Rudy Giuliani Enters the “Non-Apology Apology” Phase of the Wingnut Cycle

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Rudy Giuliani is now doing the well-known Wingnut Walk-Back, after his ugly statements that President Obama doesn’t love America; he’s already gone through the initial hate speech eruption and the denial stage, and now it’s time for the non-apology apology.

Obviously, I cannot read President Obama’s mind or heart, and to the extent that my words suggested otherwise, it was not my intention. When asked last week whether I thought the president was a patriot, I said I did, and would repeat that. I bear him no ill will, and in fact think that his personal journey is inspiring and a testament to much of what makes this country great.

He’s not apologizing, of course, we all know that. He meant to spew that nastiness, and he’s only saying these things because he dimly perceives the possibility of political damage for the Republican Party, after putting Scott Walker on the spot and forcing him to pander to the far right as well.

See, he was just “trying to start a conversation.”

But whether you agree or not with what I said last week, I hope the intention behind those words can be the basis for a real conversation about national leadership and the importance of confidence and optimism in framing America’s way forward. I hope also that our president will start acting and speaking in a way that draws sharp, clear distinctions between us and those who threaten our way of life.

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1 TedStriker  Feb 23, 2015 11:07:30am

Yeah, I ain’t buying this, Rudy…

2 Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2015 11:08:44am

Too late, Rudy, the derp’s already out of the bottle. Your party’s already taken this shit and ran with it. About the only thing it hasn’t done yet is form a committee and schedule hearings into whether or not the President loves America.

3 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 11:09:01am

I’m not trying to say I know for a fact that Rudy is dry-humping the memory of 9/11 to line his pockets every chance he gets. I’m just trying to start the conversation.

4 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 11:10:30am

The Glennies are going to be pissed:

Silverstein also got specific about his gripes with First Look editor Glenn Greenwald, who won a Pulitzer Prize last year for his coverage of the National Security Agency.

“Glenn’s role at FL is troubling in some ways, especially standing by silently (as far as I can tell) and tolerating the terrible actions of corporate management. Glenn’s work is excellent but Matt would never put up with the bullshit from management that Glenn has,” Silverstein wrote.

5 Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2015 11:12:24am

It’s the non-apology “apology,” followed by the “I was just starting a conversation” grenade toss. And the scores? 10.0, 10.0, 10.0, 10.0 and 5.2 from the Russian judge.

6 iossarian  Feb 23, 2015 11:13:20am

Rudy:

I hope also that our president will start acting and speaking in a way that draws sharp, clear distinctions between us and those who threaten our way of life.

Yup. The new president can start by trashing the right-wing nutters who want to take us back to the middle ages.

7 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 11:14:37am

Finally home after a week in Barcelona and Madrid. I’m kaputt. :)

8 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 11:15:37am

re: #6 iossarian

Rudy:

Yup. The new president can start by trashing the right-wing nutters who want to take us back to the middle ages.

nobody cares what you think rudy911, stfu.

9 b.d.  Feb 23, 2015 11:16:42am

Rudy really stepped in it this time and the people who typically would come to his defense aren’t there because they’re busy attaching themselves to potential candidates and don’t want that needless controversy slime to touch them.

So sorry Rudy, if you find your friends again let us know.

10 goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2015 11:16:50am

re: #4 Kragar

The Glennies are going to be pissed:

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Oh shit. Mona Holland is crawling out of her well as we speak.

11 b.d.  Feb 23, 2015 11:17:02am

re: #7 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Finally home after a week in Barcelona and Madrid. I’m kaputt. :)

Welcome home, hope you brought us something nice.

12 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 11:17:04am

re: #7 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Finally home after a week in Barcelona and Madrid. I’m kaputt. :)

13 goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2015 11:18:27am

But black slave owners!

14 ramex  Feb 23, 2015 11:19:38am

As far as I’m concerned, it’s Rudy Giuliani and his fellow travelers who threaten our way of life. I’m somewhat involved in the SoCal punk scene, and what I’ve been seeing at shows lately, especially in Long Beach and Anaheim, is disturbing. White power skinheads who not too many years ago were too scared to come out to shows are now showing up with alarming frequency. Their goal is terror, plain and simple. They come out to intimidate, and to keep people from going to shows. The political climate in this country, the mainstreaming of racist ideologies by the GOP and their media cohorts, is a major factor in the resurgence of these swastika-adorned assholes feeling free to come out into polite society, wearing their hatred on their sleeves.

15 iossarian  Feb 23, 2015 11:19:50am

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

So tiresome.

16 aagcobb  Feb 23, 2015 11:20:22am

Rudy

I hope also that our president will start acting and speaking in a way that draws sharp, clear distinctions between us and those who threaten our way of life.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

You mean like he did in these speeches?

17 Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2015 11:20:34am

How badly has Rudy screwed the pooch? So badly that Faux is chucking him under the bus:

18 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2015 11:21:35am

re: #17 Targetpractice

But they still don’t say a fucking thing about O’Reilly.

19 jaunte  Feb 23, 2015 11:22:15am

re: #17 Targetpractice

Republicans should not be held responsible

“Holding a group responsible for the actions of one of its members is just not what we do here at Fox.”

20 jaunte  Feb 23, 2015 11:23:00am

We need a “wingnut cynic” font.

21 Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2015 11:25:19am

And in related news about Faux, O’Reilly declared “bulletproof”:

22 Mattand  Feb 23, 2015 11:25:32am

re: #17 Targetpractice

How badly has Rudy screwed the pooch? So badly that Faux is chucking him under the bus:

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As a Republican, if you’ve lost the Legion of Stupid, you’re screwed.

23 TedStriker  Feb 23, 2015 11:26:30am

re: #21 Targetpractice

And in related news about Faux, O’Reilly declared “bulletproof”:

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But, of course…

24 iossarian  Feb 23, 2015 11:26:44am

re: #22 Mattand

As a Republican, if you’ve lost the Legion of Stupid, you’re screwed.

But not for long. Memories are short in nutterland. A by-product of having to constantly believe new bullshit that contradicts the old bullshit.

25 thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2015 11:27:27am

re: #24 iossarian

But not for long. Memories are short in nutterland. A by-product of having to constantly believe new bullshit that contradicts the old bullshit.

To use one of our favorite metaphors, “it’s just a flesh wound.”

26 goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2015 11:28:07am

At the intersection of political conservatism and disgusting cock pic avenues.

27 lawhawk  Feb 23, 2015 11:28:59am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

More reporters come forward contradicting O’Reilly’s version of events. So far, no one has actually corroborated anything he’s said re: Falklands War coverage from Buenos Aires.

28 Mattand  Feb 23, 2015 11:29:01am

It should also be pointed out that Scott Walker, Fox, et. al., had every opportunity to denounce Rudy’s statements from the outset, but waited a few days to see which way the wind was blowing.

I’ll give Bobby Jindal credit, though; he stuck with his guns. He saw a pile of shit shaped like an Obama insult and happily dove in head first, rubbing it all over himself like Curly taking a bath in a 3 Stooges short.

29 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 11:31:09am

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

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At the intersection of political conservatism and disgusting cock pic avenues.

“conservative dude who’ll fight back tyrants till the death”

There’s a bit of a contradiction there…

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2015 11:31:30am

In Alabama, YIKES:

31 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 11:31:58am

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

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At the intersection of political conservatism and disgusting cock pic avenues.

His math apparently subtracts the number of black slave owners from white slave owners to determine how evil owning a slave really is.

32 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 11:33:26am

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

But black slave owners!

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Yeah. Slavery wasn’t racist because there were black slave owners. Of course there weren’t white slaves, but we’ll ignore that….

33 Mattand  Feb 23, 2015 11:33:26am

re: #27 lawhawk

More reporters come forward contradicting O’Reilly’s version of events. So far, no one has actually corroborated anything he’s said re: Falklands War coverage from Buenos Aires.

As iossarian pointed out, it’s not going to stick. That is one of the geniuses of Fox News: they literally can say anything they want because of the lack of critical thought among their viewers.

Just scream “LIBRUL MEEDYA PLOT!!” and ignore. To call back to Star Trek ref a few threads back, it’s the Kobayashi Maru scenario: just fix the game so you never lose.

