Obama Urges Parents to Vaccinate Kids, Chris Christie Says It’s a “Choice”

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Now that President Obama has strongly urged parents to have their children vaccinated, you can expect the right wing to go full-on anti-vaccination and pro-measles.

And the first out of the gate with this dangerous pandering is none other than Chris Christie.

Mr. Christie, when asked about the connection between the new measles cases and parents who object to the long-recommended vaccine against it, said that he and his wife had vaccinated their four children. He called that “the best expression I can give you of my opinion.”

But he added: “It’s more important what you think as a parent than what you think as a public official. I also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice in things as well. So that’s the balance that the government has to decide.”

Mr. Christie said that “not every vaccine is created equal, and not every disease type is as great a public health threat as others.”

Amazing. So Republicans want women to be able to choose whether to vaccinate their children or not, but not to be able to choose what to do with their own bodies.

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1 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:12:33am

This is really typical unfortunately and just as I predicted Obama coming out in favor strongly in favor of vaccinations has made Christie and the other contenders inclined to do the total opposite. Can’t wait to see what Christie says if Obama ever comes out and says vocally that clean air and water should be a thing because we don’t want that do we and great point about choice too. These guys are nothing but pandering hypocrites.

2 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 10:16:45am

Pro-life. “Every virus is sacred.”

3 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 2, 2015 10:20:17am

So yeah. They are finally pro-choice, but about the wrong thing. This “choice” has the very large possibility of causing a lot of families (with children!) much suffering. Mumps. Chicken pox. Flu. Polio etc. Apparently, they have no problem letting kids suffer and die from disease. But if they are a zygote, they will try to move Hell and high water to protect them.

Sick, ignorant fucks.

4 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 10:20:48am
“It’s more important what you think as a parent than what you think as a public official.

Let me cut you off there, Chris, because that single sentence should be all people need to realize you’re either A) pandering or B) dangerously stupid. What you think as a parent is immaterial to your job, which is to represent more than just the cult of anti-scientific morons who think their precious little snowflakes are better served by going through life vulnerable to diseases that can sterilize them, paralyze them, or kill them.

You have a duty as a public servant to put the safety and good health of millions of children that live within the borders of your state above your personal opinion as a parent. If you can’t do that, then you either need to resign or you need to appoint someone whose job it is to smack you any time you try this folksy “I’m one of you” schtick.

5 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 10:21:10am

re: #2 Decatur Deb

Pro-life. “Every virus is sacred.”

Every virus is sacred.
Every virus is great.
If a political opportunity is wasted,
Chris Christie gets quite irate.

6 withak  Feb 2, 2015 10:21:43am

I recently got in an argument on Facebook with a friend-of-a-friend about the anti-vaxx stupidity. I knew it was pointless going in, and that was confirmed by his eventual defense of homeopathy and other forms of quackery. That’s the kind of learned ignorance the scientific community is up against, similar to what you see with the climate change deniers.

Also, it seems to me that calling them “anti-vaxx” does those on the pro- side a disservice. “Anti-” implies that both “sides” are on equal footing about the issue. Better to call them “pro-pandemic” or similar.

7 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 10:22:05am

Expect to see the BUT OBAMA WAZ ANTI-VAXX TOO!!!! defense from conservatives now.

The difference being that Obama has obviously changed his opinon based on the facts, while Christie is still pandering to the base.

8 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 10:23:01am

So it looks like the rapture is going to come in the form of a preventable disease.

Whatever wingnuts, glad I’m going to be left behind.

9 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 10:23:03am

Newest Fake Outrage: wingnuts are all HURR HURR OBAMA SAID HE’S TEH FIRST POTUS TO MAKE BEER IN THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON. BUT WASHINGTON NEVER LIVED IN TEH WHITE HOUSE!!!!! STUPID LIBTARDS!!!!!!

10 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:23:57am

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

Newest Fake Outrage: wingnuts are all HURR HURR OBAMA SAID HE’S TEH FIRST POTUS TO MAKE BEER IN THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON. BUT WASHINGTON NEVER LIVED IN TEH WHITE HOUSE!!!!! STUPID LIBTARDS!!!!!!

Oh get a fucking hobby wingnuts. Might I suggest masterbaiting. It’s more healthy than raging about everything Obama says or does.

11 KerFuFFler  Feb 2, 2015 10:25:23am

Off topic but I am really excited about my first attempt to make pastrami lox from fresh salmon. I read several recipes online and then cobbled together my own version. I just drained off some of the liquid that had oozed out overnight and it is starting to smell like the amazing pastrami lox I enjoyed in NYC——-from Russ and Daughters. I would never have guessed that coriander seeds are one of the main spices that give pastrami its distinctive flavor and aroma.

Waiting the curing process out is gonna be murder….

12 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:26:46am

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

Expect to see the BUT OBAMA WAZ ANTI-VAXX TOO!!!! defense from conservatives now.

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The difference being that Obama has obviously changed his opinon based on the facts, while Christie is still pandering to the base.

Well if he did, he was wrong to have done that. The difference is yes he’s changed his opinion based on facts while Christie still does it and seriously “But he did it too mommy”? Really conservatives? Please go back two spaces and repeat the third grade.

13 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 10:30:26am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Well if he did, he was wrong to have done that. The difference is yes he’s changed his opinion based on facts while Christie still does it and seriously “But he did it too mommy”? Really conservatives? Please go back two spaces and repeat the third grade.

Wingnuts believe that if you ever held one opinion at one time, and then changed your mind, YOUR A LYING LIAR WHO TELLS LIES ALL TEH TIME!!!!! INPEECH!!!!!!

14 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:31:17am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts believe that if you ever held one opinion at one time, and then changed your mind, YOUR A LYING LIAR WHO TELLS LIES ALL TEH TIME!!!!! INPEECH!!!!!!

Only if you’re a liberal Democrat of course. They had no problem with Mitt changing his stance on multiple issues within the same day even often if it meant Mitt would beat Obama.

15 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 10:31:41am

Being anti-vax should require parents that don’t vaccinate to keep their kids quarantined from everyone else. Period. The rest of the public shouldn’t be at risk just because you think your kid is a special snowflake.

16 retired cynic  Feb 2, 2015 10:32:03am

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

Newest Fake Outrage: wingnuts are all HURR HURR OBAMA SAID HE’S TEH FIRST POTUS TO MAKE BEER IN THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON. BUT WASHINGTON NEVER LIVED IN TEH WHITE HOUSE!!!!! STUPID LIBTARDS!!!!!!

Washington lived in a White House.

17 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 10:32:06am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts believe that if you ever held one opinion at one time, and then changed your mind, YOUR A LYING LIAR WHO TELLS LIES ALL TEH TIME!!!!! INPEECH!!!!!!

Like all those scientists who get everything wrong and have to change their minds.

18 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:32:54am

re: #17 b_sharp

Like all those scientists who get everything wrong and have to change their minds.

They lied about their hypothesis since their hypothesis was wrong!

