Chuck C. Johnson Attacks Dana Loesch: All Sane People Win

“I’m limited legally in what I can reveal.”
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Here it is, folks — the hit piece on Dana Loesch Chuck C. Johnson has been threatening to post all day; he finally worked up the guts to go through with it: BUSTED: The Real Dana Loesch: A Hypocrite and a Fraud Lying About Andrew Breitbart and Me.

Hilariously, this whole brouhaha was started when Chuck and Dana got in a pissing match over who was really the inheritor of dead Andrew Breitbart’s “legacy.”

Yes, that’s right — they’re squabbling over who’s the sleaziest bottom feeder of them all. Pardon me while I put on some more popcorn. Can they both win?

UPDATE at 1/24/15 8:22:09 pm by Charles Johnson

Loesch fires back at the Ginger Avenger.

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404 comments
1 WhatEVs  Jan 24, 2015 7:45:20pm
Can they both win?

Can I hope they both lose?

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2015 7:45:42pm

hahahaaa:

3 Zamb  Jan 24, 2015 7:47:34pm

Is he accusing her of being to free with the lawsuits in that first paragraph?

4 Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2015 7:47:40pm
5 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar  Jan 24, 2015 7:49:12pm

It’s like watching black and green algae fight over who gets to ruin my pool.

Let me go get my vuvuzela and the foam finger with Team No One written on the side.

6 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 24, 2015 7:49:22pm

Wingnut v Wingnut fratricide. That and some blueberry cheesecake and I’m good for the evening.

RBS

7 Skip Intro  Jan 24, 2015 7:50:17pm

Dana wins simply by not being Charles C. Johnson.

8 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar  Jan 24, 2015 7:50:47pm

Mutually Assured Derpstruction.

Emphasis on Ass

9 goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2015 7:50:48pm
10 WhatEVs  Jan 24, 2015 7:51:40pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

Dana wins simply by not being Charles C. Johnson.

Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations. :-)

11 jaunte  Jan 24, 2015 7:52:03pm

¿Quien Es Mas Breitbart?

12 William of Orange  Jan 24, 2015 7:52:22pm

Yo Chuck!!

I think Geller is also not on the level!!

Go fetch!!!

13 b.d.  Jan 24, 2015 7:52:25pm

With those Bozos working for him I wouldn’t be surprised if Breitbart just didn’t off himself.

What a looney bin.

14 nines09  Jan 24, 2015 7:53:11pm

“I’M SPARTACUS!!!!!”

15 Lidane  Jan 24, 2015 7:54:30pm

It’s like a low class bum fight. I can’t look away and I can’t stop laughing.

16 goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2015 7:54:37pm
17 Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2015 7:54:37pm
18 Skip Intro  Jan 24, 2015 7:55:31pm

Daddy liked me better! Did not! Did too!

I think that covers it.

19 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2015 7:57:18pm

Has Chuck ever named any of his supposed staff? At this point I’m thinking his entire workforce is merely the voices in his head.

20 Skip Intro  Jan 24, 2015 7:58:58pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Has Chuck ever named any of his supposed staff? At this point I’m thinking his entire workforce is merely the voices in his head.

They’re all in the cloud, like his crack legal team.

21 William of Orange  Jan 24, 2015 7:59:12pm
22 William of Orange  Jan 24, 2015 8:00:08pm

re: #9 goddamnedfrank

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I thought it was “Jerry!, Jerry!, Jerry!”

23 Skip Intro  Jan 24, 2015 8:02:24pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Has Chuck ever named any of his supposed staff? At this point I’m thinking his entire workforce is merely the voices in his head.

I’ve now had time for my staff to do a little research on your question, and I’m advised that one of them is named Siri, and the other one is Cortana.

I hope that helps.

24 Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2015 8:04:25pm
25 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2015 8:04:51pm

re: #22 William of Orange

I thought it was “Jerry!, Jerry!, Jerry!”

It was…

…

26 CuriousLurker  Jan 24, 2015 8:05:05pm

Wingnut #WAR! *eyeroll*

Good grief, these people are so spiteful.

27 Democratcstate16  Jan 24, 2015 8:05:52pm

You did see her response right? danaloeschradio.com

28 goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2015 8:06:15pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Has Chuck ever named any of his supposed staff? At this point I’m thinking his entire workforce is merely the voices in his head.

@STKnutsen works for him. She’s some kind of wingnut church secretary in GA who fancies herself a professional researcher. She’s the one who misidentified the slut walk dc photo as being of the alleged UVA rape victim, to try and support the otherwise baseless assertion that she’d “cried rape” before.

@jlangdale claims he got paid by Chuck once too, for some scoop. The guy seems a little bit unstable and desperate to horn in on Chuck’s grifter revenue stream. But he was a USAF image analyst and knows how pixels work, so there’s that. He started calling him out on Twitter more and more broke publicly with CCJ about a month or so ago, around the time of the Neil Degrasse Tyson hit piece.

29 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 24, 2015 8:06:29pm

Limbo lower now
Limbo lower now
How low can you go?

30 goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2015 8:07:27pm

re: #22 William of Orange

I thought it was “Jerry!, Jerry!, Jerry!”

Alright, I’ll fix it.

31 goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2015 8:08:52pm

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

Like I watched that fuckin’ show.

32 ipsos  Jan 24, 2015 8:10:27pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

I’ve now had time for my staff to do a little research on your question, and I’m advised that one of them is named Siri, and the other one is Cortana.

I hope that helps.

I thought it was “Clippy” and “Bob”?

33 Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2015 8:11:28pm
34 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2015 8:12:15pm

re: #32 ipsos

I thought it was “Clippy” and “Bob”?

Yea, leave Siri out of it. It’s bad enough that Rush Limpballs and Karl Rove are Apple fans, like me!

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2015 8:14:21pm

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36 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 24, 2015 8:15:16pm

re: #22 William of Orange

I thought it was “Jerry!, Jerry!, Jerry!”

When I was stationed at Ft. Ord, the conf. room next to our shop had a tv, and at lunch time we’d all run in there to eat and watch Jerry S. The great thing about that show is that no matter how messed up you thought your life was, you could watch that and think “I’m doing pretty damn good. Life’s ok!”.

I also love the time he got punked by the group of street performers from New Orleans. I was dating a girl down there at a time (the second ex), and it was the talk of the town. (The Springer story, not me dating a girl).

RBS

37 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 24, 2015 8:17:03pm

re: #32 ipsos

I thought it was “Clippy” and “Bob”?

It appears you are tweeting baseless claims and suppositions. Would you like some help?

Never played with Microsoft Bob, but I do remember “Packard Bell Navigator”, a shell that sat on top of Win 3.1.

RBS

38 De Kolta Chair  Jan 24, 2015 8:17:06pm

Rick Santorum after his 2006 reelection defeat, or was it after his 2012 defeat? Oh, who cares? Dude’s a loser.

39 WhatEVs  Jan 24, 2015 8:20:38pm

re: #27 Democratcstate16

You did see her response right? danaloeschradio.com

Now here’s a comment I can get behind:

You might well be the two worst people on the entire internet.

40 Democratcstate16  Jan 24, 2015 8:24:06pm

So why exactly is Chuck watermarking a pic that isn’t his..AGAIN?

41 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 24, 2015 8:25:50pm

re: #40 Democratcstate16

So why exactly is Chuck watermarking a pic that isn’t his..AGAIN?

because WordPress plugins are smarter than he is.

RBS

42 goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2015 8:26:51pm

re: #40 Democratcstate16

So why exactly is Chuck watermarking a pic that isn’t his..AGAIN?

Dude watermarks everything. One might say that he’s into Water … Sports.

43 Democratcstate16  Jan 24, 2015 8:27:04pm

re: #39 WhatEVs

totally agree, but lee stranahan isn’t far behind. I’ve met him. He’s arrogant and very misinformed about life…as is most of Breitbart’s people

44 De Kolta Chair  Jan 24, 2015 8:27:44pm

Tax credits? How much more Dubya can ya get?

45 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 8:29:09pm

The comments to this asinine post by UpChuck are pretty funny.

46 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 8:29:41pm

re: #43 Democratcstate16

Welcome, hatchling.

47 Democratcstate16  Jan 24, 2015 8:31:32pm

re: #44 De Kolta Chair

Tax credits? How much more Dubya can ya get?

It’s the GOP party…they get as many tax credits they can invent

48 De Kolta Chair  Jan 24, 2015 8:33:44pm

Cartoon by the great Lee Lorenz

49 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 24, 2015 8:41:06pm

Well this is special!

A. Reading Chucksie’s “attack”, I’m not clear on what the crime is. Her husband benefited from a tax credit? A politician paid them to use their studio for something? So fucking what?

B. Dana Loesch is, according to all evidence, a horrible person. However, Poophobbit made sexist attacks on her on twitter, so I hope she finishes him like Sub Zero in Mortal Kombat.

Which makes me think that a gory fight game featuring Right Wing Media figures might be fun…

50 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 8:42:33pm

I’ve read Upchuck’s and Dana’s pieces.

Slap Fight!
51 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2015 8:47:18pm

re: #49 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well this is special!

A. Reading Chucksie’s “attack”, I’m not clear on what the crime is. Her husband benefited from a tax credit? A politician paid them to use their studio for something? So fucking what?

That’s what I was getting at when I said Chuck doesn’t have a fucking clue about journalistic structure, i.e. how to write shit that flows logically and makes sense.

52 Democratcstate16  Jan 24, 2015 8:52:09pm

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s what I was getting at when I said Chuck doesn’t have a fucking clue about journalistic structure, i.e. how to write shit that flows logically and makes sense.

He gets pleasure going after women who would never give him the time of day

53 Amory Blaine  Jan 24, 2015 8:52:25pm

re: #49 Pawn of the Oppressor

No crime, just flaming hypocrisy.

54 A Cranky One  Jan 24, 2015 8:53:32pm

My new name for UpChuck is King MyAss, because:

- He uses the word My a lot because everything is about him
- Under oath he’d have to admit “My sources all come from my ass”
- King Midas Midas died of starvation as a result of his “vain prayer” for the gold touch. I see some interesting parallels.
- Everything he touches turns to poop
- My Ass is what I’d like to tell him to kiss.

55 De Kolta Chair  Jan 24, 2015 8:57:13pm

Later gators. I leave you with the immortal words of “Funny Girl,” book by Isobel Lennart, music by Jule Styne, and lyrics by Bob Merrill:

Would a convent take a Jewish goil?

But that’s another story.

56 makeitstop  Jan 24, 2015 9:21:20pm

I’ve been away from LGF and the internet for most of the weekend and I missed all of this.

I really hope the run-up to these two articles was more entertaining than the articles themselves, because they both pretty much sucked.

I’ll give Loesch a slight edge because she appears to be slightly more familiar with spelling, grammar and punctuation. But reading dueling articles by two pissy wingnuts is painful enough in itself.

And Chuck’s really got a hangup about ‘mean girls’ lately. What’s up with that?

57 retired cynic  Jan 24, 2015 9:24:26pm

re: #56 makeitstop

… And Chuck’s really got a hangup about ‘mean girls’ lately. What’s up with that?

Wife? Mother in Law?

58 retired cynic  Jan 24, 2015 9:32:30pm

re: #57 retired cynic

He’s looking to capture the audience that he thinks thinks like that?

59 retired cynic  Jan 24, 2015 9:43:48pm

Boy, I killed another thread! :<

60 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 9:49:32pm
61 Kid A  Jan 24, 2015 9:53:30pm

re: #52 Democratcstate16

Welcome, hatchling. By the way, you will never make it out of here alive. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

62 team_fukit  Jan 24, 2015 9:53:31pm

Did anybody notice the other story on ChuckC’s site, about the affair between Republican Reps. Kevin McCarthy and Renee Ellmers?

Wow, it’s a cannibal-fest over there

63 KingKenrod  Jan 24, 2015 10:00:04pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

@jlangdale claims he got paid by Chuck once too, for some scoop. The guy seems a little bit unstable and desperate to horn in on Chuck’s grifter revenue stream. But he was a USAF image analyst and knows how pixels work, so there’s that. He started calling him out on Twitter more and more broke publicly with CCJ about a month or so ago, around the time of the Neil Degrasse Tyson hit piece.

Langdale’s takedown of Chuck is good reading if you suspect Chuck is even more awful in private than he is in public. Warning - this article has a horrifyingly large photo of Chuck at the top.

medium.com

64 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:00:39pm

ICYMI

65 team_fukit  Jan 24, 2015 10:08:26pm

ha, a quote from ChuckC’s article said

I was also the last employee at Breitbart to contact Andrew before he died.

Did he also have the most to gain from Breitbart’s death? I smell a rat. ///

66 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 24, 2015 10:12:48pm

re: #65 team_fukit

So that’s what happened to Breitbart’s Rolex.

