Ted Cruz Says Anti-Vaccination Parents Have a “Religious” Right to Put Children at Risk

The GOP is very quickly morphing into the anti-vaxx party
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And now Ted Cruz weighs in with what’s obviously going to be the GOP’s talking point on vaccines: Cruz: Parents With ‘Religious Convictions’ Should Get a Pass on Vaccines.

That’s right. “Religious freedom” is now going to include the freedom to put your own children — and other people’s children — at risk of death from entirely preventable diseases.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) on Tuesday said he believes children should be vaccinated, but he said he supports exemptions for people with certain religious beliefs.

Cruz said that there is “widespread agreement” that children should be vaccinated, but he added that states should be in charge of deciding whether vaccines are mandatory, according to Politico. He also said that states should consider exceptions for those with “good faith, religious convictions.”

The Texas senator said that he has had his children vaccinated.

“We’ve got two little girls, we’ve vaccinated both our girls and would encourage people to do the same,” he told Politico.

And of course, he falls back on the eternal whine of the persecuted Republican; it’s that left wing media just making stuff up again.

Cruz told reporters that the controversy over vaccines is “largely silliness stirred up by the media,” according to Politico.

“Nobody reasonably thinks Chris Christie is opposed to vaccinating kids other than a bunch of reporters who want to write headlines,” he said.

Is Chris Christie actually opposed to vaccinating kids, or is he just pandering to the anti-vaxx crowd? Only he knows the truth of that, but this is far from the first time he’s made statements suggesting parents should be able to choose whether or not to vaccinate.

We should also note that Ted Cruz is simply restating a plank of the Texas GOP platform.

Immunizations ― All adult citizens should have the legal right to conscientiously choose which vaccines are administered to themselves or their minor children without penalty for refusing a vaccine. We oppose any effort by any authority to mandate such vaccines or any medical database that would contain personal records of citizens without their consent.

I predicted the GOP would become the anti-vaccine party a few days ago; looks like it’s happening even faster than I thought it would.

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454 comments

1 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 12:13:20pm

Most states, all but WV and MS, have exemptions for philosophical and/or religious reasons. Standing by those exemptions makes no sense from a public health standpoint and risks outbreaks occurring and putting the public at risk.

Eliminate those exemptions. Period. They are unsupported by science, and they threaten public health.

All this pandering to antivaxxers or people who simply don’t understand the risks (because few truly do understand how statistics works, or bother to read past the anti-vax headlines that still continue to attribute autism to vaccinations) is dangerous. There’s no other way to put it.

Oh, and I figure Charles will get a kick out of this:

2 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:14:11pm

Peak Obama’s-For-It-I’m-Against-It is a myth.

Like it seriously actually is.

3 Patricia Kayden  Feb 3, 2015 12:16:04pm

The Party of Anti-Science strikes again.

4 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:16:13pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Yes, the New York Times is now walking it back.

Ezra Klein, on the other hand, continues to insist Vox reported the story accurately.

huffingtonpost.com

But in a Tuesday email to The Huffington Post, Vox Editor-in-Chief Ezra Klein defended his site’s headline — “Obama supports vaccines now — but pandered to anti-vaxxers in 2008” — and its framing of Obama’s response.

There seem to be two things going on here. One is who Obama was gesturing towards. The video is clear that Obama is gesturing towards a member of the audience. The other issue, which is where the post focuses, is Obama’s comment that the science is inconclusive around the rise of autism. I think the video there is clear that Obama is saying more research is needed into that question, including into theories, like the one from the audience member, that vaccines play a role. As Sarah writes, by that point, the science was quite conclusive.

Which is to say, Obama was asked a question by a vaccine skeptic about the link with autism. He said the science around the question was inconclusive rather than saying ‘there is absolutely no reason to believe, even for a second, that vaccines are linked to autism,’ though, from other comments, that appears to be what Obama believed. When you soften your answer so as not to offend a possible voter, that’s pandering.

5 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:16:17pm

“Religious reasons” shouldn’t be a reason for a parent to have their child carry a contagious disease. And frankly I am getting sick and tired of guys like him using religion as an excuse to justify dangerous and bigoted behavior. Your religious beliefs don’t give you a total pass. If my religious beliefs demand that Ted Cruz be pelted with eggs, that doesn’t mean I can pelt him with eggs.

6 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 12:17:36pm
The GOP is very quickly morphing into the anti-vaxx party

This is extremely bad for the country.

7 Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2015 12:18:07pm

When Candidate Obama said, “The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it”, he was referring to the fact that science hasn’t figured out what causes autism. Candidate Obama was 100% accurate.

8 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:18:18pm

I do wish that the more responsible elements of the mainstream media (OMGLOLWTF) would call out these fuckstains when they randomly politicize shit that was simple public policy for a quarter of our nation’s existence.

Vaccines aren’t politicized. Mandatory vaccinations aren’t political. Clinton loved ‘em. Reagan loved ‘em. Both Bushes loved ‘em. Eisenhower loved ‘em. Carter loved ‘em. Nixon loved ‘em. JFK loved ‘em. This is a very very beefy and robust status quo, and you need to present some compelling fucking reasons why vaccines suddenly turned political, or we’re going to treat your attempted right-vs-left arguments as the rantings and ravings of a crazy man.

Go get fucked with a ramrod, Cruz, Christie, Paul, the lot of you.

9 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 12:19:32pm

There is no public health impact from religious exemption—as long as they keep the kids in the compound.

10 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 12:19:41pm
Ezra Klein, on the other hand, continues to insist Vox reported the story accurately.

I wonder if the whole point of this dance is to try to make 2016 more of a horserace.

11 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 12:19:49pm

What religions are against vaccinations?

12 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:20:35pm

If Cruz can justify the exception for religious reasons but not for any other worldview reasons, then sure. The problem is, he can’t. Because that’s unjustifiable.

13 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:20:54pm

re: #10 jaunte

I wonder if the whole point of this dance is to try to make 2016 more of a horserace.

That’s always why the media does things like this. A close race is good for their profit margin.

14 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 12:21:49pm

No one has a religious right to endanger the health of my children because they’re ignorant fucks.

15 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:22:21pm

re: #7 Dr. Matt

When Candidate Obama said, “The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it”, he was referring to the fact that science hasn’t figured out what causes autism. Candidate Obama was 100% accurate

No, the immediate context shows that he was referring to the vaccines/autism link.

16 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 12:22:39pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Church of Christ, Scientist, mostly.

17 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 12:22:41pm

Hey Ted, this is how they do it in your home country:

In Canada, children can be removed from school if they have not been vaccinated. But exemptions are made on medical and religious or philosophical grounds.

Parents who do not want to vaccinate their kids must go in front of an oath commissioner and present their case. If the commissioner signs an affidavit, the parents are free to skip the vaccination.

Dubey points out that the overall exemption rate in Toronto has not changed over time, hovering between one and three per cent for the past two decades.

cbc.ca

18 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:22:58pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

What religions are against vaccinations?

Seventh-Day Adventists, maybe?

19 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:23:39pm

re: #18 Testy Toad T

Seventh-Day Adventists, maybe?

I’d imagine Christian Scientists too.

20 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:24:58pm
21 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 12:25:11pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

What religions are against vaccinations?

The Church of Nobama.
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22 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 12:25:14pm

Dim Jim is posting a bunch of ISIS torture porn.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 12:25:24pm

re: #16 jaunte

Church of Christ, Scientist, mostly.

Christian Scientists fundamentally believe that diseases are not real, and can be healed with focused prayer from one of their “practitioners.” Ironically, Christian Scientists do not have rules against vaccination, but it’s often recommended that they pray to be rid of any bad effects of the vaccine. Because Christian Scientist “medical practitioners” lack knowledge of many rare vaccine preventable diseases, it can spread through one of their communities fairly quickly. In those cases, traditionally, the church accepts vaccination of their adherents.

What religions actually state about vaccines

Disclaimer: I’m not familiar with the website linked, but it appears to be OK.

24 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:26:41pm

re: #7 Dr. Matt

When Candidate Obama said, “The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it”, he was referring to the fact that science hasn’t figured out what causes autism. Candidate Obama was 100% accurate

So as not to rehash it, this has been dealt with in an old thread.
littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

25 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 12:27:15pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

What religions are against vaccinations?

PETA has an animal-abuse angle. Polio and other vaccine production/testing is ‘devastating’.

peta.org

26 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 12:27:48pm

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) on Tuesday said Louisiana requires all school children to be vaccinated, and for good reason.

“I have no reservations about whether or not it is a good idea and desirable for all children to be vaccinated. There is a lot of fear-mongering out there on this,” he said in a statement. “I think it is irresponsible for leaders to undermine the public’s confidence in vaccinations that have been tested and proven to protect public health. Science supports them and they keep our children safe from potentially deadly but preventable diseases.”

The governor added that he personally would not send his children to a school that did not require vaccinations.

27 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 12:27:49pm

It seems some “Christians” don’t want poors to have healthcare.

28 aagcobb  Feb 3, 2015 12:27:57pm

Candidate line-up so far: Clinton, Carson, Rubio and Jindal pro-vaccine, Christie, Cruz, Paul pandering to anti-vaccers.

29 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:28:07pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

PETA has an animal-abuse angle. Polio and other vaccine production/testing is ‘devastating’.

peta.org

Modern PETA’s dogmatic humping of their holy writ is nearly as consistently wrong as the GOP, so it checks out.

30 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 3, 2015 12:28:30pm
Seventh-Day Adventists, maybe?

No. Former SDA here.

Although you may find some kooks among SDAs who don’t believe in vaccinations. But I went to SDA schools and had to be vaccinated.

31 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:28:42pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

This minister looks weird.

32 Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2015 12:28:57pm

re: #15 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

No, the immediate context shows that he was referring to the vaccines/autism link.

No, that’s no correct. He stopped midstream to make the “this person” comment but was originally discussing the lack of information about what causes autism.

We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There are some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it

The science was clear in 2008. Then Candidate Obama went on to say that we shouldn’t ” junk our vaccine system”.

Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like Polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. Because if we keep on seeing increases at the rate we’re seeing we’re never going to have enough money to provide all the special needs, special education funding that’s going to be necessary.

33 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:29:04pm

re: #26 Kragar

Bobby Jindal: voice of Republican scientific reason.

So it has come to this.

34 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:29:14pm

re: #28 aagcobb

Candidate line-up so far: Clinton, Carson, Rubio and Jindal pro-vaccine, Christie, Cruz, Paul pandering to anti-vaccers.

No word from Jeb yet right? I’ll bet here but I’ll wager he goes pro vaxx.

35 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:29:42pm

re: #33 Testy Toad T

Bobby Jindal: voice of Republican scientific reason.

So it has come to this.

He really did keep his word on the GOP not being the stupid party.// That is until he opens his mouth on other issues.

36 ComradeDread  Feb 3, 2015 12:30:24pm

So if my religion demanded that I sacrifice my children to Yahweh or Molech, should I have the freedom to do that too?

I wish there were a vaccine against Stupidity.

37 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 12:30:44pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

No word from Jeb yet right? I’ll bet here but I’ll wager he goes pro vaxx.

If Turd Blossom OKs it.

38 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 12:30:51pm

Now we know why the Patriots won the Super Bowl

39 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 12:31:16pm

re: #28 aagcobb

Candidate line-up so far: Clinton, Carson, Rubio and Jindal pro-vaccine, Christie, Cruz, Paul pandering to anti-vaccers.

The anti-vaxxers would be more accurately portrayed as “anti-Obama/anti-government,” as that is what their positions really boil down to. They are against mandates and in favor of exemptions/”choice” not because they actually believe vaccines are dangerous, but because they’re pandering to a base that does and/or hates the President enough to oppose anything he’s in favor of.

40 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:31:18pm

re: #32 Dr. Matt

No, that’s no correct. He stopped midstream to make the “this person” comment but was originally discussing the lack of information about what causes autism.

The science was clear in 2008. Then Candidate Obama went on to say that we shouldn’t ” junk our vaccine system”.

Interesting that you quote the very text that clearly shows what Obama was referring to, but say “no”.

1. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it

2. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing …

The “research” part deals with vaccines, not with some general, vaccine-unrelated causes of autism. The text is very clear.

41 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 12:31:50pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

No word from Jeb yet right? I’ll bet here but I’ll wager he goes pro vaxx.

Big Pharma bought and paid for Jeb a long time ago.

//

42 bratwurst  Feb 3, 2015 12:32:44pm

Rush Limbaugh failed to thanks Ezra Klein and Vox for his show prep today.

Then again, Rush did add the wrinkle that the whole measles outbreak was caused by millions (yes MILLIONS) of illegal immigrant children streaming across the border…which, of course, means the whole situation is Obama’s fault.

43 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:32:57pm

re: #24 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

And I don’t agree with you on this.

44 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 12:33:10pm

Has anyone seen SteveMcGaziBolaGate around? He was pretty sure over the weekend the ‘right’ would never fall into the anti-vax thinking

LGF Thread - Saturday Jam: Keith Jarrett Trio, ‘Solar and Extension’ - Comment #11

I find it hard to believe the anti-vaxxers will tack right. I think most people associate anti-vaxing with Hollywood, and there’s no way the right will ever want to have anything to do with them.

Charles, b-sharp, I and some other members tried to tell him he would soon find out he was wrong. 2 days!

Hi Steve! What do you think now?

45 aagcobb  Feb 3, 2015 12:33:31pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know why the Patriots won the Super Bowl

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It would’ve been really funny if while interviewed Brady had said “First, I want to thank my Lord Ganesh for removing obstacles for me in my life.” Lots of fundy heads would’ve gone splody.

46 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:33:56pm

re: #40 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The “research” part deals with vaccines, not with some general, vaccine-unrelated causes of autism. The text is very clear.

Well, the text of a transcript, in an off-the-cuff response to a question (IIRC).

We should probably be careful not to parse the statement too rigidly; people have misspoken before. If this statement were Obama’s only vaccine position on record, it would concern me, but it is not, and so it really does not.

47 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:34:44pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

And I don’t agree with you on this.

If you can make a convincing counter-argument, I’ll accept it. I just don’t think it’s a matter of agreement or disagreement.

48 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:35:22pm

re: #45 aagcobb

It would’ve been really funny if while interviewed Brady had said “First, I want to thank my Lord Ganesh for removing obstacles for me in my life.” Lots of fundy heads would’ve gone splody.

Man that would mean I’d have to like him if he did that. I’d love to see that though because it would show you how double standard the fundies really are about “religious freedom.”

49 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 12:35:42pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know why the Patriots won the Super Bowl

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A quarterback worships a God with 4 arms.

Makes sense.

50 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:35:50pm

re: #46 Testy Toad T

Well, the text of a transcript, in an off-the-cuff response to a question (IIRC).

Yes, I repeat this every time too. This was an minor offhand goof - but a goof it was. There’s no way to interpret this text otherwise without doing violence to it.

51 aagcobb  Feb 3, 2015 12:35:53pm

re: #44 ObserverArt

Has anyone seen SteveMcGaziBolaGate around? He was pretty sure over the weekend the ‘right’ would never fall into the anti-vax thinking

LGF Thread - Saturday Jam: Keith Jarrett Trio, ‘Solar and Extension’ - Comment #11

Charles, b-sharp, I and some other members tried to tell him he would soon find out he was wrong. 2 days!

Hi Steve! What do you think now?

Check the featured page which he good naturedly titled “OK, I’m an idiot”
littlegreenfootballs.com

52 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 12:36:33pm

How US media would likely cover the current measles outbreak if it had been another country.

Despite funding cuts that have impacted the country’s byzantine and often insufficient health care infrastructure, vaccines against measles and other diseases are widely available. But in most regions of the country they are optional, and many parents—under the influence of celebrities, political ideologues, and radical clerics—choose not to have their children vaccinated, due to the mistaken belief that the vaccines are dangerous. As a result, this prosperous nation now has a lower vaccination rate than Zimbabwe.

