Three Muslims Shot Dead Near University of North Carolina - Update: Caused by Parking Dispute?

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This is horrible - the victims seem like they were all just really good people. The suspected shooter’s facebook page has a lot of anti-religion postings, and he describes himself as an anti-theist. See the update tweet below, it appears that this could boil down to a parking dispute, or perhaps that plus bias, something we will likely never get to the bottom of.

A suspected gunman has been charged with the triple murder of three Muslim family members near a university campus in North Carolina, officials said early Wednesday.

Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, shot dead a second-year dentistry student, his wife, and her sister in an apartment complex near the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, local police said.

Police did not release any information about the possible motive for the alleged crime.

Deah Barakat, 23, his wife Yusor Mohammad, 21, and her sister Razan Mohammad, 19, were found dead at the scene by officers who responded to reports of gunfire just after 5:00 p.m. Tuesday in the town 20 miles northwest of Raleigh. The Charlotte Observer reported that all three victims were Muslim.

More: Three Muslims Shot Dead Near University of North Carolina: Report - NBC News.com

UPDATE at 2/11/15 7:02:40 am by Thanos

After all is said and done it could just be road rage:

…and if you view the replies at that tweet and at twitter in general you can see that social media is full of people trying to use this horrific event to bolster their limited and somewhat pathetic worldviews and conspiracy mindsets.

Meanwhile the family of the victims does think there is more to it, and it sure wouldn’t hurt to investigate if there are hate motives involved.

Also See
His Facebook page describes the suspected shooter as “anti-theist” Chapel Hill shooting: Craig Stephen Hicks condemned all religions on Facebook prior to ‘Muslim mass-murder’ arrest - Americas - World - The Independent Local & North Carolina state news from Raleigh, NC | NewsObserver.com

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223 comments
1 the silent one  Feb 11, 2015 4:06:08am

It wouldn’t be an article if we didn’t post the views of the lesser Charles johnson now would it?

2 Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2015 4:48:07am

…

3 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 5:13:52am

CCJ immediately jumps in to play the white victim card

4 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 5:18:50am
5 Jayleia  Feb 11, 2015 5:26:00am

And I’d like to give a big “Fuck You” to the atheist/anti-theist community on the internet that helped make this horror possible (of course, not all atheists…).

Its really been coming for a long time, the atheist “community” has at least as bad a problem with Islamophobia as the shrieking harpy and her merry band of psychopaths. And…the atheist community didn’t fucking listen…they were too busy congratulating themselves on how rational and intelligent they were because they didn’t believe in a god.

6 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 5:37:36am

re: #5 Jayleia

And I’d like to give a big “Fuck You” to the atheist/anti-theist community on the internet that helped make this horror possible (of course, not all atheists…).

Its really been coming for a long time, the atheist “community” has at least as bad a problem with Islamophobia as the shrieking harpy and her merry band of psychopaths. And…the atheist community didn’t fucking listen…they were too busy congratulating themselves on how rational and intelligent they were because they didn’t believe in a god.

There is not one “Atheist Community” Just like there is not just one “Catholic Community’ or one “Muslim Community”. There are plenty of bigoted Atheists, of course.

7 Sionainn  Feb 11, 2015 6:05:33am

Sounds like this guy was a nutjob anti-theist. That’s different from an atheist. All the atheists I know don’t particularly care what anyone else believes as long as they don’t infringe on anyone else’s rights.

8 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 6:28:30am

re: #5 Jayleia

Thing is, Jay, judging at least from his FB, this guy was not a typical member of the anti-Muslim bigot brigade, which certainly has its share of asshole atheists. If you look at his FB, you will see more general anti-religion/anti-Christianity memes, but no specific anti-Muslim postings. He even “liked” Obama’s speech supporting Park51 (“Ground Zero Mosque”) and complained about Christian hypocrisy in this case.

9 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 6:43:39am

re: #5 Jayleia

Be specific or stfu because you are doing what the bigots do when you slam an entire community/class/type/race/gender/religion instead of naming names or the specific subset you are referencing.

10 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 6:45:16am

re: #7 Sionainn

Sounds like this guy was a nutjob anti-theist. That’s different from an atheist. All the atheists I know don’t particularly care what anyone else believes as long as they don’t infringe on anyone else’s rights.

exactly. Matter of fact I would urge most religious people to stay religious if it helps them get through life.

11 Jayleia  Feb 11, 2015 6:47:34am

re: #6 wrenchwench

(I’ll admit I was going off my initial reaction on this…which does not include visiting his FB or reading anything beyond what was posted here, and the following reply was composed before I read other comments)

The loudest and most influential part of the atheist “community” is, by my perception, exactly that. Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins for example, and they’re the ones that end up on TV when they’re looking for an atheist…they just happen to spread a bit of Islamophobia along with it.

I am an atheist and most atheists aren’t like that, true. And yes, its not one “community”, that’s why I used the quotation marks. But the community they are part of doesn’t call them out on that, and their portion of the atheist community is far too large and far too public. That’s one of several reasons I no longer associate with many atheists (along with rampant dudebroism)

After reading other comments…my comments in general about atheism/anti-theism remain. However, it seems they may not apply in this case.

12 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 6:49:23am

re: #11 Jayleia

(I’ll admit I was going off my initial reaction on this…which does not include visiting his FB or reading anything beyond what was posted here, and the following reply was composed before I read other comments)

The loudest and most influential part of the atheist “community” is, by my perception, exactly that. Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins for example, and they’re the ones that end up on TV when they’re looking for an atheist…they just happen to spread a bit of Islamophobia along with it.

I am an atheist and most atheists aren’t like that, true. And yes, its not one “community”, that’s why I used the quotation marks. But the community they are part of doesn’t call them out on that, and their portion of the atheist community is far too large and far too public. That’s one of several reasons I no longer associate with many atheists (along with rampant dudebroism)

After reading other comments…my comments in general about atheism/anti-theism remain. However, it seems they may not apply in this case.

Do you distinguish between atheists and anti-theists?

13 b_sharp  Feb 11, 2015 6:49:44am

Oh, oh. Here we go.

I’m afraid this is stark evidence that even people who pride themselves on their rational thought can harbor lunatics and idiots among their ranks. There is a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment among atheists, especially among the right leaning and Dawkins’ crowd. I’ve not heard anyone there suggest any theists should be killed, but it isn’t hard to imagine a borderline personality taking the anger and outright hate displayed by many atheists toward religion too literally and acting it out.

The vast majority of atheists profess to hating the religion but not the theist, but when that’s mixed with the repeated portrayal of Muslims as misogynistic, violent pedophiles it becomes just a chaotic, hateful, bitter soup.

It’s time we atheists, and anti-theists, reigned in the bullshit and started treating Muslims as humans.

14 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 6:52:20am

re: #13 b_sharp

It’s time we atheists, and anti-theists, reigned reined in the bullshit and started treating Muslims as humans.