19 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 10:33:01am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Oh get a fucking hobby wingnuts. Might I suggest masterbaiting. It’s more healthy than raging about everything Obama says or does.

Can’t…every sperm is sacred!

: )

20 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:34:02am

re: #19 ObserverArt

Can’t…every sperm is sacred!

: )

Stamp collecting then. Really anything’s more healthy than flipping out over anything Obama says or does.

21 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 10:35:04am

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

Expect to see the BUT OBAMA WAZ ANTI-VAXX TOO!!!! defense from conservatives now.

[Embedded content]

The difference being that Obama has obviously changed his opinon based on the facts, while Christie is still pandering to the base.

See, this is why I don’t usually read Vox. Calling this “pandering” is ridiculous; in 2008 Andrew Wakefield’s study hadn’t yet been proven fraudulent. There was at least some rational basis for caution at that point.

22 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 10:35:53am
23 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 10:35:54am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts believe that if you ever held one opinion at one time, and then changed your mind, YOUR A LYING LIAR WHO TELLS LIES ALL TEH TIME!!!!! INPEECH!!!!!!

Unless you’re an atheist who finds Jeebus or a Muslim that goes atheist. Then you’re allowed to change your mind.

24 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 10:35:56am

Between moonbats who reject Big Pharma and Western Medicine and wingnuts who reject Big Government and Modern Science, we have reached a critically dangerous mass of self-affirming stoopid.

25 Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2015 10:36:01am

[Timely] repost from below:

26 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 10:36:28am
27 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:39:00am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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I find it funny that Huckabee apparently looks down on cussing, bacon-eating, and drinking given that he loves him some Ted Nugent. But really Mike, why not leave the gay couples the hell alone. No one is forcing you or really even wanting a bigot like you to officiate their weddings but that’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to enjoy it. Huckabee really needs to get over his sexual repression that he has. I love how he claims to have gay friends. Mike if you had gay friends, you wouldn’t insult them by saying the insidious lies you do about them and how they live their lives but maybe that’s what friendship is to evangelicals like you.

28 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 10:41:16am

re: #22 Ace-o-aces

Yes, You’re Racist @YesYoureRacist
Follow
The other 11 RT @CaseColeman: what month is white history month?

That’s right…it is February now, Black History month. Time to roll out a ‘shop from this same time last year dealing with the RWNJ lament.

29 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 10:42:31am

re: #22 Ace-o-aces

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Another February rolls around and out come the tired white bigot talking points about “White History Month.”

30 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 10:42:43am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

See, this is why I don’t usually read Vox. Calling this “pandering” is ridiculous; in 2008 Andrew Wakefield’s study hadn’t yet been proven fraudulent. There was at least some rational basis for caution at that point.

Well, It wasn’t “officially” proven fraudulent in ‘08, but it was pretty well known to be bullshit by then. A misstep by Obama and whomever was advising him on science at the time.

31 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 10:43:16am

I was already having a shitty day when I launched LGF for the first time today and saw this.

On behalf of all rational non-ignorant New Jerseyans, I apologize.

Also, fuck you, Governor. The Tea Party ass kissing has begun.

32 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 10:43:29am

re: #29 Targetpractice

Another February rolls around and out come the tired white bigot talking points about “White History Month.”

Yeah, seriously. We gotta do this every year?

33 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:44:06am

re: #31 Mattand

I was already having a shitty day when I launched LGF for the first time today and saw this.

On behalf of all rational non-ignorant New Jerseyans, I apologize.

Also, fuck you, Governor. The Tea Party ass kissing has begun.

Hey it’s not like you voted for him. You’ve seen through him. Now the people especially Democrats who gave him a second term OTOH.

34 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 10:44:40am
35 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:45:06am

re: #32 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, seriously. We gotta do this every year?

You imitating them or pointing out that every black history month that we have to hear some whiny conservative shithead cry about “how come there’s no white history month or having white history month would be racist but black history month isn’t.”

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 10:45:38am

Anti-vaxxers on FB are now boycotting Kohl’s…

37 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 10:45:46am

re:
#32

Yeah, seriously. We gotta do this every year?

Every year or until The Rapture.

//

38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 2, 2015 10:46:00am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I find it funny that Huckabee apparently looks down on cussing, bacon-eating, and drinking given that he loves him some Ted Nugent. But really Mike, why not leave the gay couples the hell alone. No one is forcing you or really even wanting a bigot like you to officiate their weddings but that’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to enjoy it. Huckabee really needs to get over his sexual repression that he has. I love how he claims to have gay friends. Mike if you had gay friends, you wouldn’t insult them by saying the insidious lies you do about them and how they live their lives.

By including classical music, he managed to hit on four of my favorite pastimes. I don’t tend to engage in all of them at the same time, of course, although Mozart did write some awfully raunchy rounds.

39 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:46:17am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anti-vaxxers on FB are now boycotting Kohl’s…

Why?

40 Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2015 10:46:35am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anti-vaxxers on FB are now boycotting Kohl’s…

Whatever for?

41 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 10:47:28am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anti-vaxxers on FB are now boycotting Kohl’s…

For what reason?

Edit: three in a row. That should teach Backwoods to put the facts in and not tease us like that!

42 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 10:47:41am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Why?

Because they’re stupid magical thinking idiots.

43 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:48:16am

My brother used to be one of those anti-vaxx types. Thankfully his wife got him to wise up especially after he had a daughter.

44 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:48:39am

re: #42 b_sharp

Because they’re stupid magical thinking idiots.

Yes, we knew that but what did Kohl’s do to piss them off is what I mean.

45 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 10:48:45am
46 withak  Feb 2, 2015 10:48:51am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

The same-sex wedding I went to last year included all of those things. Huck may be onto something?

47 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 10:48:59am

The Walk Back-ening has begun.

And surprise, surprise; it’s horseshit.

Extra asshole points for traveling to England just to shit all over Obama.

Question for the non-North American based Lizards: when citizens of other countries, particularly our allies, watch Republicans behave like this, what’s their take? Do they find this kind of behavior weird?

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 10:49:35am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Why?

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

Whatever for?

re: #41 ObserverArt

For what reason?

Something about free immunization clinics and teaching kids the importance of being vaccinated.

49 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 10:49:40am

re: #38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

By including classical music, he managed to hit on four of my favorite pastimes. I don’t tend to engage in all of them at the same time, of course, although Mozart did write some awfully raunchy rounds.

Bach is a gateway fugue.

50 KerFuFFler  Feb 2, 2015 10:50:31am

Years ago I suffered from a bulging disc in my neck and went to a chiropractor/physical therapist. He really did help my neck but it was the exercises he taught me that helped, not any of the actual chiropractic.

But I was truly dismayed by the pamphlets and posters in their waiting room that espoused all sorts of quackery and of course anti-vaxx screeds. I had no idea that it has become a common belief among chiropractors that poor vertebral alignment causes many other kinds of ill health and that chiropractic can address maladies other than back or neck pain. And I found it really disturbing that they were promoting a cradle to grave regular regimen of sessions to maintain good health. Some chiropractors claim they can treat colic in infants with spinal adjustments for example!

