Creationist Neurosurgeon Ben Carson: Measles Outbreak Caused by “Undocumented People”

The xenophobia excuse
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You may have heard that loony right wing creationist neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson came out yesterday with a pretty strong statement in support of vaccinations.

Well, that was yesterday, and yesterday’s gone. Today Carson has gotten his xenophobic marching orders, and he’s blaming the measles outbreak on immigrants.

“These are things that we had under control. We have to account for the fact that we now have people coming into the country sometimes undocumented people who perhaps have diseases that we had under control,” he said. “So now we need to be doubly vigilant about making sure that we immunize them to keep them from getting diseases that once were under control.”

Dr. Carson is apparently unaware that Central American countries and Mexico typically have higher rates of vaccination than the United States — because in these countries, they know very well the horrible toll diseases like measles can exact, and they take it seriously. (Unlike the US, where a lot of people have seemingly forgotten this natural fact.)

Oh, and also? Carson defended Rand Paul’s statement that parents should be allowed to choose whether or not to have their children vaccinated.

“Well, I listened to what he said and I think perhaps it’s not exactly being portrayed the way he meant it. You know, if you were to talk to him, I’m sure he would tell you that vaccines are very, very important and have made a tremendous difference in our society,” Carson said. “He’s simply saying we don’t want to be forced. We want to have some choice. And I think there are ways to do this in a reasonable and rational way that involves educating the populace. There were a lot of myths going around about vaccinations causing autism.”

The GOP is very rapidly becoming the party that enshrines anti-vaccine doctrine as a matter of personal choice … or “illegals” … or “religious freedom” …

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206 comments

1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:02:14pm

The fact remains, there would be NO MEASLES OUTBREAK if Americans would just freakin vaccinate!!!

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:03:27pm

And, as someone who has NO immunity to measles, I would sincerely appreciate every freaking American get their damned selves vaccinated.

3 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 6:03:27pm
4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:05:09pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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heh…I called it on Saturday:
littlegreenfootballs.com

5 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 6:05:12pm
6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:06:10pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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I thought it was Dearborn, Michigan? Or someplace in Louisiana?
That’s what the wingnuts keep saying…

7 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 6:07:25pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Which American city will become majority Muslim first?

I think before an American city become majority Muslim
Chuck C. will develop a sense of shame.

8 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 6:08:27pm

So, a couple more black people were killed by police today.

10 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 6:14:56pm
11 TedStriker  Feb 3, 2015 6:16:23pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Crisis actors!!!11ty

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:16:24pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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And he missed the whole Hobby Lobby et al thing about how companies can deny contraception coverage in employer-paid health insurance.

13 teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2015 6:17:02pm

CARSON/PALIN 2016

14 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 6:20:01pm

How do those “illeagles who will work for $1/hr” afford Disneyland admission?

15 calochortus  Feb 3, 2015 6:21:18pm

Undocumented immigrants like the 7 year old unvaccinated boy who caused an outbreak of measles in 2008 after visiting Switzerland (which apparently has a relatively low level of vaccination) with his parents?

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:22:05pm

his come-to-jesus-and-be-forgiven-moment:

17 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 6:22:40pm
18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:24:13pm
19 team_fukit  Feb 3, 2015 6:25:09pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

guess it’s safe to say he’s running for President if he’s copping to that

20 teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2015 6:27:34pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

his come-to-jesus-and-be-forgiven-moment:

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Too bad Ted Cruz is such a square, he never experienced this after ingesting cannabis:

21 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 6:30:32pm
22 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 6:30:33pm
23 PhillyPretzel  Feb 3, 2015 6:31:31pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

A run on sentence with no direction.

24 retired cynic  Feb 3, 2015 6:31:59pm

re: #23 PhillyPretzel

I thing it made a u-turn and ran into itself.

25 dog philosopher  Feb 3, 2015 6:32:00pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Which American city will become majority Muslim first?

i dont know, but it will happen if ever many years after ted cruz declares that it has

26 ipsos  Feb 3, 2015 6:32:10pm

re: #23 PhillyPretzel

I think it ran off somewhere before UpChuck could catch it. Even his sentences don’t want to be around him any longer than they have to.

27 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 6:33:33pm

When I saw Carson’s statement earlier tonight, I thought that was too good to be true. Waiting a bit, turns out that I was sadly right. He was going to go with the illegal alien angle, which is the one proffered by the AAPS, right wing loons, and xenophobes for decades (because it could never be the fact that but for mandatory vaccinations with no exemptions there wouldn’t have been an outbreak of this magnitude in the first place).

Never mind that Mexico isn’t currently experiencing an outbreak other than cases brought back into Mexico from Disney. The likelihood is that someone visiting the US from overseas carried the disease and the disease spread like wildfire among those who had not been vaccinated in the US.