It’s a start.

15 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 6:54:58am

Personally I’m not Anti anything - I am for rationality, science, morality, society. I have called out atheist bigotry when I see it, including that of Thunderfoot, Richard Dawkins, and Pat Condell to name three blatantly bigoted atheists.

16 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 6:57:31am
17 b_sharp  Feb 11, 2015 6:58:52am

re: #12 wrenchwench

Do you distinguish between atheists and anti-theists?

I don’t.

An atheist is a larger group that contains anti-theists. I was an anti-theist for many years and have only tempered my attitude since being among the people here. An anti-theist at her core isn’t any different than any other atheists except she believes all religions, but not the religious, should be wiped out. I repeat - the religion, but the not the people who practice the religion, should be wiped out. This does not in any way mean that people should be physically harmed.

As an atheist I can see that religion can give people comfort when they need it, so I’m not as adamant that it disappear as I used to be. I would still prefer that religions go the way of the dinosaur, as all magical thinking should, but I’m not going to spew anger at any theist except those trying to push religion into politics and schools. Even then I would never suggest anything physical should be done about it.

It’s not about hate, it’s about education and appropriate laws and conventions.

18 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 6:58:59am

re: #16 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

There it is, maybe road rage and possibly not a hate crime at all.

19 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 7:01:15am

re: #17 b_sharp

I don’t.

An atheist is a larger group that contains anti-theists. I was an anti-theist for many years and have only tempered my attitude since being among the people here. An anti-theist at her core isn’t any different than any other atheists except she believes all religions, but not the religious, should be wiped out. I repeat - the religion, but the not the people who practice the religion, should be wiped out. This does not in any way mean that people should be physically harmed.

As an atheist I can see that religion can give people comfort when they need it, so I’m not as adamant that it disappear as I used to be. I would still prefer that religions go the way of the dinosaur, as all magical thinking should, but I’m not going to spew anger at any theist except those trying to push religion into politics and schools. Even then I would never suggest anything physical should be done about it.

It’s not about hate, it’s about education and appropriate laws and conventions.

To me, an anti-theist is an evangelical atheist. I’m not evangelical, but I am an atheist.

20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 7:04:40am

re: #19 wrenchwench

To me, an anti-theist is an evangelical atheist. I’m not evangelical, but I am an atheist.

It’s such a murky term. I’ve seen it used to denote:
1. People who are against God under any circumstances (i.e. even if they’re not atheists and believe in God, they’re still against him because they think he’s evil, etc.).
2. People who are against all believers in God (theists).
3. People who are against specifically theism.

21 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 7:07:37am

re: #20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s such a murky term. I’ve seen it used to denote:
1. People who are against God under any circumstances (i.e. even if they’re not atheists and believe in God, they’re still against him because they think he’s evil, etc.).
2. People who are against all believers in God (theists).
3. People who are against specifically theism.

…

22 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 7:11:25am
23 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 7:13:22am

You should check the comments on that tweet. Accusations of cover up and media conspiracy are already starting….

24 Jayleia  Feb 11, 2015 7:14:40am

re: #12 wrenchwench

I do try to differentiate. Atheists I have a reasonable chance of getting along with, anti-theists I have very little chance of getting along with.

Anti-theists, by my standards, seem to operate on the same thought process as the more…irritating types of religious people. They’ve decided that their way is the One True Way and the believers are “heretics”…the irony is lost upon the anti-theist.

Of course, when I see “Muslims shot by self-described anti-theist”, my initial reaction is to jump to a conclusion (I don’t think it was entirely unreasonable based on what I’d read up to that point and given previous experiences, but still, I did jump to a conclusion).

25 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 7:21:58am

re: #24 Jayleia

I also assumed it was an atheistic terrorist. These guys may be relatively rare nowadays, but you never know.

26 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 7:24:02am

Wow, twitter is full of people trying to twist this horrific event to further their pathetic and limited worldviews.

27 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 7:32:59am

Automobile owners are such rageaholics.

28 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 7:42:37am
29 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 7:53:14am

OK, what if he is? It’s not all about narratives.

30 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 7:59:52am

I like living in a country where it’s probable that more people are shot over parking spaces than religion —- as nutty as that seems.

31 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 8:03:05am

re: #29 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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OK, what if he is? It’s not all about narratives.

I like the narrative in #27.

32 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 8:04:57am

re: #30 Thanos

I like living in a country where it’s probable that more people are shot over parking spaces than religion —- as nutty as that seems.

I am more anti-car these days than I am anti-theist.

33 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 8:07:08am

If this guy was known to be a raging anti-Muslim nut, OK, that would fit with “the bigoted media are trying to…”. So far his public pronouncements fit with the alleged police version. Which is not to say that religion didn’t play any role, while it also possibly being about the parking lot. It’s too early to draw any definite conclusions. Including conclusions about media narratives. IMHO.

34 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 8:17:51am

It could have been bias + territorial parking space rage, but it’s something that will likely remain unclear.

35 Varek Raith  Feb 11, 2015 8:31:59am

re: #5 Jayleia

What did I do???

36 b_sharp  Feb 11, 2015 8:41:32am

re: #14 wrenchwench

It’s a start.

I speel goud.

37 Mattand  Feb 11, 2015 8:54:58am

re: #5 Jayleia

And I’d like to give a big “Fuck You” to the atheist/anti-theist community on the internet that helped make this horror possible (of course, not all atheists…).

Its really been coming for a long time, the atheist “community” has at least as bad a problem with Islamophobia as the shrieking harpy and her merry band of psychopaths. And…the atheist community didn’t fucking listen…they were too busy congratulating themselves on how rational and intelligent they were because they didn’t believe in a god.

Fuck you, asshole.

38 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 8:57:40am

re: #37 Mattand

C’mon.

39 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 9:00:05am

I lay less blame on his anti-theist views and more blame on another extremist with a weapon.

40 Bubblehead II  Feb 11, 2015 9:01:35am

re: #5 Jayleia

41 darthstar  Feb 11, 2015 9:01:55am

The most famous towel biter has passed.

42 Mattand  Feb 11, 2015 9:02:16am

re: #38 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

C’mon.

“It’s been a long time coming”??

He/she can take the axe they’ve apparently been grinding for years and shove it up their ass.

43 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 11, 2015 9:03:06am

re: #20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Apatheist here.

44 Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2015 9:05:28am

re: #28 wrenchwench

The reports about a parking dispute originally came from IbrahIm Hooper of CAIR - hardly someone known for covering up Islamophobia.

45 lawhawk  Feb 11, 2015 9:09:33am

re: #41 darthstar

So, within the span of a few days, two of the most famous NCAA coaches in history have passed (Tark the Shark, and Dean Smith).

46 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:10:27am

On the psychological level I understand people like Prof. Mitchum who rage against the police saying this may have been about a parking lot. After Ferguson, etc.
On the other hand, the devil is always in the details.

