If the 300 Spartans had had guns, they could have beat the entire Persian army.

IF TEH JUICE HAD GUNZ, & TEH NAZIS HAD BOWS & ARROWS, THEY WOULD HAVE STOPPED TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!1!!!!

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 7:08:46am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

IF TEH JUICE HAD GUNZ, & TEH NAZIS HAD BOWS & ARROWS, THEY WOULD HAVE STOPPED TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!1!!!!

That’s in line with that stupid cartoon where all the airline passengers have guns while the “terrorists” have box cutters.

184 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:09:29am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s in line with that stupid cartoon where all the airline passengers have guns while the “terrorists” have box cutters.

STUPIDEST. 9/11. CARTOON. EVER.

Wingnut 9/11 fantasy
185 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 7:10:03am

Crazy footage from Sunday when the NYC metro area turned into an ice-skating rink.

Guy’s taping footage of a jackknifed tractor trailer ahead, when he hears squealing brakes behind him - and a tandem tractor going way too fast begins jackknifing, then jumps the barrier between car and truck lanes on the NJ Turnpike, before jackknifing and blocking all traffic. Just missed the car that was on the side of the road taping all this - and the driver then drove on the median to get clear of the accidents in case of more drivers that couldn’t stop in time.

186 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 7:10:34am

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST. 9/11. CARTOON. EVER.

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Looks like an armed black person in the lower right….

187 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 7:10:45am

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

Right, because the terrorists might not have been carrying guns either? Who are these idiots kidding?

And it’s not like terrorists haven’t blown up planes before - and one of the al Qaeda plots involved multiple bombings simultaneously - Operation Bojinka.

188 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:11:58am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

mythomane

PRONUNCIATION:
(MITH-uh-mayn)

MEANING:
noun: One having a tendency to exaggerate or lie.
adjective: Having a tendency to exaggerate or lie.

ETYMOLOGY:
From Greek mythos (myth) + -mania (excessive enthusiasm or craze). Earliest documented use: 1954.

USAGE:
“[Laura Cumming’s portrait] … of the mythomane, egomaniac, and relentlessly self-promoting Gustave Courbet, who somehow nonetheless remains true to himself through all the lies, is hilarious and oddly heart-warming.”
Simon Callow; On Self-Portraits by Laura Cumming; The Guardian (London, UK); Jul 25, 2009.

189 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 7:12:00am

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

Ah, yes, untrained civilians in a literal circular firing squad while in-flight…what could possibly go wrong?

190 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 7:12:53am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Looks like an armed black person in the lower right….

Another, top left. Brother’s be packin’ heat. //

191 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:12:58am

re: #185 lawhawk

Crazy footage from Sunday when the NYC metro area turned into an ice-skating rink.

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Guy’s taping footage of a jackknifed tractor trailer ahead, when he hears squealing brakes behind him - and a tandem tractor going way too fast begins jackknifing, then jumps the barrier between car and truck lanes on the NJ Turnpike, before jackknifing and blocking all traffic. Just missed the car that was on the side of the road taping all this - and the driver then drove on the median to get clear of the accidents in case of more drivers that couldn’t stop in time.

BLACK ICE scares the shit out of me. Especially because so many of our driveways and parking lots are black top.

192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 7:12:58am

re: #189 Dr. Matt

Ah, yes, untrained civilians in a literal circular firing squad while in-flight…what could possibly go wrong?

Someone might try to restrict their 2nd Amendment rights and they would have to defend themselves…

193 b.d.  Jan 20, 2015 7:13:09am

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST. 9/11. CARTOON. EVER.

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So every one of those people would be allowed on a plane with a gun except for Muslims? Middle Easterners can only have box cutters.

194 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:13:18am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Looks like an armed black person in the lower right….

Armed Black KID in the lower right, armed Black man in upper left.

Doesn’t make the circular firing squad any less stupid.

195 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:13:43am

re: #173 lawhawk

Wait, you mean 300 wasn’t truthful? All those gorgeous looking men with armor and weapons that weren’t period appropriate with those slow-motion death-strikes wasn’t accurate? ////11ty

You mean that Inglorious Basterds wasn’t how WWII ended in Europe? I could have sworn that Shoshana killed all the German high command at a Parisian movie theater. And that there was an Apache and a Bear Jew involved too. ///

300 wasn’t truthful, but was a kick-ass movie!!!

196 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 7:13:49am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

Armed Black KID in the lower right, armed Black man in upper left.

Doesn’t make the circular firing squad any less stupid.

We know what happens to black people when they reach for guns…

197 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 7:14:15am

re: #189 Dr. Matt

Ah, yes, untrained civilians in a literal circular firing squad while in-flight…what could possibly go wrong?

They missed that the stewardess with the AK-47 in the service cart was actually with the boys with the box cutters? (They were obviously a diversion.)
///

198 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:14:17am

re: #193 b.d.

So every one of those people would be allowed on a plane with a gun except for Muslims? Middle Easterners can only have box cutters.

What aircraft are they on that allows everyone to crowd up at the front like that?

199 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 7:15:11am

re: #187 lawhawk

Right, because the terrorists might not have been carrying guns either? Who are these idiots kidding?

These idiots either have a short memory and/or have zero grasp of reality. The reason why metal detectors were installed at airports in the US is because gun-nut idiots kept hijacking airplanes.

200 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 7:15:26am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

What aircraft are they on that allows everyone to crowd up at the front like that?

Calibre Air. It’s a startup out of Somalia.

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 7:15:30am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

What aircraft are they on that allows everyone to crowd up at the front like that?

Maybe only the 1st class passengers are allowed to be armed?
/

202 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:16:00am

LOLWHUT==>

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 7:16:03am

re: #199 Dr. Matt

These idiots either have a short memory and/or have zero grasp of reality. The reason why metal detectors were installed at airports in the US is because gun-nut idiots kept hijacking airplanes.

To Cuba!
/

204 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:16:20am

re: #181 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

If the 300 Spartans had had guns, they could have beat the entire Persian army.

What kind of ammo would have taken down the big Persian King?

I have to laugh because at a Firearm Safety Course years ago the instructors showed us this big ass cartridge. I asked “What do you kill with that?” (thinking elephant or hippo).

The instructor answered, with a total straight face, “a truck.”

I started laughing and they didn’t. Then I said “Really?” Totally not believing them.

Then a whole group of male gun nuts began explaining military check points to me.

205 Timothy Watson  Jan 20, 2015 7:18:00am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yeah, I was bummed out to find the Persians did not use battle Rhinos.

But it did not prevent the Iranian Ministry of Culture from complaining about the way it portrayed their historical forbears.

A movie based on a comic book…

Given that Frank Miller is a raging racist wingnut, I don’t blame Iran.

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 7:19:59am

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

What kind of ammo would have taken down the big Persian King?

I have to laugh because at a Firearm Safety Course years ago the instructors showed us this big ass cartridge. I asked “What do you kill with that?” (thinking elephant or hippo).

The instructor answered, with a total straight face, “a truck.”

I started laughing and they didn’t. Then I said “Really?” Totally not believing them.

Then a whole group of male gun nuts began explaining military check points to me.

Yep. .50 BMG probably.

en.wikipedia.org

Though my one cousin has an umbrella stand made from the brass casing used for 90mm tank gun rounds. Her husband was an M-48 crewman - including a stint in ‘Nam.

207 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:20:33am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yeah, I was bummed out to find the Persians did not use battle Rhinos.

But it did not prevent the Iranian Ministry of Culture from complaining about the way it portrayed their historical forbears.

A movie based on a comic book graphic novel…

ftfy :)

208 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:22:08am

re: #206 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep. .50 BMG probably.

en.wikipedia.org

Though my one cousin has an umbrella stand made from the brass casing used for 90mm tank gun rounds. Her husband was an M-48 crewman - including a stint in ‘Nam.

Yeah, the one on the far left —“will stop a truck cold.”

209 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 7:23:15am

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

ftfy :)

Googled “what is the difference between a comic book and a graphic novel?” and got:

“Both comic books and graphic novels use a combination of illustrations and words to tell a story. That story can be anything, whether it’s fiction or non-fiction, the tale of a superhero or of a zombie apocalypse. The difference isn’t so much in the content, but in the presentation.

Comic books are serialized stories; most are relatively short, and tell the story of the book’s heroes and heroines over a long period of time. There are usually many, many issues of a successful comic book, and the stories unfold over months and sometimes years.”

210 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:23:16am

re: #201 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe only the 1st class passengers are allowed to be armed?
/

Only their bodyguards!

211 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:23:56am

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT==>

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It seems everyone has a beef with Karen Armstrong.

212 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 7:24:25am

re: #208 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, the one on the far left —“will stop a truck cold.”

