The anti-vaccination movement is incredibly self-destructive and flat out stupid, but as John Oliver points out in this excellent segment from Last Week Tonight, the pharmacology industry is not always sane or ethical, either.
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 11:00:36am |
Pharma loves to point out that there are huge sunk costs to recover on drugs because so few of them run the gauntlet to become approved by the FDA or European regulators. Yet they spend far more on advertising (direct to consumer or direct to doctors) than they do on R&D.
There would seem to be something innately wrong with that particular comparison.
Or pharma reformulating a drug or combining two or more compounds into a new drug so as to extend the patent protection (which means delaying the presence of a generic that would further reduce prices since generics are required to be bio-identical).
But many of the issues relate to doctors proffering drugs as a cure to aging (see Viagra, Cialis, etc.) to promote a lifestyle, versus actual medical need.
All these costs add up, but so too those when you’ve got hepatitis or cancer meds that cost tens of thousands of dollars per dose.
Don’t bother trying to figure out what anything costs once you’re in a hospital though, since those costs all vary depending on where you are and how closely you look at the bills (and what your insurance is). Obamacare is starting to open up the books to see what drugs and procedures cost, but it’s still in the early stages of giving people more choice about where to go based on price, but if you’re in an ER, you don’t necessarily have the option to go elsewhere.
There is much that the health care system does right. But there are still significant issues that have to be addressed (not counting that one of the major costs is inadequate infection control allowing secondary infections or readmission after release).
And that includes the fact that the government is cutting back on basic research, which is key to advancing medicine on any number of fronts. For instance, there is a cancer vaccine in the works for triple negative breast cancer. You’d think that would be a huge deal. It is.
You’d think that a vaccine that would protect against cervical cancer would be a huge deal too. Well, there is one. And it’s just been improved to address even more types of cervical cancer. You might have heard of this particular vaccine: it’s the HPV vaccine, but anti-vaxxers and right wing nutters think that it promotes promiscuity or worse.
Instead, it would greatly reduce the chances of getting cervical cancer, and doing so would reduce health care spending on cervical cancer significantly over time. Consider that a person may spend tens of thousands of dollars or more (after insurance) on cancer treatment. The vaccine would completely eliminate that spending over time. That’s billions of dollars saved - all for a nominal cost for a vaccine.
/spent way too much time in hospitals caring for loved ones in recent months to not rant on about all this. And that’s yet another reason I can’t stop talking about vaccinations either since far too many people aren’t getting vaccinated and increase chances that someone who can’t get vaccinated b/c of illness, age, or immune-compromised will get infected and possibly suffer complications.
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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 10, 2015 11:17:46am |
Next to Wall Street, Big Pharma is the biggest racket in the country.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 11:20:39am |
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Dr Lizardo Feb 10, 2015 11:21:05am |
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Feb 10, 2015 11:21:53am |
Do not forget that fear and loathing of Big Pharma is one of the driving forces behind the antivax campaign. The industry is doing very little to change its image.
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Timothy Watson Feb 10, 2015 11:22:44am |
Hmm, you can get Crusader Kings II and all the DLC for $39.99 on Steam.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 11:22:50am |
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GlutenFreeJesus Feb 10, 2015 11:23:43am |
re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth
Piethulu.
Ugh. VB beat me to it while I was trying to figure out the speeling….
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Ace-o-aces Feb 10, 2015 11:24:14am |
It used to be a lot worse. When I was in Med-School, drug companies would shower you with free food and gifts. There are more restrictions in place now, especially in med-schools and government institutions. (I haven’t gotten lunch from a drug rep for years). Even little nick-knacks like pens with a drug’s name on it have been eliminated (Disclosure: I used to sell my Viagra pens on ebay for a few extra bucks when I was a resident).
The biggest problem I face is patients who see those ads on TV and come in demanding meds or tests they don’t need. Ends up wasting time and money.
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 11:26:42am |
re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth
So do you eat the pie or does the pie eat you?
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 11:27:56am |
re: #14 A Cranky One
So do you eat the pie or does the pie eat you?
Dunno…
But MrBWS just saw the picture and is demanding that I make one.
(He likes “fun” food.)
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Feb 10, 2015 11:28:11am |
That is not dead that can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons may become a pie.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 11:28:48am |
re: #13 Ace-o-aces
It used to be a lot worse. When I was in Med-School, drug companies would shower you with free food and gifts. There are more restrictions in place now, especially in med-schools and government institutions. (I haven’t gotten lunch from a drug rep for years). Even little nick-knacks like pens with a drug’s name on it have been eliminated (Disclosure: I used to sell my Viagra pens on ebay for a few extra bucks when I was a resident).
The biggest problem I face is patients who see those ads on TV and come in demanding meds or tests they don’t need. Ends up wasting time and money.
I see that the ads on broadcast TV are targeted at viewers who probably do not know how to TiVO. Even “On Demand” shows contain drug ads. A lot of these drugs are intended to be taken as “supplements” for other drugs that are already being taken.
Also the doublespeed disclaimers in every ad:
riskofstrokekidneyfailuresuddendeathbrainhemorrhagebleedingsuddendeathweightgainheartattacksuddendeath
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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 10, 2015 11:29:07am |
re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth
Dunno…
But MrBWS just saw the picture and is demanding that I make one.
(He likes “fun” food.)
Been keeping you and MrBWS in thoughts over here. I would tell him he gets to be involved in the making.
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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 10, 2015 11:31:01am |
re: #13 Ace-o-aces
The biggest problem I face is patients who see those ads on TV and come in demanding meds or tests they don’t need. Ends up wasting time and money.
Direct advertising of prescription drugs is illegal in most developed countries. Gee, do you think they might be on to something?
Are there really doctors out there who will prescribe anything a patient asks for?
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 11:32:13am |
re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Been keeping you and MrBWS in thoughts over here. I would tell him he gets to be involved in the making.
Thanks.
I’ve got a pot of chili simmering and he helped with the actually mincing of the stew beef.
He has a PETscan scheduled for tomorrow and one of the prep instructions is to eat a lot of protein and no carbs.
(He likes what “PET” means: Positron Emission Tomography. He’s hoping that Data will be doing the scan…)
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Kragar Feb 10, 2015 11:32:18am |
Alabama’s Roy Moore: I blocked gay marriages because father-daughter weddings were next http://t.co/Emqwlt3eAg— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 10, 2015
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 11:32:30am |
re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth
Dunno…
But MrBWS just saw the picture and is demanding that I make one.
(He likes “fun” food.)
Serve it for desert after having this for the main course:
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 11:32:52am |
re: #14 A Cranky One
So do you eat the pie or does the pie eat you?
Don’t know…but I am willing to make that determination. Yum!
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 11:33:12am |
re: #22 A Cranky One
Serve it for desert after having this for the main course:
[Embedded content]
“Turducken goes to Sea”
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 11:34:16am |
re: #22 A Cranky One
I love me some seafood but that does not look appetizing at all.
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Dr Lizardo Feb 10, 2015 11:35:02am |
re: #22 A Cranky One
Serve it for desert after having this for the main course:
[Embedded content]
Facehugger meets Cthulhu?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Feb 10, 2015 11:36:28am |
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Kragar Feb 10, 2015 11:37:07am |
re: #25 WhatEVs
I love me some seafood but that does not look appetizing at all.