34 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 23, 2015 11:34:08am

Got this fascinating animation on Facebook today:

Japanese artist Isao Hashimoto has created a beautiful, undeniably scary time-lapse map of the 2053 nuclear explosions which have taken place between 1945 and 1998, beginning with the Manhattan Project’s “Trinity” test near Los Alamos and concluding with Pakistan’s nuclear tests in May of 1998. This leaves out North Korea’s two alleged nuclear tests in this past decade (the legitimacy of both of which is not 100% clear).

Unfortunately it came with this comment from a noted Lubbock GOP pundit:

If only 1% was used on the Islamic Jihad then the beheading, raping, and burning of victims would be drastically reduced.

Yeah, too bad we didn’t have a bunch of nukes to use in France and Belgium in 1944, would have made short work of all the Nazi troops deployed there!

*Headdesk*

35 lawhawk  Feb 23, 2015 11:34:52am
36 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2015 11:35:36am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m gonna guess they didn’t use the emergency exit to evacuate.

37 CuriousLurker  Feb 23, 2015 11:36:04am

They can never just say, “What I did was wrong. I’m sorry, Mr. President.”

Period. Full stop.

Self justification is worse than the original offense. —Sufi proverb

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 23, 2015 11:36:15am

re: #17 Targetpractice

How badly has Rudy screwed the pooch? So badly that Faux is chucking him under the bus:

So, Rudi is being declared a “lone wolf” pundit now?
//

39 Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2015 11:37:00am

Meanwhile, Jim Hoft has gone full metal racist today.

40 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 11:37:45am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Jim Hoft has gone full metal racist today.

CCJ must be forcing him to up his game

41 Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2015 11:38:24am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Jim Hoft has gone full metal racist today.

It must be a day ending in “-y”.

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 23, 2015 11:38:40am

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. Slavery wasn’t racist because there were black slave owners. Of course there weren’t white slaves, but we’ll ignore that….

They just used the alternate “wage slavery”* system for whites.

* - Which, if you read some of the historical 1850s rhetoric, was much worse and abusive of people than chattel slavery since you discarded the worker if they got sick or old.
///

43 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 11:39:00am

Fucking pro-slavery wingnut thinks I am her slave “Step to it quick!”

44 Mattand  Feb 23, 2015 11:39:56am

re: #40 Kragar

CCJ must be forcing him to up his game

MARKET FORCES AT WORK! ALL HAIL THE INVISIBLE HAND!

45 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2015 11:40:08am

re: #37 CuriousLurker

If they say that, they lose the base. And as Dark tells us, nothing is more important than winning elections.

Definitely not personal integrity.

46 Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2015 11:40:19am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

It must be a day ending in “-y”.

No, this one is actually quite a bit farther than he’s gone before.

47 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 11:40:40am

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

But black slave owners!

Well, did you leave out ALL the black slave owners? There were millions of them, I’m sure. How many states did ALL these black slave owners control?

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48 Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2015 11:41:02am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

No, this one is actually quite a bit farther than he’s gone before.

To quote the great George Takei, “Oh, my…..” and not in the good way.

49 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 11:41:30am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Fucking pro-slavery wingnut thinks I am her slave “Step to it quick!”

checkmate, libtards!!!!11

50 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 11:41:48am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Fucking pro-slavery wingnut thinks I am her slave “Step to it quick!”

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States’ rights to do what, exactly? Come on, chop-chop, time’s a-wastin’, make it march…

51 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 11:42:26am

re: #40 Kragar

CCJ must be forcing him to up his game

CCJ is really lowering the bar.

52 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 11:42:38am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

States’ rights.
To do what?
Own slaves.
Morans.

53 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 11:43:22am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Got this fascinating animation on Facebook today:

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Video

Unfortunately it came with this comment from a noted Lubbock GOP pundit:

Yeah, too bad we didn’t have a bunch of nukes to use in France and Belgium in 1944, would have made short work of all the Nazi troops deployed there!

*Headdesk*

That was like listening to popcorn pop in the microwave, just waiting for the pops to slow down.

54 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 11:44:07am

re: #37 CuriousLurker

They can never just say, “What I did was wrong. I’m sorry, Mr. President.”

Period. Full stop.

NO APOLOGIES!!!!!111

55 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 11:45:08am
But whether you agree or not with what I said last week, I hope the intention behind those words can be the basis for a real conversation about national leadership and the importance of confidence and optimism in framing America’s way forward. I hope also that our president will start acting and speaking in a way that draws sharp, clear distinctions between us and those who threaten our way of life.

Because what we really need is a President who will project the optimism of bedwetting Conservatives that ISIS will murder us all in our beds, because this situation is SO MUCH SCARIER than when the USSR had 10,000 nukes all pointed at us and a bunch of Vodka-soaked old guys in charge, or when the two mightiest war machines in the history of mankind - and Italy - were blowing up our shipping and had just sunk a big chunk of our Pacific fleet.

56 Jenner7  Feb 23, 2015 11:45:53am

re: #52 Varek Raith

Yeah. My Brother was trying to argue the war was more about states rights than slavery and me and my Mom just a looked at each other like “um”…..

You’ll get a lot of looks like that at our dinner table. We are strong liberal women who don’t mind sharing our opinions. And the men are outnumbered. Hahahaha! lol

57 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 11:46:13am

re: #55 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, yes, I forgot, RWNJ just want to have a conversation about national leadership…..

//

58 b.d.  Feb 23, 2015 11:46:57am

Snowie, Poitras & Greenwald are doing an Ask Me Anything on Redditt and the Redditt software thinks Snowden is a Russian spammer troll:

[-]_EdwardSnowdenEDWARD SNOWDEN[S] 153 points 11 minutes ago
Wow the questions really blew up on this one. Let me start digging in…
To be honest, I laughed at NPH. I don’t think it was meant as a political statement, but even if it was, that’s not so bad. My perspective is if you’re not willing to be called a few names to help out your country, you don’t care enough.
“If this be treason, then let us make the most of it.”
Note: reddit is rate-limiting my replies to one per ten minutes (“you are doing that too much! try again in 9 minutes…”), guys. Sorry for the slow responses.

reddit.com

59 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 11:47:34am

So glad I was finally able to upload/download Explorer version 38.7 on the office computer so I can UPDING ALL THE THINGS!!!!

60 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 11:48:02am

re: #58 b.d.

Snowie, Poitras & Greenwald are doing an Ask Me Anything on Redditt and the Redditt software thinks Snowden is a Russian spammer troll:

reddit.com

Ha!

61 Mattand  Feb 23, 2015 11:48:17am

re: #56 Jenner7

Yeah. My Brother was trying to argue the war was more about states rights than slavery and me and my Mom just a looked at each other like “um”…..

You’ll get a lot of looks like that at our dinner table. We are strong liberal women who don’t mind sharing our opinions. And the men are outnumbered. Hahahaha! lol

Christ, we are nearly 150 years out from the end of the Civil War, and people still are denial about slavery in this country.

And in every one of these conversations, somehow the right of a state to legalize slavery never comes up.

62 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 11:49:08am

re: #61 Mattand

Christ, we are nearly 150 years out from the end of the Civil War, and people still are denial about slavery in this country.

And in every one of these conversations, somehow the right of a state to legalize slavery never comes up.

As soon as you ask them, ‘to do what?’ they go silent or change the subject.

63 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 11:50:31am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Fucking pro-slavery wingnut thinks I am her slave “Step to it quick!”

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Why does it matter?

These people just love to place arbitrary significance on anything they can in an effort to be right.

64 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 11:51:19am

re: #63 b_sharp

Why does it matter?

These people just love to place arbitrary significance on anything they can in an effort to be right.

Get me a ham sandwich.

65 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 11:51:35am

re: #62 Varek Raith

As soon as you ask them, ‘Do do what?’ they go silent or change the subject.

Did you mean “To do what?”

66 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 11:52:08am

re: #64 Varek Raith

Get me a ham sandwich.

What kind of ham?

67 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 11:52:09am

The whole “States Rights” arguments falls apart completely when you note the South fully supported a strong Federal Government when it ruled run away slave laws trumped the States Rights of Free States who harbored fugitive slaves.

68 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 11:52:20am

re: #65 b_sharp

Did you mean “To do what?”