As in Northern Nigeria and Northwestern Pakistan, some American vaccine resisters are religious extremists. But many are educated, middle class secularists under the influence of dubious health fads. Political scientists also say that years of war, social disruption, and political scandal have left many Americans highly distrustful of authority, whether represented by the government, the media, or health workers.

While the nation’s health ministry and its embattled president have urged parents to have their children vaccinated, the message has been undermined by other prominent politicians. This week, two potential presidential candidates—the strongman chief executive of a northeastern industrial state and a charismatic anti-government physician from the central agricultural region—expressed support for the right of parents not to have their children vaccinated. Both are members of a party known for its resistance to western science.

Researchers caution that the entrenched beliefs of a mistrustful population could take years for medical workers to overcome, meaning that more outbreaks could occur or even spread to other countries in the region, most of which have higher vaccination rates than the United States. Cases linked to the current outbreak have already been detected in neighboring Mexico.

53 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:36:49pm

re: #49 b.d.

A quarterback worships a God with 4 arms.

Makes sense.

Well well I have my QB for the Gods Fantasy Football draft.

54 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 12:37:20pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Yes, the New York Times is now walking it back.

Ezra Klein, on the other hand, continues to insist Vox reported the story accurately.

huffingtonpost.com

Ezra is always pretty full of himself. He probably would see it as a setback for Vox if he caved. Sadly.

Actually, if he just came out and admitted they had it wrong then he could gain credibilty.

55 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 12:37:23pm

Everyone knows that text clearly communicates everything and body language, tone, cadence, etc. are completely meaningless.

That’s why sarcasm markers are completely unnecessary.

56 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:37:27pm

re: #46 Testy Toad T

Well, the text of a transcript, in an off-the-cuff response to a question (IIRC).

We should probably be careful not to parse the statement too rigidly; people have misspoken before. If this statement were Obama’s only vaccine position on record, it would concern me, but it is not, and so it really does not.

I think it’s absurd to put an impromptu statement under the microscope like this and focus on one word, “also.” Here’s what his statement reads like without that one word:

We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There are some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are … preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like Polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system.

Take out one word from his off the cuff remarks, and it’s very obvious from the context that he’s talking about research into the cause of autism.

57 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 12:37:34pm

re: #49 b.d.

A quarterback worships a God with 4 arms.

Makes sense.

He should be worshiping a wide receiver who has 4 arms. Seems as though 2 of his SB appearances were lost because of just that.

58 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:37:34pm

re: #50 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Yes, I repeat this every time too. This was an minor offhand goof - but a goof it was. There’s no way to interpret this text otherwise without doing violence to it.

So we say it was probably wrong, and ascribe a low weighting factor to it.

I guess I’m just not clear on why we feel the need to beat this into the ground. Obama said a dumb thing; I can say that as a proper left-wing moonbat nut-job and still not go into conniptions.

59 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:38:20pm

Let’s agree for a second that Obama was talking about general causes of autism.

Then it would look like this:

“The science [of autism] right now is inconclusive, but we have to research [the general causes of autism]. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research [the general causes of autism] is those vaccines are also preventing …”

We get a non sequitur.

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 12:39:12pm

re: #32 Dr. Matt

Watching the video also makes it clear that, the way you parse it, is how it was said.

61 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:39:17pm

re: #59 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

And again - this wasn’t a prepared statement. It was an impromptu comment in response to a question. You’re reading way too much into it.

62 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:39:32pm

re: #57 lawhawk

He should be worshiping a wide receiver who has 4 arms. Seems as though 2 of his SB appearances were lost because of just that.

And David Tyree gets to drink for free at my hypothetical bar every night because of that. Seriously I never have cheered harder in my life for a New York team in the two times the Giants have played the Patriots in the SB.

63 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 12:40:15pm
64 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 12:41:26pm

the Insufferable Tolerance Blog noted that the thought process behind blaming autism was “incredibly insulting.”

“This anti-vaxxer was basically saying she would rather expose her child to disease rather than take the risk of having an autistic child (even though autism and vaccination aren’t linked),” the Insufferable Tolerance Blog wrote.

65 aagcobb  Feb 3, 2015 12:41:32pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

And again - this wasn’t a prepared statement. It was an impromptu comment in response to a question. You’re reading way too much into it.

And most importantly, the President is and has been throughout his Administration pro-vaccine, while Christie, Paul and Cruz are still pandering to anti-vaccers years after the fraudulent paper making the vaccine link to autism was retracted.

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 12:41:45pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

There was also the reporter who followed up on that statement after the event, and made it clear that Obama was talking about what causes autism, not that the science was inconclusive about vaccines causing autism.

67 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:41:59pm

re: #63 Kragar

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I take it that was followed by “Please give your lifesavings to me.”Man Obama’ s brilliant at trolling these guys. Who knew that something like vaccines would set them off. Please Mr. President get them to praise the merits of eating shit next.

68 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:42:03pm

And now, North Carolina Republican Senator Thom Tillis is saying restaurant employees should be allowed to leave the bathroom without washing their hands.

slog.thestranger.com

69 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:42:10pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

And David Tyree gets to drink for free at my hypothetical bar every night because of that. Seriously I never have cheered harder in my life for a New York team in the two times the Giants have played the Patriots in the SB.

But how can you not feel sorry for poor downtrodden Boston sports fans, who haven’t won anything have only won one two three four five six seven eight nine championships this millennium?

70 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 12:42:30pm

re: #15 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

No, the immediate context shows that he was referring to the vaccines/autism link.

Why the hell don’t people admit the report was blurry at best and save everyone from all the hair splitting. This is a big part of the damn problem.

Good journalism is based on good writing backed by facts. Looks to me like no one looked into anything before putting the story up. They seem to want to spend all the time covering their asses and hoping people on the ‘net help cover for them.

It’s bassackwards.

71 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 12:43:14pm
72 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 12:43:30pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

And now, North Carolina Republican Senator Thom Tillis is saying restaurant employees should be allowed to leave the bathroom without washing their hands.

slog.thestranger.com

More specifically, he’s saying businesses are “over-regulated,” so he wants to replace a regulation that says businesses must require their employees to wash their hands with one that will allow businesses to “opt out” if they post notice that their employees are not required to wash their hands. But he argues that it’s not actually a regulation.

73 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 12:44:13pm
That’s right. “Religious freedom” is now going to include the freedom to put your own children — and other people’s children — at risk of death from entirely preventable diseases.

Once again the true purpose of the phrase ‘religious freedom’ when used by RWNJs can be revealed by replacing the word ‘freedom’ with ‘power’.

Then it all becomes clear.

74 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:44:17pm

re: #64 Kragar

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That’s the sad truth of it. Autism is seen as this terrible terrible thing caused by the vanti vaxxer nuts. Fact of the matter is and GeneJockey van vouch is that being on the spectrum runs in families and we have “more” cases of Autism now because we know more about it now. Hell the difference between what parents know about Asperger’s for their kids now is that much more than it was when I was a kid and that wasn’t that long ago. There’s always been people on the spectrum.

75 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 12:44:19pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

And now, North Carolina Republican Senator Thom Tillis is saying restaurant employees should be allowed to leave the bathroom without washing their hands.

slog.thestranger.com

Basic hygiene shouldn’t be an option, especially if food preparation is involved.

What the actual fuck? And this guy is a Senator?

76 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 12:44:28pm

re: #71 Lidane

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But yet you’ve wingnuts who are trying to portray this as fault of “liberals.”

77 aagcobb  Feb 3, 2015 12:44:39pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

And now, North Carolina Republican Senator Thom Tillis is saying restaurant employees should be allowed to leave the bathroom without washing their hands.

slog.thestranger.com

He opposes regulations, so instead of a regulation requiring restaurant workers to wash their hands, he wants a regulation requiring them to put up a sign saying the workers don’t have to wash their hands. Pro-bidness!

78 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:44:45pm

re: #71 Lidane

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And that Erick Erickson is your meme going out the window. Have a nice day, fuckwad.

79 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:45:12pm

I see Thanos beat me to it:

littlegreenfootballs.com

80 aagcobb  Feb 3, 2015 12:46:09pm

re: #75 Lidane

Basic hygiene shouldn’t be an option, especially if food preparation is involved.

What the actual fuck? And this guy is a Senator?

Just elected, because Obama.

81 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 3, 2015 12:46:21pm

re:
#27

Christian minister opens Tennessee Senate with prayer to end Medicaid expansion

And some Christians wonder why Faith has come into such disrepute and why public displays of it are controversial.

Seriously, faith representatives called upon to give prayers in public settings should maybe think before they take a political side, especially one they’re likely to regret or will make the faith look stupid or harsh.

82 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 12:46:29pm

re: #33 Testy Toad T

Bobby Jindal: voice of Republican scientific reason.

So it has come to this.

Don’t count his stance as firm. He has to check the polls and do some surveys to find out how the comment played out.

Plenty of time to conjure up a reason why he was misqouted/misunderstood.

/

83 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2015 12:46:59pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I see Thanos beat me to it:

littlegreenfootballs.com

heh…so did I. I posted a few minutes before Thanos :)

84 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:47:01pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

And now, North Carolina Republican Senator Thom Tillis is saying restaurant employees should be allowed to leave the bathroom without washing their hands.

slog.thestranger.com

Would it be wrong of me to suggest that the Congressional cafeteria workers shouldn’t wipe the crap off their hands and serve the good Senator a hearty, shitty lunch? Really this is just disgusting. You should have to wash your hands if you’re working with food. God what a clueless asshole and this guy’s a Senator. Oh to go back to the days when Jesse Helms was just the bigoted as opposed to the bigoted and extremely trucking stupid senator from North Carolina.

85 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 3, 2015 12:47:26pm

re: #73 Romantic Heretic

Once again the true purpose of the phrase ‘religious freedom when use by RWNJs can be revealed by replacing the word ‘freedom’ with ‘power’.

Then it all becomes clear.

Of course, and I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Being superstitious should not grant a person special treatment.

You need a good reason to refuse vaccines, like an allergy. Just having stupid beliefs is not reason enough to endanger us all.

86 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:47:28pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

It’s not about the report - the video is available online.

re: #61 Charles Johnson

The only possible compromise I see here is this:

1. Regardless of what Obama meant to say, if taken at face value the text can be only interpreted as referring to the autism-vaccines link. With all the context taken into account.

2. Whether it should be taken at face value or entirely dismissed as a bungled unprepared remark is a matter of opinion (though such opinions do not necessarily need to have the same weight). So journalists and commentators are free to legitimately opine that Obama did, indeed, say something that was prima facie wrong.

Anyway, I’m done with this topic.

87 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 12:47:32pm
88 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 12:47:47pm

re: #75 Lidane

Basic hygiene shouldn’t be an option, especially if food preparation is involved.

What the actual fuck? And this guy is a Senator?

HURR HURR TEH FREE MARKET WILL DECIDE WHEN ENOUGH CUSTOMERS GET E COLI & SHIGELLA THEY WON’T EAT THEIR ANY MOAR!!!!!!

89 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 12:48:29pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

It seems some “Christians” don’t want poors to have healthcare.

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Looking at that ‘minister’s’ picture my first thought was, “They’re going to have to lay off the crystal meth.”

90 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 3, 2015 12:48:49pm

re: #81 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#27

And some Christians wonder why Faith has come into such disrepute and why public displays of it are controversial.

Seriously, faith representatives called upon to give prayers in public settings should maybe think before they take a political side, especially one they’re likely to regret or will make the faith look stupid or harsh.

Of course “Faith” is just a euphemism for credulity, from people that think that blindly believing in the impossible is desirable.

91 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:48:52pm

I mean this is something that should be common sense right? You work with food. You should wash your hands. God the GOP is filled with five year olds.

92 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:49:24pm

You should have known better to eat at a restaurant where an employer may not wash his hands!

93 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 3, 2015 12:49:50pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I mean this is something that should be common sense right? You work with food. You should wash your hands. God the GOP is filled with five year olds.

All the smart people were driven out of the party by the insane right-wing fanatics years ago.

94 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 12:50:07pm

Think about how fucking evil a “pro-life anti vaxxer” is:

If a woman is pregnant, and learns her child her child has no chance for survival, they deny her the right to an abortion, dooming the child to a short, pain-filled life, destroying the family emotionally and financially. If a woman learns the child will be mentally or physically handicapped, and worries about the quality of life for her child and if she will be able to handle the burden, they won’t give her the right to end her pregnancy, insisting their beliefs take precedence.

Then for their own children, they would rather expose them to deadly and debilitating diseases, risking the health of everyone they come in contact with, simply because they believe in debunked horseshit.

Selfish ignorant evil assholes.

95 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 12:50:09pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

That’s the sad truth of it. Autism is seen as this terrible terrible thing caused by the vaccines. Fact of the matter is and GeneJockey van vouch is that being on the spectrum runs in families and we have “more” cases of Autism now because we know more about it now. Hell the difference between what parents know about Asperger’s for their kids now is that much more than it was when I was a kid and that wasn’t that long ago. There’s always been people on the spectrum.

These lunatics spend all their time and money trying to “recover” their kids, who have been “stolen” from them. The actual living kid is just a changeling, a husk. “The light went out of their eyes” the second the needle went into their arm. Now they give them enemas with industrial bleach and/or use industrial chelating agents to “purify” their bodies of the “toxins” and “heavy metals*” that “Big Pharma™” contaminated them with.

*”Heavy metals” usually includes aluminum for these nutjobs—just to show you what a brain trust you’re dealing with.

96 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 12:50:27pm

They’re also against paid sick leave for food service workers.

What could possibly go wrong?

97 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:50:58pm

I suppose as long as you use the Invisible Hand of the Free Market to hold your pecker in the washroom, there’s really no danger.

Total nothingburger nontroversy.

98 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:50:59pm

re: #93 No Country For Old Haters

All the smart people were driven out of the party by the insane right-wing fanatics years ago.

Oh no doubt but come on even a stupid party realizes that washing your hands before you prepare food should be mandated.

99 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2015 12:51:24pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Would it be wrong of me to suggest that the Congressional cafeteria workers shouldn’t wipe the crap off their hands and serve the good Senator a hearty, shitty lunch? Really this is just disgusting. You should have to wash your hands if you’re working with food. God what a clueless asshole and this guy’s a Senator. Oh to go back to the days when Jesse Helms was just the bigoted as opposed to the bigoted and extremely trucking stupid senator from North Carolina.

As I have said before:

Tillis is a committed idealogue resulting from hybridizing a member of the Spanish Inquisition with Ayn Rands bastard offspring between her and Robert Heinlein.

Unfortunately, he got none of the brains from any of the above sources, but all of the unthinking, reflexive self assured righteousness…coated with a sheen of vapid populist anti intellectualism.

100 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 12:51:39pm

re: #33 Testy Toad T

Bobby Jindal: voice of Republican scientific reason.

So it has come to this.

I know.

I keep feeling like Ben Kenobi when Alderaan was blown out of existence. As if a billion wingnuts cried out in hatred.

101 Dave In Austin  Feb 3, 2015 12:51:54pm

re: #49 b.d.

Remember Lord Ganesh also has the head of an elephant……

We can go from there.

102 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 12:51:57pm

re: #51 aagcobb

Check the featured page which he good naturedly titled “OK, I’m an idiot”
littlegreenfootballs.com

Thanks. I had not seen that. Good on him.

I still don’t think he has grasped the politics and why mentioning the Obamas doesn’t help.

103 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:53:00pm

re: #99 Aunty Entity Dragon

As I have said before:

Tillis is a committed idealogue resulting from hybridizing a member of the Spanish Inquisition with Ayn Rands bastard offspring between her and Robert Heinlein.

Unfortunately, he got none of the brains from any of the above sources, but all of the unthinking, reflexive self assured righteousness…coated with a sheen of vapid populist anti intellectualism.

