Vox Misrepresents Obama’s 2008 Vaccination Stance

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Today we find “explanatory journalism” site Vox digging up a quote by Barack Obama from 2008 and using it to argue that Obama Supports Vaccines Now — but Pandered to Anti-Vaxxers in 2008.

Chris Christie has come under fire for remarks suggesting that parents should have a choice in which vaccines their children do and don’t receive. Those remarks got fierce pushback from public health officials, but it turns out Christie isn’t the only one who has questioned the validity of vaccines. Both President Obama and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) did so during their presidential runs in 2008. Brendan Nyhan at Dartmouth noted their remarks at the time:

“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.”

—Barack Obama, Pennsylvania Rally, April 21, 2008.

“It’s indisputable that (autism) is on the rise among children, the question is what’s causing it. And we go back and forth and there’s strong evidence that indicates it’s got to do with a preservative in vaccines.”

—John McCain, Texas town hall meeting, February 29, 2008.

This is the exact right moment to note: the science that disproves a link between autism and vaccines (particularly the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine) is not inconclusive. It wasn’t back in 2008 when McCain and Obama made these remarks — and it has become even more solid in the eight years since then.

Is this quote accurate? Yes — but it’s not the end of the story at all. In fact, it’s a misrepresentation of Obama’s views. Because when asked directly about his opinion on vaccination, here’s what Obama said:

Well, here’s a rare bit of good news in the endless tedium that has become the U.S. election. It appears that Barack Obama has ticked off the antivaccine contingent. I know, I know, I said I would try to lay off this topic for a few days, but this is just too amusing. Apparently, he’s gone a long way towards redeeming himself for his previous gaffe when it came to vaccines and autism, and the antivaccine zealots over at Age of Autism are all in a tizzy over it:

Last Friday evening, September 5, 2008, I had the opportunity to ask Senator Barack Obama about childhood vaccine safety/choice. His response, “I am not for selective vaccination, I believe that it will bring back deadly diseases, like polio.

He went onto say in so many words that he is for more science and the funding of more science if it’s needed. (His science response is fuzzy, as his first response stunned me for a second). I previously gave his staffer a folder of information on vaccines. The Senator promised me that he would take a look at it.

And that’s not the only misrepresentation in this Vox article. From the book “Vaccine: The Debate in Modern America:”

Two months after McCain’s statement, the Washington Post reported that then-Senator Barack Obama made a similar claim as he campaigned for the Democratic nomination for president. Speaking at a rally in Pennsyvania, Obama said, “We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.”

A later analysis demonstrated that when Obama said, “this person included,” he was referring to the person who had asked a question, not himself, and that Obama believed that vaccinations were necessary to the health of the nation.

Bottom line: the author of that Vox article did some very sloppy research; found a quote and jumped to conclusions about it, without looking any further.

UPDATE at 2/2/15 1:08:17 pm by Charles Johnson

Here’s video of Obama’s complete statement, and it’s much more pro-vaccine than is being reported. (h/t: Gus.)

YouTube

“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There are some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like Polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. Because if we keep on seeing increases at the rate we’re seeing we’re never going to have enough money to provide all the special needs, special education funding that’s going to be necessary.”

DATE: April 21, 2008
LOCATION: Blue Bell, PA

Please note that when Obama said, “the science right now is inconclusive,” he was referring to research into the causes of autism — not to a vaccine-autism link.

UPDATE at 2/2/15 1:19:50 pm by Charles Johnson

And now this misrepresentation of Obama’s position is being repeated by Politico: In 2008, President Obama Was ‘Suspicious’ of Vaccines.

UPDATE at 2/2/15 5:56:19 pm by Charles Johnson

Thanks to LA Times columnist Michael Hiltzik for picking up on this story: No, Obama Didn’t ‘Pander to Anti-Vaxxers’ in 2008.

A viewing of the video from that appearance shows that interpretation is dead wrong. He contradicted the anti-vaccination viewpoint, and spoke out forthrightly and squarely in favor of childhood immunization and pretty much dismissed the autism link. Kudos to Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs for setting the record straight.

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393 comments

1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 12:10:43pm

AWARD-WINNING 158-IQ JOURNALISM!!!

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 12:13:36pm

Magical Balance Fairy downstairs.

3 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 12:14:21pm

The MBF really ought to go on the strike, because she’s obviously not getting paid enough to be working this hard.

4 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:15:11pm

Not the first time Vox has been this sloppy.
Meanwhile:
Chris Christie expressed concern about vaccine autism link in ‘09

5 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:15:28pm

The new Vox ‘balance’ looks like the old Fox ‘balance’

6 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 12:15:39pm

Wow.

7 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:17:23pm

He definitely doesn’t read much if he’s come to a conclusion already.

8 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:18:50pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

(2 that guy) Yeah, well, then debunk it, doofus.

9 meteor  Feb 2, 2015 12:20:26pm

Are you sure Vox isn’t the same thing as Fox? They’re spelled almost the same.

10 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 12:21:13pm
11 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 12:23:13pm
12 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:23:15pm

blog.washingtonpost.com

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor has supplied video which suggests that Obama may not have been referring to himself when he said that “some people” were suspicious about a connection between autism and childhood vaccinations. The video shows the candidate pointing to someone in the audience when he adds the words, “This person included.” Take a look the video below, and decide for yourself.
I agree that the video casts a somewhat different light on Obama’s remarks. On the other hand, Obama went on to describe the science as “inconclusive,” a statement at odds with several major studies looking at the alleged connection.

13 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 12:25:03pm

Vox is David Broder with a calculator.

14 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:26:30pm

More context:

“My goal is to fully fund special education,” Obama replied, starting off on a dissertation about funding for such children. He noted some statistics about how much the fed government pays for such educational funding.
Then he started talking about “early screening” for children, more medical testing to identify children who will have these special needs. Then Obama turned to autism, saying, “That’s s an area where our basic investment, our basic research has to increase. There are huge opportunities for us to figure out” how diseases occur, calling for more funding for research into the causes and potential cures for autism and other disease.
“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. [Points to someone in the audience.] The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. We can’t afford to junk our vaccine system, we have to figure out what’s happening. If we keep on seeing the increases in the rate we’re seeing, we’re never going to have enough money” to take care of these children.

15 OhNoZombies!  Feb 2, 2015 12:27:27pm

Why would it matter whether or not this site is pro Obama?
If you misrepresent what was said, it’s on you.
Grow up.

16 nines09  Feb 2, 2015 12:27:54pm

I recall Christie quarantining, forcibly, a nurse who returned from working with Ebola patients in West Africa. We must protect ourselves, and she’s sick, Uh, no she’s not.
But now it’s all about “choices”, and “rights” and government interfering with your family and…..Why was he concerned with a disease that is less easily spread than say, measles?

17 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 12:28:55pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Wow.

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Denying facts because they come from someone assumed to be pro-Obama.

Where have I heard that before?

18 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:30:35pm

re: #14 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. [Points to someone in the audience.] The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.

The whole assertion of pandering seems to rest on whether Obama was saying the reasons for the skyrocketing autism rate were inconclusive, or whether the connection to vaccines was inconclusive. Pretty thin.

19 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 12:30:42pm

So this just came into my time line:

20 Archangelus  Feb 2, 2015 12:30:57pm

Maybe its the fact that i’m on the other side of this rock we live on and generally seem to miss out on stuff, but what’s the deal with Vox? They seemed like a decent website a while back - was this observation in error?
Are they a “good” website (by the standards of those of you here whose opinions I’ve come to trust over the years) or are we talking about a Faux News/whackjob kind of site?

21 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 12:31:25pm

re:
#6

The LGF story is pro-Obama propaganda, the whole website is.

And irrelevant. Nobody goes there anymore.
//

22 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:31:43pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

Send ‘em: “Trust, but verify. Dissent, but vaccinate.”

23 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 12:32:13pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Wow.

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Such bullshit.

24 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 12:32:26pm
25 Jack Burton  Feb 2, 2015 12:33:29pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Wow.

@Maggyw519 @Green_Footballs I have. The LGF story is pro-Obama propaganda, the whole website is.

Well that’s OK, because his story is anti-Obama partisan hackery.

26 withak  Feb 2, 2015 12:33:39pm

SOCKPUPPETS!!!

27 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:34:50pm

Obama did commit a minor gaffe by claiming that the science is inconclusive. It wasn’t at the time, but those weren’t prepared remarks, and for all we know, Obama might have meant to say that those alleged studies were inconclusive. He also immediately said that the vaccination system on the whole is OK, and later clarified his position to leave no doubt that he supports vaccination.
Even if Vox wanted to interpret it as “pandering” (and there’s no evidence that it was), Vox is dishonest to omit the fact that “this person” wasn’t Obama and that Obama supported vaccination when asked directly.

28 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 12:35:00pm

re: #26 withak

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SOCKPUPPETS!!!

I Am not a Sock-puppet! I am really procrastinating at work!

29 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:35:43pm

I never can get my sock-puppets to match.

30 TedStriker  Feb 2, 2015 12:36:20pm

re: #29 jaunte

I never can get my sock-puppets to match.

Is that because the dryer keeps eating them?

31 withak  Feb 2, 2015 12:37:07pm

re: #20 Archangelus

I’ve read some decent pieces on Vox; I guess I’ll be paying a lot more attention to the bylines there from now on.

32 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:37:22pm

If you want to pander to anti-vaxxers, you don’t claim that “we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system” in the same breath.

33 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:37:27pm

re: #26 withak

“Stop spoiling Ant’s balanced pandering story!!”

34 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 12:37:48pm

re: #20 Archangelus

Maybe its the fact that i’m on the other side of this rock we live on and generally seem to miss out on stuff, but what’s the deal with Vox? They seemed like a decent website a while back - was this observation in error?
Are they a “good” website (by the standards of those of you here whose opinions I’ve come to trust over the years) or are we talking about a Faux News/whackjob kind of site?

No, its not a rightwing hack website. Matthew Yglesias, for example, writes serious articles on the economy with a very liberal bent.

35 Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2015 12:38:22pm

Lol. Sockpuppets.

36 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:38:48pm

re: #20 Archangelus

Just sometimes very sloppy.

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 12:39:03pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Lol. Sockpuppets.

Sockpuppets with tridents on their head!
/ :p

38 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 12:39:14pm

Who is this Anthony DeRosa person? Surely not a hard working conservative Patriot America who’s working too hard to spend time on twitter.

39 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 12:39:32pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Wow.

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40 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 12:40:32pm
41 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:40:38pm

re: #38 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Just someone with a story hook that doesn’t want to see it critiqued.

42 #FergusonFireside  Feb 2, 2015 12:40:52pm

re: #29 jaunte

I never can get my sock-puppets to match.

I have 13 sock puppets behind my dryer.

43 Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2015 12:41:00pm

We are all Charles talking to himself.
Or pancakes.
Biscuits even.
Yeppers!

