American Family Association Loon Sandy Rios: ‘Real Experts’ Know Evolution Has Been ‘Disproven’

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Bryan Fischer isn’t the only swivel-eyed loon at the far right American Family Association. Their “governmental affairs director” Sandy Rios is also a special piece of work, and today RightWingWatch highlights her authoritative statements about the theory of evolution: Sandy Rios: ‘The Real Experts’ Know Evolution Has Been ‘Disproven’.

According to Rios, evolution has been completely “disproven” and all the real scientific experts (like her) know it. So why are so many so-called “scientists” still pushing this false, discredited idea? Because it’s now a “religion.”

“Evolution has become the religion of the elite,” Rios said. “It’s a religion to the [level of] fanaticism of what they would say was the people at the Scopes monkey trial, the Christians waving their Bibles who were not really thinking through the facts, they were just outraged because it was against God’s law. The truth of the matter is that the evolutionists like George Will, waving their evolutionary theory, have become as rabid and unreasoned as what they accuse the Scopes monkey religionists of doing to Darwin during that time. It has become a religion. Science has disproven so much of evolution…. These guys are wrong, Scott Walker is right.”

I’m always amazed when creationists try to use “religion” as an insult. Don’t they realize they’re implicitly insulting themselves? It’s the very definition of self-beclowning.

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54 comments
1 b_sharp  Feb 13, 2015 10:30:13am

They sure do have a strange flavour of expert in mind. Quite the spin they put on it.

2 Kragar  Feb 13, 2015 10:30:15am

Writing under the name “CADministry” — “CAD” being a reference to a Facebook advocacy group to which the writer belongs called “Christians Against Dinosaurs” — the mother began by complaining that “I am getting sick and tired of dinosaurs being forced on our children.”

“Something needs to be done,” she continued. “The science behind them is pretty flimsy, and I for one do not want my children being taught lies. Did you know that nobody had even heard of dinosaurs before the 1800s, when they were invented by curio-hungry Victorians?”

3 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 13, 2015 10:31:11am

As long as the Theory of Evolution has been “disproven,” but not disproved I’m okay.

4 D_Red  Feb 13, 2015 10:33:21am

George Will?

5 Justanotherhuman  Feb 13, 2015 10:34:19am

Rios is part of the Devolution, so it’s OK as long as it’s not forced on us.

The stupid really burns…

6 blueraven  Feb 13, 2015 10:34:37am

re: #2 Kragar

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Is this parody? So fucked up, if not.

7 Dr. Matt  Feb 13, 2015 10:34:54am
#creationists #creationism #bible #EVOLUTION
8 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2015 10:35:12am

*Insert Eyerolling gif here*

The claim that Evolution has been disproved is an old staple of Creationists. The idea seems to be to project confidence so that the rubes are fooled. Like the rest of Creationism, it’s flimflam.

9 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 13, 2015 10:35:30am

Everybody at the AFA is completely in-step with Bryan Fischer.

His firing was entirely cosmetic, a perfunctory ritual to channel attention away from the AFA paying for wingnut congressman to visit Israel…through the special Apocalypse-seeking, Hitler-was-gay lens of the AFA.

Every single hateful thing Bryan Fischer espouses is espoused by the AFA.

It is shameful that any politician would interact with this group, who are not merely hateful, but authoritarian, and unabashed in their position that many Americans deserve to have their rights stripped away, because “true” freedom is submission to their worldview.

They are fascist, the Eco sense of the word. Why are our politicians taking favors from fascists?

10 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2015 10:35:45am

re: #7 Dr. Matt

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Hence the popularity in the South….
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11 Eventual Carrion  Feb 13, 2015 10:37:12am

Why do they never name these scientists and the peer reviewed research and published papers from these “experts”? Why do the brain dead just take their word for it.

They like to just say “Dr” Whomever, and that is supposed to be enough. As if a doctor of dental surgery is the same as a doctor of cardiology surgery is the same as a doctor of divinity is the same as a doctor of literature. I’ll just give them my dentists name when they are looking to get open heart surgery, that should be enough for them.

12 Ace-o-aces  Feb 13, 2015 10:37:14am

re: #4 D_Red

George Will?

