Sunday Night Acoustic: Bruce Cockburn, ‘World of Wonders’

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Yes, I know the Grammy Awards were on tonight. But here’s some music that isn’t over-produced and isn’t auto-tuned, without choreography or costumes, from an overlooked master. One guy with a guitar, singing and playing from the heart, probably never winning a Grammy.

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304 comments
1 Great White Snark  Feb 8, 2015 8:15:58pm

Much more to my taste than most of the Grammy’s. Little bit interested in the Duets thing that has been pretty cool.

2 Great White Snark  Feb 8, 2015 8:21:37pm

Video

“Drink Myself Alive”
Local busker I happen to know… Patrick.

3 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 8:25:49pm

The Acoustic Guitar tag at LGF is some of the best of the internet.

I always say something like this when Charles posts this stuff. It bears repeating.

Lovely lovely stuff.

4 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 8:27:38pm

40 years I haven’t quite recovered from this.Video

OK, how do you guys get the video to show on the page?

5 Single-handed sailor  Feb 8, 2015 8:28:04pm

Bruce Cockburn? I know that name. Ah, I was right.

I loved the guitars in that song.

6 Romantic Heretic  Feb 8, 2015 8:32:06pm

Ah. Bruce. A local boy made good.

7 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 8, 2015 8:32:56pm

8 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 8:37:00pm

9 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 8:38:49pm

That’s the real shit.

10 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 8:42:59pm

YIKES! I skied today with a friend and took a couple of runs with an on-duty groovy ski patrol gal instead of spectating at the FIS Alpine World Ski Championships, so I did not see this go down.

Today was Men’s Combined, and during the Downhill Ondrej Bank of The Czech Republic took a horrific crash a mere 60 or 70 meters from the finish, in front of everybody at the grandstand. I just watched the video. You can watch it here if you dare, Warning: graphic content.

From the AP:

Ondrej Bank of the Czech Republic suffered a concussion, bruised leg and cuts on his face after he crashed near the finish during the downhill portion of the Alpine combined Sunday at the world championships.

He was able to move on his own and underwent a CT scan at the hospital, which race officials said was clear. It hasn’t been determined yet whether it will be necessary for Bank to stay at the hospital overnight for observation.

11 Great White Snark  Feb 8, 2015 8:47:10pm

May I just mention how much I detest auto tune?

12 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 8:47:36pm

The finish area is a little village unto its own. Where usually we can just glide about on our skis, now we have to take them off and walk to every lift in the area. There’s thousands upon thousands of people milling about. It’s a trip!

13 Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2015 8:47:52pm
14 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 8:54:26pm

This has taken over a portion of the local ski hill. It’s actually kind of neat!

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15 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 8:55:32pm
16 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 8, 2015 8:56:38pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Watched on TV. That was very rough.

17 darthstar  Feb 8, 2015 9:12:32pm

I love my dogs, but I do want another cat…they know how to treat their humans.

18 darthstar  Feb 8, 2015 9:13:55pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

This has taken over a portion of the local ski hill. It’s actually kind of neat!

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Way fuckin’ cool.

19 Great White Snark  Feb 8, 2015 9:19:21pm

Grammys
Gwen Stephani sounds wonderful.

20 Single-handed sailor  Feb 8, 2015 9:21:17pm

There are not enough female guitarists represented here. I present Charo.

21 darthstar  Feb 8, 2015 9:22:37pm

So, apparently Anonymous has gone after ISIS…good for them. I hope they focus on those fuckers until they stop using the internet.

22 darthstar  Feb 8, 2015 9:24:10pm
23 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 8, 2015 9:28:16pm

I love Charo!!

24 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 9:28:34pm

re: #18 darthstar

Way fuckin’ cool.

It is way fuckin’ cool. I watched the Men’s Super G on Friday at a spot on the course where they were easily going 60+ m.p.h. Very cool to watch.

OTOH, us locals have no goddamned place to park except out at the rodeo grounds which automatically adds one hour to our commute!!!

25 Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 8, 2015 9:29:14pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

I’m struck by similarities between crashes in skiing and motorcycle racing. Even the announcers sound the same. Both sports require full safety gear, including a protective suit and helmet. They also both involve sliding across the ground at high speed in an accident.

Pro bike racing gear has evolved to the point where top-end racing suits now contain reusable, accelerometer-triggered airbags in key places to prevent trauma during rapid unscheduled dismounts. I wonder if skiing would benefit from things like that.

26 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 8, 2015 9:30:17pm

I love the smell of nerdrage in the morning. It smells like…well, it smells like shit is what it smells like.

27 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 9:31:14pm

re: #25 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’m struck by similarities between crashes in skiing and motorcycle racing. Even the announcers sound the same. Both sports require full safety gear, including a protective suit and helmet. They also both involve sliding across the ground at high speed in an accident.

Pro bike racing gear has evolved to the point where top-end racing suits now contain reusable, accelerometer-triggered airbags in key places to prevent trauma during rapid unscheduled dismounts. I wonder if skiing would benefit from things like that.

GAWDDAM you might be on to something there.

28 CleverToad  Feb 8, 2015 9:35:58pm

OT: If any of the lizards wander through Denver with a wad of cash to burn, I recommend The Buckhorn Exchange, Denver’s oldest still-operating steakhouse (opened in 1893). Pricey but very cool, for history buffs and carnivores.

Took the husband there tonight for his 60th birthday: buffalo potato soup; garden salad with homemade ranch; elk steak, buffalo prime rib, quail for the entrees; Saratoga chips and baked potato; apple pie a la mode; their signature Rocky Mountain Oysters for the appetizer; and Stranahan’s Colorado whiskey for the topper. (Ostrich & yak were not on the menu tonight, though one of the appetizer choices was rattlesnake.) Oysters are, um… interesting; the elk and buffalo were fantastic; their brown bread is wonderful. Waddled home on the Light Rail, broke but fat’n’happy.

The table next to us was a birthday party for an 85-year-old gent who remembered coming there when he was ten. Was telling the waitress about his dad shooting the breeze with the proprietor, Shorty Scout Zeitz, who had been a scout with Buffalo Bill. Living history is fun.

29 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 9:38:01pm

I need to get my hands on some small scale letter stencils or stamps. I can’t seem to find any hobby shop that carries the sizes I’m looking for.

30 LastYearsMan  Feb 8, 2015 9:43:19pm

For Cockburn on guitar by himself, I’m quite partial to “Last Night of the World”.
Video

31 Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 8, 2015 9:44:24pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

GAWDDAM you might be on to something there.

I searched for the two big names - Dianese’s D-Air system and Alpinestars’ Tech-Air - and it turns out Dianese is already adapting it for ski use.

Dianese’s smart ski airbag system, article from a year ago

I guess the engineers get paid to think of this stuff so I don’t have to!

These things are starting to trickle down to the consumer level, and it’s good to see the technology branching out into other sports too.

32 LastYearsMan  Feb 8, 2015 9:45:56pm

And, as long as I’m being a Cockburn nerd, I hope you don’t mind me posting “Lovers in a Dangerous Time”.
Video

33 piratedan  Feb 8, 2015 9:46:21pm

re: #30 LastYearsMan

hell I still have the LP that has “Wondering Where The Lions Are?” one of my dearest pieces of vinyl, along with all of my Nick Lowe stuff.

34 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 9:51:14pm

re: #31 Pawn of the Oppressor

Top Notch stuff!

35 Kragar  Feb 8, 2015 9:55:18pm
36 teleskiguy  Feb 8, 2015 9:56:28pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

My tweet has the pissiest-poor grammar. Fuck it. It’s a fucking TWEET! Some of these RWNJ have hundreds of thousands of them, and they joined, like, last year.

/kinda

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2015 10:07:50pm

Bruce Cockburn, one of Canada’s finest. I’d love to see him live sometime.

38 Single-handed sailor  Feb 8, 2015 10:09:07pm

There’s something you don’t see much in California, rain rate of 3.60” an hour… I’m glad it only lasted 1 minute.

39 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 1:37:04am

40 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 9, 2015 2:30:06am

I just quit a Facebook group called “The Greatest Planes that Never Were,” hypothetically devoted to conjectural, experimental, and low volume aircraft through the history of aviation. The reason is that it is absolutely lousy with nationalistic lies and jingoistic propaganda at every turn, from “America Fuck yeah” to Canadian Arrowhead liars, Russophiles, and (last but certainly not least) the contrarian cultural fungi known as Luft ‘46/Germanophile tech cultists.

Today, an Arrowhead blatantly claimed that that the US could not have landed on the Moon or even made it to orbit without the Canadian engineers who became available when the CF-105 Arrow was cancelled in 1957. Yesterday, a Russophile asserted that the Northrop YA-9 (the famous A-10’s failed competitor) was a copy of the Russian SU-25 even though the YA-9 flew more than 3 years earlier.

As for the Luft cultists, they claim Aryan primacy for literally everything. One of them claimed the Australian Jindivik done was copied from the V-1 Buzz-bomb because (wait for it) they both have untapered wings and tail surfaces. I could post a photo of Lindbergh’s Spririt of Saint Louis (the Ryan NYP) and some Germanophile would probably claim it was copied from a German original because they both have round wheels.

Btw, much of the blame for the Arrowheads lies with an outlandish CBC miniseries called The Arrow that premiered in 1997. This uses a docudrama style but departs from fact in a number of areas, some of them quite stupid and others flat out dishonest. It falsely credits Canadian engineers with discovering the Whitcomb Area Rule (a crucial aerodynamic breakthrough of the time that was in fact developed in WW2 Germany and discovered independently by an American, the eponymous Richard Whticomb). The US was the first to apply it to a flyable airplane, well before Arrow development started. The film also asserts that the Arrow could fly in space, which is beyond stupid for an air-breathing aluminum aircraft of the 1950s.