44 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:41:31pm

re: #42 #FergusonFireside

I gave mine up for Lint.

45 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 12:42:28pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

46 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:42:29pm

This guy is completely dishonest.

There was one anti there, whom Obama had to point out with a finger. It wasn’t “in front of anti-vaxxers”.

47 Jack Burton  Feb 2, 2015 12:42:38pm

re: #27 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Exactly, I’m not giving Obama a complete pass on this, the Wakefield study wasn’t proven a complete fraud, but many other studies showed the results were at best just plain wrong at that point. No one could say the science was inconclusive unless you were paying no attention or already dug into the bullshit camp at that point. (Obama was most likely in the former camp). Dumb shit like this is part of a list of the few legitimate reasons reasons I didn’t like him in 2008 or his first year-ish in office. (There were a lot of dumb reasons based on bullshit as well and I freely admit that.)

That being said, this dude is clearly trying to make Obama look like he flip flopped from Jenny McCarthy to Bill Nye over night for political expediency and that is weapons-grade bullshit.

48 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 12:42:43pm

If I’m just one of Charles’ sock-puppets, shouldn’t my guitar playing be a bit better? :)

49 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 12:44:11pm

re: #48 A Cranky One

If I’m just one of Charles sock-puppets, shouldn’t my guitar playing be a bit better :)

It’s probably better than mine. I can only remember a couple of chords without looking at fingering diagrams. I am getting better though.

50 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 12:44:33pm

“Vegan Social Justice Anti Vaxxer” is blocked.

51 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 12:44:39pm

You mean all of you have been just Charles all of this time?

I must admit that I am rather impressed.

52 Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2015 12:44:49pm

I am completely musically inept.
Some sock.

53 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 12:45:18pm

re: #48 A Cranky One

re: #49 No Country For Old Haters

You’re both better guitar players than me. I can’t think of the last time I held a guitar, much less tried to learn a chord.

54 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:45:22pm

re: #51 b.d.

You mean all of you have been just Charles all of this time?

I must admit that I am rather impressed.

Je suis Charles.

55 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 12:45:31pm

re:
#51

You, too. That’s what’s even more impressive. //

56 BeachDem  Feb 2, 2015 12:46:07pm

re: #18 jaunte

The whole assertion of pandering seems to rest on whether Obama was saying the reasons for the skyrocketing autism rate were inconclusive, or whether the connection to vaccines was inconclusive. Pretty thin.

And who exactly would he have been pandering to? Was the Jenny McCarthy voting bloc that important?//

In California, the hotbed of anti-vaxxer loons, Obama won by 24 points in 2008, so I don’t think he was “pandering” to anyone.

57 Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2015 12:46:17pm

re: #50 The Vicious Babushka

“Vegan Social Justice Anti Vaxxer” is blocked.

Same. Way too much stoopid.

58 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 12:46:48pm

What an asshole.

59 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:48:05pm

re: #56 BeachDem

I think the author just wanted to do a ‘balance’ story and so he did. Now he’s going to dig in and defend a poorly thought out position.

60 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 12:48:11pm

Is this the event in question?

c-span.org

61 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 12:48:24pm

re: #53 Lidane

You’re both better guitar players than me. I can’t think of the last time I held a guitar, much less tried to learn a chord.

I failed utterly the last time I tried to learn to play, but am doing better this time. Strumming just 4 or 5 strings without hitting the others used to seem impossible, now I get it right more often than not, both strumming up and down. It’s just a matter of practicing at least every other day.

62 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:49:04pm
The New York Times called De Rosa the “undisputed King of Tumblr” in October 2011.[1]

I think there’s some mockery potential there.

63 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 12:49:26pm

Meanwhile, in the Third World:

I’ll say it again — it’s infuriating that while parents outside the US will walk for miles to get vaccines for their kids, we’re stuck with a bunch of fucking morons in this country who’d rather expose their kids to deadly diseases because ZOMG BIG PHARMA or ZOMG GUBMINT PLOT instead.

What the fuck, America?

64 Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2015 12:49:27pm

re: #62 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I think there’s some mockery potential there.

Hahahaha.

65 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 12:49:47pm

re: #60 Gus

Is this the event in question?

c-span.org

Could be. Watching now.

66 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:50:18pm

Your Majesty King of Tumblr, I’m My Majesty King of Mars.

67 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 12:51:36pm

re: #59 jaunte

I think the author just wanted to do a ‘balance’ story and so he did. Now he’s going to dig in and defend a poorly thought out position.

People do this far too often. They tie up their whole ego in delusional beliefs, so can’t handle attempts to get them back to reality. They just spin up more delusions to deny their initial failure. It’s funny and sad at the same time.

68 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 12:51:52pm

Another video.

69 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 2, 2015 12:52:28pm

Well, this sockpuppet is going back to spending time with her sockhusband.

Check in with you all later. Please deposit the best skewerings here. :)

70 Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2015 12:55:13pm

re: #68 Gus

Jebus, look how young he looks there and it was only 7 years ago. Poor, guy.

71 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 12:56:06pm

Well, here’s why DeRosa is spouting this defensive bullshit and insults at me (thanks to Gus): twitter.com

72 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 12:56:10pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Seems like an awful lot of these new breed journalists are more interested in preserving their egos than being accurate.

Kinda looks like you have uncovered a Tender Snowflake.

/

73 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:56:27pm
“…Then, too, Mr. Mnookin said, scientists don’t always do themselves favors in their choice of language. They tend to shun absolutes, and lean more toward constructions on the order of: There is no vaccine-autism link “to the best of our knowledge” or “as far as we know.” Those sorts of qualifiers leave room for doubters to question how much the lab guys do, in fact, know.”
nytimes.com

Scientists, always pandering to conservative voters.

74 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 12:56:48pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Oh.

75 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 12:57:16pm

No wonder he whipped out the sockpuppet insult.

76 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 12:57:23pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Well, here’s why DeRosa is spouting this defensive bullshit and insults at me (thanks to Gus): twitter.com

Oh, a slobbering Glennbot

77 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 12:58:06pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Well, here’s why DeRosa is spouting this defensive bullshit and insults at me (thanks to Gus): twitter.com

Anthony DeDudebro

78 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 12:58:15pm

79 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 12:58:40pm

Thor and Odin are on the rebound:

80 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 12:59:07pm
81 BeachDem  Feb 2, 2015 12:59:41pm

And yet another anti-vax/pro-chiropractic moron is heard from:

“There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.

After researching the issue and reading information from a national anti-vaccine group, Ms. McDonald said she and her husband, a chiropractor, decided to raise their four children without vaccines.

wonkette.com

82 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 1:00:36pm

re:
#59

Looks like Sarah Kliff was the Vox author. For whom does this DeRosa fella wrote?

The Vox article has also been updated to include LGF’s post.

83 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 1:00:43pm

re: #80 Gus

April 21, 2008 Obama Pittsburgh - YouTube

Anyone found at what point in the video Obama made his comment yet?

84 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 1:00:52pm

“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There are some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like Polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. Because if we keep on seeing increases at the rate we’re seeing we’re never going to have enough money to provide all the special needs, special education funding that’s going to be necessary.”

85 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:02:04pm

re: #82 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#59

The Vox article has also been updated to include LGF’s post.

Well, kudos, I guess. Sorta.

86 lawhawk  Feb 2, 2015 1:02:30pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

There’s a hole in your sock. /

87 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 1:03:48pm

re: #84 Gus

Calling this support for anti-vax falls well within the spectrum of ODS-related symptoms. For which there is no vaccine.

88 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 1:04:46pm

re: #82 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“…This suggests Obama wasn’t referring to himself when he made the remark. And the blog Little Green Footballs points out times in the Obama candidacy when he was markedly pro-vaccine. At the same time, Obama did go on to describe the research on vaccines and autism as inconclusive at a point when scientists had found the opposite: that there was no link between the two...”

They forgot to add ‘so nyaah-nyaah’ at the end.

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:05:09pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

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Let them “dissent”. Then charge them with murder when they cause someone to die from a preventable disease.

90 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 1:05:28pm

re: #88 jaunte

They forgot to add ‘so nyaah-nyaah’ at the end.

ILLEVERANT!!

91 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:06:05pm

re: #84 Gus

There you go. He was very obviously referring to the person who asked the question. And the full statement is much more pro-vaccine than it’s being pictured as.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:06:22pm

re: #48 A Cranky One

If I’m just one of Charles’ sock-puppets, shouldn’t my guitar playing be a bit better? :)

Gawd, I _wish_ it worked that way! I’d already have my Telecaster & know how to shred it!

93 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 1:06:44pm

re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis

Let them “dissent”. Then charge them with murder when they cause someone to die from a preventable disease.

Or at least not let them enroll children in public schools. Which is probably fine for most of them, anyways…Homeskool Roolz!!!

94 lawhawk  Feb 2, 2015 1:06:46pm

re: #63 Lidane

People in the third world - in places like Nigeria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan have to not only walk miles to get vaccinated in some instances, but they have to worry about being targeted by terrorists who think that the vaccination teams are going to do bad things to these people (sterilization or worse), so their solution is to kill the teams and anyone who might be helping them.

Polio is still a known scourge in these parts of the world - because we can’t eradicate the bugger.

Meanwhile, scientists are working on a malaria vaccine that would reduce the millions of cases worldwide. And ebola vaccine trials are underway as well. Each of which would save countless lives.

These idiots want to roll it back.

95 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 1:07:05pm

If I’m going to be a sockpuppet then I demand a jazzy ponytail.

96 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 1:07:09pm

re:
#88

At the same time, Obama did go on to describe the research on vaccines and autism as inconclusive at a point when scientists had found the opposite: that there was no link between the two…

That’s it. Revoke Obama’s two terms. //

97 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:07:49pm

re: #88 jaunte

Even assuming the worst interpretation, OK, Obama might not have paid attention to this particular issue at that time and may have heard about some “studies or something”, and used the politician-speak here. OK, shit happens. What counts is the capacity to learn and correct past mistakes. I think there’s no doubt about Obama on that score. Oh, and that’s still far from pandering.

98 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 2, 2015 1:08:16pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Well, here’s why DeRosa is spouting this defensive bullshit and insults at me (thanks to Gus): twitter.com

Oh….he’s a dude bro…that explains it.

99 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 1:08:39pm

re: #95 b.d.

If I’m going to be a sockpuppet then I demand a jazzy ponytail.

I can’t seem to find mine. Perhaps if I take the sock off my head?

100 #FergusonFireside  Feb 2, 2015 1:08:58pm

Thing is, the vaccination discussion has devolved to another attack on Obama.

It is fucking clinical.

101 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:09:23pm

re: #79 Lidane

Thor and Odin are on the rebound:

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Just so it isn’t those Asatru scum.