47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 9:10:41am

re: #34 Thanos

It could have been bias + territorial parking space rage, but it’s something that will likely remain unclear.

This is a problem I have with “hate crime” legislation despite its reasonable intent: human motivations are often mixed and even contradictory in nature.

But one thing is for sure: these killings will be instrumentalized and the victims themselves will be ignored.

48 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:11:08am

The RW take is that he’s a lefty, the left wing take is that he’s Islamophobic, there’s a lot of Muslims taking that viewpoint as well. I haven’t surfed any atheist sites yet, but I plan to do that soon.

49 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:11:55am

re: #34 Thanos

It could have been bias + territorial parking space rage, but it’s something that will likely remain unclear.

Hopefully, it won’t remain unclear.

The only atheists (including myself) I’ve ever known have been anti-violent and peaceful folks. i don’t like confrontations, but i will defend myself agzaist instigators.

The 3 people who were killed never had a chance.

50 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 9:13:27am

Muslims vs. Atheists huh?

“And on the right wing, not a shit was given that day…”

51 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:13:48am

re: #48 Thanos

I’ll predict one thing: no atheistic org will deny that yes, he is a true atheist. No “no true Scotsman” card here.

52 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:13:57am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t mind hate crime statutes as long as we keep jury trials and “reasonable doubt” as standards - there are some hate crimes that are very clear, like when guys in sheets burn a cross on a black person’s lawn, or actual Islamophobes pour pig’s blood in Mosques.

53 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:14:44am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually no, on the right they are characterizing him as a Left Wing domestic terrorist.

54 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:15:11am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is a problem I have with “hate crime” legislation despite its reasonable intent: human motivations are often mixed and even contradictory in nature.

I don’t have a problem with hate crime legislation. It doesn’t assume intent, it still must be proved.

55 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:15:55am
56 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 9:15:59am

re: #45 lawhawk

So, within the span of a few days, two of the most famous NCAA coaches in history have passed (Tark the Shark, and Dean Smith).

Uh-oh….supposedly deaths come in threes.

57 Eventual Carrion  Feb 11, 2015 9:17:48am

re: #1 the silent one

It wouldn’t be an article if we didn’t post the views of the lesser Charles johnson now would it?

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Good thing the ChuckStain doesn’t have an agenda.

EDIT: Fixed the CCJ misspelled reference.

58 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 9:17:57am

re: #48 Thanos

The RW take is that he’s a lefty, the left wing take is that he’s Islamophobic, there’s a lot of Muslims taking that viewpoint as well. I haven’t surfed any atheist sites yet, but I plan to do that soon.

Has Dim Jim or CCJ revealed the shooter’s voting record and pics of his truck with Obama stickers on the bumper?

59 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2015 9:18:17am

Police Officers shoot and kill a man who was…throwing rocks…

60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 9:19:50am

re: #59 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Police Officers shoot and kill a man who was…throwing rocks…

Those hands were lethal weapons and the rocks turned them into WMDs!!!

/

61 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 9:20:14am

re: #48 Thanos

The RW take is that he’s a lefty, the left wing take is that he’s Islamophobic, there’s a lot of Muslims taking that viewpoint as well. I haven’t surfed any atheist sites yet, but I plan to do that soon.

But, but, but according to the wingnuts, Lefties hate guns and love Muslims….EPIC FAIL!!! //

62 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:20:35am

re: #58 Dr. Matt

Has Dim Jim or CCJ revealed the shooter’s voting record and pics of his truck with Obama stickers on the bumper?

Dunno, I would expect stuff like that soon though. :)

63 Teukka  Feb 11, 2015 9:22:37am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Those hands were lethal weapons and the rocks turned them into WMDs!!!

/

Weapons of Mass Distraction?
///

64 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:22:49am

help! Somehow i”ve reduced my onscreen print so small i can barely read it.

What button do i push to get it larger? : )

65 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:23:24am

Dimjim is crying foul because the NY Times didn’t mention his politics…. so it goes..

His headline is :

Deranged Leftist Murders Three Muslim Students - Media Ignores Story

…. but this has been the lead story at every major news outlet all morning.

66 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:24:20am

Department of Defense says US Marines assisting closure of Embassy in Yemen turned over over small arms, vehicles in order to leave on commercial flights - @NBCNews
end of alert

67 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:24:52am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

CTRL + and - will increase / decrease font size

68 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:26:34am

re: #65 Thanos

He probably means they’re covering up his leftism…

69 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:27:34am

re: #67 Thanos

CTRL + an - will increase / decrease font size

Is that CTRL + an? Doesn’t work…

70 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:27:54am

Wingnuts have been waiting for years for such a story (an apparent liberal murders someone). As if that absolves them.

71 Bubblehead II  Feb 11, 2015 9:28:49am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

help! Somehow i”ve reduced my onscreen print so small i can barely read it.

What button do i push to get it larger? : )

CTRL + will generally enlarge your screen. At least with IE and FF.

72 blueraven  Feb 11, 2015 9:29:04am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Is that CTRL + an? Doesn’t work…

Control and the + sign simultaneously.

73 Bubblehead II  Feb 11, 2015 9:29:21am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Is that CTRL + an? Doesn’t work…

What browser?

74 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2015 9:29:26am

Any photographers in NYC interested? This is a friend of mine:

75 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 9:29:51am

re: #53 Thanos

Actually no, on the right they are characterizing him as a Left Wing domestic terrorist.

Wha? Huh?

Because Muslims are TOTALLY left wing?

Nevermind, I give up trying to figure it out.

76 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:30:36am

Thanks! CTRL + worked. {sigh} I’m so computer-dumb sometimes. : )

77 #FergusonFireside  Feb 11, 2015 9:31:21am

re: #59 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Police Officers shoot and kill a man who was…throwing rocks…

78 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 9:31:52am

re: #77 #FergusonFireside

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Wow, this is one hell of a week for Alabama.

79 Ace-o-aces  Feb 11, 2015 9:32:05am

Hey, remember last week when Chucky was tweeting sections of an anti-Semitic, white supremacist manifesto?

80 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:32:12am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

Wha? Huh?

Because Muslims are TOTALLY left wing?

Nevermind, I give up trying to figure it out.

?? He’s not a Muslim. He’s an atheist.

81 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:32:33am

New HP laptop and not used to it. Still learning how to use it properly. Even got wireless mouse since i hate the touch pad. Using Chrome.

82 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 9:33:20am

re: #65 Thanos

Dimjim is crying foul because the NY Times didn’t mention his politics…. so it goes..

His headline is :

Deranged Leftist Murders Three Muslim Students - Media Ignores Story

…. but this has been the lead story at every major news outlet all morning.

How exactly is he turning this guy into a “Leftist”? i.e., a gun-toting murderer who is living in a red state, and shoots 3 Muslims.