Not really familiar with Heinlein but man this guy is an idiot.

104 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 12:54:14pm
105 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 12:54:27pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I mean this is something that should be common sense right? You work with food. You should wash your hands. God the GOP is filled with five year olds.

I’ve worked in two restaurants preparing food, and I could never get near the food without washing my hands. Go to the bathroom? Wash your hands. Work the register? Wash your hands. Go to the back to do dishes? Wash your hands. Sweep the floor? Wash your hands. And it wasn’t just a two second deal, you had to lather your hands for 20 seconds and then rinse them under water that was just shy of boiling.

At the first job, the manager would actually time me to make sure I was holding to the regulation. At the second, I had to wash my hands even though I was then putting on gloves to handle the food itself. Lawmakers may think this shit is unnecessary, but the major businesses take it very seriously. Why? Because they are liable for customers getting sick and doubly so if those sick customers then die. It’s not a matter of reputation, it’s a matter of lawsuits. If I neglected to properly wash my hands and a customer subsequently died of food poisoning, being fired was the least of my worries.

106 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 3, 2015 12:54:30pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Oh no doubt but come on even a stupid party realizes that washing your hands before you prepare food should be mandated.

They believe in in-duh-vidual Free-dumb! You’ve underestimated the stupidity of the reactionary yahoos who ruined the Republican party.

107 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 3, 2015 12:55:54pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Not really familiar with Heinlein but man this guy is an idiot.

I’ve read just about everything he’s written. Very smart guy, but also extremely sexist, like most men of his generation.

108 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:55:59pm

re: #104 Lidane

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lol only Gaileo was persecuted for believing in science and no one is persecuting these idiots. Just saying that they shouldn’t be putting the general public in danger due to their stupid beliefs. Gotta hand it to Glenn, he knows how to really channel the victimhood complex.

109 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 12:56:35pm

re: #106 No Country For Old Haters

They believe in in-duh-vidual Free-dumb! You’ve underestimated the stupidity of the reactionary yahoos who ruined the Republican party.

Yeah I guess I did.

110 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 12:57:11pm

re: #52 lawhawk

I love articles like that. ‘Outside looking in’ highlights how silly and dangerous certain things can be.

111 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 3, 2015 12:57:35pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess I did.

I know, it’s hard to believe that anyone that stupid didn’t drown the first time it rained, but there is no bottom to wingnut stupidity.

112 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:57:42pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

“They laughed at Galileo … but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown” ~ Someone.

113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 12:58:12pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Not really familiar with Heinlein but man this guy is an idiot.

The conventional wisdom seems to be that Heinlein was a raging right-wing asshole. Outside of my Roosevelt-worshiping New Dealer parents, I would have to give him most of the credit for me becoming the raging lefty I am today, so I don’t know. Of course, everything he wrote after his stroke (i.e., afterThe Moon is a Harsh Mistress) was unreadable, so I didn’t read most of it.

114 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 12:58:15pm

re: #112 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“They laughed at Galileo … but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown” ~ Someone.

“Not every quote you see on the internet is trustworthy” — Abraham Lincoln

115 sizzzzlerz  Feb 3, 2015 12:58:38pm

These fuckers have gone completely over the edge. Making basic health, sanitation, and disease prevention into a political football? WTF? This is pure, unadulterated insanity. I know that they yearn for the days gone by but I can’t believe they mean the dark ages and those halcyon days of the black plague.

Hating on the black guy is one thing but this is absurd.

116 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 12:59:00pm

re: #112 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“They laughed at Galileo … but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown” ~ Someone.

Carl Sagan.

117 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 12:59:27pm

re: #114 Testy Toad T

“Not every quote you see on the internet is trustworthy” — Abraham Lincoln

You mean it wasn’t made by Someone? Must’ve been that bastard Nobody, Esq.

118 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 12:59:40pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

And now, North Carolina Republican Senator Thom Tillis is saying restaurant employees should be allowed to leave the bathroom without washing their hands.

slog.thestranger.com

Party of personal responsibility strikes again. //

119 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 12:59:51pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

And again - this wasn’t a prepared statement. It was an impromptu comment in response to a question. You’re reading way too much into it.

Damn, this whole dance reminds me of the fight over the word ‘is’ as used by Bill Clinton. I don’t get it.

Does Esra Klein have a payroll or some ‘people’? /

120 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:01:27pm

This whole ‘Obama said different in 2008!” thing is galling for a couple reasons.

First, he was running for President, and had to spend large amounts of time fielding questions from random citizens, and appearing to know what he was talking about. His answers have always been judicious. He’s not one to blurt out answers where he’s less than certain, and to expect him to have had all the facts about every damned thing all the time is ridiculous.

Second, although it was clear to those who studied the question by then that there was no vaccine/autism link, it was not as thoroughly debunked as it is now. Wakefield still had his license, and there were still revelations to come on the degree of fraud in his ‘study’. It’s expecting a lot - too much really - for a Senator on the campaign trail to have been able or willing to state categorically at that point that vaccines were not linked to autism without giving him time to look into it. It was an off the cuff answer, ferchrissakes,

121 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:02:33pm

re: #112 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“They laughed at Galileo … but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown” ~ Someone.

I’ve said that, but I don’t know if I was the first.

122 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 1:02:47pm

The John Birch Society lives:

123 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:03:27pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

Carl Sagan.

Fucking Carl Sagan! Beat me by only a couple decades!!
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124 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:04:02pm

re: #122 Lidane

The John Birch Society lives:

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“Children’s ice cream, Mandrake!!”

125 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 1:04:48pm

Looks like the clocks stopped over at the WSJ offices:

126 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 1:05:39pm

OT:

Scott Walker is backing a $500 million proposal to build a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks, but is also supporting a $300 million cut to the University of Wisconsin.

The state would put up about half of the amount. The current and former owners will but up $220 million. We’re talking billionaires here: Herb Kohl is the former owner, and billionaire hedge fund managers Wesley Edens and Marc Lasry are the current owners.

Something is pretty fucked up in the country when we’ve got these screwed up priorities. Moreover, it’s pretty screwed up that billionaires get the rubes to pay for their houses of worship (sports arenas).

127 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 1:06:31pm

re: #77 aagcobb

He opposes regulations, so instead of a regulation requiring restaurant workers to wash their hands, he wants a regulation requiring them to put up a sign saying the workers don’t have to wash their hands. Pro-bidness!

I wonder if this jackass thinks the same way about doctors and healthcare workers?

Lets have him to the hospital for a little session and have a doctor and a couple nurses that were just in a room with a patient suffering from a MRSA infection fail to wash anything and then go into the Senator’s room and do some blood draws, maybe a biopsy and see where that gets him.

128 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:07:21pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I see Thanos beat me to it:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Nobody’s faster on the draw than Thanos.

129 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 1:08:33pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

“Children’s ice cream, Mandrake!!”

130 Teukka  Feb 3, 2015 1:08:51pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

I wonder if this jackass thinks the same way about doctors and healthcare workers?

Lets have him to the hospital for a little session and have a doctor and a couple nurses that were just in a room with a patient suffering from a MRSA infection fail to wash anything and then go into the Senator’s room and do some blood draws, maybe a biopsy and see where that gets him.

Infectious Diseases Division ICU.

131 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 1:09:32pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Not really familiar with Heinlein but man this guy is an idiot.

Here is probably the best example of Heinlein, The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

I loved them when I was a very young man. Now, although there are some small pieces of wisdom and more of humour, they just strike me as very American.

132 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 1:10:07pm

re: #126 lawhawk

OT:

Scott Walker is backing a $500 million proposal to build a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks, but is also supporting a $300 million cut to the University of Wisconsin.

The state would put up about half of the amount. The current and former owners will but up $220 million. We’re talking billionaires here: Herb Kohl is the former owner, and billionaire hedge fund managers Wesley Edens and Marc Lasry are the current owners.

Something is pretty fucked up in the country when we’ve got these screwed up priorities. Moreover, it’s pretty screwed up that billionaires get the rubes to pay for their houses of worship (sports arenas).

Well that pisses me off. I got a cousin that goes to the University of Wisconsin. And yeah it’s messed up that sports arenas are pretty much all taxpayer paid.

133 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 1:11:02pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

Infection control. How does it work. Hospitals are still dangerously lax on infection control. The ACA actually moves to curtail some reimbursements for hospitals that fall short on infection control. Hospitals that have stringent infection control protocols see better outcomes, fewer readmissions, and healthier patients.

134 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 1:12:32pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

I wonder if this jackass thinks the same way about doctors and healthcare workers?

Lets have him to the hospital for a little session and have a doctor and a couple nurses that were just in a room with a patient suffering from a MRSA infection fail to wash anything and then go into the Senator’s room and do some blood draws, maybe a biopsy and see where that gets him.

The first physician to suggest that doctors wash their hands after performing an autopsy and touching a live patient was not well liked.

135 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 1:12:41pm

Hey Vicious, the bridge troll looks like he’s going to have much needed competition.

136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 1:13:02pm

We’ve had gay homophobes (e.g. Michael Savage) and Jewish Nazis for a while now, but germophobic disease-promoters are now taking the controls of the Klown Kar.

137 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 1:13:15pm

re: #86 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s not about the report - the video is available online.

It sure is about the report. If it wasn’t clear then they should have written the article with the whole text and the context of how and when it was said. Also, since there are YouTubes, put those into the article and say something like “you be the judge” or the like.

Or, not do the report as slanted as it was and acting like it was all so very clear.

They were in a hurry to get some mileage out of the whole thing and this is what they have achieved: Mud.

It is bad journalism. Look how hard everyone is working to clarify the damn story.

138 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 1:15:12pm

re: #135 lawhawk

Hey Vicious, the bridge troll looks like he’s going to have much needed competition.

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Heh.

The Bridge Troll
139 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 1:15:54pm

I should redo that graphic, make the Troll’s face greener, and show Canadian attack helicopters.

140 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:18:12pm

I could accept Libertarianism if its adherents would own up to all the problems inherent in it, but they won’t.

I could respect them if they said, “Yes, I realize that it will lead to income inequality and concentration of wealth; exploitation of workers with low wages and unsafe working conditions; that consumers will be subject to shoddy, dangerous products with little recourse; that the old and the disabled will live in poor conditions and not have their medical needs met; that our country will be technogically backwards and poor; but I believe that, even with all that, maximum personal freedom and control over property is more important than prosperity, public health, or any benefit to society.”

That, at least, would be honest. Instead, they believe that somehow they’d get to keep all the benefits of a social democracy, but not have to pay for it.

Morons.

141 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 1:18:37pm

re: #130 Teukka

Infectious Diseases Division ICU.

Pfft. Libertarians don’t need special units. Those cost money and take away the freedoms of everyone being in the same big room.

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142 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:19:38pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

I should redo that graphic, make the Troll’s face greener, and show Canadian attack helicopters.

Canada has attack helicopters?

Do they apologize in advance?

143 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 1:20:12pm
144 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 1:21:51pm
145 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 1:21:53pm

re: #126 lawhawk

OT:

Scott Walker is backing a $500 million proposal to build a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks, but is also supporting a $300 million cut to the University of Wisconsin.

The state would put up about half of the amount. The current and former owners will but up $220 million. We’re talking billionaires here: Herb Kohl is the former owner, and billionaire hedge fund managers Wesley Edens and Marc Lasry are the current owners.

Something is pretty fucked up in the country when we’ve got these screwed up priorities. Moreover, it’s pretty screwed up that billionaires get the rubes to pay for their houses of worship (sports arenas).

I guarantee that when the time comes for the billionaires to pay up they’ll weasel out of it, leaving the taxpayers in the lurch.

Happens every time.

146 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:22:09pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Canada has attack helicopters?

Do they apologize in advance?

They use the same speakers Robert Duvall used in Apocalypse Now, but instead of playing “Flight of the Valkyries”, they play, “SOrry for bothering you, but there’s a Hellfire missile coming toward you. We apologize for any inconvenience!”

147 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 1:22:57pm

re: #146 Blind Frog Belly White

They use the same speakers Robert Duvall used in Apocalypse Now, but instead of playing “Flight of the Valkyries”, they play, “SOrry for bothering you, but there’s a Hellfire missile coming toward you. We apologize for any inconvenience!”

They spray maple syrup

148 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 1:23:46pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

I should redo that graphic, make the Troll’s face greener, and show Canadian attack helicopters.

I don’t believe we have any.

149 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 3, 2015 1:24:00pm
Ted Cruz Says Anti-Vaccination Parents Have a “Religious” Right to Put Children at Risk

Now that’s a proposition with some interesting potential outcomes. If I happen to be one of those whose religious conviction is that it’s perfectly safe to handle venomous snakes then do I have right to dump out a bucket of rattlesnakes at the mall?

150 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 1:24:07pm

re: #143 Lidane

Mike Pence ignores this bit:

Indiana allows a religious exemption. IC 21-40-5-6

Except as otherwise provided, a student may not be required to undergo testing, examination, immunization, or treatment required under this chapter when the student objects on religious grounds.
(b) A religious objection does not exempt a student from testing, examination, immunization, or treatment required under this chapter unless the request for an exemption is:
(1) made in writing;
(2) signed by the student; and
(3) delivered to the individual who might order a test, an examination, an immunization, or a treatment absent the religious objection.

151 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:24:08pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

They spray maple syrup

I’m hoping there are waffles pre-mailed to the area.

152 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:24:21pm

re: #148 Romantic Heretic

I don’t believe we have any.

We don’t.

153 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 1:24:26pm

Is Rand Paul really really running for President?

I guess he is going to try for the full-on libertarian loon vote. We’ll see how that goes for him I guess.

I wonder though, does he even have a clue that many libertarians do not vote?

154 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:24:30pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

They spray maple syrup

Immobilizing their prey while making them think happy thoughts about pancakes and waffles, just before their fiery deaths.
//

155 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2015 1:24:38pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Canada has attack helicopters?

Do they apologize in advance?

From what I can tell, Canada doesn’t actually have any dedicated rotary wing attack aircraft.

156 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 1:25:12pm

re: #136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

We’ve had gay homophobes (e.g. Michael Savage)

Savage is gay? (NTTAWWT.)

157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 1:25:34pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Canada has attack helicopters?

Do they apologize in advance?

No; their army wasn’t forced to give up fixed-wing aircraft because of Air Force lobbying. There’s a reason attack dogs are a thing and attack hummingbirds are not a thing. Someday somebody’s going to be so impolite as to shoot back at our “attack helicopters” and swat them all from the sky like gnats.

158 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:26:04pm

re: #155 Aunty Entity Dragon

From what I can tell, Canada doesn’t actually have any dedicated rotary wing attack aircraft.

Nope.
Just transport and rescue helicopters.

159 Dave In Austin  Feb 3, 2015 1:26:09pm

Would someone please do a snake with spots??

#DontTreadonMeasles

160 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 1:26:52pm

re: #148 Romantic Heretic

I don’t believe we have any.

Well, you do, but they’re just Hueys with stub-wing-mounted loudspeakers broadcasting their disappointment in a heavily-accented passive-aggressive tone.

161 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:28:00pm

re: #157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No; their army wasn’t forced to give up fixed-wing aircraft because of Air Force lobbying. There’s a reason attack dogs are a thing and attack hummingbirds are not a thing. Someday somebody’s going to be so impolite as to shoot back at our “attack helicopters” and swat them all from the sky like gnats.

All we have are Hornets for attack aircraft.

162 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 1:28:30pm

Maybe Ted Cruz can go to some hell hole where vaccinations are being kept out due to war or religion or stark fear of both. Maybe he could visit a ward of children who will die that night because they were not immunized. Maybe he could but he won’t. Because it’s all a political game. Fuck the kids, I’m making hay here with the bottom feeding suckers that my Cult depends on. (R) =Religious Fanatic

163 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:28:42pm

re: #160 Testy Toad T

Well, you do, but they’re just Hueys with stub-wing-mounted loudspeakers broadcasting in a disappointment in a heavily-accented passive-aggressive tone.