102 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 1:09:23pm

re:
#98

A wide range of scholarly and reputable research has found direct links between dudebroism and idiocy.

103 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 1:10:06pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

There you go. He was very obviously referring to the person who asked the question. And the full statement is much more pro-vaccine than it’s being pictured as.

Yes. He’s talking about autism. Only mentions people that are “suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers” autism. But he’s focused on autism and is pro-vaccine. I don’t see how this qualifies as “pandering to anti-vaxxers.”

104 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 1:11:02pm

re: #97 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I’d like to see some polling/research on the relative power of pandering on this issue for conservative vs. liberal politicans. I suspect the woo-woo antivaxxer vote on the Democratic side is a tiny percentage, and the ‘government can’t tell me what to do” vote on the GOP side significant.

105 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 1:11:09pm

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or at least not let them enroll children in public schools. Which is probably fine for most of them, anyways…Homeskool Roolz!!!

Now if we could just keep them out of public venues like Disneyland, sporting events, shopping malls…

106 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:11:28pm

The full statement makes it clear that when Obama said, “the science is inconclusive,” he was referring to the research into the causes of autism.

107 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 1:11:42pm
108 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 1:12:07pm

I will add one more defense of Vox in general, not this article in particular, because I do learn a lot of valuable stuff there. For example, an article there, which you would never, ever see on Fox News, about how Obamacare is saving hundreds of billions of dollars.

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:12:22pm

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or at least not let them enroll children in public schools. Which is probably fine for most of them, anyways…Homeskool Roolz!!!

Don’t get me started. I have a very very hard time with homeschooling. I do know some valid reasons for it (one of my son’s best friends in Madison is now being homeschooled by very lefty parents because the district refused to do anything about bullying) but so many of it are using it as an excuse to destroy their children’s minds.

110 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:12:37pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Excellent! The right wing is going to have a massive meltdown over this. Should be fun.

111 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 1:12:48pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Yes. But Obama said something different in…

112 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:13:16pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Out-fucking-standing!

113 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:14:38pm

re: #79 Lidane

Thor and Odin are on the rebound:

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Of course they are. The Almighty Johnsons has run for 3 seasons now.

114 Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2015 1:15:38pm

re: #107 Kragar

SLAVERY!! TRYANNY! WE WANT CORPORATIONS 2 REGULATE OUR INTERNET SPEEDZZZ!!!

115 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 1:16:25pm

TEH HORROR!!!!! TEH HORROR!!!!!

116 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:17:05pm

re: #101 William Barnett-Lewis

Just so it isn’t those Asatru scum.

Don’t know much about them, but having read a bit now, seems like there are different currents, some racist, some universalist, i.e. no more harmful than Wicca.

117 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 1:18:01pm

We have to wear seat belts in our vehicles—and provide the proper seats for our children as they grow, by law. People didn’t like that at first, but it’s been proved that seatbelts and proper seating for kids save lives. We don’t have a “choice”. Furthermore, we don’t have a “choice” of beating our children, starving our children, exposing our children to conditions that constitute neglect or other abuse. It’s the law.

There are many laws that protect us, our children and us from each other in many situations.

I won’t be happy until these anti-vaxxer types are reined in by legal means when it means that by their neglect we’re seeing an increase in disease and to protect everyone else from them.

And I want no exemptions for “religious” or “philosophical” reasons, only genuine, verified medical ones. If they don’t like it, they can find other means to educate their kids.

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:20:05pm

re: #116 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Don’t know much about them, but having read a bit now, seems like there are different currents, some racist, some universalist, i.e. no more harmful than Wicca.

Yeah, these people seem like decent folk. The others I mentioned use Norse Neopaganism as an excuse for their racism and hate.

119 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 1:20:05pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Not to worry, the GOP has a fix for that:

House Republican unveils bill to limit FCC’s net neutrality plans

120 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 1:20:15pm
121 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 1:20:39pm

re:
#115

So “overseas cash piles” are supposed to be good? /

122 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 1:20:55pm

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

Now if we could just keep them out of public venues like Disneyland, sporting events, shopping malls…

They should be barred by law from going to venues like pools and parks where lots of other kids will be present. Put up big signs, with the primary purpose of creating social pressure to get kids vaccinated.

123 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:21:11pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

TEH HORROR!!!!! TEH HORROR!!!!!

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Wingnuts live in an alternate reality where having the wealthy hide assets so the rest of us have to pay more is desirable. You can always count on them to want to harm themselves if it helps the super-rich.

124 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 1:21:32pm

re: #121 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#115

So “overseas cash piles” are supposed to be good? /

Yeah, doesn’t seem to bolster his argument.

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:21:33pm

re: #120 Kragar

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No, though this fairly highly educated Christian does have a case of “stupid-idiot-phobia” that prevents me from watching FOX.

126 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 1:21:47pm

re: #120 Kragar

Fox’s Tucker Carlson thinks “Christianphobia” is “super common among educated people”

It is the same sort of infantile, foot-stomping response you get to Black History Month…

127 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:21:51pm
128 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 1:21:56pm

re: #122 aagcobb

They should be barred by law from going to venues like pools and parks where lots of other kids will be present. Put up big signs, with the primary purpose of creating social pressure to get kids vaccinated.

HURR HURR WE’RE BEIN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!! NEXT THEY’LL WANT US TO WEAR STARS ON ARE CLOTHES!!!1!!!!

129 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 1:22:11pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

TEH HORROR!!!!! TEH HORROR!!!!!

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Good, it’s about time.

130 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:22:23pm
131 #FergusonFireside  Feb 2, 2015 1:22:29pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Y A Y

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 1:22:31pm

re: #101 William Barnett-Lewis

Just so it isn’t those Asatru scum.

Asatru in general for some reason, or the sub-group that is folkish in nature and thus has been picked up by a lot of white supremicists?

133 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:22:35pm

re: #120 Kragar

134 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 1:22:39pm

re:
#120

Fox’s Tucker Carlson thinks “Christianphobia” is “super common among educated people

This week is already approaching max derpage. And it’s only Monday.

135 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 1:23:08pm

re: #123 No Country For Old Haters

Wingnuts live in an alternate reality where having the wealthy hide assets so the rest of us have to pay more is desirable. You can always count on them to want to harm themselves if it helps the super-rich.

If we would only allow them to bring this money home without taxing it, the billionaires would trickle it down on the rest of us.///

136 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:23:13pm

re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis

To be honest, I have also heard of “Asatru” mostly in racist/extremist context, but that’s also logical, because assholes are usually the loudest. Sort of like when one is not an American, one usually thinks that Mormons are some polygamous dudes.

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 1:23:41pm

re: #107 Kragar

And the Congressional bill to prevent the FCC from doing so, or cut their funding so that they are unable to do so, will hit Obama’s desk at what time on Friday?
///

138 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 1:23:41pm

re: #129 Tigger2

Good it’s about time.

I even clicked through to Dim Jim to read why this is a bad thing. Apparently this only affects the humongous corporations like Apple, Microsoft, GE, etc. that shovel billions offshore.

139 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:24:10pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

It’s straight-up Politico, MBF material. Of course they would.

140 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:24:50pm

re: #139 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s straight-up Politico, MBF material. Of course they would.

Well, they do have a big wingnut audience to pander to. Have you seen the insane comments over there?

141 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 1:25:30pm

re:
#138

Hurr hurr, Je Suis Apple, Microsoft!!!

142 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 1:25:38pm

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Calling this support for anti-vax falls well within the spectrum of ODS-related symptoms. For which there is no vaccine.

Ain’t no cure for stupid.

143 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:25:40pm

re: #140 No Country For Old Haters

They’re wishy-washy center-right folks pretending to be in the center.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:26:34pm

re: #132 Feline Fearless Leader

Asatru in general for some reason, or the sub-group that is folkish in nature and thus has been picked up by a lot of white supremicists?

Only ones I’ve ever dealt with are seriously hardcore racists. If there are others using that name, they have my apologies.

145 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 1:26:52pm

It’s pretty clear that if Obama’s pointing to someone in the audience that she/he had already approached him about this.

146 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 1:26:56pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

I even clicked through to Dim Jim to read why this is a bad thing. Apparently this only affects the humongous corporations like Apple, Microsoft, GE, etc. that shovel billions offshore.

Corporations are hoarding about $2 trillion in cash, and Apple has the biggest stash of all since selling iPhones is like printing money. So much for trickle down.

147 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 1:27:04pm

re: #136 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

To be honest, I have also heard of “Asatru” mostly in racist/extremist context, but that’s also logical, because assholes are usually the loudest. Sort of like when one is not an American, one usually thinks that Mormons are some polygamous dudes.

Point taken.

148 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 1:27:10pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Along that same vein:

Majority of Broadband in W.Va. Doesn’t Meet Federal Speed Requirements

The new benchmark for downloads is 25 megabits per second, up from four megabits.

The new benchmark for uploads is three megabits per second, up from 1 megabit.

My eastern Kentucky “broadband” is nowhere near any of that.

149 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:27:23pm

re: #143 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

They’re wishy-washy center-right folks pretending to be in the center.

And that’s just the Democrats.

150 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 1:29:04pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

I even clicked through to Dim Jim to read why this is a bad thing. Apparently this only affects the humongous corporations like Apple, Microsoft, GE, etc. that shovel billions offshore.

I’m glad, I’m sick of seeing huge Corporations not paying their fair share and pushing the responsibility of funding the country off on the middle class and poor while they reap the benefits of doing business in America,

151 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 1:29:13pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Congratulations America. Welcome to the 21st Century.

152 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:29:39pm

Obama said:

There are some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but (pointing to his right) this person included.

He DID NOT SAY he was “suspicious.” Arrrgh.

153 aagcobb  Feb 2, 2015 1:29:45pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

Along that same vein:

Majority of Broadband in W.Va. Doesn’t Meet Federal Speed Requirements

My eastern Kentucky “broadband” is nowhere near any of that.

In Frankfort we have the benefits of socialism and we get cable and internet from the Frankfort Plant Board, so we have 30 meg, which is pretty good for such a small city, I think.

154 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 1:30:15pm

“Suspicious device neutralized” in Atlanta, snarling traffic:

11alive.com

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 1:30:22pm

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

Only ones I’ve ever dealt with are seriously hardcore racists. If there are others using that name, they have my apologies.

I know a few personally. I have never delved deeply into where their belief falls in the spectrum but from the same Wikipedia articles that I think the others have read I would think the one is definitely a universalist. Another I think is more of a “tribalism” base point based on some blog posts.

156 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 1:30:45pm

re: #120 Kragar

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Tucker? You are such a douche.

157 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:30:49pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

Because who the fuck needs fact-checking.

158 Iwouldprefernotto  Feb 2, 2015 1:30:56pm

re: #153 aagcobb

In Frankfort we have the benefits of socialism and we get cable and internet from the Frankfort Plant Board, so we have 30 meg, which is pretty good for such a small city, I think.