83 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 9:33:34am

re: #80 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

?? He’s not a Muslim. He’s an atheist.

Oh shoot, my bad.

I see the RW angle now.

Need moar coffee.

84 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:33:36am

re: #77 #FergusonFireside

Goddamnit. I hope he and his family sue the hell out of them.
This shit has to stop.

85 Testy Toad T  Feb 11, 2015 9:34:36am

re: #82 Dr. Matt

How exactly is he turning this guy into a “Leftist”? i.e., a gun-toting murderer who is living in a red state, and shoots 3 Muslims.

In fairness, calling the Research Triangle a right-wing area is, at best, a very outdated viewpoint.

I’m not even sure you can call NC red anymore.

86 A Cranky One  Feb 11, 2015 9:34:37am

I believe in humility.

That means while I may not agree with another’s faith, I believe people’s beliefs should be respected (with the exception of those who want to push their beliefs on others or force others to follow their beliefs). It’s incredibly arrogant to assume one has the only “truth” and that everyone else is wrong.

The idea of killing another person because they have different beliefs is simply evil. Period. It’s the ultimate display of hubris.

Was religion a factor in these killings? I don’t have any idea. The only thing I’m sure of is that the deaths are a terrible tragedy. Those who try to politicize this for their own purposes are just scumbags.

87 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 9:34:51am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

But, but, but according to the wingnuts, Lefties hate guns and love Muslims….EPIC FAIL!!! //

But he’s a GODLESS ATHEIST, so at least there’s a silver lining.

Victims be damned, we have talking points to defend here.

/

88 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:35:11am

re: #82 Dr. Matt

How exactly is he turning this guy into a “Leftist”? i.e., a gun-toting murderer who is living in a red state, and shoots 3 Muslims.

He’s a liberal left-winger, who probably voted for Obama, who is extremely strongly pro-LGBT/SSM, pro-choice, anti-teabag, who shared posts from DailyKos, Blue Nation Review and Army Vets for Obama.

89 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 9:35:33am

How much I want to bet they thought that Indian guy was a Muslim. Nevermind the fact that 80% of the population of India is HINDU.

90 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:35:53am

re: #85 Testy Toad T

In fairness, calling the Research Triangle a right-wing area is, at best, a very outdated viewpoint.

I’m not even sure you can call NC red anymore.

Certain sections (usually cities) tend to blue; rural areas, red.

Therefore, we are a bit on the purple side…

91 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 9:36:14am

re: #82 Dr. Matt

How exactly is he turning this guy into a “Leftist”? i.e., a gun-toting murderer who is living in a red state, and shoots 3 Muslims.

Simple.

Everyone who is not white, Christian and an Obama hating Patriot (tm) is a “leftist”.

92 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:37:33am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But he’s a GODLESS ATHEIST, so at least there’s a silver lining.

Victims be damned, we have talking points to defend here.

/

Isn’t that what’s wrong with about 90% of the country these days?

93 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 9:38:11am

re: #85 Testy Toad T

In fairness, calling the Research Triangle a right-wing area is, at best, a very outdated viewpoint.

I never said it was. Speaking of “fairness”…..

94 Testy Toad T  Feb 11, 2015 9:38:28am

re: #92 Justanotherhuman

Isn’t that what’s wrong with about 90% of the country these days?

At least 20% of what’s wrong with this country these days is insufficient commitment to cheeseburgers.

95 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 9:38:46am

re: #92 Justanotherhuman

Isn’t that what’s wrong with about 90% of the country these days?

That’s what 90% of our news coverage and public discourse is about…

96 Testy Toad T  Feb 11, 2015 9:38:53am

re: #93 Dr. Matt

Speaking of fairness, you are welcome to respond to the second half of my statement, too.

97 blueraven  Feb 11, 2015 9:39:18am

Sometimes a shooting is just unhinged rage with easy access to a gun.

Sad.

98 Dr. Matt  Feb 11, 2015 9:41:38am

re: #96 Testy Toad T

Speaking of fairness, you are welcome to respond to the second half of my statement, too.

As soon as you correct your statement. You’re welcome to correct it at anytime…..you know, in all “fairness”.

And please provide your thesis as why you’re “not even sure you can call NC red anymore”….you know, in a “fairness”.

99 Mike Lamb  Feb 11, 2015 9:42:23am

re: #65 Thanos

Dimjim is crying foul because the NY Times didn’t mention his politics…. so it goes..

His headline is :

Deranged Leftist Murders Three Muslim Students - Media Ignores Story

…. but this has been the lead story at every major news outlet all morning.

To Dimjim, the story is “DERANGED LEFTIST Murders Three Muslim Students”. In other words, the antecedent is irrelevant.

100 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:42:33am

re: #86 A Cranky One

My initial reaction was that Hicks had an anti-Muslim bias, but I also have a wait and see attitude as well.

But it was a horrible act of vengeance, no matter what the motive, and 3 young lives are gone, nonetheless.

101 Testy Toad T  Feb 11, 2015 9:44:33am

re: #98 Dr. Matt

As soon as you correct your statement. You’re welcome to correct it at anytime…..you know, in all “fairness”.

And please provide your thesis as why you’re “not even sure you can call NC red anymore”….you know, in a “fairness”.

Because it went blue in 2008. Statewide elections are contested and both parties spend money to win it. I wasn’t going a whole hell of a lot deeper than that.

You’re clearly much more invested in this than I am, so I’m going to go do something else. You may interpret this as flawless internet victory if you’re so inclined.

102 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:44:35am

How many people post pics of their guns on FB? I haven’t encountered that many…

(I know that some post pics of their “guns”…)

103 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:46:15am

re: #102 Thanos

A lot of gun fuckers (to steal VB’s term) do that very thing.

104 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:47:12am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

If it were about “random folks” (c) of the same faith, this would actually tend to confirm the explicit anti-Muslim angle, because a random shooter doesn’t seek out specifically Muslims unless he has an anti-Muslim motive.

But once we learn that they were neighbors and already had had conflicts before, there’s another dimension there, that may include both religious and purely domestic/mental issues.

105 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 9:47:24am

re: #102 Thanos

How many people post pics of their guns on FB? I haven’t encountered that many…

I don’t have a lot of FB friends who fit that profile and anyone who posts gun pr0n is gonna get unfreinded.

106 WhatEVs  Feb 11, 2015 9:47:28am

re: #59 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Police Officers shoot and kill a man who was…throwing rocks…

The way things are now, they should be thankful he wasn’t shot dead.

I mourn the loss of Officer Friendly. (Yeah, I am that old.)

107 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 9:48:08am

re: #104 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

If it were about “random folks” (c) of the same faith, this would actually tend to confirm the explicit anti-Muslim angle, because a random shooter doesn’t seek out specifically Muslims unless he has an anti-Muslim motive.

But once we learn that they were neighbors and already had had conflicts before, there’s another dimension there, that may include both religious and purely domestic/mental issues.