67 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 10:25:03pm

re: #64 #FergusonFireside

Motherfucker! Shit’s fucked up!

68 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:31:13pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

Motherfucker! Shit’s fucked up!

Fit the description = black.

Remember the producer guy in LA cuffed, sitting on the curb because he fit the description?

It’s despicable, and common as fuck.

69 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:32:57pm

re: #68 #FergusonFireside

Fit the description = black.

Remember the producer guy in LA cuffed, sitting on the curb because he fit the description?

It’s despicable, and common as fuck.

Then they pull their weapons. And the ease at which they fear for their lives & use said weapons.

Fucked up beyond.

70 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:34:27pm

Kinda sad, that since I have a weekend job & can only appear early am (tired as hell, still waking up)

And late nights (ready to roll) LGF is pretty unpopulated.

71 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:40:35pm

Sarah Palin today. That was the most whack piece of speaking in public ever.

72 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:41:09pm

Opening
Body
Conclusion

Imagine that!

73 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 10:43:54pm

re: #71 #FergusonFireside

Sarah Palin today. That was the most whack piece of speaking in public ever.

Whack job gives whack piece of speaking…

74 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:44:34pm
75 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 10:46:33pm

re: #71 #FergusonFireside

Sarah Palin today. That was the most whack piece of speaking in public ever.

I got through about three minutes of the speech and said “NO!”

The goddamned video is a half hour!

76 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:47:45pm

He’s been arrested I think 3 times so far. They hate his ass.

77 Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 24, 2015 10:47:47pm

I heard that Upchuck’s main assistant is some crazy gal named Sybil and her assistants are Vickie, Marsha, Vanessa, Ruthie, Mary, Nancy, Clara, Helen, Margie, Peggy and Sybil Ann. A couple of Sybil’s guy friends, Mike and Sid, come over when something needs to be built.

It sounds like things are just nuts at Chucky’s Fun House!

78 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 24, 2015 10:50:42pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

I got through about three minutes of the speech and said “NO!”

The goddamned video is a half hour!

Three minutes? You, sir, have a cast iron stomach. I lasted 30 seconds.

79 Varek Raith  Jan 24, 2015 10:52:23pm

Internecine Schadenfreude!

80 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 10:53:02pm

re: #70 #FergusonFireside

Kinda sad, that since I have a weekend job & can only appear early am (tired as hell, still waking up)

And late nights (ready to roll) LGF is pretty unpopulated.

I’m occupied and generally away from computer stuff from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. MST daily. So I feel ya Stanley Sea, we’re the late night showing and there’s no one around.

Fuck it, I say!

81 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 10:55:16pm

re: #78 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Three minutes? You, sir, have a cast iron stomach. I lasted 30 seconds.

Not to mention she drunk-tweeted half a dozen (w/pix) on Hillary Clinton.

82 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 10:56:26pm

Pulling some of Upchuck’s crap, too…

83 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:56:40pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

I’m occupied and generally away from computer stuff from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. MST daily. So I feel ya Stanley Sea, we’re the late night showing and there’s no one around.

Fuck it, I say!

Ya. Bear with me.

OK, what is the fucking correct spelling of that usage. Bare with me. Bear with me. All of my research has led to confusion.

84 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 10:57:17pm

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

Pulling some of Upchuck’s crap, too…

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Damage control. She’s such a fucking idiot.

85 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 10:57:33pm

re: #83 #FergusonFireside

Ya. Bear with me.

OK, what is the fucking correct spelling of that usage. Bare with me. Bear with me. All of my research has led to confusion.

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Bear with me, now.

86 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 11:05:03pm

Unfortunately, it’s times like these, in the dead of the night, that I wonder if this country is going to get past the ignorance and greed that seems to dominate certain segments of the body politic these days.

87 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 11:05:20pm

re: #83 #FergusonFireside

Ya. Bear with me.

OK, what is the fucking correct spelling of that usage. Bare with me. Bear with me. All of my research has led to confusion.

Yes! A particular problem with the verb bear/bare. What in the blarmey hell fucking spelling is correct?!? Fuck if I know.

88 Varek Raith  Jan 24, 2015 11:06:23pm

…

89 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:07:02pm

I think the animal is the correct usage.

The other is what you do with friends, at home, later in the evening.

90 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 11:07:50pm

Explanation of bear/bare.

public.wsu.edu

Carry on.

91 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 11:08:06pm
92 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 11:11:01pm

They water the downhill ski course. Spray water on it. Make it a sheet of ice. For skiers to ski as fast as they can down it. Borderline Psychotic.

93 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 11:11:20pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

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Sort of like the word “enervate” which some people are wont to eliminate since almost no one uses it correctly.

94 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 24, 2015 11:11:23pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

Not to mention she drunk-tweeted half a dozen (w/pix) on Hillary Clinton.

The Tweets I’ve seen here are enough of Twitter to satisfy me. There are some very witty people to be sure although they seem to be in the minority.

95 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:11:51pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

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Popped into brain: Party on, excellent.

We are trained.

96 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:12:25pm

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

Explanation of bear/bare.

public.wsu.edu

Carry on.

Thank you.

97 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 11:13:29pm

US President Obama calls Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to offer condolences for hostage murdered by ISIS, White House says - @Reuters
end of alert

98 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 24, 2015 11:14:13pm

re: #92 teleskiguy

They water the downhill ski course. Spray water on it. Make it a sheet of ice. For skiers to ski as fast as they can down it. Borderline Psychotic.

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What, no pit traps? And some people think that surfing is dangerous.

99 teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2015 11:14:29pm

BEAR

100 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 11:15:16pm

re: #96 #FergusonFireside

Thank you.

You’re welcome.

There are plenty of them here, for future reference.

public.wsu.edu

101 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:17:47pm

So, Sister Sarah goes into a pretty important for the RWNJ’s event. Unprepared, and wasted on adderal.

She gives the bizarre speech we’ve all been waiting for.

Off stage, the SarahPac employees say Great JOB, you killed it!!!

She reads the social media’s hilarious evisceration.

She responds by tweeting bullshit in defense. Furiously.

Idiot squared.

102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2015 11:19:18pm

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

You’re welcome.

There are plenty of them here, for future reference.

public.wsu.edu

Good—it corrects “free reign” and “tow the line”. Now I know where to send people. Thanks!

103 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 11:20:58pm

re: #102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I see, however, that there is no reference to the “your/you’re misuse that seems to be everywhere these days, as in, “Your going to make a mistake.”

104 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:21:49pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

BEAR

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BARE

105 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:24:11pm

re: #103 Justanotherhuman

I see, however, that there is no reference to the “your/you’re misuse that seems to be everywhere these days, as in, “Your going to make a mistake.”

That one should be basic. Not included. It really shows lack of education when folks fuck that one up.

Lazy, or uneducated.

You get one free pass via auto correct, but just one.

106 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2015 11:24:47pm

All I want is for somebody to print out, in an authoritative location, in giant capital letters: “An apostrophe does not mean: ‘Here comes an “s”!’”

107 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:34:11pm

Last night I subjected you to my new found twitter love - Lee Radziwill. Sister of Jacqueline.

Unless I’m being scammed (no blue checkmark)

108 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:35:31pm
109 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:41:39pm

Fake. Fuck I was a rube. I think.

110 #FergusonFireside  Jan 24, 2015 11:42:15pm

gah. love/hate the internet.

111 Chez Ko Pe  Jan 24, 2015 11:46:07pm

#IStandPointingAndLaughing

112 Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 24, 2015 11:49:57pm

re: #101 #FergusonFireside

So, Sister Sarah goes into a pretty important for the RWNJ’s event. Unprepared, and wasted on adderal.

She gives the bizarre speech we’ve all been waiting for.

Off stage, the SarahPac employees say Great JOB, you killed it!!!

She reads the social media’s hilarious evisceration.

She responds by tweeting bullshit in defense. Furiously.

Idiot squared.

You know those booths you step in to that blow money all around you and whatever you can grasp you get to keep? That’s how Sarah’s brain works. Words are just whirling around in there so she grabs one, spits it out, grabs another, spits it out and so on. When she is done, she cheerfully smiles because she knows she just won!

Makes sense now, eh? :)

113 Justanotherhuman  Jan 24, 2015 11:52:45pm

Must get sleep.

Later, Lizards.

114 #FergusonFireside  Jan 25, 2015 12:00:39am

So basically, the Chuck-Dana blow out was a big huge right wing fail. What did we expect.

115 #FergusonFireside  Jan 25, 2015 12:17:18am

Next shift = tomorrow at 1015. See ya’ll.

116 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 12:48:48am

HAHAHA, good luck kid. I’ve met Savage, and worked for The Stranger for awhile. There’s nothing to find, the guy has lived his life in the open longer than Greene has been alive.

I can kind of wrap my head around the Log Cabin dudes who just wanted to argue for economic conservatism while fighting for their own equality int he courts. In case people forget LCR ended up being the party responsible for bringing down DADT. However else one feels about them that’s kind of fucking amazing.

What I will never understand are this weird group of young Tea Party gays who constantly argue against their own equality under the law. The do it under some monomaniacally strict and pedantic reading of the Constitution. One where it’s not the text itself they hold dear, but what they subjectively glean to have been the intent of the people who wrote it. In their view there is no such thing as the tyranny of the majority on this issue. Until the elected legislatures grant gays equal rights to the institution of marriage it’s not legit, and it’s somehow actually fascism for the courts to step in and rectify these injustices.

Shaking my damned head.

117 Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2015 1:14:30am

…

118 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 1:30:29am

Seriously, he’s a terrible writer.

119 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 1:32:35am

I hoped that shit would finally hit the fl fan, but this piece turned out to be a crock.

120 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 1:33:58am
121 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 1:36:30am

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

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Upchuck is all about more money. As long as it’s in his pocket, though.

122 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 1:38:17am

Can’t sleep and now the Munchkin has an earache, probably from the cold he had last week.

And I can’t take him to the dr until tomorrow. Sunday isn’t shaping up well.

123 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 1:53:44am

Whoops.

124 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 1:56:03am

Man, Searcy is a douche, but he’s spanking CCJ so … um golf clap?

125 Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2015 1:56:31am

Scott Walker’s presidential pursuit has damaged his image with some republicans here.

Gov. Scott Walker rejects Kenosha casino project

Gov. Scott Walker has rejected the Kenosha casino project.

Walker announced Friday that he had informed the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) of his decision about the casino project proposed by the Menominee Tribe of Wisconsin and Hard Rock International.

“After a comprehensive review of the potential economic impact of the proposed Kenosha casino project, the risk to the state’s taxpayers is too great,” Walker said. “Due to the compacts negotiated by Governor Doyle, the current cost to taxpayers of approving the proposed casino project is up to $100 million and the long-term economic hit to the state budget would be a potential loss of hundreds of millions of dollars.”

He predictably blames former governor Jim Doyle (mention of this name drives WiGOP Pavlovian response). Cool story bro.

Compact reached with Menominee Tribe over Kenosha casino

…The Menominee tribe hailed the amended compact, saying it eliminates the state’s risk in approving the $800 million facility at the former Dairyland Greyhound Park. Tribe chairwoman Laurie Boivin said in a statement that the compact answers the state’s concerns and Walker now has a “clear path” to approve the project.

The compact lays out gambling rules and outlines how much the Menominee would pay the state if Walker approves the project. WISN-TV reported the tribe would pay the state 7.5 percent of its net winnings from the Kenosha facility.

The compact also states that the tribe would make up any budget shortfall caused by a reduction in payments from compacts with the Potawatomi and Ho-Chunk tribes, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. The Potawatomi tribe, which runs one of the state’s most lucrative casinos in Milwaukee, has led the opposition to the Menominee proposal, fearing that a new competitor would cut into profits.

So his story falls apart, but why would he lie?

Iowa conservatives warn Scott Walker about casino expansion

Influential social conservatives in Iowa are warning Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker that approving a proposed Kenosha casino next month could hurt his presidential bid.

In one of the first tests of his second term, Walker must decide by Feb. 19 whether to approve the $800 million project proposed by the Menominee tribe and backed by Hard Rock International, owned by the Seminole tribe of Florida.

As Walker considers the impact of a casino on Wisconsin, gambling opponents want to make sure he doesn’t forget Iowa’s first-in-the-nation caucus to select presidential nominees. Important for any presidential bid, Iowa is particularly key for Walker, who spent part of his childhood there and now governs a neighboring state.

Tom Coates, executive director of Consumer Credit of Des Moines, wrote Walker after his November re-election and sent him a petition against gambling expansion he said had been signed by 600 Republicans, including U.S. Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and both Republican National Committee members from Iowa, Steve Scheffler and Tamara Scott.

126 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:09:39am

Uh oh, watch out, Nick, or the intrepid investigator will poop on you expose you too!

127 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 2:14:27am

Umm?