In Brooklyn we have Time Warner. It’s better than dial-up.

159 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 1:31:45pm

A guy with a shovel just knocked on my door. I felt bad about sending him away, but I am waiting for the freaking snowplow. It would take about a thousand hours to clear my circular driveway with a fucking shovel.

160 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 1:32:00pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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Obama said:

He DID NOT SAY he was “suspicious.” Arrrgh.

If he and FLOTUS were suspicious of vaccines, why are the Obama girls vaccinated completelely?

Making up shit out of absolutely nothing. It’s what the racist RW does.

161 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:32:22pm
162 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 1:32:31pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

Along that same vein:

Majority of Broadband in W.Va. Doesn’t Meet Federal Speed Requirements

My eastern Kentucky “broadband” is nowhere near any of that.

Speaking of which, check your email.

163 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 1:32:59pm

Was wondering when the cruise ship ad during the SB would get a response from the creationists.

Raw Story

164 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 1:33:14pm
165 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 2, 2015 1:33:41pm

re:
#159

How many inches/feet you get?

166 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:34:27pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

167 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 1:34:32pm
168 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 2, 2015 1:35:31pm

more sock puppets?

169 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:35:59pm

Shit gets old.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 1:36:21pm

re: #153 aagcobb

In Frankfort we have the benefits of socialism and we get cable and internet from the Frankfort Plant Board, so we have 30 meg, which is pretty good for such a small city, I think.

my current DSL “Lite” connection speeds according to my Windstream diagnostics:

grrr…….

171 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:36:25pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

172 Iwouldprefernotto  Feb 2, 2015 1:36:40pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

chopping down bullshit

173 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:37:35pm

re: #171 No Country For Old Haters

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Wouldn’t have it any other way.

174 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 1:37:37pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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Well, I owe you an apology, at any rate. Sorry about that.

175 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:37:38pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

my current DSL “Lite” connection speeds according to my Windstream diagnostics:

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grrr…….

Ouch. I have a friend who’s still on DSL, so I have to wait forever for him to download a game. My cable is 200/20. I pay a lot for it, but it’s worth it.

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 1:39:32pm

re: #163 A Cranky One

Was wondering when the cruise ship ad during the SB would get a response from the creationists.

Raw Story

My comment last night to that ad airing was “I didn’t come from no sea-monkeys”. Expected there would be a nut outcry within a day or so.

177 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 1:39:38pm

re: #175 No Country For Old Haters

My cable is 50/5. It’s pretty sweet for the price.

I still say that the internet should be a utility, not a luxury. We should have a massive public infrastructure for it and give people the ability to buy whatever level of service they want without having to sign on with Time Warner or Comcast.

178 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:40:19pm

Hell if anything Obama’s 2008 statement is consistent in what he’s saying now. So what have we got. Another anti-Obama fauxrage.

179 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 1:40:22pm

Just checked our Charter speed: 15 ms, with 66 mbps download.

180 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 2, 2015 1:40:28pm

I am a sockpuppet.

I am also Spartacus.

181 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 1:40:44pm

That sound you hear is Shep Smith having another stopped clock moment:

182 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 1:40:44pm

re: #172 Iwouldprefernotto

chopping down bullshit

Grows faster than kudzu.

183 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 1:40:54pm
184 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:41:14pm

re: #163 A Cranky One

Was wondering when the cruise ship ad during the SB would get a response from the creationists.

Raw Story

Yeah I saw that one and I imagine it pissed them off. It pissed me off too. For the only reason that I won’t be seeing the ocean for at the very least another 4 1/2 months.

185 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:41:43pm

re: #181 Lidane

That sound you hear is Shep Smith having another stopped clock moment:

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That’s okay. Hannity and O’Reilly will be there to fix Shep’s “boo-boo.”

186 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 1:42:28pm

re: #180 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

I am a sockpuppet.

I am also Spartacus.

They just readded that to Netflix.

Cons: Cheesy CGI settings, ridiculous fight scenes
Pros: Lucy Lawless is hot

187 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:42:42pm

What’s darkly humorous to me are these people are the same ones who were flipping out over the response to Ebola yet if there was an Ebola vaccine, they’d flip out over that too. Fuckers just choose to be paranoid.

188 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 1:42:58pm

re: #165 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#159

How many inches/feet you get?

14”

189 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 1:43:21pm

re: #166 No Country For Old Haters

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Politico is starting to sound like a Rightwing rag more and more every day, I have never liked Politico because I always thought the had a rightward lean to them.

190 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 1:43:58pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

That’s okay. Hannity and O’Reilly will be there to fix Shep’s “boo-boo.”

Hannity will chew out “progressives” because apparently Fox now thinks they’re responsible for anti-vaxxers or are anti-vaxxers, while Bill’O will haul in some two-bit “expert” to say the President is wrong for saying on Sunday that kids need to be vaccinated.

191 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 1:44:56pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

my current DSL “Lite” connection speeds according to my Windstream diagnostics:

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grrr…….

Well, at least they got the “Lite” part right.

A friend of mine has Verizon DSL and they’re going to have to pry it from his cold dead mouse. 5MB up and down. He doesn’t live as remotely as I’m under the impression you do, but he’s still in an area that ain’t exactly a bustling metropolis.

Echoing everyone else for a call for a TVA moment for internet access.

192 Jack Burton  Feb 2, 2015 1:45:09pm

After watching that video I take back my earlier comment. The part about Obama should have known better, not that part about the dudebro’s story being weapons-grade bullshit.

This wasn’t one of those times where Obama said something questionable while running a campaign. I was wrong.

See, dudebros, wingnuts, and moonbats… it’s not that hard. You should try it sometime.

193 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:45:31pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Hannity will chew out “progressives” because apparently Fox now thinks they’re responsible for anti-vaxxers or are anti-vaxxers, while Bill’O will haul in some two-bit “expert” to say the President is wrong for saying on Sunday that kids need to be vaccinated.

How did you get Roger Ailes’ daily directives for FNC for today! But yeah I see that Kennedy the former MTV VJ is already blaming irrational progressives for this and totally ignoring that there’s plenty of anti-vaxx kooks on the right too. I expect they’re going to run with the debunked Vox story to do the MBF on this.

194 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:45:38pm

re: #189 Tigger2

Politico is starting to sound like a Rightwing rag more and more every day, I have never liked Politico because I always thought the had a rightward lean to them.

I find that it varies. Some stories are sane, some are complete bullshit, and the comments always include a lot of people who live in wingnut alternate-reality.

195 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 1:46:09pm

SNOW PLOW IS HERE!

196 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:46:31pm

There’s so much self-righteous egotistical bullshit in journalism. I guess it’s not too surprising.

197 Mattand  Feb 2, 2015 1:46:32pm

re: #181 Lidane

That sound you hear is Shep Smith having another stopped clock moment:

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Still say Shep’s stopped clock moments are scripted, like every other on air moment at Bullshit Mountain.

198 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:46:47pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

How did you get Roger Ailes’ daily directives for FNC for today! But yeah I see that Kennedy the former MTV VJ is already blaming irrational progressives for this and totally ignoring that there’s plenty of anti-vaxx kooks on the right too. I expect they’re going to run with the debunked Vox story to do the MBF on this.

She sucked as a VJ, and has not improved. Martha Quinn FTW.

199 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:47:00pm

re: #194 No Country For Old Haters

I find that it varies. Some stories are sane, some are complete bullshit, and the comments always include a lot of people who live in wingnut alternate-reality.

To be fair, you can find those on YouTube and Yahoo as well.

200 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:47:29pm

re: #198 No Country For Old Haters

She sucked as a VJ, and has not improved. Martha Quinn FTW.

I remember hearing her compare Ron Paul to Nirvana last year and I just remember thinking “The hell did you just say”.

201 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 1:47:39pm

re: #197 Mattand

Still say Shep’s stopped clock moments are scripted, like every other on air moment at Bullshit Mountain.

Of course they are. He’s the designated “sane voice” on Fox.

202 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 1:47:51pm

re: #197 Mattand

Still say Shep’s stopped clock moments are scripted, like every other on air moment at Bullshit Mountain.

Ailes keeps Smith around for plausible deniability. Whenever the network gets accused of being too batshit, he trots out Shep to have one of his moments, then plows on with the propaganda.

203 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:48:47pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

Ailes keeps Smith around for plausible deniability. Whenever the network gets accused of being too batshit, he trots out Shep to have one of his moments, then plows on with the propaganda.

Sounds about right to me.

204 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:49:09pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

To be fair, you can find those on YouTube and Yahoo as well.

Sure, but YouTube has the dumbest comments on the Internet for a site not devoted to wingnuts, since it attracts illiterate people. Yahoo isn’t much better. Yahoo Answers is kind of interesting, because it’s stupid answers to stupid questions, for and by complete yahoos.

205 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 1:49:13pm

ANTI-VAXXERS ARE LIBRUL VEGAN HIPPIES!

Oh, wait:

206 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:49:48pm

re: #204 No Country For Old Haters

Sure, but YouTube has the dumbest comments on the Internet for a site not devoted to wingnuts, since it attracts illiterate people. Yahoo isn’t much better. Yahoo Answers is kind of interesting, because it’s stupid answers to stupid questions, for and by complete yahoos.

Heh true.

207 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:50:38pm

re: #205 Lidane

ANTI-VAXXERS ARE LIBRUL VEGAN HIPPIES!

Oh, wait:

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Nothing says progressive like Phyillis Schalfry. Said no one ever.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 1:51:18pm

re: #162 Kragar

Speaking of which, check your email.

answered!

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 1:52:56pm

re: #204 No Country For Old Haters

Sure, but YouTube has the dumbest comments on the Internet for a site not devoted to wingnuts, since it attracts illiterate people. Yahoo isn’t much better. Yahoo Answers is kind of interesting, because it’s stupid answers to stupid questions, for and by complete yahoos.

ESPN. Lots of “yay <sports team>” advocates who seem to think the only allowed verbs are “rock” and “suck”.

YouTube is pretty bad I admit.

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 1:53:14pm

re: #175 No Country For Old Haters

Ouch. I have a friend who’s still on DSL, so I have to wait forever for him to download a game. My cable is 200/20. I pay a lot for it, but it’s worth it.

no cable here in the backwoods…DSL Lite is the only option other than dial-up.

:(

211 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 1:53:27pm

Eagle Forum: The GOP’s Favorite Anti-Vaccine Group

rightwingwatch.org

212 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 1:53:37pm

The anti-vaxxers seem to be libertarians to a man. The spinning of them as “liberals” or “progressives” seems fucking hilarious in light of the fact that libertarians have been one of the major driving forces behind the denial of science in favor of “choice.”

Second-hand smoke? “I’m not harming others!”

No health insurance? “My bills are my responsibility!”