Guess Will doesn’t have a reason to deny evolution. He does love his fossil fuels after all.

13 Mattand  Feb 13, 2015 10:37:25am

re: #2 Kragar

“Something needs to be done,” she continued. “The science behind them is pretty flimsy, and I for one do not want my children being taught lies. Did you know that nobody had even heard of dinosaurs before the 1800s, when they were invented by curio-hungry Victorians?”

Do I even want to know?

All I can picture is people in handlebar mustaches and petticoats eating tiny porcelain knick-knacks.

14 lawhawk  Feb 13, 2015 10:37:59am

re: #7 Dr. Matt

And that all creatures would somehow flow (trying to think of a word other than hyper-evolve) from the few that were saved on the Ark a few thousand years ago.

Because we’re talking YECs, and in order to get the kind of numbers of species we have now, we’d have to see hyper-evolution on scale that would leave scientists breathless because it’s simply not possible.

So, what we get are a bunch of people claiming evolution on a long scale can’t possibly exist and that it’s been debunked, all while holding to the simultaneous belief that all creatures that came from an Ark turned into the flora and fauna we see today.

Yeah, there’s more than a little cognitive dissonance there.

15 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 13, 2015 10:38:49am
It has become a religion.

Isn’t that supposed to be good? Faith being the evidence of things not seen, etc.

/

16 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2015 10:40:00am

re: #2 Kragar

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“I’m sick and tired of Gravity being forced on our children! Did you know that nobody before the 17th Century even thought about Gravity? It was invented by a lazy English guy, who probably had a concussion!”

17 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 13, 2015 10:40:15am

re:
#12

George Will is about to get himself fairwelled out of the true patriot conservative Christian American club. /

18 b_sharp  Feb 13, 2015 10:40:19am

re: #14 lawhawk

And that all creatures would somehow flow (trying to think of a word other than hyper-evolve) from the few that were saved on the Ark a few thousand years ago.

Because we’re talking YECs, and in order to get the kind of numbers of species we have now, we’d have to see hyper-evolution on scale that would leave scientists breathless because it’s simply not possible.

So, what we get are a bunch of people claiming evolution on a long scale can’t possibly exist and that it’s been debunked, all while holding to the simultaneous belief that all creatures that came from an Ark turned into the flora and fauna we see today.

Yeah, there’s more than a little cognitive dissonance there.

Yup. Just a tad more.

19 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2015 10:50:05am

re: #14 lawhawk

And that all creatures would somehow flow (trying to think of a word other than hyper-evolve) from the few that were saved on the Ark a few thousand years ago.

Because we’re talking YECs, and in order to get the kind of numbers of species we have now, we’d have to see hyper-evolution on scale that would leave scientists breathless because it’s simply not possible.

So, what we get are a bunch of people claiming evolution on a long scale can’t possibly exist and that it’s been debunked, all while holding to the simultaneous belief that all creatures that came from an Ark turned into the flora and fauna we see today.

Yeah, there’s more than a little cognitive dissonance there.

All the 41 different cat species in the world today evolved from two cats within 4500 years - I can buy that. But the idea that cats and dogs evolved from a common ancestor over 40 Million years? That’s crazy talk!

20 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 13, 2015 10:51:44am

Again, if you are a Biblical literalist, then you must reject Evolution, science in general and even logic.

We have a word for people like this.

We cannot argue with them, just try to limit the amount of damage they can do to the rest of the nation.

21 Justanotherhuman  Feb 13, 2015 10:51:50am

Have a cigar…

Report: US State Department eases restrictions on imports from private Cuban entrepreneurs - @Reuters
cnbc.com

22 Justanotherhuman  Feb 13, 2015 10:53:45am

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Have a cigar…

Report: US State Department eases restrictions on imports from private Cuban entrepreneurs - @Reuters
cnbc.com

Woops, you might have to wait on those cigars.

23 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 13, 2015 11:00:38am

She’s dumb. Creationism* is dumb. Not all creationists are dumb, but the idea is dumb.

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* So that there are no misunderstandings, “creationism” in this context does not refer to the general idea that we’re created by God. It’s specifically a religion-based anti-evolutionary ideology.