128 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:16:44am

You gotta love how a dead smear merchant and hatemonger, who didn’t spend a second of his useless life doing real journalism, is their patron saint.

129 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:19:55am

So it has come to this. Wingnuts, what.

130 Lancelot Link  Jan 25, 2015 2:26:18am

re: #129 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Award winners!

131 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:27:41am

I see that convo is getting even better (that is, worse).

132 Kragar  Jan 25, 2015 2:29:01am

re: #129 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

So it has come to this. Wingnuts, what.

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133 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:30:30am

What happens when two narcissists fight?

134 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:32:51am

Their LGF-induced butthurt is a wonder to behold.

135 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 2:33:22am

re: #131 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I see that convo is getting even better (that is, worse).

The diversion into professional wrestling references was kind of startling. Still, it’s nice when right wingers conform to the caricature of right wingers.

136 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:35:30am

Carlisle. That explains everything.
/

137 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:36:57am

OK, this is funny.

138 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:38:41am

Wingnut mind.

139 Kragar  Jan 25, 2015 2:40:29am
140 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 2:43:08am

What is this I don’t even

141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:50:13am

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

I wondered too. Does he think Romney will run, win, and Cruz will be after him?

142 Kragar  Jan 25, 2015 2:54:19am

re: #141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I wondered too. Does he think Romney will run, win, and Cruz will be after him?

Maybe he means the President of the Hair Club for Men.

143 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 2:58:09am
144 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 3:16:18am

Somebody make a twitter bingo card with “Liberty”, “Molon Labe”, “Eagle”, “Reagan”, “Son, brother, father”, etc.

145 Kragar  Jan 25, 2015 3:32:51am

re: #144 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Somebody make a twitter bingo card with “Liberty”, “Molon Labe”, “Eagle”, “Reagan”, “Son, brother, father”, etc.

Hell, you could get a bingo off of one guy’s bio with that.

146 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 4:19:58am

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

Pulling some of Upchuck’s crap, too…

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When UpChuck insinuates a woman is getting old he’s being ‘misogynistic’, when Princess Dumbass of the North Woods does that she’s being ‘catty’.

Do keep up with the lingo. :D

147 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2015 5:45:34am

ChuckC is a true gentleman. You notice he didn’t make fun of Dana’s disability, her severe scoliosis which is tragically so evident on her book cover.
//

148 lawhawk  Jan 25, 2015 5:45:41am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Yesterday’s snow was the appetizer for the main course coming Monday into Tuesday. They’re now forecasting a foot or more of snow, particularly from Northern NJ east into NYC, Long Island, Connecticut and up into New England. Woo.

I’d rather shovel snow than trying to unwind the steaming piles of derp dumped by Chuckles, Loesch, and their various backers.

The only thing Loesch has going for her is that she calls out Chuckles for being a derptastic fabulist. And she’s not far behind on that account either. So, it’s really that Loesch isn’t Chuckles.

Both truly deserve each other.

Both lie, obfuscate, and in Chuckles’ case, he threatens lawsuits at every opportunity even though he’s got no concept of the legal system, and frankly doesn’t have any money to do anything he say he wants to do. So, he grifts. All the time.

And while I can’t stand the fact that so much time is spent debunking his derp, it’s got to be done because he’s poisoning the Twitterverse and his stories get picked up by other outlets, even though they’re flimsy and unsourced (he’s got unnamed sources everywhere, which is to say nowhere except the voices in his head).

149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 5:46:32am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

ChuckC is a true gentleman. You notice he didn’t make fun of Dana’s disability, her severe scoliosis which is tragically so evident on her book cover.
//

Because he still regularly masturbates to that photo…

150 otoc  Jan 25, 2015 5:46:48am

Comment on the original post…

Wow, a flurry of typical RW nonsense with their inflated proportions being presented as nothing of importance—by them. Love it.

I’m a patient person and an optimist by nature. It’s only a matter of time when these people devoting time to a willing marketplace that feeds them a vocation (let’s be real about the purpose of this fighting couple) find out such markets are as short lived as beanie babies.

The GOP and TP have done a great job inciting their audience into a fear flurry as the number of RW outlets that allow the comment rants of likeminded followers attest.

Eventually, after the election, things will begin to dry up. That’s my hope at least. Until then, the cannibalism that usually comes with extremists vying for the top of the food chain of income and notoriety is great for occasional entertainment. And this is entertainment.

Their market is both proven and tarnished by the wild fantasies of those making a lot more money than these two douches will ever make. That’s what I love about all of this, the more whacked you are, the more you make. Regardless of truth or fact.

151 otoc  Jan 25, 2015 5:47:46am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It’s the rifle he’s focusing on….

152 Maggie's Pa  Jan 25, 2015 5:48:23am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I thought he did that to his own photo.

153 otoc  Jan 25, 2015 5:48:51am

re: #152 Maggie’s Pa

That too…

154 lawhawk  Jan 25, 2015 5:52:09am

Update on Monday night-Tuesday snowfall total predictions via CBS-2 in NYC: 10-15 in NYC; 14-20 on Long Island and up into Connecticut. We’re now looking at 10-15 here in Northern NJ.

And I’m still preferring that snow shoveling to the BS shoveled from the right.

155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 6:03:40am

re: #151 otoc

It’s the rifle he’s focusing on….

He fantasizes that he is her rifle…

156 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2015 6:09:41am

re: #137 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What’s funny is that Chuck doesn’t see that he himself is the biggest insult to his mom.

157 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 6:10:31am

re: #154 lawhawk

Update on Monday night-Tuesday snowfall total predictions via CBS-2 in NYC: 10-15 in NYC; 14-20 on Long Island and up into Connecticut. We’re now looking at 10-15 here in Northern NJ.

And I’m still preferring that snow shoveling to the BS shoveled from the right.

You’re the expert in this so I wanted to ask:

What do you make of the corruption charges against Sheldon Silver?

158 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 6:13:25am

Today’s lesson in modern usage:

Ghurka
Gerkin

Though they are both green, it’s important never to mix them up.

159 PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2015 6:15:21am

re: #154 lawhawk

Philly is going to get it too. :(
forecast.weather.gov

160 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 6:22:29am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Today’s lesson in modern usage:

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Though they are both green, it’s important never to mix them up.

Otherwise you might find yourself in quite a pickle.

161 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 6:23:18am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Otherwise you might find yourself in quite a pickle.

Diced dangerous confusion.

162 lawhawk  Jan 25, 2015 6:28:01am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Posted previously about that. Paged in fact.

Silver’s just the tip of the iceberg. There are likely to be more complaints or indictments handed down in coming weeks and months because Silver was hardly the only one to benefit from the fact that the legislature is a part-time job (allowing everyone to have side jobs that enhance their salaries, increase conflicts of interest, and lax oversight).

Silver’s benefited immensely from the status quo, and he’s fought against efforts to clean up the legislature. But the one step that would do more to stop the corruption and outside influence is the one that few are willing to take - make it a full time job that eliminates all outside jobs.

They’re paid like a full-time position - at $79,500 a year in the Assembly, plus per diems and committee assignments that can add thousands to the base salary.

Silver’s case in particular may have some serious fallout on asbestos litigation in NY and beyond since he works for one of the major asbestos litigators, Weitz and Luxemberg, and one of the major mesothelioma doctors is also implicated.

Among those being targeted or suggested in the next round? Dov Hikind, Greg Ball, George Maziarz, Martin Golden, and Andrew Cuomo (yeah, I buried the lede). There’s Democrats and Republicans on the list, but a couple have already admitted that they’re currently under investigation.

In Hikind’s case, it stems from payments to/from a Brooklyn hospital. Golden’s office confirms they’re being investigated as well. Others were being investigated for improper use of campaign funds to go on trips or make unrelated purchases.

Cuomo’s name comes up because he basically spiked the Moreland Commission which was supposed to be investigating corruption in the state, and instead Cuomo defanged the Commission after the legislature agreed to some cosmetic reforms.

And by putting Silver’s case first, Bharara is signaling to the rest of the legislature that no one is safe, and that they better start dishing or else they too will be on the list for indictments.

163 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 6:31:02am

Morning dogwalk. BBL

164 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 6:45:45am

It’s not looking good in the Philippines. There is no good news this morning, or it seems the bad news is overriding anything good.

30 Filipino police commandos killed in clash with rebels

bigstory.ap.org

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — More than 30 police commandos were killed in a clash with Muslim insurgents Sunday in the southern Philippines in the biggest single-day combat loss for Philippine forces in many years, officials said.

“The commandos had entered the far-flung village of Tukanalipao at dawn looking for a top terror suspect, but had a “misencounter” with members of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and other insurgents, Mayor Tahirudin Benzar Ampatuan of Mamasapano town told The Associated Press by telephone.

“Other insurgents in the area later joined in fighting the outnumbered police forces, the mayor said.” More

165 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 6:47:02am

re: #162 lawhawk

Posted previously about that. Paged in fact.

Silver’s just the tip of the iceberg. There are likely to be more complaints or indictments handed down in coming weeks and months because Silver was hardly the only one to benefit from the fact that the legislature is a part-time job (allowing everyone to have side jobs that enhance their salaries, increase conflicts of interest, and lax oversight).

Silver’s benefited immensely from the status quo, and he’s fought against efforts to clean up the legislature. But the one step that would do more to stop the corruption and outside influence is the one that few are willing to take - make it a full time job that eliminates all outside jobs.

They’re paid like a full-time position - at $79,500 a year in the Assembly, plus per diems and committee assignments that can add thousands to the base salary.

Silver’s case in particular may have some serious fallout on asbestos litigation in NY and beyond since he works for one of the major asbestos litigators, Weitz and Luxemberg, and one of the major mesothelioma doctors is also implicated.

Among those being targeted or suggested in the next round? Dov Hikind, Greg Ball, George Maziarz, Martin Golden, and Andrew Cuomo (yeah, I buried the lede). There’s Democrats and Republicans on the list, but a couple have already admitted that they’re currently under investigation.

In Hikind’s case, it stems from payments to/from a Brooklyn hospital. Golden’s office confirms they’re being investigated as well. Others were being investigated for improper use of campaign funds to go on trips or make unrelated purchases.

Cuomo’s name comes up because he basically spiked the Moreland Commission which was supposed to be investigating corruption in the state, and instead Cuomo defanged the Commission after the legislature agreed to some cosmetic reforms.

And by putting Silver’s case first, Bharara is signaling to the rest of the legislature that no one is safe, and that they better start dishing or else they too will be on the list for indictments.

I sure hope Silver falls. The man has made his living blocking needed changes and funneling money to favored interests. He’s rent-seeking personified.

166 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 6:48:18am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

It’s not looking good in the Philippines. There is no good news this morning, or it seems the bad news is overriding anything good.

30 Filipino police commandos killed in clash with rebels

bigstory.ap.org

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — More than 30 police commandos were killed in a clash with Muslim insurgents Sunday in the southern Philippines in the biggest single-day combat loss for Philippine forces in many years, officials said.

“The commandos had entered the far-flung village of Tukanalipao at dawn looking for a top terror suspect, but had a “misencounter” with members of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and other insurgents, Mayor Tahirudin Benzar Ampatuan of Mamasapano town told The Associated Press by telephone.

“Other insurgents in the area later joined in fighting the outnumbered police forces, the mayor said.” More

“Misencounter” is Mil-Speak for “We got our asses kicked.”

167 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 6:50:47am

US Secretary of State John Kerry arrives in Nigeria as country faces fresh battles with Boko Haram militants - @ajenglish
read more on aljazeera.com

168 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 6:51:14am

3 killed in pro-democracy protests in Egypt, bomb wounds 2 police officers, security sources say - @Reuters
end of alert

169 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 6:51:42am

Power restored after attack on key power line disrupted power to about 80% of Pakistan - @AFP
read more on gulftoday.ae

170 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 6:54:15am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

This post plus #167-169 indicate an active day for Radical Islamist Terror, which means a good day for the Devil.

171 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 6:56:10am

NT Labor president and United Voice secretary Matthew Gardiner travels overseas to fight against Islamic State

abc.net.au

(snip)

“Mr Gardiner was stood down as president of the party and had his membership suspended on Sunday, according to a statement from Territory Labor.

“The 43-year-old served as an Australian Army combat engineer in Somalia in the early 1990s.

(snip)

“About 90 Australians are now thought to be overseas fighting with Islamic State or similar terrorist groups, which has prompted the Government to repeat its warning against people joining the conflict.” More

172 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jan 25, 2015 7:00:16am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Today’s lesson in modern usage:

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Though they are both green, it’s important never to mix them up.

Just for completeness, since there was a bunch of spelling talk upthread, I have to point out that the words are “Gurkha” and “gherkin” respectively.

Unless that was intentional and part of the joke about “mixing them up”, in which case I don’t.

173 CleverToad  Jan 25, 2015 7:04:07am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

#100 & #96 & previous conversations
Late to the party as usual — understand about the limited access times!