There are still some responsible chiropractors but people should beware of practitioners who promise too much. I read an interesting post by a chiropractor who is disgusted with the direction his field has moved in and anyone considering finding a chiropractor might want to read this first.

51 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:51:04am

So per Buzzfeed, some whiny MRA types are actually pissed off at the “throw/run like a girl” ad from last night’s game. Yeah because “like a girl” hasn’t been used to imply that a boy is being a wuss for generations now. I swear MRA’s are the biggest whiners out there. Waaaaaaaaaah women are being treated as equals to me and it’s not fair to me because I feel entitled because I have a penis. Fuck dudes, you make me embarased to be a man with your whiny crap. Grow a pair fuckwads.

52 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 10:51:47am

re: #47 Mattand

The Walk Back-ening has begun.

And surprise, surprise; it’s horseshit.

Extra asshole points for traveling to England just to shit all over Obama.

Question for the non-North American based Lizards: when citizens of other countries, particularly our allies, watch Republicans behave like this, what’s their take? Do they find this kind of behavior weird?

Yeah, we saw that earlier. He’s not really walking back too far, just far enough to say “I’m not saying don’t vaccinate,” but still holding firmly to this “balance” BS.

And his knocking the President for not being a good negotiator is pretty fucking rich coming from a guy whose favored method of dealing with those who disagree with him is to shout down at them until they go quiet or until they agree with him.

53 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 10:52:04am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

See, this is why I don’t usually read Vox. Calling this “pandering” is ridiculous; in 2008 Andrew Wakefield’s study hadn’t yet been proven fraudulent. There was at least some rational basis for caution at that point.

To be fair to Vox, which does have good stuff, especially by Matthew Yglesias, there were several studies showing no connection even then, Lancet had described the study as “fatally flawed” as early as 2004, and the Vox article also pointed out that McCain made a similar statement to Obama’s. Its ok to call out the President when he was wrong, and he should’ve known he was wrong.

54 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:52:08am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something about free immunization clinics and teaching kids the importance of being vaccinated.

Ahhh I figured it was something like that since I know grocery stores give vaccinations out. Reminds me, I really have been needing to get my shingles vaccine.

55 Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2015 10:52:11am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something about free immunization clinics and teaching kids the importance of being vaccinated.

Oh.

THE HORROR!!!

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56 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 10:52:44am

re: #32 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, seriously. We gotta do this every year?

Regular as clockwork, like the “War on Christmas.”

57 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:53:17am

re: #56 aagcobb

Regular as clockwork, like the “War on Christmas.”

How fitting is it that today is Groundhog Day.

58 Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2015 10:53:35am
59 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 10:53:43am

He never knocked on my door.
Or if he did, I wasn’t home or I didn’t feel like answering.

60 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 10:53:52am

Allen West is flapping his pie hole again. He wants Congress to censure POTUS for being an Islamist sympathizer. Yes, really.

Mediaite has the story, including video. I’d link it, but I’m on my tablet.

61 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 10:54:18am

re:
#51

So per Buzzfeed, some whiny MRA types are actually pissed off…

Black History Month….Throw/run like a girl….

I tells ya, 2015 is nothing but a conspiracy against the White Man….

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62 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 10:54:36am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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Is there any bit of insanity the Texas GOP platform doesn’t include?

63 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:54:38am

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

He never knocked on my door.
Or if he did, I wasn’t home or I didn’t feel like answering.

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I think Mitt hired someone to knock on your door.

64 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:55:24am

re: #62 aagcobb

Is there any bit of insanity the Texas GOP platform doesn’t include?

They haven’t proposed that Jerry Jones be the NFL commissioner.

65 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 10:56:23am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

They haven’t proposed that Jerry Jones be the NFL commissioner.

They’re saving that for 2016.

66 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:57:00am

re: #65 Lidane

They’re saving that for 2016.

Yeah. Step by step.

67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 10:57:32am

re: #32 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, seriously. We gotta do this every year?

And every fall, some university newspaper editorial asks why they don’t have a white student union.

68 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 10:58:14am
69 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 10:59:52am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And every fall, some university newspaper editorial asks why they don’t have a white student union.

affirmative action bake sales because college republicans need something to do between inviting Robert Spencer to speak and crying about professors who aren’t to the right of Atilla the Hun.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 10:59:55am

re: #11 KerFuFFler

Off topic but I am really excited about my first attempt to make pastrami lox from fresh salmon. I read several recipes online and then cobbled together my own version. I just drained off some of the liquid that had oozed out overnight and it is starting to smell like the amazing pastrami lox I enjoyed in NYC——-from Russ and Daughters. I would never have guessed that coriander seeds are one of the main spices that give pastrami its distinctive flavor and aroma.

Waiting the curing process out is gonna be murder….

Coriander is just cilantro in disguise!
;)

71 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 11:00:36am

re: #53 aagcobb

To be fair to Vox, which does have good stuff, especially by Matthew Yglesias, there were several studies showing no connection even then, Lancet had described the study as “fatally flawed” as early as 2004, and the Vox article also pointed out that McCain made a similar statement to Obama’s. Its ok to call out the President when he was wrong, and he should’ve known he was wrong.

My point is that without definitive proof Wakefield’s study was fraudulent, it’s at least understandable that Obama thought there was some doubt about the safety of vaccines. Maybe he should have known better, but I think it’s absurd to call this “pandering” — just more of the same fake “balance” the media is always trying to foist on people.

“Sure, Christie says parents should be able to choose whether to vaccinate, but look what Obama said in 2008!”

72 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 2, 2015 11:01:40am

Morning Lizards,

I did get a mr. klys home safely, complete with massive sinus headache and upset stomach. The rest of my evening was spent running around to get what was needed to assist with both and then collapsing into bed with him at about 9:30.

Birthday boy is feeling much better this morning but wanted to sleep in a little more. Having gotten a blessed 13 hours of sleep, I let him do what he wants but can’t stay in bed anymore.

73 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 11:01:41am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

You imitating them or pointing out that every black history month that we have to hear some whiny conservative shithead cry about “how come there’s no white history month or having white history month would be racist but black history month isn’t.”

The second thing

74 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 11:01:42am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I think Mitt hired someone to knock on your door.

I didn’t open the door for them either.

75 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 11:03:18am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And every fall, some university newspaper editorial asks why they don’t have a white student union.

Historical context. How the fuck does that work?

76 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:03:22am

re: #73 Ace-o-aces

The second thing

Yeah shit gets old. It was actually a Republican president, Ford that spoke in favor of it. But then again Ford is as popular in conservative circles as Obama is.

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 11:03:35am

re: #50 KerFuFFler

Years ago I suffered from a bulging disc in my neck and went to a chiropractor/physical therapist. He really did help my neck but it was the exercises he taught me that helped, not any of the actual chiropractic.