Transfats? “I should be able to eat what I want!”

Vaccinations? “The government can’t force me to vaccinate my kids!”

Progressives tend to focus too much on the common good to think that millions of kids running around unvaccinated is a good idea.

213 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 1:54:17pm

re: #205 Lidane

ANTI-VAXXERS ARE LIBRUL VEGAN HIPPIES!

Oh, wait:

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Woops! Beat me to it!

214 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 1:54:44pm
215 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 1:55:38pm

re: #214 Kragar

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I really am beginning to wonder if Ron is beginning to suffer the onset of dementia. And no, I’m not joking, I really do think the man is beginning to lose grip with reality.

216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 1:55:59pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Progressives tend to focus too much on the common good to think that millions of kids running around unvaccinated is a good idea.

By that logic there would have been no progressive anti-GMO types either. Alas…

217 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:56:03pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

The anti-vaxxers seem to be libertarians to a man. The spinning of them as “liberals” or “progressives” seems fucking hilarious in light of the fact that libertarians have been one of the major driving forces behind the denial of science in favor of “choice.”

Second-hand smoke? “I’m not harming others!”

No health insurance? “My bills are my responsibility!”

Transfats? “I should be able to eat what I want!”

Vaccinations? “The government can’t force me to vaccinate my kids!”

Progressives tend to focus too much on the common good to think that millions of kids running around unvaccinated is a good idea.

There are some progressive anti-vaxxer types but I agree with you, the movement at heart is a libertarian movement and Ron/Rand Paul’s statements on the issue pretty much illustrate the mindset which is they don’t want the government telling them what to do with their bodies and hey that’s great——————-except Ron and Rand are ignoring that these vaccines are for contagious diseases and the fact that Ron/Rand Paul do want the government involved when it comes to women being able to control their own bodies.

218 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:56:34pm

re: #214 Kragar

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For someone who supposedly retired, Ron Paul sure doesn’t seem retired.

219 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 1:56:41pm

We’re just a bunch of lion sockpuppets.

Lion Sock Puppets!
220 Jack Burton  Feb 2, 2015 1:57:04pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

It’s mostly libertarians and/or anarchists, but where it overlaps with the left is the distrust of “Big Pharma” and their brand of natural organic GMO free bullshit.

Distrust of government and distrust of corporations coming together to help build an even better brand of bullshit.

221 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:57:09pm

re: #216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

By that logic there would have been no progressive anti-GMO types either. Alas…

Yeah that bugs me.

222 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 1:57:13pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Well, seems to me that there are a hell of a lot of Republicans posing as Libertarians, and vice versa. : )

“Left wing libertarians” are usually dudebro moonbats under the age of 30 and haven’t learned much yet. : )

223 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 1:58:16pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

I really am beginning to wonder if Ron is beginning to suffer the onset of dementia. And no, I’m not joking, I really do think the man is beginning to lose grip with reality.

How do you explain Rand being nearly as bad, and Ron’s support of racists for decades then? I think it’s ideological poisoning rather than dementia.

224 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 1:58:27pm

re: #220 Jack Burton

It’s mostly libertarians and/or anarchists, but where it overlaps with the left is the distrust of “Big Pharma” and their brand of natural organic GMO free bullshit.

Distrust of government and distrust of corporations coming together to help build an even better brand of bullshit.

Right, the left overlap comes in with the mistrust of big corporations. Now that said and despite Vox’s attempt to spin otherwise, the difference between the left and right here is that mainstream left wing candidates aren’t pandering to anti-vaxxers while mainstream right wing ones are.

225 Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2015 1:59:02pm

re: #216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

By that logic there would have been no progressive anti-GMO types either. Alas…

There’s some stupidity that crosses political boundaries. By the same measure there are some items on which there is good common ground, such as legalization for marijuana and other “soft” drugs. But for the most part, when I hear somebody arguing that it should be their “choice” to do something stupid, I’m dealing with a libertarian.

226 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 2, 2015 2:00:00pm

re: #214 Kragar

227 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 2:00:18pm

And just like that - boom! LGF does the needed research.

228 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:00:49pm

When I want kooky, I just look for Ron Paul’s opinion on the matter.

229 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 2:02:28pm
230 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 2:02:56pm

Wow, this guy.

231 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 2:03:30pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

When I want kooky, I just look for Ron Paul’s opinion on the matter.

Kooky!!!

Kooky monster
232 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:03:36pm

I wonder what the Brits really think of this clown bully?

233 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 2, 2015 2:03:41pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

If it’s about merely a choice, it’s probably a libertarian or a conservatarian. If it’s about “the science is not settled” or “scientists proved that vaccines kill” - it can be anyone.

234 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:04:31pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Wow, this guy.

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Talk about your fringe element…

235 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:05:42pm

re: #229 Kragar

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And let’s see the GOP’s response ot these calls. My bet. They’ll ignore it and then act like it’s Obama’s fault if things get worse. Kind of like how Benghazi is all Obama’s fault yet the House Republicans are the ones who cut embassy and consulate security funds.

236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2015 2:06:06pm

magical balance fairy doubling down and moving goalposts downstairs…

237 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:06:45pm

Well, shit.

News Corp. says the US Justice Department has told the company it will not prosecute alleged voice mail interceptions in London - @CNBCnow
end of alert

238 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:06:45pm

re: #231 A Cranky One

Kooky!!!

Image: Kooky monster

This episode of Sesame Street is brought to you by the letter F for Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom.

239 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 2:06:51pm

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

I wonder what the Brits really think of this clown bully?

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If that’s the PMs office it doesn’t look like to many of them wanted to talk to Christie either.

240 Jack Burton  Feb 2, 2015 2:07:26pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

I really am beginning to wonder if Ron is beginning to suffer the onset of dementia. And no, I’m not joking, I really do think the man is beginning to lose grip with reality.

IMO anyone who is hyper-partisan, regardless of which “team” they are on, is at least partially in a dream world. It requires denial of reality to some degree. When you are a hyper-partisan in kook-land, you can barely see reality with a telescope.

Edit: And Ron Paul has been in kook-land since the 70s.

241 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 2:07:33pm

I’m thinking there must be a way to sharpen my crystals under a pyramid full of incense.

242 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 2, 2015 2:07:43pm

The folks who still believe in the long-debunked vaccine/autism link are one of the embarrassments of the Left. A lot of them are parents of kids On The Spectrum who need it to be someone’s fault. I get that. I’d love to be able to pin the Older Boy’s ASD on a particular cause. But when we read a letter from his Grandmother’s college to her parents, or think about my Dad, or my sister - heck to be honest my whole fam-damily! - it’s clear where it came from.

243 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:08:01pm

re: #239 Tigger2

If that’s the PMs office it doesn’t look like to many of them wanted to talk to Christie either.

Well look at this way. If you were David Cameron, a man with some dignity, would you want to talk to the man who’s made his political bones by having temper tantrums at his constituents? And I remember Mitt being mocked by both PM Cameron and Mayor Johnson of London when he made snide remarks about London and the Olympics.

244 jaunte  Feb 2, 2015 2:08:13pm

re: #241 b_sharp

I think Dremel makes a burr for that.

245 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 2:10:07pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Well look at this way. If you were David Cameron, a man with some dignity, would you want to talk to the man who’s made his political bones by having temper tantrums at his constituents? And I remember Mitt being mocked by both PM Cameron and Mayor Johnson of London when he made snide remarks about London and the Olympics.

I wouldn’t have let him into my office in the first place.

246 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:10:39pm

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

The folks who still believe in the long-debunked vaccine/autism link are one of the embarrassments of the Left. A lot of them are parents of kids On The Spectrum who need it to be someone’s fault. I get that. I’d love to be able to pin the Older Boy’s ASD on a particular cause. But when we read a letter from his Grandmother’s college to her parents, or think about my Dad, or my sister - heck to be honest my whole fam-damily! - it’s clear where it came from.

I wish I could have a relative to see it in but here’s the thing. I don’t blame my ASD on vaccines. None of my siblings have vaccines and of all the people in my HS class that I graduated with that had ASD. The only other person with it was someone born on the opposite side of the country. I get that it’s tough for parents with children with autism not being able to understand the cause of what makes their child different but the scapegoating of vaccines, vaccines that have saved literally millions of lives isn’t the answer and it doesn’t help at all that you have celebrities with no medical training at all like Jenny McCarthy leading the charge.

247 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:10:46pm

re: #245 Tigger2

I wouldn’t have let him in my office in the first place.

What, and sink to Christie’s level?

248 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:11:13pm

re: #245 Tigger2

I wouldn’t have let him into my office in the first place.

I wouldn’t either. Maybe Cameron’s office thought Christie was Sasha Baron Cohen’s latest character.

249 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:11:51pm

re: #247 Justanotherhuman

What, and sink to Christie’s level?

Why not? They’re under no obligation to grant a visit to him. Cameron’s office could have used some excuse.

250 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 2:12:00pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

The anti-vaxxers seem to be libertarians to a man. The spinning of them as “liberals” or “progressives” seems fucking hilarious in light of the fact that libertarians have been one of the major driving forces behind the denial of science in favor of “choice.”

Second-hand smoke? “I’m not harming others!”

No health insurance? “My bills are my responsibility!”

Transfats? “I should be able to eat what I want!”

Vaccinations? “The government can’t force me to vaccinate my kids!”

Progressives tend to focus too much on the common good to think that millions of kids running around unvaccinated is a good idea.

ALL GLUTEN MUST BE BANNED!!!!1!!1!1!

251 #FergusonFireside  Feb 2, 2015 2:13:18pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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Business plan = Bad Obama

252 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 2:15:28pm

re: #247 Justanotherhuman

What, and sink to Christie’s level?

That’s not sinking to his level that standing up against someone that uses bullying tactics, and I would have told Christie and the press why I didn’t see him..

253 De Kolta Chair  Feb 2, 2015 2:18:33pm

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

I wonder what the Brits really think of this clown bully?

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“Crikey, Tony Soprano has really let himself go.”

254 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 2:18:50pm

re: #252 Tigger2

That’s not sinking to his level that standing up against someone that uses bulling tactics, and I would have told Christie and the press why I didn’t see him..

Should have just blocked traffic on London Bridge ;)

255 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:20:22pm

Endangering the Herd

The case for suing parents who don’t vaccinate their kids—or criminally charging them.

slate.com

Generally, it would seem that rather than suing the parents of an unvaccinated child, the parents of the child who contracted the disease from another would have to sue the school district, or other public facility, that allowed an un-vaccinated, sick child into the facility.

This would appear to be a decent case for requiring full vaccination records for any child attending public schools. Sometimes, push must come to shove.

256 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:21:28pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

re: #254 A Cranky One

OK, you convinced me. : )

257 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 2:22:07pm
258 brennant  Feb 2, 2015 2:23:01pm

re: #257 Kragar

Painful.