But many thanks for the Common Errors site — bookmarked for future reference and pleasant time-wasting just wandering through the examples.

174 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 7:06:46am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

This post plus #167-169 indicate an active day for Radical Islamist Terror, which means a good day for the Devil.

I prefer not to sully the name of a religion these criminals adopt for their own purposes. The Quran forbids both murder and terrorism, as well as aggressive warfare, all of which are being practiced by these “insurgent” groups.

175 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 7:11:55am

re: #148 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Yesterday’s snow was the appetizer for the main course coming Monday into Tuesday. They’re now forecasting a foot or more of snow, particularly from Northern NJ east into NYC, Long Island, Connecticut and up into New England. Woo.

I’d rather shovel snow than trying to unwind the steaming piles of derp dumped by Chuckles, Loesch, and their various backers.

- CUT -

I heard the reports say you may also have strong winds for the full blizzard effect.

Once again we in the Columbus Oha area are riding the storm line that is Interstate 70. Snow north, rain south…which way will the line travel…north or south of I-70?

I’ll take the snow…I fear ice. Ice means Mr. Backwoods Sleuth is out and about in his truck repairing electrical lines and I do not like not having electricity in the winter. Damn furnace won’t run without it. Stove won’t either.

And speaking of Ohio. The Ohio State Football diehard fans, 45,000 strong, packed into The ‘Shoe yesterday in the 35° temps to celebrate the team winning the college football championship.

45,000. I wonder how many of them got off their butts to vote last November when it was in the high 50s? Maybe they need to set up voting booths outside sports stadiums to catch them when they aren’t looking.

176 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 7:12:04am

Anyone interested might want to read this to get a better understanding.

JIHAD AND THE ISLAMIC LAW OF WAR

177 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 25, 2015 7:15:28am

don’t the terms “Hypocrite” and “Fraud” define the right wing mindset in general?

This is isn’t any groundbreaking news. What’s the big deal?

178 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 7:15:53am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

I prefer not to sully the name of a religion these criminals adopt for their own purposes. The Quran forbids both murder and terrorism, as well as aggressive warfare, all of which are being practiced by these “insurgent” groups.

The Bible forbids (and commands) many things, but Christians who have interpretations different from the original intent of the writers are still Christians, and if they commit terror in the name of Christianity, they’re Christian terrorists.

179 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 7:17:15am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

I prefer not to sully the name of a religion these criminals adopt for their own purposes. The Quran forbids both murder and terrorism, as well as aggressive warfare, all of which are being practiced by these “insurgent” groups.

I’m not sullying anything, they did that. And I always ensure I say “Radical Islam” or “Islamist” to make clear I’m not talking about Muslims in general. But the Salafist death-cult is Islamic, just that its the worst parts of Islam, taken to extremes. But to refuse to see it as Islamic is as foolish as refusing to see Opus Dei as Roman Catholic.

180 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 7:17:40am

re: #178 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The Bible forbids (and commands) many things, but Christians who have interpretations different from the original intent of the writers are still Christians, and if they commit terror in the name of Christianity, they’re Christian terrorists.

THIS.

181 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 7:18:06am

re: #178 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Christians who have interpretations different from the original intent of the writers

Which is, btw, at least 99% of them.

182 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 7:19:59am

re: #178 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The Bible forbids (and commands) many things, but Christians who have interpretations different from the original intent of the writers are still Christians, and if they commit terror in the name of Christianity, they’re Christian terrorists.

I prefer to call any of them apostates. They’re simply not following the religious precepts of their religion.

183 Belafon  Jan 25, 2015 7:20:45am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

This post plus #167-169 indicate an active day for Radical Islamist Terror, which means a good day for the Devil.

You’re probably young enough that you don’t have any direct memories, and you’re history probably didn’t cover this, but a good portion of the violence that occurred against blacks in the South was done in the name of Christianity, where whites used the Bible to justify their treatment of blacks. Should we sully all of Christianity with that?

184 Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2015 7:23:12am
185 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 7:24:15am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

I prefer to call any of them apostates. They’re simply not following the religious precepts of their religion.

The problem is that ‘apostasy’ not only has definition in Islam, but is also punishable by death. Therefore, if you called Islamist terrorists ‘apostates’, the impression the enemy will take is that you want to kill them all, and they’ll use that to fuel their “war on Islam” propaganda.

186 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 7:24:34am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

I prefer to call any of them apostates. They’re simply not following the religious precepts of their religion.

Actually they do. There is no pure religion in vacuum. Religion is always interpretation - more literal, less literal, more creative, less creative, whatever. Unless you can find a method of establishing the “one true interpretation” of Islam, all versions of Islam are on the same epistemological ground (moral questions and compatibility with the modern world aside). Note that “one true interpretation” is not the same as “the original intent interpretation” (otherwise true Christians would have to be YECs, as an example, since the Biblical authors did believe in young earth).

187 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 7:27:36am

re: #186 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The standard argument is that any Muslim who is not in favor of killing and terror is not a “true Muslim” (or simply lying or hiding his true colors) whereas Christians who murder and terrorize are acting outside the tenets of their religion

188 Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2015 7:29:45am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that ‘apostasy’ not only has definition in Islam, but is also punishable by death. Therefore, if you called Islamist terrorists ‘apostates’, the impression the enemy will take is that you want to kill them all, and they’ll use that to fuel their “war on Islam” propaganda.

But what if other Muslims do it? For instance, Prince Turki al-Faisal of Saudi Arabia, who all but called ISIS “apostates”?

Moreover, the group’s styling itself as “Islamic State” shows it is completely out of touch with reality and ignorant of international laws, since the dictionary definition of the word “state” is: “a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite sovereign territory, overseen by a group of permanent institutions.” The essential components of any state are, therefore, a government, a people, a defined physical territory, and sovereignty, as well as the international and legal recognition of its statehood. Neither Iraq nor Syria totally fall under the control of this group, neither does it practice its authority via permanent institutions—and, of course, there is no international recognition of any kind for this so-called state. As for its “Islamic” credentials, these are completely bogus. The members of this group are indeed the new Kharijites of the Muslim world (a 7th-century group that left the fold of Islam and was notorious for its barbarity and cruelty). ISIS’s crimes testify to the appropriateness of this particular appellation.

In Muslim terms, that’s pretty much outright calling them apostates.

189 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 7:30:28am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The standard argument is that any Muslim who is not in favor of killing and terror is not a “true Muslim” (or simply lying or hiding his true colors) whereas Christians who murder and terrorize are acting outside the tenets of their religion

Indeed. Just as killing Christians are Christians, killing Muslims are Muslims.
Someone who says otherwise merely arbitrarily picked one interpretation of Christianity (or Islam) and declared it as correct.
It is not possible to do it consistently outside the religion (an atheist has no business picking “one true version” of any religion, for example).
It is possible to do it consistently inside the religion (a member of sect A can consistently believe that a member of sect B is an apostate). But such intrareligious classification is not binding upon anyone outside that particular sect.

190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 7:33:34am

re: #189 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

We in the West also tend to look on Saudi Arabia as some sort of “moderate” Muslims because they are our economic partners and political allies. They practice a very fundamentalist form of Islam, but the USA accepts and tolerates it because they help support our interests in the region (at least over the short term).

But we blithely forget that fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 attackers were Saudis, or as initial news reports indicated “men with Saudi passports”.

191 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 7:33:52am

re: #186 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Who do you think made those kinds of decisions over the hundreds of years of the various religions? Who “interpreted” what was written by others and played out their versions? The same thing can be said these days about the “intent of the Founders” concerning the Constitution, an exercise that goes on today and some of what we’ve seen in Iowa.

It was human beings, not some Grand Master Chess Player in the Sky, and none of us are perfect. It’s why I remain an atheist and continue trying to understand human beings, not just religions. In my mind, no killing is justified except to save your own life.

192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 7:34:52am

re: #191 Justanotherhuman

Who do you think made those kinds of decisions over the hundreds of years of the various religions? Who “interpreted” what was written by others and played out their versions? The same thing can be said these days about the “intent of the Founders” concerning the Constitution, an exercise that goes on today and some of what we’ve seen in Iowa.

It was human beings, not some Grand Master Chess Player in the Sky, and none of us are perfect. It’s why I remain an atheist and continue trying to understand human beings, not just religions. In my mind, no killing is justified except to save your own life.

Which is why we make a distinction between the Constitution, which is a living document, written by fallible human beings, and Divinely Dictated Scripture.

193 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 7:38:29am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Which is why we make a distinction between the Constitution, which is a living document, written by fallible human beings, and Divinely Dictated Scripture.

Well, I suppose, if you actually believe in “Divinely Dictated Scripture” which I don’t.

Look at this nutjob Cindy Jacobs, for instance. She actually believes she’s a “prophet” and has divine powers. And look who associates with her.

rightwingwatch.org

194 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 7:39:12am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We in the West also tend to look on Saudi Arabia as some sort of “moderate” Muslims because they are our economic partners and political allies. They practice a very fundamentalist form of Islam, but the USA accepts and tolerates it because they help support our interests in the region (at least over the short term).

But we blithely forget that fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 attackers were Saudis, or as initial news reports indicated “men with Saudi passports”.

Who is this ‘we’ you speak of? Because many people in America do remember where so many of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

195 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 7:39:29am

re: #191 Justanotherhuman

Yes, it was human beings, and that’s the point. Interpretation of sect A is not more correct than that of sect B unless you happen to be a member of sect A.

All one could argue is that someone has deviated from classical/traditional/historical interpretations of a particular religion (e.g. Mormons from historical Christianity; Protestants from historical Christianity; Catholics… well, you see where this leads; it’s also highly contextual). “Historical” != “one true” (or do we hold that the modern liberal versions of Christianity are objectively false and heretical, given how strongly they deviate from the historical Christianity? It’s a double-edged sword.)

196 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 7:40:27am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Who is this ‘we’ you speak of? Because many people in America do remember where so many of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

But it did not seem to have any major effect on our diplomatic or economic relations with them. Which shows how dependent we are on remaining in their good graces…

197 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 7:43:33am

Holy moly, NYC, NJ, CN area, you’re gonna get smacked tomorrow.

weather.com

198 JDRhoades  Jan 25, 2015 7:54:07am

re: #36 RealityBasedSteve

The great thing about that show is that no matter how messed up you thought your life was, you could watch that and think “I’m doing pretty damn good. Life’s ok!”.

That is the point of pretty much all “reality television. “

199 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 7:58:29am

re: #195 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Well, we’re not the same humans as those who came before us, considering the state of education, economy, society and politics.

Although it’s pretty clear that some would prefer traveling back in time to revive those conditions.

200 darthstar  Jan 25, 2015 7:59:51am
201 darthstar  Jan 25, 2015 8:00:30am

Nice tweet placement in the article image, Charles.

202 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 8:04:37am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Country of origin does not indicate government instigation or involvement without more evidence than just that.

203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jan 25, 2015 8:07:31am

re: #197 Justanotherhuman

Holy moly, NYC, NJ, CN area, you’re gonna get smacked tomorrow.

weather.com

Looks just as bad in Boston too.

204 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 8:08:04am

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

Country of origin does not indicate government instigation or involvement without more evidence than just that.

9/11 was an expensive multi-person, multi-year effort. Someone with accountants on the payroll knows where much of the money came from.

205 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 8:12:42am

NYPD officers capture coyote in lower Manhattan - @nypost
nypost.com

It was done as humanely as possible…

“Cops in the badlands of Stuyvesant Town corralled this coyote early Sunday.

“The seemingly healthy canid was first spotted sprinting past a guard shack at ConEd’s East 14th Street plant a little after 7 a.m., touching off a wild half-hour-long chase.

(snip)

“Police shot it with a tranquilizer dart and then snared it with a catch pole. It was put into an over-sized dog crate and safely hauled away.” More

206 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 8:15:32am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

NYPD officers capture coyote in lower Manhattan - @nypost
nypost.com

It was done as humanely as possible…

“Cops in the badlands of Stuyvesant Town corralled this coyote early Sunday.

“The seemingly healthy canid was first spotted sprinting past a guard shack at ConEd’s East 14th Street plant a little after 7 a.m., touching off a wild half-hour-long chase.

(snip)

“Police shot it with a tranquilizer dart and then snared it with a catch pole. It was put into an over-sized dog crate and safely hauled away.” More

It’s lucky it wasn’t a black coyote.

207 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 8:16:46am

Obama, Modi display bond, cite progress toward nuclear ties

bigstory.ap.org

208 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 8:18:12am
209 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 25, 2015 8:18:14am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

NYPD officers capture coyote in lower Manhattan - @nypost
nypost.com

It was done as humanely as possible…

“Cops in the badlands of Stuyvesant Town corralled this coyote early Sunday.

