New Video of Obama’s 2008 Autism Statement Destroys the Claim He Was “Pandering to Anti-Vaxxers”

This settles the debate over what Obama meant
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Brandon Wall of the Chicago Sun-Times dug up the full video of that Barack Obama campaign appearance in Pennsylvania in 2008, and it’s fascinating to see the complete context of his remarks about autism and vaccines — because it makes it extremely clear that he was not saying the “science was inconclusive” about a link between autism and vaccines, but that the “science was inconclusive” on the causes of autism.

I’ve transcribed the full answer Obama gave to the audience so you can see, in context, that his entire point was about more research being needed into what causes autism, so that special education funding could be increased where it was truly necessary.

This settles the matter, as far as I’m concerned. The media sites that tried to use this as “balance” for the Republicans who’ve been spewing anti-vaccination nonsense were simply wrong.

I’ve cued up the video to start at the section in question.

Obama: Right there.

Questioner: Actually, this is to go along with the education, um, and you being on the Daily Show tonight.

Obama: That’s very important, yes.

Questioner: Well, Jon Stewart hosted a Night of Too Many Comedians and the focus was autism. With an increase in autism, I myself suffer from dyslexia, students with disabilities. When I was in high school my high school didn’t want to send me to an alternative school where I could learn. They told me I was old enough to drop out, because they didn’t want to lose that money from the state. How are you going to fund special needs students?

Obama: Well, my goal is going to be to fully fund special education. We’ve never met that funding goal. The federal government promised, when the IDEA was first passed, special education mandate was first passed, that it would get 40% of, the federal government would fund 40% of total special ed funding. It’s never gone above 18%. So then local school districts end up being severely burdened by the whole thing. And, you know, I think that we’ve gotta give local communities more help, and the federal government’s gotta take a role in providing more help.

We’ve also gotta recognize that if we diagnose, if we do a better job diagnosing kids early, then we can save them a lot of grief, and improve outcomes a lot more quickly. And so, setting up early screening that’s more effective than it is right now, I think is gonna be really important.

The final issue, you mentioned autism, that’s an area, that’s an example where our investment in basic research and basic science has to drastically increase. I was mentioning earlier investments in infrastructure, one of the things I left out was investment in basic science and technology. I mentioned in terms of energy, but the same is true on, you know, the biotech, and the genome sciences… huge opportunities for us to figure out what are the sources of diseases, how can we prevent them, or at least intervene more quickly.

And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. Because if we keep on seeing increases at the rate we’re seeing we’re never going to have enough money to provide all the special needs, special education funding that’s going to be necessary.

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1 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 9:58:37pm

Excuse me while I bask in the knowledge that I was right all along. Not that I’m saying “I told you so” or anything. But I did.

2 jaunte  Feb 3, 2015 10:01:48pm
The media sites that tried to use this as “balance” for the Republicans

This ‘management’ of the news and the presidential race should be more of an issue, but who will report on it? Thanks for keeping our eyes open.

3 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 10:15:45pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Excuse me while I bask in the knowledge that I was right all along. Not that I’m saying “I told you so” or anything. But I did.

Yes, but once you ignore everything else said and eliminate all context, Obama does say “this person included” which is irrefutable proof that he is a rabid anti-vaxxer!
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4 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 11:06:41pm

On dancing: “I strongly recommend that Christian teens stay away from dancing, mainly because some people would just not be able to respect a person who attended dances.”

On soap operas, Huckabee says, “I literally hate them!” He suggests watching soap operas make adultery, lying, divorce, murder, hating, and stealing seem routine and normal to people. He writes that “studies” link soap operas to liberal views.

In a dating column, Huckabee advises his readers to date other Christians and not “lost people,” although he says his readers should still associate with them.

5 Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2015 11:23:26pm
6 piratedan  Feb 3, 2015 11:36:22pm

I guess we should all know better by now, every time the media attempts to present a “gotcha moment” on this administration or on this President and even the man before he was President, the media has been found to be either disingenuous spinning of or a parsing of statements into sound bites taken solely without context and spun for digestion to the gullible and biased. It must really suck for our media betters to be so fucking petty and provincial about every damn thing going on with this administration, but hey, what else you gonna do when the vast majority of them are nothing more than well paid stenographers with an agenda and a narrative to sell.

7 Kragar  Feb 3, 2015 11:37:09pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

8 Kragar  Feb 4, 2015 12:15:04am

To better explain the situation, Stewart compared the threat of a measles outbreak to a zombie apocalypse, using footage from George Romero’s Night Of The Living Dead as a backdrop. He argued that, in that scenario, vaccines serve as the metaphorical wooden barrier keeping the disease out of the house, with everyone tasked to do their part in keeping the barricade up.

“You trust everybody’s gonna do their job. And then you wake up, and it’s two in the morning, and there’s a f*cking zombie gnawing on your brain, and you’re like, ‘What the f*ck? Who didn’t board up their window?’ And that’s when some lady from Marin County who you let into your farmhouse goes, ‘Oh, I read an article on a wellness forum that says we shouldn’t sleep in boarded up rooms ‘cause it f*cks you all up.’”

9 freetoken  Feb 4, 2015 1:09:30am
10 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 2:02:36am

I’ve seen the full quote before I made my previous conclusion, so I don’t see a reason to change it.

It is of course all too clear that Obama is defending the vaccinations, not criticizing them (and of course he’s not pandering to anti-vaxxers, as I immediately pointed out). All of this was clear from the start. That’s not the point.

He still very clearly links further research on the causes of autism with the importance of vaccines (and the importance of not junking the system), obviously hoping that it would show no link, whereas it was already known that there is simply no link between the two. One wouldn’t have to perform further research on the causes of autism to defend the vaccines. Such research is important, but all the reasons for its importance have nothing to do with vaccines. It was already known that vaccines don’t have any relation to autism, period. That’s the (minor) goof that I pointed out. Obama indicated uncertainty where there was none (in practical terms, not philosophically).

Yes, it’s not significant, and yes, it was an unprepared offhand remark. And yes, it’s dishonest of the media to run with it in their usual MBF style. And of course, Obama’s actions speak louder than words. All of this doesn’t change the fact that Obama made a (small) mistake in this instance, for whatever reason. And it’s fair to point out that yes, it was a mistake.

11 freetoken  Feb 4, 2015 2:06:57am

The original pop music megastar, from I think 1931:

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12 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 2:34:29am

You didn’t vaccinate that!

13 Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2015 3:03:59am

So…what’s the distinction between Vox and Breitbart at this point?

14 Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2015 3:06:13am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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$0. There was some nutjob several years ago that was claiming to have done so already.

If you’re going to be a conspiracy nutjob at least keep up with developments in that particular conspiracy theory.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 3:15:41am

Nice to have a clear sky right now to see the spectacular juxtaposition of Jupiter and the full moon.

16 BillinGlendaleCA  Feb 4, 2015 3:42:25am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw something really bright by the moon tonight, ah Jupiter. I guess I could have gotten out my phone and looked at Google Sky Map.

17 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 3:45:37am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Excuse me while I bask in the knowledge that I was right all along. Not that I’m saying “I told you so” or anything. But I did.

If you won’t say “I told you so”, then I will! :)

The science was settled in 2008, even though The Lancet paper was not retracted until 2010. Retractions are rarely instantaneous unless the author(s) recommend it. Nonetheless, it was already well-established In the published literature that the findings were never once replicated and there was a consensus in the scientific community. Moreover, the Obama campaign back in 2008 put out a position paper on autism and never once mentioned vaccinations in that piece.

18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 3:50:14am

The second Obama opens his mouth, there are people who look for ways to twist his words to fit their preconceived image of what they think he means to say.

19 A Mom Anon  Feb 4, 2015 3:54:33am

Why the hell would be have to pander to anti vaxxers anyway? They aren’t a majority, they have no real political clout (until the recent idiocy at least), they don’t have lobbyists on The Hill, so why bother pandering?

As usual, Our Stupid Media isn’t doing shit to inform, instead they’re all trying to out TMZ each other.

(and with that, I’m off to take The Kid to his new job and then wrestle the dog into the car for Vet day, whee. BBL)

20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 4:04:56am
In yet another entry in the back-and-forth legal saga surrounding allegations of sexual misconduct against Alan M. Dershowitz, the Harvard Law School professor emeritus has filed a new response in court, repeating his denial of the accusations against him.
[…]
The filing raises doubts about the validity of the testimony of “Jane Doe No. 3,” claiming that there exist inconsistencies between her different accounts of her contact with former President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore. Stating that future “evidence will show” her allegations to be false, the filing calls “Jane Doe No. 3’s” sworn affidavit “perjurious.”

thecrimson.com

Meanwhile Dersh appears on Newsmax TV again:

Dershowitz: On Iran, Obama Is Another Neville Chamberlain

21 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 4, 2015 4:08:04am

using the term “Freedom” to excuse all sorts of vile behavior, anti-Science, and xenophobic beliefs, the modern Republican and Tea Party should just merely be honest and rename themselves what they really are.

The Confederate Party.

22 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 4, 2015 4:08:06am

re: #20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

His near constant attempts to discredit “Jane Doe No. 3” before the case even reaches the courtroom borders on desperation. I predict his fanboi, UpChuck, will find some way to highlight this latest deposition.

23 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 4:10:36am

re: #22 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

If one assumes that he is innocent, one can certainly understand him. Of course, as outside observers all we can do is wait.

25 nkdee  Feb 4, 2015 4:18:42am

I always find it fascinating that those who want this to be a “christian” nation have no problem deceiving (i.e. lying) in order to promote their political agenda. I remember the “You didn’t build that” editing that fell apart as quickly as it started. Very unChristian of them. But as we look at Dominionists, all’s fair when it comes to control/power and forcing their religion (and ONLY their religion) on the US. Sadly, it seems to be happening.

26 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 4:34:51am

Holy fuck. How’d you like to be driving along and see this:

27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 5:00:45am

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Holy fuck. How’d you like to be driving along and see this:

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At least they did not see it up too close…

28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:01:09am
29 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 5:04:17am

re: #28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Did you know that “Anti-vaxxing is mostly a left wing phenomenon”?

You don’t hear “left-wing” politicians defending the “right” to not vaccinate.

30 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:05:55am

re: #29 The Vicious Babushka

Steve is full of shit on this one.

31 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:06:53am

re: #28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Did you know that “Anti-vaxxing is mostly a left wing phenomenon”?

He apologized for that.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate
OK, I’m an idio
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32 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:08:44am

re: #31 wrenchwench

Oh. Why can’t I see it in “Recent Pages”?

33 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 5:09:14am
34 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:10:47am

re: #32 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Oh. Why can’t I see it in “Recent Pages”?

Click the “more” button.

35 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:18:12am

re: #34 wrenchwench

Oh. Apparently it’s been “featured” and thus is not in the “Recent pages”. (And I missed it while it was featured). OK, clear.

36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 5:18:23am

re: #28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Did you know that “Anti-vaxxing is mostly a left wing phenomenon”?

Granted, there are enough moonbats who are mistrustful of Big Pharma and Western Medicine out there; add them to the wingnuts who mistrust Big Government and Modern Science and we have reached a critical mass of toxic stupidity.

37 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 5:25:11am

Here is the First Stupid Meme Of The Day (it’s early, there will be MOAR STUPIDS)
“Don’t Nee Feminism” because she already enjoys all the rights that feminists achieved for her.
She could decide not to store her paper in a damp place.

38 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:26:04am
39 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:26:50am

re: #20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

A footnote:

In fact, the only massage Prof. Dershowitz ever received at any of Epstein’s homes was from a professional massage therapist who was in her 30’s or 40s.

Heh.

40 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:27:23am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Granted, there are enough moonbats who are mistrustful of Big Pharma and Western Medicine out there; add them to the wingnuts who mistrust Big Government and Modern Science and we have reached a critical mass of toxic stupidity.