259 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:23:44pm

re: #257 Kragar

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I’m afraid I would have told him to STFU and let me finish. : )

260 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 2:24:18pm

re: #257 Kragar

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What an arrogant bastard.

261 dholmes32  Feb 2, 2015 2:24:36pm

re: #120 Kragar

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There’s a reason some people call him “F*ck*r Carlson”.

262 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 2:25:25pm

re: #260 Tigger2

What an arrogant bastard.

Wimmens should do what menfolk says.

263 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:25:57pm

re: #260 Tigger2

What an arrogant bastard.

He really does think he’s god-like, and he’s only running behind Jeb Bush by 1 pt in a survey I saw this am.

But—let him run, and get his ass trounced by a woman. : )

264 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 2:27:08pm

re: #220 Jack Burton

It’s mostly libertarians and/or anarchists, but where it overlaps with the left is the distrust of “Big Pharma” and their brand of natural organic GMO free bullshit.

Distrust of government and distrust of corporations coming together to help build an even better brand of bullshit.

Well, as I’ve said before I regard libertarianism as nothing more than a rebranding of anarchism, a marketing ploy. It cuts ‘libertarians’ off from anarchy’s rather awful history and it sets the debate to make it look like if you are arguing against ‘libertarianism’ then you are arguing against the very concept of liberty itself.

Clever of them. Unethical but clever.

265 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 2:27:17pm

re: #262 b_sharp

Wimmens should do what menfolk says.

I never could convince my wife of that hehe, I liked my face to much to even try.

266 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:28:48pm

Photo of device found duct-taped on downtown connector in Atlanta.

ajc.com

267 Jenner7  Feb 2, 2015 2:29:12pm

I knew right away when he said “this person included”, he was pointing to someone, not saying he was.

Media has to cover for Christie now??

268 A Cranky One  Feb 2, 2015 2:29:30pm

re: #265 Tigger2

I never could convince my wife of that hehe

Me: go fix me a sammich!
Spouse: What, are your legs broken?
Me: No.
Spouse: keep it up and they can be….

269 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 2:30:02pm

re: #222 Justanotherhuman

The 24 types of libertarians.

270 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 2:30:27pm
271 thedopefishlives  Feb 2, 2015 2:30:32pm

re: #268 A Cranky One

Me: go fix me a sammich!
Spouse: What, are your legs broken?
Me: No.
Spouse: keep it up and they can be….

Me: “Get in the kitchen and make me a sammich.”
Mrs. Fish: “Make your own damn sandwich.”

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim.

272 Jenner7  Feb 2, 2015 2:31:40pm

re: #257 Kragar

Wow, that condescending prick. Hey idiot liberals, you really want THAT in the WH??

273 ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2015 2:31:48pm

#120

This week is already approaching max derpage. And it’s only Monday.

Don’t look now, but we may be in a decade of derpage.

It started back in early 2008, or so.

274 Tigger2  Feb 2, 2015 2:32:16pm

re: #268 A Cranky One

Me: go fix me a sammich!
Spouse: What, are your legs broken?
Me: No.
Spouse: keep it up and they can be….

Yep My wife wouldn’t of even asked if my legs were broken she would have just kicked my ass. :))

275 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 2:32:17pm
276 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 2:33:16pm

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

I wonder what the Brits really think of this clown bully?

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They probably think he’s an American.

277 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:33:42pm

re: #273 ObserverArt

#134 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Don’t look now, but we may be in a decade of derpage.

It started back in early 2008, or so.

Well, that makes sense, when Hillary wins in 2016. But your estimate of a “decade of derpage” is about 6 yrs short, at least. : )

278 freetoken  Feb 2, 2015 2:33:44pm

What we’re seeing with the topic of vaccination is that the media is in the business of SELL! SELL! SELL! controversies, and will make a controversy where one really doesn’t exist.

I really don’t like how my society plays with these things, where money is to be made off of the misery other people suffer.

279 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 2:33:46pm

re: #271 thedopefishlives

Me: “Get in the kitchen and make me a sammich.”
Mrs. Fish: “Make your own damn sandwich.”

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim.

Me: “Can you make me a sandwich?”
My Youngest girl: “I dub thee sandwich. Congratulations.”

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 2:35:33pm

re: #275 Kragar

W-T-F??????????

281 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 2:35:49pm
282 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 2, 2015 2:36:17pm

re: #279 Kragar

Me: “Can you make me a sandwich?”
My Youngest girl: “I dub thee sandwich. Congratulations.”

Oh, that’s a good one. Congratulations on teaching her well.

283 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:36:25pm

re: #269 Romantic Heretic

The 24 types of libertarians.

Gawd, I know people of those types. They’re also the same ones who insist they can raise their kids exactly as they want—vaccinated or not, the same ones who “don’t take shit” from teachers, either, about their precious snowflakes who they use a leather strap on because, parents have all those rights, too, doncha know.

284 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 2, 2015 2:39:11pm

re: #273 ObserverArt

#134 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Don’t look now, but we may be in a decade of derpage.

It started back in early 2008, or so.

Seraphically unvaccinated and gluten-free, both of the remaining future US historians will categorize these times as “America: The Rock Ridge Years.”

285 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 2:41:37pm
286 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 2:46:01pm
287 TedStriker  Feb 2, 2015 2:46:41pm

re: #284 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Seraphically unvaccinated and gluten-free, both of the remaining future US historians will categorize these times as “America: The Rock Ridge Years.”

That clip never goes out of style…

288 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 2, 2015 2:47:30pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

Jim must forget that at least one of those companies has a gay CEO. GEY I TELLZ YA!!!!!

289 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:48:37pm

re: #286 Lidane

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Nobody? Hahahahaha…

290 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 2:48:51pm
291 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:50:08pm

re: #275 Kragar

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Is this the same Starbucks semen pastor?

292 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:50:40pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

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To save face, they should just yank that damned piece. But they probably won’t.

293 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 2:50:41pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Is this the same Starbucks semen pastor?

Probably

294 HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2015 2:51:13pm

re: #293 Kragar

Probably

If so, that dude’s got quite an imagination.

295 goddamnedfrank  Feb 2, 2015 2:52:03pm

All I’m saying is that CCJ’s defense of Israel and Netanyahu seems a touch disingenuous.

296 BeachDem  Feb 2, 2015 2:52:46pm

And of course, the anti-vax loon with the “pure children” who CNN trotted out for their MBF moment, is a “paleo cardiologist” (whatever the fuck that is) who, along with his chiropractor wife, is known as the “Doctors Wolfson.” In 2004, I met the most amazing woman who would soon become my wife. Heather is a chiropractor and has a heavy focus on nutrition and healthy, chemical free living. Since meeting her, I have changed my whole life and medical practice style…We practice attachment parenting, eat organic food, and instill a natural lifestyle into our children. -

He claims to prevent and treat cardiovascular disease with good nutrition, not medicines, believes vaccines may be the cause of leukemia, has some very reasonable rates/

Initial 75 minute consultation: $750 (includes ECG)
Phone consultation: starting at $750 for 75 minutes

Doesn’t take insurance (but will advise you how to get reimbursed from your insurance company after he scams you)

full payment for your visit is due at the time of your appointment..you will be given documentation and instructions on how to submit the invoice to your insurance company for direct reimbursement.

Doesn’t take Medicare, but ALL DIAGNOSTIC TESTS ORDERED ON MEDICARE/MEDICAID PATIENTS ARE COVERED -

And, surprise, surprise—he and the lovely Heather peddle a whole line of supplements and skin care products.

wolfsonintegrativecardiology.com

Yeah, sounds legit—if upchuck wants to investigate a fraud, this one’s ripe for the picking. And naturally, CNN would be drawn to him like flies to shit.

297 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 2:53:54pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Is this the same Starbucks semen pastor?

Yep. huffingtonpost.com

298 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 2:59:59pm
299 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 3:00:39pm

re: #296 BeachDem

I wonder if he refers anyone to a real practicing cardiologist who will actually treat them?

Otherwise, he’s opening himself up to a shitload of lawsuits when people start keeling over left and right.

Sounds as though he might only get patients who are afraid of the truth.

You don’t treat cardiovascular disease with “nutrition” alone. I’ve never known a good diet that would totally lower my genetically inherited cholesterol level nor blood pressure, and while I don’t have heart disease, untreated conditions like those, plus diabetes, can lead to heart disease.

This guy is irresponsible.

300 wrenchwench  Feb 2, 2015 3:02:26pm
301 Eventual Carrion  Feb 2, 2015 3:03:36pm

re: #81 BeachDem

And yet another anti-vax/pro-chiropractic moron is heard from:

“There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.

After researching the issue and reading information from a national anti-vaccine group, Ms. McDonald said she and her husband, a chiropractor, decided to raise their four children without vaccines.

wonkette.com

They might want to have a couple more, just in case.

302 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 2, 2015 3:03:55pm

re: #296 BeachDem

Chemical free living…

Without H2O they’re nothing.

303 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 3:07:12pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

Well, it should be no surprise that after interning at USA Today she wasn’t offered a job.

linkedin.com

304 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 3:08:06pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

The reason Autism rates are “skyrocketing” is that it’s a relatively new diagnosis and doctor’s are learning to diagnosis it better.

305 goddamnedfrank  Feb 2, 2015 3:09:08pm
306 BeachDem  Feb 2, 2015 3:13:08pm

re: #299 Justanotherhuman

I wonder if he refers anyone to a real practicing cardiologist who will actually treat them?

Otherwise, he’s opening himself up to a shitload of lawsuits when people start keeling over left and right.

Sounds as though he might only get patients who are afraid of the truth.

You don’t treat cardiovascular disease with “nutrition” alone. I’ve never known a good diet that would totally lower my genetically inherited cholesterol level nor blood pressure, and while I don’t have heart disease, untreated conditions like those, plus diabetes, can lead to heart disease.

This guy is irresponsible.

Oh pish-tosh—he’s a PALEO cardiologist, don’t ya know! And the lovely Heather showed him the righteous path. And he’s obviously got a heart as big as all outdoors—///

The CNN interviewer asked Wolfson repeatedly if he could live with himself if his unvaccinated child got other children, like Sacks’ daughter, fatally sick.

I could live with myself easily. It’s an unfortunate thing that people die, but people die. And I’m not going to put my child at risk to save another child,” he said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

(I’ll go you one further than irresponsible and float heartless, mean and off his rocker.)

307 Timothy Watson  Feb 2, 2015 3:13:24pm

re: #257 Kragar

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Wax on, wax off?

308 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 2, 2015 3:13:48pm

re: #304 Ace-o-aces

The reason Autism rates are “skyrocketing” is that it’s a relatively new diagnosis and doctor’s are learning to diagnosis it better.

Actually, it’s pure diagnostic substitution: “Autism-spectrum-disorders” have increased at exactly the rate that “Mental retardation” has decreased. The overall numbers haven’t changed at all.

