Jim Hoft Again: Did Gallup’s CEO Really Say He Might ‘Suddenly Disappear?’

They never stop lying
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Here we go again! Yes, folks, we have two articles about the Stupidest Man on the Internet today, because once again Jim Hoft is helping circulate a huge lie to the crazed right wing base. His screaming headline:

Gallup CEO: I May “Suddenly Disappear” for Telling Truth About Obama Unemployment Rate (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

Gallup CEO Jim Clifton told CNBC he might “suddenly disappear” for telling the truth about the Obama unemployment rate.

The real Obama unemployment rate has never recovered and is still above 10%.

Wall Street on Parade reported:

Years of unending news stories on U.S. government programs of surveillance,rendition and torture have apparently chilled the speech of even top business executives in the United States.

Yesterday, Jim Clifton, the Chairman and CEO of Gallup, an iconic U.S. company dating back to 1935, told CNBC that he was worried he might “suddenly disappear” and not make it home that evening if he disputed the accuracy of what the U.S. government is reporting as unemployed Americans.

The CNBC interview came one day after Clifton had penned a gutsy opinion piece on Gallup’s web site, defiantly calling the government’s 5.6 percent unemployment figure “The Big Lie” in the article’s headline. His appearance on CNBC was apparently to walk back the “lie” part of the title and reframe the jobs data as just hopelessly deceptive.

Clifton stated the following on CNBC:

“I think that the number that comes out of BLS [Bureau of Labor Statistics] and the Department of Labor is very, very accurate. I need to make that very, very clear so that I don’t suddenly disappear. I need to make it home tonight.”

The simple rule that must be followed whenever the SMOTI publishes a shocking claim like this: assume he’s lying. You’ll never go wrong. So let’s go to the actual video — which, oddly enough, does not actually play in Hoft’s article or at his loony source for the claim — and check it out. Did Jim Clifton actually say these words?

Yes, he did. But is he actually worried that the Obama administration might kill him for expressing his opinion about the unemployment statistics?

Absolutely not. What Hoft and his source fail to tell you is that Clifton was making a (bad) joke. Watch for yourself; he smiles and laughs when he says it. Obviously, he’s not seriously concerned about “disappearing.”

Video

Just one more lie from the SMOTI.

And look who’s picking up articles now from Jim Hoft — just the most deranged conspiracy loon in the US, Alex Jones: » Gallup CEO: I May ‘Suddenly Disappear’ for Telling Truth About Obama Unemployment Rate - Alex Jones’ Infowars

Birds of a feather, lying together.

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253 comments
1 aagcobb  Feb 8, 2015 1:23:59pm

Because how dare he reveal that there is a U-6 unemployment rate that the BLS updates every month on its website for anyone to click on and look at?

2 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 1:26:48pm
3 Dr. Matt  Feb 8, 2015 1:26:56pm
4 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 1:26:58pm

Is the ‘might disappear’ comment to be taken as an awkward sarcasm? Otherwise it’s disturbing that he sets the pace for a credible polling organization.

5 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 1:28:01pm

re: #1 aagcobb

Because how dare he reveal that there is a U-6 unemployment rate that the BLS updates every month on its website for anyone to click on and look at?

Don’t most people know that government unemployment stats usually don’t show people who’ve given up searching for jobs? Why is this even news at all? This didn’t start with Obama.

6 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 8, 2015 1:28:11pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

Is the ‘might disappear’ comment to be taken as an awkward sarcasm? Otherwise it’s disturbing that he sets the pace for a credible polling organization.

Take a look at the clip.

7 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 1:29:01pm

re: #6 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Take a look at the clip.

Did. There’s a good bit of “just between us” about it.

8 Justanotherhuman  Feb 8, 2015 1:29:08pm

Either the RW is distorting or they’re lying. Sometimes at the same time.

9 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 8, 2015 1:31:37pm

OT, but I missed most of the great guitar discussion two threads downstairs, and just wanted to thank all those who participated. I was looking for a photo of my Tele, but apparently I don’t have one. I’ll have to rectify that at some point, obviously. Thanks for the videos, as well. I’m watching them (esp. as I’m a HUGE Richard Thompson fan).

Here’s maybe some payback:
…
(I highly recommend this app, btw)

10 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 1:32:04pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Don’t most people know that government unemployment stats usually don’t show people who’ve given up searching for jobs? Why is this even news at all? This didn’t start with Obama.

HRRR…HRRR…CAUSE UNDER OBUMMER PEOPLEZ DONT LOOK FOR JERBS CAUSE FREE STUFF!!11!

11 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 8, 2015 1:32:29pm

Q. How do you know Jim Hoft is lying?
A. He’s forming words in any medium available.

12 missliberties  Feb 8, 2015 1:33:35pm

You would think that Jim Clifton would not be happy about this due to the fact that a CREDIBLE pollster needs to be objective !!! Hopefully this will come to bite Hoft in the ass.

These people (cultists) are so off the wall we can hope that at some point their shrieking will betray their morally bankrupt intentions.

Say What? “Mitt Romney didn’t win?” asked Jim Clifton.

13 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 8, 2015 1:35:51pm

How many of these contrarian assholes have actually disappeared after spreading Grifter Party propaganda?

14 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 1:36:14pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel

How many of these contrarian assholes have actually disappeared after spreading Grifter Party propaganda?

Far too few.

15 Justanotherhuman  Feb 8, 2015 1:37:35pm

RIP Coach Smith—you were a wonderful human being.

In statement praising life and career of former UNC coach Dean Smith, President Obama says Smith ‘reared a generation of players who went on to even better things elsewhere, including a young man named Michael Jordan — and all of us from Chicago are thankful for that’
end of alert

16 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 8, 2015 1:41:36pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Far too few.

Jimmy Hoffa was a Democrat iirc. (Like many areas of political endeavor, rank corruption had a more bi-partisan cast to it in those days.)

17 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 1:42:09pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

They are simply looking for a way to deny that Obama’s policies have reduced unemployment. Their ideology has become dogma, so anything that demonstrates that their ideology isn’t true must be a lie.

Since most of the audience for SMOTI aren’t aware enough to realize that all the stats have been done the same way (or don’t care), this just gives them more justification to hate Obama. We all know that if a Republican president reduced unemployment then the long-term unemployed would never be mentioned.

Because you know Jim’s all about that base,
‘Bout that base, not truthful.
He’s all ‘bout that base, ‘bout that base, not truthful….

Apologies to Megan Trainor!

18 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 1:42:48pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Did. There’s a good bit of “just between us” about it.

It was a dumb thing to say, but he obviously doesn’t seriously believe he’s going to be kidnapped and disappeared.

19 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 1:43:06pm

re: #12 missliberties

You would think that Jim Clifton would not be happy about this due to the fact that a CREDIBLE pollster needs to be objective !!! Hopefully this will come to bite Hoft in the ass.

These people (cultists) are so off the wall we can hope that at some point their shrieking will betray their morally bankrupt intentions.

Say What? “Mitt Romney didn’t win?” asked Jim Clifton.

Gallup has been indistinguishable from Rasmussen since 2008. Objectivity is not one of their goals. Their new business model is whoring themselves out to the wingnuts so they can say: “Even the liberal Gallup….”

20 Mattand  Feb 8, 2015 1:43:38pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Don’t most people know that government unemployment stats usually don’t show people who’ve given up searching for jobs? Why is this even news at all? This didn’t start with Obama.

A buddy of mine was carping about this stuff at me a few years back, when he was frustrated by being out of work and looking for someone to blame. I was trying to be diplomatic, but I pointed out how “weird” it was that nobody ever brought up these numbers when W was in charge, and the economy was cratering.