Maybe you would prefer the soup?
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 11:38:50am |
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 11:39:48am |
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Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD Feb 10, 2015 11:40:20am |
re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth
That’s some great old pie.
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Kragar Feb 10, 2015 11:40:22am |
re: #29 The Vicious Babushka
*vomits*
Its already dead. Its the soy sauce reacting with the tentacles.
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Dr Lizardo Feb 10, 2015 11:40:23am |
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Dr Lizardo Feb 10, 2015 11:40:39am |
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Feb 10, 2015 11:40:46am |
re: #27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Man calls 911 for help after his girlfriend is stabbed, is shot by police coming to “help”.
Add to list of things to do in order not to be shot by police: do not call them.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 11:41:01am |
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 11:41:25am |
re: #33 Dr Lizardo
Hmm……personally, I prefer my food dead, or least not screaming “Oh God kill me!!”, which I presume it would were that possible.
Dead things are my favorite food too!
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Feb 10, 2015 11:41:44am |
re: #32 Kragar
Its already dead. Its the soy sauce reacting with the tentacles.
But if you like your seafood fresh, that is a good sign that it is still nearly kicking.
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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 10, 2015 11:43:18am |
re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth
Thanks.
I’ve got a pot of chili simmering and he helped with the actually mincing of the stew beef.
He has a PETscan scheduled for tomorrow and one of the prep instructions is to eat a lot of protein and no carbs.
(He likes what “PET” means: Positron Emission Tomography. He’s hoping that Data will be doing the scan…)
I recommend a surprise of a cat (possibly of the stuffed animal variety) named Spot.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 11:44:22am |
Where can I find a good (kosher) chili recipe?
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 11:45:22am |
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 11:46:16am |
Developing:
Law enforcement sources: Officer Peter Liang has been indicted in the shooting death of Akai Gurley. http://t.co/oCiIwkF2vN— NY1 News (@NY1) February 10, 2015
This was the case where the cops were doing a sweep through an apartment building and Gurley was taking the stairs because the elevator was taking too long to come. He was walking down as Officer Liang was going up - and Liang shot him dead. The NYPD immediately called it accidental, but it went to policy and practice and failures of both.
I’m glad that an indictment was returned, but that’s still a far cry from a conviction (or plea deal).
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 11:47:04am |
re: #27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Man calls 911 for help after his girlfriend is stabbed, is shot by police coming to “help”.
That’s the saddest goddamn story I have read in the last four days of reading Police Killed X. They killed the fucking dog and charged the guy they killed? Are you kidding? “Sir, you’re under arrest for making us shoot you. Go die quietly now.”
Fuckity Fucking Fucksicks.
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Kragar Feb 10, 2015 11:47:08am |
Let it hereby be noted that I do condemn the people of Louisiana.
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Charles Johnson Feb 10, 2015 11:47:50am |
Oh, I see the White House press corps is freaking out about another out of context Obama quote pushed by the right wing. SSDD.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2015
Obama said, “it's entirely legitimate… to be concerned when you've got a bunch of of violent, vicious zealots who behead people…” /1— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2015
But hey, let's everybody focus on the word “randomly.” /2— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2015
New off-limits word for Presidential statements: “random.” Will cause gigantic freakouts. Must avoid at all costs.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2015
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 11:48:36am |
re: #43 WhatEVs
As previously noted, it’s already dead. Just reacting to the salt in the soy sauce.
Know what happens when you salt fresh frog legs? (not for the squeamish)
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Kragar Feb 10, 2015 11:49:19am |
re: #43 WhatEVs
Jesus Christ. They’re torturing a live thing for…fun? Just fucking kill it already.
Excuse me while I go puke. BRB.
As noted before, its dead. There is a reaction triggered by chemicals in the soy sauce which reacts with the cells in the tentacles which cause it to spasm.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 11:49:26am |
re: #48 A Cranky One
I saw that after I posted. I think I am going to pass watching these videos for a while.
I might be scarred for life.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 11:49:32am |
re: #42 The Vicious Babushka
Where can I find a good (kosher) chili recipe?
Mine should work:
Stew beef minced to the size you prefer.
Onion
Garlic
One can tomato soup (I use Progresso’s Tomato and Basil)
One can kidney/chili beans (if you like beans in your chili)
Chili powder to taste.
All measurements are up to the cook.
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Dr Lizardo Feb 10, 2015 11:50:08am |
re: #43 WhatEVs
Jesus Christ. They’re torturing a live thing for…fun? Just fucking kill it already.
Excuse me while I go puke. BRB.
No, it’s dead. This YouTube vid explains it:
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 11:51:03am |
re: #47 Charles Johnson
My cat is sad because he has heard a young cat say “OMG that is so random!” about something that isn't random at all. pic.twitter.com/AnPrrY7W6p— WHY MY CAT IS SAD (@MYSADCAT) August 2, 2014
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Ace-o-aces Feb 10, 2015 11:51:26am |
re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg
Direct advertising of prescription drugs is illegal in most developed countries. Gee, do you think they might be on to something?
Are there really doctors out there who will prescribe anything a patient asks for?
If you have a busy practice, seeing 30 patients a day and some guy with a cold demands “antibiotics”, would you rather spend the time explaining why this is a bad idea, or just shoot off a script for azithromycin and move on? I usually take the time to explain why they don’t need that drug, but I have a fixed salary position. Someone with their own practice doesn’t have that luxury.
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Feb 10, 2015 11:51:34am |
Conservatives before Obama’s prayer speech: We’re against any kind of censorship or restriction of speech of any kind, even speech that offends certain people. We oppose any limits to speech based on “political correctness” just because some people are offended.
Conservatives after Obama’s Prayer speech: How dare Obama say anything bad about my Christian faith or my Christian forefathers—Obama is anti-Christian and must apologize for offending us.
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 11:51:34am |
re: #50 WhatEVs
I saw that after I posted. I think I am going to pass watching these videos for a while.
I might be scarred for life.
Sorry. Thought this thread was about making people want pharmaceuticals. <evil grin>
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Feb 10, 2015 11:53:36am |
re: #21 Kragar
OK, but father-daughter weddings would meet the “one man, one woman” requirement. //
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 11:54:31am |
re: #56 A Cranky One
Sorry. Thought this thread was about making people want pharmaceuticals. <evil grin>
I def want some good pharmaceuticals now. Mind altering, please.
re: #52 Dr Lizardo
No, it’s dead. This YouTube vid explains it:
Did you hear the guy laugh when he said “go ahead and eat it”? That was the most evil laugh ever. That “professor” is in on it, I tells ya!
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 11:55:50am |
Shove a thrashing squid in Bryan’s mouth hole.
Judge Moore just like MLK, Jr: making a non-violent stand against tyranny http://t.co/evDVZdws6f #Vimeo— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) February 10, 2015
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nearly-headless smith25 Feb 10, 2015 11:57:01am |
re: #44 lawhawk
This could be a big deal. Agreed that an Indictment is a far cry from a conviction, but to get this to happen is important.
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Feb 10, 2015 11:57:55am |
re: #59 The Vicious Babushka
Shove a thrashing squid in Bryan’s mouth hole.
[Embedded content]
TYRANNY!!!!!!! in Alabama from SSM!!!!!!