Let me repeat:

But for the failure to require mandatory vaccination with only exemptions for medical need, this outbreak would not have spread to the size it has.

28 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 6:33:51pm
29 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 3, 2015 6:33:58pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I’m so slow that I’m still trying to understand how depriving women of the ability to control their own reproductive systems is liberty.

30 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 6:34:53pm

“Collective sociopath”=all the voices in Chuck’s head.

31 dog philosopher  Feb 3, 2015 6:36:22pm

pro-liberty candidates

next thing you know 12 year olds will be protesting that stopping them from drinking scotch is an anti-liberty position

32 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 6:37:44pm

re: #29 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m so slow that I’m still trying to understand how depriving women of the ability to control their own reproductive systems is liberty.

Nobody said liberty for wimminz. It’s liberty for men to do what they want with their property.

33 dog philosopher  Feb 3, 2015 6:39:22pm

re: #29 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m so slow that I’m still trying to understand how depriving women of the ability to control their own reproductive systems is liberty.

um because children are owned by their parents is that the right answer?

34 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 6:41:01pm

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

How do those “illeagles who will work for $1/hr” afford Disneyland admission?

Who do you think is trimming all those topiary mice?

35 Romantic Heretic  Feb 3, 2015 6:42:30pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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Translation: N-word in the White House! N-word in the White House! OMFG! N-WORD IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

Note this is shouted while their head is spinning around like one of those evil clowns in Yellow Submarine.

36 D_Red  Feb 3, 2015 6:43:37pm

1. Foreign Born
2. Changed his funny sounding name to fit in (taqqiya??)
3. Father was a communist terrorist
4. Ivy league educated
5. Never had a real job
6. Smoked the evil reefer as a deadbeat minority youth

Ted Ocruzma?

37 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 6:44:03pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fucking A. 6 dead? I swear, the railroad crossing should be a scary thing, not a, uh whatever.

Unless their jeep broke down. WTF

38 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 6:44:10pm
39 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 6:46:45pm

Marching Orders.
Simply amazing, isn’t it? One speaks and the other echos the sentiment. Fox News will report the illegal Invasion tomorrow as the sole reason Religious Non Immunization Liberty and Freedom American Choice And Rights are now at risk.

40 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 6:49:03pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sure. You bet. Uh huh. Yep. Right.

41 RadicalModerate  Feb 3, 2015 6:49:14pm

Thinking back to my childhood, I now realize I had a pretty significant problem with immunity - which really wasn’t spelled out to me by my parents or any others. I pretty much was a magnet for all of the childhood diseases, even though I had the full gamut of immunizations.

Starting at age 2 - tonsillitus requiring surgical removal, and apparently was severe enough that I had to learn how to talk again.

Age 5 - 12 regular bouts with bronchitis, with several instances of onset of bronchial pneumonia to boot.
Age 7 - Mumps (no MMR yet, so bad luck for me)
Age 9 - Measles (non-Rubella)
Age 10-13 - allergic reactions to just about every substance on the planet - fortunately most of these abated with the onset of puberty
Age 20(!) - Chicken pox
All of this left me moderately asthmatic - not a major deal unless I get hit with ear/nose/throat infections, then it turns into about a month of pure hell.

I shudder to think of what I would have had to deal with if I got hit with one of the major diseases like TB. I think I can safely say that my quality (and probably length) of life was significantly improved via vaccination.

42 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 6:49:48pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

his come-to-jesus-and-be-forgiven-moment:

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Every time I see his face I feel like breaking something.

43 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 6:50:29pm

I thought they were kidding but it was true. This actually made it into a movie.

ora.tv

A first edition of the Illiad?

44 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 6:52:39pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

Every time I see his face I feel like breaking something.

He has what they call a punchable face.

45 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 6:53:46pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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Beyond the drunk grammar, they MUST define this criminal behavior. They talk about it endlessly, but never throw the dart on the offense.

GAH

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 6:53:46pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

He has what they call a punchable face.

It actually looks pre-punched.

47 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 6:53:54pm

It’s downright pathetic that they’re trying to claim this is a liberty issue. No assholes. It’s not. Of course, these are the same ones who flipped their collective shit over Ebola. Go fucking figure.

48 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 6:54:27pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Where I came from he would have never ate lunch unless it was prepaid. His face screams sucker punch. He’s so slimy a fly couldn’t land on his face. it would slide off.

49 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 6:54:31pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

It actually looks pre-punched.

He’s just so squirmy.

50 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 6:55:14pm

re: #27 lawhawk

When I saw Carson’s statement earlier tonight, I thought that was too good to be true. Waiting a bit, turns out that I was sadly right. He was going to go with the illegal alien angle, which is the one proffered by the AAPS, right wing loons, and xenophobes for decades (because it could never be the fact that but for mandatory vaccinations with no exemptions there wouldn’t have been an outbreak of this magnitude in the first place).