Which makes this incident a perfect canvas upon which people can project their talking points.

108 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:48:13am

re: #102 Thanos

How many people post pics of their guns on FB? I haven’t encountered that many…

He was defensive about guns:

Craig Hicks
15 January 2011 *
I guess after the horrible tragedy early this week in Arizona, all Glock pistols will officially be labeled “assault weapons.” While I never cared for Glocks personally, it stinks that anyone would blame a firearm rather than the operator of such firearm for such a terrible act. I think I’ll start blaming McDonalds for my weight problem, Christianity for the Ku Klux Klan, and Islam for terrorism.

109 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:48:15am

White House: US combat soldiers on the ground may be used for hostage rescue operations - @Reuters
end of alert

White House: Department of Defense personnel remain on the ground in Yemen, carrying out counter-terrorism efforts - @Reuters
end of alert

And this…

110 Great White Snark  Feb 11, 2015 9:48:50am

The only distinction I need to hear bears on the investigation. All these guys hijacking the killing to promote their own agenda, paranoia or politics will simply be ignored by me. Till we got real telepaths or declarations from the killer we have physical evidence and a lot of noise. That’s it.

111 lawhawk  Feb 11, 2015 9:51:17am
112 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:52:19am

There are scores of gun lovers even at DailyKos (which has a special group, RBKA, for them), and we have several extremely sane ones here at LGF.

113 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:53:09am

re: #111 lawhawk

“well, yeah. no parking dispute can reasonably lead to a triple murder.”

Nothing can reasonably lead to a triple murder.

114 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:56:44am

All of the victims were Americans. Deah Barakat was a Syrian-American and the 2 sisters were Jordanian-Americans.

“But the women’s father, Dr. Mohammad Abu-Salha, who has a psychiatry practice in Clayton, said regardless of the precise trigger Tuesday night, Hicks’ underlying animosity toward Barakat and Abu-Salha was based on their religion and culture. Abu-Salha said police told him Hicks shot the three inside their apartment.

“It was execution style, a bullet in every head,” Abu-Salha said Wednesday morning. “This was not a dispute over a parking space; this was a hate crime. This man had picked on my daughter and her husband a couple of times before, and he talked with them with his gun in his belt. And they were uncomfortable with him, but they did not know he would go this far.”

“Abu-Salha said his daughter who lived next door to Hicks wore a Muslim head scarf and told her family a week ago that she had “a hateful neighbor.”

Read more here: newsobserver.com

115 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 9:56:54am

I’ve seen this picture pop up in my FB feed FOUR times in the past few days, all posted by right leaning individuals who seem to think it’s a real sign.

116 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2015 9:57:13am

I admit I like guns. I also like to hunt and while firing an assault rifle is fun I have no need of one and would never use one for hunting with the exception of the SKS I used once which was/is a nice rifle for hunting but is only semi-automatic.

117 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 9:58:11am
118 Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2015 9:58:35am
119 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 9:58:57am

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

Seems like a stalkerish type.

120 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 9:59:53am

re: #119 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Seems like a stalkerish type.

A hating, revenge-filled stalkerish type.

121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2015 9:59:55am

Ok this is kind of amusing: Montana rep wants to outlaw yoga pants in public.

122 lawhawk  Feb 11, 2015 10:00:05am

Since when does a dispute over a parking spot turn into an execution-style murder? Much more frequently than anyone should expect, as it turns out.

For instance, from a few weeks ago in Baltimore.

In Atlanta, guy was killed after being shot in the back. Twice.

But even more incidents where there were shootings over parking that weren’t execution style. See NJ, Chicago, Florida, etc.

The key similarity between all the incidents? The use of firearms to “solve” the situation.

123 Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2015 10:00:50am

re: #111 lawhawk

That’s a dumb comment from Matt Pearce - people are murdered every day over horribly trivial reasons like this.

124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:00:52am

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

Could be that personal and ideological animosities fed each other.

125 lawhawk  Feb 11, 2015 10:02:01am

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Yup, and it turns out that parking disputes crop up a surprising number of times for homicides (as I posted above).

126 Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2015 10:02:45am

re: #124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Could be that personal and ideological animosities fed each other.

Almost unavoidably.

127 b.d.  Feb 11, 2015 10:02:48am

re: #123 Charles Johnson

That’s a dumb comment from Matt Pearce - people are murdered every day over horribly trivial reasons like this.

Are there any GOOD reasons to murder 3 people?

128 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:03:09am

re: #124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Could be that personal and ideological animosities fed each other.

i rather think that other than not caring for someone so confrontational and hateful, those 3 didn’t know much of anything else about Hicks and his thinking.

129 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 10:04:00am

re: #127 b.d.

Are there any GOOD reasons to murder 3 people?

Only if all three are actively trying to kill you.

130 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2015 10:04:13am

re: #122 lawhawk

Since when does a dispute over a parking spot turn into an execution-style murder? Much more frequently than anyone should expect, as it turns out.

For instance, from a few weeks ago in Baltimore.

In Atlanta, guy was killed after being shot in the back. Twice.

But even more incidents where there were shootings over parking that weren’t execution style. See NJ, Chicago, Florida, etc.

The key similarity between all the incidents? The use of firearms to “solve” the situation.

There was that incident in Chicago where a vehicle’s brake lines were cut while it was parked in someone else’s spot.

131 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:04:26am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Only if all three are actively trying to kill you.

That’s not murder, that’s self-defense.

132 Jayleia  Feb 11, 2015 10:04:55am

Wow, I did pile up the downdings for #5 (well deserved). I did overreact based off of what I read up to that point, and viewed through my own personal experiences.

Pretty sure I wasn’t talking about any of the people here (especially not you Varek). But yes, atheism does have plenty of troublemakers, and those people have a very loud voice, Condell, Harris and Dawkins among others.

LGF is great at calling out bigotry…so if you’re reading this here and you’re thinking it was directed at you, you’re incorrect.

re: #42 Mattand

Had my initial reaction been correct, then yes, it would have been a long time coming because I keep seeing anti-theists and/or atheists outside of LGF accept more and more Islamophobia. This is exactly what I would expect would happen under those circumstances. And again, my initial reaction was wrong.

133 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 10:04:57am

re: #131 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

That’s not murder, that’s self-defense.

Good point. I guess I conflated “murder” with “kill”.

134 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 10:04:57am

re: #125 lawhawk

Yup, and it turns out that parking disputes crop up a surprising number of times for homicides (as I posted above).

People think too much of their cars (and their selves).

135 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:05:29am

re: #123 Charles Johnson

That’s a dumb comment from Matt Pearce - people are murdered every day over horribly trivial reasons like this.

Indeed. I was shoved to the ground by someone who didn’t want me to see my granddaughter. Considering myself lucky she didn’t have a gun. ; 0

136 Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2015 10:05:34am
137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2015 10:05:34am

Hey WW!