Naturally, the film invents an American authored conspiracy to account for the Arrow’s cancellation, the motive being to pick up its hyper-advanced technology and super-human designers at bargain prices, while peddling inferior ape-man designed American products to the Canadians. Never mind that the US had two similar, but much more advanced interceptors, the Republic F-103 and North American F-108, that were also in development at the time and were both cancelled within a year. It remains the highest rated program in CBC history.

Canada, too, has rubes I suppose, and they must be told what they want to hear.

41 Charles Johnson  Feb 9, 2015 3:03:47am

Having a bit of insomnia, and I notice that Chuck is now attracting full-on neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers from Vanguard News Network.

42 Charles Johnson  Feb 9, 2015 3:23:27am

And…

43 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 3:26:47am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I won’t be surprised if he is on that route in a year or so.

44 Varek Raith  Feb 9, 2015 3:35:14am

Good morning.
Awoke to a cat sitting on my keyboard and thousands of XML files opened in IE.
XD

45 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 3:51:47am

re: #44 Varek Raith

Good morning.
Awoke to a cat sitting on my keyboard and thousands of XML files opened in IE.
XD

It was trying to help.

46 KiTA  Feb 9, 2015 4:31:17am

So the bench technician at work got a notification from our shared ISP — he apparently used 1.45 terabytes of data down and 30 gigs up last month.

The 1.45TB could be explained by the 3 rokus, except for the 30 gigs of upload. That screams “botnet” or “bittorrent” to me.

So I’ve been spending the last hour or so looking on my C1000A actiontec modem for some form of data usage meter or something. It’s not going well. I downloaded a 210 meg test file and none of the supposed meters are anywhere near close to what they should be.

Not sure what to try next, other than loaning him a spare router and setting up PPPoE. My old WRT54G has a good bandwith meter…

47 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 4:40:05am

Checking my timeline from last night, some troll spamming memes HURR HURR DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!! and being laughed at by everyone.

Another troll sent a link to a Von Mises “study” that claims HURR HURR RAISING MINIMUM WAGE DESTROYED JRBS by using this
“logic” HURR HURR ALL TEH STUDIES TAHT SHOWS HOW RAISING MINIMUM WAGE INCREASED JRBS IS A LIE!!!!1!!! BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS TEH PERFECT VON MISES AUSTRIAN THEORY OF TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS!!!!!!

Srsly.

I need MOAR COFFEE.

48 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 4:48:12am

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

More coffee is good. Good morning :)

49 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 4:49:22am
50 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 4:50:21am

Just wait, “Yosef” will reply with some shit about “teenagers” and “stepping stones” and “first jrbs”

51 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 4:52:11am

Before Obama is out of office, I will lease another new car and probably take another business class vacation. OH TEH TYRANNY!!!!! HOW WILL WE SURVIVE!!!!!!

52 Dark_Falcon  Feb 9, 2015 4:53:33am

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

Before Obama is out of office, I will lease another new car and probably take another business class vacation. OH TEH TYRANNY!!!!! HOW WILL WE SURVIVE!!!!!!

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Twitter makes people stupid. That’s the only explanation I can think of for that level of stupidity.

53 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 4:53:52am

- It is wrong to block someone with $6 hour skills from job market.
- OK, you’re right, let the minimum wage be $6/h.
- It is wrong to block someone with $5 hour skills from job market.
- Uhh, I guess… Then $5 it will be, but n…
- It is wrong to block someone with $4 hour skills from job market.
[…]
- It is wrong to block someone with $0.001 hour skills from job market.

54 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 4:55:50am

re: #53 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

- It is wrong to block someone with $6 hour skills from job market.
- OK, you’re right, let the minimum wage be $6/h.
- It is wrong to block someone with $5 hour skills from job market.
- Uhh, I guess… Then $5 it will be, but n…
- It is wrong to block someone with $4 hour skills from job market.
[…]
- It is wrong to block someone with $0.001 hour skills from job market.

55 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 4:55:58am

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

My mind goes crazy

Already there.

56 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 4:57:21am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

The Invisible Right Hand of The Market!

57 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:00:17am

Things that make wingnuts fearful for the survival of Life As We Know It:

1. People having health care
2. Teh Ghey getting married & enjoying wedding cake
3. Workers getting paid living wage
4. Immigrants working illegally “under the table” getting work cards & paying Social Security

58 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:01:21am

This one is just a little “Supply Side” parrot, spewing talking points

59 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 9, 2015 5:04:13am

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

Before Obama is out of office, I will lease another new car and probably take another business class vacation. OH TEH TYRANNY!!!!! HOW WILL WE SURVIVE!!!!!!

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Unemployment will go down — again. The markets will rise — again. People will still have health care insurance. Time to pack up and move to Costa Rica!

60 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:07:04am

“The Market”

61 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 9, 2015 5:07:22am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

This one is just a little “Supply Side” parrot, spewing talking points

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The reasoning makes no sense. McD’s needs front line workers, so they will hire them and pay whatever the minimum wage is, or more. Raising the minimum wage is not going to decrease the need for workers. If anything, those workers will have more money to spend, thereby creating a need for other workers to serve them.

62 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 9, 2015 5:08:59am

I’ve never taken an econ course, but I seem to understand basic economics better than most of VB’s Twitter people.

63 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 5:14:57am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

“The Market”

How many of these people are the same ones screaming about the “illegals” coming across the borders and stealing jobs?
//

And I’m sure the whole lot of them have irreplaceable job skill sets that wouldn’t have them on the street in a moment if their management thought it could really get away with true “market” hiring.
//

64 wrenchwench  Feb 9, 2015 5:16:28am

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Twitter makes people stupid. That’s the only explanation I can think of for that level of stupidity.

Twitter lets people show off their pre-existing levels of stupidity, it doesn’t create them. That’s my theory. I follow some pretty smart folks.

65 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 9, 2015 5:16:49am

re: #20 Single-handed sailor

There are not enough female guitarists represented here. I present Charo.

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I will see your Charo and raise you Ani DiFranco with a side of Melissa Ferrick ;)

66 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 9, 2015 5:18:32am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

“The Market”

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That “invisible hand” is really creepy.

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 5:20:36am

re: #62 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I’ve never taken an econ course, but I seem to understand basic economics better than most of VB’s Twitter people.

“Hire off the street” economies are not stable ones. These people have no idea how much the minimum wage and social service safety nets help keep the lid on things and lead to a more secure and peaceful society.

It’s actually one reason the “sheep” analogy about people works that way. If you have something to lose you are more likely to go with the general flow of society and put up with a great deal of crap. Otherwise, what do you have to lose when the pot starts to boil over? And, at that point, the mob gives you your opportunity to get back at your oppressors.

And, in both the long and short run, rioting is bad for business.

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 5:21:14am

re: #66 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That “invisible hand” is really creepy.

It should be off slapping a lot of people who should know better.
//

69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 9, 2015 5:21:47am

re: #44 Varek Raith

Good morning.
Awoke to a cat sitting on my keyboard and thousands of XML files opened in IE.
XD

70 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:23:14am
71 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 9, 2015 5:25:02am

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

Who decides what a “skill” is worth?

I think the skill of unblocking my toilet, keeping my office clean, making sure the engine in my car is running, and clearing snow off my roads is worth A HELLUVA LOT MORE than the skill of moving around numbers on a screen than represent “money” or buying companies and gutting them to husks of their former selves.

Call me crazy.

72 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:27:52am

I put the silly fucker on mute.

73 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:28:41am

HURR HURR JUST GET A BETTER JRRB SOMEWHERE ELSE is utter bullshit.

74 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 5:30:51am

re: #66 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That “invisible hand” is really creepy.

I hate it when I go to the movies and feel it on my knee.

75 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 9, 2015 5:31:33am

re: #74 Decatur Deb

I hate it when I go to the movies and feel it on my knee.

It’s not my knee I’m worried about!

76 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 5:32:44am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

If you think a non-union individual worker can negotiate on the same level with a hiring corporation you are delusional.

The obvious answer to right-to-work laws is to outlaw corporations as restraint of trade. Go Full Metal Luddite.

77 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:33:05am

And just as soon as I blocked “Mr. Supply Side” here comes a gun-fucker

78 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 5:38:29am

re: #66 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That “invisible hand” is really creepy.

You’ll get ya minimum wage out of the Market’s cold dead invisible hand!

79 darthstar  Feb 9, 2015 5:40:04am

Matt Yglesias humblebrags to GG about his Obama interview. I TRIED TO TRAP HIM BUT HE GOT AWAY (pic is of the line where he asks if it’s wise to give foreign aid to ‘a country like Israel’)

80 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 5:41:57am

The invisible hand doing its minimum wage job!

81 darthstar  Feb 9, 2015 5:43:50am
82 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 5:43:57am

From a Lower Alabama paper:

Although Roy Moore, chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, has issued a lengthy treatise to probate judges explaining why he believes the sovereignty of Alabama excludes our state from the dictates of lower federal courts, the fact remains that Moore’s stand on the issue, untested by the courts in this particular application, is likely to do little more than position the state’s probate judges at odds with a lawful federal court order.

dothaneagle.com

For a hopeful perspective, understand that this newspaper, in 1934, campaigned to get a good turnout at the lynching of Claude Neal.