“The seemingly healthy canid was first spotted sprinting past a guard shack at ConEd’s East 14th Street plant a little after 7 a.m., touching off a wild half-hour-long chase.

(snip)

“Police shot it with a tranquilizer dart and then snared it with a catch pole. It was put into an over-sized dog crate and safely hauled away.” More

Why aren’t people’s pets treated this well in police raids? They just kill dogs, rather than using a tranq dart.

210 EmmaAnne  Jan 25, 2015 8:18:18am

re: #102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Good—it corrects “free reign” and “tow the line”. Now I know where to send people. Thanks!

It doesn’t have “here, here” though. :-(

211 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 8:18:50am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

True.

Yet none of which points very reliably at Saudi Government involvement in the 9/11plot.

When Americans tried to overthrow an African government, was it fair to assume our President was behind the plot? Should Ireland have thought the US government was secretly behind the IRA? Cause lots of American money bought guns and bomb materials.

Many rightly say we invaded Iraq the second time on thin and false evidence. Some of those claim we invaded the wrong country when we went after the Taliban in Afghanistan. That we should have invaded Saudi for no other reasons than A-Most of the attackers were from there and B-We were really really mad enough to invade somebody anybody. Even on on thin or misleading evidence.

These things do not work together.

What happened to the lesson to be far more careful, not less about who we invade?

212 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 8:24:21am

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

Don’t know the source of 9/11 funding, but I’m pretty sure it’s knowable, and probably known by people we pay to know things.

213 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 8:28:39am

BBL.

214 Kid A  Jan 25, 2015 8:29:41am

Someone here needs to shop Upchuck’s face to this:

215 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 8:35:16am

re: #209 No Country For Old Haters

Why aren’t people’s pets treated this well in police raids? They just kill dogs, rather than using a tranq dart.

A part of the reason is that most dart guns are long guns, so to carry one a cop has to not carry the shotgun, SMG, or assault rifle he would need to deal with an armed and hostile human.

It’s also that killing the dog is sometimes done for intimidation purposes as a way to scare those being raided into compliance. One tactic when taking prisoners (or hostages in the case of terrorists) is to kill someone right at the start to let the others know you are willing to kill. Killing a dog can accomplish much of this purpose without the potential repercussions of killing a human.

216 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 8:37:33am

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Don’t know the source of 9/11 funding, but I’m pretty sure it’s knowable, and probably known by people we pay to know things.

Well little if any of this has been dis proven And the money involved was on a scale easily smuggled in for decades from people illegally leaving a country and entering here with their wealth hidden in hard assets or that informal banking system many in the middle east use. When the shah fell people came in with that kind of money in diamonds smuggled out. My dad and I helped one family do exactly that back in the day.

When “Polar Cap” hit, that is to say gold/money laundering raids happened here in los Angeles the number was billions of dollars. No terror involvement there, but it shows how easily money moves under the radar.

As far as any government instigating or knowingly supporting that plot goes, I simply await better evidence than origin.

217 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 25, 2015 8:42:45am

re: #206 Decatur Deb

It’s lucky it wasn’t a black coyote.

Beaten!

Aw, well my backup joke was to say that since this is the NYPD… “Officers, in imminent fear for their safety, fired 250 rounds at the coyote. Eight bystanders were seriously injured. The coyote got away”

218 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 8:44:38am

re: #214 Kid A

Someone here needs to shop Upchuck’s face to this:

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Doggie looks proud of the accomplishment. Yeah, that is very Charles C. Johnson-like.

(I’d shop CCJs head to the doggie…but I don’t want to demean the doggie.)

219 jaunte  Jan 25, 2015 8:47:42am

The outreach continues.

220 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 8:49:25am

re: #214 Kid A

221 lawhawk  Jan 25, 2015 8:50:31am

Blizzard watch now in effect for most of NYC metro area. Now reporting 10-18 inches of snow likely Monday into Tuesday. High amounts locally, and blowing snow means that it’s going to be a mess. Schools will be open tomorrow, but Tuesday may well be a snow day for NYC (which is a pretty uncommon thing).

222 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 8:54:31am

re: #199 Justanotherhuman

Well, we’re not the same humans as those who came before us, considering the state of education, economy, society and politics.

Although it’s pretty clear that some would prefer traveling back in time to revive those conditions.

Absolutely true! Which is why I find the “apostate” approach highly problematic on practical grounds too. Because practically speaking, even if one could establish “the true [insert religion name here]”, it’s not a fact that we would actually want people to follow it. Because while corpora of religious text do contain some “good” rules, they more often than not contain a lot of stuff incompatible with the modern world. So, again practically speaking, in such cases we would like folks to be “apostates”. The opposite approach closes the door for reformism.

223 Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2015 8:55:43am

OK, for all you Lizards who are fans of enigmatic mysteries, here’s a great documentary I stumbled across on YouTube regarding the Zodiac Killer. Apparently, this came as part of the Special Edition DVD of Zodiac (2007).

This is straight-up interviews with the police and investigators recalling the case. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen it, and it’s something to see the actual LEO’s involved in this bizarre - and still unsolved - serial killer case.

…

224 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 8:56:27am

re: #217 Pawn of the Oppressor

Beaten!

Aw, well my backup joke was to say that since this is the NYPD… “Officers, in imminent fear for their safety, fired 250 rounds at the coyote. Eight bystanders were seriously injured. The coyote got away”

That doesn’t work, given how few people are actually shot by the NYPD. There was that crowd-shooting incident back in 2012, but that was the exception, not the rule.

And moreover, 250 rounds? Only Imperial Stormtroopers are that inaccurate. ;)

225 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 8:57:15am

re: #221 lawhawk

Blizzard watch now in effect for most of NYC metro area. Now reporting 10-18 inches of snow likely Monday into Tuesday. High amounts locally, and blowing snow means that it’s going to be a mess. Schools will be open tomorrow, but Tuesday may well be a snow day for NYC (which is a pretty uncommon thing).

Don’t remember a remarkable number of snow days in Vernon Valley. Here in Baja Alabama we once closed the schools on a weather forecast rumor of light snow.

226 lawhawk  Jan 25, 2015 9:00:58am
227 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 9:01:05am

From what I remember of the urban ecology of NYC, a lot more coyotes might be a good thing.

228 lawhawk  Jan 25, 2015 9:02:40am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Probably. We’re also now seeing a resurgence of bald eagles around NJ too (though I haven’t personally seen them yet). Offshore, seals and whales are increasingly common, so it’s a sign the environment is recovering and doing much better than it used to.

229 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 9:02:42am

re: #226 lawhawk

All these Republicans keep invoking G-d saying that He told them to run for the White House. G-d, it seems, has a perverse sense of humor

Evidence of his infinite mercy. Think of the damage they’d do if they tried to be plumbers or barbers.

230 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 9:04:40am

re: #226 lawhawk

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I think God enjoys a good joke. He made humans after all. That had to have some entertainment factors involved.

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231 electrotek  Jan 25, 2015 9:04:43am

Women like Dana is why I would never marry a conservative.

232 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 25, 2015 9:05:23am

re: #172 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Just for completeness, since there was a bunch of spelling talk upthread, I have to point out that the words are “Gurkha” and “gherkin” respectively.

Unless that was intentional and part of the joke about “mixing them up”, in which case I don’t.

If you accidentally request a ghurka in a deli, does he slice your sandwich for you?
/

233 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 9:05:34am

re: #228 lawhawk

Probably. We’re also now seeing a resurgence of bald eagles around NJ too (though I haven’t personally seen them yet). Offshore, seals and whales are increasingly common, so it’s a sign the environment is recovering and doing much better than it used to.

Yes. In my time I’ve seen the rivers of Pittsburgh go from toxic metal sumps to competition bass steams.

STOP THE EPA JERB KILLERS11!1

234 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 9:06:36am

re: #218 ObserverArt

Doggie looks proud of the accomplishment. Yeah, that is very Charles C. Johnson-like.

(I’d shop CCJs head to the doggie…but I don’t want to demean the doggie.)

Sorry doggie! My bad.

235 jaunte  Jan 25, 2015 9:06:50am

“In the macho comic-book world where Steube’s imagination dwells, armed college kids will stand ready to whip their pistols out of their book bags and shoot down crazed campus intruders with flawless aim.

This delusion has been nurtured by the National Rifle Association, which owns so many stooges in the Legislature that a dozen others would have been thrilled to introduce the campus gun bill, if Steube had balked.”

236 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 25, 2015 9:08:18am

re: #183 Belafon

You’re probably young enough that you don’t have any direct memories, and you’re history probably didn’t cover this, but a good portion of the violence that occurred against blacks in the South was done in the name of Christianity, where whites used the Bible to justify their treatment of blacks. Should we sully all of Christianity with that?

Are we sullying Christianity with that, or did they do it to themselves?

237 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 9:13:52am

Senior State Department official says Secretary Kerry told Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov costs to Russia will only increase if attacks on Ukraine continue; pair also discussed Syria in phone call Sunday - @NBCNews
end of alert

238 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 9:17:58am

This is just damned depressing—not the last, but the first mentioned.

Box Office: ‘American Sniper’ Hits Stunning $200M; Johnny Depp Fizzles

hollywoodreporter.com

I want entertainment, not a propaganda movie.

239 Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2015 9:18:17am
240 retired cynic  Jan 25, 2015 9:22:27am

re: #219 jaunte

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The outreach continues.

What a truly disgusting man.

241 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 25, 2015 9:23:22am

re: #217 Pawn of the Oppressor

Beaten!

Aw, well my backup joke was to say that since this is the NYPD… “Officers, in imminent fear for their safety, fired 250 rounds at the coyote. Eight bystanders were seriously injured. The coyote got away”

But everyone knows that coyote is really a crazy clown anyways.

242 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 25, 2015 9:23:40am

Did Donald get lost in the Palin shuffle or did I miss something?

Donald Trump arrived at a high-profile GOP gathering in Iowa to train his fire on his fellow Republicans, telling the audience that neither Mitt Romney nor Jeb Bush can win the presidential nomination.

He draw applause for those lines at the Freedom Summit, a gathering that neither of those men attended.

“It can’t be Mitt, because Mitt ran and failed. He failed,” Trump said, bringing cheers from the audience. “He choked. He had that election won.”

Turning to Bush, Trump cited the former Florida governor’s support of Common Core education standards and a path to legalization for undocumented immigrants as straying too far from conservative ideology.

Although Trump is irrelevant in the long term his remarks provide a preview of far right attacks on Romney and Bush.

243 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 9:27:54am

re: #235 jaunte

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Unfortunately, a lot of ordinary people also live in that “macho comic-book world”.

244 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 9:29:15am

re: #238 Justanotherhuman

The unexpected part is A.S. doing so well. Mordecai was not going to be entertaining. Just awful. 12% Rotten Tomatoes rating. yeesh. Worse than Blackhat another mess of a movie despite a capable leading man.

Apart from gross dollars A.S. may be best measured by foreign seats filled. That not a Rah Rah Team America crowd. That if it goes well I think would be Bradley Coopers skills. Dollars are a crappy measure of quality.

What do ya like in general?

245 Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2015 9:32:12am

The GOP should get down on its knees and thank the “liberal” media for not reporting a single thing about Palin’s insane speech, or any of the other crazy things the other GOPer’s said yesterday.

They made it all sound absolutely normal.

246 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 9:40:47am

re: #238 Justanotherhuman

This is just damned depressing—not the last, but the first mentioned.

Box Office: ‘American Sniper’ Hits Stunning $200M; Johnny Depp Fizzles

hollywoodreporter.com

I want entertainment, not a propaganda movie.

American Sniper wouldn’t be doing so well if it didn’t strike a chord for Americans, and it happens that the cord it strikes is a one as old as the Revolution: That of the Brave Rifleman, slayer of the nation’s enemies at range.

247 b_sharp  Jan 25, 2015 9:44:44am

Hey lizards, what’s up?

248 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 9:47:16am

re: #247 b_sharp

Sunday morning talk shows, Photoshop fun and some good conversation.

You?

249 Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2015 9:47:18am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

American Sniper is in wide release here in the Czech Republic. Most interestingly here, however, is that the people I’ve know who went to see it did so because it was directed by Clint Eastwood. He’s widely regarded by film buffs here as one of the best American directors ever, and that alone seems to be a huge selling point, at least here.

250 b_sharp  Jan 25, 2015 9:48:24am

re: #248 Rightwingconspirator

Sunday morning talk shows, Photoshop fun and some good conversation.

You?

Still suffering from last night I’m afraid.

Hoping the conversation here will take my mind off things.

251 bratwurst  Jan 25, 2015 9:48:44am

I haven’t seen American Sniper and I never will. As this is the case, I am certainly not going to call it propaganda or anything else. My issue is that if I want to spend 2 hours with a pathological liar, I am pretty sure I know how to make that happen without paying $12 for the privilege.