Nope.
You clearly edited my comment.
/Fixed :P

69 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 11:53:08am

re: #66 b_sharp

What kind of ham?

Ham from a flying pig.

70 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 11:53:25am

Being a right winger means never having to say you’re sorry.

71 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 11:53:42am
72 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 23, 2015 11:53:56am

re: #66 b_sharp

What kind of ham?

Brian Blessed.

The only ham that matters.

73 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 11:54:39am

re: #67 Kragar

The whole “States Rights” arguments falls apart completely when you note the South fully supported a strong Federal Government when it ruled run away slave laws trumped the States Rights of Free States who harbored fugitive slaves.

Or how the CSA handled secessionist movements within the CSA. It was always about slavery and some of the more honest former CSA leaders like Longstreet were decent enough to admit it. I like how they blame Lincoln for the states seceding too even though most of the states seceded while Buchanan was actually still president.

74 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 11:55:08am

States rights, yeah to own other humans.

75 lawhawk  Feb 23, 2015 11:55:50am

re: #67 Kragar

It falls apart under any level of scrutiny when you look at the reasons why the states engaged in insurrection in the first place. It was to protect the institution of slavery.

Texas. Chock full of rationale protecting the institution of slavery in Texas and its sister slave states.

Mississippi. Yeah, it’s a great institution. Says it right there in the preamble.

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery— the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

[emphasis added]

76 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 11:55:54am

re: #68 Varek Raith

Nope.
You clearly edited my comment.
/Fixed :P

These old eyes of mine are seeing things that are there again I’m afraid.

77 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 11:57:31am

re: #75 lawhawk

It falls apart under any level of scrutiny when you look at the reasons why the states engaged in insurrection in the first place. It was to protect the institution of slavery.

Texas. Chock full of rationale protecting the institution of slavery in Texas and its sister slave states.

Mississippi. Yeah, it’s a great institution. Says it right there in the preamble.

[emphasis added]

Right, it’s in their documents. The whole “states rights” thing was done later by Lost Causers like Jubal Early who wanted to romanticize the CSA and its leading generals especially Lee and Jackson.

78 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 11:59:28am

I love the irony of someone who celebrates a “nation” that fired on US military members and property accusing people of being unpatriotic. You don’t get to accuse me of being unpatriotic if you have a CSA sticker on your car or a flag in your office anymore than if you have a Nazi flag or Sickle and Hammer.

79 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 23, 2015 12:00:39pm

State’s Rights!

(Except for that whole “Fugitive Slave Act” thing)

80 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:00:41pm

re: #57 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Oh, yes, I forgot, RWNJ just want to have a conversation about national leadership…..

//

We had that conversation and they chose Richie Rich and Eddie Munster to carry their flag, and they got their asses handed to them.

81 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 12:00:57pm
82 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:01:01pm

And honestly as much as Lee gets romanticized for “staying with his state”, give me those like George Thomas who saw their nation as more important than their state. If Lee is to be romanticized for staying with Virginia, we should be honoring those like Thomas and the people in the land that is now West Virginia for staying loyal to their country during its darkest hour.

83 aagcobb  Feb 23, 2015 12:02:43pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Fucking pro-slavery wingnut thinks I am her slave “Step to it quick!”

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Which is a bunch of bullshit since the slaveowners actually wanted the federal government to force northern states to comply with the Fugitive Slave Act. The South seceded because it wanted to expand its slave empire to new territories and continue increasing the market for its slaves, whose value exceeded every other source of wealth in the US at the time.

84 Romantic Heretic  Feb 23, 2015 12:04:13pm

What is it about the party of ‘personal responsibility’ that prevents them from taking personal responsibility for anything?

85 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:04:45pm

The pre-war South was basically the closest thing this country has ever had to feudalism. What’s really pathetic is that the Romanov’s Russia was more progressively minded. The truly sad part of the CSA legacy are all the poor Southern whites who died for the right of wealthy southern whites to own other people as human beings. But that’s what generations of racism and white supremacy does.

86 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:05:03pm

re: #84 Romantic Heretic

What is it about the party of ‘personal responsibility’ that prevents them from taking personal responsibility for anything?

It’s personal responsibility for everyone but them.

87 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 12:05:12pm

“…a real conversation about national leadership?” Really?

Rudy, you have got to be shitting me, you ignorant douche.

88 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:07:02pm

I have had people tell me that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery since Lincoln didn’t free the slaves immediately.

To be blunt, the Civil War and secession was about the South not wanting to abide by the rules they’d agreed to, about losing an election and taking their dolls and dishes and going home. It’s the same thing today when they talk about secession - they are only willing to stay part of America if they get their way. Bunch of fucking whiny babies.

89 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:07:58pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

“…a real conversation about national leadership?” Really?

Rudy, you have got to be shitting me, you ignorant douche.

He didn’t want a conversation of any kind. He wanted to give some red meat that will cheer anything derogatory said about President Obama. That’s the only reason why he said what he said. America’s Mayor my ass.

90 lawhawk  Feb 23, 2015 12:08:08pm

+1 for the Raiders reference.

91 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:08:53pm

It’s so freaking stupid==>

92 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 12:08:58pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

He didn’t want a conversation of any kind. He wanted to give some red meat that will cheer anything derogatory said about President Obama. That’s the only reason why he said what he said. America’s Mayor my ass.

They want to have a conversation so long as we agree to everything they say. //

93 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:09:28pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

The pre-war South was basically the closest thing this country has ever had to feudalism. What’s really pathetic is that the Romanov’s Russia was more progressively minded. The truly sad part of the CSA legacy are all the poor Southern whites who died for the right of wealthy southern whites to own other people as human beings. But that’s what generations of racism and white supremacy does.

A bunch of gullible chumps who stood up for the rights of the rich to screw them and other people. Their descendants today stand up for the rights of a another generation of rich people to screw them and other people. Gullible chumps.

94 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:10:22pm

re: #92 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They want to have a conversation so long as we agree to everything they say. //

Yep. I think what was even more pathetic than Rudy’s comments though was the response by his fellow Republicans. I mean one of them couldn’t bother to point out that it was pretty damn absurd to accuse the president of not loving America? But I get it, they have to pander to the crazies in the base because that’s leadership.

95 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:10:40pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

A bunch of gullible chumps who stood up for the rights of the rich to screw them and other people. Their descendants today stand up for the rights of a another generation of rich people to screw them and other people. Gullible chumps.

Yeah unfortunately not a lot has changed.

96 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 12:11:38pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Yep. I think what was even more pathetic than Rudy’s comments though was the response by his fellow Republicans. I mean one of them couldn’t bother to point out that it was pretty damn absurd to accuse the president of not loving America? But I get it, they have to pander to the crazies in the base because that’s leadership.

Obama wasn’t raised like you and me and he doesn’t love you or me but hey we just want to have a conversation….

97 Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2015 12:12:11pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

A bunch of gullible chumps who stood up for the rights of the rich to screw them and other people. Their descendants today stand up for the rights of a another generation of rich people to screw them and other people. Gullible chumps.

For much the same reason: The idea that what they’re protecting is not the ill-gotten gains of the rich and powerful, but “a way of life.” That it is their “heritage” that is being threatened and if they don’t act, the government is going to come in and steal their “property.”

98 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:12:21pm

re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

It’s so freaking stupid==>

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The first slaveowner in the US? Well, since slavery predated the Revolution and the founding of the US, everyone who owned slaves in 1776 or 1789 (depending) were ALL the first slaveowners in the US.

99 allegro  Feb 23, 2015 12:13:41pm

re: #98 Blind Frog Belly White

The first slaveowner in the US? Well, since slavery predated the Revolution and the founding of the US, everyone who owned slaves in 1776 or 1789 (depending) were ALL the first slaveowners in the US.

I suspect the numbnuts might be referring to Native Americans who may have enslaved members of other tribes. Or something.

100 No Country For Old Haters  Feb 23, 2015 12:13:58pm

re: #84 Romantic Heretic

What is it about the party of ‘personal responsibility’ that prevents them from taking personal responsibility for anything?

Conservatives lie constantly, and not just to the people that wingnut media tells them to hate. They lie to themselves and each other all the time, and may not even realize that their “movement” is just a case of malicious grifters filling right-wing moron’s heads with toxic fantasies.