Yep. Can penetrate engine blocks. Also brick and concrete cinder block walls.

213 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:24:56am

re: #211 FemNaziBitch

It seems everyone has a beef with Karen Armstrong.

She pays for everyone’s burgers?

214 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:25:07am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Googled “what is the difference between a comic book and a graphic novel?” and got:

“Both comic books and graphic novels use a combination of illustrations and words to tell a story. That story can be anything, whether it’s fiction or non-fiction, the tale of a superhero or of a zombie apocalypse. The difference isn’t so much in the content, but in the presentation.

Comic books are serialized stories; most are relatively short, and tell the story of the book’s heroes and heroines over a long period of time. There are usually many, many issues of a successful comic book, and the stories unfold over months and sometimes years.”

All I know is that people who are in to Graphic Novels think there is a big difference.

IMHO, it’s been people who don’t have either the patience (ADD) or the reading skills to read a non-picture book.

215 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:26:45am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

She pays for everyone’s burgers?

As far as I know. My only experience with her is from a transcript of an NPR interview about something. She seemed knowledgeable and ok, but that is only one experience.

I know the wingnuts hate her because she describes Islam in rational terms—pointing out that not all muslims are terrorists.

216 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 7:27:33am

Just reading the post downstairs about the GOP’s newest Man in Leadership, Steve Scalise, being one of the few, proud opponents of MLK Day.

(shakes head).

You’d think it wouldn’t be difficult for a major political party to find someone from within its ranks to serve in leadership who could have managed to support the MLK Day (and someone who would have managed to stay away from David Duke or his associates). These are small things, really. Shouldn’t be difficult to find someone possessing a minimal level of decency and political sense.

But apparently….

217 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:28:41am
218 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:28:46am

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

As far as I know. My only experience with her is from a transcript of an NPR interview about something. She seemed knowledgeable and ok, but that is only one experience.

I know the wingnuts hate her because she describes Islam in rational terms—pointing out that not all muslims are terrorists.

And yet in that excerpt she equates all Juice with “conquerors of Palestine”

219 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 7:28:52am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

Morningish everyone!

FemNazBitch…that word should also be the INTERNET WORD OF THE DAY. It does fit the goings-on of the ‘net where people can be the fakes they always wanted to be. Or, the greatest journalists ever. Heck, just read those Tweet Bios of the RWNJs…the very definition.

So, I read through the thread. I see Dark_Falcon really went out on a limb saying he would never vote for Bobby Jindal if he is the Republican nominee. Way to risk your party cred there Dark!

Also, I see I cannot relate to Mike Huckabee. No big surprise there. What a bozo. I wonder if Dark_Falcon could vote for him over Bobby J?

Nice to see a comment from A Mom Anon. I hope Mom is doing well. Last time I remember reading anything from her she was pretty much at wits end. I hope things have worked out for you/her. Hi Mom!

I know one thing. I am already sick of the 2016 elections. The process is such a mess any more. Thank you Tea Party for all you have done to totally screw up the already screwed up Republican party. Can we build a pipeline through Huckabee Country, run the GOP/TeaParty candidates through it and then ship them off to some foreign land? I think I could get behind that pipeline!

Busy day ahead…I’ll be doing the in and out reading thing.

220 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 7:29:04am

Play Doom with your toaster.

221 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:30:49am

re: #219 ObserverArt

Morningish everyone!

FemNazBitch…that word should also be the INTERNET WORD OF THE DAY. It does fit the goings-on of the ‘net where people can be the fakes they always wanted to be. Or, the greatest journalists ever. Heck, just read those Tweet Bios of the RWNJs…the very definition.

So, I read through the thread. I see Dark_Falcon really went out on a limb saying he would never vote for Bobby Jindal is he is the Republican nominee. Way to risk your party cred there Dark!

Also, I see I cannot relate to Mike Huckabee. No big surprise there. What a bozo. I wonder if Dark_Falcon could vote for him over Bobby J?

Nice to see a comment from A Mom Anon. I hope Mom is doing well. Last time I remember reading anything from her she was pretty much at wits end. I hope things have worked out for you/her. Hi Mom!

I know one thing. I am already sick of the 2016 elections. The process is such a mess any more. Thank you Tea Party for all you have done to totally screw up the already screwed up Republican party. Can we build a pipeline through Huckabee Country, run the GOP/TeaParty candidates through it and then ship them off to some foreign land? I think I could get behind that pipeline!

Busy day ahead…I’ll be doing the in and out reading thing.

Elections are an industry. American is a business …

222 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:31:50am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

And yet in that excerpt she equates all Juice with “conquerors of Palestine”

I think I’d have to read the entire passage and know the context before I’d trust the excerpt. We all know about cherry picking.

223 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:32:34am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

I think I’d have to read the entire passage and know the context before I’d trust the excerpt. We all know about cherry picking.

I Googled that paragraph but can’t find a copy of the essay.

224 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:34:16am
225 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 7:34:30am
226 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 20, 2015 7:34:54am

re: #220 Amory Blaine

Considering there is a tank nicknamed the doom toaster in WoT this would be hilarious.

227 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 7:38:44am

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

Elections are an industry. American is a business …

Industries and business have regulations. I want a regulation that says no mention of running for elective office prior to the calendar of that election…or something.

I know it won’t happen. But I do not remember presidential elections starting in December, one month after the last election. Then again…we didn’t have 600 channels of TV and the ‘net either.

Never mind! I can always turn it all off and draw or play guitar or drums.

228 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 7:41:39am

CCJ went to prep school?

229 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 7:42:48am

Bryan is shilling hard for Mammon and withholding from Caesar

230 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 20, 2015 7:42:52am

re: #228 Amory Blaine

CCJ went to prep school?

Milton Academy in Boston somewhere.

231 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 20, 2015 7:43:13am

re: #228 Amory Blaine

Typo. He meant poop school.

232 Mattand  Jan 20, 2015 7:44:22am

Actual headline from CNN:

Little to lose: Obama goes into Robin Hood mode

Just change your name to “Fox Lite” and fucking be done with it already.

233 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 7:44:41am

re: #98 Jenner7

I really enjoyed The Nightly Show. The Daily Show has been so boring lately.

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What he said. Maher’s show is pretty much a Muslim hate fest and I’m tired of it.

He was also dabbling with anti-vaxxer shit on last weeks show. His shtick is stale.

234 Mattand  Jan 20, 2015 7:48:43am

re: #233 Amory Blaine

He was also dabbling with anti-vaxxer shit on last weeks show. His shtick is stale.

I just read about the most recent anti-vax stuff over at Respectful Insolence. I was pretty much done with Maher with the latest “All I’m saying is most Muslims are pro-terrorist” bullshit. This just clinches it for me.

If I had heard or watched the segment, I’d be out shopping for a new TV or iPhone right now.

235 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 7:52:32am

re:
#229

I guess Bryan doesn’t care about the deficit, then.

///

236 Timothy Watson  Jan 20, 2015 7:56:22am

I forgot the SOTU is tonight, I was trying to figure out why Person of Interest is bumped tonight.

Thanks, Obama.

237 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 7:56:47am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

Bryan is shilling hard for Mammon and withholding from Caesar

Don’t let them lie to you: rich are paying fair share. Top 1% paying more than bottom 95% combined.

In other words, if they got off their lazy asses and were more productive, we would have a smaller deficit!!!

238 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 8:01:28am

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In other words, if they got off their lazy asses and were more productive, we would have a smaller deficit!!!

Thing is, virtually every wingnut I’ve talked to believes this. Hence why they support the idea of “broadening the tax base,” i.e. raising taxes on the poor.

239 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 8:03:52am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Thing is, virtually every wingnut I’ve talked to believes this. Hence why they support the idea of “broadening the tax base,” i.e. raising taxes on the poor.

I mean that if the upper 1% got off their lazy asses, stopped taking long vacations in Bermuda and actually earned their multi-million dollar bonuses, then we would have MORE REVENUES!

240 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:07:34am

The oppressed majority:

241 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:09:00am

BTW, How is everyone today?

242 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 8:09:54am

this is fucked up==>

243 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 8:10:42am

This is even MOAR FUCKED UP==>

244 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 8:11:07am

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Abortion is legal, rape is a crime. How fucking difficult is that to understand?

245 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 8:11:10am

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

this is fucked up==>

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They have it precisely backward.

246 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 8:11:33am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

Armed Black KID in the lower right, armed Black man in upper left.

Doesn’t make the circular firing squad any less stupid.

Or the fact that a bullet hole in the fuselage at 30k feet would be perfectly okie dokie.

247 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 8:13:38am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

Abortion is legal, rape is a crime. How fucking difficult is that to understand?

You don’t rape a person because she /he has sovereign control of his /her body. The same reason abortion is legal.