They do offer beer.

164 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:29:19pm

re: #160 Testy Toad T

Well, you do, but they’re just Hueys with stub-wing-mounted loudspeakers broadcasting in a disappointment in a heavily-accented passive-aggressive tone.

Hello! Bonjour!

Pardon us while we rain fiery death on you! Pardonnez-nous pendant que nous pluies de feu sur vous!

Thank you! Merci!

165 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 1:29:59pm

re: #163 b_sharp

They do offer beer.

I mean, if you’re willing to call Molson beer.

166 sizzzzlerz  Feb 3, 2015 1:30:02pm
Scott Walker is backing a $500 million proposal to build a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks, but is also supporting a $300 million cut to the University of Wisconsin.

Socialize the cost, privatize the profits. Its the American way.

167 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2015 1:31:12pm

re: #157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No; their army wasn’t forced to give up fixed-wing aircraft because of Air Force lobbying. There’s a reason attack dogs are a thing and attack hummingbirds are not a thing. Someday somebody’s going to be so impolite as to shoot back at our “attack helicopters” and swat them all from the sky like gnats.

The AH-64 was designed to operate in a high lethality “Fulda Gap” style battlefield.

I don’t care how high speed you think you are…you do not want to get noticed by an Apache gunship.

The Longbow upgrade allows several birds to slave their hellfires to one lead bird with the periscope on top of the rotormast. Once the targets are designated, the pilots can sit back out of sight and fire over their cover at targets miles away.

Bad, bad stuff.

168 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 1:33:12pm

re: #136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Savage is gay?

169 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 1:33:45pm

re: #168 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Savage is gay?

That’s what I said!

170 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:34:03pm

re: #165 Testy Toad T

I mean, if you’re willing to call Molson beer.

Hey!

We also have Moosehead. moosehead.ca

171 Timothy Watson  Feb 3, 2015 1:34:15pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Canada has attack helicopters?

Do they apologize in advance?

From the Wayback Machine:
CANADIAN WARSHIP SEIZES TANKER IN… WAIT…
CANADA HAS A WARSHIP?
satirewire.com

172 sizzzzlerz  Feb 3, 2015 1:34:17pm
From what I can tell, Canada doesn’t actually have any dedicated rotary wing attack aircraft.

No, but they do have several crack platoons of hyper-aggressive commando beavers.

173 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 1:35:15pm

re: #137 ObserverArt

Here I wasn’t discussing the report. The report has been discussed in an older thread and dismissed as a shoddy hatchet job.

174 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 1:35:33pm

re: #172 sizzzzlerz

And vicious attack Møøse.

If you’ve got any careless sisters, keep a very close eye on them.

175 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:35:44pm

re: #172 sizzzzlerz

No, but they do have several crack platoons of hyper-aggressive commando beavers.

They *will* chew your leg off.

176 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2015 1:36:16pm

re: #174 Testy Toad T

And vicious attack Møøse.

If you’ve got any careless sisters, keep a very close eye on them.

No, really…a moose bit my sister…

177 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 1:36:26pm

re: #174 Testy Toad T

And vicious attack Møøse.

If you’ve got any careless sisters, keep a very close eye on them.

NO PROBLEM WE HAVE LLAMAS TO DEFEND US

178 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 1:36:39pm

re: #168 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Savage is gay?

You’ll have to ask Allen Ginsberg

179 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:37:17pm

re: #165 Testy Toad T

I mean, if you’re willing to call Molson beer.

When I started drinking beer, it was Schlitz, Miller, Genesee, etc. By comparison, Molson was real beer.

180 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 3, 2015 1:37:33pm

re: #178 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I read that.

181 Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2015 1:38:38pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

When I started drinking beer, it was Schlitz, Miller, Genesee, etc. By comparison, Molson was real beer.

My freshman year of college, my very first booze experience was, like, Bell’s Oberon or something.

Talk about setting a guy up for a lifetime of disappointment. You mean not all beer tastes good!?

182 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2015 1:40:30pm

re: #171 Timothy Watson

From the Wayback Machine:
CANADIAN WARSHIP SEIZES TANKER IN… WAIT…
CANADA HAS A WARSHIP?
satirewire.com

The Canadian Navy concentrates on ASW, split between the Atlantic and the Pacific. You can usually tell Canadian destroyers by the curved deck lines on the bow to keep ice from forming. Often, Canadian destroyers have their flightdecks up towards the amidships to reduce roll and pitch during landing a helicopter. They tend to be well regarded and capable warships.

183 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 1:42:08pm

re: #181 Testy Toad T

My freshman year of college, my very first booze experience was, like, Bell’s Oberon or something.

Talk about setting a guy up for a lifetime of disappointment. You mean not all beer tastes good!?

Now that the younger boy is of legal drinking age, he’s been trying various things. Mostly he says there’s too much alcohol flavor. The only thing he liked was a half-strength Cuba Libre I made him.

Freakin’ lightweight!

The older boy has chosen not to drink, saying he’s concerned how it would interact with his meds.

Luckily, the grand-nephew likes beer, so I finally have someone to drink with!

184 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:43:19pm

re: #182 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Canadian Navy concentrates on ASW, split between the Atlantic and the Pacific. You can usually tell Canadian destroyers by the curved deck lines on the bow to keep ice from forming. Often, Canadian destroyers have their flightdecks up towards the amidships to reduce roll and pitch during landing a helicopter. They tend to be well regarded and capable warships.

The Canadian armed forces do very well with what they have and are extremely well trained.

They’re just not very big. Which is fine.

185 BlueSpotinAL  Feb 3, 2015 1:43:34pm

re: #150 lawhawk

Mike Pence ignores this bit:

Indiana allows a religious exemption. IC 21-40-5-6

Somebody needs to hold Pence’s feet to the fire and get a definitive statement on religious exemptions. Unfortunately I predict he will be the GOP 2016 candidate because he is careful in what he says.

186 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 1:45:27pm

re: #159 Dave In Austin

Would someone please do a snake with spots??

Like this?

#Don‘tTreadonMeasles

187 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 1:45:33pm

How is work today?

Manager: “You failed to use the standardized format!”

Me: “We have 5 different systems managed by 3 different admins, and each of those 5 different systems has a completely different configuration and naming standard, and they change without any of the users being made aware of the changes untils something breaks and we look in to it. I’d be happy to use a standardized format. Let me know when we get one.”

So yeah, that is how its going today.

188 Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2015 1:46:56pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Well that pisses me off. I got a cousin that goes to the University of Wisconsin. And yeah it’s messed up that sports arenas are pretty much all taxpayer paid.

That’s what good socialism looks like. Even better, after they take taxpayer money to build it, they price tickets so high that the little people can’t afford to attend.

189 Single-handed sailor  Feb 3, 2015 1:47:48pm
Canadian Department of Homeland Security
190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 3, 2015 1:48:03pm

re:
#187

Didn’t you get the memo?

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191 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 1:48:35pm

re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#187

Didn’t you get the memo?

///

There are no memos.

192 Dave In Austin  Feb 3, 2015 1:49:18pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

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#tcot will love that
Thx

193 Teukka  Feb 3, 2015 1:50:09pm

re: #189 Single-handed sailor

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Hey, IIRC, Canada doesn’t use that style of moose warning signs, that one is used in Europe?

194 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 1:50:28pm

re: #192 Dave In Austin

#tcot will love that
Thx

Glad to help a Lizard out!

195 Timothy Watson  Feb 3, 2015 1:52:03pm

re: #182 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Canadian Navy concentrates on ASW, split between the Atlantic and the Pacific. You can usually tell Canadian destroyers by the curved deck lines on the bow to keep ice from forming. Often, Canadian destroyers have their flightdecks up towards the amidships to reduce roll and pitch during landing a helicopter. They tend to be well regarded and capable warships.

If you say so, I was just linking to an old Internet joke (so old in fact that it’s verging on prehistoric). :)

196 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 1:52:48pm

re: #193 Teukka

Hey, IIRC, Canada doesn’t use that style of moose warning signs, that one is used in Europe?

This is what we use.

Moose Crossing
197 De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2015 1:53:25pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

Dim Jim is posting a bunch of ISIS torture porn.

Or as he probably calls it, “kiddie lit.”

198 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 1:55:58pm
199 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 1:57:03pm

re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#187

Didn’t you get the memo?

///

Didja get that thing I sent ya?

200 sizzzzlerz  Feb 3, 2015 1:58:30pm
And vicious attack Møøse.

If you’ve got any careless sisters, keep a very close eye on them.

No, really…a moose bit my sister…

Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

201 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2015 1:59:09pm

Grandpa Munster sez wut?

202 BeachDem  Feb 3, 2015 2:00:24pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

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I know I keep beating this dead horse, but would somebody ask Vox why the fuck Obama would have been “pandering” to anti-vaxxers in the first place? The whole construct makes no sense.

As I’ve mentioned before, the biggest group of anti-vaxxers were in California and Obama won CA by 24 points in 2008, so there would have been no earthly reason for him to pander to the loons.

203 Archangelus  Feb 3, 2015 2:01:05pm

re: #144 Lidane

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204 Archangelus  Feb 3, 2015 2:02:39pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

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And if you connect the dots on that snake, they probably spell out “anti-vax parents are idiots”…

205 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 2:02:59pm
206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 2:10:58pm

re: #162 nines09

Maybe Ted Cruz can go to some hell hole where vaccinations are being kept out due to war or religion or stark fear of both. Maybe he could visit a ward of children who will die that night because they were not immunized. Maybe he could but he won’t. Because it’s all a political game. Fuck the kids, I’m making hay here with the bottom feeding suckers that my Cult depends on. (R) =Religious Fanatic

He can just hang out here in ‘Murica for a little while longer…

207 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 2:10:59pm

More Rude Pundit:

Is it possible to talk about Sean Duffy’s beliefs without using the words “dumb,” “misinformed,” “fucktarded,” or “ass backwards”? Maybe you could leave out one or two, but, no, it’s not possible. Because Duffy’s idiotic views should be put in rhetorical stocks so the rest of us can throw rotting fruits of truth at it. He should be pantsed and whipped into the night, bemoaning that he ever doubted reality. And if some future opponent hasn’t already made a commercial using the footage of him saying that it’s an “oppressive state” that wants to prevent polio, Wisconsin Democrats should just close up shop. - See more at: rudepundit.blogspot.com

208 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 3, 2015 2:11:55pm

re:
#202

I know I keep beating this dead horse, but would somebody ask Vox why the fuck Obama would have been “pandering” to anti-vaxxers in the first place? The whole construct makes no sense.

Magic Balance Fairy (MBF).

Christie was caught pandering, or perceived to be pandering to, the anti-vacc crowd, so that automatically means that somewhere, sometime, Obama or another leading Dem, pandered to the anti-vaccs, too.

The duty of Vox, Politico, CNN, Washington Post, etc, is to demonstrate that “both sides do it”…

Half sarc

209 retired cynic  Feb 3, 2015 2:12:39pm

re: #208 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Not even half/

210 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 2:13:24pm

...

211 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 2:16:41pm

re: #172 sizzzzlerz

No, but they do have several crack platoons of hyper-aggressive commando beavers.

Still my favorite Welcome to Canada Beaver video:

and this one:

212 BlueSpotinAL  Feb 3, 2015 2:19:35pm

Any politician is going to try to have it both ways. You SHOULD vaccinate (after all they aren’t anti-science unless it gets them more net votes), but don’t ask for a stance on policy on exemptions.

213 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 2:25:41pm

re: #163 b_sharp

They do offer good beer.

FTFY.

214 BeachDem  Feb 3, 2015 2:28:34pm

re: #207 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

More Rude Pundit:

And he wraps it up nicely with:

The reason why we’re pretending this is even a debate is that we’re not willing to say, flatly, that some things aren’t worth talking about. We give in, again, to the mania for giving multiple sides equal time, or any time, even if one of those sides is barking, fucking mad. That’s not polite discourse. That’s insanity. That’s suicide.

215 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 2:33:06pm

re: #214 BeachDem

And he wraps it up nicely with:

The reason why we’re pretending this is even a debate is that we’re not willing to say, flatly, that some things aren’t worth talking about. We give in, again, to the mania for giving multiple sides equal time, or any time, even if one of those sides is barking, fucking mad. That’s not polite discourse. That’s insanity. That’s suicide.

If Rude’s not careful, he’s going to join Charles and Driftglass on my Daily Read list.

216 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 2:35:16pm
217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 2:36:18pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

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too late, Rand.
You are already “vaccine damaged”.

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218 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 2:39:58pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

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I don’t think that they should have any problem calling you a pandering, hypocritical nutbag, Rand.

They won’t but it shouldn’t be a problem.

ETA: What exactly are you getting a booster shot for, Rand? MMR? Tetanus? Rabies?

Wait. Too late for that last one.

219 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 2:42:13pm

Sounds like Rand is walking backwards.

What an idiot. And, so many think he is a hell of a politician.

220 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 2:44:18pm

re: #219 ObserverArt

Sounds like Rand is walking backwards.

What an idiot. And, so many think he is a hell of a politician.

‘Hell of a politician’ usually means ‘tells me lies I want to believe.’

221 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 2:46:04pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

Ironic: Today I am getting my booster vaccine. Wonder how the liberal media will misreport this?

The devil’s greatest trick…

‘Liberal media.’ Fuck you, Randy.

222 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 2:46:07pm

re: #220 Romantic Heretic

‘Hell of a politician’ usually means ‘tells me lies I want to believe.’

Tell me, tell me, tell me lies
Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies

Hat tip to Fleetwood Mac!

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 2:47:21pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

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“There’s 400 headlines now that say ‘Paul says vaccines cause mental disorders,’” he added. “That’s not what I said. I said I’ve heard of people who’ve had vaccines and they see a temporal association and they believe that.”

Speaking on CNBC yesterday, Mr. Paul said he was aware of “many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who would up with profound mental disorders after vaccines.”

nytimes.com

The media lied when they quoted my exact words!!11!!!

224 OhNoZombies!  Feb 3, 2015 2:47:46pm

re: #219 ObserverArt

Sounds like Rand is walking backwards.

What an idiot. And, so many think he is a hell of a politician.

Well, who wouldn’t like someone who says you should be able to do whatever the hell you want to do.
Especially if that person has the emotional maturity of an adolescent.

225 dog philosopher  Feb 3, 2015 2:53:53pm

Speaking on CNBC yesterday, Mr. Paul said he was aware of “many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who would up with profound mental disorders after vaccines.”

how else to explain midterms?

226 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 2:54:00pm

Evening Lizardim.

227 blueraven  Feb 3, 2015 2:55:22pm

Speaking of…

Republican presidential hopefuls were asked if they have ever smoked pot.

It was ‘when he was a teenager,’ Cruz’s spokesperson told Daily Mail Online; ‘It was a mistake, and he’s never tried it since’

Rick Perry, Donald Trump and John Bolton say they have never smoked pot;
Rand Paul hints that he ‘wasn’t a choirboy’ - but won’t answer directly

Marco Rubio refuses to answer, saying no one will believe him if the answer is ‘no’; Carly Fiorina will only say she opposes legalizing weed

Spokesmen for Govs. Scott Walker and Gov. Chris Christie, and former neurosurgeon Ben Carson, ignored questions entirely

Bush told the Boston Globe on Friday that he had smoked pot as a teenager at his elite prep school

Read more: dailymail.co.uk

228 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 2:57:43pm

re: #227 blueraven

Speaking of…

Republican presidential hopefuls were asked if they have ever smoked pot.

Read more: dailymail.co.uk

Oh, but how I long for the day when a presidential candidate responds to the question with “Sure I did. Didn’t you?”

229 A Mom Anon  Feb 3, 2015 2:57:54pm

I’ve tried to formulate a response to this stupid anti vax shit all day and I can’t. What pisses me off is when autism is used as the excuse as to why not vaccinate. So, a dead kid is better than an autistic one? We’re really going there? I dare one of these fucking irresponsible dipshits to say it to my face.