Never mind that Mexico isn’t currently experiencing an outbreak other than cases brought back into Mexico from Disney. The likelihood is that someone visiting the US from overseas carried the disease and the disease spread like wildfire among those who had not been vaccinated in the US.

Let me repeat:

But for the failure to require mandatory vaccination with only exemptions for medical need, this outbreak would not have spread to the size it has.

Need a post of when all of America’s sickness was blamed on the immigrant.

Or maybe not.

51 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 6:55:18pm

re: #37 #FergusonFireside

I see ppl trying to run around crossing gates at my local station every day.

I’ve been on trains that have hit trespassers (suicides) and those that have hit cars.

Trains are nothing to mess around with. You put your life in your own hands when you cross the tracks when the gates are down or walk on the tracks.

The details are still coming in, but it seems that this car went around the gates, hit an oncoming train that was going full speed, and then burst into flames.

52 Jenner7  Feb 3, 2015 6:55:40pm

So, GOP’s response to the vaccination “debate” is to blame illegals and ignore science.

Just. Insane.

How anyone can vote for a Republican right now is vexing.

53 thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2015 6:56:18pm

re: #51 lawhawk

I see ppl trying to run around crossing gates at my local station every day.

I’ve been on trains that have hit trespassers (suicides) and those that have hit cars.

Trains are nothing to mess around with. You put your life in your own hands when you cross the tracks when the gates are down or walk on the tracks.

The details are still coming in, but it seems that this car went around the gates, hit an oncoming train that was going full speed, and then burst into flames.

54 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 6:57:08pm

re: #52 Jenner7

So, GOP’s response to the vaccination “debate” is to blame illegals and ignore science.

Just. Insane.

How anyone can vote for a Republican right now is vexing stupifying..

FTFY

55 PhillyPretzel  Feb 3, 2015 6:58:11pm

OT: on lighter note. I just posted a page on Amazon. Amazon Prime is 10 years old.

56 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 6:58:35pm

Repeat again. And again.

57 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 6:59:28pm

So let me get this straight: The same people who were peeing their pants over the dangers of Ebola a couple of moths ago are the same one who now think it’s cool for people to be allowed to forgo treatment of communicable diseases on religious grounds, public health be damned?

Alrighty then, that makes perfect sense.

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58 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:00:41pm

re: #56 #FergusonFireside

Repeat again. And again.

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Only in America. Even Marco Rubio has shown some self awareness on this issue. Says a lot about Teddy doesn’t it?

59 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:00:49pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

It’s downright pathetic that they’re trying to claim this is a liberty issue. No assholes. It’s not. Of course, these are the same ones who flipped their collective shit over Ebola. Go fucking figure.

Ha, I just finished typing the same thing! GMTA ;-)

60 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:01:37pm

re: #57 CuriousLurker

So let me get this straight: The same people who were peeing their pants over the dangers of Ebola a couple of moths ago are the same one who now think it’s cool for people to be allowed to forgo treatment of communicable diseases on religious grounds, public health be damned?

Alrighty then, that makes perfect sense.

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Yes, that’s right. My head hurts just thinking about it but then I realize we’re dealing with people whose sole political compass is what Obama does and does not to.

61 Belafon  Feb 3, 2015 7:01:49pm

re: #28 Kragar

Yet the Supreme Court declared in 1905, and reaffirmed later, that the government has the authority to mandate vaccinations.

62 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:03:16pm

So we have two wingnut minds on this issue here. IT”S THE ILLEGALS! Even though the countries that send the most illegals are in fact more vaccinated percentage wise than we are. And we have the others who think refusing vaccinations is a matter of “religious liberty.” I don’t want to hear then these bastards ever complain about Muslim women voluntarily wearing the scarf but then again I know I’m asking too much.

63 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 7:04:05pm

re: #61 Belafon

Yet the Supreme Court declared in 1905, and reaffirmed later, that the government has the authority to mandate vaccinations.

I think that’s called Tyranny nowadays. At least by the Cult Of Choice and Religious Freedom and Liberty. AKA the Grifters AKA Grifters On Parade.

64 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 7:06:03pm
65 lawhawk  Feb 3, 2015 7:06:23pm

re: #51 lawhawk

More current reports:

The jeep was stopped on the track for unknown reasons when the gate fell down on it, according to the spokeswoman.

The female driver had gotten out to look at the back of the vehicle — then got back in and attempted to drive forward but was stuck, according to the MTA official.

When the drive went forward, they moved directly into the path of the oncoming train.