248 Mattand  Jan 20, 2015 8:13:55am

re: #240 FemNaziBitch

If you look at the Christian wedge as a giant purple Pac Man, it adds a whole new dimension to the pie chart.

249 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 20, 2015 8:14:35am
250 Mattand  Jan 20, 2015 8:14:47am

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

BTW, How is everyone today?

My bilateral symmetry is still intact. For now.

251 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 8:15:48am

re: #250 Mattand

My bilateral symmetry is still intact. For now.

My symmetry is fearful. You will respect it because it rhymes with “eye”!!!

252 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 8:16:43am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

Abortion is legal, rape is a crime. How fucking difficult is that to understand?

If you are deeply religious abortion is a crime. To the religious, their religion is #1, man’s laws come second.

That is why we are also seeing the backlash over marriage equality and why they would be perfectly fine having the Bible replace the US Constitution.

By the way, I understand what you are saying, just trying to clarify how a fanatic would frame it all in their minds.

253 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 8:17:40am

Except everyone wants better roads, bridges, and tunnels, and make sure that their roads and bridges that they’re using doesn’t fall down.

That means… wait for it… new spending.

Americans are schizophrenic when it comes to politics. They want stuff, but don’t want to pay for any of it. And when they’re confronted with the options, they want someone else to pay for it; and those who are least able to afford it, are often saddled with the costs.

254 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 20, 2015 8:20:00am

re: #253 lawhawk

Let the 1% pay for it. ;)

255 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 8:21:18am

re:
#253

And except for defense spending

256 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 8:21:20am

re: #254 GlutenFreeJesus

Let the 1% pay for it. ;)

They are too busy anonymously donating to political campaigns…

257 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 8:22:02am

Hey, guess who was behind the haters at the protest in Garland, TX that turned so ugly? Geller & the Tea Party, with Breitbart happily reinforcing their narrative.

Surprise! //

And that Israeli flag being waved behind Geller? For those inclined to believe such things, it’ll provide confirmation of the canard that Israel/Zionists/Jews are behind anything & everything designed to harm Muslims.

*smh*

258 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:23:06am

I can’t imagine not being a reader.

259 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:24:12am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

This is even MOAR FUCKED UP==>

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hahahahahahahahahah —-deep breath - - - aaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

gasp, oh stop it! ahahaaaahhhhahahahahahahaaaa

still fighting for breath, my stomach hurts ahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

260 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:25:16am

re: #250 Mattand

My bilateral symmetry is still intact. For now.

most of us are asymetrical—actually I think all of us are. If you are not, that is something, well, I think a sfi-fi writer would be interested in you.

261 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 8:25:52am

Corporations and business needs to pay for public education. All of it in my opinion.

262 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 8:27:18am

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

hahahahahahahahahah —-deep breath - - - aaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

gasp, oh stop it! ahahaaaahhhhahahahahahahaaaa

still fighting for breath, my stomach hurts ahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

ON THE ISLAND OF DR. MOREAU, THEIR WAS ABORSHUNS!!!!!!!

263 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:29:04am

re: #252 ObserverArt

If you are deeply religious abortion is a crime. To the religious, their religion is #1, man’s laws come second.

That is why we are also seeing the backlash over marriage equality and why they would be perfectly fine having the Bible replace the US Constitution.

By the way, I understand what you are saying, just trying to clarify how a fanatic would frame it all in their minds.

How hard is it?

Man’s law here on earth
God’s law in heaven

Free-will being the point. On Earth we choose —man’s law allows for that.
Simply codifying God’s law does not constitute a choice. It is how each of us act of our own volition each and every minute that God pays attention to.

On earth, we have to create laws that work, here on earth to maintain human rights and civil society.

Theocracy DOES NOT WORK.

Now, I can understand that and I’m not religious and don’t believe in the myths of heaven and earth. I can abstract my thoughts to this level.

HELLO—is anybody out there??? who also gets this?

264 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:30:22am

re: #253 lawhawk

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Except everyone wants better roads, bridges, and tunnels, and make sure that their roads and bridges that they’re using doesn’t fall down.

That means… wait for it… new spending.

Americans are schizophrenic when it comes to politics. They want stuff, but don’t want to pay for any of it. And when they’re confronted with the options, they want someone else to pay for it; and those who are least able to afford it, are often saddled with the costs.

Spending is ok as long as it is going to “private” publicly traded or family owned corporations and not to individuals who work for the gubernet.

265 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:31:48am

re: #261 Amory Blaine

Corporations and business needs to pay for public education. All of it in my opinion.

Then what is to prevent them from ignoring the constitution and teaching their own brand of indoctrination?

That is the indoctrination we want

266 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:32:27am

re: #248 Mattand

If you look at the Christian wedge as a giant purple Pac Man, it adds a whole new dimension to the pie chart.

EXCELLENT!

267 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 8:38:51am

So would 55 million “missing people” all have jobs or would they all be on Food Stamps?

268 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 8:40:36am

Both.

269 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 20, 2015 8:41:49am

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

270 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 8:45:00am

re: #263 FemNaziBitch

How hard is it?

Man’s law here on earth
God’s law in heaven

Free-will being the point. On Earth we choose —man’s law allows for that.
Simply codifying God’s law does not constitute a choice. It is how each of us act of our own volition each and every minute that God pays attention to.

On earth, we have to create laws that work, here on earth to maintain human rights and civil society.

Theocracy DOES NOT WORK.

Now, I can understand that and I’m not religious and don’t believe in the myths of heaven and earth. I can abstract my thoughts to this level.

HELLO—is anybody out there??? who also gets this?

See that big pie chart a few posts back? There is the problem. And those folks are right here on earth right now. And they do not think they are going to get to heaven if they don’t do what their religions tell them to do on earth.

It doesn’t not matter what you get as long as the majority of the people on earth look to religion for their ultimate guidance.

By the way, most humans are a little too scared to abstract anything. They like the well-chosen path with the road map they can easily understand and follow.

271 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 8:48:37am

re: #261 Amory Blaine

Corporations and business needs to pay for public education. All of it in my opinion.

Really…this. This is their future workforce. Not that any of them give a shit past the next quarterly or annual report. And that goes for everything. If it is not of immediate benefit it’s socialism! I do not get the unmitigated ignorance of the jerrb creatorz class of human being.

272 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 8:50:06am

re: #261 Amory Blaine

Corporations and business needs to pay for public education. All of it in my opinion.

273 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:52:42am
274 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 8:54:06am
275 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:54:29am

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

So would 55 million “missing people” all have jobs or would they all be on Food Stamps?

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WANTED: SLAVES, SERFS AND THOSE who will work for gruel!

276 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 8:55:44am

re:
#274

I can never unsee this.

277 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:57:12am
278 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 8:57:58am

5 Chechens arrested in France, including 1 with explosives

PARIS (AP) - Five ethnic Chechens from Russia have been arrested in southern France, including one with a cache of explosives, a local mayor said Tuesday as four other men appeared at a court in Paris, the first to face charges in the Paris terror attacks.

Beziers Mayor Robert Menard confirmed the five arrests Tuesday in Beziers and on the outskirts of Montpellier. He said the man arrested in Beziers had been a resident “for some time.”

Midi Libre, the local paper, said an explosives cache was found in Beziers near a stadium but prosecutor Yvon Calvet told Midi Libre it wasn’t immediately clear whether a terror attack was planned. Prosecutors planned to hold a news conference later Tuesday in Beziers.

279 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 8:58:26am

Remember them record club advertisements that would come in the mail with the little stamps that had album covers on them?

280 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 8:58:34am
281 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 8:59:03am

re: #277 FemNaziBitch

Is that someone putting a muffler on Bain? /

282 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 8:59:26am

The things you find when perusing the MLS.

283 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 8:59:54am

re: #279 Amory Blaine

Columbia House and BMG? Yeah, built up my music collection in college that way.

284 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 9:03:07am

re: #253 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Except everyone wants better roads, bridges, and tunnels, and make sure that their roads and bridges that they’re using doesn’t fall down.

That means… wait for it… new spending.

Americans are schizophrenic when it comes to politics. They want stuff, but don’t want to pay for any of it. And when they’re confronted with the options, they want someone else to pay for it; and those who are least able to afford it, are often saddled with the costs.

I’d take any poll that Rasmussen produces with a serious grain of salt, they’ve a known history of biasing questions to get the results they aimed for.

285 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 9:03:08am

re: #274 Amory Blaine

Walker vs. The POTUS

Enough said

286 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 9:04:02am

re: #283 lawhawk

I’m at home here listening to tunes and it just kind of struck me that this thumbnail view on my tv’s interface is similar to how you’d put the stamps on the spaces in the mailers.

287 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 9:04:43am

re: #282 WhatEVs

badmlsphotos.com

288 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 9:05:40am

re: #279 Amory Blaine

Remember them record club advertisements that would come in the mail with the little stamps that had album covers on them?