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 11:58:33am |
re: #59 The Vicious Babushka
Thashing squid and frog legs I can take. But Bryan Fischer? Now I want to vomit.
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Feb 10, 2015 11:59:33am |
Dental appointment this morning, working from home this afternoon, kitteh interrupting work.
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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 10, 2015 12:02:08pm |
re: #64 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Dental appointment this morning, working from home this afternoon, kitteh interrupting work.
Husband is working from home today after coming home yesterday with a 102 degree fever. At 11pm. Like you do.
/sigh
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Feb 10, 2015 12:02:47pm |
re: #32 Kragar
Its already dead. Its the soy sauce reacting with the tentacles.
Bill Frist just saw that video and he begs to disagree.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:03:14pm |
re: #65 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Did they determine what was wrong with him? You’ve both been in my thoughts.
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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 10, 2015 12:05:34pm |
re: #67 WhatEVs
Did they determine what was wrong with him? You’ve both been in my thoughts.
The conclusion of that whole mess remains “probably sinuses reacting badly to pressure changes while flying” plus his whole idiosyncratic reaction to pain.
The final bill for the hospital showed up yesterday, although the travel insurance the office had is covering everything. Still, for all he had done, the full total being under 3,000 pounds isn’t that bad.
This is just …a stomach flu is the current guess. I told him if it is the real flu and he gives it to me it will not be pretty. (I didn’t get a flu shot, but I work at home and don’t go out much.)
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Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD Feb 10, 2015 12:06:55pm |
re: #59 The Vicious Babushka
Shove a thrashing squid in Bryan’s mouth hole.
[Embedded content]
He might like it though.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:09:13pm |
re: #68 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I am glad he’s doing better.
I work at home, too, and got flu, pneumonia and a shingles shots. All someone has to do is look at me funny and I get sick. Plus, my allergies weaken the immune system so I would rather shot up then wind up on my back with some god forsaken illness. I don’t do sick well. I hate everyone around me when I get sick. I am not a nice person and crawl into bed and hide under the covers until I feel human again. I’m lucky they don’t throw me in prison I am such an asshole when I am sick.
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Dave In Austin Feb 10, 2015 12:09:57pm |
Thanks Brian, It's because of people like you that I have given up on Christianity. Thanks for sealing the deal. @BryanJFischer
— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) February 10, 2015
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calochortus Feb 10, 2015 12:11:08pm |
re: #70 WhatEVs
I am glad he’s doing better.
I work at home, too, and got flu, pneumonia and a shingles shots. All someone has to do is look at me funny and I get sick. Plus, my allergies weaken the immune system so I would rather shot up then wind up on my back with some god forsaken illness. I don’t do sick well. I hate everyone around me when I get sick. I am not a nice person and crawl into bed and hide under the covers until I feel human again. I’m lucky they don’t throw me in prison I am such an asshole when I am sick.
Vaccines obviously save lives.
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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 10, 2015 12:11:39pm |
re: #70 WhatEVs
I haven’t had the flu since I was 10 (and pretty sure I haven’t had the flu shot since well before then because needles and I don’t get along well, although it is less bad than it used to be). I am one of those people with a disgustingly strong immune system.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:12:51pm |
re: #71 Dave In Austin
We should thank @BryanJFischer for showing everyone the truth about religion. This is why so many turn away. @DaveoutofAustin— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) February 10, 2015
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allegro Feb 10, 2015 12:13:12pm |
I will never have a glimmer of understanding how anyone, anywhere can be even remotely tyrannized by someone else getting married.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:13:56pm |
re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I haven’t had the flu since I was 10 (and pretty sure I haven’t had the flu shot since well before then because needles and I don’t get along well, although it is less bad than it used to be). I am one of those people with a disgustingly strong immune system.
And to think that I used to like you so much! ;-)
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 12:14:02pm |
Back on the topic of the thread, it’s a big problem, and not one I see an easy solution to. On the one hand, if it all depended on doing things for the good of mankind, honestly, we wouldn’t have a lot of the drugs we have now. On the other hand, the focus on making a slightly different version of a current drug to keep your patent protection alive, then spending more on advertizing than you do on R&D is galling.
But what’s the alternative? We complain about Pharma spending so much on promotion, but doctors have a huge number of drugs to choose from, and it’s expecting a lot for them to know all the research on all of them And the revenues from Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, etc pay for R&D on cancer drugs as well.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:14:29pm |
re: #75 allegro
I will never have a glimmer of understanding how anyone, anywhere can be even remotely tyrannized by someone else getting married.
TEH CAKE BAKERS!!!!! THINK OF TEH TERRORIZED CAKE BAKERS!!!!!!
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jaunte Feb 10, 2015 12:14:56pm |
re: #75 allegro
Since we saw those people on the news waiting to get married, my husband can’t stop thinking about gay sex!!!
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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 10, 2015 12:14:59pm |
re: #76 WhatEVs
And to think that I used to like you so much! ;-)
I’d lend you some of my immunity but that’s sort of what vaccines do, right?
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calochortus Feb 10, 2015 12:15:31pm |
re: #75 allegro
I will never have a glimmer of understanding how anyone, anywhere can be even remotely tyrannized by someone else getting married.
But, but, I won’t be a special little snowflake anymore.
/
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 12:16:28pm |
re: #75 allegro
I will never have a glimmer of understanding how anyone, anywhere can be even remotely tyrannized by someone else getting married.
Well, for a while I thought that when a particular old girlfriend of mine got married (to someone else), I’d be very upset. So, there’s that.
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allegro Feb 10, 2015 12:17:31pm |
re: #79 jaunte
Since we saw those people on the news waiting to get married, my husband can’t stop thinking about gay sex!!!
Ohhhhhhh… I think we have a winner.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 12:17:34pm |
re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I’d lend you some of my immunity but that’s sort of what vaccines do, right?
Plus if you tried to, your strong immune system might actually attack her. See Graft Versus Host Disease.
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calochortus Feb 10, 2015 12:18:03pm |
re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White
The other part of the problem is people who just want to take a pill and have all their problems solved.
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Dr. Matt Feb 10, 2015 12:19:21pm |
Anti-vaxxers annoy as much as Trufers and Birfers. I wonder what a venn diagram of those three groups looks like?
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:19:36pm |
re: #85 calochortus
The other part of the problem is people who just want to take a pill and have all their problems solved.
That’s part of my generation. Oh, you have a cold? Here, take some antibiotics and call me in 14 days. Nothing like building up resistance to antibiotics, and for me, candidiasis (a build up of yeast which really messes with the insides).
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Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD Feb 10, 2015 12:20:49pm |
God’s face is creepy!
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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 10, 2015 12:21:06pm |
re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White
Plus if you tried to, your strong immune system might actually attack her. See Graft Versus Host Disease.
Now I get to picture my immune system with little teeth gnawing on things.
Sibling feels like her interview went well, hopefully she’ll know by the end of the week. Keep fingers crossed please!
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 12:21:54pm |
re: #85 calochortus
The other part of the problem is people who just want to take a pill and have all their problems solved.
But there are also those for whom those pills are nothing short of miraculous. For every point, there’s a counterpoint, which is why it’s such a thorny issue. Pharma for profit simultaneously leads to lifesaving drugs and perverts the focus of research.