83 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:44:12am

re: #79 darthstar

Matt Yglesias humblebrags to GG about his Obama interview. I TRIED TO TRAP HIM BUT HE GOT AWAY (pic is of the line where he asks if it’s wise to give foreign aid to ‘a country like Israel’)

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Here is POTUS’s reply to that Israel question:

Well, our relationship with Israel is in many ways unique. It’s our strongest ally in the region. Our people-to-people ties are unmatched. And partly because of world history, the vulnerabilities of a Jewish population in the midst of a really hostile neighborhood create a special obligation for us to help them. I think the more interesting question is if you look at our foreign assistance as a tool in our national security portfolio, as opposed to charity, and you combine our defense budget with our diplomatic budget and our foreign assistance budget, then in that mix there’s a lot more that we should be doing when it comes to helping Honduras and Guatemala build an effective criminal-justice system, effective police, and economic development that creates jobs.

84 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:46:25am
85 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 5:51:22am

re: #80 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Think I just learned the German word for “monkeyshines”.

86 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 5:51:27am

In which Ron Paul libertariansplains that he’s not “Anti-VAXX” per sé, he’s just “Pro-Choice” on the issue of vaccines.

87 b.d.  Feb 9, 2015 5:52:41am

re: #81 darthstar

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Oh brother.

I love it how the dudebros see Obama as an Israeli stooge and the wingnuts sees Obama as an Israeli hater.

88 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 5:52:45am

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

In which Ron Paul libertariansplains that he’s not “Anti-VAXX” per sé, he’s just “Pro-Choice” on the issue of vaccines.

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“I’m not pro-arson, I just hate fire departments.”

89 Thanos  Feb 9, 2015 6:00:50am

This video’s probably going to get a takedown, so watch while you can - Brook Axtell soliloquoy from last night:

91 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 6:11:28am

re: #15 teleskiguy

Moore simply refuses to accept federal law, and is a world unto himself. Frankly, in a just world, he would be impeached and removed from office for engaging in these actions, but it’s not just, and there’s probably more than a little support for nullification and reimposing segregation and reducing rights for minorities of all colors, orientations, and creeds.

Frankly, there are still many in the South who think that they should have won the Civil War and take pride in the South’s war of insurrection against the North all to protect the unjust institution of slavery.

So, when you come across someone who complains that the Civil War was the War of Northern Aggression, turn that on its head by saying it was the War of Southern Insurrection (remind them that the first shots fired were by the South against the North at Fort Sumter).

Remind them that it was the War for Southern Protection of Slavery.

Remind them that the South lost.

Remind them that they then imposed segregation and Jim Crow to continue their bias and awful treatment of blacks until the feds stepped in.

Remind them that Bull Connor was the losing side.

92 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 6:14:04am

re:
#87

I love it how the dudebros see Obama as an Israeli stooge and the wingnuts sees Obama as an Israeli hater.

Naturally. //

93 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 6:15:29am

re: #91 lawhawk

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Moore simply refuses to accept federal law, and is a world unto himself. Frankly, in a just world, he would be impeached and removed from office for engaging in these actions, but it’s not just, and there’s probably more than a little support for nullification and reimposing segregation and reducing rights for minorities of all colors, orientations, and creeds.

…snip.

He was removed, by a state judicial review apparatus. My neighbors re-elected him. He will poll better next time.

94 Thanos  Feb 9, 2015 6:15:35am
95 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 6:17:13am

That reminds me of the movie Porky’s 2, where the locals were prudes who didn’t want the high school to put on Shakespeare’s Midsummer’s Night Dream, and tried to impose a morality code. But of course, the local political leaders and church leaders (all white men), had no problem watching stag films in the basement.

Do as I say, don’t do as I do.

We as a nation have a really warped sense of sexuality where there’s no problem filming movies with all manner of violence, but show sexual acts and it’s slapped with R or NC-17 or X ratings.

96 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 6:20:46am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Removed again.

And one has to wonder how to get a grift as good as his.

In 2011, the year before he ran and won the office of Chief Justice for the second time, Moore held a 20-hour a week gig at the non-profit that still counts Moore’s wife Kayla as president.

The stated mission of that organization - the Foundation for Moral Law Inc. - is to “Educate the public and promote current litigation aimed at moral and religious issues,” according to the organization’s IRS forms. It exists to “restore the knowledge of God in law and government and to acknowledge and defend the truth that man is endowed with rights, not by our fellow man, but by God.”

Which sounds an awful lot like what Moore is doing right now.

It’s just not as lucrative these days. In 2011, the Foundation for Moral law received total revenues of $550,093, with $547,533 coming from gifts and grants, according to the group’s Form 990. That year Moore, for his 20 hour job, received $453,000 in pay, or 2 1/2 times his current public salary.

Which means 83 cents of every dollar given this non-profit that year went to pay Moore.

Which makes you wonder how to get on the gravy train of a non-profit like that. And makes you wonder if donors knew they were contributing simply for the joy of paying Roy Moore.

97 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 6:24:50am

re: #79 darthstar

Oooh… how about all the foreign aid that goes to the PA? You know, the same group that includes Fatah, and if they bother to hold elections as promised, Hamas (again). Or the foreign aid that goes to repressive regimes around the world because they have a common goal/interest with the US?

Or the foreign assistance that flows in to places like Brazil? Which has levels of police brutality that would make US instances seem pedestrian. That’s Greenwald’s adopted home.

But he’d rather take potshots at the US from a safe perch.

That’s all he does.

98 Dave In Austin  Feb 9, 2015 6:34:09am
99 Jenner7  Feb 9, 2015 6:39:40am

This guy. Sheesh. I just don’t get his attitude.

100 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 6:41:12am

Dogwalk. Want to get it in before the loving god unleashes his wrath on our degenerate Alabama pates. BBL, lord willin’.

101 Timothy Watson  Feb 9, 2015 6:43:12am

Anyone know why all the sudden Excel won’t let me enter line breaks (Alt + Enter) into cells?

102 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 6:43:42am

Dear Kanye,

Please sit down and STFU.

103 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 6:44:09am

Welp, another “Southern Strategy” denier showed up in my mentions & tried to GOPsplain that HURR HURR GOP PASSED TEH CIVIL RIGHTS ACT & LBJ & ROBERT BYRD WERE TEH RACISTS!!!!! BYRD BYRD BYRD BYRD!!!!!!

104 Timothy Watson  Feb 9, 2015 6:46:20am

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

Welp, another “Southern Strategy” denier showed up in my mentions & tried to GOPsplain that HURR HURR GOP PASSED TEH CIVIL RIGHTS ACT & LBJ & ROBERT BYRD WERE TEH RACISTS!!!!! BYRD BYRD BYRD BYRD!!!!!!

BYRD’S THE WORD!!1!

105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 6:47:48am

re:
#96

It exists to “restore the knowledge of God in law and government and to acknowledge and defend the truth that man is endowed with rights, not by our fellow man, but by God.”

The whole business of God granting rights and so forth was said in the spirit of those wanting to expand the range of rights people had, rights that couldn’t be circumscribed by kings, princes, and parliaments, i.e. “government”. Moore, The Family “Research” Council, Federalist Society and countless others in the RWNJ orbit are out to restrict rights.

106 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 6:53:30am

Meanwhile, the right wingers are running with another story claiming that climate data has been massaged and tweaked and that global warming isn’t happening. They’re unskewing the data.

Wrong of course, but this is the right wing we’re talking about. Divorced from reality is a thing with them.

107 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 6:54:15am

re:
#99

Also, too, so Beck is still around and musicing? He’s got some good songs.

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 6:54:52am

re: #105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#96

The whole business of God granting rights and so forth was said in the spirit of those wanting to expand the range of rights people had, rights that couldn’t be circumscribed by kings, princes, and parliaments, i.e. “government”. Moore, The Family “Research” Council, Federalist Society and countless others in the RWNJ orbit are out to restrict rights.

”,,,man is endowed with rights, not by our fellow man, but by God.”

Whether that is the case or not, God, unlike even a corporation, is not a legal person under US law, and we have to rely on other people to enforce and defend our rights.

109 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 6:56:40am

re:
#106

And as I asked in the downstairs thread, did I somehow miss when Gallop, which conducts OPINION POLLS, was certified as an official determiner of poverty in the U.S.?

110 b.d.  Feb 9, 2015 6:57:06am

re: #106 lawhawk

Meanwhile, the right wingers are running with another story claiming that climate data has been massaged and tweaked and that global warming isn’t happening. They’re unskewing the data.

Wrong of course, but this is the right wing we’re talking about. Divorced from reality is a thing with them.

When you can’t argue with the numbers claim the numbers are a lie.

111 Great White Snark  Feb 9, 2015 7:00:28am

re: #99 Jenner7

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This guy. Sheesh. I just don’t get his attitude.

Well if anything happens again with him, blame the show organizers or managers. ‘Cause that guy should not be on any award shows invitation list. The guy is not saving lives, he makes popular music.

112 wrenchwench  Feb 9, 2015 7:08:16am
113 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 9, 2015 7:09:03am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

”,,,man is endowed with rights, not by our fellow man, but by God.”

Whether that is the case or not, God, unlike even a corporation, is not a legal person under US law, and we have to rely on other people to enforce and defend our rights.

As soon as God shows up in person and delineates those rights granted by God I’ll listen more respectfully to those who claim that our rights are thus granted. Otherwise, I am suspicious because what they portray as God’s predilections seem to be identical to their own.

114 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 7:10:04am

re: #111 Great White Snark

The Mrs. who watched the show, found the whole thing to be meh. The acts weren’t particularly good, auto-tuning everything to bits, and even Paul McCartney was lackluster.

Probably the best bit? Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga (because beneath all of her crazy outfits and persona, the girl has mad skills).