But I was truly dismayed by the pamphlets and posters in their waiting room that espoused all sorts of quackery and of course anti-vaxx screeds. I had no idea that it has become a common belief among chiropractors that poor vertebral alignment causes many other kinds of ill health and that chiropractic can address maladies other than back or neck pain. And I found it really disturbing that they were promoting a cradle to grave regular regimen of sessions to maintain good health. Some chiropractors claim they can treat colic in infants with spinal adjustments for example!

There are still some responsible chiropractors but people should beware of practitioners who promise too much. I read an interesting post by a chiropractor who is disgusted with the direction his field has moved in and anyone considering finding a chiropractor might want to read this first.

It’s claims like that and the appearance that chiropractors sit right on the edge of woo-land is one of the main reasons I have never seriously considered seeing one.

78 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 11:03:58am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

So per Buzzfeed, some whiny MRA types are actually pissed off at the “throw/run like a girl” ad from last night’s game. Yeah because “like a girl” hasn’t been used to imply that a boy is being a wuss for generations now. I swear MRA’s are the biggest whiners out there. Waaaaaaaaaah women are being treated as equals to me and it’s not fair to me because I feel entitled because I have a penis. Fuck dudes, you make me embarased to be a man with your whiny crap. Grow a pair fuckwads.

They have enough fuckwads, they need balls.

79 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:05:57am

Why can’t I say the n-word?re: #78 b_sharp

They have enough fuckwads, they need balls.

They need to stop whining any time someone calls a woman something other than a slut or bitch.

80 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 11:06:13am

re: #75 Ace-o-aces

Historical context. How the fuck does that work?

One of the failures in the conservative cognitive-impairment cluster is the inability to comprehend context. I’ve seen it again and again. They can only see a very small picture, and just can’t reason beyond this tiny view.

81 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 11:06:21am

Tomorrow Granddaughter1 is attending a bebop workshop under Branford Marsalis. And that’s as cool as her year is going to get.

Youtube Video

82 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 11:07:35am

re: #50 KerFuFFler

Years ago I suffered from a bulging disc in my neck and went to a chiropractor/physical therapist. He really did help my neck but it was the exercises he taught me that helped, not any of the actual chiropractic.

But I was truly dismayed by the pamphlets and posters in their waiting room that espoused all sorts of quackery and of course anti-vaxx screeds. I had no idea that it has become a common belief among chiropractors that poor vertebral alignment causes many other kinds of ill health and that chiropractic can address maladies other than back or neck pain. And I found it really disturbing that they were promoting a cradle to grave regular regimen of sessions to maintain good health. Some chiropractors claim they can treat colic in infants with spinal adjustments for example!

There are still some responsible chiropractors but people should beware of practitioners who promise too much. I read an interesting post by a chiropractor who is disgusted with the direction his field has moved in and anyone considering finding a chiropractor might want to read this first.

Were any of the brochures about applied kinesiology? It is my understanding this ‘science’ is a big thing with chiropractors.

Wiki page on: Applied_Kinesiology

83 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 11:10:09am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

My point is that without definitive proof Wakefield’s study was fraudulent, it’s at least understandable that Obama thought there was some doubt about the safety of vaccines. Maybe he should have known better, but I think it’s absurd to call this “pandering” — just more of the same fake “balance” the media is always trying to foist on people.

“Sure, Christie says parents should be able to choose whether to vaccinate, but look what Obama said in 2008!”

The difference, of course, being that the President has learned better, like grown-up adults ought to do, but Christie hasn’t. For the most part, I don’t think Vox engages in much fake balance as they do actual balance, in that they will say Democrats are wrong when they are wrong, but of course Republicans are reported as wrong much more often, and more seriously wrong, on more issues.

84 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 11:10:46am

This, people, is why medical boards started retesting doctors every few years.

85 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 11:10:59am

re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader

Coriander is just cilantro in disguise!
;)

Coriander is actually pre-sprouted baby cilantro…

:D

86 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 11:11:02am

Last rant:

What fucking kills me is that either Christie or his advisors or both basically are like “If Obama is for something, we need to stand against it because that what the play-with-their-own-poop Tea Partiers who run the GOP want to hear.”

It’s an involuntary muscle reflex. It’s the now-classic “If Obama announces he’s pro-oxygen, every Republican will hold their breath and asphyxiate themselves, because if he’s for something, they have to be against it.”

I do not understand how people can look at this kind of childish behavior and go “Yup, that’s the guy who should run the free world.”

87 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 11:12:15am

re: #72 klystron

Morning Lizards,

I did get a mr. klys home safely, complete with massive sinus headache and upset stomach. The rest of my evening was spent running around to get what was needed to assist with both and then collapsing into bed with him at about 9:30.

Birthday boy is feeling much better this morning but wanted to sleep in a little more. Having gotten a blessed 13 hours of sleep, I let him do what he wants but can’t stay in bed anymore.

Nice to know everything is going to be fine. Tell him to take care…from all of us.

88 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:13:24am

re: #84 Ace-o-aces

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This, people, is why medical boards started retesting doctors every few years.

Except we’re talking about vaccines for contagious diseases Ron or did you forget that part because you were too busy trying to distract people by acting like this is an issue about freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really and what’s sad is people will take Paul seriously here because he’s a doctor. Nevermind that he’s a lunatic.

89 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 11:13:46am

I thought I had blocked and muted this SLUT (Stupid Lady Using Twitter) from my Time Line but every once in a while the Derp overwhelms the filters:

90 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 11:13:53am
91 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 2, 2015 11:13:56am

re: #87 ObserverArt

Nice to know everything is going to be fine. Tell him to take care…from all of us.

I will.

He did like the surprise of the work I’d done in the kitchen to get that corner cleaned up.

92 allegro  Feb 2, 2015 11:14:20am

re: #84 Ace-o-aces

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This, people, is why medical boards started retesting doctors every few years.

Typically RP only considers what affects him personally in his argument. No thought to the many others an unvaccinated and infected person can harm or kill.

93 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 11:14:26am

It’s spelled DEPENDENT you SLUT
Also, REAGAN started that phone program.

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 11:14:41am

re: #86 Mattand

Last rant:

What fucking kills me is that either Christie or his advisors or both basically are like “If Obama is for something, we need to stand against it because that what the play-with-their-own-poop Tea Partiers who run the GOP want to hear.”

It’s an involuntary muscle reflex. It’s the now-classic “If Obama announces he’s pro-oxygen, every Republican will hold their breath and asphyxiate themselves, because if he’s for something, they have to be against it.”

I do not understand how people can look at this kind of childish behavior and go “Yup, that’s the guy who should run the free world.”

Because they’ve convinced themselves that all the media blab is just meaningless backbiting on Christie out of a desire to throw mud at him at every opportunity and over any issue. I have friends in NJ who are still thoroughly convinced he is one of the better things to happen to the state in the past decade.

95 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:14:53am

re: #86 Mattand

Last rant:

What fucking kills me is that either Christie or his advisors or both basically are like “If Obama is for something, we need to stand against it because that what the play-with-their-own-poop Tea Partiers who run the GOP want to hear.”