41 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:37:24am
42 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 4, 2015 5:37:35am

Here’s some photos for those of you interested in naval and military stuff. A couple of days ago, I visited “Minsk World” in Shenzhen, China, where the Soviet aircraft carrier Minsk is moored as a kind of museum cum derelict. It’s both interesting and sad, because the operators are doing nothing to maintain the ship and the few aircraft on display. That means, over the years, it will slowly rust away.

For about $20, you walk around on the flight deck, and prowl some parts below decks, including what I assume is the hangar. The bridge and other parts of the superstructure appeared closed off.

According to wikipedia, the Minsk was laid down in 1972 and commissioned in 1978, decommissioned in 1993.

Minsk flight deck, looking forward
Starboard side depth charges
rusting helicopter
No comment needed
From a distance, she doesn’t look half bad
Is this the hangar? Now it’s a place for shops and arcades
43 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:39:58am

re: #41 wrenchwench

“I’m watching a movie about what Caesar did 2000 years ago - and still our elites refuse to face reality”.

44 KerFuFFler  Feb 4, 2015 5:42:48am

re: #10 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“I’ve seen the full quote before I made my previous conclusion, so I don’t see a reason to change it.







Yes, it’s not significant, and ……. And it’s fair to point out that yes, it was a mistake.”

Seeing you belabor points over things that you admit are not significant makes me glad I stopped arguing with you in a thread a while back.

45 darthstar  Feb 4, 2015 5:43:07am

re: #43 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“I’m watching a movie about what Caesar did 2000 years ago - and still our elites refuse to face reality”.

I watched part of Pacific Rim last night and I want to know what our political elites plan to do about the Kaiju.

46 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:43:57am

re: #43 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“I’m watching a movie about what Caesar did 2000 years ago - and still our elites refuse to face reality”.

Let’s all watch movies about reality!

47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 5:44:44am

I’m watching a movie about a nanny with an umbrella who can fly and I want to know what our elites are going to do about making the medicine go down.

48 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:44:45am
49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 5:45:56am

re: #48 wrenchwench

Red Dawn was 30yrs ago, yet Obama still refuses to train teenagers as guerrillas to resist the Soviet occupation.

What an idiot: it was North Koreans in the most recent remake…

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 5:45:58am
51 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:47:11am

re: #39 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“In fact, Prof. Dershowitz’s friendship with Epstein consisted of the exchange of academic and intellectual ideas.”

To that I suggest reading this piece by a female journalist who wrote an expose of Epstein and had a chance to, hmm, “exchange ideas” with him.

52 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 5:47:47am
53 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:51:03am

re: #44 KerFuFFler

Seeing you belabor points over things that you admit are not significant makes me glad I stopped arguing with you in a thread a while back.

Mmm. First of all, I have already dropped the issue, but since Charles made a page about it, it was natural to react, even though the subject bores me.

I don’t remember you or what we were talking about, but having looked it up, it was probably the topic of CH. Well, you were wrong.

54 Belafon  Feb 4, 2015 5:51:16am

re: #10Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Did you watch the video, or did you just look at the transcript. When I see the video, it’s obvious to me that in the middle of his thoughts about the causes of autism, he’s dealing with being asked about vaccines. And he’s trying to answer that question and steer the topic back to his real concern over the increase in autism.

55 Dave In Austin  Feb 4, 2015 5:53:00am

MMmmmm. Crumb Cake Donut.

Now get to work!

56 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:53:54am

re: #54 Belafon

It could be a cause of the goof, for all I know, but it was still a goof, OK?

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 5:54:34am
58 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 5:55:38am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

It would be a right decision. But I doubt they have the guts.

59 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:00:16am

re: #25 nkdee

I always find it fascinating that those who want this to be a “christian” nation have no problem deceiving (i.e. lying) in order to promote their political agenda. I remember the “You didn’t build that” editing that fell apart as quickly as it started. Very unChristian of them. But as we look at Dominionists, all’s fair when it comes to control/power and forcing their religion (and ONLY their religion) on the US. Sadly, it seems to be happening.

There’s an Arabic word for “lying for Jesus”. Has something to do with tacos.

60 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:01:04am

re: #59 Decatur Deb

There’s an Arabic word for “lying for Jesus”. Has something to do with tacos.

takimag? /

61 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:02:00am

re: #60 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

takimag? /

Yeah—that’s it.

62 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 6:03:58am

re: #46 wrenchwench

Let’s all watch movies about reality!

“Presenting honest stories of working people as told by rich Hollywood stars”
- Firesign Theater Don’t Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers

63 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 4, 2015 6:04:03am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

These photos are not mine, but from maritimequest.com, for comparison. They’re from the days of the Minsk on active duty.

1983
No one has bothered to paint the ship since 1993, I bet.
64 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:05:48am

I’m watching Elmer Gantry, made 53 years ago, and I want to know what our religious elites have done to keep charismatic hypocrites from committing serial adultery.

65 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 4, 2015 6:08:29am

I just watched the Terminator, and I want to know what our technological elites have done to prevent humanoid robots coming from the future to kill women named Sarah Connor.

66 KerFuFFler  Feb 4, 2015 6:09:35am

re: #56 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“It could be a cause of the goof, for all I know, but it was still a goof, OK?”

I see you have still dropped this issue since it clearly bores you…

67 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:10:43am

re: #66 KerFuFFler

I see you have still dropped this issue since it clearly bores you…

I’m responding to questions directed towards me. You, on the other hand, are being an ass.

68 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:11:45am

re: #65 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I just watched the Terminator, and I want to know what our technological elites have done to prevent humanoid robots coming from the future to kill women named Sarah Connor.

Windows Vista—>Windows 8

69 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 4, 2015 6:12:53am

re: #65 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I just watched the Terminator, and I want to know what our technological elites have done to prevent humanoid robots coming from the future to kill women named Sarah Connor.

They sent Ahh-nold back in time and found that the first Sarah Connor in the phone book was an antivaxxer. (In Ahh-nold voice) “Oh, you’ll do my job for me. I won’t be back”

70 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 6:13:13am

re: #19 A Mom Anon

That’s a slight for TMZ, which does better research than many in the regular media, let alone people like Chuckles. They have a team of lawyers and fact checkers, so that when they run the stories, they do their best to get them right. Yeah, it’s a gossip site, and it’s fluff, but they’re doing more right than a lot of the traditional media outlets when it comes to reporting.

71 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 4, 2015 6:16:16am

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Windows Vista—>Windows 8

I noticed that none of the Terminator series ever needed to be rebooted to correct OS faults, suggesting a UNIX heritage rather than a Microsoft heritage.

72 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:21:32am

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I noticed that none of the Terminator series ever needed to be rebooted to correct OS faults, suggesting a UNIX heritage rather than a Microsoft heritage.

We had safed the developmental stream, but the damn Penguinistas sold us out.

73 darthstar  Feb 4, 2015 6:22:12am
74 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 6:23:36am

Why was this guy arrested? Was it because of the weapon used? Self defense incidents have an eccentric arrest correlation.

The incident began when Medina went to his bedroom with his girlfriend after getting into an argument with his roommate, Joshua Sutter, according to the Sheriff’s Department.

Sutter, 36, followed and forced open the door to the bedroom; Medina took up a sword that he kept next to the door and fatally stabbed Sutter once in the abdomen, authorities said.

Medina called 911 and stayed at the home. He was later interviewed by detectives and booked Sunday at the sheriff’s station in Palmdale. His bail was set at $1 million.

Pretty clearly self defense. What was unclear when he was arrested?

75 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:24:03am

re: #73 darthstar

Television news programs have mostly completely ignored a proposed new trade agreement:

Yeah, yeah. How many views of Left-hand Shark? Huh? Huh? Checkmate !!

76 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:25:44am

re: #74 Great White Snark

Was Pink Ranger hurt?

77 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 6:26:36am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Apparently not. No visible injuries at his presser on release. Silly me I forgot to include that fact-He’s out investigation continues.

78 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:26:51am

re: #74 Great White Snark

Why was this guy arrested? Was it because of the weapon used? Self defense incidents have an eccentric arrest correlation.

Pretty clearly self defense. What was unclear when he was arrested?

It may be self defense, but why clearly? For now there’s only his and his gf’s testimony, right?

79 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:27:46am

re: #77 Great White Snark

Apparently not. No visible injuries at his presser on release.

Thought PR was female. At any rate, Google News hit says no charges.

80 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 6:29:07am

re: #78 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Usually it’s pretty clear if one retreats from a fight and someone crashes in to continue. Straight physical evidence. Broken door, locations etc. Really too bad the guy died, oddly enough he probably had a better survival chance if shot once.or so a trained up medic tells me.

**pending more info of course**

81 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:32:04am

re: #80 Great White Snark

Well, there is a dead body with only “interested” witnesses, so an arrest doesn’t seem like something monstrous. Plus maybe there are factors we don’t know about.

82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 6:34:03am

re: #81 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Well, there is a dead body with only “interested” witnesses, so an arrest doesn’t seem like something monstrous. Plus maybe there are factors we don’t know about.

like morphin addiction?

83 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 6:35:09am
84 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 6:35:15am

re:
#5

How much money do you think we’d have to raise to find a man who will admit to having had sex with Barack Obama?

So CCJ works for the National Inquirer?

85 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:35:47am

re: #84 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#5

So CCJ works for the National Inquirer?

Not on his best day.

86 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:36:18am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Thought PR was female. At any rate, Google News hit says no charges.

See, that was quick. An arrest as a precaution in such cases is not out of bounds.

87 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 6:36:34am

re: #81 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Oh right not outraged more puzzled. Quite often defenders are not arrested on scene, detectives work it out a bit later. It’s one of those things that have a racial disparity, and vary by county. Like I said eccentric. I’m a little suspicious that the weapon triggered the arrest. Policy and law tends to look at edged weapons more severely than guns. Which is noteworthy by way of just strange and illogical.

If you are defending yourself, what you use should not really matter. Assuming it’s not something wildly illegal.

88 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:37:41am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

like morphin addiction?

Thud.

89 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:40:15am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

like morphin addiction?

[10 minutes later:] Oh.

90 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 6:41:04am

Rain is coming earlier than expected. Have to go prep the garden site. BBL

91 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:44:12am
On Tuesday, Greece’s defense minister and outspoken “Eurosceptic” Panos Kammenos announced that he was invited to Moscow to meet his Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoygu in the near future.
[…]
Kammenos, (a noted devout Orthodox Christian, who is anti-immigration, and has expressed anti-Semitic and homophobic remarks), is the leader of the right-wing junior coalition partner in the radical-leftist Alexis Tsipras’ Greek government. He has also garnered some attention because of his anti-EU rhetoric.

finance.yahoo.com

92 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:45:34am

re: #91 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Where radical left and radical right are Happy Together.

93 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 6:48:04am

No bad deed goes unrewarded.

Benji Johnson, who was fired from Buzzfeed over plagiarism is hired by the group that exposed his plagiarism as a creative content director (aka bullshit artist).

Independent Journal Review is a conservative-leaning aggregator that exists solely because of Facebook’s bottomless appetite for jaundiced conservative headlines like “Obama Refuses to Buy His Favorite Vowel to Solve the Most Obvious Puzzle Ever About Terrorism.” Do not click that link.

I.J. Review also played a notable role in Benny Johnson’s firing from BuzzFeed. The pair of Twitter users who exposed his plagiarism, @blippoblappo and @crushingbort, did so only after Johnson pointed out that I.J. Review had plagiarized a BuzzFeed post of his about George H.W. Bush’s colorful socks:

94 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 6:48:22am

re: #73 darthstar

The Trans Pacific Partnership is an abomination. Besides being a secretly negotiated fulfillment of almost everything on corporate America’s wish list it’s also a backdoor implementation of SOPA. It’s the most shameful thing to come out of the Obama administration since the firing of Shirley Sherrod. The White House is likely relieved that there’s so little attention being focused on this turd.

95 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 6:52:43am

re: #93 lawhawk

No bad deed goes unrewarded.