252 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 9:50:28am

re: #244 Rightwingconspirator

The unexpected part is A.S. doing so well. Mordecai was not going to be entertaining. Just awful. 12% Rotten Tomatoes rating. yeesh. Worse than Blackhat another mess of a movie despite a capable leading man.

Apart from gross dollars A.S. may be best measured by foreign seats filled. That not a Rah Rah Team America crowd. That if it goes well I think would be Bradley Coopers skills. Dollars are a crappy measure of quality.

What do ya like in general?

I think the Weinstein Co releases quality domestic movies as well as some foreign-based ones. I also like some foreign movies, and psychological murder mysteries are always up there at the top, as well.

weinsteinco.com

253 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2015 9:56:24am

re: #251 bratwurst

Twitter is free*

*existing internet connection not included

254 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 9:57:41am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

American Sniper wouldn’t be doing so well if it didn’t strike a chord for Americans, and it happens that the cord it strikes is a one as old as the Revolution: That of the Brave Rifleman, slayer of the nation’s enemies at range.

Now somebody at a studio will see those big numbers for A.S. and remake Sgt York. Or do a Carlos Hathcock movie. That’s what they do-glom onto a success often misunderstanding what made the first one great.

BTW Mrs Kyle has producer credit. What with the big gross the family should be fine for money, the kids get educated. I have heard steps were taken to get a trust together for them, isolated from the large Ventura defamation judgement hanging over the family.

255 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 10:02:10am

re: #252 Justanotherhuman

I think the Weinstein Co releases quality domestic movies as well as some foreign-based ones. I also like some foreign movies, and psychological murder mysteries are always up there at the top, as well.

weinsteinco.com

Loved The Aviator.

256 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2015 10:04:30am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

That kid with the RPG wasn’t an enemy until we invaded his country because of some complete bullshit sold to us by the White House.

257 lawhawk  Jan 25, 2015 10:06:30am

Stupid is as stupid does. 158 IQ and all.

258 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 10:07:51am

re: #256 GlutenFreeJesus

That kid with the RPG wasn’t an enemy until we invaded his country because of some complete bullshit sold to us by the White House.

I was speaking about the elements of national myth, GFJ. Those don’t necessarily square with the facts on the ground in a given war.

259 Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2015 10:09:30am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

American Sniper wouldn’t be doing so well if it didn’t strike a chord for Americans, and it happens that the cord it strikes is a one as old as the Revolution: That of the Brave Rifleman, slayer of the nation’s enemies at range.

How exactly were they “the nation’s enemies”? What the fuck did Iraq do to our country? Keeping drinking the kool-aide.

260 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 10:11:20am

re: #256 GlutenFreeJesus

That kid with the RPG wasn’t an enemy until we invaded his country because of some complete bullshit sold to us by the White House.

Moreover, I need to reiterate that when Chris Kyle took aim at that kid, what mattered was not anything the White House had done or said, but keeping that kid from killing his comrades. That may come across as overly simplistic, but it needs to be remembered that in combat some things are brutally simple. In such circumstances, it’s less about which cause is right than about staying alive and keeping your buddies alive.

261 Lidane  Jan 25, 2015 10:12:17am

re: #251 bratwurst

I’ll watch it eventually. The boyfriend and I catch up on all the movies we don’t see in theaters by doing Redbox nights.

There are very few films I’ll pay full price for, but a couple of bucks at Redbox isn’t as much of an issue.

262 Dark_Falcon  Jan 25, 2015 10:15:38am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Would you people please cut me some slack instead of downdinging me continually?! Sometimes I don’t explain every detail of what I mean because I want a short and easy-to-read post. But that doesn’t mean I’m being a goddamn wingnut, which every time I speak about American Sniper or Iraq people here seem to think I’m being!

Do you want to hear what I have to say on the matter or not?

263 bratwurst  Jan 25, 2015 10:18:18am

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

Do you want to hear what I have to say on the matter or not?

I have been waiting more than 24 hours to hear how the ACA is an Obama “overreach” and what you think would be a reasonable alternative for those of us with pre-existing conditions. If you are not a “goddamn wingnut” then SURELY you have some thoughts there and are not merely parroting GOP leadership.

264 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 25, 2015 10:20:14am

Well, I’ve just done a hard wipe on my Nexus 7 (2012 model). When they pushed Android 5 onto it, it make it so disfunctional to be unusable. After the hard wipe it still has 5 on it, but now it seems to be running very nicely again. Now I get to reinstall the apps I want, and get stuff arranged how I like it.

We had a whopping 1/2 inch of snow here on the Tenn-Ky boarder yesterday morning, only problem was that my drivers door had frozen shut, so I had to crawl in from the passenger side. It thawed out quickly once I started driving however, and I could get out like a normal person.

RBS

265 Lidane  Jan 25, 2015 10:20:26am

Heh.

266 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 10:22:02am

re: #254 Rightwingconspirator

Now somebody at a studio will see those big numbers for A.S. and remake Sgt York. Or do a Carlos Hathcock movie. That’s what they do-glom onto a success often misunderstanding what made the first one great.

BTW Mrs Kyle has producer credit. What with the big gross the family should be fine for money, the kids get educated. I have heard steps were taken to get a trust together for them, isolated from the large Ventura defamation judgement hanging over the family.

She’ll never have to work a day in her life from now on—well, if she doesn’t “go Hollywood”. Receipts for his “book” (to which she contributed) made them millionaires already.

Here’s a review written by Matt Taibbi (didn’t see that until I was halfway through) which pretty much seals my choice not to see it.

‘American Sniper’ Is Almost Too Dumb to Criticize

Read more: rollingstone.com

“I saw American Sniper last night, and hated it slightly less than I expected to. Like most Clint Eastwood movies - and I like Clint Eastwood movies for the most part - it’s a simple, well-lit little fairy tale with the nutritional value of a fortune cookie that serves up a neatly-arranged helping of cheers and tears for target audiences, and panics at the thought of embracing more than one or two ideas at any time.” More

And this…

How ‘American Sniper’ Could Complicate the Murder Trial of Chris Kyle’s Killer

In the wake of the record-breaking box office for the Clint Eastwood film, the defendant’s attorney asks, “Can there be a fair trial?”

hollywoodreporter.com

267 Ace-o-aces  Jan 25, 2015 10:23:24am
268 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 10:24:35am

I

269 PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2015 10:28:06am

It does not look good for Philly. :(
weather.gov

270 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 10:31:12am
271 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 10:32:46am
272 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 10:33:16am
273 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 10:33:59am
274 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 10:36:21am
275 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 10:37:15am

re: #273 Charles Johnson

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“Sorry that page doesn’t exist”??

276 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 10:37:58am

re: #274 Charles Johnson

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So, fake fight?

277 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 10:39:12am
278 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 25, 2015 10:41:59am

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

re: #269 PhillyPretzel

Damn. I remember living in places where the river froze over and we had lots of snow. I never became accustomed to it. Here in my corner of SoCal it already in the mid-seventies and headed for eighty under depressingly clear skies. There’s a chance of something called “rain” on Monday but, I’m not counting on it.

279 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 10:42:18am
280 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 25, 2015 10:48:24am

Fun in the Eurozone:
Greek election exit polls suggest a strong lead for the leftist Syriza party over the governing conservatives.

…If the early surveys are confirmed, Syriza’s leader Tsipras would become Greece’s youngest-ever prime minister, heading a government openly opposed to bailout conditions imposed by international lenders…

Brother, can you spare a Drachma?

281 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2015 10:50:29am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

WMD in Iraq. That sure was a national myth.

282 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 10:55:20am

Hey, Charles, you got a mention in the Crooks and Liars story about Sarah Palin’s speech.

Sarah Palin Gives Long Rambling Speech - C&L

283 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 10:57:45am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

American Sniper wouldn’t be doing so well if it didn’t strike a chord for Americans, and it happens that the cord it strikes is a one as old as the Revolution: That of the Brave Rifleman, slayer of the nation’s enemies at range.

Not this American. And I sure as hell hope not the majority of Americans.

I hope I live in the real world and not some glorified war novel full of cliched bullshit.

Maybe you should read Johnny Got His Gun sometime. Have you?

Oh wait…it is probably not allowed. Dalton Trumbo was on the artists black list as a commie. We didn’t want people to read about real war…only glorious war as loved by the chickenhawk set.

284 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 10:59:57am

re: #251 bratwurst

I haven’t seen American Sniper and I never will. As this is the case, I am certainly not going to call it propaganda or anything else. My issue is that if I want to spend 2 hours with a pathological liar, I am pretty sure I know how to make that happen without paying $12 for the privilege.

I don’t like movies about any war that took place after WWII.

285 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 11:01:38am

re: #259 Dr. Matt

How exactly were they “the nation’s enemies”? What the fuck did Iraq do to our country? Keeping drinking the kool-aide.

I think again , the designation of “enemy” has to do with public perception of who our “enemy” is and not necessarily the actual situation.

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

286 Bass Reeves  Jan 25, 2015 11:02:37am

I saw A.S. opening night, and thought it was a pretty well done, depressing movie. I did not view it as a propaganda film at all. Normally the propaganda movies try to glorify the training and play up camaraderie. I really didn’t see it here. This film spoke to Kyle’s emotional dysfunction, and the overly simplistic view he had of the conflict. None of the people he was close to in the movie (wife, brother, teammates) with had the same view he did, and he obviously couldn’t understand that. Cooper and Eastwood did a very good job portraying that, which makes it odd for me to see people saying the movie glorified war.

re: #256 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s a really good point. Which I don’t think the movie fully explored, but I think that’s because Kyle didn’t understand it himself. He spent all that time over there, and (at least in the movie) never seemed to have any use for the Iraqis other than his terp. What’s particularly sad about that is the whole underpinning of counter-insurgency theory is that you can’t beat an insurgency by killing the insurgents, you have to get the population on your side. The Kyle of the movie (haven’t decided whether or not to read the book) didn’t get that, never understood why he was over there. I spent 13 months in Ramadi in from 2007-2008 (including 8 months before the Anbar Awakening) doing all I could to keep the people I was around alive (both US and Iraqis), and I have no doubt that if the Sunnis hadn’t *decided* to cooperate, no amount of sniper kills would have allowed us to extricate from the country even as poorly as we did.

287 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 11:03:37am

re: #286 Bass Reeves

I saw A.S. opening night, and thought it was a pretty well done, depressing movie. I did not view it as a propaganda film at all.

But that does not prevent it from being seen as propaganda, just like people think that “Born in the USA” is a patriotic song.

288 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 25, 2015 11:04:23am

re: #283 ObserverArt

Oh wait…it is probably not allowed. Dalton Trumbo was on the artists black list as a commie. We didn’t want people to read about real war…only glorious war as loved by the chickenhawk set.

My feelings about war were summed up by one of the guys in my unit, “War is hell and combat’s a motherfucker.”

Anyone who believes that war is glorious or ennobling hasn’t participated in one.

289 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 11:07:35am
290 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 11:08:35am

Senior conservative party official admits defeat in Greek election, saying, ‘we lost’ - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

291 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 11:08:40am

re: #250 b_sharp

Still suffering from last night I’m afraid.

Hoping the conversation here will take my mind off things.

Sorry to hear that. I missed you post last night about Jack.

292 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 11:09:31am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

Senior conservative party official admits defeat in Greek election, saying, ‘we lost’ - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

Euro’s gonna dip again.

293 Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2015 11:13:29am

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Euro’s gonna dip again.

I’ve seen speculation on the possibility of a bank-run in Greece tomorrow. Granted, it’s from the usual doom-‘n-gloom crowd, but I guess we’ll have to see. I can certainly see a sell-off on the Euro tomorrow, though.

294 Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2015 11:14:34am

re: #220 Rightwingconspirator

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295 Bass Reeves  Jan 25, 2015 11:16:35am

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Truth, but I am not sure that’s a reason to pan the movie. I saw something today about Eastwood himself stating it was an ‘anti-war’ movie. The problem to me is more is that ‘Christian Patriot Chickenhawk’ demographic. I sat in a theater full of combat vets, and none of us came out cheering.

296 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 11:18:45am

re: #289 Charles Johnson

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RawStory embeds one of your tweets in their Sarah speech story.

rawstory.com

297 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 11:18:46am

re: #295 Bass Reeves

Truth, but I am not sure that’s a reason to pan the movie. I saw something today about Eastwood himself stating it was an ‘anti-war’ movie. The problem to me is more is that ‘Christian Patriot Chickenhawk’ demographic. I sat in a theater full of combat vets, and none of us came out cheering.

There is the truth and then there is the hype around the truth and the there is the Hollywood movie about the hype and then there is the hype about the Hollywood movie.

I have steered clear of the discussion and am in no hurry to watch this film.

298 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 11:21:44am

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But that does not prevent it from being seen as propaganda, just like people think that “Born in the USA” is a patriotic song.

That is right. The Glorification comes from the individual and how he/she sees something.

