Bill Would Allow Texas Teachers to Use Deadly Force Against Students

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AUSTIN - Teachers would be able to use deadly force against students, and would be safe from prosecution, under legislation filed last week in the state House.

The Teacher’s Protection Act by Rep. Dan Flynn, R-Van, would allow educators to use force or deadly force if they feel they need to protect themselves against a student or anyone else on school grounds. It also allows teachers to use deadly force to protect school property, and to avoid prosecution “for injury or death that results from the educator’s use of deadly force.”

The bill was filed just days before a video of a New Jersey physics teacher being body slammed by his 9th grade student went viral. In the video, it’s clear the teacher is avoiding fighting back or touching the student.

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1 CuriousLurker  Jan 29, 2015 5:04:32pm

W? T? F?

2 Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2015 5:12:56pm

Your home state is turning into one of the more frightening places in the US.

It also allows teachers to use deadly force to protect school property, and to avoid prosecution “for injury or death that results from the educator’s use of deadly force.”

So Texas schools are about to become free kill zones, just like the NRA wants.

3 CuriousLurker  Jan 29, 2015 5:19:37pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

It’s insane, even for Texas.

4 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 5:22:03pm

re: #3 CuriousLurker

Not so sure it’s as bad as implied. Not sure as I’m just getting started looking into this-But it may be intended as legal cover for a teacher or staffer who fights a mass killer with lethal force, perhaps a gun. It does not mean a teacher can execute a student for breaking a pencil.

5 Justanotherhuman  Jan 29, 2015 5:22:36pm

They really do want to kill children.

It must turn them on to even think about it.

6 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 5:23:51pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

So Texas schools are about to become free kill zones, just like the NRA wants.

Hyperbole check…. yup it’s hyperbole.

7 CuriousLurker  Jan 29, 2015 5:26:37pm

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t understand the need for such a law if, as the article states:

“We understand he’s trying to carve out some liability protections. But, we can’t see that the liability protection in that particular bill is any different than the protection that exists in law for a regular citizen.”

8 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 5:27:46pm

re: #7 CuriousLurker

There is no need. He is grandstanding.

Exter added the ATPE’s legal team doesn’t believe Flynn’s legislation adds any additional protections for teachers that don’t already exist for every Texan claiming self-defense: “We understand he’s trying to carve out some liability protections. But, we can’t see that the liability protection in that particular bill is any different than the protection that exists in law for a regular citizen.”

“Educators in Texas actually do have some legal protections that do allow them to use physical force to protect themselves and protect others, as long as the use of physical force is reasonable,” said ATPE managing attorney Paul Tapp.

9 Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2015 5:34:09pm

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

I guess you missed this line: allows teachers to use deadly force to protect school property.

With no prosecution. Just like cops.

10 Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2015 5:36:30pm

re: #8 Rightwingconspirator

Nice try at obfuscation. Physical force and Deadly force aren’t the same thing, are they?

11 Lidane  Jan 29, 2015 5:48:00pm

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

Not so sure it’s as bad as implied.

In this state? Are you serious?

Just imagine when kids from one high school prank another high school during football season. Under the whole “protection of property” thing, a coach or staffer could shoot AND KILL those kids and not face consequences for it. You know, since they were protecting school property.

12 Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2015 5:58:14pm

re: #11 Lidane

Now, now, remember. In America, guns are always the right solution to every problem.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2015 6:00:29pm

I guess “the dog ate my homework” comes with real consequences now…

14 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 6:01:56pm

re: #10 Skip Intro

Nice try at obfuscation. Physical force and Deadly force aren’t the same thing, are they?

I have no idea wtf you mean by “obfuscating” with a clip from the article you linked here. Whatever dude, “kill zone”? LOL @ overstatement.

re: #11 Lidane

Deadly force over some prank? Prank like a whoopie cushion or prank like some tragic misunderstanding with a fake gun or???

re: #12 Skip Intro

Now, now, remember. In America, guns are always the right solution to every problem.

Old strawman smells old.

15 Lidane  Jan 29, 2015 6:29:35pm

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

Deadly force over some prank? Prank like a whoopie cushion or prank like some tragic misunderstanding with a fake gun or?

In this state, when it comes to high school football? The LAST thing I would do is give staff and coaches the ability to shoot to kill, especially over some of the pranks that happen between rival schools.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2015 6:35:11pm

Just wait until the first Muslim student gets shot…

17 Kafitrar  Jan 29, 2015 6:39:16pm

re: #9 Skip Intro

I guess you missed this line: allows teachers to use deadly force to protect school property.

With no prosecution. Just like cops.

Not necessarily. According to the 2013 New York Police Department (NYPD) Annual Firearms Discharge Report, “[p]olice shall not discharge their weapons in defense of property.” (page 4)

18 Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2015 7:06:50pm

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

It’s your pals in the NRA who first proposed arming teachers, not me. It’s your pals in the NRA who claim more “good guys with guns” are the solution to our gun problems, not me.

The hyperbole is all on your side, not mine. I just listen to what you NRA guys say and take it to it’s logical conclusion.

19 HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2015 7:10:39pm

Why?

20 Sherlock Hound  Jan 29, 2015 7:16:43pm

Does this cover brandishing? Pointing a gun with no intention to fire? Cocking a gun for show? Warning shots? Oh, this is going to be fun!

21 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 29, 2015 7:24:08pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

allows teachers to use deadly force to protect school property

It seems like a lot of conservatives value property more than human life. It’s disgusting.

22 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 7:35:48pm

re: #18 Skip Intro

It’s your pals in the NRA who first proposed arming teachers, not me. It’s your pals in the NRA who claim more “good guys with guns” are the solution to our gun problems, not me.

The hyperbole is all on your side, not mine. I just listen to what you NRA guys say and take it to it’s logical conclusion.

My pals the NRA? I think you know better than that from my posts pointing out how the NRA only has ten percent or less of gun owners as members. And my very deliberate and repeated condemnations of the NRA. So either you read none of that or you are simply lying about me. Hmm ignorance or prevarication? Which was it?

23 Bass Reeves  Jan 29, 2015 8:23:15pm

Sec. 38A.003. EDUCATOR’S DEFENSE OF SCHOOL PROPERTY. (a)
An educator is justified in using force or deadly force on school
property, on a school bus, or at a school-sponsored event in defense
of property of the school that employs the educator if, under the
circumstances as the educator reasonably believes them to be, the
educator would be justified under Section 9.43, Penal Code, in
using force or deadly force, as applicable, in defense of property
of the school that employs the educator.

That’s a section from the bill. Plain english says teacher can kill student to defend property. What hyperbole are you arguing against again?

24 Jayleia  Jan 29, 2015 8:42:46pm

I’m only surprised that its not Florida.

No // for this one, unfortunately.

25 Lidane  Jan 29, 2015 8:43:17pm

re: #23 Bass Reeves

Sec. 38A.003. EDUCATOR’S DEFENSE OF SCHOOL PROPERTY. (a)
An educator is justified in using force or deadly force on school
property, on a school bus, or at a school-sponsored event in defense
of property of the school that employs the educator if, under the
circumstances as the educator reasonably believes them to be, the
educator would be justified under Section 9.43, Penal Code, in
using force or deadly force, as applicable, in defense of property
of the school that employs the educator.

That’s a section from the bill. Plain english says teacher can kill student to defend property. What hyperbole are you arguing against again?

Yep.

This shit is bananas, even compared to the usual frontier gibberish from the Lege. What the actual fuck?

26 Kragar  Jan 29, 2015 8:45:34pm
27 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 8:47:02pm

re: #24 Jayleia

I’m only surprised that its not Florida.

No // for this one, unfortunately.

Don’t worry, it will be Florida tomorrow or the next day. Maybe not for a similar law, but for something.

28 Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2015 8:47:28pm

re: #26 Kragar

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Somebody associated with that movie must’ve been a Dr. Who fan.

29 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 8:48:22pm

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

I have no idea wtf you mean by “obfuscating” with a clip from the article you linked here. Whatever dude, “kill zone”? LOL @ overstatement.

Deadly force over some prank? Prank like a whoopie cushion or prank like some tragic misunderstanding with a fake gun or???

Old strawman smells old.

Those aren’t straw men. They are the NRA’s (and the GOP’s) talking points.

30 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2015 8:48:42pm

re: #26 Kragar

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Looks like a bizarre Terminator knock off.

31 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2015 8:49:50pm

BREAKING! I have obtained a copy of the DMCA takedown notice Chuck sent to LGF…

32 Gus  Jan 29, 2015 8:51:01pm

“Bill Would Allow Texas Teachers to Use Deadly Force Against Students.”

OK, that ‘s it.

[Drops mic.]

33 Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2015 8:51:57pm

re: #29 palomino

Those aren’t straw men. They are the NRA’s (and the GOP’s) talking points.

Nobody thinks guns are the solution to all problems. Reducing even the NRA’s position to that is in fact building a strawman.

34 Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2015 8:53:00pm

re: #32 Gus

“Bill Would Allow Texas Teachers to Use Deadly Force Against Students.”

OK, that ‘s it.

[Drops mic.]

Please don’t leave, Gus. I was hoping you’d design the official ‘Ballgazi’ Twibbon. :)

35 Gus  Jan 29, 2015 8:54:04pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Please don’t leave, Gus. I was hoping you’d design the official ‘Ballgazi’ Twibbon. :)

People have lost their damn minds.

36 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 8:54:49pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Nobody thinks guns are the solution to all problems. Reducing even the NRA’s position to that is in fact building a strawman.

If “nobody think guns are the solution”, then why do we hear things like this, “The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is John Wayne a good guy with a gun.”

You know who said that, of course. And yet you’re now contending it’s not the NRA or GOP position? No offense, but that’s kinda full of shit.

37 Lidane  Jan 29, 2015 8:56:36pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Nobody thinks guns are the solution to all problems. Reducing even the NRA’s position to that is in fact building a strawman.

Oh come on. You can’t expect anyone to buy that. The NRA absolutely believe guns are the answer to everything.

38 OhNoZombies!  Jan 29, 2015 8:57:41pm

I just want to give a shout out to my grandparents for getting the fuck out of Texas and Louisiana way back in the day…

Seriously, I see nothing good coming out of this.

39 Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2015 8:58:11pm

re: #36 palomino

If “nobody think guns are the solution”, then why do we hear things like this, “The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is John Wayne a good guy with a gun.”

You know who said that, of course. And yet you’re now contending it’s not the NRA or GOP position? No offense, but that’s kinda full of shit.

“The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” ≠ “Guns are always the right solution to every problem.”

40 blueraven  Jan 29, 2015 8:59:19pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

“The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” ≠ “Guns are always the right solution to every problem.”

How about this?

Let’s make it real hard for bad guys to get guns.

41 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 8:59:22pm

re: #37 Lidane

Oh come on. You can’t expect anyone to buy that. The NRA absolutely believe guns are the answer to everything.

As far as crime goes, the NRA pretty much does believe that. They don’t talk about much else, and their primary focus is making guns as easily available as possible, and allowing them to be taken just about everywhere.

Except inside state legislatures, because that’s (effectively) where a lot of legislators/NRA employees work.

42 makeitstop  Jan 29, 2015 9:00:46pm

This is the most insane piece of legislation I’ve seen all year, even by Texas standards.

Then again, it is only January…

43 OhNoZombies!  Jan 29, 2015 9:00:56pm

Who determines who is the good guy and who is the bad guy in this messed up system of ours?

44 Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2015 9:01:56pm

re: #40 blueraven

How about this?

Let’s make it real hard for bad guys to get guns.

France has been trying that. It hasn’t really worked.

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2015 9:01:57pm

Do you think if some wacko shot up a legislature and took out a few politicians the guns laws might change?

I’m not hoping for violence, I’m just posing the question.

46 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:02:25pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

“The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” ≠ “Guns are always the right solution to every problem.”

You’re right, the NRA hasn’t (yet) said that guns are the solution to malaria or Japan’s lagging stock market.

What they have said is that guns are the only solution to our crime problems…despite the fact that we’re already by far the most heavily armed advanced nation, with the highest violent crime rate in the developed world.

47 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2015 9:03:01pm

re: #43 OhNoZombies!

Who determines who is the good guy and who is the bad guy in this messed up system of ours?

Usually skin color.

48 Gus  Jan 29, 2015 9:03:16pm

It’s not just the NRA.

49 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 9:03:59pm

The language of this new fucking law is too ambiguous. It’s wildly open to interpretation. This gives teachers all kinds of justification to light up a student with their weapon.

I’m surprised this is even being debated, even in Texas. We’re not going to evolve as a society and as a species if we have to have guns on us around everybody we interact with. A student/pupil weapon relationship like the one they want to set up in Texas is a devolving process.

50 OhNoZombies!  Jan 29, 2015 9:04:02pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Usually skin color.

See, that doesn’t work for me.
Not so much.

51 makeitstop  Jan 29, 2015 9:05:04pm

re: #43 OhNoZombies!

Who determines who is the good guy and who is the bad guy in this messed up system of ours?

And if a good guy and a bad guy are in a standoff on a public street and the cops show up, how do they figure out who is who?

Or do they just shoot both of them and sort it out later?

52 blueraven  Jan 29, 2015 9:05:34pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

France has been trying that. It hasn’t really worked.

Oh really, is their rate of death by guns anything like ours?

53 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2015 9:07:10pm

re: #50 OhNoZombies!

See, that doesn’t work for me.
Not so much.

It probably was a bit of an over-generalization.

54 OhNoZombies!  Jan 29, 2015 9:07:40pm

re: #51 makeitstop

And if a good guy and a bad guy are in a standoff on a public street and the cops show up, how do they figure out who is who?

Or do they just shoot both of them and sort it out later?

As of late, it seems that they take the word of whoever is left standing.

55 OhNoZombies!  Jan 29, 2015 9:09:24pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

It probably was a bit of an over-generalization.

Lol, I know.

56 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:09:48pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

France has been trying that. It hasn’t really worked.

You’re not really that stupid. One mass murder in France doesn’t mean their programs haven’t been effective. The French murder rate is one-fifth the US murder rate. And their firearm muder rate is an even smaller fraction, by far.

At least try, instead of giving us the lazy disingenuous “something bad happened in France” argument. Weak and embarrassing.

57 goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2015 9:10:24pm
58 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:14:28pm

re: #48 Gus

It’s not just the NRA.

True, but the NRA is the captain of Team Gun.

So they’re no. 1 on the blame list.

59 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 9:14:36pm

re: #41 palomino

The NRA is the PETA of gun advocacy. Can’t quit more than once, can’t make them go away. So now what exactly are the overwhelming majority of gun owners supposed to do about the NRA? At least Texans can vote against this particular idiot.

60 retired cynic  Jan 29, 2015 9:17:55pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

Wishful thinking, but the bill may not get through the TX lege,

61 blueraven  Jan 29, 2015 9:18:04pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

The NRA is the PETA of gun advocacy. Can’t quit more than once, can’t make them go away. So now what exactly are the overwhelming majority of gun owners supposed to do about the NRA? At least Texans can vote against this particular idiot.

The really bad things is that they control so many politicians…something PETA can not claim.

Not blaming you here, I know your stance.
Thing is, in many circles if you bash the NRA and their policies, you are a liberal gun snatcher. Therefore unAmerican.

62 Shiplord Kirel  Jan 29, 2015 9:19:46pm

Once again, reality scoops the Onion and South Park with a story too bizarre, absurd, and atrocious to be real but which nevertheless is as soberly true as the often similarly absurd entries in the police blotter. How long before some nutcase legislator introduces legislation to license hippie exterminators or institute a Prius hunting season?

63 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:21:01pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

The NRA is the PETA of gun advocacy. Can’t quit more than once, can’t make them go away. So now what exactly are the overwhelming majority of gun owners supposed to do about the NRA? At least Texans can vote against this particular idiot.

Texans won’t vote against this “particular idiot.” They like this kind of idiot, one who reflexively supports more guns as the solution to all problems of human interaction gone awry.