Also too, I find it somewhat amusing that all the assholes claiming vaccines ruin people were, most likely….wait for it…..VACCINATED themselves as children. So it’s real easy for them to foist this shit on their kids and the rest of us since they are benefitting from the SCIENCE behind the vaccines and won’t get sick themselves.

I cannot deal with the level of fucking stupid this brings up. Yeah, kale and herbs and rubbing some sort of salve on your kids will keep them safe from all diseases. God I hate selfish, that alone is enough, but to pile a metric shit ton of stupid on top of it is more than I can handle.

230 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 2:57:56pm

I guess he is out to stamp out the last little bit of the ‘good’ left in his name.

ESPN - Lance Armstrong hit parked cars

DENVER — Disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong hit two parked cars after a night of partying in Aspen but agreed to let his longtime girlfriend take the blame to avoid national attention, police reports show.

Weeks after the Dec. 28 accident, Aspen police cited Armstrong with failing to report an accident and speeding, but only after his girlfriend, Anna Hansen, admitted to lying for him.

Police say Anna Hansen admitted to lying about being behind the wheel of Lance Armstrong’s SUV after he hit several parked cars in Aspen.

Armstrong declined immediate comment, and his attorney, Pamela Mackey, didn’t immediately return a call.

Hansen initially told police she had been driving home from an Aspen Art Museum party when she lost control of Armstrong’s GMC Yukon on the icy roads, hitting the cars. She said she drove because “Lance had a little bit to drink,” according to the reports.

A man who had been renting one of the damaged cars told a police detective that Hansen came running up to his house in high heels, apologizing and promising to pay for the repairs.

“She said, ‘I’m Anna, we’re the Armstrongs, my husband’s Lance, he was just driving maybe too fast around the corner or something,’” the man told police, according to the reports.

-CUT-

231 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 2:58:18pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

nytimes.com

The media lied when they quoted my exact words!!11!!!

Those bastards!

232 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 3:02:11pm

The news is currently reading a story about a man who shot at police when they were called at a local high-end grocery. The store was evacuated and the SWAT team was called in. The gunman is currently assumed on the loose in the St. Louis Park area. At least there aren’t any casualties yet, but nevertheless, it’s a tense time for those in the southwest suburbs.

233 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 3, 2015 3:03:36pm

re: #232 thedopefishlives

See that too. Haven’t seen anything confirmed yet.

234 blueraven  Feb 3, 2015 3:04:53pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

Oh, but how I long for the day when a presidential candidate responds to the question with “Sure I did. Didn’t you?”

Well Obama kinda did.
He was asked “if he inhaled” and answered “Yes, that was the whole point.”

Damn, most people these days, I think, have at least tried weed. It is so stupid to dance around it.

235 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 3:04:57pm

re: #229 A Mom Anon

I’ve tried to formulate a response to this stupid anti vax shit all day and I can’t. What pisses me off is when autism is used as the excuse as to why not vaccinate. So, a dead kid is better than an autistic one? We’re really going there? I dare one of these fucking irresponsible dipshits to say it to my face.

Also too, I find it somewhat amusing that all the assholes claiming vaccines ruin people were, most likely….wait for it…..VACCINATED themselves as children. So it’s real easy for them to foist this shit on their kids and the rest of us since they are benefitting from the SCIENCE behind the vaccines and won’t get sick themselves.

I cannot deal with the level of fucking stupid this brings up. Yeah, kale and herbs and rubbing some sort of salve on your kids will keep them safe from all diseases. God I hate selfish, that alone is enough, but to pile a metric shit ton of stupid on top of it is more than I can handle.

Posts like this make me wish for a multiple upding function.

236 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:05:54pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

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What a tool. Yes Rand, it’s the media’s fault that you came off as anti-vax kook. Go worship Aqua Buddha and actually take some accountability for once in your life you spoiled brat.

237 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 3:06:02pm

re: #229 A Mom Anon

I’ve tried to formulate a response to this stupid anti vax shit all day and I can’t. What pisses me off is when autism is used as the excuse as to why not vaccinate. So, a dead kid is better than an autistic one? We’re really going there? I dare one of these fucking irresponsible dipshits to say it to my face.

Also too, I find it somewhat amusing that all the assholes claiming vaccines ruin people were, most likely….wait for it…..VACCINATED themselves as children. So it’s real easy for them to foist this shit on their kids and the rest of us since they are benefitting from the SCIENCE behind the vaccines and won’t get sick themselves.

I cannot deal with the level of fucking stupid this brings up. Yeah, kale and herbs and rubbing some sort of salve on your kids will keep them safe from all diseases. God I hate selfish, that alone is enough, but to pile a metric shit ton of stupid on top of it is more than I can handle.

The thing is, parents who don’t vaccinate don’t think they’re taking a risk by NOT doing it. And for a long time, that was true. They were coasting on all the responsible people who aren’t stupid, because they all had their kids vaccinated so that the children of the stupid and irresponsible were not going to be exposed.

But now there are so many stupid irresponsible people that the risk of exposure is real again.

The other thing is, most of the people having children now never experienced mumps, measles, polio, or any of the other diseases that largely went away after my generation were children. Nobody our kids knew ever had them, so they’re not real to them.

OTOH, many of them know kids On The Spectrum, and might even know more severely autistic kids. THAT is real to them.

238 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 3:06:42pm

re: #230 ObserverArt

I guess he is out to stamp out the last little bit of the ‘good’ left in his name.

ESPN - Lance Armstrong hit parked cars

Aw, geez.

239 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:07:23pm

re: #229 A Mom Anon

I’ve tried to formulate a response to this stupid anti vax shit all day and I can’t. What pisses me off is when autism is used as the excuse as to why not vaccinate. So, a dead kid is better than an autistic one? We’re really going there? I dare one of these fucking irresponsible dipshits to say it to my face.

Also too, I find it somewhat amusing that all the assholes claiming vaccines ruin people were, most likely….wait for it…..VACCINATED themselves as children. So it’s real easy for them to foist this shit on their kids and the rest of us since they are benefitting from the SCIENCE behind the vaccines and won’t get sick themselves.
I’ve been waiting for your response on this since I know both you and Gene have kids like myself on the Spectrum. And great point about the assholes demonizing vaccines chances are were vaccinized themselves. It’s unbelievably selfish but it goes back to the whole taking for granted thing I’ve been talking about throughout the whole debate.
I cannot deal with the level of fucking stupid this brings up. Yeah, kale and herbs and rubbing some sort of salve on your kids will keep them safe from all diseases. God I hate selfish, that alone is enough, but to pile a metric shit ton of stupid on top of it is more than I can handle.

240 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:08:09pm

re: #230 ObserverArt

I guess he is out to stamp out the last little bit of the ‘good’ left in his name.

ESPN - Lance Armstrong hit parked cars

I can’t think of any athlete who has lost more of their reputation than Lance in recent years. People never liked A-Rod and Bonds much.

241 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 3:08:47pm

re: #234 blueraven

Well Obama kinda did.
He was asked “if he inhaled” and answered “Yes, that was the whole point.”

Damn, most people these days, I think, have at least tried weed. It is so stupid to dance around it.

Hell, way I figure it, when they finally legalize pot nationally, I won’t give a shit if the President fires up a doobie now and then. Hell, we’ve had presidents who’ve smoked, we’ve had ones who drank, and we all know that Dubya was a coke addict at one time (granted he’d cleaned up ages before he ran for Prez).

242 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:11:31pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

Hell, way I figure it, when they finally legalize pot nationally, I won’t give a shit if the President fires up a doobie now and then. Hell, we’ve had presidents who’ve smoked, we’ve had ones who drank, and we all know that Dubya was a coke addict at one time (granted he’d cleaned up ages before he ran for Prez).

W is both a recovering coke addict and alcoholic. Good for him for getting his life together but I can’t imagine the same Republicans and right wingers who forgave that in him doing that to a Democrat. But yeah if/when we legalize pot nationwide, I wouldn’t begrudge any president who lights one up. Hey stressful job. I do think Obama’s been the most straightforward of any presidential nominee I’ve ever seen on the issue.

243 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 3:14:51pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

W is both a recovering coke addict and alcoholic. Good for him for getting his life together but I can’t imagine the same Republicans and right wingers who forgave that in him doing that to a Democrat. But yeah if/when we legalize pot nationwide, I wouldn’t begrudge any president who lights one up. Hey stressful job. I do think Obama’s been the most straightforward of any presidential nominee I’ve ever seen on the issue.

The reason ODS is getting even more frenzied, instead of gradually declining, is that they can’t get any dirt on him. What little there is he’s been completely up-front about, and there just isn’t any more. It’s driving them absolutely rabid. And he persists in being blah!!!!

244 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 3:16:21pm
245 CarolJ  Feb 3, 2015 3:16:58pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I’ve often have thought that the reason we know more about Aspergers, autism, and ADD is because now that fewer diseases are killing a lot of children, medical resources can now be devoted to making sure children can thrive as well as survive.

246 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:17:50pm

re: #243 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The reason ODS is getting even more frenzied, instead of gradually declining, is that they can’t get any dirt on him. What little there is he’s been completely up-front about, and there just isn’t any more. It’s driving them absolutely rabid. And he persists in being blah!!!!

Yep. The most pathetic are when they rehash old stuff or really grasp at straws like Hoft did with the Washington brewing his own beer mistake. I mean Reagan said stupid shit all the time and they loved him for it. But then again Reagan did Iran-Contra too.

247 OhNoZombies!  Feb 3, 2015 3:17:53pm

re: #244 #FergusonFireside

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That’s somethin’ right there.

248 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 3:18:46pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

I can’t think of any athlete who has lost more of their reputation than Lance in recent years. People never liked A-Rod and Bonds much.

Pretty sad, isn’t it? I guess I had him all wrong. I can’t believe he turned out like this. But to run into parked cars and have your girlfriend stand in for you pretty much says he is a dishonest asshole.

What I can’t figure is why he can’t see the character issue and how something like this will set his cheater reputation in stone.

So long Lance, it really hasn’t been nice knowing you.

249 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 3:19:22pm

re: #245 CarolJ

I’ve often have thought that the reason we know more about Aspergers, autism, and ADD is because now that fewer diseases are killing a lot of children, medical resources can now be devoted to making sure children can thrive as well as survive.

That seems to have been the story of our species: The more people who manage to progress past adolescence and procreate, the more illnesses we either didn’t know about or didn’t see expressed as frequently in the general population that have become prevalent.

250 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 3:19:38pm

Hi.

251 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:19:46pm

re: #245 CarolJ

I’ve often have thought that the reason we know more about Aspergers, autism, and ADD is because now that fewer diseases are killing a lot of children, medical resources can now be devoted to making sure children can thrive as well as survive.

You know, I never thought about that but that’s a good point. Really, I’m lucky to live in this era. I don’t think I could have graduated high school if I had lived in a different time. Well maybe high school but no way in hell would I have graduated college. The resources available to special needs students (in my case giving me an accommodation to type my tests) was such a big help.my own experiences are why I don’t like people who take for granted the progress made and also romanticize the past.

252 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 3:20:06pm

bbl, commute calls.

253 stpaulbear  Feb 3, 2015 3:21:09pm

re: #244 #FergusonFireside

Did Jindal paint it himself while looking in a mirror? The hair part is on the wrong side.

254 A Mom Anon  Feb 3, 2015 3:22:47pm

re: #235 makeitstop

Aww shucks, lol. My son will be 21 in March. He was diagnosed with PDD-NOS and later Asperger Syndrome in early childhood, around age 5. He’s also had all his vaccines. So did his sister, and she’s not on the spectrum. My husband and I were also vaccinated as kids, we’re not on the spectrum either. I could go down a really long line of people, autistic and not, who had all their shots as kids. It proves nothing, that moronic Wakefield study was debunked several years ago now, and people still cling to it like Jesus wrote it himself. I am so sick of pseudoscience bullshit, about everything, not just this, but all the other crap too. I’m sick of stupid getting more airtime than smart.

255 CarolJ  Feb 3, 2015 3:23:42pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

Good point. Treating diseases on the spectrum takes years and a lot of work. It wouldn’t make much sense to start too early if the kid wouldn’t even make it to high school. Or if there was no high school to go to. So a lot of therapy would have been postponed until adulthood, when basic survival was less of an issue.

256 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 3:24:38pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

Ironic: Today I am getting my booster vaccine. Wonder how the liberal media will misreport this?

Luap Dnar. Still an AquaBuddha kidnapper.

257 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 3:25:07pm

re: #244 #FergusonFireside

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258 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 3:25:10pm

re: #250 Varek Raith

Hi.

[Spontaneously combusts.]

Now look what you’ve done.

259 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 3:25:57pm

re: #244 #FergusonFireside

260 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 3, 2015 3:26:05pm

re: #257 b.d.

It said on the paint can the color was “flesh”

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He used the “Paint by numbers Official Portrait Edition”

261 Ace-o-aces  Feb 3, 2015 3:26:20pm
262 stpaulbear  Feb 3, 2015 3:27:08pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong hit two parked cars after a night of partying in Aspen but agreed to let his longtime girlfriend take the blame to avoid national attention, police reports show.

How’d that work our for you, Lance? Yeesh.

263 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 3:27:11pm

Well, you know, the vaccines the parents had can give the child autism. No really, this is a dead-normal claim among anti-vaxxers.

It’s a good thing Dave Barry retired, because every other sentence would have to be: “I swear I’m not making this up.”

264 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 3:27:20pm
265 makeitstop  Feb 3, 2015 3:27:26pm

re: #237 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing is, most of the people having children now never experienced mumps, measles, polio, or any of the other diseases that largely went away after my generation were children. Nobody our kids knew ever had them, so they’re not real to them.

Apply that line of thinking to attitudes towards unions:

‘Hey, we’ve got a 40 hour week and weekends off. What do we need unions for?’

Or the environment:

‘The water in my town is totally drinkable! The Clean Water Act is unnecessary!’

Too many people were not around when things weren’t as good as they are now, and they assume things were always that good, without anyone having to make them that way.

266 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:27:45pm

re: #248 ObserverArt

Pretty sad, isn’t it? I guess I had him all wrong. I can’t believe he turned out like this. But to run into parked cars and have you girlfriend stand in for you pretty much says he is a dishonest asshole.

What I can’t figure is why he can’t see the character issue and how something like this will set his cheater reputation in stone.

So long Lance, it really hasn’t been nice knowing you.

It is sad. Never was a cycling fan but he was a nice story.

267 A Mom Anon  Feb 3, 2015 3:28:12pm

OK Lizards, The Husband is home and we’re about to sit down and have dinner. Sorry for the drive by, life is busy and weird right now, lol. I miss this place though. Be excellent to one another. I hope to be back soon, before the week is out.

268 dog philosopher  Feb 3, 2015 3:28:35pm

re: #257 b.d.

It said on the paint can the color was “flesh”

//

i want the zombie paint set cuz it has a color called ‘brainz’

269 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 3:29:06pm
270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 3:29:42pm

re: #245 CarolJ

I’ve often have thought that the reason we know more about Aspergers, autism, and ADD is because now that fewer diseases are killing a lot of children, medical resources can now be devoted to making sure children can thrive as well as survive.

Back in the day, and even long before that, autistic kids would (depending where they were on the spectrum) be warehoused or labeled lazy/incorrigible/etc and left to their own devices.

271 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 3:30:00pm

Finally some representation for Ecru-Americans.

272 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 3:30:15pm

re: #263 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, you know, the vaccines the parents had can give the child autism. No really, this is a dead-normal claim among anti-vaxxers.

It’s a good thing Dave Barry retired, because every other sentence would have to be: “I swear I’m not making this up.”

I would love to see the the twisted logic that results in parents’ vaccines affecting their reproduction.