Benji Johnson, who was fired from Buzzfeed over plagiarism is hired by the group that exposed his plagiarism as a creative content director (aka bullshit artist).

He is hired by the group that plagiarized the plagiarizer (i.e. him).

96 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 6:52:53am
97 BeenHereAwhile  Feb 4, 2015 6:54:49am

re: #39 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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A footnote:

Heh.

Here’s more heh:

Kendall Coffey, the lead attorney signing this filing, was the US Attorney for the Southern District Of Florida from 1993 - 1996.

He resigned from office in 1996 due to his involvement with a stripper at a strip club.

[…] U.S. Attorney Kendall Coffey announced on Friday that he would resign his job as the top federal prosecutor in South Florida effective May 31[1996].

The surprise announcement came as Coffey was embroiled in a controversy over reports that he bit a stripper at a nightclub in south Dade County in February.[…]

articles.sun-sentinel.com

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 6:58:07am
99 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:00:48am

re: #97 BeenHereAwhile

That’s a fine heh.

100 BeenHereAwhile  Feb 4, 2015 7:02:00am

re: #62 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Presenting honest stories of working people as told by rich Hollywood stars”
- Firesign Theater Don’t Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers

“Gee, Mudhead, everyone at Morse Science High has an extracurricular activity except you.”

“Well, gee, doesn’t Louise count?”

“Only to ten, Mudhead.”

101 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 7:03:55am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

102 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:05:51am

re: #101 lawhawk

Seems like Rand can’t stop attracting the crazy.

103 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:06:06am

re: #102 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Seems like Rand can’t stop attracting the crazy.

And being attracted to it.

104 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 7:11:01am

re: #102 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

He’s a member of the AAPS. Ron Paul’s a member of AAPS. So too is Paul Braun.

And that quack group also gives talking points to the xenophobes by claiming that illegal aliens are bringing all manner of disease into the US - whether it’s Ebola (bzzz wrong), Enterovirus (bzzzz, wrong, the disease was first identified in the US in 1962), and their right wing spambots spew this nonsense without caring that the current outbreak was due to the failure of American citizens being sufficiently vaccinated. The outbreak affected those who had not gotten vaccinated, and they spread the disease to others who weren’t vaccinated.

The kicker is that Guatemala, Mexico and other Latin American countries are doing a better job with vaccinations than the US. Higher vaccination rates.

So they actually have fewer cases of these entirely preventable diseases.

105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 7:12:00am
Obama: Well, my goal is going to be to fully fund special education. We’ve never met that funding goal. The federal government promised, when the IDEA was first passed, special education mandate was first passed, that it would get 40% of, the federal government would fund 40% of total special ed funding. It’s never gone above 18%. So then local school districts end up being severely burdened by the whole thing. And, you know, I think that we’ve gotta give local communities more help, and the federal government’s gotta take a role in providing more help.

I’m trying to imagine half governor Palin, or some other member of the clown car parade, talking about special education with this level of specificity. Just off the cuff pretty much. Not reading from a teleprompter. Jeb Bush could probably pull it off. The rest seem to be auditioning for the role of snake-handling evangelist.

Speaking of Florida, I haven’t heard Rick Scott’s name mentioned lately. Is he still derping down in the Sunshine State?

106 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:14:37am

re: #104 lawhawk

But but but Chuck implied that those not of the Master Race lack the Ordnung necessary for mass vaccinations!!11

107 EmmaAnne  Feb 4, 2015 7:15:16am

re: #43 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“I’m watching a movie about what Caesar did 2000 years ago - and still our elites refuse to face reality”.

He broke Xena’s legs; that bastard!

108 ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2015 7:15:20am

Morning all.

This whole dance over what Obama said is just stupid. The man was running for office so he needed to cover all bases in the discussion.

Even if the link between autism and vaccines was shot down by that time, there were obviously people in the audience who still believed it. Hell, people still believe it today. So, he addressed it.

He said more research needed to be done on what causes autism and linked it to people freaking out over vaccines. Is that really a mistake, or addressing all concerns?

It is just to easy to question it all now in hindsight.

You know, the run-ups to the 2012 elections were bad enough. This 2016 election is looking downright insufferable. We need some kind of adult pacifiers to shut some of these people up and keep them content. If not, it’s just cry, cry, whine and cry.

109 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 7:16:18am

CCJ’s Target Du Jour: Pauly Perette

110 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 7:17:26am

Meme Of The Day

111 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:17:45am

re: #108 ObserverArt

I agree that it was probably sort of addressing concerns in a “non-offensive way”, like politicians are wont to. Though sometimes one needs to be blunt. Like: “No, folks, vaccines are definitely not linked to autism. Cut the crap.”

112 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 7:18:00am

Did Allen West actually say that? He’s crazy enough.

113 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:19:43am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

Jaw drop. He really said it?

114 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:20:23am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

Did Allen West actually say that? He’s crazy enough.

Yes, he is crazy enough, and yes this needs checking. Still looks like a parody.

115 makeitstop  Feb 4, 2015 7:22:27am

An interesting read about the coming, inevitable demise of a big-box retailer: The end of Guitar Center

Guitar Center made some mistakes early on, but their greatest mistake was bringing on blood-sucking Bain Capitol to help them out.

The Death Spiral is not yet complete, but it will eventually happen. And if it opens the door for mom & pop stores to get back in the game, that would make me very happy.

116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 7:22:39am

re:
#109

CCJ’s Target Du Jour: Pauly Perette

Stay classy, CCJ.

117 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 7:25:20am

re: #113 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Jaw drop. He really said it?

I don’t know. I have seen a lot of memes with batshit quotes by Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, etc. but when I actually Google these quotes, can’t find anything.

Allen West has said that Obama should be impeached for Being A Muslim.

118 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 7:25:38am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t think that’d be something he’d say. He frequently compares Obama’s actions to the Holocaust, and other inappropriate comparisons to the Holocaust, so I doubt that he’d say “so-called” Holocaust.

The rest? I’d believe he’d pull some kind of Godwin. He can’t help himself otherwise.

And we need a new rule for when GOPers talk - that when the GOP talk, all conservation will eventually become talk of Benghazi.

I dub it: Lawhawk’s Lament.

119 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 7:25:50am

re:
#41

This is just delightful

Our major sporting events almost double as military glory fests now, with flyovers and all the rest. I wonder what else Newt thinks should be done.

120 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 7:26:39am

re: #118 lawhawk

A noun, a verb, and Benghazi.

121 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 7:27:11am

re: #115 makeitstop

Meanwhile, Office Depot and Staples will be merging (Staples is buying out Office Depot). Walmart, Target, and Amazon have brought those outfits to the brink (and have likewise forced Radio Shack into bankruptcy).

For Radio Shack, Sprint and Amazon are looking to raid their store locations to set up shop there.

122 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:27:51am

re: #118 lawhawk

Yeah, I glossed over “so-called”. Def a fake.

123 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 7:28:26am
124 ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2015 7:29:09am

re: #64 Decatur Deb

I’m watching Elmer Gantry, made 53 years ago, and I want to know what our religious elites have done to keep charismatic hypocrites from committing serial adultery.

Great movie. I try to catch it whenever it is on. Reminds me of Jim Bakker, the PTL club and Swinging Jimmy Swaggart. Good times!

/

125 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:31:52am

re: #123 wrenchwench

Males to Mars, females to Venus. /

126 ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2015 7:34:16am

re: #102 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Seems like Rand can’t stop attracting the crazy.

How could he? He is not acting.

127 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 7:38:02am

re: #126 ObserverArt

How could he? He is not acting.

A magnet attracts screws and nuts. It’s what magnets do. You can’t explain that.

128 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 7:39:48am

re: #121 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Office Depot and Staples will be merging (Staples is buying out Office Depot). Walmart, Target, and Amazon have brought those outfits to the brink (and have likewise forced Radio Shack into bankruptcy).

For Radio Shack, Sprint and Amazon are looking to raid their store locations to set up shop there.

Aw hell. I guess that means that I won’t be able to buy a new cassette drive for my TRS-80.

129 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 7:41:06am

MAYBE YOUR STATE SHOULD EXPAND THE MEDICAID DUMBASS

130 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 7:42:18am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

Sociopath.

131 ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2015 7:42:55am

re: #111 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I agree that it was probably sort of addressing concerns in a “non-offensive way”, like politicians are wont to. Though sometimes one needs to be blunt. Like: “No, folks, vaccines are definitely not linked to autism. Cut the crap.”

I respect you Sergey, but I wonder sometimes if your own intelligence gets in the way of the reality in things. And I say that in good humor and as a compliment.

I know it is hard, but sometimes intelligent people need to get down there in the mud to understand those in the mud.

There are tons of people here at LGF that could hand people like Chucky C. Johnson their heads with facts. But you know what would happen? Chucky would go right out and write the pure bullshit he is known for and a ton of people would believe it.

Sadly…facts no longer fit in the unreal world we seem to be walking around in now.

Yeah, it sucks.

And with that…got work to do. See you all later.

132 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 7:43:56am
133 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 7:46:01am

The rain is imminent. If it were Sacred Rain it would be immanent, and if I were out camping it would be inma’tent. It’s just that kind of day.

134 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 7:46:52am

re: #132 wrenchwench

She was rockin’ Elizabeth Warren glasses before it was cool.

135 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 4, 2015 7:47:02am

re: #132 wrenchwench

Incredible as it might sound to some, she is underrated and under-appreciated in her importance to the Civil Rights Movement in this country.

136 makeitstop  Feb 4, 2015 7:48:09am

re: #128 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Aw hell. I guess that means that I won’t be able to buy a new cassette drive for my TRS-80.

As someone here once pointed out, you should go and cash in that battery card ASAP.

137 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 7:49:44am
138 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 7:49:45am

re:
#129

Obamacare is hurting Georgia families. It’s time to fully repeal it.

And no families in GA are among the millions covered by health insurance for the first time. Amazing.

//

139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 7:50:04am

re: #135 nearly-headless smith25

Incredible as it might sound to some, she is underrated and under-appreciated in her importance to the Civil Rights Movement in this country.

and to many, she was just too lazy to get up and move to the back of the bus…

140 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 7:50:41am

re: #135 nearly-headless smith25

Incredible as it might sound to some, she is underrated and under-appreciated in her importance to the Civil Rights Movement in this country.

Small women will bring the revolution. Because nobody is afraid of them.

141 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 7:51:48am

re: #138 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The truly bizarre thing is that the red states are the ones that would benefit most from Obamacare, since they have lower percentages of insureds, have more people who would qualify for the insurance via Obamacare or Medicaid expansion, and the GOP has actively fought against this for years.

But not only is the GOP fighting to prevent the Medicaid expansion, but they’ve voted to repeal the coverage for millions more who have gotten their insurance via Obamacare. That’s what yesterday’s repealer would do if it managed to survive a Presidential veto (if it were ever to get that far).

142 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 7:52:21am

Might anyone have a good image of Daesh in Arabic? Looking to make a banner for this Page
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

143 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 7:53:29am

re: #138 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hmm that argument against the ACA smells like the one about vaccines and parents rights.

144 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 7:53:37am

Anti-vaxxer Joni Ernst, come on down. You’re the next GOPer who’s pushing this dangerous nonsense:

Then again, freshman Sen. Joni Ernst of Iowa, the GOP’s breadbag-shoes-wearing, up-from-poverty star, dragged the party back into the minefield when she told a conservative radio host that Congress should consider outlawing vaccines, straight-up. Ernst, who has a bachelor’s degree from Iowa State, sounded more like she was educated on a hog farm: She says infectious-disease inoculations “manipulate brains” and do more harm than good - including “[making] people vote a certain way, and that’s voter intimidation.” Senator, your tinfoil hat’s showing.

(emphasis added).As Vicious has pointed out, the link was to National Report, and it’s a satire, which then got picked up by US News. I’ve deleted as a result.