138 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 10:06:10am

Oh I remember the parking related shit people would go through when I was in college. Made me thankful I rode my bicycle or walked most days.

139 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:06:37am

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

{{JAH}}

140 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 10:06:41am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey WW!

[Embedded content]

WINNING!

141 lawhawk  Feb 11, 2015 10:06:46am

re: #125 lawhawk

Yup, and it turns out that parking disputes crop up a surprising number of times for homicides (as I posted above).

And in the context of the NYT article yesterday with the lynching map (and the related article that didn’t indicate that all the perpetrators of the lynchings on that map were white Southerners), there were blacks lynched for nothing more than looking at, or associating with, a white woman.

Looking at a white woman could be a death sentence for a black.

We haven’t gotten all that far from that noxious attitude. In some parts of the country, I’d say that they’d still pull that if the opportunity arose.

142 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 11, 2015 10:06:56am

re:
#1

Muslim activists will use #ChapelHillShooting to advance their agenda domestically in much the same way black activists used #Ferguson.

CCJ just can’t help himself, can he?

143 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 10:06:58am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey WW!

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Segregationists!

144 Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2015 10:07:03am

re: #124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Could be that personal and ideological animosities fed each other.

A purely ideological killer would pick his victims randomly within his target group, unless there were a strong symbolic or celebrity direction.

145 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 10:07:37am

CCJ might get himself in some serious hot water if he starts pissing off Muslims en masse.

146 Kragar  Feb 11, 2015 10:07:47am
147 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:09:02am

Whatever his motives, unless he is really mentally ill, he should rot in prison for the rest of his sorry life.

148 Ace-o-aces  Feb 11, 2015 10:09:04am
So get ready for a nice big culture war over how atheists, with no moral absolutes, are prone to violence, and progressives, who preach tolerance, murder Muslims. The one thing we definitely won’t be talking about is how easy it is for a deranged person of any political persuasion to get his hands on a firearm.

Read more at wonkette.com

149 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:09:26am

re: #143 wrenchwench

Segregationists!

Haha, I’d want to be separated from those crazy-assed drivers.

150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 11, 2015 10:09:32am

re:
#1

So, according to CCJ, “black activists” and “Muslim activists” have an “agenda”. But no one CCJ knows, and certainly not CCJ himself, has an “agenda”.

////

151 ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2015 10:10:09am

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

New HP laptop and not used to it. Still learning how to use it properly. Even got wireless mouse since i hate the touch pad. Using Chrome.

I don’t know if anyone mentioned it (I’m behind in this thread)…but if you look at the top of chrome where the web address bar is…all the way over to the right side you will see three parallel bars. If you click on those bars you get a drop down menu of settings.

About the middle of the menu you will see ‘zoom’ and a minus sign, a percentage of the screen view size and a plus sign. Clicking on those takes the viewing window up and down in size.

You might also find some other things under that menu that you might want to use too!

HP heh? Styling! : )

152 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 10:11:16am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I’d want to be separated from those crazy-assed drivers.

Seriously, the number of times I nearly got killed or seriously injured riding my bike because of asshole drivers with superiority complexes is a lot higher than you might think…and I’m a safe rider too.

153 lawhawk  Feb 11, 2015 10:11:30am

re: #130 The Vicious Babushka

There were incidents up in Boston over who had the right to a parking spot that was cleared of snow. We hear about altercations up there, in NYC, down in Philly, and elsewhere when there are heavy snowfalls and there’s limited on-street parking. People will try to reserve spots that they’ve cleared previously so others can’t park there. See it all the time. It’s nuts.

154 Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2015 10:11:54am

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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LOLOLOL

Typical idiot that Chuckles is.

155 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 10:12:14am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I’d want to be separated from those crazy-assed drivers.

I want the right to take it or not, as I and my destination choose.

156 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 10:12:38am

This my friends is the power of agitprop and hate - most news becomes foils to push your agendas. If your first thought about a news item is how it hinders or helps x cause, that’s pretty pathetic.

157 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:12:55am

People will kill for the silliest reasons. Give them more guns, yeah /

158 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:13:10am

re: #151 ObserverArt

Heheh, my grandson is threatening to install Windows 7 in it. : ) It came loaded with 8.1; then he said, try it for a while…

it’s pretty nice, and my first laptop.

159 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:15:22am

Editor’s note: From President Obama’s letter to Congress seeking authorization for a military operation against the Islamic State: ‘My administration’s draft … would not authorize long-term, large-scale ground combat operations like those our nation conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan.’ - Tom
end of note

160 wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2015 10:15:56am
162 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2015 10:18:05am

re: #153 lawhawk

There were incidents up in Boston over who had the right to a parking spot that was cleared of snow. We hear about altercations up there, in NYC, down in Philly, and elsewhere when there are heavy snowfalls and there’s limited on-street parking. People will try to reserve spots that they’ve cleared previously so others can’t park there. See it all the time. It’s nuts.

My late father-in-law had the City of Philadelphia install a disabled parking spot in front of his house (on a residential street) and then called the police to ticket and tow any vehicle NOT HIS that parked there. This BTW included other blue-tag vehicles (which the police refused to ticket because it was a designated blue-tag spot, not my FIL’s own personal spot.

I can kind of understand that if you live in a neighborhood where the houses have no garage or driveway to park in, and you spent hours shoveling a spot in front of your house, you’d get possessive about it and FOR CHRIST SAKE you can’t kill over it.

163 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:18:47am

re: #160 wrenchwench

#WarOnMuslims is a real thing now.

164 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:20:56am

re: #163 Justanotherhuman

The first tweet in the series:

Some people just want to watch the world burn :(

165 Sionainn  Feb 11, 2015 10:21:29am

re: #147 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Whatever his motives, unless he is really mentally ill, he should rot in prison for the rest of his sorry life.

I seriously doubt he is mentally ill.

166 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:22:30am

re: #164 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Yeah, I didn’t realize that acct was already there. it definitely trends anti-Muslim. : (

167 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:23:12am

re: #165 Sionainn

I seriously doubt he is mentally ill.

No idea. Simply killing someone execution-style while not having a criminal past… Anything could be, I guess.

168 Mattand  Feb 11, 2015 10:24:07am

re: #132 Jayleia

Had my initial reaction been correct, then yes, it would have been a long time coming because I keep seeing anti-theists and/or atheists outside of LGF accept more and more Islamophobia. This is exactly what I would expect would happen under those circumstances. And again, my initial reaction was wrong.

“You LGF atheists are okay; it’s those other ones that are itching to burn down Mosques and shoot people that I don’t like.”

Please. I’ll bet even some of your best friends happen to be atheist.

Also, feel free to quantify “more and more”. I’m getting the feeling that your “observations” are basically a bolus of confirmation bias rising to the surface.

169 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2015 10:26:21am

Craig Hicks also liked plus-size women.