115 Great White Snark  Feb 9, 2015 7:19:19am

re: #114 lawhawk

Annie Lennox hit it just right I thought. Not the best song choice perhaps though. But I’m a fan. so kinda biased.

116 b.d.  Feb 9, 2015 7:23:25am
117 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 9, 2015 7:25:41am

re: #114 lawhawk

The Mrs. who watched the show, found the whole thing to be meh. The acts weren’t particularly good, auto-tuning everything to bits, and even Paul McCartney was lackluster.

Probably the best bit? Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga (because beneath all of her crazy outfits and persona, the girl has mad skills).

Paul McCartney? Wasn’t he in some other band before Wings?

118 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 7:26:16am

re: #116 b.d.

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We do need to keep in mind that autism is a spectrum condition, not something you can simply take a blood test and come up positive or negative. And yes, as awareness of it has increased, so have the reported cases.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 7:30:05am

re: #109 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#106

And as I asked in the downstairs thread, did I somehow miss when Gallop, which conducts OPINION POLLS, was certified as an official determiner of poverty in the U.S.?

My bet is that God told him so at some point.
//

Or maybe a sudden increase in his bank account from unidentified sources.
///

120 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:42:40am

re: #89 Thanos

This video’s probably going to get a takedown, so watch while you can - Brook Axtell soliloquoy from last night:

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Video

Thank you for posting.

Why do you think it will get taken down?

121 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 7:46:34am

re:
#117

Paul McCartney? Wasn’t he in some other band before Wings?

A marginal one. No major hits. Undistinguished band members. ///

122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 7:50:28am

re: #117 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Paul McCartney? Wasn’t he in some other band before Wings?

The Quarrymen.

123 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 7:51:30am

Ben Shapiro thinks Babushka is not a “Real Jew”
Fuck him. He’s a pandering tool.

124 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:51:52am

re: #106 lawhawk

Meanwhile, the right wingers are running with another story claiming that climate data has been massaged and tweaked and that global warming isn’t happening. They’re unskewing the data.

Wrong of course, but this is the right wing we’re talking about. Divorced from reality is a thing with them.

because in their nihilistic delusions it doesn’t matter. We are all doomed anyway, so rape, pillage and plunder!

125 WhatEVs  Feb 9, 2015 7:52:23am

re: #120 FemNaziBitch

Thank you for posting.

Why do you think it will get taken down?

Copyright. I was trying to watch one someone posted of Madonna’s performance (they said it was fantastic) but it was taken down due to copyright laws.

126 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 7:52:54am
127 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:53:32am

re: #113 Higgs Boson’s Mate

As soon as God shows up in person and delineates those rights granted by God I’ll listen more respectfully to those who claim that our rights are thus granted. Otherwise, I am suspicious because what they portray as God’s predilections seem to be identical to their own.

The reason they stress, God, so much in this regard is that if grants were determined by man, then a Tyrant could take them away.

Which, a tyrant has done already, many times, in history.

128 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:54:12am

re: #114 lawhawk

The Mrs. who watched the show, found the whole thing to be meh. The acts weren’t particularly good, auto-tuning everything to bits, and even Paul McCartney was lackluster.

Probably the best bit? Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga (because beneath all of her crazy outfits and persona, the girl has mad skills).

GaGa’s awesome!

“If Elton John had a daughter it would be Lady Gaga.”

129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 7:54:26am

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

The reason they stress, God, so much in this regard is that if grants were determined by man, then a Tyrant could take them away.

Which, a tyrant has done already, many times, in history.

What about the Divine Right of kings?

130 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 7:54:50am

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro thinks Babushka is not a “Real Jew”
Fuck him. He’s a pandering tool.

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Excuse me if I goysplain: Many right wing Jews are pimps first, and menschen second.

131 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:55:19am

re: #125 WhatEVs

Copyright. I was trying to watch one someone posted of Madonna’s performance (they said it was fantastic) but it was taken down due to copyright laws.

I watched it in a link from PolicyMic.

I didn’t think it was all that. Really. Seemed like she had a hard time walking in her shoes.

132 Varek Raith  Feb 9, 2015 7:55:45am
133 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 7:55:57am

re: #130 Decatur Deb

134 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 7:56:09am

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro thinks Babushka is not a “Real Jew”
Fuck him. He’s a pandering tool.

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Real Jews usually don’t take non-existent “Judeo-Christianity” seriously.

135 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:56:17am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What about the Divine Right of kings?

Yeah, right …

Like the Pope is the representative of St. Peter and all that …

Power Mongers, all.

136 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 7:57:57am

re: #133 lawhawk

Never mind that Israel was founded by socialist minded folks like Herzl, Ben Gurion, and that there’s still a strong left-lean among Israelis, even though Israeli economics has grown more capitalist in many respects.

Universal health insurance, mandatory military service (which is a sore point because of the former exclusion for religious Jews), etc. Collective needs. Collective responsibilities. Etc.

137 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:57:57am

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro thinks Babushka is not a “Real Jew”
Fuck him. He’s a pandering tool.

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No True Juice!!!

138 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 7:58:16am

re: #134 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Real Jews usually don’t take non-existent “Judeo-Christianity” seriously.

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Halachah (Jewish religious law) has much more in common with Sharia law than wingnuts want to admit.

Especially in view of the fact that virtually all of Pamela’s HURR HURR QURAN SAYS THIS!!!!!!1!! is plagiarized from old anti-Semitic HURR HURR TALMUD SAYS THIS!!!!!!1!!!

139 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 7:58:50am
140 WhatEVs  Feb 9, 2015 7:59:14am

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

I watched it in a link from PolicyMic.

I didn’t think it was all that. Really. Seemed like she had a hard time walking in her shoes.

I was only looking to watch out of curiosity since the writer was fawning over her. I didn’t watch the Grammys at all. Hubby hates award shows so I pick and choose which ones I really want to watch (Golden Globes, Oscars).

141 Varek Raith  Feb 9, 2015 7:59:57am

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That’s funny.

142 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 9, 2015 8:00:21am

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro thinks Babushka is not a “Real Jew”
Fuck him. He’s a pandering tool.

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Why not Ben Shapiro? His years of rabbinical studies, recognized mastery of the Torah and the years he spent toiling on a kibbutz leave him eminently qualified to determine who is a Real Jew.

143 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:00:39am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

The traditional monotheistic Jewish and Islamic concepts of God are also much more similar to each other than to the traditional Christian Trinity, which in practice looks either like tritheism, or like something absolutely incoherent.

144 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 8:00:47am

re:
#82

From a Lower Alabama paper

Are there political, cultural differences in Alabama that are more or less reflected in the state’s geography? I seem to recall the old “Black Belt” was a geographical band in more of the middle, or upper middle of the state.

145 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:01:43am

Generalizing: Christians pray to Jesus. Jews don’t. There can be no “Judeo-Christianity” if we’re talking about traditional Christianity and traditional Judaism.

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 8:02:59am

re: #144 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#82

Are there political, cultural differences in Alabama that are more or less reflected in the state’s geography? I seem to recall the old “Black Belt” was a geographical band in more of the middle, or upper middle of the state.

Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers, and they’ve been known to pick a song or two..

147 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 9, 2015 8:03:15am

re: #143 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The traditional monotheistic Jewish and Islamic concepts of God are also much more similar to each other than to the traditional Christian Trinity, which in practice looks either like tritheism, or like something absolutely incoherent.

I’ll take Things That are Absolutely Incoherent for $300, Alex.

148 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 8:03:50am

re:
#142

Why not Ben Shapiro? His years of rabbinical studies, recognized mastery of the Torah and the years he spent toiling on a kibbutz leave him eminently qualified to determine who is a Real Jew.

All the grandkids, too. Don’t forget those. //

149 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:04:08am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

Halachah (Jewish religious law) has much more in common with Sharia law than wingnuts want to admit.

Especially in view of the fact that virtually all of Pamela’s HURR HURR QURAN SAYS THIS!!!!!!1!! is plagiarized from old anti-Semitic HURR HURR TALMUD SAYS THIS!!!!!!1!!!

In an argument with my wife this week over the Feast of the Presentation (Yeah, we do that), I hit this wonderchild’s Talmudic wisdom. Never heard of her, but she doesn’t miss a psycho anti-Semitic or anti-liberal note.

en.wikipedia.org

150 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:04:40am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

In an argument with my wife this week over the Feast of the Presentation (Yeah, we do that), I hit this wonderchild’s Talmudic wisdom. Never heard of her, but she doesn’t miss a psycho anti-Semitic or anti-liberal note.

en.wikipedia.org

Then you missed quite a few Glenn Beck articles here ;)

151 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:05:19am

re: #150 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Then you missed quite a few Glenn Beck articles here ;)

I try to.

152 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:05:44am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

I try to.

littlegreenfootballs.com

153 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 9, 2015 8:08:57am

*Partisan mode ON*

Yet another bad guy Bush let go, and Obama had to track down and kill!

ISIS recruiter, once freed from Gitmo by U.S., killed in drone strike in Afghanistan

“Arrested and sent to Guantanamo soon after the Taliban’s collapse, he was released in late 2007, having convinced his jailers that he wanted only to go home and tend his farm. Escaping from house arrest in Kabul, he fled to Pakistan.”

154 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 8:09:10am

DARVO OF THE DAY==>

155 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:10:35am

re: #152 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

littlegreenfootballs.com

Looks like I missed that thread—what a cast of characters!!

156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 8:16:13am

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

DARVO OF THE DAY==>

Alabama was wrong on race but is right on marriage.

Don’t understand, Bryan, both viewpoints were based on the Bible…

157 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 8:16:48am
158 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 8:18:15am
Gastonia police sent to check on the welfare of a 74-year-old man shot and killed him in his home late Saturday after he confronted them with a gun, police said.