66 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:06:25pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

So we have two wingnut minds on this issue here. IT”S THE ILLEGALS! Even though the countries that send the most illegals are in fact more vaccinated percentage wise than we are. And we have the others who think refusing vaccinations is a matter of “religious liberty.” I don’t want to hear then these bastards ever complain about Muslim women voluntarily wearing the scarf but then again I know I’m asking too much.

Try to pay attention, son: Islam is not a real religion!!11!

67 Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2015 7:07:27pm

GOP… Does it come with Cruz control?

68 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:07:46pm

re: #64 Kragar

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And this is a GOP frontrunner of course.

69 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:08:27pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Try to pay attention, son: Islam is not a real religion!!11!

True, it’s a Satanic cult i totes forgot what all the Islam experts who learned all they needed to know about Islam from Conserveopedia.

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:08:31pm

heh…

71 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:09:28pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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I like how Rand’s not pure enough for some of Daddy’s legions. Both Rand and Ron Paul frankly are two of the biggest frauds ever to step foot in Congress.

72 PhillyPretzel  Feb 3, 2015 7:10:05pm

re: #67 Great White Snark

The only control they have is the party line. That is the only choice.

73 The Mountain That Blogs  Feb 3, 2015 7:11:31pm

re: #61 Belafon

The defendant insists that his liberty is invaded when the State subjects him to fine or imprisonment for neglecting or refusing to submit to vaccination; that a compulsory vaccination law is unreasonable, arbitrary and oppressive, and, therefore, hostile to the inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as to him seems best, and that the execution of such a law against one who objects to vaccination, no matter for what reason, is nothing short of an assault upon his person. But the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy. Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.

-Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 1905

74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 7:14:27pm

And yet these idiots are always going on about The Founders™ (Peace be upon them) and what they would do….

The Founders used to inoculate (not vaccinate) people for smallpox. Any idea what that means, wingnuts? I thought not. It means to infect a person with pus from a smallpox sufferer in order to give them a somewhat milder case themselves.

The advantage of this was that you could do it at a time of your choosing when resources weren’t overloaded during an epidemic and there were people available to take care of you. As a bonus, it had only about a 10% chance of killing you, instead of the usual 30% or more.

And you know what? They were delighted to do it!!! You pusillanimous pantywaists don’t have any idea what disease is all about. Unfortunately, you may be about to find out.

75 Belafon  Feb 3, 2015 7:16:03pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Do you have a source for that?

76 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 7:16:07pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And yet these idiots are always going on about The FoundersTM (Peace be upon them) and what they would do….

The Founders used to inoculate (not vaccinate) people for smallpox. Any idea what that means, wingnuts? I thought not. It means to infect a person with pus from a smallpox sufferer in order to give them a somewhat milder case themselves.

The advantage of this was that you could do it at a time of your choosing when resources weren’t overloaded during an epidemic and there were people available to take care of you. As a bonus, it had only about a 10% chance of killing you, instead of the usual 30% or more.

And you know what? They were delighted to do it!!! You pusillanimous pantywaists don’t have any idea what disease is all about. Unfortunately, you may be about to find out.

Actually they inoculated with cowpox which was a much milder form of the smallpox virus.

77 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 7:17:04pm

re: #75 Belafon

Do you have a source for that?

Edward Jenner and the history of smallpox and vaccination

78 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 7:17:12pm
79 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:19:27pm

I am glad the Polio vaccine wasn’t invented now because if it was, you’d have plenty of anti-vaxx kooks smearing Salk and his work and attempting to sabotage the vaccine.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:19:40pm

more laughs!

81 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 7:19:43pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

Actually they inoculated with cowpox which was a much milder form of the smallpox virus.

No, that’s vaccination, from “vaccinia”—cowpox. “inoculation” is to use pus from a human smallpox victim.

82 calochortus  Feb 3, 2015 7:23:18pm

re: #81 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, that’s vaccination, from “vaccinia”—cowpox. “inoculation” is to use pus from a human smallpox victim.

I think the term vaccination comes from the Latin for cow because of the cowpox improvement on the original inoculation. In the early 18th century they were using smallpox.

Edit: Beat me to it!

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:24:00pm

Meanwhile, this is happening on twitter:

84 calochortus  Feb 3, 2015 7:25:10pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile, this is happening on twitter:

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What reality are we supposed to face? Was there a terrorist attack on the Super Bowl that I am unaware of?

85 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 7:25:24pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait ‘til Newt watches the Matrix. Mind BLOWN.

86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 7:25:47pm

And Wiki says the death rate from inoculation was only 1-2% instead of the 10% I had always read—less than the one in a million for any serious sequelae from current vaccines, anyway.

87 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 7:25:59pm

re: #84 calochortus

What reality are we supposed to face? Was there a terrorist attack on the Super Bowl that I am unaware of?