It’s an involuntary muscle reflex. It’s the now-classic “If Obama announces he’s pro-oxygen, every Republican will hold their breath and asphyxiate themselves, because if he’s for something, they have to be against it.”

I do not understand how people can look at this kind of childish behavior and go “Yup, that’s the guy who should run the free world.”

I don’t either but he’s going to get plenty of support along the way. You’re right. It’s simply pathetic. It’s them seeing that Obama’s for something and them having their guy take the opposite stance because they know taking Obama’s opposite stance will make him more appealing to the primary electorate. And this fucker has the nerve to accuse Obama of not being a leader. Christie look at yourself, you fucking hack.

96 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:15:25am

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

I thought I had blocked and muted this SLUT (Stupid Lady Using Twitter) from my Time Line but every once in a while the Derp overwhelms the filters:

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Oh look ma another right wing piece of shit that likes dehumanizing their fellow Americans by calling them animals.

97 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 11:15:58am

re: #91 klystron

I will.

He did like the surprise of the work I’d done in the kitchen to get that corner cleaned up.

Did all the cats hide in the new cabinet as part of the surprise?
:)

98 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 11:16:11am
99 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:16:14am

Really you know who was actually fond of calling their opponents animals. Yep that guy. That guy who you wingnuts love comparing Obama to.

100 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 11:17:17am

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

I thought I had blocked and muted this SLUT (Stupid Lady Using Twitter) from my Time Line but every once in a while the Derp overwhelms the filters:

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101 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:17:28am

re: #98 Kragar

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He should know better but because he’s a pathetic weasely hack he doesn’t care. Him and his kooky father can stop with this bullshit about how it’s freedom. We’re talking about vaccines for contagious diseases here you fucks.

102 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:17:53am

re: #100 No Country For Old Haters

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A complete loon who would be lost if there wasn’t Obama to bitch about?

103 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 11:18:24am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

My point is that without definitive proof Wakefield’s study was fraudulent, it’s at least understandable that Obama thought there was some doubt about the safety of vaccines. Maybe he should have known better, but I think it’s absurd to call this “pandering” — just more of the same fake “balance” the media is always trying to foist on people.

“Sure, Christie says parents should be able to choose whether to vaccinate, but look what Obama said in 2008!”

I’m not cutting Obama slack on this one. If he waffled in 2008, he was straight up wrong. Period. Wakefield’s house of cards was collapsing back then. It wouldn’t have taken that much research by his staff to see that.

I’d rather have him running the country than the 2 dozen dipshits the GOP has been serving up since 2007; and I don’t expect Obama to be an expert on immunology; but the long-and-short of it is when you say “Parents should have a choice on vaccination” they’re pandering to the loons.

He’s doing the right thing now and coming down fully on the anti-pandemic side, although the cynic in me thinks part of his thinking is “I’m outta here in less than two years, I’ve got no fucks to give and nothing to lose by embracing reality.”

104 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 11:20:49am

re: #98 Kragar

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No problem, Rand. You and daddy want to believe that vaccines should be totally voluntary. Then we’ll make it simple: If you don’t want to vaccinate your kids, then have the money to home school them. Because people who vaccinate their kids should not have to worry that one of these precious little snowflakes is going to come to school and set off an epidemic.

105 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 11:22:18am

re: #100 No Country For Old Haters

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They have that YouTube video of “Obamaphone Lady” in their favorites folder HURR HURR ALL TEH BLAH PEOPLE ARE LIKE THIS!!!!!!!

106 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:22:33am

re: #104 Targetpractice

No problem, Rand. You and daddy want to believe that vaccines should be totally voluntary. Then we’ll make it simple: If you don’t want to vaccinate your kids, then have the money to home school them. Because people who vaccinate their kids should not have to worry that one of these precious little snowflakes is going to come to school and set off an epidemic.

I can’t even say that. Other kids are going to come in contact with those other kids somehow. Really it’s a public health issue. Vaccinate your kids. The vaccines exist for a reason. I swear if our ancestors who died of the diseases that we have vaccines for saw this shit, they would be pissed.

107 CarolJ  Feb 2, 2015 11:23:24am

re: #103 Mattand

I think he always has. It’s just that back in 2008 there were a lot of parents who were suing vaccine companies for their autistic children. Obama was probably hedging his bets on this.

I bet Malia and Sasha got every shot they needed to get, and certainly he hasn’t appointed people who would be anti-vaxxers to any post.

108 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:23:48am

Rand and his asshole father don’t give a damn about freedom and choice when it comes to women controlling their own pregancies. Of course, Rand and Ron’s asskissers ignore that because they just hear the old kook and his equally kooky son talk about freedom so they ignore it.

109 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 11:25:43am

re:
#89

Did you know there is something like 16 million plus ObamaPhones?

This is what happens when Koch Industries hasn’t sent out the daily derp and the wingnuts have to rely on Breitbart or the FreeRepublic comment thread.

110 Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2015 11:26:43am

Has President Obama’s prior quote about vaccines been verified? Today is the first time I have even seen that statement.

111 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 11:27:06am

re: #107 CarolJ

I think he always has. It’s just that back in 2008 there were a lot of parents who were suing vaccine companies for their autistic children. Obama was probably hedging his bets on this.

I bet Malia and Sasha got every shot they needed to get, and certainly he hasn’t appointed people who would be anti-vaxxers to any post.

Agree to disagree. In this country, given it’s general hatred of education and science, “Hedging bets on scientific consensus” translates into “Kissing up to the idiots who disagree with reality.”

Hedging bets gets you measles epidemics as Disneyland.

112 lawhawk  Feb 2, 2015 11:29:23am

re: #104 Targetpractice

The Pauls created their own little “medical association” who pander to all sorts of bogus claims and beliefs that are unrelated to sound science. They spouted off during the Ebola scares, and they are again showing their anti-vax tendencies here.

The human body is exposed to far more and far more diverse antigens in a single breath or a toddler cramming their hand into their mouth as they are want to do than any single or grouping of vaccines. The vaccines are targeted and are far more specific at giving immunity than any of these nitwits give credit for, and all they are doing is rehashing the same craziness that popped up time and time again whenever a new vaccine was introduced in history.

These people are promoting a very dangerous view and for all the talk about how the GOP wants to control health care costs, vaccinations are the single most effective way of doing so.

A single measles vaccine can reduce, if not eliminate that person’s chance of getting measles. That means no lost wages for the parent, no potential doctors’ bills, no potential hospitalizations for complications, and no lasting effects for the person who received the vaccination.

A single vaccine jab can do all that. The entire course of vaccines can save potentially tens of thousands of dollars in costs per person. Yet they think vaccines are a pharmaceutical boon? Seriously?

I wouldn’t wish any of the communicable diseases that you can get vaccinated for on anyone. They are that miserable.