Meanwhile the anti-vaxxers scream: “One in six children are learning impaired! (implied: nowadays)” You can’t explain to them that this is just what the bottom tail of 2σ looks like.

309 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 3:14:48pm

re: #306 BeachDem

Oh pish-tosh—he’s a PALEO cardiologist, don’t ya know! And the lovely Heather showed him the righteous path. And he’s obviously got a heart as big as all outdoors—///

The CNN interviewer asked Wolfson repeatedly if he could live with himself if his unvaccinated child got other children, like Sacks’ daughter, fatally sick.

I could live with myself easily. It’s an unfortunate thing that people die, but people die. And I’m not going to put my child at risk to save another child,” he said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

(I’ll go you one further than irresponsible and float heartless, mean and off his rocker.)

Slated to head the clinic at Galt’s Gulch.

310 Jenner7  Feb 2, 2015 3:14:56pm
311 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 3:15:41pm
312 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 3:16:48pm

re: #311 Ace-o-aces

It’s a movie by people who think the Sun goes around the Earth. Anyone who believes that who is older than 6 is an idiot

Why teach a 4-yr old that?

313 Timothy Watson  Feb 2, 2015 3:22:01pm

re: #311 Ace-o-aces

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Did Medved really say that?

314 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 2, 2015 3:22:24pm

re: #275 Kragar

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Hah! Knew it was Manning before I even clicked the link.

315 darthstar  Feb 2, 2015 3:22:56pm
316 darthstar  Feb 2, 2015 3:23:49pm

re: #314 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Hah! Knew it was Manning before I even clicked the link.

I didn’t know Chelsea had a brother.

317 Charles Johnson  Feb 2, 2015 3:26:54pm
318 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 3:27:21pm

re: #304 Ace-o-aces

The reason Autism rates are “skyrocketing” is that it’s a relatively new diagnosis and doctor’s are learning to diagnosis it better.

Having children later in life appears to increase the chance of a child having ASD, and being a premature birth or having low rate also increases the risk.

Also, “ASD commonly co-occurs with other developmental, psychiatric, neurologic, chromosomal, and genetic diagnoses. The co-occurrence of one or more non-ASD developmental diagnoses is 83%. The co-occurrence of one or more psychiatric diagnoses is 10%.”

cdc.gov

319 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 3:28:06pm

re: #313 Timothy Watson

Did Medved really say that?

Medved is a rightwing loon.

320 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 2, 2015 3:29:11pm

re: #316 darthstar

I didn’t know Chelsea had a brother.

Chelsea, Peyton, Eli, the Rev. David - just one big, happy Manning family.

321 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 3:31:13pm
322 Timothy Watson  Feb 2, 2015 3:32:03pm

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

Medved is a rightwing loon.

I know, but that’s crazy even for him.

323 Dark_Falcon  Feb 2, 2015 3:33:44pm

re: #125 William Barnett-Lewis

No, though this fairly highly educated Christian does have a case of “stupid-idiot-phobia” that prevents me from watching FOX.

No, you just hate idiots. You’re not irrationally afraid of them. They’re more likely to be afraid of you.

324 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 3:35:17pm
325 Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2015 3:35:46pm

re: #313 Timothy Watson

Did Medved really say that?

He gave it 3 stars.
Quote: “If nothing else, it’s an argument starter”.

Here’s what any review should say.
“It’s a movie by people who believe the Sun goes around the Earth. Don’t see this Movie. Almost anything else you could do would be a better use of your time.”

326 BeachDem  Feb 2, 2015 3:36:08pm

In case anyone was interested in what a smashing success it was for MSNBC to have 2 hours of primetime Morning Joke last Friday—

The previous Friday—Chris Hayes had 87,000 in the demo (25-54) and 549,000 total viewers; Rachel had 151,000 in the demo and 772,000 total viewers. Not great numbers, compared to Faux, granted, but
Joke this past Friday? 69,000 in the demo and 370,000 total viewers.

GREAT IDEA, PHIL GRIFFIN!!

327 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 3:36:19pm

The Smithsonian once had an organization for the study of short-lived phenomena. It was short-lived.

The Center for Short-Lived Phenomena (CSLP) was an office at the Smithsonian Institution from 1968 to 1975[1] designed to assist Smithsonian scientists in studying unusual short-lived natural phenomena such as meteorite impacts, volcanic events, earthquakes, and unusual ecological events such as plagues, extinctions, fish rains, and the effects of oil spill events.[2]

en.wikipedia.org

328 wrenchwench  Feb 2, 2015 3:36:23pm
329 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 3:37:41pm

re: #324 Gus

[Embedded content]

heh

330 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 3:37:50pm
331 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 3:38:13pm

re: #329 b.d.

heh

It’s like a black hole!

332 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 3:38:39pm

re: #322 Timothy Watson

I know, but that’s crazy even for him.

From Encyclopedia of American Loons (in comments section):

“Michael Medved (epically clueless to how genetics work, a bizarre theory as to how Ernst Rohm died (using Scott Lively’s book as evidence to boot!), incredibly stupid comments about slavery that somehow manages to sympathize with the slavers, and wingnut reviews of movies such as Happy Feet “subtly promoting” homosexuality)”

americanloons.blogspot.com

333 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 3:39:03pm
334 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 3:40:06pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

In a word, selfishness.

335 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 3:41:00pm

re: #334 Justanotherhuman

In a word, selfishness.

I prefer “inAynity”.

336 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 3:41:44pm

re: #325 Ace-o-aces

He gave it 3 stars.
Quote: “If nothing else, it’s an argument starter”.

Here’s what any review should say.
“It’s a movie by people who believe the Sun goes around the Earth. Don’t see this Movie. Almost anything else you could do would be a better use of your time.”

Medved fucks sheep.

Hey, its just an argument starter.

337 De Kolta Chair  Feb 2, 2015 3:42:09pm

re: #332 Justanotherhuman

From Encyclopedia of American Loons (in comments section):

“Michael Medved (epically clueless to how genetics work, a bizarre theory as to how Ernst Rohm died (using Scott Lively’s book as evidence to boot!), incredibly stupid comments about slavery that somehow manages to sympathize with the slavers, and wingnut reviews of movies such as Happy Feet “subtly promoting” homosexuality)”

The only difference between Michael Medved and Dinesh D’Souza is the former has seen more movies.

338 bratwurst  Feb 2, 2015 3:42:54pm

Whoa, someone is getting serious about running for president!

340 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 3:43:02pm

re: #325 Ace-o-aces

He gave it 3 stars.
Quote: “If nothing else, it’s an argument starter”.

Here’s what any review should say.
“It’s a movie by people who believe the Sun goes around the Earth. Don’t see this Movie. Almost anything else you could do would be a better use of your time.”

Did he review that trainwreck of a Christmas movie? Or canny enough to know that touching it would cause reputation issues?

341 Timothy Watson  Feb 2, 2015 3:43:21pm

re: #336 Kragar

Medved fucks sheep.

Hey, its just an argument starter.

WE’RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!11!

342 Eventual Carrion  Feb 2, 2015 3:43:35pm

re: #271 thedopefishlives

Me: “Get in the kitchen and make me a sammich.”
Mrs. Fish: “Make your own damn sandwich.”

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim.

And my wife would add, “And make me one while you’re in there.”

343 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 3:44:26pm

re: #338 bratwurst

Whoa, someone is getting serious about running for president!

[Embedded content]

Obama never talks about Huck’s son tying to smuggle a gun onto an airplane either.

344 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 3:44:35pm
345 wrenchwench  Feb 2, 2015 3:44:37pm

re: #338 bratwurst

Whoa, someone is getting serious about running for president!

[Embedded content]

With Sharyl Attkisson for VP?

346 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 2, 2015 3:44:51pm

re: #336 Kragar

Medved fucks sheep.

Hey, its just an argument starter.

Medved has been heard more than once giving thanks that sheep can’t talk.

347 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 3:45:25pm

Daughter2 is excited. Birmingham is in for bad weather and her car just sent her a message on the heads-up display:

“Icing possible. Drive with care.”

If a car has a sense of self-preservation, can full awareness be far behind?

348 brennant  Feb 2, 2015 3:46:32pm

re: #338 bratwurst

Whoa, someone is getting serious about running for president!

[Embedded content]

GET OFF MY LAWN.

349 dog philosopher  Feb 2, 2015 3:47:06pm

anti vaxxer explaining how the nsa eavesdrops on your genes

350 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 3:48:34pm

re: #325 Ace-o-aces

He gave it 3 stars.
Quote: “If nothing else, it’s an argument starter”.

I am sure he said the same thing about Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11, An Inconvenient Truth

351 brennant  Feb 2, 2015 3:48:42pm

re: #348 brennant

Uh, rather that is what my brain says I hear/read anything about the Huckabee.

;0

352 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 3:50:46pm
Hurry up and finish dinner dammit! I want to play!
353 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 3:51:52pm
354 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 3:52:42pm

re: #338 bratwurst

Whoa, someone is getting serious about running for president!

[Embedded content]

I see Huck is pulling in a very strong:

1.49%

in the Drudge Report reader’s GOP candidate poll.

Expect more over the top tweets, gotta get some headlines.

355 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 3:53:24pm

Ucccccchhh I just blocked & muted a really insane bugfuck anti vaxxer. Don’t ask.

356 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 3:53:33pm

re: #353 Gus

[Embedded content]

Are his kids vaccinated? I’d bet my money on yes.

357 Dark_Falcon  Feb 2, 2015 3:54:23pm

re: #350 b.d.

Please don’t lump Al Gore in with Michael Moore. While sometimes robotic, Al Gore is fundamentally decent and he tries to get his facts straight. Michael Moore is a dishonest asshole who has proven willing to lie to advance his causes.

358 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2015 3:54:33pm

HURR HURR YOUR SO BIGOTED YOU WON’T LISTEN TO ENNY OTHER OPINIONS!!!!11!!!

359 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 2, 2015 3:55:54pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

With respect, Charles, I don’t see how it’s wrong to say that Obama was referring to a possible link between vaccines and autism when he called the science “inconclusive”. If he simply meant that we should do more research into the cause of autism, without regard to any connection to vaccines, then he wouldn’t have cited the importance of vaccination as a reason to do the research. That would have been a non sequitur.

360 BeachDem  Feb 2, 2015 3:56:13pm

And Scotty is working to pump up his foreign policy cred (from the hilarious Hunter at kos):

…prepare yourself for a chain of meaningless cliches so vapid the network had to duct-tape Walker to the chair to keep him from floating away.

[Scott Walker]: “Aggressively, we need to take the fight to ISIS and any other radical Islamic terrorists around the world… I think we need to have an aggressive strategy anywhere around the world.”
[ABC News host Martha Raddatz]: “But what does that mean? I don’t know what ‘aggressive strategy’ means.”