Read more here: charlotteobserver.com

Police continue to escalate violence …

159 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:19:00am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Don’t understand, Bryan, both viewpoints were based on the Bible…

But they are different. Slavery and Jim Crow made some sort of perverted economic sense. Anti-gay shit is closer to the pure distillate of hatred.

160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 8:20:58am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

But they are different. Slavery and Jim Crow made some sort of perverted economic sense. Anti-gay shit is closer to the pure distillate of displaced self-hatred.

161 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 8:22:55am

Lethal anti-vax derp:

162 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 8:23:46am

Got to see some of a special on Fox last night — I’ll call it the:

“We think Scott Walker has the biggest, baddest Penis Ever Created by the Divine Maker of Penises!!! and think that qualifies him to be the next POTUS” show.

163 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 8:24:17am

re:
#152

“This is a book — and I’m a getting a ton of these — from people who were doing what we’re doing now. We now are documenting who all of these people are. Well, there were Americans in the first 50 years of this nation that took this seriously, and they documented it.”

So the leading conspiracy-minded paranoid nutcase screeching about FEMA camps, so-called targeting and persecution of conservative Christians, etc was promoting authors who conducted ideological witch-hunts.

164 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:24:21am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Don’t understand, Bryan, both viewpoints were based on the Bible…

Strictly speaking, not. I mean the race thing, not the slavery thing. The whole “Ham’s curse” is but an interpretation, the Bible nowhere says Ham or Canaan were black.

165 allegro  Feb 9, 2015 8:28:29am

re: #161 lawhawk

Lethal anti-vax derp:

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Assault with a deadly weapon is illegal. Unvaccinated germ bombs assault every person they pass with potentially fatal consequences.

166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 8:28:32am

re: #164 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Strictly speaking, not. I mean the race thing, not the slavery thing. The whole “Ham’s curse” is but an interpretation, the Bible nowhere says Ham or Canaan were black.

But it does tell us that slaves should obey their masters.

167 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:30:48am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But it does tell us that slaves should obey their masters.

Those slaves can be of any color.

168 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 8:31:08am

re: #165 allegro

Assault with a deadly weapon is illegal. Unvaccinated germ bombs assault every person they pass with potentially fatal consequences.

Exactly. If you “own” your body, then you are liable for knowingly transmitting a preventable disease.

169 allegro  Feb 9, 2015 8:32:08am

Also enjoying the absolute right to bodily autonomy argument from the anti-vaxers. Aren’t these the same guys who are trying to outlaw women’s rights to theirs?

170 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:32:42am

re: #164 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Strictly speaking, not. I mean the race thing, not the slavery thing. The whole “Ham’s curse” is but an interpretation, the Bible nowhere says Ham or Canaan were black.

It does show that those cursed by god deserve no moral consideration—so it’s no great leap to a lot of nasty.

171 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 9, 2015 8:33:41am

All of the people that were “Sons of Ham” and “Sons of Shem” in the Babble were Semitic-speaking Middle-Eastern tribes—no Hamitic (as we used to call them) speakers at all.

172 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:34:20am

re: #169 allegro

Also enjoying the absolute right to bodily autonomy argument from the anti-vaxers. Aren’t these the same guys who are trying to outlaw women’s rights to theirs?

Anti-vaxer is pretty diffuse—there seems to be an overlap with a bunch of conflicting ideologies.

173 Mike Lamb  Feb 9, 2015 8:34:37am

re: #161 lawhawk

Lethal anti-vax derp:

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Is using a toilet a choice? Should we be able to drop trow and go anywhere?

Or suppose I dump chemicals in the water supply. Is “public health” a myth in that context too?

174 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:34:59am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

It does show that those cursed by god deserve no moral consideration—so it’s no great leap to a lot of nasty.

The thing is, if you say that blacks are cursed by God, you’re not basing it on the Bible.

175 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 9, 2015 8:36:01am

re: #169 allegro

Also enjoying the absolute right to bodily autonomy argument from the anti-vaxers. Aren’t these the same guys who are trying to outlaw women’s rights to theirs?

Just as you own land save for the mineral rights, women own their bodies save for their wombs. It is an article of faith in the RW that wombs must be controlled by those who never had them.

176 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 8:36:21am

re: #173 Mike Lamb

Is using a toilet a choice? Should we be able to drop trow and go anywhere?

Or suppose I dump chemicals in the water supply. Is “public health” a myth in that context too?

The Free Marketeers will tell you that everything should be voluntary, especially road-building.

177 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:36:47am

re: #174 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The thing is, if you say that blacks are cursed by God, you’re not basing it on the Bible.

Quite the contrary—Solomon and all. It does create a bad precedent for treating the target group of the moment.

178 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 9, 2015 8:37:17am

So, my Netgear WNDR3700 finally took a dump. The 2.4ghz radio is dead. Using the 5ghz radio for now, but the range on it sucks. Will not get a signal downstairs. Decided to give TP-Link a try. They have an AC1900 router for a decent price. Even better with Amazon gift card balance. And seeing the tax charge not $0.00 anymore makes me sad.

179 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 8:38:24am

re: #165 allegro

He also spouts off the whole own the body nonsense. They own their kids.

They should own the consequences of not vaccinating - including the costs for allowing epidemics to spread.

Tax the hell out of people who don’t vaccinate their kids. They’re imposing a huge social cost on everyone else, threatening public health at the same time. Those costs are in the billions of dollars a year for allowing these entirely preventable diseases from spreading. /joking, but only just.

180 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:38:52am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

What’s with Solomon?

181 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 9, 2015 8:39:36am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

“If you need his money, you can only take it with his voluntary consent.” I don’t recall anything about Rand canvassing everyone who paid into Social Security when she took their money.

182 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:40:03am

re: #180 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What’s with Solomon?

Quick grab:

biblehub.com

183 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 8:41:49am

re:
#154

BryanJFischer Amen. And isnt it amazing that hateful leftists like @splcenter compare #BLACK Americans who oppose homosexuality to the KKK?
— Peter LaBarbera

Going out on a limb here, but I think Bryan J Fischer and Peter LaBarbera are having a case of the sadz today.

184 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:41:57am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

I guess I’m missing the point. What does that have to do with later interpretations of the curse of Ham?

185 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:42:53am

re: #184 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I guess I’m missing the point. What does that have to do with later interpretations of the curse of Ham?

I’m agreeing with you—it contradicts them.

186 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 8:45:20am
187 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 8:45:39am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Oh. I took “Quite the contrary” to refer to my comment. ;)

188 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 8:53:00am

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Anti-vaxer is pretty diffuse—there seems to be an overlap with a bunch of conflicting ideologies.

we have the anti-Big Pharma/Western Medicine types on one hand and the anti Big Government/Modern Science party on the other.

The result is a critically dangerous mass of derp

189 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:53:06am

Alabama has only been issuing sodomy licenses for a couple hours, and the stock market is already down 46.66 points.

190 Dave In Austin  Feb 9, 2015 8:54:09am
191 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 8:57:06am
192 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 8:58:20am

re: #191 lawhawk

New York City has gone seven straight days without a reported homicide.

Are the cops still pulling their slowdown? Could have something to do with it.

193 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 9:00:19am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

That appears over, and the unions bigwigs have gone into hiding. But the lack of dead bodies is a sure sign that crime is on a downswing here.

194 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 9:01:44am

re: #193 lawhawk

That appears over, and the unions bigwigs have gone into hiding. But the lack of dead bodies is a sure sign that crime is on a downswing here.

Snow days. You’ll have to hold make-up sessions in warmer weather.

195 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 9:03:48am

Rep. Alcee Hastings Says Old Texas Dildo Law Shows The State Is ‘Crazy’

because the video is so worth watching, over and over and over

196 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 9:05:49am

re:
#190

To me, Ted Cruz looks like a revival preacher on late night cable. I guess they like that in Texas.

GOP candidates all look like revival preachers.

197 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 9:06:59am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Don’t understand, Bryan, both viewpoints were based on the Bible…

It takes special powers to understand … .You can have the benefit of Bryan’s Powers. He accepts Mastercard, Visa, American Express, PayPal and cash. You can also leave a provision for him in your will. Ask about “Legacy Giving.”

198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 9:08:43am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

It takes special powers to understand … .You can have the benefit of Bryan’s Powers. He accepts Mastercard, Visa, American Express, PayPal and cash. You can also leave a provision for him in your will. Ask about “Legacy Giving.”

yes, better him than the government: they will just use it for abortions

199 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 9:09:08am

re: #196 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s enough to make you turn blue.

200 Charles Johnson  Feb 9, 2015 9:14:48am

Got followed on Twitter today by Bruce Cockburn’s manager: @BernieFinkelste

202 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 9:17:38am

re: #195 FemNaziBitch

Rep. Alcee Hastings Says Old Texas Dildo Law Shows The State Is ‘Crazy’

because the video is so worth watching, over and over and over
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Alabama will not let Texas out-crazy us.

Alabama Judges Take Hard Line on Dildos

theregister.co.uk

203 Charles Johnson  Feb 9, 2015 9:19:37am
204 Whack-A-Mole  Feb 9, 2015 9:20:57am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

The world can never have enough guns but we MUST restrict the dildos!

Good grief, what the hell is wrong with these people?

205 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 9:21:12am
206 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 9:22:09am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Alabama will not let Texas out-crazy us.

Alabama Judges Take Hard Line on Dildos

theregister.co.uk

INTERNET!!!

207 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 9:23:27am

re: #204 Whack-A-Mole

The world can never have enough guns but we MUST restrict the dildos!