101 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:14:52pm

re: #99 allegro

I suspect the numbnuts might be referring to Native Americans who may have enslaved members of other tribes. Or something.

I think they’re actually referring to that one case of a black slave owner who was sued. It’s true there were black slaveowners but that also ignores the fact that slavery was used to justify white supremacy for generations.

102 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:15:28pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

For much the same reason: The idea that what they’re protecting is not the ill-gotten gains of the rich and powerful, but “a way of life.” That it is their “heritage” that is being threatened and if they don’t act, the government is going to come in and steal their “property.”

‘Izzat yo culcha ‘n’ herrtage? Thassnot MAH culcha ‘n’ herrtage!!”

103 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:17:48pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

I think they’re actually referring to that one case of a black slave owner who was sued. It’s true there were black slaveowners but that also ignores the fact that slavery was used to justify white supremacy for generations.

So, did these black slaveowners own any white people? Did any WHITE slaveowners own white people?

104 Belafon  Feb 23, 2015 12:18:22pm

re: #56 Jenner7

Yeah. My Brother was trying to argue the war was more about states rights than slavery and me and my Mom just a looked at each other like “um”…..

You’ll get a lot of looks like that at our dinner table. We are strong liberal women who don’t mind sharing our opinions. And the men are outnumbered. Hahahaha! lol

Since I’m in Texas, I keep the part from the Texas Declaration of Secession and the piece of the Cornerstone speech made by the CSA VP showing that it was about right to keep and own slaves in my wallet.

105 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:18:41pm

Really want to piss off a Southern Baptist? Point out why the Southern Baptist Convention was founded in the first place. Yep to defend slavery on moral grounds.

106 Jack Burton  Feb 23, 2015 12:19:04pm

re: #99 allegro

I suspect the numbnuts might be referring to Native Americans who may have enslaved members of other tribes. Or something.

No they keep alluding to Anthony Johnson. I don’t know whether it’s bullshit or not, but even if it isn’t, the fact that the first slave owner might have been a freed slave means jack and shit.

107 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 12:19:22pm

re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

To answer her, it would be Anthony Johnson, who, in 1640, won a civil suit against his indentured servant, and the state of VA imposed slavery as the sentence against the man, John Casor. After this, VA began imposing the sentence of slavery more and more often, gradually changing indentured servitude into the practice of slavery of Blacks.

108 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:19:26pm

WTF an anti-vaxxer just jumped into the thread with the secesh idiot, to make it even MOAR STUPID.

109 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:19:38pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

So, did these black slaveowners own any white people? Did any WHITE slaveowners own white people?

Not to my knowledge. It’s stupid. They pick out the rare cases of black slave owners and use to go “Well it wasn’t just white people” but ignore everything else.

110 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:20:43pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

So, did these black slaveowners own any white people? Did any WHITE slaveowners own white people?

There were some Irish indentures but their children were born free.

111 cinesimon  Feb 23, 2015 12:20:53pm

I agree with Rudy-ard that Obama needs to start using stronger rhetoric when challenging those “who threaten our way of life”. Obama has been far, far too soft on the republican party and America’s right wing.

112 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:21:01pm
113 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:21:07pm

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

There were some Irish indentures but their children were born free.

So, not slaves.

114 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 12:21:07pm

re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

Heh.

115 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:21:47pm

BWAHAHAA==>

116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 12:21:48pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Really want to piss off a Southern Baptist? Point out why the Southern Baptist Convention was founded in the first place. Yep to defend slavery on moral grounds.

Yeah but we apologized for 100+ years of that thinking and being against integration and here, won’t you listen to our sermons about how women should be subservient and gays should stop being gay because we’re absolutely right about these things because values and truths are absolutely values…

117 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:21:55pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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There was no US in 1640.

118 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 12:22:12pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s way too much dumb.
Blocked.

119 allegro  Feb 23, 2015 12:23:26pm

So there was that one guy once… yeah, that’s the ticket. I’m convinced! Of what, I don’t know but it sure is convincing!

120 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 12:23:55pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHAA==>

Hurr hurr I don’t have time to read your libtard history and fact garbage just do the google urself!!!11

121 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:23:58pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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I like how they use Anthony Johnson as if Anthony Johnson was a typical African in the colonies. FWIW, they’re lying when they say Johnson was the first slave owner in the colonies.

122 Belafon  Feb 23, 2015 12:24:21pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

123 TedStriker  Feb 23, 2015 12:25:22pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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124 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 12:26:49pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I like how they use Anthony Johnson as if Anthony Johnson was a typical African in the colonies. FWIW, they’re lying when they say Johnson was the first slave owner in the colonies.

Hurr hurr Anthony Johnson makes your whole slavery argument and the whole history of slavery in the South and the Civil War not validated, moran!!!111

125 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 23, 2015 12:27:15pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

So, did these black slaveowners own any white people? Did any WHITE slaveowners own white people?

No, but libertarians are working on it. Progress, baby!

126 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:28:02pm

Hell they were open about it being about slavery at the time. Only when slavery became pretty much morally indefensible is when they started using the states rights excuse. And as Kragar has so wonderfully pointed out, there wasn’t any concern about states rights when it came to the Fugitive Slave Acts.

127 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:28:18pm

I should block it but I’m having too much fun.

128 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:28:18pm

re: #124 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hurr hurr Anthony Johnson makes your whole slavery argument and the whole history of slavery in the South and the Civil War not validated, moran!!!111

You forget libtard.

129 Jack Burton  Feb 23, 2015 12:30:44pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I like how they use Anthony Johnson as if Anthony Johnson was a typical African in the colonies. FWIW, they’re lying when they say Johnson was the first slave owner in the colonies.

Facts about the Johnson issue specifically are all over the internet.

Sites claiming he was the first slaveowner… From what I could find every last one of them some kook right-wing site.

130 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:31:20pm

You know, the funny thing about using Anthony Johnson to prove that slavery wasn’t racist is that the ruling appears to have been essentially to establish that being black, Casor had no rights that need be considered, which is the very epitome of racism.

131 Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2015 12:31:46pm

re: #129 Jack Burton

Facts about the Johnson issue specifically are all over the internet.

Sites claiming he was the first slaveowner… From what I could find every last one of them some kook right-wing site.

And even if he was, so what. RWers sure are tiresome.

132 Timothy Watson  Feb 23, 2015 12:32:15pm

John Punch was the first African slave, as opposed to an indentured servant (forced or not), in the British Americas:

John Punch (fl. 1630s, living 1640) was an African slave who lived in the Colony of Virginia during the seventeenth century.[2][3] In July 1640, the Virginia Governor’s Council sentenced him to serve for the remainder of his life as punishment for running away to Maryland; in contrast, two European men who also ran away with him were sentenced to longer indentures but not total loss of future prospects for freedom. For this reason, historians consider John Punch the “first official slave in the English colonies,”[4] and his case as the “first legal sanctioning of lifelong slavery in the Chesapeake.”[2] Historians also consider this to be one of the first legal distinctions between Europeans and Africans made in the colony,[5] and his case a key milestone in the development of the institution of slavery in the United States.[6]

In July 2012, ancestry.com published a paper suggesting that Punch was an eleventh-generation maternal grandfather of Barack Obama, on the basis of historic and genealogical research and Y-DNA analysis.[7][8][9] Punch’s descendants were known by the Bunch or Bunche surname. Punch is believed to be one of the ancestors of the 20th-century American diplomat Ralph Bunche, the first African American to win the Nobel Peace Prize.[10]

en.wikipedia.org

133 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:33:21pm

re: #129 Jack Burton

Facts about the Johnson issue specifically are all over the internet.

Sites claiming he was the first slaveowner… From what I could find every last one of them some kook right-wing site.

Yeah that seems to be the trend. They want to claim Johnson was the first slaveowner. That’s just not true.

134 Jack Burton  Feb 23, 2015 12:34:06pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

And even if he was, so what. RWers sure are tiresome.

Exactly.

135 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:34:50pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

And even if he was, so what. RWers sure are tiresome.

Right, the fact is Johnson’s experiences as an African were NOT the norm. And as I have argued before, it wasn’t Africans that argued repeatedly to keep slavery legal at the Constitutional convention, ti wasn’t Africans that seceded over Lincoln’s election, etc. There were however many African-Americans who championed abolition. Gee imagine that.