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 12:21:57pm |
re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White
I’d suggest banning all direct to public advertising. For one thing, why should anyone need to see a commercial that requires a laundry list of potentially fatal side effects for a drug that will make my eyelashes longer (Latisse).
That drug is a repackaged version of an older glaucoma drug (a real medical condition that if untreated will result in blindness), once people started realizing that longer and fuller lashes were a side effect.
You also see manufacturers offering new uses for old drugs, which are repackaged/formulated for different uses. Cyclosporine was one of the first anti-rejection drugs (immunosuppressant for transplants). Now, it’s also used for dry eye (Restasis).
These aren’t trivial drugs - they have potentially deadly side effects, but remember, you’re supposed to talk to your doctor about this.
In a print setting, there’s usually a full page advertisement, followed by an endless stream of side effects and warnings. That’s just not the case on tv ads.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:22:02pm |
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:22:27pm |
re: #89 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Positive thoughts going your (and her) way!
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Dave In Austin Feb 10, 2015 12:22:30pm |
Mom!!! Morning Joe is being a dick again…. Make him stop!! http://t.co/f91FaPLwMf via @sharethis
— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) February 10, 2015
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Mike Lamb Feb 10, 2015 12:23:43pm |
re: #75 allegro
I will never have a glimmer of understanding how anyone, anywhere can be even remotely tyrannized by someone else getting married.
Well you haven’t been frog marched down to the court house to be forcibly gay married yet, have you? Because that’s what’s coming, donchyaknow?
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Dr Lizardo Feb 10, 2015 12:23:44pm |
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Kragar Feb 10, 2015 12:23:49pm |
CDC Director Shuts Down GOP Senator's Immigrant Measles Theory @TPM http://t.co/ZPwc2B0Abq— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) February 10, 2015
“Tell me, of those infected in the California epidemic, how many were native born Americans and how many had immigrated here?” Cassidy, himself a physician, asked Dr. Anne Schuchat of the CDC in a Senate hearing on vaccinations.
“Most of the importation that we have of measles each year are in Americans who are traveling abroad and come back,” she answered, specifying that the Americans in question were born in the U.S.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:25:27pm |
re: #91 lawhawk
My husband’s favorite commercial was for some drug for athlete’s foot (or some type of similar fungus) which included death (amongst about 14 other) possible side effect(s). Now we play a sort of game. We always listen to the list of side effects to determine if the risk would be worth it if we had whatever the problem is.
I think I would prefer to live with athlete’s foot rather than risk death. I guess I am just funny that way.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 12:27:17pm |
re: #91 lawhawk
I’d suggest banning all direct to public advertising. For one thing, why should anyone need to see a commercial that requires a laundry list of potentially fatal side effects for a drug that will make my eyelashes longer (Latisse).
That drug is a repackaged version of an older glaucoma drug (a real medical condition that if untreated will result in blindness), once people started realizing that longer and fuller lashes were a side effect.
You also manufacturers offering new uses for old drugs, which are repackaged/formulated for different uses. Cyclosporine was one of the first anti-rejection drugs (immunosuppressant for transplants). Now, it’s also used for dry eye (Restasis).
These aren’t trivial drugs - they have potentially deadly side effects, but remember, you’re supposed to talk to your doctor about this.
In a print setting, there’s usually a full page advertisement, followed by an endless stream of side effects and warnings. That’s just not the case on tv ads.
No, but there’s usually a laundry list of fairly unappetizing side effects at the end of every ad.
The thing is, ideally we’d all be knowledgeable consumers of pharmaceuticals. That is, when our doctors prescribe something for us, we’d look into it, even look into alternatives. We’d be able to have an intelligent conversation about potential issues. Instead, we depend on our Docs, because most people can’t grasp basic probability, let alone statistical analysis, so they have no idea how to interpret the information.
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nines09 Feb 10, 2015 12:28:01pm |
re: #27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Reason #457 why the cops showing up can be the worst thing to happen.
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 12:28:16pm |
re: #87 WhatEVs
That’s part of my generation. Oh, you have a cold? Here, take some antibiotics and call me in 14 days. Nothing like building up resistance to antibiotics, and for me, candidiasis (a build up of yeast which really messes with the insides).
Yup. A lot of folks go to see a doctor and expect that they will get a prescription. And are annoyed and upset if they don’t.
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 12:31:03pm |
re: #99 WhatEVs
Yeah, I play that game too, but then I’ve got a family member who’s dealing with a chronic condition and trying to get them to take meds is a constant fight because she reads the side effects and thinks every last one will happen to her, or that any/all will be permanent (including death, heart conditions, etc.) So it’s a struggle to balance the need to get accurate information about these meds from the doctors and understanding the risks of doing nothing for their condition.
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calochortus Feb 10, 2015 12:32:54pm |
re: #87 WhatEVs
That’s part of my generation. Oh, you have a cold? Here, take some antibiotics and call me in 14 days. Nothing like building up resistance to antibiotics, and for me, candidiasis (a build up of yeast which really messes with the insides).
I’m not sure which generation you’re a part of, but at the tender age of 61 that was never a part of my culture. I have known people of all ages who think antibiotics will cure a cold.
(Note: not meant to sound snarky-I’m just not sure that it is entirely a generational thing.)
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 12:33:06pm |
re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White
No, but there’s usually a laundry list of fairly unappetizing side effects at the end of every ad.
The thing is, ideally we’d all be knowledgeable consumers of pharmaceuticals. That is, when our doctors prescribe something for us, we’d look into it, even look into alternatives. We’d be able to have an intelligent conversation about potential issues. Instead, we depend on our Docs, because most people can’t grasp basic probability, let alone statistical analysis, so they have no idea how to interpret the information.
I always take it as a positive sign when I see my physician checking the PDR. I’ve made it a habit to do so after getting a prescription and have discovered on occasion that I’ve been prescribed something which is contraindicated with my medical history. Let’s face it, remembering every contraindication for every drug is nearly impossible.
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Justanotherhuman Feb 10, 2015 12:33:30pm |
Roy Moore is a disgusting dick who doesn’t give a damn for the process of law. You’d think the man never went to school.
He still thinks the bible is the law that rules everything for every single person.
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calochortus Feb 10, 2015 12:35:17pm |
re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White
But there are also those for whom those pills are nothing short of miraculous. For every point, there’s a counterpoint, which is why it’s such a thorny issue. Pharma for profit simultaneously leads to lifesaving drugs and perverts the focus of research.
Absolutely true.
Antibiotics in particular are miraculous drugs. People used to die of all sorts of infections that are considered trivial today. That’s why we like to abuse them so much.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:37:20pm |
re: #104 calochortus
I’m not sure which generation you’re a part of, but at the tender age of 61 that was never a part of my culture. I have known people of all ages who think antibiotics will cure a cold.
(Note: not meant to sound snarky-I’m just not sure that it is entirely a generational thing.)
There is no such recognized medical condition as “a cold” it’s just a collection of symptoms. That’s why there is no cure.
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Justanotherhuman Feb 10, 2015 12:37:24pm |
re: #105 A Cranky One
I always take it as a positive sign when I see my physician checking the PDR. I’ve made it a habit to do so after getting a prescription and have discovered on occasion that I’ve been prescribed something which is contraindicated with my medical history. Let’s face it, remembering every contraindication for every drug is nearly impossible.