I’m still not sure if this U6 stuff is important or not, other than its utility for the oppositon to bash the President.

21 Justanotherhuman  Feb 8, 2015 1:46:40pm

What makes sense to me is that, at least around here, whenever the word is advertised that a company is hiring, those jobs go pretty quickly.

People want to work—some will do whatever it takes, as we see in the rise of those studying new skills and those taking jobs with shit wages.

22 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 8, 2015 1:47:35pm

Also, OT - I wish Charles would chime in on the guitar discussion at some point. I’m sure he’s done so before, but that was before I was around.

23 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 8, 2015 1:50:23pm

I’ve actually considered writng a novella in which a crazed money-grubber, superstar conspiracy theorist is abducted, held for two weeks under bizarre conditions, then released stark naked on a remote road 300 miles from where he disappeared. The abductors leave no marks and keep him in good physical condition, as though he had actually spent the time at a remote resort somewhere.
He tells the story, as it truly happened, and is met with raucous screams of “fake”, and a mighty roar of skepticism, disbelief, and ridicule even from his followers. The characterization would follow his emotional state and gradual self recognition as he searches for proof of his claims.

24 BeachDem  Feb 8, 2015 1:51:27pm

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

RIP Coach Smith—you were a wonderful human being.

In statement praising life and career of former UNC coach Dean Smith, President Obama says Smith ‘reared a generation of players who went on to even better things elsewhere, including a young man named Michael Jordan — and all of us from Chicago are thankful for that’
end of alert

Was with a friend who was a huge Smith fan when the news came out. She was in tears—told me a lot of great stories I hadn’t heard before about how Smith really stood up for his black players and for equality. Told me an anecdote about him going into a lily-white restaurant in Chapel Hill and just staring down anyone who questioned why he had his guys with him.

Also told me about a game Smith went to, after he had developed Alzheimer’s, when Jordan went up to him and planted a kiss on his cheek. We need more like him, especially today.

25 Justanotherhuman  Feb 8, 2015 1:51:31pm

Obviously, the RW refuses to acknowledge the efforts of people like James Robertson who walked 21 miles to and from his job that paid just over $10/hr for the 10 yrs he was without a car and his wages weren’t enough to purchase another one.

Enjoy your new Ford Taurus, Mr. Robertson! You deserve it. : )

26 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 1:58:45pm

re: #16 Shiplord Kirel

Jimmy Hoffa was a Democrat iirc. (Like many areas of political endeavor, rank corruption had a more bi-partisan cast to it in those days.)

Hoffa was investigated by RFK and pardoned by Nixon, who he in turn supported. The Teamsters under much of his presidency were kept out of the AFofL/CIO. The bastards broke our picket line at the Great GE Strike.

(Did I mention my wife was a teamster?)

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 8, 2015 2:00:02pm

(repeating comment from down thread about the Gallup CEO comments - I first saw them due to a link LinkedIn put as an initial headline link in an email they sent out.

That article annoyed me for three reasons:
1. He treated the U3 and U6 as the same thing without making a distinction. And these are not new metrics.

2. He made the whole thing “The White House” chortling about reduced unemployment - while ignoring that it had been an improvement in the metric over the past few years. (Thus implying that the White House is essentially just lying.)

3. He defines “a good job” as >30 hours a weak with a regular paycheck. Well - there are a pile of industries out there (Looking at you Walmart) that specifically avoid delivering a “good job” while pointing these same desperate employees to public assistance in order to make ends meet. (Essentially passing on their obligation to fairly pay their employees on to the government and others.)

It was a dishonest article. And that LinkedIn spawned it out as a headline link on an email is them essentially propagandizing to their members with a bunch of bullshit painted up to be anti-government (well anti Obama government at least.)

28 Justanotherhuman  Feb 8, 2015 2:03:05pm

Must get busy.

Later, Lizards!

29 aagcobb  Feb 8, 2015 2:06:28pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Don’t most people know that government unemployment stats usually don’t show people who’ve given up searching for jobs? Why is this even news at all? This didn’t start with Obama.

Because they need a new Obama conspiracy to distract from the improving economy and his rising approval ratings.

30 aagcobb  Feb 8, 2015 2:10:41pm

re: #20 Mattand

A buddy of mine was carping about this stuff at me a few years back, when he was frustrated by being out of work and looking for someone to blame. I was trying to be diplomatic, but I pointed out how “weird” it was that nobody ever brought up these numbers when W was in charge, and the economy was cratering.

I’m still not sure if this U6 stuff is important or not, other than its utility for the oppositon to bash the President.

It is useful, because there have been a lot of people working part-time who want full-time work or who haven’t looked lately because they can’t find a job but they still want to work.

31 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 8, 2015 2:11:05pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Don’t most people know that government unemployment stats usually don’t show people who’ve given up searching for jobs? Why is this even news at all? This didn’t start with Obama.

Jeez, don’t ever go to ZeroHedge or one of those places. They eat that U6 shit up.

32 Swift2991  Feb 8, 2015 2:13:16pm

Same methodology under Bush. Longterm unemployed aren’t counted. Or should they be when a Democrat is president, but not a Republican?

33 Swift2991  Feb 8, 2015 2:15:31pm

We finally know why Gallup has gone from the most eminent, revered polling company to a completely off-the-charts crazy one in 2012.

34 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 2:18:04pm

So here is what I’ve been doing for the last 2 days:

The end results being:

35 stpaulbear  Feb 8, 2015 2:18:43pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

It was a dumb thing to say, but he obviously doesn’t seriously believe he’s going to be kidnapped and disappeared.

Will the wingnuts call for him to leave his job if he isn’t kidnapped in the next couple weeks? LIAR!!

36 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 8, 2015 2:23:31pm

re: #34 Kragar

Just out of curiosity, what is this for?

Also, wouldn’t want to face that army!

37 blueraven  Feb 8, 2015 2:25:55pm

re: #33 Swift2991

We finally know why Gallup has gone from the most eminent, revered polling company to a completely off-the-charts crazy one in 2012.

I participate in Economist/YouGov online polls.
Today’s poll had many questions about The Crusades. Followed by questions like; How often does Obama attend church?

Seriously.

38 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 2:30:35pm

re: #36 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Just out of curiosity, what is this for?

Also, wouldn’t want to face that army!

Warhammer 40k. I’ve been putting together my Space Marine army unit by unit for the last couple years. I’ve got a bunch of auxiliary units, but the standard deployment is based around the Battle Company which I’ve been working on.

The saying in the game world: “Send a Marine to take a town, a Squad to take a city, a Company to take a world.”

39 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 8, 2015 2:32:20pm

re: #38 Kragar

Warhammer 40k. I’ve been putting together my Space Marine army unit by unit for the last couple years. I’ve got a bunch of auxiliary units, but the standard deployment is based around the Battle Company which I’ve been working on.

The saying in the game world: “Send a Marine to take a town, a Squad to take a city, a Company to take a world.”

Very impressive!

40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 2:32:22pm

Well, Falcon 9 launch coming up in <40 minutes. I hope they can pull off the barge landing this time.

I’m of a generation where a spaceship isn’t the real thing unless it’s a giant V-2 that takes off and lands vertically on its jets, so this would be a big step….

41 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 2:41:46pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

It’s all fun with statistics.

The same people complaining about U6 rate now ignored it when the rate was spiking with Bush from 2007 onwards. Rather, they’d focus on the U3 rate that was still lower.