145 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 7:53:56am

re: #141 lawhawk

The truly bizarre thing is that the red states are the ones that would benefit most from Obamacare, since they have lower percentages of insureds, have more people who would qualify for the insurance via Obamacare or Medicaid expansion, and the GOP has actively fought against this for years.

But not only is the GOP fighting to prevent the Medicaid expansion, but they’ve voted to repeal the coverage for millions more who have gotten their insurance via Obamacare. That’s what yesterday’s repealer would do if it managed to survive a Presidential veto (if it were ever to get that far).

In a few decades the last of them will be in the home, punching the nurse call button, expecting it to register a “Repeal” vote.

146 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 7:55:21am

re: #144 lawhawk

Anti-vaxxer Joni Ernst, come on down. You’re the next GOPer who’s pushing this dangerous nonsense:

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(emphasis added).

That alleged Joni Ernst statement about outlawing vaccines is from NationalReport.

147 b.d.  Feb 4, 2015 7:57:10am

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148 b.d.  Feb 4, 2015 7:58:08am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

That alleged Joni Ernst statement about outlawing vaccines is from NationalReport.

I don’t get why those fake news places even exist?

149 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 7:59:10am

re:
#129

Congresscritter: Not a day goes by that I don’t hear from a constituent crying that they can’t see their favorite doctor because of Obamacare.

Someone with a brain: Has the constituent checked the plans available on the exchange?

Congresscritter: Uh. Something something taxes blah.

Someone with a brain: Has the constituent looked into their eligibility for a subsidy?

Congresscritter: Uh, um, whut? No free stuff. Repeal today, repeal tomorrow, repeal yesterday, repeal forever!

150 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 8:01:08am

re: #148 b.d.

I don’t get why those fake news places even exist?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Clickbait.

151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 8:01:44am

re: #148 b.d.

I don’t get why those fake news places even exist?

Because the line between reality and parody is all but indistinguishable…

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2015 8:02:07am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

The rain is imminent. If it were Sacred Rain it would be immanent, and if I were out camping it would be inma’tent. It’s just that kind of day.

And if the rain on the roof sounded like a rap beat would it be eminement?

153 b_sharp  Feb 4, 2015 8:03:01am

re: #144 lawhawk

Anti-vaxxer Joni Ernst, come on down. You’re the next GOPer who’s pushing this dangerous nonsense:

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(emphasis added).

“Shell asked Ernst to clarify her statement, to which the Senator offered a lengthy reply. “When I was a kid, I didn’t have vaccinations. My parents couldn’t afford them. But one of my neighbors, his parents got him vaccinated. Now, we grew up in the same town, went to the same schools, attended the same church, we even served in the military together. We’re practically the same, right? But he’s a liberal democrat. He voted for Obama both times and he has a Hillary Clinton sticker on his pickup truck. He supports welfare and the gays. I’m not saying the vaccinations made him more liberal, but the vaccinations made him more liberal, do you get what I’m saying?”

- See more at: nationalreport.net

154 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 8:04:05am

re:
#135

Incredible as it might sound to some, she is underrated and under-appreciated in her importance to the Civil Rights Movement in this country.

There’s a relatively recent book about Parks that essentially makes this case.

amazon.com

Pretty good. I’d recommend it.

155 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 8:05:02am

re: #152 Feline Fearless Leader

And if the rain on the roof sounded like a rap beat would it be eminement?

Not accordion to The Prodigals:

You dance like you’re drunk but you sing like you’re sober
You pulled the last pint when the party was over
When you’re alone and you lie in your bed.
The rain on the roof is the dance of the dead.

156 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 8:06:45am

…..

157 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 8:07:31am

re:
#141

Yep. And the whole bit about what we need is more Choice, more competition, hurr hurr!. That’s why the Act sets up the exchanges, you dimwit.

The Tea Party pretty much acts like the ACA eradicated private insurance and set up Single Payer.

158 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 8:07:59am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Ernst should be forced to resign. End of story.

NationalReport is a spoof site.

159 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 8:08:06am

re: #157 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#141

Yep. And the whole bit about what we need is more Choice, more competition, hurr hurr!. That’s why the Act sets up the exchanges, you dimwit.

The Tea Party pretty much acts like the ACA eradicated private insurance and set up Single Payer.

Baby steps, Grasshopper.

160 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 8:08:44am

re:
#156

National Report is a fake news site.

161 b.d.  Feb 4, 2015 8:09:09am

re: #150 wrenchwench

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Clickbait.

I could not imagine anyone ever going to that site twice.

I’d be pretty pissed at them after I pulled that hook out of my mouth.

162 b.d.  Feb 4, 2015 8:09:29am

re: #160 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#156

National Report is a fake news site.

She should resign anyways!

//

163 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 8:09:40am

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

NationalReport is a spoof site.

Oh good gawd….thanks.

164 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 8:10:45am

Sadly, that quote is 100% believable from someone like Ernst.

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 8:11:04am

This just isn’t right; eeeewww:

166 makeitstop  Feb 4, 2015 8:12:11am

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

This just isn’t right; eeeewww:

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I’m thinking I’ll pass on lunch for a bit. Ew, indeed.

167 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:13:16am

Spoof sites are pure noise without any redeeming features. They’re not even satire. They’re run by people who don’t give a damn about anything but profits,

168 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 8:14:08am

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those Alaska fishermen must be master baiters.

169 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 8:14:41am

re: #168 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Those Alaska fishermen must be master baiters.

Nothing like a good cod piece in the morning.

170 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 8:15:43am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Nothing like a good cod piece in the morning.

Don’t go off half cocked. Might get messy.

171 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:15:54am

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #166 makeitstop

What do you guys think about caviar? :P

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 8:16:18am

re: #171 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What do you guys think about caviar? :P

I think caviar is gross.

173 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:16:43am

re: #170 lawhawk

Don’t go off half cocked. Might get messy.

As Dick Cheney’s hunting friend can attest.

174 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 8:17:35am
175 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 8:18:04am

re: #170 lawhawk

Don’t go off half cocked. Might get messy.

That’s why they invented fish skins. Pricey, though.

thehairpin.com

176 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:19:33am
Milt as food[edit]
Milt or soft roe also refers to the male genitalia of fish when they contain sperm, used as food.
In many cuisines, milt is served fried.
In Russian cuisine, herring milt (молока, “Moloka”) pickled the same way as the rest of the fish, but eaten separately, sometimes combined with pickled herring roe.
In Japanese cuisine, the milt (白子 shirako ‘white children’) of cod (tara), anglerfish (ankō), salmon (sake), squid (ika) and pufferfish (fugu) are a delicacy.
In Sicilian cuisine, the milt of tuna is called “Lattume” and is used as a typical pasta topping.
In Romanian cuisine, the milt of carp and other fresh water fish is called “Lapți” (from the Latin word “Lactes”) and is usually fried.
177 makeitstop  Feb 4, 2015 8:19:38am

re: #171 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What do you guys think about caviar? :P

Also, ew.

178 makeitstop  Feb 4, 2015 8:20:43am

re: #176 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I’ll never think of Milton Friedman the same way.

179 Eventual Carrion  Feb 4, 2015 8:22:27am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

A magnet attracts screws and nuts. It’s what magnets do. You can’t explain that.

He has animal magnetism, he attracts animals.

180 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:22:57am

re: #177 makeitstop

Also, ew.

I also don’t find it appealing, for the same reasons, but eh, people eat everything.

181 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:23:48am

I also don’t like shrimp.

182 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2015 8:24:26am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Nice photos of the Minsk!

I think those cylinders along the side aren’t depth charges - more likely to be canisters for holding life rafts.

Modern ASW doesn’t use depth charges as much as air-dropped or rocket-delivered homing torpedoes.

183 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 8:24:45am

Yeah, it’s open borders with countries with equivalent or higher vaccination rates than the US. How does that work. Oh wait, the outbreaks occur because we aren’t vaccinating everyone and some ppl think that they shouldn’t get vaccinated because magical mystical beliefs. And they put everyone else at risk.

184 Kilroy01  Feb 4, 2015 8:26:15am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality
FYI: Life rafts not depth charges.

185 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 8:26:58am

re: #183 lawhawk

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Yeah, it’s open borders with countries with equivalent or higher vaccination rates than the US. How does that work. Oh wait, the outbreaks occur because we aren’t vaccinating everyone and some ppl think that they shouldn’t get vaccinated because magical mystical beliefs. And they put everyone else at risk.

Amazing that they can take a sane point of view and wrap it in their bat-shit ideology.

186 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 8:27:23am

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

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Minimum wage did for the buggy whip business as well.

187 allegro  Feb 4, 2015 8:27:45am

re: #183 lawhawk

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Yeah, it’s open borders with countries with equivalent or higher vaccination rates than the US. How does that work. Oh wait, the outbreaks occur because we aren’t vaccinating everyone and some ppl think that they shouldn’t get vaccinated because magical mystical beliefs. And they put everyone else at risk.

He apparently believes US citizens should not be allowed to cross our borders to travel. Or to not return of they do. They bring in diseases that way.

188 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 8:27:49am

re: #181 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I also don’t like shrimp.

NOW you’ve gone too far!

189 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:27:51am

re: #183 lawhawk

“He just cares about the health of the immigrants, so they don’t get sick from unvaccinated Americans.”

190 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 8:28:09am
“Like Hillary Clinton, I too have traveled hundreds of thousands of miles around the globe,” Carly Fiorina said at the Freedom Summit. “But unlike her, I have actually accomplished something. Mrs. Clinton, flying is an activity not an accomplishment.”

Fucking up four corporations is not an “accomplishment” either.

191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:28:49am

re: #188 wrenchwench

NOW you’ve gone too far!

Those are basically sea cockroaches.

192 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 8:29:32am

re: #191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Those are basically sea cockroaches.

But wet! And pink!

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 8:30:33am

re: #192 wrenchwench

But wet! And pink!

Also wet and pink:

194 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:32:20am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also a delicacy?

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 8:33:18am

re: #194 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Also a delicacy?

Probably. Maybe. I wouldn’t know…

196 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 8:34:33am

re: #181 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I’m indifferent regarding shrimp. OTOH, one of the most arresting sights I ever saw was when I was getting ready to sleep in one of the gun tubs of the USS Lexington and we passed nearby a large fleet of shrimpers in the Gulf of Mexico.

197 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 8:34:45am
198 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 8:36:47am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also wet and pink:

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Eeeeew!

199 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 8:38:19am

re: #191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Those are basically sea cockroaches.

Crustaceans look like big insects to me. *shudder*

200 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 8:38:39am

Here’s the Giant Pink Slug:
Giant Hot Pink Slugs Discovered Atop Unique Australian Peak
Read more at redorbit.com

201 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 8:40:05am
202 KingKenrod  Feb 4, 2015 8:41:03am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also wet and pink:

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I can’t see these things without thinking of the Slug Solos tumblr.

203 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 8:42:02am

re: #183 lawhawk

Yeah, it’s open borders with countries with equivalent or higher vaccination rates than the US. How does that work. Oh wait, the outbreaks occur because we aren’t vaccinating everyone and some ppl think that they shouldn’t get vaccinated because magical mystical beliefs. And they put everyone else at risk.

The important thing is not to let a public health crisis slide by without appropriating it.

Why have a functioning health system when we can spend billions on a border wall, possibly while doling out further billions to the security industry to secure it?

204 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 8:42:23am

re: #199 CuriousLurker

Crustaceans look like big insects to me. *shudder*

Mmmmmm, lobster.

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 8:45:40am

good grief…

206 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:46:18am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s the Giant Pink Slug:
Giant Hot Pink Slugs Discovered Atop Unique Australian Peak
Read more at redorbit.com

What does Limbaugh do at an Aussie peak?

207 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 8:47:15am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

The crime blotter countdown clock for the NFL remains firmly planted on 0 days since last arrest.

Just the other day, Warren Sapp (a now-former NFL Network analyst and NFL HoFer) was arrested on a prostitution charge in AZ following the Super Bowl.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 8:47:32am

re: #206 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What does Limbaugh do at an Aussie peak?