Yep.

As an artist, I always loved looking at album covers. CDs had smaller covers, but there were still artists involved. I used to like going through record racks just to look at the covers.

With everything going all digital, I wonder what the imagery will be like of there is anything at all.

289 Amory Blaine  Jan 20, 2015 9:07:34am

re: #288 ObserverArt

I think if it was a priority that the digital model is perfect for cool album covers.

290 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 9:09:35am

re: #277 FemNaziBitch

291 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:11:45am
292 danarchy  Jan 20, 2015 9:12:09am

re: #288 ObserverArt

Yep.

As an artist, I always loved looking at album covers. CDs had smaller covers, but there were still artists involved. I used to like going through record racks just to look at the covers.

With everything going all digital, I wonder what the imagery will be like of there is anything at all.

I’ve noticed this with books, since I have gone almost all kindle, I have no idea what the cover art on the last several books I’ve read looks like. I know they have the pictures in a thumbnail in the library, but you look at it once maybe and then once you start reading the book it alway opens up to where you left off so it isn’t like a physical book where the art work is staring you in the face every time you pick up the book. Sometimes I even forget the title of the book I am reading because I don’t see it every time I pick up the book.

293 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 9:12:10am

How is it that politicians seem completely oblivious to the concept of video and voice recordings? I mean, really, I know that we (collectively in the US of A) have ADD level attention spans, but come on.

294 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 9:14:54am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

5 Chechens arrested in France, including 1 with explosives

This will surprise exactly zero Muslims. That’s what the jihadis wanted—a big, emotional reaction from the West that would be answered by a big, emotional reaction across the Muslim world—and that’s what they got. The “Clash of Civilizations” narrative lives on for another day and God only knows how many more jihadis were spawned. Emphasis added is mine:

Hundreds of thousands join anti-Charlie Hebdo march in Chechnya

Hundreds of thousands of people have marched through the capital of the majority Muslim region of Chechnya in Russia to protest against the “vulgar and immoral” Charlie Hebdo magazine. […]

Reuters reports that the protest may have been backed by the Kremlin because it was shown live on state television and may have been a way to allow Russia’s Muslims to vent anger after a similar rally was banned in Moscow. […]

Thanks, Putin. //

295 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 9:15:24am

re: #270 ObserverArt

See that big pie chart a few posts back? There is the problem. And those folks are right here on earth right now. And they do not think they are going to get to heaven if they don’t do what their religions tell them to do on earth.

It doesn’t not matter what you get as long as the majority of the people on earth look to religion for their ultimate guidance.

By the way, most humans are a little too scared to abstract anything. They like the well-chosen path with the road map they can easily understand and follow.

Not all those folks want to impose a theocracy, but a very active and vocal share of them do. And they believe in Dominionism: the idea the the USofA has a special relationship with God because our our laws reflect (their notion of) His Divine Will on Earth.

As soon as we start allowing (things that they see as) abominations unto His eyes like abortion, gun control, progressive taxation, gay marriage, amnesty for illegal aliens, etc., we are breaking our Covenant with The Lord and just inviting him to come down on us with a big smiting.

296 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 9:15:52am

Another day, another reason for conservatives to hate this Pope.

Pope: Catholics Don’t Have To Breed ‘Like Rabbits’

huffingtonpost.com

It will be hilarious if a famous triple divorced, childless RWNJ talk show host attacks the Pope again over this.

297 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 9:15:55am

Because the Black people at the end of them had stopped twitching.

298 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:19:00am

re: #296 Skip Intro

Another day, another reason for conservatives to hate this Pope.

Pope: Catholics Don’t Have To Breed ‘Like Rabbits’

huffingtonpost.com

It will be hilarious if a famous triple divorced, childless RWNJ talk show host attacks the Pope again over this.

“That is an irresponsibility!” he said. The woman might argue that she should trust in God. “But God gives you methods to be responsible,” he said.

He said there are many “licit” ways of regulating births that are approved by the church, an apparent reference to the Natural Family Planning method of monitoring a woman’s cycle to avoid intercourse when she is ovulating.

Any concept of the Man’s irresponsibility?

New Pope Same as the Old Pope.

btw, will you Page this?

299 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:20:15am

re: #270 ObserverArt

By the way, most humans are a little too scared to abstract anything. They like the well-chosen path with the road map they can easily understand and follow.

because when you live in the love of God, you will not fear … .

at least that is what I was taught.

300 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 9:20:35am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

littlegreenfootballs.com

301 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 9:21:42am

re: #298 FemNaziBitch

I give this Pope credit for even saying this. In the past it’s always been the duty of Catholics to breed as many future Catholics as possible, and let God worry about the consequences,

And no, I’m not going to page this.

302 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 9:23:33am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

Every time I. Lovemoney opens his mouth he makes a fumble.

303 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 9:23:41am

FemNazi…

I was just pondering something about man and religion. Imagine today’s world, with all the info, the internet, modern conveniences, travel, etc., and no mention of religion at all. Think of it as if religion did not exist, never had, etc. (I know hard to do, but stick with me…it’s a bit of a brain teaser)

How long before a human started to wonder about what is out there, who made all this, and where are we going after we die? How long before they would start to conjure up something more than what we have, what we know? How long before they once again start to think of ‘gods’ like that big ol’ orange ball in the sky, or those big nasty storm gods? How long before we end right where we are?

Is man to a degree predisposed to want something bigger than earth? Is man predisposed to think about and create a ‘religion’ so that he has something he doesn’t understand to believe in? Do we need the big mystery, do we all strive to have an unknown that we have to figure out? Do humans lose faith in other humans and want more, so they create something nonhuman to put their hopes in?

304 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:24:26am
305 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:24:56am
306 Dr. Matt  Jan 20, 2015 9:24:56am

re: #301 Skip Intro

I give this Pope credit for even saying this. In the past it’s always been the duty of Catholics to breed as many future Catholics as possible, and let God worry about the consequences,

And no, I’m not going to page this.

And John Gibson urging his viewers (old conservative white people) to have more babies.

On The Big Story, John Gibson urged viewers to “[d]o your duty. Make more babies,” because he had found out, from a recently released report, that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities. Gibson added: “You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic.” Gibson later repeated: “To put it bluntly, we need more babies.”

307 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 9:25:20am

re: #300 CuriousLurker

littlegreenfootballs.com

BWAHAHAA!!!!!

308 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 9:25:30am

re: #292 danarchy

I’ve noticed this with books, since I have gone almost all kindle, I have no idea what the cover art on the last several books I’ve read looks like. I know they have the pictures in a thumbnail in the library, but you look at it once maybe and then once you start reading the book it alway opens up to where you left off so it isn’t like a physical book where the art work is staring you in the face every time you pick up the book. Sometimes I even forget the title of the book I am reading because I don’t see it every time I pick up the book.

This is what I was getting act. You have a new example that I had not thought about.

309 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 9:27:20am

re: #303 ObserverArt

We tend to forget when we discuss any religion that there are

a) people who identify culturally or socially with a religion, but do not closely follow its tenets

b) people who follow it closely but would not think of imposing it on other through law or force

c) those who follow it closely and seek to impose it on others through legislation

and

d) those who would also use violence or force to impose their religion.

Especially when it comes to Islam in America and Europe, a lot of people make no distinction between the former and the latter two.

310 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 9:27:53am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

Because the Black people at the end of them had stopped twitching.

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Ouch!

(VB is on fire…look out)

311 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 9:28:15am
312 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:28:40am

re: #303 ObserverArt

FemNazi…

I was just pondering something about man and religion. Imagine today’s world, with all the info, the internet, modern conveniences, travel, etc., and no mention of religion at all. Think of it as if religion did not exist, never had, etc. (I know hard to do, but stick with me…it’s a bit of a brain teaser)

How long before a human started to wonder about what is out there, who made all this, and where are we going after we die? How long before they would start to conjure up something more than what we have, what we know? How long before they once again start to think of ‘gods’ like that big ol’ orange ball in the sky, or those big nasty storm gods? How long before we end right where we are?

Is man to a degree predisposed to want something bigger than earth? Is man predisposed to think about and create a ‘religion’ so that he has something he doesn’t understand to believe in? Do we need the big mystery, do we all strive to have an unknown that we have to figure out? Do humans lose faith in other humans and want more, so they create something nonhuman to put their hopes in?

People learn and remember better thru stories than fact (fiction vs. non-fiction). So if a leader (parent, clan elder etc) wants to impart facts of reality to his/her illiterate people, a story is the best way to go.

“Don’t eat the (poisonous) purple berries on this particular tree because the great spirit loves you and wants you to be strong” story over time becomes “purple is the color of evil, use it and you and your children will go to hell”

My only answer is scientifically correct comprehensive sex ed and birth control.