Traditionally, the U6 rate runs about 3 points higher than the U3. It got to be much higher after the fiscal collapse, and it’s still running slightly higher than pre collapse, but it’s returning to the baseline.

The President can’t do much to address those.

Gas prices are a similar story. They’d complain about the high gas prices as being the President’s fault, but now that gas prices are down, and the President decides to take credit for the gas prices, they turn around and say that he’s got nothing to do with the prices.

It’s cognitive dissonance, Obama Derangement Syndome, and right wing hate turned to 11ty.

42 nines09  Feb 8, 2015 2:59:00pm

I guess Upchuck was cutting into his grift.

43 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 3:02:47pm

I was unemployed for 6 of 8 years of Bush administration.

After Y2K, corporations couldn’t shove IT jobs to China & India fast enough. The only available jobs were short-term temp contract assignments. Even before Y2K, half the employees at the facilities where I worked were H1B “guest workers” brought over because of a “shortage of skilled American tech workers.”

Yeah right, a shortage of American workers willing to work for the shit pay the H1B’s got.

Job listings were specifically tailored to the H1B’s resume that they wanted to import. There would like 16 skills listed, and if you had 15 of those skills but one “oh sorry you’re not qualified.”

Then came the GM bailout and JOBS FOR AMERICAN WORKERS.

Although I have to admit, jobs for white, male American workers. Where I currently work, 90% of the employees are white, and male.

44 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 3:15:28pm
45 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 3:17:06pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s still got to come clean about his subpoena in MS. What did he do, when did he do it, and did he poop the floor.

46 jaunte  Feb 8, 2015 3:22:51pm

Jim Clifton wants to blame Obama for a less-than-full-time employment strategy adopted to boost corporate profits (that will likely get worse under a GOP admin).

47 ObserverArt  Feb 8, 2015 3:25:04pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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re: #45 lawhawk

Chuck’s still got to come clean about his subpoena in MS. What did he do, when did he do it, and did he poop the floor.

I’m hoping that Chuck gets the same treatment he is giving.

I hope NBC is looking into this clown and doing a little digging themselves. They will not stand for this, so it would not surprise me that he even gets a little media story time of his own.

Maybe we see something about him on MSNBC and they turn Chuck and his ways into a story where some not so nice things about Chucky come to light. He is up against some pretty large resources with a lot of outlets.

48 missliberties  Feb 8, 2015 3:30:35pm

Maybe Jim Hoft and Jim Clifton have money stashed in Swiss Banks. They are trying to distract with this jeuvilnille garbage about disappearing pollsters and Obama’s horrid tyranny.

All their riches stashed overseas.

publicintegrity.org

HSBC’s clients linked to dictators, arms dealers and tax dodgers.

49 allegro  Feb 8, 2015 3:33:01pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

I’m hoping that Chuck gets the same treatment he is giving.

I hope NBC is looking into this clown and doing a little digging themselves. They will not stand for this, so it would not surprise me that he even gets a little media story time of his own.

Maybe we see something about him on MSNBC and they turn Chuck and his ways into a story where some not so nice things about Chucky come to light. He is up against some pretty large resources with a lot of outlets.

Maybe I’m wrong, but somehow I doubt the pip squeak is even on the NBC radar as anything more than a speck of dust on an already dirty screen.

50 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 3:36:26pm

re: #48 missliberties

Maybe Jim Hoft and Jim Clifton have money stashed in Swiss Banks. They are trying to distract with this jeuvilnille garbage about disappearing pollsters and Obama’s horrid tyranny.

All their riches stashed overseas.

publicintegrity.org

HSBC’s clients linked to dictators, arms dealers and tax dodgers.

Suspect JH keeps his money with Credit Mayonnaise, jars buried in the back yard.

51 Romantic Heretic  Feb 8, 2015 3:38:33pm

re: #34 Kragar

Ultramarines I believe. Can’t say I’m an expert on Imperial regalia.

I do know I’m glad I live now and not then.

52 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 8, 2015 3:40:23pm

re: #51 Romantic Heretic

Ultramarines I believe. Can’t say I’m an expert on Imperial regalia.

I do know I’m glad I live now and not then.

Shouldn’t ultramarines be, well, ultramarine? :)

53 Romantic Heretic  Feb 8, 2015 3:41:17pm

re: #39 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Very impressive!

You can learn all you need to know about the background here. A very grim dark future. There are no, repeat no, good guys.

ETA: Oops. Forgot to link.

54 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 8, 2015 3:45:03pm

re: #53 Romantic Heretic

You can learn all you need to know about the background here. A very grim dark future. There are no, repeat no, good guys.

What’s the point then?

55 ObserverArt  Feb 8, 2015 3:45:44pm

re: #49 allegro

Maybe I’m wrong, but somehow I doubt the pip squeak is even on the NBC radar as anything more than a speck of dust on an already dirty screen.

I think you are right. I was basing my hope on the fact that now he wants Lester Holt. He’ll be going after Matt Laurer next probably and then on down the line. If we are right about him, he’d probably love to expose BS on Rachel Maddow. If he keeps taking on their people they are going to know who he is.

Now if he takes down Chuck Todd… ///

56 HappyWarrior  Feb 8, 2015 3:54:33pm

Hoft sure loves feeding wingnuts their daily dosage of victimhood doesn’t he.

57 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 8, 2015 4:01:07pm

I wish Hoft would disappear. And take the ginger ewok with him.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 4:02:10pm

re: #9 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Unfortunately, the company that made that app only did so for IOS and is out of business. I have found some good chord apps and will probably get the lesson book from justinguitar.com though.

Cool track though.

Here’s one sung by my guitar hero…

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59 Dark_Falcon  Feb 8, 2015 4:05:35pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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Lester Holt got his start with Chicago’s CBS affiliate, and I’ve followed his career off-and-on for about 20 years. I’ve never seen Holt do anything dishonest in all those years. UpChuck is lying his ass off. Again.

60 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 4:06:03pm

One thing I have to laugh about with the wingnuts - they don’t laugh at anyone else’s jokes, only their own; and nobody else laughs at their jokes, except for them. I think it should be readily apparent which of the two groups doesn’t have a proper sense of humor.

Evening Lizardim.

61 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 4:09:45pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Lester Holt got his start with Chicago’s CBS affiliate, and I’ve followed his career off-and-on for about 20 years. I’ve never seen Holt do anything dishonest in all those years. UpChuck is lying his ass off. Again.

The thing of it is, in the course of a career that long, it’s impossible to guarantee you haven’t been fed some bad data. That doesn’t mean that Holt was lying about anything - only that there might be something he reported on that was incorrect and unretracted that UpChuck would claim as a victory. I remember Holt from my growing-up years in the southeast suburbs, and he always struck me as a fairly straightforward and down-to-earth news anchor.

62 Dark_Falcon  Feb 8, 2015 4:10:08pm

re: #58 William Barnett-Lewis

Unfortunately, the company that made that app only did so for IOS and is out of business. I have found some good chord apps and will probably get the lesson book from justinguitar.com though.

Cool track though.

Here’s one sung by my guitar hero…

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Video

That song, always a favorite of mine. And it was interesting to hear it sung by a man with a very different voice than Bob Marley.

63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 8, 2015 4:10:45pm

re: #60 thedopefishlives

One thing I have to laugh about with the wingnuts - they don’t laugh at anyone else’s jokes, only their own; and nobody else laughs at their jokes, except for them. I think it should be readily apparent which of the two groups doesn’t have a proper sense of humor.

Evening Lizardim.

A lot of humor is about the poor and downtrodden laughing about the priveleged. Most wingnut humor is about laughing at the disadvantaged.