Then again, no, I really, REALLY wouldn’t.

273 CarolJ  Feb 3, 2015 3:31:14pm

Millions of people have been vaccinated at rates approaching 95-98% for decades. Why isn’t everybody on the spectrum at least in a mild way? And there are nations that vaccination is compulsory and universal: the kids who have fled Central America have all been vaccinated: if they were on the spectrum, that would have shown up by now.

274 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 3:32:18pm
275 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:32:28pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Back in the day, and even long before that, autistic kids would (depending where they were on the spectrum) be warehoused or labeled lazy/incorrigible/etc and left to their own devices.

It would have been so difficult to live back then. I really would love to read more about how people on the spectrum managed. Really, it’s tough now but I can’t imagine it in an era with the social stigmas combined with there not being resources and technology available to make life easier. As I said, I would have probably been a high school dropout or only a high school graduate in the age before computers. My handwriting is that bad. I’ve tried making it legible my entire life and it’s still really bad.

276 OhNoZombies!  Feb 3, 2015 3:32:54pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

You know, I never thought about that but that’s a good point. Really, I’m lucky to live in this era. I don’t think I could have graduated high school if I had lived in a different time. Well maybe high school but no way in hell would I have graduated college. The resources available to special needs students (in my case giving me an accommodation to type my tests) was such a big help.my own experiences are why I don’t like people who take for granted the progress made and also romanticize the past.

I just wish I had been diagnosed with ADD before age 35. I can’t help but think I would have finished college, and probably would have been saved from tremendous heartache academically. Unfortunately, quiet, inattentive girls were overlooked back then.

278 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 3:33:40pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

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Probably.

That is pretty damning actually considering how slanted to the right wing PolitiFact is.

279 Lidane  Feb 3, 2015 3:33:45pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Needs moar Captain Morgan.

280 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:34:34pm

re: #276 OhNoZombies!

I just wish I had been diagnosed with ADD before age 35. I can’t help but think I would have finished college, and probably would have been saved from tremendous heartache academically. Unfortunately, quiet, inattentive girls were overlooked back then.

My dad is someone who would have benefitted with an ADD diagnosis. Really, I see people complain about the overdiagnoizing of things lke ADD and I kind of see the point there but at the same time, we missed so much in the past too and lazily labeled people much worse in the past.

281 CarolJ  Feb 3, 2015 3:34:43pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

I learned I had ADD just this decade. When I look back on the missed opportunities I could cry. But the resources weren’t there back in the 1960’s for this sort of thing. It took a long time to end the stigma against scientifically treating mental disorders, and a needed space for researchers.

I wish more adults on the spectrum would speak out.

282 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:35:05pm

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

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283 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 3:35:43pm

re: #265 makeitstop

Apply that line of thinking to attitudes towards unions:

‘Hey, we’ve got a 40 hour week and weekends of. What do we need unions for?’

Or the environment:

‘The water in my town is totally drinkable! The Clean Water Act is unnecessary!’

Too many people were not around when things weren’t as good as they are now, and they assume things were always that good, without anyone having to make them that way.

Too bloody right! Those who grew up in the 70s and 80s only know unions as big corrupt organizations as mired in dinosaur thinking as the companies they worked with. All the benefits unions had provided were taken as a given, so what was the point of them?

As you say, same thing for clean air and water. The Cuyahoga River fucking CAUGHT FIRE!!! My Dad grew up in Pittsburgh and told me of the time the smoke was so bad he had to walk down a streetcar line waving his handkerchief so his friend following him an a car could see to drive. All that is gone. People see pictures from the bad old days and assume it was just lousy weather, but that was the fucking AIR!!!

But just like with vaccines, we’re seeing the effect of complacency. Middle class wages declining, the 8-hour day/40 hr week ‘redefined’ to give employers ‘flexibility’.

284 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:36:44pm

Finding out I was on the spectrum was difficult. I always thought I was a quiet kid with shitty handwriting and one who really got into the subjects he liked. I had never even heard of Asperger’s before my diagnosis. Today though it’s more well known. I am lucky to be alive when I’ve been alive but I do wish I had been diagnosed younger like many kids are now. I got diagnosed after much of my social development. If I had been diagnosed at 5 instead of 15, I think my social skills would be much better today.

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 3:38:00pm

re: #281 CarolJ

I learned I had ADD just this decade. When I look back on the missed opportunities I could cry. But the resources weren’t there back in the 1960’s for this sort of thing. It took a long time to end the stigma against scientifically treating mental disorders, and a needed space for researchers.

I wish more adults on the spectrum would speak out.

I’ll tell you why most of them who I know don’t speak out: because the bad labels are still there.
If they say anything, they get branded with the whiner making excuses label and are told to “buck up and get over it”.

sigh.

286 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 3:38:35pm

The 50s and 60s were really fucked up—no recognition of real mental problems, but if you had asthma really bad, like I did from ~7-17, it was “all in your head.”

287 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 3:38:44pm

BREAKING: Bobby Jindal’s portrait takes lead in Iowa polling.

288 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 3:38:54pm

Well. The furnace stopped working this morning. The HVAC guys are here now getting it working again.

The temperature in the house is 59°

289 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:39:18pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll tell you why most of them who I know don’t speak out: because the bad labels are still there.
If they say anything, they get branded with the whiner making excuses label and are told to “buck up and get over it”.

sigh.

I am sadly guilty of this. I don’t like declaring I have a disability. I’m at heart a very proud person.Not an egomaniac or anything like that but it does hurt my pride at times to say “I have a disability” especially when it involves jobs or dating.

290 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 3:39:21pm

re: #287 b.d.

BREAKING: Bobby Jindal’s portrait takes lead in Iowa polling.

Basic Campfire for Republican Nomination.

/World of Warcraft joke
//Too obscure?

291 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 3:39:34pm

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

Well. The furnace stopped working this morning. The HVAC guys are here now getting it working again.

The temperature in the house is 59°

The clear solution is to move to CA, where it is currently 75 outside.

/sigh

292 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 3:39:56pm

re: #290 thedopefishlives

Basic Campfire for Republican Nomination.

/World of Warcraft joke
//Too obscure?

Offers +5 to spirit!

293 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 3:40:03pm

re: #291 klystron

The clear solution is to move to CA, where it is currently 75 outside.

/sigh

You could always come and visit me. We had a snowstorm during rush hour that made a complete disaster area of the entire Twin Cities.

294 blueraven  Feb 3, 2015 3:40:06pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

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No way in hell anyone would ever guess that was supposed to be a likeness of Bobby Jindal.

WTF? I could do better.

295 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 3:40:44pm

re: #293 thedopefishlives

You could always come and visit me. We had a snowstorm during rush hour that made a complete disaster area of the entire Twin Cities.

They tell me, those sneaky weathermen, that we are supposed to get rain this Friday.

I am vaguely hopeful.

296 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 3:41:08pm

Bobby Jindal is a white dude?
SINCE WHEN?!?!
/

297 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 3:42:06pm

re: #294 blueraven

No way in hell anyone would ever guess that was supposed to be a likeness of Bobby Jindal.

WTF? I could do better.

it looks more like the bastard child of Rick Perry and George W. Bush, done using a paint-by-numbers kit with not enough brown.

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 3:42:18pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I am sadly guilty of this. I don’t like declaring I have a disability. I’m at heart a very proud person.Not an egomaniac or anything like that but it does hurt my pride at times to say “I have a disability” especially when it involves jobs or dating.

It’s especially difficult when people tell you it’s no big deal and you should just get over it and try harder.

299 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:42:18pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

Bobby Jindal is a white dude?
SINCE WHEN?!?!
/

He did change his name to Bobby because of the Brady Bunch or so I think I read. No word if he has a cute sister named Marsha.

300 CarolJ  Feb 3, 2015 3:42:43pm

But if speaking out smacks down those arrogant parents who think being on the spectrum is so bad that they are willing to risk debilitating disease, it’s important to talk.

And BTW, what happens to a kid, who despite all of the granola stuff still is on the spectrum anyway? No drugs, obviously, and a lot of guilt-tripping for being less than a perfect kid, which is what these parents can only accept.

301 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 3:42:47pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

Bobby Jindal is a white dude?
SINCE WHEN?!?!
/

I thought it was Timothy Hutton.

302 blueraven  Feb 3, 2015 3:42:47pm

re: #294 blueraven

No way in hell anyone would ever guess that was supposed to be a likeness of Bobby Jindal.

WTF? I could do better.

lolwut?
303 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 3:43:15pm

re: #302 blueraven

Image: lolwut?

Did George W paint that portrait?

304 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:44:28pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s especially difficult when people tell you it’s no big deal and you should just get over it and try harder.

Yeah. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told to just “man up.” Really it effects my psyche. Asperger’s often comes with anxiety and my anxiety leads to some OCD like behaviors where I have to know where certain things are or I get really anxious and there’s also depression. Things have gotten better with time but I really wish there was more empathy for people on the spectrum. At the same time, I’m not looking for pity either but ultimately what I want is understanding and respect.

305 CarolJ  Feb 3, 2015 3:44:36pm

Portraits have certainly gone downhill since I was a kid. Of course the painter he probably really wanted, Thomas Kinkade, is no longer with us.

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 3:45:11pm

re: #300 CarolJ

But if speaking out smacks down those arrogant parents who think being on the spectrum is so bad that they are willing to risk debilitating disease, it’s important to talk.

And BTW, what happens to a kid, who despite all of the granola stuff still is on the spectrum anyway? No drugs, obviously, and a lot of guilt-tripping for being less than a perfect kid, which is what these parents can only accept.

Depends on how rich the parents are.

307 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 3:45:47pm

re: #291 klystron

The clear solution is to move to CA, where it is currently 75 outside.

/sigh

Or Miami, where my kids live.

308 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 3:46:06pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s especially difficult when people tell you it’s no big deal and you should just get over it and try harder.

This! This! A thousand times, THIS!!!

True for depression, true for anxiety, true for pretty much any mental or emotional problem. People who don’t get it, DON’T GET IT, and their ‘sharing their experiences’, like “When I feel down, I just tell myself to get over it, and I feel much better!” is tantamount to mental cruelty.

309 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 3:46:25pm

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

Or Miami, where my kids live.

I suppose your children might have a better claim. Also, fewer earthquakes.

310 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 3:46:48pm

re: #229 A Mom Anon

I’ve tried to formulate a response to this stupid anti vax shit all day and I can’t. What pisses me off is when autism is used as the excuse as to why not vaccinate. So, a dead kid is better than an autistic one? We’re really going there? I dare one of these fucking irresponsible dipshits to say it to my face.

Also too, I find it somewhat amusing that all the assholes claiming vaccines ruin people were, most likely….wait for it…..VACCINATED themselves as children. So it’s real easy for them to foist this shit on their kids and the rest of us since they are benefitting from the SCIENCE behind the vaccines and won’t get sick themselves.

I cannot deal with the level of fucking stupid this brings up. Yeah, kale and herbs and rubbing some sort of salve on your kids will keep them safe from all diseases. God I hate selfish, that alone is enough, but to pile a metric shit ton of stupid on top of it is more than I can handle.

I love your snark.

311 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:47:06pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

Depends on how rich the parents are.

That’s one way I’ve been lucky. And I think it really has shaped a lot of my world outlook. I know I would have had a much tougher time in school if my family wasn’t well off and I know there are other kids like me out there and some even more intelligent who struggle to get by in school simply because they weren’t born into privilege. That’s just not fair. We don’t choose our socioeconomic surroundings at birth.

312 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 3:47:12pm

re: #293 thedopefishlives

You could always come and visit me. We had a snowstorm during rush hour that made a complete disaster area of the entire Twin Cities.

We just had the 3rd biggest blizzard of Detroit history.

More snow tonight.

313 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 3:47:28pm

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

Well. The furnace stopped working this morning. The HVAC guys are here now getting it working again.

The temperature in the house is 59°

Ugh! At least you have the driveway plowed now so the HVAC can get to your place.

314 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:48:26pm

This actually feels good getting off my back so thank you.

315 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 3:48:29pm

I’m wearing a fleece hoodie but I left my fingertip gloves at work.

316 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 3:48:56pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Did Sammy Sosa paint that?

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 3:49:30pm

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

We just had the 3rd biggest blizzard of Detroit history.

More snow tonight.

MrBWS headed back to work after having his CT scan this morning. He missed two days of work already this week (no paid sick days) so, if there’s any big outages up your way, he’ll be there.

318 A Cranky One  Feb 3, 2015 3:49:32pm

re: #309 klystron

I suppose your children might have a better claim. Also, fewer earthquakes.

Sounds like Klystron is in the mood for some good pie!

319 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 3:49:43pm

re: #279 Lidane

Needs moar Captain Morgan.

320 dog philosopher  Feb 3, 2015 3:49:59pm

id participate in this floccination debate but it makes me feel clumpy

321 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 3:50:08pm

So the big freakout now with the wingnuts is that Obama mentioned OBAMACARE!!!! when commenting on the Jordanian pilot that was burned to death.

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 3, 2015 3:50:11pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

I’ve worked in two restaurants preparing food, and I could never get near the food without washing my hands. Go to the bathroom? Wash your hands. Work the register? Wash your hands. Go to the back to do dishes? Wash your hands. Sweep the floor? Wash your hands. And it wasn’t just a two second deal, you had to lather your hands for 20 seconds and then rinse them under water that was just shy of boiling.

At the first job, the manager would actually time me to make sure I was holding to the regulation. At the second, I had to wash my hands even though I was then putting on gloves to handle the food itself. Lawmakers may think this shit is unnecessary, but the major businesses take it very seriously. Why? Because they are liable for customers getting sick and doubly so if those sick customers then die. It’s not a matter of reputation, it’s a matter of lawsuits. If I neglected to properly wash my hands and a customer subsequently died of food poisoning, being fired was the least of my worries.

I’m sure Tillis will follow up the first change with a second limiting or eliminating tort damage based on food-borne illnesses. :p

323 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:50:13pm

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

This! This! A thousand times, THIS!!!

True for depression, true for anxiety, true for pretty much any mental or emotional problem. People who don’t get it, DON’T GET IT, and their ‘sharing their experiences’, like “When I feel down, I just tell myself to get over it, and I feel much better!” is tantamount to mental cruelty.

I’ve seen some cartoons that were pretty much “What if you told someone with a physical illness what people tell people with mental health issues” and it really illustrated how absurd many of the cliches are. I know people try to mean well but for me I find it hard to get over lingering thoughts. Frankly I still get haunted by things that happened years ago. I don’t let it define me but it’s harder for me than most to just let it go.

324 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 3:50:46pm

re: #321 Kid A

So the big freakout now with the wingnuts is that Obama mentioned OBAMACARE!!!! when commenting on the Jordanian pilot that was burned to death.

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What a jackass.

325 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 3:50:49pm
326 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 3:50:50pm

re: #318 A Cranky One

Sounds like Klystron is in the mood for some good pie!

327 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 3:51:47pm

re: #319 jaunte

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Kinda a wide stance for old Bobby too.

328 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 3:52:12pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

This actually feels good getting off my back so thank you.

You’re awesome in my book. I have suspicions that I would land on the spectrum if I were to be examined - Asperger’s is a common diagnosis in my industry - but I’ve never seen a mental health specialist, ever. My upbringing was correspondingly difficult, with my parents seemingly at a loss as to how to handle me at many points, and resulting in crippling depression that still occasionally plagues me. But do I blame vaccines for it all? Oh, heck no. Neither do my folks - they insist on vaccinations for their grandspawn. It’s just not a discussion.

329 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 3:52:12pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I thought that’s what you see after staring at PacMan for too long and then looking at a white surface….

330 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 3:52:28pm

331 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 3:53:29pm

re: #260 nearly-headless smith25

He used the “Paint by numbers Official Portrait Edition”

They got the famous painter who restored the Martinez Christo.

332 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 3:53:39pm

re: #327 b.d.