And just stop with the PETA balance fairy. It’s totally irrelevant. We’re talking about the safety of our school children. PETA is a meaningless diversion relative to this issue.

64 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:22:27pm

re: #61 blueraven

The really bad things is that they control so many politicians…something PETA can not claim.

Not blaming you here, I know your stance.
Thing is, in many circles if you bash the NRA and their policies, you are a liberal gun snatcher. Therefore unAmerican.

Bingo!

65 darthstar  Jan 29, 2015 9:22:45pm

You don’t have to use deadly force…you just need to wing the kids. The law goes too far.

66 darthstar  Jan 29, 2015 9:22:50pm
67 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:24:01pm

re: #65 darthstar

You don’t have to use deadly force…you just need to wing the kids. The law goes too far.

I don’t think most teachers, even in Texas, have aim THAT good.

68 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 9:25:32pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

Thank you Shiplord Kirel for your wit during these insane episodes of devolution. I’ve nothing against places - Texas is a beautiful and diverse state - then again the people…I don’t know. You couldn’t pay me to live in a place like Lubbock.

No offense. We’re all friends, right?

:-D

69 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 9:26:55pm

re: #61 blueraven

Thanks..Given Skips post above it was time to apply a little Windex & wipe away any confusion.

70 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:28:42pm

re: #52 blueraven

Oh really, is their rate of death by guns anything like ours?

This is my Exhibit Number 29 (or 37, I’ve lost track) as to how DF has essentially turned into a troll. As opposed to the old DF, he now merely drops short mindless talking points (like the one above) and then disappears with no real intention of serious discourse.

Pretty much the definition of troll.

71 Shiplord Kirel  Jan 29, 2015 9:29:14pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

Thank you Shiplord Kirel for your wit during these insane episodes of devolution. I’ve nothing against places - Texas is a beautiful and diverse state - then again the people…I don’t know. You couldn’t pay me to live in a place like Lubbock.

No offense. We’re all friends, right?

:-D

I escaped from Lubbock last summer, taking up residence in the wilderness of Palo Pinto County somewhere west of Fort Worth. The longer I’m away from Lubbock, the more I realize it was even worse than I thought when I was living there.

72 darthstar  Jan 29, 2015 9:30:51pm

re: #67 palomino

I don’t think most teachers, even in Texas, have aim THAT good.

See? That’s the problem with people only learning how to hit the core. My dad raised us learning to shoot pennies out of the air with a BB gun…so we wouldn’t waste rounds shooting behind dove, quail, and ducks. Even as I entered my twenties and thirties and didn’t shoot much anymore, I took those lessons to bars with shooter videio games, and I fucking dominated.

73 darthstar  Jan 29, 2015 9:33:02pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

“The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” ≠ “Guns are always the right solution to every problem.”

You don’t even own a gun.

74 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:33:26pm

re: #72 darthstar

See? That’s the problem with people only learning how to hit the core. My dad raised us learning to shoot pennies out of the air with a BB gun…so we wouldn’t waste rounds shooting behind dove, quail, and ducks. Even as I entered my twenties and thirties and didn’t shoot much anymore, I took those lessons to bars with shooter videio games, and I fucking dominated.

Those silly fancy pants teachers in Texas. They should spend less time with their fancy book learning and college degrees, and more time out on the range.

The only things that makes a bad teacher into a good teacher is firearm proficiency.

75 goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2015 9:34:00pm
76 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:34:37pm

re: #73 darthstar

You don’t even own a gun.

Well, I guess that means DF is not the solution to ANY problems.

Wayne LaPierre and Charlton Heston’s ghost (he’s dead, right?) told me so.

77 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 9:37:42pm

re: #63 palomino

Texans won’t vote against this “particular idiot.” They like this kind of idiot, one who reflexively supports more guns as the solution to all problems of human interaction gone awry.

And just stop with the PETA balance fairy. It’s totally irrelevant. We’re talking about the safety of our school children. PETA is a meaningless diversion relative to this issue.

If it were irrelevant as you say it simply would not share the following characteristics-Very low gun/pet owner membership & similarly extreme positions and policy.

78 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 9:41:07pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

I escaped from Lubbock last summer, taking up residence in the wilderness of Palo Pinto County somewhere west of Fort Worth.

Congrats on the greener pastures!

I just did a cursory read of Palo Pinto County. A county of just over 20,000 people is close enough to be included in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Micropolitan Statistical Area. Mineral Wells is over 50 miles from downtown Ft. Worth.

Sprawl. I’ve been watching it in Denver. It’s definitely bigger than it was when I was younger. But the sprawl in north Texas? Kind of blows my mind.

79 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 9:44:17pm

I changed two words in my #78 to make it completely factual.

Gotta love the pencil and eraser available to us!

80 Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2015 9:44:55pm

re: #29 palomino

Those aren’t straw men. They are the NRA’s (and the GOP’s) talking points.

That reply was in direct reply to a deliberately deceptive characterization by Skip. We may argue but lumping me in with the NRA earned that response. And then some. Won’t have it.

81 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:47:39pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

If it were irrelevant as you say it simply would not share the following characteristics-Very low gun/pet owner membership & similarly extreme positions and policy.

That’s a really weird stretch. PETA and the NRA are anagrams, but what other connection do they have in a debate about guns in the classroom…other than some balance that likely doesn’t exist outside your head.

I could have brought up a group like NAMBLA and introduced them into the debate. But why the hell would I? They’re completely irrelevant, as is PETA. There are thousands of extreme groups out there that have nothing to do with gun ownership. PETA is one, NAMBLA is another. You could play that inane game all day long. But why on earth would you?

82 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 9:52:00pm

re: #80 Rightwingconspirator

That reply was in direct reply to a deliberately deceptive characterization by Skip. We may argue but lumping me in with the NRA earned that response. And then some. Won’t have it.

I’m not lumping YOU in with anyone. The only thing I know about you is what you write here, so that’s what I respond to.

As for my comments about the NRA and GOP, I’ll stand by my contention that what you call “straw men” are the actual daily talking points employed by the NRA and GOP. Please, tell me how their talking points differ so much from what Skip wrote.

83 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 9:57:56pm
84 gwangung  Jan 29, 2015 10:04:09pm

re: #80 Rightwingconspirator

That reply was in direct reply to a deliberately deceptive characterization by Skip. We may argue but lumping me in with the NRA earned that response. And then some. Won’t have it.

I think it is unwise to argue about intentions, particularly among us.

However, the wording of the law IS unwise, as it does allow the use of deadly force in defense of property. It is bad enough the law allows overly subjective judgements as a defense; this wording widens to an extreme extent and requires little judgement and careful thought from the shooter.

You can argue defense of self/other people could demand quick judgements as to threat; property should NOT fall into that territory.

85 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 10:05:02pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

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Why should he even pretend not to be a racist? Being unapologetically racist will endear him to the people who love Coulter, Limbaugh, et al. He’s not in a position of mainstream “respectability”, so he doesn’t even need to uphold the pretense of non-racism a la Fox News.

86 Lidane  Jan 29, 2015 10:07:20pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

Checked that tweet and its replies. CCJ babbles about creating an IQ based startup.

Those happened as already. They’re in Silicon Valley. Chuckie couldn’t afford a janitor from any of them, let alone the more valuable employees.

87 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 10:09:06pm

re: #85 palomino

Why should he even pretend not to be a racist? Being unapologetically racist will endear him to the people who love Coulter, Limbaugh, et al. He’s not in a position of mainstream “respectability”, so he doesn’t even need to uphold the pretense of non-racism a la Fox News.

This goes together with my (extremely) cynical prediction that a freshman Republican member of Congress will call the President a “n*****” on the House Floor sometime in the next two years.

88 Gus  Jan 29, 2015 10:15:19pm
89 Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2015 10:16:28pm
90 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 10:17:02pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

91 Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2015 10:17:07pm
92 klystron  Jan 29, 2015 10:20:17pm

/looks for a non-gun, non-scary thread to paddle into

/is sad

93 teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2015 10:22:19pm

UpChuck probably sees a world where if we just got rid of the blah people it would be Paradise on Earth.

What a sick twisted fuck. And he’s been parroted on Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and others.

94 goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2015 10:27:46pm
95 goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2015 10:29:44pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

Sent you a message via the contact form.

96 OhNoZombies!  Jan 29, 2015 10:30:17pm

I hope Chuck realizes that Steve Sailer isn’t giving him any money.
Edit: everyone can see he’s trying to become more outrageous for attention.
Frankly, I think he may as well start pulling out the stats., and explain the twin studies.
That’s what they all do.

97 Kragar  Jan 29, 2015 10:35:59pm
98 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 29, 2015 11:06:55pm

re: #97 Kragar

The neo-Nazis are the last house on the block after you turn hard right.

99 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 29, 2015 11:08:26pm

Putting aside the insanity of arming everybody everywhere to the teeth and making Mutual Assured Destruction a domestic policy -

I must be behind the curve because I wasn’t aware of teachers being allowed to have guns in school here. And that part about defending property… Big no-no… Pretty much every legislative body everywhere agrees that deadly force to defend mere property is criminal.

I think what they intended was to provide legal protection to an armed teacher who stops a shooter anywhere on school grounds. I really don’t know why that needs its own law, though. This just reads like get-tough grandstanding for somebody’s campaign.

100 goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2015 11:09:16pm
101 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 29, 2015 11:16:10pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

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Good grief…

I cannot believe this kid is claiming to be smarter than everybody around him. He reads like that annoying kid in high school who’s discovered being conservative and just has it all figured out. “SMH” at anybody without a relative in the KKK, or not born in the 19th century, who believes that kind of garbage…

What a weird world we live in, where That Kid in High School can make himself into a nationally recognized media figure. (I say “recognized”, rather than known). I thought the idea of free information was that we could marginalize the idiots through open discussion? It’s too bad you can’t be punished by the system. Like, if too many people describe you as an idiot, your ISP throttles your bandwidth… :P

102 palomino  Jan 29, 2015 11:19:34pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

This goes together with my (extremely) cynical prediction that a freshman Republican member of Congress will call the President a “n*****” on the House Floor sometime in the next two years.

Agreed. And I don’t even think you’re being that cynical. They already use plenty of euphemisms and dog whistles. It wouldn’t be a huge leap, and there are definitely some extreme whack jobs in the House tp caucus.

103 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 29, 2015 11:24:14pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Why in the world would someone who could come up with the money and the talent to build a commercial web site want to hire ccj? Are there big bucks to be made catering to scatophiles?

104 Ace-o-aces  Jan 29, 2015 11:41:02pm

Max Blumenthal just retweeted Pamala Geller. Suddenly I need a drink.

105 Ace-o-aces  Jan 29, 2015 11:42:34pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Oh god. This is going to be that stupid IQ based dating site he was babbling about last week, isn’t it.

106 goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2015 11:43:39pm

She seems nice. It’s not CCJ’s fault that he attracts such blatantly anti-Semitic followers, really it isn’t. He just wants to talk about “innate differences in IQ among different races,” and assorted suchlike Eugenic tard-fuckery without all the inconvenient static cling that always plagues an otherwise heathy discussion of Nazi “science.”

107 Ace-o-aces  Jan 29, 2015 11:51:27pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

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She seems nice. It’s not CCJ’s fault that he attracts such blatantly anti-Semitic followers, really it isn’t. He just wants to talk about “innate differences in IQ among different races,” and assorted suchlike Eugenic tard-fuckery without all the inconvenient static cling that always plagues an otherwise heathy discussion of Nazi “science.”

Who could have predicted that promoting NAZI science would attract anti-Semites?

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:03:01am

re: #40 blueraven

How about this?

Let’s make it real hard for bad guys to get guns.

That is a solution that only works in civilized countries…

109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:03:52am

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

France has been trying that. It hasn’t really worked.

Recent attacks notwithstanding, their murder rate is about a fifth of the US. Restricting access to guns can work if there is not a powerful national lobby working against it.

110 teleskiguy  Jan 30, 2015 12:05:09am

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

goddamnedfrank, I appreciate your wit and words!

In times of right wing insane fuckery, we’ll laugh here.

:-D

111 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:05:53am

re: #65 darthstar

You don’t have to use deadly force…you just need to wing the kids. The law goes too far.

Nope, a wounded thug is only more dangerous. Empty the clip until they stop moving. Then punch yourself in the face and give yourself an orbital blowout.

/

112 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:09:17am

re: #90 teleskiguy

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Let’s send CCJ on an expedition to discover the Hollow Earth!!!

113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 30, 2015 12:12:49am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nope, a wounded thug is only more dangerous. Empty the clip until they stop moving. Then punch yourself in the face and give yourself an orbital blowout.

/

Yeah, this “orbital blowout” thing—I haven’t been paying too much attention to the details of this affair, because it disgusts me too much (and the facts are crystal-clear) but is this face shot of Darren Wilson we keep seeing supposed to evidence some kind of injury? Because I don’t see a fucking thing. Any more than I did on George Zimmerman’s head—until a few days later when his handlers decided his original story didn’t sound so good.

114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:14:51am

And the Liberal gun-grabbers won’t stop at guns, they also want to ban body armor….Next they will ban us from carrying Bibles because they might stop a bullet!

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115 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 30, 2015 12:17:41am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And the Liberal gun-grabbers won’t stop at guns, they also want to ban body armor….Next they will ban us from carrying Bibles because they might stop a bullet!

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That’s where they went wrong on Mythbusters! They should have tried to armor that vehicle with bibles instead of phone books. Would have made it invincible!

116 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:28:52am

re: #115 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s where they went wrong on Mythbusters! They should have tried to armor that vehicle with bibles instead of phone books. Would have made it invincible!

It won’t prevent the Libruls from trying to take away our Bibles and replacing them with Korans, which, as unskewered science has proved, do not stop bullets nearly as well.

/

117 Single-handed sailor  Jan 30, 2015 12:32:52am

I can understand setting the limit of civilian body armor to IIIA. I have no problem with this.

118 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:40:06am

re: #117 Single-handed sailor

I can understand setting the limit of civilian body armor to IIIA. I have no problem with this.

Because you obviously hate freedom.

/

119 Varek Raith  Jan 30, 2015 12:45:11am

re: #117 Single-handed sailor

I can understand setting the limit of civilian body armor to IIIA. I have no problem with this.

Sounds reasonable.
en.wikipedia.org

120 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 30, 2015 12:45:23am

“An armored society is a…” Hell, I can’t even think of an ending for that.

121 Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2015 12:51:05am

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

The only thing the Nazis got right (and it kills me to say the Nazis got anything right) was their anti-smoking campaign. They were the first to demonstrate the link between smoking and cancer. And they took steps that were considered quite radical at the time, such as banning smoking in streetcars and other forms of public transportation and in public places; they also imposed restrictions on advertising of tobacco and regulated coffeehouses and restaurants. Research on the negative effects of smoking thrived under the Nazi regime.

But a caveat - naturally, Nazis being Nazis, their anti-smoking campaign was tinged with overt racism and their typical blatant (and disgusting) anti-Semitism.

122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:55:11am

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

It should not kill anyone to say the Nazis had a few things about them that were not deplorably inhumane. They broke up a stodgy class-based society in Germany and promoted people based on ability. Autobahns, intercontinental rockets, paid vacations, etc, all continue to shape modern life in America.

But their theories about race and eugenics (not to mention their practices regarding these matters) were enough to warrant a war against them.

123 JamesWI  Jan 30, 2015 12:57:10am

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

France has been trying that. It hasn’t really worked.

Jesus Christ, you’re such a massive dipshit. Not only are you using the blood of a dozen innocent people to try to score political points…..you’re doing it in a completely incompetent manner.

Of course, you duck out after dropping that turd. And then, of course, tomorrow you’ll blame it on “being in a bad mood” or “having a bad day.” Because not only are you a piece of shit, you’re a spineless, cowardly piece of shit.

Go team go.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 12:58:13am

re: #123 JamesWI

Jesus Christ, you’re such a massive dipshit. Not only are you using the blood of a dozen innocent people to try to score political points…..you’re doing it in a completely incompetent manner.