64 Dark_Falcon  Feb 8, 2015 4:11:01pm

re: #61 thedopefishlives

The thing of it is, in the course of a career that long, it’s impossible to guarantee you haven’t been fed some bad data. That doesn’t mean that Holt was lying about anything - only that there might be something he reported on that was incorrect and unretracted that UpChuck would claim as a victory. I remember Holt from my growing-up years in the southeast suburbs, and he always struck me as a fairly straightforward and down-to-earth news anchor.

UpChuck can claim whatever he wants as a victory; He’ll still be full of shit.

65 piratedan  Feb 8, 2015 4:11:40pm

sure he might disappear…. shame at being exposed as a RW Shill in the community that is supposed to be about impartiality will cause that reaction…..

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 4:13:19pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

That song, always a favorite of mine. And it was interesting to hear it sung by a man with a very different voice than Bob Marley.

Both good men. Just ignore alien orders, eh?

67 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 4:14:30pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

UpChuck can claim whatever he wants as a victory; He’ll still be full of shit.

Careful there, bro. He’ll threaten to sue you for libel.

68 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 4:16:17pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Lester Holt got his start with Chicago’s CBS affiliate, and I’ve followed his career off-and-on for about 20 years. I’ve never seen Holt do anything dishonest in all those years. UpChuck is lying his ass off. Again.

There’s something surreal about seeing one of your local guys on national TV, isn’t there? On 9/11, as soon as I heard about it, I turned on CNN. Every once in a while, I would look up and say: “Aaron Brown? How did I get on channel 5?” and switch around the dial till: “Hmm…that is CNN. Weird!”

I went through this process several times. (I was a little disoriented.)

69 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 4:17:47pm

Heh. Here’s a little bit that’s almost on topic…

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70 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 4:18:05pm

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

Both good men. Just ignore alien orders, eh?

Italian band inspired by The Clash:

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71 Dark_Falcon  Feb 8, 2015 4:22:40pm

re: #67 thedopefishlives

Careful there, bro. He’ll threaten to sue you for libel.

He only does that if you post stuff like that on Twitter. Saying it on LGF doesn’t get noticed by the Ginger Ewok AT-ST blaster cannon fodder .

72 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 4:23:00pm

re: #51 Romantic Heretic

Ultramarines I believe. Can’t say I’m an expert on Imperial regalia.

I do know I’m glad I live now and not then.

Nope, Ultramarines are blue livery. I call them “The Pyrolisks”, a Salamander successor Chapter. Lots of flamer and melta weapons.

73 Romantic Heretic  Feb 8, 2015 4:23:24pm

re: #54 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What’s the point then?

I’ve often wondered that myself.

74 Romantic Heretic  Feb 8, 2015 4:24:50pm

re: #72 Kragar

Nope, Ultramarines are blue livery. I call them “The Pyrolisks”, a Salamander successor Chapter. Lots of flamer and melta weapons.

Very cool.

75 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 4:25:32pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

He only does that if you post stuff like that on Twitter. Saying it on LGF doesn’t get noticed by the Ginger Ewok AT-ST blaster cannon fodder .

Besides, I just reached the bottom of my bucket of fucks.

76 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 4:32:01pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

He only does that if you post stuff like that on Twitter. Saying it on LGF doesn’t get noticed by the Ginger Ewok AT-ST blaster cannon fodder .

Oh yes, it does… he definitely pays attention to LGF. I’ve seen him react to things posted here right after they go up.

77 BeenHereAwhile  Feb 8, 2015 4:32:02pm

re: #40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, Falcon 9 launch coming up in <40 minutes. I hope they can pull off the barge landing this time.

I’m of a generation where a spaceship isn’t the real thing unless it’s a giant V-2 that takes off and lands vertically on its jets, so this would be a big step….

Shades of G. Harry Stine, and his writing about the 1990s experiments with the Delta Clipper rocket in Analog Science Fiction & Fact.

IIRC, the Delta Clipper rocket upon landing vertically upright (like in the SF movies) damaged one of the landing legs and fell on its side.

Gotta pull out my back issues of AnalogSF & see how good my memory is.

78 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 4:32:11pm

Oh hai Chuck!

79 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 4:32:50pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, it does… he definitely pays attention to LGF. I’ve seen him react to things posted here right after they go up.

Yeah, I was going to say, that didn’t really sound like someone who is fanatically obsessed with his self-image.

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 4:36:44pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Italian band inspired by The Clash:

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Video

Nice!

Here’s one for the “just when you think you’ve heard everything” category tonight…

…

81 jaunte  Feb 8, 2015 4:36:52pm

Give me magic!

82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 4:39:01pm

re: #81 jaunte

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Give me magic!

Dear Fuck! That is some stupefying idiocy right there.

83 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 4:39:53pm

re: #81 jaunte

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Give me magic!

Ted Nugent!

Oh wait that’s a human transforming to an ape.

84 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 4:41:01pm
85 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 4:43:49pm

MOAR DIM JIM DERP:

86 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 4:44:06pm

re: #81 jaunte

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Give me magic!

Let me guess, a young earther who wouldn’t accept the idea of the 4 million years that separate Homo sapiens from Australopithecus afarensis in the first place because he’s too busy putting human limitations on God?

87 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 4:44:46pm

Who the fuck is “Sooper Mexican”? I mean other than a racist wingnut asshole.

88 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 4:52:31pm

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Who the fuck is “Sooper Mexican”? I mean other than a racist wingnut asshole.

Apparently, from the silence, it appears he has no other identity.

89 BeenHereAwhile  Feb 8, 2015 4:54:00pm

OT:

Tonight - first sighting of the first litter of bunnies this year.

Going to have to make sure the bunnies are not inside the dog yard, before letting the dog loose inside.

We’ve had a real temperate winter in Nashville for the most part, so far.

90 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 4:57:11pm

#tcot wingnuts are all OUTRAGED that Obama mentioned the Crusades, while trumpeting for MOAR CRUSADES

91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 4:57:31pm

re: #89 BeenHereAwhile

OT:

Tonight - first sighting of the first litter of bunnies this year.

Going to have to make sure the bunnies are not inside the dog yard, before letting the dog loose inside.

We’ve had a real temperate winter in Nashville for the most part, so far.

I’ve never seen a rabbit in the wild here (Western Washington). But about 20 years ago we started getting your damn ‘possums. Thanks muchly!

92 Romantic Heretic  Feb 8, 2015 4:59:01pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson
Statistics are almost always misused on behalf of the state to advance the interests of the powerful. #GlobalWarming

I’m too smart for something as puerile as mathematics!

93 jaunte  Feb 8, 2015 5:02:08pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

“The Big George padded folding lightweight armchair is a high quality & distinctive addition to the Crusader furniture range “

94 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 8, 2015 5:02:19pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I have a feeling he is personally in a comfortable alliance with the Republican establishment, but will resent being used as a mere tool for their exploitation. Hence he will walk back his joke.

….And then the conspiracy nutcase theories begin.

95 b_sharp  Feb 8, 2015 5:02:56pm

re: #93 jaunte

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“The Big George padded folding lightweight armchair is a high quality & distinctive addition to the Crusader furniture range “

And it has a cup holder.

96 jaunte  Feb 8, 2015 5:03:27pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Crusading is thirsty work.

97 b_sharp  Feb 8, 2015 5:04:26pm

re: #96 jaunte

Crusading is thirsty work.

Just wish it had built in popcorn storage.

98 ObserverArt  Feb 8, 2015 5:07:25pm

re: #77 BeenHereAwhile

Shades of G. Harry Stine, and his writing about the 1990s experiments with the Delta Clipper rocket in Analog Science Fiction & Fact.

