Bill O’Reilly Is Spoiling for a Holy War

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Last night I took a quick run through right wing Twitter just for laughs, and saw tweet after tweet from self-identified “conservative Christian patriots” calling for every last person in the Middle East to be slaughtered in retribution for ISIS atrocities against Christians. I tweeted this after being exposed to all the bad craziness:

Little did I realize that the “holy war” meme would soon be the latest Fox News wingnut rallying cry; and here’s Bill O’Reilly going all in on it, saying the White House needs to realize we’re in a “holy war” and get this mass killing party on the road, pronto. Because Fox News is all about the teachings of Jesus Christ.

(Along the way he also attacks the State Department’s Marie Harf for suggesting that killing everybody might not be the best solution to ISIS. So my tweet above is 2 for 2.)

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100 comments
1 Doofus  Feb 18, 2015 11:34:20am

So ISIS is doing all this for shits and giggles?

2 Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2015 11:35:11am

The wingnuts I’ve been chatting with are absolutely furious that the President is not all but saying that this is a “holy war” and believe he refuses to say “Islamic terrorist” or “jihadist” because he’s trying to downplay the threat that Daesh pose.

3 jaunte  Feb 18, 2015 11:37:14am

Daesh tank factories are working day and night to churn out more armored vehicles.

4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2015 11:37:57am

Onward Christian soldiers, marching off to war
With William O’Reilly marching on all fours…

5 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 11:39:27am

So they’re totally on board with Daesh’s agenda, huh? I’m shocked! //

6 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 18, 2015 11:40:10am

When your opponent invites you to come be the other bread slice in an Apocalypse sandwich, you say NO.

7 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2015 11:40:27am

re: #1 Doofus

So ISIS is doing all this for shits and giggles?

…I’m not really sure how you get that out of the article, but ok…

8 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 11:41:10am

re: #6 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

When your opponent invites you to come be the other bread slice in an Apocalypse sandwich, you say NO.

I am SO saving that one.

9 jaunte  Feb 18, 2015 11:41:11am

Always funny to see O’Reilly speaking in the third person when he claims “Talking Points understands” something.

10 Kragar  Feb 18, 2015 11:41:38am

If Bill is so concerned about it, he and his buddies can go over there and fight them on their own.

11 iossarian  Feb 18, 2015 11:41:40am

Right-wing Jesus: “Turn the other cheek, unless it’s a day ending in Y, in which case, napalm the fucker.”

12 Doofus  Feb 18, 2015 11:42:39am

ISIS thinks we are in a defensive position:

To take one example: In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)

But Adnani was not merely talking trash. His speech was laced with theological and legal discussion, and his exhortation to attack crops directly echoed orders from Muhammad to leave well water and crops alone—unless the armies of Islam were in a defensive position, in which case Muslims in the lands of kuffar, or infidels, should be unmerciful, and poison away.

13 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 11:43:24am

re: #3 jaunte

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Daesh tank factories are working day and night to churn out more armored vehicles.

HURR HURR THEY DON’T NEED 2 BUILD THERE OWN TANKS, OBAMA IS GIVING THEM ALL OF ARE TANKS!!11!!1!!!!

14 team_fukit  Feb 18, 2015 11:43:44am

But oh yeah, remember, they also say that the Crusades and the Inquisition weren’t really *that* bad… so going on a holy war in the middle east really means hugs and kisses and projecting their rights while improving their lives ////

15 iossarian  Feb 18, 2015 11:44:41am

It would be so easy to turn the clock back to the middle ages and begin the slaughter. That’s (more or less) what the fanatics on both sides want.

So much harder (but more grown-up) to try to think of a better solution.

16 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 11:45:55am

Here’s fresh Derp hot off the #tcot griddle:

17 team_fukit  Feb 18, 2015 11:46:50am

“Pope” Billo issues papal bull

18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2015 11:47:25am

The US Armed Forces should then only allow True Christians (who pass a Faith Detector Test) to participate in such a war.

19 Justanotherhuman  Feb 18, 2015 11:48:10am

re: #12 Doofus

I take it this guy is one of the main self-appointed thugs.

20 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2015 11:48:22am

re: #12 Doofus

I think you have that backwards.

Unless we’re the armies of Islam.

21 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 11:48:35am
22 Varek Raith  Feb 18, 2015 11:48:42am

re: #12 Doofus

They are delusional.
Why should I care that they think that?