Of course, you duck out after that. And then, of course, tomorrow you’ll blame it on “being in a bad mood” or “having a bad day.” Because not only are you a piece of shit, you’re a spineless piece of shit.

Go team go.

please, just disagree without getting personal

125 JamesWI  Jan 30, 2015 1:01:08am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

please, just disagree without getting personal

He says enough despicable shit on here that it’s impossible not to be at least a little personal. It’s like people here have just gotten used to it and go “Oh, that’s our Dark Falcon!!” But his comment was disgusting, as are so many of them.

So while I am normally a rather polite person, I have no trouble calling him out for being a disgusting human being.

126 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 1:03:34am

re: #125 JamesWI

I find there is a big a distinction in the level of civility between “your views are idiotic and those of a dipshit” and “you are an idiot and a dipshit”. But yes, DF’s moments of reason and clarity have grown few and far betwen

127 Kragar  Jan 30, 2015 1:09:37am

re: #117 Single-handed sailor

I can understand setting the limit of civilian body armor to IIIA. I have no problem with this.

Next you’ll be saying civilians don’t need anti-tank or anti-aircraft weapons.

Fascist.
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128 JamesWI  Jan 30, 2015 1:11:53am

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I find there is a big a distinction in the level of civility between “your views are idiotic and those of a dipshit” and “you are an idiot and a dipshit”. But yes, his moments of reason and clarity have grown few and far betwen

I just don’t see that distinction. If your views are idiotic and those of a dipshit, it seems pretty likely that you are an idiot and a dipshit. Unless you’re smart enough to know that your “views” are that terrible. But that would mean that person would have to pretty damn awful/evil to continue following and spreading those views.

I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt by going with “dipshit,” rather than “calculated, awful person.”

129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 1:14:48am

re: #128 JamesWI

I just don’t see that distinction. If your views are idiotic and those of a dipshit, it seems pretty likely that you are an idiot and a dipshit.

It has more to do with the level of civility on this site. We don’t need to go there.

130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 30, 2015 1:21:19am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It should not kill anyone to say the Nazis had a few things about them that were not deplorably inhumane. They broke up a stodgy class-based society in Germany and promoted people based on ability. Autobahns, intercontinental rockets, paid vacations, etc, all continue to shape modern life in America.

But their theories about race and eugenics (not to mention their practices regarding these matters) were enough to warrant a war against them.

I wonder how the Nazis would have dealt with anti-vaxers? Just Asking Questions….

131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 1:29:06am

re: #130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder how the Nazis would have dealt with anti-vaxers? Just Asking Questions….

On one hand, they were big into trendy pseudosciences. On the other hand, they very much put the Greater Good over individual choice.

132 Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2015 1:29:12am

re: #130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder how the Nazis would have dealt with anti-vaxers? Just Asking Questions….

I would imagine……..quite sternly.

TBH, I have no idea what the Nazis position was on vaccinations, but I imagine they would have viewed it as necessary for “racial hygiene”.

133 Romantic Heretic  Jan 30, 2015 2:19:02am

re: #37 Lidane

Oh come on. You can’t expect anyone to buy that. The NRA absolutely believe guns are the answer to everything.

I’m not entirely sure that is true.

Their job is to help their backers in the firearms industry to sell more product. It must be admitted that the terror they are spreading has been an effective strategy.

Whether they believe it or not is pretty much beside the point. The companies that have bought them are getting richer and belief doesn’t enter into that.

134 Romantic Heretic  Jan 30, 2015 2:22:26am

re: #43 OhNoZombies!

Who determines who is the good guy and who is the bad guy in this messed up system of ours?

Last man standing?

135 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 2:47:43am

re: #134 Romantic Heretic

Last man standing?

The lesson of SYG is not to leave any living witness who might contradict your version of events.

136 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 2:49:16am

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

Not so sure it’s as bad as implied. Not sure as I’m just getting started looking into this-But it may be intended as legal cover for a teacher or staffer who fights a mass killer with lethal force, perhaps a gun. It does not mean a teacher can execute a student for breaking a pencil.

What new rights or protections does it add that the teachers didn’t have? If they’re acting lawfully, of course the teachers - or anyone else - shouldn’t be prosecuted. It is already so. So what is this law about?

137 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 2:55:29am

re: #104 Ace-o-aces

Max Blumenthal just retweeted Pamala Geller. Suddenly I need a drink.

He did it to make a stupid point against JeSuisCharlie. So no, he doesn’t support Geller, and yes, he’s a stupid asshole. Been that for several years now. Not worth reading.

138 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 2:56:23am

re: #136 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What new rights or protections does it add that the teachers didn’t have? If they’re acting lawfully, of course the teachers - or anyone else - shouldn’t be prosecuted. It is already so. So what is this law about?

For those who defend this law: where’s the law that allows students to use deadly force against teachers? I mean, a teacher can go bad just as a student, so where’s that necessary law, eh?

139 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar  Jan 30, 2015 3:12:40am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

I would imagine……..quite sternly.

TBH, I have no idea what the Nazis position was on vaccinations, but I imagine they would have viewed it as necessary for “racial hygiene”.

Reaching the right conclusion for the wrong reasons isn’t really to the long-term benefit of other people, and in the realm of the scientific it’s exactly the same as being wrong. The Nazis were up to their elbows in quack science, especially in and around biology. We remember the “hits”—the stuff that worked—but forget the heaping mass of misses. Heck, there wasn’t even a coherent set of quackery that all Nazis followed. The people of influence dabbled, and used their authority to encode their personal beliefs into mandates—the most blatant example being Himmler’s various occult fixations. It’s like if you gave the stupidest, New Age-y celebrity real, immediate power over state policy.

And a declaration of values (“let’s preserve nature,” “let’s ban smoking”) doesn’t really float unattached within the world of ideas. Its the midsection of a chain between base assumptions and conclusions drawn…and the Nazis don’t deserve any credit for having a few “good” values—like about personal health—since the motives for and ends desired were utterly fucking bonkers, quackier than a duck herd, and usually involved a lot of people dying. Take the base assumptions about not smoking: it wasn’t just about health, it was about your body not belonging to you. As a man, you were to be healthy to fight or labor in war industry, as a woman, you were expected to be healthy to make babies, because you were a sub-unit of the race. And the combined assertions—you body is not yours plus personal health as racial hygiene—meant that ultimately the individual were expected to die if you were unhealthy for the body politic, even if they were Hot Shit Aryan, #1 grade. Mind you, the ur-assumption of all Nazi policy was war preparation. Giving people the warm fuzzies with free vacations and a cheap VW Beetle is a bit short shrift when you’re prepping them for a total war followed by gruesome process of rendering colonized territory into a new racial state.

The other creepy thing about the “good” Nazi ideas is that they’re cut flowers: the country went to war, lost the war, and the party was effectively stamped out. We’re looking at their incomplete projects, starts without finishes, when we look at their non-military efforts. “Strength through Joy” vacations were goofy fun for the participants, but only because the Nazis hadn’t nailed down the details on making the trips about racial history and solidarity. Their building projects that we remember—the Autobahn—are the practical ones, but their plans for post-war new cities and new monuments were enormous, expensive follies.

140 Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2015 3:21:42am

re: #139 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

You mentioned the KdF vacations, and I recall reading from Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Third Reich that he went on one of those junkets as a reporter and he noticed a substantial amount of Nazi propaganda being disseminated.

But you’re quite right - as far as the Nazis and their anti-smoking campaigns, the fundamental assumption behind it was healthy soldiers for the conquering Reich and healthy women to breed healthy future soliders for the ever-conquering Reich. It had very little - if anything at all - to do with individual health.

One thing I didn’t know until I’d read up more about it was that Hitler himself was quite the heavy smoker during his halcyon days lounging about in Vienna, and he quit out of economic necessity; he was living in a men’s hostel as I recall, because he was pretty much broke.

I’ve quit because I was finding it well-nigh impossible to breathe. I figured in a few more years - I’m 45 now - I’d be lugging around one of those little oxygen tanks with tubes up my nose and it would certainly limit my mobility.

No thanks. So far, BTW, the quitting’s going easier than I thought. Maybe because this time, I really do want to quit.

141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 3:24:06am

For someone so interested in IQ he’s woefully misinformed about the consensus scientific view. While individual IQ differences have both environmental and genetic basis, it cannot be extrapolated to the differences between groups because different environments (and that includes social environments) will produce different results. Of course Chuck would deny that blacks live in a different environment, but he would do that, wouldn’t he.

About the Black-White difference in IQ, which at the time
was about 15 points, the Neisser et al. (1996) article stated,
“There is not much direct evidence on this point, but what
there is fails to support a genetic hypothesis.” That conclusion
stands today: There has been no new direct evidence
on the question.
[…]
One of the most telling of the studies was available at
the time of the Neisser et al. (1996) report but was apparently
not known to them. This is an adoption study by
Moore (1986). She examined the IQs of Black and mixedrace
children averaging 81𠑂 years of age who were adopted
by middle-class families who were either Black or White.
The children who were of half-European origin had virtually
the same average IQ as the children who were of
exclusively Black origin. Hence European genes were of
no advantage to this group of “Blacks.” Children (both
Black and mixed-race) adopted by White families had IQs
13 points higher on average than those adopted by Black
families, indicating that there were marked differences in
the environments of Black and White families relevant to
socialization for IQ; indeed, the differences were large
enough to account for virtually the entire Black-White gap
in IQ at the time of the study.6

Nisbett, Richard E.; Aronson, Joshua; Blair, Clancy; Dickens, William; Flynn, James; Halpern, Diane F.; Turkheimer, Eric
“Intelligence. New Findings and Theoretical Developments”, American Psychologist, Vol 67(2), Feb-Mar 2012, 130-159.

142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 3:28:53am

re: #141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s a biological fact that there are innate differences in IQ among different races. If you can’t deal with that, enjoy being a truther.

There seems to be some correlation between how races score on written IQ tests. But if you accept the premise that relative scores on IQ tests = absolute difference in intelligence, then you are either a complete idiot, or a racist trying to couch his twisted views using selective statistics.

143 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 3:44:54am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

BTW, I would appreciate if you didn’t quote it as coming from me ;)

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 4:01:43am

re: #143 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

BTW, I would appreciate if you didn’t quote it as coming from me ;)

If one accepts the premise…then one is…

145 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 4:19:16am

Morning Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. The bottom finally dropped out of the temperature overnight, leaving us frost-coated and shivering for the weekend. For those of you who were following along with the saga of the fish nephew, that story can now be drawn to its conclusion; he passed away this morning. How go things among the lizardfolk on this seemingly black Friday?

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 4:38:50am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Weather in Germany is doing its usual winter thing: hovering around freezing with precipitation alternating between snow, sleet and rain.

147 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 4:39:44am

OH HAI.

So ChuckC has gone full retard nazi? Not sure if he actually believes the crazy shit he posts on Twitter or he’s just doing it for the attentions.

148 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 4:40:12am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. The bottom finally dropped out of the temperature overnight, leaving us frost-coated and shivering for the weekend. For those of you who were following along with the saga of the fish nephew, that story can now be drawn to its conclusion; he passed away this morning. How go things among the lizardfolk on this seemingly black Friday?

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149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 4:42:58am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI.

So ChuckC has gone full retard nazi? Not sure if he actually believes the crazy shit he posts on Twitter or he’s just doing it for the attentions.

He seems to be a man who is very sure of his views, and since he is not open to anyone who disagrees with him, he just digs in deeper.

150 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 4:45:15am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He seems to be a man who is very sure of his views, and since he is not open to anyone who disagrees with him, he just digs in deeper.

I’m thinking that he can’t possibly be so deranged that he actually believes all the crazy shit he Tweets and he’s just saying random outrageous crap for the attentions.

151 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 4:46:07am

I could be wrong, maybe he really is that deranged. But if that is the case, how does he manage to dress himself?

152 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 4:46:44am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

I could be wrong, maybe he really is that deranged. But if that is the case, how does he manage to dress himself?

Hot Asian nannies.

153 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 4:49:29am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

I’m thinking that he can’t possibly be so deranged that he actually believes all the crazy shit he Tweets and he’s just saying random outrageous crap for the attentions.

He seems to be a really weird case. He holds some truly abhorrent views, to be sure - he’s clearly a sexist without equal - but at the same time, it’s equally clear that he is literally doing all of this only for the attention it brings him.

154 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 4:49:37am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. The bottom finally dropped out of the temperature overnight, leaving us frost-coated and shivering for the weekend. For those of you who were following along with the saga of the fish nephew, that story can now be drawn to its conclusion; he passed away this morning. How go things among the lizardfolk on this seemingly black Friday?

It stinks. That’s the most profound thing you can say to the family.

155 Dark_Falcon  Jan 30, 2015 4:50:51am

re: #117 Single-handed sailor

I can understand setting the limit of civilian body armor to IIIA. I have no problem with this.

I don’t agree with that, firstly because body armor is not a notable factor in crime, the North Hollywood shootout excepted. Let people protect themselves as they wish.

156 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar  Jan 30, 2015 4:50:58am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

I’ve quit because I was finding it well-nigh impossible to breathe. I figured in a few more years - I’m 45 now - I’d be lugging around one of those little oxygen tanks with tubes up my nose and it would certainly limit my mobility.

No thanks. So far, BTW, the quitting’s going easier than I thought. Maybe because this time, I really do want to quit.

I smoked periodically…basically as a kind of self-medication for anxiety…through my 20s. It was never a full-time habit, but deciding to quit outright was still tough. The biology of it—the body adjusting its own coping mechanisms to accommodate the nicotine stimulating you brain’s reward center (via FosB in the nucleus accumbens)—is freaky. The cigarette becomes natural, integrated into your biology.

Honestly, man, it’s good that you quit at any age. Those things are horrid. My dad was a chain-smoker, and utterly convinced there wasn’t any risk right up until they found the cancer that killed him. He was a jerk, but nobody deserves that kind of affliction.

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 30, 2015 4:51:21am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Grant him rest in the light Amen

158 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 4:52:19am

People who keep repeating stuff that is objectively, provably untrue are delusional if they actually believe it, but sociopathic if they know it’s false but keep repeating it anyway.

My opinion is that ChuckC is a sociopath AND delusional.

159 Dark_Falcon  Jan 30, 2015 4:52:24am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He seems to be a man who is very sure of his views, and since he is not open to anyone who disagrees with him, he just digs in deeper.

Caution, UpChuck at work:

160 Mike Lamb  Jan 30, 2015 4:53:24am

His use of his “hot Asian wife” is such a fucking tell. “I have a [insert ethnicity] friend” is the last refuge of a racist.

161 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 4:53:58am

Oh look at this stinking turd that some asshole dropped in my time line:

162 Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2015 4:55:52am

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree with that, firstly because body armor is not a notable factor in crime, the North Hollywood shootout excepted. Let people protect themselves as they wish.

So…police need AR-15s to defend themselves against criminals with automatic weapons due to the North Hollywood shooting, but that shooting doesn’t mean we should restrict body armor (or the weapons) used in that shooting?

163 Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2015 4:57:18am

re: #156 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

I smoked periodically…basically as a kind of self-medication for anxiety…through my 20s. It was never a full-time habit, but deciding to quit outright was still tough. The biology of it—the body adjusting its own coping mechanisms to accommodate the nicotine stimulating you brain’s reward center (via FosB in the nucleus accumbens)—is freaky. The cigarette becomes natural, integrated into your biology.

Honestly, man, it’s good that you quit at any age. Those things are horrid. My dad was a chain-smoker, and utterly convinced there wasn’t any risk right up until they found the cancer that killed him. He was a jerk, but nobody deserves that kind of affliction.

Both my parents smoked, so I’m pretty sure that’s where I got it from. Like I said, I’m using nicotine patches - a 10-week program - and the one thing I still “crave” is almost purely psychological. It’s putting cigarette in my mouth, and taking a drag, and feeling the burn as I draw the smoke down. It sounds horrible (and healthwise, it certainly is) but there’s a psychological factor involved in that. It feels good, as weird as that sounds.