IIRC, the Delta Clipper rocket upon landing vertically upright (like in the SF movies) damaged one of the landing legs and fell on its side.

Gotta pull out my back issues of AnalogSF & see how good my memory is.

Dang, good old G. Harry Stine. I didn’t think I’d see his name here. The father of model rocketry. That name takes me way back. Wow.

I had met him and his daughters in Houston at the Manned Space Center back in 1970. We were all there for the National Rocket Association Nationals finals. His one daughter, Connie, is now the significant other to the guy that got me into model rocketry. The other was Ellie, who was my age at the time…16. And real cute, too.

The guy I knew retired from Boeing not too long ago. He and Connie met back up after long lives, other relationships and careers at the ripe ages of around 60! When I heard that I thought it was way cool. From teenagers that wrote each other at 18 to a real couple at 60.

I just went to the Wiki page and they had a photo up of Stein at that very National Rocket Contest. Damn…I can feel the 104° heat at that event, and I remember that very field in the photo. And him, just like depicted.

Wiki - G. Harry Stein

Thanks for the mention. It triggered a nice memory.

99 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 5:07:30pm

re: #96 jaunte

Crusading is thirsty work.

Ask Brian Williams. He was at the Horns of Hattin.

100 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:13:55pm
101 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 5:15:40pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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Let’s see, he’s anti-abortion, anti-science, anti-Obama, anti-civil-rights, anti-equality… Who does that sound like?

102 gwangung  Feb 8, 2015 5:16:09pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Yeah. Pay attention to what they do, not what they say.

(Yes, I know that takes some brainpower, which is why a lot of wing nuts don’t do it, but….)

103 b_sharp  Feb 8, 2015 5:17:19pm

Somebody grab the end of this string attached to my tooth and give it a yank.

104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 5:19:35pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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The “line” may be breaking up. I’m in hopes that if the Republican apparat bypasses all the various teabagger nutjobs in favor of some “safe” establishment candidate again this time, that the PUMAs (Party Unity, My Ass!) will be on the republican side this time around.

I suspect Chuckles will be a PUMA.

105 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:20:12pm

I always have to laugh a bit when people tweet things to me like, “They’re doing the same thing to Brian Williams they did to Dan Rather!”

Uh.

106 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:21:56pm

Hate the Grammys. Always have. The crappiest music gets rewarded every year with very few exceptions.

107 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 5:21:56pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I always have to laugh a bit when people tweet things to me like, “They’re doing the same thing to Brian Williams they did to Dan Rather!”

Uh.

I was wondering when someone would bring that up.

108 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 5:23:36pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Hate the Grammys. Always have. The crappiest music gets rewarded every year with very few exceptions.

Best Metal Performance
Tenacious D - “The Last In Line”

As much as I love Tenacious D, this is just ridiculous

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 5:25:54pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Hate the Grammys. Always have. The crappiest music gets rewarded every year with very few exceptions.

I usually look up what nominee had the highest sales. That’s usually a good predictor of who will win. Bletch.

Best music I’ve found in the past year?

Asking the metal heads here & paying attention to a series of music tweets by a web comic who plays on the side.

Not from the music industry.

110 ObserverArt  Feb 8, 2015 5:26:31pm

What’s a Grammy?

///

111 b.d.  Feb 8, 2015 5:26:36pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I always have to laugh a bit when people tweet things to me like, “They’re doing the same thing to Brian Williams they did to Dan Rather!”

Uh.

The only resemblance I can see is that nobody seems to like or stick up for either one of them.

The invisible and silent army of Brian Williams’ allies/supporters swarming to the mikes is impressive.

//

112 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:26:54pm
113 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 5:27:33pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Hate the Grammys. Always have. The crappiest music gets rewarded every year with very few exceptions.

Hate watch it. /

I can’t take them seriously after giving Hard Rock/Heavy Metal to Jethro Tull over Metallica. And then last year they ran commercials over the closing act. The whole thing is supposed to be a music commercial to sell albums, and they ran commercials.

There isn’t much reason to like the fact that they’re always about a decade or two behind on what people are listening to.

I actually find more at fault with the Rock and Roll HoF than the Grammys - considering that many of the acts aren’t actually rock and roll (r&b, blues, rap, etc.) and it’d be more appropriate to call it a music HoF instead.

114 b.d.  Feb 8, 2015 5:28:53pm

Ignore the Grammys, Walking Dead is on in less than an hour I’m refreshing my memory on repeats now.

115 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 5:29:16pm

Barring intervention by the Yankee Supreme Court, gay marriages will happen tomorrow in Alabama.

al.com

Shit will be lost.

116 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:29:42pm
117 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 5:31:32pm

Actually this is a pretty good ad selling a USA-made, Detroit-made, Union-made product while making fun of douchebag assholes==>

118 ObserverArt  Feb 8, 2015 5:31:37pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Mmmmpff…. nnggg,,,,

Oh great. Now you are posting porn!?!?!

///

119 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:31:42pm
120 b_sharp  Feb 8, 2015 5:33:38pm

re: #110 ObserverArt

What’s a Grammy?

///

Short form of grandmother.

121 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 5:34:33pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

Actually this is a pretty good ad selling a USA-made, Detroit-made, Union-made product while making fun of douchebag assholes==>

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They keep saying they know what makes liberals crazy or angry and then fail to post any real evidence to the effect.

122 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:35:42pm

Award show Twitter is the worst Twitter.

123 thedopefishlives  Feb 8, 2015 5:37:04pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Award show Twitter is the worst Twitter.

I dunno. I think wingnut Twitter is the worst Twitter. But the award show stuff probably has an odious quality all its own.

124 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 8, 2015 5:37:04pm

I haven’t driven any of the current generation Caddys but I rented a Northstar Caddy in 1998 and that car rocked.

125 b.d.  Feb 8, 2015 5:37:26pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

Actually this is a pretty good ad selling a USA-made, Detroit-made, Union-made product while making fun of douchebag assholes==>

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An electric car to boot. Not seeing any liberal outrage either except for that is how all wingnuts imagine themselves as.

126 b_sharp  Feb 8, 2015 5:37:35pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Award show Twitter is the worst Twitter.

Definitely the most boring.

127 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 5:38:10pm

re: #124 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I haven’t driven any of the current generation Caddys but I rented a Northstar Caddy in 1998 and that car rocked.

Sure, but how did it run?

128 b.d.  Feb 8, 2015 5:38:14pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Award show Twitter is the worst Twitter.

Worse than Bieber vs. 1 Direction Twitter?

129 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:38:42pm
130 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 5:39:28pm

re: #114 b.d.

Ignore the Grammys, Walking Dead is on in less than an hour I’m refreshing my memory on repeats now.

Me too. I’ve got to wait till west coast though. :(

131 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 5:39:30pm
132 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 5:42:08pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Award show Twitter is the worst Twitter.

I don’t mind the snark on the outfits and plastic surgery.

133 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 5:46:38pm

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

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I knew it was a great night to be listening to Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros rather than watching any TV.

134 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 8, 2015 5:47:43pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

#tcot wingnuts are all OUTRAGED that Obama mentioned the Crusades, while trumpeting for MOAR CRUSADES

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I for one would be deliriously happy to see the fundies and the gunfuckers go the the ME en masse with the aim of recapturing the Holy Lands. America’s collective IQ would go up at least five points the minute that they did.

135 gwangung  Feb 8, 2015 5:47:44pm

re: #132 #FergusonFireside

I don’t mind the snark on the outfits and plastic surgery.