I so do NOT want to know the answer to that…

209 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 8:49:35am
210 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 8:50:40am

re:
#209

WTFITS?

211 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 8:51:57am

re: #210 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#209

WTFITS?

Obama was “unsmiling during the call, and slightly irritated when it was over,” Axelrod writes.

The president hung up and said Romney admitted he was surprised at his own loss, Axelrod wrote.

“‘You really did a great job of getting the vote out in places like Cleveland and Milwaukee,’ in other words, black people,’” Obama said, paraphrasing Romney. “That’s what he thinks this was all about.”

212 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 8:53:19am
On a trip to New York City in 2009, then Mayor Mike Bloomberg offered unsolicited advice about Obama’s demeanor. “‘You know what his problem is? You have to like people to be successful. You have to connect,” Bloomberg told Axelrod. “I saw him greet people at the golf course. You probably told him to do it. But he doesn’t feel it. You have to have that!”

Emmm. No comment.

213 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 8:54:44am

re: #212 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Emmm. No comment.

Yeah, Bloomberg wasn’t exactly Mr. Congeniality.

214 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 8:56:01am
215 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 8:56:55am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

“‘You really did a great job of getting the vote out in places like Cleveland and Milwaukee,’ in other words, black people,’” Obama said, paraphrasing Romney. “That’s what he thinks this was all about.”

I don’t think anyone is surprised by Rmoney’s statement.

216 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 8:59:25am

Went to see American Sniper with my lovely wife last night.

I honestly enjoyed more than I thought I would. It didn’t come across as overly political but at times felt a bit one sided. Have to commend Bradley Cooper, he clearly gave it everything he had.

I did come across this interesting tidbit in the imdb trivia:

When Jason Hall (the film’s writer) attended Chris Kyle’s funeral, he received numerous threats from soldiers that were friends of Chris. One soldier even said,”If you fuck this up, I’ll kill you.” The soldier was referring to the script Hall was working on about Chris. The soldier later approved of the movie after seeing it.

217 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 8:59:58am

Look who’s waving the Balance Fairy’s Magic Wand:

218 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 9:00:00am

Romneybot’s racism subroutines are quite sophisticated.

219 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 9:00:13am

re:
#211

David Axelrod’s book. I was wondering why I was seeing this bit about the concession phone call just surfacing now.

Actually I don’t think Romney’s reported comments are quite as bad as Nerdy Wonka portrayed them.

But given Romney’s actual recorded comments about the 47% and so forth he doesn’t warrant much slack.

220 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 9:01:46am
221 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 9:02:04am

SMOTI is busy claiming that the unemployment rate is above 10% and that the “liberal” media is now finally catching on.

If that were indeed the case, then the rate has been at least 3-4 points or more above the official rate for decades.

Oh wait, that’s what the U3 (official rate) versus the U6 rate shows. Now, what could have happened that caused a greater disconnect between the U3 and U6 rates than usual since 2000? A GOP refusal to provide a jobs bill, no infrastructure jobs, no minimum wage hikes, and baby boomers beginning their exits from the job market? Naw, that couldn’t be it…

222 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 9:03:21am

re: #220 wrenchwench

wut

223 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 9:03:25am

re:
#216

I’m sure it’s a good movie, or at least well-directed and acted. But I think I’ll save it for when it comes out on cable.

But the kind of cultish behavior surrounding it, and the late Chris Kyle, is a little disturbing.

224 urbanmeemaw  Feb 4, 2015 9:03:38am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GOP’s next cause will be promoting idea that eating should be voluntary so they can justify further cuts to SNAP.

225 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:03:58am

re: #221 lawhawk

SMOTI is busy claiming that the unemployment rate is above 10% and that the “liberal” media is now finally catching on.

If that were indeed the case, then the rate has been at least 3-4 points or more above the official rate for decades.

Oh wait, that’s what the U3 (official rate) versus the U6 rate shows. Now, what could have happened that caused a greater disconnect between the U3 and U6 rates than usual since 2000? A GOP refusal to provide a jobs bill, no infrastructure jobs, no minimum wage hikes, and baby boomers beginning their exits from the job market? Naw, that couldn’t be it…

I was unemployed from 2007-2010 and pretty much given up ever finding another job so I would have been one of those “uncounted” during the GWB admin.

Also after Y2K corporations couldn’t offshore IT jobs overseas fast enough.

226 Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2015 9:05:14am

re: #221 lawhawk

SMOTI is busy claiming that the unemployment rate is above 10% and that the “liberal” media is now finally catching on.

If that were indeed the case, then the rate has been at least 3-4 points or more above the official rate for decades.

Oh wait, that’s what the U3 (official rate) versus the U6 rate shows. Now, what could have happened that caused a greater disconnect between the U3 and U6 rates than usual since 2000? A GOP refusal to provide a jobs bill, no infrastructure jobs, no minimum wage hikes, and baby boomers beginning their exits from the job market? Naw, that couldn’t be it…

And the GOP’s brilliant plan is to cut unemployment benefits so even more people leave the labor market?

227 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:06:22am

re: #226 Timothy Watson

And the GOP’s brilliant plan is to cut unemployment benefits so even more people leave the labor market?

228 Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2015 9:07:00am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

Was that pic taken in Glenn Beck’s living room?

229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 9:07:13am

re:
#226

And then blame the unemployed for being unemployed.

230 Ace-o-aces  Feb 4, 2015 9:07:48am

Listen, just say you’re tired of buying your daughters all that Frozen crap. We understand (Hell, my girl has FOUR different Frozen dresses, 3 Elsa, 1 Anna). No need to dress it up with all this MRA BS.

231 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:11:21am

re: #229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#226

And then blame the unemployed for being unemployed.

HURR HURR TEH LAZY MOOCHERS DON’T WANT TO LOOK FOR A JRRB WHILE THERE LIVIN IT UP ON TEH UNEMPLOYMENTS PAID FOR BY TEH HARD WORKIN TAXPAYERS!!!!11!!!!

232 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 9:14:02am

Hat tip Curious Lurker for a link to a fun font to update my Page
littlegreenfootballs.com

233 Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2015 9:14:13am
234 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:14:20am

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

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Listen, just say you’re tired of buying your daughters all that Frozen crap. We understand (Hell, my girl has FOUR different Frozen dresses, 3 Elsa, 1 Anna). No need to dress it up with all this MRA BS.

Uh why are they freaking out about Frozen now? It really shows how out of touch they are considering how popular that movie was but what to expect from a network run by an old Nixon hatchet man.

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 9:15:19am
236 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:16:07am

HURR HURR CUTOFF THERE FREE UNEMPLOYMENT WELFARE & TEH LAZY MOOCHERS WILL TAKE ANY JRRB THEY CAN FIND!!!!!!

237 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 9:16:24am

re: #233 Charles Johnson

Looks like Nolte needs a timeout.

238 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 9:16:39am

re: #199 CuriousLurker

Crustaceans look like big insects to me. *shudder*

You look like a giant soft mountain of food to them.

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 9:17:11am
240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 9:17:45am

re: #233 Charles Johnson

Doesn’t he have anyone to murder?

241 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:18:02am

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s worth mentioning that the 50’s. That era that conservatives love to talk about with glowing eyes was in the fact the golden age of American unionism.

242 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 9:18:37am

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

Fox News should just let it go. Let that misogyny go. All the hate, fear, and fear-mongering go. It wont do them any good.

And their Islamophobia isn’t helping either, which is odd considering that Saudi billionaire (and member of the royal family) Al-Waleed bin Talal is a major shareholder.

243 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:18:52am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

It’s worth mentioning that the 50’s. That era that conservatives love to talk about with glowing eyes was in the fact the golden age of American unionism.

244 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 9:19:00am

re: #220 wrenchwench

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Does that even work in Spanish? The rr and ll pronunciation would throw it off. Needs a second look.

245 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:19:16am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

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Yep.

246 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 9:19:50am

re: #233 Charles Johnson

247 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:19:53am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Yep.

Ike was a Liberal Commie

248 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 9:20:11am

Paul Ryan and Piyush Jindal?

Paul Ryan and Piyush Jindal.
249 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:20:26am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

Ike was a Liberal Commie

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If Obama had that same record, he’d be made out to be a Commie.

250 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 9:21:20am

A little while ago I was leaving a comment on RWC’s most recent page—having in the back of my mind the knowledge that the Shrieking Harpy is organizing her own Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland, Texas with a $10,000 prize—when something occurred to me:

If people in the West, cartoonists especially, want to exercise their freedom of speech/expression and their target is truly Muslim extremists and not Islam itself and/or moderate Muslims, then why don’t they hold cartoon contests that ridicule the terrorists?

I get that some people consider religion/Islam to be the source of the problem, but still… why not heap visual scorn on the actual assholes doing all the bad stuff? Now that I’ve had the thought, it seems obvious. Is making the distinction between the institution of Islam, its founder, its 1.6 billion adherents, and terrorist groups like Daesh or AQ too subtle or something?

251 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 9:22:05am

re: #248 Dr. Matt

I’ve seen the official portrait of Jindal, and the constituent portrait, which is the one that is circulating, and it’s not exactly flattering either:

Image: jindal5n-3-web.jpg

252 Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2015 9:22:05am
253 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:23:15am

re: #250 CuriousLurker

A little while ago I was leaving a comment on RWC’s most recent page—having in the back of my mind the knowledge that the Shrieking Harpy is organizing her own Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland, Texas with a $10,000 prize—when something occurred to me:

If people in the West, cartoonists especially, want to exercise their freedom of speech/expression and their target is truly Muslim extremists and not Islam itself and/or moderate Muslims, then why don’t they hold cartoon contests for drawing cartoons that ridicule the terrorists?

I get that some people consider religion/Islam to be the source of the problem, but still… why not heap visual scorn on the actual assholes doing all the bad stuff? Now that I’ve had the thought, it seems obvious. Is making the distinction between the institution of Islam, its founder, its 1.6 billion adherents, and terrorist groups like Daesh or AQ too subtle or something?

254 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:26:16am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY (at midday)
Surprise, it’s posted by the same Idiot who won STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY this morning.
OBAMA IS WORSER THEN TEH ISIS!!!!!! in comic sans no less.

255 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 9:26:22am

re: #253 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah, so why aren’t Western cartoonists doing this? Not just now, but on a regular basis?

256 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:27:47am

re: #255 CuriousLurker

Yeah, so why aren’t Western cartoonists doing this? Not just now, but on a regular basis?

It would involve making a distinction between Deash and, you know, NORMAL Muslims, and that’s TOO HAAAAARRRDDD!!!!!!

257 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 9:28:40am

re:
#237

Looks like Nolte needs a timeout.

Nobody puts baby in a corner time-out.

258 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 9:29:02am

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

It would involve making a distinction between Deash and, you know, NORMAL Muslims, and that’s TOO HAAAAARRRDDD!!!!!!

Yeah, that seems to be the case.

259 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 9:29:03am

re: #251 lawhawk

I’ve seen the official portrait of Jindal, and the constituent portrait, which is the one that is circulating, and it’s not exactly flattering either:

Image: jindal5n-3-web.jpg

Ouch. Looks like one of those caricature drawings you can get at an amusement park.

260 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 9:29:18am

Gah, FedEx guy is here. BBL

261 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 9:30:07am

re: #259 Dr. Matt

Ouch. Looks like one of those caricature drawings you can get an amusement park.

Looks like Image: mad-magazine.jpg

262 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 9:30:55am

re:
#236

End of extended unemployment benefits credited for job surge

But the real unemployment rate is still 15% because Food Stamps and Obamacare.

//

263 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:31:49am

The Magical Balance Fairy, furiously waving the Magic Wand

Oh and this little gem:

264 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:33:06am

Glenn is all like HURR HURR TEH EBIL JUICE & THERE MONEYS!!!!1!!

265 wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2015 9:36:43am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

Glenn is all like HURR HURR TEH EBIL JUICE & THERE MONEYS!!!!1!!