It takes only a few seconds on the internet to find out the contraindications for any drug, and while the interactions with other drugs may not be a complete list, any competent dr can find out fairly quickly what they are.
A well-trained pharmacist who is looking out for the patient will also catch any thing that could affect taking another drug. Mine has been right on more than one occasion.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:37:38pm |
re: #103 lawhawk
I know. I am sorry for your relative.
It’s easy to play our game when we don’t have any of those conditions. And I would never say anything to anyone else.
Up here in Canada, it’s illegal to advertise like that. We see US commercials but you can’t advertise or put up billboards or any of that stuff. For this ex-pat, it’s quite refreshing.
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Charles Johnson Feb 10, 2015 12:38:29pm |
Obama, Jan.27: “Terrorist attacks in Paris serve as a painful reminder… to condemn and combat rising anti-Semitism in all its forms”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2015
@Green_Footballs But hey, let's just forget about that - he said “RANDOM!”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2015
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calochortus Feb 10, 2015 12:39:15pm |
re: #108 The Vicious Babushka
There is no such recognized medical condition as “a cold” it’s just a collection of symptoms. That’s why there is no cure.
That, and the fact that the rhinovirus family is very large and changeable.
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withak Feb 10, 2015 12:40:13pm |
“In the spirit of transparency, I am posting the emails of my governorship here,” a note on Bush’s website says. “Some are funny; some are serious; some I wrote in frustration.” Some also contain the email addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, and social security numbers of Florida residents.
Emphasis in original.
What a clusterfuck.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:40:40pm |
re: #109 Justanotherhuman
It takes only a few seconds on the internet to find out the contraindications for any drug, and while the interactions with other drugs may not be a complete list, any competent dr can find out fairly quickly what they are.
A well-trained pharmacist who is looking out for the patient will also catch any thing that could affect taking another drug. Mine has been right on more than one occasion.
Zedushka takes a shitload of drugs prescribed by different physicians (one of his doctors actually exclaimed YOU TAKE A SHITLOAD OF DRUGS!!!!) and they interact in various ways that the medical professionals have not been able to identify.
There are some days that he just sit around in his PJ’s, zoned out, watching TV, eating junk, and he says it’s his meds.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 12:40:42pm |
re: #107 calochortus
Absolutely true.
Antibiotics in particular are miraculous drugs. People used to die of all sorts of infections that are considered trivial today. That’s why we like to abuse them so much.
Yep. One of my ancestors in the 20th Century died of an infection from shaving the head off a boil.
Here’s a key place where profit perverts discovery. The next generation of antibiotics - the ones we hope will supplant Vancomycin as resistant bugs appear - will not make much profit. It will be used as sparingly as possible, as Vancomycin now is. It will take lots and lots of money to bring it to market, possibly more than it will recoup.
Arguably, a Pharmaceutical company has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders NOT to invest in research in to the next generation of antibiotics for this very reason.
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Charles Johnson Feb 10, 2015 12:41:55pm |
It really isn't difficult to find statements by Obama condemning the antisemitic motives of the Paris terrorists. WTF is with this freakout?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2015
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 12:42:07pm |
re: #109 Justanotherhuman
It takes only a few seconds on the internet to find out the contraindications for any drug, and while the interactions with other drugs may not be a complete list, any competent dr can find out fairly quickly what they are.
A well-trained pharmacist who is looking out for the patient will also catch any thing that could affect taking another drug. Mine has been right on more than one occasion.
Agreed, but sometimes drugs are contraindicated due to a medical condition instead of a drug interaction; the pharmacist can’t catch those issues.
Also, many people ingest substances which can cause interactions but people don’t think of them as drugs. Caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, herbs, etc. When you add OTC drugs in the mix it can get really scary.
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Feline Fearless Leader Feb 10, 2015 12:42:30pm |
re: #42 The Vicious Babushka
Where can I find a good (kosher) chili recipe?
I’d start by looking up vegetarian chile recipes. You can often substitute a grain for the meat. (My brother uses pearl barley and I have used cracked buckwheat myself.)
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:45:10pm |
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:45:13pm |
re: #104 calochortus
I am 56. I think it was far more prevalent back when I was a kid than it is now. I could be wrong. I don’t have kids so I don’t know what it’s like to go to a pediatrician any longer.
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BeachDem Feb 10, 2015 12:46:58pm |
re: #110 WhatEVs
I know. I am sorry for your relative.
It’s easy to play our game when we don’t have any of those conditions. And I would never say anything to anyone else.
Up here in Canada, it’s illegal to advertise like that. We see US commercials but you can’t advertise or put up billboards or any of that stuff. For this ex-pat, it’s quite refreshing.
I believe the only two countries that allow direct to consumer drug advertising are the US and New Zealand. (I was writing an article about it, but can’t seem to find my notes.)
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 12:47:57pm |
re: #42 The Vicious Babushka
Where can I find a good (kosher) chili recipe?
Civil war will erupt unless I ask the question that need be asked: are you looking for a recipe with beans or non-bean chili?
Because there’s a joy of kosher cooking chili that includes beans, but there are any number of versions that omit the beans and add other vegetables instead, including peppers of all sorts.
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Higgs Boson's Mate Feb 10, 2015 12:47:58pm |
re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White
But there are also those for whom those pills are nothing short of miraculous. For every point, there’s a counterpoint, which is why it’s such a thorny issue. Pharma for profit simultaneously leads to lifesaving drugs and perverts the focus of research.
Well said, particularly for those of us who grew up when polio was rampant and tuberculosis a death sentence. I think that it’s a part of human nature to believe that there’s a medication to relieve one of any ailment or discomfort and that medicines are invariably good for you.
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 12:49:04pm |
re: #119 The Vicious Babushka
That was probably habit. Cholent isn’t all that far off from chili. Just need to boost the spices to get to chili.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:49:56pm |
re: #123 lawhawk
Civil war will erupt unless I ask the question that need be asked: are you looking for a recipe with beans or non-bean chili?
Because there’s a joy of kosher cooking chili that includes beans, but there are any number of versions that omit the beans and add other vegetables instead, including peppers of all sorts.
My recent failure had beans, so I’m looking for a no-beaner.
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 12:51:23pm |
re: #114 The Vicious Babushka
Zedushka takes a shitload of drugs prescribed by different physicians (one of his doctors actually exclaimed YOU TAKE A SHITLOAD OF DRUGS!!!!) and they interact in various ways that the medical professionals have not been able to identify.
There are some days that he just sit around in his PJ’s, zoned out, watching TV, eating junk, and he says it’s his meds.
I make it a habit to review my prescriptions with my physicians, asking if any can be eliminated. I think it’s incredibly naive to think that all drugs are checked for interactions with all other drugs. Our bodes are basically big chemical factories and they are dynamic. Add in the things we ingest that we don’t think of as drugs and it gets complicated fast!
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Justanotherhuman Feb 10, 2015 12:51:48pm |
So, once again “key” employees run a company into the ground and reward themselves. Fuck you very much, you unethical corporate bastards—you all keep proving how empty your “ethics” are while adding thousands to the unemployment lines.