Fortunately, this is a 10-week program, and knowing myself, by the end of that 10 weeks, I likely won’t miss it at all.

ETA: I was a pretty heavy smoker. At minimum, a pack a day. Sometimes, close to two.

164 Dark_Falcon  Jan 30, 2015 4:59:10am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

So…police need AR-15s to defend themselves against criminals with automatic weapons due to the North Hollywood shooting, but that shooting doesn’t mean we should restrict body armor (or the weapons) used in that shooting?

Given how rarely such a armor is a factor, no. I’m not going say more on that line, I don’t have the time this morning.

165 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 5:03:44am

After Aurora and Newtown, I think there’s a strong case to be made that civilian access to body armor needs to be restricted.

166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 5:06:08am

re: #165 Targetpractice

After Aurora and Newtown, I think there’s a strong case to be made that civilian access to body armor needs to be restricted.

Idiots in body armor are even more inspired to commit reckless acts in public.

167 Dark_Falcon  Jan 30, 2015 5:07:10am

re: #165 Targetpractice

After Aurora and Newtown, I think there’s a strong case to be made that civilian access to body armor needs to be restricted.

Adam Lanza did not use body armor.

168 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 5:08:32am

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

Adam Lanza did not use body armor.

Imagine if he had…

169 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 5:10:52am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

So…police need AR-15s to defend themselves against criminals with automatic weapons due to the North Hollywood shooting, but that shooting doesn’t mean we should restrict body armor (or the weapons) used in that shooting?

That shooting was pretty much a black swan (and unsuccessful). Hanging around the militia sites, I don’t pick up any great interest in armor, largely because other elements like medevac are not in their nutcase scenarios. IIRC there was no kevlar showing at the Great Bundy FTX. It’s probably better if they spend the last of their social security checks on armor rather than ammo.

(The more passionate threeper sites are getting very interested in secure commo.)

170 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 5:11:16am

That Time Badass Feminist Queen Elizabeth II Gave Saudi Arabia’s King a Lesson in Power

171 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 5:11:50am

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

Adam Lanza did not use body armor.

Now suppose he had. What good would arming teachers have done then? Discard the fantasies where a teacher under fire suddenly becomes a master shot and can hit a person in the leg without presenting themselves like a wooden duck at a shooting range.

172 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 5:14:43am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

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That Time Badass Feminist Queen Elizabeth II Gave Saudi Arabia’s King a Lesson in Power

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The Queen also drives the I-20 in Alabama with a bunch of guns in the car. A wingnut Tweeted it so I know it has to be true.

173 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 5:18:35am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

Corn

Why does the word ‘corn’ mean so many different grains?

Because ‘corn’ originally meant any small particle — even sand or salt. That is why beef preserved by the use of salt is called ‘corned beef.’ When ‘com’ finally came to mean a certain type of grain it was used to refer to the grain that was the leading crop of the locality. In England, therefore, ‘corn’ is wheat; in Scotland and Ireland, ‘corn’ is oats; and in the United States, it’s maize.

174 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 5:20:24am

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

Given how rarely such a armor is a factor, no. I’m not going say more on that line, I don’t have the time this morning.

THE IDEA of restricting body armor seems to me like the idea of restricting condoms.

Shouldn’t we focus on restricting ammo instead?

175 Dark_Falcon  Jan 30, 2015 5:22:15am

re: #171 Targetpractice

Now suppose he had. What good would arming teachers have done then? Discard the fantasies where a teacher under fire suddenly becomes a master shot and can hit a person in the leg without presenting themselves like a wooden duck at a shooting range.

Why are you bringing arming teachers up? I hadn’t mentioned that.

176 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 5:23:13am

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

THE IDEA of restricting body armor seems to me like the idea of restricting condoms.

Shouldn’t we focus on restricting ammo instead?

Everybody who’s a problem has a 3-war supply. It’s very difficult to do in the sense of individual rights, but I’d like to see more research into the identification of nutcases.

177 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 5:23:19am

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

Why are you bringing arming teachers up? I hadn’t mentioned that.

Scroll up and look at the main article of this thread.

178 Dark_Falcon  Jan 30, 2015 5:28:06am

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

Scroll up and look at the main article of this thread.

Touche. All the same, I don’t favor that bill, and frankly I’d prefer armor to a gun in a dangerous situation.

179 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 30, 2015 5:28:30am

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

I’d believe it if it were Kentucky. She’s got horses in KY.

180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 5:28:53am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Touche. All the same, I don’t favor that bill, and frankly I’d prefer armor to a gun in a dangerous situation.

And I would prefer that an armed assailant were not armored.

181 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 5:30:08am

re: #179 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I’d believe it if it were Kentucky. She’s got horses in KY.

I-20 goes through the Southern states.

182 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 5:31:45am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Touche. All the same, I don’t favor that bill, and frankly I’d prefer armor to a gun in a dangerous situation.

Personally I’d prefer to render such situations few and far between, if not extinct. I consider it absolutely ridiculous that people in this country are seriously debating what level of body armor should be available for sale to the public.

183 wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2015 5:34:38am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. The bottom finally dropped out of the temperature overnight, leaving us frost-coated and shivering for the weekend. For those of you who were following along with the saga of the fish nephew, that story can now be drawn to its conclusion; he passed away this morning. How go things among the lizardfolk on this seemingly black Friday?

{{{fish}}}

184 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 5:34:45am

re: #182 Targetpractice

Personally I’d prefer to render such situations few and far between, if not extinct. I consider it absolutely ridiculous that people in this country are seriously debating what level of body armor should be available for sale to the public.

How else are we going to justify police sabot rounds?

185 Dark_Falcon  Jan 30, 2015 5:37:35am

re: #182 Targetpractice

Personally I’d prefer to render such situations few and far between, if not extinct. I consider it absolutely ridiculous that people in this country are seriously debating what level of body armor should be available for sale to the public.

My take is that if something isn’t a notable factor in crime, it should not be restricted unless it is an area-fire weapon (grenades, automatic weapons, mortars, etc (there are very clear reasons to restrict those types of weapons)).

But if something isn’t a notable factor in crime and is not an area-fire weapon, then it should not be restricted. To me, the onus is always on those wanting a restriction, with the question not “Why do you want this?” but rather “Why should people not be allowed to own this.”

And with that, I’m out.

186 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 30, 2015 5:41:37am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

I-20 goes through the Southern states.

Yeah, I know. She’d have to be on 64, 71 or 75 to be in KY. I think she flies into Lexington, and her entourage whisks HRM off to Winchester someplace.

187 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 5:41:49am

Sorry, but outside of law enforcement and perhaps hunting, I can’t see anybody who has a need for body armor in their day-to-day lives. And certainly not above level IIIA. Especially if, as we’re always told, rifles make up such a small amount of gun crime.

188 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 5:43:25am

re: #182 Targetpractice

Personally I’d prefer to render such situations few and far between, if not extinct. I consider it absolutely ridiculous that people in this country are seriously debating what level of body armor should be available for sale to the public.

We’re well beyond that.

Ballistic School Backpack
189 Mattand  Jan 30, 2015 5:47:17am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Condolences to you and your family. Truly sorry to hear that.

190 Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2015 5:48:36am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

My condolences.

191 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2015 5:50:46am

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah when she’s in Wal-Mart, her car gets broken into/stolen. With 2 of those guns. Then what.

192 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 5:51:34am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Touche. All the same, I don’t favor that bill, and frankly I’d prefer armor to a gun in a dangerous situation.

193 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 5:56:18am

re: #191 GlutenFreeJesus

Yeah when she’s in Wal-Mart, her car gets broken into/stolen. With 2 of those guns. Then what.

Her Majesty never shops at Walmart. She prefers Target.

194 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 5:58:57am

Jesuskid= Lamest Superhero Ever

195 wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2015 6:01:02am

Yesterday I received a subpoena to appear at the preliminary hearing of the woman who hit me, She’s charged with grievous bodily harm (me) and my lawyer hopes she’ll also be charged with being uninsured.

196 Varek Raith  Jan 30, 2015 6:01:40am

re: #195 wrenchwench

Yesterday I received a subpoena to appear at the preliminary hearing of the woman who hit me, She’s charged with grievous bodily harm (me) and my lawyer hopes she’ll also be charged with being uninsured.

How’s the recovery?

197 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 6:02:22am

re: #195 wrenchwench

Yesterday I received a subpoena to appear at the preliminary hearing of the woman who hit me, She’s charged with grievous bodily harm (me) and my lawyer hopes she’ll also be charged with being uninsured.

Better she had been ridiculously over-insured.

198 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 6:02:25am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

Jesuskid= Lamest Superhero Ever

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One thing that pisses me off about born agains - they never fucking give a page number for their quotes. Phillipians - is that before Exodus or after Revelations?

199 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 6:03:50am

re: #198 darthstar

One thing that pisses me off about born agains - they never fucking give a page number for their quotes. Phillipians - is that before Exodus or after Revelations?

I’m pretty sure there is no quote that says Jesus will catch you if you put on a towel cape and jump out of the upstairs window.

200 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 6:04:16am

Let me guess, he’s coming out today to announce he’s putting an exploratory committee together to consider a run.

201 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 6:04:38am

re: #198 darthstar

One thing that pisses me off about born agains - they never fucking give a page number for their quotes. Phillipians - is that before Exodus or after Revelations?

What, you don’t have the whole thing memorized? HEATHEN!

202 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2015 6:04:53am

re: #193 The Vicious Babushka

That’s “Tar-jey”, you peon!

203 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 6:05:05am

re: #200 Targetpractice

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Let me guess, he’s coming out today to announce he’s putting an exploratory committee together to consider a run.

This is his second consecutive Friday news dump announcement.

204 wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2015 6:05:36am

re: #196 Varek Raith

How’s the recovery?

Last week I was told that what I have (eyeballs that don’t work together) almost always cures itself, so they don’t want to interfere for 6 months from the injury, which means the end of April.

205 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 6:05:39am
206 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 6:06:04am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

I’m pretty sure there is no quote that says Jesus will catch you if you put on a towel cape and jump out of the upstairs window.


“If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.”
(Luke 4:9-13) citing Psalms 91:12.

207 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:06:32am

{{{{Fish and FishSpawn}}}}}

208 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2015 6:07:40am

re: #205 darthstar

Why don’t we give them Paul Ryan?

209 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 6:08:27am

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

No, I think it actually is as insane as advertised.

Note, this bill provides not only the use of deadly force to protect the teacher or other students, but school property.

To wit (the actual text of this bill):

An educator is justified in using force or deadly force on school property, on a school bus, or at a school-sponsored event in defense of property of the school that employs the educator if, under the circumstances as the educator reasonably believes them to be, the educator would be justified under Section 9.43, Penal Code, in using force or deadly force, as applicable, in defense of property of the school that employs the educator.

9.43 refers to use of deadly force to protect one’s property:

A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection
of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third
person’s land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor’s spouse, parent, or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor’s care.

So, the potential theft of a pen or a backpack would be sufficient grounds for the use of deadly force as construed since a theft of a the pen or backpack is the theft of a item of tangible personal property, and the student who owns the backpack or pen requests help and the teacher would have a duty to protect that student’s property (since the student is under the teacher’s care).

Meanwhile, we’ve got police officers still using deadly force to stop the mentally ill - as I noted yesterday (and the death was captured on video - and indicates that officers screwed the pooch by having her detained and mysteriously let her go, only to shoot her dead moments later).

210 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2015 6:08:33am

Imagine if this happened in the US, and the idiot wasn’t a white guy in a suit.

Dutch TV intruder with fake gun had ‘no terror links’

211 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 6:08:41am

re: #206 Decatur Deb


“If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.”
(Luke 4:9-13) citing Psalms 91:12.

LOL that was Satan speaking.

212 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 6:10:00am

re: #205 darthstar

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Obviously the answer is to invade and conquer Ukraine. Or, at least that seems to be the one that Putin is going with.

213 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2015 6:10:15am

re: #209 lawhawk

if, under the circumstances as the educator reasonably believes them to be

Seems just as vague as Florida’s Stand Your Ground BS.

214 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 6:10:58am

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

{{{{Fish and FishSpawn}}}}}

Thank you. Thanks to all of you. Y’all are good lizard-people.

215 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:11:51am

I wrote a bit of a screed to go along with an article from Mother Jones.

216 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 6:12:54am

re: #213 GlutenFreeJesus

Seems just as vague as Florida’s Stand Your Ground BS.

Indeed, most juries generally do not feel comfortable looking too deeply into what is “reasonable” at the moment a person takes action. What seems “unreasonable” to you or me could be argued as “reasonable” in the mind of a person who is gripped by panic.

217 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 6:14:03am

re: #216 Targetpractice

Indeed, most juries generally do not feel comfortable looking too deeply into what is “reasonable” at the moment a person takes action. What seems “unreasonable” to you or me could be argued as “reasonable” in the mind of a person who is gripped by panic.

“Nobody dips pigtails in my inkwells.”

218 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:15:28am

re: #209 lawhawk

No, I think it actually is as insane as advertised.

Note, this bill provides not only the use of deadly force to protect the teacher or other students, but school property.

To wit (the actual text of this bill):

9.43 refers to use of deadly force to protect one’s property:

So, the potential theft of a pen or a backpack would be sufficient grounds for the use of deadly force as construed since a theft of a the pen or backpack is the theft of a item of tangible personal property, and the student who owns the backpack or pen requests help and the teacher would have a duty to protect that student’s property (since the student is under the teacher’s care).

Meanwhile, we’ve got police officers still using deadly force to stop the mentally ill - as I noted yesterday (and the death was captured on video - and indicates that officers screwed the pooch by having her detained and mysteriously let her go, only to shoot her dead moments later).

I’ve come to believe it is wrong to use deadly force to defend property. The only exception might be arson.

Unless one is in danger of losing the roof over one’s head or a car if one is in an isolated place during bad weather or treacherous conditions, I can’t see property being worth a life.

It has to be truly self-defense.

219 Varek Raith  Jan 30, 2015 6:17:00am

re: #200 Targetpractice

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Let me guess, he’s coming out today to announce he’s putting an exploratory committee together to consider a run.

No.
A committee to explore whether to think about thinking about forming an exploratory committee to consider if he should form a committee to possibly run.
Maybe.

220 De Kolta Chair  Jan 30, 2015 6:17:06am

… take Dylan McDermott, for example.

221 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 6:17:40am

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

I’ve come to believe it is wrong to use deadly force to defend property. The only exception might be arson.

Unless one is in danger of losing the roof over one’s head or a car if one is in an isolated place during bad weather or treacherous conditions, I can’t see property being worth a life.

It has to be truly self-defense.

In our tae kwon do self-defense seminars, we’re taught that if they’re demanding our wallet or cell phone, it’s better to just hand it over rather than risk actual physical harm by engaging. It’s only if the assailant is attempting physical harm (a rapist) or attempting to coerce to leave the location of initial assault (chances of survival drop dramatically once you get taken away) that we are encouraged to defend ourselves.

222 Varek Raith  Jan 30, 2015 6:17:46am

re: #205 darthstar

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This never gets old.

223 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 6:17:51am
224 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 6:18:00am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

My condolences to you and yours.

225 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 6:21:20am

Calling All Hackers!

226 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2015 6:21:45am

re: #216 Targetpractice

“Big black guy on drugs charging me like a crazed bull!!!!”

227 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 6:22:41am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

Calling All Hackers!

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He needs someone to help with the HTML on his web page.

228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 6:23:18am

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

“Big black guy on drugs charging me like a crazed bull!!!!”

His hands were his deadly weapons!

229 Great White Snark  Jan 30, 2015 6:23:41am

re: #209 lawhawk

Just gonna point out an important part of that comment that some are not taking seriously apparently.

Not so sure it’s as bad as implied. Not sure as I’m just getting started looking into this-

Had not even read the text through yet. I see it does apply to property and consistent with a person in Texas being allowed to use deadly force to protect their own property, which pf course in also wrong. Property can be bought it’s just money. Not worth more than moderate force like an arrest.