He’s apparently a self-hater, too.

Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald
Do Not Follow

@bungdan @joesabro I don’t hate US. I hate blind jingoists & tribalists who decide to go into journalism to vent their jingoism & tribalism.

266 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:37:30am

re: #265 wrenchwench

He’s apparently a self-hater, too.

He doesn’t hate himself.

267 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:37:54am

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY==>

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 9:38:21am
269 Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2015 9:38:51am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

There are at least six items on that list that today’s GOP would fight to the death to eliminate.

270 Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2015 9:39:11am
271 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 9:39:28am

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY==>

If Christians can be forced to serve gay weddings, why can’t liberal columnists be forced to create/write what violates their conscience?
Read more at

What the fuck does this even mean?

272 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:39:55am

LET ME THINK, MAYBE BECAUSE IT’S MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR THEM THAN IT IS OVER HERE?
Just throwing that out.

273 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 9:40:27am
274 Eventual Carrion  Feb 4, 2015 9:40:33am

re: #271 Dr. Matt

What the fuck does this even mean?

He is pissed that christian’s are being forced to act christian, I think.

275 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:40:36am

re: #269 Skip Intro

There are at least six items on that list that today’s GOP would are fighting to the death to eliminate.

fixed

276 Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2015 9:41:25am
277 Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2015 9:45:32am

Staples Buys Office Depot For $6 Billion

Once there thousands of mom and pop office supply stores across the country, then there were three, then there were two, and now there’s only one.

Competition, the American way.

278 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:47:13am

re: #271 Dr. Matt

What the fuck does this even mean?

Probably the usual whining about “Christian” bakers who get pissy when they have to provide a cake to gay couples.

279 Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2015 9:48:22am
280 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:49:51am

re: #279 Charles Johnson

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This is like some sort of bad comic mash up.

281 Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2015 9:50:19am

re: #277 Skip Intro

Staples Buys Office Depot For $6 Billion

Once there thousands of mom and pop office supply stores across the country, then there were three, then there were two, and now there’s only one.

Competition, the American way.

The funny thing is that Staples is in the process of closing a bunch of stores, including the closest one to me. :/

282 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:50:53am

Right now is one of those moments I really wish Apple still made and improved upon the model of the iPod Classic. Have to a total restore. Groans.

283 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 9:51:23am

That thing where a good friend of yours gets wrapped up in a Multi-level marketing company and you can’t talk them out of it?

Yeah, that.

:(

284 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 9:51:49am

Wingnuts will lose their shit over this:
However it seems the Dwoskins have walked back their “vaccine skepticism” of the ‘90’s

285 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 9:52:19am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

This is like some sort of bad comic mash up.

Greenwald + Chuck = Toxic Avenger

286 Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2015 9:53:03am

Someone must have pissed in Nolte’s fruity pebbles this morning.

287 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 9:53:35am

re: #286 Dr. Matt

Someone must have pissed in Nolte’s fruity pebbles this morning.

He’s like this everyday though.

288 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 9:55:01am

Ire: #255 CuriousLurker

Yeah, so why aren’t Western cartoonists doing this? Not just now, but on a regular basis?

There’s not an audience for that level of nuance.

My first memory of moving back to the US was the white kids in my school picking on the Pakistani and Egyptian kid because of Gulf War 1…because Saddam Hussein was brown and Muslim, and the kids were brown and Muslim.

I haven’t seen any signs that people are interested in more detail. If anything, post-9/11 it’s got worse. Now there’s a caricature…a big, ugly racist caricature…that’s been thrown over hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by terrorism, that is specifically designed to make them Not People.

289 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 9:55:05am

re: #279 Charles Johnson

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Worst crossover ever.

290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 10:00:20am

re:
#283

Run

291 Romantic Heretic  Feb 4, 2015 10:00:30am

re: #153 b_sharp

- See more at: nationalreport.net

Why, oh why, is severe mental illness no longer a barrier to holding public office?

I give up. I can no longer distinguish between satire and actual news anymore.

292 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:01:56am

re: #291 Romantic Heretic

Why, oh why, is severe mental illness no longer a barrier to holding public office?

I have no idea. I can’t believe she seriously tried to imply that her neighbor was a liberal because of the vaccinations the guy got. Nah, Joni, he’s a liberal because unlike you he doesn’t live in the same century as John C. Calhoun like you do.

293 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 10:02:18am

re:
#286

<blockquote<Someone must have pissed in Nolte’s fruity pebbles this morning.

Are wingnuts required to engage in this “If such and such liberal thing then why not conservative thing” two-minute hate every day ?

294 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 10:03:16am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. I can’t believe she seriously tried to imply that her neighbor was a liberal because of the vaccinations the guy got. Nah, Joni, he’s a liberal because unlike you he doesn’t live in the same century as John C. Calhoun like you do.

It’s fake news.

295 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:03:18am

re: #293 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#286

<blockquote<Someone must have pissed in Nolte’s fruity pebbles this morning.

Are wingnuts required to engage in this “If such and such liberal thing then why not conservative thing” two-minute hate every day ?

Yes end of sentence.

296 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:03:42am

re: #294 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s fake news.

Ah okay my bad. Can you blame me though with the stupidity we’ve seen lately though?

297 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 10:04:16am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Ah okay my bad. Can you blame me though with the stupidity we’ve seen lately though?

No, and the idiotic fake news sites don’t help either.

298 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:04:18am

Stupid Itunes/Ipod. Stuck on determining track to sync.

299 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 10:04:36am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. I can’t believe she seriously tried to imply that her neighbor was a liberal because of the vaccinations the guy got. Nah, Joni, he’s a liberal because unlike you he doesn’t live in the same century as John C. Calhoun like you do.

And because the National Report is one of those sites that’s “satire” but isn’t really funny, and basically makes money off creating articles that sound like something serious.

300 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:04:52am

re: #297 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

No, and the idiotic fake news sites don’t help either.

Yeah that one site the freewood press or whatever is the worst. The Onion is pretty clear that it’s satire.

301 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:05:10am

re: #299 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

And because the National Report is one of those sites that’s “satire” but is really funny, and basically makes money off creating articles that sound like something serious.

Yep brainfart on my part. I hate those “satire” sites.

302 Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2015 10:05:39am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Stupid Itunes/Ipod. Stuck on determining track to sync.

Itunes is one of the worst programs ever created. I feel your pain.

303 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 10:07:02am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Yeah that one site the freewood press or whatever is the worst. The Onion is pretty clear that it’s satire.

Onion has talent.

The authors of the spoof sites simply write articles as if they were real news articles with a couple of exaggerations - there’s nothing to laugh at, it doesn’t even count as satire.

304 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:07:05am

re: #302 Skip Intro

Itunes is one of the worst programs ever created. I feel your pain.

The worst thing Apple did was to never release a new and updated iPod classic. Left us people who just wanted a pure music player out in the cold. If I want apps, I can use them on my phone or tablet.

305 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:07:29am

re: #303 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Onion has talent.

The authors of the spoof sites simply write articles as if they were real news articles with a couple of exaggerations - there’s nothing to laugh at, it doesn’t even count as satire.

Exactly.

306 b.d.  Feb 4, 2015 10:08:34am

In case you’re wondering:

307 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 10:10:19am

re: #303 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Onion has talent.

The authors of the spoof sites simply write articles as if they were real news articles with a couple of exaggerations - there’s nothing to laugh at, it doesn’t even count as satire.

I will swear up and down that their business model is precisely to be mistaken for serious news.

308 Teukka  Feb 4, 2015 10:10:22am

re: #306 b.d.

In case you’re wondering:

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So what particular jab did he take?

309 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 10:10:44am

re: #307 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

I will swear up and down that their business model is precisely to be mistaken for serious news.

Of course.

310 b.d.  Feb 4, 2015 10:12:20am

re: #308 Teukka

So what particular jab did he take?

THE ONE THE ILLUMINATI RUN MSM MADE HIM TAKE!

311 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 10:12:39am

These sites also bring real harm when their articles are translated into foreign languages and foisted upon unsuspecting people.

312 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:12:52am

re: #308 Teukka

So what particular jab did he take?

Hepatitis B booster

313 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:12:59am

re: #310 b.d.

[wingnut] THE ONE THE ILLUMINATI RUN MSM MADE HIM TAKE! [/wingut]

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Well I guess Alex will now be supporting his fellow Texan Cruz following Rand’s “betrayal.”

314 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 10:14:07am

re: #310 b.d.

Meanwhile, Rand Paul consorts with Alex Jones regularly. He’s on the show almost as often as John McCain makes rounds on the Sunday shows.

315 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:15:06am

Joe started the infowars tweeting yesterday. See his TL for more.

316 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:15:37am

re: #290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#283

Run

I know. I was suspicious enough when she started talking about this new “business opportunity” she was pursuing.

Only took about 10 minutes of online research and I found multiple red flags, chiefly:

1. You have to pay $240 ($20/month) each year as well as a one time $150 “start up fee” just to become a sales rep for this company.

2. The reimbursement scheme is complex and it seems that you only really make money after you’ve pulled over 50 other people into the program.

317 Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2015 10:16:28am

re: #302 Skip Intro

Itunes is one of the worst programs ever created. I feel your pain.

I’m still waiting on a download scheduler so I don’t have to get up at 2:00 a.m. to download stuff during my free download period (also, screw you HughesNet).

Hell, Steam added one a year ago, but iTunes won’t?

318 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:16:44am

re: #302 Skip Intro

Itunes is one of the worst programs ever created. I feel your pain.

As do I. Itunes is one of the many reasons I refuse to own an Iphone.

319 Teukka  Feb 4, 2015 10:16:50am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hepatitis B booster

Not likely to get side effects.

320 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:17:11am

OWL!!!

321 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 10:17:22am

Bollocks, Schneider’s star will live on forever.

322 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:17:22am

re: #317 Timothy Watson

I’m still waiting on a download scheduler so I don’t have to get up at 2:00 a.m. to download stuff during my free download period (also, screw you HughesNet).

Hell, Steam added one a year ago, but iTunes won’t?

Been there. Got the t-shirt. Never again.

323 TedStriker  Feb 4, 2015 10:18:19am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

OWL!!!

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Now that’s a Superb Owl!

;-)

324 Romantic Heretic  Feb 4, 2015 10:19:08am

re: #293 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Are wingnuts required to engage in this “If such and such liberal thing then why not conservative thing” two-minute hate every day ?

They aren’t required, but since they are all hate addicts they have to in order to feed their habit.

325 Kragar  Feb 4, 2015 10:19:11am
326 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 10:19:44am

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

I know. I was suspicious enough when she started talking about this new “business opportunity” she was pursuing.

Only took about 10 minutes of online research and I found multiple red flags, chiefly:

1. You have to pay $240 ($20/month) each year as well as a one time $150 “start up fee” just to become a sales rep for this company.

2. The reimbursement scheme is complex and it seems that you only really make money after you’ve pulled over 50 other people into the program.

That shit should be illegal. Upwards wealth redistribution via exploitation of the gullible and desperate, pure and simple.

327 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:20:34am

re: #321 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Bollocks, Schneider’s star will live on forever.

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Because Rob Schneider’s talent was something that was eagerly demanded before he went anti-vaxx. If it wasn’t for Adam Sandler, his career would have ended years ago.

328 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:21:21am

Still on determining tracks to sync? Really Itunes? I wonder if it has to do with the latest software update. That’s when I typically have problems with Itunes.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:21:47am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Because Rob Schneider’s talent was something that was eagerly demanded before he went anti-vaxx. If it wasn’t for Adam Sandler, his career would have ended years ago.

And Schneider had to pretty much memorize only one line of dialogue, no matter what movie he was in.

330 Kragar  Feb 4, 2015 10:22:27am

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Schneider had to know pretty much memorize only one line of dialogue, no matter what movie he was in.

“He doesn’t know how to use the three seashells! HAHAHAHA!”

331 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:24:22am

Sentences never heard- “I’m so excited for the new Rob Schneider comedy.”