23 nines09  Feb 18, 2015 11:48:51am

re: #5 CuriousLurker

They are buying it and that should be no shock.

24 iossarian  Feb 18, 2015 11:49:08am

re: #17 team_fukit

“Pope” Billo issues papal bull

shit

25 b.d.  Feb 18, 2015 11:49:32am

AMASS YOUR TWITTERING ARMIES! WE’LL DESTROY ISIS AND ISLAM BY COMING UP WITH A POPULAR HASHTAG

26 Justanotherhuman  Feb 18, 2015 11:50:06am

Does any thinking person listen to O’Leilly anymore?

27 b.d.  Feb 18, 2015 11:50:42am

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

Does any thinking person listen to O’Leilly anymore?

He’s on FoxNews and those guys don’t ever change the channel.

28 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 18, 2015 11:50:56am

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

Does any thinking person listen to O’Leilly anymore?

Just RWNJs, but then, that fails the “thinking person” test, doesn’t it?

RBS

29 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2015 11:57:20am

Also, since the article this page is discussing has now popped up in the comments, I recommend that folks read the comments there, since there is some good discussion about it.

30 Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2015 11:57:56am
31 Justanotherhuman  Feb 18, 2015 11:58:03am

O’Leilly has committed theft.

“George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.
Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.”

theguardian.com

Of course, Bush borrowed that phrase from the Blues Brothers…

32 Dr. Matt  Feb 18, 2015 11:58:28am
Bill O’Reilly: A “Combat Vet” who never served in the US, or any other, military
33 Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2015 11:59:22am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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They really can’t stand the idea that the solution to dealing with terrorism is anything other than “Bomb them until they give up.” With the occasional suggestion of using a nuke as if it were just a slightly more powerful bomb.

34 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 12:00:08pm

See, Charles? I told you they were going to love that ISIS article.

35 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 12:00:14pm

re: #32 Dr. Matt

Image: Bill O’Reilly: A “Combat Vet” who never served in the US, or any other, military

Bill fought in the FRONT LINES in the War On Christmas!!!!

36 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2015 12:01:13pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

It certainly makes some things very clear.

37 blueraven  Feb 18, 2015 12:02:57pm

But of the 45 Sunni Muslim captives who were captured and burned to death by ISIL?

I listened to Fox yesterday after the story broke. They didn’t mention the religion of these poor souls.

Funny, that.

38 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 12:04:45pm

Lumberhead just posted a Rebuttal to the Atlantic Article on ISIS

39 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 12:06:41pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

They really can’t stand the idea that the solution to dealing with terrorism is anything other than “Bomb them until they give up.” With the occasional suggestion of using a nuke as if it were just a slightly more powerful bomb.

This. Y’know I wouldn’t shed so much as a single tear if every last member of Daesh dropped dead on the spot right this second, but “Bomb them until they give up,” simply isn’t going to work in this instance.

40 Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2015 12:08:23pm
41 Joe Bacon  Feb 18, 2015 12:08:37pm

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Methinks Bill-0 the Clown will still be playing with his Loofa in the shower…

42 Varek Raith  Feb 18, 2015 12:10:41pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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I’m skeptical.

43 SteelPH  Feb 18, 2015 12:10:43pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

HULK SMASH

44 lawhawk  Feb 18, 2015 12:12:27pm

re: #43 SteelPH

HULK SMASH

PUNY COMPUTER.

45 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 18, 2015 12:12:48pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t there some sort of toxic plasmosis parasite that caused mice to run to cats to be eaten? This malware sounds like the same thing, it drives your computer to self destruction.

46 Great White Snark  Feb 18, 2015 12:13:03pm

Struct constitutional Republican? Holy War? About that separation of church and state…..

47 Saint Stephen  Feb 18, 2015 12:13:24pm

The average RWNJ isn’t known for his (or her) nuanced thinking. When Bush invaded Iraq, one of the ostensible reasons for it was to save the Iraqi people from Saddam. The NJs went along with that. But as soon as the killing of contractors at Fallujah happened, the RWNJs were ready to nuke the place and kill everybody.

48 Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2015 12:13:55pm

re: #39 CuriousLurker

“Bomb them til they give up” doesn’t work so well with fanatics who sincerely believe that they’ll go straight to Paradise if they’re blown up.