313 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 9:31:55am

This has to be a parody account, but I don’t know if these are fake quotes or M. Friedman actually said them. Because if these are real quotes, he’s a bigger asshole than anybody could have ever imagined.

314 Maggie's Pa  Jan 20, 2015 9:32:07am

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

It isn’t unheard of that UL ratings are fraudulent. It doesn’t take much to print a fancy sticker and slap it on.

315 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 9:35:59am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We tend to forget when we discuss any religion that there are

a) people who identify culturally or socially with a religion, but do not closely follow its tenets

b) people who follow it closely but would not think of imposing it on other through law or force

c) those who follow it closely and seek to impose it on others through legislation

and

d) those who would also use violence or force to impose their religion.

Especially when it comes to Islam in America and Europe, a lot of people make no distinction between the former and the latter two.

Agreed with all your comments Wendell. I think you are thinking about religion as it already exists. I guess I am looking to see why it exists.

I was just kicking around the very concept of religion and where it starts. Is it just a part of man’s thinking…the old “the grass is greener on the other side” that we seem to always need to have something to search for or believe in.

That is why I mentioned things like a sun god, one of man’s earliest creations. It just seems we can never be satisfied and/or accept just being humans on earth.

I just like to think and conceptualize. It keeps the ol’ head exercised!

316 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 9:37:15am

re: #315 ObserverArt

That and the fact that logic and observation will only get us so far, especially when the subject is also the object (ourselves).

317 Maggie's Pa  Jan 20, 2015 9:37:34am

re: #185 lawhawk

That is very disturbing to see. The “w”- beam guide rail is insufficient, too low. That’s what happens when you pave one too many times. If that happened a little later he would have t-boned that over head sign, and they are not designed to be “crash-safe”.

318 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 9:37:54am

The Miss Congeniality pageant had nothing on this. Angry people in the Middle East (who isn’t these days, but I digress), and Miss Lebanon takes potshots at Miss Israel for “photobombing” the shot. Of course, everything Middle East related involves bombing. What else could there be? Take it away Jon…

Mind you, there doesn’t look like anything resembling photobombing going on. Everyone is in the photo and Miss Israel is taking a photo with everyone smiling and posing. Doesn’t look like a photobomb to me. In fact, Miss Israel is taking up just a small sliver of real estate in that photo… /

319 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 9:38:06am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

most of us are asymetrical—actually I think all of us are. If you are not, that is something, well, I think a sfi-fi writer would be interested in you.

I’m completely symmetrical in form because I was unfolded at birth.

320 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 9:38:23am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

I know Billy Graham, and you sir, are no Billy Graham. /

321 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 9:39:20am

re: #303 ObserverArt

I can answer that, but your theory sounds plausible.

When some atheists start ragging on religion, talking about how stupid it is to need/want to believe in myths/fairytale made up by humans who wanted the control it gave them, and asserting how much better off we’d be without all that, I always have to wonder:

Okay, let’s say I accept your premise and it’s all about humans’ gullibility & need to feel important. And let’s say we could somehow get rid of all religion. How long do you think it would be before another enterprising human came along and invented a new one that would grow just as big as the old ones?

Not long, I’ll bet.

322 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:39:22am

re: #303 ObserverArt

FemNazi…

I was just pondering something about man and religion. Imagine today’s world, with all the info, the internet, modern conveniences, travel, etc., and no mention of religion at all. Think of it as if religion did not exist, never had, etc. (I know hard to do, but stick with me…it’s a bit of a brain teaser)

How long before a human started to wonder about what is out there, who made all this, and where are we going after we die? How long before they would start to conjure up something more than what we have, what we know? How long before they once again start to think of ‘gods’ like that big ol’ orange ball in the sky, or those big nasty storm gods? How long before we end right where we are?

Is man to a degree predisposed to want something bigger than earth? Is man predisposed to think about and create a ‘religion’ so that he has something he doesn’t understand to believe in? Do we need the big mystery, do we all strive to have an unknown that we have to figure out? Do humans lose faith in other humans and want more, so they create something nonhuman to put their hopes in?

More to your point —there has been research into the nature of our brains and if we are predisposed to religion or belief.

IIRC, it’s all inconclusive and subject to interpretation.

I think we are pre-disposed to be pack animals and to “follow the leader” as a survival skill. Emotions trump intellect. As our frontal lobes are the last to myelinate and often do not fully do so, many adults may be functionally intellectual teenagers their entire lives. Those who experience trauma early in life have it worse.

Add to that that a certain percentage of the population does not develop the ability to read beyond a 6th grade level (either because of lack of education, emphasis on reading in the home or a learning disability) and the ability to overcome emotions by one’s own volition is hampered.

And sometimes, I think, people DON’T ENJOY thinking. Something I totally don’t understand, but there you have it.

323 Maggie's Pa  Jan 20, 2015 9:40:45am

I’m sorry I am a little late to the party and responding to older posts. Today is a close friends six month sobriety anniversary, and I got her a nice Boston Cream Pie cake. They say weed isn’t addictive…

324 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:40:48am

re: #321 CuriousLurker

I can answer that, but your theory sounds plausible.

When some atheists start ragging on religion, talking about how stupid it is to need/want to believe in myths/fairytale made up by humans who wanted the control it gave them, and asserting how much better off we’d be without all that, I always have to wonder:

Okay, let’s say I accept your premise and it’s all about humans’ gullibility & need to feel important. And let’s say we could somehow get rid of all religion. How long do you think it would be before another enterprising human came along and invented a new one that would grow just as big as the old ones?

Not long, I’ll bet.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

325 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:41:12am

re: #323 Maggie’s Pa

I’m sorry I am a little late to the party and responding to older posts. Today is a close friends six month sobriety anniversary, and I got her a nice Boston Cream Pie cake. They say weed isn’t addictive…

WOOT!

326 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 9:41:16am

re: #306 Dr. Matt

And John Gibson urging his viewers (old conservative white people) to have more babies.

OMG! We’re falling behind in the Baby Gap!

327 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 9:41:57am

re: #326 Skip Intro

OMG! We’re falling behind in the Baby Gap!

I have it covered.

328 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 9:42:07am

She seems nice. ////

329 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 9:42:47am

re: #321 CuriousLurker

Still, that doesn’t mean any of the current ones are valid.

330 ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2015 9:46:53am

Gotta run and do some errands, put some money in the bank so I can rob it later.

Looks like a nice discussion on the concept of religion could break out. Keep at it Lizards. It’s good for the grey matter.

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 9:47:38am

God and Man don’t believe in modern love.

;)

332 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:48:12am

Interesting stuff on Pack Animals.

There was a research team that followed wolves (IIRC, in Canada). They found that wolfs had two pack orders —a multi-generational nuclear family with a alpha male and female that equally shared power and an all unattached males “gang” which had a strictly hierarchical power structure.

The analogies to humans was scary.

let me see if I can find it.

333 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 9:49:46am
334 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 9:49:59am

re: #321 CuriousLurker

I can answer that, but your theory sounds plausible.

When some atheists start ragging on religion, talking about how stupid it is to need/want to believe in myths/fairytale made up by humans who wanted the control it gave them, and asserting how much better off we’d be without all that, I always have to wonder:

Okay, let’s say I accept your premise and it’s all about humans’ gullibility & need to feel important. And let’s say we could somehow get rid of all religion. How long do you think it would be before another enterprising human came along and invented a new one that would grow just as big as the old ones?

Not long, I’ll bet.

2hrs, 3min, 45 sec.

I would like to completely get rid of magical thinking.

335 darthstar  Jan 20, 2015 9:54:08am
336 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:54:38am

Myth of the Alpha wolf

“The concept of the alpha wolf as a “top dog” ruling a group of similar-aged compatriots,” Mech writes in the 1999 paper, “is particularly misleading.” Mech notes that earlier papers, such as M.W. Fox’s “Socio-ecological implications of individual differences in wolf litters: a developmental and evolutionary perspective,” published in Behaviour in 1971, examined the potential of individual cubs to become alphas, implying that the wolves would someday live in packs in which some would become alphas and others would be subordinate pack members. However, Mech explains, his studies of wild wolves have found that wolves live in families: two parents along with their younger cubs. Wolves do not have an innate sense of rank; they are not born leaders or born followers. The “alphas” are simply what we would call in any other social group “parents.” The offspring follow the parents as naturally as they would in any other species. No one has “won” a role as leader of the pack; the parents may assert dominance over the offspring by virtue of being the parents.

337 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 9:56:37am

re: #333 Targetpractice

City of Paris to sue Fox News

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo is planning to sue Fox News for its inaccurate reports on Muslim “no go zones,” she told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Tuesday.