230 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:25:24am
231 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 6:26:21am

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

I can understand the Castle Doctrine and it makes some sense, but extending it to everywhere doesn’t - which is what SYG and this bill propose to do. When everyone has guns, no one is truly safe. Just witness all the shootings involving supposedly good guys with guns (self-inflicted, accidental, etc.) along with the suicides and homicides that total more than 30,000 a year.

In fact, gun deaths are close to exceeding the number of vehicular deaths in the US.

232 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:27:59am

WEATHER TERM for the Day:

Circumzenithal arc

233 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 6:28:34am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

WTF is “IQ related issues”?

234 Varek Raith  Jan 30, 2015 6:29:19am

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

WEATHER TERM for the Day:

Circumzenithal arc

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AKA, upside down rainbow.
/falling gold coins!

235 Great White Snark  Jan 30, 2015 6:29:35am

re: #82 palomino

I’m not lumping YOU in with anyone. The only thing I know about you is what you write here, so that’s what I respond to.

Please, tell me how their talking points differ so much from what Skip wrote.

Skip-“So Texas schools are about to become free kill zones, just like the NRA wants”

Let’s see where “free kill zone” was ever a stated policy goal. Ummm no where. Overstatement is overstatement. Pointing this out really is not an indication of any kind of support for the NRA just an objection to the exaggeration.

236 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:29:40am

re: #231 lawhawk

I can understand the Castle Doctrine and it makes some sense, but extending it to everywhere doesn’t - which is what SYG and this bill propose to do. When everyone has guns, no one is truly safe. Just witness all the shootings involving supposedly good guys with guns (self-inflicted, accidental, etc.) along with the suicides and homicides that total more than 30,000 a year.

In fact, gun deaths are close to exceeding the number of vehicular deaths in the US.

Their role in Intimate Partner Violence (IPV) is particularly disturbing to me. I was raised with guns in the house and NEVER feared they would be used against the family.

The fact is that an alarming number of people can’t trust their own family members with guns.

237 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 6:30:29am

re: #233 Dr. Matt

WTF is “IQ related issues”?

He wants smart people to come work for him so he can hack the victims of his particular abuse.

238 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:31:00am
239 De Kolta Chair  Jan 30, 2015 6:32:41am
The back cover of Dylan’s new Sinatra album. Judging by the Sun Records 45 he’s holding, it’s a tribute to Sinatra’s obscure rockabilly phase.
240 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:32:55am
241 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 6:33:59am
242 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 6:34:48am

Has anyone actually listened to any of the Dylan covers of Sinatra? Ol’ Blue Eyes could actually sing, Dylan could never carry a tune in a bucket. If anything his pipes are even more wrecked than they were 50 years ago.

243 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 6:35:19am

re: #236 FemNaziBitch

Their role in Intimate Partner Violence (IPV) is particularly disturbing to me. I was raised with guns in the house and NEVER feared they would be used against the family.

The fact is that an alarming number of people can’t trust their own family members with guns.

And really, isn’t this what it all boils down to? There are a lot of people out there that just plain shouldn’t own guns. Period. For whatever reason - maybe they have the gun-fucker mentality, maybe they’re legitimately mentally unstable or have a history of violence or other anger issues. Whatever it is, we need to be responsible with giving people the power to hurt or kill other people on a whim, methinks.

244 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 6:36:17am

This BANNED Budweiser Commercial Is Hilarious. Every Office Needs This!

245 Varek Raith  Jan 30, 2015 6:37:33am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

This BANNED Budweiser Commercial Is Hilarious. Every Office Needs This!

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Video

Poop.

246 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 6:38:15am

re: #245 Varek Raith

Poop.

Doesn’t count

247 De Kolta Chair  Jan 30, 2015 6:38:36am

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Has anyone actually listened to any of the Dylan covers of Sinatra? Ol’ Blue Eyes could actually sing, Dylan could never carry a tune in a bucket. If anything his pipes are even more wrecked than they were 50 years ago.

I’ve heard the two songs that have been released so far and I like ‘em.

248 Great White Snark  Jan 30, 2015 6:39:02am

re: #231 lawhawk

Is castle Doctrine the right term to use for both the late 1800’s SCOTUS rulings on defense at home etc and the latter day NRA scripted broadening?

BRB…

249 Varek Raith  Jan 30, 2015 6:43:37am

Off to do some work.
Maybe.
:)

250 Snarknado!  Jan 30, 2015 6:43:50am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

My condolences to all the fishfolk.

251 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 6:44:42am

re: #233 Dr. Matt

WTF is “IQ related issues”?

People who are “too intelligent to cope with normal society”. Another term for asocial assholes.

252 Great White Snark  Jan 30, 2015 6:45:17am

re: #231 lawhawk

Cont… I’d hate to speak in support of the SCOTUS one and be thought to be referring to the latter. Yikes. Gotta commute for a bit.

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 30, 2015 6:46:52am

re: #231 lawhawk

I can understand the Castle Doctrine and it makes some sense, but extending it to everywhere doesn’t - which is what SYG and this bill propose to do. When everyone has guns, no one is truly safe. Just witness all the shootings involving supposedly good guys with guns (self-inflicted, accidental, etc.) along with the suicides and homicides that total more than 30,000 a year.

In fact, gun deaths are close to exceeding the number of vehicular deaths in the US.

We’ll have to adjust for that by arming cars.

Once all the people have guns the NRA and manufacturers will need to find a new market to exploit.
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254 Eventual Carrion  Jan 30, 2015 6:47:25am

re: #233 Dr. Matt

WTF is “IQ related issues”?

I think here IQ stands for “Idiotic Questions”.

255 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 6:50:16am

re: #253 Feline Fearless Leader

We’ll have to adjust for that by arming cars.

Once all the people have guns the NRA and manufacturers will need to find a new market to exploit.
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Well, the Constitution does give us the right to keep and arm bears…

256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 6:54:01am

More of that GOP outreach:

257 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 6:55:34am
258 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 6:55:50am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

More of that GOP outreach:

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Seems that the GOP learned nothing from 2012 and have decided to spend 2016 letting their freak flag fly.

259 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 30, 2015 6:56:18am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It should not kill anyone to say the Nazis had a few things about them that were not deplorably inhumane. They broke up a stodgy class-based society in Germany and promoted people based on ability. Autobahns, intercontinental rockets, paid vacations, etc, all continue to shape modern life in America.

But their theories about race and eugenics (not to mention their practices regarding these matters) were enough to warrant a war against them.

My father worked in Germany in the late 60’s, when it was double extra good to be an American (4 Deutsch Marks to the dollar and plenty of things to do!) and of course there were more than a few German veterans of WW2 working in the civil services. My father related a conversation he had with an older German ex-NCO who asserted that if Hitler hadn’t started the war he may well have gone down in history as one of Germany’s greatest leaders. There are people who gloss over the racial, genocidal mania of the Third Reich even now. Imagine if he’d just been a purely domestic dictator - the world would be very different today…

260 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 7:01:03am

And not for the first time either.

261 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 7:02:18am

re: #260 lawhawk

The psychopath gets off yet again. Amazing.

262 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 7:03:36am

re: #260 lawhawk

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And not for the first time either.

Sounds like a battered spouse to me.

263 Mike Lamb  Jan 30, 2015 7:03:44am

re: #261 Dr. Matt

The psychopath gets off yet again. Amazing.

That’s at least 5 lives. 4 more to go.

264 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 7:04:32am

re: #259 Pawn of the Oppressor

My father worked in Germany in the late 60’s, when it was double extra good to be an American (4 Deutsch Marks to the dollar and plenty of things to do!) and of course there were more than a few German veterans of WW2 working in the civil services. My father related a conversation he had with an older German ex-NCO who asserted that if Hitler hadn’t started the war he may well have gone down in history as one of Germany’s greatest leaders. There are people who gloss over the racial, genocidal mania of the Third Reich even now. Imagine if he’d just been a purely domestic dictator - the world would be very different today…

Hitler needed the war to pay of all the debt he had incurred in rearming Germany. That is another one of those implausible “what-ifs” of history.

Other claim that Hitler would have won the war if he had only listened to his generals, but they were almost all against starting the war in the first place, they knew that Germany had no real chance over the long run.

265 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 7:10:08am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Hitler needed the war to pay of all the debt he had incurred in rearming Germany. That is another one of those implausible “what-ifs” of history.

Other claim that Hitler would have won the war if he had only listened to his generals, but they were almost all against starting the war in the first place, they knew that Germany had no real chance over the long run.

It was more a case that his generals had planned things out so that the start to war would be no earlier than 1940, when they expected to have most of the infantry mechanized and the panzer units fitted out with PzKpfw IIIs and at full strength. Oddly enough, the Brits and French had much the same idea and didn’t expect war to happen any sooner than 1940, which is why they slow-walked their own rearmament programs.

266 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 7:11:09am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Hitler needed the war to pay of all the debt he had incurred in rearming Germany. That is another one of those implausible “what-ifs” of history.

Other claim that Hitler would have won the war if he had only listened to his generals, but they were almost all against starting the war in the first place, they knew that Germany had no real chance over the long run.

If they had devoted as many resources to winning the war as they did to murdering the Jews, they might have won the war.

267 Mattand  Jan 30, 2015 7:14:01am

re: #221 thedopefishlives

In our tae kwon do self-defense seminars, we’re taught that if they’re demanding our wallet or cell phone, it’s better to just hand it over rather than risk actual physical harm by engaging. It’s only if the assailant is attempting physical harm (a rapist) or attempting to coerce to leave the location of initial assault (chances of survival drop dramatically once you get taken away) that we are encouraged to defend ourselves.

A gym I used to belong to taught Gracie/Brazillian Ju-Jitsu. They were little cultish about it, but one thing that always impressed me was they had the same “Violence as a last resort” attitude.

268 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:15:22am

re: #205 darthstar

I have a plan that just might work:
1. Withdraw the soldiers and the bandits from the whole territory of Ukraine (as defined by the Ukrainian constitution).
2. Round up all the people responsible (starting with Putin and his whole junta) and send them to the Hague.
3. Get rid of the neo-fascist laws, media censorship and hold the democratic elections after a proper de-programming.
4. Start paying for all the material damage caused.

Then maybe ask for help from the international community.
But yeah, the I-P conflict will cease before this happens (i.e. never).

269 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 7:15:49am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

If they had devoted as many resources to winning the war as they did to murdering the Jews, they might have won the war.

If they had waited for the war to end before starting to murder en masse, it might have ended differently, too.

270 Archangelus  Jan 30, 2015 7:16:38am

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

France has been trying that. It hasn’t really worked.

And yet somehow Israel’s been doing more than fine on that respect, even with tons of genuine terrorism and war to deal with on multiple fronts throughout the years…

271 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:17:48am

re: #233 Dr. Matt

WTF is “IQ related issues”?

That means a VDARE/Bell Curve fan.

272 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:20:38am

re: #257 Dr. Matt

Mystery solved. Chuck always has 158 idiotic queefs inside.
TMI.

273 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 7:22:39am

Chuck is really 4 people:

274 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:25:20am

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

Chuck is one, but he also counts the IQ of his tapeworms as his own.

275 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 7:26:04am

re: #274 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Chuck is one, but he also counts the IQ of his tapeworms as his own.

Their IQ is higher than his…

276 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:27:07am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

Their IQ is higher than his…

Of course.

277 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:34:03am
278 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 7:34:32am

heh…

279 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 7:35:47am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Romney 3.0, now upgraded to Windows Millennium Edition.

280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 7:36:32am

re: #268 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I have a plan that just might work:
1. Withdraw the soldiers and the bandits from the whole territory of Ukraine (as defined by the Ukrainian constitution)….

There is the sticking point right there: Russia has been successful at determining (and covering up) which units are organized Russian army forces and which are “bandits” or “freedom fighters”.

And there is no way of telling if they are not willing to do so themselves, which they have no reason to do until they have achieved their goals.

Putin also has a 4-point plan:

Blame it on the Fascists

Blame it on the meddling West

Blame it on traitors from within

Blame it on gays, Jews, uncooperative oligarchs or anyone else he wants out of the way.

281 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 7:38:05am

Yes. We get it. He’s going to run again. Facing the same kind of opposition he did the last time - both inside his own party and the rest of the nation. He’s in no better position than he was 4 years ago.

The economy is doing much better than he ever considered. Obamacare hasn’t wrecked the economy. Uninsureds are down. Gas prices are down. GOP obstructionism has been a hit against the economy because infrastructure isn’t getting built. Dependency on oil is down (alt-energy is up), the GOP is still looking to gut environmental and conservation laws, and he thinks he’s the answer?

[side-eye]

282 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:39:25am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There’s no sticking point. Withdraw the regular troops and heavy weaponry, stop the weapons supplies and clean up your mess (i.e. the bandits you created).

283 b.d.  Jan 30, 2015 7:39:30am

FEEL THE MITTMENTUM!

284 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:40:32am

re: #281 lawhawk

He’s not the answer, but a lot more folks will think that there is zero difference between him and Clinton (not true, but try explaining that).

285 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2015 7:40:37am

re: #141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

That douchebag needs to take 2 hours off from tweeting and watch Trading Places.

286 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 30, 2015 7:41:06am

re: #260 lawhawk

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And not for the first time either.

Why do I have the feeling that the poor woman will trip and fall frequently?

287 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 7:41:24am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Yes. We get it. He’s going to run again. Facing the same kind of opposition he did the last time - both inside his own party and the rest of the nation. He’s in no better position than he was 4 years ago.

The economy is doing much better than he ever considered. Obamacare hasn’t wrecked the economy. Uninsureds are down. Gas prices are down. GOP obstructionism has been a hit against the economy because infrastructure isn’t getting built. Dependency on oil is down (alt-energy is up), the GOP is still looking to gut environmental and conservation laws, and he thinks he’s the answer?

[side-eye]

Of course. He’s prepared to go to the American people and say “Yeah, things are better, but if I’d been elected we’d be in the midst of a new golden age! See how wrong you peons were for not electing me?!”

288 b.d.  Jan 30, 2015 7:41:26am

Has the chorus of wingnuts chimed in on how they will never vote for Mitt?

Just exactly like they said last time?

289 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 7:41:28am

re: #282 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

There’s no sticking point. Withdraw the regular troops and heavy weaponry, stop the weapons supplies and clean up your mess (i.e. the bandits you created).

Russia still officially denies having anything to do with the “freedom fighters” beyond sending them “humantarian” aid

290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 30, 2015 7:41:40am

I can’t wait for Ayn Rand Paul’s presidential campaign and his promises to Audit The FED!!!!!!!1:

From Catherine Rampell at the Wash Post today:

It’s not exactly clear what problem the “Audit the Fed” acolytes are trying to fix, either.

The general consensus among economists is that, while the Fed should have taken concerns about credit bubbles more seriously in the lead-up to the 2008 financial crisis, the central bank’s creative and “unconventional” policy measures since then almost unilaterally saved us from a full-blown depression. Fed policy is also one of the main reasons our recovery has actually been substantially faster and stronger than those in every other postcrisis country.

All this was possible because the Fed had the courage, and importantly the independence, to act “unconventionally” even when critics — including Pauls both pere and fils — claimed that its controversial measures would lead to hyperinflation.

Also, about the “hyperinflation”: Today’s GDP shows no inflation from 3rd to 4th Q. None. Zero. Zippo. Nada.

But yes let’s “end the Fed” or “audit the Fed” because reasons.

washingtonpost.com

291 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:41:56am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Russia still officially denies having anything to do with the “freedom fighters” beyond sending them “humantarian” aid

Not sure what this has to do with what I wrote.

292 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 7:42:00am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Yes. We get it. He’s going to run again. Facing the same kind of opposition he did the last time - both inside his own party and the rest of the nation. He’s in no better position than he was 4 years ago.

The economy is doing much better than he ever considered. Obamacare hasn’t wrecked the economy. Uninsureds are down. Gas prices are down. GOP obstructionism has been a hit against the economy because infrastructure isn’t getting built. Dependency on oil is down (alt-energy is up), the GOP is still looking to gut environmental and conservation laws, and he thinks he’s the answer?