24 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 13, 2015 11:01:24am

re: #2 Kragar

It’s a mildly funny satire.

25 Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2015 11:03:37am
26 aagcobb  Feb 13, 2015 11:04:51am

re: #2 Kragar

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Please tell them this is a parody group. Even if I was a creationist, I would be embarrassed by this level of stupid.

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 13, 2015 11:06:00am

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

All the 41 different cat species in the world today evolved from two cats within 4500 years - I can buy that. But the idea that cats and dogs evolved from a common ancestor over 40 Million years? That’s crazy talk!

That would explain all the cat and dog infighting. They’re cousins!
//

28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 13, 2015 11:06:41am

re: #27 Feline Fearless Leader

That would explain all the cat and dog infighting. They’re cousins!
//

We eat cousins every day. :)

29 b_sharp  Feb 13, 2015 11:08:01am

re: #28 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

We eat cousins every day. :)

I swear it was only that one time and I had no idea she was my cousin.

30 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 13, 2015 11:10:58am

re: #29 b_sharp

I swear it was only that one time and I had no idea she was my cousin.

I knew it would come to this joke.

31 mr.fusion  Feb 13, 2015 11:11:54am

Isn’t it interesting how the people using religion to justify their anti-science beliefs always criticize evolution and climate change as being a religion? It’s very odd

32 b_sharp  Feb 13, 2015 11:12:42am

re: #30 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I knew it would come to this joke.

It just had to come.

33 EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2015 11:13:00am

re: #23 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

She’s dumb. Creationism* is dumb. Not all creationists are dumb, but the idea is dumb.

——
* So that there are no misunderstandings, “creationism” in this context does not refer to the general idea that we’re created by God. It’s specifically a religious, anti-evolutionary ideology.

Indeed. I like to refer to creationism so defined as the Platonic Ideal of stupidity.

34 b_sharp  Feb 13, 2015 11:13:39am

re: #31 mr.fusion

Isn’t it interesting how the people using religion to justify their anti-science beliefs always criticize evolution and climate change as being a religion? It’s very odd

They try everything they can imagine to put science and religion on the same footing.

35 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 13, 2015 11:15:27am

outer moronia would become utterly irrelevant if wall st could no longer rely on it to win elections

36 EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2015 11:18:16am

re: #31 mr.fusion

Isn’t it interesting how the people using religion to justify their anti-science beliefs always criticize evolution and climate change as being a religion? It’s very odd

Not so odd, really. Once science is demoted to being just another religion, it can be dismissed as simply being wrong by the zealots confident that theirs is the “one true religion” (TM).

So they are not exactly using ‘religion’ as an insult.

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 13, 2015 11:19:17am

re: #31 mr.fusion

Isn’t it interesting how the people using religion to justify their anti-science beliefs always criticize evolution and climate change as being a religion? It’s very odd

Not if you’re convinced that yours (and only yours) is the correct and true religion. Therefore categorizing anything else as a religion is automatically placing it in the “wrong” bucket. And also makes it subject to the penalties, punishments, etc. that your true religion saves for non-followers.

38 Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2015 11:20:21am
39 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 13, 2015 11:23:26am

There is a whole continuum between hardcore creationism and evolution, starting with flat-earthism, proceeding to geocentrism, YEC, OEC and so on.
Then there are people who say that “evolution did happen, but maybe it couldn’t happen without God”. That’s nonsense and still sorta creationism, but at least they don’t deny the common descent which is so evident in the DNA.

40 b_sharp  Feb 13, 2015 11:26:29am

re: #39 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

There is a whole continuum between hardcore creationism and evolution, starting with flat-earthism, proceeding to geocentrism, YEC, OEC and so on.
Then there are people who say that “evolution did happen, but maybe it couldn’t happen without God”. That’s nonsense and still sorta creationism, but at least they don’t deny the common descent which is so evident in the DNA.

I didn’t descend from no dinosaur.

41 #FergusonFireside  Feb 13, 2015 11:27:21am
42 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 13, 2015 11:28:34am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

If evolution makes U happy deep down in your heart, keep worshipping it. But this I know, evolution is not science.

i defy the craven worshippers of gravity and their superstitious “falling down”!!