What do you use to scare a death cult into backing down?

49 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 12:15:24pm

Well I dunno, if the donor is burned alive that kind of makes the organ unusable, doesn’t it?

50 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 18, 2015 12:15:49pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

So they’re totally on board with Daesh’s agenda, huh? I’m shocked! //

A someone living immersed in the dispensationalist Christian mindset, it would be more accurate to say that the wingnuts view the US military as an agent of their agenda. They think they’re riding herd on the most powerful military in the world.

Every time one of our troops shot an Afghan or Iraqi, or a drone levelled a building, that was the agency of God, funneled through the true believers in the US government.

I don’t know if you follow the Military Religious Freedom Foundation at all, but I find it’s work fascinating, but a bad portent. Aggressive proselytization in the ranks, abuse of rank to push religion. Obviously, we all know the “Creeping Sharia” concept…well, it’s projection. Dominionism—the at the core of the thinking of multiple megachurches, the Family, and spouted by several of our nuttier Congressman—is about infiltrating the state and turning it Christian (the very specific wingnut use of “Christian”).

When these folks talk “holy war,” it’s not as empty as it seems.

51 allegro  Feb 18, 2015 12:15:59pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

“Bomb them til they give up” doesn’t work so well with fanatics who sincerely believe that they’ll go straight to Paradise if they’re blown up.

What do you use to scare a death cult into backing down?

Keep screaming “LIVE!” and force feed them vitamins.

52 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 12:16:04pm
53 allegro  Feb 18, 2015 12:17:16pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

Well I dunno, if the donor is burned alive that kind of makes the organ unusable, doesn’t it?

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They offered discounts on singed livers.

54 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 12:17:55pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

“Bomb them til they give up” doesn’t work so well with fanatics who sincerely believe that they’ll go straight to Paradise if they’re blown up.

What do you use to scare a death cult into backing down?

Not only that, they’ll just melt into the civilian population. Who’s going to stop them? Certainly not the civilians who I’m sure are justifiably terrified of them, and they’ve shown that they have no compunctions whatsoever about being brutally violent thugs.

55 Kragar  Feb 18, 2015 12:18:47pm
56 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 12:19:29pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

Well I dunno, if the donor is burned alive that kind of makes the organ unusable, doesn’t it?

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*facepalm*

Oh, wait—don’t go anywhere, I have something for you that I saved dome last night. BRB.

57 Justanotherhuman  Feb 18, 2015 12:19:33pm

If you read Dabiq, the propaganda and recruitment online magazine of ISIL, you’ll see that theirs is an apocalyptic type of religion, very similar to fundamentalist christianity in the US. They use this language to justify the sexual enslavement of Yazidi women and girls, for instance, “idolators” in their eyes, and to further their ambitions of a caliphate beyond the borders of the Middle East.

58 Great White Snark  Feb 18, 2015 12:20:48pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

Well I dunno, if the donor is burned alive that kind of makes the organ unusable, doesn’t it?

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Except perhaps as a side dish.

59 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 18, 2015 12:22:46pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

THIS.

Not only that, they’ll just melt into the civilian population. Who’s going to stop them? Certainly not the civilians who I’m sure are justifiably terrified of them, and they’ve shown that they have no compunctions whatsoever about being brutally violent thugs.

60 Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2015 12:23:36pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

Not only that, they’ll just melt into the civilian population. Who’s going to stop them? Certainly not the civilians who I’m sure are justifiably terrified of them, and they’ve shown that they have no compunctions whatsoever about being brutally violent thugs.

Precisely.

61 Justanotherhuman  Feb 18, 2015 12:25:08pm

A little aside…he’s a burglar now?

Robert Van Winkle, known as Vanilla Ice, arrested for burglary in Lantana, Fla. - @nbc6
read more on nbcmiami.com

62 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 12:25:44pm

re: #50 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

A someone living immersed in the dispensationalist Christian mindset, it would be more accurate to say that the wingnuts view the US military as an agent of their agenda. They think they’re riding herd on the most powerful military in the world.

Every time one of our troops shot an Afghan or Iraqi, or a drone levelled a building, that was the agency of God, funneled through the true believers in the US government.