136 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:40:25pm

And more to the point, the actual answer is “Hugh Gwyn”, not Anthony Johnson, since the ruling making John Punch a slave for life was in 1640, while the Casor ruling was more than a decade later.

So, no, Johnson was not the first slaveowner, and all of this took place more than a century before there was a United States, anyway.

IOW, that guy is an idiot.

137 TedStriker  Feb 23, 2015 12:40:32pm

Couple of Twitter questions for anyone who knows:

1: How do you get someone to unfollow you without blocking them outright?

2: How do you embed a pic in a Tweet?

138 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 12:41:00pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I like how they use Anthony Johnson as if Anthony Johnson was a typical African in the colonies. FWIW, they’re lying when they say Johnson was the first slave owner in the colonies.

Note that Johnson was engaged in a civil suit against his servant. The courts of VA imposed the sentence of slavery, later using it as a precedent to codify legal slavery of all blacks.

139 Lidane  Feb 23, 2015 12:42:08pm

Oh, well that clears things up:

140 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:42:11pm

re: #137 TedStriker

Couple of Twitter questions for anyone who knows:

1: How do you get someone to unfollow you without blocking them outright?

2: How to you post a pic in a Tweet?

1. you have to block them, or make them block you.
2. There is a little camera icon below the Tweet box that you click to add a picture to your Tweet.

141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 12:43:21pm

What the fuck does it matter who was what? The traitor states openly declared that they’re seceding because of black slavery & white supremacy. Sapienti sat.

142 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:44:03pm

re: #139 Lidane

Oh, well that clears things up:

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Yeah Wallace ended up admitting he was wrong. Moore will probably go to his death believing that his homophobia was morally justified.

143 TedStriker  Feb 23, 2015 12:44:21pm

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

1. you have to block them, or make them block you.
2. There is a little camera icon below the Tweet box that you click to add a picture to your Tweet.

As soon as I posted, I remember the “block, then unblock” trick.

144 Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 23, 2015 12:44:55pm

re: #53 b_sharp

And the real fun part is, all that juicy, tasty fission and fusion by-product waste went where? Why, the air and water of course! Where it settled out to coat the whole world in an invisible slime of radioactive shit that you can detect just about anywhere with the right equipment.

But by all means, says Mr. Texas Republican, let’s keep shitting where we eat, and burn millions while we’re at it…

145 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:45:35pm

Wasn’t one of the big points of tension between the Texans and Mexican government the whole slavery thing to?

147 Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2015 12:46:05pm

I just noticed that in Chuck C.’s failed hit piece on John Legend he’s quoting white supremacist Steve Sailer as an expert, and linking to Takimag again.

148 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 12:46:08pm

re: #141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What the fuck does it matter who was what? The traitor states openly declared that they’re seceding because of black slavery & white supremacy. Sapienti sat.

The black guy Anthony Johnson tricked all southerners into owning slaves even though slavery was really pretty good for most slaves and didn’t have anything to do with the Civil War which was about freedom and liberty and the Constitution.

149 Lidane  Feb 23, 2015 12:46:16pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t one of the big points of tension between the Texans and Mexican government the whole slavery thing to?

Yes. Mexico outlawed slavery and the Americans that were settling in Texas didn’t like that.

To be fair, the Mexican government was more about indentured servitude than outright slavery. The hacienda system had its own abuses.

150 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:46:38pm

Years ago I made a Jews in the Civil War website. It hasn’t been updated in a while but it is an archive of primary documents.

151 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 12:47:41pm

Republicans endorse this, of course. “Just don’t pay your bills.”

US Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson: Expect 30,000 furloughs if funding lapses at week’s end; up to 80% of workforce would work without pay - @CQnow
see original on twitter.com

152 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:47:45pm

re: #149 Lidane

Yes. Mexico outlawed slavery and the Americans that were settling in Texas didn’t like that.

I thought so but wasn’t 100%.

153 lawhawk  Feb 23, 2015 12:48:25pm

re: #141 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What the fuck does it matter who was what? The traitor states openly declared that they’re seceding because of black slavery & white supremacy. Sapienti sat.

I know this. You know this, but this Twit doesn’t know/care. Even when it’s laid out for him in black and white in the language used by the very states that engaged in insurrection against the United States. They cited slavery as their key reason. It was what was driving them to continue down a path to secession and insurrection. It was their attempt to preserve slavery as a way of life and to extend it into the new territories out West, and to protect their property rights in persons who managed to escape from the South.

Again. It’s because there are lots of people out there who deny this background of the Civil War - that it was all about slavery, and later couched in terms of states’ rights, even though the South had no problem attempting to trump states’ rights when it suited them (Fugitive Slave Act).

154 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:48:29pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

I just noticed that in Chuck C.’s failed hit piece on John Legend he’s quoting white supremacist Steve Sailer as an expert, and linking to Takimag again.

Sailer was one of the NRO white supremacist pricks that got canned right or am I thinking of another guy?

155 lawhawk  Feb 23, 2015 12:50:16pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Sailer was one of the NRO white supremacist pricks that got canned right or am I thinking of another guy?

One of the NRO crew that got canned for being racists/linking to racist/white supremacist sites.

156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 23, 2015 12:50:24pm

re: #149 Lidane

Yes. Mexico outlawed slavery and the Americans that were settling in Texas didn’t like that.

There was certainly more to it than that, but slavery was one of the things that the Alamo defenders were defending.

The heroic John Wayne version has Jim Bowie freeing his slave, who then volunteers to stay and defend the Alamo, while the more recent remake (which totally bombed) shows Bowie sending his slave away and instructing his slave to report to his new masters, as he is still property.

157 Timothy Watson  Feb 23, 2015 12:50:40pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Republicans endorse this, of course. “Just don’t pay your bills.”

US Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson: Expect 30,000 furloughs if funding lapses at week’s end; up to 80% of workforce would work without pay - @CQnow
see original on twitter.com

Remember folks, the income tax is slavery but forcing workers to work without pay isn’t.

158 Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2015 12:50:43pm
159 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 12:51:07pm

re: #155 lawhawk

One of the NRO crew that got canned for being racists/linking to racist/white supremacist sites.

Also John Derbyshire.

160 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:51:28pm

It’s a fucking anti-vaxxer too.

161 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:51:31pm

re: #155 lawhawk

One of the NRO crew that got canned for being racists/linking to racist/white supremacist sites.

That’s right. Thanks.

162 Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2015 12:52:08pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Sailer was one of the NRO white supremacist pricks that got canned right or am I thinking of another guy?

No, I don’t think Sailer was ever on the National Review staff, although they probably published articles by him at some point.

163 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:52:28pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Also John Derbyshire.

Derbyshire is easy to remember since he’s the token right wing former illegal immigrant white supremacist atheist Brit.

164 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:52:57pm

re: #153 lawhawk

I know this. You know this, but this Twit doesn’t know/care. Even when it’s laid out for him in black and white in the language used by the very states that engaged in insurrection against the United States. They cited slavery as their key reason. It was what was driving them to continue down a path to secession and insurrection. It was their attempt to preserve slavery as a way of life and to extend it into the new territories out West, and to protect their property rights in persons who managed to escape from the South.

Again. It’s because there are lots of people out there who deny this background of the Civil War - that it was all about slavery, and later couched in terms of states’ rights, even though the South had no problem attempting to trump states’ rights when it suited them (Fugitive Slave Act).

So, let’s see if we can sum up his argument:

The Civil War was not about slavery, despite the various Confederate States declarations that the institution of slavery was the reason for their secession, because a black Virginian owned a black slave 120 years before the Revolution, 210 years before the Civil War.

165 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:53:00pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

No, I don’t think Sailer was ever on the National Review staff, although they probably published articles by him at some point.

Ah okay, gotcha. Just wanted to make sure. So many racist assholes out there.

166 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 12:53:34pm

Some photos. First Barcelona.

167 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:53:46pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

So, let’s see if we can sum up his argument:

The Civil War was not about slavery, despite the various Confederate States declarations that the institution of slavery was the reason for their secession, because a black Virginian owned a black slave 120 years before the Revolution, 210 years before the Civil War.