43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 13, 2015 11:31:13am

re: #40 b_sharp

I didn’t descend from no dinosaur.

that would be my cousin [rim shot]

44 ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2015 11:31:42am

After reading the last two threads, a little old song was playing through my onboard music system residing in my head. Thought it fitting to the discussions ongoing and the depth of the derp today. Take a listen if you choose, meanwhile I gonna keep reading just after I put on some boots.

…

Same thing every day - gettin’ up, goin’ to school.
No need for me complainin’ - my objection’s overruled, ahh!
Too much monkey business. Too much monkey business.
Too much monkey business for me to be involved in!

45 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 13, 2015 11:33:10am

re: #40 b_sharp

I didn’t descend from no dinosaur.

You are one.//

46 Great White Snark  Feb 13, 2015 11:34:01am

Those Bible fundies are nuts. Everyone who does real, solid research knows the earth is hollow. It’s the biggest cover up ever.

World Top Secret:
Our Earth IS Hollow!
Located at 87.7 degrees North and South Latitude are Polar Openings
that lead into the hollow interior of our planet where the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel today dwell in perfect harmony, with life spans equal to those of the Methuselahs of the Bible, whose only desire is to live in peace. Their flying saucers in defense of their country at times are seen on our surface world. They don’t come to destroy, they are waiting…

\

47 Kragar  Feb 13, 2015 11:35:19am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Worship Evolution? Like with burning incense and a little shrine to Darwin in our living room or something like that?

48 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 13, 2015 11:36:00am

re: #47 Kragar

Worship Evolution? Like with burning incense and a little shrine to Darwin in our living room or something like that?

I have two.

49 CuriousLurker  Feb 13, 2015 11:36:01am

re: #36 EPR-radar

Not so odd, really. Once science is demoted to being just another religion, it can be dismissed as simply being wrong by the zealots confident that theirs is the “one true religion” (TM).

So they are not exactly using ‘religion’ as an insult.

re: #37 Feline Fearless Leader

Not if you’re convinced that yours (and only yours) is the correct and true religion. Therefore categorizing anything else as a religion is automatically placing it in the “wrong” bucket. And also makes it subject to the penalties, punishments, etc. that your true religion saves for non-followers.

THIS. Both of you nailed it.

AFAIC religion & science are two completely different things that function in completely different ways. Religion is about belief and only requires faith, not empirical proof. Science is the exact opposite. They both serve a purpose, but what I don’t understand is why anyone tries to prove/disprove one with the other. I mean seriously, there’s really not any common ground to work from in terms of having a debate about it. It makes no sense to me.

Then again, it also makes no sense to me to go around bashing others’ religions as “wrong” when their beliefs (and I stress beliefs) are as sincerely held as my own. Just because something is MY truth doesn’t mean it has to be everyone’s.

50 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 13, 2015 11:41:45am

I have built the pie!
I decided to go with the Vanilla Cream Tart and fruit topping.

51 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2015 12:13:17pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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I just LOVE the way that people who don’t understand how Science works declare one of the best-supported Theories in all of Science “is not Science”.

Let me see - Darwin made observations of different forms of life.

He proposed an hypothesis to explain his observations.

That hypothesis makes many predictions - granularity of heredity, low but nonzero error rate in the replication of genetic material, change in genetic composition of a population as a result of selective pressure, and on, and on, and on. All of those predictions have turned out to be true.

No other competing hypothesis makes true predictions.

That IS Science.

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 13, 2015 12:17:58pm

re: #49 CuriousLurker

Your last sentence is why you fail to make headway against them.

Their creed all to often decrees that their truth is the only truth and that they are charged to go forth and make it everyone’s truth. Thus they get a nice self-reinforcing loop that they are supposed to interfere, and thus are also suppressed when their interference is resisted.

53 A Cranky One  Feb 13, 2015 1:52:58pm

re: #40 b_sharp

I didn’t descend from no dinosaur.

Then why are you a dinosaur? /ducks

54 Mich-again  Feb 15, 2015 8:30:44pm

If the science of evolution is invalid then we should eliminate the use of DNA evidence in Court. Remind them of that little detail.


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