I don’t know if you follow the Military Religious Freedom Foundation at all, but I find it’s work fascinating, but a bad portent. Aggressive proselytization in the ranks, abuse of rank to push religion. Obviously, we all know the “Creeping Sharia” concept…well, it’s projection. Dominionism—the at the core of the thinking of multiple megachurches, the Family, and spouted by several of our nuttier Congressman—is about infiltrating the state and turning it Christian (the very specific wingnut use of “Christian”).

When these folks talk “holy war,” it’s not as empty as it seems.

Actually, I do follow the MRFF (I just finished reading his wife’s book on their hate mail). Yeah, the proselytization in the military is an enormous problem and it goes way up the ranks (like Boykin and Flynn, among others).

63 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 18, 2015 12:26:15pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

“Bomb them til they give up” doesn’t work so well with fanatics who sincerely believe that they’ll go straight to Paradise if they’re blown up.

What do you use to scare a death cult into backing down?

It also doesn’t work because refugee camps and bombed-out hellholes with no infrastructure or government are the seedbeds of yet another crazy militia/terrorist organization.

The world is too connected for the strategy of razing to solve a problem like Daesh. People can reach the conflict zone from across the globe in a matter of days. Money…in the millions and billions…moves in and out of the conflict zone. The regional population “supporting” Daesh are basically hostages mixed with some collaborators, so their morale isn’t going to affect the conflict, and their labor isn’t deeply connected to the logistical needs of Daesh.

64 Justanotherhuman  Feb 18, 2015 12:29:05pm

I don’t even think of ISIL as Sunnis; to me, they’re criminals using religion as a crutch and to make themselves appear “legit”.

65 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 12:30:55pm

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

Found it—it was just a matter of time:

Head Of IS A ‘Mossad Puppet’ Says Tajik Salafi Leader

A Salafi leader in Tajikistan has apparently written a scathing article condemning the Islamic State group as the “house of Satan” and its leader a “puppet” of the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, RFE/RL’s Tajik Service, Radio Ozodi, has reported.

Muhammad Rakhmullato, known as Mullah Muhammadi in Tajikistan, is the head of Salafyiyyah, an unregistered religious group in the Tajik capital Dushanbe, and was educated at a Pakistani madrassah. The article attributed to him, which is titled The Price Of A Mujahid [Islamist fighter] Is $70,000!, was published this week on the website of Tajikistan’s Farazh newspaper. […]

I just can’t even…. *smh, facepalm, headdesk*

66 Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2015 12:32:05pm
67 Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2015 12:34:03pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

Found it—it was just a matter of time:

I just can’t even…. *smh, facepalm, headdesk*

That’s been going around for quite some time now; I’m not sure who started it, but the story goes that al-Baghdadi is the nom de guerre of one Shimon Eliat, who in the iteration of the story I saw, is alleged to be a deep-cover MOSSAD agent.

68 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 18, 2015 12:34:04pm

Ok. So what the fuck is he waiting for? Go to Iraq already, you tool.

69 Kragar  Feb 18, 2015 12:34:29pm
70 Stephen T.  Feb 18, 2015 12:35:34pm

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The US Armed Forces should then only allow True Christians (who pass a Faith Detector Test) to participate in such a war.

There are many, many non-Christian service men who cold tell you stories about how uncomfortable their service was and is, and how little is done about it by those in the chain of command.

71 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 12:40:54pm

re: #67 Dr Lizardo

That’s been going around for quite some time now; I’m not sure who started it, but the story goes that al-Baghdadi is the nom de guerre of one Shimon Eliat, who in the iteration of the story I saw, is alleged to be a deep-cover MOSSAD agent.

I wonder if that’s where my doctor got it from.

72 Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2015 12:42:00pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

I wonder if that’s where my doctor got it from.

Could be. I first encountered that story last year, when Da’esh was making their big push in Iraq.

73 Justanotherhuman  Feb 18, 2015 12:46:11pm

Guess who else over at FN is advocating for a crusade?

Fr. Jonathan Morris Says Ground Forces Needed To Save Middle East Christians
Read more at newshounds.us

74 lawhawk  Feb 18, 2015 12:53:48pm

Who had that photo of a bra holster earlier?

Because apparently that’s not a good place to have a holster. Or a loaded gun. Or a loaded gun with a round in the chamber. Or have the safety off.

75 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 18, 2015 1:00:04pm

Because I can never resist posting this when the topic is Bill O’Reilly:

76 Great White Snark  Feb 18, 2015 1:04:57pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Who had that photo of a bra holster earlier?