Yes, this is his argument. Brought to you by the same people who argue that one can’t say racist shit about Obama because his mother was a white woman from Kansas.

168 lawhawk  Feb 23, 2015 12:55:15pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

Not quite 140 characters, but it’ll do. :)

169 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 12:55:21pm
170 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2015 12:56:06pm
171 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:56:15pm

re: #169 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Hey I was there in July. I really enjoyed the whole Gaudi architecture.

172 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 12:56:21pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

So, let’s see if we can sum up his argument:

The Civil War was not about slavery, despite the various Confederate States declarations that the institution of slavery was the reason for their secession, because a black Virginian owned a black slave 120 years before the Revolution, 210 years before the Civil War.

Exactly.

173 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 12:57:18pm

re: #168 lawhawk

Not quite 140 characters, but it’ll do. :)

Brevity may be the soul of wit, but it is not my strong suit.

174 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 12:57:53pm
175 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 12:59:29pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

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John Newton was a Muslim?

176 Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2015 12:59:42pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

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Even the ones born into slavery in the US? That’s some trick.

177 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:00:09pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Hey I was there in July. I really enjoyed the whole Gaudi architecture.

178 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 23, 2015 1:00:28pm

all powerful Universal Church of Denialism laughs at your puny attempts to adduce facts and logic

179 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 1:00:40pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

Eye-roll……

180 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:00:49pm

re: #176 Mike Lamb

Even the ones born into slavery in the US? That’s some trick.

Of course. Those Southern whites were all secret Muslims. Really, I know Fischer is an ignorant piece of shit but it took me 15 seconds to show that he’s wrong.

181 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 1:01:06pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

These are the facts: $19K in undeclared clothing and jewelry when re-entering the country. She paid $4100 in fines. Here’s what Jeb Bush said: sptimes.com

182 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:01:07pm

re: #177 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Casa Batillo right?

183 Timothy Watson  Feb 23, 2015 1:01:11pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

PARTY OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!1!!

184 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 1:01:36pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

185 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 23, 2015 1:01:43pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

Brevity may be the soul of wit, but it is not my strong suit.

i like the dorothy parker:

“brevity is the soul of lingerie”

186 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 1:02:29pm

re: #184 Kragar

Bryan J Fischer, too.

187 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:02:51pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

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Bought by Christian slaveowners.

188 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 1:03:13pm

re: #186 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

We already knew that

189 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:03:40pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Casa Mila (I have that other one too).

190 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:04:17pm

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

Bought by Christian slaveowners.

and resold. Really, I have no problem pointing out that there were Christians involved in the abolition movement and even that Christianity motivated them but Fischer wants to ignore that Christianity was also a driving force behind morally rationalizing slavery too. And as I said, that’s the whole reason the Southern Baptist Convention was founded in the first place.

191 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2015 1:04:30pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Of course. Those Southern whites were all secret Muslims. Really, I know Fischer is an ignorant piece of shit but it took me 15 seconds to show that he’s wrong.

Did Muslims conduct the inquisition, too?

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192 aagcobb  Feb 23, 2015 1:04:37pm

re: #184 Kragar

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Except for like, you know, all of the slaves who were born in the US to slave mothers. Idiot.

193 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 23, 2015 1:04:46pm

re: #157 Timothy Watson

Remember folks, the income tax is slavery but forcing workers to work without pay isn’t.

They’re only government workers moochers. Not like private sector employees who work unpaid overtime.

194 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:04:50pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Hey I was there in July. I really enjoyed the whole Gaudi architecture.

195 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:05:01pm

re: #189 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Casa Mila (I have that other one too).

Ah gotcha. Enjoy your visit. I really enjoyed Barcelona a lot.

196 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:06:20pm

Hostel: The Beginning.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2015 1:06:38pm

Jim Wright has a new rant at Stonekettle Station.

198 EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2015 1:08:23pm

Wingnut civil war revisionist history really is a sight to behold.

The simple facts of the matter are:

1) Slavery was the primary cause of the US civil war. No other issue is remotely close to being a sufficient cause.

2) The US confederacy had one of the most monstrous state ideologies of all time. The Third Reich was clearly a major regime with a worse ideology. It is not clear whether any other major regime was worse than the US confederacy.

(edited for clarity)

199 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 23, 2015 1:10:50pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

Wingnut civil war revisionist history really is a sight to behold.

The simple facts of the matter are:

1) Slavery was the primary cause of the US civil war. No other issue is remotely close to being a sufficient cause.

2) The US confederacy had one of the most monstrous state ideologies of all time. The Third Reich may be the only major regime with a worse ideology.

Part 2 is a bit overstated, but the way that they managed to simultaneously insist on States Rights and the Fugitive Slave Act was a massively evil thing.

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 23, 2015 1:11:20pm

re: #169 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Who is in charge of keeping that dusted off and taking care of the pigeon poo?
// ;)

201 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:11:32pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

Wingnut civil war revisionist history really is a sight to behold.

The simple facts of the matter are:

1) Slavery was the primary cause of the US civil war. No other issue is remotely close to being a sufficient cause.

2) The US confederacy had one of the most monstrous state ideologies of all time. The Third Reich may be the only major regime with a worse ideology.

In some ways, the legacy of the CSA is worse than the Third Reich because no one outside some Neo-Nazi dumbasses romanticizes the Third Reich. The CSA meanwhile has plenty of romanticizers.

202 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:12:19pm

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Part 2 is a bit overstated, but the way that they managed to simultaneously insist on States Rights and the Fugitive Slave Act was a massively evil thing.

I find the shooting or immediate sending into slavery of captured black union troops pretty evil.

203 aagcobb  Feb 23, 2015 1:14:04pm

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Part 2 is a bit overstated, but the way that they managed to simultaneously insist on States Rights and the Fugitive Slave Act was a massively evil thing.

Not really. Lets face it, other than the Third Reich, the US was the last great slave empire on earth, and the Confederacy was created for the express purpose of expanding it and keeping countless millions in bondage forever.

204 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:14:30pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

1) Slavery was the primary cause of the US civil war. No other issue is remotely close to being a sufficient cause.

That’s the cherry on the cake. The cake: they fucking declared so themselves.

205 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 1:15:03pm
206 EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2015 1:15:07pm

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Part 2 is a bit overstated, but the way that they managed to simultaneously insist on States Rights and the Fugitive Slave Act was a massively evil thing.

I was thinking mainly of the wonderful bits where CSA ideology made race-based slavery out to be a positive good in accordance with the laws of nature and God’s will.

The hypocrisy of state’s rights vs. the fugitive slave act is comparatively small potatoes.

See, for example, the cornerstone speech: en.wikipedia.org

207 aagcobb  Feb 23, 2015 1:15:29pm

re: #204 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

That’s the cherry on the cake. The cake: they fucking declared so themselves.

IT WAS TARIFFS!!!

208 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:15:29pm

I love the lil’ man.

209 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:16:15pm

re: #206 EPR-radar

I was thinking mainly of the wonderful bits where CSA ideology made race-based slavery out to be a positive good in accordance with the laws of nature and God’s will.

The hypocrisy of state’s rights vs. the fugitive slave act is comparatively small potatoes.

See, for example, the cornerstone speech: en.wikipedia.org

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition
All you really need to know about why the CSA shouldn’t be romanticized or defended.

210 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 1:16:26pm

Jackie has blocked me! Whatever shall I do?

211 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:16:41pm

BREAKING! JESUS HAD HIS OWN FELINE OVERLORD!

212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 23, 2015 1:16:52pm

re: #203 aagcobb

Not really. Lets face it, other than the Third Reich, the US was the last great slave empire on earth, and the Confederacy was created for the express purpose of expanding it and keeping countless millions in bondage forever.

If they had started building extermination camps, I would agree fully. I agree only to the extent that they were Evil and had to be shut down.

Andersonville was not built for the express purpose of killing POW’s, it was more a case of a lack of resources to maintain them in any humane manner.

213 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 1:19:17pm

re: #205 Kragar

Oy! BTW, is Kai Ryssdal still on NPR? Haven’t listened to it in a while since I still don’t have a radio in the car.

Hey, it’s difficult to multi-task when you’re old. : )

214 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:19:42pm

OK, last Barcelona pic.