I sure as hell have never seen any glory in war. I think it is one of the human species greatest failings.

299 Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2015 11:22:01am

re: #297 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is the truth and then there is the hype around the truth and the there is Hollywood movie about hype and then there is the hype about the Hollywood movie.

I have steered clear of the discussion and am in no hurry to watch this film.

At the Cineplex last week, I was standing in the lobby and another retiree walked by;

“Thought I’d see you here to see Sniper.”

“Naw, we just got out of Selma.”

300 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 11:24:40am

re: #288 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My feelings about war were summed up by one of the guys in my unit, “War is hell and combat’s a motherfucker.”

Anyone who believes that war is glorious or ennobling hasn’t participated in one.

During the Vietnam era, I sweated out (and protested) the Vietnam War. My sons were young teens who marched w/me in demonstrations in NYC and DC and I was so afraid the war would drag on and on and the draft would, also.
I was a protective mother, always, who has never seen war as a “fine and noble” undertaking after WWII when we were fighting fascism.

301 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 11:29:21am

You guys must look at these photos. They’re gorgeous:

302 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 11:30:43am

re: #295 Bass Reeves

Truth, but I am not sure that’s a reason to pan the movie. I saw something today about Eastwood himself stating it was an ‘anti-war’ movie. The problem to me is more is that ‘Christian Patriot Chickenhawk’ demographic. I sat in a theater full of combat vets, and none of us came out cheering.

The same guy who said, “Are you feeling lucky, punk?” He hasn’t matured as much as people think he has.

303 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 11:31:28am

re: #301 CuriousLurker

You guys must look at these photos. They’re gorgeous:

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Scary that it’s warm enough up there for an iceberg to accomplish that though.

304 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 11:34:11am

Video: President Obama announces new Interior Department plan for Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, calls on Congress to designate area as a wilderness - The White House via YouTube
see original on youtube.com

305 BigPapa  Jan 25, 2015 11:34:59am

re: #302 Justanotherhuman

The same guy who said, “Are you feeling lucky, punk?” He hasn’t matured as much as people think he has.

Hey, back off of my bro Dirty Harry. It’s not like he’s talking to empty chairs and shit.

306 Romantic Heretic  Jan 25, 2015 11:35:29am

re: #219 jaunte

Rep. King? What would a loony toon psychopath like you know about kindness?

307 Bass Reeves  Jan 25, 2015 11:40:41am

I guess it is then unfortunate that the audience for this movie has such a lack of nuance. This was a movie that showed the emotional and physical damage done to vets by a war that should not have been initiated, and it somehow gets viewed as a rah rah team film.

Don’t take this as me advocating for people to go to the movies to see it or anything, my only point was the movie wasn’t glorifying war at all, and Kyle doesn’t actually come out looking like a hero unless you blindly believe all members of the military are heroes already.

308 Romantic Heretic  Jan 25, 2015 11:41:22am

re: #251 bratwurst

I haven’t seen American Sniper and I never will. As this is the case, I am certainly not going to call it propaganda or anything else. My issue is that if I want to spend 2 hours with a pathological liar, I am pretty sure I know how to make that happen without paying $12 for the privilege.

Just hangout on UpChuck’s Twitter feed.

309 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 11:41:37am

re: #301 CuriousLurker

You guys must look at these photos. They’re gorgeous:

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re: #303 Justanotherhuman

Scary that it’s warm enough up there for an iceberg to accomplish that though.

It is beautiful. Like a big old jewel (emerald) floating along.

But it is also depressing as the reason the colors are in the bottom like that may be warmer sea waters leaking into the ice to give it that emerald coloring. The warm water has melted it down enough, the bottom might have become lighter than the top and it rolled it over.

I hope I am wrong. And I hope the comment doesn’t take away from CL’s enjoyment of the image. Beauty does exist everywhere.

And I hope we can come across some conversation to help out b_sharp!

310 BigPapa  Jan 25, 2015 11:46:53am

I did it: going to 3 monitors. I’m already wondering if they are too small.

311 Lidane  Jan 25, 2015 11:48:09am

re: #304 Justanotherhuman

Video: President Obama announces new Interior Department plan for Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, calls on Congress to designate area as a wilderness - The White House via YouTube
see original on youtube.com

I eagerly await the next Palin word salad response.

312 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 11:49:09am

re: #310 BigPapa

I did it: going to 3 monitors. I’m already wondering if they are too small.

So you’re a 3 monitor lizard?

313 Justanotherhuman  Jan 25, 2015 11:49:34am

Later, Lizards!

314 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 11:50:54am

re: #312 A Cranky One

So you’re a 3 monitor lizard?

BigPapa is big man on LGF with 3 monitoring power.

(I hope he is not a spy - NSA) /

315 Romantic Heretic  Jan 25, 2015 11:50:55am

Off to blow up tanks.

Later, lizards.

316 BigPapa  Jan 25, 2015 11:51:37am

This should get the wingnuts going:

317 BigPapa  Jan 25, 2015 11:52:31am

re: #314 ObserverArt

BigPapa is big man on LGF with 3 monitoring power.

(I hope he is not a spy - NSA) /

What, are you daring me to go 4? Are you? ARE YOU?

318 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 11:52:48am

re: #309 ObserverArt

It is beautiful. Like a big old jewel (emerald) floating along.

But it is also depressing as the reason the colors are in the bottom like that may be warmer sea waters leaking into the ice to give it that emerald coloring. The warm water has melted it down enough, the bottom might have become lighter than the top and it rolled it over.

I hope I am wrong. And I hope the comment doesn’t take away from CL’s enjoyment of the image. Beauty does exist everywhere.

And I hope we can come across some conversation to help out b_sharp!

The article does indeed mention water flowing through it, and it explains how icebergs turn over. Still, it’s so beautiful…

Whereas most iceberg tips are covered in snow or have been weathered by the elements, this one was free of debris, exposing glassy, aqua-green ice with water flowing through it—“almost like an ant colony,” he says. […]

smithsonianmag.com

319 JDRhoades  Jan 25, 2015 11:53:48am

re: #75 teleskiguy

The best part? It’s all because her teleprompter failed, according to a story I just read.

320 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 11:54:19am

re: #317 BigPapa

One monitor lizard
321 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 25, 2015 11:56:48am

re: #312 A Cranky One

So you’re a 3 monitor lizard?

He needs to find a planet with three suns to bask under.

322 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 11:57:56am

...

323 b_sharp  Jan 25, 2015 11:58:39am

re: #301 CuriousLurker

You guys must look at these photos. They’re gorgeous:

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Oooo.

324 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 11:59:59am
325 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 12:00:29pm

re: #322 Charles Johnson

Succinct and pithy reply!

326 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 12:03:05pm

re: #325 A Cranky One

That’s what happens when you try to post a deleted tweet.

327 b_sharp  Jan 25, 2015 12:04:24pm

This isn’t the first time, nor likely the last, but thank you my scaly lizard friends.

It makes my job as support for V much easier when I have my own support group here.

328 PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2015 12:05:43pm

re: #327 b_sharp

{{{B-sharp & V}}}

329 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 12:06:03pm

re: #318 CuriousLurker

The article does indeed mention water flowing through it, and it explains how icebergs turn over. Still, it’s so beautiful…

I see those libruls at The Smithsonian allowed one of those nasty commie climate-change-believing scientists to weigh in on the subject.

They just can’t help themselves with all that crap. Gonna have to turn them on to the knowledge of Mr. Inhofe of the senate. He’s not a real scientist…so he knows!

/

330 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 12:06:51pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

That’s what happens when you try to post a deleted tweet.

But it was still more informative and truthful than anything UpChuck (King MyAss) has posted!

331 blueraven  Jan 25, 2015 12:07:08pm

Chuck, trying to move on and get back on to the RWNJ’s good side.
A good old racist post should do it.

332 Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2015 12:07:44pm
333 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 25, 2015 12:09:18pm

Well, after the hard reset, and some anxious minutes waiting for my Nexus 7 to decide it it ever wanted to finish booting, I’m glad to say that it now works much better and isn’t displaying the locking up and freezing it did when they first pushed Android 5 onto it.

Now just trying to get my core apps / accts / everything else setup.

RBS

334 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 12:09:34pm

re: #329 ObserverArt

My favorite comment on the article (Smithsonian being one of the few places where I still read them):

Wouldn’t it be cool if there was a Woolly Mammoth in there or something?

Heh.

335 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 12:10:25pm

re: #327 b_sharp

This isn’t the first time, nor likely the last, but thank you my scaly lizard friends.

It makes my job as support for V much easier when I have my own support group here.

Hey, what are friends for? Speaking of V, how is she doing apart from grieving? Healing process going well? No more issues with infections?

336 b_sharp  Jan 25, 2015 12:14:43pm

re: #335 A Cranky One

Hey, what are friends for? Speaking of V, how is she doing apart from grieving? Healing process going well? No more issues with infections?

Pretty well. The hole in her gut has gone from 4cm to 1cm and is leaking very little. Today the nurse suggested that she could start having the dressing changed every second day instead of every day sometime this week.

Her strength is returning as the pain has subsided. We actually went together to get groceries today. Physically she’s doing really well considering how she felt just a week ago.

337 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 12:14:59pm

re: #334 CuriousLurker

Forget the woolly mammoth. THIS would be cool:

Frankenstein’s monster chillin’
338 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 12:16:04pm

re: #336 b_sharp

Excellent news! Thanks for the update. Positive thoughts toward you both!

339 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 12:29:28pm

Heh. Just looked at the weather radar. Green (rain) below I-70…blue (snow) above. I live about 1/2 mile off I-70 and there is no snow currently even though I am just inside the area indicated by the radar to be snowing.

Gotta give that radar credit, it is damn accurate. And I-70 is some kind of a weather barrier.

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 12:31:47pm

re: #339 ObserverArt

I’ve got rain right now, but it’s supposed to switch over to the dreaded wintry mix sometime overnight.
I am so not looking forward to that.

341 b_sharp  Jan 25, 2015 12:33:18pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve got rain right now, but it’s supposed to switch over to the dreaded wintry mix sometime overnight.
I am so not looking forward to that.

That’s what we had up here yesterday.

Weird shit be happening.

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 12:38:25pm

In Manhattan:

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 12:39:01pm
344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 12:41:45pm
345 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 12:42:04pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I so hope this misses us, but we usually get whatever NYC gets. Actually, since I don’t have to go out in it or shovel snow I won’t really mind as long as the electricity stays on.

346 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 12:43:25pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ugh, we’re in the 12”-24” zone.

347 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 12:44:15pm

re: #346 CuriousLurker

Ugh, we’re in the 12”-24” zone.

What global warming? ///////////////////

348 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 12:46:33pm

I wish all the northeast Lizards a safe couple of days. Storm looks to be bad enough, but it also looks like a small change here or there on the map and in the conditions and New York City gets clobbered.

349 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 12:48:54pm

re: #348 ObserverArt

I wish all the northeast Lizards a safe couple of days. Storm looks to be bad enough, but it also looks like a small change here or there on the map and in the conditions and New York City gets clobbered.

EDIT…looks like the whole area from Philly to Boston could get hammered bad. Maybe it’ll all slip out to sea a bit.

350 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 25, 2015 12:52:53pm

re: #345 CuriousLurker

I so hope this misses us, but we usually get whatever NYC gets. Actually, since I don’t have to go out in it or shovel snow I won’t really mind as long as the electricity stays on.

Philly is supposed to get clocked too. So I expect all of the Garden State will get a coating as well.

351 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 25, 2015 12:53:56pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mayor de Blasio to hold 3:30 briefing on impending winter storm

“Liberal mayor allows storm to hit NYC!!!!!!!!”

352 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 25, 2015 12:54:33pm

re: #348 ObserverArt

I wish all the northeast Lizards a safe couple of days. Storm looks to be bad enough, but it also looks like a small change here or there on the map and in the conditions and New York City gets clobbered.

I wanted to do a grocery run today to stock up on important supplies — cat food and cat litter*. However, got dragged into work both days this weekend and it looks like a minor supply run is all I will be able to do.

* - Yes, I am a dutiful Feline Overlord staffer. But I also know where they will go and who they will chew on if the supplies run out.

353 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 12:54:49pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

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Interestingly there is one instance where increased snowfall is actually evidence of global warming. In the interior of Antarctica there are regions where it was previously too cold during much of the year for the air to hold any moisture at all, so the areas received very little precip. With warming those areas are now seeing an increase in snowfall / ice thickness.

354 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 12:56:44pm

re: #349 ObserverArt

EDIT…looks like the whole area from Philly to Boston could get hammered bad. Maybe it’ll all slip out to sea a bit.

MrBWS came home a day early and spent most of his time here coughing, sleeping, and generally miserable with the flu.
He left about an hour ago, feeling somewhat improved but still drained. Normally, he doesn’t mind being called out for storm but, still feeling like a stepped on cracker, he’s not looking forward to this big one in the forecast.