113 CarolJ  Feb 2, 2015 11:30:22am

One more thing. What happens to these special snowflakes once they become 18 and have to leave the nest? Do these people even think that far? One of the anti-vaxxers has a 16 year old daughter. Girls can get pregnant at 16, and if anything these girls would be even more vulnerable, let alone their babies to anything going around. Being pregnant is a form of immunosuppression, which is why there are special cautions about pregnant women and disease.

Men can’t avoid the consequences either. Guys enter the military and live and work in close quarters. Domitory living has its vulnerabilties. Jobs these days have dozens of people working together in cubicles that don’t go to the top of the ceiling, and one coughing co-worker can spread airborne disease. Some manual jobs are natural disease vectors, working around dirt, sweat and less than sanitary conditions.

But their special snowflake kids won’t ever be around less-than-optimal conditions, so they think.

114 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 2, 2015 11:31:28am

From the Chiropractor article:

“In one case I investigated, an Arizona chiropractor advised an 80+-year-old grandma to charge more than $10,000 for vitamins to her credit cards to avoid an impending stroke that he had diagnosed by testing a sample of her pubic hair. No hair test can determine that a stroke is imminent or show that dietary supplements are needed. Doctors who evaluated the woman at the Mayo Clinic found no evidence to support the chiropractor’s assessment.”

Holy shit.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 11:31:31am

re: #110 Dr. Matt

Has President Obama’s prior quote about vaccines been verified? Today is the first time I have even seen that statement.

I just googled a bit and found out that the quote from the 2008 campaign was “I am not for selective vaccination”, which pissed off the autism/vax crowd.

116 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 2, 2015 11:32:23am

So when do we get to start calling some of these people Pro Death?

117 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:32:45am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just googled a bit and found out that the quote from the 2008 campaign was “I am not for selective vaccination”, which pissed off the autism/vax crowd.

Wait so that would mean that he said the opposite.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 11:34:31am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Wait so that would mean that he said the opposite.

Sure sounds like it.
Googling: Obama “I am not for selective vaccination” has 379 results.

119 Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2015 11:35:22am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Via Google,

Last Friday evening, September 5, 2008, I had the opportunity to ask Senator Barack Obama about childhood vaccine safety/choice. His response, “I am not for selective vaccination, I believe that it will bring back deadly diseases, like polio.” scienceblogs.com

120 Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2015 11:35:23am

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

From the Chiropractor article:

“In one case I investigated, an Arizona chiropractor advised an 80+-year-old grandma to charge more than $10,000 for vitamins to her credit cards to avoid an impending stroke that he had diagnosed by testing a sample of her pubic hair. No hair test can determine that a stroke is imminent or show that dietary supplements are needed. Doctors who evaluated the woman at the Mayo Clinic found no evidence to support the chiropractor’s assessment.”

Holy shit.

O_O

121 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 11:35:30am

re: #113 CarolJ

One more thing. What happens to these special snowflakes once they become 18 and have to leave the nest? Do these people even think that far? One of the anti-vaxxers has a 16 year old daughter. Girls can get pregnant at 16, and if anything these girls would be even more vulnerable, let alone their babies to anything going around. Being pregnant is a form of immunosuppression, which is why there are special cautions about pregnant women and disease.

Men can’t avoid the consequences either. Guys enter the military and live and work in close quarters. Domitory living has its vulnerabilties. Jobs these days have dozens of people working together in cubicles that don’t go to the top of the ceiling, and one coughing co-worker can spread airborne disease. Some manual jobs are natural disease vectors, working around dirt, sweat and less than sanitary conditions.

But their special snowflake kids won’t ever be around less-than-optimal conditions, so they think.

That thought came to me while I was loading the washer just now: “Do these parents think they can control everything their kids do and interact with once they leave the house?” How do they think they’re preparing their kid for the real world when they’re making them vulnerable to diseases that could cost them everything from a job to their mobility to even their lives? And what do they expect to happen if they should decide to go into a field of work where employers make vaccinations compulsory?

122 Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2015 11:35:55am

and this…

And now, yesterday, at a rally in Pennsylvania, Barack Obama had this rather surprising thing to say:

“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.”
scienceblogs.com

123 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 11:36:13am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Wait so that would mean that he said the opposite.

Wouldn’t be the first time wingnuts got it wrong.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 11:37:01am

re: #107 CarolJ

I think he always has. It’s just that back in 2008 there were a lot of parents who were suing vaccine companies for their autistic children. Obama was probably hedging his bets on this.

I bet Malia and Sasha got every shot they needed to get, and certainly he hasn’t appointed people who would be anti-vaxxers to any post.

Was that also when that spurious Lancet article was still in circulation and had not been repudiated?

125 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:37:07am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Via Google,

Last Friday evening, September 5, 2008, I had the opportunity to ask Senator Barack Obama about childhood vaccine safety/choice. His response, “I am not for selective vaccination, I believe that it will bring back deadly diseases, like polio.” scienceblogs.com

So that would mean that Obama’s been actually very consistent on this issue. Yep looks like another fail.

126 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:37:15am

re: #123 b_sharp

Wouldn’t be the first time wingnuts got it wrong.

nor the last.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 11:38:00am

re: #123 b_sharp

Wouldn’t be the first time wingnuts got it wrong.

And it took me less than a minute or so to track down the quote.

128 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:38:26am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

And it took me less than a minute or so to track down the quote.

You’re not an award winning journalist (tm) though.//

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 11:39:06am

re: #104 Targetpractice

No problem, Rand. You and daddy want to believe that vaccines should be totally voluntary. Then we’ll make it simple: If you don’t want to vaccinate your kids, then have the money to home school them. Because people who vaccinate their kids should not have to worry that one of these precious little snowflakes is going to come to school and set off an epidemic.

Though they are as perfectly capable of triggering it in the local mall or grocery store as well.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 11:39:44am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

You’re not an award winning journalist (tm) though.//

I am, however, a Real Journalist.

131 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:40:16am

re: #129 Feline Fearless Leader

Though they are as perfectly capable of triggering it in the local mall or grocery store as well.

or on the sports fields. Home school kids still do play sports with the other kids.

132 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:40:40am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am, however, a Real Journalist.

Yeah I remembered heh which is why I did the award winning journalist tm.

133 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 11:40:53am
135 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 11:41:16am

re: #121 Targetpractice

That thought came to me while I was loading the washer just now: “Do these parents think they can control everything their kids do and interact with once they leave the house?” How do they think they’re preparing their kid for the real world when they’re making them vulnerable to diseases that could cost them everything from a job to their mobility to even their lives? And what do they expect to happen if they should decide to go into a field of work where employers make vaccinations compulsory?

Maybe they can petition Obama to have FEMA set up special camps for them to attend. Oh wait.
///

136 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:42:05am
137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 11:42:07am

As I mentioned last night, despite having the MMR shot as a child and suffering measles on several occasions, it appears that I have no immunity to measles.
Rand Paul can stuff his opinion.

138 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 11:42:14am

About Obama’s remarks - Vox is misrepresenting what he said.

books.google.com

Two months after McCain’s statement, the Washington Post reported that then-Senator Barack Obama made a similar claim as he campaigned for the Democratic nomination for president. Speaking at a rally in Pennsyvania, Obama said, “We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.”