Good grief, what the hell is wrong with these people?

If you call an Alabama legislator a ‘son of a gun”, he’ll take it well, but if you call them ‘dicks’ they get pissy.

208 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 9:23:48am

re:
#203

Lester Holt is still on TV?

/

209 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 9:27:23am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

The Free Marketeers will tell you that everything should be voluntary, especially road-building.

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Private property is not something that exists in nature. The only reason any of us can say we “own” stuff, is because society has decided on a system of private ownership and uses force to maintain it. For the most part, the system works well. However, it does not represent some default, perfect state that other economics systems are a deviation from. Capitalism is as much a creation of the state as socialism.

210 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 9:28:30am

re: #203 Charles Johnson

Of course he’s going after a black guy.

211 Romantic Heretic  Feb 9, 2015 9:28:48am

re: #28 CleverToad

Oysters are, um… interesting

Thinking of an old joke.

A man is vacationing in Spain when he walks by a restaurant. The sign out front is advertising ‘Cojones!’

Intrigued, the man goes inside and order the cojones. So he ends up with set of cooked bull’s testicles sitting on a plate in front of him. “How did I end up with these?” he asks the waiter.

“Well, senor, the local bullfights give them to us. They’re a specialty of our establishment.”

The man cuts a tiny portion of meat free, tries it…and finds it utterly delicious. He wolfs it down, compliments the chef and leaves a big tip he enjoyed it so much.

He enjoyed it so much he goes back the next day so he can have them again.

However this time the cojones are quite a bit smaller. “What is this?” he asks angrily. “I ordered cojones!”

“The bull doesn’t always lose, señor.

212 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 9:28:59am

re: #209 Ace-o-aces

Private property is not something that exists in nature. The only reason any of us can say we “own” stuff, is because society has decided on a system of private ownership and uses force to maintain it. For the most part, the system works well. However, it does not represent some default, perfect state that other economics systems are a deviation from. Capitalism is as much a creation of the state as socialism.

The Garden of Eden LLC was a corporation. Had a snake for a CEO.

213 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 9:29:45am

re: #209 Ace-o-aces

Private property is not something that exists in nature. The only reason any of us can say we “own” stuff, is because society has decided on a system of private ownership and uses force to maintain it. For the most part, the system works well. However, it does not represent some default, perfect state that other economics systems are a deviation from. Capitalism is as much a creation of the state as socialism.

Birds defend their nests, bees their hive, ants their hill, and beavers their dams.

I would say that is private property rights in nature.

214 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 9:30:37am

re: #209 Ace-o-aces

Private property is not something that exists in nature. The only reason any of us can say we “own” stuff, is because society has decided on a system of private ownership and uses force to maintain it. For the most part, the system works well. However, it does not represent some default, perfect state that other economics systems are a deviation from. Capitalism is as much a creation of the state as socialism.

There is a reason they’re called Robber Barons and not Road Building Barons.

215 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 9, 2015 9:30:41am

I can’t bring myself to look: what poor unfortunate performer/band got saddled with the Grammy’s “Best New Artist” Curse?

216 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 9:30:41am

re: #203 Charles Johnson

Seriously, Lester Holt? I remember him from his local Chicago news days. He may not be the world’s blandest human, but he is in the running.

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 9:30:44am

re: #209 Ace-o-aces

Private property is not something that exists in nature. The only reason any of us can say we “own” stuff, is because society has decided on a system of private ownership and uses force to maintain it. For the most part, the system works well. However, it does not represent some default, perfect state that other economics systems are a deviation from. Capitalism is as much a creation of the state as socialism.

I remember this from a discussion in a space computer game. “Ownership” of a star system was simply an informal agreement at the time that someone else was not actively trying to take it away from you.

Which is essentially what property is. A communal agreement that control of an object rests primarily with a particular person or group. Nothing more. Everything beyond that is formalizing the relationship further and adding rules regarding protecting the relationship and controlling the exchange and perceived value of the object.

218 Romantic Heretic  Feb 9, 2015 9:31:35am

re: #32 LastYearsMan

And, as long as I’m being a Cockburn nerd, I hope you don’t mind me posting “Lovers in a Dangerous Time”.
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Video

For some reason that made me think of another Canadian artist I like quite a bit.

219 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 9:32:15am

bbl

220 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 9:33:38am

re: #209 Ace-o-aces

Private property is not something that exists in nature. The only reason any of us can say we “own” stuff, is because society has decided on a system of private ownership and uses force to maintain it. For the most part, the system works well. However, it does not represent some default, perfect state that other economics systems are a deviation from. Capitalism is as much a creation of the state as socialism.

And corporations, especially limited liability corporations, only exist because the government has created a body of laws that allow them to exist in that form.

221 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 9:34:28am

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

Birds defend their nests, bees their hive, ants their hill, and beavers their dams.

I would say that is private property rights in nature.

Really. Do bees exchange currency? Do If you knock over a beaver dam, is the beaver government going to prosecute you in beaver court? Animals defending territory is not the same as a complicated economic system?

222 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 9:35:35am

PHOTO OF THE DAY

223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 9:35:44am

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

Birds defend their nests, bees their hive, ants their hill, and beavers their dams.

I would say that is private property rights in nature.

They do not “own” it, they are using it for a specific purpose, either procreation or gathering food. Their “rights” exist as long as they are physically able to defend them.

224 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 9:36:51am

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

Birds defend their nests, bees their hive, ants their hill, and beavers their dams.

I would say that is private property rights in nature.

It’s active (or other types of) defense of a territory or resource. And the ownership is simply that something else has not taken it away, or is currently not trying.

Which could be that the bees make the price of stealing the honey too high as compared to other options for food (or resources). Libertarian bees keeping away the moocher bears.
///

225 Romantic Heretic  Feb 9, 2015 9:38:06am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

“The Market”

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“The law, in its magnificence, prevents the rich and the poor alike from stealing bread, sleeping under bridges and begging on the streets.” - Anatole France.

Replace ‘law’ with ‘the market’ and we’ve got what the ‘free market capitalists’ believe.

France was being sarcastic by the way.

226 Romantic Heretic  Feb 9, 2015 9:39:46am

re: #66 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That “invisible hand” is really creepy.

Yeah. It goes into orifices that hands shouldn’t go into…

…without lube.

227 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 9:41:07am

re: #225 Romantic Heretic

“The law, in its magnificence, prevents the rich and the poor alike from stealing bread, sleeping under bridges and begging on the streets.” - Anatole France.

Replace ‘law’ with ‘the market’ and we’ve got what the ‘free market capitalists’ believe.

France was being sarcastic by the way.

Though Sir Guy Grand went and slept in the park.
;P

228 iossarian  Feb 9, 2015 9:46:54am

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

Birds defend their nests, bees their hive, ants their hill, and beavers their dams.

To me, ants are pretty much a defining example of a socialist society in action.

229 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 9:47:08am

Judge in a small rural Alabama county:

“In recognition of my oath as a judge, I am sworn to follow the order of the federal courts with respect to same sex marriages.

“My personal beliefs on this issue are entirely immaterial. Further, the canons of judicial ethics preclude a public comment. However, as the last line of my solemn oath reads: “… so help me God.”

230 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 9:47:29am

re: #212 Decatur Deb

The Garden of Eden was a corporation. Had a snake for a CEO.

I’m not trying to bash capitalism. For the most part the system works well. It still needs government intervention to function, and there are many situations where a capitalistic approach doesn’t work. The problem is Libertarians who regard any deviation from “pure” capitalism as an affront to the “natural” order of things.

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 9:49:57am

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

I’m not trying to bash capitalism. For the most part the system works well. It still needs government intervention to function, and there are many situations where a capitalistic approach doesn’t work. The problem is Libertarians who regard any deviation from “pure” capitalism as an affront to the “natural” order of things.

The “Natural Order” is a bloody and violent mess.

232 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 9:51:15am

re:
#229

Not sworn to follow the orders of Justice Moore. How about that?
/

233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 9:52:40am

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

The problem is Libertarians who regard any deviation from “pure” capitalism as an affront to the “natural” order of things.

Exactly. The “Free Market” is not some divinely ordained natural state. It requires an infrastructure to function, both a physical one and a functioning legal/regulatory system.

The latter is important, otherwise, there would be no way of determining whether the price of an object truly reflected the costs involved in manufacturing, using and disposing of it.

In too many cases, the “profits” that corporations make are simply based on the fact that they socialize costs while privatizing the earnings.

234 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 9:53:46am

It’s Paul Ryan wearing an Obama mask

235 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 9:54:19am

Considering that he was back on Twitter less than an hour later, I’m guessing the game didn’t go well for him.

236 sagehen  Feb 9, 2015 9:55:17am

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

I’m not trying to bash capitalism. For the most part the system works well. It still needs government intervention to function, and there are many situations where a capitalistic approach doesn’t work. The problem is Libertarians who regard any deviation from “pure” capitalism as an affront to the “natural” order of things.

I like to think of it as “what if football had no sidelines or goal lines drawn on the field? No clock? No rules about what kind of hits, what kind of weapons, timing of movement? If the number of downs varied by who holds the ball this instant, even if you wrenched it from the other guy/s hands while he was pinned down by the tacklers? No refs to assess penalties?” The game only works because of defined, agreed-upon standards.

237 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 9:56:24am

re: #236 sagehen

I like to think of it as “what if football had no sidelines or goal lines drawn on the field? No clock? No rules about what kind of hits, what kind of weapons, timing of movement? If the number of downs varied by who holds the ball this instant, even if you wrenched it from the other guy/s hands while he was pinned down by the tacklers? No refs to assess penalties?” The game only works because of defined standards.