Snark ALWAYS is called for re: Awards shows.

136 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 5:48:39pm

Things already seen at the Grammy’s tonight.

AC/DC using a teleprompter on their own songs.

Auto-tune. Everywhere.

You sign a song that has potential to showcase your voice (if you’ve got one), and you auto-tune the crap out of it? Really? Who actually thinks that sounds good with all that reverb and digitizing of Kanye’s voice?

Meh.

But awesome? Warning the audience to put the AC/DC devil horns away because it might send the wrong signal. Heh.

137 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 5:51:31pm

re: #136 lawhawk

Things already seen at the Grammy’s tonight.

AC/DC using a teleprompter on their own songs.

Auto-tune. Everywhere.

You sign a song that has potential to showcase your voice (if you’ve got one), and you auto-tune the crap out of it? Really? Who actually thinks that sounds good with all that reverb and digitizing of Kanye’s voice?

Meh.

But awesome? Warning the audience to put the AC/DC devil horns away because it might send the wrong signal. Heh.

I keep hearing that Kanye is some kind of musical genius.

I have found no evidence that supports that statement.

138 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:52:15pm
139 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 5:53:07pm

re: #132 #FergusonFireside

I don’t mind the snark on the outfits and plastic surgery.

e.g.

140 ObserverArt  Feb 8, 2015 5:53:22pm

re: #137 Kragar

I keep hearing that Kanye is some kind of musical genius.

I have found no evidence that supports that statement.

Just ask Kanye. He’ll tell you how much a genius he is.

/

141 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 5:53:30pm
142 PhillyPretzel  Feb 8, 2015 5:54:46pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Also do not forget:
PBS Downton Abbey starts at 9:00PM EST. Check your local PBS listings.

143 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 5:56:15pm

You auto-tuners get off my lawn!

144 b_sharp  Feb 8, 2015 6:00:08pm

re: #137 Kragar

I keep hearing that Kanye is some kind of musical genius.

I have found no evidence that supports that statement.

Kanye who?

145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 6:00:48pm

re: #143 A Cranky One

You auto-tuners get off my lawn!

I’ve tuned a lot of autos on the lawn in my day….

146 stpaulbear  Feb 8, 2015 6:01:17pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’d be willing to expand that condemnation to Pro-Tools in general. Nothing has to be a real performance anymore.

147 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 6:03:29pm

Get off my lawn instance: I do not know new music. Can’t stay on a commercial radio station long enough to listen.

I think its all crap.

Well, Pharell’s Happy was good. But otherwise? I just don’t know of anything.

Yeah, I’m an Old.

148 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 6:04:11pm

re: #134 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I for one would be deliriously happy to see the fundies and the gunfuckers go the the ME en masse with the aim of recapturing the Holy Lands. America’s collective IQ would go up at least five points the minute that they did.

But Israel’s IQ would plummet by the same factor.

149 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 6:04:42pm

There was a profile of Rufus Reid in the paper today. Wasn’t familiar with his music, but he’s up for a Grammy tonight. He lives a few towns over and frequents one of our favorite ice cream parlors (Bischoff’s in Teaneck).

We’ve probably seen him but never realized who he was.

150 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:04:52pm
151 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 6:06:19pm

re: #145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve tuned a lot of autos on the lawn in my day….

Upding for making me LOL.

152 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 6:07:16pm

Madonna’s looking damn good for a 57-year-old.

153 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:08:05pm

re: #143 A Cranky One

You auto-tuners get off my lawn!

I know, right? I guess I’m old now. I don’t like technology that tricks people into thinking record company stars can actually sing.

154 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 6:09:12pm

re: #152 The Vicious Babushka

Between Madonna’s dancing and Angus Young’s prancing, I was hoping both wouldn’t need a stretcher for a hip injury after their acts.

155 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:12:25pm
156 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:15:05pm

re: #154 lawhawk

Between Madonna’s dancing and Angus Young’s prancing, I was hoping both wouldn’t need a stretcher for a hip injury after their acts.

Medics are standing by backstage with oxygen tanks.

157 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 6:17:39pm

Teenage daughter of a NJ State Trooper wont be charged with making terrorist threats after posting tweets that she’d bomb the Jews (while wearing a mashup getup of Nazi and State Trooper gear).

While the teen’s anti-Semitic posts are offensive, they do not constitute a credible threat, the Ocean County Prosecutor’s Office told the Asbury Park Press.

“There was never any danger being posed to the community,” spokesman Al Della Fave said. “It didn’t rise to anything criminal.”

In multiple posts, the girl donned a Hitler mustache and swastika. In one image, she gives the Nazi salute in what appears to be a State Police hat. The picture is captioned, “1944: crematorium crew.”

On the same Twitter account, the user uploaded a picture of young Orthodox Jewish families outside an Italian ice shop with the caption, “perfect bombing time.”

In another tweet, the user wrote, “I really wanna drive around Lakewood and run over every Jew with my car.”

She seems nice. And I have to wonder if her dad’s job as a State Trooper has anything to do with charges not being forthcoming.

158 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 6:18:13pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Medics are standing by backstage with oxygen tanks.

Tanks full of oxycodone.

159 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:19:12pm
160 Lidane  Feb 8, 2015 6:19:38pm

What could possibly go wrong?

161 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 6:22:06pm

re: #160 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

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Everything that went wrong the last time they tried this.

162 Khal Wimpo  Feb 8, 2015 6:22:07pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Medics are standing by backstage with oxygen tanks.

You can tell their tour bus, because it’s the one doing 40 in the fast lane, with the blinker on. And the belt to a coat dangling out of the door & dragging on the pavement…

163 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 6:22:38pm

re: #160 Lidane

Basic Question for Ted Cruz:

You say that ground troops should be considered.

Ground troops where exactly? Put your finger on the map and say where exactly you want them to go.

Iraq?
Syria?
Jordan?
Lebanon?
Turkey?

Because to call for ground troops against ISIL means considering staging ground forces in any/all of the above, and fighting a ground action in Iraq or Syria or Lebanon and possibly deal with spillover into Jordan.

164 Mattand  Feb 8, 2015 6:24:53pm

re: #157 lawhawk

Teenage daughter of a NJ State Trooper wont be charged with making terrorist threats after posting tweets that she’d bomb the Jews (while wearing a mashup getup of Nazi and State Trooper gear).

She seems nice. And I have to wonder if her dad’s job as a State Trooper has anything to do with charges not being forthcoming.

Apparently, our fine state police still haven’t gotten a grip on their Lords of Discipline problem after all these years.

And even better: they’re breeding a new generation of bigot. This state, sometimes…

165 jaunte  Feb 8, 2015 6:25:32pm

re: #163 lawhawk

Cruz doesn’t have to think about these questions, he’s just an agitator.

166 ObserverArt  Feb 8, 2015 6:30:54pm

re: #160 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

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What a poser. In that article he basically says nothing, does not commit to anything and blames it all on Obama. Typical Cruz follies.

167 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:34:52pm
168 jaunte  Feb 8, 2015 6:36:26pm

Dick Costolo: “We suck at dealing with insane conspiracy content.”

169 Dr. Matt  Feb 8, 2015 6:37:21pm
170 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 6:39:26pm

re: #168 jaunte

Dick Costolo: “We suck at dealing with insane conspiracy content.”

Fixed for the tl;dr crowd.

171 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 8, 2015 6:40:23pm

re: #163 lawhawk

Basic Question for Ted Cruz:

You say that ground troops should be considered.

Ground troops where exactly? Put your finger on the map and say where exactly you want them to go.