215 #FergusonFireside  Feb 23, 2015 1:20:03pm

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

Oy! BTW, is Kai Ryssdal still on NPR? Haven’t listened to it in a while since I still don’t have a radio in the car.

Hey, it’s difficult to multi-task when you’re old. : )

Absolutely! Market Place every weekday.

216 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 23, 2015 1:20:15pm

Being blocked by batshit neo-Confederate is like garbage taking out itself.

217 aagcobb  Feb 23, 2015 1:21:08pm

re: #212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If they had started building extermination camps, I would agree fully. I agree only to the extent that they were Evil and had to be shut down.

Andersonville was not built for the express purpose of killing POW’s, it was more a case of a lack of resources to maintain them in any humane manner.

Andersonville is inconsequential compared to the monstrous plans of the Confederate leaders, and he did include the caveat that the Third Reich was worse.

218 Belafon  Feb 23, 2015 1:21:20pm

re: #196 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Hostel: The Beginning.

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All in the name of Mary and Jesus.

219 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:21:46pm

The thing I got at above that I really resent is when the same people who defend the CSA or even have CSA gear accuse me and other liberals of not being patriotic. Hey at least I don’t defend a nation who started a war that killed more Americans than any other war combined.

220 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:22:36pm

re: #218 Belafon

All in the name of Mary and Jesus.

I suppose rather all on the name of Caesar and such. We’ll come to “in the name of Jesus” stuff when I get to my Prado pics.

221 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:23:22pm

I like how African Americans need to get over slavery and Jim Crow but a bunch of neo-confederate whiners shouldn’t get over the fact that the Union Army kicked the CSA’s ass.

222 Belafon  Feb 23, 2015 1:23:24pm

re: #220 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I suppose rather all on the name of Caesar and such. We’ll come to “in the name of Jesus” stuff when I get to my Prado pics.

I was just looking at who was in the middle of the tapestry.

223 nines09  Feb 23, 2015 1:23:25pm

re: #205 Kragar

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Wow.

224 aagcobb  Feb 23, 2015 1:24:58pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

The thing I got at above that I really resent is when the same people who defend the CSA or even have CSA gear accuse me and other liberals of not being patriotic. Hey at least I don’t defend a nation who started a war that killed more Americans than any other war combined.

Their “heroes” came closer to destroying the US than anyone else, ever, all for the monstrous cause of maintaining and expanding a slave empire exploiting millions of people. And they are “patriots” fighting for “liberty”?

225 Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2015 1:25:59pm

re: #205 Kragar

Homeschooling 101-Anatomy

226 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:26:48pm

The madrilenos turned out to be a very welcoming folk. Here they are, greeting the visitors.

227 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:27:49pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

The thing I got at above that I really resent is when the same people who defend the CSA or even have CSA gear accuse me and other liberals of not being patriotic. Hey at least I don’t defend a nation who started a war that killed more Americans than any other war combined.

The South took up arms to support the most vile and egregious cause for which Americans ever went to war, and one of the worst for which any modern nation-state went to war. It is a stain on American history and so far from honoring the ‘heroes’ of the Confederate side we should be ashamed of them.

228 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:28:00pm

re: #224 aagcobb

Their “heroes” came closer to destroying the US than anyone else, ever, all for the monstrous cause of maintaining and expanding a slave empire exploiting millions of people. And they are “patriots” fighting for “liberty”?

Indeed. But somehow we’re unpatriotic because we dare to point out things like income and racial inequalities. Communists are more historically loyal to the U.S than Confederate scum.

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2015 1:28:15pm
230 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:28:33pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

The South took up arms to support the most vile and egregious cause for which Americans ever went to war, and one of the worst for which any modern nation-state went to war. It is a stain on American history and so far from honoring the ‘heroes’ of the Confederate side we should be ashamed of them.

Don’t I know it. I grew up in a state that celebrated MLK on the same day as Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee for years.

231 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 1:29:11pm

Oh, this is gonna burn Christie…

Judge orders New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s $1.6 billion pension cut be reversed - @NorthJerseybrk
northjersey.com

232 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:29:12pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good.

233 goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2015 1:29:40pm

He heard it!

234 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:30:30pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Don’t I know it. I grew up in a state that celebrated MLK on the same day as Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee for years.

Robert E. Lee - a man who got more poor white chuckleheads to kill and die for rich people’s right to subjugate their fellow poor people than any man in history.

235 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:30:39pm

re: #226 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Madrid is a very intellectual city. They have streets named after famous philosophers.

236 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:32:07pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

Robert E. Lee - a man who got more poor white chuckleheads to kill and die for rich people’s right to subjugate their fellow poor people than any man in history.

Yeah. I’m proud to say even though my Great Great Grandfather was not born in America, he had more loyalty to this country than Lee did during that difficult hour.

237 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:33:06pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

He heard it!

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You’d think that conservatives being “opposed” to big government would have a problem with this but nah. They’re all for that.

238 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:33:59pm

re: #235 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Apparently they have even tamed the scary Ebola virus and now raise them like chickens. Tasty!

239 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:35:15pm

I was watching “Gone With The Wind” last week, and there was a scene with Ashley wanting to go back to the time before the war with its beauty and grace, and it occurred to me that we as a nation have spent 150 years papering over the worst thing we as a nation have ever done, and we wonder why blacks might have complicated feelings about America.

240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:36:24pm
241 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:36:46pm

re: #238 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Apparently they even tamed the scary Ebola virus and now raise them like chickens. Tasty!

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But Eboli sounds so much friendlier!

242 PhillyPretzel  Feb 23, 2015 1:37:13pm

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

You have some very nice photos.

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2015 1:37:43pm

Cars have mad skillz!!!1111

244 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:37:45pm

re: #239 Blind Frog Belly White

I was watching “Gone With The Wind” last week, and there was a scene with Ashley wanting to go back to the time before the war with its beauty and grace, and it occurred to me that we as a nation have spent 150 years papering over the worst thing we as a nation have ever done, and we wonder why blacks might have complicated feelings about America.

Honestly, I don’t blame blacks at all for having mixed feelings. We are a nation that talks so eloquently about liberty and freedom in both our founding documents and our rhetoric but yet for generations African Americans had to live as second class citizens in many parts of this country.

245 goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2015 1:37:51pm

Honest James cares a lot about the truth.

“I really don’t like being corrected when I’m spreading misinformation. Also, here’s some random unrelated bullshit about net neutrality.”

246 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:37:54pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

But Eboli sounds so much friendlier!

Ebola plushy :)

247 Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2015 1:38:24pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s gonna leave mark…

248 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 1:38:39pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I don’t blame blacks at all for having mixed feelings. We are a nation that talks so eloquently about liberty and freedom in both our founding documents and our rhetoric but yet for generations African Americans had to live as second class citizens in many parts of this country.

As did women.

249 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:38:39pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Honest James cares a lot about the truth.

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“I really don’t like being corrected when I’m spreading misinformation. Also, here’s some random unrelated bullshit about net neutrality.”

Conservatives are allergic to facts.

250 nines09  Feb 23, 2015 1:39:26pm

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Oh, this is gonna burn Christie…

Judge orders New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s $1.6 billion pension cut be reversed - @NorthJerseybrk
northjersey.com

I hope he has a seizure. And shits his ample pants.

251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2015 1:39:43pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are allergic to facts.

Because facts are just filthy with liberal cooties.

252 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:39:45pm

re: #248 b_sharp

As did women.

Yep. I’ve been doing my family tree and it just strikes me that my own grandmother was alive when women were given the right to vote. This is someone who I knew quite well. Someone with a real living memory of a time before women having the right to vote.

253 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:40:02pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because facts are just filthy with liberal cooties.

Reality does have a well known liberal bias.

254 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 23, 2015 1:40:05pm

re: #239 Blind Frog Belly White

I was watching “Gone With The Wind” last week, and there was a scene with Ashley wanting to go back to the time before the war with its beauty and grace, and it occurred to me that we as a nation have spent 150 years papering over the worst thing we as a nation have ever done, and we wonder why blacks might have complicated feelings about America.

And it’s not like we immediately stopped treating them as inferiors and an underclass in 1865.

255 b_sharp  Feb 23, 2015 1:40:33pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are allergic to facts.

They believe they’re entitled to their own facts. Not factual facts, but facts straight from the imagination.