[side-eye]

Nixon won in 1968 after losing to JFK in 1960.

Hillary is a much weaker candidate than Obama.

293 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 7:42:23am

294 #FergusonFireside  Jan 30, 2015 7:42:30am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. The bottom finally dropped out of the temperature overnight, leaving us frost-coated and shivering for the weekend. For those of you who were following along with the saga of the fish nephew, that story can now be drawn to its conclusion; he passed away this morning. How go things among the lizardfolk on this seemingly black Friday?

Sorry Fishy & fam.

295 b.d.  Jan 30, 2015 7:42:44am

Things I learned early in life:

1.) People who tell you how smart they are usually aren’t.

296 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 30, 2015 7:44:18am

re:
#288

Has the chorus of wingnuts chimed in on how they will never vote for Mitt?

Depends. Will Mitt run as a “true conservative” this time? If he runs and wins, then he ran as a “true conservative” and all true conservatives voted for him. If he didn’t win, then he lost because he again didn’t run as a true conservative and all the true conservatives stayed home.
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297 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:45:03am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

Nixon won in 1968 after losing to JFK in 1960.

Hillary is a much weaker candidate than Obama.

Yes. More (manufactured) scandals, whereas with Mitt it has all been tested, and while some of it was supereffective (47%), all of it has lots its shock value. He’ll be seen as a “bland” but “stable” candidate, while Fox et al. will try to make a flaming commie out of Hillary.

298 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 7:45:05am

re: #296 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#288

Depends. Will Mitt run as a “true conservative” this time? If he runs and wins, then he ran as a “true conservative” and all true conservatives voted for him. If he didn’t win, then he lost because he again didn’t run as a true conservative and all the true conservatives stayed home.
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He will select a “true conservative” for VP.

299 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:46:14am

re: #297 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

And Bill’s legacy doesn’t help either. (Well, some of it does, but a lot doesn’t.)

300 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 7:46:15am

Morning.

I had a nice long comment and just now decided to kill it. It became pointless. Why? How can you make a rational point on such outlandish thinking.

All I will say is this whole gun thing in America is now deeply absurd. When you need to go to the kind of thinking that is the topic of this thread and make it law, then you have lost the plot.

Disgusting. This issue is gross. America is gross. Great countries are better than this.

301 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 7:46:17am

We are in sad shape if Mitt & Jeb as seen as the “most moderate” of the GOP, and Hillary is the only viable candidate for the Dems.

I’d rather see Joe Biden run than Hillary.

302 Snarknado!  Jan 30, 2015 7:46:21am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

Nixon won in 1968 after losing to JFK in 1960.

Hillary is a much weaker candidate than Obama.

Nixon was running against the status quo, in the face of Vietnam and unrest in the streets, against the (then) current Vice President. He didn’t need to be a strong candidate.

303 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 7:46:34am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

Nixon was VP for Eisenhower for 2 terms; barely lost to JFK in 1960. And it was an open race since LBJ didn’t run in 1968. Nixon had a superior CV to that of Romney, whose recent claim to fame is running for president in 2008 and tearing down a home in CA to build an even bigger one.

And for establishing the very program in MA that became the model for Obamacare (and that the GOP wants to dismantle, even though it’s working to reduce uninsureds).

304 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:47:57am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

He will select a “true conservative” for VP.

If he is nominated, then the choice of VP will probably decide the election (cf. Palin).

305 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 7:48:45am

Romney isn’t running. Didn’t see that coming.

After putting considerable thought into making another run for president, I’ve decided it is best to give other leaders in the Party the opportunity to become our next nominee.

306 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:49:10am

re: #305 lawhawk

Good.

307 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 7:50:28am

re: #305 lawhawk

Romney isn’t running. Didn’t see that coming.

So it’s Jeb.

308 De Kolta Chair  Jan 30, 2015 7:50:29am
309 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:50:37am

re: #305 lawhawk

Face, meet egg.

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Republican Mitt Romney on Friday will tell supporters he plans to seek the U.S. presidency for a third time in 2016, Bloomberg reported.

310 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 7:50:49am

re: #306 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Yeah, he probably saw he couldn’t get nominated because he wasn’t extreme enough for the rabid right.

311 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 7:51:01am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

Bush v. Clinton, “yay”.

312 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 30, 2015 7:52:38am

re:
#305

After seeing all my money people go to Jeb putting considerable thought into making another run for president, I’ve decided it is best to give other leaders in the Party the opportunity to become our next nominee.

313 Sionainn  Jan 30, 2015 7:53:03am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

So sorry to hear this sad news. My condolences to you and your family.

314 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 7:55:02am

So now it’s basically a race between Jeb and Cruz.

315 Dave In Austin  Jan 30, 2015 7:55:50am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Sorry for the loss…
{{{Fishes}}}

316 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 30, 2015 7:57:23am

re:
#214

Don’t forget Graham!!!!

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 7:58:16am

oooh…

In Texas in the months ahead, all of the very most alarming fundamental character flaws and harbingers you can possibly imagine, times 10, are going to be played out on national TV in an endless loop of lunacy. And this is going to be our contribution. Conservatives everywhere will watch in horror as we in Texas depict for them the ultimate extrapolation of all their own worst failings and faults.

We know this, don’t we? We all do. We know that it’s not just Sarah Palin. It’s the whole Koch Brothers campaign to co-opt the conservative movement and turn it into an imbeciles crusade, a street brawl against reality, a vast army of fools who can be made cannon-fodder for the uber-rich in their war on civilization.

If Sarah Palin is the canary in the coal mine, Texas is the bats. Here we come.

Texas Is Becoming the Sarah Palin of States, and not in the Good MILF-y Way

318 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 7:58:32am

re: #235 Rightwingconspirator

You need to learn the difference between “goal” and “consequence”.

319 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 30, 2015 7:59:16am

re:
#145

Very sorry to hear about the fish.

I have tried several times in the past few years to keep a pet snake, to no avail. It’s very difficult to see anything die.

320 thedopefishlives  Jan 30, 2015 7:59:16am

re: #305 lawhawk

Romney isn’t running. Didn’t see that coming.

Hmm. That’s interesting. Maybe the backlash over the whole poverty thing finally convinced him that he’s out of touch? …NAHHH

321 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 7:59:46am

re: #305 lawhawk

And if you read into the quoted bit about “new generation of leaders” that’s a direct jab at Jeb Bush. It may also be a jab at any of the other GOP pretenders who ran back in 2008 and lost to Mitt (Santorum, Perry, etc.)

Christie has to be doing the happy dance right now. So too is Cruz and Rubio.

322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 8:00:09am

re: #320 thedopefishlives

Hmm. That’s interesting. Maybe the backlash over the whole poverty thing finally convinced him that he’s out of touch? …NAHHH

He had a long talk with Jeb last week…I assume he secured himself a high cabinet post.

323 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 8:01:15am

re: #311 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Off topic to something we talked about yesterday, I bought Grim Fandango and installed in on my pc and mac.

So far no problems on either, and it’s just as good as I remember it.

324 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:01:16am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

LOL that was Satan speaking.

Faith-based jumpmaster.

325 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 8:02:09am

re: #321 lawhawk

And if you read into the quoted bit about “new generation of leaders” that’s a direct jab at Jeb Bush. It may also be a jab at any of the other GOP pretenders who ran back in 2008 and lost to Mitt (Santorum, Perry, etc.)

Christie has to be doing the happy dance right now. So too is Cruz and Rubio.

break dancing, perhaps?

326 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 8:03:34am

re: #323 Skip Intro

Cool!

327 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 8:03:43am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. The bottom finally dropped out of the temperature overnight, leaving us frost-coated and shivering for the weekend. For those of you who were following along with the saga of the fish nephew, that story can now be drawn to its conclusion; he passed away this morning. How go things among the lizardfolk on this seemingly black Friday?

Sorry to hear that dopefish.

328 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:04:16am

Shaping up to be a four man race in the GOP primaries: Jeb vs. Christie for the establishment vote, Cruz vs. Paul for the loony vote.

329 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:04:20am

re: #305 lawhawk

Romney isn’t running. Didn’t see that coming.

I’m honestly surprised.

330 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 8:04:23am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

oooh…

Texas Is Becoming the Sarah Palin of States, and not in the Good MILF-y Way

She is an idiot. She is a moron. She is an uneducated, ill-read and ill-informed person of atrocious taste and horrible conduct whose appalling hillbilly brood gets into drunken brawls in which people call each other fucking ****s in public.

Yup.

331 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:05:01am

re: #328 Targetpractice

Shaping up to be a four man race in the GOP primaries: Jeb vs. Christie for the establishment vote, Cruz vs. Paul for the loony vote.

Sounds about right. I’d say Jeb and Ted will be the final two.

332 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 8:05:22am

Despite disliking Clinton immensely in 2008 (to the point of losing all respect), I like her again now. One can’t pout forever ;) That said, I also understand why many would be dissatisfied with her.

333 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 30, 2015 8:05:37am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Yes. We get it. He’s going to run again. Facing the same kind of opposition he did the last time - both inside his own party and the rest of the nation. He’s in no better position than he was 4 years ago.

The economy is doing much better than he ever considered. Obamacare hasn’t wrecked the economy. Uninsureds are down. Gas prices are down. GOP obstructionism has been a hit against the economy because infrastructure isn’t getting built. Dependency on oil is down (alt-energy is up), the GOP is still looking to gut environmental and conservation laws, and he thinks he’s the answer?

[side-eye]

You know those things and I know those things. The voters don’t seem to know them and both Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell are glad that they don’t . If the voters had profound objections to GOP obstructionism or if they felt that ACA was worth fighting for then they sure have funny ways of showing it.

The U6 unemployment rate is still hovering around 11%. Oil prices will go back up as soon as producers stop over-producing. Neither of those things really matter because it’s perception that matters. If Romney is perceived by voters as the answer and our candidate is not then he’ll be elected. SCOTUS? Don’t bother. I don’t recall anyone campaigning on the crucial importance of nominations to the Supreme Court. At this point in time that issue is rendered moot for Democrats because no one who is one millimeter to the left Of Chief Justice Roberts will be confirmed by a Republican Senate.

334 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:05:55am

re: #332 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Despite disliking Clinton immensely in 2008 (to the point of losing all respect), I like her again now. One can’t pout forever ;) That said, I also understand why many would be dissatisfied with her.

I’ll support her if she’s the nominee but I will continue to argue here and elsewhere that there are better options.

335 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:07:11am

Rand Paul’s undoing will be not being hawkish enough for GOP voters. I expect that’s what his primary opponents will go after him on.

336 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 8:07:30am
337 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 8:07:38am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly surprised.

Maybe one of his advisers reminded him that people will want to see his tax returns again.

338 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:08:44am

re: #337 Skip Intro

Maybe one of his advisers reminded him that people will want to see his tax returns again.

Ha could be it. I am honestly glad he’s not running. The guy needs to get it through his head that no one outside his family really likes him.

339 Viscous Obama  Jan 30, 2015 8:09:20am

Mitt Romney didn’t even run right in 2012. Buggy programming, only worked 47% of the time.

340 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:09:24am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Yes. We get it. He’s going to run again. Facing the same kind of opposition he did the last time - both inside his own party and the rest of the nation. He’s in no better position than he was 4 years ago.

The economy is doing much better than he ever considered. Obamacare hasn’t wrecked the economy. Uninsureds are down. Gas prices are down. GOP obstructionism has been a hit against the economy because infrastructure isn’t getting built. Dependency on oil is down (alt-energy is up), the GOP is still looking to gut environmental and conservation laws, and he thinks he’s the answer?

[side-eye]

This time look for photos of Mitt in bib overalls plowing behind Rafalca, while Ann serves biscuits and gravy to their black farmhands in the shade.

341 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:10:49am

re: #340 Decatur Deb

This time look for photos of Mitt in bib overalls plowing behind Rafalca, while Ann serves biscuits and gravy to their black farmhands in the shade.

Never mind.

342 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 8:11:17am
343 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:11:23am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

Well, the Constitution does give us the right to keep and arm bears…

Self-defense is a human rights. Unless a person has the de jure right to defend one’s body, one is a slave.

344 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 8:11:26am

Invincible Man walks again.

George Zimmerman Assault Case Dropped After Ex-Girlfriend Recants Story

huffingtonpost.com

345 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:12:36am

re: #339 Viscous Obama

Mitt Romney didn’t even run right in 2012. Buggy programming, only worked 47% of the time.

The Hall of Presidents was more lifelike than Romney 2.0.

346 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:12:56am

re: #344 Skip Intro

Invincible Man walks again.

George Zimmerman Assault Case Dropped After Ex-Girlfriend Recants Story

huffingtonpost.com

What the fuck is it going to take? And of course the big Zimmerman supporter in my family says all of Zimmerman’s recent troubles involving acts of violence don’t change her mind at all about the verdict. La Sigh.

347 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:13:27am

re: #345 Targetpractice

The Halls of Presidents was more lifelike than Romney 2.0.

Romney 4.0 actually.

348 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 8:13:38am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

What the fuck is it going to take?

I really hope not another body.

349 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:13:48am

re: #344 Skip Intro

Invincible Man walks again.

George Zimmerman Assault Case Dropped After Ex-Girlfriend Recants Story

huffingtonpost.com

Third time he’s been charged with physical violence, and the third woman who’s accused him of such. Found out just a few moments ago that, unlike my earlier impression, this is not the same girlfriend who he went off on and then threw out of her own house while he hid inside until the police arrived.

350 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:14:16am

re: #348 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I really hope not another body.

That’s what I am afraid of. The guy is obviously a loose cannon.

351 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:14:20am

re: #290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I can’t wait for Ayn Rand Paul’s presidential campaign and his promises to Audit The FED!!!!!!!1:

From Catherine Rampell at the Wash Post today:

Also, about the “hyperinflation”: Today’s GDP shows no inflation from 3rd to 4th Q. None. Zero. Zippo. Nada.

But yes let’s “end the Fed” or “audit the Fed” because reasons.

washingtonpost.com

People don’t want to know how the global financial system works. It is complex and many layered. An audit would only confuse.

352 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 8:15:23am

A little more reading and a question that I have long had.

What good is body armor when you can just shoot someone in the head?

Don’t mean to be insensitive, I have always wondered about that. I know SWAT and military also wear the protective helmet…so in the case of the topic discussions…are we all going to have to go out in public dressed head to toe in armor?

Again…how absurd. I guess when the discussion about guns in America gets to “well then, wear armor” and you don’t immediately think “how about we don’t wear armor, we do something about why we need armor in the first place, you are way beyond real thinking.

(Sorry to be so behind…fast growing thread)

353 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:15:38am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

So it’s Jeb.

oy vey

354 bratwurst  Jan 30, 2015 8:15:41am

I guess Mitt Romney can now go back to peddling his I never REALLY wanted to be president line of bullshit.

355 Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2015 8:16:42am

re: #344 Skip Intro

Invincible Man walks again.

George Zimmerman Assault Case Dropped After Ex-Girlfriend Recants Story

huffingtonpost.com

Teflon…George? Any suggestions on a nickname?

356 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:17:18am

re: #354 bratwurst

I guess Mitt Romney can now go back to peddling his I never REALLY wanted to be president line of bullshit.

Yep. While the rest of us just laugh like Nelson Muntz at him since you know it kills him that he’s going to go down in history as the man who was actually stupid enough to put down nearly half the country in a presidential campaign. Enjoy retirement Mitt.

357 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 8:17:22am

Sarah Palin inadvertently becomes co-chair of Hillary PAC after disastrous Iowa speech raises $25K

Sarah Palin’s rambling, incoherent speech at Iowa’s Freedom Summit proved to be as profitable for a potential Hillary Clinton presidential run as it was detrimental to any future Palin political aspirations, with the former vice-presidential nominee inadvertently raising over $25,000 for a pro-Hillary PAC.