170 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2015 10:27:04am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Craig Hicks also liked plus-size women.

So he had some taste in women….

171 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:27:49am

re: #167 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

No idea. Simply killing someone execution-style while not having a criminal past… Anything could be, I guess.

Although… Seeing how he read “Vets for Obama” group, he could have been a vet himself.

172 Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2015 10:28:33am

I haven’t read everything posted about this in the previous thread, but has anyone noted that Hicks actually denounced the “Ground Zero Mosque” insanity? That doesn’t sound like your typical Islamophobe.

173 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:28:38am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Craig Hicks also liked plus-size women.

re: #170 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So he had some taste in women….

I also have to force myself not to write about him in past tense.

174 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:29:03am

re: #172 Charles Johnson

I haven’t read everything posted about this in the previous thread, but has anyone noted that Hicks actually denounced “Ground Zero Mosque” insanity? That doesn’t sound like your typical Islamophobe.

Yes, I posted that. He also “liked” Obama’s speech in support of Park51.

175 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2015 10:29:41am

re: #172 Charles Johnson

I haven’t read everything posted about this in the previous thread, but has anyone noted that Hicks actually denounced “Ground Zero Mosque” insanity? That doesn’t sound like your typical Islamophobe.

The link posted to TPM is rather interesting. He sounds like a reasonable person on most of the “issues”.

176 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:31:19am

Contra Costa County, Calif., Health Department says some BART riders may have been exposed to measles - @KTVU
see original on twitter.com

And Gavin Newsom is filing to run for guv. {sigh}

177 #FergusonFireside  Feb 11, 2015 10:31:44am

Did he break into their apartment?

178 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2015 10:32:01am

re: #175 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The link posted to TPM is rather interesting. He sounds like a reasonable person on most of the “issues”.

Adding to the probability that this in fact WAS triggered by a parking dispute,

179 Great White Snark  Feb 11, 2015 10:32:04am

Sanity Fiction break? Ultra short Sci Fi story…. Paged

180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 10:32:33am

re: #124 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Could be that personal and ideological animosities fed each other.

Human motivations are complicated - and sometimes contradictory (e.g., you always hurt the one you love)

181 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:33:58am

It’s possible that Hicks recently gravitated to anti-theism. A 2011 post showing what Hicks said was an award he received at work which described him as an “ordained deistic minister.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

182 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2015 10:34:01am

re: #116 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I throw 1,000 rounds down the range just about every week. It’s fun and a great stress reliever.

183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 10:34:13am

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

Good point. I guess I conflated “murder” with “kill”.

I believe the Bible says “you shall not murder”, because it is sure big on killin’

184 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2015 10:35:29am

re: #182 GlutenFreeJesus

I grew up with guns. One day we had a bunch of old ammo to burn and there was a maple tree my father wanted to take down in the back yard…guess how we did it?

That’s not to say I wasn’t taught to be responsible with fire arms I learned the rules early on and while there were times I could have easily gone on a killing spree I knew better and knew the guns wouldn’t solve the problem.

185 Great White Snark  Feb 11, 2015 10:35:31am

re: #182 GlutenFreeJesus

I throw 1,000 rounds down the range just about every week. It’s fun and a great stress reliever.

IPSC?

186 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 10:35:36am

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh I remember the parking related shit people would go through when I was in college. Made me thankful I rode my bicycle or walked most days.

I recall incidents of people shooting each other in Chicago over parking places after the blizzard of 1978. Imagine spending five hours digging you car out and then having someone take “your” spot…

187 Ace-o-aces  Feb 11, 2015 10:36:36am

re: #164 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The first tweet in the series:

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Some people just want to watch the world burn :(

Reading that guys twitter feed, I think he was trying to be sarcastic and failing badly.

188 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:37:10am

White House defends time limit in military authorization measure, says security threats may be different in 3 years - @Reuters
end of alert

189 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:38:13am

re: #177 #FergusonFireside

Did he break into their apartment?

He probably shoved his way in.

190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 10:38:51am

re: #121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ok this is kind of amusing: Montana rep wants to outlaw yoga pants in public.

As long as he also bans jeans on men that show butt crack…

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 11, 2015 10:40:08am

re: #24 Jayleia

I do try to differentiate. Atheists I have a reasonable chance of getting along with, anti-theists I have very little chance of getting along with.

Anti-theists, by my standards, seem to operate on the same thought process as the more…irritating types of religious people. They’ve decided that their way is the One True Way and the believers are “heretics”…the irony is lost upon the anti-theist.

Of course, when I see “Muslims shot by self-described anti-theist”, my initial reaction is to jump to a conclusion (I don’t think it was entirely unreasonable based on what I’d read up to that point and given previous experiences, but still, I did jump to a conclusion).

Sounds like you’re trying to apply the wrong axis or grouping mechanism. Instead of explaining this by using the “atheist” and “religious” labels perhaps try “asshole” and “non-asshole”.
/

192 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 11, 2015 10:40:31am

re: #187 Ace-o-aces

I think he’s pissed and doesn’t care.

193 Bubblehead II  Feb 11, 2015 10:41:22am

Meat world stuff to do. See you all in a bit.

194 ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2015 10:43:48am

re: #182 GlutenFreeJesus

I throw 1,000 rounds down the range just about every week. It’s fun and a great stress reliever.

Sounds expensive. Not being a gun owner/user, how much does it cost to fire off 1,000 rounds? And, what caliber would that be?

195 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2015 10:44:24am

I’m going to choose to remember the victims here, rather than dissecting the mindset of their killer.

One of their wedding photographs.

A photographer.

The fundraiser for providing dental care to Syrian refugees.

These were three young people who were doing good in the world, and working to make positive changes. Beautiful lives. I hope I can be more of a person like the example they set in their short time here.

196 WhatEVs  Feb 11, 2015 10:46:27am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I recall incidents of people shooting each other in Chicago over parking places after the blizzard of 1978. Imagine spending five hours digging you car out and then having someone take “your” spot…

Thankfully, the people on our street (all 3+ unit buildings) were very respectful of the chairs that took up our cleaned out spots. We never had any incidents on our block.

I remember trying to start my car when it was, not just full of snow, but frigid (-40). That winter sucked.

197 KingKenrod  Feb 11, 2015 10:47:04am

re: #172 Charles Johnson

I haven’t read everything posted about this in the previous thread, but has anyone noted that Hicks actually denounced the “Ground Zero Mosque” insanity? That doesn’t sound like your typical Islamophobe.

Based on the excerpt I read at TPM, he was mostly upset by the hypocrisy of Christians who opposed the mosque.

198 Ace-o-aces  Feb 11, 2015 10:47:27am

JRW Stripped of U.S. Little League World Series Title For Violating Residency Rules

“This is a heartbreaking decision,” Little League International President and CEO Stephen D. Keener said in a statement. “What these players accomplished on the field and the memories and lessons they have learned during the Little League World Series tournament is something the kids can be proud of, but it is unfortunate that the actions of adults have led to this outcome.”