No, the reality that pro football sucks after the Steelers fold.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:26:06pm

re: #84 calochortus

What reality are we supposed to face? Was there a terrorist attack on the Super Bowl that I am unaware of?

Newt was ranting about ISIS earlier.

89 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 7:26:42pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I am glad the Polio vaccine wasn’t invented now because if it was, you’d have plenty of anti-vaxx kooks smearing Salk and his work and attempting to sabotage the vaccine.

And the other half of the spectrum would be pressuring him into patenting it. Ghouls. Jonas Salk.

90 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 7:26:46pm
91 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 7:26:48pm
92 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 7:29:22pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile, this is happening on twitter:

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93 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2015 7:30:07pm
94 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:30:32pm

OT: Excuse me, but WTFF??

Airplanes to track halal food choices

Meanwhile, in the USA to combat terrorism, another measure has also made headlines, whereby the details of passengers who request halal meals will be recorded.Passengers who will be travelling to and from Europe will also have their details recorded and security officials will be free to interrogate those passengers at any given time. Avramopolus said that a law that provides names, credit card information, and requests of those passengers will also be recorded and registered, will also be passed as early as possible. This law however is currently still bing [sic] debated in the EU parliament. […]

I can’t find any reports of this in MSM sources I’m familiar with (Worldbulletin is a Turkish outfit)—have any of you heard anything like this?

It doesn’t make sense. If they were going to do it, then why would they announce it thereby tipping off potential terrorists? It sounds more like the kind of thing some lame-brained B.S. one of the “counter-jihadist” idiots would would come up with.

95 teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2015 7:30:36pm
96 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:31:02pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

No, the reality that pro football sucks after the Steelers fold.

Yes, yes it does.

97 Belafon  Feb 3, 2015 7:31:21pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

We’ve always had the doubters:

With Mather’s support, Boylston immediately started a variolation program and continued to inoculate many volunteers, despite many adversaries in both the public and the medical community in Boston. As the disease spread, so did the controversy around Mather and Boylston (12). At the height of the epidemic, a bomb was thrown into Mather’s house.

They would later go on to show that the rate of death among those inoculated was much lower than those that weren’t.

98 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:31:34pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

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It’s not the official portrait. Still I wonder how Bobby Jindal got whiter than my Irish ass.

99 Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2015 7:32:07pm

re: #94 CuriousLurker

OT: Excuse me, but WTFF??

I can’t find any reports of this in MSM sources I’m familiar with (Worldbulletin is a Turkish outfit)—have any of you heard anything like this?

It doesn’t make sense. If they were going to do it, then why would they announce it thereby tipping off potential terrorists? It sounds more like the kind of lame-brained B.S. one of the “counter-jihadist” idiots would would come up with.

Magic 8 ball sez….

Bullshit.

100 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:32:11pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile, this is happening on twitter:

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LMAO!

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:34:08pm

And more infowars disappointment with Rand Paul:

102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 7:34:10pm

re: #99 Great White Snark

Magic 8 ball sez….

Bullshit.

Isn’t anything that’s Kosher Halal as well? Why wouldn’t they just order the Kosher meal? Yeah, Bullshit.

103 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 7:35:42pm

re: #92 Kragar

104 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:36:13pm

re: #99 Great White Snark

Magic 8 ball sez….

Bullshit.

I think you’re right. Surely, we’d be hearing all sorts of commotion over something like that, not to mention the 2016 hopefuls would be all over it.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:38:15pm
106 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:39:05pm

re: #102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Isn’t anything that’s Kosher Halal as well? Why wouldn’t they just order the Kosher meal? Yeah, Bullshit.

There are differences. In many ways, but not all, Kosher is stricter. That said, Muslims will often eat kosher if they can’t find halal.

107 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 7:39:48pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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108 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 7:40:05pm

re: #94 CuriousLurker

OT: Excuse me, but WTFF??

I can’t find any reports of this in MSM sources I’m familiar with (Worldbulletin is a Turkish outfit)—have any of you heard anything like this?

It doesn’t make sense. If they were going to do it, then why would they announce it thereby tipping off potential terrorists? It sounds more like the kind of lame-brained B.S. one of the “counter-jihadist” idiots would would come up with.

All passengers will be asked if they have a lamp.

109 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:40:56pm

re: #94 CuriousLurker

OT: Excuse me, but WTFF??

I can’t find any reports of this in MSM sources I’m familiar with (Worldbulletin is a Turkish outfit)—have any of you heard anything like this?

It doesn’t make sense. If they were going to do it, then why would they announce it thereby tipping off potential terrorists? It sounds more like the kind of lame-brained B.S. one of the “counter-jihadist” idiots would would come up with.