RadioShack is proposing up to $3 million in bankruptcy bonuses for key employees - @WSJBankruptcy
read more on wsj.com
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:51:57pm |
We have always been clear that the attack on the kosher grocery store was an anti-semitic attack that took the lives of innocent people.— Jen Psaki (@statedeptspox) February 10, 2015
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calochortus Feb 10, 2015 12:52:17pm |
re: #120 WhatEVs
I think it depends on where you are and who your doctor is. The huge group practices (Sutter, Kaiser and the like) have been clamping down on overprescribing antibiotics for a number of years. As someone mentioned earlier, a smaller practice probably is more likely to just give in and prescribe what the patient demands.
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Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD Feb 10, 2015 12:53:37pm |
It was an antisemitic attack that took lives of random Jewish people. It’s not difficult, wingnuts.
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 12:53:46pm |
re: #127 The Vicious Babushka
My wife makes an interesting chili that includes pumpkin. She’s not around now or I’d ask about the recipe.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 12:54:53pm |
re: #128 A Cranky One
I think a better source for mixing drugs is a pharmacist. I think they know drugs more than a doctor does. FWIW.
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Justanotherhuman Feb 10, 2015 12:56:05pm |
The clowns who run Twitter, cont…
Oh Noto! This Time, Twitter’s CFO Falls for a Spam Link, Loses His Account.
(snip)
“And what makes it even more notable is that this isn’t the first time Noto has had public struggles with his company’s products. It comes a few months after Noto accidentally — and more than once — published what he thought were private “direct messages” to another Twitter user, exposing them for the world to see.” More
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3eff Jeff Feb 10, 2015 12:56:17pm |
re: #42 The Vicious Babushka
Where can I find a good (kosher) chili recipe?
What makes normal chili not kosher? (I’m a chili enthusiast, but a gentile.)
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:56:26pm |
They totally did acknowledge it==> https://t.co/3UZUYKre1o @ProgsToday @WhiteHouse @gatewaypundit #tcot #UniteBlue— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) February 10, 2015
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:56:50pm |
re: #136 3eff Jeff
What makes normal chili not kosher? (I’m a chili enthusiast, but a gentile.)
Pork
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 12:58:06pm |
.@newtgingrich for the same reason that President Bush made identical statements. We aren't at war with Islam. Just those who pervert it— lawhawk (@lawhawk) February 10, 2015
Newt being Newt. An insufferable liar and propagandist.
President Obama has repeatedly made statements identical to those made by President Bush, and yet he’s called a Muslim sympathizer or worse, even though Obama has gone after al Qaeda and other Islamic terror groups with great effect - hitting key leaders in numerous terror groups, whether it’s al Qaeda, ISIL, spinoffs, or related groups.
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lawhawk Feb 10, 2015 12:58:53pm |
re: #137 The Vicious Babushka
Don’t hold your breath on a retraction from the toxic twins (Hoft/ProgsToday).
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Great White Snark Feb 10, 2015 12:59:35pm |
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 12:59:39pm |
Wingnuts are deranged and they suck==>
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. https://t.co/lheatyR1qQ— Michelle Malkin (@michellemalkin) February 10, 2015
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3eff Jeff Feb 10, 2015 1:00:41pm |
re: #138 The Vicious Babushka
Pork
Oh. I would suggest the Joy of Cooking’s Chili Con Carne recipe. It’s beef chili, and fantastic. I normally use olive oil for the fat and lamb would substitute well for the beef.
(Edit to add: I normally work from the 1997 edition, but the latest should have a similar recipe. The 1960s edition that I have calls for bacon fat or butter, both of which are outright, I think. And both of which can be cleanly substituted with vegetable oil of some sort.)
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Justanotherhuman Feb 10, 2015 1:00:56pm |
The best chili has lots of garlic, onion and hot peppers in it, IMHO. I use ground turkey and no red meat or pork, along with at least 2 kinds of beans, such as black and kidney beans and I cook it a couple of hours to meld everything. So, it’s a bastardized version, I suppose, but we love it.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Feb 10, 2015 1:01:22pm |
re: #132 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD
It was an antisemitic attack that took lives of random Jewish people. It’s not difficult, wingnuts.
It’s not difficult for you or me. Clearly is is difficult for wingnuts.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:01:38pm |
@viciousbabushka @gatewaypundit Then what's the @WhiteHouse's problem? They're so defensive they can't admit His Oneness misspoke & correct?— Progressives Today (@ProgsToday) February 10, 2015
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:02:32pm |
re: #143 3eff Jeff
Oh. I would suggest the Joy of Cooking’s Chili Con Carne recipe. It’s beef chili, and fantastic. I normally use olive oil for the fat and lamb would substitute well for the beef.
Beef is not the problem, I can totally do beef.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:02:39pm |
re: #136 3eff Jeff
What makes normal chili not kosher? (I’m a chili enthusiast, but a gentile.)
Well, I tend to brown the meat in bacon fat, so….
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BeachDem Feb 10, 2015 1:03:06pm |
Somebody the other night mentioned “Gentleman’s Agreement,” a movie from 1947 (Best Picture) about anti-Semitism in the US.
Just fyi, it’s on TCM tonight at 8. Haven’t watched it in quite awhile, but remember it being quite good.
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 1:03:28pm |
re: #146 The Vicious Babushka
Yah, why can’t the WH follow Dim Jim’s example and admit error? ////
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The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss Feb 10, 2015 1:04:25pm |
re: #145 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
It’s not difficult for you or me. Clearly is is difficult for wingnuts.
I know I’m being a spoilsport, but I think there’s a theme that needs to be repeated over and over:
This is not about lack of comprehension, it’s about fully comprehending what happened and choosing to ignore it.
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withak Feb 10, 2015 1:05:10pm |
re: #138 The Vicious Babushka
Pork
I’d never consider any chili that contains pork to be “normal.” Tasty, as my secret ingredient in my beef chili lately has been bacon, but definitely out of the ordinary.
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3eff Jeff Feb 10, 2015 1:05:17pm |
re: #147 The Vicious Babushka
Beef is not the problem, I can totally do beef.
:) Beef chili is my favorite. Look for those recipes (and I edited my post to add a note about which edition I use… Since there is some variation). I also make my own chili powder, but store bought stuff works well.
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A Cranky One Feb 10, 2015 1:06:12pm |
re: #147 The Vicious Babushka
Beef is not the problem, I can totally do beef.
Good, because we tend to beef a lot on this blog ;)
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3eff Jeff Feb 10, 2015 1:07:33pm |
re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White
Well, I tend to brown the meat in bacon fat, so….
I do a lot of that too, but fats and oils are pretty interchangeable in most recipes. (I also really like olive oil, and find it to be pleasant undertone in most anything. YMMV.)
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 1:08:00pm |
re: #42 The Vicious Babushka
Where can I find a good (kosher) chili recipe?
This is how I make chili.
Ground beef (or cubed beef, whichever is preferred)
Onions
Celery
Red peppers
Poblano peppers (not spicy at all)
Minced Garlic
(sometimes carrots)
Beans optional (I use three kinds; chickpeas, black and kidney)
1 can tomato sauce
1 can water (use tomato sauce can)
Chili powder, oregano, cumin, garlic powder, onion powder,
- depending on size might be:
4tb chili powder, 1 tsp oregano, 3 tsp cumin, 1 tsp garlic powder, 1 tsp onion powder
Brown meat in a soup pot and remove. Keep some fat in the bottom of pan. Saute onions, celery, peppers (and carrots if used) about 5 minutes. Add garlic to saute for last minute. Add back meat, add tomato sauce, water and spices. Taste, and season accordingly (use salt and pepper as desired) Stir and simmer for about 2 hours. Stir while it simmers to get good commingling of spices and meat/veg. Add in beans and simmer for another 30 minutes. Stir again before serving.