332 Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2015 10:25:44am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Sentences never heard- “I’m so excited for the new Rob Schneider comedy.”

“Rob Schneider is is certainly deserving of an Oscar for his outstanding performance……he’s definitely due for recognition for his fine acting work” said no one ever.

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:25:54am

Yay, Kentucky!

334 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 10:25:56am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Sentences never heard- “I’m so excited for the new Rob Schneider comedy.”

Unless it’s a part of South Park.

335 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:26:08am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Sentences never heard- “I’m so excited for the new Rob Schneider comedy.”

“And the best supporting actor Oscar goes to…Rob Schneider.”

336 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:26:19am

re: #334 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Unless it’s a part of South Park.

HEh and that was only one episode years ago.

337 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:27:17am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting breakdown. Shocked that Mississippi and Alabama have NO exemptions.

I guess we aren’t dead last in everything!

338 Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2015 10:27:45am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

339 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:29:28am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

Isn’t Oregon considered something of a new age, health food, humanist kind of place?

340 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 10:29:32am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

moonbat, meet wingnut…here is an issue you converge on.

341 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:30:05am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

moonbat, meet wingnut…here is an issue you converge on.

Yeah, that’s basically what I was going for lol.

342 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:30:08am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Isn’t Oregon considered something of a new age, health food, humanist kind of place?

Yes, Vermont too which is also high on the map.

343 Kragar  Feb 4, 2015 10:30:36am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

6.1 I believe

344 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 10:30:43am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

6.1% - not 61%. There’s a decimal place there.

345 Lidane  Feb 4, 2015 10:30:44am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Such bullshit. The ONLY exemptions that should exist are medical ones. If you’ve got a compromised immune system or a documented allergy or some other valid medical reason why you can’t get vaccinated, that’s understandable.

For everyone else? Nope. You don’t get to jeopardize herd immunity because you think your kid is a special snowflake, or because you believed Jenny McCarthy, or because of whatever other reason you think you’re entitled to opt out.

346 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 10:31:03am

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Schneider had to pretty much memorize only one line of dialogue, no matter what movie he was in.

DERP DERP DEEDLY DERPTY DOO!

347 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:31:06am

re: #343 Kragar

6.1 I believe

Yes that’s a decimal.

348 Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2015 10:31:45am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

moonbat, meet wingnut…here is an issue you converge on.

Appalling. Simply appalling.

349 Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2015 10:32:34am

re: #343 Kragar

6.1 I believe

Yep, my bad. Didn’t see that decimal point.

350 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:34:15am

It’s high in Idaho too while it’s quite low in Mississippi. And while it is high in Vermont/Oregon, it’s also comparatively low in Massachusetts.

351 Lidane  Feb 4, 2015 10:34:15am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

moonbat, meet wingnut…here is an issue you converge on.

Yep. The Texas GOP even enshrines anti-vax in their platform:

352 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:34:48am

re: #351 Lidane

Yep. The Texas GOP even enshrines anti-vax in their platform:

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[PDF link]

Second biggest state in the union y’all.

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:35:01am

re: #337 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting breakdown. Shocked that Mississippi and Alabama West Virginia have NO exemptions.

I guess we aren’t dead last in everything!

In Kentucky, I’m guessing that it was the Amish getting the majority of the religious exemptions, which they no longer request since the massive measles outbreak in Ohio last year. Since that happened, public health officials met with Amish leaders and the Amish pretty much said “yikes! get those immunizations up to date for everyone.”

354 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 10:35:12am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

It’s high in Idaho too while it’s quite low in Mississippi. And while it is high in Vermont/Oregon, it’s also comparatively low in Massachusetts.

I’d imagine there are all kinds of data reporting issues at play. I wouldn’t have a whole lot of confidence in those figures at this point.

355 Bubblehead II  Feb 4, 2015 10:36:01am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

Gee, what a surprise. Idaho is right up there with them.

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356 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:36:01am

re: #354 iossarian

I’d imagine there are all kinds of data reporting issues at play. I wouldn’t have a whole lot of confidence in those figures at this point.

Gotcha.

357 Lidane  Feb 4, 2015 10:36:27am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Second biggest state in the union y’all.

And they want the right to opt out of vaccinations for ANY reason without consequences.

358 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2015 10:37:43am

re: #354 iossarian

I’d imagine there are all kinds of data reporting issues at play. I wouldn’t have a whole lot of confidence in those figures at this point.

Mississippi doesn’t have a religious or personal belief exemption. I would actually take that at face value.*

* Or I would if they were, you know, reporting data. I would guess it is very low though, for the above reason.

359 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:37:54am

re: #357 Lidane

And they want the right to opt out of vaccinations for ANY reason without consequences.

That’s so fucking dangerous and reckless. Of course this is also the same state GOP that fought for years to keep criminalizing being gay on the books.

360 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:38:57am

re: #354 iossarian

I’d imagine there are all kinds of data reporting issues at play. I wouldn’t have a whole lot of confidence in those figures at this point.

From what I can tell from reading the article and links there, the data is for children entering kindergarten, so those would most likely be fairly accurate numbers.
Probably doesn’t include homeschooled kids.

361 Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2015 10:38:57am
362 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 10:41:05am

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSSSS!!!!

363 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 10:42:09am

re: #351 Lidane

Compare, the TX GOP platform:

Immunizations- All adult citizens should have the legal right to conscientiously choose which
vaccines are administered to themselves, or their minor children, without penalty for refusing a vaccine. We oppose any effort by any authority to mandate such vaccines or any medical database that would contain personal records of citizens without their consent.

And contrast TX Democrat platform contains the following:

. Democrats support efforts in Texas to increase the number of primary care physicians and nurses, as well efforts to encourage healthy living. Texas Democrats support the education and promotion of vaccinations and immunizations.

364 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 10:42:26am

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Gotcha.

To elaborate: who knows whether different states are compiling their figures in different ways (elementary school records, doctors/health systems etc.) and making different assumptions where data is missing. So attributing a specific number to a particular state has to be hedged a bit.

Having said that, the overall story that allowing easy access to exemptions results in lower vaccination rates is presumably true, and apparently confirmed by the data overall.

365 HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2015 10:42:41am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSSSS!!!!

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Uh no Erick, sorry the NYT isn’t World Net Daily.

366 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 10:44:40am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

Only in an addled right winger’s view would the GOP position on vaccines be even considered credible. Their position puts people at risk of fatal complications from exposure to diseases that are otherwise preventable.

367 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 10:45:35am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSSSS!!!!

It is completely and utterly immoral that the New York Times forced to Erik Ericsson to imagine it said something.

They should issue a retraction.

368 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 10:45:56am

re:
#362

Only a matter of time before a front page NYTimes think piece on how the GOP killed the Jordanian pilot to move the discussion off vaccines.

So whoever pissed in Nick Nolte’s fruity pebbles has been at it in Erick son of Erick’s lucky charms, too.

369 Ace-o-aces  Feb 4, 2015 10:46:17am

motherjones.com

370 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 10:46:18am

re: #364 iossarian

To elaborate: who knows whether different states are compiling their figures in different ways (elementary school records, doctors/health systems etc.) and making different assumptions where data is missing. So attributing a specific number to a particular state has to be hedged a bit.

Having said that, the overall story that allowing easy access to exemptions results in lower vaccination rates is presumably true, and apparently confirmed by the data overall.

From a link in the article:

State and local vaccination requirements for school entry are implemented to maintain high vaccination coverage and protect schoolchildren from vaccine-preventable diseases (1). Each year, to assess state and national vaccination coverage and exemption levels among kindergartners, CDC analyzes school vaccination data collected by federally funded state, local, and territorial immunization programs. This report describes vaccination coverage in 49 states and the District of Columbia (DC) and vaccination exemption rates in 46 states and DC for children enrolled in kindergarten during the 2013-14 school year.

There’s lots more at:
cdc.gov

371 Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2015 10:47:22am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Still on determining tracks to sync? Really Itunes? I wonder if it has to do with the latest software update. That’s when I typically have problems with Itunes.

One of many problems I have with iTunes is that I have no idea what it’s going to do. When I subscribed to iTunes Match, I didn’t realize that it would delete every single song on my iPod that it matched, assuming I would just play them from the cloud.

I guess there’s a way to download them back, but jeez, Apple, couldn’t you have told me first so I could decide? I really don’t want to down load 30 gigs of music because Apple decided what was best for me.

372 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 10:48:26am

re: #368 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#362

So whoever pissed in Nick Nolte’s fruity pebbles has been at it in Erick son of Erick’s lucky charms, too.

Given his general behavior, I’d infer that piss and Lucky Charms is Eric’s preferred breakfast.

373 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 10:51:13am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

I tweeted that only an addled right winger would think that the GOP vax position is credible. Mandatory vaccinations except for med exempt.

so far, no further response…

374 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 10:51:23am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

Indeed. And I’m not trying to be difficult, but this is from the CDC link you posted:

All estimates of coverage and exemption rates were adjusted based on the type of survey conducted and response rates, using data aggregated at school or county level as appropriate and available, unless otherwise noted. Vaccination requirements for school entry, as reported to CDC by the federally funded immunization programs, varied.** Kindergartners were considered up-to-date for any single vaccine if they had received all of the doses of that vaccine required for school entry in their jurisdiction. Nine states considered kindergartners up-to-date only if they had received all of the doses for all vaccines required for school entry in their jurisdiction.†† Of the 49 states and DC reporting vaccination coverage, 13 met CDC standards for school assessment methods in 2013-14.§§

That last line suggests to me that, while the CDC has presumably done all it can to collect meaningful data, there’s probably quite a bit of noise in there as well. I speak as someone whose job it is (amongst other things) to report data to the government - the devil is always in the details.

375 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:51:33am

I emigrated to the United States legally. Having my vaccines up to date was a BIG DEAL. So big in fact, that when my childhood records went missing (thanks, mom!) I had to get a whole round of vaccines AGAIN just so Uncle Sam could be 100% certain I wouldn’t be bringing any of those horrible diseases into the country with me.

I even had to get a few boosters AGAIN as part of my green card application.

It seems the U.S. government in some areas has it right with regards to vaccines.

Oh and on a final note: My mom called me a week after my first round of shots to tell me she’d found my records.

376 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:52:54am

re: #374 iossarian

Of the 49 states and DC reporting vaccination coverage, 13 met CDC standards for school assessment methods in 2013-14.

Wow, what was the one state that didn’t report?

377 Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2015 10:53:11am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

A lot of SF area moonbats moved to Oregon in the 1970s. This is the result.

Just watch Portlandia for a not too over the top look at Oregon.

As the show says, it’s where young people go to retire.

378 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 10:53:55am

On cue:

Just remember that the GOP is all about the economy, jobs, and yet here they go on with pushing for ACA repeal, abortion restrictions, and now considering impeachment.

379 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:54:47am

I wish they would impeach Obama. Send the clown car totally over the cliff.

380 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2015 10:55:21am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Kentucky, I’m guessing that it was the Amish getting the majority of the religious exemptions, which they no longer request since the massive measles outbreak in Ohio last year. Since that happened, public health officials met with Amish leaders and the Amish pretty much said “yikes! get those immunizations up to date for everyone.”

Would they be more vulnerable to German measles as compared to the regular kind?
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381 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 10:55:29am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, Oregon at 61%?!

WTF?

From the CDC footnotes:

Oregon estimates included vaccination coverage and exemption data for children enrolled in public online homeschools.

Other states may not be including homeschooled kids in their data. That’s what I mean about not taking any one state’s number as some kind of literal truth. But the aggregate picture does tell us something.

382 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 10:56:41am

Because, you know, impeaching the first black President wouldn’t have racial overtones at all.

383 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 10:57:35am

re: #376 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, what was the one state that didn’t report?

From the CDC link, I’m guessing Wyoming.

cdc.gov

384 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 10:59:32am

re: #378 lawhawk

If they’re getting close to impeaching Obama they’re getting much closer to demonstrating Zeno’s paradoxes.