According to the Independent, the Ready for Hillary political action committee used a screen shot of Palin holding up a “I’m Ready for Hillary” car magnet during her speech in a tweet directing followers to the PAC website where they were encouraged to make a donation and get a car magnet of their own.

The comments section is hilarious.

358 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:17:59am

re: #354 bratwurst

I guess Mitt Romney can now go back to peddling his I never REALLY wanted to be president line of bullshit.

Ann wanted to be first lady

359 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:18:46am

re: #357 Dr. Matt

Sarah Palin inadvertently becomes co-chair of Hillary PAC after disastrous Iowa speech raises $25K

The comments section is hilarious.

But liberals are petrified of Palin don’t ya know? Well not for the reasons conservatives think, it’s just we wouldn’t want a lunatic like that with control of nuclear arms.

360 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:19:03am

re: #358 FemNaziBitch

Ann wanted to be first lady

Raffala wanted to be first horse too.

361 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 30, 2015 8:19:05am

gotnwes.com is back in the game. Swing by when you got a chance.

I’m in Hong Kong for three days, so I have full access to the Internetz. Trying to avoid Teh Twitter to keep my BP down.

362 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:19:10am

I have this fear in the pit of my stomach that the GOP is going to pull something worse than Sarah Palin from their hat. The rank n’ file will be so dazzled it will take them 2 years to realize they were duped.

363 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:20:11am

re: #362 FemNaziBitch

I have this fear in the pit of my stomach that the GOP is going to pull something worse than Sarah Palin from their hat. The rank n’ file will be so dazzled it will take them 2 years to realize they were duped.

Ewww Huckabee?

364 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 8:20:39am

re: #362 FemNaziBitch

I have this fear in the pit of my stomach that the GOP is going to pull something worse than Sarah Palin from their hat. The rank n’ file will be so dazzled it will take them 2 years to realize they were duped.

I have an even worse fear that GOP will win if Democrats can’t come up with anyone better than Hillary.

365 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 8:21:57am
366 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 8:21:58am

Have you ever hucked a bee? Try it. Huck a bee.

367 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 8:22:13am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

But liberals are petrified of Palin don’t ya know? Well not for the reasons conservatives think, it’s just we wouldn’t want a lunatic like that with control of nuclear arms.

I never understood the whole: “you liberals are petrified of ____________ [insert latest wingnut in the news”. Seriously, every time some nutball on the right states they plan on running for the president, the Left points and laughs, and the wingnuts claim we are afraid of them. What a strange and predictable idiocy.

368 darthstar  Jan 30, 2015 8:23:22am
369 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:24:24am

re: #367 Dr. Matt

I never understood the whole: “you liberals are petrified of ____________ [insert latest wingnut in the news”. Seriously, every time some nutball on the right states they plan on running for the president, the Left points and laughs, and the wingnuts claim we are afraid of them. What a strange and predictable idiocy.

I know. I remember when McCain first picked Palin, the cons I knew were saying the left was “petrified of her.” I gave her the initial bod but then she opened her mouth and showed herself to not only be an out of touch extremist but a nasty person as well. But yeah but then again conservatism these days is about “pissing off liberals” rather than actual policy so go figure.

370 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:24:51am

I hope the Romney employees check their credit cards.

371 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:25:59am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Romney 4.0 actually.

No, the number system is a bit confusing. Gov. Romney was Romney 1.0, the first iteration back when some liberalism in the software was acceptable.

Then came Romney 1.5 in 2008, with a lot of the same coding but a few tweaks, like butching himself to portray Obama as “weak” on foreign policy.

Then came Romney 2.0 in 2012, with almost all of the liberal routines stripped out and the values on the conservative ones cranked up to the max. Unfortunately, this had the side-effect that what had seemed like a congenial but bland candidate turned out to be a rich asshole who saw himself as preordained to the White House.

Apparently the Kickstarter campaign for 3.0 stalled, which is why we’re going to get Bush 3.1 instead.

372 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 8:26:00am
373 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 8:26:32am

re: #357 Dr. Matt

374 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:27:00am

re: #371 Targetpractice

No, the number system is a bit confusing. Gov. Romney was Romney 1.0, the first iteration back when some liberalism in the software was acceptable.

Then came Romney 1.5 in 2008, with a lot of the same coding but a few tweaks, like butching himself to portray Obama as “weak” on foreign policy.

Then came Romney 2.0 in 2012, with almost all of the liberal routines stripped out and the values on the conservative ones cranked up to the max. Unfortunately, this had the side-effect that what had seemed like a congenial but bland candidate turned out to be a rich asshole who saw himself as preordained to the White House.

Apparently the Kickstarter campaign for 3.0 stalled, which is why we’re going to get Bush 3.1 instead.

Ah okay but what about the Romney in ‘94 that ran against Ted Kennedy for senate. The one that tried to out lefty Teddy on LGBT issues and tried to run away from the social conservatism of Reagan and Bush I. Teddy had a great line on Mitt from that campaign- “I’m pro-choice, my opponent is multiple choice.”

375 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 8:28:19am

re: #373 Skip Intro

376 Mike Lamb  Jan 30, 2015 8:28:23am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

I have an even worse fear that GOP will win if Democrats can’t come up with anyone better than Hillary.

I think you dramatically underestimate Hillary as a candidate. There would be a lot of people that would be very excited to vote for her.

377 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:28:50am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

Ah okay but what about the Romney in ‘94 that ran against Ted Kennedy for senate. The one that tried to out lefty Teddy on LGBT issues and tried to run away from the social conservatism of Reagan and Bush I.

That was Romney Beta, which turned out to be a failure because it was impossible for him to be taken seriously as a Republican who was more liberal than Ted Kennedy.

378 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 8:29:18am

hahahahahahaaa!

379 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:29:34am

re: #377 Targetpractice

That was Romney Beta, which turned out to be a failure because it was impossible for him to be taken seriously as a Republican who was more liberal than Ted Kennedy.

Ah the prototype. It still had some of the features that the Romneybot has become famous for though.

380 #FergusonFireside  Jan 30, 2015 8:29:36am
381 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 8:29:39am

So Mitt is going to announce that he is running for President…today.

(Checks calendar)

Uh, isn’t announcing something on Friday considered a good way to get news out but unnoticed? And it is superbowl weekend, where all the country’s media has their attention.

Maybe Mitt really doesn’t want anyone to know.

382 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:29:42am
383 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 8:29:44am

re: #375 Dr. Matt

384 Eventual Carrion  Jan 30, 2015 8:30:00am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

So it’s Jeb.

Yep. A Bush vs Clinton election.

385 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:30:05am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

I have an even worse fear that GOP will win if Democrats can’t come up with anyone better than Hillary.

Bush vs. Clinton —redux

386 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 30, 2015 8:30:05am

re: #354 bratwurst

I guess Mitt Romney can now go back to peddling his I never REALLY wanted to be president line of bullshit.

Someone probably informed him that he could go buy a country somewhere cheaper than another questionable POTUS run would cost.
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387 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:30:38am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahaaa!

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Oh snap.

388 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:32:06am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

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This is why FNC is awful. Really it’s one thing that they’re partisan hacks. It’s another that they repeatedly put down people.Yeah Sullivan, bipolar is just a “fad” and made up. Fucker. FNC: News for douchebags.

389 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:32:37am

I’m so tired of many things, one of them is Code Pink.

390 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:32:40am

re: #385 FemNaziBitch

Bush vs. Clinton —redux

Don’t Stop Thinking about 1992.

391 De Kolta Chair  Jan 30, 2015 8:32:56am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahaaa!

Third times a charm!

392 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:33:05am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

This is why FNC is awful. Really it’s one thing that they’re partisan hacks. It’s another that they repeatedly put down people.Yeah Sullivan, bipolar is just a “fad” and made up. Fucker. FNC: News for douchebags.

I thought maybe they were shilling for Scientology.

393 Eventual Carrion  Jan 30, 2015 8:33:10am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He had a long talk with Jeb last week…I assume he secured himself a high cabinet post.

Or VP promise.

394 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:33:44am

Imagine that?

395 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 30, 2015 8:33:49am

re: #342 lawhawk

Bomb attack at Pakistani mosque kills over 60: officials

Remember that Moslems are still the chief victims of Islamist terror

396 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:33:50am

re: #376 Mike Lamb

I think you dramatically underestimate Hillary as a candidate. There would be a lot of people that would be very excited to vote for her.

Will vote, donate and work for her. I don’t call it ‘enthusiasm’, just abject terror of the TPGOP, with a touch of craving for revenge over Obama’s treatment.

397 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:34:10am

re: #392 FemNaziBitch

I thought maybe they were shilling for Scientology.

I dunno. I think it fits in with their narrative of putting down the downtrodden whether that person is suffering from mental illness or impoverished.

398 EmmaAnne  Jan 30, 2015 8:34:13am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I’ll support her if she’s the nominee but I will continue to argue here and elsewhere that there are better options.

(1) I like Hillary and think she would be a good candidate. Yeah, her campaign said and did some crap in 2008, but it was a campaign.

(2) I am open to better options, but so far I haven’t heard any. I like Biden a lot - he’s funny and genial - but he isn’t presidential.

399 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:36:35am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think it fits in with their narrative of putting down the downtrodden whether that person is suffering from mental illness or impoverished.

Survival of the Fittest isn’t Evolution it’s the American Way!

400 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:36:39am

re: #398 EmmaAnne

(1) I like Hillary and think she would be a good candidate. Yeah, her campaign said and did some crap in 2008, but it was a campaign.

(2) I am open to better options, but so far I haven’t heard any. I like Biden a lot - he’s funny and genial - but he isn’t presidential.

Fair enough. People are going to disagree. I just want to hear from her more about what she’s about. I think Biden would be perfect if he were younger and a little more conventional.

401 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2015 8:36:39am

re: #391 De Kolta Chair

402 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 8:37:01am

re: #342 lawhawk

Bomb attack at Pakistani mosque kills over 60: officials u.afp.com

I wonder how much someone like a FOX News is going to mention this bombing since it was against Muslims?

Hmmm. They will mention it, but they won’t mention the context.

403 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:37:05am
404 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:37:49am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Fair enough. People are going to disagree. I just want to hear from her more about what she’s about. I think Biden would be perfect if he were younger and a little more conventional.

We don’t get ‘ifs’, or I’d have Warren.

405 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:37:52am

re: #402 ObserverArt

I wonder how much someone like a FOX News is going to mention this bombing since it was against Muslims?

Hmmm. They will mention it, but they won’t mention the context.

These people respect no one, not even their own kind!!!

406 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:38:39am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

We don’t get ‘ifs’, or I’d have Warren.

I know but she did bring up Biden. I like Warren but I like her better as a legislator than executive.

407 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:38:45am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

We don’t get ‘ifs’, or I’d have Warren.

I’m still not sure about Warren. She is proven in all areas the way Hillary is. I’d like Warren to stay in Congress where she can do the most damage with her chosen issues.

408 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:39:50am
409 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:39:54am

re: #407 FemNaziBitch

I’m still not sure about Warren. She is proven in all areas the way Hillary is. I’d like Warren to stay in Congress where she can do the most damage with her chosen issues.

Yeah. By the time she’s seasoned, she’ll be running against the calendar.

410 Archangelus  Jan 30, 2015 8:40:12am

re: #389 FemNaziBitch

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I’m so tired of many things, one of them is Code Pink.

You’re nowhere near alone. They’re a disgrace and embarrassment to the American Left in particular and the American nation and the world in general..

411 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 8:41:00am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

What the fuck is it going to take? And of course the big Zimmerman supporter in my family says all of Zimmerman’s recent troubles involving acts of violence don’t change her mind at all about the verdict. La Sigh.

It will take Zimmerman being in jail for a good while so the women will feel less threatened by him and then they can really let the police know what happened.

That is why they drop charges…they know the turds reputation and what he is capable of. As long as he is around they are intimidated.

I wonder if the women stay in the area once they go through all this, or move about a thousand miles away late in the night with instructions to friends and family not to let anyone know where they are.

412 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:42:03am

re: #409 Decatur Deb

Yeah. By the time she’s seasoned, she’ll be running against the calendar.

It is unfortunate that she got into politics at such a late age. She’s great though. I’d love to see more Democrats like her out there who define themselves by what they’re for rather than just not being the Republican.

413 Sionainn  Jan 30, 2015 8:42:26am

re: #376 Mike Lamb

I think you dramatically underestimate Hillary as a candidate. There would be a lot of people that would be very excited to vote for her.

I’m not one of them. I’d hold my nose and do it, but I wouldn’t be happy about it.

414 A Cranky One  Jan 30, 2015 8:43:25am

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Sorry for your loss. Best wishes to the entire family.

416 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 8:44:02am

re: #361 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

gotnwes.com is back in the game. Swing by when you got a chance.

I’m in Hong Kong for three days, so I have full access to the Internetz. Trying to avoid Teh Twitter to keep my BP down.

Sadly…today reading LGF is raising mine.

417 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:44:22am

re: #413 Sionainn

I’m not one of them. I’d hold my nose and do it, but I wouldn’t be happy about it.

You only have to think of President Cruz filling his cabinet and 4 Supreme Court seats.

418 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:44:55am

It is interesting though. Hillary is taking the old Jefferson-Madison-Quincy Adams route to the presidency via the Secretary of State position. I think Hillary is a very intelligent and capable enough candidate but at the same time, I want to see her out there defining herself on key issues. I know people have strong opinions about her either way but that’s one way that she would improve her standing in my eyes.

419 Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2015 8:44:58am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Perhaps this had something to do with it.

Rupert Murdoch, the man who runs the media conglomerate that includes Fox News, came out on Tuesday against a potential 2016 presidential bid by onetime GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

420 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 8:45:03am

Here are some Democrats to keep an eye on, but I don’t think any of them are ready to go against Hillary. 2020 maybe.

Kirsten Gillibrand
Cory Booker
Julian Castro
Gary Peters

421 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:45:32am
422 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:45:53am

re: #414 A Cranky One

Sorry for your loss. Best wishes to the entire family.

Second that. Sorry for your loss Fish. A terrible thing for any family to endure.

423 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:47:16am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

Here are some Democrats to keep an eye on, but I don’t think any of them are ready to go against Hillary. 2020 maybe.

Kirsten Gillibrand
Cory Booker
Julian Castro
Gary Peters

I was really impressed with Booker when I saw him on the Nightly Sohw. I like your list. Don’t know much about Peters though outside the fact he’s from Michigan.

424 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:48:19am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

Here are some Democrats to keep an eye on, but I don’t think any of them are ready to go against Hillary. 2020 maybe.

Kirsten Gillibrand
Cory Booker
Julian Castro
Gary Peters

It’s good they’re coming along. So are Al Franken and Rahm Emanuel.

425 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 8:48:51am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

I was really impressed with Booker when I saw him on the Nightly Sohw. I like your list. Don’t know much about Peters though outside the fact he’s from Michigan.

Peters won in spite of a concentrated Koch-funded smear campaign, and he allowed POTUS to campaign for him.

426 EmmaAnne  Jan 30, 2015 8:50:04am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

Here are some Democrats to keep an eye on, but I don’t think any of them are ready to go against Hillary. 2020 maybe.

Kirsten Gillibrand
Cory Booker
Julian Castro
Gary Peters

If it is Hillary, she’ll want a nice safe middle aged white guy for VP. I haven’t heard much about Gary Peters, but he looks the part …

427 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:50:08am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

I was really impressed with Booker when I saw him on the Nightly Sohw. I like your list. Don’t know much about Peters though outside the fact he’s from Michigan.

Cory Booker is not pro-choice. He’s waffled and weaved too much on this issue, IIRC.

428 Sionainn  Jan 30, 2015 8:50:11am

re: #417 Decatur Deb

You only have to think of President Cruz filling his cabinet and 4 Supreme Court seats.

That’s why I’d vote for her. I just think Hillary as president would bring the same old Clinton nonsense that we had to live through under her husband’s presidency. It’s been bad enough under Obama and it wouldn’t get any better with Hillary.