Good. More wingnut heads exploding.

politico.com

338 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:56:49am

re: #334 b_sharp

2hrs, 3min, 45 sec.

I would like to completely get rid of magical thinking.

Yes, but remember magic is just science we don’t yet understand.

Imagination is the basis of everything. It’s the ability to think about our own thoughts and ponder “what if”.

The ability to separate reality from fantasy is the problem.

339 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 9:58:31am

re: #337 Skip Intro

City of Paris to sue Fox News

Good. More wingnut heads exploding.

politico.com

More reason to hate the fag fwench

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 9:59:27am

re: #339 FemNaziBitch

More reason to hate the fag fwench

French trial lawyers are the worst of the worst…

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341 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 10:00:32am

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

Yes, but remember magic is just science we don’t yet understand.

Imagination is the basis of everything. It’s the ability to think about our own thoughts and ponder “what if”.

The ability to separate reality from fantasy is the problem.

I wasn’t talking about wonder & imagination, I was talking about the ability to separate reality from fantasy.

I love you because you repeat me.

342 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 10:01:11am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

French trial lawyers are the worst of the worst…

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Didn’t they try to sue Bob Dylan for anti-Serbian hate speech or something?

343 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:01:39am

re: #329 Skip Intro

Still, that doesn’t mean any of the current ones are valid.

I didn’t claim that it did. Validity of religion is in the eye of the beholder. You don’t believe? Fine, I don’t care—it’s irrelevant to my life, my belief.

344 Mike Lamb  Jan 20, 2015 10:02:05am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

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But, but, but…$650k is middle class in NYC…

345 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:03:17am

re: #334 b_sharp

2hrs, 3min, 45 sec.

I would like to completely get rid of magical thinking.

I don’t think it’s possible, for the reasons already stated.

346 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 10:03:31am

re: #343 CuriousLurker

I didn’t claim that it did. Validity of religion is in the eye of the beholder. You don’t believe? Fine, I don’t care—it’s irrelevant to my life, my belief.

Unfortunately for a lot of people that is not operative in the reverse, where someone else’s belief does impact and thus becomes relevant to other’s lives who might happen to be non-believers.

347 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 20, 2015 10:03:36am

re: #336 FemNaziBitch

Myth of the Alpha wolf

Wolves get a really bad rap in this country. Americans have these mythical scenes in their minds of wolves attacking people and devouring entire villages and so on…maybe brought these fantasies with them from Europe, but American timber wolves have attacked humans just exactly zero times, at least since Europeans have been here to write about it.

And then there’s “lone wolves”, and “wolf packs” as a danger…it was an American journalist who invented the term “Wolf Packs” for the German U-boat search pattern that Dönitz called the Rudeltaktik—the “rake strategy”.

348 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:04:12am

re: #344 Mike Lamb

But, but, but…$650k is middle class in NYC…

Also San Francisco.

349 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 10:04:50am

re: #343 CuriousLurker

And I wish religion was irrelevant to mine, but it never works out that way.

350 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:05:24am

re: #348 The Vicious Babushka

Also San Francisco.

and Chicago.

I get pissed at some people I know who are “middle class” and begrudge those that need WIC or SNAP. They have no fucking clue.

351 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 10:06:28am

re: #345 CuriousLurker

I don’t think it’s possible, for the reasons already stated.

Good thing my goal is expecting somewhat less than 100% success. I’ll be happy with 70%.

352 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 10:08:09am

re: #351 b_sharp

Good thing my goal is expecting somewhat less than 100% success. I’ll be happy with 70%.

You might want to ease that down a little to something more realistic, say like 5%.

353 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 10:09:17am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Didn’t they try to sue Bob Dylan for anti-Serbian hate speech or something?

They could make up for it by including Bobby Jindal in the suit.

354 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:09:19am

re: #341 b_sharp

I wasn’t talking about wonder & imagination, I was talking about the ability to separate reality from fantasy.

I love you because you repeat me.

I think I equate wonder and imagination with magic. When I witness some really kewl phenom, I think “magic”.

It’s all about the ooh and the ahhh.

355 Dr Lizardo  Jan 20, 2015 10:09:48am

re: #321 CuriousLurker

Religion - whether the ones we worship and venerate today, or something new that will come along in another 8,000 years or so - will always be with us.

Anyone remember Dune? (the book) What was one of the driving forces behind that entire first novel (aside from revenge)?

Religion. Specifically, the harnessing of religion and prophecy in order to drive a particular agenda. Yeah I know………clearly it ends with Paul’s Fremen followers unleasing jihad upon the known Universe, but that’s also part of the cautionary note that people should bear in mind about religion.

It’s a powerful force, for good or ill. It all depends on how we choose to use it.

356 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 10:10:12am

re: #352 Skip Intro

You might want to ease that down a little to something more realistic, say like 5%.

5% is more like my expectation.

357 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:11:18am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

and Chicago.

I get pissed at some people I know who are “middle class” and begrudge those that need WIC or SNAP. They have no fucking clue.

I see #tcot retweeting Kochmaster memes all day long. All I can do is fix their memes and release them back into the Twitstream.

358 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 10:12:23am

re: #354 FemNaziBitch

I think I equate wonder and imagination with magic. When I witness some really kewl phenom, I think “magic”.

It’s all about the ooh and the ahhh.

To me magical thinking has nothing to do with the ooh and ahh, and everything to do with the supernatural.

359 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:12:28am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

and Chicago.

I get pissed at some people I know who are “middle class” and begrudge those that need WIC or SNAP. They have no fucking clue.

Also, there are sooo many people who are financially illiterate. Or can not think globally (big picture).

Thus the old wingnut memes of “lazy people” works for them. The reality that two people working full-time and can qualify for assitances doesn’t compute with them. These people must be mismanaging their money or something.

These are the same people who have a gazillion dollar a month mortgages and luxury cars and can’t afford tutoring for their children or any medical procedure that isn’t covered by insurance.

Yet, they aren’t facing bankruptcy or need government handouts so they are the responsible ones.

*spit*

360 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:12:58am

re: #346 Feline Fearless Leader

Unfortunately for a lot of people that is not operative in the reverse, where someone else’s belief does impact and thus becomes relevant to other’s lives who might happen to be non-believers.

I agree, but keep in mind that it also becomes relevant when one group of believers have decided another group of believers have the “wrong” beliefs because they differ from theirs. Humans are contentious and constantly trying to show how their group/tribe is superior others. It’s not a trait specific to religion—it happens with racism, nationalism, etc.

IOW, it’s not gonna go away, even if you remove religion from the equation.

361 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 10:14:28am

Charles Pierce suggests the opening to the SOTU speech tonight.

“Mr. Speaker, Mr. Majority Leader, thank you for inviting me here tonight to discuss the state of our union. The state of our union is strong, and it’s all because of me, motherfkers, and no thanks to your sorry, wrinkled white asses. I did everything I could do to pull the economy out of the shallow grave your deregulatory frenzy and the two-term nitwit who preceded me dug for it. You stood there like squeaking eunuchs and blocked everything you could, and a narrow slice of the electorate gave you virtually unprecedented control over the entire national legislature. I don’t care. Your party has sold its soul and lost its mind. I’m not going anywhere. So I’m’a gonna do what I goddamn well please, because the state of our union is strong, motherfkers, and it’s all because of me. Nice to see you all again, though.”

esquire.com

362 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:16:10am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

Religion - whether the ones we worship and venerate today, or something new that will come along in another 8,000 years or so - will always be with us.

Anyone remember Dune? (the book) What was one of the driving forces behind that entire first novel (aside from revenge)?

Religion. Specifically, the harnessing of religion and prophecy in order to drive a particular agenda. Yeah I know………clearly it ends with Paul’s Fremen followers unleasing jihad upon the known Universe, but that’s also part of the cautionary note that people should bear in mind about religion.

It’s a powerful force, for good or ill. It all depends on how we choose to use it.

“God the Father” as substitute for actual father or clan leader.

Powerful emotions and survival instincts here.

Even the story of Jesus, ignores the authority of his actual (de jure) father, Joseph in favor of “God the Father”. Bad precedence here, IMHO.

And, yes, I have no doubt Jesus had a human (de facto) father.

363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 10:16:21am

re: #361 Skip Intro

Charles Pierce suggests the opening to the SOTU speech tonight.

“Mr. Speaker, Mr. Majority Leader, thank you for inviting me here tonight to discuss the state of our union. The state of our union is strong, and it’s all because of me, motherfkers, and no thanks to your sorry, wrinkled white asses. I did everything I could do to pull the economy out of the shallow grave your deregulatory frenzy and the two-term nitwit who preceded me dug for it. You stood there like squeaking eunuchs and blocked everything you could, and a narrow slice of the electorate gave you virtually unprecedented control over the entire national legislature. I don’t care. Your party has sold its soul and lost its mind. I’m not going anywhere. So I’m’a gonna do what I goddamn well please, because the state of our union is strong, motherfkers, and it’s all because of me. Nice to see you all again, though.”

esquire.com

That is what he is going to say, just with the language toned down a bit. But that is about the way that Fox will report on it.