In addition, team manager Darold Butler was suspended from Little League activity and Illinois District 4 Administrator Michael Kelly was removed from his position, Little League International spokesman Brian McClintock said in a statement.

Source: nbcchicago.com
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Oh for fuck’s sake! is there nothing about kid’s sports adults can’t ruin?

199 ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2015 10:49:57am

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m going to choose to remember the victims here, rather than dissecting the mindset of their killer.

One of their wedding photographs.

A photographer.

The fundraiser for providing dental care to Syrian refugees.

These were three young people who were doing good in the world, and working to make positive changes. Beautiful lives. I hope I can be more of a person like the example they set in their short time here.

Your great comment triggered a thought.

There was a time when most people acted on what they believed in.

Anymore it seems some are more motivated by what they do not believe in.

Positive. Negative.

Too large a percentage of the mindset of the world today is definitely all about the negative. And a big slice of the media wallows in the negative. Negative never built much good.

It’s sad.

200 Justanotherhuman  Feb 11, 2015 10:50:44am

Later, Lizards!

201 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2015 10:51:05am

Ben, go fuck yourself with a rusty shovel

202 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2015 10:54:03am

House GOP to fill empty seats with staffers to ensure standing ovations for Netanyahu speech

203 Thanos  Feb 11, 2015 10:54:53am

Ed Brayton points out that some atheists are already raising “No true atheist” arguments:
freethoughtblogs.com

204 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 11, 2015 10:56:15am

re: #194 ObserverArt

Sounds expensive. Not being a gun owner/user, how much does it cost to fire off 1,000 rounds? And, what caliber would that be?

He saves on that by throwing them by hand, and then going out and picking them up to throw again the next week.
;P

205 Jayleia  Feb 11, 2015 10:57:30am

re: #168 Mattand

Its entirely possible that there is confirmation bias on my part, its also possible that I’ve gotten better at noticing things that were already there and its also possible that I’m right. I haven’t measured it, its not objective, its subjective.

And, BTW, you’re being silly. Some of my best friends are atheists, and SO AM I!

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

Probably a better mechanism, actually, but working with the tools I had and first reactions…

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 11, 2015 10:57:38am

re: #198 Ace-o-aces

JRW Stripped of U.S. Little League World Series Title For Violating Residency Rules

Source: nbcchicago.com
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Oh for fuck’s sake! is there nothing about kid’s sports adults can’t ruin?

The adults running the LL organization who did the stripping, or the team managers who broke the known rules regarding recruitment limits?

207 Great White Snark  Feb 11, 2015 10:57:47am

re: #194 ObserverArt

If a person paid retail for .45acp (pistol ammo) that would be north of $400. Reloading maybe half of that or a touch less.

208 ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2015 10:57:54am

re: #196 WhatEVs

Thankfully, the people on our street (all 3+ unit buildings) were very respectful of the chairs that took up our cleaned out spots. We never had any incidents on our block.

I remember trying to start my car when it was, not just full of snow, but frigid (-40). That winter sucked.

I used to park out front of my house. I have one smallish VW hatchback. I have neighbors that have three and four vehicles per house. Remember, big old classic homes with room for multi-family or multi-friend living. It got to a point I couldn’t find a spot to park. And do you think any of the neighbors really cared?

Snow? One time I was just finished cleaning out my parking spot and was getting ready to back into the cleaned spot when one of the dudes across the street drove up and pulled right into the just cleaned spot. He had to have seen I was in my car and the backup lights were on as I was in reverse.

I got out and said “Really” and he said oh…I didn’t see you there or know that was your spot, its a public street, and besides, I’m just going to be here for a while. Hours later, he was still there.

I now park in my garage after I got it cleaned all out from the building materials and deconstruction crap so I can use it and the rear alley.

Some people can just be unbelievable jackasses.

209 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2015 10:59:22am

re: #185 Great White Snark

Nope. Purely recreational. lol

210 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2015 11:00:05am

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds like you’re trying to apply the wrong axis or grouping mechanism. Instead of explaining this by using the “atheist” and “religious” labels perhaps try “asshole” and “non-asshole”.
/

This. My sister was bitching on FB about atheists, and I told her that her problem with the people she was complaining about wasn’t their atheism, it was their assholeism.

I do find it disconcerting to be grouped with assholes on the basis of NOT believing in the same thing. We don’t share a belief, we share a NON-belief. I also don’t believe in Santa Claus, but I don’t hear people talking about the Aclausist Community.

211 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2015 11:01:23am

re: #202 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

House GOP to fill empty seats with staffers to ensure standing ovations for Netanyahu speech

Imagine my surprise. Are they going to put distinguished-looking actors in the empty seats on the floor?

212 ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2015 11:02:46am

re: #210 Blind Frog Belly White

This. My sister was bitching on FB about atheists, and I told her that her problem with the people she was complaining about wasn’t their atheism, it was their assholeism.

I do find it disconcerting to be grouped with assholes on the basis of NOT believing in the same thing. We don’t share a belief, we share a NON-belief. I also don’t believe in Santa Claus, but I don’t hear people talking about the Aclausist Community.

Well…we now know you don’t watch FOX News!

/ (Santa is white…just in case you don’t know!)

213 ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2015 11:04:22am

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

Imagine my surprise. Are they going to put distinguished-looking actors in the empty seats on the floor?

So, it’s not really a political speech so much as a demonstration.

216 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2015 11:08:10am

re: #213 ObserverArt

So, it’s not really a political speech so much as a demonstration.

That was the intent from the beginning. The GOP gets to demonstrate their contempt for the majority of American voters, and Bibi gets a photo op.

217 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2015 11:08:16am

re: #213 ObserverArt

But don’t be critical! If you are, that makes you an anti-Semite!

218 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2015 11:11:11am

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

But don’t be critical! If you are, that makes you an anti-Semite!

Because after all, a guy elected with 23% of the vote in the country with the second largest Jewish population is the spokesman for all Jews everywhere.

219 ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2015 11:11:50am

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

But don’t be critical! If you are, that makes you an anti-Semite!

Just asking qwestyuns!

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 11, 2015 11:25:48am

re: #213 ObserverArt

So, it’s not really a political speech so much as a demonstration.

Pretty much standard behavior for the House floor currently.
/

221 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2015 12:25:42pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

Ben, go fuck yourself with a rusty shovel

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Because Jewish people, unlike a large share of the American electorate, know how to recognize and vote in their own best interests?

222 electrotek  Feb 11, 2015 6:35:57pm

Big up to Lorde for speaking out, though I’m honestly afraid to see the responses to her tweet:

223 BigPapa  Feb 12, 2015 3:58:09am

re: #5 Jayleia

How about a sincere and heartfelt fuck you to yourself. You are a result of all ignorant assholes on the internet.


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