Because apparently that’s not a good place to have a holster. Or a loaded gun. Or a loaded gun with a round in the chamber. Or have the safety off.

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Or do all that and grab the trigger just to move the thing. AKA “Honey get me a match, I can’t see the gas leak” and “hold my beer while I…”

77 Teukka  Feb 18, 2015 1:05:00pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

They really can’t stand the idea that the solution to dealing with terrorism is anything other than “Bomb them until they give up.” With the occasional suggestion of using a nuke as if it were just a slightly more powerful bomb.

Only it isn’t just a more powerful bomb. Blast is only one of the three main effects of a nuclear weapon, the other two being heat and radiation.

The blast is immense. Even for small devices, it has been likened as “a big door deep down in hell slamming shut,” The blast alone will kill people within a certain radius from the blast, the fortunate ones immediately.

The heat is intense, it will set things on fire for a great distance away. To give you an example, the burn radius around the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts was on the order of 2 to 3 miles. And by burn radius, I mean searing heat which will cause 3rd degree burns easily if it doesn’t set you on fire, and embed your shadow on the wall behind you.

But the most horrific effect of a nuke is radiation. The fireball during a the first few moments of a blast is caused by a witches brew of gamma, neutron and x-ray radiation literarily setting the air around the nuke on fire, which in turn causes the burn and then the air expanding from the heat causes the blast.
And it doesn’t stop there. I will spare you the gory specifics of of a mass casualty event complicated by things like the “walking ghost phase” and Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS),
suffice to say that people will die immediately as well as in the weeks and months after the blast, divided roughly 50/50 (immediate/delayed).

Not to mention that one can expect only 1/5 of healthcare resources in a nuked area to survive, and that fifth has to deal with a simply massive mass casualty event.

Click to Reveal

The walking ghost phase —also known as the latent phase— of radiation poisoning is a period of apparent health, lasting for hours or days, following a dose of 10-50 sieverts of radiation. As its name would suggest, the walking ghost phase is followed by certain death. The phase of apparent recovery is due to the lag time of the effects of radiation poisoning to surface. While the irradiation has resulted in bone marrow destruction and death of many rapidly multiplying cells, the surface effects do not become apparent until later.

For example, irradiation kills the rapidly dividing cells of the gastrointestinal tract, however diarrhea is not apparent until the cells begin to slough off, coming out in bloody excrement. Loss of this protective lining exposes the body to bacteria within the gut causing sepsis. Also, this causes an inability to absorb nutrition from food. This is the same with the rapidly proliferating cells of the immune system. Irradiation essentially halts white blood cell production by destroying bone marrow, however the remaining white blood cells within the body are still temporarily working, until they are “used up”.

And on top of all, a “walking ghost” as well as any unfortunate indivudual soaking up a lethal radiation dose will not necessarily die quickly, nor painlessly. The pain has been documented to be so intense that even the strongest painkillers known to man, Fentanyl, has been described as merely taking the edge off of the worst of the pain.

And with only one fifth of the healthcare structure in place — at best — such potent painkillers (hell, any painkillers) will be reserved for patients who have not been triaged as “Expectant”.

I think you can visualize the scene now, so I’ll stop.

With ISIS being as adept at media use as they are, they will milk a nuking for all its worth, and frankly, even if they didn’t, the imagery coming out of the site will be enough to give them a boost in the number of recruits.

Sorry, but these “nuke ‘em all and let God sort them out” idiots really get to me. Only way a country has even a chance of getting away from using a nuke without massive PR blowback is if one or a few are used in direct retaliation for a nuking, and even then, it’s iffy.

Suffice to say that I can leave you with this demonstration to use at these
(dern, I know not of an insult appropriate enough):

Take a grapefruit or big orange (or a fruit or object that size), and tell them that is the business part of a nuke. Tell them that anything within a mile of it going off will be dead. Tell them that it will burn anything within another mile of it. And blast most things within yet another mile to smithereens.
Then start peeling the fruit if you use such, as you point out that you described “a small one”, that most devices in the US and Russian arsenal are about 20 to a 100 times more powerful than that.
And again, if using a fruit, this is the juncture at which to eat it.

You’ll know your point has gone across when your audience turns ashen grey to green.