That “painting” is bad even by Thomas Kinkade standards.

333 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 3:54:27pm

re: #332 Kid A

Hey, look at how realistic the brickwork looks.

334 CarolJ  Feb 3, 2015 3:54:27pm

re: #322 Feline Fearless Leader

He’s trying to get women back into the kitchen by killing the restaurant industry. If eating out was a form of Russian Roulette, fewer people would eat out because they couldn’t trust the food.

335 BeachDem  Feb 3, 2015 3:56:26pm

re: #281 CarolJ

I learned I had ADD just this decade. When I look back on the missed opportunities I could cry. But the resources weren’t there back in the 1960’s for this sort of thing. It took a long time to end the stigma against scientifically treating mental disorders, and a needed space for researchers.

I wish more adults on the spectrum would speak out.

I know it’s just a TV show, but Parenthood did a great job with their Asperger’s storyline for one of the kid characters and then one of the adult characters who interacted with the kid saw a lot of the same traits in himself and found out more about it.

336 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 3:56:34pm

There’s just no way in hell that Jindal “painting” is real. It even looks like it’s been shopped, LOL

337 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 3:56:56pm

re: #300 CarolJ

But if speaking out smacks down those arrogant parents who think being on the spectrum is so bad that they are willing to risk debilitating disease, it’s important to talk.

And BTW, what happens to a kid, who despite all of the granola stuff still is on the spectrum anyway? No drugs, obviously, and a lot of guilt-tripping for being less than a perfect kid, which is what these parents can only accept.

I don’t know if you or others have seen this video of Jenny McCarthy. I had posted it two threads down right before another thread opened up.

Check out what she says cured her child of autism. I think that is around the 6 minute mark. She claims a diet free of gluten and yeast along with some work retraining his brain cured him.

Where is the Jenny McCarthy Center for the Treatment of Autism?

I do understand the retraining of the brain…a good friend, since passed, had a severely Autistic son and they worked a lot on training him to understand his limits and that he was autistic and then worked from there. He is doing very well these days.

338 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 3:58:37pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

339 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 3:58:56pm

Not the first time they’ve tweaked his skin color for an official portrait.

340 A Cranky One  Feb 3, 2015 3:59:17pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

This actually feels good getting off my back so thank you.

I’ve reached the point where I’m comfortable talking about my depression. I refuse to accept any stigma that folks might have toward mental illness. By being open about my condition, I hope to encourage other folks to do the same. I also hope that over time people might start viewing such illness differently.

341 philosophus invidius  Feb 3, 2015 3:59:56pm

Netflix is down. Can’t help wondering: North Korea?

342 unproven innocence  Feb 3, 2015 4:00:09pm

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

Well. The furnace stopped working this morning. The HVAC guys are here now getting it working again.

The temperature in the house is 59°

I’ve been using 3 or so small portable heaters this winter. Each has a thermostat, and 4 heating levels: 600w, 900w, 1500w, and fan-only. Adequate and flexible. Caveat! The wall plug on one melted, apparently due to poor connection of copper wires in the 2-prong plug, so I’ve replaced it.

343 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 4:01:46pm

Greta just said that the Jordanian pilot was dressed in “a Gitmo-orange jumpsuit.”

344 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 4:03:16pm

re: #342 unproven innocence

I’ve been using 3 or so small portable heaters this winter. Each has a thermostat, and 4 heating levels: 600w, 900w, 1500w, and fan-only. Adequate and flexible. Caveat! The wall plug on one melted, apparently due to poor connection of copper wires in the 2-prong plug, so I’ve replaced it.

Odd fact: If your appliance power cord has the UL label, that might mean the appliance passed Underwriters’ Laboratories tests. However, it might mean the power cord passed its test.

345 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 4:03:17pm

oh. my. dog…

346 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 4:06:29pm

re: #328 thedopefishlives

You’re awesome in my book. I have suspicions that I would land on the spectrum if I were to be examined - Asperger’s is a common diagnosis in my industry - but I’ve never seen a mental health specialist, ever. My upbringing was correspondingly difficult, with my parents seemingly at a loss as to how to handle me at many points, and resulting in crippling depression that still occasionally plagues me. But do I blame vaccines for it all? Oh, heck no. Neither do my folks - they insist on vaccinations for their grandspawn. It’s just not a discussion.

I can’t really claim to have Aspergers either because I haven’t been formally diagnosed, but I have 2 grandkids with high func autism and my daughter is as well. It’s the only thing that explains the horror my school years were and that girls had to approach me.

347 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 4:06:38pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh. my. dog…

Vermont’s New Motto Is In Latin; Conservatives Lose Their Sh*t And Bash Latinos

Classical.

348 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 4:07:15pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are some seriously good comments.

Ive got no problem with that. I’m more concerned that you stop teaching the Hindu-Arabic number system in schools. I for one am sick of all the pandering to foreigners in this country. We should be using American numbers.

349 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 4:07:27pm
350 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 3, 2015 4:07:38pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

He did change his name to Bobby because of the Brady Bunch or so I think I read. No word if he has a cute sister named Marsha.

But Marsha is also secretly Machete!
;)

351 darthstar  Feb 3, 2015 4:08:52pm

So, Christie, Paul and Cruz are officially going off the deep end. That’s refreshing.

What about this guy whose portrait pales in comparison.

UPDATE: Apparently, this is the official portrait (still pretty white):

352 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 4:09:10pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh. my. dog…

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Well, Victor Davis Hanson—this is the side you picked. Happy?

353 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 4:09:17pm
We at FOX NEWS are very disappointed in the state of Vermont and its decision to use the language of the illegal invaders as its state motto. How much pressure did the White house put on the state and is it just the first step in Obama giving Vermont back to the Mexicans? We all remember what happened during World War one when Mexico bombed pearl harbor!!!,, Remember the Alamo!! Please tune in to tonight’s Hannity with special guest Sarah Palin for the breakdown and breaking news, She claims to have proof that North Korea is plotting with Mexico, don’t miss it!
354 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 4:11:14pm
355 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 4:11:42pm

Hmmm. Your highness, I don’t think anyone would mind you keeping any captured oil fields.

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356 Timothy Watson  Feb 3, 2015 4:12:50pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh. my. dog…

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BARTLET
After it, therefore because of it. It means one thing follows the other, therefore it was caused by the other, but it’s not always true. In fact, it’s hardly ever true. We did not lose Texas because of the hat joke. Do you know when we lost Texas?

C.J.
When you learned to speak Latin?

357 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 3, 2015 4:12:51pm

re: #339 klystron

Not the first time they’ve tweaked his skin color for an official portrait.

It’s uncanny how much the light-skinned official portrait looks like Alfred E. Neuman.

358 Bubblehead II  Feb 3, 2015 4:13:52pm

re: #36 ComradeDread

So if my religion demanded that I sacrifice my children to Yahweh or Molech, should I have the freedom to do that too?

I wish there were a vaccine against Stupidity.

There is. It’s called education. Unfortunately, just as the anti-vaxers don’t want kids getting vaccinated, the republican party doesn’t want them getting an education. Both to the detriment of this Country.

359 darthstar  Feb 3, 2015 4:14:02pm
360 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 4:15:01pm

re: #349 Charles Johnson

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I occasionally listen to parts of Morning Joe on sat. radio on my drive into work.

Joe is obviously not an honest broker and his bullying everyone around him doesn’t get lost when it is only audio either.

361 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 3, 2015 4:15:20pm

re: #354 Kid A

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Every time you use Google Translate for Latin, Deus catulum necat.

362 darthstar  Feb 3, 2015 4:16:39pm

re: #351 darthstar

Updated that post with the official official portrait of Governor Gilligan.

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 4:17:58pm
364 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:19:24pm

re: #350 Feline Fearless Leader

But Marsha is also secretly Machete!
;)

Jan is also Carl Showater/Nucky Thompson.

365 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 4:19:58pm

re: #361 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

366 BeachDem  Feb 3, 2015 4:20:12pm

Ben Carson already backpeddling his stopped clock moment of sanity about vaccines.

“We have to account for the fact that we now have people coming into the country sometimes undocumented people who perhaps have diseases that we had under control,” he said…

and trying to help out fellow-traveler, Randy:

“Well, I listened to what he said and I think perhaps it’s not exactly being portrayed the way he meant it. You know, if you were to talk to him, I’m sure he would tell you that vaccines are very, very important and have made a tremendous difference in our society,” Carson said. “He’s simply saying we don’t want to be forced. We want to have some choice.

talkingpointsmemo.com

367 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:20:47pm

re: #366 BeachDem

Ben Carson already backpeddling his stopped clock moment of sanity about vaccines.

“We have to account for the fact that we now have people coming into the country sometimes undocumented people who perhaps have diseases that we had under control,” he said…

and trying to help out fellow-traveler, Randy:

“Well, I listened to what he said and I think perhaps it’s not exactly being portrayed the way he meant it. You know, if you were to talk to him, I’m sure he would tell you that vaccines are very, very important and have made a tremendous difference in our society,” Carson said. “He’s simply saying we don’t want to be forced. We want to have some choice.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Well that didn’t take long at all.

368 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:21:25pm

Funny how Carson and Paul don’t give two shits about “choice” when it comes to women controlling their pregnancies.

369 Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2015 4:22:01pm

re: #366 BeachDem

Ben Carson already backpeddling his stopped clock moment of sanity about vaccines.

“We have to account for the fact that we now have people coming into the country sometimes undocumented people who perhaps have diseases that we had under control,” he said…

and trying to help out fellow-traveler, Randy:

“Well, I listened to what he said and I think perhaps it’s not exactly being portrayed the way he meant it. You know, if you were to talk to him, I’m sure he would tell you that vaccines are very, very important and have made a tremendous difference in our society,” Carson said. “He’s simply saying we don’t want to be forced. We want to have some choice.

talkingpointsmemo.com

So he not only jump on the “choice” bandwagon, but he proceeds to blow the “ILLEGALS!!!” dog whistle.

I admit, I didn’t think Republicans would be this quick to show themselves to be total fucking idiots.

370 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:23:55pm

I am eagerly awaiting the Republicans to become anti-Israel if Bibi is defeated at the polls.

371 Timothy Watson  Feb 3, 2015 4:24:01pm

(I am sitting in a junior level business law class listening to a lecture on separation of powers. Why not make students have to take a U.S. Government class instead?)

372 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:24:42pm

re: #371 Timothy Watson

(I am sitting in a junior level business law class listening to a lecture on separation of powers. Why not make students have to take a U.S. Government class instead?)

We require one in the commonwealth or are you talking about for college students.

373 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 4:26:27pm

You know, we often make cracks on how Chuck C. Johnson jumps onto anything that comes along to try to milk it into hits, bucks and attention?

I guess he gets it all from some of his favorite conservative presidential candidates.

Is there any story they won’t twist into “progressives bad” and “Obama wrong” before even knowing the lay of the land?

These are leaders? Pandering assholes are now leaders?

374 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 4:26:35pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

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I Tweeted this:

375 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 4:27:26pm

re: #374 The Vicious Babushka

That is amazing.

376 BeachDem  Feb 3, 2015 4:29:30pm

re: #369 Targetpractice

So he not only jump on the “choice” bandwagon, but he proceeds to blow the “ILLEGALS!!!” dog whistle.

I admit, I didn’t think Republicans would be this quick to show themselves to be total fucking idiots.

But Chuck Todd (ugh) plays magical balance fairy. What an asshole he is:

What this goes down to is, we’ve been politicizing science now in the last decade in a lot of ways,” Todd said.

Yeah, Toady, you major tool, there’s science, then there’s the political right which doesn’t believe in science, and there’s the media to present “both sides.”

Referring to a tweet from Hillary Clinton that read “The science is clear: The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork,” Todd said: “I think that came across as a little bit condescending.”

Yeah, Toady, how condescending of her to say science is real. Of course, he was discussing things with that noted scientist, Matt Lauer, so there’s that.

talkingpointsmemo.com

377 Timothy Watson  Feb 3, 2015 4:30:13pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

We require one in the commonwealth or are you talking about for college students.

College: Virginia Commonwealth University.

This class is absolute torture. When did college become a replacement for high school? Why not make college students majoring in business take POLI-103 (United States Government) and actually focus on, you know, actual business law stuff?

(This class is even more annoying since I am in post-baccalaureate certificate program for accounting and my bachelor’s degree was in criminal justice, where the classes go over criminal procedure, constitutional issues, and civil liability. )

378 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:30:25pm

re: #376 BeachDem

But Chuck Todd (ugh) plays magical balance fairy. What an asshole he is:

What this goes down to is, we’ve been politicizing science now in the last decade in a lot of ways,” Todd said.

Yeah, Toady, you major tool, there’s science, then there’s the political right which doesn’t believe in science, and there’s the media to present “both sides.”

Referring to a tweet from Hillary Clinton that read “The science is clear: The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork,” Todd said: “I think that came across as a little bit condescending.”

Yeah, Toady, how condescending of her to say science is real. Of course, he was discussing things with that noted scientist, Matt Lauer, so there’s that.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Todd’s the condescending one trying to convince us with this MBF crap. Be an actual journalist Chuck rather than a hack.

379 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 4:31:39pm

Heat is back on. YAYY!!!

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 4:33:06pm

oh good freaking grief:

381 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 3, 2015 4:33:32pm

Pilot taking ‘selfies’ before fatal Colorado crash: report

(Reuters) - The pilot of a small plane was taking selfie pictures with a cellphone on a series of short flights around a Colorado airport in 2014 before he crashed on one of the jaunts, killing himself and a passenger, federal investigators found…

382 BeachDem  Feb 3, 2015 4:33:51pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

Be an actual journalist Chuck rather than a hack.

Assumes skills not in evidence.

383 Archangelus  Feb 3, 2015 4:34:32pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh. my. dog…

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384 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 4:35:32pm

Oh look, a Canadian Libertarian==>

385 Timothy Watson  Feb 3, 2015 4:35:41pm

re: #377 Timothy Watson

I shouldn’t knock just this class, I am also in a sophomore level accounting class when 95% of the class can’t do a high school level algebra problem.

(In theory, students should have completed a precalculus class in their first year although it isn’t a prequisite for the accounting class.)

386 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:35:48pm

re: #377 Timothy Watson

College: Virginia Commonwealth University.

This class is absolute torture. When did college become a replacement for high school? Why not make college students majoring in business take POLI-103 (United States Government) and actually focus on, you know, actual business law stuff?

(This class is even more annoying since I am in post-baccalaureate certificate program for accounting and my bachelor’s degree was in criminal justice, where the classes go over criminal procedure, constitutional issues, and civil liability. )

Ah definitely.

387 Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2015 4:37:50pm

re: #291 klystron

The clear solution is to move to CA, where it is currently 75 outside.

/sigh

It’s been 75 degrees outside (or more) every day but two since last March. Or maybe last February. Since every day is exactly the same as every other day I’ve lost track.

388 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 4:39:08pm

re: #376 BeachDem

But Chuck Todd (ugh) plays magical balance fairy. What an asshole he is:

What this goes down to is, we’ve been politicizing science now in the last decade in a lot of ways,” Todd said.

Yeah, Toady, you major tool, there’s science, then there’s the political right which doesn’t believe in science, and there’s the media to present “both sides.”

Referring to a tweet from Hillary Clinton that read “The science is clear: The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork,” Todd said: “I think that came across as a little bit condescending.”

Yeah, Toady, how condescending of her to say science is real. Of course, he was discussing things with that noted scientist, Matt Lauer, so there’s that.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Notice the NBC generated title under Todd:

The Great Vaccination Debate

Clinton was not condescending enough. Look at what NBC is trying to make a debatable issue.

389 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 4:41:26pm

You want condescending. How about pretty much every Mitt Romney speech about how kids should just borrow 20K from their parents and start a business or how nearly half the country are moochers. There’s nothing wrong with what Hillary said.