364 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:17:14am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

I see #tcot retweeting Kochmaster memes all day long. All I can do is fix their memes and release them back into the Twitstream.

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I tried to rewteet but got a pop-up that said “that page doesn’t exist”. You in the gulag again?

365 Lidane  Jan 20, 2015 10:17:50am
366 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 10:17:50am

re: #362 FemNaziBitch

And, yes, I have no doubt Jesus had a human (de facto) father.

I refuse to follow any religion that forces me to believe direct divine intervention in the form of myths virgin birth or dead people getting up and walking around.

367 A Cranky One  Jan 20, 2015 10:17:55am

re: #321 CuriousLurker

I suspect you are correct that new religions would appear in the absence of existing religion. There are several factors which I think would come into play.

People seem to be wired to see cause/effect relationships. So when people look at the world, it’s natural to ask if there is a cause. It’s the meta “Why?” that many religions address. Why does the world exist? Why am I alive, is there a purpose for my life? There is also an element of superstitious behavior (I did x and y happened, so if I want y to happen I do x) which gets institutionalized.

My spouse would also argue that people have a “spiritual” side, a need to connect with something greater than themselves, be it a god or a oneness with the universe.

Many people also don’t like to think. They’ve never considered constructing an ethical/moral framework to define their behavior. For those folks, having a set of standards imposed externally makes it possible to avoid actually having to create and justify a framework. This is the group who believe that atheists feel free to rape and kill because they don’t fear divine retribution.

Other people simply lack empathy and need a moral/ethical framework imposed on them to allow them to function in society. Basically, for those folks, this is how society controls their behavior.

Religion is also a useful tool for controlling populations and justifying the status quo, as in “I’m king by divine will and God wants you to do what I say”.

So I’d argue that religion serves a purpose at both the individual and societal level. Whether that is a good thing is a different discussion.

368 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:18:40am

re: #359 FemNaziBitch

Also, there are sooo many people who are financially illiterate. Or can not think globally (big picture).

Thus the old wingnut memes of “lazy people” works for them. The reality that two people working full-time and can qualify for assitances doesn’t compute with them. These people must be mismanaging their money or something.

These are the same people who have a gazillion dollar a month mortgages and luxury cars and can’t afford tutoring for their children or any medical procedure that isn’t covered by insurance.

Yet, they aren’t facing bankruptcy or need government handouts so they are the responsible ones.

*spit*

This is the epitome of White Privilege.

HURR HURR I CAN HAZ SAVINGS & A MORTGAGE & RETIREMENT PLAN, WHY CAN’T THOSE LAZY BLAHS???

369 klystron  Jan 20, 2015 10:19:46am

I think the reality is that religion would not be so widespread in the world and have such an impact if it didn’t fill some …niche in the human ecosystem, for lack of a better way to put it. Like some other people are spelling out nicely above me.

370 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:20:10am

re: #364 FemNaziBitch

I tried to rewteet but got a pop-up that said “that page doesn’t exist”. You in the gulag again?

There was a typo in that Tweet so I deleted & retweeted it.

371 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:20:22am

re: #349 Skip Intro

And I wish religion was irrelevant to mine, but it never works out that way.

Yeah? Go to Google and type in “Islam is” and you’ll have somewhat of an idea what I wake up to every morning, and not all of it is from believers in other religions—some of it is from atheists. Nonetheless, I don’t happen to feel that gives me license me to go out and bash atheists for their non-belief. YMMV

372 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 10:20:27am

re:
#357

I see #tcot retweeting Kochmaster memes all day long. All I can do is fix their memes and release them back into the Twitstream.

Hurr hurr its not Kochmaster meme its just all the wisdom we get reading Glenn Beck and watching Fox News!!!11

373 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:21:07am

re: #351 b_sharp

Good thing my goal is expecting somewhat less than 100% success. I’ll be happy with 70%.

Good luck with that.

374 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:21:11am

The drug testing of “welfare” recipients pisses me off too.

Why don’t they test for alcohol use or somehow track lottery ticket purchases?

Oh, I forgot, only deadbeats use drugs.

Nice people get prescriptions.

375 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:21:44am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

There was a typo in that Tweet so I deleted & retweeted it.

ah!

376 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:21:55am

re: #374 FemNaziBitch

The drug testing of “welfare” recipients pisses me off too.

Why don’t they test for alcohol use or somehow track lottery ticket purchases?

Oh, I forgot, only deadbeats use drugs.

Nice people get prescriptions.

377 Lidane  Jan 20, 2015 10:22:48am

Sure, that makes sense:

378 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:23:18am

re: #367 A Cranky One

Well said. I don’t disagree with any of that.

379 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 10:24:12am

re: #377 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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Sounds reasonable. What other decisions do you think the states should ignore, Huck? Brown v. Board? Roe v. Wade?

Better yet, suppose states decide to ignore Citizens United? You cool with that?

380 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:24:53am

re: #377 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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governors as sovereign citizens?????

381 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:25:01am

bbl

382 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 10:25:15am

re: #333 Targetpractice

That’s hysterical.

And sad. Very sad.

Oh, how the world views us. It makes me hang my head in shame.

383 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:26:25am
384 FemNaziBitch  Jan 20, 2015 10:26:31am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

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lest we forget who owns the facilities that do the drug testing?????

385 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 10:27:00am

re: #383 The Vicious Babushka

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If the GOP followed that, they’d disappear inside a week.

386 Lidane  Jan 20, 2015 10:28:32am
387 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 10:29:31am

re: #337 Skip Intro

City of Paris to sue Fox News

Good. More wingnut heads exploding.

politico.com

How delicious. Perhaps if Fox is sued in Europe they might win, since Fox won the right to lie in the US…oh, sorry, not lie, but to bow to their corporate masters (as always, the devil is in the details).

388 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 10:29:31am

re: #371 CuriousLurker

Yeah? go to Google and type in “Islam is” and you’ll have somewhat of an idea what I wake up to every morning, and not all of it is from believers in other religion—some of it is from atheists. Nonetheless, I don’t happen to feel that gives me license me to go out and bash atheists for their non-belief. YMMV

There are a lot of bigots around that lump all Muslims into the same bucket & ignore the non-religious aspects of terrorism. Atheists that do that are hiding behind their anti-religion stance to push their outright bigotry.

389 Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2015 10:29:51am

re: #321 CuriousLurker

I can answer that, but your theory sounds plausible.

When some atheists start ragging on religion, talking about how stupid it is to need/want to believe in myths/fairytale made up by humans who wanted the control it gave them, and asserting how much better off we’d be without all that, I always have to wonder:

Okay, let’s say I accept your premise and it’s all about humans’ gullibility & need to feel important. And let’s say we could somehow get rid of all religion. How long do you think it would be before another enterprising human came along and invented a new one that would grow just as big as the old ones?

Not long, I’ll bet.

Even as a non-believer, I recognize that some form of religion is an essential part of human cultural inventory. There are almost no examples of populations that do not generate at least one. That’s possibly because those that fail to produce that kind of ‘glue’ lack the group cohesiveness needed to survive.

Off to see Selma. Wonder how it will hold up to the Huntley/Brinkley version.

390 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:31:47am
391 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 10:32:00am

re: #361 Skip Intro

Charles Pierce suggests the opening to the SOTU speech tonight.

“Mr. Speaker, Mr. Majority Leader, thank you for inviting me here tonight to discuss the state of our union. The state of our union is strong, and it’s all because of me, motherfkers, and no thanks to your sorry, wrinkled white asses. I did everything I could do to pull the economy out of the shallow grave your deregulatory frenzy and the two-term nitwit who preceded me dug for it. You stood there like squeaking eunuchs and blocked everything you could, and a narrow slice of the electorate gave you virtually unprecedented control over the entire national legislature. I don’t care. Your party has sold its soul and lost its mind. I’m not going anywhere. So I’m’a gonna do what I goddamn well please, because the state of our union is strong, motherfkers, and it’s all because of me. Nice to see you all again, though.”

esquire.com

The man has a way with words, no? :-)

392 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:33:02am

re: #388 b_sharp

There are a lot of bigots around that lump all Muslims into the same bucket & ignore the non-religious aspects of terrorism. Atheists that do that are hiding behind their anti-religion stance to push their outright bigotry.

On that I can agree with you wholeheartedly.

393 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 10:33:14am

re: #377 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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Where would we be without hack politicians/preachers telling up what God decides? Why does He only speak to grifters and crazy people?