Iraq?
Syria?
Jordan?
Lebanon?
Turkey?

Because to call for ground troops against ISIL means considering staging ground forces in any/all of the above, and fighting a ground action in Iraq or Syria or Lebanon and possibly deal with spillover into Jordan.

It’s certain that he has no actual plans for these predictable eventualities. Just like he has no plan for forestalling the rise of the movement that will spring up to fill the vacuum left by Daesh.

172 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 6:45:28pm

re: #163 lawhawk

Basic Question for Ted Cruz:

You say that ground troops should be considered.

Ground troops where exactly? Put your finger on the map and say where exactly you want them to go.

Iraq?
Syria?
Jordan?
Lebanon?
Turkey?

Because to call for ground troops against ISIL means considering staging ground forces in any/all of the above, and fighting a ground action in Iraq or Syria or Lebanon and possibly deal with spillover into Jordan.

I’d be happy to contribute $1 to a gofundme to send all #tcot gun-fuckers on a Crusade.

173 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:46:53pm
174 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 6:47:07pm

And now the Infowarriors are saying that a nuke detonated in the Ukraine.

Are they sure it wasn’t just a rerun of 24?

175 Dark_Falcon  Feb 8, 2015 6:53:10pm

re: #144 b_sharp

Kanye who?

The rap guy who married Kim Kardashian and whom President Obama called a jackass when he upstaged Taylor Swift.

176 Dark_Falcon  Feb 8, 2015 6:55:20pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

And now the Infowarriors are saying that a nuke detonated in the Ukraine.

Are they sure it wasn’t just a rerun of 24?

They think Vladimir Putin is as dumb as they are. Because setting off a nuke in Ukraine would be Jim Hoft-level stupid.

177 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 6:56:31pm
178 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 8, 2015 6:57:56pm

This is so much Teh Stupids==>

179 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 8, 2015 6:58:31pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

“‘Tis but a flesh wound!”

180 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:00:37pm

This guy.

181 Iwouldprefernotto  Feb 8, 2015 7:01:43pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

This guy.

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is an idiot.

182 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:03:18pm
183 Dark_Falcon  Feb 8, 2015 7:04:18pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

This guy.

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That sounds like something Anders Brevik would say.

184 jaunte  Feb 8, 2015 7:04:25pm

When your narcissism just won’t stop.

185 Single-handed sailor  Feb 8, 2015 7:04:37pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

And now the Infowarriors are saying that a nuke detonated in the Ukraine.

Are they sure it wasn’t just a rerun of 24?

You’d think that would make the news.

186 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 7:06:53pm

re: #160 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

Ted Cruz: If Needed, ‘We Should’ Use Ground Troops to Fight ISIS

He’s a bit old, but a good drill sergeant could get him in shape for his volunteer mission.

187 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:06:58pm
188 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 7:07:07pm

re: #184 jaunte

Pope doesn’t agree with that eminent theologian and biblical expert Upchuck. Bad Pope! Bad!

189 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 7:07:33pm

re: #185 Single-handed sailor

Yeha. Radiation sensors downwind would go off, and that’s a thing too in the Ukraine that knows a thing or two about radiation and explosions (Chernobyl?!)

What a bunch of asshats they are to peddle this nonsense. And screw Drudge for promoting Alex Jones crap day after day as though it’s legitimate news.

190 Teukka  Feb 8, 2015 7:09:25pm

re: #185 Single-handed sailor

You’d think that would make the news.

Having seen footage of the kabloie on youtube, two different angles, I would say it’s either a fuel/air bomb going off, or a massive secondary explosion.

Had that been a nuke, you’d been hearing the guys in the video cussing and whincing in pain. You’d also see radiation artefacts in the video itself.

191 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:09:39pm
192 Mentis Fugit  Feb 8, 2015 7:10:39pm

re: #178 The Vicious Babushka

This is so much Teh Stupids==>

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JJJOOOIIIINNNNN UUUUUSSSSSS

193 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:11:03pm

re: #190 Teukka

Having seen footage of the kabloie on youtube, two different angles, I would say it’s either a fuel/air bomb going off, or a massive secondary explosion.

Had that been a nuke, you’d been hearing the guys in the video cussing and whincing in pain. You’d also see radiation artefacts in the video itself.

Agree - it wasn’t a nuke. It was probably a fuel-air bomb or an ammo depot going off.

Nukes are much bigger and more long-lasting than that.

194 b.d.  Feb 8, 2015 7:12:26pm

re: #184 jaunte

When your narcissism just won’t stop.

Newbie Catholic explains how the Pope is getting Catholicism all wrong.

*snort*

195 BigPapa  Feb 8, 2015 7:13:53pm

Lumbermetal! m/

…

196 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 7:14:21pm

Ah TV cop shows, how I love you:

A new character is introduced and within a minute, we learn he’s a long time family friend who will be christening his kid in the morning and he’s about to go undercover for a drug sting.

They should just introduce the guy as “Dead Meat.”

197 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 7:14:37pm

re: #194 b.d.

Newbie Catholic explains how the Pope is getting Catholicism all wrong.

*snort*

When he’s fixed the Pope, he’ll convert again and square away the Dalai Lama’s shit.

198 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:16:04pm
199 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 7:16:09pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Agree - it wasn’t a nuke. It was probably a fuel-air bomb or an ammo depot going off.

Nukes are much bigger and more long-lasting than that.

These morons are convinced rogue US generals detonated a nuke off the East Coast to keep the weapons out of Obama’s hands and the government has been covering it up.

They parted ways with reality years ago.

200 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 7:16:11pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Well, Upchuck, if you must know, it will be on Nov. 8, 2016.

Otherwise you’re talking sedition and treason.

201 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 7:16:17pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

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I feel his pain. I pretty much gave up on this country when there weren’t 100 million people out in the street every day until the stolen election of 2000 was reversed.

202 Single-handed sailor  Feb 8, 2015 7:17:43pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Agree - it wasn’t a nuke. It was probably a fuel-air bomb or an ammo depot going off.

Nukes are much bigger and more long-lasting than that.

..and a hell of a lot brighter than that. The camera would have been overwhelmed by the flash.

203 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 7:17:50pm

re: #200 A Cranky One

Well, Upchuck, if you must know, it will be on Nov. 8, 2016.

Otherwise you’re talking sedition and treason.

Don’t stop him, he’s on a roll.

204 Teukka  Feb 8, 2015 7:21:39pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Agree - it wasn’t a nuke. It was probably a fuel-air bomb or an ammo depot going off.

Nukes are much bigger and more long-lasting than that.

Well, there are small tac nukes for battlefield use in the range from a kT or two to the size of the only two used in anger.

The flash in the various videos is between 3 and 4 seconds long, and my trust table indicates that such a fireball duration indicates 22 to 40 kT yield. However, the flash isn’t bright enough to count as a fireball.
The delay between flash and shockwave is 15-ish seconds in both vids, indicating a 5 km / 3 mi distance. 22 to 40 kT at 5 kilometers would embed a lot of glass and debris in the videographers, possibly set them or at least set things around them on fire.
Also, close enough to have radiation artefacts in the video (there are none).

205 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 7:21:52pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Upchuck’s business model
206 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 7:22:05pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

This guy.

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Needs to be evangelized with the clue x 4 bible.

207 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 7:22:22pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

What a tactical nuke detonation looks like:

…

I’d say with high certainty that it wasn’t a nuke. Not the kind of thermal effects you’d see (and there’s no indication of damage of a kind that would indicate a nuke).

Big explosions don’t have to be nuclear either.