Airplanes to track Halal food. Airplanes. Are these like autonomous AI airplanes?

110 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 7:41:05pm

Newt can complain about the ‘elites’ because he was born a poor black child and went into the mines at six.

111 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:41:12pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

There are differences. In many ways, but not all, Kosher is stricter. That said, Muslims will often eat kosher if they can’t find halal.

What are some of the differences? I’m curious. I mean I know a big difference between Islam and Judaism is the forbidding of alcohol. But I’m curious about the other dietary differences too. I’m actually trying to cut down on my meat intake. Tough as hell in this household. You can take the Central European out of Central Europe but you can’t take the Central European out of their dinner plate. I did manage to go vegetarian for the day though so uh yay me.

112 Jenner7  Feb 3, 2015 7:41:44pm

re: #64 Kragar

Half?? Um, no, not even close. It is hard as fuck to get disability benefits. My Mom has a degenerative facet disease in her back and it took 5 years to get benefits. 5 years.

This man is a liar and all around douchebag.

113 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:41:47pm

re: #107 Kragar

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Remember when we got told Newt was the “intellectual” one. Yeah and I remember when John McCain sounded reasonable.

114 nines09  Feb 3, 2015 7:42:54pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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Android wife out of gas. Oil change needed. Blue pills all gone. Ambien talking. Tweet.

115 teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2015 7:43:59pm

Shit’s weird on the internet on my end. All I know is that the Republican Party is moving more far right, and this will continue to go down as long as President Blackenstien is imposing his free-market killing policies because Obummer is Hitler.

etcetera etcetera

116 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:44:57pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

Shit’s weird on the internet on my end. All I know is that the Republican Party is moving more far right, and this will continue to go down as long as President Blackenstien is imposing his free-market killing policies because Obummer is Hitler.

etcetera etcetera

They’ll flip out too if we elect a woman especially Hillary. Imagine the resurge in racism we’ve seen with Obama’s election but imagine it directed at women if Hillary is the next president.

117 Belafon  Feb 3, 2015 7:44:59pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Remember when we got told Newt was the “intellectual” one. Yeah and I remember when John McCain sounded reasonable.

They still are.

118 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 7:45:34pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

They’ll flip out too if we elect a woman especially Hillary. Imagine the resurge in racism we’ve seen with Obama’s election but imagine it directed at women if Hillary is the next president.

Let’s find out.

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:45:41pm

ok, this is my favorite one so far:

120 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:46:11pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

There are differences. In many ways, but not all, Kosher is stricter. That said, Muslims will often eat kosher if they can’t find halal.

This right here —>

theguardian.com

121 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 7:46:30pm
122 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:47:07pm

re: #120 Gus

This right here —>

theguardian.com

A European commission note seen by the Guardian calls for the swift adoption of the collection of passenger name records, including bank details, mobile numbers and meal preferences, for those flying in and out of the EU and their retention for up to five years for access by the police and security services.

123 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:47:26pm

re: #122 Gus

A European commission note seen by the Guardian calls for the swift adoption of the collection of passenger name records, including bank details, mobile numbers and meal preferences, for those flying in and out of the EU and their retention for up to five years for access by the police and security services.

The Passenger Names Record system, or PNR, collecting and storing scores of pieces of information on air passengers, is controversial and has been blocked by the parliament since 2013.

124 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 7:48:21pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

Jake Cartman?

125 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:50:13pm

re: #123 Gus

Thanks! I see you Google Fu still works.

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 7:50:45pm
127 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:51:09pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

Thanks! I see you Google Fu still works.

Thanks. Was about to make a joke about that.

128 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:51:25pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hopefully no fatalities.

129 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:52:00pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

Thanks! I see you Google Fu still works.

Started here and then found the Guardian article it mentioned.

130 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:53:15pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

What are some of the differences? I’m curious. I mean I know a big difference between Islam and Judaism is the forbidding of alcohol. But I’m curious about the other dietary differences too. I’m actually trying to cut down on my meat intake. Tough as hell in this household. You can take the Central European out of Central Europe but you can’t take the Central European out of their dinner plate. I did manage to go vegetarian for the day though so uh yay me.

There’s a general overview here. As with anything, especially religion related, it can also get really detailed & nit-picky.

131 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 7:53:40pm

How does NASA organize a party?
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They planet.

132 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 7:55:28pm

re: #129 Gus

Started here and then found the Guardian article it mentioned.

I was too brain dead to even try and figured someone here would know. That story with Daesh burning that Jordanian soldier to death really messed with my head today.

133 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 7:55:30pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

How does NASA organize a party?
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They planet.

Booooo. Get off the stage.

134 PhillyPretzel  Feb 3, 2015 7:56:35pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

::: getting out the old hook ::::

135 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:56:59pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

I was too brain dead to even try and figured someone here would know. That story with Daesh burning that Jordanian soldier to death really messed with my head today.