394 Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2015 10:36:33am

re: #391 WhatEVs

So do his commentators.

For example, I will not be watching it, because I have no desire to see Obama standing in front of Boehner and McConnell for an hour or so, unless the speech is frequently punctuated with “See these dipshits behind me?”

and

The only fun thing to count is how many rakes he leaves around the yard for Joni to step on.

395 CuriousLurker  Jan 20, 2015 10:36:36am

Gotta get busy with work. Later, lizards.

396 Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2015 10:40:10am
397 Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2015 10:41:24am
398 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 20, 2015 10:41:46am

re: #377 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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399 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 10:43:35am

good lord, he is stupid:

400 Franklin  Jan 20, 2015 10:46:16am
401 teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2015 10:47:36am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

good lord, he is stupid:

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re: #400 Franklin

Dumber than a bag of shit.

402 Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2015 10:48:30am
403 Franklin  Jan 20, 2015 10:49:49am

He has a point, but the things he is exposing are questionable in regards to their journalistic value. And he shit on the floor.

404 Lidane  Jan 20, 2015 10:50:18am

re: #397 Charles Johnson

They’re going for the “Charlie Hebdo was a false flag!” meme too:

One of the Charlie Hebdo “terrorists” met with the President of France personally a few years previous. And the same guy happened to leave his photo ID in a getaway car, after wishing to remain anonymous, after murdering a dozen people.

Amazing ‘coincidences’…again.

405 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 10:50:27am

CCJ apparently has too many different sized pixels on his mobile twitterz…

406 teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2015 10:51:33am

re: #401 teleskiguy

Heh. My first comment of the day on LGF had to be an UpChuck description. Oy!

Was just dropping by to see what’s up. lawhawk’s on point as usual here: #169. The loons are still in charge of the insane asylum. The next two years are going to be a shit show. etc.

I’m going to take a few runs, it snowed last night!

BBL

407 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:51:40am

re: #403 Franklin

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He has a point, but the things he is exposing are questionable in regards to their journalistic value. And he shit on the floor.

TRUTH

408 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 10:52:51am

re: #396 Charles Johnson

Well, it is a pattern. Chuckles tries to smear Michael Brown claiming that he committed a felony homicide as a juvenile; is told that’s completely untrue by MO state courts, and Chuckles still holds to claim that he had felony record as juvenile.

He makes unsubstantiated claims about images (pixel size) that are based on the word of a cat person.

He makes bogus claims; it’s all he know how to do. Doxxing and smears. That’s his stock and trade.

409 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 10:54:01am

LOLWHUT

410 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 10:55:32am

re: #409 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT

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Holee. Shitskies.

411 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 11:02:27am

re:
#409

Impeachment: Constitutional Alternative to Assassination

So very patriot, reasonable. /

412 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 11:04:16am

re: #411 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#409

So very patriot, reasonable. /

Few (though more and more of late) things make my mouth drop to the desk. This did.

413 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 11:08:07am

Dinesh is so full of shit, even Megyn Kelly had to call him on it.

414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 11:09:02am

re:
#413

Why is Dinesh still talking and why are people still listening to him?

415 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 11:10:04am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#413

Why is Dinesh still talking and why are people still listening to him?

Because Fox needed to change the subject after the whole “no-go zones” BS.

416 Franklin  Jan 20, 2015 11:10:40am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#413

Why is Dinesh still talking and why are people still listening to him?

$$$$$$$$

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#413

Why is Dinesh still talking and why are people still listening to him?

People are dumb

417 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 11:11:36am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#413

Why is Dinesh still talking and why are people still listening to him?

Because Fox needs someone brown with a funny sounding name to show they’re fully inclusive, big tent kinda guys and gals?

418 Lidane  Jan 20, 2015 11:12:29am

Focused on the important issues:

419 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 11:15:24am
420 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 11:16:15am

Just as well that my internet connection is too slow for YouTube videos:

421 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 11:17:14am
422 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 11:17:52am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#413

Why is Dinesh still talking and why are people still listening to him?

Because he says negative things about Obama and there is a market for that.

423 Lidane  Jan 20, 2015 11:18:03am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

Minneapolis? ROFL. OK then.

So how is life in The People’s Socialist Nazi Republic of the Caliphate of Dearbornistan? The RWNJs are saying you get stopped at checkpoints to make sure that you’re Muslim enough.

424 b_sharp  Jan 20, 2015 11:18:18am

re: #418 Lidane

Focused on the important issues:

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He doesn’t need to focus on Islamic terrorism, there is enough non-Islamic terrorism in the US to choke a horse.

425 Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2015 11:19:50am

re: #418 Lidane

Focused on the important issues:

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I really would love the President to take a moment in the SOTU to say “And this is to the media and to all my haters in the audience: We are not at war with Islam, our enemies do not represent Islam, and the more you suggest they do, the more you validate their claims.”

426 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 20, 2015 11:19:57am

re: #423 Lidane

Minneapolis? ROFL. OK then.

So how is life in The People’s Socialist Nazi Republic of the Caliphate of Dearbornistan? The RWNJs are saying you get stopped at checkpoints to make sure that you’re Muslim enough.

They just offer you a bacon sandwich, If you take it, you are not allowed in.

427 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 11:20:34am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#413

Why is Dinesh still talking and why are people still listening to him?

It’s Fox News.

428 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 11:20:50am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just as well that my internet connection is too slow for YouTube videos:

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Wait, he’s putting on a wig & a dress and standing in for Joni Ernst?

Gotta see this!

429 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 11:21:50am

re: #423 Lidane

Minneapolis? ROFL. OK then.

So how is life in The People’s Socialist Nazi Republic of the Caliphate of Dearbornistan? The RWNJs are saying you get stopped at checkpoints to make sure that you’re Muslim enough.

They say it’s illegal to fly the Israeli flag.

Somebody’s gonna get a ticket==>

What about this flag of Israel in Dearborn, idiot?
430 Kragar  Jan 20, 2015 11:22:13am

re: #424 b_sharp

He doesn’t need to focus on Islamic terrorism, there is enough non-Islamic terrorism in the US to choke a horse.

Don’t be silly. Those are all lone wolfs.

431 WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2015 11:22:30am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just as well that my internet connection is too slow for YouTube videos:

Brett LoGiurato
@BrettLoGiurato

Rand Paul will deliver a response to the State of the Union at 10 p.m. ET on his YouTube channel

I thought Joni the Castrator was doing the response.

432 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 11:22:52am

NOGO ZONES are all teh rage!!!!1111 They’re everywhere!!!

433 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2015 11:24:18am

This made me LOL==>

434 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2015 11:24:35am

re: #431 WhatEVs

I thought Joni the Castrator was doing the response.

Rand is going rogue and doing his own thing.
Apparently no TV stations wanted to give him air time, so he’s using the YouTube thing.

435 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 11:26:11am

re:
#418

Fox’s Hemmer to Earnest: Will Obama Say ‘Islamic Extremism’ in SOTU?

And Islamicist Muslimic Terrorism!!!!!!1

436 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 20, 2015 11:29:32am

re:
#431

I thought Joni the Castrator was doing the response.

That’s the other GOP response. A GOP congress is now eligible for up to 4 responses to a Dem SOTU.

When a GOP becomes president again the opposition party response to the SOTU will be discontinued, outlawed.

437 lawhawk  Jan 20, 2015 11:32:10am

re: #433 The Vicious Babushka

What will his wife say. /

438 Franklin  Jan 20, 2015 11:33:27am

Fake but accurate? /half

439 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 20, 2015 1:33:59pm

re: #366 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I refuse to follow any religion that forces me to believe direct divine intervention in the form of myths virgin birth or dead people getting up and walking around.

He got up because he didn’t want to go on the cart.
/

440 unproven innocence  Jan 21, 2015 4:36:38am

Drums of cyberwar: North Korea’s cyber-WMDs
By Robert Graham
— Tuesday, January 20, 2015
In regard to the NYT story, I found this dissenting opinion today. Excerpts:

The story claims the NSA has thoroughly hacked North Korea since 2010, and that’s what enabled the US government to tell who was responsible for the Sony hack. But if this were true, then we hacked first, and the Sony hack is retaliation — meaning we had no justification for Obama’s sanctions. But, if the story is false, then again sanctions against North Korea aren’t justified, because we don’t have the proof our government claims. True or false, this story means the U.S. sanctions against North Korea aren’t justified.

..

Some people compare this DRPK-cyberwar propaganda with the Iraq-WMD propaganda. It turns out that this is indeed an appropriate comparison. David Sanger, the author of the above cyber story, has been the chief Washington correspondent for the New York Times for over 20 years. SourceWatch, a site that tracks those who influence government policy, blames Sanger along with Judith Miller for hyping WMDs as a justification for the Iraq war.


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