For more information (reader discretion is strongly advised):
Effects of Nuclear Explosions

78 Lidane  Feb 18, 2015 1:08:01pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

The wingnuts I’ve been chatting with are absolutely furious that the President is not all but saying that this is a “holy war” and believe he refuses to say “Islamic terrorist” or “jihadist” because he’s trying to downplay the threat that Daesh pose.

Shit, ISIS would love to have POTUS on the record saying that the United States is in a holy war with Islam. That single soundbite would be the greatest recruitment tool they could ever hope for.

79 Great White Snark  Feb 18, 2015 1:09:04pm

re: #77 Teukka

Somehow in wingnut land, nothing discredits an apocalyptic army and attempted genocide like a call for a nuclear genocide against them.

80 Teukka  Feb 18, 2015 1:10:35pm

re: #79 Great White Snark

Somehow in wingnut land, nothing discredits an apocalyptic army and attempted genocide like a call for a nuclear genocide against them.

Unfortunately, that is the case in Winguttia.
*returns to headdesking while groaning*

81 Lidane  Feb 18, 2015 1:12:41pm

re: #79 Great White Snark

Somehow in wingnut land, nothing discredits an apocalyptic army and attempted genocide like a call for a nuclear genocide.

I’ve had RWNJs seriously suggest that the United States should nuke Mecca and Medina because it would force the rest of the Muslim world to fight against ISIS. You know, because there’s no downside to that idea.

82 Kragar  Feb 18, 2015 1:15:25pm

re: #81 Lidane

I’ve had RWNJs seriously suggest that the United States should nuke Mecca and Medina because it would force the rest of the Muslim world to fight against ISIS. You know, because there’s no downside to that idea.

We should nuke Canada.

Its the last thing ISIS would suspect!

83 Jack Burton  Feb 18, 2015 1:16:10pm

re: #81 Lidane

I’ve had RWNJs seriously suggest that the United States should nuke Mecca and Medina because it would force the rest of the Muslim world to fight against ISIS. You know, because there’s no downside to that idea.

RWNJ’s have been looking for an excuse to nuke Mecca since… as long as I can remember. At least 9/11 if not the Beirut bombing in the 80s.

84 Teukka  Feb 18, 2015 1:17:58pm

re: #81 Lidane

I’ve had RWNJs seriously suggest that the United States should nuke Mecca and Medina because it would force the rest of the Muslim world to fight against ISIS. You know, because there’s no downside to that idea.

Really? Fucking nuking Mecca and Medina? Really?

*SMH*

Seriously, that would be an event which would cause me to go out to buy myself a nice prayer rug, a Quran and maybe taking notes on the basics of Islam, and start practicising this phrase:

لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, mu𞉚mmadun rasūlu-llāh
(There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.)

Because at that point, Christianity on the planet is probably thoroughly sodomized.

85 danarchy  Feb 18, 2015 1:17:59pm

re: #77 Teukka

You’ll know your point has gone across when your audience turns ashen grey to green.

Unfortunately most would respond with “so what, the bigger the better.”

86 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 18, 2015 1:18:11pm

re: #81 Lidane

I’ve had RWNJs seriously suggest that the United States should nuke Mecca and Medina because it would force the rest of the Muslim world to fight against ISIS. You know, because there’s no downside to that idea.

Yea… that’s the ticket. Destroy to two most holy sites there are, that will certainly win hearts and minds. Are these peoples brains full of squirming worms or what?

RBS

87 Teukka  Feb 18, 2015 1:19:51pm

re: #85 danarchy

Unfortunately most would respond with “so what, the bigger the better.”

Stop. It is at these times I wish I had one of those “pain boxes” from the Dune universe.

88 lawhawk  Feb 18, 2015 1:20:43pm

re: #77 Teukka

And if you want to see what any of those devices will do to any part of the planet, just plug the coordinates into this handy-dandy calculator, dial up the weapon size, and identify the height that the weapon detonates.

It’ll even figure out the casualties from single or multiple nukes.

89 Jack Burton  Feb 18, 2015 1:20:55pm

re: #81 Lidane

I’ve had RWNJs seriously suggest that the United States should nuke Mecca and Medina because it would force the rest of the Muslim world to fight against ISIS. You know, because there’s no downside to that idea.

Also… this logic is like if

Iran nuked Jerusalem and Rome, because it would make us attack Saudi Arabia.