429 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:50:13am

I like Tim Kaine as someone with a future for the party nationally. He was someone that was vetted for Obama’s running mate spot and I think fairly progressive minded for a Southerner. I like him more than I do Warner. Not sure how our other Virginians feel. Saw that Jim Webb was contemplating a run. Not a huge fan of his though he has talked about some issues that should be talked more about i.e. criminal justice reform.

430 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:50:47am

re: #425 The Vicious Babushka

Peters won in spite of a concentrated Koch-funded smear campaign, and he allowed POTUS to campaign for him.

Cool deal. What are some of his pet issues out of curiously? I looked at his biography on wiki. Sounds like an interesting guy.

431 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:51:01am

I’m partial to Cory Booker, primarily because he’s given the impression that he’s a man who’s not only dedicated to doing the best by the voters, but also being a “man of the people” rather than putting up barriers between him and them. He doesn’t come off as phony when he makes a public appearance.

432 A Cranky One  Jan 30, 2015 8:51:02am

re: #424 Decatur Deb

It’s good they’re coming along. So are Al Franken and Rahm Emanuel.

Rahm isn’t getting a lot of positive attention as Mayor of Chicago. Probably not helping any further ambitions.

433 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:51:49am

re: #428 Sionainn

That’s why I’d vote for her. I just think Hillary as president would bring the same old Clinton nonsense that we had to live through under her husband’s presidency. It’s been bad enough under Obama and it wouldn’t get any better with Hillary.

There’s no scientific basis for it, but I have this fond hope that a Hillary win will finally break the bastards.

434 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:52:16am

re: #429 HappyWarrior

I like Tim Kaine as someone with a future for the party nationally. He was someone that was vetted for Obama’s running mate spot and I think fairly progressive minded for a Southerner. I like him more than I do Warner. Not sure how our other Virginians feel. Saw that Jim Webb was contemplating a run. Not a huge fan of his though he has talked about some issues that should be talked more about i.e. criminal justice reform.

I’m not too wild on Warner, but I admit that’s partly because I’m still nursing a grudge over last night’s Keystone vote.

435 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:52:21am

re: #428 Sionainn

That’s why I’d vote for her. I just think Hillary as president would bring the same old Clinton nonsense that we had to live through under her husband’s presidency. It’s been bad enough under Obama and it wouldn’t get any better with Hillary.

It could actually get worse. But yeah that’s one of the reasons why I’m wary of her candidacy too. It just feels like we’d be rehashing the 90’s with all the right wing crazy about the Clintons this and the Clintons that.

436 Sionainn  Jan 30, 2015 8:52:34am

re: #433 Decatur Deb

There’s no scientific basis for it, but I have this fond hope that a Hillary win will finally break the bastards.

LOL. That would be fantastic.

437 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 8:52:38am

re: #389 FemNaziBitch

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I’m so tired of many things, one of them is Code Pink.

They are crude, but as long as it gets to last I am glad they do get to do what they do without being taken out back of the Capitol and shot.

I get the feeling some people in this country are all for the shooting of any protester. Like John McCain, and half the populations of Texas, Arizona, Florida, Arkansas and a few other states.

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438 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:53:02am

re: #434 Targetpractice

I’m not too wild on Warner, but I admit that’s partly because I’m still nursing a grudge over last night’s Keystone vote.

yeah I saw that. I was disappointed yet not surprised by that.

439 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:53:31am

re: #432 A Cranky One

Rahm isn’t getting a lot of positive attention as Mayor of Chicago. Probably not helping any further ambitions.

“No Attention” is a career builder for Chicago mayors. I want him just for his knee-breaking skills.

440 EmmaAnne  Jan 30, 2015 8:54:38am

re: #428 Sionainn

That’s why I’d vote for her. I just think Hillary as president would bring the same old Clinton nonsense that we had to live through under her husband’s presidency. It’s been bad enough under Obama and it wouldn’t get any better with Hillary.

I’m not actually sold on this. From my observations, the Republicans will turn any Democrat’s candidacy and term into a circus, so it really isn’t a useful factor in the decision. Obama was supposed to be the choice that would avoid the hatred and scandals and overwrought opposition, and despite him conducting himself in the most exemplary manner of any president I’ve ever seen, it didn’t even slow them down.

441 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:55:14am

What I want to see are more young guns out of the Democratic Party. Yes all the Republican candidates sound like old white men with the same ideas we’ve heard a thousand times but with the exception of Jeb, they’re all fairly young too. I think it does the Democratic Party a lot of good to be the party of the future with youthful people as key parts of that. That’s one reason why I’m for a shakeup in Congressoinal leadership. Reid and Pelosi are both over 70 and have been in their offices since the 80’s.

442 lawhawk  Jan 30, 2015 8:55:48am

re: #398 EmmaAnne

I participated in a Quinnipiac Poll earlier this month, and they ran through the presidential campaign of 2016 - potential candidates and matchups.

Of the choices offered for the Democrats, I said Warren, but their matchups with GOPers offered only Hillary versus __GOP__. Picked Hillary over every single possible GOPer, from Jeb to Carson to Christie to Romney to Paul.

It’s not that I like Clinton, it’s just that I dislike all the GOP alternatives even more. No one is particularly engaging at this point, and the Democrats are still trying to size things up with Hillary being the presumptive front runner even though she hasn’t declared.

443 EmmaAnne  Jan 30, 2015 8:55:52am

re: #434 Targetpractice

I’m not too wild on Warner, but I admit that’s partly because I’m still nursing a grudge over last night’s Keystone vote.

Colorado’s Democratic Senator voted for it too. Scared after Udall lost I guess. :-(

444 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2015 8:56:14am

If (when) Hillary gets the nomination it will be nonstop BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI HURR HURR MONICA!!!1!!!!1!!! until everyone dies from prolonged projectile vomiting.

445 Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2015 8:56:24am

I’ve never totally bought into the whole “inevitability” of Hillary as the nominee. I remember a lot of people saying the same thing in ‘08, that there was no way that Obama could hope to seriously challenge her and the “Clinton Campaign Machine” was simply too strong to be overcome.

There’s other Democrats out there with the skills and the experience to challenge her, it just takes people being willing to support them rather than buying into the “inevitability.”

446 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:56:45am

re: #443 EmmaAnne

Colorado’s Democratic Senator voted for it too. Scared after Udall lost I guess. :-(

That was definitely Warner’s motivation. He won but it was a lot closer than anyone thought it would be. Sad to say, Gillespie with a little more national R money could have won.

447 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 8:57:47am

re: #445 Targetpractice

I’ve never totally bought into the whole “inevitability” of Hillary as the nominee. I remember a lot of people saying the same thing in ‘08, that there was no way that Obama could hope to seriously challenge her and the “Clinton Campaign Machine” was simply too strong to be overcome.

There’s other Democrats out there with the skills and the experience to challenge her, it just takes people being willing to support them rather than buying into the “inevitability.”

I’m not supporting anyone for the primary—not paying Democrats to slit each other’s throats for the TPGOP.

448 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:58:38am
449 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 8:59:18am

re: #448 FemNaziBitch

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From the makers of the Romneybot!

450 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 8:59:56am

re: #448 FemNaziBitch

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Never mind, I always get him confused with Cory Booker.

451 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 9:00:30am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

I sure hope it’s not Booker.

(CBS News) Newark Mayor Cory Booker, a rising political star and a surrogate for President Obama’s re-election campaign, criticized the president’s re-election team on Sunday for its negative ads focusing on Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital, calling them “nauseating” — just one day before the Obama team rolled out its second round of Bain attacks.

cbsnews.com

452 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 9:01:32am

re: #451 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I sure hope it’s not Booker.

cbsnews.com

I didn’t like that either but I still like the guy.

453 Dr. Matt  Jan 30, 2015 9:01:34am

re: #433 Decatur Deb

There’s no scientific basis for it, but I have this fond hope that a Hillary win will finally break the bastards.

16 straight years of Democratic Party Presidents: 8 of which were with a Blah guy and 8 of which were with a non-male person who possesses a vajayjay. I think the GOP would be permanently castrated.

454 FemNaziBitch  Jan 30, 2015 9:01:49am

bbl

455 ObserverArt  Jan 30, 2015 9:02:02am

re: #434 Targetpractice

I’m not too wild on Warner, but I admit that’s partly because I’m still nursing a grudge over last night’s Keystone vote.

re: #443 EmmaAnne

Colorado’s Democratic Senator voted for it too. Scared after Udall lost I guess. :-(

Is there any chance they voted to look good in their states under the cover knowing that it will be vetoed by President Obama?

If it does get vetoed and comes back around again for an override…then their votes will really matter.

456 Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2015 9:03:57am

re: #453 Dr. Matt

16 straight years of Democratic Party Presidents: 8 of which were with a Blah guy and 8 of which were with a non-male person who possesses a vajayjay. I think the GOP would be permanently castrated.

Hillary/Franken 2016.

457 Ace-o-aces  Jan 30, 2015 9:04:30am

re: #389 FemNaziBitch

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I’m so tired of many things, one of them is Code Pink.

I’m tired of Kissinger getting to be a respected elder statesman rather than a shunned pariah. But I agree, it’s not clear what Code Pink thinks they’re achieving with these demonstrations.

458 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 9:04:59am

re: #457 Ace-o-aces

I’m tired of Kissinger getting to be a respected elder statesman rather than a shunned pariah. But I agree, it’s not clear what Code Pink thinks they’re achieving with these demonstrations.

Yes, this.

459 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 9:05:33am

re: #456 Decatur Deb

Hillary/Franken 2016.

Get younger at VP. Plus I think Al’s better off in the Senate anyhow.

460 EmmaAnne  Jan 30, 2015 9:07:18am

re: #445 Targetpractice

I’ve never totally bought into the whole “inevitability” of Hillary as the nominee. I remember a lot of people saying the same thing in ‘08, that there was no way that Obama could hope to seriously challenge her and the “Clinton Campaign Machine” was simply too strong to be overcome.

There’s other Democrats out there with the skills and the experience to challenge her, it just takes people being willing to support them rather than buying into the “inevitability.”

I don’t buy “inevitability” either. My mind is open to any candidate who can prove themselves. Obama did it. I just have seen any so far. Well, I’ve never seen anyone as good as Obama, but you know what I mean.

461 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 30, 2015 9:07:59am

re: #458 HappyWarrior

I don’t like Code Pink, like, at all. But if these actions annoy the likes of Kissinger and bring up the forgotten historical issues, why not.

462 Ace-o-aces  Jan 30, 2015 9:09:09am

re: #342 lawhawk

463 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 9:09:32am

re: #461 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I don’t like Code Pink, like, at all. But if these actions annoy the likes of Kissinger and bring up the forgotten historical issues, why not.

People definitely do need to know that Kissinger’s more than just a guy with a deep German accent and the architect of some very fucked up foreign policy initiatives. I am glad enough hell was raised when Bush appointed him to chair the 9/11 commission that Bush had to replace him with Gov Kean.

464 Romantic Heretic  Jan 30, 2015 9:10:00am

re: #352 ObserverArt

A little more reading and a question that I have long had.

What good is body armor when you can just shoot someone in the head?

Don’t mean to be insensitive, I have always wondered about that. I know SWAT and military also wear the protective helmet…so in the case of the topic discussions…are we all going to have to go out in public dressed head to toe in armor?

Again…how absurd. I guess when the discussion about guns in America gets to “well then, wear armor” and you don’t immediately think “how about we don’t wear armor, we do something about why we need armor in the first place, you are way beyond real thinking.

(Sorry to be so behind…fast growing thread)

Shooting someone in the head is a great deal more difficult than the movies would have you believe, nor is it the sure kill they portray. The head is a very small target.

The spot for an instant kill, the spinal cord, is infinitesimal in size. The quick kills, the arteries in the neck, likewise. A hit in the brain might or might not kill instantly, or even cause much debilitation. The skull is very hard and a small calibre pistol bullet might not penetrate. Nor is it certain a small calibre pistol bullet would do massive damage to the brain.

A bullet that would destroy the brain in a single shot would have to be very big and/or very fast (Energy=1/2 mass times velocity squared). Both make accurate aiming difficult.

So, center of mass when firing weapons in combat. Body armour covers that area.

465 EmmaAnne  Jan 30, 2015 9:11:43am

re: #455 ObserverArt

Is there any chance they voted to look good in their states under the cover knowing that it will be vetoed by President Obama?

If it does get vetoed and comes back around again for an override…then their votes will really matter.

Yes, I think that is absolutely what Bennett did. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was with the leadership’s quiet blessing. Demonstrate independence in an energy producing state and all that. Bleh, politics.

467 Romantic Heretic  Jan 30, 2015 9:14:59am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think it fits in with their narrative of putting down the downtrodden whether that person is suffering from mental illness or impoverished.

Because both are choices. If mental illness or poverty were not choices then America wouldn’t be free.

Or so their alleged thinking goes.

468 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 9:17:13am

re: #466 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Oh, that’s why.

Bain and Financial Industry Gave Over $565,000 To Newark Mayor Cory Booker For 2002 Campaign

Agh no wonder. I thought he was just MBFing.

469 Ace-o-aces  Jan 30, 2015 9:17:14am

Great, nowadays even ranting about how Jews are all Christ killers can’t keep a white man off Fox.

470 HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2015 9:17:53am

re: #469 Ace-o-aces

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Great, nowadays even ranting about how Jews are all Christ killers can’t keep a white man off Fox.

Perhaps we can have Mel GIbson and his father on too.

471 Eventual Carrion  Jan 30, 2015 9:22:29am
472 Eventual Carrion  Jan 30, 2015 9:27:21am

re: #437 ObserverArt

They are crude, but as long as it gets to last I am glad they do get to do what they do without being taken out back of the Capitol and shot.

I get the feeling some people in this country are all for the shooting of any protester. Like John McCain, and half the populations of Texas, Arizona, Florida, Arkansas and a few other states.

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Protesters they don’t agree with. Those that want the government to keep its hands off Medicare or take their country back, they should be allowed to protest.

473 Ace-o-aces  Jan 30, 2015 9:33:59am

For those who don’t know, it’s a movie promoting geocentricism. In 2015.

474 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 30, 2015 9:40:25am

re: #428 Sionainn

That’s why I’d vote for her. I just think Hillary as president would bring the same old Clinton nonsense that we had to live through under her husband’s presidency. It’s been bad enough under Obama and it wouldn’t get any better with Hillary.

It probably won’t get any better under *any* Democrat elected President. Too much outrage and emotional capital invested in the hate-fest.
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475 Eventual Carrion  Jan 30, 2015 9:46:19am

re: #473 Ace-o-aces

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For those who don’t know, it’s a movie promoting geocentricism. In 2015.

Well, as long as the moon keeps shining.

476 BlueGrl21  Jan 30, 2015 12:59:46pm

Newsflash: Teachers in Texas can already do that if they fear for their lives. So can any citizen of this state. Plus, there are already officers on every high school campus. There is no need for this bill. It’s just a political stunt.

Most teachers simply do not think of killing their students for any reason. That’s not where their minds go. Those are their KIDS, even the violent ones, even the damaged ones.

Now, I will say this…some teachers are scared of their students. If there’s a fight they leave the room and leave the other students in there to deal with it while they go look for an officer or another teacher that will intervene. If a kid gets belligerent in class they let it escalate. They simply will not back some of those kids down. But it’s a funny thing…I’ve seen some of my husband’s tiny female colleagues who can give one glare and any nonsense STOPS. They’re more cowed by the Mom Glare than a campus police officer.

It’s a vanity law. Teachers can already protect themselves if needed.

477 Great White Snark  Jan 30, 2015 3:21:51pm

re: #318 Skip Intro

You need to learn the difference between “goal” and “consequence”.

I’ll stick with my already clear understanding of the differences between your overstatements and hyperbolics and what anyone actually says.

478 socrets  Feb 1, 2015 1:04:26pm

I’m just gonna call it early for the next article about this law when a student is actually shot and killed: not about race, obviously.


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