A later analysis demonstrated that when Obama said, “this person included,” he was referring to the person who had asked a question, not himself, and that Obama believed that vaccinations were necessary to the health of the nation.

And that, right there, is why I don’t trust Vox.

139 darthstar  Feb 2, 2015 11:42:27am
140 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:43:06am

re: #138 Charles Johnson

About Obama’s remarks - Vox is misrepresenting what he said.

books.google.com

And that, right there, is why I don’t trust Vox.

Good catch.

141 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 11:44:44am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anti-vaxxers on FB are now boycotting Kohl’s…

Also active on Twitter:
twitter.com

142 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 11:46:28am
143 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 2, 2015 11:47:07am

re: #141 jaunte

Also active on Twitter:
twitter.com

If only we could get them to boycott all public places. Ant twitter and facebook - hell the internet as a whole!

144 Sionainn  Feb 2, 2015 11:47:52am

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

I thought I had blocked and muted this SLUT (Stupid Lady Using Twitter) from my Time Line but every once in a while the Derp overwhelms the filters:

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Of course, it’s a wingnut. Can’t use words correctly.

145 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:47:59am

re: #142 Targetpractice

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Well there you have Rand Paul’s Surgeon General or Health and Human Services Secretary.

146 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 11:48:11am

But not to worry, folks. Fox News’ MTV reject knows who to blame:

147 CarolJ  Feb 2, 2015 11:48:27am

re: #121 Targetpractice

I can think of two jobs where vaccination has to be manditory: anything in the medical field. The other is the military, where they have long memories of losing whole divisions to disease. Where even with modern conditions, soldiers in combat may spend days without reliable running water, where injuries can become infected, and where soldiers may have to share a common tent. I suspect hairdressing and related professions, where you may spend days around clients with all sorts of ailments. While you could refuse someone who’s obviously ill, many older clients have diseases like diabetes for whom a day getting their hair done is a treat. One does not want to get-or-give preventable diseases in those conditions. Food preparation.

And that’s just that start.

148 lawhawk  Feb 2, 2015 11:49:58am

re: #141 jaunte

They’re boycotting Kohls? Awesome. That means it’s one more safe place for people who are immune compromised or have infants who can’t get vaccinated.

More of this please. Please let all these anti-vax morons take themselves out of the economy completely. Stop visiting malls, restaurants, shops, etc. They’re putting everyone at risk with their baffling with BS pseudoscience mumbo jumbo that is unsupported by the facts.

149 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:50:28am

re: #146 Targetpractice

But not to worry, folks. Fox News’ MTV reject knows who to blame:

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Yes, Kennedy it’s only irrational progressives who don’t vaccinize their kids. God what a hack. Then again this is the idiot who likened Ron Paul to Kurt Cobain. Really, these people just suck.

150 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 11:50:45am

Whoever wrote that Vox article did some very sloppy research - found the quote and jumped to conclusions about it, without looking into it any further.

151 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 11:51:04am

When in doubt blame the left: Because we’re a network run by a former Nixon lackey and owned by an old Australian bigot.

152 lawhawk  Feb 2, 2015 11:51:21am

re: #147 CarolJ

Two states do a pretty good job with vaccinations - WV and MS. Yes. I know, I was surprised about that too, but they don’t have the religious or philosophical exemptions that other states do, so they have a much higher compliance rate on vaccinations.

Eliminate the exemptions, and you get better compliance. That’s a stand that should gain ground.

153 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 11:51:45am

re: #148 lawhawk

Looking at the tweets on that topic, there are a bunch of people asserting that “vaccines injured my child” with the usual proof: attaching “FACT” to the statement.

154 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 11:53:24am

Texas will next assert the individual’s God-given-freedom right to drive their vehicle with functioning brakes, or without.

155 calochortus  Feb 2, 2015 11:54:28am

re: #72 klystron

Morning Lizards,

I did get a mr. klys home safely, complete with massive sinus headache and upset stomach. The rest of my evening was spent running around to get what was needed to assist with both and then collapsing into bed with him at about 9:30.

Birthday boy is feeling much better this morning but wanted to sleep in a little more. Having gotten a blessed 13 hours of sleep, I let him do what he wants but can’t stay in bed anymore.

What a relief to have Mr. K. home. I wish him a happy birthday (such as it is) and lots of nice sleep for you both.

156 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 2, 2015 11:55:20am

re: #152 lawhawk

Two states do a pretty good job with vaccinations - WV and MS. Yes. I know, I was surprised about that too, but they don’t have the religious or philosophical exemptions that other states do, so they have a much higher compliance rate on vaccinations.

Eliminate the exemptions, and you get better compliance. That’s a stand that should gain ground.

Well, yeah - but that was BEFORE Obama came out in favor of vaccinations. Now it’s all about the Iron Boot Stainless Steel Needle of Big Government on in the Neck Left Upper Arm of America!

157 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 11:55:46am

re: #52 Targetpractice

Yeah, we saw that earlier. He’s not really walking back too far, just far enough to say “I’m not saying don’t vaccinate,” but still holding firmly to this “balance” BS.

And his knocking the President for not being a good negotiator is pretty fucking rich coming from a guy whose favored method of dealing with those who disagree with him is to shout down at them until they go quiet or until they agree with him.

He’s never met me I won’t back down from anyone.

158 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 2, 2015 11:55:54am

re: #152 lawhawk

Two states do a pretty good job with vaccinations - WV and MS. Yes. I know, I was surprised about that too, but they don’t have the religious or philosophical exemptions that other states do, so they have a much higher compliance rate on vaccinations.

Eliminate the exemptions, and you get better compliance. That’s a stand that should gain ground.

I really think this, more than having any version of talking head try to talk sense into these people, is what will gain us forward progress again.

159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 11:56:20am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Whoever wrote that Vox article did some very sloppy research - found the quote and jumped to conclusions about it, without looking into it any further.

That is AWARD WINNING JOURNALISM where I come from!!!

160 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 2, 2015 11:56:28am

re: #72 klystron

Morning Lizards,

I did get a mr. klys home safely, complete with massive sinus headache and upset stomach. The rest of my evening was spent running around to get what was needed to assist with both and then collapsing into bed with him at about 9:30.

Birthday boy is feeling much better this morning but wanted to sleep in a little more. Having gotten a blessed 13 hours of sleep, I let him do what he wants but can’t stay in bed anymore.

I saw the initial posts, but missed the resolution - was all well with Mr. K? Nothing untoward?

161 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 11:57:12am

re: #91 klystron

I will.

He did like the surprise of the work I’d done in the kitchen to get that corner cleaned up.

Yah, but has he seen the spare bedroom yet? <evil grin>

162 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 11:57:46am

HURR HURR MOAR LIES!!!! HE LIED AGAIN HE LIED AGAIN HE LIED HE LIED HE LIED AGAIN!!!11!1!!!