355 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 12:58:04pm
356 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2015 12:59:53pm
357 b_sharp  Jan 25, 2015 1:02:23pm

When guns a viewed as the solution rather than the problem, you know you’re in trouble.

358 jaunte  Jan 25, 2015 1:04:47pm

Bobby Jindal at National Prayer Rally: Billy Graham Inspired Me to Convert to Christianity; America Needs a Spiritual Revival, Not Just a Good Political Leader

Because nothing says spirituality like flogging your religion for political gain.

He also said the prayer rally was “not a political event. It’s a religious event.”

And lying about it.

359 urbanmeemaw  Jan 25, 2015 1:05:18pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rain in Cincy, too. We may get 1/2 inch here; weather bots are predicting most snow will be north of us.

360 Kragar  Jan 25, 2015 1:05:47pm

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

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361 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 1:06:17pm

OT, but the video in the article below is fascinating (links to Pharyngula):

Amazing archery

362 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 1:07:13pm

re: #359 urbanmeemaw

Rain in Cincy, too. We may get 1/2 inch here; weather bots are predicting most snow will be north of us.

heh…NWS forecast was less than an inch of snow for us here on Friday/Saturday. We ended up with 3-5 inches. I’m not sure what to make of this current forecast. :D

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 1:08:17pm

UpChuck retweeted this pot/kettle moment:

364 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 1:11:03pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did UpChuck follow-up with a request for donations?

365 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jan 25, 2015 1:11:10pm

re: #280 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Fun in the Eurozone:
Greek election exit polls suggest a strong lead for the leftist Syriza party over the governing conservatives.

Brother, can you spare a Drachma?

If Germany and the IMF/Euro Bank hadn’t fucked the Greeks over with austerity, they probably wouldn’t have this result. People can only take so much before shit gets real.

366 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 1:11:58pm
367 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 1:12:28pm

re: #364 A Cranky One

Did UpChuck follow-up with a request for donations?

LOL, that was my first thought! But, no, he didn’t.

368 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2015 1:13:16pm

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…NWS forecast was less than an inch of snow for us here on Friday/Saturday. We ended up with 3-5 inches. I’m not sure what to make of this current forecast. :D

Clear weather predicted for Metro Detroit. I just got the car washed.

369 Kragar  Jan 25, 2015 1:15:33pm

re: #364 A Cranky One

Did UpChuck follow-up with a request for donations?

He’s got it pinned to his page so it always there.

370 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 25, 2015 1:17:16pm

re: #365 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

If Germany and the IMF/Euro Bank hadn’t fucked the Greeks over with austerity, they probably wouldn’t have this result. People can only take so much before shit gets real.

The Greeks may have held on if the austerity measures yielded positive results. They haven’t.

371 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jan 25, 2015 1:21:03pm

re: #370 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Greeks may have held on if the austerity measures yielded positive results. They haven’t.

Austerity measures rarely do, especially if there’s only further austerity in the cards if the first rounds don’t work.

Thank FSM Obama was able to squeeze through even the anemic stimulus that got through the asshole GOP lege after the meltdown.

372 Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2015 1:21:27pm

Tempers flair when there’s only 2 bags of salt left on the pallet right before the storm hits.

373 Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2015 1:22:02pm

re: #370 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Greeks may have held on if the austerity measures yielded positive results. They haven’t.

Next up, a contest of wills between the new (presumably) SYRIZA government in one corner, and in the other corner, Angela Merkel and the ECB.

That’s gonna be interesting.

374 klystron  Jan 25, 2015 1:22:30pm

re: #346 CuriousLurker

My parents left for skiing in CO on Friday, so my sister is all alone to deal with the storm - and dad didn’t remember to get the snowblower prepped for her.

I imagine she has some not-very-nice words right now.

375 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 1:23:01pm

re: #372 Amory Blaine

Tempers flair when there’s only 2 bags of salt left on the pallet right before the storm hits.

Hope no one got assaulted. /ducks

376 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 1:23:20pm

Excuse me while I *gag*

377 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 1:24:07pm

re: #374 klystron

My parents left for skiing in CO on Friday, so my sister is all alone to deal with the storm - and dad didn’t remember to get the snowblower prepped for her.

I imagine she has some not-very-nice words right now.

Yikes!

378 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jan 25, 2015 1:24:46pm

Bobby Jindal is stupid, bigoted asshole, part 53514341:

I am proud that in Louisiana, we define marriage as between a man and a woman. If the Supreme Court were to throw out our law, our constitutional amendment — I hope they wouldn’t do that — if they were to do that, I certainly will support Ted Cruz and others that are talking about making an amendment in the congress and D.C., a constitutional amendment to allow states to continue to define marriage.

Jindal ‘Not For Discrimination’ But Supports Ban On Same-Sex Marriage

379 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2015 1:26:13pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Excuse me while I *gag*

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needs a different flag shopped in.

380 Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2015 1:27:16pm

re: #378 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Bobby Jindal is stupid, bigoted asshole, part 53514341:

Jindal ‘Not For Discrimination’ But Supports Ban On Same-Sex Marriage

We can’t have an amendment that prevents the Koch Brothers from effectively buying and selling politicians, but we can have one that makes bigotry the law of the land.

I wonder if these morons ever stop for a second and consider how they’re going to look to future generations, perhaps contemplating the possibility that they’ll be the subject of the same sort of derision that is shown to those who pushed Prohibition.

381 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 1:27:39pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Eddie and his patriotic towel?

382 ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2015 1:27:43pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Excuse me while I *gag*

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Talk about a bad depiction and use of the flag.

I usually am very liberal as to flag issues. Just, Snowden…uggh!

383 goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2015 1:27:49pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Excuse me while I *gag*

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384 Kragar  Jan 25, 2015 1:28:52pm

re: #378 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Bobby Jindal is stupid, bigoted asshole, part 53514341:

Jindal ‘Not For Discrimination’ But Supports Ban On Same-Sex Marriage

“We support personal freedom and decry big government regulation which is why we’re advocating a Constitutional amendment imposing our religious beliefs on to the entire nation!”

385 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 25, 2015 1:29:29pm

Edward and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamflag.

386 klystron  Jan 25, 2015 1:29:38pm

re: #377 CuriousLurker

Yikes!

She is also in the 12-24” zone.

Added bonus: our driveway is on a cul-de-sac and they have a history of skipping plowing our street for several days during major storms, because it is a tiny housing development that does not connect any major roads. (My dad once received a $100 gift card from neighbors because he cleared a single car-width path to the main street two days after the storm, enabling their mother-in-law to leave on time. The plows showed up two days after that.)

387 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 25, 2015 1:30:54pm

re: #377 CuriousLurker

Yikes!

Why did they go to Colorado when they could be skiing to the grocery store at home?

388 Eventual Carrion  Jan 25, 2015 1:31:05pm

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

needs a different flag shopped in.

Yeah, I was wondering why that traitor was holding an American flag. Fucking treasonist defector.

389 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 1:31:23pm

re: #386 klystron

She is also in the 12-24” zone.

Added bonus: our driveway is on a cul-de-sac and they have a history of skipping plowing our street for several days during major storms, because it is a tiny housing development that does not connect any major roads. (My dad once received a $100 gift card from neighbors because he cleared a single car-width path to the main street two days after the storm, enabling their mother-in-law to leave on time. The plows showed up two days after that.)

E gad. Sending good thoughts her way.

390 klystron  Jan 25, 2015 1:31:46pm

re: #387 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why did they go to Colorado when they could be skiing to the grocery store at home?

Downhill skiing requires hills. Even that amount of snow will not produce them in NJ.

391 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 1:32:17pm

re: #387 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why did they go to Colorado when they could be skiing to the grocery store at home?

I think you meant to reply to klys.

392 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 1:34:38pm

Something our cold northeast lizards might want to make…
Taking me second shot at a beef soup. Mirepoix saute then 3 cans beef stock base. Then wine/butter sauteed 1 package mushrooms. Scoop most of the mirepoix out and replace with mushrooms. Add 2 cups water. Cook the 2 packages marinated stew beef cubes in the mushroom pan then put those in. Then saute some cubed potato in the beef pan. then those go in. All in to simmer for a few hours. Started at 10:00 am just now put it to simmer. Stock pot is full now.

393 A Cranky One  Jan 25, 2015 1:35:14pm

re: #390 klystron

Downhill skiing requires hills. Even that amount of snow will not produce them in NJ.

Who needs hills?
394 klystron  Jan 25, 2015 1:36:22pm

re: #393 A Cranky One

LOL! Just sent that to a friend from Kansas.

395 CuriousLurker  Jan 25, 2015 1:39:03pm

re: #392 Rightwingconspirator

Something our cold northeast lizards might want to make…
Taking me second shot at a beef soup. Mirepoix saute then 3 cans beef stock base. Then wine/butter sauteed 1 package mushrooms. Scoop most of the mirepoix out and replace with mushrooms. Add 2 cups water. Cook the 2 packages marinated stew beef cubes in the mushroom pan then put those in. Then saute some cubed potato in the beef pan. then those go in. All in to simmer for a few hours. Started at 10:00 am just now put it to simmer. Stock pot is full now.

Hmm, I just took a big hunk of top round roast out of the freezer and was pondering what to do with it. I’m out of mushrooms and the wine is a no-no, but beef stew sounds good.

396 Romantic Heretic  Jan 25, 2015 1:41:47pm

re: #370 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Greeks may have held on if the austerity measures yielded positive results. They haven’t.

How could they? Austerity is the economic equivalent of bleeding.

Sure, it calms the patient down and reduces their fever, but that’s because the patient is weaker than they were. Do it often enough and the patient is bled to death.

The operation was a success but the patient died!

397 Romantic Heretic  Jan 25, 2015 1:43:31pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Excuse me while I *gag*

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Rather odd for a person to hug something after they’ve wiped their ass with it.

398 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 1:50:24pm

re: #395 CuriousLurker

I think you mike have something like one of these…
Red wine substitutes:
• Chicken, beef, or vegetable stock
• Grape, pomegranate, or cranberry juice
• For acidity or deglazing, add about a tablespoon of red wine vinegar or balsamic vinegar per cup of stock or fruit juice
• For sweetness, add sugar or honey

White wine substitutes:
• Verjus
• Chicken or vegetable stock
• White grape or apple juice
• For acidity or deglazing, add about a tablespoon of white wine vinegar or lemon juice per cup of stock or fruit juice
• For sweetness, add sugar or honey

399 RealityBasedSteve  Jan 25, 2015 2:05:32pm

re: #398 Rightwingconspirator

I think you mike have something like one of these…
Red wine substitutes:
• Chicken, beef, or vegetable stock
• Grape, pomegranate, or cranberry juice
• For acidity or deglazing, add about a tablespoon of red wine vinegar or balsamic vinegar per cup of stock or fruit juice
• For sweetness, add sugar or honey

White wine substitutes:
• Verjus
• Chicken or vegetable stock
• White grape or apple juice
• For acidity or deglazing, add about a tablespoon of white wine vinegar or lemon juice per cup of stock or fruit juice
• For sweetness, add sugar or honey

Paul Prudhomme, in his “fork in the road” cookbook turned me on to the idea of using apple or other juices as cooking staple. You add some in, let it really reduce on down. Adds a big kick of flavor.

Stew is what you make it. Brown off the meat well to get some nice caramelization and flavor, get a good bunch of aromatics all sizzling together, add a good base liquid (I love tossing some V8 in there), and toss in what ya got.

Add some love and it will be fantastic.

RBS

400 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2015 2:20:38pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Excuse me while I *gag*

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That’s his iPad wrapped up in the flag, because HURR HURR THERE SPYING ON MEEE!!!!1!!!

401 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2015 2:21:25pm

re: #381 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Eddie and his patriotic towel?

The pillowcase he used to wrap up his stolen laptop

402 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2015 2:25:50pm

re: #399 RealityBasedSteve

V8? Good idea.

403 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 25, 2015 3:23:20pm

re: #396 Romantic Heretic

How could they? Austerity is the economic equivalent of bleeding.

Sure, it calms the patient down and reduces their fever, but that’s because the patient is weaker than they were. Do it often enough and the patient is bled to death.

The operation was a success but the patient died!

The joke is that austerity only works when the economy is growing and there is enough work on the private market to take up the slack. Austerity when the economy is in recession is self-defeating.

404 Pip's Squeak  Jan 25, 2015 10:02:44pm

re: #293 Dr Lizardo

I’ve seen speculation on the possibility of a bank-run in Greece tomorrow. Granted, it’s from the usual doom-‘n-gloom crowd, but I guess we’ll have to see. I can certainly see a sell-off on the Euro tomorrow, though.

Maybe. But it’s already plunged since the revaluation of the Swiss franc. I would guess that 1.12 is it for the time being.


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