If time allows, cook ahead, let cool, and reheat to serve. This allows the spices to really permeate everything and the flavors to really blend.
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allegro Feb 10, 2015 1:08:38pm |
re: #147 The Vicious Babushka
Beef is not the problem, I can totally do beef.
Chili is all about the spices really. I brown ground beef with a chopped onion, several cloves of garlic, chopped poblano and jalapeno peppers, add a couple of big cans of tomatoes, a bit of tomato paste, and a can of beer. Dump in a mess of chili powder, cumin, oregano, pinch of cinnamon. Simmer it for a couple of hours, adding beer and spices as needed.
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Decatur Deb Feb 10, 2015 1:08:51pm |
The NYT has a fresh article on Alabama marriage. They identify a new, lower number of counties not-issuing. Looking at the map, it’s seen that the majority of Alabamans are in counties issuing licenses.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:11:10pm |
re: #152 withak
I’d never consider any chili that contains pork to be “normal.” Tasty, as my secret ingredient in my beef chili lately has been bacon, but definitely out of the ordinary.
Agreed. Chili con Carne is generally made with beef exclusively.
Of course, because the combination of chiles with cumin, garlic, and oregano is so wonderful, many different people have concocted many different variations using different or even no meat.
OTOH, there’s also Chile Verde and Chile Colorado, both of which generally contain pork, but they’re not Chili con Carne.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:12:21pm |
I have a piece of 2nd cut brisket in the freezer.
When we went to Miami we ate at this “Backyard BBQ Smokehouse” place that had the Best. Brisket. Ever. Zedushka can’t stop talking about it but I don’t know how to do smoked without, you know, a smoker.
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3eff Jeff Feb 10, 2015 1:12:42pm |
re: #156 WhatEVs
That’s almost the ‘97 Joy of Cooking recipe. Alouette, just use Jay’s recipe. It looks great. (Particularly the cook ahead bit. Chili needs to age for a day.)
The other good one is Cincinnati Chili. Again, I use the mildly heretical JoC recipe, and it’s tasty. (But significantly different from normal Southwestern style chili. It’s got a Greek/Mediterranean twist to it.)
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:13:36pm |
re: #160 The Vicious Babushka
I have a piece of 2nd cut brisket in the freezer.
When we went to Miami we ate at this “Backyard BBQ Smokehouse” place that had the Best. Brisket. Ever. Zedushka can’t stop talking about it but I don’t know how to do smoked without, you know, a smoker.
You can’t.
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Justanotherhuman Feb 10, 2015 1:13:46pm |
re: #156 WhatEVs
oh yeah, I forgot—I also used crushed tomatoes, along w/the other ingredients; they tend to add a better taste than regular canned tomatoes.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:13:48pm |
re: #161 3eff Jeff
That’s almost the ‘97 Joy of Cooking recipe. Alouette, just use Jay’s recipe. It looks great. (Particularly the cook ahead bit. Chili needs to age for a day.)
The other good one is Cincinnati Chili. Again, I use the mildly heretical JoC recipe, and it’s tasty. (But significantly different from normal Southwestern style chili. It’s got a Greek/Mediterranean twist to it.)
I actually make a version of Cincinnati chili (called Coney Island chili here in Motown) which is spooned over hot dogs.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 1:14:57pm |
re: #160 The Vicious Babushka
I have a piece of 2nd cut brisket in the freezer.
When we went to Miami we ate at this “Backyard BBQ Smokehouse” place that had the Best. Brisket. Ever. Zedushka can’t stop talking about it but I don’t know how to do smoked without, you know, a smoker.
Brisket makes THE BEST chili! Brown it hard so it has a real nice bark before you cut it. That adds such a fantastic layer of flavor. I also like the onions to get browned real good, because that changes the flavor slightly, too.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:15:35pm |
Well, this just showed up in my Time Line:
The quickest way to make a dozen sliders pic.twitter.com/2WpfK9Pymk— Life Tips (@BestProAdvice) December 23, 2014
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:16:57pm |
I just green-hearted this thread for all the great chili tips.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 1:17:17pm |
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Feb 10, 2015 1:17:26pm |
re: #139 lawhawk
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Newt being Newt. An insufferable liar and propagandist.
President Obama has repeatedly made statements identical to those made by President Bush, and yet he’s called a Muslim sympathizer or worse, even though Obama has gone after al Qaeda and other Islamic terror groups with great effect - hitting key leaders in numerous terror groups, whether it’s al Qaeda, ISIL, spinoffs, or related groups.
by “Radical Islam” Newt means “Islam”.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:18:05pm |
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Feline Fearless Leader Feb 10, 2015 1:18:27pm |
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3eff Jeff Feb 10, 2015 1:19:21pm |
re: #160 The Vicious Babushka
I have a piece of 2nd cut brisket in the freezer.
When we went to Miami we ate at this “Backyard BBQ Smokehouse” place that had the Best. Brisket. Ever. Zedushka can’t stop talking about it but I don’t know how to do smoked without, you know, a smoker.
It’s not the same, but I do a slow cooker BBQ where I put the meat in the slow cooker, rub it with chili powder and salt, and then pour 1 part Wright’s Liquid Smoke to 1 part bourbon and BBQ sauce to taste over top. I think I use around 1 bottle of Wright’s per 2/lbs of meat, but I tend to do it by feel rather than exactly.
7-8 hours on low, shred it with a fork and stir in the juices 10 minutes before it’s done. It’s not the same, but it’s still really good.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:19:22pm |
re: #165 WhatEVs
Brisket makes THE BEST chili! Brown it hard so it has a real nice bark before you cut it. That adds such a fantastic layer of flavor. I also like the onions to get browned real good, because that changes the flavor slightly, too.
Would you recommend using a cast iron skillet for browning the meat?
I bought a cast iron skillet a couple of years ago but I hardly ever use it because it is heavy as fuck. But I have heard that it’s worth the weight lifting.
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Feline Fearless Leader Feb 10, 2015 1:19:44pm |
re: #154 A Cranky One
Good, because we tend to beef a lot on this blog ;)
Unless someone lets the goats out.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:19:47pm |
re: #169 The Vicious Babushka
I just green-hearted this thread for all the great chili tips.
Whatever you do, don’t go precious in making it. It’s a simple dish, and best done simply.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Feb 10, 2015 1:20:46pm |
re: #154 A Cranky One
Good, because we tend to beef a lot on this blog ;)
The Beef Lebowski
To Beef Or Not To Beef
The Land Beef (Or Thyme)
Stand and Beef Liver
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:20:53pm |
re: #176 The Vicious Babushka
Would you recommend using a cast iron skillet for browning the meat?
I bought a cast iron skillet a couple of years ago but I hardly ever use it because it is heavy as fuck. But I have heard that it’s worth the weight lifting.