385 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 11:00:42am

Colorado’s figure is apparently based on a survey of 350 kindergartners, or 0.5% of the population.

Not sure how good 5 year-olds are at filling in surveys, either.

386 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 11:01:44am

My son-in-law just sent a picture of himself with Bibi Netanyahu.

I don’t know if I want to Tweet it.

387 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 11:02:56am

re:
#378

Just remember that the GOP is all about the economy, jobs, and yet here they go on with pushing for ACA repeal, abortion restrictions, and now considering impeachment.

We won election which was mandate to Impeach president and do all other kinds of things we want.

388 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 11:04:05am

re:
#386

I’d like to see it.

389 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2015 11:04:09am

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Because, you know, impeaching the first black President wouldn’t have racial overtones at all.

No, haven’t you heard? To NOT impeach Obama would be racist. Because….? Well, I really can’t say. It didn’t make any sense to me.

390 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 11:05:21am

re: #378 lawhawk

On cue:

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Just remember that the GOP is all about the economy, jobs, and yet here they go on with pushing for ACA repeal, abortion restrictions, and now considering impeachment.

Please proceed, Representative.

391 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 11:07:16am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

My son-in-law just sent a picture of himself with Bibi Netanyahu.

I don’t know if I want to Tweet it.

You lie down with Likud, you get fleeced.

392 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 11:07:47am

That’d be the UKIP. Again.

393 Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2015 11:08:10am

re: #385 iossarian

Colorado’s figure is apparently based on a survey of 350 kindergartners, or 0.5% of the population.

Not sure how good 5 year-olds are at filling in surveys, either.

I would assume that the surveys were given to the parents.

394 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 11:08:27am

re: #392 lawhawk

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That’d be the UKIP. Again.

They probably got the idea from Geert Wilders.

395 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 4, 2015 11:08:28am

There’s been a deafening silence from the GOP regarding Obama’s 2015 budget. The cause must be one of the following:
1) They ran out of crayons
2) Paul Ryan has a headache
3) It’s taking longer than usual to decide which parts of the
social safety net they will dismantle in return for defense
spending hikes

396 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2015 11:09:09am
397 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 4, 2015 11:11:46am

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Because, you know, impeaching the first black President wouldn’t have racial overtones at all.

SEE. LIBERALS ARE ALWAYS BEING RACIAL

STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD

398 Ace-o-aces  Feb 4, 2015 11:12:02am

re: #392 lawhawk

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That’d be the UKIP. Again.

Is that one of Geller’s buddies?

399 Lidane  Feb 4, 2015 11:12:25am

re: #373 lawhawk

I tweeted that only an addled right winger would think that the GOP vax position is credible. Mandatory vaccinations except for med exempt.

I keep getting some variation of Librulz are pro-choice on murdering baybeez! Y u not pro-parental choice on vaccines?

It’s incredibly lazy thinking.

400 iossarian  Feb 4, 2015 11:13:48am

re: #393 Timothy Watson

I would assume that the surveys were given to the parents.

I would assume that too. The CDC footnotes, however, are silent on the issue. :)

401 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 11:13:58am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

You lie down with Likud, you get fleeced.

Be nice to Bibi or God’s going to kill you.

This message brought to you by John Hagee, who once declared that Hitler was God’s way of getting the Jews back to Israel…so he’s clearly an expert on God’s smiting habits.

402 Lidane  Feb 4, 2015 11:14:57am
403 lawhawk  Feb 4, 2015 11:15:26am
404 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 11:15:28am

re: #401 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

Be nice to Bibi or God’s going to kill you.

This message brought to you by John Hagee, who once declared that Hitler was God’s way of getting the Jews back to Israel…so he’s clearly an expert on God’s smiting habits.

Jesus F. Christ

405 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 11:15:38am

re: #401 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

smh.

If you are a believer then you believe that God is the only true ruler of Israel. Even in the Bible there were some terrible Israeli leaders.

406 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 11:17:13am

welp, MrBWS’s CT scan results are in and there’s a mass in his lung (a mass not big enough to show up on a chest x-ray, mind you).
Doctor is scheduling a biopsy and he is freaking out, despite never having been a smoker and the fact that there are so many very common and benign reasons for a lung mass/spot (most people who are fortunate to get old enough, they are gonna have a few!)

And here I thought the manflu a couple of weeks ago was the worst of it…

Anyway, positive vibes willingly accepted from anyone so inclined to share.

407 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 11:18:35am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp, MrBWS’s CT scan results are in and there’s a mass in his lung (a mass not big enough to show up on a chest x-ray, mind you).
Doctor is scheduling a biopsy and he is freaking out, despite never having been a smoker and the fact that there are so many very common and benign reasons for a lung mass/spot (most people who are fortunate to get old enough, they are gonna have a few!)

And here I thought the manflu a couple of weeks ago was the worst of it…

Anyway, positive vibes willingly accepted from anyone so inclined to share.

Hugs and Prayers going out to you.

408 Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2015 11:18:40am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp, MrBWS’s CT scan results are in and there’s a mass in his lung (a mass not big enough to show up on a chest x-ray, mind you).
Doctor is scheduling a biopsy and he is freaking out, despite never having been a smoker and the fact that there are so many very common and benign reasons for a lung mass/spot (most people who are fortunate to get old enough, they are gonna have a few!)

And here I thought the manflu a couple of weeks ago was the worst of it…

Anyway, positive vibes willingly accepted from anyone so inclined to share.

Not much to do but speed the tests along—good luck to him.

409 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 4, 2015 11:19:50am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp, MrBWS’s CT scan results are in and there’s a mass in his lung (a mass not big enough to show up on a chest x-ray, mind you).
Doctor is scheduling a biopsy and he is freaking out, despite never having been a smoker and the fact that there are so many very common and benign reasons for a lung mass/spot (most people who are fortunate to get old enough, they are gonna have a few!)

And here I thought the manflu a couple of weeks ago was the worst of it…

Anyway, positive vibes willingly accepted from anyone so inclined to share.

Positive thoughts and prayers to you both.

410 #FergusonFireside  Feb 4, 2015 11:20:01am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp, MrBWS’s CT scan results are in and there’s a mass in his lung (a mass not big enough to show up on a chest x-ray, mind you).
Doctor is scheduling a biopsy and he is freaking out, despite never having been a smoker and the fact that there are so many very common and benign reasons for a lung mass/spot (most people who are fortunate to get old enough, they are gonna have a few!)

And here I thought the manflu a couple of weeks ago was the worst of it…

Anyway, positive vibes willingly accepted from anyone so inclined to share.

+VIBES sent.

411 Ace-o-aces  Feb 4, 2015 11:20:31am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

Jesus F. Christ

Note to all Goyim: {cough} BIBI IS NOT KING OF THE JEWS! HE IS THE LEADER OF AN ISRAELI POLITICAL PARTY! HE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS FIGURE!

412 makeitstop  Feb 4, 2015 11:20:36am

Sending good thoughts, BWS.

413 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 11:21:02am

And I am so thankful for GREAT Union Insurance that will pay for all (most) of this.

414 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 4, 2015 11:22:34am

re: #405 Eclectic Cyborg

smh.

If you are a believer then you believe that God is the only true ruler of Israel. Even in the Bible there were some terrible Israeli leaders.

Imagined Wingnut Israel is populated by the cast of Fiddler of the Roof, copy-pasted several million times, plus some high-end military hardware. It has none of the historical or political complexities of Actual Israel.

Also consider that the entire standard of leadership quality for Imagined Wingnut Israel is “appeasing the interests of dispensationalist Christians in the USA.”

415 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 11:24:06am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Right is worse: we’re smarter than the scientists + fuck govt

416 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 4, 2015 11:26:05am

re: #405 Eclectic Cyborg

smh.

If you are a believer then you believe that God is the only true ruler of Israel. Even in the Bible there were some terrible Israeli leaders.

I think the Bible judges most of them to be terrible.

417 urbanmeemaw  Feb 4, 2015 11:28:36am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

{{{{Mr. and Mrs. Sleuth}}}}

418 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2015 11:31:55am

re:
#406

Yes, best of luck to the Mr. Sleuth with the biopsy. Positive vibes to both of you.

419 Khal Wimpo  Feb 4, 2015 11:32:37am

We can haz new thread now, pleez?

Taking too long to scroll down to the bottom of this one whenever my browser craps out.

420 Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2015 11:33:14am

re: #378 lawhawk

On cue:

[Embedded content]

Just remember that the GOP is all about the economy, jobs, and yet here they go on with pushing for ACA repeal, abortion restrictions, and now considering impeachment.

You left out another Benghazi hearing.

421 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2015 11:34:29am

REPEAL BENGHAZI!

422 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2015 11:35:29am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Anti-vaxxers in a nutshell:
Right = Gubmit can’t tell me what to do.
Left = We’re smarter than scientists.

Right: We mistrust Big Government and Modern Science
Left: We mistrust Big Pharma and Western Medicine

423 Romantic Heretic  Feb 4, 2015 11:35:49am

re: #383 iossarian

From the CDC link, I’m guessing Wyoming.

cdc.gov

Quelle surprise.

424 Romantic Heretic  Feb 4, 2015 11:38:15am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp, MrBWS’s CT scan results are in and there’s a mass in his lung (a mass not big enough to show up on a chest x-ray, mind you).
Doctor is scheduling a biopsy and he is freaking out, despite never having been a smoker and the fact that there are so many very common and benign reasons for a lung mass/spot (most people who are fortunate to get old enough, they are gonna have a few!)

And here I thought the manflu a couple of weeks ago was the worst of it…

Anyway, positive vibes willingly accepted from anyone so inclined to share.

Sending strength and positive vibes your way.

425 A Cranky One  Feb 4, 2015 11:38:57am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

Positive thoughts/vibes your way!

426 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 11:39:35am

re: #401 The Ghost of the Vanishing Commissar

Be nice to Bibi or God’s going to kill you.

This message brought to you by John Hagee, who once declared that Hitler was God’s way of getting the Jews back to Israel…so he’s clearly an expert on God’s smiting habits.

From the article:

“I am a student of world history,” Hagee said, “and you can wrap up world history in 25 words or less and here it is: the nations that blessed Israel prospered and the nations that cursed Israel were destroyed by the hand of God.”

Um, what? To my knowledge, from the mid-second century until 1948 there was no “Israel” in the sense of a nation/state as we understand it today. Not only that, but ALL nations rise & eventually collapse, history chronicles this.

#TheStupidItBurns

427 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 11:40:32am

Thanks all for the good vibes.
I shall repeat: whatever this “mass” is, it was much too small to show up on a chest x-ray, so I don’t have any huge concerns that it’s lung cancer. More likely it’s scar tissue from a previous chest infection or just stuff that happens to most old(er) people lungs. If it is cancer, it’s small enough that the entire mass and some surrounding tissue will just be excised during the biopsy procedure, which may be uncomfortable (to say the least) but we’re not talking chest-cracking major surgery.
Unfortunately, MrBWS is a Worst Case Scenario Worrier TM so there’s that…

428 Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2015 11:42:01am

re: #426 CuriousLurker

From the article:

Um, what? To my knowledge, from the mid-second century until 1948 there was no “Israel” in the sense of a nation/state as we understand it today. Not only that, but ALL nations rise & eventually collapse, history chronicles this.

#TheStupidItBurns

I don’t recall the United States being cursed and/or destroyed when Ike was President and opposed the Suez Crisis.

429 BeachDem  Feb 4, 2015 12:09:58pm

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sending good thoughts and anecdotal tidbit—my sister, who IS a smoker, had a similar situation last year and was scared shitless. It turned out to be a non-event.

430 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2015 12:35:47pm

re: #429 BeachDem

Sending good thoughts and anecdotal tidbit—my sister, who IS a smoker, had a similar situation last year and was scared shitless. It turned out to be a non-event.

Good for her!
These lung masses/spots usually are nothingburgers.


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