136 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 7:57:28pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

I was too brain dead to even try and figured someone here would know. That story with Daesh burning that Jordanian soldier to death really messed with my head today.

The Jordanian pilot was a Sunni Muslim.

137 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:00:50pm

Doctor, I can’t feel my legs!

Of course you can’t, I had to cut off your arms.

138 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 8:01:06pm

I agree that Senator Cruz has a face asking to be punched. His pandering bullshit with the fake concern that always breaks into a smug little smile as he finishes a dig on Obama or progressives just drives me crazy. But I am non-violent. Never have been in a fight.

But as an artist and a lover of photoshopping fun, I can punch in a different way. Just like this…

Senator Cruz…you have been punched.
139 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:01:30pm

Can’t say I agree with Jordan turning around and going on an execution spree. I would have much preferred to see them take military action.

140 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:02:10pm

re: #139 Gus

Can’t say I agree with Jordan turning around and going on an execution spree. I would have much preferred to see them take military action.

Daesh won’t care.

141 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 8:05:06pm

re: #136 Gus

The Jordanian pilot was a Sunni Muslim.

Yep. As I and many other people have been pointing out, it’s mostly Muslims who are the victims of these assholes. littlegreenfootballs.com

142 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 8:06:01pm

re: #140 Gus

Daesh won’t care.

They’ll be happy. It gives them a whole new batch of martyrs.

143 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:07:03pm

re: #142 CuriousLurker

They’ll be happy. It gives them a whole new batch of martyrs.

Yep. They’ll die as heroes and go to the happy place.

144 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 8:08:07pm

re: #143 Gus

Yep. They’ll die as heroes and go to the happy place.

Seems there’s a win-win in there someplace.

145 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:08:56pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Seems there’s a win-win in there someplace.

Absolute nothingness is a scary concept.

146 CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2015 8:10:00pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

All passengers will be asked if they have a lamp.

It’s totally mot gonna work ‘cause now they’re all just gonna hop on their magic carpets. Speaking of, I’m gonna hop on mine because it’s getting late and…

I like to dream yes, yes, right between my sound machine
On a cloud of sound I drift in the night
Any place it goes is right
Goes far, flies near, to the stars away from here […]

G’nite, lizards—gonna go try to dream of a world without Daesh.

147 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 8:10:15pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Absolute nothingness is a scary concept.

Well, we need to learn to manage it.

148 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:10:18pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Absolute nothingness is a scary concept.

You won’t have to worry about it.

149 Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2015 8:11:35pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

How does NASA organize a party?
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They planet.

You just got mooned by D_L for that one ” ()()”

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 8:11:52pm

I think this qualifies as an “oh shit” moment:

151 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:12:26pm

re: #148 Gus

You won’t have to worry about it.

Exactly!
Once you accept that, death is rather meaningless.
/philosophical nonsense.

152 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:13:07pm

re: #151 Varek Raith

Exactly!
Once you accept that, death is rather meaningless.
/philosophical nonsense.

Well, there’s still the getting there part that’ll be horrible.

153 VegasGolfer  Feb 3, 2015 8:15:33pm

Link

Reply to Charles above re. Chuckles.
Still new here. Sorry.

154 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 8:17:02pm

re: #65 lawhawk

More current reports:

When the drive went forward, they moved directly into the path of the oncoming train.

horror

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 8:18:39pm
156 Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2015 8:19:14pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

I may have a translation problem…

<News> civil aircraft crashed! 10 people to be rescued fall Keelung
HTTP: // news.tvbs.com.tw
Is this plane! ! ! ! ! ! Hey really terrible! Now fall in Hsichih where Keelung!

Um…

I met my colleagues that sets falling aircraft, civil aircraft that sets her eyes on the viaduct and then hit the wing fracture, she quickly scared to death! ! ! !

Okay so Google translate is where Bad Lip Reading comes from?

157 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 8:19:55pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

I like how Rand’s not pure enough for some of Daddy’s legions. Both Rand and Ron Paul frankly are two of the biggest frauds ever to step foot in Congress.

dog forbid Rand makes it past the primary. Seriously, along with Cruz, scary scary shit.

158 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2015 8:21:43pm

re: #85 jaunte

No way. Lawnmower Man!

159 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 8:22:37pm

re: #157 #FergusonFireside

dog forbid Rand makes it past the primary. Seriously, along with Cruz, scary scary shit.

It’s scary to think there are candidates out there like Cruz who are actually to Rand’s right. Then again I find it pretty damn scary some 50 years or so after the signing of the CRA that there’s a major party candidate that is on record of saying he would have voted against the CRA of ‘64.