163 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 11:57:47am
“…Today the [Taliban] continues to threaten to kill not only vaccinators but also parents who get their children immunized. That threat has had a chilling effect on anti-polio efforts nationwide. And it completely halted vaccination drives in some Taliban-controlled areas. It’s in these places that the crippling virus has come roaring back — and threatened to stymie global efforts to wipe out polio.”
npr.org

Good job, Texas. Way to emulate the leaders in the field.

164 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 11:57:53am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Whoever wrote that Vox article did some very sloppy research - found the quote and jumped to conclusions about it, without looking into it any further.

I think the quotes they are using can be found on Orac’s blog.

littlegreenfootballs.com

165 calochortus  Feb 2, 2015 11:58:33am

Maybe these anti-vaxxers need to carry their child in utero until they are 16 or 18 years old and their immune systems are ready to cope with the huge onslaught of bacteria and other insults to the body that happens at birth.

A side benefit would be fewer unvaccinated children if they are spaced that far apart.

166 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 2, 2015 11:59:33am

re: #160 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw the initial posts, but missed the resolution - was all well with Mr. K? Nothing untoward?

It was. Best conclusion was it was just pain due to the sinus mess, with cascading effects (nausea, low blood pressure). He just described it as the “worst headache of his life” which sets off all kinds of warning bells.

The flight back was apparently even more unpleasant than the flight out but avoided the final sharp pain, and hot shower + breathing in steam + Tylenol cold and flu + a warm compress + 15 hours of sleep seems to have fixed all that.

167 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 12:01:18pm

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR MOAR LIES!!!! HE LIED AGAIN HE LIED AGAIN HE LIED HE LIED HE LIED AGAIN!!!11!1!!!

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He should be impeached over this. How dare he.

168 jeoff  Feb 2, 2015 12:03:00pm

Sorry, you guys sound as delusional as the conservatives you deride. If you look at the actual quote (that is, what Christie actually said) and ignore the headline and the snarky commentary—how is what Christe said contrary to the President’s statement, and more importantly, the President’s actions?
Christie: vaccinates his own kids—believes his actions with his own kids, is the strongest statement he can make about vaccinations against childhood diseases. Then he recognizes there is ballance somewhere, between what the government believes is right, and parents rights.
The Presidents position?: He strongly urges that parents vaccinate their kids. As far as I know he has not pushed for legislation, or issued executive orders preventing unvaccinated children from attending school (which should be the case, btw).
So, other than the fact that you guys adore one of these guys, and hate the other? —what is the real difference in their positions? If you really see a difference is it really so significant to enough to deserve this kind of venom? If you really feel so strongly about the subject, why are you not upset with the President for only “strongly urging” folks to vaccinate their kids?

169 darthstar  Feb 2, 2015 12:03:06pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

When in doubt blame the left: Because we’re a network run by a former Nixon lackey and owned by an old Australian bigot.

The left isn’t making Christie look like an asshole. He’s doing that all by himself.

170 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 2, 2015 12:03:18pm

I once read a comment in a vaccine discussion. The commenter described how he had read somewhere that the immunity you get from vaccines is not a strong as you get from having the disease, so he didn’t vaccinate his kids. When his child got Whooping Cough and lay there barely able to breathe, he sat up with him, content in the knowledge that the immunity he would have would be so much better than if he’d only gotten the vaccine.

I just about went nuclear in response till I realized it was satirical.

171 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 2, 2015 12:04:45pm

re: #166 klystron

It was. Best conclusion was it was just pain due to the sinus mess, with cascading effects (nausea, low blood pressure). He just described it as the “worst headache of his life” which sets off all kinds of warning bells.

The flight back was apparently even more unpleasant than the flight out but avoided the final sharp pain, and hot shower + breathing in steam + Tylenol cold and flu + a warm compress + 15 hours of sleep seems to have fixed all that.

I’m relieved! Sounds miserable, but without being actually dangerous.

172 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 12:06:15pm
173 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 2, 2015 12:08:13pm

Wildly off topic, but can anyone here tell me about calamondins? We were looking at plants yesterday, with an eye to supplementing our orange tree with a lemon and a lime tree, and i kept finding Calamondin trees. My Mom loved them, mostly for marmalade, I think.

Anyone know anything?

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 12:08:17pm

re: #168 jeoff

good freakin grief.

175 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 12:09:48pm

re: #172 Ace-o-aces

That should be a standing response to anything from Dim Hoft or UpChuck.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots who believe them.

176 Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2015 12:10:06pm

:Rageface:
Stupid antivaxxers.

177 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 12:10:15pm
178 nines09  Feb 2, 2015 12:12:34pm

re: #168 jeoff

So I guess you forgot this GEM?
But it’s a choice now because? And You can’t see the difference? I call bullshit either side. Christie is for choice. Right. Sure. You bet. Uh huh. Now it’s “Rights”…..

179 lawhawk  Feb 2, 2015 12:12:53pm

re: #168 jeoff

There is no balancing here. There are no upsides to delaying vaccinations nor altering the schedules. There’s no upside to not vaccinating against measles, mumps, chicken pox, pertussis, or any of the other diseases for which vaccines are available.

The public health of the nation demands it. Christie is attempting to walk back his noxious claims that were given over in GB, and it’s in stark contrast to his stated position on Ebola isolation even when the person shows no symptoms.

His statements give credence to the anti-vaxxers and those who would delay or not give vaccinations at all. His statements undermine public health.

180 darthstar  Feb 2, 2015 12:13:47pm
181 OhNoZombies!  Feb 2, 2015 12:13:48pm

re: #84 Ace-o-aces

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This, people, is why medical boards started retesting doctors every few years.

In other words, “I got mine, so fuck it.”

I’m just so very shocked.
Can’t you tell?

182 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:16:58pm

re: #168 jeoff

Um. We’re not talking about positions. We’re talking about messages. They’re significantly different.

183 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 12:53:42pm

re: #168 jeoff

Bullshit.

Christie’s message is if you don’t want to vaccinate your kids, even when there’s no legitimate reason not to, knock yourself out. Wave that American flag as easily controlled diseases make comebacks because parents think paranoia and Free-Dumb outweigh scientific evidence.

184 jeoff  Feb 2, 2015 1:48:55pm

re: #182 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Um. We’re not talking about positions. We’re talking about messages. They’re significantly different.

His message was that he got his kids vaccinated—and that is stronger than any message that he could make as a public official. He says the government has to balance parents rights and public health. The government draws the line between parents health decisions and the general public health.
There is a difference between “message” and “narrative”. Click-bait headlines and having fun with editing can create a narrative much different than the intended message (just ask Seth Rogen).

185 KerFuFFler  Feb 2, 2015 1:51:29pm

re: #82 ObserverArt

Were any of the brochures about applied kinesiology? It is my understanding this ‘science’ is a big thing with chiropractors.

Wiki page on: Applied_Kinesiology

There probably were but it was a long time ago so I don’t remember all of the stupidity on display. The anti-vaxx propaganda was what stood out in my mind since it is such paranoid bullshit.


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