What… No… Things don’t make sensssssssssseeeeeeeee…

90 scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2015 1:21:39pm

re: #77 Teukka

The wingnuts won’t care. It’s not gonna hurt them, and it will hurt brown people. As far as these psychos are concerned, it’s a win-win.

91 Lidane  Feb 18, 2015 1:22:39pm

re: #86 RealityBasedSteve

Yea… that’s the ticket. Destroy to two most holy sites there are, that will certainly win hearts and minds. Are these peoples brains full of squirming worms or what?

RBS

Apparently it would prove that Obama is serious about fighting terrorism or something.

92 Teukka  Feb 18, 2015 1:23:12pm

re: #88 lawhawk

And if you want to see what any of those devices will do to any part of the planet, just plug the coordinates into this handy-dandy calculator, dial up the weapon size, and identify the height that the weapon detonates.

It’ll even figure out the casualties from single or multiple nukes.

I know of several of such calculators. I even have plans for one of those rotary disc type calculators laying around on my hard drive somewhere.
It’s how I know that the magnitude of PR blowback on anyone stupid enough to use one will be… Unprecedented and unexpected?

93 lawhawk  Feb 18, 2015 1:24:30pm

re: #83 Jack Burton

1979, they were calling to nuke Iran. 1983, they were calling to nuke Mecca. 1993 they were back to calling for nuking Mecca. 2001. Rinse and repeat.

We’re right back where we started.

And if Reagan didn’t nuke Lebanon, Iran, Syria, or any other Middle Eastern country after the Beirut bombing killed 241 US servicemembers, then no one would. Heck, after lobbing a few rounds from the USS New Jersey, he didn’t do much else, except decide on a course of action allowing arms to be sold to Iran (initially via Israel) to fund the contra rebels.

94 EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2015 1:24:33pm

re: #81 Lidane

I’ve had RWNJs seriously suggest that the United States should nuke Mecca and Medina because it would force the rest of the Muslim world to fight against ISIS. You know, because there’s no downside to that idea.

That’s how many on the US right have earned their ‘RWNJ’ label. They really are nut jobs.

The problem is that the RWNJs are numerous. Furthermore, they get a significant boost in their political power from relatively sane fools that persist in voting GOP because the Democrats are somehow worse than the RWNJs.

95 Khal Wimpo  Feb 18, 2015 1:25:09pm

re: #86 RealityBasedSteve

Yea… that’s the ticket. Destroy to two most holy sites there are, that will certainly win hearts and minds. Are these peoples brains full of squirming worms or what?

RBS

Usually, when confronted with the fact that after a nuking, everyone else in the region would declare war on the U.S. & escalate all attacks, the response is “So? Nuke them too. Keep doing it until it stops.”

Pointing out that this would cause nuclear winter, poison the entire planet with radioactive fallout and kill 90% of America, they start spouting the “Pay any price, bear any burden” shit, and then talk about how they’d be OK, because they’ve had the foresight to buy all those “Go Bags” off Fox News full of rice and beans.

You cannot reason with these people. They have the mentality of a toddler. Murdering 90% of people in North America in response to some beheadings on a beach in Libya seems totes rational to them.

96 Teukka  Feb 18, 2015 1:25:10pm

re: #90 scottslemmons

The wingnuts won’t care. It’s not gonna hurt them, and it will hurt brown people. As far as these psychos are concerned, it’s a win-win.

It’s gonna hurt them. Bad.

97 CuriousLurker  Feb 18, 2015 1:31:13pm

re: #77 Teukka

Only it isn’t just a more powerful bomb. Blast is only one of the three main effects of a nuclear weapon, the other two being heat and radiation. [snip]

This. How do you prevent the fallout from possibly landing all over our allies, including Israel? I know they don’t really care how many Muslims get killed, but you’d think they wouldn’t want Israel screwed up—after all. that might mess up the whole Armageddon/End Times.

Wait. Maybe that’s what they’re trying to do, trigger The End™ because they’re certain they’re going to win.

98 Kid A  Feb 18, 2015 2:31:47pm

...

99 BadExampleMan  Feb 18, 2015 10:02:07pm
100 Pip's Squeak  Feb 19, 2015 12:15:10am

re: #53 allegro

They offered discounts on singed livers.

This is not funny.


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