160 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 8:23:05pm

re: #157 #FergusonFireside

dog forbid Rand makes it past the primary. Seriously, along with Cruz, scary scary shit.

Rather HRC face him than one of the semi-sane ones.

161 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 8:23:48pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

/thanks statistics they waited until after mr. klys was home

162 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 8:24:58pm

re: #161 klystron

/thanks statistics they waited until after mr. klys was home

You don’t get sinus pressure problems at that altitude.

163 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 8:25:05pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Rather HRC face him than one of the semi-sane ones.

Ah Sage. TY

164 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:25:21pm

re: #161 klystron

/thanks statistics they waited until after mr. klys was home

That yellow car.
Yeesh.

165 Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2015 8:26:34pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

That yellow car.
Yeesh.

Yeah. There’s a new set of tires and discs.

166 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 8:27:24pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Yeah. There’s a new set of tires and discs.

Among other things…

167 ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2015 8:29:40pm

Good evening folks. I hope the Middle East doesn’t get amped up and more crazy than it already is, but the happenings today make me think it will.

168 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:30:23pm

Hearing only injuries so far in the plane crash.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 8:31:38pm
170 HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2015 8:33:18pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am not a Schumer fan but that gave me a good laugh.

171 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 8:34:19pm
172 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 8:34:44pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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1960? Try 1860. 1960—if Nixon were still alive he’d put a bug in their ears! That’s what things have come to…unbelievable.

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 8:38:02pm

wow, the plane clipped the taxi:

174 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:39:47pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow, the plane clipped the taxi:

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Nope.
Just.
Nope.

175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 8:41:49pm

Damn! That looks like that Mythbusters episode with the plane trying to flip the cab with its exhaust.

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 8:42:10pm

gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh:

177 #FergusonFireside  Feb 3, 2015 8:42:44pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh me. And with this epic tweet, I’m out. xxoo

178 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:43:00pm
179 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:44:27pm

Damn.

180 Jenner7  Feb 3, 2015 8:44:34pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sweet Jeebus, Utah. Sometimes, I hate you.

181 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 8:44:44pm

re: #178 Gus

For sure, thoughts with all those on board the flight and the families who are now awaiting word very anxiously. Peace to them soon, I hope, and comfort in grief.

182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2015 8:45:54pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh:

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Stupefying.

183 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:46:02pm
184 Varek Raith  Feb 3, 2015 8:46:36pm

Good night.

185 goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2015 8:46:56pm

Keeleigh is hilarious. Not intentionally, but you take what you can get.

186 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 8:48:55pm

re: #184 Varek Raith

Good night.

Sweet dreams! As we ended on such a lovely note here…

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 8:49:56pm
188 Single-handed sailor  Feb 3, 2015 8:54:37pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Yeah. There’s a new set of tires and discs.

… and that stain will never come out of the upholstery.

189 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 8:55:35pm
190 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 8:55:39pm
191 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 9:01:55pm

A note of advice for when attempting to balance a razor saw on your leg.

Do not attempt to balance a razor saw on your leg.

192 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 9:03:02pm

8 dead reported so far.

193 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 9:03:57pm

Still images came from this video, it appears.

194 Jenner7  Feb 3, 2015 9:05:14pm

facebook.com

better video of crash

195 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2015 9:06:43pm

re: #191 Kragar

A note of advice for when attempting to balance a razor saw on your leg.

Do not attempt to balance a razor saw on your leg.

Any notes of advice on the ER? Or did you get to skip that part of the evening?

196 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 9:08:43pm
197 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 9:09:41pm

We’re some searchin’ fools around these parts, ain’t we?

198 Jenner7  Feb 3, 2015 9:11:17pm

Whoopsy

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2015 9:13:38pm

a moment of squee:

200 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 9:14:37pm

This was a very unique crash.

201 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 9:17:04pm

re: #200 Gus

This was a very unique crash.

Landing in a river probably prevented the fire that would normally do much more damage.

202 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 9:18:08pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Landing in a river probably prevented the fire that would normally do much more damage.

Rule is to hit the river! :D

203 Gus  Feb 3, 2015 9:20:26pm
204 Tigger2  Feb 3, 2015 9:24:31pm

With Carson and other Republicans taking the anti science stand on Vaccinations, Climate Change and Evolution that they are I think it’s funny that a Teabagger on my FB page got mad at me when I told him I thought the Republican Party was morphing into the Know Nothing Party.

205 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 9:37:38pm

re: #195 klystron

Any notes of advice on the ER? Or did you get to skip that part of the evening?

A gash on the foot. Nothing crazy glue couldn’t deal with.

206 darthstar  Feb 4, 2015 5:37:08am

re: #153 VegasGolfer

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Reply to Charles above re. Chuckles.
Still new here. Sorry.

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