256 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:41:17pm

re: #246 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Ebola plushy :)

When you call envelope proteins ‘spikes on the surface of the virus’, it makes them sound uncomfortable. But if they’re little yarn twists, it makes receptor binding and cell invasion seem like FUN!

257 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2015 1:41:22pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Conservatives Fanatics are allergic to facts.

Fixed for you.

If someone is completely devoted to their cause, facts don’t matter. They are either to be disregarded or they will turn to some “expert” that supports their view of things.

I grant you, we see it a lot among conservatives, but it does happen outside of it. See, oh, GamerGate defenders.

258 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:42:02pm

re: #254 Feline Fearless Leader

And it’s not like we immediately stopped treating them as inferiors and an underclass in 1865.

More closer to 1965. Really, cons especially love to say “Well I didn’t own any slaves so why are they so upset.” It didn’t end with slavery. The legacy of slavery does not end in 1865 and frankly has not ended today really.

259 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:42:19pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are allergic to facts.

I read that as ‘farts’. That’d be handy, especially after last night’s Jambalaya.

260 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:42:20pm

re: #257 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fixed for you.

If someone is completely devoted to their cause, facts don’t matter. They are either to be disregarded or they will turn to some “expert” that supports their view of things.

I grant you, we see it a lot among conservatives, but it does happen outside of it. See, oh, GamerGate defenders.

Oh definitely.

261 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:42:39pm

The True Face of Madrid? Developing…

262 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:43:30pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

I read that as ‘farts’. That’d be handy, especially after last night’s Jambalaya.

Please tell me you use actual Anouville sausage. My mother makes her Jambalaya with kielbasa……..God we’re such Central Europeans that don’t appreciate good old spice.

263 Lidane  Feb 23, 2015 1:43:54pm

The human body, how the fuck does it work?

*facepalm*

264 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:44:40pm

re: #263 Lidane

The human body, how the fuck does it work?

[Embedded content]

*facepalm*

I need a joint or a shot.

265 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:44:49pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

I read that as ‘farts’.

Thank you. I’m not alone!

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 23, 2015 1:45:31pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

When you call envelope proteins ‘spikes on the surface of the virus’, it makes them sound uncomfortable. But if they’re little yarn twists, it makes receptor binding and cell invasion seem like FUN!

You just need a nice illustration of a cute kitten playing with them as well.

267 nines09  Feb 23, 2015 1:45:31pm

re: #263 Lidane

The human body, how the fuck does it work?

[Embedded content]

*facepalm*

Yes. And we can get a brain scan by shoving this camera up your ass.

268 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 1:45:44pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Please tell me you use actual Anouville sausage. My mother makes her Jambalaya with kielbasa……..God we’re such Central Europeans that don’t appreciate good old spice.

Actually, I’m waiting for some turkey chorizo. : ) I already use turkey kielbasa.

269 Belafon  Feb 23, 2015 1:46:06pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

In 1978 women were finally able to take out a loan without having to get a male cosigner. 1978.

270 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:46:35pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Please tell me you use actual Anouville sausage. My mother makes her Jambalaya with kielbasa……..God we’re such Central Europeans that don’t appreciate good old spice.

I did, indeed use Andouille. Well, whatever Niman Ranch calls Andouille. My wife has got a bee in her bonnet about humanely raise pork (good luck finding any!) so I made her a humanely raised Jambalaya with humanely raised ham and humanely raised Andouille.

271 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:46:51pm

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

Actually, I’m waiting for some turkey chorizo. : ) I already use turkey kielbasa.

As a good Slav, I do love kielbasa but as something of a foodie, I think it’s bad form to use it in Jambalaya. Just like I’d never do Chorizo with pierogies.

272 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 23, 2015 1:47:51pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

I did, indeed use Andouille. Well, whatever Niman Ranch calls Andouille. My wife has got a bee in her bonnet about humanely raise pork (good luck finding any!) so I made her a humanely raised Jambalaya with humanely raised ham and humanely raised Andouille.

Sounds like you need to go out and hunt your own free range boar.

273 Kragar  Feb 23, 2015 1:48:13pm

Well done Wikipedia:

274 HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2015 1:48:17pm

re: #269 Belafon

In 1978 women were finally able to take out a loan without having to get a male cosigner. 1978.

It’s been shown here before but in some states like North Carolina, it finally became a crime to rape your wife in the 90’s. Really as a man and a student of history, my eyes really perk when I see someone especially a woman acting like feminism is either an archaic or unnecessary philosophy in the West.

275 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:48:30pm

re: #263 Lidane

The human body, how the fuck does it work?

[Embedded content]

*facepalm*

Which reminds me of the joke about the seemingly infertile couple that ends, “But I swallowed every time!!!”

276 Lidane  Feb 23, 2015 1:50:29pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Which reminds me of the joke about the seemingly infertile couple that ends, “But I swallowed every time!!!”

The worst part is that this jackass sits on the board of a crisis pregnancy center. You’d think someone there would’ve given him a basic anatomy lesson.

277 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:50:49pm
278 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:51:53pm

re: #272 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds like you need to go out and hunt your own free range boar.

Unfortunately, my friend who used to have hunting permission on 1600 acres that was lousy with wild pigs tells me that the owners revoked everyone’s permission.

His wife said she treated it like the Safeway - “Hey, Vic! The freezer’s looking empty. Go kill us a pig!”

279 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:53:09pm

I found this huge tanning booth in a park…

280 Lidane  Feb 23, 2015 1:53:49pm

Because the GOP wants this story to keep going. Really.

281 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 1:53:58pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

As a good Slav, I do love kielbasa but as something of a foodie, I think it’s bad form to use it in Jambalaya. Just like I’d never do Chorizo with pierogies.

Actually, I make it a point not to eat mammals, so I use turkey substitutes for everything. I do like all kinds of “ethnic” food except Cajun, as I found out at a Cajun restaurant 30 yrs ago. Or maybe it was just the hipster restaurant’s version of Cajun. : )

BTW, Heinz has come out with a sriracha ketchup (!) but since I don’t eat a lot of ketchup, I’ll pass on the almost $3 for a small bottle. : )

282 Justanotherhuman  Feb 23, 2015 1:55:54pm

re: #276 Lidane

Those who sit on the “board” have no knowledge of anything but their own biases.

283 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 23, 2015 1:56:39pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I’m proud to say even though my Great Great Grandfather was not born in America, he had more loyalty to this country than Lee did during that difficult hour.

There is a big distinction between honoring the individual soldiers, many of whom were following their conscience and sense of loyalty, and honoring the entire monstrous ideology of the Confederacy.

284 Eventual Carrion  Feb 23, 2015 1:56:50pm

re: #263 Lidane

The human body, how the fuck does it work?

[Embedded content]

*facepalm*

Female body especially in this case. Seeing as neither female waste evacuation orifices intertwine with the baby holding/exit orifice.

285 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 1:57:48pm

The painting is called St. Dominic explains to the Albigensian heretics about to be burned alive how he is very different from ISIS.

286 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 1:59:09pm

re: #284 Eventual Carrion

Female body especially in this case. Seeing as neither female waste evacuation orifices intertwine with the baby holding/exit orifice.

Perhaps he’s under the impression that humans have a cloaca?

287 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2015 2:00:06pm

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a big distinction between honoring the individual soldiers, many of whom were following their conscience and sense of loyalty, and honoring the entire monstrous ideology of the Confederacy.

My own view is somewhat harsher.

288 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 23, 2015 2:00:13pm

A saint or an animal abuser? We report, you decide!

289 Eventual Carrion  Feb 23, 2015 2:01:05pm

re: #286 Blind Frog Belly White

Perhaps he’s under the impression that humans have a cloaca?

Dr. Zoidberg does.

290 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 23, 2015 2:04:07pm

re: #285 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The painting is called St. Dominic explains to the Albigensian heretics about to be burned alive how he is very different from ISIS.

[Embedded content]

this certainly is a very albigensian-friendly blog

291 Archangelus  Feb 23, 2015 2:41:41pm

re: #280 Lidane

Because the GOP wants this story to keep going. Really.

[Embedded content]

And yet Obama’s been doing a better job at defending the US from terrorism without that so-called “fervor” than Dubya the Lesser ever did….


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