390 Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2015 4:41:45pm

re: #336 Kid A

There’s just no way in hell that Jindal “painting” is real. It even looks like it’s been shopped, LOL

I’m sorry to tell everyone that this isn’t the official Bobby Jindal portrait. It’s just a gift from an incredibly untalented admirer.

The real official portrait isn’t a whole lot better, but at least in it Jindal hasn’t had a race change operation.

391 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 4:42:54pm

re: #390 Skip Intro

I’m sorry to tell everyone that this isn’t the official Bobby Jindal portrait. It’s just a gift from an incredibly untalented admirer.

The real official portrait isn’t a whole lot better, but at least in it Jindal hasn’t had a race change operation.

Hey, don’t screw up a good story! /

392 b.d.  Feb 3, 2015 4:43:05pm

re: #390 Skip Intro

I’m sorry to tell everyone that this isn’t the official Bobby Jindal portrait. It’s just a gift from an incredibly untalented admirer.

The real official portrait isn’t a whole lot better, but at least in it Jindal hasn’t had a race change operation.

Sorry, at this point I am going to have and demand that this becomes the official portrait.

//

393 Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2015 4:46:55pm

re: #391 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hey, don’t screw up a good story! /

I know. I hate it when that happens.

394 OhNoZombies!  Feb 3, 2015 4:47:24pm

re: #390 Skip Intro

I’m sorry to tell everyone that this isn’t the official Bobby Jindal portrait. It’s just a gift from an incredibly untalented admirer.

The real official portrait isn’t a whole lot better, but at least in it Jindal hasn’t had a race change operation.

It’s still weird.

395 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 4:50:45pm

And I take back what I said about it looking like Timothy Hutton. I’ve since seen a bigger version and it’s Tom Kavanaugh to the life.

396 teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2015 4:54:15pm
397 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 4:54:24pm

HURR HURR NO MOAR REGULASHUNZ!!!! NOBODY FOLLOWS THEM ANYWAYS!!!!

398 Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2015 5:00:15pm

re: #397 The Vicious Babushka

LET THE FREE MARKET DECIDE!!!!!!!!!

399 Kid A  Feb 3, 2015 5:00:53pm

re: #384 The Vicious Babushka

400 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 5:01:27pm

re: #397 The Vicious Babushka

This is why I have my own extensive herbal gardens.

401 BeachDem  Feb 3, 2015 5:02:01pm

Just pre-ordered the Harper Lee book. So excited.

For anyone who hasn’t seen it, PBS’ Harper Lee: Hey Boo is really interesting.

Harper Lee: Hey, Boo chronicles how this beloved novel came to be written, provides the context and history of the Deep South where it is set, and documents the many ways the novel has changed minds and shaped history…

Containing never-before-seen photos and letters, Hey, Boo features insightful interviews with friends and an exclusive interview with Lee’s sister, Alice Finch Lee (age 99 at filming), who share intimate recollections, anecdotes and biographical details for the first time, offering new insight into the life and mind of Harper Lee

pbs.org

402 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 5:03:47pm
403 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 5:06:58pm

re: #402 Charles Johnson

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Podcast person says what?

404 b_sharp  Feb 3, 2015 5:07:30pm

re: #399 Kid A

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Canada’s version of the Texas wingnut.

405 TedStriker  Feb 3, 2015 5:12:57pm

re: #75 Lidane

Basic hygiene shouldn’t be an option, especially if food preparation is involved.

What the actual fuck? And this guy is a Senator?

Hey, cholera, E. coli, and hepatitis A for everyone!

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406 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 5:15:23pm

Speaking of both NBC and books. I was bored this morning and flipping through the morning shows. Came across Today pushing the movie “50 Shades of Grey” and they were talking it up with the ladies saying they can’t wait to see it, etc.

I wondered why they were pushing it so hard. Answer: A Universal Pictures release. Well, there it is. Another previously good show stripped down to selling crap.

I understand the book was pretty bad…I figure the movie will be bad too. But, it will sell. Crap sells, good art is too much for the average American. It makes them think too much.

You know…the Today show is considered a part of NBC News. Just like Chuck Todd is also considered part of the news team.

Hucksters all!

And with that…later all. Heading out to a friends house for a visit. Keep on the hucksters…

407 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 3, 2015 5:17:48pm

re: #402 Charles Johnson

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Also, “to[o] hard in Obama.” The jokes write themselves.

408 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 5:18:23pm
409 goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2015 5:18:25pm
Supreme Court lets stand ruling that firing woman for breastfeeding not sexist since men can lactate

The ACLU’s Galen Sherwin wrote Monday that former Nationwide Insurance Company employee Angela Ames sued her employer when she returned from maternity leave to find that no allowances had been made to enable her to pump breast milk for her baby during the day.

When Ames asked her supervisor for accommodations that would enable her to express milk and store it for her child, the supervisor reportedly responded that Ames should “go home and be with your babies” instead. That supervisor went on to dictate a letter of resignation to Ames that day, effectively forcing her to resign.

410 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 5:21:18pm

re: #409 goddamnedfrank

Insane ruling.
Male lactation is not a sign of normal health.

“…scientists documented lactation in male WWII prison camp survivors, who had suffered months of starvation. After receiving adequate nutrition, their hormone-producing glands rebounded far quicker than their livers (which normally metabolize hormones), resulting in hormonal spikes that caused lactation.

Similarly, a condition called liver cirrhosis can cause lactation by disrupting the organ’s normal, hormone-metabolizing function.”
livescience.com

411 TedStriker  Feb 3, 2015 5:22:58pm

re: #115 sizzzzlerz

These fuckers have gone completely over the edge. Making basic health, sanitation, and disease prevention into a political football? WTF? This is pure, unadulterated insanity. I know that they yearn for the days gone by but I can’t believe they mean the dark ages and those halcyon days of the black plague.

Hating on the black guy is one thing but this is absurd.

Having a federal government headed by a black man Democrat does that to them…

412 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 5:23:30pm

re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is why I have my own extensive herbal gardens.

CMIIW but “supplements” are not covered by the FDA because they are not a food and not a drug.

413 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 5:25:40pm

I think he is saying “Work will make you free”

414 goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2015 5:28:34pm

LOLWUT?

415 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 5:29:25pm

re: #413 The Vicious Babushka

I suppose we’ll never hear him talk about “the dignity of sports businesses paying for their own stadiums.”

416 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 5:29:41pm

re: #409 goddamnedfrank

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I work with new office plans all day. All of the big offices now have Mother’s rooms. Progress.

417 goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2015 5:30:10pm

My bullshit detector just exploded.

418 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 5:31:28pm

Doing “journalism” (releasing stolen Powerpoints one slide at a time) from his jungletop fortress means he never has to worry about being captured by Daesh

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 5:31:49pm

re: #409 goddamnedfrank

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Beat you to it at littlegreenfootballs.com

420 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 5:31:51pm

Vaccine injuries. Never heard that before this stupid “debate”

421 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 5:32:35pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

My bullshit detector just exploded.

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That’s the “Hot Asian Wife” Twitter account.

422 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 5:33:08pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

My bullshit detector just exploded.

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SEE??? I told y’all they have renamed autism as “vaccine injury” because the autism-vaccine link is totally debunked.

423 bratwurst  Feb 3, 2015 5:35:13pm

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the “Hot Asian Wife” Twitter account.

The profile pic does indeed have DOZENS of matches on google image search.

424 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 5:35:19pm

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

SEE??? I told y’all they have renamed autism as “vaccine injury” because the autism-vaccine link is totally debunked.

And their first young woman KILLED BY GARDASIL!!! ZOMG!! died in a car wreck—but they won’t stop quoting her name.

425 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 5:36:44pm

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

SEE??? I told y’all they have renamed autism as “vaccine injury” because the autism-vaccine link is totally debunked.

Perhaps the response should be, “If your kids were injured by vaccines, the disease itself would probably have seriously fucked them up.”

There’s a low level of side effects with any treatment, including vaccines. There’s a much higher level of deleterious effects from the actual disease. That’s why we vaccinate. It’s really fucking simple, but as I said above, antivaxxers don’t see any risk in NOT doing it, because they have no experience

426 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 5:38:11pm

re: #423 bratwurst

The profile pic does indeed have DOZENS of matches on google image search.

Korean Medium Length Hairstyle stock photo

427 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 5:38:28pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

“If I present you with an unproved hypothetical, debate over!”

428 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 5:39:39pm

I wasn’t going to share this, but I think I must now. This is a screenshot of a Registered Nurse, whose husband is a surgeon, and their kids were autism caused by vaccines until they suddenly turned around and changed the label to “vaccine injured”:

Talk about moving goalposts…

429 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 5:39:58pm

re: #426 The Vicious Babushka

Korean Medium Length Hairstyle stock photo

To be fair, though, I’m pretty sure the guy she’s replying to doesn’t look like HIS avatar, either…
/////

430 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 5:41:46pm

re: #428 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wasn’t going to share this, but I think I must now. This is a screenshot of a Registered Nurse, whose husband is a surgeon, and their kids were autism caused by vaccines until they suddenly turned around and changed the label to “vaccine injured”:

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Talk about moving goalposts…

So many people don’t get that ‘Post hoc ergo propter hoc’ is a FALLACY, not an ARGUMENT.

431 goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2015 5:43:59pm

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the “Hot Asian Wife” Twitter account.

That’s @ChucksAsianWife, a parody account. This one is different, older, hates the Catholic Church with a passion. Chuck and his wife are Catholic. @jasian12345 has been following Chuck for awhile, is conservative and slams muslims every chance she gets. Last night she accused me of being a paid for operative of some shadowy nebulous pro vaccination campaign. I wish.

432 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 5:44:05pm

re: #428 Backwoods_Sleuth

433 TedStriker  Feb 3, 2015 5:47:00pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

They spray maple syrup

Agent Maple.

434 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 5:48:39pm

So now I see the right are starting to push back on this story, arguing that since Paul and Cruz and Christie think parents should vaccinate their children, they’re somehow off the hook.

The thing is, they’re arguing for the status quo in which measles and pertussis are making a comeback and threaten unvaccinated children and those who either can’t be vaccinated or are immune compromised. They’re putting some illusory ‘freedom of conscience’ above actual lives.

Basically they’re trying to simultaneously not appear crazy AND appeal to their base who are.

435 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 5:50:26pm

re: #434 Blind Frog Belly White

This is the real pandering story that the magical balance tapper was trying to elide.

436 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 5:50:50pm

re: #431 goddamnedfrank

That’s @ChucksAsianWife, a parody account. This one is different, older, hates the Catholic Church with a passion. Chuck and his wife are Catholic. @jasian12345 has been following Chuck for awhile, is conservative and slams muslims every chance she gets. Last night she accused me of being a paid for operative of some shadowy nebulous pro vaccination campaign. I wish.

That must be the They who only want you to know what They want you to know. If only They existed. I could make some cash.

437 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 5:52:50pm

re: #428 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wasn’t going to share this, but I think I must now. This is a screenshot of a Registered Nurse, whose husband is a surgeon, and their kids were autism caused by vaccines until they suddenly turned around and changed the label to “vaccine injured”:

Embedded Image

Talk about moving goalposts…

Like POTUS said, we must have more research into what causes these problems. Parents, even fucking surgeons and nurses don’t want to wait, they want to blame.

Segue into how awful this has demonized those on the spectrum.

438 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 5:53:24pm

re: #429 Blind Frog Belly White

To be fair, though, I’m pretty sure the guy she’s replying to doesn’t look like HIS avatar, either…
/////

haha.

439 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 5:55:27pm

re: #437 #FergusonFireside

Like POTUS said, we must have more research into what causes these problems. Parents, even fucking surgeons and nurses don’t want to wait, they want to blame.

Segue into how awful this has demonized those on the spectrum.

This is the person I mentioned the other night who was chelating her kids several times a week until the kids started seriously resisting, so she only chelates them a couple times a month now.

Talk about freaking child abuse.

440 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 5:56:24pm

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the person I mentioned the other night who was chelating her kids several times a week until the kids started seriously resisting, so she only chelates them a couple times a month now.

Talk about freaking child abuse.

That is flat out child abuse. At least in my opinion.

441 De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2015 5:56:26pm

From the NY Times today:

Bernice Gordon, Crossword Creator for The Times, Dies at 101

Bernice Gordon’s first crossword puzzle for The NY Times ran in 1952; her last, in 2014.

To the end of her life, Mrs. Gordon created a puzzle a day, toiling in the wee hours of the morning — her favorite time — at her home in Philadelphia, borne along on a sea of reference books. She worked by hand, on graph paper, for decades before switching to a computer when she was about 90.

442 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 5:58:46pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

My bullshit detector just exploded.

i have two kids with vaccine injuries - so i dont buy that hon. what direct experience do you have?

Another response might be, “If your kids are among the tiny fraction of vaccinees who had an actual severe adverse reaction, then I’m sorry. If your kids are On The Spectrum, then stop looking for people to blame.”

443 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2015 6:02:48pm

re: #440 klystron

That is flat out child abuse. At least in my opinion.

Yes. Doing something risky to your children on the basis of not only BAD science, but actually NO science is child abuse.

A few years ago, I was reading about a split in the ‘Autism Community’ between the parents of kids On The Spectrum searching for The Cure, and teens and adults On The Spectrum who were sick and tired of hearing they needed to be cured, that there was something desperately wrong with them.

444 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 6:04:30pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

As someone who has always loved history the ignorance of people about The Good Old Days™ never fails to make me want to smack them with a sawed off pool cue.

I feel the same way about the war mongering chicken hawks.

445 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 6:07:08pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll tell you why most of them who I know don’t speak out: because the bad labels are still there.
If they say anything, they get branded with the whiner making excuses label and are told to “buck up and get over it”.

sigh.

As this cartoon so nicely demonstrates.

446 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:08:12pm

re: #443 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. Doing something risky to your children on the basis of not only BAD science, but actually NO science is child abuse.

A few years ago, I was reading about a split in the ‘Autism Community’ between the parents of kids On The Spectrum searching for The Cure, and teens and adults On The Spectrum who were sick and tired of hearing they needed to be cured, that there was something desperately wrong with them.

^^THIS!!^^

And I get so sick and tired of the parents (mostly moms) who keep trying to shame people who look askance when their kids have “meltdowns” in public and blame it on autism.

447 Tigger2  Feb 3, 2015 6:09:49pm

re: #384 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look, a Canadian Libertarian==>

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I see a fool added his 2 cents.

448 De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2015 6:24:49pm
Watching “A Tale of Two Cities” (1935) on TCM. I didn’t know that it took the French Revolutionaries only eight minutes to overthrow Louis XVI.
449 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 6:26:52pm

re: #384 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look, a Canadian Libertarian==>

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More correctly, an Albertan.

Alberta is Canada’s Texas. Most of them know they are far better people than the libtards in the other provinces and they really think they would better off without the rest of us dragging them down.

450 De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2015 6:28:40pm

re: #447 Tigger2

I see a fool added his 2 cents.

Only 2 cents? They sound like a “loonie” to me.

451 BlueSpotinAL  Feb 3, 2015 6:47:28pm

re: #397 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR NO MOAR REGULASHUNZ!!!! NOBODY FOLLOWS THEM ANYWAYS!!!!

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Homeopathic herbs!!

452 BlueSpotinAL  Feb 3, 2015 6:56:26pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

My bullshit detector just exploded.

[Embedded content]

Ask them how much money they got from the vaccine injury compensation program.

453 vgranucci  Feb 3, 2015 7:33:59pm

re: #57 lawhawk

Does Ganesh have 4 arms? I thought that was Kali.

454 tourist11382000  Feb 5, 2015 7:26:13am

In the netherlands it is simple….. If your kid is not vaccinated it does not go to school. The religious nuts (yes we have them) are literally a menace to other human beings by not vaccinating.
Its funny that the most occurrences of measles happens in our bible belt (yes we have that too)


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