Walker: “Ultimately, we have to be prepared to put boots on the ground, if that’s what it takes.”

Raddatz: “U.S. boots on the ground in Syria?”

Walker: “Well, I don’t think that’s an immediate plan.”

Walker is in a bit of a tight spot here, because he has exactly zero foreign policy expertise or experience or even past professed interest; his most striking military victories have titles like the Battle of Singing Protesters vs. The Statehouse Lawn. There is little indication he could find Syria on a map, and his proposal of “boots on the ground” seems suspiciously like a phrase he read off a placemat.

dailykos.com

361 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 2, 2015 3:56:31pm

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Daughter2 is excited. Birmingham is in for bad weather and her car just sent her a message on the heads-up display:

“Icing possible. Drive with care.”

If a car has a sense of self-preservation, can full awareness be far behind?

That is so cool.

RBS

362 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 3:57:36pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Understood but I was just throwing out movies which challenged that moron’s fake belief base.

363 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 3:59:05pm

re: #360 BeachDem

CNN was really promoting Walker earlier today. He could wind up being a dark horse for the Rs.

Ugh.

364 darthstar  Feb 2, 2015 4:01:34pm
365 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 4:01:46pm

re: #360 BeachDem

If you don’t count Eagle Scout, Walker has never put boots on the ground. Another fucking TPGOP chickenhawk.

366 wrenchwench  Feb 2, 2015 4:06:38pm
367 darthstar  Feb 2, 2015 4:09:19pm
368 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 4:09:39pm
369 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 4:10:04pm

re: #363 Justanotherhuman

CNN was really promoting Walker earlier today. He could wind up being a dark horse for the Rs.

Ugh.

Well, well—I’m not the only one who thinks that, although the poll cited is from Iowa, as a result of the Clown Carnival.

businessinsider.com

I thought GWB was pretty damned bland, too. Rs seem to prefer them that way. Given a decent PR team, though, Walker could perhaps find something equivalent to cutting brush…

370 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 4:11:48pm

re: #369 Justanotherhuman

Well, well—I’m not the only one who thinks that, although the poll cited is from Iowa, as a result of the Clown Carnival.

businessinsider.com

I thought GWB was pretty damned bland, too. Rs seem to prefer them that way. Given a decent PR team, though, Walker could perhaps find something equivalent to cutting brush…

Evicting singing Festivists from the Capitol Rotunda?
//

371 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 4:12:14pm

Immunizations- All adult citizens should have the legal right to conscientiously choose which vaccines are administered to themselves, or their minor children, without penalty for refusing a vaccine. We oppose any effort by any authority to mandate such vaccines or any medical database that would contain personal records of citizens without their consent.

— Republican Party of Texas Report of Permanent Committee on Platform and Resolutions As Amended and Adopted by the 2014 State Convention of the Republican Party of Texas

372 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 2, 2015 4:12:45pm

re: #369 Justanotherhuman

Well, well—I’m not the only one who thinks that, although the poll cited is from Iowa, as a result of the Clown Carnival.

businessinsider.com

I thought GWB was pretty damned bland, too. Rs seem to prefer them that way. Given a decent PR team, though, Walker could perhaps find something equivalent to cutting brush…

“I have cleared the underbrush that is public employee unions and I will roll up my sleeves to prune the bloated federal government!”

373 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 4:13:18pm

re: #308 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Actually, it’s pure diagnostic substitution: “Autism-spectrum-disorders” have increased at exactly the rate that “Mental retardation” has decreased. The overall numbers haven’t changed at all.

Meanwhile the anti-vaxxers scream: “One in six children are learning impaired! (implied: nowadays)” You can’t explain to them that this is just what the bottom tail of 2σ looks like.

That might not always be the case.

My school system gave up on me when I was ten. The principal of my public school told my mom I was uneducable. He didn’t realize that at ten I knew what uneducable meant.

Why was I uneducable?

I have a motor control problem that makes cursive longhand almost impossible and even typing is tricky. Back then the only thing that mattered was written tests and questions not answered were wrong answers. So since I rarely got more than halfway through a test the conclusion was I didn’t know the answers. My teachers passed me but only because they knew what my problem was. To the official system I was barely literate.

The phrase I’ve come up to describe it is, “When I went to school there were only two types of students; normal and stupid. I wasn’t normal.”

People still wonder why I dropped out.

374 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 4:14:18pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

Slated to head the clinic at Galt’s Gulch.

Until one of the other libertarians shoots him for killing their kid, or to get at the drugs in his office.

375 b.d.  Feb 2, 2015 4:14:50pm

Ooops!

Dear Shareholder,

Since the days of Jonas Salk’s landmark vaccine breakthrough in polio in the mid-1950s, we’ve all understood the incredible potential of the human immune system to conquer disease when it’s specifically trained to understand and fight that enemy. However, where one-size-fits all approaches have worked almost miraculously against some viruses, cancer is a different kind of foe….

/more

vaccinogeninc.com

Sincerely,

Benjamin S. Carson, Sr., MD
Chairman of the Board
Vaccinogen Inc.

Well, well, well.

What say now wingnuts?

376 wrenchwench  Feb 2, 2015 4:15:21pm

re: #371 Gus

Immunizations- All adult citizens should have the legal right to conscientiously choose which vaccines are administered to themselves, or their minor children, without penalty for refusing a vaccine. We oppose any effort by any authority to mandate such vaccines or any medical database that would contain personal records of citizens without their consent.

— Republican Party of Texas Report of Permanent Committee on Platform and Resolutions As Amended and Adopted by the 2014 State Convention of the Republican Party of Texas

Sure, but NO SCHOOL WILL LET YOUR KID IN .

377 Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2015 4:15:48pm

re: #371 Gus

Immunizations- All adult citizens should have the legal right to conscientiously choose which vaccines are administered to themselves, or their minor children, without penalty for refusing a vaccine. We oppose any effort by any authority to mandate such vaccines or any medical database that would contain personal records of citizens without their consent.

— Republican Party of Texas Report of Permanent Committee on Platform and Resolutions As Amended and Adopted by the 2014 State Convention of the Republican Party of Texas

“Juan, I thought you went Norte last week?”

“Tried, but that hardnosed coyote won’t take me to Texas until I get all my shots.”

“Sneaky, those gringos.”

378 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 4:16:09pm
379 makeitstop  Feb 2, 2015 4:17:32pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

a dishonest asshole who has proven willing to lie to advance his causes.

That phrase could be used to describe just about anyone in the modern conservative movement.

380 b_sharp  Feb 2, 2015 4:19:26pm

re: #371 Gus

Immunizations- All adult citizens should have the legal right to conscientiously choose which vaccines are administered to themselves, or their minor children, without penalty for refusing a vaccine. We oppose any effort by any authority to mandate such vaccines or any medical database that would contain personal records of citizens without their consent.

— Republican Party of Texas Report of Permanent Committee on Platform and Resolutions As Amended and Adopted by the 2014 State Convention of the Republican Party of Texas

If my baby grandkid gets sick because of an anti-vaxxer, can I go beat the crap out of the parents?

381 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 4:21:07pm

re: #380 b_sharp

If my baby grandkid gets sick because of an anti-vaxxer, can I go beat the crap out of the parents?

Heck, can you run a public business and refuse entry to people and their children unless they show you immunization papers?

382 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 4:21:15pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

Sure, but NO SCHOOL WILL LET YOUR KID IN .

And no school should let those kids in.

Want to refuse vaccines for your kid? Fine. But the trade-off is that you have to homeschool your kid and keep them away from everyone else until they’re 18. Your special snowflake is not entitled to put everyone else at risk.

383 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 2, 2015 4:21:35pm

re: #371 Gus

Interesting coming from an outfit whose members wanted to know the itineraries of the pets of those who were treated here for Ebola.

384 Gus  Feb 2, 2015 4:21:42pm

re: #380 b_sharp

If my baby grandkid gets sick because of an anti-vaxxer, can I go beat the crap out of the parents?

Sure!

385 thedopefishlives  Feb 2, 2015 4:22:15pm

In another case of caveat emptor, I purchased Mrs. Fish a used iPhone off of Amazon. I’ve had great success with doing similar things in the past; I had no reason to expect anything different this time. The phone I ordered was green. The box I received said “green” on the label. The phone I received was … definitely NOT green. Rather, it was pink. Retailer restocking FAIL.

386 Kragar  Feb 2, 2015 4:22:51pm

re: #380 b_sharp

If my baby grandkid gets sick because of an anti-vaxxer, can I go beat the crap out of the parents?

Fairly sure you’re allowed to “stand your ground” when the health and safety of children are jeopardized.
/

387 wrenchwench  Feb 2, 2015 4:23:00pm
388 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 2, 2015 4:23:04pm

re: #385 thedopefishlives

In another case of caveat emptor, I purchased Mrs. Fish a used iPhone off of Amazon. I’ve had great success with doing similar things in the past; I had no reason to expect anything different this time. The phone I ordered was green. The box I received said “green” on the label. The phone I received was … definitely NOT green. Rather, it was pink. Retailer restocking FAIL.

It’s obviously been infected by the ghey while at the factory.
//// :p

389 thedopefishlives  Feb 2, 2015 4:24:08pm

re: #388 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s obviously been infected by the ghey while at the factory.
//// :p

*falls over laughing*

I have to admit, that has me actually laughing. You win an Internet, good sir.

390 Lidane  Feb 2, 2015 4:24:24pm

re: #377 Decatur Deb

“Juan, I thought you went Norte last week?”

“Tried, but that hardnosed coyote won’t take me to Texas until I get all my shots.”

“Sneaky, those gringos.”

The ironic part of the ZOMG DISEASED MESSICANS meme is that Mexico has a higher immunization rate than the United States.

391 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 4:25:00pm

re: #373 Romantic Heretic

It’s pretty much still that way. My dyslexic grandson dropped out of HS because he wasn’t considered “special needs” and he needed help. He still can’t read very well or write much, and that was about 2006. It’s one reason he likes computers—they don’t judge and he can muddle through. Schools give up on a lot of kids and when parents can’t just take off work to fight for their kids, and there are no advocates for them, it winds up affecting every one.

“Special needs” doesn’t mean they’re slow or mentally challenged, it means they’re just not getting the help they need in a specific way. People learn in a variety of ways, not just the cut and dried ones.

392 Justanotherhuman  Feb 2, 2015 4:26:29pm

re: #375 b.d.

Ha.

And no wonder he quit practicing medicine. Got a far more lucrative gig, no doubt.

393 Romantic Heretic  Feb 2, 2015 4:26:45pm

re: #368 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Made the mistake of scanning that.

Once again I ask myself, “What is it about so many professed conservative’s faces that makes me want to punch them? Is there some genetic cause? Did they all have the same great-grandparents who were also siblings?”

Just asking questions.


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