Traffic lights and signs constitute government interference in our god-given right to travel. Those with the biggest SUV’s will get through…

238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 9:56:31am

re:
#234

So Obama is “shoving grandma off the cliff” now?

These anti-healthcare protesters are getting more sophisticated all the time. ////

239 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 9:57:24am

re: #238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#234

So Obama is “shoving grandma off the cliff” now?

These anti-healthcare protesters are getting more sophisticated all the time. ////

Wingnuts love to say I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!!!!1!!

240 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 9:57:41am

re:
#234

FULL REPEAL!!

The dream never dies…

//

241 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 9:57:58am

It’s all over but the whining from the so-cons.

By refusing to stay the Alabama court decision, the Supreme Court has signaled that it’s going to find that SSM bans are unconstitutional. If they were contemplating a reversal, they would have extended the stay until at least after the Court decides at the end of the term.

Instead, they’re letting the gay marriages move forward, which comes with a number of side benefits - tax, medical, legal, insurance, estate, etc., for gay couples looking to get hitched.

If the Court seriously thinks that they’re going to uphold the gay marriage bans, these gay marriages would be in limbo legally, and present problems across multiple areas of law.

It’s not a 100% done deal, but the SSM ban proponents are going to be spilling lots of bitter tears as their heterosexual marriages are not affected one iota.

242 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 9:59:44am

re: #221 Ace-o-aces

Really. Do bees exchange currency? Do If you knock over a beaver dam, is the beaver government going to prosecute you in beaver court? Animals defending territory is not the same as a complicated economic system?

Well, the animals will attack you and possibly kill you. Humans (most) have decided to use a system of laws as a deterrent to property crimes —instead of the law of the jungle.

243 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 10:02:42am

re: #228 iossarian

To me, ants are pretty much a defining example of a socialist society in action.

Not really. They are not equal. The are bred for specific purposes —no?

those that work, those that breed …

Ants form colonies that range in size from a few dozen predatory individuals living in small natural cavities to highly organised colonies that may occupy large territories and consist of millions of individuals. Larger colonies consist mostly of sterile, wingless females forming castes of “workers”, “soldiers”, or other specialised groups. Nearly all ant colonies also have some fertile males called “drones” and one or more fertile females called “queens”. The colonies are described as superorganisms because the ants appear to operate as a unified entity, collectively working together to support the colony.[6][7]

244 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 10:03:26am

re:
#241

Has SCOTUS explicitly said it is going to rule on SSM this year?

Reason I ask is, if this court doesn’t rule on it, another SCOTUS two+ years from now could, and if a Republican is elected in 2016 and appoints one or two new justices….

If the SCOTUS rules this year, though, it would seem the anti-SSM forces would have a much higher hurdle to overcome.

245 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 10:03:55am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

Well, the animals will attack you and possibly kill you. Humans (most) have decided to use a system of laws as a deterrent to property crimes —instead of the law of the jungle.

Exactly. The laws governing ownership of private property are a deliberate creation of government.

246 iossarian  Feb 9, 2015 10:04:13am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

Not really. They are not equal. The are bred for specific purposes —no?

those that work, those that breed …

Well - more in the sense that they pool resources and don’t have their own separate little ant-apartments in the hill. I didn’t mean that they’re living in a Marxist utopia.

247 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 10:04:30am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

Well, the animals will attack you and possibly kill you. Humans (most) have decided to use a system of laws as a deterrent to property crimes —instead of the law of the jungle.

Stand your Breeding Ground!!!

248 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 10:06:20am

Hey, remember when Dim Jim mistook an obvious joke by Bill Ayers about being owed royalties for “Dreams of My Father” as an admission that he actually wrote the book? I don’t think he understands how humor works.

249 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 10:06:33am

re: #246 iossarian

Well - more in the sense that they pool resources and don’t have their own separate little ant-apartments in the hill. I didn’t mean that they’re living in a Marxist utopia.

You were thiinking of the economic theory of socialism. I tend to focus on the social theory.

250 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 10:08:20am

re: #245 Ace-o-aces

Exactly. The laws governing ownership of private property are a deliberate creation of government.

and government (in theory in the US anyway) is …

people.

Laws are a deliberate creation of people.

I rather like civilization, myself.

YMMV

251 iossarian  Feb 9, 2015 10:08:22am

re: #248 Ace-o-aces

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Hey, remember when Dim Jim mistook an obvious joke by Bill Ayers about being owed royalties for “Dreams of My Father” as an admission that he actually wrote the book? I don’t think he understands how humor works.

In socialist America, the only way dissidents can express the truth is through humor.

252 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 10:09:05am

I have a Five-year-old. You know the difference between a terrorist and a five-year-old? You can negotiate with a terrorist.

253 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 10:09:42am

re: #244 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They are taking up the 6th Circuit decisions to uphold the SSM ban (because there is now a split in the circuits). There are four cases that are being consolidated to address the SSM arguments.

The oral arguments will haven’t been scheduled but would likely be in April, which means that the opinion will be handed down in June.

254 dell*nix  Feb 9, 2015 10:11:22am

OT “The Decent One” documentary about Heinrich Himmler. warhistoryonline.com Based on his personal letters and archive footage.

The scarry ones can be the bland ones that do their jobs with no reguard to the human cost of what they do.

255 FemNaziBitch  Feb 9, 2015 10:11:29am

bbl

256 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 10:14:42am

What is this “dibs” shit going on in Chicago where people are beating each other up & vandalizing vehicles over a parking space?

Another reason I like Detroit. ALL THE PARKING SPACES YOU COULD EVER WANT!!!!!

257 Romantic Heretic  Feb 9, 2015 10:16:38am

re: #236 sagehen

I like to think of it as “what if football had no sidelines or goal lines drawn on the field? No clock? No rules about what kind of hits, what kind of weapons, timing of movement? If the number of downs varied by who holds the ball this instant, even if you wrenched it from the other guy/s hands while he was pinned down by the tacklers? No refs to assess penalties?” The game only works because of defined, agreed-upon standards.

I suspect the anarchists libertarians know this. But they all suffer from ‘Meanest-Son-of-A-Bitch-In-The-Valley’ syndrome. So they believe they’ll be at the top of the pecking order in the anarchy libertarian paradise they believe will come about.

258 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 9, 2015 10:16:51am

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

What is this “dibs” shit going on in Chicago where people are beating each other up over a parking space?

Another reason I like Detroit. ALL THE PARKING SPACES YOU COULD EVER WANT!!!!!

If I was in Chicago in February I’d be more interested in finding a parking spot in Santa Monica.

259 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 9, 2015 10:17:47am

re: #248 Ace-o-aces

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Hey, remember when Dim Jim mistook an obvious joke by Bill Ayers about being owed royalties for “Dreams of My Father” as an admission that he actually wrote the book? I don’t think he understands how humor works.

I think he does very well.

260 Romantic Heretic  Feb 9, 2015 10:19:16am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

Well, the animals will attack you and possibly kill you. Humans (most) have decided to use a system of laws as a deterrent to property crimes —instead of the law of the jungle.

There is only one dangerous animal but most of the time you have to act as if they are as sweet and loving as a cobra. - Robert A. Heinlein

261 Romantic Heretic  Feb 9, 2015 10:20:58am

re: #251 iossarian

In socialist America, the only way dissidents can express the truth is through humor.

Comedy is the least controllable form of language and therefore the form most dangerous to those with power. - John Ralston Saul

262 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 9, 2015 10:21:26am

re: #257 Romantic Heretic

I suspect the anarchists libertarians know this. But they all suffer from ‘Meanest-Son-of-A-Bitch-In-The-Valley’ syndrome. So they believe they’ll be at the top of the pecking order in the anarchy libertarian paradise they believe will come about.

The post-collapse world shall be inherited by the mid-level programmers, shop teachers, and guys with a MENSA card.

It’s fucking axiomatic.

263 Varek Raith  Feb 9, 2015 10:21:48am

re: #259 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I think he does very well.

That’s not what she said.
/humor

264 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 9, 2015 10:24:11am

re: #262 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

The post-collapse world shall be inherited by the mid-level programmers, shop teachers, and guys with a MENSA card.

It’s fucking axiomatic.

What about the Marketing Department at Sirius Cybernetics Corporation? Surely they will have a place in the new world.

265 Dave In Austin  Feb 9, 2015 10:25:46am

re: #241 lawhawk

You forgot Divorce……. Along with the good comes the bad. My good friend and longtime housemate in AZ. would run off and “Get Married” to every other fling she had. I stood with her on one occasion and always gave her my fullest support. The funny thing was when the inevitable blow-up came. They would just up and walk away from it.

They want it, they get it. Lock, Stock, and Barrel.

266 sagehen  Feb 9, 2015 10:26:30am

re: #262 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

The post-collapse world shall be inherited by the mid-level programmers, shop teachers, and guys with a MENSA card.

It’s fucking axiomatic.

In the post-collapse world of “Jeremiah” (everybody past puberty had died 20 years before the story opens), the winners were the groups that had SCA kids and the nerds who’d won their 3rd grade science fairs.

267 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 10:28:22am

Meanwhile, SMOTI and his spinoff, SMOTI Jr are at it:

So much stupid in so few characters.

268 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 10:29:07am

re: #267 lawhawk

Meanwhile, SMOTI and his spinoff, SMOTI Jr are at it:

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So much stupid in so few characters.

I want to be a keynote speaker at CPAC!

269 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 10:29:15am

re: #257 Romantic Heretic

I suspect the anarchists libertarians know this. But they all suffer from ‘Meanest-Son-of-A-Bitch-In-The-Valley’ syndrome. So they believe they’ll be at the top of the pecking order in the anarchy libertarian paradise they believe will come about.