Cast iron is probably the best kind of pan for browning ANY meat.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:21:24pm |
re: #180 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
The Beef Lebowski
To Beef Or Not To Beef
The Land Beef (Or Thyme)
Stand and Beef Liver
Give me liver, Dee, or give me beef!
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Feline Fearless Leader Feb 10, 2015 1:21:33pm |
re: #161 3eff Jeff
That’s almost the ‘97 Joy of Cooking recipe. Alouette, just use Jay’s recipe. It looks great. (Particularly the cook ahead bit. Chili needs to age for a day.)
The other good one is Cincinnati Chili. Again, I use the mildly heretical JoC recipe, and it’s tasty. (But significantly different from normal Southwestern style chili. It’s got a Greek/Mediterranean twist to it.)
Are you required to serve that over spaghetti?
;P
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 1:22:19pm |
re: #176 The Vicious Babushka
Would you recommend using a cast iron skillet for browning the meat?
I bought a cast iron skillet a couple of years ago but I hardly ever use it because it is heavy as fuck. But I have heard that it’s worth the weight lifting.
Yeah, that would work well. Get it hot as hell and brown the snot out of one side. Let it get to almost burned. Then when you cube it, you have little bits of delightful bark flavor throughout your chili.
I use my cast iron skillet to make tarte tatins. I don’t make them often…that skillet weighs near as much as I do and I can’t lift it hardly at all (which means that I am ripe to get burned). But when hubby is home and can help with the heavy lifting, I use it.
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withak Feb 10, 2015 1:22:27pm |
re: #176 The Vicious Babushka
Would you recommend using a cast iron skillet for browning the meat?
I bought a cast iron skillet a couple of years ago but I hardly ever use it because it is heavy as fuck. But I have heard that it’s worth the weight lifting.
Once you go cast iron, you’ll never go back. Sear your steaks on the stovetop, then pop the whole thing in the oven to finish. I use ours for all things red meat.
Edit, added video for searing goodness: Youtube Video
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Feb 10, 2015 1:22:40pm |
re: #167 b_sharp
ONIONS ARE
YUCKYheavenly
There, fixed that for you.
I made a vegetarian dinner last night that included sauteed shallots and garlic cloves, and caramelized red onions with balsamic vinegar. Ambrosia.
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3eff Jeff Feb 10, 2015 1:23:03pm |
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b_sharp Feb 10, 2015 1:23:16pm |
re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White
Cast iron is probably the best kind of pan for browning ANY meat.
And if you store a number of them below your oven in the warming drawer, they break the frikken rollers.
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The Vicious Babushka Feb 10, 2015 1:23:17pm |
re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader
Are you required to serve that over spaghetti?
;P
Purists serve it on top of hot dogs but some heretics will put it on burgers too. I have heard it makes a good lasagna but never tried that.
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WhatEVs Feb 10, 2015 1:24:14pm |
re: #186 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
There, fixed that for you.
I made a vegetarian dinner last night that included sauteed shallots and garlic cloves, and caramelized red onions with balsamic vinegar. Ambrosia.
My fav tarte tatin is shallot and goat cheese with caramelized onion. It has a bit of a balsamic drizzle. It is to. die. for.
Now I am hungry. :-)
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b_sharp Feb 10, 2015 1:24:19pm |
re: #186 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
There, fixed that for you.
I made a vegetarian dinner last night that included sauteed shallots and garlic cloves, and caramelized red onions with balsamic vinegar. Ambrosia.
No, no, no.
Too much for me to handle.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:26:50pm |
re: #188 b_sharp
And if you store a number of them below your oven in the warming drawer, they break the frikken rollers.
Try copper. REAL tin-washed copper, not the shit you get in department stores.
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b_sharp Feb 10, 2015 1:29:52pm |
re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White
Try copper. REAL tin-washed copper, not the shit you get in department stores.
Too late. The drawer’s all buggered up and it’s up to me to figure out how to fix it so it can handle the cast iron.
Women.
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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 10, 2015 1:34:33pm |
re: #193 b_sharp
Too late. The drawer’s all buggered up and it’s up to me to figure out how to fix it so it can handle the cast iron.
Women.
Actually, my point was that copper is even worse. Denser.
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b_sharp Feb 10, 2015 1:38:19pm |
re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White
Actually, my point was that copper is even worse. Denser.
I missed that, but should have known. We have SS pots with thick copper bottoms. I also use 1/4” x 1” copper in my mill to make stuff for the wife’s jewellery.
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ObserverArt Feb 10, 2015 1:41:48pm |
What, no love for the pinto bean in chili?
I use pintos and black beans. I use ground chuck browned up in a skillet with some of the spices in with the meat as it browns. It starts the chili process from the get go.
I use beef broth in the ratio of about 2 cans of beef broth to one can tomato sauce. Also, lots and lots of dried spices…onion powder or diced dry onion, garlic powder, chili powder and cumin powder. Also cayenne pepper powder to get the heat.
To add some earthiness to it, I put in several dried poblano peppers whole. Let them get softened up and then take and squeeze them to get the dark brown juices out of the body of the chili. That darken juice from the broth and tomato cooked up in the chili really adds s great base flavor to all the other spices.
After the base chili is fairly well cooked downj, I throw in onion and green pepper pieces. Once the onions get a little transparent, I toss in some tomato chucks. About 15-30 minutes after that it is ready to go! If you cook the fresh veggies too long they disappear, especially the tomatoes.
There is a family here in Columbus that used to win many chili cook-offs. They always said dried spices are the best for real chili. They used to tell the story of chili made by the cooks for the cowboys in the old west. They made chili to use up beef that might be getting a bit long in age. The spices killed off any bad tastes. They also said those cowboy cooks used dried spices because they couldn’t take fresh veggies out on the range in the ol’ cook’s wagon.
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Khal Wimpo Feb 10, 2015 1:59:59pm |
Speaking of health-related issues - didja see the longest longitudinal study on happiness just came out? They’ve been tracking men since 1938 (coincidentally, the year my dad was born).
So let’s skip right to the Blue Material, shall we?
the most conservative men on average shut down their sex lives around age 68, while the most liberal men had healthy sex lives well into their 80s. Vaillant writes, “I have consulted urologists about this, they have no idea why it might be so.”
I have a few theories. Perhaps it has to do with the average conservative Christian’s core belief that sex is filthy, nasty & disgusting? That women are lesser creatures, somewhat above livestock? And also factor in the tendency of conservative men to be grouchy old bastards (i.e. Fox viewers), leaves them alone and yanking their own miserable wires in retirement homes in Central Florida?
Just a guess.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 2:29:49pm |
re: #147 The Vicious Babushka
Beef is not the problem, I can totally do beef.
well, my recipe at #51 still works.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 2:31:19pm |
re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White
Well, I tend to brown the meat in bacon fat, so….
I use olive oil, but just because we’re getting older and more protective of our arteries here in the backwoods…
We try to keep room in our diet for bacon for its own sake.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 10, 2015 2:32:11pm |
re: #152 withak
I’d never consider any chili that contains pork to be “normal.” Tasty, as my secret ingredient in my beef chili lately has been bacon, but definitely out of the ordinary.
If there is “pork” in the recipe, it’s not chili.
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William Barnett-Lewis Feb 10, 2015 5:05:40pm |
re: #71 Dave In Austin
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