Think Pepcon disaster in Henderson NV, which was the result of a rocket fuel factory blowing up.
…

208 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 8, 2015 7:23:43pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

At what point does the second hand La-Z-Boy recliner collapse and topple Charles C. Johnson?

209 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 7:24:29pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Agree - it wasn’t a nuke. It was probably a fuel-air bomb or an ammo depot going off.

Nukes are much bigger and more long-lasting than that.

Even a pathetic semi-dud like North Korea finally detonated* (on their third try) would have 100% chance of causing third-degree burns 1.5 km away—that should be fairly diagnostic.

*I’m accepting the 8 kiloton estimate, but enormous political pressure has been brought to bear to overestimate the yield of all three tests, so who knows?

210 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:25:02pm
211 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 7:25:54pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

When he’s fixed the Pope, he’ll convert again and square away the Dalai Lama’s shit.

Normally I prefer public education, but this is a case where some Franciscan nuns and/or Jesuits might have done that moron some good.

212 retired cynic  Feb 8, 2015 7:26:18pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

No, I think I’ll pass. I want to sleep tonight.

213 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 7:26:41pm

re: #195 BigPapa

Lumbermetal! m/

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“Obey the Beard” should be the campaign theme for Michelle Bachmann’s next Presidential run.

214 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 7:27:19pm

I saw a Walking Dead spoiler on the twit. :(

215 Great White Snark  Feb 8, 2015 7:27:41pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

I’m blocked.

216 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 7:27:43pm

NUKEMAP2 is good for estimating effects.

217 Great White Snark  Feb 8, 2015 7:29:08pm

Nothing both truthful and significant will ever come from infowars first. AFAIK that video is a full blown hoax, pending more info.

218 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:29:21pm
219 Jenner7  Feb 8, 2015 7:29:28pm

re: #214 #FergusonFireside

Frowny face that you were spoiled or frowny face at the content of spoiler? I’m still watching previous episodes.

220 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:30:36pm
221 Teukka  Feb 8, 2015 7:31:29pm

re: #207 lawhawk

What a tactical nuke detonation looks like:

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A bit more disturbing news… It seems that Russian propaganda about the Donetsk kabloie is hyping it up to be a nuclear explosion.

222 Lidane  Feb 8, 2015 7:33:24pm

The Walking Dead simultaneously blew my mind with amazing writing and ripped my heart out with the ending.

:(

223 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 7:33:53pm

re: #221 Teukka

A bit more disturbing news… It seems that Russian propaganda about the Donetsk kabloie is hyping it up to be a nuclear explosion.

Alexei Joneski show?

224 Jenner7  Feb 8, 2015 7:33:56pm

re: #222 Lidane

Ughhhhh. Damn it.

225 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:35:26pm
226 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 7:37:12pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

227 b.d.  Feb 8, 2015 7:37:40pm

I’d say Chuck went all in on the 1st hand with a pair of 3s because he’s had over a dozen tweets since posting this 45 minutes ago.

228 Teukka  Feb 8, 2015 7:37:44pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Alexei Joneski show?

Nope. The genuine article.

229 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 7:38:35pm

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) on Sunday blasted President Obama’s economic policy, claiming that the economy has only improved for the rich.

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Cruz what he would say to potential 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton if she claimed Democrats fixed an economy destroyed by Republicans.

“Well, look, if Hillary Clinton wants to run by telling Americans that the economy is doing great and you can credit President Obama and Hillary Clinton for that, I would encourage her to follow that strategy. Because the simple reality is, that’s true for the wealthy,” Cruz responded on ABC’s “This Week.”

230 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 7:41:37pm
231 Iwouldprefernotto  Feb 8, 2015 7:42:02pm

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson * 52m 52 minutes ago
Chat later, friends. I have a game of no limit Texas hold ‘em to win.

I would give it all to charity if I could beat him in poker.

232 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:43:04pm
233 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 7:43:41pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Twitter would have to invent them.

234 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 8, 2015 7:44:27pm

re: #231 Iwouldprefernotto

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson * 52m 52 minutes ago
Chat later, friends. I have a game of no limit Texas hold ‘em to win.

I would give it all to charity if I could beat him in poker.

He’s playing against a stray dog for Cheetos.

235 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 7:45:00pm
236 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 7:45:26pm

re: #231 Iwouldprefernotto

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson * 52m 52 minutes ago
Chat later, friends. I have a game of no limit Texas hold ‘em to win.

I would give it all to charity if I could beat him in poker.

Nah, game would never get anywhere. Upchuck would put down a pair of threes and claim it beats a royal flush, and nothing you could do would convince him otherwise.

237 A Cranky One  Feb 8, 2015 7:47:00pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

They’d have to change the name to Chirper, because all the twits would be gone ;)

238 lawhawk  Feb 8, 2015 7:47:34pm

Law, how does it work? Roy Moore seems to be inventing a law all unto himself, and he’s going to find himself on the wrong end of it.

239 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 7:47:57pm

re: #219 Jenner7

Frowny face that you were spoiled or frowny face at the content of spoiler? I’m still watching previous episodes.

El, BOTH.

240 Jenner7  Feb 8, 2015 7:49:50pm

re: #239 #FergusonFireside

I’m turning my computer off so I don’t peek. BBL.

241 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 8, 2015 7:50:09pm

re: #238 lawhawk

Guy should be disbarred.

242 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 7:53:43pm

re: #241 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Guy should be disbarred.

He was removed from his post as Chief Justice over the 10 Commandments monument. The good folk re-elected him to the same position.

243 Joe Bacon  Feb 8, 2015 7:57:46pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

Wow, looks like someone pulled out all of Chuck C’s control rods and he’s going into nuclear meltdown mode!

244 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 8:00:36pm

The kind of religion Chuck has in mind:

…

245 Lidane  Feb 8, 2015 8:09:15pm

re: #238 lawhawk

re: #244 Kragar

re: #230 Kragar

This look on Prince’s face says it all:

246 Decatur Deb  Feb 8, 2015 8:09:44pm

‘Nite, All. When I awake I expect either Donetsk or Fresno to be a nuclear wasteland.

247 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 8:12:34pm

re: #227 b.d.

I’d say Chuck went all in on the 1st hand with a pair of 3s because he’s had over a dozen tweets since posting this 45 minutes ago.

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online poker is so new & cool these days.

Guy’s a wanker wanna be.

248 #FergusonFireside  Feb 8, 2015 8:14:35pm

No insult to online poker players not named Chuck.

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 8, 2015 8:23:48pm

re: #244 Kragar

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The kind of religion Chuck has in mind:

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No kidding.

Thing is that the “spiritual revolution” has always been there waiting for us. He called the the Kingdom. His followers referred to it as the second coming (some more literally than others but I digress…). It happens every time we actually live the way we were shown how to live rather than giving in to out base desires like a bunch of GOP grifters.

250 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 8, 2015 11:41:29pm

...

251 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 9, 2015 5:38:45am

re: #165 jaunte

seriously, I can’t think of even one effort by Cruz that built anything. I mean, building or fundamentally laying groundwork for any sort of program that does anything constructive at all.

Cruz is just another Palin-esque grenade thrower. Except he has a more credible shot at being the Republican nominee. Frightening times for this country.

252 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 9, 2015 5:47:52am

re: #244 Kragar

I think this is the sort of “spiritual revolution” Chuck and many amongst the right wing have in mind:

Image: a-lynch31-bw.jpg

kkk lynching 1930
253 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 6:42:30am

Did I somehow miss the announcement where the Gallop Poll was determined to be something other than an OPINION POLL and now has powers to determine official poverty?

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