They know they’re wussy feathermerchants, but will hire the platoons of the baddest ex-SOF veterans to maintain their possessions. Yeah, that’ll work.

270 Mike Lamb  Feb 9, 2015 10:36:53am

re: #236 sagehen

I like to think of it as “what if football had no sidelines or goal lines drawn on the field? No clock? No rules about what kind of hits, what kind of weapons, timing of movement? If the number of downs varied by who holds the ball this instant, even if you wrenched it from the other guy/s hands while he was pinned down by the tacklers? No refs to assess penalties?” The game only works because of defined, agreed-upon standards.

They would argue that over time the rules would develop organically. For example, the restaurant that discriminated would be boycotted and eventually go out of business. All other restaurants would learn the lesson, and therefore not discriminate. Likewise, the “dirty” restaurant would get people sick, people would boycott, restaurant goes under, and all other restauarants learn.

Of course, it doesn’t really work that way. And even if it did, it would require millions of people to be treated as second class citizens for years until such time as the “rules” came into existence. Or it would take the deaths of many people before it became the norm to adopt sanitary conditions.

But you know, eggs, omelettes and such.

271 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 9, 2015 10:39:42am

re: #269 Decatur Deb

My impression is that they expect to stand on a hill with a AR-type rifle, scream “Austrian economics,” and then the bikers in fetish gear just flock to you like the penitent to the Temple Mount.

272 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 10:41:08am

WTFITS

273 Decatur Deb  Feb 9, 2015 10:41:25am

re: #271 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

My impression is that they expect to stand on a hill with a AR-type rifle, scream “Austrian economics,” and then the bikers in fetish gear just flock to you like the penitent to the Temple Mount.

Because the Sergeant Major who was cashiered for cannibalism needs their hedge fund management-fu.

274 BeenHereAwhile  Feb 9, 2015 10:43:16am

re: #114 lawhawk

The Mrs. who watched the show, found the whole thing to be meh. The acts weren’t particularly good, auto-tuning everything to bits, and even Paul McCartney was lackluster.

Probably the best bit? Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga (because beneath all of her crazy outfits and persona, the girl has mad skills).

Lady Gaga can sell a song, and sing.

275 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 9, 2015 10:43:54am

And while I wait for the thread to come back to life, here are some pics from this weekend. Vortex and Morrison Springs down in the Florida panhandle. Had a good trip, but not sure that it’s worth a 9 hour drive unless I was going down for a very specific reason. Better diving in a lot of ways closer to the house. Still, we all had a great time.

Vortex Springs
More Vortext
Morrison Springs
Cyprus Trees

Took a bunch of ones of Cyprus trees, I’ve got to play around with them.

RBS

276 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 9, 2015 10:47:10am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

Not really. They are not equal. The are bred for specific purposes —no?

those that work, those that breed …

Hey, they’re just networked by odors and chemicals as compared to “big iron” organisms like us that insist on keeping the whole package physically connected at all times.
/(sorta)

277 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 10:47:11am

“Regulations” that wingnuts LOVE==>

278 #FergusonFireside  Feb 9, 2015 10:48:46am

re: #275 RealityBasedSteve

And while I wait for the thread to come back to life, here are some pics from this weekend. Vortex and Morrison Springs down in the Florida panhandle. Had a good trip, but not sure that it’s worth a 9 hour drive unless I was going down for a very specific reason. Better diving in a lot of ways closer to the house. Still, we all had a great time.

Image: Vortex SpringsImage: More VortextImage: Morrison SpringsImage: Cyprus TreesTook a bunch of ones of Cyprus trees, I’ve got to play around with them.

RBS

Have any close encounters with gators?

279 CuriousLurker  Feb 9, 2015 10:49:22am

re: #275 RealityBasedSteve

I suddenly hear banjo music playing in the disistant background… *shudder*

//

280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 10:50:30am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

“Regulations” that wingnuts LOVE==>

Missouri’s Only Abortion Clinic, Operated by Planned Parenthood, Failed Inspections Twice:

They found that:

The floors were located beneath the ceilings

Openings between the rooms were blocked by doors

Tables and chairs did not match

etc…

281 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 9, 2015 10:51:43am

Of course, not all members of the SCOTUS are happy about the fact that they didn’t issue the stay. Guess who!

282 #FergusonFireside  Feb 9, 2015 10:52:52am

re: #281 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Of course, not all members of the SCOTUS are happy about the fact that they didn’t issue the stay. Guess who!

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283 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 10:53:11am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They found that:

The floors were located beneath the ceilings

Openings between the rooms were blocked by doors

Tables and chairs did not match

etc…

The broom closets were 1/8” too narrow.

284 Timothy Watson  Feb 9, 2015 10:57:03am

My university posted their summer schedule for classes and registration starts next week.

The problem? The class schedule look-up web application has to be the most obsolete and useless thing ever created.

285 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 10:57:44am

Now this idiot has entered my time line with a bunch of Derp:

286 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 9, 2015 10:58:14am

re: #191 lawhawk

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re: #264 RealityBasedSteve

What about the Marketing Department at Sirius Cybernetics Corporation? Surely they will have a place in the new world.

They can hoe weeds out of the bean crop.

287 Timothy Watson  Feb 9, 2015 10:59:17am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

Now this idiot has entered my time line with a bunch of Derp:

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What was Republican Barry Goldwater when he voted against the Civil Rights Act and was nominated for President the same year?

288 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 11:00:14am

Just remember, POTUS is a terrorist sympathizer. That’s why he’s sending US forces against ISIL, and the DoD is providing a service star for that service.

And Steve King is busy providing aid and comfort to terrorists with his childish antics portraying the President as soft on terrorism.

289 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 11:00:33am
290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 11:01:34am

re:
#285

@CharismaMolotov @mdcolliM @viciousbabushka @sdm007s @TheDemocrats What was Democrat Woodrow Wilson when he segregated the blacks?

America had no racial problem until Woodrow Wilson, who was the former governor of New Jersey and was not born or raised in the South. Checkmate, libtards!!! #ConservativeHistory

291 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 11:03:23am

re: #290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#285

America had no racial problem until Woodrow Wilson, who was the former governor of New Jersey and was not born or raised in the South. Checkmate, libtards!!! #ConservativeHistory

Who wasn’t racist 100 years ago? Oh yeah…Communists.

292 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 9, 2015 11:03:55am

re:
#289

Pro-tip, if you’re going to hate-follow someone with a list, give it a name that won’t get you blocked. Bye now dumbass.

Twitter. How does it work?

293 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 11:04:30am

re: #292 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#289

Twitter. How does it work?

whining seems to play a major role

294 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 11:04:47am

re: #293 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The more I hear about how it works, the less I want to know…

295 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 9, 2015 11:06:10am

re: #278 #FergusonFireside

Have any close encounters with gators?

re: #279 CuriousLurker

I suddenly hear banjo music playing in the disistant background… *shudder*

//

CL…You’re not far off with the banjos…. we were joking about it one time when we stopped to fill up the van.

FF… No gators, but at Morrison we did see a water moccasin, about a 3 footer, lying on one of the Cyprus roots. Lucky we didn’t see it until we were DONE diving there.

RBS

296 Ace-o-aces  Feb 9, 2015 11:06:22am

re: #262 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

The post-collapse world shall be inherited by the mid-level programmers, shop teachers, and guys with a MENSA card.

It’s fucking axiomatic.

Will libertarians rule after the government falls? Well, here’s a video of John Stossel getting bitch slapped. Draw your own convulsions on how he would fare.

297 #FergusonFireside  Feb 9, 2015 11:06:47am

re: #295 RealityBasedSteve

CL…You’re not far off with the banjos…. we were joking about it one time when we stopped to fill up the van.

FF… No gators, but at Morrison we did see a water moccasin, about a 3 footer, lying on one of the Cyprus roots. Lucky we didn’t see it until we were DONE diving there.

RBS

Oh yeah!!!

298 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 9, 2015 11:07:21am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It’s in my “Neither-know-nor-want-to-know” file, along with sports and most popculch.

299 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 9, 2015 11:08:41am

re: #298 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s in my “Neither-know-nor-want-to-know” file, along with sports and most popculch.

Only reason I am aware of it to the extent that I am is because it seems to occupy so much thread space here.

300 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 9, 2015 11:09:49am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Who wasn’t racist 100 years ago? Oh yeah…Communists.

ssshhh…shhh.

We’re not supposed to talk about how socialism caught on because there was so much unfair, brutal shit going on that “capitalism” was perfectly happy to put up with.

Ia! Ia! Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Milton Friedman Free market wgah’nagl fhtagn!

301 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 11:10:19am
302 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 9, 2015 11:11:34am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Only reason I am aware of it to the extent that I am is because it seems to occupy so much thread space here.

I guess for bloggers and people who have to keep their eyes on the wingnut-o-sphere, it’s an occupational requirement. Fortunately I’m free to remain blissfully ignorant.

303 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 9, 2015 11:12:39am

re: #300 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

ssshhh…shhh.

We’re not supposed to talk about how socialism caught on because there was so much unfair, brutal shit going on that “capitalism” was perfectly happy to put up with.

Ia! Ia! Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Milton Friedman Free market wgah’nagl fhtagn!

There is a “Milton Friedman Quotes” Twitter feed @MiltonFriedmanS I don’t know if it’s a parody or not, but if Milton Friedman did actually say those quotes, he was fucked up.

304 Amory Blaine  Feb 9, 2015 11:29:13am

Anti gay bigots are puzzled. After school bussing, they could run out to the burbs to be alone with their hatred and away from black people. Nowhere to run from this…


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